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<v Speaker 1>It's nice eyes with Ray.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doing you easy Boston's News Radio. All right, Al,

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<v Speaker 2>thanks a lot, buddy, appreciate it. Boston College with the

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<v Speaker 2>upset of a Florida state. I just quick sports thing

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<v Speaker 2>I have, Dude, he had some big shoes to fill

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<v Speaker 2>den in Foxborough when he took over for Josh uh.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought he kind of got a raw deal with

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<v Speaker 2>the Texans. I think there's been some family situations he's

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<v Speaker 2>had to deal with. And good for BC because they

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<v Speaker 2>got a good guy and I'm glad they got to win. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>welcome back to Night's that. I'm Gary Tangoy filling in

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<v Speaker 2>for Dan ray tonight. Elizabeth Crane is our guest that

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<v Speaker 2>she is a psychotherapist from usc and the reason we're

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<v Speaker 2>talking to Elizabeth here, he's a Celeste Hedley wrote an

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<v Speaker 2>article on HUFFI did post six common phrases that you

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<v Speaker 2>may not realize are condescending, and Elizabeth took part in

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<v Speaker 2>the article. And I find this. I find this fascinating.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's it's just hilarious because we see it

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<v Speaker 2>every read day. And let's bring Elizabeth right now. Thank

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<v Speaker 2>you for joining us on WBC's Night Side.

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<v Speaker 3>Hi there, Kenny for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate that. Before we get through the six phrases

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<v Speaker 2>the condescending terms, this just popped into my head. Do

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<v Speaker 2>you think it's equal with both sexes? Do you think

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<v Speaker 2>men and women both use the same condescending terms, but

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<v Speaker 2>men would be condescending in a different way, maybe a

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<v Speaker 2>more physical way, you know what I do.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's equal opportunity when it comes to condescension.

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<v Speaker 3>But I do think that for example, in the article

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<v Speaker 3>we talk about man explaining, obviously that's men towards women

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<v Speaker 3>that you know, I think women can be condescending too.

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<v Speaker 3>It goes both ways.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm just thinking, like, for example, like one of

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<v Speaker 2>the phrases, which is, oh, how cute? Right, condescending phrase

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<v Speaker 2>number one, Oh how cute? And I can't you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just trying to say, like how my buddies or

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<v Speaker 2>I would handle something like that. We do it in

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<v Speaker 2>our own different way, whether it would be on the

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<v Speaker 2>golf course or the basketball, and not even a joking way.

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<v Speaker 2>If you say, like how cute, that's a dagger. That's

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<v Speaker 2>not needling, that's a freaking dagger. So I think for

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<v Speaker 2>a guy, if you're playing basketball. It'd be like an

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<v Speaker 2>elbow below the belt, you know what I mean, I'm serious, right, well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know, women women will guys would you know,

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<v Speaker 2>be jerks and women will boom man, they'll cut like

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<v Speaker 2>a knife.

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<v Speaker 3>But like, oh, how you know some of this is

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<v Speaker 3>you know a little backhanded you know, compliment with a

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<v Speaker 3>little zinger attached.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, oh, if there's a compliment at all, really, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean to me, you know like that it's it's as

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<v Speaker 2>a zinger disguised as a compliment.

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<v Speaker 3>That's cute. You know some women might like it, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know. Men definitely would not.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So yeah, then then the other one is and

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of it has to do with the tone,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, with the tone like I, oh god, my

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<v Speaker 2>one of my best friends wants his girlfriend and my

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<v Speaker 2>girlfriend did not get along, and it was just all

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<v Speaker 2>the tone, like I can hear one of them say

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<v Speaker 2>to the other one, well actually right, like well I

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<v Speaker 2>can totally see, like, well, actually my car is better

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<v Speaker 2>than your car. Well actually I'm prettier than you are.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that's just like such a correction, like well,

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<v Speaker 2>actually your nose is bigger than my nose. I mean whatever, right, And.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like you don't even need to know what they're saying.

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<v Speaker 3>The tone gives it all away. The condescension is right.

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<v Speaker 2>There, right, Yeah, it's totally see. Like I've always said this.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, women, men, I don't know. Do you think

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<v Speaker 2>do you think this is true? Or do you think

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<v Speaker 2>this is a misnomer. Women hold grudges, men don't.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, that is correct. I mean, I would say across

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<v Speaker 3>the board, I'm sure some men hold grudges, but that

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<v Speaker 3>is a female trait predominantly. I would say, yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 3>it's for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because my wife, Yeah, my wife has a couple.

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<v Speaker 2>That's just they're never going away. I mean it's not

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<v Speaker 2>it's to the end of time. It's just never. They

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<v Speaker 2>like I can try to explain it, I can try

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<v Speaker 2>to tuckle off the ledge, and it's just not happening.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just not gonna happen.

