Speaker 1: It's nice eyes with Ray.
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Speaker 2: thanks a lot, buddy, appreciate it. Boston College with the
Speaker 2: upset of a Florida state. I just quick sports thing
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Speaker 2: I thought he kind of got a raw deal with
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Speaker 2: got a good guy and I'm glad they got to win. Okay,
Speaker 2: welcome back to Night's that. I'm Gary Tangoy filling in
Speaker 2: for Dan ray tonight. Elizabeth Crane is our guest that
Speaker 2: she is a psychotherapist from usc and the reason we're
Speaker 2: talking to Elizabeth here, he's a Celeste Hedley wrote an
Speaker 2: article on HUFFI did post six common phrases that you
Speaker 2: may not realize are condescending, and Elizabeth took part in
Speaker 2: the article. And I find this. I find this fascinating.
Speaker 2: I think it's it's just hilarious because we see it
Speaker 2: every read day. And let's bring Elizabeth right now. Thank
Speaker 2: you for joining us on WBC's Night Side.
Speaker 3: Hi there, Kenny for having me.
Speaker 2: I appreciate that. Before we get through the six phrases
Speaker 2: the condescending terms, this just popped into my head. Do
Speaker 2: you think it's equal with both sexes? Do you think
Speaker 2: men and women both use the same condescending terms, but
Speaker 2: men would be condescending in a different way, maybe a
Speaker 2: more physical way, you know what I do.
Speaker 3: I think it's equal opportunity when it comes to condescension.
Speaker 3: But I do think that for example, in the article
Speaker 3: we talk about man explaining, obviously that's men towards women
Speaker 3: that you know, I think women can be condescending too.
Speaker 3: It goes both ways.
Speaker 2: But I'm just thinking, like, for example, like one of
Speaker 2: the phrases, which is, oh, how cute? Right, condescending phrase
Speaker 2: number one, Oh how cute? And I can't you know,
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to say, like how my buddies or
Speaker 2: I would handle something like that. We do it in
Speaker 2: our own different way, whether it would be on the
Speaker 2: golf course or the basketball, and not even a joking way.
Speaker 2: If you say, like how cute, that's a dagger. That's
Speaker 2: not needling, that's a freaking dagger. So I think for
Speaker 2: a guy, if you're playing basketball. It'd be like an
Speaker 2: elbow below the belt, you know what I mean, I'm serious, right, well, yeah,
Speaker 2: but you know, women women will guys would you know,
Speaker 2: be jerks and women will boom man, they'll cut like
Speaker 2: a knife.
Speaker 3: But like, oh, how you know some of this is
Speaker 3: you know a little backhanded you know, compliment with a
Speaker 3: little zinger attached.
Speaker 2: Right, oh, if there's a compliment at all, really, I
Speaker 2: mean to me, you know like that it's it's as
Speaker 2: a zinger disguised as a compliment.
Speaker 3: That's cute. You know some women might like it, I
Speaker 3: don't know. Men definitely would not.
Speaker 2: Right, So yeah, then then the other one is and
Speaker 2: a lot of it has to do with the tone,
Speaker 2: you know, with the tone like I, oh god, my
Speaker 2: one of my best friends wants his girlfriend and my
Speaker 2: girlfriend did not get along, and it was just all
Speaker 2: the tone, like I can hear one of them say
Speaker 2: to the other one, well actually right, like well I
Speaker 2: can totally see, like, well, actually my car is better
Speaker 2: than your car. Well actually I'm prettier than you are.
Speaker 2: I mean that's just like such a correction, like well,
Speaker 2: actually your nose is bigger than my nose. I mean whatever, right, And.
Speaker 3: It's like you don't even need to know what they're saying.
Speaker 3: The tone gives it all away. The condescension is right.
Speaker 2: There, right, Yeah, it's totally see. Like I've always said this.
Speaker 2: You know, women, men, I don't know. Do you think
Speaker 2: do you think this is true? Or do you think
Speaker 2: this is a misnomer. Women hold grudges, men don't.
Speaker 3: Oh, that is correct. I mean, I would say across
Speaker 3: the board, I'm sure some men hold grudges, but that
Speaker 3: is a female trait predominantly. I would say, yeah, it's
Speaker 3: it's for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because my wife, Yeah, my wife has a couple.
Speaker 2: That's just they're never going away. I mean it's not
Speaker 2: it's to the end of time. It's just never. They
Speaker 2: like I can try to explain it, I can try
Speaker 2: to tuckle off the ledge, and it's just not happening.
Speaker 2: It's just not gonna happen.
Speaker 3: I think everyone women, you know, don't want to let
Speaker 3: it go, right. It's you know, they like to hold
Speaker 3: on to things and ruminate and then revisit them down
Speaker 3: the road.
