Speaker 1: Mike check one two one two.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, Mike check one two one two.
Speaker 1: One two one tier back. Hold your hold your mic
Speaker 1: up to your face. Father, you gotta hold it like that.
Speaker 1: There you go back by popular demand, Pops, how you doing.
Speaker 2: I'm doing good?
Speaker 1: Good a man, A few words. I love that. That's
Speaker 1: what podcasts are for. Just tell me, tell me the
Speaker 1: least amount possible. You put me in this. You put
Speaker 1: me in this shittle rabbit hole. It is the worst
Speaker 1: thing I've ever done to you. I'm so sorry.
Speaker 2: Well I did it to myself.
Speaker 1: Actually, no, you didn't. You're trying to help your kidd
Speaker 1: ou out.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was trying, but worked out well. Yeah, looked
Speaker 2: out well.
Speaker 1: For no good deed goes unpunished.
Speaker 2: That's exactly right. I'm just gonna say it. But you
Speaker 2: beat me through the punch.
Speaker 1: Yeah. What'd you say to me the other day? What'd
Speaker 1: you say when I was.
Speaker 2: Oh, why you just let me die last year?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I had this make me get open heart surgery.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I made you get open heart surgery so you
Speaker 1: could wire my ex boyfriend's bagels so you could have
Speaker 1: the worst summer of your life.
Speaker 2: It's not as bad as it looks.
Speaker 1: Your crocs are squeaking. Okay, the crocs are squeaking. The
Speaker 1: crocs in the socks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, cock socks.
Speaker 1: Crock socks. So anyway, I got here two days ago.
Speaker 1: You had zero prospects. Oh boy, you had zero prospects
Speaker 1: two days ago.
Speaker 2: I still have zero prostucts.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm quite a wing woman.
Speaker 2: Wing wing something.
Speaker 1: You have to hold the make up hire I do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I hold it like me because you're speaking real soft too,
Speaker 1: and then nobody's gonna hear and they want to hear.
Speaker 2: Jar bar.
Speaker 1: Alright, all right, curious. So yeah, no, I come on,
Speaker 1: I'm a good wing woman.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're doing your best, doing your best.
Speaker 1: We went to dinner last night and we met some
Speaker 1: nice ladies. They pushed their table up against ours and
Speaker 1: had dinner with us.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's true.
Speaker 1: Well I told you, you know, because you do this
Speaker 1: thing all the time when we go to restaurants, and
Speaker 1: it's a very Midwest thing where you always start talking
Speaker 1: to the table next to you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, And I told me I couldn't do that.
Speaker 1: So I so you did? Yes, you did?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: You did? You started, You started it.
Speaker 2: You're the one that leaned over.
Speaker 1: No, I told her what was going on, because what
Speaker 1: happened is another table sat next to us, and did
Speaker 1: you see they asked to move? No, you didn't see that.
Speaker 1: You didn't notice that a table.
Speaker 2: Moved over to the other side. I noticed they did that,
Speaker 2: but I was wondering why.
Speaker 1: Well, you could have asked him.
Speaker 2: What I didn't say anything. I didn't say anything.
Speaker 1: So you do this when we go out to restaurants
Speaker 1: a lot, which I think is very endearing, but other
Speaker 1: people find it annoying, which is that you sit down
Speaker 1: and you immediately let the other table into the conversation.
Speaker 1: You say, Hey, how you doing.
Speaker 2: Going, how's it going?
Speaker 1: Where are you probably doing?
Speaker 2: You doing? So?
Speaker 1: I told him right before the next table, because I
Speaker 1: watched a table cycle out real quick next to us,
Speaker 1: and I told you, did I say, right before they
Speaker 1: sat down? What did I say? Before they sat down?
Speaker 2: You said, don't talk to any other tables?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: And then I didn't?
Speaker 1: Yes, you did, Dad. The second they sat.
Speaker 2: Down, I just said, hey, how's it going.
Speaker 1: No, you said hey, you're beautiful? I did, Yes you did. Oh, okay,
Speaker 1: you said hi, you're beautiful, and then you said what
Speaker 1: I was like, Dad, and then I had to explain
Speaker 1: to her. And then she was luckily from Minnesota, Minnesota, Minnesota, Minnesota,
Speaker 1: so we had another Midwestern Oh, don't channell, Oh don't
Speaker 1: all don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm just selling cars here on the Hooper.
Speaker 1: And then you were talking to her friend about Fargo.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she loves that show. She said she watched it
Speaker 2: a hundred times.
Speaker 1: Oh that's too many times to watch anything.
Speaker 2: That's her deal.
Speaker 1: That's her deal. So anyway, now you've got a couple
Speaker 1: of prospects. Yeah, no, I don't understand why you're not.
Speaker 1: If you're down here and you gotta be down here,
Speaker 1: why don't you want some friends?
Speaker 2: Well, I don't really have time for friends. You editing
Speaker 2: at all?
Speaker 1: No, I'm not.
Speaker 2: What do you mean you don't have?
Speaker 1: You got nothing to do?
Speaker 2: I know, but nothing's good.
Speaker 1: What does that mean?
Speaker 2: Well, I'm here for a reason, and my reason is
Speaker 2: not to hook up with someone.
Speaker 1: Your reason is to walk around hundred miles away. Well,
Speaker 1: your first of all, your reason, what you've been doing
Speaker 1: is walking around the apartment with water shoes and socks on.
Speaker 1: So if you could get a reason that's better than that.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm gonna switch to cowboy shorts, no pants. Yeah,
Speaker 2: just stand outside till I get the rest of it.
Speaker 2: They fling me on the ground. Watch.
Speaker 1: Oh man, Yeah, I mean I've never obviously, I thought
Speaker 1: I was going to live in Florida, and I I'm
Speaker 1: so glad I don't because the dog days of summer here.
Speaker 2: Oh god, it's thick.
Speaker 1: You like drink the air when you walk outside.
Speaker 2: You can squeeze drops the water out of the air
Speaker 2: with your fist.
Speaker 1: Yeah, little, you can wring it out. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh wait, that's salty. That's my sweat. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Wait, but you've been doing sprints up and down the block.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's only leg day.
Speaker 1: That's on leg day, all right, while you're getting in
Speaker 1: shape if nothing else, I know. Yeah, your body's in shape.
Speaker 1: Your mind's a mess.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my mind's fine.
Speaker 1: My mind's fine.
Speaker 2: Mine's fine. Yeah, I got it all put together. I'm
Speaker 2: running three jobs, four jobs, three of them from fifteen
Speaker 2: hundred miles away. Every day I talk to the guys
Speaker 2: and I tell them what they need to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, really, well, you're supposed to be retiring.
Speaker 2: I was supposed to retire last year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what happened? The old open heart, the old open heart.
Speaker 2: Yeah. When you're it's not easy to close the business. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but down a business?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Do you have so many people reaching out to you? Okay,
Speaker 1: let's talk about your heart surgery. When I called you
Speaker 1: and said, I went to a psychic, yes, and he said,
Speaker 1: you got some heart problems.
Speaker 2: He said, you said, he said, I don't know what
Speaker 2: it is. There's something the matter in his chest.
Speaker 1: Yes. He said he didn't know if it was lungs
Speaker 1: or heart.
Speaker 2: And I said, well, it's a broken heart.
Speaker 1: Intense emotionally feel a loss. Serious chiming in with what
Speaker 1: a broken heart is? Sis, stop it, Siri, We know
Speaker 1: what a broken heart is? Is that even, Siri? What
Speaker 1: does I stop it? Okay, all right, let's let her die?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, my phone in the mine attack of
Speaker 1: the technology, Oh my god. Okay, So I say that,
Speaker 1: and then you were very reticent. You did not want
Speaker 1: to get anything checked.
Speaker 2: No. I The only reason I did is because you've
Speaker 2: said you weren't going on a canoe trip.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I didn't get cassium heart scan, right, so it just
Speaker 2: to prove you wrong.
Speaker 1: Then you ended up on it operating, ended up with.
