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reflect the views or positions of this show, its host,
or any of the companies they represent. Now today on
the show, we welcome indigenous psychic Sonya Grace. Sonya is
a psychic healer. She is a spirit traveler, and we
go down many rabbit holes. This is a pretty epic conversation. Guys.
It truly rocked my world and we discuss things that
I've really never discussed on the show before. So get
ready to have your minds blown. Let's dive in. I
like to welcome share the show, Sonya Grace.
Speaker 2: Hey doing Sonya, Hi, thanks for having me here.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Thank you so much for flying
out to Next Levesol Studios. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 3: It's exciting to be in Austin.
Speaker 1: Yes, it is a fun city.
Speaker 3: Yes, hot, very hot, very hot.
Speaker 1: And we're actually on the cooler down. We're in the
cooling down phase right now. So a few weeks ago
the devil literally walks across the street all the time here, Becau.
That's high to us, and he's like, I got to
get out of here, so way too odd.
Speaker 3: That's our joke about Phoenix. We don't live in Phoenix,
but we always say Phoenix.
Speaker 2: Is Phoenix is worse one mile from Hell.
Speaker 1: Oh one mile?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1: No, Actually I've been to Phoenix's I think worse than,
much worse than.
Speaker 2: But it's dry heat.
Speaker 1: Yours is dry heat. Ours is this mixture of humidity
and not humidity. I'm from Florida. That's that's humidity.
Speaker 2: That's humidity.
Speaker 1: That's one hundred and ten percent. Yes, so, but I'm
so glad to have you on the show. It is.
Your background is pretty fascinating to me. So can you
tell everybody where you like what your heritage and how
you got into the spiritual space from. I guess, I
guess influenced by your heritage.
Speaker 3: Well, actually, I am half Norwegian and I have Choctaw
and Cherokee blood on my mom's side, and I was
born with my abilities. I can see, here, feel, smell,
and oddly taste everything in the unseen world in the
spirit realm. Interesting, So I've been hardwired since I came
into this life, and I you know, I've dealt with
it for a long time now. I've been practicing as
a yealer for forty four years, and I feel that
getting into this a processes. So for example, as a child,
you know, I'd see all these spirits walking through the
house and I had one, Yeah, and I didn't have
anybody to talk to. I didn't have anyone really who
understood my poor mom, would you know. She was an artist,
and so she'd put paper and pen in front of
me and tell me to draw in too, you know,
you get that imagination on paper, you know. But I
was also pretty hyperactive. So she put me in ballet school, okay,
and that, yeah, and I learned a whole different set
of skills because ballet takes a lot of training and
a lot of discipline, and I had the wherewithal to
learn how to defy time and space. So if you
know what Shane turns are, they're real fast turns. You
go across the floor. How many Shane turns can you do?
An account of eight? Well, you can do a lot,
or you can do eight. So you learn a sense
of time and space. With your body that then, you know,
filters into other aspects of your life.
Speaker 2: So I performed.
Speaker 3: I was a professional ballerina for fifteen years, and I
was with the Oregon Shakespeare Festival for ten of those.
I was Roslyn and Kyle McLoughlin was Romeo and Romeo
and Juliet. I worked with Dennis Aren't, I worked with
James Avery. I choreographed James Avery in a play That's beautiful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it was really fun.
Speaker 3: You know a lot of people now who have moved on.
I had the good fortune to be around, and I
really enjoyed the performance aspects because of course being at
the Shakespeare Festival, you're sort of you're sort of going
through all your lifetimes, you know, experiencing different costumes in
different time periods. It's like, okay, yeah, I really was
in the fifteen hundreds.
Speaker 2: I get it.
Speaker 3: And so a lot of things transpired, and I eventually
moved into working with my first teacher, who was in
San Francisco, And after I worked with her, I went
to my second teacher, and then I went to my
third teacher. So over the course of ten years, and
I was already practicing, I had three different brilliant teachers,
and they all helped me to corral what was happening
to me because I didn't know. I mean, I was
walking down the street seeing yellow and orange on people,
and I look at my friends and go, did you
see that those people have yellow and orange all over them?
And they're like, what are you On're like wood? So
I had to, you know, bring it in and create
a foundation of which I can work from.
Speaker 1: So when you were when you were younger, and you
started seeing these dead people walking around? So what explain
to me your abilities? Because I mean I've spoken to
so many psychic mediums and people who see dead people.
People don't see dead people and you but you only
just don't see spirit, you see the spirit realm As
a general statement, is that on and off? Like right now,
are you seeing spirits not only spirits around me but
or in this room? But do you see the realm
as well? Can you turn that on and off? How
does that work? Because it seems a little overwhelming for
the mind to see two worlds at the same time
for your entire life.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's on most of the time. I think
if I'm watching a movie, I'm disconnected I'm just connected
a little bit because I'm watching the movie. But it
was hard to now navigate. When I was young, it
was really hard to navigate and to understand what was
happening to me. I feel now, you know, and I
have to really say this. I attribute the sanity of
my life to being sober for forty four years and
that I look at everything now through that lens. And
what that means is my filters are clear when I
do healing work on people, and I only work long distance,
but when I do healing work on people, I am
as clear as I could possibly be because I'm not
smoking pot the night before, I'm not having a glass
of wine with dinner. I'm not polluting the system. But
I rarely meet people. Now I've met you, but I
rarely meet people who are this far down the road.
I know Greg Brayness, and I really appreciate him for
his sobriety. It really makes me happy. And I also
feel that there are people in my life who have
long term sobriety, but they're not in the industry that
I'm in. And I think that people have an idea
of spiritualism and what's going on in the spiritual community.
But the lens that I view through makes a lot
of sense to me, and that is we're a highly
addicted society. Highly addicted alcohol, drugs, gaming, texting, social media,
social media, you name it. We're addicted food. Oh my god,
there's a big one. And yet we've got all these
people who have entered the spiritual community without addressing that
basic dysfunction that many of us inherited in our family structure.
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for a second. This is interesting to me so many people,
you know, I think there's more and more people coming
into the spiritual space every day. People are leaving religion
organized religion in droves. The world's a little upside down now, slightly,
and people are looking for answers and they're entering the
spiritual world. And they'll watch shows, and they'll read books,
and they'll take the seminars and they'll go to events
and things like that. But what you just said is
very important for people to understand is that they have
not done any real work. They haven't they haven't done
shadow work, they haven't cleaned up their diet, they haven't,
you know, dealt with trauma. They haven't done any of
that stuff, and yet they go to these shows or
they read these books or they take these courses or whatever,
and they're like, it's not working for me. I'm like, well,
of course not, because you're not addressing the underlining problems,
which is a lot harder than going to hear that's right.
A psychic medium talk about Grandma who just came in
the room and talked to you, which is great, which
is healing in one way, shape or form, but it's different.
Speaker 2: In my practice.
Speaker 3: I'm a healer and I go in and energetically do
surgery on people. I work on people like a surgeon,
but I'm working in the energy body. So if there's
a cancer there, I am taking that cancer out. That
was it dropping in?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I see that was very nice. So nice, you're
very talented.
Speaker 3: So I take it out and I energetically do the work.
But it has to pass through the physical, mental, emotional,
and spiritual bodies, and it has to hurdle the ego.
So what that person is dealing with, if they're open
and they're surrendered, like okay, this is happening and I
welcome it.
Speaker 2: To happen.
Speaker 3: Of course it's going to go a lot faster. Of
course it's gonna that work I just did is going
to have a stronger effect.
Speaker 2: But if they're in resistance.
Speaker 3: And like, oh, I don't trust you and I don't
know about this and I don't believe and blah blah blah,
it's like I I tell the person, it is your
own intuition that you are not trusting. It's not mine.
You don't trust yourself. If you trusted yourself, then you
would know that what's happening here is something that can happen.
I experience miracles every day.
Speaker 2: Every day.
Speaker 3: There's phenomenal things that happen. And after I approach the
heel aspect, I always go into a deep dive with
the emotional body and I do tons of processing work
with people. I work with the inner child, I work
with the inner male and female. My first teacher was
a Youngian therapist. I mean, I get it, and I
definitely go deeper than that in that I feel discovering
patterns of what we're repeating over and over and over again.
You know, I get a client who calls me and says, well,
my you know, my boyfriend just left me. And you know,
I got divorced five years ago, and you know, my
first boyfriend left me, and why is everybody leaving me?
And it's like, yeah, that's the pattern, isn't it? Abandonment?
Speaker 2: One oh one?
Speaker 1: You're the common denominator in all of these situations, right right.
Speaker 3: So then I go in and help them discover where
in their life, from the womb until three years old,
that they experienced abandonment, and then I help them to
extract that out of the body so that we're making
room now for healing, so that the cancer or the
illness or whatever is brewing in there doesn't have to
keep percolating because of the emotional wound that they're holding,
So they have to go hand in hand. I really
believe the physical body is like a big closet, and
all we're doing is storing all this unresolved emotional wounds, trauma,
et cetera in the closet. And about you know, forty
five fifty years old, guess what it wants out?
