Speaker 1: Good morning you two, and thank you so much for
this movie, because it really does bring out something that
a lot of us are not talking about these days.
We have our relationships with our fathers, but we don't
have this kind of relationship. And I think you're opening
up a new door here for us to go knocking
on somebody's door.
Speaker 2: What a beautiful way to put it. Yeah, this is Uh.
We all got our fathers and a lot of times
those those those relationships are complicated, not always, but a
lot of them are. Mine was and I love getting
to do this because I got to kind of explore
that relationship in a way I didn't with my own father.
Speaker 1: Ye I was gonna ask you about that if you
really felt if you brought something to it as well
as taken from it, because it's got that that real
cool vine to it. That's that provides fruit for anybody
who sits down to enjoy it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, you know, I mean just the world
we get to go to. Uh you know, you start
on the lake in Massachusetts and you go to Belize,
you know, in the summertime, on that beautiful water down there.
So we get to go experience that. But at the
same time we get to do something that's really really
heartwarming and this and it comes through the unveiling of
secrets and a family that that process of unveiling those secrets.
It's really really moving.
Speaker 1: Now, Cameron. You the thing is is that this takes
place in the nineteen eighties. How old were you in
the nineteen eighties, Maybe maybe ten eleven at the most.
Speaker 3: I guess it depends which point in the eighties, but yeah,
it was under ten.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because it was such an important time in history,
and the fact that this storyline takes place in the
nineteen eighties reminds me that, yes, it did happen. We're
not going to forget it like we did the seventies.
But yet but yet it was such a changing place
for the whole world.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the eighties were big for me. I I met
my wife in the early eighties and we got married
in eighty two, and I was doing a show called
Saint Elsewhere for six years. Uh, and and it was
it was a big boom time. We went out of
that that uh, you know, the real tough recession, recession.
You know, the interest rates were through the roof the
world was not looking great. Uh. And then things kind
of exploded during the eighties have really changed, so it
was a big time in our lives.
Speaker 1: One of the things that I found very interesting is
how amc has played a major role in presenting this movie. Cameron,
what is it like for you to see that everybody
seems to be coming together when it comes to getting
films on that big screen.
Speaker 3: It is nice to see. I mean, for for a
while there, you know, one didn't really know if going
out to the movies, to the theater was going to
go by the wayside, and and it's it's nice to
see that sort of coming back, you know, even not
only with the big blockbuster films, but now you know,
with some of these little indies like ours. So it's
it's exciting.
Speaker 1: Was it film like an indie movie where you had
to get in there and get out? Because I mean
it does you know, I don't feel rushed when I
see it. I feel like that this was well planned out,
well taken care of, because the storyline is so valuable.
Speaker 3: Well that that credit I think goes to our director
Roberto Snyder, who really did he planned the thing out
to a t as well as you can, you know,
in an indie film, but it was definitely an indie movie.
You know, we're trying to race daylight. You know, get
as much as we can out of each day, and
you know, and that's make the most of what we.
Speaker 2: Have remarkable I've done. I did a lot of independent
movies and in the old days TV, you know, movies
a week kind of stuff, and you had no time
bry any of that stuff. And you always feel the
pressure on them to get to get those days made
and the scenes made, all that stuff. And like Kareron saying, Roberto,
he didn't did not allow that and really took that
pressure off of us. And what do you do feel
it in the movie?
Speaker 1: Yeah, because to me, that's what keeps the perfectionists away,
because I mean, yeah, we can go in there and
do a recut, but man, if this is a great scene,
then you know, to me, there's always a reason why
the Beatles and the Rolling Stones music is still being
played today because they didn't waste a lot of time
redoing it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, one of the things I really appreciate about this.
We got to see the movie last night on the
big screen and it was I think it really knocked
us out. It really is so beautiful And what part
of what is beautiful about it is there the moments
between people, where there's air, where there's stuff going on
that happens in life. You know a lot of times
you have movies, it's just kind of cut, cut, cut,
take away, just keep the thing moving. And uh, this
feels true and uh and part of why I feel
so true is because of those kind of moments and
trusting those moments. And you've got actors who filled those moments.
You know, Michael Douglas, Cameron's father, he's uh, he's been
doing this for a long time, and you watch it
and you just see, you know, the beauty of that
man and and and what he's doing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a there's a presence there. In fact, when
the two of you are together, there is a presence,
and that that presence right there is something that is
magical and you can't you can't force it at all.
How did you deal with that? Cameron?
Speaker 2: What exactly?
