Speaker 1: A lot of the vets speaking out this week, a
Speaker 1: lot of vet's unhappy with the direction of not just WWE,
Speaker 1: but modern wrestling as a whole. Kevin Nash spoke on it,
Speaker 1: RVD spoke on it. Obviously, Bischoff had his two cents.
Speaker 1: Who else threw out a fucking Jonathan coachman. I mean,
Speaker 1: for whatever his opinion's worth as far as wrestling goes,
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of been a unanimous thing that the
Speaker 1: direction of WWE right now, obviously being the blanket professional
Speaker 1: statement of all wrestling is uh is not good.
Speaker 2: It's bad. Well, well, I don't know if you knew
Speaker 2: this or if you got to hear that exact clip,
Speaker 2: but Conrad basically led Bischoff to admitting slash agreeing with
Speaker 2: the fact that Roman Reigns is the most push an
Speaker 2: overrated wrestler. Yeah time, no, no, I read that earlier.
Speaker 1: I didn't actually listen to it, but I did read
Speaker 1: his comments about it, and you're not wrong. But I mean,
Speaker 1: think about it like this, how poorly is Roman pushed?
Speaker 1: When naysayers, when people that would typically fall in line
Speaker 1: are the ones to agree with us, Now, do you
Speaker 1: know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: How badly is the system broken when the worst examples
Speaker 1: of human advice are the one synonymous with all of us.
Speaker 2: Now, well, I mean it just it makes me laugh
Speaker 2: because it makes me cry. Dude.
Speaker 1: It means that this whole shit is so much worse
Speaker 1: than even we're seeing it. It's kind of like, how
Speaker 1: badly does a system need to be broken when both
Speaker 1: sides of the political debate agree that it's broken?
Speaker 2: You know? Now, well, Mish, let's not get into anything political,
Speaker 2: because you are a saint for putting up with me.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, I know, It's okay, I'm a jime.
Speaker 2: I'm just huge pussy.
Speaker 1: I just I just mean the political course of a
Speaker 1: w versus WWE because there's no other wrestling companies in
Speaker 1: the world, Joe.
Speaker 2: That is well, I mean, I guess, yeah, fair enough,
Speaker 2: but no, like, it's just it's fucking hilarious to me
Speaker 2: that what what are we going to do this game now?
Speaker 2: Ten years after the fact were's good doing? So maybe
Speaker 2: it just so happens per chance Roman reigns is over
Speaker 2: pushed and force fed. Right, what what you're making things up?
Speaker 2: That's not Where did that idea come from? Oh? I
Speaker 2: don't know, Mark.
Speaker 1: Promotionpiro was quoted this week by the Way Wrestling Soup.
Speaker 1: I'm Anthony, he's Joe. It is Thursday. It's actually nice out.
Speaker 1: I want to bitch about the weather, but uh, it's
Speaker 1: been pretty good for the last couple of days. I
Speaker 1: don't know about you. I know a lot of people
Speaker 1: have been bitching about rain, but back and forth.
Speaker 2: One day funny, next day rainy.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's usually in the morning. It's usually shitty in
Speaker 1: the morning, and then by the time fucking eleven rolls around,
Speaker 1: you're already on the road doing shit. But so Mark Shapiro,
Speaker 1: Mark Shapiro, leader Lord of w w E. He said
Speaker 1: during the shareholders meeting, if TKO was not chasing every
Speaker 1: last hour, Mark Shapiro did an earnings call for TKO,
Speaker 1: and he said that they have two focuses right now,
Speaker 1: the fan experience and profitability and not necessarily in that order.
Speaker 2: No, no way.
Speaker 1: I mean, if that isn't the Stephanie McMahon quote, I
Speaker 1: don't know what the fuck is out, you know, it's
Speaker 1: just the fan experience and profitability and not in that order.
Speaker 2: Fuck, oh my god. It's it's quite literally like we're
Speaker 2: at the point where like you said, like a Stephanie
Speaker 2: McMahon quote. At least Stephanie tried to lie. She tried
Speaker 2: to lie. No, no, no, no, she didn't, but she hid
Speaker 2: that ship. She hid it.
Speaker 1: That's the difference is so she didn't lie. I do
Speaker 1: believe when Stephanie spoke at those business conferences, she was
Speaker 1: being one hundred percent true to herself. Even when she
Speaker 1: was doing the Four Moms podcasts or whatever the fuck
Speaker 1: that was called with her and the other business female CEOs,
Speaker 1: she would say some pretty off the wall shit, and
Speaker 1: I do believe that everything she said she felt was true.
Speaker 1: I don't think Stephanie McMahon is a liar, but she
Speaker 1: has enough wherewithal to go back and go scrub this,
Speaker 1: scrub it all, get it off, make it.
Speaker 2: Go away, make it go away exactly. Yeah, she's she's
Speaker 2: that knocked off the internet, like the Little Zan's album
Speaker 2: and the first Tony Hitchcliff fucking comedy special, Like they're
Speaker 2: all getting wiped off the internet. They're smart enough to
Speaker 2: know to do.
Speaker 1: Or like Becky Lynch's comment about Dominic Mysterio and Live Morgan.
Speaker 2: Oh they got get rid of that.
Speaker 1: Which is it's it's even more super I was talking
Speaker 1: with good mic Work and he's like, ah, this is bullshit, Like,
Speaker 1: there's no way that they fucking did that. How do
Speaker 1: you know it's not w WE that did that, right,
Speaker 1: and it's fair right, So Netflix scrubbed the comments. Well, actually,
Speaker 1: you know, I think I still have it. No, yeah, that's.
Speaker 2: So funny to me that they took that off, because
Speaker 2: it's just just some extent. What is somebody gonna wash
Speaker 2: back raw and you're gonna hear Becky make some comment,
Speaker 2: be like that sex with each other, you know, like
Speaker 2: that's the that's the big worry. You actually have the audio,
Speaker 2: but your turn you can't hear it. No, no, it's not.
Speaker 2: That's all right. That's because it's that's because they've blocked
Speaker 2: it out. God damn, that's just blocked for you, not
Speaker 2: for everybody else. Yeah, I have to I have to
Speaker 2: scan my ID.
Speaker 1: But what I was trying to say was Netflix blocked
Speaker 1: it out and they censored it off the replays. But
Speaker 1: on WWE's own YouTube channel they have it there. They
Speaker 1: have it in a three minute clip. Yeah that's still there.
Speaker 2: So explain.
Speaker 1: But that again, this goes to things like t k O.
Speaker 1: This goes to things like Netflix. Netflix. This is all
Speaker 1: that overpacification or pascifization. It's all like this catering to
Speaker 1: sponsors and money. And when it comes to WWE YouTube,
Speaker 1: I think that's just run by a different part of
Speaker 1: the company that just doesn't give a fuck about those things.
Speaker 1: And yes, WWE YouTube has censored a lot of ship
Speaker 1: in the past, of course they have, but they're not
Speaker 1: so micromanaging where they think had a comment about dominic
Speaker 1: sleeping around in storyline is so damaging to the sponsors
Speaker 1: that they would pull out because I mean, what else
Speaker 1: could it be? Why else would they have pld that
Speaker 1: comment shoe?
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's just funny to me because I
Speaker 2: the only two things that I remember. I'm sorry, I
Speaker 2: think only one thing I know dom does advertisements for.
Speaker 2: Oh wait, no, I'm sorry. I was right. Initially two
Speaker 2: things Wingstop and door Dash. So were they thinking of themselves? Listen,
Speaker 2: we don't want to throw the good people off at
Speaker 2: Wingstop by making reference to this twenty six year old
Speaker 2: man having intercourse in passing on this television program. Is
Speaker 2: that it's so fucking dumb. It's so dumb, But also,
Speaker 2: at the same time, This is what happens when you
Speaker 2: have the wrestler that speaks organically on the show.
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, I'm sorry for stuttering my words. Guys, Holy shit,
Speaker 1: I apologize. I'll try not to use ten cent words anymore.
Speaker 2: I'm fuck, what was it? I don't even understand what
Speaker 2: word did you say? That was boob? Booby? Yeah, boobs
Speaker 2: with a EWB. That's why. Uh no, man, Like I
Speaker 2: guess that's what you get. That's part of the reason
Speaker 2: why you know, like WWE or not even WWE slash
Speaker 2: t k O. But Netflix is like, we want our
Speaker 2: predictable fucking slop. That's what it's gonna be. Like we
Speaker 2: we don't want you guys to say anything fresh and naughty. Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: correct me if I'm wrong. But they put like weird
Speaker 2: Love Island Desk reality shows on that streaming service right right,
Speaker 2: the ones where people all go to like fuck Island
Speaker 2: and they sit around and get drunk all day and
Speaker 2: you're like your incentivized to cheat on your spouse for
Speaker 2: attention and money or whatever. The fuck. That's cool, but
Speaker 2: on the wrestling show, you can't have somebody say, hey,
Speaker 2: I think you're having sex with your onscreen girlfriend, that's
Speaker 2: at much.
Speaker 1: It's just silly too, considering all the angles and the
Speaker 1: things that WWE has put on the screen before. I mean,
Speaker 1: we were just joking about it the other day about
Speaker 1: the live sex celebration with edge and lead up, but
Speaker 1: yet just inferring to something and just a roundabout statement
Speaker 1: from Becky Lynch is just so offensive that you know,
Speaker 1: we got to pull it from Netflix. From Netflix replays, well,
Speaker 1: this is also too. Now everybody has to kind of
Speaker 1: I guess know this that wants the full spectrum of
Speaker 1: what the show is going to be, that don't bother
Speaker 1: watching it on actual Netflix, and especially the replay. You
Speaker 1: just might as well just go steal it offline because
Speaker 1: there's a better chance you're actually gonna get the interviews
Speaker 1: that they show between the commercials in case somebody says
Speaker 1: something that's not even like a you know, a swear
Speaker 1: or offensive in any of the actual tangible ways, but
Speaker 1: just something that Netflix seems that they don't want to
Speaker 1: put on the show.
Speaker 2: So in that way, you are at least a little
Speaker 2: bit incentivizing people. Like I said, I'm gonna just go
Speaker 2: find this shit on my own time. You know, I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna bother giving you this fucking click because it's
Speaker 2: going to be orchestrated strangely by Netflix for some reason.
Speaker 2: But you know, I guess that's what happens once again
Speaker 2: when you have a dangerous pro wrestler with a hot
Speaker 2: mic like Becky Lynch. Yeah, what a joke, what a
Speaker 2: fucking goofest. But there's a lot of the.
Speaker 1: Old guys are are kind of spazzing out on the uh.
Speaker 1: The newer generation of wrestling, Kevin Nash is the one
Speaker 1: that's all notably in the IWC hot water right now.
Speaker 1: During an episode of the Click podcast, Kevin Nash discussed
Speaker 1: how wrestlers and previous generations benefited from working a high
Speaker 1: volume of matches and spending extensive time on the road together,
Speaker 1: which helped them with their in ring skills. Nash said,
Speaker 1: I was watching on YouTube the other day, or it
Speaker 1: might have just been on Instagram, but it looked like
Speaker 1: it might have been a TV taping from a while back.
Speaker 1: It was totally Blanchard versus Sam Houston. It was probably
Speaker 1: about a four minute clip and it looked like they
Speaker 1: were having a fight. You know, it really had a
Speaker 1: gritty feel to it. I think that's one of the
Speaker 1: things that's missing. Sean said, is it okay that maybe
Speaker 1: the product has evolved? I mean, movies evolve, Everything evolved.
Speaker 1: I was thinking of something the other day. I was
Speaker 1: looking at still of Cody for the SummerSlam main event.
Speaker 1: We always talked about heels and baby faces, and you know,
Speaker 1: we've got a root for someone. But I was thinking
Speaker 1: about traditional sports, right and Ali. No one was the
Speaker 1: heel in the face. But maybe I was vehemently passionately
Speaker 1: cheering for Ali, and maybe you were vehemently passionately cheering
Speaker 1: for Marciano, the Lions and the Bears right Ford Field.
Speaker 1: You have passionate fans on both sides. Nobody needs to
Speaker 1: do anything dastardly for that to have it happen. Maybe
Speaker 1: wrestling just has become like the NFL in that way.
Speaker 2: Is that valid? Is that possible?
Speaker 1: And Nash responded, well, I've said this my entire career.