Speaker 2: Oh, don't worry, they're in storage. They're in storage. This
Speaker 2: one's tough. The next one is is tough because I
Speaker 2: say it as a parent, and when I say it
Speaker 2: as a parent, like I have I have three kids,
Speaker 2: and they're all, oh my god, they're all so different.
Speaker 2: If I said this to my third one, my youngest,
Speaker 2: who is extremely competitive in academics and sports, does not
Speaker 2: like to lose, does not handle losing well. If I
Speaker 2: in the car after a lacrosse game and if they
Speaker 2: lost by a goal or two goals, and if I
Speaker 2: say you're you tried your best, her head will go
Speaker 2: three sixty and I would be like, she would evaporate
Speaker 2: me in a minute. Like if you say that to
Speaker 2: a kid, you're trying your best, that's like they think
Speaker 2: you're talking to you're talking down to them, even insulting that.
Speaker 3: I think after two most of us can lose that phrase.
Speaker 3: You know, that's really for toddlers. And then you know,
Speaker 3: once we can carry on with you tried your best. Uh,
Speaker 3: you know that's that's where the condescension kicks in.
Speaker 2: I made a mistake.
Speaker 3: Why your team doesn't like it?
Speaker 2: And I get it, you know, but I've said that
Speaker 2: like you're trying, Like, oh, well, you know you tried,
Speaker 2: you gave it to your college, try, you tried your best.
Speaker 2: Dad shut up. You know, you're like, okay, all.
Speaker 3: Right, those about saying yeah, you tried your best, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: You just you tried your best condescending lines. That is
Speaker 2: the topic right here with Elizabeth Crane, psychotherapist from usc UH.
Speaker 2: I don't know about this one. This next one was
Speaker 2: you just need to what's so bad about that? Like
Speaker 2: you just need to? I think it depends what follows,
Speaker 2: like you just need to grow up? You just need to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there's an absolute on that one. Right
Speaker 3: instead of saying maybe you should try it this way,
Speaker 3: you need to or you must, sort of telling someone
Speaker 3: how to live their life.
Speaker 2: What do you think is it what causes somebody to
Speaker 2: use these to use this language?
Speaker 3: You know, it's an interesting phenomenon. I think some people
Speaker 3: are condescending. It's part of their personality. It's just like
Speaker 3: a personality trait. And then you see some people where
Speaker 3: it's a reaction to an emotional state. So if they're
Speaker 3: under stressed, or they're having a bad day, or they're frustrated,
Speaker 3: then all of a sudden, that reaction can be condescension
Speaker 3: and you'll start to see it, like out in the world,
Speaker 3: people get snappy at the barista you know, ordering a
Speaker 3: coffee or whatever because they've had a bad day. So
Speaker 3: you know, it varies, and some people are just in
Speaker 3: sort of inherence in their maybe their upbringing, they had
Speaker 3: a condescending parent, they just picked up on that trait
Speaker 3: and then they carry it into their adulthood.
Speaker 2: Well, I think if somebody consistently, you know, would you
Speaker 2: this is my kids watch all the high school musicals one, two,
Speaker 2: and three. I don't know if you're familiar with them to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I've seen the first couple.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, Well if if you, if you have
Speaker 2: kids at a certain age, you've seen all three like
Speaker 2: fifty million times. And there's like this this character shar Pei,
Speaker 2: you know, and that's all. She's completely condescending, just complete.
Speaker 2: It can almost at times, it can almost be funny.
Speaker 2: But if someone is consistently condescending, it's obviously a USU
Speaker 2: inferiority complex.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and people get annoyed with it, you know, it's
Speaker 3: it becomes really I wouldn't say anyone finds it to
Speaker 3: be a positive. You know, in a character trait of somebody,
Speaker 3: it can get really exhausting. So I would say nine
Speaker 3: times out of ten, though, people don't realize they're being condescending,
Speaker 3: which is sort of an interesting phenomenon as well.
Speaker 2: That's true too, some self.
Speaker 3: Awareness should know is beneficial when that is a problem.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I've sometimes with sarcasm, I'm maybe a little sometimes
Speaker 2: I'm a little slow to the take on it. I
Speaker 2: gotta be honest with you. One of my kids is
Speaker 2: I'm not going to say which one. They're not listening.
Speaker 2: They don't listen to me on the radio anyways. They're
Speaker 2: much too cool for that. But one of them definitely
Speaker 2: is slowing to take with sarcasm. Like sometimes I'm even
Speaker 2: like hmm, but sometimes I like, somebody will say something
Speaker 2: sarcastic and I'll go really and they go no, And
Speaker 2: then I go, well, listen, jerk, how do I know? Like,
Speaker 2: how do I know if you're being sarcastic? Sometimes you
Speaker 2: say it in such a genuine manner. Our guest is
Speaker 2: Elizabeth Kreed here, psychotherapist from usc Can you hang on
Speaker 2: through the break? I got a couple more I want to.