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<v Speaker 3>I think everyone women, you know, don't want to let

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<v Speaker 3>it go, right. It's you know, they like to hold

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<v Speaker 3>on to things and ruminate and then revisit them down

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<v Speaker 3>the road.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, don't worry, they're in storage. They're in storage. This

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<v Speaker 2>one's tough. The next one is is tough because I

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<v Speaker 2>say it as a parent, and when I say it

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<v Speaker 2>as a parent, like I have I have three kids,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're all, oh my god, they're all so different.

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<v Speaker 2>If I said this to my third one, my youngest,

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<v Speaker 2>who is extremely competitive in academics and sports, does not

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<v Speaker 2>like to lose, does not handle losing well. If I

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<v Speaker 2>in the car after a lacrosse game and if they

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<v Speaker 2>lost by a goal or two goals, and if I

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<v Speaker 2>say you're you tried your best, her head will go

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<v Speaker 2>three sixty and I would be like, she would evaporate

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<v Speaker 2>me in a minute. Like if you say that to

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<v Speaker 2>a kid, you're trying your best, that's like they think

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<v Speaker 2>you're talking to you're talking down to them, even insulting that.

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<v Speaker 3>I think after two most of us can lose that phrase.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, that's really for toddlers. And then you know,

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<v Speaker 3>once we can carry on with you tried your best. Uh,

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<v Speaker 3>you know that's that's where the condescension kicks in.

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<v Speaker 2>I made a mistake.

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<v Speaker 3>Why your team doesn't like it?

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<v Speaker 2>And I get it, you know, but I've said that

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<v Speaker 2>like you're trying, Like, oh, well, you know you tried,

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<v Speaker 2>you gave it to your college, try, you tried your best.

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<v Speaker 2>Dad shut up. You know, you're like, okay, all.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, those about saying yeah, you tried your best, right, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>You just you tried your best condescending lines. That is

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<v Speaker 2>the topic right here with Elizabeth Crane, psychotherapist from usc UH.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know about this one. This next one was

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<v Speaker 2>you just need to what's so bad about that? Like

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<v Speaker 2>you just need to? I think it depends what follows,

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<v Speaker 2>like you just need to grow up? You just need to.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think there's an absolute on that one. Right

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<v Speaker 3>instead of saying maybe you should try it this way,

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<v Speaker 3>you need to or you must, sort of telling someone

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<v Speaker 3>how to live their life.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think is it what causes somebody to

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<v Speaker 2>use these to use this language?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it's an interesting phenomenon. I think some people

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<v Speaker 3>are condescending. It's part of their personality. It's just like

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<v Speaker 3>a personality trait. And then you see some people where

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<v Speaker 3>it's a reaction to an emotional state. So if they're

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<v Speaker 3>under stressed, or they're having a bad day, or they're frustrated,

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<v Speaker 3>then all of a sudden, that reaction can be condescension

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<v Speaker 3>and you'll start to see it, like out in the world,

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<v Speaker 3>people get snappy at the barista you know, ordering a

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<v Speaker 3>coffee or whatever because they've had a bad day. So

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<v Speaker 3>you know, it varies, and some people are just in

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<v Speaker 3>sort of inherence in their maybe their upbringing, they had

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<v Speaker 3>a condescending parent, they just picked up on that trait

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<v Speaker 3>and then they carry it into their adulthood.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think if somebody consistently, you know, would you

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<v Speaker 2>this is my kids watch all the high school musicals one, two,

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<v Speaker 2>and three. I don't know if you're familiar with them to.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think I've seen the first couple.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, all right, Well if if you, if you have

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<v Speaker 2>kids at a certain age, you've seen all three like

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<v Speaker 2>fifty million times. And there's like this this character shar Pei,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and that's all. She's completely condescending, just complete.

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<v Speaker 2>It can almost at times, it can almost be funny.

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<v Speaker 2>But if someone is consistently condescending, it's obviously a USU

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<v Speaker 2>inferiority complex.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and people get annoyed with it, you know, it's

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<v Speaker 3>it becomes really I wouldn't say anyone finds it to

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<v Speaker 3>be a positive. You know, in a character trait of somebody,

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<v Speaker 3>it can get really exhausting. So I would say nine

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<v Speaker 3>times out of ten, though, people don't realize they're being condescending,

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<v Speaker 3>which is sort of an interesting phenomenon as well.

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<v Speaker 2>That's true too, some self.