Speaker 1: That's all good and said and done. But the blueprint
Speaker 1: of a match is somebody's got to make a comeback
Speaker 1: and somebody's got to give all at the end of
Speaker 1: the night. So yeah, I don't know. I mean, I
Speaker 1: understand Sean Oliver's point, and I think that that's where
Speaker 1: there's a lot of breakdown for a lot of wrestling
Speaker 1: fans that grew up in the seventies, eighties, nineties, you know,
Speaker 1: is that we've been used to the accustomed baby face
Speaker 1: and heel, the good guy versus the bad guy, protagonists
Speaker 1: versus antagonists. But now we're at a point where, I know,
Speaker 1: a lot of our discussions circle around the idea of
Speaker 1: who the fuck is the baby face, who the fuck
Speaker 1: is the heel in this I mean, even non Roman
Speaker 1: reigns is promo on Monday, it was a shitty thing
Speaker 1: to say to people. It was a shitty way to act.
Speaker 1: Yet people cheer him like he's the best guy in
Speaker 1: the world. And that's where we're with pro wrestling.
Speaker 2: Well, Sean Oliver's thing, I think right his whole assessment there,
Speaker 2: right from the jump, is just kind of thrown the
Speaker 2: fuck off by the fact that when you talk about
Speaker 2: sports rivalries or boxing rivalries, a lot of the time
Speaker 2: that is tied to specific civic pride. Dare I even
Speaker 2: say what nationality, racial barriers? Obviously when you're talking about
Speaker 2: you know, old school boxing and all of the shit
Speaker 2: like that all plays into it. So it's not just like, hey,
Speaker 2: we took two dumpy white guys that look basically the same,
Speaker 2: act basically the same.
Speaker 1: You know how you sugar coated racism. But that's nice.
Speaker 1: I'm no, but that's but that's what the time, that's
Speaker 1: what it was.
Speaker 2: Man Like, Yeah, I'm not like hooray hips, but like
Speaker 2: they don't want the black guy to when they want
Speaker 2: the Italian guy to win. I know, I saw Rocky.
Speaker 2: They keep making those movies. Man, I don't know what
Speaker 2: to tell you, but that's am I do I look
Speaker 2: at that and go, well, that's fantastic or that that
Speaker 2: what a great way for things. No, but you can't
Speaker 2: tell me when Muhammad Ali wasn't was up there talking
Speaker 2: shit and fucking speaking his mind. There wasn't a part
Speaker 2: of him. It says, a great white hope, right, who's
Speaker 2: gonna be the fucking cracker that comes along and you know,
Speaker 2: puts this guy in his place? How dare he talk
Speaker 2: to us like that? Like that's where it came from.
Speaker 2: Like when people try to do that with anything outside
Speaker 2: of wrestling, anything that gets over right, even in the UFC.
Speaker 2: Going back to what's his name, ChIL Sonnen and Brazilian guy.
Speaker 2: Now I'm blinking on his name, but those two dudes was, yeah,
Speaker 2: Anderson Serva. That was the whole thing with them, right,
Speaker 2: was I'm the American guy, and I talked shit and
Speaker 2: I've got this nasally voice and I act like I'm
Speaker 2: Roddy Piper, and Anderson Silver was just like I'm a
Speaker 2: silent assassin. I stand over here and I fight for
Speaker 2: Brazil and else. That's what they were doing, man Like,
Speaker 2: It's all within that web. And that's the funny thing
Speaker 2: is when people try to say wrestling can be all
Speaker 2: these other things, but what they don't realize is that
Speaker 2: a lot of the successful shit and entertainment and sports
Speaker 2: and everything, it's all just stealing from wrestling. It's more
Speaker 2: fucking fake phony WWE k fabe shit than it is
Speaker 2: its own individual thing. People just don't realize that.
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily think when he was I'm not going
Speaker 1: to try and speak for Sean Oliver. I don't understand
Speaker 1: the guy fully, but I mean when it comes to
Speaker 1: the boxing analogy, and necessarily the NFL analogy, I don't
Speaker 1: necessarily think that he was talking about the at home fans,
Speaker 1: But what about the casual fans, So there are casual
Speaker 1: fans that will watch those games and pick aside. And
Speaker 1: how do they pick aside? If you have no dog
Speaker 1: in that fight, if you don't belong to Detroit or Chicago,
Speaker 1: how do you pick which one that you want to
Speaker 1: win the NFC Championship?
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like, at that point you're rooting, you're watching a game.
Speaker 1: Are you just watching a game for the sake of
Speaker 1: watching a game? Or are you investing in one side
Speaker 1: of a team? And I'm not talking about the betters, right,
Speaker 1: Obviously their money is where their passions lie. But for
Speaker 1: the people that aren't betting, for the casual viewers, how
Speaker 1: do they do it? How do casual viewers view and
Speaker 1: enjoy a boxing match if there is no civic interest,
Speaker 1: if there is no geographical loyalty to one team or another.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, well, dude, this is this is probably
Speaker 2: a good example of this. Right. I'm going to Vegas
Speaker 2: for Christmas around that time, right, and at their stadium,
Speaker 2: which I didn't go to because I you know, I
Speaker 2: wasn't going to go to WrestleMania. And every time that
Speaker 2: I've been out there, it's been during the summer, so
Speaker 2: nothing's happening there. I'm gonna catch a game between the
Speaker 2: Raiders and the Titans. It's fucking Tank Bowl, dude. But
Speaker 2: the tickets online for it already are under one hundred
Speaker 2: dollars right in this big, beautiful new stadium the week
Speaker 2: of Christmas, where you think to yourself, it's probably going
Speaker 2: to be more expensive because people are going to be bringing,
Speaker 2: you know, relatives into town and hey, we're going to
Speaker 2: take you to the game. But people know that both
Speaker 2: of these fucking teams stink. So when I go to it,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, all right, Like you said, who am
Speaker 2: I going to root for for this? Which seem do
Speaker 2: I think is going to win? And I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: I just watched the whole Netflix series on quarterback if
Speaker 2: in the you know, the quarterback for the Titan seems
Speaker 2: like a good kid, so I'm going to root for him. Wow,
Speaker 2: just okay, all right, But that's what I'm saying. Like
Speaker 2: I watched the TV show and like I got an idea.
Speaker 1: I was looking at it, right, I figured most people
Speaker 1: would have watched how they've done over the year. Most
Speaker 1: people would have paid attention to how they got to
Speaker 1: that to that game they would have paid attention to
Speaker 1: their season. They would have looked at their athletes, the
Speaker 1: would have looked at their big plays, and then they
Speaker 1: would have made a decision based on the way they
Speaker 1: feel from that, not because somebody was in a fucking
Speaker 1: tuna fish commercial or some shit and they fucking made
Speaker 1: them laugh. Like I mean, I guess, I guess that's
Speaker 1: a reason as far as any other. I just thought
Speaker 1: there was a little bit more depth to it.
Speaker 2: You know, well that their seasons, both of these teams individually,
Speaker 2: their seasons are of no consequence to me as a
Speaker 2: New England fan. But there's really it doesn't play into
Speaker 2: anything Scott's saying that it's too much research.
Speaker 1: Dude, you go to you watch any of these games,
Speaker 1: especially in the playoffs and stuff, they give you an
Speaker 1: hour documentary before the game even starts on both teams.
Speaker 2: Like they really. I mean, it's not like the.
Speaker 1: Nineties and the eighties where it's like, oh, game starts
Speaker 1: at twelve, good luck, motherfucker, and it's like, who are
Speaker 1: these people now?
Speaker 2: They now they give.
Speaker 1: You backgrounds and personal stories and all you know, his
Speaker 1: Grandma's going to be at the game. It's their first
Speaker 1: game to see him since he was in college. Like,
Speaker 1: it's just it's just tons of this conjecture and so
Speaker 1: it's like, I can understand making up your your feelings
Speaker 1: based upon the history of one team or another from
Speaker 1: what you watched before the game. It's just I don't know.
Speaker 1: I guess I thought it was going to be a
Speaker 1: little bit more well thought out and boxing same same thing.
Speaker 1: I'm sure a lot of other combat sports can fall
Speaker 1: in that too, you know, with UFC and such.
Speaker 2: But man, this is this also once again goes back
Speaker 2: to them showing video packages and explaining to people and
Speaker 2: all that shit that's wrestling stuff. That's all what like
Speaker 2: once again, like when people are like, oh, where do
Speaker 2: they get this idea from? How does this happen? It's
Speaker 2: fucking wrestling. When you're watching shit even like you know,
Speaker 2: I hate to bring it up, you're watching political shit,
Speaker 2: it's wrestling theater. A lot of it is that now.
Speaker 2: It's all shit that if you put a fucking Titan
Speaker 2: tron behind you'd be like, all right, that makes sense.
Speaker 2: You know, people at Entrance Music, you'd be like, all right,
Speaker 2: I get it. I see what you're going for. Like,
Speaker 2: so when wrestling like this has always been a frustrating
Speaker 2: thing for me. And aside from that little reprieve that
Speaker 2: we got that in between time with you know, Cody
Speaker 2: and you know, WWE heating up a little get a
Speaker 2: bit a bit again for those two years when Vince
Speaker 2: left for a bit. You know, I still think Vince
Speaker 2: might be somewhat involved, but that's my own little conspiracy theory.
Speaker 2: But it's because that was a time where wrestling was
Speaker 2: doing the shit that it did well and didn't just
Speaker 2: let everyone steal all their shit, and then they didn't
Speaker 2: use it, do you know what I mean? Like it's
Speaker 2: like you they invented all this stuff, or they incorporated
Speaker 2: it into their own business, and then over time, Vince
Speaker 2: McMahon and advertisers and the people involved in it, and
Speaker 2: you know, Stephanie, let's be real, they were all like, man,
Speaker 2: let's not use that. And then all these other plates,
Speaker 2: like the UFC was like, fuck it, we'll use it,
Speaker 2: we'll take it, We'll do all your shit, and all
Speaker 2: like other places used all of the wrestling fucking tropes
Speaker 2: and their business models and their promotional tactics, and ww
Speaker 2: WE was like, no, we don't need that, No, thanks, no,
Speaker 2: we don't want any of that. And now they're kind
Speaker 2: of back to that shit again, right, and it's it's
Speaker 2: the weirdo corporatization, the overly corporate fucking mess. And you're right, like,
Speaker 2: this has been a week for a lot of the
Speaker 2: old timers saying shit and putting it in its place.
Speaker 2: Stevie Richards this week he was even saying on his show,
Speaker 2: he was like, yeah, the Roman reigns and Seth Ronald
Speaker 2: saying I don't get it. I'm like, thank god, thank god,
Speaker 2: people are finally starting to save the shit once again
Speaker 2: that we've said for ten years. It's nice.
Speaker 1: RVD went on. RVD, of all people who I thought
Speaker 1: would be a huge proponent for a lot of the
Speaker 1: flippy guys and stuff, kind of kind of came out
Speaker 1: about it him. He was on us and he's Salcido's show,
Speaker 1: and he said, you know, when I see a move
Speaker 1: like that, and I guess he was talking about like
Speaker 1: a flipping plancha or whatever the fuck it was high
Speaker 1: dive to a cannonball. I see a move like that,
Speaker 1: I'm impressed and I think, holy crap, that's great moment.
Speaker 1: Take your bower, connect with the crowd. There are so
Speaker 1: many gymnasts now that are taking it to a whole
Speaker 1: different level, doing one and a half or a double
Speaker 1: shooting star press with a twist and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: It's amazing and I love seeing that. But for me,
Speaker 1: it's too much of seeing everybody do everyone else's moves.
Speaker 1: It seems like there have to be three rkos in
Speaker 1: every single match and two Oklahoma Destroyers or whatever that
Speaker 1: one move is called. It just seems like that move
Speaker 1: isn't even special anymore, and the people still pop and
Speaker 1: that's why they do it, because they're just going for
Speaker 1: the pop now. But for me, when I see it,
Speaker 1: just because of my position in the business, I guess
Speaker 1: I'm not looking at it as a fan because I'm not.
Speaker 1: It doesn't strike a happy chord with me. It's like, dude,
Speaker 1: that's the eighth one I've seen tonight. How can someone
Speaker 1: ever have that as a finishing move if every single
Speaker 1: person on the card does it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, that's what I mean. This all is basic
Speaker 2: shit at RVD saying this to people out loud.