Speaker 3: Run by you, sure of course.
Speaker 2: Okay. Condescending phrases the top six, we're counting them down.
Speaker 2: We got number one, number two coming up next to WBZ.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 1: night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: Pleasure with the Crane's our guest from the West Coast
Speaker 2: USC psychotherapist, talking about six phrases that are condescending. All right, Elizabeth,
Speaker 2: you oh, I know, I know. Before I get to that,
Speaker 2: I wanted to jump on a topic that I'm sure
Speaker 2: you're familiar with. That We spoke earlier with our guest
Speaker 2: Michelle Deane about bullying and as a parent, I thought,
Speaker 2: I mean bullying when I was in school. I mean
Speaker 2: it happened all the time. I mean, you just done
Speaker 2: the playground whatever, It's just part of the deal. But
Speaker 2: she said, like bullying is now more rampidt than ever.
Speaker 2: I mean, in your analysis of your worker, maybe you
Speaker 2: don't have an opinion at all, do you? And I'm
Speaker 2: not even talking about online. I mean, we know online
Speaker 2: bullying is a problem, but have you seen it still
Speaker 2: one on one with kids? Is that something you're familiar with?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you're right, it's always been pervasive, right,
Speaker 3: kids in the eighties, sixty seventies, you know, they all
Speaker 3: went through it. But I think it's like a different
Speaker 3: iteration these days. The way bullying is sort of manifesting.
Speaker 3: It just seems to have there's a little more charge
Speaker 3: to it, I would say, And I think the social
Speaker 3: media component is a huge factor. You know, people are
Speaker 3: more bold behind computer screens, so that's a big piece
Speaker 3: to that's why it's more pervasive in the culture. With kids.
Speaker 2: It's brutal on a kid. I mean, look, if you
Speaker 2: have we have, I have kids, the social media, my son,
Speaker 2: my middle child, my son, he put it away. He
Speaker 2: actually put he'd put his phone away for like twelve hours,
Speaker 2: which was a pain in the butt when you wanted
Speaker 2: to try to reach him, you know, but he would
Speaker 2: just he said, I can't deal with all this ig
Speaker 2: Instagram and what everybody's saying. He hardly posted anything. I
Speaker 2: think he's a rarity. But but you're right, and so
Speaker 2: are you saying that it's led to the physical aspect
Speaker 2: of that too. That has spilled over to the physical
Speaker 2: aspect of blink because I thought, you know, the fights
Speaker 2: on the playground and the picking on kids, I thought
Speaker 2: that was kind of going away.
Speaker 3: One on one, I think it's happening through social media.
Speaker 3: But then I think there's there's that boldness factor because
Speaker 3: when you're behind the screen, you can do it, you know,
Speaker 3: recourse right exactly, and so then that creates sort of
Speaker 3: that boldness. Then you can go out in the world
Speaker 3: and do it as well, and that factor I think
Speaker 3: is different than before social media.
Speaker 2: Do you think kids are meaner to each other than
Speaker 2: they ever have been?
Speaker 3: You know, that's a great question. I don't know that
Speaker 3: I have the answer for it. I think meanness has
Speaker 3: always been there, and you know, that's just sort of
Speaker 3: earning your stripe through school. Hopefully people come out relatively unscathed.
Speaker 3: You know, it seems like there's more angst in the
Speaker 3: world these days and kids are feeling that and it's
Speaker 3: sort of permeating the culture and that that meanness factor.
Speaker 3: It seems like there's more attached to that. So maybe
Speaker 3: maybe there's more today than ever. I don't know that
Speaker 3: I have the exact answer for you.
Speaker 2: Well, it's that's okay. It's just it's a talk It's
Speaker 2: a talk show, not an answer show, so we don't
Speaker 2: worry about answers. We just talk. You know, I don't
Speaker 2: have any answers either. The anxiety is a big issue
Speaker 2: and I've totally got off topic here, but you know, whatever.
Speaker 2: The anxiety is a huge issue and from the pandemic.
Speaker 2: I know with my kids who go to public school.
Speaker 2: You know, when you send your room for a year
Speaker 2: on and off, and you know you're trying to learn
Speaker 2: on a screen. It it's brutal because I think, you know,
Speaker 2: speaking from experience as a parent where I had, you know,
Speaker 2: a child missed the freshman year of high school. That's
Speaker 2: a big year, man, that's a big year. And having
Speaker 2: to do classes from inside your house your freshman year
Speaker 2: of high school. I think that that was detrimental to
Speaker 2: kids big time because I look at like my freshman year,
Speaker 2: I remember Richard Welch, you know, picked on me, you know,
Speaker 2: the senior football player Mexico High School, or you know
Speaker 2: some guys that you know standing in you know, you
Speaker 2: go through all of those rights of passage or whatever
Speaker 2: that you deal with, and that that group didn't have it.