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<v Speaker 3>Awareness should know is beneficial when that is a problem.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes I've sometimes with sarcasm, I'm maybe a little sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a little slow to the take on it. I

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<v Speaker 2>gotta be honest with you. One of my kids is

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to say which one. They're not listening.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't listen to me on the radio anyways. They're

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<v Speaker 2>much too cool for that. But one of them definitely

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<v Speaker 2>is slowing to take with sarcasm. Like sometimes I'm even

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<v Speaker 2>like hmm, but sometimes I like, somebody will say something

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<v Speaker 2>sarcastic and I'll go really and they go no, And

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<v Speaker 2>then I go, well, listen, jerk, how do I know? Like,

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<v Speaker 2>how do I know if you're being sarcastic? Sometimes you

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<v Speaker 2>say it in such a genuine manner. Our guest is

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<v Speaker 2>Elizabeth Kreed here, psychotherapist from usc Can you hang on

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<v Speaker 2>through the break? I got a couple more I want to.

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<v Speaker 3>Run by you, sure of course.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. Condescending phrases the top six, we're counting them down.

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<v Speaker 2>We got number one, number two coming up next to WBZ.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World

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<v Speaker 1>night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Pleasure with the Crane's our guest from the West Coast

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<v Speaker 2>USC psychotherapist, talking about six phrases that are condescending. All right, Elizabeth,

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<v Speaker 2>you oh, I know, I know. Before I get to that,

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to jump on a topic that I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>you're familiar with. That We spoke earlier with our guest

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<v Speaker 2>Michelle Deane about bullying and as a parent, I thought,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean bullying when I was in school. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>it happened all the time. I mean, you just done

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<v Speaker 2>the playground whatever, It's just part of the deal. But

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<v Speaker 2>she said, like bullying is now more rampidt than ever.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, in your analysis of your worker, maybe you

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<v Speaker 2>don't have an opinion at all, do you? And I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not even talking about online. I mean, we know online

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<v Speaker 2>bullying is a problem, but have you seen it still

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<v Speaker 2>one on one with kids? Is that something you're familiar with?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean you're right, it's always been pervasive, right,

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<v Speaker 3>kids in the eighties, sixty seventies, you know, they all

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<v Speaker 3>went through it. But I think it's like a different

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<v Speaker 3>iteration these days. The way bullying is sort of manifesting.

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<v Speaker 3>It just seems to have there's a little more charge

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<v Speaker 3>to it, I would say, And I think the social

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<v Speaker 3>media component is a huge factor. You know, people are

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<v Speaker 3>more bold behind computer screens, so that's a big piece

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<v Speaker 3>to that's why it's more pervasive in the culture. With kids.

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<v Speaker 2>It's brutal on a kid. I mean, look, if you

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<v Speaker 2>my middle child, my son, he put it away. He

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<v Speaker 2>actually put he'd put his phone away for like twelve hours,

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<v Speaker 2>which was a pain in the butt when you wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to try to reach him, you know, but he would

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<v Speaker 2>just he said, I can't deal with all this ig

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<v Speaker 2>Instagram and what everybody's saying. He hardly posted anything. I

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<v Speaker 2>are you saying that it's led to the physical aspect

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think kids are meaner to each other than

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<v Speaker 3>You know, that's a great question. I don't know that

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it seems like there's more angst in the

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's that's okay. It's just it's a talk It's

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<v Speaker 2>and I've totally got off topic here, but you know, whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>The anxiety is a huge issue and from the pandemic.

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<v Speaker 2>a big year, man, that's a big year. And having

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<v Speaker 2>to do classes from inside your house your freshman year

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<v Speaker 2>the senior football player Mexico High School, or you know

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<v Speaker 2>that you deal with, and that that group didn't have it.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm telling you it was it was brutal. But

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I agree with you. I think a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>That's such a formative year entering high school and to

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<v Speaker 3>not have had that experience, you have to wonder where

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<v Speaker 2>Elizabeth is that is a great point adversity stripes. That

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<v Speaker 2>is outstanding. I've never heard that term, but that is

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<v Speaker 2>you nailed it. You absolutely nailed it. Yeah, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>that it doesn't you know. And then you get into

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<v Speaker 2>the you know, it's reading an article the other day

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<v Speaker 2>where you know, one in six parents are showing up

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<v Speaker 2>a job interviews with their kids. I'm like, this is

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<v Speaker 2>out of control. I mean, this is crazy, this is

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<v Speaker 2>it's my whole theory about parents look at their kids

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<v Speaker 2>reflection on them, which I keep telling people is a

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<v Speaker 2>It's an individual. It's not you. Yes, you brought them

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<v Speaker 2>into the world, but it's not you. You know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>not it's just not exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, that's where the narcissistic parents sort of kicks

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of them, man, there's a lot of them.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's I think there are what you just

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<v Speaker 3>And that's what's going on with that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, I think it's just well, it's in the

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<v Speaker 2>world I live in though too. You know where you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, people we're fortunate, you know, what can I

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<v Speaker 2>tell you? And then I think that people, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>keep score. That's what I think. That's the problem. I

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<v Speaker 2>think people keep score that.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>Where I grew up, you know, in Maine, we had

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<v Speaker 2>now people like to say previously owned because it sounds better.

