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Speaker 1: Year old career gives you lemons. Throwing some ice mix

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in some vodka is colored a podcast from the Mac

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of All Trade Studio in Fairport and driven by Victor Chrysler,

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Dodg Jem Brahm. It's Bilified the Bill Moran Podcast. Well,

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hello and welcome. Thank you for getting your pot on.

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Thanks for telling a friend, and that's how we spread

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the word. It's nice to finally catch up with somebody

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who we've always been a big fan of. H He

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was the police information am I saying this is right,

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the police information director, public information public information director scene

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got it wrong for the Monroe County Shriff's Department, which

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is a huge undertaking. I can only imagine the stuff

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that comes in. And then he went on he got promoted.

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These deputy been real County Deputy sheriff, Deputy Hurly. And

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I can't wait to see what what other things you

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conquer as you go through your career, coming up on

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twenty years already.

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Speaker 2: I just hit it last week.

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Speaker 1: Oh really, do they do anything like you remember like

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years ago, if you were at Kodak for so many years,

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you got like maybe a camera. I don't even know

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what they did. Maybe the digital camera that they made

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but didn't didn't sell. You used to get like a watch.

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You would hear these guys, Hey, thirty years in the job,

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you got away. Do they do anything like that? They should?

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Speaker 2: My dad got the was it the twenty five year

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ring for being at Kodak kind of and then they

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were they said, thanks for everything, but we.

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Speaker 1: Don't need you anymore. Oh no, yeah, terrible.

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Speaker 2: Uh no, we get nothing. We get a pension.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, that's that's good. Right. Yeah. I mean I

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did thirty something years in radio. I don't think everybody

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gave shit. That's what happens. It's what happens. One of

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the things that is going on in the news today

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and it just has been playing in my mind and

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I was thought, boy, I got to ask Deputy Hurley

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about this, because you know, we see all the stuff

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with Savannah Guthrie and her mom and the stuff that

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was coming out early were the number of people that

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insert themselves into a tragedy for whatever reason. And they

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are writing letters, some of them insane, some of them

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making ransom demands and little jokes and this and that.

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But they're actual, I think, physical letters that I don't

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know where they're going, but came out in some article.

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I think it was The Times, and I thought that

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can't be. We can all say, oh, it's somebody favorite

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and I goes, you know what, I don't think it

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fucking matters, because how many times do we see like,

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you know, elder been on the lookout for eighty one

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year old man went for a drive. We haven't seen

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him since Sunday, it's Tuesday. Here's his license plate, here's

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the car. And sometimes you'll see that, even on electronic

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Science something to that effect. And I go, how many

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false leads do you get? Like like like you know

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their fault, you can tell this, but why what the.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good question. It's hard to explain an

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unrational act, but especially something like this with Savannah Guthrie.

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I mean, she's famous, so this is gonna hit.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna hit bigger right all.

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Speaker 2: Over social media everything, and that just brings the crazy out. Yeah,

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people just are attracted to it like a moth to

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the flame for some reason, and they just you know,

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we see it too, Like you said, even with the

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missing people, you'll get people who call just to waste time.

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And I don't know if they think it's funny or

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what they're doing. But yeah, you know, you just got

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to weed through those and try to get to the good,

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credible ones.

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Speaker 1: To that end, I'll ask you this twenty years on

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the job, interacting with the public, and this is gonna

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sound sort of maybe odd, but mental health overall? Are

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we do you see more less the same? Is there

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anything in you that goes We got a growing problem

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that's sort of the underbelly of a lot of the

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stuff that we see.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I would say it's a growing problem. Okay,

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it's a big problem, though, Yeah, it is very large problem.

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Speaker 1: Always the same though, That's what I mean over the

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twenty years. And I say that because twenty years ago

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social media wasn't as impactful and everywhere as it was now.