Speaker 2: And I'm telling you it was it was brutal. But
Speaker 2: I digress. You know, I don't know if we'll ever
Speaker 2: recover from it, but I think that that caused a
Speaker 2: great amount of anxiety too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with you. I think a lot of
Speaker 3: people lost adversity. I call it like adverse city stripes
Speaker 3: you go through you know, you're talking about freshman year.
Speaker 3: That's such a formative year entering high school and to
Speaker 3: not have had that experience, you have to wonder where
Speaker 3: the gap lives, you know, in a person, and what
Speaker 3: the recourse is from all of that.
Speaker 2: Elizabeth is that is a great point adversity stripes. That
Speaker 2: is outstanding. I've never heard that term, but that is
Speaker 2: you nailed it. You absolutely nailed it. Yeah, and that's
Speaker 2: that it doesn't you know. And then you get into
Speaker 2: the you know, it's reading an article the other day
Speaker 2: where you know, one in six parents are showing up
Speaker 2: a job interviews with their kids. I'm like, this is
Speaker 2: out of control. I mean, this is crazy, this is
Speaker 2: this is yeah, this is out of control. And then
Speaker 2: it's my whole theory about parents look at their kids
Speaker 2: as trophies and their success to their kid is a
Speaker 2: reflection on them, which I keep telling people is a
Speaker 2: bunch of crap, because your kid is a different person.
Speaker 2: It's an individual. It's not you. Yes, you brought them
Speaker 2: into the world, but it's not you. You know, it's
Speaker 2: not it's just not exactly.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's where the narcissistic parents sort of kicks
Speaker 3: in when they can't differentiate between themsells them their child.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of them, man, there's a lot of them.
Speaker 2: I think that's I think there are what you just
Speaker 2: described as a narcissistic parent. I think there's more of
Speaker 2: them now than ever ever, you know.
Speaker 3: And that's what's going on with that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think it's just well, it's in the
Speaker 2: world I live in though too. You know where you know,
Speaker 2: I live in a nice town, you know, you know,
Speaker 2: you know, people we're fortunate, you know, what can I
Speaker 2: tell you? And then I think that people, you know,
Speaker 2: keep score. That's what I think. That's the problem. I
Speaker 2: think people keep score that.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Where I grew up, you know, in Maine, we had
Speaker 2: a used car. We had one car. I tell my
Speaker 2: kids we had one car and it was used and
Speaker 2: now people like to say previously owned because it sounds better.
Speaker 2: But my dad would go to the mill at work
Speaker 2: with the car. We didn't have a car at home,
Speaker 2: and people, oh my god, how did you survive? You
Speaker 2: know what we did? We actually did? We did okay,
Speaker 2: all right?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and your parents would probably never take you to
Speaker 3: a job interview right walk you and there.
Speaker 2: They would never take me to a job interview. That
Speaker 2: would not happen. No, you know, that would not happen.
Speaker 2: As a matter of fact. My dad was a mill worker.
Speaker 2: So I went in. I lied to them. When I
Speaker 2: went to college, a lot of the kids came back
Speaker 2: and worked in the summer, and they put in their
Speaker 2: application to work in the summer. And I wanted to
Speaker 2: work in radio, and I lied and said I put
Speaker 2: in my application and I didn't. They didn't call me,
Speaker 2: but I didn't put in my application to go into
Speaker 2: the middle, and I left, and you know, fifty years later,
Speaker 2: here I am all right, Elizabeth Lesser, how about this one.
Speaker 2: It's not that big of a deal. Now, When my
Speaker 2: wife says that in a certain tone, I know I
Speaker 2: am screwed.
Speaker 3: So you're not acknowledging her feelings.
Speaker 2: That's it that it's not that bad. And my daughter too,
Speaker 2: it's not that big of a deal.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I mean, that's the gender difference right there.
Speaker 3: I mean, write that phrase right there, because to women
Speaker 3: it is a big deal a lot of the time,
Speaker 3: and to men it's not. And so there's a barrier.
Speaker 3: And so men, maybe you need to try to bring
Speaker 3: in a little bit of a sensitivity chip.
Speaker 2: If they said, yeah, if that's true, if they say
Speaker 2: it's not a big deal, it's a big freaking deal, period,
Speaker 2: it's a big and then this one, this one is
Speaker 2: the worst. This is number one on the hit list,
Speaker 2: because when I'm told this, it's basically saying I'm stupid.
Speaker 2: You wouldn't understand. Ouch, that's you wouldn't understand. Okay, I'm
Speaker 2: just a dummy, I'm just an egghead. I wouldn't understand.