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<v Speaker 2>But my dad would go to the mill at work

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and your parents would probably never take you to

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<v Speaker 2>They would never take me to a job interview. That

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<v Speaker 2>would not happen. No, you know, that would not happen.

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<v Speaker 2>As a matter of fact. My dad was a mill worker.

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<v Speaker 2>So I went in. I lied to them. When I

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<v Speaker 2>and worked in the summer, and they put in their

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<v Speaker 2>application to work in the summer. And I wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>but I didn't put in my application to go into

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<v Speaker 2>the middle, and I left, and you know, fifty years later,

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<v Speaker 2>here I am all right, Elizabeth Lesser, how about this one.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not that big of a deal. Now, When my

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<v Speaker 2>wife says that in a certain tone, I know I

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<v Speaker 2>am screwed.

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<v Speaker 3>So you're not acknowledging her feelings.

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<v Speaker 2>That's it that it's not that bad. And my daughter too,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not that big of a deal.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's I mean, that's the gender difference right there.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, write that phrase right there, because to women

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<v Speaker 3>it is a big deal a lot of the time,

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<v Speaker 3>and to men it's not. And so there's a barrier.

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<v Speaker 3>And so men, maybe you need to try to bring

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<v Speaker 3>in a little bit of a sensitivity chip.

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<v Speaker 2>If they said, yeah, if that's true, if they say

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<v Speaker 2>it's not a big deal, it's a big freaking deal, period,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a big and then this one, this one is

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<v Speaker 2>the worst. This is number one on the hit list,

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<v Speaker 2>because when I'm told this, it's basically saying I'm stupid.

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<v Speaker 2>You wouldn't understand. Ouch, that's you wouldn't understand. Okay, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just a dummy, I'm just an egghead. I wouldn't understand.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's what I get pissed. If I hear that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that starts a fight. Then I go, you wouldn't understand.

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<v Speaker 2>I go, okay, try me, you know, and then it

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<v Speaker 2>just goes downhill from me. It's just it's just.

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<v Speaker 3>That one came after the one before where you said

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<v Speaker 3>you just need.

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<v Speaker 2>To get over it, right, right, it's not that hand those.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah a deal, right, And then you wouldn't understand.

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<v Speaker 2>No, that's true. That's true. You wouldn't understand, and you

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't understand. Well, Elizabeth, you've been a great guest. I

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate you coming on. I don't know if there's a

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<v Speaker 2>afraid this was fun it's fun. Good way to end

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<v Speaker 2>the night. So Elizabeth Crane, psychotherapist, usc enjoy the Left Coast.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, all right, take care. We'll talk to you again.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll run down the list again here in case you

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<v Speaker 2>guys missed it. Uh condescending terms that initially appeared to

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<v Speaker 2>be flattering comments. Oh how cute, oh how oh, oh

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<v Speaker 2>how cute? Well actually, well, actually I made more money

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<v Speaker 2>than you. Well, actually my country club's better than yours. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>you're trying your best. It's still not very good, but

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<v Speaker 2>you're trying your best. She's right, you should not say

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<v Speaker 2>that to anybody above two. Elizabeth was right. You should

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<v Speaker 2>not say to anybody above the age of two that

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<v Speaker 2>you're trying your best, tried your best. Say that my

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<v Speaker 2>thirteen year old, she'd cut me off at the knees.

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<v Speaker 2>Um question. Oh, you just need to, You just need to.

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<v Speaker 2>You just need to set up straight. You just need

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<v Speaker 2>to listen more. It's not that big of a deal.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I said, if your wife says that to you,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not that big of a deal. You better hire

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<v Speaker 2>understand then that that is the That's like flipping me

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<v Speaker 2>the bird. You would not understand. It's just like m

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<v Speaker 2>You are dumb. That's it, You are dumb. All right,

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<v Speaker 2>Gotta take a break. Here on WBZ, Gary Tankwaite feeling

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<v Speaker 2>in for Dan Ray. Here on to twelve midnight on WBZ,

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<v Speaker 2>Boston's news radio. It's a night Side with Boston's news Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back, Gary Tankway feeling in for Danny. We listen,

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<v Speaker 2>we got any exciting week coming up. I'm just telling

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<v Speaker 2>you it's gonna be a good gonna be a good week, people,

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<v Speaker 2>Gonna be a good week. Tomorrow night on the show

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<v Speaker 2>on wbz's Night Side, Chris Bauer is gonna join us

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<v Speaker 2>at nine o'clock. Now you may not know the name,

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<v Speaker 2>but you'll know the voice and you know the resume.