Speaker 2: My lungs and heart outside my bike wearing on my chest,
Speaker 2: which I didn't see, but I asked for a film
Speaker 2: of that. It would have been cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the doctor was wearing a GoPro. I don't know
Speaker 1: about that being so cool.
Speaker 2: Well, I think it would be.
Speaker 1: Well, I think you really went in there. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: made it. Did you ever think that doctor?
Speaker 2: I did. I thanked her, him and her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think they take it outside.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they said they laid it out.
Speaker 1: They laid out the heart, they collapsed the line.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they bring the heart outside so they can
Speaker 2: cut all of them the veins put the in there. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's amazing.
Speaker 1: It's pretty crazy.
Speaker 2: They take the veins out of your legs.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, what's funny about the whole process is your
Speaker 1: your absolute denial the whole time.
Speaker 2: I wasn't. I got the results and got some arts again,
Speaker 2: and then it said, like I remember, first line said
Speaker 2: like zero problems.
Speaker 1: No it didn't. It said ninety eight percentile, yeah.
Speaker 2: Which I got ninety eight percent.
Speaker 1: Good, yeah, not ninety eight percent. My heart's going to
Speaker 1: stop for the next couple of days.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I sent it to you guys like see
Speaker 2: like see yeah good, yeah, see see I'm okay, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I told you to quit worrying, and Heather calls drop
Speaker 2: whatever you're doing. It goes see your hearts surgeon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the cardio cardiologist.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But I was playing baseball at the time, hardball
Speaker 2: in a sixteen over league and a fifty five and
Speaker 2: over league, and I had It's not like I had
Speaker 2: any pain. I had discomfort in my upper chest, like
Speaker 2: a high yeah, and that was but then it would
Speaker 2: go away, like after the first after you got moving,
Speaker 2: it would go away. And I was just like, well,
Speaker 2: this is what happens when you get old.
Speaker 1: I'm dropped out on the baseball this has happened.
Speaker 2: Chase the ball like a dog. Yeah, and you keel
Speaker 2: over on the morning track.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yeah, that was. It was an interesting
Speaker 1: series of emotions to witness because there was a lot
Speaker 1: of denial and then there was a lot of anger
Speaker 1: when you found out you had to get it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was mad.
Speaker 1: You're mad because I ruined another I ruined yet another sub.
Speaker 1: I ruined the canoe trip.
Speaker 2: Oh, that would have been probably the worst thing decision
Speaker 2: I ever made, to go on a canoe trip.
Speaker 1: This is what we were going to paddles. Yeah, yeah, yea.
Speaker 2: Canoe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we're in the middle of in the middle
Speaker 1: of nowhere with no phone, no way to get a
Speaker 1: hold of anyone. Dad's just keeled over the Hey girls back,
Speaker 1: that is if you were alive.
Speaker 2: Who was going to goal?
Speaker 1: Everyone? It was Brian Westbach and his son Rick And then.
Speaker 2: Oh that's right you Heather, Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1: And I think Qui was on the fence about it.
Speaker 2: Some we had to have a sixth person.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe it was Qui, but anyway, we h didn't
Speaker 1: go spoiler alert. But the good news is you get
Speaker 1: two Canada trips this summer.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 1: But even when you were going into that surgery, you
Speaker 1: were making jokes on the table and the nurse was like,
Speaker 1: do you understand the gravity of what you're about to
Speaker 1: go into?
Speaker 2: Why? What did I say? I asked her if I
Speaker 2: was gonna still be able to know?
Speaker 1: That was when you got out of surgery. When you
Speaker 1: got out of surgery, you said to her, the first
Speaker 1: thing you said was I don't You said, am I
Speaker 1: going to still be able to play guitar? Or am
Speaker 1: I going to be able to play guitar? And she's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you should be able to when you're heeled and you're like,
Speaker 1: that's cool because I couldn't before.
Speaker 2: I never could before I had a phenomenon.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, no, but even like before the surgery, were
Speaker 1: making jokes and the woman was not really having it.
Speaker 1: She's like, do you understand? And you didn't understand. That's
Speaker 1: the thing. You told everyone you were going to be
Speaker 1: back to work in two weeks.
Speaker 2: I was no, you were, you were I put it
Speaker 2: on the horse vest. Yeah, the flat jacket. I'm going
Speaker 2: to moti wine more than that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you tried to go both the lawn right after
Speaker 1: you had open heart surgery. Like your chest isn't even
Speaker 1: glued together.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you call it? The gluten screwed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, gluten screwed. The clavicles busted out.
Speaker 2: I could feel the staples.
Speaker 1: Yeah, every time you breathed. Oh and when you would sneeze.
Speaker 2: Oh I forgot about that. Yeah, no, only that was
Speaker 2: what really bothered me was the oozing.
Speaker 1: The oozing, Yeah, the drippage. Yeah, it was really something.
Speaker 1: But you really want to at all? No, it's fine,
Speaker 1: you you really wanted At some point Heather and I
Speaker 1: out of the house.
Speaker 2: Well, you guys are on me, like white on rice,
Speaker 2: stink on poop.
Speaker 1: I really wasn't. I was pretty hands off. Heather was
Speaker 1: sleeping with you. Heather was leg next to you in
Speaker 1: bed to make sure you didn't because one night, Yeah,
Speaker 1: one night you screwed your pills up because you were
Speaker 1: so looped up and you messed your pills up there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you were on a different planet.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I don't know what they gave me, but.
Speaker 1: Probably oxy No.
Speaker 2: I had that when I broke my neck oxy Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I quit taking it after the first day because
Speaker 2: the walls were closing in on me. The ceiling was
Speaker 2: coming down.
Speaker 1: Really really, most people like oxycon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not me, me me. I gave him to my brother. No,
Speaker 2: and I just took extra same town all. Anytime I
Speaker 2: had pain, I dealt with the pain.
Speaker 1: When your neck was broken, yeah, the first time or
Speaker 1: the second time?
Speaker 2: First time?
Speaker 1: Yeah, the first time. Well that that was crazy too,
Speaker 1: because I mean you were hunting with your brother Mike, yes,
Speaker 1: and you were boozing a little.
Speaker 2: No dad four night before. But no, it was it
Speaker 2: had nothing to do with that. It was just situation
Speaker 2: that three branches broke at the same time when I
Speaker 2: was climbing down the tree.
Speaker 1: Oh, I thought you were in a tree stand hunting
Speaker 1: and you fell out.
Speaker 2: No. I climbed the tree way up and then I
Speaker 2: was coming down and three branches broke at the same time.
Speaker 2: The tool of my feet were on and won my hand.
Speaker 2: One hand was on, okay, and the fall. The funny
Speaker 2: part of that is the fall did not It seemed
Speaker 2: like it probably only took a second or two seconds
Speaker 2: to come down twenty feet and I was in a spin,
Speaker 2: but it seemed like an hour. Oh yeah, because you're like,
Speaker 2: oh boy, yeah, how am I gonna land? Yeah, this
Speaker 2: is not going to be good. And I landed face first.
Speaker 2: And the funny part is the fall did not break
Speaker 2: my neck. I had the gun slung a sling. There
Speaker 2: was a sling on the gun, and I slung it
Speaker 2: over my back and when I hit the ground, the
Speaker 2: gun slammed onto my neck. Oh, and that's what broke
Speaker 2: my neck.
Speaker 1: I mean, man, that could have been way worse.
Speaker 2: Oh well, that's the thing, because I I landed like this,
Speaker 2: face first.
Speaker 1: My head yeah. Oh yeah, it went yeah exactly, good night.
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, you were a couple of degrees away
Speaker 1: from death there, yeah, five degrees away from it. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's you really have dodged a few bullets. Yeah, a
Speaker 1: few bullets.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It makes you wonder if I can still do
Speaker 2: a handspring my arms collapse and break my.
Speaker 1: Neck and go, wait, how'd you break your neck the
Speaker 1: second time?
Speaker 2: Shallow lake? Oh?
Speaker 1: Actually you never told me that. No, No, you kept
Speaker 1: none of your business.
Speaker 2: You know everything, stupid I do.