Speaker 1: About flying moves too, that's what's mind blowing. I mean,
Speaker 1: here's a guy who who inspired probably a majority of
Speaker 1: these people out there today, and he's someone saying, you
Speaker 1: guys got to ease off the gas a little bit.
Speaker 2: But the funny thing is is if you go back
Speaker 2: and watch Rob Van Dam and Jerry Lynn right a
Speaker 2: match that was considered a spot fester series of matches,
Speaker 2: you know, that's what they were called by the purists
Speaker 2: in the late nineties and early two thousands. There's like
Speaker 2: maybe one dive or two to the outside and if that,
Speaker 2: and there are big moments in the match about changing
Speaker 2: the tie and the speed and the pace of the
Speaker 2: match and who's in control of it and the direction
Speaker 2: of it. So when he's like, you know, oh, I
Speaker 2: inspired all these high flying people and then he watches
Speaker 2: them do it and they're just like bing bing bing
Speaker 2: bing bing bing bing bing bing bing big big bing
Speaker 2: bing bing, Like to him, that's whoa what the fuck? Right? Right?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Like I could completely see
Speaker 2: that and have him go, wait a second, do you
Speaker 2: know how much like I think about like the RVD
Speaker 2: giant fucking flipping Blanche on the outside to bam bam bigelow,
Speaker 2: just that shot, that crazy wide shot that was all
Speaker 2: over television for Easter w for years now. Fucking guy
Speaker 2: would do that, stand back up, go over and do
Speaker 2: it again right now? He'd be like he did that once.
Speaker 2: I gotta keep doing it. That's what happened.
Speaker 1: Keep putting this on the wrestlers or do we put
Speaker 1: this on like I don't know the staff that are
Speaker 1: supposed to be in control of these matches to them,
Speaker 1: I mean, shouldn't they should be putting these matches together?
Speaker 1: But like, shouldn't you have people like an RVD going
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ? Derby, how about you? How about you not
Speaker 1: do twelve of those tonight?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean that we've known this for closer to
Speaker 2: a decade now. That's Aw's whole thing is more and more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so if it happens in AW, it's not like
Speaker 1: they can go anywhere else and do the same stick.
Speaker 2: Right pretty much? Yeah, I mean that's okay. Yeah, well no, no,
Speaker 2: but I'm saying like they could go on y indies
Speaker 2: and stuff.
Speaker 1: But ww yeah, I guess if they're going to a
Speaker 1: garden show, sure, yeah, it doesn't matter. I don't mean MSG,
Speaker 1: I mean Nana's garden. But but if they were to
Speaker 1: like Triple A or something like, would they be able
Speaker 1: to be would Darby Allen be able to Darby Allen
Speaker 1: all Over triple A.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Probably, but also at the same time, you're also
Speaker 2: talking about a form of wrestling that is very you know,
Speaker 2: high flying and crazy. Well what's his name? Fucking Vikingo Bajingo?
Speaker 2: That what he fucking did? Remember him before he he
Speaker 2: got Yeah, he got hurt. Can you believe it? Yeah?
Speaker 2: It's big. Yeah, I lost my smile. I lost it. No,
Speaker 2: no smile, uh no, But that's he got fucking hurt. Well,
Speaker 2: like no ship Like it sucks. I feel bad for
Speaker 2: the guy because I think he screwed up his name.
Speaker 2: But it's like, you know, someone falls out of a
Speaker 2: canoe and hits water. Duh. It's it's seemingly inevitable for
Speaker 2: the way that that guy did all of the ship.
Speaker 2: But yeah, outside of moving away from the aw style
Speaker 2: of wrestling, the main events of w WE at this
Speaker 2: point it's just spamming finishers. It's not even man.
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know what, the one thing I
Speaker 1: will give graces on ae W four, even with their
Speaker 1: their silly spotfest man matches, is that at least at
Speaker 1: least it's enough of a difference where they bombard you
Speaker 1: with sheer amounts right, there's just a since there's just
Speaker 1: an insane level of moves happening in a match in
Speaker 1: aw With WWE, it feels like a lot of them
Speaker 1: are wrestling the exact same match and I don't mean
Speaker 1: necessarily the same as each other, although sometimes, but the
Speaker 1: same match that they had last week and the week
Speaker 1: prior and the week prior to that, and it feels
Speaker 1: like they've almost fallen into their own I guess they
Speaker 1: just their own niche of a style of wrestling that
Speaker 1: they don't even evolve from, if anything, they've devolved. Look
Speaker 1: at guys, and I hate to bring them up, but
Speaker 1: I used to really really cheer for the guy Damien Priest,
Speaker 1: a very innative cat. When he first came in, obviously
Speaker 1: with the bad Bunny stuff and the early Judgment day stuff,
Speaker 1: he was trying to at least put personality in his moves.
Speaker 1: Now it's just generic Big Guy number three.
Speaker 2: You know, it's just and and you don't you don't
Speaker 2: ever want to say to somebody, I understand why you're
Speaker 2: not trying at your job, but you do really just
Speaker 2: playing sometimes, especially in wrestling, with the way that it
Speaker 2: does beat people down. Man, it does make you fucking
Speaker 2: tired like you just is.
Speaker 1: He's tired and injured. I mean, because that's another thing
Speaker 1: that's been happening a lot more on WWE too.
Speaker 2: Physically and mentally probably, I mean, and and let's not
Speaker 2: also let's also not forget for some people get paid
Speaker 2: for a few years and you're looking at your bank account.
Speaker 2: He's saying to yourself, Oh, so I can get away
Speaker 2: with this amount of work and they're just gonna keep
Speaker 2: on paying menush, No, they won't.
Speaker 1: The fucking t K will pull you up tomorrow and go, hey, uh,
Speaker 1: we noticed you're not wrestling as much. Would you take
Speaker 1: half of the contract.
Speaker 2: But if you're Damian Priest and they signed you, let's say,
Speaker 2: to a million dollar fucking contract or a seven hundred
Speaker 2: fifty thousand dollars contract, you might look at him and say, sure, boss,
Speaker 2: and then you don't do anything, you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 2: which that's it is, like you got to think about
Speaker 2: the mindset of some of these people. Damian Priest was
Speaker 2: like a fucking fat por Puerto Rican kid from the Bronx,
Speaker 2: and they're like, oh man, we're really gonna put the
Speaker 2: boots to you and only pay you three hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty thousand dollars a year, and he's like, oh, no,
Speaker 2: more time with more time with my smoking hot Cuban
Speaker 2: girlfriend than I make three hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year.
Speaker 2: Oh this fucking stinks. Oh what a shit life. And
Speaker 2: it's like this, most of the people this guy probably knows
Speaker 2: in his personal life work at a fucking tea mobile,
Speaker 2: work at the bank, or security guards at the fucking wherever.
Speaker 2: You know, like he's probably looking at it going what
Speaker 2: a life. And yeah, he probably came in like hell yeah,
Speaker 2: guns and blazing, doing creative shit, coming up with new ideas.
Speaker 2: He got a big ass push and then they were
Speaker 2: like they they forgot about Dre and he was like,
Speaker 2: all right, you want to forget about Drey, I'm just
Speaker 2: gonna be over here making beats by myself.
Speaker 1: And I know five is right. He's saying that he's
Speaker 1: been taking a lot of side jobs as well. He's
Speaker 1: in the new Marvel Rivals characters coming out tomorrow, So
Speaker 1: I mean really, but I mean that's just another one
Speaker 1: of those things, right, Like that's more just TKO marketing,
Speaker 1: that's more just WWE marketing. How much does he have
Speaker 1: how well is he involved in Marvel Rifles. You know,
Speaker 1: it's not next time. It's not like he's doing the
Speaker 1: Cody or the Roman thing where they have to be
Speaker 1: on screen and somebody has to like do Cody's hair
Speaker 1: for two hours.
Speaker 2: You know it. Work is work, work is work, right,
Speaker 2: And dude, you know this as well as I do.
Speaker 2: I mean obviously, and you clearly have the much better
Speaker 2: voice for it. Like imagine getting into something and they
Speaker 2: were like, hey, you want to voice this character on
Speaker 2: this thing? Fuck, yeah, sounds good to me. Whatever.
Speaker 1: I had a couple options back in the day when
Speaker 1: when Steam was a little less populated, there were there
Speaker 1: were a little video game indie companies that were looking
Speaker 1: for voices and ship I actually tried for the Warhammer
Speaker 1: series back in the day, but I lost out to
Speaker 1: a smoking hobby So.
Speaker 2: Well, that's well, come on now could I couldn't blame them,
Speaker 2: but you know, yeah, come on now, it's the fucking
Speaker 2: Patrick sways just finally, fucking Chip and why would you
Speaker 2: pick down? But you're a much better dancer. But that's like, dude.
Speaker 2: Also at the same time, yeah, if you can get
Speaker 2: in and get any sort of relation whatsoever, and you know,
Speaker 2: find the gig, find a spot. A lot of guys
Speaker 2: are making money, and I'm probably I always feel like
Speaker 2: I'm saying this wrong. The mo cab whatever it is
Speaker 2: for the video games, is that what it's called. Like
Speaker 2: a lot of those dudes, the old WWF fucking guys,
Speaker 2: Jimmy Wang Gang and Brian Myers and those dudes, they
Speaker 2: were making themselves a nice little penny off. Hey, I
Speaker 2: don't even got to wrestle. I just got to come
Speaker 2: in here and do a put on this weird fucking
Speaker 2: suit with light bulbs and do fake power bombs. All right,
Speaker 2: I can better do that. Yeah, there's always something that
Speaker 2: you can find spun off of the world of WWE now,
Speaker 2: but you have to actually either be very lucky or
Speaker 2: very talented, you know. But that's it is, Like there's
Speaker 2: a lot of those people that are gonna come and
Speaker 2: go or they're gonna get this big level of success.
Speaker 2: But once again, it's all gonna come back to the
Speaker 2: Samoans and Seth. It's gonna always come back to the
Speaker 2: Samoans and Seth. Oh.
Speaker 1: I don't know, the high flying moods. I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: that they're not doing well.
Speaker 2: I mean the money and the jobs. The money and
Speaker 2: the job is going to come back to them. But
Speaker 2: the high flying shit, like like when Rob van Dam
Speaker 2: has to lect you and say, you guys are doing
Speaker 2: a little too much, Like, well, that was Rob van
Speaker 2: Dam's whole thing. People told him for years, you know,
Speaker 2: you're a wild and crazy guy. And I'm sure the
Speaker 2: guys that are who are now my age would still
Speaker 2: say this thing. The business evolves main it's it's grown dude.
Speaker 2: It's like it's grown into what a fucking a vehicle
Speaker 2: for people to put ads over and some random rich
Speaker 2: kid to live out its fucking autistic fantasies. It's all
Speaker 2: that's what it's grown up.
Speaker 1: It's not all negative. The evolution of wrestling isn't It's necessary.
Speaker 1: The evolution of everything is necessary in order to prevent
Speaker 1: it from complete death. I think that I just wish
Speaker 1: there was a little bit more of an attachment to
Speaker 1: the way things used to be as opposed to the
Speaker 1: way they are now. It's almost like the fuck you
Speaker 1: has gotten boring. Like the fuck you was really popular
Speaker 1: in the two thousands with your your high flying and
Speaker 1: your death matches and shit, the fuck you was real popular.
Speaker 1: It was like, ah, you like that eighties shit, fuck you,
Speaker 1: We're gonna go jump off a building. I'm sick, Nick Mondo,
Speaker 1: fuck you. It's like, okay, great, and that was fun
Speaker 1: to launch for a little while. But it's like the
Speaker 1: evolution of that has turned into what we see today,
Speaker 1: and it almost feels like there's not much left from
Speaker 1: that eighties mentality, that nineties mentality of wrestling. So I'm
Speaker 1: not against the idea of the evolution of wrestling. I
Speaker 1: just I guess I just wish they held on to
Speaker 1: a little bit more than they did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean it's too People will tell you
Speaker 2: everything's a circle, right, everything is cyclical, you know, like, okay, sure,
Speaker 2: fair enough. But then what you can also remember is, yeah,
Speaker 2: everything's a circle. But some times also things just fucking die.
Speaker 2: They just go away and you never hear about him again,
Speaker 2: and you don't even think about it, and you go, humhm.