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Facebook may have existed, but I think it was for

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college kids, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, you know, I always look at it

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as social media has given everybody a voice, and with

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the algorithms and everything, now it feels like people just

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go down these rabbit holes of you hear what you

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want to hear, you're reading what you want to read,

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and aha, I was right all along. So you find

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these packs of people who encourage each other instead of

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someone going wait, that doesn't make sense, that's crazy. You

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shouldn't think that way. It just feeds it so that way,

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I think it's more out of control.

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Speaker 1: For sure. Well, it's funny you say that because I

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said yes yesterday. I feel like now when you're criticizing

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and I'll call it team, and we could say, like,

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I'm a fan of the New England Patriots. They got

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blown out in the Super Bowl. There were announcers saying

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they look like they shouldn't be on the same field

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as the Seahawks. Right, we can look at that and go, well,

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and I'm going no, no, no, no. Take that same concept and

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apply it to politics. Take that same concept and apply

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it to an argument in the home. It becomes this

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thing where once you start criticizing my team, you're criticizing me,

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and then it becomes like this loaded thing. And I

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really do think that that is a byproduct of social

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media for exactly what you're saying. I can find my

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tribe who thinks like me, likes me. I can block

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these other people. It gives me power and all of

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a sudden, now I don't know what we are. It's

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like what happened to conversation and trying to understand and

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be a little bit open minded and mature. And I

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will say that's part of being an old guy, like

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you just start to see things the humanity versus the individual.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Both of my grandparents one was Republican, one was Democrat,

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and they could have a conversation. They disagree on things,

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but they also knew when to stop. Yeah, the family

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came first, that we could have a nice dinner. It

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wasn't about politics. But you're right, everything now, everything.

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Speaker 1: Is so.

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Speaker 2: Polarized. Yeah, and everything's political. Ye, Like I watch you

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watch sports to escape the world, to escape on that.

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You watch a comedy show, you watch a movie to

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get away from all that. But they're forcing it into everything,

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and I think that's definitely not helping people's.

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Speaker 1: No, And I think sometimes you're right because sometimes what

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they're going to try to do is give you the

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character that represents somebody in your life. And if we

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look back, I mean you go to All in the family, right,

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we could really laugh at All in the family. And

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he had sort of this buffoon and Archie Bunker, who

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was this sort of what would be considered today someone

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on the right, or maybe even a little further on

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the right, and a bigot and a racist and blah

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blah blah. But you could laugh at that and see

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the absurdity of it, which some people were really offended by.

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They go, we're not dumb, Like these people who think

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this way are not dumb, is what they're saying. But

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it was an exaggerated example of somebody. And I think

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they try to do that in sitcoms. But you're right,

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it's it's it's everywhere to the point where you can't

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escape it. You turn on your computer, it's there, you

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open something here, everything's a talk show now right, we

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go to podcasts, podcasts are niche, and you've got You've

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got all these different things. And I do I don't.

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I don't think it's good for mental health. I worry

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about like my kid. It's it's almost like an addiction

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constantly to be on the phone, and I'm so busy

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and it's he and I most of the time that

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I'm I feel like I'm failing him in a way

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by not taking the phone away, you know, but try

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taking away from a sixty to two hundred pound fifteen

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year old. It's got an attitude.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know it's addictive. Yeah, we're all addicted

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Speaker 1: Mean man.

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Speaker 2: The other problem is, you know people are using that

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as a source to learn.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: When we were grown up, you had to go through

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the encyclopedia, you had to look things up and you

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know reference books. Now it's like, well, you know Joe

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seven thirty two nine says on Twitter, Yeah, yeah, I

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saw ten second video, So this is I'm an expert.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: It's like I always just teach kids when I would

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do drivers out, especially new drivers. It's like, you could

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be the greatest driver in the world. Right, it's other

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people that you also have to worry about.

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Speaker 1: Hundred person do everything right.

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Speaker 2: You can be a defensive driver and that person comes

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into your lane. But help yourself out. Don't be on

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the cell phone, don't be texting, and right, we're all

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guilty of it. Again. You talk about the muscle memory

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and the reps. How many times have you gotten somewhere

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and you're like, how did I get here?

