1 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:05,679 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Next Level Soul podcast, where we ask 2 00:00:05,719 --> 00:00:09,240 the big questions about life. Why are we here? Is 3 00:00:09,279 --> 00:00:13,439 this all? There? Is? What is my soul's mission? We 4 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:16,039 attempt to answer those questions and more by bringing you 5 00:00:16,199 --> 00:00:19,879 raw and inspiring conversations with some of the most fascinating 6 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:23,399 and thought provoking guests on the planet. Today, I am 7 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:29,519 your host, Alex Ferrari. 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The views and opinions expressed in this 23 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:30,359 podcast are those of the guest and do not necessarily 24 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:34,519 reflect the views or positions of this show, its host, 25 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,439 or any of the companies they represent. Now today on 26 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:42,760 the show, we welcome indigenous psychic Sonya Grace. Sonya is 27 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:47,560 a psychic healer. She is a spirit traveler, and we 28 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:52,079 go down many rabbit holes. This is a pretty epic conversation. Guys. 29 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:54,480 It truly rocked my world and we discuss things that 30 00:01:54,519 --> 00:01:57,480 I've really never discussed on the show before. So get 31 00:01:57,519 --> 00:02:01,879 ready to have your minds blown. Let's dive in. I 32 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,159 like to welcome share the show, Sonya Grace. 33 00:02:04,159 --> 00:02:06,439 Speaker 2: Hey doing Sonya, Hi, thanks for having me here. 34 00:02:06,599 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Thank you so much for flying 35 00:02:08,719 --> 00:02:11,240 out to Next Levesol Studios. I really appreciate it. 36 00:02:11,439 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 2: Thank you. 37 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:14,199 Speaker 3: It's exciting to be in Austin. 38 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: Yes, it is a fun city. 39 00:02:16,159 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 3: Yes, hot, very hot, very hot. 40 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 1: And we're actually on the cooler down. We're in the 41 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:24,360 cooling down phase right now. So a few weeks ago 42 00:02:24,719 --> 00:02:27,000 the devil literally walks across the street all the time here, Becau. 43 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:28,560 That's high to us, and he's like, I got to 44 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:29,879 get out of here, so way too odd. 45 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:34,039 Speaker 3: That's our joke about Phoenix. We don't live in Phoenix, 46 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:36,000 but we always say Phoenix. 47 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:37,599 Speaker 2: Is Phoenix is worse one mile from Hell. 48 00:02:38,199 --> 00:02:39,039 Speaker 1: Oh one mile? 49 00:02:39,479 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. 50 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 1: No, Actually I've been to Phoenix's I think worse than, 51 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:44,599 much worse than. 52 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 2: But it's dry heat. 53 00:02:46,439 --> 00:02:50,319 Speaker 1: Yours is dry heat. Ours is this mixture of humidity 54 00:02:50,319 --> 00:02:54,840 and not humidity. I'm from Florida. That's that's humidity. 55 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:55,599 Speaker 2: That's humidity. 56 00:02:55,680 --> 00:03:00,159 Speaker 1: That's one hundred and ten percent. Yes, so, but I'm 57 00:03:00,159 --> 00:03:01,599 so glad to have you on the show. It is. 58 00:03:02,439 --> 00:03:05,759 Your background is pretty fascinating to me. So can you 59 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:10,199 tell everybody where you like what your heritage and how 60 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:12,599 you got into the spiritual space from. I guess, I 61 00:03:12,599 --> 00:03:15,080 guess influenced by your heritage. 62 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:21,199 Speaker 3: Well, actually, I am half Norwegian and I have Choctaw 63 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:25,479 and Cherokee blood on my mom's side, and I was 64 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:33,280 born with my abilities. I can see, here, feel, smell, 65 00:03:33,439 --> 00:03:37,719 and oddly taste everything in the unseen world in the 66 00:03:37,759 --> 00:03:41,759 spirit realm. Interesting, So I've been hardwired since I came 67 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:48,319 into this life, and I you know, I've dealt with 68 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:52,319 it for a long time now. I've been practicing as 69 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:56,240 a yealer for forty four years, and I feel that 70 00:03:57,639 --> 00:04:04,680 getting into this a processes. So for example, as a child, 71 00:04:05,639 --> 00:04:08,319 you know, I'd see all these spirits walking through the 72 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:13,639 house and I had one, Yeah, and I didn't have 73 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,839 anybody to talk to. I didn't have anyone really who 74 00:04:16,959 --> 00:04:20,800 understood my poor mom, would you know. She was an artist, 75 00:04:20,879 --> 00:04:23,319 and so she'd put paper and pen in front of 76 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,160 me and tell me to draw in too, you know, 77 00:04:26,439 --> 00:04:31,120 you get that imagination on paper, you know. But I 78 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:35,360 was also pretty hyperactive. So she put me in ballet school, okay, 79 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:40,000 and that, yeah, and I learned a whole different set 80 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:44,160 of skills because ballet takes a lot of training and 81 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:50,000 a lot of discipline, and I had the wherewithal to 82 00:04:50,319 --> 00:04:54,920 learn how to defy time and space. So if you 83 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,279 know what Shane turns are, they're real fast turns. You 84 00:04:57,319 --> 00:05:00,439 go across the floor. How many Shane turns can you do? 85 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,199 An account of eight? Well, you can do a lot, 86 00:05:03,319 --> 00:05:06,839 or you can do eight. So you learn a sense 87 00:05:06,959 --> 00:05:13,079 of time and space. With your body that then, you know, 88 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:15,839 filters into other aspects of your life. 89 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 2: So I performed. 90 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:20,759 Speaker 3: I was a professional ballerina for fifteen years, and I 91 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:24,240 was with the Oregon Shakespeare Festival for ten of those. 92 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:29,319 I was Roslyn and Kyle McLoughlin was Romeo and Romeo 93 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:32,680 and Juliet. I worked with Dennis Aren't, I worked with 94 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:37,279 James Avery. I choreographed James Avery in a play That's beautiful. 95 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:39,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, So it was really fun. 96 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:41,959 Speaker 3: You know a lot of people now who have moved on. 97 00:05:43,639 --> 00:05:47,560 I had the good fortune to be around, and I 98 00:05:47,639 --> 00:05:52,079 really enjoyed the performance aspects because of course being at 99 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:56,319 the Shakespeare Festival, you're sort of you're sort of going 100 00:05:56,399 --> 00:06:02,920 through all your lifetimes, you know, experiencing different costumes in 101 00:06:02,959 --> 00:06:06,519 different time periods. It's like, okay, yeah, I really was 102 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:07,759 in the fifteen hundreds. 103 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:08,319 Speaker 2: I get it. 104 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 3: And so a lot of things transpired, and I eventually 105 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:18,480 moved into working with my first teacher, who was in 106 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:22,839 San Francisco, And after I worked with her, I went 107 00:06:22,879 --> 00:06:25,360 to my second teacher, and then I went to my 108 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:30,279 third teacher. So over the course of ten years, and 109 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:36,199 I was already practicing, I had three different brilliant teachers, 110 00:06:36,639 --> 00:06:40,920 and they all helped me to corral what was happening 111 00:06:40,959 --> 00:06:43,959 to me because I didn't know. I mean, I was 112 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:48,519 walking down the street seeing yellow and orange on people, 113 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:51,279 and I look at my friends and go, did you 114 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:55,240 see that those people have yellow and orange all over them? 115 00:06:55,279 --> 00:07:01,360 And they're like, what are you On're like wood? So 116 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:07,199 I had to, you know, bring it in and create 117 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:10,480 a foundation of which I can work from. 118 00:07:10,959 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: So when you were when you were younger, and you 119 00:07:13,879 --> 00:07:19,000 started seeing these dead people walking around? So what explain 120 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,879 to me your abilities? Because I mean I've spoken to 121 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,079 so many psychic mediums and people who see dead people. 122 00:07:24,079 --> 00:07:26,319 People don't see dead people and you but you only 123 00:07:26,399 --> 00:07:28,800 just don't see spirit, you see the spirit realm As 124 00:07:28,839 --> 00:07:32,240 a general statement, is that on and off? Like right now, 125 00:07:32,279 --> 00:07:35,079 are you seeing spirits not only spirits around me but 126 00:07:35,519 --> 00:07:37,800 or in this room? But do you see the realm 127 00:07:37,879 --> 00:07:39,720 as well? Can you turn that on and off? How 128 00:07:39,759 --> 00:07:42,040 does that work? Because it seems a little overwhelming for 129 00:07:42,079 --> 00:07:44,160 the mind to see two worlds at the same time 130 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:45,120 for your entire life. 131 00:07:45,199 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's on most of the time. I think 132 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:54,959 if I'm watching a movie, I'm disconnected I'm just connected 133 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:59,279 a little bit because I'm watching the movie. But it 134 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:01,839 was hard to now navigate. When I was young, it 135 00:08:01,879 --> 00:08:06,000 was really hard to navigate and to understand what was 136 00:08:06,079 --> 00:08:11,800 happening to me. I feel now, you know, and I 137 00:08:11,839 --> 00:08:16,399 have to really say this. I attribute the sanity of 138 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:21,240 my life to being sober for forty four years and 139 00:08:21,319 --> 00:08:27,079 that I look at everything now through that lens. And 140 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:30,879 what that means is my filters are clear when I 141 00:08:30,959 --> 00:08:34,159 do healing work on people, and I only work long distance, 142 00:08:34,879 --> 00:08:37,600 but when I do healing work on people, I am 143 00:08:38,279 --> 00:08:43,159 as clear as I could possibly be because I'm not 144 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:46,039 smoking pot the night before, I'm not having a glass 145 00:08:46,039 --> 00:08:51,960 of wine with dinner. I'm not polluting the system. But 146 00:08:52,039 --> 00:08:55,399 I rarely meet people. Now I've met you, but I 147 00:08:55,519 --> 00:08:59,240 rarely meet people who are this far down the road. 148 00:08:59,279 --> 00:09:03,240 I know Greg Brayness, and I really appreciate him for 149 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:08,399 his sobriety. It really makes me happy. And I also 150 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:13,039 feel that there are people in my life who have 151 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,600 long term sobriety, but they're not in the industry that 152 00:09:16,639 --> 00:09:21,840 I'm in. And I think that people have an idea 153 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:28,279 of spiritualism and what's going on in the spiritual community. 154 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:32,879 But the lens that I view through makes a lot 155 00:09:32,919 --> 00:09:35,919 of sense to me, and that is we're a highly 156 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:43,559 addicted society. Highly addicted alcohol, drugs, gaming, texting, social media, 157 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:48,000 social media, you name it. We're addicted food. Oh my god, 158 00:09:48,039 --> 00:09:53,120 there's a big one. And yet we've got all these 159 00:09:53,159 --> 00:09:58,679 people who have entered the spiritual community without addressing that 160 00:09:58,919 --> 00:10:04,840 basic dysfunction that many of us inherited in our family structure. 