Speaker 2: Someone mentions it to you and you go, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: I didn't, I didn't even think of that. That's that's
Speaker 2: pretty crazy. And that's one of the scarier things about wrestling,
Speaker 2: is it sure feels like you're saying here, there were
Speaker 2: a lot of things that were synonymous with wrestling. That
Speaker 2: just they're just gone, and we don't know where they went,
Speaker 2: and we don't know if anybody's going to try to
Speaker 2: bring them back, and we don't know if anyone's gonna
Speaker 2: even bother to. Earlier today, I was talking to a
Speaker 2: buddy of mine who I graduated from, or graduated from,
Speaker 2: graduated with, not graduated from, but he was telling me,
Speaker 2: He's like, do you remember that fucking remember Nelly? Remember
Speaker 2: the rapper Nelly? Nelly sold I think it was something
Speaker 2: like sixteen million records because in my senior year of
Speaker 2: high school, he had like a fucking stranglehold on music,
Speaker 2: like everywhere you went. That's like that summer of me
Speaker 2: being a senior, that album and his songs were everywhere. Now,
Speaker 2: I don't think that guy could sell out a fucking Arby's.
Speaker 2: So sometimes things get gigantic and then they just disappear.
Speaker 2: And with wrestling, yeah, you look at it and you go,
Speaker 2: what about all these tropes and these characters and these
Speaker 2: things that were successful, and he used to be people
Speaker 2: would pick and choose and steal from them and evolve
Speaker 2: and make different characters from it. I don't even think
Speaker 2: that's happening any It's just we find something or the
Speaker 2: corporal fucking mindset find something they like, and they run
Speaker 2: that person deep into the fucking ground until I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't think it ever fucking stops for some of
Speaker 2: these dudes. I think I seen I had to legitimately
Speaker 2: escape in the night. It almost feels like that he
Speaker 2: would still be on that if he did not say
Speaker 2: I don't want to wrestle anymore. Even in his fucking
Speaker 2: beat ass state, they still have him on television. Well
Speaker 2: you know, you.
Speaker 1: Talk about that, and I mean, I may as well
Speaker 1: talk about the other retirement that we haven't really given
Speaker 1: too much of attention to. But brock Lesnar was officially
Speaker 1: uh put on his wrestling tight for the last time,
Speaker 1: and he was on pat show earlier in the week.
Speaker 1: He said, you know, I'm here today to do this
Speaker 1: interview to let the world everybody know that I am retired,
Speaker 1: and I wanted to say a big thank you to everybody.
Speaker 1: When Oba slammed me at WrestleMania, I was like, I
Speaker 1: cannot do this again. I think I'm done, and I
Speaker 1: still had some left in the tank. But Saturday, for
Speaker 1: brock Lesner, that's it. That's it for me in the
Speaker 1: squared circle. I just want to give him a shout
Speaker 1: out to everybody in the universe. It's followed me since
Speaker 1: I was a little kid, all the way until Saturday.
Speaker 1: I was just a farm kid from South Dakota with
Speaker 1: a big dream, the big heart, and a big ass
Speaker 1: chip on my shoulder. And I'm just grateful, grateful to
Speaker 1: be forty nine years old and have been able to
Speaker 1: do what I did in this lifetime. And thank God
Speaker 1: everybody that supported me. I want to thank my coaches.
Speaker 1: I want to think especially to say the little kid,
Speaker 1: I was just a farm a farm kid with a
Speaker 1: bunch of lints in my pocket, and I had big
Speaker 1: dreams and I just worked. I think a lot of
Speaker 1: people nowadays with social media platforms athletes for doing things
Speaker 1: that they don't leave out the hard work.
Speaker 2: It's just kids.
Speaker 1: Stay focused on work and putting the time in and
Speaker 1: good things will have And as far as the future,
Speaker 1: I just want to heal up and relax.
Speaker 2: So I like, shit, he's riches.
Speaker 1: You go home and relax, dude, you go step up
Speaker 1: my tie. But I mean there's another one. You're talking
Speaker 1: about retirement, right, and obviously John Cena, they man, and
Speaker 1: they tried to give John sena the big fairweay wow,
Speaker 1: they did, and WWE failed on it on multiple levels.
Speaker 2: We go back to the weird.
Speaker 1: Heel turn and everything with the Travis, etc. Like all
Speaker 1: of that kind of fell apart, and then they fixed
Speaker 1: it at the last minute, and it just seemed like
Speaker 1: it was a problem, you know, like the way that
Speaker 1: John Cena finally retired out was a long time coming,
Speaker 1: and it felt like WWE made mistakes at every single
Speaker 1: point of doing it. I know you were saying that
Speaker 1: he's leaving like a thief in the night. Dude, he
Speaker 1: left like a fucking trunk Santa Claus out the front door.
Speaker 1: You know, It's just it was the exact opposite in
Speaker 1: my mind. But here you have brock Lesner. Brock Lesner,
Speaker 1: another guy that you would have expected WW to suck
Speaker 1: his dick for years, talking about this is going to
Speaker 1: be his last man, Jesus Christ. Paul Hayman is his
Speaker 1: Lord and fucking speaker or whatever he says. Goddamn Barker.
Speaker 1: And they really kept this on the downlow. And I
Speaker 1: know that he technically retired at Russell, but they brought
Speaker 1: him back in because he's still had contract dates to fulfill,
Speaker 1: which seemed like.
Speaker 2: A bullshit move.
Speaker 1: Just just give him the freebies, let him, let him walk.
Speaker 1: But they didn't. They wanted him to do this at
Speaker 1: Summer Slam, and that's fine, but I felt like this
Speaker 1: is another one of those cases that I don't think
Speaker 1: anybody was even certain that brock Lesni was going to
Speaker 1: retire at Summer Slam. I'm still in a weird state, Joe.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I believe him that he's retired.
Speaker 2: I think the obviously we're seeing it in the chat.
Speaker 2: Dasadi's are probably gonna off from the bag and he's
Speaker 2: gonna he's gonna struggle to decide to take it or
Speaker 2: not or whatever. I mean. I I still think that
Speaker 2: had they even made an effort to build up a
Speaker 2: lot of different guys beforehand, they could have had brock
Speaker 2: do a couple of tag matches and retired him that
Speaker 2: way or something along those lines. And I know somebody
Speaker 2: would say, that's crazy, You're gonna have brock Lesnar retired. Well,
Speaker 2: brock Lessners doesn't fucking wrestle tag matches, so that at
Speaker 2: least makes it unique, you know, like whatever, it might be.
Speaker 2: Now with that said, if I found out that Thesadi said, hey, Oba,
Speaker 2: Femi and brock Lesner are gonna team to be, I
Speaker 2: don't know whoever the fuck has no chance in that match, right,
Speaker 2: Like I would say, all right, I could see them
Speaker 2: paying him a big bucket of fucking money to do that,
Speaker 2: and it probably wouldn't be a terrible way for him
Speaker 2: to go. And but it's still very strange to me now.
Speaker 2: And it's why I also can see why you would think, hey,
Speaker 2: he might come back. Wwe could have thrown a step
Speaker 2: on this and had it been you know, h yeah,
Speaker 2: you want to wrestle the Oba again or whatever, blah
Speaker 2: blah blah, brock Lesner, you know, if I lose Oba
Speaker 2: can I'll fuck it, never wrestle again or whatever. But
Speaker 2: they're never gonna do something like that, because like we're saying,
Speaker 2: what if Prince Sali Boba says I'm going to give
Speaker 2: him fucking three million dollars to wrestle for three minutes,
Speaker 2: He's got to show up and wrestle for three minutes?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but would that even matter? It doesn't it feel
Speaker 1: like that. Let me ask you this too, and I
Speaker 1: guess This kind of goes to the storyline aspect of WWE.
Speaker 1: But when Vince McMahon was gone and Triple H took over,
Speaker 1: didn't it kind of feel like all the old rules
Speaker 1: applied by Vince McMahon were no longer applied underneath the
Speaker 1: Triple H regime. And now that we're underneath the Triple
Speaker 1: H regime or arguably the TKO regime. If Saudi Arabia
Speaker 1: when they do buy WWE, do you think that the
Speaker 1: fans will pay attention to the rules set by the
Speaker 1: Triple HTKO regime underneath Saudi Arabia's rules or do you
Speaker 1: think it'll just be clean as slate? You want to
Speaker 1: bring Brockleisner back, No problem, We understand it's money.
Speaker 2: I think the fans know that at this point too.
Speaker 2: And the people that are left watching WWE, let's be
Speaker 2: let's be real, all right, WWE can just pry their
Speaker 2: mouth open and pissing it and they'll say, thank you, Sarah,
Speaker 2: can I have another We've gathered? That's who it's left.
Speaker 2: You know, the whole thing with Bischoff and uh Conrad
Speaker 2: and them saying the whole spiel about Roman rate. John
Speaker 2: sent me a message He's like, I'm taking a fucking
Speaker 2: bath on Twitter because I reposted that and was like,
Speaker 2: well yeah, basically like he was just agreeing with them,
Speaker 2: and I said to him, I go, well, yeah, man,
Speaker 2: I go, who do you think is fucking left? The
Speaker 2: people that are left for wrestling fans on Twitter? Still
Speaker 2: talking to ship, You're gonna end up with the really
Speaker 2: cuckoo crazy a W people and the really cuckoo crazy
Speaker 2: w W pop. Yeah extremists, it really is, yes, Like,
Speaker 2: do you think there's just regular people. There's probably people
Speaker 2: lurking and reading. Maybe there's some normal fans that are
Speaker 2: like you ruh Bailey who are like you look you
Speaker 2: look hot, so and so there's probably those people, some
Speaker 2: of them. But the people that are having like discourse,
Speaker 2: do you think they're fucking normal human beings anymore that
Speaker 2: are really into big ideas or different point of view?
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess I'd like to think that people
Speaker 1: aren't that fucking pig headed, that they can at least
Speaker 1: enjoy different avenues of their own products, you know. But no,
Speaker 1: I but you also know there's like a lot of
Speaker 1: you know, fucking fake keyboard warriors too, people that say
Speaker 1: shit that they don't mean. You know, they call hard
Speaker 1: asses on Twitter, but in the real world, if you
Speaker 1: were to confront them, it would be a completely different story,
Speaker 1: or at least it'd be a lot more malleable. You know,
Speaker 1: it'd be a lot easier to converse with somebody or
Speaker 1: disagree with them in person as opposed to on Twitter
Speaker 1: or acts.
Speaker 2: Oh no, believe me. I don't think there's any true
Speaker 2: blue Roman rangee hottis that are I mean, are showing
Speaker 2: up to your house with a knife and a bomb,
Speaker 2: because heys, they're just they're just waiting at your door
Speaker 2: with one of those strangers masks and a fucking chili
Speaker 2: pepper follen necklace, just like just a giant black circle
Speaker 2: with a clock on it, one of those fucking nineteen
Speaker 2: fifties alarm clocks. I heard that you said something bad
Speaker 2: about the Boogeyman on Twitter. I'm here to I'm here
Speaker 2: to get you like, oh my god, oh god.
Speaker 1: You know when speaking of Boogeyman, it immediately throws me
Speaker 1: to did you see Malachi Black's new look? Oh no,
Speaker 1: he shaved it. He shaved it off, he got rid
Speaker 1: of the hair, he gave it up. Yeah, he actually
Speaker 1: means he looks like fucking Ed Norton from American History. Now, man, he's.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but bro, his fucking he was starting to look
Speaker 2: like Goro. It was real bad man, He's like his
Speaker 2: his bonytail was regressively there.
Speaker 1: It is black teeth, throw it up. It was fucking
Speaker 1: American History us guy Ed Norton, right.
Speaker 2: I mean I would be I would be a little
Speaker 2: bit worried, uh to be in line with him if
Speaker 2: I was a person of color. But you know, I mean,
Speaker 2: that's that's what happens when you got tattoos all over
Speaker 2: your fucking head and ship too, and.
Speaker 1: What a great way to reinvent yourself too, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, I know, I know his wife is going
Speaker 1: goth girl, which is a totally new avenue. Guys, nobody's
Speaker 1: ever done that before. But you know, he's he's looking
Speaker 1: like a fucking psychopath if he showed up in uh
Speaker 1: t Na.
Speaker 2: You know this is But you know, I at this point,
Speaker 2: and I've been a fan of the guy and thought
Speaker 2: he was lot better than he was ever given fucking
Speaker 2: a fair shake. It's got to be a personality, it
Speaker 2: has to be.