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Speaker 1: It's a hypnotic I mean yeah, it's truly a hypnotical state.

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but like whoa, I get homeless. That's a different one.

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stuff in your head, and it does put you almost

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in a hypnotic state, and it is sort of scary

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because many of us have done it. But even there,

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I think you're something would snap you out of it

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if something started to go wrong, But would you be

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fast enough well right? And I think that we don't

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do enough, especially here in safe driving courses for this

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kind of weather. Ice is the great equalizer. There's no favorite,

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of Rochester used to take you out to I think

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it was mcc or one of the big parking lots,

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and they basically built a paddock kind of more or less,

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and they would flood it and they'd have you come

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flying in and either lock up the brakes or pull

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up the e brak. And it showed you kind of

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the physics because what might seem instinct actual as the

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back end goes this way, you know you want to

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maybe you go. And how much our bodies lean, like

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say to like my kids and stuff. When you're driving,

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it's sort of like boxing. You gotta sort of keep

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your elbows in and just move your elbows because that's

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going to pull the weight. Don't shift your whole body,

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you know it's that. Or if something's flying at you,

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don't duck. There's a windshield there, all right, But we don't.

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We're thinking of these instinctual things. And I did one

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of those courses many many many years ago, and I

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still think it was one of the best things I

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ever did. And I'm coming home after New Year's and

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I happen to hit just a snow squaw coming through

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Victor and I'm coming down Turk Hill and the big

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part of Turk Hill in Parenton, and I start to

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lose control of the car and there's cars coming up

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the other way, and I had I was on the

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phone but through blue and stuff, and I'm and my

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mother's on the phone and I go, don't talk, but

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don't hang up. I might I might need something. And

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at the end she goes, I wish I wish you had.

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I wish I had taped this phone call. I said, yeah,

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it would been great because my father used to call

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it self help. I just kept saying fuck over and

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over and over and fuck fuck and you know, but

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you knew to turn the car certain way as it

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fishtailed out and I was able to get control of it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to experience it, and that's where you

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how do I correct that? And just getting those reps. Yeah,

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you know that being said, make sure you do it

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somewhere safe and have permission. But we would, we would

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do that, and you just get the feel for the

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car and how it's going to do. Because front wheel drive,

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rear reel drive, four wheel drive. They're all different, you know,

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and again none of them are perfect. The amount of

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people in big trucks with four wheel drives off the

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road on the expressways all the time. Like I got

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four wheel drive, it's not a four wheel slick.

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Speaker 1: I got you you're a cowboy and yeah, you know,

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hey man, I got four wheel drive. I'll see people.

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I know how much has the you're in uniform with

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the Monroe County Sheriff the but the body cam? How

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has that changed things? And I would say almost for

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the better, because again we're gonna go on somebody's memory.

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The officer was mean to me, gruff to me, whatever,

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or this other person said, and you can go back

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and go I was standing right there, and here's a transcript,

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here's the body camera footage.

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Speaker 2: And you know, again it's it's perceived, you know, the

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deputy said something, or they took it one way. But

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the beauty of the body cam is just that you

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can you can watch it back and see, Okay, well

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that's not what they said, or you know, maybe I

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can see where you could take it that way, but

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that that's not what happened. And I would say that

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they're great, Uh, you know, for our recollection as well

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of a sorts or or for me now as being

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a supervisor. You know, someone calls and complaints or or

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the deputies have to use force on somebody to an

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effect or arrest. I can now I've watched that to

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make sure number one, that they're doing what they're supposed

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to do and that they did it the correct way right,

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and then you know, you can review all that and

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then when people call in exactly like you said, oh,

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you know the deputy said this, or the deputy said that.

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A lot of times you're like, okay, well come on in,

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we'll watch the body cam. Click they hang right out, oh,

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because you know they know they're reliant. But no, it's

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it's been fantastic. It's yeah, we haven't had anything I

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would say to hide for the twenty years I've been here.

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And it just goes to show people that, well, if.