Speaker 2: And that's what I get pissed. If I hear that.
Speaker 2: That's that starts a fight. Then I go, you wouldn't understand.
Speaker 2: I go, okay, try me, you know, and then it
Speaker 2: just goes downhill from me. It's just it's just.
Speaker 3: That one came after the one before where you said
Speaker 3: you just need.
Speaker 2: To get over it, right, right, it's not that hand those.
Speaker 3: Yeah a deal, right, And then you wouldn't understand.
Speaker 2: No, that's true. That's true. You wouldn't understand, and you
Speaker 2: wouldn't understand. Well, Elizabeth, you've been a great guest. I
Speaker 2: appreciate you coming on. I don't know if there's a
Speaker 2: afraid this was fun it's fun. Good way to end
Speaker 2: the night. So Elizabeth Crane, psychotherapist, usc enjoy the Left Coast.
Speaker 2: Thank you, all right, take care. We'll talk to you again.
Speaker 2: H WBC's Knightside Gary Tangway filling in for Dan Ray tonight.
Speaker 2: I'll run down the list again here in case you
Speaker 2: guys missed it. Uh condescending terms that initially appeared to
Speaker 2: be flattering comments. Oh how cute, oh how oh, oh
Speaker 2: how cute? Well actually, well, actually I made more money
Speaker 2: than you. Well, actually my country club's better than yours. Well,
Speaker 2: you're trying your best. It's still not very good, but
Speaker 2: you're trying your best. She's right, you should not say
Speaker 2: that to anybody above two. Elizabeth was right. You should
Speaker 2: not say to anybody above the age of two that
Speaker 2: you're trying your best, tried your best. Say that my
Speaker 2: thirteen year old, she'd cut me off at the knees.
Speaker 2: Um question. Oh, you just need to, You just need to.
Speaker 2: You just need to set up straight. You just need
Speaker 2: to listen more. It's not that big of a deal.
Speaker 2: Like I said, if your wife says that to you,
Speaker 2: it's not that big of a deal. You better hire
Speaker 2: a lawyer because it's a big deal. Or you wouldn't
Speaker 2: understand then that that is the That's like flipping me
Speaker 2: the bird. You would not understand. It's just like m
Speaker 2: You are dumb. That's it, You are dumb. All right,
Speaker 2: Gotta take a break. Here on WBZ, Gary Tankwaite feeling
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Speaker 2: It's not. People didn't think Truman was going to be
Speaker 2: any good, took over for FDR, ended World War two.
Speaker 2: You know, even the newspaper in Chicago said he didn't
Speaker 2: even win reelection. Do we did? So you just don't know.
Speaker 2: You don't know if she's elected president, you don't know
Speaker 2: who she's gonna do if Trump's elected president, because he's
Speaker 2: obviously been there, you have a pretty good idea of
Speaker 2: what's going to happen. Right, It's going to be the
Speaker 2: Donald Trump show. It's going to be his thing. It's
Speaker 2: going to be all about him. Now, I'm not saying
Speaker 2: that politicians don't have egos, and it's not about to
Speaker 2: a lesser degree, it will be not about her. If
Speaker 2: Trump gets in for another four years, it will be
Speaker 2: the Trump Show. You're really yeah, it'll be it'll it'll
Speaker 2: be the Donald Trump show again. It's going to be interesting.
Speaker 2: Interest rates are going to come down, that's the plan. An,
Speaker 2: So if interest rates come down before the election, that
Speaker 2: will definitely help the Democrats. It's because I don't know,
Speaker 2: you know, it just seems to me nobody's going to
Speaker 2: change their mind at this point. If you're a Trump person,
Speaker 2: you're a Trump person. Are you going to change your mind?
Speaker 2: I suppose to it. There may have been some moderates
Speaker 2: that felt Biden was just didn't have his faculties anymore,
Speaker 2: an agent cut up with him and he couldn't do it,
Speaker 2: and that they just couldn't vote for Joe Biden, and
Speaker 2: maybe they wouldn't have voted at all. Maybe the Democrats
Speaker 2: would have lost a vote. There might have been some
Speaker 2: you know, moderate Republicans who could or independence who are
Speaker 2: going to vote for Trump because they didn't feel that
Speaker 2: Biden had the faculties to do the job, which we
Speaker 2: all wondered at. I mean, come on, you could admire
Speaker 2: the guy for what he'd done, but we but he's accomplished,
Speaker 2: but we all wondered it. You gotta be kidding me.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you don't, you're not being honest with yourself.
Speaker 2: You're just at all, You're not. So I don't I
Speaker 2: don't know how many people actually would have abandoned the
Speaker 2: Democratic Party to go vote for Trump. Maybe some people
Speaker 2: with a lot of money, some very rich Democrats who
Speaker 2: felt maybe tax wise, Donald would have been better for them.