Speaker 1: You dove into a shallow lake?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it wasn't my neck bone. It was some bone.
Speaker 2: I guess you have like one hundred and forty bones
Speaker 2: in your head, okay, and it was some bone like
Speaker 2: behind my ear. I heard a crack and then I
Speaker 2: just was like kind of mundane the rest of the day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, subdued oach, I've done it again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that one song.
Speaker 1: Oh I did it again. I broke my fucking back.
Speaker 1: I got lost in this shallow one. Oopsidhe brokad again?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, you definitely never told me that. Well, I
Speaker 1: don't know where I was. What was I doing? Was
Speaker 1: I living in La? Why did I not care?
Speaker 2: Well? You broke your neck which time?
Speaker 1: Well I knew because we were together on Thanksgiving when
Speaker 1: you broke your neck the first time, and I knew
Speaker 1: something was wrong because you kept drinking beers and every
Speaker 1: time you throw your head back, you be like something's wrong,
Speaker 1: but you just you just kept drinking beers. And then
Speaker 1: I had to go back to Marquette. Pall Yeah, And
Speaker 1: then I had to go back to Marquete. And I
Speaker 1: remember I got a call from your ex wife saying
Speaker 1: your dad broke his neck.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that was bad.
Speaker 1: That was the first time you really dropped a lot
Speaker 1: of weight.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Wow, I had atrophy. I couldn't like push right.
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Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: I want to talk about this story you told me
Speaker 1: about the bitcoin guy. Can you tell that story?
Speaker 2: Oh the first Yeah, long time ago that was, but
Speaker 2: I had to be oh, at least twenty twenty five,
Speaker 2: twenty three years ago.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And the guy lived in an old house where I
Speaker 2: grew up and like built in the nineteen teens, maybe
Speaker 2: nineteen fifteen or whatever. And it was winter and it
Speaker 2: was like five degrees outside, and he said, I need
Speaker 2: some wearing down in my house. So I went in there.
Speaker 2: Every window was open. Apparently these bitcoin whatever, the servers,
Speaker 2: they generated a ton of heat. Yeah, every window was
Speaker 2: open and it was still like eighty degrees in there,
Speaker 2: and he had cords running all over the house, plugged
Speaker 2: in everywhere. I said, you're going to burn this place down. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he said this whing wasn't meant to run bitcoin bitcoin things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And.
Speaker 2: I said, what, by the way, what's a bit?
Speaker 1: What the fuck are you talking?
Speaker 2: You're mining? You're mining what? Yeah, I'm mining bitcoin? And
Speaker 2: I'm like god, he said, it's it's really it's like nothing.
Speaker 2: It's cyber yeah, cyber pea. And I was just like okay, alright, yeah,
Speaker 2: what what alternative universe are you living? In right, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: a little did it? He said, you forgive me five
Speaker 2: thouss a bucks, I'll make you a ton of money.
Speaker 2: And I bet then it was I don't know, maybe eight, ten,
Speaker 2: fifteen dollars, I don't know what it was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I just said, well, no, didn't he offer
Speaker 1: to pay you in bitcoin if you did the wirings? Yeah,
Speaker 1: like twenty or thirty bitcoin or something. Yeah, and now
Speaker 1: bitcoins are worth hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Speaker 2: Right. Well, that's another great idea I had that fell through.
Speaker 1: It's another almost another.
Speaker 2: Almost almost almost invented that one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, excuse me, yeah, should But basically, you said, when
Speaker 1: you went in there, you thought that it would be
Speaker 1: irresponsible to do the wiring.
Speaker 2: Right, That's what I said. I said, I can't touch
Speaker 2: this because if you keep up with what you're doing,
Speaker 2: I'll burn the place. The place is going to start
Speaker 2: on fire.
Speaker 1: Yeah that way. Did it start on fire?
Speaker 2: No? It never did, I don't. No. I think he
Speaker 2: moved off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say, because he the bitcoin became
Speaker 1: so valuable.
Speaker 2: Right, and then he moved out and got a place.
Speaker 2: And I always meant to ask his sister how that ever,
Speaker 2: turned out because I see her from time to time.
Speaker 2: H yeah, and she's I just I forgot to ask her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, to be one of the original people with a bitcoin,
Speaker 1: that would have been crazy. Did you see that story
Speaker 1: where that guy it's similar, like he had a password
Speaker 1: basically in order to get a hold of your bitcoin,
Speaker 1: you have to have a code, right, and he wrote
Speaker 1: it on a piece of paper and then he somehow
Speaker 1: lost the piece of paper and his bitcoin were worth
Speaker 1: nine hundred million dollars and he was digging through a
Speaker 1: dump for like years, really like just madman digging through
Speaker 1: a dump.
Speaker 2: I think we have an old neighbor that was in
Speaker 2: the bitcoin.
Speaker 1: Uh, yeah, she was. She was hanging out with like
Speaker 1: Richard Branson. No, I'm not, but we did.
Speaker 2: And then she.
Speaker 1: Threw herself out a window in Shanghai, allegedly alleged.
Speaker 2: One hundred story building.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to talk about a long fall. Well
Speaker 1: the fall didn't kill her though, Yeah, I know it
Speaker 1: was the gun.
Speaker 2: It was a sudden stop. It was the what soun stop?
Speaker 1: The suns? I don't get it.
Speaker 2: Sudden stop.
Speaker 1: Oh the sudden stop? Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, I every person who's jumped off because you know,
Speaker 1: they have that documentary called The Bridge where it's you
Speaker 1: haven't heard of this documentary saddest, the saddest shit ever. No,
Speaker 1: it's all these people that try to kill themselves off
Speaker 1: the Golden Gate Bridge. And then they did a documentary
Speaker 1: about the people who survived, and every single one of
Speaker 1: them said the second they jumped, they regretted it. Really, Yeah,
Speaker 1: which is a crazy feeling because I'm like, if you're
Speaker 1: gonna do the thing, you usually like commit to the thing.
Speaker 1: But I guess that fall, like you're saying, when you're
Speaker 1: going out of the tree, stand, a fall gives you
Speaker 1: so much time to think clearly, oh what did I do?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah it does. It's like, yeah, it really I
Speaker 2: couldn't believe how much went through my head. Yeah, in
Speaker 2: a second and a half. Yeah, but I always I
Speaker 2: was almost able to hang on, but there's my body.
Speaker 2: It was too much for one arm to be around
Speaker 2: the main branch. Yeah, yeah, it's but yeah, I can
Speaker 2: imagine I couldn't do it. I guess if I was
Speaker 2: in the twin towers, I.
Speaker 1: Would, Well, yeah, that's not that's not a you know,
Speaker 1: the only choice you have then is to make it
Speaker 1: your choice.
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? Burn right or fly right?
Speaker 1: Do I crumble and let this or do I try
Speaker 1: and jump and.
Speaker 2: Been a horrible decision? Well? Either way, yeah, either way.
Speaker 1: Either way you're in a bad way. Yeah, you're down bad.
Speaker 2: Right, so your future future? Right? Oh well, laugh about it.
Speaker 1: We gotta laugh otherwise we'll cry. Okay, okay, all right?
Speaker 1: What do you think of I know you've seen you've
Speaker 1: obviously been an electrician for forty years? Forty seven years.
Speaker 2: Don't you forget it?
Speaker 1: This last one's all my fault. Forty seventh and final
Speaker 1: years my fault.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all right. It's all part of a learning curve.
Speaker 1: Part of something.
Speaker 2: Something, part of something machine, something machine.
Speaker 1: What do you think of the younger generation coming in?
Speaker 2: They have issues? We have a lot of issues when
Speaker 2: you know, like you talk to young guys and they
Speaker 2: look at you like you're a Martian or something, and
Speaker 2: I just should I text you? Yeah? Will that be better? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Like will the message come across clearer?
Speaker 2: Yeah? But can't you like interpret the words I'm saying? Yeah?