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Speaker 1: People understood one thing about this job, what would you

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want it to be. If there's a misconception you'd like

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to have a race m I guess, or even a

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truth you wish the public kind of understood better.

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Speaker 2: That we're here to help, right, we're a part of

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this community. We're not. We're not people from outside who

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you know, are here to bully people or do any

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of that. We're citizens who live in this community, where

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your neighbors, where your friends were, your family were people, right,

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you know. I think it would be also that we

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don't make the law, we enforce it. We don't always

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agree with all the laws. But job. Yeah, so if

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you don't like the law, write your congress people. They're

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the ones that can change that, not us, you know,

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and we're approachable. I think that's a that's a big

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misconception too, is that you know, we're we're just out

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looking to arrest people and you know, take them to

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jail or write them a bunch of tickets. And that's

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not true. There's it's safety. We're here for people's safety.

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Speaker 1: R H. Well landing on this one, like, uh, what

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is one thing that you learned about people in this

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job that surprised you? I guess would be the the

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thing that I'd want to know surprised you that you

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were like, you know, was there anything in terms of

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like just the collection of humanity that most people because

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I think most things are coming from one space, especially

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in the situation you see and I would say that's fear.

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If you get to the bottom of it. It's anger

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described disguised as fear. It's fear for sure. In it.

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Speaker 2: You know, the job is the job, and we covered

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how people call when they're it and fear or they're

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having their worst day. A few years ago, for me,

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I became a community engagement deputy where it was more

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I don't say officer friendly, but it was more of

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an educational role and going out and not dealing with

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people on their worst day. And that that was eye

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opening because you're dealing with people who want you to

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come and speak to their group or you know, interact

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with them. And it was good to see because life,

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again is perception, and if all you see all the

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time is the bad, right, you start to get jaded

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and think that the whole world is bad and it's not.

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And you know, remembering that even though that's that person's

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worst day, they're not necessarily a bad person. So I

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guess that's they're seeing this the scale spectrum of different things.

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Speaker 1: Reserving judgment yep, yeah, I mean we often hear like,

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don't judge it, and I go, I'm an idiot. I

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guess because I'll say, well, I'm not so sure about that.

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And here's why. It's an instinct, right. Sometimes if I

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see something and I go the opposite direction, that's a judgment,

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and there's a reason why. And I'm not sure that

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judging is necessarily wrong judging to exclude judging, for I

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get it right, Not that treating somebody who haven't even

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talked to as though they're not human okay, shitty. But

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I think judging in a situation is there. And I think,

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you know, hearing you, I think as a police officer,

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I'll reserve that a little bit to you fully hear

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the person.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's definitely something that I've learned over the years.

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You know, whether again it's anything on social media now,

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you know, I'll show my wife. I'm like, oh my gosh,

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look at this. I'm like, well, it's on social media,

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so take it with a grain of salt. But there

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could be way more to it than you know. And

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that's just how my brain works, because that's what I'm

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trained to do. I have to get all the answers

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before and people do it all the time. They're like,

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oh my gosh, what do you think about this? And

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I'm like, I don't know. I don't have enough information,

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especially cop things, like there's cop videos out there and

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they're like, what do you think about this? What do

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you think about the shooting in Minnesota'm like, I don't know. Yeah,

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I just know what I saw. It didn't look good.

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But I won't comment because I don't have all the information.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I often say I don't I'm not educated enough

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to comment on that. I do say that because I'm not.

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And you know, that's a vodal situation that is so

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sad and very tragic in all ways. And you know, again,

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look at it from the perspective that you want. You'll

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find your tribe. Absolutely they'll support your opinion, and let's

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do that. But in the end, you know, people are

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not here anymore. And yet at the same time I

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have said this and I will I know, I keep saying, well,

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I ended on this. I would say to somebody, I'm

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not sure that anybody in those situations would have done

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anything different. And I know that people will go, well,

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how can you say that, I go, I've never been

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in a situation where my job is to de escalate

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something and somebody in a scrum screams gun, gun, gun,

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to a you know, alert, and it happens to me

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and the guy's waistband allegedly or whatever, and it's not

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out and being displayed. But I don't know what that's like,

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and I don't know what that means. And I know

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I'm sorry that it even came to that point. I gotcha.