161 00:10:06,399 --> 00:10:08,919 Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor, 162 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:17,200 and now back to the show. Let's dive into this 163 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:20,279 for a second. This is interesting to me so many people, 164 00:10:20,399 --> 00:10:22,279 you know, I think there's more and more people coming 165 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:27,000 into the spiritual space every day. People are leaving religion 166 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:31,960 organized religion in droves. The world's a little upside down now, slightly, 167 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:35,960 and people are looking for answers and they're entering the 168 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:39,039 spiritual world. And they'll watch shows, and they'll read books, 169 00:10:39,039 --> 00:10:41,159 and they'll take the seminars and they'll go to events 170 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:43,519 and things like that. But what you just said is 171 00:10:43,639 --> 00:10:45,919 very important for people to understand is that they have 172 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:50,679 not done any real work. They haven't they haven't done 173 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:55,279 shadow work, they haven't cleaned up their diet, they haven't, 174 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:59,200 you know, dealt with trauma. They haven't done any of 175 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:02,519 that stuff, and yet they go to these shows or 176 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:06,039 they read these books or they take these courses or whatever, 177 00:11:06,279 --> 00:11:07,919 and they're like, it's not working for me. I'm like, well, 178 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:12,879 of course not, because you're not addressing the underlining problems, 179 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:16,480 which is a lot harder than going to hear that's right. 180 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:19,440 A psychic medium talk about Grandma who just came in 181 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:21,559 the room and talked to you, which is great, which 182 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,200 is healing in one way, shape or form, but it's different. 183 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 2: In my practice. 184 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:30,919 Speaker 3: I'm a healer and I go in and energetically do 185 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:34,879 surgery on people. I work on people like a surgeon, 186 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:39,320 but I'm working in the energy body. So if there's 187 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:44,000 a cancer there, I am taking that cancer out. That 188 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:44,759 was it dropping in? 189 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:47,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, I see that was very nice. So nice, you're 190 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:48,240 very talented. 191 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:52,919 Speaker 3: So I take it out and I energetically do the work. 192 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:55,519 But it has to pass through the physical, mental, emotional, 193 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:59,039 and spiritual bodies, and it has to hurdle the ego. 194 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:04,080 So what that person is dealing with, if they're open 195 00:12:05,039 --> 00:12:10,559 and they're surrendered, like okay, this is happening and I 196 00:12:10,759 --> 00:12:11,480 welcome it. 197 00:12:11,519 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 2: To happen. 198 00:12:12,519 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 3: Of course it's going to go a lot faster. Of 199 00:12:14,519 --> 00:12:18,720 course it's gonna that work I just did is going 200 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:22,039 to have a stronger effect. 201 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:24,879 Speaker 2: But if they're in resistance. 202 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:26,399 Speaker 3: And like, oh, I don't trust you and I don't 203 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:29,279 know about this and I don't believe and blah blah blah, 204 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:35,720 it's like I I tell the person, it is your 205 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:40,279 own intuition that you are not trusting. It's not mine. 206 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:45,120 You don't trust yourself. If you trusted yourself, then you 207 00:12:45,279 --> 00:12:51,200 would know that what's happening here is something that can happen. 208 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:53,159 I experience miracles every day. 209 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:54,639 Speaker 2: Every day. 210 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:59,639 Speaker 3: There's phenomenal things that happen. And after I approach the 211 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:05,240 heel aspect, I always go into a deep dive with 212 00:13:05,759 --> 00:13:11,159 the emotional body and I do tons of processing work 213 00:13:11,159 --> 00:13:14,399 with people. I work with the inner child, I work 214 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:17,639 with the inner male and female. My first teacher was 215 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:21,240 a Youngian therapist. I mean, I get it, and I 216 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:28,360 definitely go deeper than that in that I feel discovering 217 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:33,240 patterns of what we're repeating over and over and over again. 218 00:13:33,879 --> 00:13:36,360 You know, I get a client who calls me and says, well, 219 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:40,679 my you know, my boyfriend just left me. And you know, 220 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:43,559 I got divorced five years ago, and you know, my 221 00:13:43,639 --> 00:13:46,879 first boyfriend left me, and why is everybody leaving me? 222 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:51,840 And it's like, yeah, that's the pattern, isn't it? Abandonment? 223 00:13:51,919 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 2: One oh one? 224 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 1: You're the common denominator in all of these situations, right right. 225 00:13:56,399 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 3: So then I go in and help them discover where 226 00:14:00,919 --> 00:14:05,080 in their life, from the womb until three years old, 227 00:14:05,639 --> 00:14:10,919 that they experienced abandonment, and then I help them to 228 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:14,600 extract that out of the body so that we're making 229 00:14:14,759 --> 00:14:18,879 room now for healing, so that the cancer or the 230 00:14:18,919 --> 00:14:22,559 illness or whatever is brewing in there doesn't have to 231 00:14:22,639 --> 00:14:27,159 keep percolating because of the emotional wound that they're holding, 232 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,720 So they have to go hand in hand. I really 233 00:14:30,759 --> 00:14:34,639 believe the physical body is like a big closet, and 234 00:14:34,679 --> 00:14:40,120 all we're doing is storing all this unresolved emotional wounds, trauma, 235 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:44,279 et cetera in the closet. And about you know, forty 236 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:47,679 five fifty years old, guess what it wants out? 237 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 1: Like in those movies, you get clack it open, everything 238 00:14:52,159 --> 00:14:55,799 just comes flying out light right. I'd bold to get 239 00:14:55,799 --> 00:15:00,120 the seams kind of thing. But going back to when 240 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:03,000 you were when you were growing up and you're seeing, 241 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:06,720 you know, seeing all these entities and stuff like that. 242 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:10,799 So I'm not going to put you on the spot 243 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:12,960 like is there who's is Grandma with me? I'm not 244 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:16,039 going to do that. But you how do you deal 245 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:18,519 with it psychologically? I mean at this point you probably 246 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:22,759 used to it, but at the beginning, just psychologically dealing 247 00:15:22,799 --> 00:15:25,639 with Hey, I see and do they speak to you? 248 00:15:26,039 --> 00:15:27,960 And do they connect communicate with you? 249 00:15:28,799 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 3: They do speak and they do connect. And I've I've 250 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:38,559 had I've had clients who have died come and you know, 251 00:15:38,679 --> 00:15:42,960 like practically terrorize me because they're so excited to talk 252 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:46,679 to me. On the other side that which is hilarious. 253 00:15:46,759 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 1: That must be kind of freaky for you when that 254 00:15:48,519 --> 00:15:50,039 says you, like you're talking to me now? 255 00:15:50,039 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 3: And then you know, I have to tell you once 256 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:54,240 that was so good. 257 00:15:54,799 --> 00:15:56,639 Speaker 2: My client Howard, who. 258 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:59,679 Speaker 3: Was a pool and spa g I loved Howard to 259 00:16:00,039 --> 00:16:03,360 undred and fifty pounds. Heart problems up the Yin Yang 260 00:16:04,279 --> 00:16:10,240 really really into all things spiritual cosmic, and he put 261 00:16:10,279 --> 00:16:17,600 pools in and Howard had a massive heart attack and 262 00:16:18,919 --> 00:16:24,320 died and I didn't find out about it until you know, 263 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:29,000 I saw Howard standing in my bathroom. I'm like, Howard, 264 00:16:29,679 --> 00:16:30,679 did you cross over? 265 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: Yeah? 266 00:16:31,799 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 2: I did, and I'm really pissed off about it. 267 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 3: Okay, I'm sorry. And then later Howard came back to 268 00:16:40,799 --> 00:16:45,759 me and he said, I have to tell you something 269 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:49,639 really important And I said what and he said, you 270 00:16:49,679 --> 00:16:54,399 don't realize this, but you actually kept me alive for 271 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:58,399 a good three years before I passed because I was 272 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:00,840 working on him. I was working on his art, I 273 00:17:00,919 --> 00:17:04,119 was working on all his systems, doing healing work, doing 274 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:07,359 processing work. And the fact that he would come and 275 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:10,559 tell me that, you know, thank you, you kept me 276 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:15,000 here longer then I was really supposed to be. And 277 00:17:15,079 --> 00:17:16,720 I've heard that from other people too. 278 00:17:16,839 --> 00:17:18,279 Speaker 2: You know, you don't always. 279 00:17:18,079 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 3: Know, as the healer, whatever effect you've had on someone, right, 280 00:17:25,039 --> 00:17:29,880 but Howard definitely wanted me to know that I helped 281 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:32,400 him to be here longer. Yeah. 282 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:36,279 Speaker 1: So from you know, being from the eclectic heritage that 283 00:17:36,319 --> 00:17:38,200 you are from, half Norwegian. 284 00:17:37,759 --> 00:17:40,559 Speaker 2: And half Tacta on Cherokee and. 285 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:44,640 Speaker 1: Cher Okay from the from both sides, but I think 286 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:46,720 more probably from the Native Americans side, how did that 287 00:17:46,799 --> 00:17:51,880 influence your well, your spiritual journey you have you duged 288 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:53,039 deep into that stuffe. 289 00:17:52,759 --> 00:17:53,880 Speaker 2: Oh, totally, totally. 290 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 3: And I mean what's interesting is, you know, as a kid, 291 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:01,680 we always played in the neighborhood. I mean we were outside. 292 00:18:01,759 --> 00:18:07,160 Oh yeah, so when we played Cowboy and Indians, I 293 00:18:07,279 --> 00:18:11,039 was always the Indian, right because I know, but I 294 00:18:11,079 --> 00:18:13,720 was like, no, I'm the Indian. I mean I knew, 295 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:18,319 I knew my heritage, but it wasn't something that was 296 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:22,720 really laid out. We were so influenced by my dad's side, 297 00:18:22,759 --> 00:18:24,480 the Norwegian side, that. 298 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 1: When you're here in America or in America, yeah, so 299 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:29,599 you have the American and you're also influenced by the American. 300 00:18:29,279 --> 00:18:33,599 Speaker 3: Culture of course. But I became a part of Hope 301 00:18:33,599 --> 00:18:40,160 culture gosh forty forty years ago, and that became my 302 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:44,039 second family, my second home. And then I married a 303 00:18:44,079 --> 00:18:48,000 Hopey Man and now I'm married into the tribe. I mean, 304 00:18:48,759 --> 00:18:51,880 I'm very connected out there, and I feel more Hopy 305 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:55,480 than anything because I've spent so much time there and 306 00:18:56,240 --> 00:19:01,559 I love the community and the ceremonies and all that 307 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:02,920 is practiced. 308 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:06,119 Speaker 1: Let me let me if you don't mind me asking, 309 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:09,000 I want to kind of dig into the spiritual practices 310 00:19:09,039 --> 00:19:11,720 of let's say the Hope, because that's the tribe that 311 00:19:11,759 --> 00:19:16,400 you spent more time with. How does the Hope look 312 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:21,519 upon psychic medium work or healing work in this kind 313 00:19:21,519 --> 00:19:25,000 of way. What are the traditions, what are the what 314 00:19:25,039 --> 00:19:28,240 are the histories of it. I'm just fascinated with that 315 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:28,920 side of it. 316 00:19:29,039 --> 00:19:33,559 Speaker 3: They consider me a medicine woman out there, so you know, 317 00:19:33,799 --> 00:19:37,119 I mean, I all of my free work that I do, 318 00:19:37,559 --> 00:19:42,240 which is a lot, is for native people, people in 319 00:19:42,279 --> 00:19:43,119 the Hopie tribe. 