Speaker 2: You just yeah, it's just like conversation. No, there's no
Speaker 2: such thing. Yeah, one word answers. It's just bizarre. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you might find one out of ten that somehow got
Speaker 2: social skills. Maybe their parents made them do that.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but right, but other than that, it's
Speaker 1: looking bleak.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's looking And the trades are the place to
Speaker 2: be right now. A guy could name name his price
Speaker 2: on pretty much anything and you could make a great
Speaker 2: living in the trades. But I don't know, they just
Speaker 2: seem like they're not with it mentally. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: like they don't have the drive drive. They just seem weak,
Speaker 2: weak minded.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but then they're also listening to like scream on music.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, right, something's wrong.
Speaker 2: Turn that shit off.
Speaker 1: Gon'll give your dad a hug for the first time.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, I said, I told the guy work the
Speaker 2: Rick best back. Yeah, I told him I want they
Speaker 2: had this music players just screaming and I'm just like,
Speaker 2: I'm trying to talk to him and I can't hear
Speaker 2: over the radio, and I said, you got to turn
Speaker 2: that down. And I said, I said to Rick, I
Speaker 2: wonder what they do if I just pulled out my
Speaker 2: thirty eight and shot it with my pistols. I blew
Speaker 2: their radio right into the wall with the message you
Speaker 2: get across.
Speaker 1: Then Yeah, you're like, I'm just matching the energetic vibes
Speaker 1: of the music.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just going to retarded like the guy's singing,
Speaker 2: just losing my mind like he told me to. Yeah exactly,
Speaker 2: That's exactly what it's like. Like, this is crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, is everyone okay?
Speaker 2: And it's just like give you energy?
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's it's I think it makes people feel something,
Speaker 1: you know, because people are just so dulled, and I
Speaker 1: think a lot of that is technology and being on
Speaker 1: your phone all the time. People just feel completely dulled.
Speaker 1: So they got to have music that makes him feel Yeah, and.
Speaker 2: Then slaming monsters. Yeah, slaming monsters listen to that, they
Speaker 2: probably go home and pass out.
Speaker 1: It's like a three day bench quent on their child
Speaker 1: support payments.
Speaker 2: Yeah no, oh no, it was the bank account.
Speaker 1: Yeah, holday's work just down the drain.
Speaker 2: Yeah okay.
Speaker 1: So you have a few things that you say to
Speaker 1: me often that I want to talk about. One of
Speaker 1: them is this too shall pass? How has that gotten
Speaker 1: you through things in life?
Speaker 2: Well, when you're not, you don't like what you're doing,
Speaker 2: you just have to give it. I hate to waste
Speaker 2: a way any more time. Right, that's the that's the
Speaker 2: sad part. But you have to put your mind in
Speaker 2: a place that this too, shall pass. So I don't
Speaker 2: like what's happening in my life right now, but it's
Speaker 2: not forever, and I don't have forever. So I want
Speaker 2: this to pass and go to greener fields, greener pastures.
Speaker 1: Greener pastures. And how's that worked out for you?
Speaker 2: Great?
Speaker 1: Have you found a greenoper super?
Speaker 2: I saw one.
Speaker 1: I saw one on the the way to help.
Speaker 2: No. It was ah, like a grasshoppers ate all the grass.
Speaker 1: Grasshoppers eat grass.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how they they're like a plague grasshoppers. They
Speaker 2: eat everything. Oh really yeah, they live on greens.
Speaker 1: Oh I didn't know they ate grass.
Speaker 2: They ate everything. They're like, no, yeah, they eat anything green.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's why they're green. Well, yeah it has to be.
Speaker 2: They can be green. Yeah. I used to torture them
Speaker 2: when I was a kid.
Speaker 1: Oh good, you're just passing it on because your siblings
Speaker 1: were torturing you.
Speaker 2: You were torturing.
Speaker 1: It's just trickle down economics of torture.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in a twelve effect.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what was it like growing up with twelve siblings
Speaker 1: or eleven?
Speaker 2: So it was awesome?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was awesome.
Speaker 2: I went traded for the world. Yeah, I really wouldn't.
Speaker 2: You got such a You learned everything, like, you learned
Speaker 2: how to work hard. You learned how to fight.
Speaker 1: That's a big one.
Speaker 2: That's the big one. You learned how to survive with little.
Speaker 2: I mean I saw what was it something on oh
Speaker 2: someone sent me something on YouTube or something, and it
Speaker 2: said that kids from the sixties and seventeens six sixties
Speaker 2: and seventies were not parented better. They were just given
Speaker 2: so much slack to screw up on their own that
Speaker 2: and figure life out. You You couldn't always run to
Speaker 2: the helicopter mom or dad. There wasn't one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they were paying attention to you.
Speaker 2: They were not paying attention. So you learned by trial
Speaker 2: and error. And not only that. I really think that
Speaker 2: they thought, well, if we lose one, we'll have another. Yeah,
Speaker 2: how to fire a couple of twins.
Speaker 1: India and you guys all developed a really strong sense
Speaker 1: of humor.
Speaker 2: Yes, all right. Humor was huge because nothing was funny.
Speaker 2: That's the thing. If you can't laugh at what the
Speaker 2: horrors that you are not horrors, But yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: it's you know you if you can't laugh at yourself.
Speaker 2: There's what's the sense. Yeah, you're just going to be
Speaker 2: a that'd be down in your whole life. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: learn to learn to laugh at yourself and just be
Speaker 2: and laugh at others. Even in the worst, worst things
Speaker 2: that happen. You can make jokes out of it. And
Speaker 2: I think that their country has become so ah crazy
Speaker 2: with they just can't You can't tell a joke because
Speaker 2: oh that might defend someone. Well you know what good offended? Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's good for you.
Speaker 1: Yea development.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he builds some character and then and then pause
Speaker 2: and think, yeah, h I don't like that guy. I
Speaker 2: don't like stupid jokes.
Speaker 1: I don't like it at all.
Speaker 2: Are they'll all gather on. Yeah, I like this guy.
Speaker 2: He laughs at everything. Yeah, A smile draws them in. Yeah,
Speaker 2: a frown. Let's go the other way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, tell me about when you guys built the homemade gokrt.
Speaker 2: Oh we had a butt so the homemade go cart.
Speaker 2: Oh boy, I was nine years old and we built
Speaker 2: the go kart. It had rope steering and it had
Speaker 2: the little lawnmower tires on the front that we cut
Speaker 2: some axles out of. And then we took nails and
Speaker 2: bent them over to hold the axles on. And then
Speaker 2: the bat and back had a five horse Briggs motor
Speaker 2: with the chain drive on the back tires and those
Speaker 2: were lawnmower tires but bigger, and it was a change lawn.
Speaker 1: Were you partner up?
Speaker 2: Oh, we'd go around the subdivision and then say hey,
Speaker 2: you got a lot more tires we can have? It
Speaker 2: was like yeah, pretty much fetch and sketch ah. So yeah.
Speaker 2: Rope steering just a wood seat, no brakes, no breaks,
Speaker 2: the story in front of the story, no breaks, and
Speaker 2: it was no gas pedal, full throttle, full throttles, so
Speaker 2: you'd have to put it on a block in the
Speaker 2: back of you know, like a wood block. You start
Speaker 2: the motor, it's running full blast, and then you kick
Speaker 2: it off the block. So they said, well, who wants
Speaker 2: to test it out? And I said, well I will.
Speaker 2: And I said, well, how am I going to stop?
Speaker 2: And they said, well, you go down to the end
Speaker 2: of the road and at the end of the row
Speaker 2: there's like a ditch and then a hump a jump
Speaker 2: and he said, well.
Speaker 1: If you make it to there, Which brother was this?
Speaker 2: No brothers, this was just neighbor neighbors and I saw
Speaker 2: I said, okay, so I thought, and I said, so,
Speaker 2: how am I going to stop? And they said, well,
Speaker 2: we only put a little bit of gas in this,
Speaker 2: Like I'd run out of gas. Well, by the time
Speaker 2: I hit the first curve, by the time I hit
Speaker 2: the first roll, there was a tea in a row
Speaker 2: to the left. I was doing like seven. The thing
Speaker 2: burned out. It burned out on them tires for like
Speaker 2: one hundred feet and then then it just grabbed and
Speaker 2: took off, and I thought, no way, I'm going to
Speaker 2: kill myself if I keep going. And but little did
Speaker 2: I know that they took this seat off because the
Speaker 2: seat was loose in the back beat the seat leaned
Speaker 2: up against the motor. Yeah, well they took the shroud
Speaker 2: was off the motor, and so you had to open flywheel.