Speaker 2: But I don't know if that would have been the case.
Speaker 2: I mean, Trump's just out for himself. I mean, he
Speaker 2: is the guy, you know, he's out for whatever gets
Speaker 2: Donald be in. And it's a big ego stroke man,
Speaker 2: and Maga gives it to him, a big ego stroke,
Speaker 2: because if he wanted what was best for the country,
Speaker 2: he wouldn't have held up the border issue, and like
Speaker 2: I said before tonight, the border issue, I don't know
Speaker 2: if politicians wanted to go away. You can't tell me
Speaker 2: that they can't do a better job than this. I
Speaker 2: don't know if they use it as bait as a
Speaker 2: negotiating tool for dealing with the other party. I don't
Speaker 2: know why this has gone on so long. Doesn't make
Speaker 2: any sense to me. People will say it's too big,
Speaker 2: it's not fixable. I don't believe that, like it's not
Speaker 2: going to happen overnight, but I don't believe it's not fixable.
Speaker 2: I don't believe that you can't now. I believe that
Speaker 2: there could be a system. It's yes. I don't know
Speaker 2: if you want to privatize it, you would probably want
Speaker 2: to keep it part of the federal government. I don't
Speaker 2: know if you want to privatize border control, that could
Speaker 2: be an issue. This could be some conflicts of interest there.
Speaker 2: But I think I just think it's a cop out
Speaker 2: by both parties. I just think it's a cop out.
Speaker 2: And I don't think that the answer is taking families
Speaker 2: and separating them. If a family comes across the border
Speaker 2: from another country and they want to sil them in
Speaker 2: the UX and they want a better life for themselves.
Speaker 2: I don't think the answer is taking a mother and
Speaker 2: a father and putting them in one hold up and
Speaker 2: taking the kids and putting them in another. I don't.
Speaker 2: I think that's in humane. I think it's in humane,
Speaker 2: but it should be. We can do it. We just
Speaker 2: don't want to do it. We want to use it
Speaker 2: as a political plank, and we were almost there. At
Speaker 2: least we were heading in the right direction. I'm not
Speaker 2: saying it would have solved all the problems, but they
Speaker 2: had a bipartisan agreement and Trump didn't want to deal
Speaker 2: with it. Actually, I need to check that he didn't
Speaker 2: want it to pass because he wanted to use it
Speaker 2: for his own political purposes. Do I know who's going
Speaker 2: to ruin the presidential race. I think Kamala Harris is
Speaker 2: going to win by a smidge because I think the
Speaker 2: brats are going to be the difference. I don't think
Speaker 2: Trump has lost any voters, but I don't think he's
Speaker 2: gained any voters, and the Democrats I think have gained voters.
Speaker 2: I think it's the younger people. I think it's the
Speaker 2: eighteen plus, the people who would not vote that will vote,
Speaker 2: and they don't know what Harris stands for. I shouldn't.
Speaker 2: I shouldn't say that some do and some don't. And
Speaker 2: I shouldn't even say that as an age issue. There
Speaker 2: are fifty year old people that vote and they don't
Speaker 2: know the issues and they just cast a ballot because
Speaker 2: they like somebody. And there are people that are eighteen
Speaker 2: years old. Let's say, you know what, I like the
Speaker 2: brad movement, so I'm going to vote for Kamala Harris,
Speaker 2: and I don't like Donald Trump because he's just an old,
Speaker 2: rich grouch. So I shouldn't say that that's limited to
Speaker 2: just one age group. I think that happens all over
Speaker 2: the place. But I think that's what's going to happen
Speaker 2: with Aras and I think the important thing is to
Speaker 2: surround her with a great staff. And she's a very
Speaker 2: smart woman. Come on, she's a smart woman. You don't
Speaker 2: district you don't be a district attorney and do the
Speaker 2: things that she's done. She's no dummy. But like I
Speaker 2: said earlier tonight, based on what I saw in her
Speaker 2: interview with CNN, she just needs to be a little
Speaker 2: more deliberate and speak with a little more clarity when
Speaker 2: she makes a statement like when Trump, when Trump says
Speaker 2: something as crazy as it may be, this is for it.
Speaker 2: This is an example exemplary purposes only. This is not
Speaker 2: this is I'm not quoting Donald Trump. The moon is
Speaker 2: made of cheese. Trump would say the moon is made
Speaker 2: of cheese. Right now, Harris is saying, well, the moon,
Speaker 2: you know, they say, is made of cheese. You gotta
Speaker 2: hammer it. You got to hammer it. Say it with confidence.
