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Speaker 1: Good morning you two, and thank you so much for

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this movie, because it really does bring out something that

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a lot of us are not talking about these days.

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We have our relationships with our fathers, but we don't

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have this kind of relationship. And I think you're opening

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up a new door here for us to go knocking

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on somebody's door.

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Speaker 2: What a beautiful way to put it. Yeah, this is Uh.

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We all got our fathers and a lot of times

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those those those relationships are complicated, not always, but a

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lot of them are. Mine was and I love getting

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to do this because I got to kind of explore

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that relationship in a way I didn't with my own father.

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Speaker 1: Ye I was gonna ask you about that if you

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really felt if you brought something to it as well

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as taken from it, because it's got that that real

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cool vine to it. That's that provides fruit for anybody

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who sits down to enjoy it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, you know, I mean just the world

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we get to go to. Uh you know, you start

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on the lake in Massachusetts and you go to Belize,

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you know, in the summertime, on that beautiful water down there.

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same time we get to do something that's really really

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heartwarming and this and it comes through the unveiling of

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secrets and a family that that process of unveiling those secrets.

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It's really really moving.

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Speaker 1: Now, Cameron. You the thing is is that this takes

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place in the nineteen eighties. How old were you in

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the nineteen eighties, Maybe maybe ten eleven at the most.

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Speaker 3: I guess it depends which point in the eighties, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because it was such an important time in history,

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and the fact that this storyline takes place in the

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nineteen eighties reminds me that, yes, it did happen. We're

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not going to forget it like we did the seventies.

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But yet but yet it was such a changing place

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for the whole world.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the eighties were big for me. I I met

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my wife in the early eighties and we got married

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Saint Elsewhere for six years. Uh, and and it was

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it was a big boom time. We went out of

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that that uh, you know, the real tough recession, recession.

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world was not looking great. Uh. And then things kind

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of exploded during the eighties have really changed, so it

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Speaker 1: One of the things that I found very interesting is

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how amc has played a major role in presenting this movie. Cameron,

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what is it like for you to see that everybody

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seems to be coming together when it comes to getting

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films on that big screen.

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Speaker 3: It is nice to see. I mean, for for a

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while there, you know, one didn't really know if going

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out to the movies, to the theater was going to

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go by the wayside, and and it's it's nice to

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see that sort of coming back, you know, even not

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only with the big blockbuster films, but now you know,

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with some of these little indies like ours. So it's

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it's exciting.

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Speaker 1: Was it film like an indie movie where you had

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to get in there and get out? Because I mean

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it does you know, I don't feel rushed when I

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see it. I feel like that this was well planned out,

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well taken care of, because the storyline is so valuable.

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Speaker 3: Well that that credit I think goes to our director

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to a t as well as you can, you know,

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in an indie film, but it was definitely an indie movie.

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You know, we're trying to race daylight. You know, get

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as much as we can out of each day, and

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you know, and that's make the most of what we.

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Speaker 2: Have remarkable I've done. I did a lot of independent

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movies and in the old days TV, you know, movies

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and the scenes made, all that stuff. And like Kareron saying, Roberto,

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pressure off of us. And what do you do feel

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because to me, that's what keeps the perfectionists away,

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because I mean, yeah, we can go in there and

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do a recut, but man, if this is a great scene,

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then you know, to me, there's always a reason why

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the Beatles and the Rolling Stones music is still being

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, one of the things I really appreciate about this.

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big screen and it was I think it really knocked

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us out. It really is so beautiful And what part

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of what is beautiful about it is there the moments

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between people, where there's air, where there's stuff going on

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that happens in life. You know a lot of times

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you have movies, it's just kind of cut, cut, cut,

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take away, just keep the thing moving. And uh, this

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feels true and uh and part of why I feel

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so true is because of those kind of moments and

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trusting those moments. And you've got actors who filled those moments.

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doing this for a long time, and you watch it

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and you just see, you know, the beauty of that

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man and and and what he's doing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a there's a presence there. In fact, when

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the two of you are together, there is a presence,

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and that that presence right there is something that is

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magical and you can't you can't force it at all.

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Speaker 2: What exactly?

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Speaker 1: In other words, it's it's like, you know, you can, man,

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my dad was sitting here in front of me, I

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would act like the son in front of my dad.

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great actors and bring this story together. It was never

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once did I think, oh, that's father and son.

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Speaker 2: That's that.

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Speaker 1: Of course it's father and son. They act like father

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my father and I don't have any scenes together. But yeah, no, I,

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sort of sort of final cut what everybody's going to see,

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and it was really really fun and uh, you know,

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watching both my father and and David and and the

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real treat. I think everybody really held their own and

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it's it's it's it's good. It's really good, and I

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Speaker 1: Very interesting that you say that this is this is

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the one that that is the approved screen and and

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the thing that really inspires me is that when people

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and viewers go and do the research, they're going to

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find out how much work you guys put into this.