Speaker 2: And I little did I know that they took the
Speaker 2: seat off. I didn't see him do that, but didn't matter.
Speaker 2: It was destined for failure anyway. And with the g
Speaker 2: force of the thing taken off, I leaned back and
Speaker 2: that flywheel dug a hole in my back. Yeah. So
Speaker 2: at the first turn, I thought this, I gotta crash
Speaker 2: this thing. Yeah, so I it was a deep ditch
Speaker 2: on the other side of the t in the road
Speaker 2: that so I just crashed it. And I remember sliding
Speaker 2: across the grass, face first, sliding through the grass, and
Speaker 2: then I got up and I, oh my god, that
Speaker 2: was stupid.
Speaker 1: But you have that big scar on your back from that,
Speaker 1: don't you.
Speaker 2: Yes, Yes, it dug quite a big hole in my back. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and it put a ton of stitches in there. They
Speaker 2: stitched it from out from inside out.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Anyway.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Virgin Voyage, the Virgin.
Speaker 2: Voyage total failure.
Speaker 1: It's like the challenge.
Speaker 2: So the worst part was I had my church shirt on.
Speaker 2: There was a shirt with a bunch of ducks on it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know it from the picture, yes, yes.
Speaker 2: And I had that shirt on and I'm like. The
Speaker 2: neighbor kids said, hey, your back's bleeding really bad, and
Speaker 2: I said, oh no, my church shirt.
Speaker 1: Oh no, the ducks.
Speaker 2: The ducks are bleeding. Must have killed the ducks back. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I remember running to it like it was yesterday. I
Speaker 2: remember running through the yards, run into the house and
Speaker 2: my mom was going grocery shopping and I was somebody
Speaker 2: saw me running in the blood, fall over my back
Speaker 2: and they called the ambulance and uh, I was laying
Speaker 2: on the kitchen floor and my mom came home and
Speaker 2: she was fit to be tied, not mad. She was
Speaker 2: just like, that's all she said is Judas Priest, and
Speaker 2: then collapsed and slid down the wall. Collapsed. I said, Ah,
Speaker 2: don't worry, nothing hurts.
Speaker 1: Don't worry about I don't worry about nothing hurts. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I feel like I don't know if from that or
Speaker 1: just this is something that you've developed. In general, you
Speaker 1: have a strange relationship with pain, Like you go through
Speaker 1: objectively horrifying things and you don't seem to be affected. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what is that? I wonder if that's like a dissociation
Speaker 1: tactic you learned early in life to not make your
Speaker 1: mom upset. Story, I'm good, the ducks are not goods.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Like, I'll never forget when I was a kid and
Speaker 1: you walked in the house when you were fixing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you.
Speaker 1: Were fixing the fence and I, I.
Speaker 2: Have never seen off the roof and I landed on
Speaker 2: the fence.
Speaker 1: There you go. I I was very young. I don't
Speaker 1: know how old, but all I remember is I walked
Speaker 1: in and you had blood running down the whole entire
Speaker 1: back of your leg. I think your butt sheeet got
Speaker 1: snagged or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it ripped a post. Yeah, like a bruise
Speaker 2: that was so deep. I still have like a dimple
Speaker 2: my ass. I don't have anymore.
Speaker 1: But you were bleeding.
Speaker 2: It was bleeding out of of violent bruise.
Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah, you said, I remember you like, go get
Speaker 1: me a brag or whatever, and I was like yeah,
Speaker 1: and you're like, no, we don't have time for that.
Speaker 1: You gotta go get the right.
Speaker 2: Just do what I say.
Speaker 1: Enough enough with the emotions, Yeah, just.
Speaker 2: Stop the weaning wound. Just skip me what I want. Yeah,
Speaker 2: get me a cold cloth. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then your hands too. You got in that fight.
Speaker 2: I remember you to tractor battery fell on my hand.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's the lie you told.
Speaker 2: Us, But that really did happen.
Speaker 1: Well, you got after you.
Speaker 2: I tried to lift the battery out of the tractor.
Speaker 1: And it fell because you had gotten in a fight
Speaker 1: the night before.
Speaker 2: Yes, and my hand was broken broken, I couldn't hold
Speaker 2: it up. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll happened your smaller tones. But you've got in
Speaker 1: a lot of fights in your day.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's old.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's old. We don't do that anymore. Nom it's
Speaker 1: weird behavior. Yeah, very but why do you think you
Speaker 1: did that? Were you angry secretly? No, you just both
Speaker 1: didn't like I smile too much, so you're like, I'll
Speaker 1: show you not a smile.
Speaker 2: Laugh that. Yeah, I'm not laughing. Said something to laugh about? Yeah,
Speaker 2: a little O piquet.
Speaker 1: One punch knockout.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Another phrase who say all the time that I love
Speaker 1: is worry is a wasted emotion.
Speaker 2: It is, Everyone does it, but it's wasted because you
Speaker 2: cannot do anything about that emotion.
Speaker 1: Well, you can't do anything about the situation you're worrying
Speaker 1: about exactly, and the worry is just its own manufactured Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's also like self like self poison. Right, But do
Speaker 1: you find yourself as you age worrying less or do
Speaker 1: you worry more? Or the exact same? And it's just
Speaker 1: a phrase you say, and you.
Speaker 2: Don't know less. I think less worry, there's really I
Speaker 2: mean honestly, Well, like everyone when I was going for
Speaker 2: the heart surgery, everybody was, aren't you worried? I like
Speaker 2: worried about what? Yeah? You think I'm doing this to
Speaker 2: myself for fun? Am I am? I doing the surgery.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if I was doing it, i'd worry. But I'm
Speaker 2: not doing it. This is in God's hands. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: God's hands. And I hope he trained that surgeon well yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, I hope he gave him everything he needs
Speaker 2: to get me better. Yeah, but worry. I did not
Speaker 2: worry at all.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And people thought you're nuts, Yeah, like nuts, you are.
Speaker 1: Well, I think you had a good dissociative state around it,
Speaker 1: like you once you got past the anger of it,
Speaker 1: you were kind of just like, whatever it is, it is.
Speaker 2: Is what it is.
Speaker 1: What am I going to do?
Speaker 2: It was like the lightning storm at mac Lake.
Speaker 1: Yeah, remember when I almost got struck by lightning yesterday.
Speaker 2: That was close.
Speaker 1: That was crazy.
Speaker 2: You think God God shot you? Yeah, it was a
Speaker 2: god shot.
Speaker 1: It was a god shot.
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 1: We were selling my car yesterday. I'm down in Florida, obviously,
Speaker 1: and the guy needed something that was in the house
Speaker 1: and a storm had broken out and I was running
Speaker 1: and I'm not kidding you. The lightning. I've never heard
Speaker 1: lightning closer that.
Speaker 2: Well, I have, but yeah, well but that was really close.
Speaker 2: It was probably one hundred feet yeah, right, like right,
Speaker 2: across the street. Yeah, and I could your face when
Speaker 2: you looked up at you. What did I do?
Speaker 1: That would be my luck to get struck down in
Speaker 1: home beach. I think I could come back for forty
Speaker 1: eight hours.
Speaker 2: And they're like, no, no, no, no, here's here's a
Speaker 2: nice both of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh, my god, tell me about the macli like
Speaker 1: lightning story.