Speaker 1: Like in those movies, you get clack it open, everything
just comes flying out light right. I'd bold to get
the seams kind of thing. But going back to when
you were when you were growing up and you're seeing,
you know, seeing all these entities and stuff like that.
So I'm not going to put you on the spot
like is there who's is Grandma with me? I'm not
going to do that. But you how do you deal
with it psychologically? I mean at this point you probably
used to it, but at the beginning, just psychologically dealing
with Hey, I see and do they speak to you?
And do they connect communicate with you?
Speaker 3: They do speak and they do connect. And I've I've
had I've had clients who have died come and you know,
like practically terrorize me because they're so excited to talk
to me. On the other side that which is hilarious.
Speaker 1: That must be kind of freaky for you when that
says you, like you're talking to me now?
Speaker 3: And then you know, I have to tell you once
that was so good.
Speaker 2: My client Howard, who.
Speaker 3: Was a pool and spa g I loved Howard to
undred and fifty pounds. Heart problems up the Yin Yang
really really into all things spiritual cosmic, and he put
pools in and Howard had a massive heart attack and
died and I didn't find out about it until you know,
I saw Howard standing in my bathroom. I'm like, Howard,
did you cross over?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I did, and I'm really pissed off about it.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm sorry. And then later Howard came back to
me and he said, I have to tell you something
really important And I said what and he said, you
don't realize this, but you actually kept me alive for
a good three years before I passed because I was
working on him. I was working on his art, I
was working on all his systems, doing healing work, doing
processing work. And the fact that he would come and
tell me that, you know, thank you, you kept me
here longer then I was really supposed to be. And
I've heard that from other people too.
Speaker 2: You know, you don't always.
Speaker 3: Know, as the healer, whatever effect you've had on someone, right,
but Howard definitely wanted me to know that I helped
him to be here longer. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So from you know, being from the eclectic heritage that
you are from, half Norwegian.
Speaker 2: And half Tacta on Cherokee and.
Speaker 1: Cher Okay from the from both sides, but I think
more probably from the Native Americans side, how did that
influence your well, your spiritual journey you have you duged
deep into that stuffe.
Speaker 2: Oh, totally, totally.
Speaker 3: And I mean what's interesting is, you know, as a kid,
we always played in the neighborhood. I mean we were outside.
Oh yeah, so when we played Cowboy and Indians, I
was always the Indian, right because I know, but I
was like, no, I'm the Indian. I mean I knew,
I knew my heritage, but it wasn't something that was
really laid out. We were so influenced by my dad's side,
the Norwegian side, that.
Speaker 1: When you're here in America or in America, yeah, so
you have the American and you're also influenced by the American.
Speaker 3: Culture of course. But I became a part of Hope
culture gosh forty forty years ago, and that became my
second family, my second home. And then I married a
Hopey Man and now I'm married into the tribe. I mean,
I'm very connected out there, and I feel more Hopy
than anything because I've spent so much time there and
I love the community and the ceremonies and all that
is practiced.
Speaker 1: Let me let me if you don't mind me asking,
I want to kind of dig into the spiritual practices
of let's say the Hope, because that's the tribe that
you spent more time with. How does the Hope look
upon psychic medium work or healing work in this kind
of way. What are the traditions, what are the what
are the histories of it. I'm just fascinated with that
side of it.
Speaker 3: They consider me a medicine woman out there, so you know,
I mean, I all of my free work that I do,
which is a lot, is for native people, people in
the Hopie tribe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I I have.
Speaker 3: A lot of people who want to see me in person.
Even though I work long distance. It's more common practice
to go to the medicine man in person, of course,
so they want to see me in person.
Speaker 2: There was one time we were.
Speaker 3: At a dance at one of the villages and this woman.
Speaker 2: It was just such a funny scene.
Speaker 3: I mean I still kind of think about it and go, wow,
that really happened.
Speaker 2: That was wild. This woman came.
Speaker 3: Dragging her leg, dragging it across the plaza, drag drag, drag,
and she gets to the door and she says, can
I see you? And I'm like, and there's all these
people in the house because it's always busy and people
cooking and kids running around. She drags herself and her
leg in and sits in the chair.
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Speaker 3: I said, what happened? And she said, well, you know,
there's no running water out there, so it's all outhouses
and people have to haulwater. She said, I came out
of the outhouse and fell down the cliff.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: It was like that.
Speaker 3: And I said, so, if you had an X ray,
I go right too, you know, go to the doctor.
She said no, she said anyway, So I worked on
her and and I did some repair work in her hip,
and I took a couple of things.
Speaker 2: Out that were more Yeah.
Speaker 3: I was working well, I was using my hand, but
but I took some things out of her that were
sent to her from another person to harm her. Okay, yeah,
we're going to get into that. But anyways, I kid
you not. This woman got up and normal as normal
can be, walked out of the house when we were done,
and walked across the plaza back to her house. And
I'm like, okay, that just happened.
Speaker 1: Interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but see, here's the thing people don't necessarily know
this in the broader sense of white culture. You know,
it's not. But in indigenous cultures there's things that are
practiced Mexico all over the world. But at Hope we
call it witching. It's like you get witched by someone.
They're using black magic. Sure, and it's very prevalent. It's
very prevalent in a lot of places on the planet.
Speaker 1: I'm Cuban, so I'm very familiar with it.
Speaker 2: You get it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so that's the kind of stuff I'm dealing with.
I'm like a priest disguised as a woman in the
twenty first century. I kid you not, I'm doing exorcisms
all day long.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So okay, So when you're talking about kind of
like black magic, I'll give you my example of my
experience in it. Being Cuban. Heard of Santaeto's. You've heard
of the term Santeto Santaia, which is the Cuban black
magic and white magic. I've had actual priests in my
family who, like my cousin, was a white. He wore
white for a year, everything was white for preparing himself
to become a white Santeto, which is to help protect
people from the dark magic. It's as I'm speaking about
it out loud. It sounds insane, it sounds in say,
but this is a cultural thing. It comes from the Islands,
from US and Afro Cuban. You know the concept of
voodoo and stuff. It's just a different version of that.
So I'm familiar with the black magic, but I've never
really dabbling. I haven't really gone deep into that kind
of stuff in here, and I've always been my feeling
on and what I've been told is if you have
a if you have protection around you, or if you
have spirits around you who are protecting you, that helps.
But there are people who try to send you bad juju?
Can you explain what that process is, how it works?
Speaker 3: Okay, So I'm I'm usually the one on the receiving
end of this. Sure, I don't practice such shit, and
I only work with angels. My guides are hi angelic beans.
I don't work with anything else. I am like, yeah,
that I that is not a realm that I will
ever go into the dark side to me, Yeah, yeah,
But I do spend a lot of my day clearing
this stuff from people, and there's you know, there's a
lot to be said about cultural influence and people coming
together and trying to bring down someone, put the mojo
on someone, you know, do harm to them. Vibration, it's
a very low vibration, but there's a lot of it
going on. I hate to tell you that there's a
lot of it going on, and people don't realize how
even how powerful their thoughts are.
Speaker 1: That's true.
Speaker 3: You can be driving behind somebody who's going really slow
and you're yelling get out of the way, you know,
and out of those words or these you know, little
zingers that are hitting the back of that person's head
and they're like, God, what is wrong with.
Speaker 2: The person behind me?
Speaker 3: And they didn't even turn around to look they feel it.
Speaker 2: You know, we are.
Speaker 3: Powerful, but we're reckless with our energy. We're not managing
our energy in a way that takes responsibility. And you know,
in my practice what I teach, I have a grounding meditation.
It involves grounding all the chakras because I'm a firm
believer that we should be received energy from the Earth
up into each chakra and we should be grounding our
energy down into the earth.
Speaker 2: So in this.
Speaker 3: Meditation that I teach, it grounds you and it helps
you to take responsibility for what you're doing with your energy.
Great example, everybody you've been in New York. You're walking
down the street in New York and there's this person
coming towards you, and you're like, Wow, they're really hot,
but they're not.
Speaker 2: They're not.
Speaker 3: They're okay, they're attractive, but they're not like super hot hot.
But they're running second chakra energy with everybody walking down
the street. So everybody's getting blasted with this second chakra
and you're all looking at this person going wow, you know, mesmerized. Well,
they're not grounding their energy.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you a question then. So I've
been around being working in Hollywood for as long as
I did, I was around a lot of celebrities, and
I was a lot of around some of the most
beautiful human beings I've on the planet, really, and I
realized that when I was it was in a room
with one of them or working with them, I can
I mean, there's an energy about them, there's something that
they they almost suck the wind out of the room.