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But the fact is, in those moments, I believe the

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one commonality is fear on both sides, absolutely right. And

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so you know, a car's coming at me, we can

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see from all angles. Maybe it wasn't. That person in

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the car was scared and trying to leave and didn't

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even take their partner with them, So we have fear there.

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And then the other person has a history of something

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happening to them before or with an automobile in a

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situation similar, pulls the trigger right right, and and I go,

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would you do anything differently? I don't know.

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Speaker 2: And that's that's what's hard, because.

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Speaker 1: I think people get angry when I say things like that,

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because I'm you're defending. I don't know that I'm defending.

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I'm just saying, let's can we try to slip back

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from the emotion just a little bit. Let's take that

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beat and look at it and try to say, tragic situation.

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I wish it never happened. I wish we never got

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to this point. We're here now. You know. I often

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say things like I'm living the life, not the life

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I planned, but it's the life I'm in. So what

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am I gonna do?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? And it's uh, it's tragic, worst day for everybody around.

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And you hit it on the head.

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Speaker 1: The fear.

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Speaker 2: There's there's fear. You know, you're you're responding to a

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school shooting. Fuck, and that that's the worst possible Semaria. God,

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you know you're thinking of all the things that could

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happen and what's going on. You gotta save those kids.

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But then in the back your mind too, you're thinking,

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oh my god, what's the media going to say? And

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if if I do X and Y, how's that going

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to be portrayed? Even if I'm trying to do the

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right thing, there it's gonna go. And that all gets

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into your head.

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Speaker 1: You know what drives me most of those situations, This

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is the man all the parents that show up, And

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that's part of it.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, having a plan for no like all the.

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Speaker 1: Parents that show up. And I understand and I will

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tell you many many, many years ago. Now a drug

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deal gombad people out of New York City came up

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and they grabbed a father and a daughter and they

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were the wrong people, so they picked them up in Greece,

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dropped them off in the city. Now police are called.

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There's a chase, the sheriff's departments involved, and these guys

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are flying to get out of town and back to

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the Thruway and they're in a chase, and they pull

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off at the exit that I live off of, and

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they come screaming up the street I live on. I mean,

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they're flying. And now it's like officers are everywhere. Right,

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guys ditch a car and there's an elementary school and

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the gym teacher had The schools aren't air conditioned here

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for most of them, aren't. I think some are trying

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to do that now because it seems to be getting

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a little warmer in May. The offices usually are yes,

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and yes they are, or even if it's just a

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window on, but you're right. So the guy has the

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door propped open because the gym gets hot, and their

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little kids and they're hot and sweaty and smelly, and

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a guy walks in and says hey, and the gym

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teacher immediately says to the guy, how can I help you? Right?

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And he could see that the guys, I'm not going

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to say, in an agitated state, but he's in an

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elevated state. He's being chased, right, he's amped up. Yeah.

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Guy walks and says, all right. He goes, can you

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call me a cap. I'm looking for a cap. I

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need to get. I need out of my car, broke

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down whatever, the guy says. So they bring them up. Well,

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now the swat team and everybody's there and they don't

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know what's going on, Like no one knows what the

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person who has now walked into the school was involved

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in a high speed chase. There were three guys in

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the car. They don't know where the other two are.

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And the SWAT team shows up and it's in a

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more affluent area of our town, is Pittsford, And so

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they climb up. They're in trees, they've got the guns

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that are all pointed. They don't know what's coming understood.

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The neighborhood is buzzing and we're seeing all the officers around.

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And I had built a sunroom that faced the street

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that the high speed chase is on. I'm just sitting

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there and I'm watching, and I'm here, what's going on?