Speaker 1: In other words, it's it's like, you know, you can, man,
my dad was sitting here in front of me, I
would act like the son in front of my dad.
I mean, you you continue on with you knows as
great actors and bring this story together. It was never
once did I think, oh, that's father and son.
Speaker 2: That's that.
Speaker 1: Of course it's father and son. They act like father
and son.
Speaker 3: Yeah no, I well, you know in this film, in particular,
my father and I don't have any scenes together. But yeah, no, I,
as as David says, you know, we we we were.
We got to see the film last night in this
sort of sort of final cut what everybody's going to see,
and it was really really fun and uh, you know,
watching both my father and and David and and the
other cast members were all very talented. Was was a
real treat. I think everybody really held their own and
it's it's it's it's good. It's really good, and I
hope you all enjoy it.
Speaker 1: Very interesting that you say that this is this is
the one that that is the approved screen and and
the thing that really inspires me is that when people
and viewers go and do the research, they're going to
find out how much work you guys put into this.
It was about promote, promote, promote. You guys busted tail
on this movie.
Speaker 2: Well, hopefully we always bust our tails on the work
we do, but this one, we really we you know,
we really had to learn some stuff. As part of
what's fun of being actors is on everything we do,
we get to learn something new. And this one I
got to learn fly fishing, not just to learn how
to saltwater fly fish, but how to look like one
of the best in the world doing it. And we
were we were lucky to have some of the best
in the world with us down there, which was a
little intimidating, but they were great, you know, great teachers
and great support and it was part of the fun
of doing this one, you know, just.
Speaker 3: A fun, fun group of guys, you know, they love
lots of good stories and good jokes. I really kept
sort of light, you know on the set and uh,
but these guys, you know, by the same joke and
these guys are are some of the best in the
world at what they do.
Speaker 2: And they're serious.
Speaker 1: But yeah, please do not move. There's more with Cameron
and David coming up next the name of the movie
Looking through Water. We're back with Cameron Douglas and David Moore.
When you create a brotherhood like that that is temporary,
how do you deal with that as everyday people? Because
I'm one of those, I guess I'm codependent. If I
have a relationship with someone, I wanted to last forever.
But you guys get that moment in time and then
you have to move ahead. You know.
Speaker 2: The very first movie I did, Inside Moves. Never done
a movie in my life. I've been in theater, but
I've never done television, never, you know, movies, And I
did one of the leads in the movie, and it's
so intense when you're together, it really as a family
as you're working. And then when we got to the
end of it, we wrapped, I could feel people moving apart,
and I felt so hurt by it. I actually myself
I started crying just because I realized, you know, this
is a business and people are going to move on.
But over the years, one of the things that's touched
me the most is I've worked with some of those
people again on different things, and that feeling of family
it doesn't really go away. I've worked with actors, crew
members over and over again over the years, so I'd
never thought I would see again. It's one of my
favorite things about this business is those relationships.
Speaker 1: Streaming has become so popular it's opened up the door
for so many actors to try out new things and
to grow. What is it like for the two of.
Speaker 2: You, well, streaming really, I mean, look at Telligence crying
out loud, the kind of choices that we have, and
the you know what I did saying elsewhere in the
eighties we talked about the eighties we would do twenty
two to twenty six episodes a year. We'd be going
for ten eleven months out of the year doing those things.
And now series eight episodes, six episodes, you know, maybe thirteen.
That doesn't happen much anymore. So the just experience that
way is different, I think, yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I guess like everything, you know, everything
is in a constant state of evolution, you know, or
de evolution, I guess, depending on the way that you
you know, you experience it. But definitely in our industry,
things have really been shaken up, i'd say in the
last decade especially, But I feel like, you know, it's
it rights itself eventually, and it's sort of it's and
I feel like it's doing that right now actually sort
of come to a place where we're finding a happy medium.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, David, you're talking about us st elsewhere
Back in the nineteen eighties. My program director here in
Charlotte used to look at me all the time. He says,
I need you to have a Saint Elsewhere connection and
to be there and have that you know that that
that place where people come to you because Saint Elsewhere
gives them something. I need you to be them.
Speaker 2: And so so.
Speaker 1: Really, even the radio industry was watching what you guys
were doing on Saint Elsewhere and.
Speaker 2: Did you did you find your st Elsewhere moment? I did?
I did what I did?