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<v Speaker 2>This guy's been acting a long time and he's one

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<v Speaker 2>of those great character actors that when you see him,

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<v Speaker 2>He's always great. I mean, I The Wire, he was

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<v Speaker 2>watched clips with him in it, and he's fantastic. He's fantastic,

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<v Speaker 2>then in my friend Michael Mallley's show, Heals he's stealing

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<v Speaker 2>I shouldn't. I should have known this. It's been doing

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<v Speaker 2>around for that. Also, my good friend, as always Sam Metler,

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<v Speaker 2>a minute, I got a few questions. I hope he

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<v Speaker 2>has a few friends left out there in Hollywood. Interesting

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<v Speaker 2>conversation tonight with Alan Lickman, professor of history from American University.

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<v Speaker 2>Presidents who exceeded expectations, and he's got Ronald Reagan is

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<v Speaker 2>one of the three. No, he didn't say Reagan is

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<v Speaker 2>one of the three great presidents. He said, Washington and Lincoln.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, I should have written any other. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>a FDR, FDR because FDR had to come out of

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<v Speaker 2>the out of the Depression. Washington, Lincoln, Well, Washington, that

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<v Speaker 2>makes sense obviously, the Revolutionary Wars we declared our independence

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<v Speaker 2>from England, and then Lincoln because of the Civil War,

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<v Speaker 2>and then FDR, which guided America through the Great Depression.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's some other questions. You know, Ronald Reagan. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I've told you guys, I'm a registered Democrat, but I

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<v Speaker 2>vote both ways. I don't care I go across. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not going to be so crazy that I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>go to the party. I mean, I voted for Romney

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<v Speaker 2>for president the first time around, Obama the second time around.

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<v Speaker 2>But then with the way you look at the Republican

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<v Speaker 2>Party now, I mean Romney pretty much is a Democrat, sorry, Mitt,

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<v Speaker 2>but Reagan, who was considered very conservative then compared to

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<v Speaker 2>what's happening with Megan, now, forget about it. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if anybody can sit there and say that they

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<v Speaker 2>knew Obama was going to be good. I mean, we

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know. Well, that's the thing. That's my point with

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<v Speaker 2>Kamala Harris. Everybody thinks if she gets elected president based

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<v Speaker 2>on past performance as a vice president and as a

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<v Speaker 2>presidential candidate, which was a disaster for her, she was

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<v Speaker 2>out of the race before it even started, that that's

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<v Speaker 2>an indication of how she'll be as president, and it's not.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not. People didn't think Truman was going to be

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<v Speaker 2>any good, took over for FDR, ended World War two.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, even the newspaper in Chicago said he didn't

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<v Speaker 2>even win reelection. Do we did? So you just don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't know if she's elected president, you don't know

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<v Speaker 2>who she's gonna do if Trump's elected president, because he's

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<v Speaker 2>obviously been there, you have a pretty good idea of

448
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<v Speaker 2>what's going to happen. Right, It's going to be the

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump show. It's going to be his thing. It's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be all about him. Now, I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 2>that politicians don't have egos, and it's not about to

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<v Speaker 2>a lesser degree, it will be not about her. If

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<v Speaker 2>Trump gets in for another four years, it will be

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<v Speaker 2>the Trump Show. You're really yeah, it'll be it'll it'll

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<v Speaker 2>be the Donald Trump show again. It's going to be interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>Interest rates are going to come down, that's the plan. An,

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<v Speaker 2>So if interest rates come down before the election, that

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<v Speaker 2>will definitely help the Democrats. It's because I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it just seems to me nobody's going to

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<v Speaker 2>change their mind at this point. If you're a Trump person,

461
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<v Speaker 2>you're a Trump person. Are you going to change your mind?

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<v Speaker 2>I suppose to it. There may have been some moderates

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<v Speaker 2>that felt Biden was just didn't have his faculties anymore,

464
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<v Speaker 2>an agent cut up with him and he couldn't do it,

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<v Speaker 2>and that they just couldn't vote for Joe Biden, and

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<v Speaker 2>maybe they wouldn't have voted at all. Maybe the Democrats

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<v Speaker 2>would have lost a vote. There might have been some

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<v Speaker 2>you know, moderate Republicans who could or independence who are

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<v Speaker 2>going to vote for Trump because they didn't feel that

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<v Speaker 2>Biden had the faculties to do the job, which we

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<v Speaker 2>all wondered at. I mean, come on, you could admire

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<v Speaker 2>the guy for what he'd done, but we but he's accomplished,

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<v Speaker 2>but we all wondered it. You gotta be kidding me.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, if you don't, you're not being honest with yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>You're just at all, You're not. So I don't I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know how many people actually would have abandoned the

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<v Speaker 2>Democratic Party to go vote for Trump. Maybe some people

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<v Speaker 2>with a lot of money, some very rich Democrats who

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<v Speaker 2>felt maybe tax wise, Donald would have been better for them.