Speaker 1: And they split them. I mean, it was a personality
Speaker 1: point to the point that they were both working a
Speaker 1: different company, So what.
Speaker 2: Else can you do.
Speaker 1: It's not like, oh, it's a couple's thing, because we
Speaker 1: know the toxic couples. You know, when they're together, they're
Speaker 1: just fucking awful, But when they're by themselves are great.
Speaker 1: Good people love them individually, just not together.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you'll you'll go out to dinner with one of them,
Speaker 2: but you're not going on a vacation. You're not taking
Speaker 2: a weekend with them, you know what I mean exactly, Yes,
Speaker 2: that sounds miserable, but I but honestly, I don't even
Speaker 2: know if with her, if it's a personality thing, Like
Speaker 2: I know she had her whole drama when she made
Speaker 2: her twitch stream or whatever and WW so long ago now,
Speaker 2: but it was copyright bullshit anyways, you know, Like yeah,
Speaker 2: but I also think about that where the wall is
Speaker 2: inevitable when you're a wrestler, that her ceiling is as low,
Speaker 2: and it's not because she's short. She was one hundred
Speaker 2: She was like one hundred pound, four foot eleven, pretty girl.
Speaker 2: And how many years are you going to do? Like
Speaker 2: wrestling is gonna find a spot for you, but it
Speaker 2: might not always be a spot on the biggest wrestling
Speaker 2: show in the world, do you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 2: there's no doubt in my mind you could take a
Speaker 2: girl that looks like Zeleena Vega or whatever fuck she's
Speaker 2: calling herself now, and she could be booked on wrestling
Speaker 2: shows on a Friday Saturday across this fucking country. Yeah,
Speaker 2: make a lot of money.
Speaker 1: Probably not, but you know, Big Daddy threw it up there.
Speaker 1: I know you heart Stephanieve occur as far as the
Speaker 1: Latin girls go, but I'd say Selena Vega's hotter than Stephanie.
Speaker 2: For her, I beg to different, Well, I.
Speaker 1: Understand, I'm just respectably saying as far as Latin girls go,
Speaker 1: I would I would put Selena Vega a head of
Speaker 1: the line. She would get her first choice of porridge.
Speaker 2: Got to keep her thick. No, but dude, this is
Speaker 2: this is also we're in a Instagram TikTok, which, by
Speaker 2: the way, like me even putting them in an order
Speaker 2: of that is revealing my age, uh TikTok whatever. You know,
Speaker 2: this idea of just oh my god, it's a really
Speaker 2: good looking girl with like a good body. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: we've a lot of those man like they're they're out
Speaker 2: there and a lot of them are making money. Just
Speaker 2: like here I am eating a scone. Boy, oh boy,
Speaker 2: it's a scone all right? Can I have some more
Speaker 2: money please? And people are like, oh yeah, absolutely, there's
Speaker 2: money for you eating a scone. So let's not pretend
Speaker 2: the wrestling world isn't also aware of this. And by
Speaker 2: that I mean the people that make us should you know,
Speaker 2: that make all this money and give themselves bonuses. They
Speaker 2: look at somebody and just go, well, you're pretty and
Speaker 2: you can wrestle well enough. But we can find more
Speaker 2: of that, you know, we got plenty of access to
Speaker 2: that and do And is it shitty? Because obviously I
Speaker 2: want people to be treated well and like human beings.
Speaker 2: But if you wanted to be treated well and like
Speaker 2: a human being, wrestling is probably not one of the
Speaker 2: top fifty businesses you'd want to pick, you know now though.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you were saying that ninety five, sure, But
Speaker 1: now wrestling is I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, you're not gonna get you're not gonna get
Speaker 2: your fucking leg broken for you know, like it's not
Speaker 2: like it was to that extent, but still at the
Speaker 2: same time, like the kids that go into the performance
Speaker 2: center full of piss and vinegar. They are like, well,
Speaker 2: I'm in good shape, but I can do a fucking
Speaker 2: front flip. It's like, all right, I get line man,
Speaker 2: and it's just yeah, yeah, we got we got that.
Speaker 2: We got plenty of that. You need more, Like we're
Speaker 2: currently ignoring l A. Knight right now, What the fuck
Speaker 2: are we gonna do with a twenty year old kid
Speaker 2: that can't talk. There weighs one hundred and seventy pounds
Speaker 2: and it's wrestled for three weeks.
Speaker 1: They're bringing up all the ice now too. I mean,
Speaker 1: as far as the Latina element. I know we were talking
Speaker 1: about that, and you're talking about the kids and girls
Speaker 1: that look good and that can wrestle. But apparently from
Speaker 1: NXT she's coming up this week to the main roster.
Speaker 2: So now they got to give they gotta give somebody
Speaker 2: a chance. I mean, really, they they got to start
Speaker 2: moving some of these women around.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the women's division needs it right now. It feels
Speaker 1: like it's a little shallow obviously. You know, Ria Ripley's
Speaker 1: talking about maybe she'll be back sooner than later, depending
Speaker 1: on how she heals from injury. If they have to
Speaker 1: go in for full surgery. If they're just going to
Speaker 1: shave off the meniscus.
Speaker 2: I think she went in for surgery. I think that
Speaker 2: she just announced that. I thought they.
Speaker 1: Were just shaving it. I thought they were just shaving it.
Speaker 1: So that's the difference, right, Like I guess if she
Speaker 1: goes in for a full repair, it'll be like eight
Speaker 1: to nine months of recovery again, But if they just
Speaker 1: shave it down, it'll be like four to eight weeks.
Speaker 2: So anything that's anything with knees and ligaments and that
Speaker 2: type of shit, it's gonna take you a while. It's
Speaker 2: gonna take you six months, gonna take you nine months.
Speaker 2: And the stability. Like the reason why I'm talking like
Speaker 2: this is because anybody who's listening the wrong time knows
Speaker 2: I've dealt with a lot of nies shit and I've
Speaker 2: gone and done the surgeries. It sucks, it's it's not fun.
Speaker 2: But also like for people that are real athletes, like
Speaker 2: I'm clearly not a fucking for your ripley, I'm not
Speaker 2: a football player, none of that shit, But like, it
Speaker 2: does change your body composition, it does change it changes
Speaker 2: your walk, changes your stride, it changes the lot to
Speaker 2: have those types of ligament repairs or serious issues with
Speaker 2: your actual fucking tele mc l A C l pcl
Speaker 2: ACL obviously being the one that will really fuck your
Speaker 2: day up. But this idea of even her being like
Speaker 2: I want to come back for you know, eight weeks
Speaker 2: or whatever. It's like, lady, don't risk fucking yourself up
Speaker 2: even more for what September pro wrestling and carry yourself. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but it's the same thing as as everybody else. You know,
Speaker 2: They're like, we need you back. We can't.
Speaker 1: We can't leave this title on Chelsea.
Speaker 2: What the fuck?
Speaker 1: He's fucking awful. We need Ria, you need to come
Speaker 1: back this. We would have fired her by now, but
Speaker 1: there's nobody to replace her. Like that's how bad it is.
Speaker 2: You know. They desperately need they desperately need girls with personalities.
Speaker 1: I I understand that, but that's not how they looked
Speaker 1: at it. Like if that was the case, if personality
Speaker 1: meant something, then l A. Knight would have been champion
Speaker 1: this whole fucking time. Joe, Yeah, I still you know what.
Speaker 2: Similarly, like I said about Alistair Black, I I gotta
Speaker 2: believe that something's up with La and I I gotta
Speaker 2: believe that more than just like and we make jokes
Speaker 2: about it, how they just love shitting on him. What
Speaker 2: did he do to these people? There's gotta be more
Speaker 2: to this.
Speaker 1: I think he's just too crazy. I think him and
Speaker 1: his wife are just actually creepy people.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh no, I thought you were talking about black
Speaker 2: and uh, I'm likely not even married. Sorry. His poor
Speaker 2: wife is just like this blonde girl that's Lena Vega.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, because because they kept getting bounced
Speaker 1: around from different companies too, and you're like, oh, it's
Speaker 1: a personality thing with them, and it's like, oh okay, well.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I think it could be for both of them,
Speaker 2: like I are all three of them at all? Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: well that's that's it is. And you said it I think,
Speaker 2: like maybe a couple of weeks ago, and I'd heard
Speaker 2: it before, but I just didn't resonate whatever just didn't
Speaker 2: stick out to me. It's like being better at your
Speaker 2: boss than you are at your job. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: that is who seth Rollins is clearly sure, you know,
Speaker 2: like if if you haven't put together by now, that
Speaker 2: clearly seth Rollins is doing something to retain this level
Speaker 2: of fucking just absolute love and adoration, and dare I
Speaker 2: even say just? I mean, Triple H is kind of
Speaker 2: he's kind of fucking choke it on it. Let's be real. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like this is like a music let's be it's a
Speaker 2: mutual sixty nine. But it's a little much, and it's
Speaker 2: been a little much for a long time. And it's
Speaker 2: more than likely because Seth makes Triple H feel good
Speaker 2: and like a big smart boy and that he's so
Speaker 2: great and respected and as because otherwise.
Speaker 1: That's not even a new thing. Oh, somebody's sucking up
Speaker 1: to the boss. No way, Oh, why would anybody ever
Speaker 1: do that?
Speaker 2: Oh, that's awful. Apparently he's really good at it. I
Speaker 2: mean he's we can make fun of Steph for Steph Seth,
Speaker 2: for his stupid outfits and his fuckingulat matches. Death. It's
Speaker 2: like death and Seth Steth. Yeah, Steph Rollins. Uh No,
Speaker 2: it's almost better to call him, oh mash, that might
Speaker 2: have been afraid of a slip on my part. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he is Steph Rollins. He's his other wise's wife. Maybe
Speaker 2: that's his girl, that's his baby. You know what I mean, Honey,
Speaker 2: you don't take me out anywhere anymore. I'm sorry, it's
Speaker 2: been busy at work. Have you been writing for me again?
Speaker 1: And Roman and all those guys don't even have to
Speaker 1: kiss up because they've got the Samoan bloodline.
Speaker 2: Oh people, they they're just inevitable, like it's just been
Speaker 2: decided that they're forever.
Speaker 1: They're fucking termite infestation. You just you either got to
Speaker 1: blow out the fucking walls or just deal with them,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: So, I think, what's his name, j C. Matteo or
Speaker 2: fucking Jeff Cobby? What did they what happened? Did he
Speaker 2: get a cat like fucking jerking off in the hallway
Speaker 2: or something? How did he get fired? Corn Cob? I
Speaker 2: don't know. I mean, really, when you think about it,
Speaker 2: for them to fire a Samoan, they must have committed
Speaker 2: a war crime, Like I don't know what the fuck
Speaker 2: that how that came to pass.
Speaker 1: I'd like to think that there's a Samoan cap and
Speaker 1: in order for them to bring in news, they gotta
Speaker 1: let old Simoans go. So it's like an NFL cap,
Speaker 1: like a salary cap, buts you know.
Speaker 2: You have to be sacrificed to the to the wicker
Speaker 2: man or something is that it is. Yeah, you gotta
Speaker 2: be fed to some sort of goblin that lives in
Speaker 2: the lives in a lighthouse. I don't know, man, Just
Speaker 2: go with the woods, the best angles out there, all right,
Speaker 2: go out there, Jeff, be free, Be free, Jeff. That
Speaker 2: that's right. Go on Rikishi's podcast. There you go. It's uh, gosh,
Speaker 2: why did you say I needed to be what is
Speaker 2: the smothered in honey? And I'm a little confused. Oh,
Speaker 2: no reason, Jeff, Yeah, we're definitely not. I was listening
Speaker 2: to some OF's podcasts too.
Speaker 1: He's another older guy going on a little bit of
Speaker 1: a tangent. But there was a clip that I that
Speaker 1: I caught where they were talking about how does Rakishi
Speaker 1: feel about fan interactions in twenty twenty six? And he's like, oh, brother, Uh,
Speaker 1: they always they always want to talk about the old days.
Speaker 2: They always want to talk about about my man, ask
Speaker 2: about exact just want to ask about the US. Oh whoo,
Speaker 2: who was my favorite person to stick my ass in
Speaker 2: that face?