320 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:46,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I I have. 321 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 3: A lot of people who want to see me in person. 322 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:52,880 Even though I work long distance. It's more common practice 323 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:55,400 to go to the medicine man in person, of course, 324 00:19:55,799 --> 00:19:57,240 so they want to see me in person. 325 00:19:57,359 --> 00:19:59,039 Speaker 2: There was one time we were. 326 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 3: At a dance at one of the villages and this woman. 327 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:05,680 Speaker 2: It was just such a funny scene. 328 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 3: I mean I still kind of think about it and go, wow, 329 00:20:09,039 --> 00:20:09,960 that really happened. 330 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:13,319 Speaker 2: That was wild. This woman came. 331 00:20:13,279 --> 00:20:19,279 Speaker 3: Dragging her leg, dragging it across the plaza, drag drag, drag, 332 00:20:20,079 --> 00:20:22,440 and she gets to the door and she says, can 333 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,680 I see you? And I'm like, and there's all these 334 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:28,480 people in the house because it's always busy and people 335 00:20:28,519 --> 00:20:32,839 cooking and kids running around. She drags herself and her 336 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:34,400 leg in and sits in the chair. 337 00:20:36,559 --> 00:20:39,079 Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor, 338 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:43,960 and now back to the show. 339 00:20:46,319 --> 00:20:50,079 Speaker 3: I said, what happened? And she said, well, you know, 340 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:53,799 there's no running water out there, so it's all outhouses 341 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:57,279 and people have to haulwater. She said, I came out 342 00:20:57,279 --> 00:20:59,160 of the outhouse and fell down the cliff. 343 00:20:59,759 --> 00:21:01,799 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it was. 344 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:02,680 Speaker 1: It was like that. 345 00:21:03,519 --> 00:21:06,160 Speaker 3: And I said, so, if you had an X ray, 346 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,960 I go right too, you know, go to the doctor. 347 00:21:11,759 --> 00:21:15,279 She said no, she said anyway, So I worked on 348 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:21,160 her and and I did some repair work in her hip, 349 00:21:22,079 --> 00:21:23,920 and I took a couple of things. 350 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:28,200 Speaker 2: Out that were more Yeah. 351 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:31,400 Speaker 3: I was working well, I was using my hand, but 352 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:34,519 but I took some things out of her that were 353 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:40,519 sent to her from another person to harm her. Okay, yeah, 354 00:21:40,559 --> 00:21:44,279 we're going to get into that. But anyways, I kid 355 00:21:44,319 --> 00:21:47,880 you not. This woman got up and normal as normal 356 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,680 can be, walked out of the house when we were done, 357 00:21:51,039 --> 00:21:54,880 and walked across the plaza back to her house. And 358 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:58,319 I'm like, okay, that just happened. 359 00:21:59,359 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 1: Interesting. 360 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, but see, here's the thing people don't necessarily know 361 00:22:04,519 --> 00:22:12,279 this in the broader sense of white culture. You know, 362 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:17,119 it's not. But in indigenous cultures there's things that are 363 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:23,519 practiced Mexico all over the world. But at Hope we 364 00:22:23,599 --> 00:22:27,119 call it witching. It's like you get witched by someone. 365 00:22:27,839 --> 00:22:32,279 They're using black magic. Sure, and it's very prevalent. It's 366 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,799 very prevalent in a lot of places on the planet. 367 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 1: I'm Cuban, so I'm very familiar with it. 368 00:22:39,519 --> 00:22:39,920 Speaker 2: You get it. 369 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:43,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, And so that's the kind of stuff I'm dealing with. 370 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,640 I'm like a priest disguised as a woman in the 371 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,880 twenty first century. I kid you not, I'm doing exorcisms 372 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:49,519 all day long. 373 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. So okay, So when you're talking about kind of 374 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:56,599 like black magic, I'll give you my example of my 375 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:02,000 experience in it. Being Cuban. Heard of Santaeto's. You've heard 376 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:05,680 of the term Santeto Santaia, which is the Cuban black 377 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,920 magic and white magic. I've had actual priests in my 378 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,160 family who, like my cousin, was a white. He wore 379 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,359 white for a year, everything was white for preparing himself 380 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:19,160 to become a white Santeto, which is to help protect 381 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,440 people from the dark magic. It's as I'm speaking about 382 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:24,839 it out loud. It sounds insane, it sounds in say, 383 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,720 but this is a cultural thing. It comes from the Islands, 384 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:31,319 from US and Afro Cuban. You know the concept of 385 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,319 voodoo and stuff. It's just a different version of that. 386 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:39,119 So I'm familiar with the black magic, but I've never 387 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,039 really dabbling. I haven't really gone deep into that kind 388 00:23:42,039 --> 00:23:45,200 of stuff in here, and I've always been my feeling 389 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,000 on and what I've been told is if you have 390 00:23:47,079 --> 00:23:49,319 a if you have protection around you, or if you 391 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,359 have spirits around you who are protecting you, that helps. 392 00:23:52,799 --> 00:23:56,680 But there are people who try to send you bad juju? 393 00:23:57,559 --> 00:24:00,720 Can you explain what that process is, how it works? 394 00:24:01,519 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 3: Okay, So I'm I'm usually the one on the receiving 395 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:11,119 end of this. Sure, I don't practice such shit, and 396 00:24:11,759 --> 00:24:15,880 I only work with angels. My guides are hi angelic beans. 397 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:20,480 I don't work with anything else. I am like, yeah, 398 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:25,680 that I that is not a realm that I will 399 00:24:26,079 --> 00:24:30,559 ever go into the dark side to me, Yeah, yeah, 400 00:24:30,559 --> 00:24:33,640 But I do spend a lot of my day clearing 401 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:38,200 this stuff from people, and there's you know, there's a 402 00:24:38,279 --> 00:24:47,640 lot to be said about cultural influence and people coming 403 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:53,680 together and trying to bring down someone, put the mojo 404 00:24:53,839 --> 00:24:58,680 on someone, you know, do harm to them. Vibration, it's 405 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:02,920 a very low vibration, but there's a lot of it 406 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,559 going on. I hate to tell you that there's a 407 00:25:05,599 --> 00:25:10,519 lot of it going on, and people don't realize how 408 00:25:11,799 --> 00:25:14,279 even how powerful their thoughts are. 409 00:25:15,559 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: That's true. 410 00:25:16,079 --> 00:25:19,920 Speaker 3: You can be driving behind somebody who's going really slow 411 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,599 and you're yelling get out of the way, you know, 412 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,440 and out of those words or these you know, little 413 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,279 zingers that are hitting the back of that person's head 414 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:32,279 and they're like, God, what is wrong with. 415 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:33,119 Speaker 2: The person behind me? 416 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,599 Speaker 3: And they didn't even turn around to look they feel it. 417 00:25:36,519 --> 00:25:38,160 Speaker 2: You know, we are. 418 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:43,319 Speaker 3: Powerful, but we're reckless with our energy. We're not managing 419 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:48,799 our energy in a way that takes responsibility. And you know, 420 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,400 in my practice what I teach, I have a grounding meditation. 421 00:25:53,319 --> 00:25:57,000 It involves grounding all the chakras because I'm a firm 422 00:25:57,079 --> 00:26:02,119 believer that we should be received energy from the Earth 423 00:26:02,319 --> 00:26:06,000 up into each chakra and we should be grounding our 424 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:07,759 energy down into the earth. 425 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:09,079 Speaker 2: So in this. 426 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 3: Meditation that I teach, it grounds you and it helps 427 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:19,039 you to take responsibility for what you're doing with your energy. 428 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:23,400 Great example, everybody you've been in New York. You're walking 429 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,240 down the street in New York and there's this person 430 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,920 coming towards you, and you're like, Wow, they're really hot, 431 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:31,440 but they're not. 432 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:33,119 Speaker 2: They're not. 433 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,279 Speaker 3: They're okay, they're attractive, but they're not like super hot hot. 434 00:26:38,039 --> 00:26:42,000 But they're running second chakra energy with everybody walking down 435 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:46,839 the street. So everybody's getting blasted with this second chakra 436 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:52,880 and you're all looking at this person going wow, you know, mesmerized. Well, 437 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,160 they're not grounding their energy. 438 00:26:55,519 --> 00:26:57,359 Speaker 1: So let me ask you a question then. So I've 439 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,480 been around being working in Hollywood for as long as 440 00:27:00,519 --> 00:27:03,039 I did, I was around a lot of celebrities, and 441 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:04,759 I was a lot of around some of the most 442 00:27:04,799 --> 00:27:09,000 beautiful human beings I've on the planet, really, and I 443 00:27:09,079 --> 00:27:11,319 realized that when I was it was in a room 444 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,799 with one of them or working with them, I can 445 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,799 I mean, there's an energy about them, there's something that 446 00:27:17,839 --> 00:27:20,599 they they almost suck the wind out of the room. 447 00:27:20,759 --> 00:27:22,799 Some of them, like they walk in and everyone just 448 00:27:23,319 --> 00:27:27,480 hoof on them. Is that's what do you? I mean? Obviously, 449 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,119 if they're good looking, they're going to be good looking 450 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,759 on a physical level. But this is deeper. This is 451 00:27:31,799 --> 00:27:35,640 a whole lot deeper. I've met some very interesting human 452 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,640 beings in the film industry, to say the least. But 453 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:40,640 some of these actors that I met, some of the 454 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,359 biggest movie stars in the world. I walk in, I go, oh, 455 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,720 I understand why that person's a movie star. I get it, 456 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,960 like it just the enter everything, it's just to them. What, 457 00:27:51,079 --> 00:27:53,440 in your opinion, what's causing that other than there maybe 458 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,480 just their natural beauty. Yeah, because I've seen I've seen 459 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:57,720 beautiful people who don't have that. 460 00:27:58,119 --> 00:27:59,880 Speaker 3: Well, that's what I was talking about. The person walking 461 00:28:00,039 --> 00:28:02,960 on the street. Not beautiful, but everybody's drawn to that 462 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,680 person like a magnet, and I'm looking at them energetically, 463 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:11,160 going Okay, first chakras grounded, Second chakras blasting everybody. Third 464 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:15,000 chakras blasting everybody for chakras all over the place. You know, 465 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,920 I'm just going up the line, checking what's happening. And 466 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,319 I think that's what's happening with a lot of people 467 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:26,400 in the industry is they're not grounding their energy because 468 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:30,799 they're afraid if it's grounded, no one will see them. 469 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,799 It's kind of like that that invisible little hand coming out, 470 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,799 you know, tapping you on the shoulder. They're afraid that 471 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,599 you won't see them, so they've got to blast everybody 472 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:43,400 out to peacock. 