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<v Speaker 2>But I don't know if that would have been the case.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, Trump's just out for himself. I mean, he

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<v Speaker 2>is the guy, you know, he's out for whatever gets

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<v Speaker 2>Donald be in. And it's a big ego stroke man,

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<v Speaker 2>and Maga gives it to him, a big ego stroke,

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<v Speaker 2>because if he wanted what was best for the country,

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<v Speaker 2>he wouldn't have held up the border issue, and like

487
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<v Speaker 2>I said before tonight, the border issue, I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if politicians wanted to go away. You can't tell me

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<v Speaker 2>that they can't do a better job than this. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if they use it as bait as a

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<v Speaker 2>negotiating tool for dealing with the other party. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know why this has gone on so long. Doesn't make

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<v Speaker 2>any sense to me. People will say it's too big,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not fixable. I don't believe that, like it's not

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<v Speaker 2>going to happen overnight, but I don't believe it's not fixable.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't believe that you can't now. I believe that

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<v Speaker 2>there could be a system. It's yes. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if you want to privatize it, you would probably want

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<v Speaker 2>to keep it part of the federal government. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if you want to privatize border control, that could

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<v Speaker 2>be an issue. This could be some conflicts of interest there.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think I just think it's a cop out

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<v Speaker 2>by both parties. I just think it's a cop out.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't think that the answer is taking families

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<v Speaker 2>and separating them. If a family comes across the border

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<v Speaker 2>from another country and they want to sil them in

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<v Speaker 2>the UX and they want a better life for themselves.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think the answer is taking a mother and

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<v Speaker 2>a father and putting them in one hold up and

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<v Speaker 2>taking the kids and putting them in another. I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's in humane. I think it's in humane,

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<v Speaker 2>but it should be. We can do it. We just

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to do it. We want to use it

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<v Speaker 2>as a political plank, and we were almost there. At

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<v Speaker 2>least we were heading in the right direction. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>saying it would have solved all the problems, but they

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<v Speaker 2>had a bipartisan agreement and Trump didn't want to deal

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<v Speaker 2>with it. Actually, I need to check that he didn't

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<v Speaker 2>want it to pass because he wanted to use it

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<v Speaker 2>for his own political purposes. Do I know who's going

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<v Speaker 2>to ruin the presidential race. I think Kamala Harris is

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<v Speaker 2>going to win by a smidge because I think the

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<v Speaker 2>brats are going to be the difference. I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>Trump has lost any voters, but I don't think he's

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<v Speaker 2>gained any voters, and the Democrats I think have gained voters.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's the younger people. I think it's the

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen plus, the people who would not vote that will vote,

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<v Speaker 2>and they don't know what Harris stands for. I shouldn't.

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<v Speaker 2>I shouldn't say that some do and some don't. And

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<v Speaker 2>I shouldn't even say that as an age issue. There

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<v Speaker 2>are fifty year old people that vote and they don't

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<v Speaker 2>know the issues and they just cast a ballot because

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<v Speaker 2>they like somebody. And there are people that are eighteen

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<v Speaker 2>years old. Let's say, you know what, I like the

535
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<v Speaker 2>brad movement, so I'm going to vote for Kamala Harris,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't like Donald Trump because he's just an old,

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<v Speaker 2>rich grouch. So I shouldn't say that that's limited to

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<v Speaker 2>just one age group. I think that happens all over

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<v Speaker 2>the place. But I think that's what's going to happen

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<v Speaker 2>with Aras and I think the important thing is to

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<v Speaker 2>surround her with a great staff. And she's a very

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<v Speaker 2>smart woman. Come on, she's a smart woman. You don't

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<v Speaker 2>district you don't be a district attorney and do the

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<v Speaker 2>things that she's done. She's no dummy. But like I

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<v Speaker 2>said earlier tonight, based on what I saw in her

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<v Speaker 2>interview with CNN, she just needs to be a little

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<v Speaker 2>more deliberate and speak with a little more clarity when

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<v Speaker 2>she makes a statement like when Trump, when Trump says

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<v Speaker 2>something as crazy as it may be, this is for it.

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<v Speaker 2>This is an example exemplary purposes only. This is not

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<v Speaker 2>this is I'm not quoting Donald Trump. The moon is

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<v Speaker 2>made of cheese. Trump would say the moon is made

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<v Speaker 2>of cheese. Right now, Harris is saying, well, the moon,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, they say, is made of cheese. You gotta

555
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<v Speaker 2>hammer it. You got to hammer it. Say it with confidence.

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<v Speaker 2>Repeat after me, the mood is made of cheese. We'll

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<v Speaker 2>put that on a WBZ t shirt. All right, We're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna wrap up the show. Gary tagwave for Dan Ray

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<v Speaker 2>here on night's side all week long. Final words are

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<v Speaker 2>coming up after this on WZ Boston's news Radio.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan Ray mine from the Window World

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<v Speaker 1>night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Gary Tag, we finishing things out for Dan

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<v Speaker 2>tonight on this Labor Day. I hope you guys had

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<v Speaker 2>a good, safe, long weekend. Back to the grind tomorrow

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm here all week so they have it. You've

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<v Speaker 2>been warned. Interesting idea because it's under their ideas. Written

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<v Speaker 2>by Mark Shanahan on the Boston Globe, writing my father's

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<v Speaker 2>obituary with him revealed a man I never knew. You

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<v Speaker 2>never really know your dad. You really don't. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you know one aspect of him, right, but you don't

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<v Speaker 2>really know him. I think this is an awesome idea.