Speaker 1: But uh, And it's like I'm just laughing because he's
Speaker 1: saying this, he's delivering this, but there's almost like the
Speaker 1: life is slipping, the life force is slipping through his
Speaker 1: dialogue like he's dying as he says this, and his
Speaker 1: co host was like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah fans. Fans
Speaker 1: love to hear about what it was like to to
Speaker 1: smash your ass in Vince McMahon's face. He's like, oh yeah, brother, they.
Speaker 2: Cold Steve Boston and the Rock. Yeah, they that's what
Speaker 2: they want to know about with you, dude, Like what
Speaker 2: the fuck?
Speaker 1: Sometimes they'll pull out they'll pull out pictures of that
Speaker 1: time that we were at waffle house, and I'd be like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember that brought out, but.
Speaker 2: That's quite Literally somebody walking up to Horace Grant and
Speaker 2: being like, why do they keep asking me about Michael Jordan.
Speaker 2: It's like, what the fuck else are they going to
Speaker 2: talk to you about, dude? Your geopolitical hues? Where's the
Speaker 2: Hornes Grand rap album? Mask? Fuck Horse? Grant? I just
Speaker 2: looked up your Wikipedia. It says here in two thousand
Speaker 2: and three, your mece graduated as a nurse. How was
Speaker 2: she doing?
Speaker 1: And he's like, yeah, they don't bring up his kids.
Speaker 2: He didn't bring that up. Oh how are your kids doing? What?
Speaker 1: What's it like to see your kids on tv? Every
Speaker 1: like that wasn't one of the things that he brought
Speaker 1: up for fan interaction. It was all memories. It's all
Speaker 1: leave the memories alone. It's really depressing to listen to
Speaker 1: him sometimes, like it comes off as his positive podcast, like, oh,
Speaker 1: we're all here having a good time. It's for the
Speaker 1: old timers. But if you really listen to one of
Speaker 1: those Rakishi podcasts, it's just.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 1: It's a little depressing. Then it's a little end of
Speaker 1: the row.
Speaker 2: It should be. It should be depressing. There is something
Speaker 2: they always want to ask me about what happened in
Speaker 2: the nineties. It's like, quite literally, that's the most important,
Speaker 2: interesting part of your entire life. Right they don't know
Speaker 2: you personally, And like I said, the other question would be, hey,
Speaker 2: your sons are awesome, man, are like they're cool. I
Speaker 2: really love what they're doing on television. Right by the way,
Speaker 2: By the way, isn't that basically what every interaction you're
Speaker 2: going to have with people that you barely know or
Speaker 2: barely knew at one point, Like I was talking about
Speaker 2: my buddy from from high school. It's like, yeah, I
Speaker 2: keep up with them, you know, pretty regularly. But if
Speaker 2: I went to a fucking reunion. What are they gonna
Speaker 2: talk to me about other than some shit I did
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety eight or my family.
Speaker 1: It's different when you're a public figure, though a lot
Speaker 1: of his life is public, so if people wanted to look,
Speaker 1: they could find out random things about Rakishi that just
Speaker 1: aren't publicly or just aren't commonly now, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. It's not like you're looking up some dude
Speaker 1: from high school on Facebook, you know.
Speaker 2: It's I mean just in general, like, what kind of
Speaker 2: a conversation are you going to have other than all
Speaker 2: nostalgia and baseline shit? Yeah, wrestling, and he's also into
Speaker 2: what football too, so yeah, I mean yeah, I keep
Speaker 2: thinking all yeah, I keep thinking of that that kid
Speaker 2: that does the character Mateo. I think that's where like
Speaker 2: just puts the phone in front of him and just
Speaker 2: reads offensive questions and people like just walk up to
Speaker 2: Rakishi and it's like, Rikisha, what is it like for
Speaker 2: both of your sons to be way more successful than
Speaker 2: you've ever been? We're also not getting fat? Right? And
Speaker 2: then he's like, you know I have a third son, yes,
Speaker 2: but he got fat. Like that's like, that's that's just
Speaker 2: what it feels like to be like, what do you
Speaker 2: what else do you think they're gonna bring up? That's
Speaker 2: what it is, man like, that's what you're known for.
Speaker 2: That's who you're gonna be for the rest of your
Speaker 2: fucking life. And once again being the guy that fell
Speaker 2: off the hell in the cell because the Undertaker choke
Speaker 2: slam you off of it. It is a lot better
Speaker 2: than what most people in wrestling are gonna get remembered.
Speaker 2: For sure, was it great that you were to ask
Speaker 2: guy with the you know, the fucking but you he
Speaker 2: exits smashing it into people's face. No, probably not the best.
Speaker 1: Oh, it's hilarious. Come on, we all enjoyed that back
Speaker 1: in the day, man, woman child, It didn't matter. Everybody
Speaker 1: got a faithful ass.
Speaker 2: Everybody was cheering for the giant to moment bum So
Speaker 2: everybody was cheering. And by the way, not that I'm saying.
Speaker 2: You know, he was dressed that way and he was
Speaker 2: asking for it, But the fuck else do you think
Speaker 2: people were going to he knew what he was doing
Speaker 2: with that ass hanging out? What else are people are
Speaker 2: going to talk about him having a giant ass? I know, but.
Speaker 1: We've actually brought him up in a couple of conversations
Speaker 1: over the last month where he could have been a
Speaker 1: positive asset to the USOS. So it's not as if
Speaker 1: the idea train doesn't exist for making Rakishi a viable
Speaker 1: thing in WWE in twenty twenty six, but it relies
Speaker 1: on a creative that, uh, that's a little bit more
Speaker 1: forward thinking than the AI that they're using now.
Speaker 2: So right, but yeah, that once again, also though what
Speaker 2: I've known about him personality wise, juice isn't worth the squeeze.
Speaker 2: I don't want to put up with them. I don't
Speaker 2: want to put up with them. And that's a big
Speaker 2: part of it too, Like sometimes you go, how did
Speaker 2: this person get this gig? Why are they continuing to
Speaker 2: do this personality and they get along with people? Are
Speaker 2: they going to be fucking shady? He She's known for
Speaker 2: being a little bit shady, all I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So one of the other things coming up is Roman
Speaker 1: Reins is going to Triple A. Right, we talked a
Speaker 1: little bit about Oh, actually we didn't. I think we
Speaker 1: were talking about that with Dan and they're going to
Speaker 1: run the tournament and Roman Rains is going to have
Speaker 1: a match in Triple A, and I guess there's a
Speaker 1: WWE has kind of come forward, but the initial response was, Oh,
Speaker 1: it's going to be Rowan Rains versus El Grande Americano
Speaker 1: Big Heiser.
Speaker 2: But apparently WWE reached out and said, no, that's not it. Sorry, No,
Speaker 2: I mean that would be a that would be a
Speaker 2: great way to immediately kill any of the momentum you
Speaker 2: have built behind this guys. Have Roman Reigns come in
Speaker 2: and just run him through his ass cheeks?
Speaker 1: Am I a little dark for wanting that exact thing
Speaker 1: to happen?
Speaker 2: And yes, yes, well shit, I would you want to
Speaker 2: the poor guys.
Speaker 1: I just want Roman Reigns to be hated internationally. And
Speaker 1: I think if you take one of the few good
Speaker 1: things that WWE has produced for an international audience and
Speaker 1: just have Roman Reigns wipe his dirty toilet paper all
Speaker 1: over it, I think I think we can you know what,
Speaker 1: we can start to heal. We could start to heal
Speaker 1: between the Americans and the Mexicans. We can start to
Speaker 1: heal with our hatred of Roman Reigns.
Speaker 2: I was just gonna say, the Americans have clearly been
Speaker 2: way too nice to the Mexicans for the past couple
Speaker 2: of years years. That's we really need to put them
Speaker 2: back in their place.
Speaker 1: If we have a unified enemy in the Samoans rise,
Speaker 1: come on.
Speaker 2: Ah, there you go. It's the American way.
Speaker 3: The Mexicans are they're looking there like, wait a second,
Speaker 3: we know this game.
Speaker 2: Dah ship shut ship. They got us, they got us.
Speaker 2: It's not us that have fucked your wrestling up.
Speaker 1: Its now we just gotta go back to Canada and
Speaker 1: have Sammy lose three more times the Roman reigns, and
Speaker 1: then we can get Canada on board.
Speaker 2: So yeah, you know how fucking funny that would be
Speaker 2: for like, yeah, we're gonna get every other every other
Speaker 2: part in North America to make Roman reigns a heel.
Speaker 2: And of course we would still stubbornly be like, no,
Speaker 2: Roman's cool, it's awesome. Go was like, no, he's a
Speaker 2: fucking asshole and he does asshole things. And Canada's like, yoh,
Speaker 2: he's an asshole Lake They were like, no, No, he's cool.
Speaker 2: He's a chief, he's cool, he's the best, no rules,
Speaker 2: don't you isn't it cool? Isn't it cool? The way
Speaker 2: that he treats everyone like dog shit, that's cool. We
Speaker 2: like cool guys who are terrible to everyone and underperform
Speaker 2: at everything they're asked to do. Always no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2: Canada and Mexico does have it wrong. They just don't
Speaker 2: know that Roman is just awesome and smart. By the way,
Speaker 2: that whole thing with Bischoff and Conrad still still them
Speaker 2: doing that and finally somebody putting that into the ether.
Speaker 2: Roman Reigns is the most overrated and overpushed fucking main
Speaker 2: event pro wrestler of all time. Do you know how
Speaker 2: much it pains me, like into my deep, into my soul,
Speaker 2: if there is such a thing. They have to say
Speaker 2: thank you to Conrad Thompson for saying that. Do you
Speaker 2: know how bad that hurts mynd? I See, I wouldn't
Speaker 2: even do that. I would not even do that. I
Speaker 2: would reverse that reverse Uno card that shit, and just
Speaker 2: look at how miserable, how miserable everything is becoming when
Speaker 2: the people you disagree with the most are on the
Speaker 2: same wavelength as you. Yeah, they're even putting it together at.
Speaker 1: This That's what it is. It's not oh he came
Speaker 1: up with a bright idea. No, it's just so bad.
Speaker 1: It's undeniably bad.
Speaker 2: It's so obvious that yeah, right, you're looking at it
Speaker 2: and you're going, oh, they finally got there, They finally got.
Speaker 1: You know, when you're gonna really realize how bad wrestling is.
Speaker 1: When Dave finally jumps off the AW train. Oh, I'm
Speaker 1: telling you, we're closer than you think. We are closer
Speaker 1: than you think. And I know Dave has been saying
Speaker 1: some silly shit. I've seen PWT talking about it, you know,
Speaker 1: but it's it's not it's not long for this world
Speaker 1: where AW and WWE unanimously have its fans turn on them.
Speaker 1: And sure there will always be the diehards. Of course,
Speaker 1: there's the diehards. There's the chair sniffers, the kool A drinkers,
Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera, sickohs. But it's getting to the
Speaker 1: point now where I think people are sick of watching wrestling.
Speaker 1: Not because people don't enjoy wrestling, they don't enjoy this
Speaker 1: evolution of wrestling.
Speaker 2: Hm. I mean you could call it that, you could
Speaker 2: call it the evolution of it, But like I said,
Speaker 2: I think it's it's a two way straight. There's no
Speaker 2: medium bowl of forage. I always use that. It's like,
Speaker 2: once again, do you want complete garbage corpo swap that
Speaker 2: is like, you're just eating a stale peanut butter and
Speaker 2: jelly sandwich for fifteen years, Or do you want a
Speaker 2: rich kid's fucking weird little fever dream where it's the
Speaker 2: same exact shit as well over and over and over
Speaker 2: and over and over and over again, but it's just smaller,
Speaker 2: less well produced, and long as fuck. That's it. You're like,
Speaker 2: can I get somewhere in the middle there? And they're like, no, no,
Speaker 2: that's just not an option. Not an option. Can I
Speaker 2: get something that's like moderately well produced with some storytelling
Speaker 2: and some characters and people to to gravitate towards that
Speaker 2: are interesting and then bring in fresh characters and then
Speaker 2: you know, kind of reel back on once it aren't.
Speaker 2: They're like, no, that's stupid, that will never work.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, just stick with Hugan and Nash and Haul and.
Speaker 2: Well, well no. It was funny because I'm sure the
Speaker 2: people with Bischoff that are saying, oh, Bischoff can't say
Speaker 2: anything because he was pushing fucking Hulk Hogan for twenty
Speaker 2: five s three fucking years. At least in Hogan's first
Speaker 2: X amount of years, he was over, Yes, he was
Speaker 2: over in those Initially, it's difficult. It's difficult to.