473 00:28:44,039 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: They have to kind of constantly be. 474 00:28:45,559 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 3: They have to blast that energy out, and it's not 475 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,599 helping them. The more we ground our energy into the earth, 476 00:28:53,119 --> 00:28:57,359 the more that earth energy will come up and support you. 477 00:28:58,039 --> 00:29:02,519 It will support you, it will port your whole body function. 478 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,119 Speaker 1: Afterwards, I'm going to ask you about my chakras. 479 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:08,119 Speaker 3: Want to do it right now? 480 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 1: Do you want to do it? You want to? I'd 481 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:11,720 love you to just look at my chakras and tell 482 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:13,519 me what I'm blasting. When I'm not blasting, what I 483 00:29:13,519 --> 00:29:15,839 need to ground because I have not had that done. 484 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:21,279 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, all right, I'll tell you just for fun. Okay. 485 00:29:21,799 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 3: Your first chakra where you're sitting is very red. 486 00:29:25,799 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 2: It's open. 487 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,559 Speaker 3: It's moving pretty fast, which is good to see. You 488 00:29:30,599 --> 00:29:35,279 want your chakras spinning fast. Second chakras, Okay, it's a 489 00:29:35,279 --> 00:29:38,400 little bit smaller. I think since we talked about blasting 490 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:42,359 with second chakra energy, yours kind of went okay, yeah, 491 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,640 keep quiet, but it's moving. 492 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 2: It's got a lot of orange. 493 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 3: It has some green in it, which tells me, you 494 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:55,839 know that your heart energy is definitely on that empathic level. 495 00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 1: You need to say hydrated while you do chakra. 496 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:00,720 Speaker 2: Work, No kidding. 497 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:08,799 Speaker 3: Your third chakra is really open, very very large. It's 498 00:30:08,799 --> 00:30:11,279 it's it's got yellow in it, but it's also got 499 00:30:11,279 --> 00:30:13,480 a lot of gold and tan color. 500 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor 501 00:30:22,039 --> 00:30:23,319 and now back to the show. 502 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 3: Oftentimes, when there's a mixture of color like that, you're 503 00:30:30,519 --> 00:30:35,119 integrating something. You're you're assessing and sort of formulating what 504 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,400 does that mean for me and my power and my 505 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:45,119 physical well being? Right, heart chakra is good. What's interesting 506 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:49,359 about your heart chakra is it has a lot of uh, 507 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:56,160 what's that color. It's like a burgundy dark red, not 508 00:30:56,319 --> 00:31:00,839 dark red, it's more of a it's got some pink 509 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,279 to it. And then there's green right at the center. 510 00:31:05,319 --> 00:31:11,839 And well, again you're you're processing something, okay, So yeah, 511 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:16,119 the first chakra level, being all about food, clothing, survival 512 00:31:16,559 --> 00:31:20,759 and everything grounded to the earth, is doing its thing 513 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:25,000 up in your heart. Like you're again, you're assessing and 514 00:31:25,039 --> 00:31:28,640 trying to integrate something that has to do with your 515 00:31:28,759 --> 00:31:29,920 survival on. 516 00:31:29,839 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 2: A heart level. 517 00:31:30,799 --> 00:31:38,839 Speaker 3: Okay, your fifth chakra beautiful throat, beautiful indigo, very open, 518 00:31:40,279 --> 00:31:42,039 super super clear energy. 519 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 1: That makes sense. Sense I do this for a living exactly. 520 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 3: Sixth chakra, which is your third eye, it's it's open, 521 00:31:52,799 --> 00:31:56,160 it's a little bit folded forward and and you know, 522 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,640 I'm just I'm I'm just gonna do it. I'm lifting 523 00:31:58,720 --> 00:31:59,079 it up. 524 00:31:59,359 --> 00:32:02,839 Speaker 2: Okay, now it's back up, it's. 525 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 3: Moving, it's a it's a it's a light pale blue. 526 00:32:07,759 --> 00:32:14,160 It's it's quite crystal, like a crystal almost feeling. Yeah, 527 00:32:14,319 --> 00:32:15,920 it's it's beautiful. 528 00:32:16,319 --> 00:32:17,759 Speaker 2: And oh, thank you. 529 00:32:18,359 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 1: I have fantastic shocking. 530 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 3: And your your seventh chakra is yeah, the crown you know, 531 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,480 they usually open out wide. Yours is kind of open 532 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:31,559 up this way. 533 00:32:32,319 --> 00:32:32,839 Speaker 2: It's open. 534 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 3: The vertical power current goes all the way up to 535 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,960 source and all the way down to the center of 536 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,680 the earth, and yours is it's very clear. All the 537 00:32:42,799 --> 00:32:47,039 chakras hook into it like tubular flowers in so you 538 00:32:47,039 --> 00:32:51,880 have you have chakras on the back side the let 539 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:56,000 me start over the vertical power current. The first chakra 540 00:32:56,319 --> 00:33:01,160 hooks in this way, so it's it's facing down. Seventh 541 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,920 hooks in up this way directly into the court, whereas 542 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:09,839 the other chakras are hooking in front and back. Do 543 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,240 you understand like tubular flowers? Yeah? 544 00:33:12,359 --> 00:33:16,880 Speaker 1: Interesting? Yeah, so overall diagnosis decent. Okay, chakras y Yeah, 545 00:33:17,079 --> 00:33:17,720 I'm right, I. 546 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 2: Look at the backside. But yeah, they look fine. 547 00:33:20,079 --> 00:33:24,799 Speaker 3: Oh interesting, Fine, they look fine. I did not see 548 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:29,279 anything that alarmed me. I didn't see anything that made 549 00:33:29,319 --> 00:33:30,599 me go, hey, we need to talk. 550 00:33:30,799 --> 00:33:33,599 Speaker 1: Okay, good, that's a good thing. Yeah, that's a good thing. 551 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 3: Yeah. 552 00:33:34,599 --> 00:33:37,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's pretty fascinating. I've never had my chakras red before, 553 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,000 so that's very And you see ours as well. 554 00:33:41,279 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, all the time, see everything. 555 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 1: So you see oras all the time. So when you're 556 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:47,880 walking in, when you meet somebody for the first time, 557 00:33:48,119 --> 00:33:51,240 you obviously have a one up because you're able to 558 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,160 see their aura. So if they're going to try to 559 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,720 do you harm or or if they're going to be 560 00:33:55,839 --> 00:33:57,720 negative to you, or they're going to do something, you'll 561 00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:59,039 see it before it comes. You know. 562 00:33:59,119 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 2: I don't even work that way. 563 00:34:00,559 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 1: Tell me how you do. 564 00:34:01,599 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 2: I don't. 565 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:05,279 Speaker 3: I'm so open all the time. I'm so freaking open. 566 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:09,199 I'm like, because I don't have anything to hide. I 567 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,599 don't have anything. In fact, I wanted to talk to 568 00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:13,880 you about this today please. 569 00:34:14,039 --> 00:34:18,920 Speaker 2: I find that someone like me, with. 570 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:25,719 Speaker 3: Forty four years in this industry is often I speak 571 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:29,679 with authority on what I know sure, and I find 572 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:35,599 that people who don't understand the depth of work that 573 00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:41,119 I've done, the depth of processing that I've done, and 574 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:46,559 the years, the four decades of meditation that I've done, 575 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:54,559 that that that is an authentic place as a woman 576 00:34:56,679 --> 00:35:00,480 in a body experiencing my. 577 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,519 Speaker 2: Life. And what I. 578 00:35:06,039 --> 00:35:09,679 Speaker 3: Hear people say is, oh, you know, she's all ego, 579 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,760 And it's like you don't even know, you don't even 580 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:18,679 know what the ego is, let alone what the false 581 00:35:18,679 --> 00:35:19,320 ego is. 582 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,239 Speaker 2: I don't think people have done. 583 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:27,519 Speaker 3: The inner work to recognize what is healthy ego and 584 00:35:27,519 --> 00:35:31,400 what is a false ego. And more importantly, we have 585 00:35:31,559 --> 00:35:36,119 lived in a male dominant society for so long, since 586 00:35:36,159 --> 00:35:43,199 about four thousand BC, that we have lost the thread 587 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:48,039 of what it means to be an authentic woman, to 588 00:35:48,159 --> 00:35:52,800 be authentically in our power as a woman and not 589 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:57,480 be reflecting a man's power. Because the people who have 590 00:35:57,599 --> 00:36:02,320 been in power for much of the last whatever. 591 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:03,760 Speaker 1: Thousands of years, thousands. 592 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:08,320 Speaker 3: Of years have been men, and so women mimic and copy. 593 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:13,039 We wear suits, we talk like men, we swear like men. 594 00:36:13,199 --> 00:36:17,360 We you know, we've got this whole male gig down is. 595 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,920 I talk with authority because I know what I'm talking about. 596 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,920 I've lived it. I'm in the trenches. I'm working on 597 00:36:25,039 --> 00:36:29,599 cancer every day. I'm working on clearing aliens and demons 598 00:36:29,639 --> 00:36:34,039 and entities and stuff from people's bodies and fields. I'm 599 00:36:34,119 --> 00:36:39,159 in the trenches. So I think it's important to define, 600 00:36:39,519 --> 00:36:43,880 on this beautiful day that we're together, what is the 601 00:36:44,159 --> 00:36:52,559 authentic authority of a woman. It's a great question and 602 00:36:52,679 --> 00:36:54,960 something I'd love for your audience to ponder. 603 00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:57,079 Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, I've said this before on the show. 604 00:36:57,119 --> 00:36:59,280 I mean I've been surrounded by women my entire life. 605 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,400 I have no testistone in my life whatsoever. Even my 606 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:07,320 cat's balls are cut off, so they literally snowestosterone in 607 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,280 my life. So I'm surrounded by women constantly, and raised 608 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,960 by a single mom and grandmother and all that stuff. 609 00:37:13,079 --> 00:37:15,800 Very few, you know male my grandfather and my father 610 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:19,199 obviously to a certain extent. But I but I've been 611 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,320 so I I understand. I understand as a guy, I 612 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,320 understand women. I hopefully at a deep level, and my 613 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,559 children and I literally all have is women run me. Right, 614 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:33,239 So you know, having having daughters, you look at the 615 00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,159 world and you're like, you want to make them empowered, 616 00:37:36,159 --> 00:37:37,880 you want to make them strong, you want to think. 