Some of them, like they walk in and everyone just
hoof on them. Is that's what do you? I mean? Obviously,
if they're good looking, they're going to be good looking
on a physical level. But this is deeper. This is
a whole lot deeper. I've met some very interesting human
beings in the film industry, to say the least. But
some of these actors that I met, some of the
biggest movie stars in the world. I walk in, I go, oh,
I understand why that person's a movie star. I get it,
like it just the enter everything, it's just to them. What,
in your opinion, what's causing that other than there maybe
just their natural beauty. Yeah, because I've seen I've seen
beautiful people who don't have that.
Speaker 3: Well, that's what I was talking about. The person walking
on the street. Not beautiful, but everybody's drawn to that
person like a magnet, and I'm looking at them energetically,
going Okay, first chakras grounded, Second chakras blasting everybody. Third
chakras blasting everybody for chakras all over the place. You know,
I'm just going up the line, checking what's happening. And
I think that's what's happening with a lot of people
in the industry is they're not grounding their energy because
they're afraid if it's grounded, no one will see them.
It's kind of like that that invisible little hand coming out,
you know, tapping you on the shoulder. They're afraid that
you won't see them, so they've got to blast everybody
out to peacock.
Speaker 1: They have to kind of constantly be.
Speaker 3: They have to blast that energy out, and it's not
helping them. The more we ground our energy into the earth,
the more that earth energy will come up and support you.
It will support you, it will port your whole body function.
Speaker 1: Afterwards, I'm going to ask you about my chakras.
Speaker 3: Want to do it right now?
Speaker 1: Do you want to do it? You want to? I'd
love you to just look at my chakras and tell
me what I'm blasting. When I'm not blasting, what I
need to ground because I have not had that done.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, all right, I'll tell you just for fun. Okay.
Speaker 3: Your first chakra where you're sitting is very red.
Speaker 2: It's open.
Speaker 3: It's moving pretty fast, which is good to see. You
want your chakras spinning fast. Second chakras, Okay, it's a
little bit smaller. I think since we talked about blasting
with second chakra energy, yours kind of went okay, yeah,
keep quiet, but it's moving.
Speaker 2: It's got a lot of orange.
Speaker 3: It has some green in it, which tells me, you
know that your heart energy is definitely on that empathic level.
Speaker 1: You need to say hydrated while you do chakra.
Speaker 2: Work, No kidding.
Speaker 3: Your third chakra is really open, very very large. It's
it's it's got yellow in it, but it's also got
a lot of gold and tan color.
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Speaker 3: Oftentimes, when there's a mixture of color like that, you're
integrating something. You're you're assessing and sort of formulating what
does that mean for me and my power and my
physical well being? Right, heart chakra is good. What's interesting
about your heart chakra is it has a lot of uh,
what's that color. It's like a burgundy dark red, not
dark red, it's more of a it's got some pink
to it. And then there's green right at the center.
And well, again you're you're processing something, okay, So yeah,
the first chakra level, being all about food, clothing, survival
and everything grounded to the earth, is doing its thing
up in your heart. Like you're again, you're assessing and
trying to integrate something that has to do with your
survival on.
Speaker 2: A heart level.
Speaker 3: Okay, your fifth chakra beautiful throat, beautiful indigo, very open,
super super clear energy.
Speaker 1: That makes sense. Sense I do this for a living exactly.
Speaker 3: Sixth chakra, which is your third eye, it's it's open,
it's a little bit folded forward and and you know,
I'm just I'm I'm just gonna do it. I'm lifting
it up.
Speaker 2: Okay, now it's back up, it's.
Speaker 3: Moving, it's a it's a it's a light pale blue.
It's it's quite crystal, like a crystal almost feeling. Yeah,
it's it's beautiful.
Speaker 2: And oh, thank you.
Speaker 1: I have fantastic shocking.
Speaker 3: And your your seventh chakra is yeah, the crown you know,
they usually open out wide. Yours is kind of open
up this way.
Speaker 2: It's open.
Speaker 3: The vertical power current goes all the way up to
source and all the way down to the center of
the earth, and yours is it's very clear. All the
chakras hook into it like tubular flowers in so you
have you have chakras on the back side the let
me start over the vertical power current. The first chakra
hooks in this way, so it's it's facing down. Seventh
hooks in up this way directly into the court, whereas
the other chakras are hooking in front and back. Do
you understand like tubular flowers? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Interesting? Yeah, so overall diagnosis decent. Okay, chakras y Yeah,
I'm right, I.
Speaker 2: Look at the backside. But yeah, they look fine.
Speaker 3: Oh interesting, Fine, they look fine. I did not see
anything that alarmed me. I didn't see anything that made
me go, hey, we need to talk.
Speaker 1: Okay, good, that's a good thing. Yeah, that's a good thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's pretty fascinating. I've never had my chakras red before,
so that's very And you see ours as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, all the time, see everything.
Speaker 1: So you see oras all the time. So when you're
walking in, when you meet somebody for the first time,
you obviously have a one up because you're able to
see their aura. So if they're going to try to
do you harm or or if they're going to be
negative to you, or they're going to do something, you'll
see it before it comes. You know.
Speaker 2: I don't even work that way.
Speaker 1: Tell me how you do.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: I'm so open all the time. I'm so freaking open.
I'm like, because I don't have anything to hide. I
don't have anything. In fact, I wanted to talk to
you about this today please.
Speaker 2: I find that someone like me, with.
Speaker 3: Forty four years in this industry is often I speak
with authority on what I know sure, and I find
that people who don't understand the depth of work that
I've done, the depth of processing that I've done, and
the years, the four decades of meditation that I've done,
that that that is an authentic place as a woman
in a body experiencing my.
Speaker 2: Life. And what I.
Speaker 3: Hear people say is, oh, you know, she's all ego,
And it's like you don't even know, you don't even
know what the ego is, let alone what the false
ego is.
Speaker 2: I don't think people have done.
Speaker 3: The inner work to recognize what is healthy ego and
what is a false ego. And more importantly, we have
lived in a male dominant society for so long, since
about four thousand BC, that we have lost the thread
of what it means to be an authentic woman, to
be authentically in our power as a woman and not
be reflecting a man's power. Because the people who have
been in power for much of the last whatever.
Speaker 1: Thousands of years, thousands.
Speaker 3: Of years have been men, and so women mimic and copy.
We wear suits, we talk like men, we swear like men.
We you know, we've got this whole male gig down is.
I talk with authority because I know what I'm talking about.
I've lived it. I'm in the trenches. I'm working on
cancer every day. I'm working on clearing aliens and demons
and entities and stuff from people's bodies and fields. I'm
in the trenches. So I think it's important to define,
on this beautiful day that we're together, what is the
authentic authority of a woman. It's a great question and
something I'd love for your audience to ponder.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, I've said this before on the show.
I mean I've been surrounded by women my entire life.
I have no testistone in my life whatsoever. Even my
cat's balls are cut off, so they literally snowestosterone in
my life. So I'm surrounded by women constantly, and raised
by a single mom and grandmother and all that stuff.
Very few, you know male my grandfather and my father
obviously to a certain extent. But I but I've been
so I I understand. I understand as a guy, I
understand women. I hopefully at a deep level, and my
children and I literally all have is women run me. Right,
So you know, having having daughters, you look at the
world and you're like, you want to make them empowered,
you want to make them strong, you want to think.
But you're absolutely right in regards to where we've been
has been very male dominant. The masculine energy has been
basically running humanity for thousands of years. Yes, but I'm
noticing that within the last hundred there has been an
uprise in women. There has been the feminine energy is
starting to rise in a way. In a way because
and I've said this has been said on the show before,
that the masculine energy was needed for a period of
humanity's time because you needed that engine to the ego.
I need to conquer, I need to grow, I need
to You needed that energy. Now, you didn't need nurturing
energy at that point. You needed you know, kind of
that kind of energy. Where now the feminine energy is
starting to come back in because we need it, because
the feminine energy is what's gonna help balance this whole planet,
because if you keep going down the destructive, purely masculine energy,
which is wars and conquering and this and that we're
gonna we're not gonna make it. So we needed the
female nurturing energy now and now we're seeing you know,
obviously in our life. In my lifetime and a little
bit before, I mean, women didn't get the power to
vote until what what was the year, I think the
twenties or thirties, something like that. Before then they you know,
and then how long before they could get a credit
card and then like you needed a husband to co
sign for you was insane.
Speaker 3: So let's talk about dimensions.
Speaker 2: Yes, let's talk about.
Speaker 3: Dimensions, because it rolls into this. Okay, we have been
I believe humans have been here for about two million years,
and I believe that we were brought here. Sorry, I'm
not trying to step on anybody's toes of belief systems,
but I.
Speaker 2: Believe that we were brought here by.
Speaker 3: A race of beings. No, they're called MoU, the giants
called MoU.
Speaker 1: I've heard of them as well.