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we get to learn something new. And this one I

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got to learn fly fishing, not just to learn how

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to saltwater fly fish, but how to look like one

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of the best in the world doing it. And we

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Speaker 3: A fun, fun group of guys, you know, they love

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lots of good stories and good jokes. I really kept

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but these guys, you know, by the same joke and

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these guys are are some of the best in the

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world at what they do.

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Speaker 2: And they're serious.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, please do not move. There's more with Cameron

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and David coming up next the name of the movie

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Looking through Water. We're back with Cameron Douglas and David Moore.

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how do you deal with that as everyday people? Because

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I'm one of those, I guess I'm codependent. If I

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have a relationship with someone, I wanted to last forever.

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you have to move ahead. You know.

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Speaker 2: The very first movie I did, Inside Moves. Never done

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did one of the leads in the movie, and it's

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so intense when you're together, it really as a family

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as you're working. And then when we got to the

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for so many actors to try out new things and

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Speaker 1: I think, yeah, David, you're talking about us st elsewhere

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Speaker 1: Really, even the radio industry was watching what you guys

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it was about what were we taking from that storyline

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just the storytelling that that took place then, and it

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Speaker 1: Show, Cameron, the movie Through Water did it? Did it

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change you? Did you pick something up in the storyline

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where you go, WHOA. I think I'm going to carry

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that one for a while inside my heart.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean I learned a lot, you know, on

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on on this film, but as I think, you know,

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one of the things again, you know, just going back

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to I think what I said earlier that I was

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most inspired by was just sort of the the camaraderie

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on this set between everybody and and how much that

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really affects the outcome of the of the project. And so, uh,

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definitely something I'm going to always keep in mind moving forward. Uh,

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you know, keeping the energy up and your attitude up

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and and uh really uh you know, uh, sort of

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carrying yourself with a level of professionalism that that I

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uh learned from some people like David in particular on

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this film.

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Speaker 1: That's what I love about about acting and stuff like that,

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when you really take the time to look behind the

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scenes and see that camaraderie that you're talking about. Because

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we're all teachers. You could be one of the greatest

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actors of all time, but that next one that's coming

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up could be the one that teaches you a lesson

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that you've been waiting for your entire life.

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Speaker 2: That's right, you know, there are things you know just

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as actors. Sometimes I feel like I make mistakes now

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that I made, you know, forty years ago, and I'm

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still trying to learn those things. But it's a great

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like all of us. I mean, if we really open

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ourselves up to our work and our families, there's stuff

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we can learn every single day from what we're doing

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the other people were with and we're lucky to be

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in the business we're in and get to learn in

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this business.

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Speaker 1: David, you were talking about fly fishing. Are we going

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to see you up there in Montana or even Yellostow

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National Park up there on those rivers, because that's where

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everybody wants to go when it comes to fly fishing.

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Speaker 2: Oh are you going to be up there?

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Speaker 1: I'll go up there. That's one of my favorite places

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on the planet. We used to escape that to that

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area because I grew up in Billings, Montana, so that

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was our escape.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, what a beautiful place to grow up. No,

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you're not going to see me fishing up there. I'd

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love doing it for the movie. I just don't want

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to catch fish. Yeah. I love the act of it.

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I love being out there in the water. I love

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the art of the you know, the fly fishing. I

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just I really don't want to catch a fish and

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have to let it go. It feels a little traumatic

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and not fair out to the fish.

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Speaker 3: Did we did our fair share of that on this film. Actually,

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I feel like we're good in that department.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a little while.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I appreciate you saying that, because, you know,

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the one of the things that they teach us in

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martial arts is learn to love all living things. That

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includes the worm that you put on the hook, which

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goes right into the belly of that fish. And it's like,

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I want to protect that living thing. I don't want

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to take it.

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Speaker 2: Oh, good for you. That's a that's a nice little

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lesson there.

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Speaker 1: So what's the next project that you guys are onto,

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because you guys are always working on something because I

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know this one took many, many, many months and years

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to get get it together. So you guys have got

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to be another projects as well.

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Speaker 2: Well. Right now, I've got I did a couple of series.

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There's one out right now called We Were Liars. We

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shot up in Canada and we're waiting to hear if

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we're going to get a second season on that. It's

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on Amazon. And there's another series I did on Apple

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with Jennifer Garner called The Last Thing He Told Me

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In the second season of that's coming up. So just

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waiting on those at the moment. What's she doing, Cameron.

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Speaker 3: I'm working on the show that I've developed for for

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many years, Devil and Gianatown, and that's coming together hopefully

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fingers crossed. And then just just staying after it, you know,

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one foot in front of the other. A lot of

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auditions and and just grateful to be, you know, sitting

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down at the table that I am with with with

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you know, great contemporaries and and you know, the dream

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is still very much alive for me, so I'm grateful

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for that.

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Speaker 1: Wow, you guys have got to come back to the

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show anytime in the future. The door is always going

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to be open for you.

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Speaker 2: Well that's nice. That's a nice start to have opened.

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Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Will you be brilliant today?

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Speaker 2: Okay, indeed, thanks you too,