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<v Speaker 2>This is just a tremendous idea where he sits down

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<v Speaker 2>and he learns things about by writing the obituary, learns

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<v Speaker 2>things about his dad that he never knew. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>I would learn things about my dad as I got older,

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<v Speaker 2>and he would just he would never never really like

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<v Speaker 2>volunteer atle like say I'm going to tell you my

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<v Speaker 2>life story. I mean, Noah Tanguage just wasn't that guy.

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<v Speaker 2>But you'd pick up bits and pieces, like he lived

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<v Speaker 2>in Boston for a while when he was a young man,

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<v Speaker 2>and he went to Mass at this you know, a

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<v Speaker 2>certain church over in downtown Crossing, which because he went

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<v Speaker 2>to Mass there when I first moved to Boston, I

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<v Speaker 2>would go to Mass there. When my grandfather was in

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<v Speaker 2>the hospital in Boston, he came down. He took some

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<v Speaker 2>art courses at Harvard. I mean things that I'm like, what,

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<v Speaker 2>becuse me? What you took art courses? I got a

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<v Speaker 2>Harvard Night School type of thing, you know, And he

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<v Speaker 2>really wanted to be an artist and was interested in

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<v Speaker 2>advertising layouts, but he went back home to run for

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<v Speaker 2>man and he decided to work in the mill. That's

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<v Speaker 2>the biggest thing that kids don't realize is that mom

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<v Speaker 2>and dad had dreams too. Nobody ever think they did.

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<v Speaker 2>They had ideas, they had dreams. Perhaps they weren't as

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<v Speaker 2>encouraged as much as we were because my parents were

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<v Speaker 2>children of the depression and came out of World War

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<v Speaker 2>two and get a job, start a family. That's what

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<v Speaker 2>you did, you know. Now, as parents, I think we're

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<v Speaker 2>certainly more open to our kids having big ideas and

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<v Speaker 2>pursuing dreams, some more than others. I mean to me,

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<v Speaker 2>that's you got to pursue your dream I mean, other

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<v Speaker 2>than that was the point. What are you doing here?

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<v Speaker 3>You know?

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<v Speaker 2>Why bother? But I think it's cool because even my kids,

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<v Speaker 2>if I like I get out my high school year,

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<v Speaker 2>even though they laugh at the pictures, you know, I'll say,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, there you go, take a look at it.

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<v Speaker 2>Take a look at take a look at the old

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<v Speaker 2>man there problem ah and had light blue tucks with

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<v Speaker 2>a very wide lapel and lots of ruffles. Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>what was with it? In the tuxedos, all those ruffles

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<v Speaker 2>ish no such thing as a clean look back at

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<v Speaker 2>the old prom at Mexico High School in nineteen eighty

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<v Speaker 2>one or nineteen eighty two. Good God, But there are

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<v Speaker 2>moments when you learned that your parents could be cool too,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I would learn that, like my you know, my

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<v Speaker 2>mom was a nurse, and when she was a nurse

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<v Speaker 2>in the in the fifties and sixties, you didn't have

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<v Speaker 2>to she could be a anesthesiologist. You didn't have to

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<v Speaker 2>be a doctor to do that. So she would handle

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<v Speaker 2>the anesthesia also asist and the surgeries and so forth.

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<v Speaker 2>And everybody in my town would say, your mom was

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<v Speaker 2>there when my kids were born, and I made feel

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<v Speaker 2>go was proud, you know, I was proud of that fact.

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<v Speaker 2>It's kind of cool when kids see something about their

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<v Speaker 2>parents that's cool, because they don't, I mean, they really don't,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. They they're like, no, you know, my dad

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<v Speaker 2>was a very good artist, and I would you know,

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<v Speaker 2>now I've been able to keep some things that he

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<v Speaker 2>could draw, And I'm like, what what do you mean

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<v Speaker 2>You didn't you mean your goal wasn't to work in

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<v Speaker 2>the paper mill all your life, which is a fine

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<v Speaker 2>believe me, made a fine living, Don't get me wrong,

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<v Speaker 2>but yeah, your parents had dreams too, and some of

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<v Speaker 2>them pursued them and some of them fulfilled them. Like me,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm very lucky, very very lucky. So read that in

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<v Speaker 2>the Boston Globe and the Ideas section. Mark Shanahan writing

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<v Speaker 2>his father's obituary with him, and he learned a number

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<v Speaker 2>of things that he never knew. Coming up on Thursday

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<v Speaker 2>Show at nine o'clock, a friend of mine, Ben Selkoe,

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<v Speaker 2>is going to join us. He's a great documentarian. He

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<v Speaker 2>did he was a producer on the Mary Tyler Moore documentary.