Speaker 1: Take Bischoff pushing Hulk Hogan at anything but face value.
Speaker 1: And I mean that because he's his friend. I truly
Speaker 1: believe they were close friends. So it's difficult for me
Speaker 1: to ever believe that creatively Bischoff saw or didn't see
Speaker 1: the pitfalls that other people saw with Hogan. Creatively, he
Speaker 1: just chose to ignore them, or he chose not to
Speaker 1: say anything about them, because again, he was a writer,
Speaker 1: die friend. So whenever it comes to Bischoff's opinions of Hogan,
Speaker 1: ah like, you're not going to get him. It's kind
Speaker 1: of like with Jim Cornett and Sonny. It's real difficult
Speaker 1: to hear Jim Cornett say anything bad about Sonny. He
Speaker 1: has here and there, He's he's criticized some of her
Speaker 1: actions and rightfully so, but it's very difficult for him
Speaker 1: to do it because he holds her in such a
Speaker 1: high light because he was friends with her, you know,
Speaker 1: And it's just one of those scenarios when.
Speaker 2: And it also makes him sad because he barely cared,
Speaker 2: right of course, you know what I mean. Like, even
Speaker 2: like you said, with Hogan, I'm sure Bishoff knows him
Speaker 2: doing all the fucking N word ship everything. I'm sure
Speaker 2: he looks at Come on, manis is.
Speaker 1: Too fucking smart to be that oblivious?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. It's a choice. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: a choice on his hand. And by the way, like
Speaker 2: everyone that's a friend to you, anybody that's had a
Speaker 2: friend that has done something creatively and you go, that
Speaker 2: was fucking bad, man, That shit was ringe whatever it
Speaker 2: was right, like, oh, your friend's in a terrible band,
Speaker 2: or you're in college and you're like, uh, but.
Speaker 1: Your friends started a terrible podcast.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, I really liked that part with all that silence.
Speaker 2: That was great. Thirty seconds at a time. Jesus, man,
Speaker 2: what are you gonna put on another episode? That's great?
Speaker 2: Can he not record again? That was great? That was
Speaker 2: my favorite episode. Yeah, shocked. So what happened? Oh you
Speaker 2: guys stopped making it after sixth episodes? Why it was
Speaker 2: so good? Uh? Oh yeah, like your friend that was like,
Speaker 2: oh the white rapper in college, You're like, oh, great, right,
Speaker 2: you know he's a nice kid, but you know, I'm
Speaker 2: not ready for his Wait a second eminem is an
Speaker 2: inspiration of yours, right, that's what you're dealing with with
Speaker 2: Bishoff and Hogan because he was somebody that he really
Speaker 2: felt that he was close to, was a front of
Speaker 2: his But now he's got to wear that bucket scarlet.
Speaker 2: H brother, he's gotta wear that for the rest of
Speaker 2: his god whenever he does, honestly, for whatever it's worth it.
Speaker 2: I think Bischoff doesn't mind. I mean, yeah, he's got
Speaker 2: plenty of money. He don't give a fuck, right.
Speaker 1: But that's what I'm saying. It is like so when
Speaker 1: it comes to other avenues that Bischoff talks about the industry,
Speaker 1: and I do try to pay close attention because I
Speaker 1: think on the outside perspective, especially when it comes to
Speaker 1: you know, how these companies make money, how these promotions
Speaker 1: make money. I think Bischoff understands that pretty intimately, whereas
Speaker 1: it's not really discussed about too much. And when when
Speaker 1: they're having conversations about the direction of WWE with Rowan
Speaker 1: Reigns getting over pushed or or being one of the
Speaker 1: you know, the most oversaturated wrestlers on TV, I mean,
Speaker 1: at what point do you not look at it and go, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's some there's some value to a conrad say yeah, that.
Speaker 2: Was true, that was quite literally what happened. And I
Speaker 2: was once again talking to John about this earlier because
Speaker 2: he was taking a bath about fucking the green with
Speaker 2: these two guys.
Speaker 1: Oh, I thought you were talking to him while he
Speaker 1: was taking a bath.
Speaker 2: Was well, rub a dub in the tub? I think
Speaker 2: I was asking what that rubber ducky was behind them
Speaker 2: on the scrub behind your ears, Josh, it's just uh yeah,
Speaker 2: And then he said, hah what Yeah, he's he's bad
Speaker 2: hairy guys. Uh well, Jude, I was watching that episode
Speaker 2: the Dark Side of the Ring, the Newest one right
Speaker 2: with Renegade Rio whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't watch that when I watched The boss
Speaker 1: Man one before that, but I haven't watched Rennega.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I love the boss Man one. Then one was
Speaker 2: so good and so sad. Yeah, nicest, I feel like
Speaker 2: I should always. I always throw in this quick story
Speaker 2: when I talk about the boss Man where it's like
Speaker 2: I ran into him, or I worked on a show
Speaker 2: with him when I was a kid and I was
Speaker 2: video I was running the camera before I was arref
Speaker 2: and he was on the show. And you know, everybody's
Speaker 2: cleaning up, breaking down the ring, everybody's getting ready to leave,
Speaker 2: and Prince Albert was on the show too, because he's
Speaker 2: a local guy, and he came up to him and
Speaker 2: he's like, yeah, we're all going to the fucking Squire,
Speaker 2: which is a strip club right outside of Boston, you know.
Speaker 2: And I just remember boss Man kind of like looking
Speaker 2: at him and giving him like, you know, you know,
Speaker 2: giving him the fucking high five or whatever. He's giving
Speaker 2: a fist bump. Bar right, I'll catch up with you.
Speaker 2: And boss Man stood there and fucking signed and took
Speaker 2: pictures with like all of the kids that were still
Speaker 2: sitting there. Didn't ask for a dollar, but like it
Speaker 2: just I remember at that time and that story staying
Speaker 2: with me because I was pretty young man, I think
Speaker 2: maybe I was. I was seventeen eighteen round that, and
Speaker 2: watching him be so nice to kids at a time
Speaker 2: where a lot of the wrestlers, and you watched them,
Speaker 2: they weren't they had no reason to be nice, you know,
Speaker 2: like they didn't unless there's money involved. They weren't particularly
Speaker 2: good people. But he was. And that's my one big
Speaker 2: story that I remember with him, was him just being
Speaker 2: a good guy. But the Rio thing, the renegade shit, right, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm I'm watching that, and I'm thinking to myself, I'm
Speaker 2: going it's funny because it ties into the whole chip
Speaker 2: of fishoff where this dude came in as like a
Speaker 2: bootleg fucking Ultimate Warrior that they were gonna push and
Speaker 2: push and push up to the fuck just we're gonna
Speaker 2: make him into the next giant, big fucking megastar. Blah
Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah blah. And within a certain period
Speaker 2: of time they said, people don't like this, this doesn't work.
Speaker 2: They stopped doing it. They decide they just decided, we're
Speaker 2: gonna humiliate the guy and rub the paint off his
Speaker 2: face and he's not going to be this character and
Speaker 2: screw it. And they kept bait on it. Right, what
Speaker 2: if they did that in years three of the Forever
Speaker 2: Roman Reigns push, when they realized that no one gave
Speaker 2: a fuck about him in the crowd for years? What
Speaker 2: if what if they decided to do that? And now
Speaker 2: I'm not sitting here saying that Roman Reins' life would
Speaker 2: have ended in a hailstorm of cocaine, tragedy and death,
Speaker 2: But I'm just saying that's usually where that sad story
Speaker 2: ends in wrestling. We brought you in. We pushed you
Speaker 2: way too much, way too soon, and you did not
Speaker 2: have the sauce to do it. And then the people
Speaker 2: that are booking it look at him and go, well,
Speaker 2: we fucked up. See later, there's the door. Roman Reigns
Speaker 2: got a ten year push eight or nine if I'm
Speaker 2: being you know, generous before he came up with the
Speaker 2: tribal chief shit or whatever, right yeah, or the you know,
Speaker 2: the bloodline shit. And they never stopped pushing him, and
Speaker 2: they never gave up on him. And they were a
Speaker 2: good half a dozen or so WrestleMania main events that
Speaker 2: were cheeks. They were pure fucking duke. They were bad
Speaker 2: with a capital beat. They never stopped giving that guy
Speaker 2: a push. And where'd you just thal's supposed to forget that?
Speaker 2: Everybody just whatever, No, none of that happened. Fucking men
Speaker 2: in black mind white pen. Nope, that never occurred. So yeah,
Speaker 2: Roman Rings is one of the biggest anomalies in the
Speaker 2: history of wrestling. Not because he's a guy that he's
Speaker 2: attached to the smashing success of the most popular error
Speaker 2: and the most money that has ever been made. No,
Speaker 2: it's because he's the only guy who could fail upwards
Speaker 2: for ten years, and that was allowed because nobody looked
Speaker 2: at him and said, this isn't working. You're not selling
Speaker 2: fucking merch, you're not drawing fans. People don't like this.
Speaker 2: They just let it happen.
Speaker 3: So the lure and the story and the you know
Speaker 3: whoa the bloodline, it's the greatest fucking storyline that ever happened, right,
Speaker 3: Sam Roberts, You forget the decade before for the people
Speaker 3: that were actually watching at that time, going peu, this sucks,
Speaker 3: and all of the people that that chased off, which.
Speaker 2: Was the creation or part of the big part of
Speaker 2: the creation of AW, whether people want to admit that
Speaker 2: or not. AW was able to help get started because
Speaker 2: people were like Vince McMahon's booking sucks and the show's unwatchable.
Speaker 2: And a big part of that reason was because he
Speaker 2: was forever pushed Roman reigns. Yeah, don't don't let that.
Speaker 2: Don't let that fall out of your fucking memory. I
Speaker 2: don't know what happened. I don't know how everyone forgot that.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's willfully, or maybe it's because the people that
Speaker 2: do remember it, that hated it so much just stop watching.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's maybe that's actually what happened. And that's I'm
Speaker 2: sorry for ranting for like five minutes too.
Speaker 1: That's fine. I mean that's exactly where we're at now
Speaker 1: though too. You know, like you look back at the
Speaker 1: day and now you look today, and how many people
Speaker 1: do you think will still be around by the time
Speaker 1: this gets bought up by Saudi Mania? How how how
Speaker 1: many people do you think will be left that will
Speaker 1: make the transition? And I'm I'm being serious. I know
Speaker 1: this is always a jokey question. It's like fantasy booking
Speaker 1: one o one. But if you were to guess if
Speaker 1: we're doing what are the numbers now?
Speaker 2: Total?
Speaker 1: Like four million a week? Four million views a week
Speaker 1: total with SmackDown and and raw and and maybe roughly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're combine all the ship, That's what I'm.
Speaker 1: Saying, combining all the ship in a week like maybe
Speaker 1: about four million views? Right, how many people do you
Speaker 1: think will they'll retain when they go to Saudi how
Speaker 1: many views a week?
Speaker 2: I feel like this has gotta this is this has
Speaker 2: to be their bottom at this point, right, I mean
Speaker 2: I think that's.
Speaker 1: Low, that's the said, and I think by the time
Speaker 1: they get to Saudi I think there will be a
Speaker 1: lot of diehards that will finally bail on WWE at
Speaker 1: that point. That's why making that joke with you the
Speaker 1: other day too on Tuesday, I'm like, they're not going
Speaker 1: to go to a w These fans won't go to
Speaker 1: a WY. They probably won't even go to t and
Speaker 1: a TNA might get another another chance for for some
Speaker 1: of them. But I think a lot of the fans
Speaker 1: will go to Triple A. Triple A has steadily been
Speaker 1: doing better and better, putting on better shows, better talent,
Speaker 1: better storylines. Like It's just I don't know, but I
Speaker 1: think the majority of people will will dump WWE once
Speaker 1: TKO gives it up.
Speaker 2: Well, this is another part of ancient history that you
Speaker 2: don't hear people mention as much. But when WCW went
Speaker 2: off the air, millions of people stopped watching wrestling. Millions, millions, Yeah,
Speaker 2: because to them that was what wrestling was. It wasn't
Speaker 2: oh well that's off you, I'll just I'll just go
Speaker 2: watch the other thing.
Speaker 1: I think the competition was part of it though, too.