Speaker 3: I believe the giants built the pyramids, they built go
Beckley Teppe. They're responsible for a whole lot of stuff
that helped the people of Atlantis and then the people
of this phase of humanity. So we've been in the
fourth dimension up until the Mayan calendar ended, and that
started us moving into the fifth dimension. When that happened
in twenty twelve, people experienced weird things, absolutely, neck pain,
back pain, weird symptoms. I was watching listening talking to people,
what are you going through?
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Speaker 3: So it's kind of like that scene in Star Trek
when the ship enters the Nebula zone and all of
us we were like right entering. Well, now we're in
the middle of it. We're in it, and this fifth
dimension is a high, high vibration that is requiring us
to raise our vibration to meet it, not for the
vibration to meet us, because it's not all about us, what.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, we've got a lot of work to do.
Speaker 3: That's why I'm saying I'm posting on social media all
the time. You have to do the work, get the shovel,
you gotta do the work because in order to have
that high vibration, that high frequency, you have to know
what the inner landscape is. You have to know what
your traumas are. What your emotional wounding is. I just
got a call from a woman stage four ovarian cancer.
Can't figure out how it possibly could have happened. And
she came from a perfect family, and I'm like, I
got something to tell you here. There's no perfect family.
And furthermore, there's something very deep rooted down in your
pelvis that has grown over time that is now evolved
into cancer. There's always an emotional component to the illness, always,
and all cancers fall under the scope of resentment and anger.
Everybody I've ever worked on who has cancer, So what
do you really feel? Well, I'm really angry, I'm really resentful.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So now that we're in this fifth dimension and
we're all trying to navigate it and going, I don't know,
you know, I'm all over the place.
Speaker 2: I can't focus.
Speaker 3: I'm so confused, and I can't find anybody to be with.
Speaker 2: There's no people. I'm only on social media.
Speaker 3: I mean, it goes on and on and on, and
it's because this energy is so high that it takes
everything we have to focus and to get clear on
what we're doing.
Speaker 2: Oh, what's my purpose?
Speaker 3: Oh, for God's sakes, let me tell you everybody's purpose.
Speaker 2: We are here to.
Speaker 3: Love at the deepest level of our being explod riot
of explosion at the heart. That's how much we're supposed
to be loving. We're supposed to love everybody around the
world as much as we love our families, our dogs,
our cats, our children. And we're so resistant, we're so like, no,
I can't love that person. They're horrible. It's like, yeah, okay,
I get it, I get it. But love is the vibration,
the most powerful vibration that we can connect with, because
when we're in that state of love, we open up
to divine love, which is what we came from. And
then there's e merging of those vibrations and guess what
helps us get through the fifth dimension?
Speaker 2: Love yep, yep, interesting yep.
Speaker 3: As the Beatles saying all you need is love.
Speaker 1: Well, the Beatles brought in a whole lot of that
back in the day, there's no question about that. What
I find fascinating as well, is that your background in
the Native American side of you, your heritage they do
they talk about chakras and and they talk about these
kind of things with the terminology from the east. Is
it a different name for it? For them.
Speaker 3: No, I think it's very different. I think that there's
you know, there's some traditions that practice a more you know,
traditional native doctrine. You know, you're a bone doctor on
the res you're going to adjust people's bones, you're a healer.
But I would say most medicine people are across the
country are working similarly to how I work, in that
they are looking for what was done to this person
that has made them ill. See that's interesting. I work
both ways.
Speaker 2: I want to know what.
Speaker 3: Did you experience and create from an emotional wound that
sprouted this illness, Whereas in a more traditional native way,
I think it's what somebody put the mojo on you.
And believe me, I take stuff off of people all
the time, and their symptoms are gone. They're totally clear.
So it's you see what I'm saying, It's kind of
two streets that I walk on. I walk on take
responsibility and I walk on. Okay, let's look at what
happened here.
Speaker 1: Now. Another aspect of the thing of the work you
do is you are a spirit traveler. M please tell
me what a spirit traveler is? What that sounds fascinating? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Well, okay, long time ago. I don't know, twenty five
years ago, Sean and I went to the Willaua Mountains
in eastern Oregon. We got a cabin. We were all excited.
It's beautiful there. I grew up camping and you know,
backpacking into the woods.
Speaker 2: So anyways, we're there. I'm happy.
Speaker 3: I told Sean I'm gonna sit down and just do
like a twenty minute meditation, and he said, okay, I'm
gonna sit here on the porch and just hang out.
I'll wait for you and then we'll cook dinner. So
it was kind of dusk. Well, in my meditation, I
was experiencing when I go into meditation, my body dissolving
and just becoming like grains of sand that just rolled
into the trees or whatever was my environment. So I
was gone. I was gone, and my guides, who are
high angelic beans, came held their hand out and said,
we want to show you something. I said, okay, I
took their hands and we went up and I mean
I felt it. I felt the air. We went up
and up and up, and we kept going up and
I'm like, okay, we're out in space now. We really
went up, and we ended up at this place that
they informed me was called the center of the universe.
Speaker 2: That's okay, that's significant.
Speaker 1: So you don't see Earth at this point.
Speaker 3: No, you're gone, gone, I'm gone.
Speaker 1: Because I say, we're not that close to the nervous.
Speaker 2: No, I was gone, gone.
Speaker 3: And there were these beans there and I call them
the Savroc but they're the ant people, and the ant
I've met the Ant people I'd spirit traveled.
Speaker 2: Not then. This was the first.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'd met the Ant people before, but not in
this context. So they're standing there and I'm like, what
are you guys doing here? They said, we take care
of the center of the universe, and I said, wow,
cool job. And they said there was this kind of
milky white substance and they said we want you to
step into this. And I looked at my guides like, okay,
I'm really scared now, and they said it's okay.
Speaker 2: So I stepped in.
Speaker 3: Absolutely hands down. I can't even fully explain it to you.
I went into such a state of bliss that I
was just I mean, it was overwhelming. I was totally like,
I'm never coming out of this, I'm forever staying here.
And about that time, they said it's time to go,
and I'm like no, So I took their hands.
Speaker 2: We went back down.
Speaker 3: We thanked the Savroc of course, and we went back
down and it was five hours later.
Speaker 2: But for you, it was like this, Sean was still
sitting there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was still sitting there.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, no, I'm okay.
Speaker 3: He was still sitting there, and I'm like, oh my god.
It was like dark and yeah, wow, it was crazy.
It was crazy.
Speaker 1: And he left you there for five hours. He didn't
bother you.
Speaker 3: Oh he knew I was gone.
Speaker 2: He could tell. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So ever since then, I call my ability to spirit
travel a process in which I have to go into meditation.
I can't go anywhere unless I am fully dissolved, and
then I take my guide's hands. I never go anywhere
without them, and they take me to a place back
in time that they want to show me. So we've
been to the Great Pyramids, We've been to go Beckley, Teppe.
We've been to Easter Island. We've been all over the
place various time frames. Probably the most interesting was going
back to Atlantis.
Speaker 1: Please, yeah, explain, Please tell us the story. What was
it like being in Atlantis?
Speaker 3: It was really cool because point in two time periods.
We first we went back to Atlantis after right before
Atlantis fell.
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Speaker 3: And then we went back to two hundred and fifty
thousand BC at the beginning of Atlantis.
Speaker 1: Okay, and there was right before it fell.
Speaker 3: And yeah, at the beginning, I see Atlantis starting around
two hundred and fifty thousand BC. It's a long time
for a civilization.
Speaker 1: One civilization. Did they have cycles? Yeah, well, so the
destruction cycle, rebirth cycle.
Speaker 3: There were there were some cycles, but it was more influence.
Influence coming in.
Speaker 2: It's the latter part.
Speaker 3: It was on Anaki coming in and wanting to enslave
the people.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Interesting.
Speaker 3: So at the beginning, there was a temple that was built,
and the temple was in the shape of a big serpent,
and you walked down the hallway inside the serpent, and
there was an altar at the end at the head
of the serpent, and water all around the altar. And
during this time an alien race came and visited them
and gave them a sphere, and the sphere held some
form of nuclear power, and that sphere was kept in
this temple in the water under the altar, it was
kept safe.
Speaker 1: Is that what the Great Pyramid was supposed to be for,
because it's not a tomb.
Speaker 3: Hold that thought? Okay, So over time they were shown
how to use this power, and they utilized it very specifically.
They were very careful about what they used it for.
But in the end showing up now at the end
of the Fall of Atlantis, there was another race of
beings not from Earth that got a hold of that
sphere and it caused a nuclear they opened it, it
caused a nuclear reaction, and that was the beginning of
the fall of Atlantis. That was the beginning. Then over
the course of one hundred years, all these comets came in.
And now I view comets as the watchdogs of the universe,
and they.
Speaker 2: Protect the Earth.
Speaker 3: If they see anybody messing with her, they're on it.