Speaker 2: Oh, we were fishing up on the West End when
Speaker 2: we're canoeing. Obviously they were illuminum canoes with aluminum paddles,
Speaker 2: and a storm rolled in like fast. We're catching tons
Speaker 2: of fish, though, so we waited right to the end,
Speaker 2: and then by the time the storm came in, there
Speaker 2: was lightning bolts and it was raining like you couldn't
Speaker 2: see twenty feet. So I'm paddling and I'm like, what's
Speaker 2: the sense. I don't know where I'm paddling too. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so why so I My brother had saved up at
Speaker 2: the time. He smoked Marlboro and he saved up one
Speaker 2: thousand coupons, and so he got some Marlborough rein gear
Speaker 2: and he was bragging about it. And he was in
Speaker 2: the front of the canoe and the water was running
Speaker 2: down his back because the rainer really didn't fit him,
Speaker 2: and it was going down the crack of his ass.
Speaker 2: I just started laughing. I couldn't steer, I couldn't do anything.
Speaker 2: I was laughing so hard. I figured, I don't have
Speaker 2: control here. I have zero control. I don't know where
Speaker 2: I'm going. It's lightning storms in the lightning, I swear
Speaker 2: was one bolt hit like twenty feet from our canoe,
Speaker 2: and the whole canoe lifted out of the water.
Speaker 1: Oh wow.
Speaker 2: And then it plopped back down. And I'm trying to
Speaker 2: bail because you know how a canoe when water gets
Speaker 2: in it, you go from side to side and it
Speaker 2: starts to get real rocky. So I'm trying to bail out.
Speaker 2: I'm laughing, and I said Tom, quit paddling. We don't
Speaker 2: know where we're going. And the other canoe they were
Speaker 2: just horrified and me, me and my brother Tom were
Speaker 2: just laughing profusely. We couldn't stop. It was like probably
Speaker 2: twenty minutes of like fall down laughter. But you couldn't
Speaker 2: fall down, obviously, because you're in a canoe. But we
Speaker 2: just couldn't stop. And then we somehow we've found land,
Speaker 2: and then the other canoe. So I'm sleeping here tonight,
Speaker 2: and I said I'm not. I said, no, I'm not. Well,
Speaker 2: are you gonna just go next to some dead fall
Speaker 2: and call it? Yeah? You're soaking wet, you know, even
Speaker 2: though it's eighty degrees seventy degrees outside, it won't be
Speaker 2: that for long and the night comes you'll be Yeah, no, stop,
Speaker 2: I said, I'm just gonna wait for this to break.
Speaker 2: It's going to break. And you know, they the other
Speaker 2: three people still they still wonder if I'm touched.
Speaker 1: The answer is yes.
Speaker 2: Well Tom was laughing to it. I thank god he
Speaker 2: was laughing because I couldn't stop laughing.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, there's something about you where when things are
Speaker 1: really really bad, all you do is laugh.
Speaker 2: Well, what are you gonna do? Cry? Or panic? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Panic's no good. Yeah. Last in the woods once and
Speaker 2: I panicked, And as soon as I stopped and sat
Speaker 2: down and calmed down, I thought, what do I need
Speaker 2: to get out of here? Just listen? Listen. You can
Speaker 2: hear cars on a road five mile house from here, right,
Speaker 2: so just listed for the cars. Yeah, and then walk
Speaker 2: that way. Yeah you'll get out.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Where'd you get lost in the woods?
Speaker 2: Voca?
Speaker 1: Oh that's not a good woods to get lost. And
Speaker 1: it's also not many cars up there.
Speaker 2: So you really know, but you have to be the accident.
Speaker 2: Everything's good, like it's almost like hunting. You don't panic
Speaker 2: until you're done.
Speaker 1: Shooting right then you.
Speaker 2: Just then you're like fall on the ground.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Okay, we're going to talk about me
Speaker 1: as a kid. What's one thing you wish I'd worry
Speaker 1: less about.
Speaker 2: You? Mmm? I don't know. Do you worry? Yeah, well,
Speaker 2: you worry about your future.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Have we ever talked.
Speaker 2: You worry about me? No?
Speaker 1: Oh, I mean if I think about when you like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's I thought. I can't go near. But I
Speaker 1: don't worry about you. No, I don't love that you
Speaker 1: live alone in that big house and you putts around.
Speaker 1: I know, but you putts around with heavy machinery and
Speaker 1: you know you change out of your foot wide open.
Speaker 1: No you're not. You change on.
Speaker 2: I'm a lot more careful than I used to be.
Speaker 2: Remember that tractor I used to have, and the batteries
Speaker 2: on instead, so I'd roll it down the hill. I
Speaker 2: pushed the tires and then jump on the track and
Speaker 2: s and gear. Yeah yeah that No, that's stupid.
Speaker 1: Yeah, dumb.
Speaker 2: What.
Speaker 1: What's something I did growing up that still makes you laugh?
Speaker 2: M Oh, the times you jumped in the pool in Florida. What.
Speaker 1: I don't know this story.
Speaker 2: Yeah. You we were walking out, You're like four years old. Yeah, maybe,
Speaker 2: And we didn't have any preserver on your wings or anything.
Speaker 2: And I'm walking out still with my clothes on, shorts
Speaker 2: and wallet in the pocket, keys in the pocket, and
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you just whip out and jump
Speaker 2: in the deep end of the pool.
Speaker 1: Did I have a suit on?
Speaker 2: Yes, and we're so I I didn't take anything off.
Speaker 2: I just dove in after you, and you were standing
Speaker 2: on the bottom, laughing with bubbles coming out of your mouth,
Speaker 2: and I'm thinking, she's going to take a breath real quick.
Speaker 2: I grabbed you, and I fireballed off the bottom and
Speaker 2: got you up in the air, and I was like,
Speaker 2: you idiots more you were that close to taking a
Speaker 2: breath because you're laughing, and I see the bubbles coming
Speaker 2: out of your lungs, and I'm like, she's going to
Speaker 2: take a breath any second now. And I whipped you up.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I don't even know that story.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was one thing I laugh about it now,
Speaker 2: but I was scared, scared shitless. In fact, they're still
Speaker 2: pooping that pool.
Speaker 1: Wait. My favorite story is when we were in Canada
Speaker 1: and I was mouthing off because I was trying to
Speaker 1: go on that you're.
Speaker 2: Trying to impress the boys, probably like twelve, maybe maybe
Speaker 2: Bobby nine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I don't think nine. I think ten twelve.
Speaker 2: Because I started taking you to Canada when you were twelve.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I had to be eleven eleven, I had
Speaker 1: to be eleven. It was the year before.
Speaker 2: Yeah, some ten years old and yeah, kind of pressed
Speaker 2: the boys. Yeah, at three in the no, you said.
Speaker 1: To me, af your mouth off to me one more time,
Speaker 1: you're going in the lake, and I was like, you
Speaker 1: math after me one more.
Speaker 2: Right, I've never picked you up by that. Best about
Speaker 2: the look on your face, like total surprise, betrayal.
Speaker 1: I've been betrayed by a man for the first time,
Speaker 1: but certainly not the last.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I just remember that look on your face, like,
Speaker 2: oh I did it now? Shoot I pissed him off?
Speaker 2: Oh man?
Speaker 1: Yeah, when did you realize I was funny.
Speaker 2: When you were born?
Speaker 1: From the look you what the hell is that? I
Speaker 1: feel like I was not a funny kid.
Speaker 2: You were funny. You were funny because you were you
Speaker 2: were very funny. You were funny. I don't know if
Speaker 2: you were funny on purpose, funny just because you're funny,
Speaker 2: you were just a goof.
Speaker 1: Yeah I didn't. I didn't. I was never like funny
Speaker 1: in school. Like, I didn't have friends, I didn't have
Speaker 1: I didn't have anyfluence I got was. I didn't find
Speaker 1: my funny. I think until later in life, like fifteen sixteen. Well,
Speaker 1: when I finally started drinking. Oh I see, I had
Speaker 1: the confidence to become funny.
Speaker 2: Well, now you've got the confidence become funny and you
Speaker 2: don't drink.
Speaker 1: I know what a nightmare and what fresh hell.
Speaker 2: Nightmare all the same.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it rolls into the next literally. Okay, what's a
Speaker 1: misdirect in life that felt like punishment at the time
Speaker 1: but turned out to be a blessing?