Speaker 1: You slow down, you share the story, and you make
sure that it's about them and not about me. And
so because when you went in there, and I'd watch
those episodes of Saint Elsewhere, it wasn't about them really,
it was about what were we taking from that storyline
as viewers?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, good for you. You know, Saint Elseware. I think,
uh this is nothing against what came before, But Saint
Elsewhere and Hill Street Blues, they really changed television in
a lot of ways how those stories were told and
also how you can tell those stories. And Saint also,
particularly those writers, they went places uh where. I don't
think television really had gone before episodes where you wind
up in the afterlife you know, somebody dies in the
in the uh you know, in the emergency room, and
you find yourself in the afterlife, or you go back
in time and tell the history of the of the hospital,
just the storytelling that that took place then, and it
was about the people who came through the hospital as
much as it was about the doctors themselves. Those people
were important. So that's it's really interesting that you say
that about the.
Speaker 1: Show, Cameron, the movie Through Water did it? Did it
change you? Did you pick something up in the storyline
where you go, WHOA. I think I'm going to carry
that one for a while inside my heart.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean I learned a lot, you know, on
on on this film, but as I think, you know,
one of the things again, you know, just going back
to I think what I said earlier that I was
most inspired by was just sort of the the camaraderie
on this set between everybody and and how much that
really affects the outcome of the of the project. And so, uh,
definitely something I'm going to always keep in mind moving forward. Uh,
you know, keeping the energy up and your attitude up
and and uh really uh you know, uh, sort of
carrying yourself with a level of professionalism that that I
uh learned from some people like David in particular on
this film.
Speaker 1: That's what I love about about acting and stuff like that,
when you really take the time to look behind the
scenes and see that camaraderie that you're talking about. Because
we're all teachers. You could be one of the greatest
actors of all time, but that next one that's coming
up could be the one that teaches you a lesson
that you've been waiting for your entire life.
Speaker 2: That's right, you know, there are things you know just
as actors. Sometimes I feel like I make mistakes now
that I made, you know, forty years ago, and I'm
still trying to learn those things. But it's a great
like all of us. I mean, if we really open
ourselves up to our work and our families, there's stuff
we can learn every single day from what we're doing
the other people were with and we're lucky to be
in the business we're in and get to learn in
this business.
Speaker 1: David, you were talking about fly fishing. Are we going
to see you up there in Montana or even Yellostow
National Park up there on those rivers, because that's where
everybody wants to go when it comes to fly fishing.
Speaker 2: Oh are you going to be up there?
Speaker 1: I'll go up there. That's one of my favorite places
on the planet. We used to escape that to that
area because I grew up in Billings, Montana, so that
was our escape.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, what a beautiful place to grow up. No,
you're not going to see me fishing up there. I'd
love doing it for the movie. I just don't want
to catch fish. Yeah. I love the act of it.
I love being out there in the water. I love
the art of the you know, the fly fishing. I
just I really don't want to catch a fish and
have to let it go. It feels a little traumatic
and not fair out to the fish.
Speaker 3: Did we did our fair share of that on this film. Actually,
I feel like we're good in that department.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a little while.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I appreciate you saying that, because, you know,
the one of the things that they teach us in
martial arts is learn to love all living things. That
includes the worm that you put on the hook, which
goes right into the belly of that fish. And it's like,
I want to protect that living thing. I don't want
to take it.
Speaker 2: Oh, good for you. That's a that's a nice little
lesson there.
Speaker 1: So what's the next project that you guys are onto,
because you guys are always working on something because I
know this one took many, many, many months and years
to get get it together. So you guys have got
to be another projects as well.
Speaker 2: Well. Right now, I've got I did a couple of series.
There's one out right now called We Were Liars. We
shot up in Canada and we're waiting to hear if
we're going to get a second season on that. It's
on Amazon. And there's another series I did on Apple
with Jennifer Garner called The Last Thing He Told Me
In the second season of that's coming up. So just
waiting on those at the moment. What's she doing, Cameron.
Speaker 3: I'm working on the show that I've developed for for
many years, Devil and Gianatown, and that's coming together hopefully
fingers crossed. And then just just staying after it, you know,
one foot in front of the other. A lot of
auditions and and just grateful to be, you know, sitting
down at the table that I am with with with
you know, great contemporaries and and you know, the dream
is still very much alive for me, so I'm grateful
for that.
Speaker 1: Wow, you guys have got to come back to the
show anytime in the future. The door is always going
to be open for you.
Speaker 2: Well that's nice. That's a nice start to have opened.
Thank you.
Speaker 1: Will you be brilliant today?
Speaker 2: Okay, indeed, thanks you too,