617 00:37:38,119 --> 00:37:40,800 But you're absolutely right in regards to where we've been 618 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,320 has been very male dominant. The masculine energy has been 619 00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:47,079 basically running humanity for thousands of years. Yes, but I'm 620 00:37:47,119 --> 00:37:53,480 noticing that within the last hundred there has been an 621 00:37:53,559 --> 00:37:57,920 uprise in women. There has been the feminine energy is 622 00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:01,360 starting to rise in a way. In a way because 623 00:38:02,119 --> 00:38:04,400 and I've said this has been said on the show before, 624 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:08,599 that the masculine energy was needed for a period of 625 00:38:08,679 --> 00:38:13,079 humanity's time because you needed that engine to the ego. 626 00:38:13,119 --> 00:38:14,960 I need to conquer, I need to grow, I need 627 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,519 to You needed that energy. Now, you didn't need nurturing 628 00:38:17,639 --> 00:38:19,880 energy at that point. You needed you know, kind of 629 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:23,519 that kind of energy. Where now the feminine energy is 630 00:38:23,519 --> 00:38:26,199 starting to come back in because we need it, because 631 00:38:26,199 --> 00:38:29,199 the feminine energy is what's gonna help balance this whole planet, 632 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:34,000 because if you keep going down the destructive, purely masculine energy, 633 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:38,239 which is wars and conquering and this and that we're 634 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:42,119 gonna we're not gonna make it. So we needed the 635 00:38:42,159 --> 00:38:45,119 female nurturing energy now and now we're seeing you know, 636 00:38:45,119 --> 00:38:50,360 obviously in our life. In my lifetime and a little 637 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,119 bit before, I mean, women didn't get the power to 638 00:38:52,159 --> 00:38:53,719 vote until what what was the year, I think the 639 00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:57,280 twenties or thirties, something like that. Before then they you know, 640 00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,440 and then how long before they could get a credit 641 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,880 card and then like you needed a husband to co 642 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:03,239 sign for you was insane. 643 00:39:03,519 --> 00:39:05,280 Speaker 3: So let's talk about dimensions. 644 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:07,239 Speaker 2: Yes, let's talk about. 645 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,920 Speaker 3: Dimensions, because it rolls into this. Okay, we have been 646 00:39:12,039 --> 00:39:15,800 I believe humans have been here for about two million years, 647 00:39:16,639 --> 00:39:20,199 and I believe that we were brought here. Sorry, I'm 648 00:39:20,199 --> 00:39:23,760 not trying to step on anybody's toes of belief systems, 649 00:39:24,159 --> 00:39:24,480 but I. 650 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,239 Speaker 2: Believe that we were brought here by. 651 00:39:26,119 --> 00:39:32,840 Speaker 3: A race of beings. No, they're called MoU, the giants 652 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:33,440 called MoU. 653 00:39:34,199 --> 00:39:35,000 Speaker 1: I've heard of them as well. 654 00:39:35,039 --> 00:39:37,800 Speaker 3: I believe the giants built the pyramids, they built go 655 00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:41,880 Beckley Teppe. They're responsible for a whole lot of stuff 656 00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:46,000 that helped the people of Atlantis and then the people 657 00:39:46,079 --> 00:39:49,760 of this phase of humanity. So we've been in the 658 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:54,599 fourth dimension up until the Mayan calendar ended, and that 659 00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,880 started us moving into the fifth dimension. When that happened 660 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:04,360 in twenty twelve, people experienced weird things, absolutely, neck pain, 661 00:40:04,599 --> 00:40:11,440 back pain, weird symptoms. I was watching listening talking to people, 662 00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:12,920 what are you going through? 663 00:40:14,559 --> 00:40:17,079 Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor, 664 00:40:20,679 --> 00:40:24,800 and now back to the show. Okay. 665 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,280 Speaker 3: So it's kind of like that scene in Star Trek 666 00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,880 when the ship enters the Nebula zone and all of 667 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,679 us we were like right entering. Well, now we're in 668 00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,679 the middle of it. We're in it, and this fifth 669 00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:43,000 dimension is a high, high vibration that is requiring us 670 00:40:43,519 --> 00:40:49,079 to raise our vibration to meet it, not for the 671 00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:54,079 vibration to meet us, because it's not all about us, what. 672 00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:55,679 Speaker 1: You know. 673 00:40:57,920 --> 00:40:59,920 Speaker 2: So, yeah, we've got a lot of work to do. 674 00:41:00,119 --> 00:41:02,800 Speaker 3: That's why I'm saying I'm posting on social media all 675 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:06,360 the time. You have to do the work, get the shovel, 676 00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:11,159 you gotta do the work because in order to have 677 00:41:11,199 --> 00:41:15,519 that high vibration, that high frequency, you have to know 678 00:41:15,559 --> 00:41:18,719 what the inner landscape is. You have to know what 679 00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:22,159 your traumas are. What your emotional wounding is. I just 680 00:41:22,199 --> 00:41:25,639 got a call from a woman stage four ovarian cancer. 681 00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,880 Can't figure out how it possibly could have happened. And 682 00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:32,760 she came from a perfect family, and I'm like, I 683 00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:37,360 got something to tell you here. There's no perfect family. 684 00:41:37,559 --> 00:41:45,559 And furthermore, there's something very deep rooted down in your 685 00:41:45,679 --> 00:41:52,519 pelvis that has grown over time that is now evolved 686 00:41:52,519 --> 00:41:59,719 into cancer. There's always an emotional component to the illness, always, 687 00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:06,039 and all cancers fall under the scope of resentment and anger. 688 00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:10,119 Everybody I've ever worked on who has cancer, So what 689 00:42:10,159 --> 00:42:14,400 do you really feel? Well, I'm really angry, I'm really resentful. 690 00:42:14,639 --> 00:42:15,119 Speaker 1: Yeah. 691 00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:18,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. So now that we're in this fifth dimension and 692 00:42:18,039 --> 00:42:20,639 we're all trying to navigate it and going, I don't know, 693 00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:22,400 you know, I'm all over the place. 694 00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:23,360 Speaker 2: I can't focus. 695 00:42:24,519 --> 00:42:28,079 Speaker 3: I'm so confused, and I can't find anybody to be with. 696 00:42:28,199 --> 00:42:30,239 Speaker 2: There's no people. I'm only on social media. 697 00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,480 Speaker 3: I mean, it goes on and on and on, and 698 00:42:33,519 --> 00:42:39,159 it's because this energy is so high that it takes 699 00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:45,159 everything we have to focus and to get clear on 700 00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:46,039 what we're doing. 701 00:42:46,639 --> 00:42:48,360 Speaker 2: Oh, what's my purpose? 702 00:42:49,119 --> 00:42:54,159 Speaker 3: Oh, for God's sakes, let me tell you everybody's purpose. 703 00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:55,880 Speaker 2: We are here to. 704 00:42:56,119 --> 00:43:01,519 Speaker 3: Love at the deepest level of our being explod riot 705 00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:05,280 of explosion at the heart. That's how much we're supposed 706 00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,760 to be loving. We're supposed to love everybody around the 707 00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:12,280 world as much as we love our families, our dogs, 708 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:19,079 our cats, our children. And we're so resistant, we're so like, no, 709 00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:24,320 I can't love that person. They're horrible. It's like, yeah, okay, 710 00:43:24,679 --> 00:43:32,440 I get it, I get it. But love is the vibration, 711 00:43:33,559 --> 00:43:37,760 the most powerful vibration that we can connect with, because 712 00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,719 when we're in that state of love, we open up 713 00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,719 to divine love, which is what we came from. And 714 00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:47,960 then there's e merging of those vibrations and guess what 715 00:43:48,039 --> 00:43:49,639 helps us get through the fifth dimension? 716 00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:54,639 Speaker 2: Love yep, yep, interesting yep. 717 00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:57,800 Speaker 3: As the Beatles saying all you need is love. 718 00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,079 Speaker 1: Well, the Beatles brought in a whole lot of that 719 00:44:00,679 --> 00:44:06,079 back in the day, there's no question about that. What 720 00:44:06,159 --> 00:44:09,880 I find fascinating as well, is that your background in 721 00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,800 the Native American side of you, your heritage they do 722 00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:17,159 they talk about chakras and and they talk about these 723 00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:20,559 kind of things with the terminology from the east. Is 724 00:44:20,559 --> 00:44:22,079 it a different name for it? For them. 725 00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:26,880 Speaker 3: No, I think it's very different. I think that there's 726 00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:33,400 you know, there's some traditions that practice a more you know, 727 00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:38,119 traditional native doctrine. You know, you're a bone doctor on 728 00:44:38,159 --> 00:44:42,519 the res you're going to adjust people's bones, you're a healer. 729 00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:48,360 But I would say most medicine people are across the 730 00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:53,920 country are working similarly to how I work, in that 731 00:44:54,119 --> 00:44:59,079 they are looking for what was done to this person 732 00:44:59,559 --> 00:45:04,880 that has made them ill. See that's interesting. I work 733 00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:05,480 both ways. 734 00:45:05,639 --> 00:45:06,840 Speaker 2: I want to know what. 735 00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:11,280 Speaker 3: Did you experience and create from an emotional wound that 736 00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:17,079 sprouted this illness, Whereas in a more traditional native way, 737 00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:22,199 I think it's what somebody put the mojo on you. 738 00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,239 And believe me, I take stuff off of people all 739 00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,639 the time, and their symptoms are gone. They're totally clear. 740 00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:33,960 So it's you see what I'm saying, It's kind of 741 00:45:34,039 --> 00:45:38,159 two streets that I walk on. I walk on take 742 00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:42,119 responsibility and I walk on. Okay, let's look at what 743 00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:42,800 happened here. 744 00:45:43,119 --> 00:45:45,119 Speaker 1: Now. Another aspect of the thing of the work you 745 00:45:45,199 --> 00:45:49,280 do is you are a spirit traveler. M please tell 746 00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:53,280 me what a spirit traveler is? What that sounds fascinating? Yeah? 747 00:45:53,639 --> 00:45:58,239 Speaker 3: Well, okay, long time ago. I don't know, twenty five 748 00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:03,440 years ago, Sean and I went to the Willaua Mountains 749 00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:06,920 in eastern Oregon. We got a cabin. We were all excited. 750 00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:10,920 It's beautiful there. I grew up camping and you know, 751 00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,119 backpacking into the woods. 752 00:46:13,159 --> 00:46:15,199 Speaker 2: So anyways, we're there. I'm happy. 753 00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:19,280 Speaker 3: I told Sean I'm gonna sit down and just do 754 00:46:19,519 --> 00:46:23,079 like a twenty minute meditation, and he said, okay, I'm 755 00:46:23,079 --> 00:46:26,320 gonna sit here on the porch and just hang out. 756 00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,480 I'll wait for you and then we'll cook dinner. So 757 00:46:28,519 --> 00:46:35,840 it was kind of dusk. Well, in my meditation, I 758 00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:41,760 was experiencing when I go into meditation, my body dissolving 759 00:46:42,519 --> 00:46:47,559 and just becoming like grains of sand that just rolled 760 00:46:47,599 --> 00:46:51,559 into the trees or whatever was my environment. So I 761 00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:55,239 was gone. I was gone, and my guides, who are 762 00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:58,360 high angelic beans, came held their hand out and said, 763 00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:02,079 we want to show you something. I said, okay, I 764 00:47:02,119 --> 00:47:05,840 took their hands and we went up and I mean 765 00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,800 I felt it. I felt the air. We went up 766 00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,639 and up and up, and we kept going up and 767 00:47:11,679 --> 00:47:15,559 I'm like, okay, we're out in space now. We really 768 00:47:15,599 --> 00:47:21,239 went up, and we ended up at this place that 769 00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,800 they informed me was called the center of the universe. 