Speaker 2: Oh boy, no comment, come on a punishment at the time. Well,
Speaker 2: I can think about a couple of them. First divorce, Yeah,
Speaker 2: first divorce seemed like a punishment but was a blessing
Speaker 2: because I probably wouldn't be here. Yeah, I'd be dead
Speaker 2: or in jail.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think probably dead. She was going to kill you.
Speaker 1: She wanted to. She texted you that right before she
Speaker 1: killed herself. She said, I've got a gun and I'm coming.
Speaker 2: Remember that. Well, No, that wasn't And she tried before that,
Speaker 2: but I stopped her. Yeah, uh yeah. And then when
Speaker 2: I was in partnership in the electrical business with lou
Speaker 2: Jos two thousand and eight, that seemed like a punishment.
Speaker 2: The economy was messed, and that seemed like a punishment
Speaker 2: but turned out to be great. Yeah, because you started
Speaker 2: so sometimes I guess it's your attitude. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: if you if you're if you can be like rock
Speaker 2: solid and I'm not gonna let this burn me. I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna let this drive me down into the dumps.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna rise above and become something. Just get the
Speaker 2: gumption to do what you need to do. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: don't don't waiver. Yeah, And I mean, honestly, that's about all.
Speaker 1: That's it. When you're like outsider looking in at my life.
Speaker 1: Is there anything you wish I was doing differently? Well,
Speaker 1: all of it.
Speaker 2: No, You're you're chasing your dream. Yeah, right, I fell
Speaker 2: into mind. Mm hmmm, I fell into mind you're chasing
Speaker 2: yours and that's really Uh, that's so special in life
Speaker 2: that you have the opportunity to keep chasing it and
Speaker 2: you keep it up. Eventually you'll you'll make it because
Speaker 2: you are determined. Yeah, determined something, there's something, alright, alright.
Speaker 2: I love you, I love your comfort, and you're a
Speaker 2: really good person. You know, you wouldn't know that how
Speaker 2: good of a person she is unless you knew her.
Speaker 1: On my side of defense, yeah, you wouldn't know it
Speaker 1: because she doesn't act like a good person.
Speaker 2: But no, she is, and she can. She can make
Speaker 2: friends with anybody if she wants.
Speaker 1: I don't want.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, yeah you the women's, the women's and
Speaker 2: the lady they want you.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh man, Speaking of which, we gotta go. We
Speaker 1: gotta go hang out with our lady friends. Oh I see,
Speaker 1: I see.
Speaker 2: I guess that's gonna work real well, let me see
Speaker 2: if they.
Speaker 1: Text you back. Let's see.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, we love you.
Speaker 1: Here great, she said, we're gonna go to Wellington. We're
Speaker 1: gonna grab a bite at the Stay and they both
Speaker 1: live at the Polo Club. So Wellington is on the
Speaker 1: way to West Palm, So I'll just bring my bag.
Speaker 1: We'll go there and then you're gonna uber back. Maybe
Speaker 1: lift Yeah, lift. I love you, Dad, I love you too.
Speaker 1: You're the best. Thanks for doing the pod.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, hours up, Yeah, it's.
Speaker 1: Been an hour and fifteen minutes. What the time flies
Speaker 1: when you're with me?
Speaker 2: Huh?
Speaker 1: Time a piece of shit?
Speaker 2: I love you, I love you.
Speaker 1: Too, the artist way you guys, we're getting close to
Speaker 1: the end. We are getting close to the end. Best
Speaker 1: is I would bet there's two of us left, especially
Speaker 1: after I took that break. I bet the four that
Speaker 1: were there fell off. But you know what I said,
Speaker 1: even if it's just one person I'm doing this for,
Speaker 1: I would keep doing it. And I'm going to keep
Speaker 1: my word. This is week eleven of a twelve week book,
Speaker 1: so we are almost Dune, two weeks left, recovering a
Speaker 1: sense of autonomy. An artists cash flow is typically erratic.
Speaker 1: Creach heard that the market may be rotten even when
Speaker 1: the work is great. So this is something that I'm
Speaker 1: struggling with. Everyone in la is struggling with right now.
Speaker 1: Like you can make the best TV show, and you
Speaker 1: can write the best movie, and you can do you know,
Speaker 1: some really excellent work, but Hollywood is going out of business,
Speaker 1: all right, Hollywood's having to going out of business sale
Speaker 1: because the jig is up on the fact that it
Speaker 1: was run by a bunch of fucking pedophiles. And then
Speaker 1: all these streamers got in the game, and she got
Speaker 1: turned upside down, right, she got turned all the way
Speaker 1: upside down. So they're like, unless you're Margot Robbie, you're
Speaker 1: not getting a movie made. And even if you're Margot Robbie,
Speaker 1: they might not greenlight your movie. It's an insane place
Speaker 1: to be right now. So just having an awareness that, like,
Speaker 1: it's not always a reflection of your work. If your
Speaker 1: work doesn't sell, sometimes it's just a reflection of the market.
Speaker 1: And also like there's divine guidance with all of it, right,
Speaker 1: like's not if it's a no, it could just be
Speaker 1: not right now. But for me, I always say this
Speaker 1: or something better with everything. So I have to free
Speaker 1: myself from determining my value and the value of my
Speaker 1: work on the market value. So you can't think you
Speaker 1: can't directly tie your value as a human being to
Speaker 1: how much your painting sells for or how if your
Speaker 1: TV show runs three seasons, or if it even gets
Speaker 1: picked up at all, or if your book sells, like,
Speaker 1: that's not your value. Okay, your value. Just do the work,
Speaker 1: put it out. The rest is none of your business.
Speaker 1: If I have a poem to write, I need to
Speaker 1: write that poem, whether it will sell or not, okay,
Speaker 1: So whether like it is truly just like, do the work,
Speaker 1: put it out. The rest is none of your business.
Speaker 1: That's up to the universe and that's between you. Know,
Speaker 1: that's not your business. Do the work, put it out.
Speaker 1: Even if it affects one person slightly, You've done your job.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: So I always say that with this podcast. It's not huge,
Speaker 1: but the people that do listen to it really love it.
Speaker 1: And if I can, you know, if I can make
Speaker 1: a couple thousand people happy a week, great, you know,
Speaker 1: great love that you have to make some concessions and
Speaker 1: sense of timing some concessions does not mean total irresponsibility.
Speaker 1: So when you do the work and you have to
Speaker 1: be like, all right, well, I don't know when it's
Speaker 1: going to start paying the bills, or if it's gonna
Speaker 1: start paying the bills, then you have to be a
Speaker 1: little loose with it. But that doesn't mean like completely
Speaker 1: being like, well, falk everything you know that doesn't mean
Speaker 1: totally irresponsibility. But here's the thing. Sometimes I will write badly,
Speaker 1: draw badly, paint badly, perform badly. I have a right
Speaker 1: to do that and to get to the other side create.
Speaker 1: Creativity itself is the reward. To a large degree, my
Speaker 1: life is my art, and when when it gets dull,
Speaker 1: so does my work. As an artist. My self respect
Speaker 1: comes from doing the work, one performance at a time,
Speaker 1: when gig at a time, when hating at a time,
Speaker 1: two and a half years to make a ninety minute
Speaker 1: piece of film, five draft for one play, two years
Speaker 1: of working on a musical. Throughout it all, Daily I
Speaker 1: show up with the morning Pages and I write about
Speaker 1: my ugly curtains, my rotten haircut, my delight, and the
Speaker 1: way the light hits the trees on the morning run.
Speaker 1: As an artist, I do not need to be rich,
Speaker 1: but I do need to be richly supported. I cannot
Speaker 1: allow my emotional and intellectual life to stagnate, or the
Speaker 1: work will show it. There's a connection between self nurturing
Speaker 1: and self respect. If I hate myself, basically, if I
Speaker 1: get stagnant, you're gonna start to hate yourself. And if
Speaker 1: you hate yourself, you're gonna lash out at yourself or others.
Speaker 1: If I sabotage my artists, I can well expect an
Speaker 1: eating binge, a sex binge, a temper binge. Creativity is
Speaker 1: oxygen for our souls. We react like we're being choked
Speaker 1: when cutting off our creativity makes us savage. We react
Speaker 1: like we're being choked. So we come?