They're coming. They're not going to even if they crash
into Earth, it's to rid her of her flo right,
It's kind of like that.
Speaker 1: It's a total endgame kind of scenario though.
Speaker 3: But yes, yeah, it's a sledgehammer, it's not a scalpel, right,
But they're definitely they're the watchdogs. Okay, so they came
in hit the earth land mass has shifted, broke off.
You know, we know the fall of Atlantis. And I
saw all of this, and I thought the nuclear part
of it was so interesting because I did not suspect that.
Speaker 2: I did not, and.
Speaker 3: Yet here we are today dealing with this ducular power
war whatever. You know, everybody worried about what's going to
happen next, and I'm like, yeah, okay, I get it
now where this is as much of a cycle as
anything else. It's all cyclical, and it's all karmic. Everything,
even this moment between you and I, it's karmic. There
is no like, why is it. I just walked past
one hundred people in New York and I don't have
any interaction with it because I don't have any karma
with those people. Yeah, so it's all cyclical and all karmic.
And I do feel that things are predestined.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: I think that we have free will and that we
can definitely raise our vibration and do the things that
we want to do, but we have to know and
understand what our karma is so we can do those
things within the context of that is.
Speaker 1: This concept of karma. Is that something that the Hopies
also have, is it but it's not called karma? Or
is that even something that they.
Speaker 3: I don't you know, they have prophecies and they believe
that we were we came to Earth in the first world.
You were born of the earth in the first world
from Grandmother's spider and the creator, the massole was there
here on the planet with a torch and that was
the only light. And there's the whole process of you know,
what happened in that first world and then that ended,
and then the second world happened, and there's a whole problem,
and then the Third world happened and that came to
an end floods and you know, devastation, and now we're
in the fourth world, and there is the prophecy that
the fourth world will come to an end and that
we will move into the.
Speaker 1: Fifth world, which is what it's.
Speaker 3: Everything cyclical, yes, everything, everything cyclical. Even our emotional patterning
is cyclical. You know, we're just nothing but a bunch
of cycles, pretty much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I mean absolutely, there's no question about it. Yeah.
So when you when you're doing the spirit travel and
you've gone to the different places, oh so great Pyramid
back to a great parent great Pyramid. Yes, is that
what that was? Because that's the question I've had, and
many people have had it. They say, it's a tomb.
It's not a tomb.
Speaker 3: No, it's not a tomb. And in both of my
Spirit Traveler books I have two out, I talk about
the Kaffree Pyramid in the first one and the Great
Pyramid in the second one, And what I describe is
they are a teleportal system. They are a transport system.
The Great Pyramid was built first with the sarcophagus and
the room that that is held in. That was the
first part that was built. Everything came afterwards and was
built over it. And I experienced it. I spirit traveled
back there. I absolutely got transported off planet. And it
does go to Orion's Elt.
Speaker 1: That is the transport to So I've heard from people
who have gone to the Gray Pyramid and have gone
inside the King's Chamber that they meditate there, they'll play
some music there or they'll hit a sound and it's
just the vibration in that room is something out other worldly.
But many of them are like, literally the sky opens
up to them, they see the stars. It's they've had
many reports like that.
Speaker 3: Yes, that, and it is sound. That part of the
transport is sound.
Speaker 1: When you say that, did you ever see the movie
Contact Is? Is that kind of what we're talking about
as far as the transporting through wormholes and all that
kind of stuff. Yes, I love that movie.
Speaker 2: I love that movie too, And they're remaking it.
Speaker 3: Did you know that they're remaking it?
Speaker 1: Of course they're remaking. They're remaking everything because they have
no original ideas anymore.
Speaker 2: They need to talk to me.
Speaker 1: Oh god, they're terrified. Dolly's terrified doing anything original anymore.
But the original movie with Jodie Foster and Matthew McConaughey,
I love it. It was Oh god, not Carl, not
Carl Young, but Carl who's the writer, Sagan? Thank you
Carl Sagan. He was a very spirit It seems like
he was a very spiritual dude. Yeah, he was a deep,
deep guy. I mean it was into this obviously as
a star as an astronomer and scientist, but he was
a very deep guy. I mean, you read that, you
read that, you watch that movie, you read that book,
you're just like, what is happening? So it is similar though.
Speaker 3: I think it's similar my experience because I went there
spirit traveling and was.
Speaker 2: Literally taken up.
Speaker 3: But I do believe that people have experiences of travel
time travel or teleporting to a planet, whatever by just
being in that room, in that space.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you something. When you're traveling spirit traveling
through time, so, like you said, you were at the
beginning of Atlantis, at the end of Atlantis. This might
be a very difficult question or very deep question. But
how does that work? I heard somewhere that all all time,
all lifetimes are happening in the exact same time. So
we're the soul is experiencing multiple lifetimes at the exact
same time. So right now, as we're speaking, Atlantis is
falling at the exact same time. It's hard for our
little brains to wrap around it. Can you explain how
that time travel aspect of it works? Are we jumping
to different timelines? Are we all the same timeline in
a different place? Like I said, this is.
Speaker 3: A So the best explanation I can give you is,
I'm not my body time traveling.
Speaker 1: No, of course not.
Speaker 3: So I'm in I'm in like an etheric.
Speaker 1: State, almost astral traveling.
Speaker 2: No, it's not astral travel.
Speaker 1: It's something different.
Speaker 3: It's something completely different. I can't experience this level of
travel unless I go into meditation and feel my body
completely dissolving.
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Speaker 3: So that right there takes it out of the astral
travel arena. Okay, So when they take me and we go,
there's some crossing of timelines that's happening. But I'm feeling
the air, the cold. Sometimes I wear a coat because
they tell me it's going to be cold.
Speaker 2: It's wild.
Speaker 1: Your theory of body can get cold.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes it does.
Speaker 3: I mean I've felt it when I come back exhausted.
I think I've only been gone half an hour. I've
been gone five hours. I've been gone.
Speaker 2: I mean it's crazy.
Speaker 1: Are you familiar with Yogananda. Yeah, he would talk about
this stuff that he would He's like, I'm going to
go away. Now, I'll be gone for a few days.
If you need me, just come into my ear and
whisper that we need you, and I'll come back. And
he would go into these deep meditations and he would
just be gone. Yeah. Just he's traveling, he's going doing
and a lot of the Yogi's and a lot of
the gurus and swamis have talked about this throw No.
Speaker 3: A friend of mine brought me back some for booty
from Saibaba and she said, put it under your tongue
before you go to bed, and so I did. And
I knew who Saibaba was. I was definitely aware and
you know, felt totally fine with him.
Speaker 2: So I did. I put it under my tongue.
Speaker 3: That night, I dreamt I was and I don't know
anything about his ashram, So I dreamt I was in
an ashram and he met me. He took me by
the hand, and he pushed on a wall and it
popped open like a door, and we sat in this
private room and we talked about like super deep spiritual
stuff that was like it was so incredible the conversation.
And then I came back and I went to see
her the next day and I said, okay, so I
had this dream I was in this place. This is
what it looked like. I described the ashram to a
tea and she and I told her about the wall
that popped open like a door, and she said, that
is exactly what it looks like. And there is a
door into a private room she said.
Speaker 2: You were there.
Speaker 1: Interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I totally had this connection with him. Was so
it was so interesting to have that like.
Speaker 2: Be there and.
Speaker 3: Not feel that there was any separation between this reality
and that.
Speaker 1: So, yea, I'm gonna ask you something. Uh. I find
this really interesting. And again I have a unique perspective
because of the amount of people in this space that
I speak to on a daily daily basis. From all
walks of life. There seems to be levels, and it's
not above or beyond, just different levels where the experience,
the human experience is so distinctly different. So obviously you
and I are having a very deep conversation about sparrow
travel and going to you know, goog gurus ashroms in
the meditation in India and all this kind of stuff.
And then there's there's people who are just like I
can't pay my bills tonight. They can't even comprehend what
we're talking about. And I think all of us have
been at all levels of it. Very few saints coming
fully formed. They usually have to go through the process.
But I'm noticing it. Even within my own life, I'm
experiencing things on a spiritual level that I never could
even conceive of when I was in my twenties. I mean,
when I read Autobiography or the Yogi for the first time,
I'm like, I stopped in chapter three. I was like,
what by a location? This is crazy, I'm out of here,
and I just I put it down. I couldn't. I
couldn't wrap my head around it. So I've evolved to
a point where I, when I finally picked it up again,
go oh, now I get it. Now I'm ready for it.
But you had to kind of get yourself to a level.
So when people ask me about meditation all the time,
they're like, oh, you know, how do I meditate? Or
how can I get to these deep places? Like? It
takes work. It takes time to meditate. I mean I've
been meditating for probably almost a decade now, over a
little bit over a decade, And when I first started,
I wasn't feeling what I feel now when I go
to meditate. Rights But it takes time to build this up.