Speaker 2: Repeat after me, the mood is made of cheese. We'll
Speaker 2: put that on a WBZ t shirt. All right, We're
Speaker 2: gonna wrap up the show. Gary tagwave for Dan Ray
Speaker 2: here on night's side all week long. Final words are
Speaker 2: coming up after this on WZ Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray mine from the Window World
Speaker 1: night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: All right, Gary Tag, we finishing things out for Dan
Speaker 2: tonight on this Labor Day. I hope you guys had
Speaker 2: a good, safe, long weekend. Back to the grind tomorrow
Speaker 2: and I'm here all week so they have it. You've
Speaker 2: been warned. Interesting idea because it's under their ideas. Written
Speaker 2: by Mark Shanahan on the Boston Globe, writing my father's
Speaker 2: obituary with him revealed a man I never knew. You
Speaker 2: never really know your dad. You really don't. I mean,
Speaker 2: you know one aspect of him, right, but you don't
Speaker 2: really know him. I think this is an awesome idea.
Speaker 2: This is just a tremendous idea where he sits down
Speaker 2: and he learns things about by writing the obituary, learns
Speaker 2: things about his dad that he never knew. I mean
Speaker 2: I would learn things about my dad as I got older,
Speaker 2: and he would just he would never never really like
Speaker 2: volunteer atle like say I'm going to tell you my
Speaker 2: life story. I mean, Noah Tanguage just wasn't that guy.
Speaker 2: But you'd pick up bits and pieces, like he lived
Speaker 2: in Boston for a while when he was a young man,
Speaker 2: and he went to Mass at this you know, a
Speaker 2: certain church over in downtown Crossing, which because he went
Speaker 2: to Mass there when I first moved to Boston, I
Speaker 2: would go to Mass there. When my grandfather was in
Speaker 2: the hospital in Boston, he came down. He took some
Speaker 2: art courses at Harvard. I mean things that I'm like, what,
Speaker 2: becuse me? What you took art courses? I got a
Speaker 2: Harvard Night School type of thing, you know, And he
Speaker 2: really wanted to be an artist and was interested in
Speaker 2: advertising layouts, but he went back home to run for
Speaker 2: man and he decided to work in the mill. That's
Speaker 2: the biggest thing that kids don't realize is that mom
Speaker 2: and dad had dreams too. Nobody ever think they did.
Speaker 2: They had ideas, they had dreams. Perhaps they weren't as
Speaker 2: encouraged as much as we were because my parents were
Speaker 2: children of the depression and came out of World War
Speaker 2: two and get a job, start a family. That's what
Speaker 2: you did, you know. Now, as parents, I think we're
Speaker 2: certainly more open to our kids having big ideas and
Speaker 2: pursuing dreams, some more than others. I mean to me,
Speaker 2: that's you got to pursue your dream I mean, other
Speaker 2: than that was the point. What are you doing here?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: Why bother? But I think it's cool because even my kids,
Speaker 2: if I like I get out my high school year,
Speaker 2: even though they laugh at the pictures, you know, I'll say,
Speaker 2: you know, there you go, take a look at it.
Speaker 2: Take a look at take a look at the old
Speaker 2: man there problem ah and had light blue tucks with
Speaker 2: a very wide lapel and lots of ruffles. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: what was with it? In the tuxedos, all those ruffles
Speaker 2: ish no such thing as a clean look back at
Speaker 2: the old prom at Mexico High School in nineteen eighty
Speaker 2: one or nineteen eighty two. Good God, But there are
Speaker 2: moments when you learned that your parents could be cool too,
Speaker 2: Like I would learn that, like my you know, my
Speaker 2: mom was a nurse, and when she was a nurse
Speaker 2: in the in the fifties and sixties, you didn't have
Speaker 2: to she could be a anesthesiologist. You didn't have to
Speaker 2: be a doctor to do that. So she would handle
Speaker 2: the anesthesia also asist and the surgeries and so forth.
Speaker 2: And everybody in my town would say, your mom was
Speaker 2: there when my kids were born, and I made feel
Speaker 2: go was proud, you know, I was proud of that fact.
Speaker 2: It's kind of cool when kids see something about their
Speaker 2: parents that's cool, because they don't, I mean, they really don't,
Speaker 2: you know. They they're like, no, you know, my dad
Speaker 2: was a very good artist, and I would you know,
Speaker 2: now I've been able to keep some things that he
Speaker 2: could draw, And I'm like, what what do you mean
Speaker 2: You didn't you mean your goal wasn't to work in
Speaker 2: the paper mill all your life, which is a fine
Speaker 2: believe me, made a fine living, Don't get me wrong,
Speaker 2: but yeah, your parents had dreams too, and some of
Speaker 2: them pursued them and some of them fulfilled them. Like me,
Speaker 2: I'm very lucky, very very lucky. So read that in
Speaker 2: the Boston Globe and the Ideas section. Mark Shanahan writing
Speaker 2: his father's obituary with him, and he learned a number
Speaker 2: of things that he never knew. Coming up on Thursday
Speaker 2: Show at nine o'clock, a friend of mine, Ben Selkoe,
Speaker 2: is going to join us. He's a great documentarian. He
Speaker 2: did he was a producer on the Mary Tyler Moore documentary.