Speaker 2: Is that what you say? You come?
Speaker 1: Weeknd? Okay, this is a real This is a real
Speaker 1: rage that surfaces when we are interfered with on levels
Speaker 1: then picking lint off of us, fixing us up. When
Speaker 1: well meaning parents and friends push marriage or nine to
Speaker 1: five or anything on us that doesn't evolve in a
Speaker 1: way that allows our art to continue, we will react
Speaker 1: as if we are fighting for our lives.
Speaker 2: We are.
Speaker 1: To kill your dreams because they are irresponsible. Is to
Speaker 1: be irresponsible to yourself. Credibility lies within you and God,
Speaker 1: not with a vote of your friends and acquaintances. The
Speaker 1: Creator made us creative. Our creativity is our gift from God.
Speaker 1: Our use of it is our gift to God. Accepting
Speaker 1: this bargain is the beginning of true self acceptance. Creativity
Speaker 1: is a spiritual practice. In other words, just when we
Speaker 1: get there, that there disappears. Dissatisfied with our accomplishments, however lofty,
Speaker 1: we are once again confronted with our creative self and
Speaker 1: its hungers, this unfinished quality. Can I rest. Like when
Speaker 1: we're creative, we want We set goals for ourselves and
Speaker 1: then we reach those goals. In the second we reach them,
Speaker 1: we set another goal. We don't take time to enjoy
Speaker 1: the fact that we got to where we were going.
Speaker 1: We immediately move the goal post. And I think as
Speaker 1: artists we are it's not necessarily so much about the
Speaker 1: goal and the greed of attaining the goal. Whether it's
Speaker 1: an oscar, an emmy, whatever it is, a you know,
Speaker 1: a fucking stamp of approval from your mom, whatever the
Speaker 1: thing is, we want more and more because as creatives,
Speaker 1: we can't rest. We can't stagnate. If we stagnate, then
Speaker 1: like the creativity, the channel gets shut down.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: It's just like a channel on a radio. If you're
Speaker 1: going between channels and one hits and one doesn't, and
Speaker 1: then you stay at the one. The one that's hitting
Speaker 1: is you creating, right, and then the one that's static
Speaker 1: you stay there. That's there's nothing flowing in or out.
Speaker 1: And you stay there for too long. You're just there,
Speaker 1: you know. So you got to get out of that.
Speaker 1: You got to get out of that in between as
Speaker 1: soon as you get in it. As artists, we're spiritual sharks.
Speaker 1: The ruthless truth is that if we don't keep moving,
Speaker 1: we sink to the bottom and die. The choice is
Speaker 1: very simple. We can insist on resting on our laurels,
Speaker 1: or we can begin anew. Creativity is not a business,
Speaker 1: although it may generate much business, and artists cannot replicate
Speaker 1: a prior success indefinitely. So we see a lot of
Speaker 1: artists do this where they hit it big commercially with
Speaker 1: one piece of work, and then they try and replicate
Speaker 1: that over and over again, and then for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: the magic is gone, and the time they try and
Speaker 1: do it the second time, it doesn't exactly hit the
Speaker 1: way it did the first time, and so on and
Speaker 1: so forth. So that's just proof that like you can't,
Speaker 1: you can't exhaust yourself creatively, especially trying to create the
Speaker 1: same thing over and over again. In short, as success
Speaker 1: comes to us, we must be vigilant. Any success postulated
Speaker 1: on a permanent artistic plateau dooms us, and it to failure.
Speaker 1: This is where walking comes in. What we're after here
Speaker 1: is moving meditation. Okay, so this I love. This is walking.
Speaker 1: So you'll hear a lot of artists talk about their
Speaker 1: greatest idea comes to them while they're walking, while they're
Speaker 1: in a car, driving, while they're doing something. Because when
Speaker 1: your mind is preoccupied with being alert to the world
Speaker 1: around you, then there's like a it's a it's a
Speaker 1: sub mind. It's the more quiet mind that can come out,
Speaker 1: and you'll that's why when you're walking, you'll get thoughts.
Speaker 1: When you're showering, you'll have thoughts. When you're driving, you'll
Speaker 1: have thoughts because you're paying attention to something else. You're
Speaker 1: not nose first in your phone on social media. You're
Speaker 1: paying attention to something else, and then the thoughts that
Speaker 1: are sort of dormant within your creative mind can pop up.
Speaker 1: So if you're having a moment of being stuck, go
Speaker 1: on a walk, go for a drive, go do something
Speaker 1: where you need to pay attention and and the thing
Speaker 1: is everything that's gonna pop up. First, it's gonna be like, oh,
Speaker 1: I need to call this person, I need to wish
Speaker 1: this person a happy birthday. I forgot to do that chore.
Speaker 1: I need to write all those things down so they
Speaker 1: don't come up a second time, and then after that
Speaker 1: the creative thoughts are gonna start coming up. I haven't
Speaker 1: had a creative thought in years. I'll be honest, I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know why.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's the depression, and now I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's a lexapro. I haven't had real
Speaker 1: creative thoughts in yours but aside from stand up but
Speaker 1: like not like oh I need to write this movie
Speaker 1: or I need to write the show. I'm not feeling
Speaker 1: real inspired. Well is to connect the world outside of us,
Speaker 1: to lose the obsessive self focus in self exploration and
Speaker 1: simply explore. One quickly notes that when the mind is
Speaker 1: focused on the other, the self often comes into a
Speaker 1: far more accurate focus. Exercise teaches us the reward of process.
Speaker 1: It teaches us a sense of satisfaction over small tasks
Speaker 1: well done. Life is a series of hurdles. That used
Speaker 1: to see it as a series of obstacles with or roadblocks.
Speaker 1: Now that they're now they're hurdles and challenges. How well
Speaker 1: am I taking them? An endorphin induced natural high is
Speaker 1: one of the best byproducts of exercise itself. As we
Speaker 1: said before, we learn by going where we have to go.
Speaker 1: Exercise is often going that moves us from stagnation to inspiration,
Speaker 1: from problem to solution, from self pity to self respect.
Speaker 1: We do learn by going. We learn we are stronger
Speaker 1: than we thought. We learned to look at things with
Speaker 1: a new perspective. We learn to solve our problems by
Speaker 1: tapping our own inner resources and listening for inspiration, not
Speaker 1: from others, but from ourselves by denfinition. Exercise is the
Speaker 1: act of bringing into play, or realizing in action, building
Speaker 1: your artists alter. Okay, In order to stay easily and
Speaker 1: happily creative, we need to stay spiritually centered. A spiritual
Speaker 1: room or even a spiritual corner is an excellent way
Speaker 1: to do this. This haven can be a corner of
Speaker 1: a room, under the stairs, even a window ledge. It's
Speaker 1: a reminder and acknowledgement of the fact that our creator
Speaker 1: unfolds our creativity, filling it with things that makes you happy.
Speaker 1: An artists alter should be a sensory experience. We are
Speaker 1: all meant to celebrate the good things of this earth.
Speaker 1: Pretty leaves, rocks, candles, sea, treasures, burning incense while reading
Speaker 1: affirmations or writing them, lighting a candle, dancing to drum music,
Speaker 1: holding a smooth rock, and listening to a Gregorian chant.
Speaker 1: All of these tactile physical techniques reinforce spiritual growth. Remember
Speaker 1: the artist child speaks the language of the soul music, dance,
Speaker 1: scent shells. Remember how much little kids like gaudy step.
Speaker 1: Your artist is your little kid, so your altar should
Speaker 1: be gotty. Give yourself the permission to be gouty, childlike
Speaker 1: and all that jazz. You guys, I'm so proud of you.
Speaker 1: Thanks for sticking with me on this journey. For the
Speaker 1: rest of the besties that are mad at me, this
Speaker 1: is a short episode, Shari, Shari, it's hummer, it's shummer,
Speaker 1: and sometimes we go to your short episode. Okay, I
Speaker 1: love you so much and I will see you next week.