770 00:47:25,559 --> 00:47:27,760 Speaker 2: That's okay, that's significant. 771 00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:29,639 Speaker 1: So you don't see Earth at this point. 772 00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:31,960 Speaker 3: No, you're gone, gone, I'm gone. 773 00:47:31,599 --> 00:47:34,280 Speaker 1: Because I say, we're not that close to the nervous. 774 00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:35,639 Speaker 2: No, I was gone, gone. 775 00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:41,199 Speaker 3: And there were these beans there and I call them 776 00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:45,559 the Savroc but they're the ant people, and the ant 777 00:47:45,679 --> 00:47:48,639 I've met the Ant people I'd spirit traveled. 778 00:47:49,039 --> 00:47:50,880 Speaker 2: Not then. This was the first. 779 00:47:51,119 --> 00:47:55,239 Speaker 3: Okay, I'd met the Ant people before, but not in 780 00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,519 this context. So they're standing there and I'm like, what 781 00:47:58,639 --> 00:48:02,000 are you guys doing here? They said, we take care 782 00:48:02,079 --> 00:48:05,000 of the center of the universe, and I said, wow, 783 00:48:05,119 --> 00:48:08,840 cool job. And they said there was this kind of 784 00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,480 milky white substance and they said we want you to 785 00:48:11,519 --> 00:48:14,800 step into this. And I looked at my guides like, okay, 786 00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:18,079 I'm really scared now, and they said it's okay. 787 00:48:19,039 --> 00:48:19,920 Speaker 2: So I stepped in. 788 00:48:21,519 --> 00:48:26,840 Speaker 3: Absolutely hands down. I can't even fully explain it to you. 789 00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:31,159 I went into such a state of bliss that I 790 00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:35,679 was just I mean, it was overwhelming. I was totally like, 791 00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,480 I'm never coming out of this, I'm forever staying here. 792 00:48:39,199 --> 00:48:41,320 And about that time, they said it's time to go, 793 00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,880 and I'm like no, So I took their hands. 794 00:48:45,159 --> 00:48:46,320 Speaker 2: We went back down. 795 00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,320 Speaker 3: We thanked the Savroc of course, and we went back 796 00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:54,679 down and it was five hours later. 797 00:48:56,079 --> 00:48:59,119 Speaker 2: But for you, it was like this, Sean was still 798 00:48:59,119 --> 00:48:59,800 sitting there. 799 00:49:01,039 --> 00:49:02,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, he was still sitting there. 800 00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:06,440 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, no, I'm okay. 801 00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,480 Speaker 3: He was still sitting there, and I'm like, oh my god. 802 00:49:09,559 --> 00:49:13,599 It was like dark and yeah, wow, it was crazy. 803 00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:14,719 It was crazy. 804 00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,000 Speaker 1: And he left you there for five hours. He didn't 805 00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:17,360 bother you. 806 00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:18,719 Speaker 3: Oh he knew I was gone. 807 00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:20,119 Speaker 2: He could tell. Yeah. 808 00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:25,159 Speaker 3: So ever since then, I call my ability to spirit 809 00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:29,960 travel a process in which I have to go into meditation. 810 00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:36,199 I can't go anywhere unless I am fully dissolved, and 811 00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:40,280 then I take my guide's hands. I never go anywhere 812 00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:45,000 without them, and they take me to a place back 813 00:49:45,039 --> 00:49:47,719 in time that they want to show me. So we've 814 00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,360 been to the Great Pyramids, We've been to go Beckley, Teppe. 815 00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:53,440 We've been to Easter Island. We've been all over the 816 00:49:53,519 --> 00:49:59,519 place various time frames. Probably the most interesting was going 817 00:49:59,559 --> 00:50:00,960 back to Atlantis. 818 00:50:01,159 --> 00:50:04,920 Speaker 1: Please, yeah, explain, Please tell us the story. What was 819 00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:06,280 it like being in Atlantis? 820 00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:10,400 Speaker 3: It was really cool because point in two time periods. 821 00:50:10,519 --> 00:50:15,599 We first we went back to Atlantis after right before 822 00:50:15,639 --> 00:50:16,599 Atlantis fell. 823 00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:20,920 Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor, 824 00:50:24,519 --> 00:50:25,800 and now back to the show. 825 00:50:28,119 --> 00:50:31,000 Speaker 3: And then we went back to two hundred and fifty 826 00:50:31,199 --> 00:50:34,880 thousand BC at the beginning of Atlantis. 827 00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:37,559 Speaker 1: Okay, and there was right before it fell. 828 00:50:37,639 --> 00:50:42,159 Speaker 3: And yeah, at the beginning, I see Atlantis starting around 829 00:50:42,159 --> 00:50:45,320 two hundred and fifty thousand BC. It's a long time 830 00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:47,280 for a civilization. 831 00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:51,119 Speaker 1: One civilization. Did they have cycles? Yeah, well, so the 832 00:50:51,199 --> 00:50:52,840 destruction cycle, rebirth cycle. 833 00:50:53,159 --> 00:50:57,440 Speaker 3: There were there were some cycles, but it was more influence. 834 00:50:58,159 --> 00:50:59,280 Influence coming in. 835 00:51:00,039 --> 00:51:00,800 Speaker 2: It's the latter part. 836 00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:05,599 Speaker 3: It was on Anaki coming in and wanting to enslave 837 00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:06,320 the people. 838 00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:08,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. Interesting. 839 00:51:08,679 --> 00:51:12,519 Speaker 3: So at the beginning, there was a temple that was built, 840 00:51:12,599 --> 00:51:16,400 and the temple was in the shape of a big serpent, 841 00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:22,079 and you walked down the hallway inside the serpent, and 842 00:51:22,119 --> 00:51:25,199 there was an altar at the end at the head 843 00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:31,159 of the serpent, and water all around the altar. And 844 00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:36,480 during this time an alien race came and visited them 845 00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:41,000 and gave them a sphere, and the sphere held some 846 00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:46,079 form of nuclear power, and that sphere was kept in 847 00:51:46,199 --> 00:51:50,159 this temple in the water under the altar, it was 848 00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:50,880 kept safe. 849 00:51:51,599 --> 00:51:53,679 Speaker 1: Is that what the Great Pyramid was supposed to be for, 850 00:51:54,079 --> 00:51:55,360 because it's not a tomb. 851 00:51:55,159 --> 00:52:00,239 Speaker 3: Hold that thought? Okay, So over time they were shown 852 00:52:00,679 --> 00:52:06,199 how to use this power, and they utilized it very specifically. 853 00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,639 They were very careful about what they used it for. 854 00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:14,639 But in the end showing up now at the end 855 00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:18,880 of the Fall of Atlantis, there was another race of 856 00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:22,639 beings not from Earth that got a hold of that 857 00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:27,559 sphere and it caused a nuclear they opened it, it 858 00:52:27,639 --> 00:52:31,960 caused a nuclear reaction, and that was the beginning of 859 00:52:32,079 --> 00:52:37,400 the fall of Atlantis. That was the beginning. Then over 860 00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:41,679 the course of one hundred years, all these comets came in. 861 00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:47,079 And now I view comets as the watchdogs of the universe, 862 00:52:48,079 --> 00:52:48,679 and they. 863 00:52:48,519 --> 00:52:49,480 Speaker 2: Protect the Earth. 864 00:52:49,679 --> 00:52:52,719 Speaker 3: If they see anybody messing with her, they're on it. 865 00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:56,519 They're coming. They're not going to even if they crash 866 00:52:56,679 --> 00:53:01,239 into Earth, it's to rid her of her flo right, 867 00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:02,800 It's kind of like that. 868 00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:06,559 Speaker 1: It's a total endgame kind of scenario though. 869 00:53:06,599 --> 00:53:09,840 Speaker 3: But yes, yeah, it's a sledgehammer, it's not a scalpel, right, 870 00:53:10,199 --> 00:53:14,039 But they're definitely they're the watchdogs. Okay, so they came 871 00:53:14,079 --> 00:53:17,119 in hit the earth land mass has shifted, broke off. 872 00:53:17,639 --> 00:53:21,119 You know, we know the fall of Atlantis. And I 873 00:53:21,159 --> 00:53:24,039 saw all of this, and I thought the nuclear part 874 00:53:24,039 --> 00:53:31,199 of it was so interesting because I did not suspect that. 875 00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:33,639 Speaker 2: I did not, and. 876 00:53:33,639 --> 00:53:38,400 Speaker 3: Yet here we are today dealing with this ducular power 877 00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:42,559 war whatever. You know, everybody worried about what's going to 878 00:53:42,639 --> 00:53:47,639 happen next, and I'm like, yeah, okay, I get it 879 00:53:47,679 --> 00:53:51,000 now where this is as much of a cycle as 880 00:53:51,119 --> 00:53:57,960 anything else. It's all cyclical, and it's all karmic. Everything, 881 00:53:58,079 --> 00:54:01,679 even this moment between you and I, it's karmic. There 882 00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:05,199 is no like, why is it. I just walked past 883 00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:08,239 one hundred people in New York and I don't have 884 00:54:08,679 --> 00:54:11,199 any interaction with it because I don't have any karma 885 00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:17,280 with those people. Yeah, so it's all cyclical and all karmic. 886 00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:20,599 And I do feel that things are predestined. 887 00:54:22,159 --> 00:54:22,639 Speaker 2: I don't. 888 00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:25,199 Speaker 3: I think that we have free will and that we 889 00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:30,960 can definitely raise our vibration and do the things that 890 00:54:31,039 --> 00:54:34,840 we want to do, but we have to know and 891 00:54:35,039 --> 00:54:38,440 understand what our karma is so we can do those 892 00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:41,320 things within the context of that is. 893 00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:44,440 Speaker 1: This concept of karma. Is that something that the Hopies 894 00:54:44,519 --> 00:54:47,400 also have, is it but it's not called karma? Or 895 00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:48,559 is that even something that they. 896 00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:54,519 Speaker 3: I don't you know, they have prophecies and they believe 897 00:54:54,639 --> 00:54:58,760 that we were we came to Earth in the first world. 898 00:55:00,079 --> 00:55:02,679 You were born of the earth in the first world 899 00:55:03,079 --> 00:55:10,840 from Grandmother's spider and the creator, the massole was there 900 00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:13,480 here on the planet with a torch and that was 901 00:55:13,559 --> 00:55:17,800 the only light. And there's the whole process of you know, 902 00:55:18,159 --> 00:55:21,639 what happened in that first world and then that ended, 903 00:55:21,679 --> 00:55:24,960 and then the second world happened, and there's a whole problem, 904 00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:27,320 and then the Third world happened and that came to 905 00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:31,199 an end floods and you know, devastation, and now we're 906 00:55:31,199 --> 00:55:34,280 in the fourth world, and there is the prophecy that 907 00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:36,719 the fourth world will come to an end and that 908 00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:37,840 we will move into the. 909 00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,280 Speaker 1: Fifth world, which is what it's. 910 00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:45,800 Speaker 3: Everything cyclical, yes, everything, everything cyclical. Even our emotional patterning 911 00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:49,480 is cyclical. You know, we're just nothing but a bunch 912 00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:51,960 of cycles, pretty much. 913 00:55:52,079 --> 00:55:57,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I mean absolutely, there's no question about it. Yeah. 914 00:55:57,239 --> 00:55:59,400 So when you when you're doing the spirit travel and 915 00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:01,679 you've gone to the different places, oh so great Pyramid 916 00:56:02,079 --> 00:56:04,280 back to a great parent great Pyramid. Yes, is that 917 00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:07,159 what that was? Because that's the question I've had, and 918 00:56:07,199 --> 00:56:09,159 many people have had it. They say, it's a tomb. 919 00:56:09,159 --> 00:56:09,840 It's not a tomb. 920 00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:12,400 Speaker 3: No, it's not a tomb. And in both of my 921 00:56:12,519 --> 00:56:16,719 Spirit Traveler books I have two out, I talk about 922 00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:18,960 the Kaffree Pyramid in the first one and the Great 923 00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:23,119 Pyramid in the second one, And what I describe is 924 00:56:23,159 --> 00:56:29,000 they are a teleportal system. They are a transport system. 