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<v Speaker 2>If you haven't seen it, it's on Hulu. It's great.

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<v Speaker 2>It is great. And he's got a documentary out on

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<v Speaker 2>Hulu and National Geo called The Killer Lies, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be really good. It's about it's a guy

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<v Speaker 2>who's writing these stories about following serial killers and there

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<v Speaker 2>are no serial killers and he's making it all up.

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<v Speaker 2>So there you have it. So we'll talk to bet

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<v Speaker 2>about that. I got the MTM documentary really good. If

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<v Speaker 2>you haven't seen, I mean, if you grew up watching

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<v Speaker 2>the Mary Tyler Moore Show like me, which to me

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<v Speaker 2>was that's one of the greatest television shows in history.

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<v Speaker 2>James L. Brooks less the great James L. Brooks. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I had a chance to work with The Spring down

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<v Speaker 2>in Providence, which is a real thrill, along with Albert Brooks.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we talked Albert Brooks and Jamie Lee Curtis,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, I was talking to Chris Pappas earlier

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<v Speaker 2>as a producer writer. He was talking about how like

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<v Speaker 2>people like Danny McBride and Adam Sandler, they just work

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<v Speaker 2>really hard. It's like it was on the set with

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<v Speaker 2>Albert Brooks for a movie that's coming out. I think

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<v Speaker 2>it'll be on next year. And I mean, Albert Brooks

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<v Speaker 2>has nothing to prove. He's one of the great comedians

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<v Speaker 2>of all time. He's a legend. And he worked and

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<v Speaker 2>worked to get this scene right. And I know acting

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<v Speaker 2>is not physical labor. I understand everybody is a trailer.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a good life to make a good living. So

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying that, but Sky worked for hours on

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<v Speaker 2>this one scene just to get it right. Kept talking

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<v Speaker 2>with James Brooks back and forth of Jimmie Lee Curtis too,

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<v Speaker 2>like they don't just show up read the lines and leave.

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<v Speaker 2>They'll stay there for hours to get it right. So

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<v Speaker 2>there as my parents, as my dad would say, there

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<v Speaker 2>are no shortcuts for success. You gotta have hard work,

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<v Speaker 2>all right. Coming up on the show tomorrow night, Chris Bauer,

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<v Speaker 2>as I mentioned, terrific actor. Check out Heels on Stars.

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<v Speaker 2>My Boy of Maalle is running at vic Levin's on

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<v Speaker 2>there and at Chris Bauer is a great role and

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<v Speaker 2>it's terrific, terrific actors on that. And then on Wednesday,

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<v Speaker 2>Casey Sherman is going to be joining us. Casey Sherman's

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<v Speaker 2>get some great books coming out also as a terrific

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<v Speaker 2>article in Boston Magazine about an innocent man still imprisoned.

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<v Speaker 2>John Powers, the legend great John Powers from the Boston Globe.

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<v Speaker 2>This guy, he was there when Zeus started the Olympics.

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<v Speaker 2>John Powers was there at the first Olympic Games, saw

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<v Speaker 2>the first torchlit. He has covered so many Olympic Games

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<v Speaker 2>for the Boston Globe. He is one of the great writers.

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<v Speaker 2>And quite often, you know, when you think of the Globe,

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<v Speaker 2>you think of like Bob Bryan, who I do a

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<v Speaker 2>podcast with. You think of Dan Shaughnessy, you think of

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<v Speaker 2>Peter Gammons. You think of the late great Nick Cavardo,

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<v Speaker 2>Jackie McMullen, the late great Will McDonough. John Powers is

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<v Speaker 2>right there with him. He is on the mount Rushmore

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<v Speaker 2>of sports writers period. I mean in Boston. Is not

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<v Speaker 2>enough room in the mountain. There's too so many in Boston.

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<v Speaker 2>Toy Champagne, my buddy joins us on Wednesday too. It's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be interesting because he has a documentary I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if you've seen it yet on ESPN plus The

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<v Speaker 2>Rhythm of Sports, The Rhythm of Sports with Mickey Hart

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<v Speaker 2>The Grateful Dead, relating the rhythm of music and the

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<v Speaker 2>rhythm of sports together. It's a little out there, man,

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<v Speaker 2>but it is a fun watch. Let me tell you

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<v Speaker 2>that right now. It is a fun watch. I gotta go.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I've gone long. Thank you very much. No,

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<v Speaker 2>you did a great job, Karen. Thank you very much

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<v Speaker 2>as well for all the help tonight. I'll be back

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<v Speaker 2>tomorrow night at eight o'clock right here on WBZ.