So I'm bringing this up for people to understand that
just because you can't spirit travel, I can't at least
I don't think I can or have these abilities. We're
all capable of it.
Speaker 3: It's just okay, and I'm glad you brought this up.
Speaker 2: Please, this is really important.
Speaker 3: We are all spiritual, Yes, we are all infinite souls
having a human experience. We are all capable, maybe not willing,
but we are all capable of meditation. We are all empathic.
We all have super duper intuition if we choose to
tap into that. But this is where karma comes in. Okay, Karmically,
I have had lifetime after lifetime after lifetime of being
some type of healer. That's the you know, the cross
eye bear. I have to go through that and obviously
work through things being burned at the steak and hung
and all kinds of things for being heretic. So I'm
still working that out right. Some people have karma where
they're a farmer. They're really good as a farmer. They
know plants, they know the David realm, they understand nature,
and that shouldn't be a repellent. That should be a wow,
I'm good at this. I should do this. This is
my purpose, right, So we all have sort of these
different things karmically that we're working through. Can everybody do
what I do?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: I don't think so.
Speaker 3: Can everybody do what you do, huh. I don't think so.
Speaker 1: Well, the people who have different skill set, like I
can't play basketball like Michael Jordan, right, I just can't.
Speaker 3: And I tell people all the time, if you need
brain surgery, because we're all one and we're all the same,
are you going to ask the kid begging your groceries
to do your brain surgery?
Speaker 2: I don't think so.
Speaker 1: There's skills that need to be acquired exactly or cultivate.
And this perfect example I'll bring Michael Jordan back up
is when he started, he had obviously natural talent. Yeah,
but he was cut from his high school team. Yeah,
he had to work at it, he had to develop
that talent, but he had a good starting place. But
that was obviously what he was supposed to be doing.
Speaker 3: And this brings us full circle back to addiction and
the whole idea that spiritualism has become as big of
an addiction as any addiction. Preach, preach, I'm telling you,
I mean, you know, I've read this book, I've read
that book, I've taken this workshop, I've gone to Joe Despenza,
I've gone here, I've gone there, blah blah blah blah blah,
and I'm still not clear about what I'm supposed to
be doing or why I have this chronic depression.
Speaker 2: Well, I hear that all the time.
Speaker 1: But sonia isn't it. Because when you do that kind
of stuff and you're constantly and it's great, you're reading books,
you're educating yourself, watching podcasts, you're downloading courses, that's all fantastic, yes,
but it could be addictive because it could be a false.
It's a false the false ego, if you will, is
going to I've met people like I'm the most spiritual person.
I'm the almost humble person. Really, if you're saying it,
that's probably not a good thing. I know so. But
the thing is that there, it's all surface level stuff.
They're not digging deep, and it's kind of like this
kind of almost rat race, almost wheel, spinning wheel that
you're on that you can't get off because you're just
constantly doing the surface level stuff but you're not doing
the deep work. But you're lying to yourself saying I'm
super spiritual because I've got all the products that I
have to have. I have the crystals in the room,
I'm saging every night. Know, I have my tarot deck, here.
I've got my oracle deck over there, and those are
all wonderful things they are. But the tools, like anything.
Speaker 2: They're tools.
Speaker 3: They're tools. And you know, if there's one thing that
my native culture really has taught me is we yes,
we need to be humble, and we need to walk
as what we say, a good red road. You know,
we have to we have to be mindful that other
people have feelings, they matter, They they when they need
our compassion, they need our love. They might not have
what you have, or maybe you have less than them,
but you have, you know, your your infinite soul inside
of you that's guiding you. There's there's so mu much
to spiritualism that, like I said, has become a bit
of an addiction. People running off to an ayahuasca ceremony
and then running off to do psychedelics and then smoking
pod and you know, all these things that yeah done
in a very ceremonial way might help you get to
what you need to get to. People with PTSD, people
in military. Absolutely, But.
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Speaker 3: But we I feel it's so important that we know
what that content is inside of us that we do
that deep exploration of emotional wounds and trauma so that
we can then approach that spiritual path from a place
of grounded, focused perseverance.
Speaker 1: One thing you were saying in regards to the lifetimes,
that you've been a healer in many lifetimes. I've been
told that I've been a monk and a radical, and
I was in many lifetimes. I was jailed and you know,
I'm sure I was a witch at one point many lifetimes.
I was speaking to.
Speaker 3: It was in Scotland. You were you're you were a
woman in that lifetime, and you were you had your
thumbs and your toe your big toes tied together and
you were pushed in the moat and the and if
you drowned, you were definitely a witch. If you survived it,
then you were killed and given a Christian burial. That's
how you died in that in that lifetime, being a witch.
I just saw it really clear.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sorry, I was like.
Speaker 1: I didn't know you did past life, past life, all
of it.
Speaker 2: I do all of it.
Speaker 1: That's fascinating. But I was talking to a guest. He
was a ex military Special Forces and he's done a
lot of what special Forces do around the world things
like that, And he spent a lot of time in
the jungles of South America and there he wouldn't go
to a village and he would meet the medicine man
and one medicine that one day he had a session
with this medicine man in the jungle and he basically
asked them why why he's a very deep mad love
to his name is Tulam. I love him. He has
a very deep spiritual aspect to him, even being a warrior.
And he asked, like, why am I like this? Because
there was a sadness to him that he was a
warrior in this life. Yeah, had to do what he
did as a warrior. And the medicine man said, well,
that's you. That's your breed. He goes, what do you mean,
he goes, it's like a dog breed. You're warrior. You
have been warrior and many many many lifetimes. That's what
you know, and that's why you're drawn to it every
single lifetime. So it's similar to you as a healer,
similar to me as a communicator or a I guess
a spiritual person. You're drawn to.
Speaker 3: It well, and even you know as a healer. What
I see with people is someone will come to me,
you know, I broke my leg. Can you work on
the bone? I need help, you know, healing this quickly
because I've got a marathon to rut.
Speaker 1: No, i gotta go up to Mount Everest and right,
can you hook me up please?
Speaker 3: So I'm working on their leg, but I'm also looking
at the cycle, and there it is.
Speaker 2: The background, the background.
Speaker 3: Last lifetime killed in Vietnam, leg broken, quick reincarnation, lifetime
before World War Two, shot in the leg, died from infection,
next lifetime, acts in the leg. It kept going where
it was, always the leg and always being either shattered,
broken or wild.
Speaker 1: So what is it? Is a karmic thing.
Speaker 2: It's karmic.
Speaker 1: It just had to constantly karmic. And he does he
have to clear something for.
Speaker 2: You to go in And I clear it karmically. Yes,
I do that.
Speaker 1: And now next lifetime he's not gonna have to deal
with that.
Speaker 3: Correct, correct, And a story about that please. Two women
up in Canada called me. They said, our brother is
in New Mexico. He hasn't talked to us in I
don't know, it was like ten twelve years. And our
mom is really starting to get worried because he hasn't
talked to her either. Can you help us out? And
I went back into the lifetime where the whole family
had begun, and I told the two like the soul
group if you will, yeah, as a soul group. And
I told the two sisters about it, and I told
them in detail what happened, who each person were, what,
and then I cleared it karmically.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: They called me the next day and they said, you're
not going to believe what happened.
Speaker 2: I said, oh, yeah, I am.
Speaker 3: They called me and said that their brother out of
the blue called their mother and said, I just had
to call you. I had the weirdest dream last night,
and his dream, verbatim, was the past life that I
had told the girls about and had cleared.
Speaker 1: There was that was that's powerful. I spoke to somebody
one day. I forgot who it was, but they were
telling me about a past life. And then that past
life they were in Scotland and they were giant, big muscle,
you know, six seven giant guy with you know, you
know the axe and all, you know, all that stuff,
and they were in the battle and he got chopped
right here with the acts, Well, in this life he's
had shoulder issues his entire life and they don't understand why.
They just like they didn't. It's like, Oh, it's Karmick.
That's what you're dealing with from that other So in
this lifetime. And I've heard this and I'd love to
hear your thoughts on it. The body is a representation,
karmically of where you've been in other areas. So if
you have a mole and like your back, let's say,
and it's a big, big mole that easily could have
been a bullet hole from a former life that you
got shot in the back. Sometimes it's not painful, but
it's just there as a reminder. So if you're looking
at your body and you're like, oh, I've always had
the kinky or always have this, you know this, this birthmark,
all that stuff comes from Karmick.
Speaker 3: Yes, Yes, I did a past life reading for a
woman who was she's a very successful singer and in
her last life she was a singer in Singapore and
I told her the whole thing, you know, we were
doing a whole past life reading and she got online
and started looking for herself in that last life.
Speaker 1: Because it was recent enough.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and she found the picture and the woman
and it looked.
Speaker 2: Just like her.
Speaker 3: Stop it.