925 00:56:29,559 --> 00:56:37,480 The Great Pyramid was built first with the sarcophagus and 926 00:56:37,599 --> 00:56:39,960 the room that that is held in. That was the 927 00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:45,400 first part that was built. Everything came afterwards and was 928 00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:50,079 built over it. And I experienced it. I spirit traveled 929 00:56:50,119 --> 00:56:56,840 back there. I absolutely got transported off planet. And it 930 00:56:56,880 --> 00:57:00,239 does go to Orion's Elt. 931 00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:05,320 Speaker 1: That is the transport to So I've heard from people 932 00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:07,039 who have gone to the Gray Pyramid and have gone 933 00:57:07,079 --> 00:57:12,519 inside the King's Chamber that they meditate there, they'll play 934 00:57:12,519 --> 00:57:15,159 some music there or they'll hit a sound and it's 935 00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:19,199 just the vibration in that room is something out other worldly. 936 00:57:19,639 --> 00:57:22,760 But many of them are like, literally the sky opens 937 00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:26,039 up to them, they see the stars. It's they've had 938 00:57:26,079 --> 00:57:26,920 many reports like that. 939 00:57:27,079 --> 00:57:30,280 Speaker 3: Yes, that, and it is sound. That part of the 940 00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:32,199 transport is sound. 941 00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:35,280 Speaker 1: When you say that, did you ever see the movie 942 00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:41,039 Contact Is? Is that kind of what we're talking about 943 00:57:41,039 --> 00:57:44,719 as far as the transporting through wormholes and all that 944 00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:47,000 kind of stuff. Yes, I love that movie. 945 00:57:47,119 --> 00:57:49,440 Speaker 2: I love that movie too, And they're remaking it. 946 00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:52,199 Speaker 3: Did you know that they're remaking it? 947 00:57:52,239 --> 00:57:54,400 Speaker 1: Of course they're remaking. They're remaking everything because they have 948 00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:55,800 no original ideas anymore. 949 00:57:55,599 --> 00:57:56,920 Speaker 2: They need to talk to me. 950 00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:01,400 Speaker 1: Oh god, they're terrified. Dolly's terrified doing anything original anymore. 951 00:58:02,519 --> 00:58:05,639 But the original movie with Jodie Foster and Matthew McConaughey, 952 00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:09,480 I love it. It was Oh god, not Carl, not 953 00:58:09,559 --> 00:58:14,440 Carl Young, but Carl who's the writer, Sagan? Thank you 954 00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:18,320 Carl Sagan. He was a very spirit It seems like 955 00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:21,320 he was a very spiritual dude. Yeah, he was a deep, 956 00:58:21,599 --> 00:58:24,760 deep guy. I mean it was into this obviously as 957 00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:27,679 a star as an astronomer and scientist, but he was 958 00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:30,760 a very deep guy. I mean, you read that, you 959 00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:33,320 read that, you watch that movie, you read that book, 960 00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:37,000 you're just like, what is happening? So it is similar though. 961 00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:40,039 Speaker 3: I think it's similar my experience because I went there 962 00:58:40,639 --> 00:58:42,360 spirit traveling and was. 963 00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:43,679 Speaker 2: Literally taken up. 964 00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:51,079 Speaker 3: But I do believe that people have experiences of travel 965 00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:57,920 time travel or teleporting to a planet, whatever by just 966 00:58:58,079 --> 00:59:00,519 being in that room, in that space. 967 00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:05,880 Speaker 1: Let me ask you something. When you're traveling spirit traveling 968 00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:07,239 through time, so, like you said, you were at the 969 00:59:07,239 --> 00:59:11,559 beginning of Atlantis, at the end of Atlantis. This might 970 00:59:11,599 --> 00:59:13,960 be a very difficult question or very deep question. But 971 00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:20,239 how does that work? I heard somewhere that all all time, 972 00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:22,760 all lifetimes are happening in the exact same time. So 973 00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:27,159 we're the soul is experiencing multiple lifetimes at the exact 974 00:59:27,159 --> 00:59:30,440 same time. So right now, as we're speaking, Atlantis is 975 00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:33,639 falling at the exact same time. It's hard for our 976 00:59:33,679 --> 00:59:38,079 little brains to wrap around it. Can you explain how 977 00:59:38,119 --> 00:59:41,800 that time travel aspect of it works? Are we jumping 978 00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:45,159 to different timelines? Are we all the same timeline in 979 00:59:45,159 --> 00:59:46,880 a different place? Like I said, this is. 980 00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:49,719 Speaker 3: A So the best explanation I can give you is, 981 00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:53,599 I'm not my body time traveling. 982 00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:54,239 Speaker 1: No, of course not. 983 00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:59,239 Speaker 3: So I'm in I'm in like an etheric. 984 00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:01,960 Speaker 1: State, almost astral traveling. 985 01:00:02,039 --> 01:00:03,880 Speaker 2: No, it's not astral travel. 986 01:00:03,599 --> 01:00:04,440 Speaker 1: It's something different. 987 01:00:04,519 --> 01:00:09,360 Speaker 3: It's something completely different. I can't experience this level of 988 01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:14,000 travel unless I go into meditation and feel my body 989 01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:17,079 completely dissolving. 990 01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:19,880 Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor, 991 01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:24,760 and now back to the show. 992 01:00:27,199 --> 01:00:31,000 Speaker 3: So that right there takes it out of the astral 993 01:00:31,039 --> 01:00:37,920 travel arena. Okay, So when they take me and we go, 994 01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:45,159 there's some crossing of timelines that's happening. But I'm feeling 995 01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:48,760 the air, the cold. Sometimes I wear a coat because 996 01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:50,239 they tell me it's going to be cold. 997 01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:53,239 Speaker 2: It's wild. 998 01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:55,400 Speaker 1: Your theory of body can get cold. 999 01:00:55,519 --> 01:00:58,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, yes it does. 1000 01:00:58,559 --> 01:01:01,880 Speaker 3: I mean I've felt it when I come back exhausted. 1001 01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:04,639 I think I've only been gone half an hour. I've 1002 01:01:04,639 --> 01:01:06,360 been gone five hours. I've been gone. 1003 01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:07,719 Speaker 2: I mean it's crazy. 1004 01:01:08,679 --> 01:01:12,119 Speaker 1: Are you familiar with Yogananda. Yeah, he would talk about 1005 01:01:12,159 --> 01:01:15,159 this stuff that he would He's like, I'm going to 1006 01:01:15,239 --> 01:01:17,159 go away. Now, I'll be gone for a few days. 1007 01:01:17,719 --> 01:01:19,440 If you need me, just come into my ear and 1008 01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:21,920 whisper that we need you, and I'll come back. And 1009 01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:24,000 he would go into these deep meditations and he would 1010 01:01:24,039 --> 01:01:28,199 just be gone. Yeah. Just he's traveling, he's going doing 1011 01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:29,960 and a lot of the Yogi's and a lot of 1012 01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:33,880 the gurus and swamis have talked about this throw No. 1013 01:01:34,199 --> 01:01:37,679 Speaker 3: A friend of mine brought me back some for booty 1014 01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:43,559 from Saibaba and she said, put it under your tongue 1015 01:01:44,199 --> 01:01:47,679 before you go to bed, and so I did. And 1016 01:01:47,719 --> 01:01:50,800 I knew who Saibaba was. I was definitely aware and 1017 01:01:51,239 --> 01:01:54,920 you know, felt totally fine with him. 1018 01:01:55,239 --> 01:01:57,039 Speaker 2: So I did. I put it under my tongue. 1019 01:01:57,599 --> 01:02:02,079 Speaker 3: That night, I dreamt I was and I don't know 1020 01:02:02,119 --> 01:02:05,320 anything about his ashram, So I dreamt I was in 1021 01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:08,880 an ashram and he met me. He took me by 1022 01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:13,400 the hand, and he pushed on a wall and it 1023 01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:18,159 popped open like a door, and we sat in this 1024 01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:24,840 private room and we talked about like super deep spiritual 1025 01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:29,639 stuff that was like it was so incredible the conversation. 1026 01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:34,639 And then I came back and I went to see 1027 01:02:34,639 --> 01:02:37,280 her the next day and I said, okay, so I 1028 01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:40,599 had this dream I was in this place. This is 1029 01:02:40,639 --> 01:02:44,480 what it looked like. I described the ashram to a 1030 01:02:44,719 --> 01:02:49,320 tea and she and I told her about the wall 1031 01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:53,440 that popped open like a door, and she said, that 1032 01:02:53,679 --> 01:02:56,559 is exactly what it looks like. And there is a 1033 01:02:56,639 --> 01:02:59,800 door into a private room she said. 1034 01:02:59,559 --> 01:03:00,000 Speaker 2: You were there. 1035 01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:01,880 Speaker 1: Interesting. 1036 01:03:02,119 --> 01:03:05,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I totally had this connection with him. Was so 1037 01:03:06,079 --> 01:03:10,440 it was so interesting to have that like. 1038 01:03:10,639 --> 01:03:11,800 Speaker 2: Be there and. 1039 01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:17,840 Speaker 3: Not feel that there was any separation between this reality 1040 01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:18,239 and that. 1041 01:03:18,559 --> 01:03:21,079 Speaker 1: So, yea, I'm gonna ask you something. Uh. I find 1042 01:03:21,079 --> 01:03:23,760 this really interesting. And again I have a unique perspective 1043 01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:27,480 because of the amount of people in this space that 1044 01:03:27,519 --> 01:03:30,679 I speak to on a daily daily basis. From all 1045 01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:35,920 walks of life. There seems to be levels, and it's 1046 01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:40,039 not above or beyond, just different levels where the experience, 1047 01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:45,119 the human experience is so distinctly different. So obviously you 1048 01:03:45,159 --> 01:03:48,239 and I are having a very deep conversation about sparrow 1049 01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:51,800 travel and going to you know, goog gurus ashroms in 1050 01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:55,000 the meditation in India and all this kind of stuff. 1051 01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:57,880 And then there's there's people who are just like I 1052 01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:02,280 can't pay my bills tonight. They can't even comprehend what 1053 01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:05,079 we're talking about. And I think all of us have 1054 01:04:05,159 --> 01:04:08,679 been at all levels of it. Very few saints coming 1055 01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:11,400 fully formed. They usually have to go through the process. 1056 01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:14,960 But I'm noticing it. Even within my own life, I'm 1057 01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:19,960 experiencing things on a spiritual level that I never could 1058 01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:22,960 even conceive of when I was in my twenties. I mean, 1059 01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:24,920 when I read Autobiography or the Yogi for the first time, 1060 01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:26,679 I'm like, I stopped in chapter three. I was like, 1061 01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:30,320 what by a location? This is crazy, I'm out of here, 1062 01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:32,280 and I just I put it down. I couldn't. I 1063 01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:35,039 couldn't wrap my head around it. So I've evolved to 1064 01:04:35,039 --> 01:04:36,599 a point where I, when I finally picked it up again, 1065 01:04:36,719 --> 01:04:40,559 go oh, now I get it. Now I'm ready for it. 1066 01:04:41,159 --> 01:04:44,280 But you had to kind of get yourself to a level. 