Speaker 2: If you haven't seen it, it's on Hulu. It's great.
Speaker 2: It is great. And he's got a documentary out on
Speaker 2: Hulu and National Geo called The Killer Lies, and it's
Speaker 2: going to be really good. It's about it's a guy
Speaker 2: who's writing these stories about following serial killers and there
Speaker 2: are no serial killers and he's making it all up.
Speaker 2: So there you have it. So we'll talk to bet
Speaker 2: about that. I got the MTM documentary really good. If
Speaker 2: you haven't seen, I mean, if you grew up watching
Speaker 2: the Mary Tyler Moore Show like me, which to me
Speaker 2: was that's one of the greatest television shows in history.
Speaker 2: James L. Brooks less the great James L. Brooks. Well,
Speaker 2: I had a chance to work with The Spring down
Speaker 2: in Providence, which is a real thrill, along with Albert Brooks.
Speaker 2: You know, we talked Albert Brooks and Jamie Lee Curtis,
Speaker 2: and you know, I was talking to Chris Pappas earlier
Speaker 2: as a producer writer. He was talking about how like
Speaker 2: people like Danny McBride and Adam Sandler, they just work
Speaker 2: really hard. It's like it was on the set with
Speaker 2: Albert Brooks for a movie that's coming out. I think
Speaker 2: it'll be on next year. And I mean, Albert Brooks
Speaker 2: has nothing to prove. He's one of the great comedians
Speaker 2: of all time. He's a legend. And he worked and
Speaker 2: worked to get this scene right. And I know acting
Speaker 2: is not physical labor. I understand everybody is a trailer.
Speaker 2: It's a good life to make a good living. So
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that, but Sky worked for hours on
Speaker 2: this one scene just to get it right. Kept talking
Speaker 2: with James Brooks back and forth of Jimmie Lee Curtis too,
Speaker 2: like they don't just show up read the lines and leave.
Speaker 2: They'll stay there for hours to get it right. So
Speaker 2: there as my parents, as my dad would say, there
Speaker 2: are no shortcuts for success. You gotta have hard work,
Speaker 2: all right. Coming up on the show tomorrow night, Chris Bauer,
Speaker 2: as I mentioned, terrific actor. Check out Heels on Stars.
Speaker 2: My Boy of Maalle is running at vic Levin's on
Speaker 2: there and at Chris Bauer is a great role and
Speaker 2: it's terrific, terrific actors on that. And then on Wednesday,
Speaker 2: Casey Sherman is going to be joining us. Casey Sherman's
Speaker 2: get some great books coming out also as a terrific
Speaker 2: article in Boston Magazine about an innocent man still imprisoned.
Speaker 2: John Powers, the legend great John Powers from the Boston Globe.
Speaker 2: This guy, he was there when Zeus started the Olympics.
Speaker 2: John Powers was there at the first Olympic Games, saw
Speaker 2: the first torchlit. He has covered so many Olympic Games
Speaker 2: for the Boston Globe. He is one of the great writers.
Speaker 2: And quite often, you know, when you think of the Globe,
Speaker 2: you think of like Bob Bryan, who I do a
Speaker 2: podcast with. You think of Dan Shaughnessy, you think of
Speaker 2: Peter Gammons. You think of the late great Nick Cavardo,
Speaker 2: Jackie McMullen, the late great Will McDonough. John Powers is
Speaker 2: right there with him. He is on the mount Rushmore
Speaker 2: of sports writers period. I mean in Boston. Is not
Speaker 2: enough room in the mountain. There's too so many in Boston.
Speaker 2: Toy Champagne, my buddy joins us on Wednesday too. It's
Speaker 2: gonna be interesting because he has a documentary I don't
Speaker 2: know if you've seen it yet on ESPN plus The
Speaker 2: Rhythm of Sports, The Rhythm of Sports with Mickey Hart
Speaker 2: The Grateful Dead, relating the rhythm of music and the
Speaker 2: rhythm of sports together. It's a little out there, man,
Speaker 2: but it is a fun watch. Let me tell you
Speaker 2: that right now. It is a fun watch. I gotta go.
Speaker 2: I think I've gone long. Thank you very much. No,
Speaker 2: you did a great job, Karen. Thank you very much
Speaker 2: as well for all the help tonight. I'll be back
Speaker 2: tomorrow night at eight o'clock right here on WBZ.