Speaker 2: I'm not kidding.
Speaker 3: And I've read people who were on the USS Arizona
when Pearl Harbor got bombed, and they have found them
of goosebumps, they've found themselves and they look just like
they look in this lifetime.
Speaker 1: There has been some online. I've seen some doppelgangers mm
hmm that you look like past pictures from like the
eighteen hundreds, and you look like is that Matthew McConaughey, Like,
is that like the actors who.
Speaker 2: Just like identical identical?
Speaker 1: They look like they're just in costume. It's fascinating.
Speaker 3: It's it's weird, this.
Speaker 1: Whole, this whole experiment, this whole journey of humanity and
the soul. It's it's so deep, so vast, and we
have barely scratched even not even a scratch on the
surface of everything that's and we're just talking about our
little planet, our little our little blue marble in the universe.
And there's so much more universe out there. It's so
much a waste of space. I always say it's a
waste of space that there's nothing else out there. I
wanted to ask you in regards to the indigenous side
of you, is there any prophecies is that side, if
it's the left side of this, from your from that
from that side of you? Is there have you heard
or have been taught about prophecies about the future, about
our time periods when like you would talking about the
fifth we're going into the fifth, We're in the fifth dimenson,
we're in the middle of it. Because so many people
are so concerned about what's happening right now in the world,
and we all feel it, you know. I mean, I've
been around since the seventies. The world's changed a whole
lot since then. Every decade was a little bit different vibe.
In the twenties it's been insane. We came in like
a rocket with the pandemic, and it's just been every
year it's just been crazier and crazier. So what do
you see for humanity currently in the next year or two?
And is there some more vast prophecy that you can
share share with us?
Speaker 2: You know, do you remember the movie Jamungjie?
Speaker 3: Of course, that's what I hear about the future is
like these drums going.
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Speaker 3: I think there's prophecies about. There's all kinds of prophecies.
Of course, Hope has their prophecies.
Speaker 1: Do they reap or are they just completely off from
each other? These are the prophecies. I mean, like you said,
the Hope, you have their prophecs.
Speaker 3: Hopies have their prophecy. I was thinking, you know, Christians
have their prophecy. Different different groups around the planet have prophecies.
What I see is we live in a phase of humanity.
So this phase of humanity began when Atlantis fell. Many
of us incarnated. Towards the end of Atlantis, we came
and had several lifetimes in Atlantis. Like, oh, let me
try this out. Okay, I sign me up. I like
it right.
Speaker 2: So we have this phase of.
Speaker 3: Humanity that's now coming to an end. Does it have
to be catastrophic?
Speaker 2: No? Is the Earth a part of it?
Speaker 3: Yes? Does she have to cycle like we do?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 3: Will there be some bigger events yes? Can we handle it, Yes,
we can handle it. But we're all slightly dialed in
with so many lifetimes and catastrophic things happening in those lifetimes,
and many of us having experienced the fall of Atlantis
or Lumeria that we're kind of bracing ourselves, like, oh God,
I remember this, I remember this feeling, you know, And
people are getting really amped up. Interesting, and so I
feel it's it's the collective. As a collective, it's up
to us. And one of the elements in our soul body,
aside from divine love and peace, is hope. And it
is up to us as a collective to dial into
that vibration that we carry in our soul body that
is called hope. And if we keep going down the
doom and gloom road and we keep watching Independence Day
and god knows what else we can watch, that sets
us off on edge. You know that it's all going
to fall into a rubble and we're going to perish.
Then we're losing the opportunity to bring hope into our
children's lives. And it's our kids who need that, you know.
It's like, God, how long did your parents tell you
Santa Clau was real?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: And it was a bummer to find out Santa Claus
wasn't real?
Speaker 1: What what? Spoiler spoiler alert everybody, hopefully if there's if
there's any nine year olds watching, I apology, I apologize.
She's she's she's making that up. Of course he's real,
stop it.
Speaker 3: But our kids really need that help. And there's that
younger generation right now that is trying desperately to find
some reason, some semblance as to why it's worth being here.
And for the parents out there who have children, man,
this is so important because you know, between iPads and
phones and computers and TV, we've lost that thread to
nature and and if we really want to know why
we're here, we're here because of her, because of the Earth,
and we're bound to her forever.
Speaker 2: We are bound to her.
Speaker 3: She may lose her body, this big, beautiful blue body
she has, but she'll go and find another planet and reincarnate,
just like we do as a series. Her cycles are
millions of years long. Ours are much shorter, but we
are bound to her. So when she finds another body,
guess where we're all going. We're going to go to
her and have new bodies and a new experience.
Speaker 1: Do you believe that there was a lot of this
generation the last one hundred and fifty years. The amount
of technology and advancements that we have gotten dwarf the
last ten thousand years or so, if not longer. We
did it so quickly, even within our lifetime. So much
has changed so fast. Do you believe it's because of that?
These are incarnated souls from Atlantis, which had advanced technologies,
which had advanced ideas that came in there, like oh,
where's the phone. We don't have a phone. All right,
let's get a phone going. You know, what's what's with
the horses everywhere? Let's get Henry, Henry come over here.
Can we get the car thing going? You know what
kind of does that make sense?
Speaker 2: It makes sense?
Speaker 3: And I think to some extent yes, And I am
a very firm believer that there are extraterrestrials that have
come in imparted wisdom to certain scientists and people on
the Earth.
Speaker 1: And and and when you say and when you say
extra extraterrestrials, you know a lot of people are like, oh,
we're going into that world. But that's something that's been
talked about in native cultures throughout time, the star people.
It's it's ingrained in the cultures of that and then
also just going back to the Sumerian tablets of the
Anonaki that you know, they decided to sit down carve
out this story. I don't think they were writing fiction
at the time, at least they I mean, it's you
know what I mean and all of that kind of stuff.
So there is a basis for this. It's not just
tinfoil hat theory. Now, this is a real idea.
Speaker 3: I went out into the field, you know, we shot
a documentary called Spirit Traveler, Looking into the Past to
find a Better Future, right, And we went into Utah
and hiked way back into the the rocks around Zion
or no, we were we were by.
Speaker 2: Bluff.
Speaker 3: Oh, I can't think of it southern. It's southern Utah.
So we're up in the rocks and we come to
a site that Scott pictographs and all kinds of stuff.
Obviously people had lived there, and there were small red
handprints on the wall, small all over handprints, and then
in the middle of it one very large handprint with
fingers this long and little suction cup tops of the fingers. Yeah,
and I think that peoples have been visited and infiltrated
by Star people for a long long time, a long
long time.
Speaker 1: I mean it's in every culture around the world.
Speaker 2: It is in every culture, it is.
Speaker 3: And we compared Hopie culture and we compared Celtic culture
and circular things created by those two cultures. So it's
a really fascinating documentary. But this handprint is like, yeah,
I mean you can't. I mean, I'm standing in front
of it, going this is not right.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean the concept of pyramids being around the
entire planet and technically should have never been speaking to
each other, right, you know how the Mayans were building
pyramids and the Egyptians and the Japanese were and.
Speaker 3: The giants move. The giants move. When I went to
Easter Island, they okay, So I went to Easter Island
and they wanted to show me how the big heads
on Easter they're really bodies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how they got there? They are bodies. Yeah, they
found that out.
Speaker 3: Now, Yeah, the giants move. Who I'd met back at
the Great Pyramid, they showed up. They said, we're going
to take you where we come from. And we went up,
just like I did with my guides, up up, up,
up up, and we were on a planet in the
Pegasus constellation where they come from. And there were pyramids,
there were pyramids on this planet.
Speaker 1: What is about What is about the pyramid that's so powerful?
Is it the actual sacred geometry of it?
Speaker 3: Yes, and the fact that it is a uh.
Speaker 2: It's like a marker.
Speaker 3: It's like a marker, mile marker, almost a mile for
where for where that energy is collected and formulated for them.
Speaker 1: So in other words, it's the sacred energy grade of
the of the planet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and these and they're all on the tropic of you.
Speaker 1: Read I was about to say that all these pyramids.
You don't find pyramids down in the deeps of South
America or in South Africa. You find them all.
Speaker 2: Around the tropic of Cancer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's where all of them are. They're all lined
up around the exact same.
Speaker 2: That's right area.
Speaker 1: It's fascinating, it is.
Speaker 3: But I think the giants smooth are the architects of
those and I think they've helped humanity many times. Maybe
they'll come back and help us again.
Speaker 1: I'm curious of what would happen if they did, Like,
how would we react to it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, well there's a lot of things. How
are we going to react?
Speaker 1: I mean, if if Jesus came back today, what do
you think would happen? I mean, like, it's yeah, he
would not be accepted. I don't think well, I.
Speaker 3: Think half the half the populace at this point would say, oh,
that's AI.
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That's not real.
Speaker 2: That's right, that's not real.
Speaker 1: It's right because we're so we're so cynical.