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What's going on? So I call somebody I know who

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works in television news. They give me what they know,

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and all of a sudden, I'm hearing some chatter and

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a bunch of the moms are going to walk up

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to the school and I go, don't do that. And

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I'm told why not? And I go, because you're a

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cholesterol I go. You know what cholesterol does. It gets

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in the way, it blocks stuff. I go. These guys

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are trained. I go, yeah, but I don't want to, like,

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I go, make it a bit, okay, we want to

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make it less on the kids. Let's not make it

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a big deal. You know what I mean. Well, I

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got it. But to have this, oh my god, I'm

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so happy, Johnny. It like only elevates the kid a

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little bit. In a situation where they didn't know. My

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middle son, who's now twenty four, was in second grade

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and the teacher I saw her because I went and

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got pizza. And we're having kind of a block party

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after that, which was great for me. I got to

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drink when the neighbors and that was fine, but everybody

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was very high and I ran into her and she

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said to me, oh my god. I looked out and

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I see, you know, assault rifles basically pointed at the doors,

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and she said, So I got the kids on the ground,

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I turn off the lights, I lowered the shades, and

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I read to them. And then she started crying. And

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so I'm giving the second grade teacher a hug and

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all this stuff. And I was like, that's a great

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way to handle it. But all the parents that get

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up there, what are you gonna do? What are you

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gonna do? Nothing?

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Speaker 2: What is that what I'm saying? I mean, you're gonna

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take away reasons even if you.

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Speaker 1: Say to me, I have a gun. Okay, have you

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been in this situation like this? How when was the

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last time you went to the rains? Because I guarantee,

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and I know it sounds kind of shitty. And at

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the time I was married, and it became kind of

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a bon of contention that I had this opinion. But

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I do. I go, they're the ones there. I My

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job is afterwards we can talk about it, try to

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what's the term process it? I got that, but in

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the moment, I'm not the guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it's definitely hard, right. I see both sides.

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I see the stress. I see the you know, need

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to take care of and you know, protect your child.

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But I also see the operation side of it, where

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now you're cholesterol.

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Speaker 1: That they're cholesterol, you get away.

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Speaker 2: You're going to take away resources from what we're doing

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to tell missus.

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Speaker 1: Jones, shut your mouth right, they can't hear us inside.

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Now we're trying to talk this guy down.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I'll give you a perfect example is

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one of the worst case scenarios is an off duty officer.

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Because I'm a cop, I trained, I know how to

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do this. I got my gun, my kids in there,

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I mean, my Bahama shorts and my tank top. And

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here's the thing that people don't think about is we

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don't know all the time what's going on. So we see,

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we're high stressed, we're trying to figure all this out,

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and then there's a person with a gun in somewhere

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where we know there's a person with a gun trying

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to hurt people. That's just setting the tone for bad

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Okay's movie.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 2: So just you know you can come there. That's where

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we've gotten a lot better at having you know, uh,

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staging areataging areas and I don't even connect people. Yeah,

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you know. And then you could say, there, we'll get

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you as much information as we can while we can

526
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and all that, but it's it's keeping people out of

527
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trying to get into this and and adding to it, right,

528
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you're adding either more victims or more hostages like that

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doesn't help anybody, No.

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Speaker 1: And it's like you're you literally are. I have no

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other way to say, you're cholesterol. That's just let's not

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be cholesterol.

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Speaker 2: And that's where I always tell people. Our job is

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we are the colm yes and the crazy in the hectic.

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It's our job to be the calm and the rational.

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It's hard sometimes, but that's our job. And my job

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is also help you be a little more calm, and

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I do that by staying calm.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, you don't mirror me. What a good way

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to add that. Yeah, that was a good very nice

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Deputy Hurly, thank you for your time. I appreciate it.

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I love conversations like this because it's not just about

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the police and crimes but more about humanity. And I

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think there's some value in what you've said. For anybody

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who's a parent or just walking through the world right

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give them a little something.

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Speaker 2: Thanks you, so it's always a pleasure.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you, nice to see you again. I'm Bill Moran.

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We'll see you tomorrow. See if they were looking bora

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Cana night with Tanna, see me