Speaker 1: Like at that point when WWE finally took over wcwwwe
Speaker 1: was not doing very well, like it was already starting
Speaker 1: to wind down, and we saw what the next four
Speaker 1: or five years of that shit was.
Speaker 2: So I think we were onto the right around the
Speaker 2: time of like the Corpse Sex. Really yeah, you're heading
Speaker 2: towards like JBL's big push.
Speaker 1: Now fuck dog food, Vince. I want to stick my
Speaker 1: tiny cock and some dog food.
Speaker 2: It's all right, dude. And meanwhile, the people that were
Speaker 2: watching w CW, even in the even in the Let's
Speaker 2: stup in ten, w CW was putting out fucking Shakespeare.
Speaker 2: But you gotta think the people that were left by then,
Speaker 2: they were watching you know, Evan courageous, Yeah, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, like Harris and aj Styles and fucking Yeah,
Speaker 2: which was left Raven yeah yeah, which was still so
Speaker 2: so different than w w F at that time. But
Speaker 2: that's it. It's like this belief that people are just
Speaker 2: gonna Mark yeah, right, So I hope he goes to
Speaker 2: the invasion. That would be great. He wait a second,
Speaker 2: Mark chin Rack is gonna en shine O' hair. They're
Speaker 2: gonna go fight the New Age outlaws, like no, no
Speaker 2: one gave a fuck, No one fucking cared.
Speaker 1: They killed Chronic, though I think Chronic was ahead of
Speaker 1: their time. Chronic was ahead of their time. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: Brian Clark, Bryan Adams. If they would have been around
Speaker 1: ten years later, they would have been the uh yeah,
Speaker 1: they'd have been fine.
Speaker 2: Well now they'd be serious, dangerous outlaws in Texas. I've
Speaker 2: gathered that would also they'd be bad naughty boys. Call
Speaker 2: them them sells. Chronic in twenty twenty the dirty rotten
Speaker 2: Scoundrels with oh no, filthy animals. Yeah. Yeah, well that
Speaker 2: was with Ray when he was overalls, right, yeah, which
Speaker 2: I mean that's all. Is that what you call?
Speaker 1: Yeah, when he's wearing overalls, well even have a mask
Speaker 1: either he's wearing the goat horns.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which, by the way, like now when I see
Speaker 2: like Domo wear the fucking overalls backstage and I'm like,
Speaker 2: I see you, I see I know what you're doing,
Speaker 2: big boy. I like it. I love it. It's it's
Speaker 2: such a fucking little callback for as uh for as
Speaker 2: old motherfuckers. But yeah, man, like that's that's the thought process,
Speaker 2: is that they'll turn it off and that everybody will
Speaker 2: shoo ooker show it's good. I'll just watch the other
Speaker 2: version of it. It's like that's no, that's not what's
Speaker 2: gonna happen.
Speaker 1: But there is another version. I mean, AW is so
Speaker 1: far away from w W in so many ways that
Speaker 1: it's it doesn't feel like it's the same show, doesn't
Speaker 1: feel like it's the same product. You know, It's like
Speaker 1: here you have WWE, where they're hyper focused on entertainment
Speaker 1: storylines for as for as bad as they are half
Speaker 1: the time, and then you have a w which is
Speaker 1: just a human crash test.
Speaker 2: You know, that's just and by the way, it's a
Speaker 2: human crash test. And because of the way that they
Speaker 2: work and the ship that they do, even to the
Speaker 2: lesser degree that they do things, most of their top
Speaker 2: guys are now actively in some state of injury. MJF
Speaker 2: is like thirty years old, and he's and you're hearing
Speaker 2: about him having hip problems, Like, is this dude gonna
Speaker 2: need a hip replacement at thirty five? Jesus Christ, are
Speaker 2: you kidding me? You know, it's like Will Osprey has
Speaker 2: already had his Neckhews and he's like thirty three or
Speaker 2: something like this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but Joe buddy Matthews is coming back, so it's okay, man.
Speaker 2: Oh good good, Okay. By the way, they fixed they
Speaker 2: they've fixed his ankle. That poor motherfucker rolled his ring
Speaker 2: in a rolled his ankle at a shitty ring in Australia,
Speaker 2: I think three years ago. Yeah, and that was and
Speaker 2: that was a done deal for that guy. Good twenty
Speaker 2: grand slam. Oh okay, so only neeering it on a
Speaker 2: year and after years, but that's yeah, man. I really
Speaker 2: think that if they do sell to Saudi Arabia, and
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that, it's gonna be millions and millions
Speaker 2: of people, because once again we've really boiled this down
Speaker 2: to a nice room. The audience that's left, right, you
Speaker 2: chase them off from the attitude era, you chase them
Speaker 2: off with the fucking micro transactions, you chase them off
Speaker 2: with having the video games that people don't enjoy anymore.
Speaker 2: So you can't even generate people off that audience. And
Speaker 2: then you'll chase them off by saying, hey, we're moving
Speaker 2: the whole fucking thing to the Middle East. Get on
Speaker 2: board with that or fucking blow us. So it's not
Speaker 2: gonna help. It's not gonna help. And it's a shame,
Speaker 2: like you said, aw doesn't have the fucking smarts to
Speaker 2: capitalize on us. They don't have the people they don't
Speaker 2: have the mines, they don't have the mindset. And let's
Speaker 2: suppose that they sell them not to Saudi this year,
Speaker 2: but the year after that. By that point you'll have
Speaker 2: an almost dying Kenny Omega because he already looks like
Speaker 2: he's brought.
Speaker 1: Would be funny if I fucking wouldn't it be funny
Speaker 1: if Tony just picked up AW and move that to
Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia too?
Speaker 2: I mean, Saudi Arabia, you're hubbed for professional wrestling, that's
Speaker 2: why not? Why not? Just yeah, that's so great, man.
Speaker 2: The ww pay per views are on it three fifteen
Speaker 2: in the morning. Dude, did you watch AW live? I
Speaker 2: don't know, dude, it was on it two thirty in
Speaker 2: the morning.
Speaker 1: Goes to Saudi Arabia. Does that mean TNA has a
Speaker 1: real shot to take out AW?
Speaker 2: Oh my god?
Speaker 1: I mean you want to talk about the Great White Hope.
Speaker 1: I know we were joking about that. People are throwing
Speaker 1: a Barreon Corbyn's picture, but would TNA be the Great
Speaker 1: White Hope against AEW?
Speaker 2: TNA is just like, what's it like when like the
Speaker 2: Royal family where it's just like they all like a
Speaker 2: bunch of people just get the fucking plague and then
Speaker 2: like the third Duke is just sitting there like, oh, shoot,
Speaker 2: I guess I'm the King Gowa Like by way of
Speaker 2: being alive, sir, you have won the crown.
Speaker 1: I was just going to bring back Dixie Carter, Jeff Jarrett,
Speaker 1: so Jim Cornett.
Speaker 2: Dude, Mike Kingdom for a Jeff Jarrett booked Wrestling Promotion
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty six. How fucking sad is that?
Speaker 1: But he's another guy who doesn't like the new style
Speaker 1: of wrestling. He's not a fan of this newer shit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm saying, Like I it's we've read
Speaker 2: that point of just destitution that a guy that, like
Speaker 2: people on the Internet and from the Indies and whatever,
Speaker 2: many many different facets of wrestling mocked and denigrated fucking
Speaker 2: Jeff Jarrett. Now we're like, please, I would take all
Speaker 2: of the Jeff Jarrett booking compared to this other show.
Speaker 2: At this point, I'd take Jeff Jarrett putting himself in
Speaker 2: a fucking main event, even as a seventy thousand year
Speaker 2: old man. If you can make the undercard makes sense
Speaker 2: and have the the booking be decent and the match
Speaker 2: is not be all the same shit. I could, I
Speaker 2: could put my hand on a walk away from it,
Speaker 2: because at this point, a Jeff Jarrett main event and
Speaker 2: a Roman Reigns main event, at least I'll believe the
Speaker 2: punch is thrown in the Jeff Jarrett event, at least
Speaker 2: at least the work. I'll hey, you know what, if
Speaker 2: somebody hit him and he fell on the mat, he'd
Speaker 2: stay down there, That's what he'd Fucking Roman Reigns ain't
Speaker 2: gonna do that for you. It's a face, baby face,
Speaker 2: you know, baby face. It's I don't know, man, it's
Speaker 2: an interesting it's an interesting time to be watching this ship. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and we're free of a pay per view for what
Speaker 2: another or two months. Yeah, they're gonna throw another one
Speaker 2: in there, bash and bag Dad said, where they're gonna
Speaker 2: throw at us? Where are they going next? Not Hawaii?
Speaker 1: Right, Hawaii's coming up too. I saw that you want
Speaker 1: to show in Hawaii?
Speaker 2: Yeah, for the.
Speaker 1: First time and what seven fucking years?
Speaker 2: Do you know how funny it would be if they
Speaker 2: did a show in Hawaii and they didn't get any
Speaker 2: of the Samoans. That'd be hilarious, That would be great.
Speaker 1: The headliner Hawaiian Samoans are not invited to the Hawaiian show.
Speaker 1: That is it like September or something like that? Dan,
Speaker 1: I know, Dan's quick on this ship. What's the date
Speaker 1: of the Hawaii tour.
Speaker 2: Man? But yeah, it's this year. I want September. I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 1: I think they even have a They don't have like
Speaker 1: a Monday or Saturday night's main event for it.
Speaker 2: Do they? If they do a Wow Saturday events in Hawaii,
Speaker 2: it would still be daylight? Yeah? Right, if they did,
Speaker 2: you know how funny, We're actually not even funny, It
Speaker 2: would honestly at least be kind of creative and cool
Speaker 2: to see where if they did an outdoors kind of
Speaker 2: venue that was a little bit more open Friday Friday,
Speaker 2: October sixteenth, Thank you, Dan, Okay, what's the okay? So
Speaker 2: it's just a regular show. It's not a pay per
Speaker 2: view or anything. Right, it's the Blasi Dell Blaze, Dell
Speaker 2: Arena and Honolulu General Public on sale August fourteenth, Exclusive
Speaker 2: presale August twelfth. Yeah, it's August fourteenth. Show. Turning out
Speaker 2: it is expensive as shit and just living in Hawaii,
Speaker 2: it's a SmackDown. Oh imagine how much money they're gonna
Speaker 2: charge for those WWE tickets. Good happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the cheapest thing on the whole fucking island.
Speaker 2: You know, well that well, that would be the funny thing.
Speaker 2: It's just like for them, the people that are living there, like,
Speaker 2: they don't they don't get WWE. They got any wrestling
Speaker 2: and shit, I'm sure, but they don't get WWE. So
Speaker 2: if they make this into an event and they're like, hey,
Speaker 2: you know, like I said, a nice open air, kind
Speaker 2: of outdoor themed, They're not going to spend the money.
Speaker 2: I'm literally just putting pie in the sky here. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't think they're doing fucking Rainbow Warriors field.
Speaker 2: Joe. Just hey, that would be kind of cool, that
Speaker 2: would you know, like something along those lines, like do
Speaker 2: you know what it is if they decided to run
Speaker 2: in Hawaii and have cheaper tickets but a themed kind
Speaker 2: of venue and its cool. W W don't do anymore, Joe,
Speaker 2: I know, you know, that's for that's for fools. That's
Speaker 2: for fools, and they just do AI graphics. Now that's
Speaker 2: that's what you get. I can't wait to see how
Speaker 2: chat GVT spells Honolulu, Hawaii. That's gonna be great to
Speaker 2: see them try to do that on pictures. But no,
Speaker 2: all right, so that's well, that's not even the next
Speaker 2: pay per view, so well we got some time. I think,
Speaker 2: I think that we're done for the pay per views
Speaker 2: until September. Well, we'll be back tomorrow for Frank and Gus.
Speaker 2: Much love.
Speaker 1: Make sure to check out John Draper and the guys
Speaker 1: over on Spitball Media. I know Chocolate did a show
Speaker 1: with Don Reynolds. What was it called on something on Wednesdays.
Speaker 1: I don't fucking know. It's on Uh, it's on the
Speaker 1: Wrestling Soup and Frindos Feed though, you can check it
Speaker 1: out there and uh yeah, much love to Drew Yari.
Speaker 2: And h R CWR Show, et cetera. So much love. Guys,
Speaker 2: talk too soon. Yeah, he's the takes because I get.
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