Speaker 2: Oh god, we're cynical.
Speaker 1: We are so cynical. I tell people all.
Speaker 3: The time that guy standing in front of you could
be Jesus. It could bite you in the nose and
you wouldn't know it because you are so disconnected from
paying attention.
Speaker 2: We've just were.
Speaker 3: Desensitized to each other, to to the human contact experience.
And we're in our phones, we're in our electronics. We're
starting to float away with AI.
Speaker 2: Now. I mean, that's happening.
Speaker 1: Oh very much. So where do you think, sonya, where
do you think that we're going to go as a species,
as a collective, Because it seems that anytime that humanity
has given a new toy, a new technology, we go
all in on all of it, Jenn. I mean it
takes a minute accustomed to it, but they really go
all into it. The idea of social media and the Internet.
It's a very powerful tool and it makes our lives
in many ways better. But also, you know, we're more
connected than we've ever been, but we're lonelier than we've
ever been. That's right, you know, because you and I
remember a time prior to the Internet and what the
life and life was, life was like. You know a
lot of people have been saying that peak humanity was
the nineties, Like that's peak humanity was right before the
Internet came in and people were still talking to each
other that had social skills. Where do you think, you know,
with AI, AI is a very interesting concept and idea.
It is a very powerful tool and only getting more
powerful on a daily basis actually scary how fast it's growing.
I mean, it's growing so so fast. I see a
world where you know, we are in holid decks and
we're experiencing, we're experiencing things, not even just being in
a holid deck, interacting, touching. I don't know how that
technology would work, but I can see I can see
where that's going. Maybe in our lifetimes. Maybe not in
our lifetimes, but I see that for humanity. But one
hundred years from now, I mean, the technology, if we survive,
if we're all, if we could all just make it
through this.
Speaker 3: I just want a Star Trek suit.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 3: I'm like, if I had a Star Trek suit, I
wouldn't have to pack a bag and do all that crap. Yeah,
you just hit a button and you got your suit on.
Speaker 1: And the food the little food maker is really nice.
That's always like I would like a filam and Young Okay,
thank you, Damus. That's very nice. You know, uh, there's
a lot of Star Trek was you know, I'm a
I'm a Star Wars dude, but I do love Star
Trek Oh.
Speaker 2: I'm a total treking.
Speaker 1: I love I do really love Star Treking. And and
the vision of the future that Jean had geen Ron
America was so beautiful. It was inclusive, very inclusive. Every
culture was represented there and and.
Speaker 3: And it was all about making peace with people and beans. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah from around it was just such a beautiful thing.
So my question is where do you think this is
all going to go? You know, how do you how
do you have you seen anything if you have. But
in generally just within the next hundred years, where are
we going to be.
Speaker 3: I think we're going to have a complete shift in
our societ society, how we live, what the parameters are,
because many people's jobs will be taken by AI, so
we're going to have to subsidize those people. People are
going to have to have something to live on, and
I think we're going to be sort of this combination
of an organic beginning and a bit of a Star
Trek kind of environment concept a way of living. I
don't see anybody perishing. I just see having to be
flexible to change and grow with what's coming in terms
of AI.
Speaker 1: You know, it's really fast. As you're talking about this,
I was I just projected myself out as a soul
looking down on the Earth. Yeah, and we're hanging out
at the coffee shops in Heaven or whatever you'd like
to call it. We're having coffee, obviously the best coffee ever,
and we're looking like, Hey, what's going on down on Earth?
Last time I was there, I was woof, it's pretty
rough down there. How's it going? And it's five hundred
years in the future, and I'm just looking at it
from my own human eyes right now, going, wow, that'd
be kind of cool. Look at all the cool stuff
that got going on down there. Oh that's interesting. Well
where are they spiritually? Oh this would be kind of fun.
Let me go into that, because we have these kind
of fantasies of like what would it have been like
to be in ancient Egypt, or in ancient Rome, or
in different countries at certain different times of human history,
you know, in America when America was just really becoming America,
you know, or Europe when it was becoming Europe, or
you know, or China when it was becoming China. All
this kind of stuff. It's fascinating, but it's really cool
to think about, like, oh, wow, I wouldn't mind. Let
me just dive in there a little bit and have
some fun. And the first time I've ever actually thought
about that in that way that like, well, that's how
would look at a planet or look at a society
and go, that's kind of cool. I haven't experienced that before.
Let me go down there and figure that out and
feel it is that makes sense?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does, it makes sense.
Speaker 2: But I think.
Speaker 3: As far as the future goes, I think the wild
card is the planet. And let's not forget Earth is
married to the Sun, and the Sun, will you know,
blast us a good one with solar flares to remind
us who's in charge.
Speaker 1: You mean, the world, the universe is us?
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, right. So I think I think that there's
some some really good things in the future.
Speaker 2: But I also.
Speaker 3: I think it's important that people not be naive to
the fact that there are cycles. Here. We are agains
that the Earth has that are going to repeat. They
will repeat, and we're living on her back.
Speaker 2: So suck it up.
Speaker 1: You never hear that term in younger generations.
Speaker 3: I just generation myself.
Speaker 1: No, no, and same here, you know, as as a
gen X or you're like, suck it up, man, Like,
what's wrong, right? I mean we drank hose water and
we survived. You know, we had metal We had metal
slides that gave us third degree burns as we went out,
all right, monkey bars that went up six stories and
there was nothing but cement, the pottom, nothing nothing, no
soft little pieces of wood, no rubbers. Right, boom, you
broke your leg. Well you won't do that again. Let's
move on.
Speaker 3: It's it's we were like a we're like a g.
We were riding our bike cellar neighborhood and staying out until.
Speaker 1: Dark and Max totally but when that dark hit though,
you better be home. Yeah, because there was no cell phones.
There was no location trackers.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 1: You know my kids have my kids, my kids have
their friends give them their tracking Yeah, do you know that.
I didn't know that was a new thing. I was like,
wait a minute, you know where your friend is right now?
Oh yeah, she's oh yeah, she's at the mall right now.
Like my other friend's at home right now. I'm like,
how do you what is because you have to get permission,
you give them the tram Like yeah, you can let
me know. You know where I am all the time.
And like you and I were like both horrified at
that right now, Like I don't.
Speaker 3: Know, no, no, no, I was in the woods. That's
where I want to be. I was hanging out in
the trees, right I mean, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: The connectivity that we're talking about is so about the Earth,
you know, and why we came here. And when I
see people disconnecting from the planet, it's like, no, that's
why you're here. Go hiking, you know, go walk by
the lake, go to a river, go experience this planet.
Speaker 1: So, Sonya, if there's somebody watching now who's really kind
of feels lost and uncertain about where things are going,
is there any advice, any words of wisdom that you
can give them to kind of deal with what's happening.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: First of all, we are at a very important time
where a lot of things are coming together and we
can be a part of that coming together by simply
raising our vibration by sitting down and meditating. That's all
that's required is sit down and meditate. And if you
don't have it in you to sit down and meditate,
watch your favorite movie, watch something funny, laugh out loud,
bring your energy up, because when you're in a higher frequency,
all these things that are coming together will be more
tolerable and will be less scary. And the last piece
is we must light a fire under our hope. We
must because as a collective, it is our hope that
will keep the human species continuing and certainly will help
our children to usher in a new phase of humanity.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,
and now back to the show, and we definitely need that, Sonya.
Where can people find out more about you, your books,
your projects, and getting a hold of you.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: My website Sonia s o n Ja Grace g r
acee dot com. I'm on Instagram, the real Sonya Grace, Facebook,
you can find me all over the place. But I've
got tons of books, and as I was telling you
in the green room, I've got some a feature film
that's under consideration right now, and I've got a whole
fiction series that's going to be coming out. And yeah,
I'm very excited.
Speaker 1: That's awesome. Yeah, and so do you have any final
words or messages for the audience.
Speaker 3: Mind your chakras.
Speaker 2: No, No, just stay grounded, you know.
Speaker 3: I mean, I know it's hard to be grounded nowadays,
and luckily we have things like grounding sheets and PMF
matts and all these cool things that you can buy.
But go outside barefoot and stand in the grass, stand
on the dirt, and get yourself grounded, because it's going
to help you to manage your life a lot better.
It's going to lower your stress, it's going to lower
your blood pressure, and it's going to help you to
really connect your physical body with the very energy that
we were meant to connect with that's why we're here
is because of her. So please go out and ground
and keep your hope alive, because hope is everything for
the generations that are coming.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it has been such a pleasure talking to you,
and thank you so much for being here, and thank
you for all the work you're doing to help awaken
this planet. So I appreciate, thank you.
Speaker 2: Thanks.
Speaker 1: I like to thank Sonya so much for coming on
the show and sharing her knowledge and wisdom with all
of us. If you want to get links to anything
we spoke about in this episode, head over to the
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