1067 01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:46,679 So when people ask me about meditation all the time, 1068 01:04:47,079 --> 01:04:49,559 they're like, oh, you know, how do I meditate? Or 1069 01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:51,719 how can I get to these deep places? Like? It 1070 01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:56,440 takes work. It takes time to meditate. I mean I've 1071 01:04:56,440 --> 01:05:00,159 been meditating for probably almost a decade now, over a 1072 01:05:00,199 --> 01:05:05,440 little bit over a decade, And when I first started, 1073 01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:07,719 I wasn't feeling what I feel now when I go 1074 01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:11,000 to meditate. Rights But it takes time to build this up. 1075 01:05:11,119 --> 01:05:13,800 So I'm bringing this up for people to understand that 1076 01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:17,880 just because you can't spirit travel, I can't at least 1077 01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:20,800 I don't think I can or have these abilities. We're 1078 01:05:20,840 --> 01:05:21,760 all capable of it. 1079 01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:25,280 Speaker 3: It's just okay, and I'm glad you brought this up. 1080 01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:26,719 Speaker 2: Please, this is really important. 1081 01:05:27,159 --> 01:05:31,440 Speaker 3: We are all spiritual, Yes, we are all infinite souls 1082 01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:37,760 having a human experience. We are all capable, maybe not willing, 1083 01:05:38,039 --> 01:05:42,840 but we are all capable of meditation. We are all empathic. 1084 01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:48,159 We all have super duper intuition if we choose to 1085 01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:55,800 tap into that. But this is where karma comes in. Okay, Karmically, 1086 01:05:56,360 --> 01:06:00,239 I have had lifetime after lifetime after lifetime of being 1087 01:06:00,599 --> 01:06:04,440 some type of healer. That's the you know, the cross 1088 01:06:04,519 --> 01:06:08,800 eye bear. I have to go through that and obviously 1089 01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:12,599 work through things being burned at the steak and hung 1090 01:06:12,639 --> 01:06:15,119 and all kinds of things for being heretic. So I'm 1091 01:06:15,159 --> 01:06:19,800 still working that out right. Some people have karma where 1092 01:06:20,199 --> 01:06:24,440 they're a farmer. They're really good as a farmer. They 1093 01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:29,920 know plants, they know the David realm, they understand nature, 1094 01:06:30,639 --> 01:06:34,280 and that shouldn't be a repellent. That should be a wow, 1095 01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:37,440 I'm good at this. I should do this. This is 1096 01:06:37,559 --> 01:06:41,719 my purpose, right, So we all have sort of these 1097 01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:46,599 different things karmically that we're working through. Can everybody do 1098 01:06:46,639 --> 01:06:47,239 what I do? 1099 01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:47,400 Speaker 1: No? 1100 01:06:47,559 --> 01:06:48,239 Speaker 2: I don't think so. 1101 01:06:49,639 --> 01:06:52,440 Speaker 3: Can everybody do what you do, huh. I don't think so. 1102 01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:54,920 Speaker 1: Well, the people who have different skill set, like I 1103 01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:58,519 can't play basketball like Michael Jordan, right, I just can't. 1104 01:06:58,599 --> 01:07:00,679 Speaker 3: And I tell people all the time, if you need 1105 01:07:00,719 --> 01:07:04,559 brain surgery, because we're all one and we're all the same, 1106 01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:08,039 are you going to ask the kid begging your groceries 1107 01:07:08,079 --> 01:07:09,320 to do your brain surgery? 1108 01:07:09,679 --> 01:07:10,400 Speaker 2: I don't think so. 1109 01:07:10,639 --> 01:07:14,239 Speaker 1: There's skills that need to be acquired exactly or cultivate. 1110 01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:16,679 And this perfect example I'll bring Michael Jordan back up 1111 01:07:16,719 --> 01:07:19,679 is when he started, he had obviously natural talent. Yeah, 1112 01:07:19,719 --> 01:07:21,519 but he was cut from his high school team. Yeah, 1113 01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:24,159 he had to work at it, he had to develop 1114 01:07:24,239 --> 01:07:26,440 that talent, but he had a good starting place. But 1115 01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:28,320 that was obviously what he was supposed to be doing. 1116 01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:32,519 Speaker 3: And this brings us full circle back to addiction and 1117 01:07:32,559 --> 01:07:36,639 the whole idea that spiritualism has become as big of 1118 01:07:36,679 --> 01:07:41,800 an addiction as any addiction. Preach, preach, I'm telling you, 1119 01:07:42,599 --> 01:07:44,719 I mean, you know, I've read this book, I've read 1120 01:07:44,719 --> 01:07:47,239 that book, I've taken this workshop, I've gone to Joe Despenza, 1121 01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:49,800 I've gone here, I've gone there, blah blah blah blah blah, 1122 01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:55,159 and I'm still not clear about what I'm supposed to 1123 01:07:55,199 --> 01:07:58,760 be doing or why I have this chronic depression. 1124 01:07:59,039 --> 01:08:01,320 Speaker 2: Well, I hear that all the time. 1125 01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:05,559 Speaker 1: But sonia isn't it. Because when you do that kind 1126 01:08:05,599 --> 01:08:11,079 of stuff and you're constantly and it's great, you're reading books, 1127 01:08:11,079 --> 01:08:17,000 you're educating yourself, watching podcasts, you're downloading courses, that's all fantastic, yes, 1128 01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:20,079 but it could be addictive because it could be a false. 1129 01:08:21,279 --> 01:08:24,239 It's a false the false ego, if you will, is 1130 01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:27,279 going to I've met people like I'm the most spiritual person. 1131 01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:30,439 I'm the almost humble person. Really, if you're saying it, 1132 01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:33,720 that's probably not a good thing. I know so. But 1133 01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:36,000 the thing is that there, it's all surface level stuff. 1134 01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:39,159 They're not digging deep, and it's kind of like this 1135 01:08:39,319 --> 01:08:44,359 kind of almost rat race, almost wheel, spinning wheel that 1136 01:08:44,359 --> 01:08:47,119 you're on that you can't get off because you're just 1137 01:08:47,159 --> 01:08:49,439 constantly doing the surface level stuff but you're not doing 1138 01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:52,560 the deep work. But you're lying to yourself saying I'm 1139 01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:55,680 super spiritual because I've got all the products that I 1140 01:08:55,720 --> 01:08:57,439 have to have. I have the crystals in the room, 1141 01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:01,720 I'm saging every night. Know, I have my tarot deck, here. 1142 01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:04,600 I've got my oracle deck over there, and those are 1143 01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:08,720 all wonderful things they are. But the tools, like anything. 1144 01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:09,880 Speaker 2: They're tools. 1145 01:09:10,079 --> 01:09:15,000 Speaker 3: They're tools. And you know, if there's one thing that 1146 01:09:15,039 --> 01:09:21,960 my native culture really has taught me is we yes, 1147 01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:25,960 we need to be humble, and we need to walk 1148 01:09:26,159 --> 01:09:28,319 as what we say, a good red road. You know, 1149 01:09:28,359 --> 01:09:35,920 we have to we have to be mindful that other 1150 01:09:36,119 --> 01:09:40,880 people have feelings, they matter, They they when they need 1151 01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:45,760 our compassion, they need our love. They might not have 1152 01:09:47,079 --> 01:09:50,239 what you have, or maybe you have less than them, 1153 01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:56,039 but you have, you know, your your infinite soul inside 1154 01:09:56,079 --> 01:10:00,359 of you that's guiding you. There's there's so mu much 1155 01:10:00,399 --> 01:10:05,560 to spiritualism that, like I said, has become a bit 1156 01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:09,840 of an addiction. People running off to an ayahuasca ceremony 1157 01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:12,720 and then running off to do psychedelics and then smoking 1158 01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:16,960 pod and you know, all these things that yeah done 1159 01:10:17,239 --> 01:10:21,880 in a very ceremonial way might help you get to 1160 01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:25,359 what you need to get to. People with PTSD, people 1161 01:10:25,399 --> 01:10:28,600 in military. Absolutely, But. 1162 01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:33,119 Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor 1163 01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:38,000 and now back to the show. 1164 01:10:40,479 --> 01:10:43,640 Speaker 3: But we I feel it's so important that we know 1165 01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:48,479 what that content is inside of us that we do 1166 01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:54,239 that deep exploration of emotional wounds and trauma so that 1167 01:10:54,319 --> 01:10:58,920 we can then approach that spiritual path from a place 1168 01:10:59,079 --> 01:11:05,039 of grounded, focused perseverance. 1169 01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:08,359 Speaker 1: One thing you were saying in regards to the lifetimes, 1170 01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:11,600 that you've been a healer in many lifetimes. I've been 1171 01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:15,760 told that I've been a monk and a radical, and 1172 01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:19,439 I was in many lifetimes. I was jailed and you know, 1173 01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:23,399 I'm sure I was a witch at one point many lifetimes. 1174 01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:24,239 I was speaking to. 1175 01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:27,800 Speaker 3: It was in Scotland. You were you're you were a 1176 01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:30,399 woman in that lifetime, and you were you had your 1177 01:11:30,439 --> 01:11:33,680 thumbs and your toe your big toes tied together and 1178 01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:37,600 you were pushed in the moat and the and if 1179 01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:40,840 you drowned, you were definitely a witch. If you survived it, 1180 01:11:40,920 --> 01:11:45,000 then you were killed and given a Christian burial. That's 1181 01:11:45,039 --> 01:11:47,920 how you died in that in that lifetime, being a witch. 1182 01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:49,239 I just saw it really clear. 1183 01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:49,920 Speaker 1: Wow. 1184 01:11:50,279 --> 01:11:52,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, sorry, I was like. 1185 01:11:52,119 --> 01:11:55,840 Speaker 1: I didn't know you did past life, past life, all 1186 01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:56,279 of it. 1187 01:11:56,520 --> 01:11:57,640 Speaker 2: I do all of it. 1188 01:11:57,720 --> 01:12:03,279 Speaker 1: That's fascinating. But I was talking to a guest. He 1189 01:12:03,479 --> 01:12:10,079 was a ex military Special Forces and he's done a 1190 01:12:10,119 --> 01:12:12,800 lot of what special Forces do around the world things 1191 01:12:12,840 --> 01:12:15,640 like that, And he spent a lot of time in 1192 01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:18,840 the jungles of South America and there he wouldn't go 1193 01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:20,880 to a village and he would meet the medicine man 1194 01:12:21,119 --> 01:12:23,560 and one medicine that one day he had a session 1195 01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:26,840 with this medicine man in the jungle and he basically 1196 01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:31,319 asked them why why he's a very deep mad love 1197 01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:34,399 to his name is Tulam. I love him. He has 1198 01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:38,279 a very deep spiritual aspect to him, even being a warrior. 1199 01:12:41,119 --> 01:12:44,079 And he asked, like, why am I like this? Because 1200 01:12:45,279 --> 01:12:47,600 there was a sadness to him that he was a 1201 01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:50,399 warrior in this life. Yeah, had to do what he 1202 01:12:50,479 --> 01:12:55,880 did as a warrior. And the medicine man said, well, 1203 01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:59,279 that's you. That's your breed. He goes, what do you mean, 1204 01:12:59,359 --> 01:13:04,960 he goes, it's like a dog breed. You're warrior. You 1205 01:13:05,079 --> 01:13:09,000 have been warrior and many many many lifetimes. That's what 1206 01:13:09,039 --> 01:13:11,600 you know, and that's why you're drawn to it every 1207 01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:14,960 single lifetime. So it's similar to you as a healer, 1208 01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:18,479 similar to me as a communicator or a I guess 1209 01:13:18,520 --> 01:13:21,880 a spiritual person. You're drawn to. 1210 01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:24,439 Speaker 3: It well, and even you know as a healer. What 1211 01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:28,039 I see with people is someone will come to me, 1212 01:13:28,439 --> 01:13:31,880 you know, I broke my leg. Can you work on 1213 01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:34,720 the bone? I need help, you know, healing this quickly 1214 01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:36,960 because I've got a marathon to rut. 1215 01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:42,199 Speaker 1: No, i gotta go up to Mount Everest and right, 1216 01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:43,600 can you hook me up please? 1217 01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:48,560 Speaker 3: So I'm working on their leg, but I'm also looking 1218 01:13:48,680 --> 01:13:52,279 at the cycle, and there it is. 1219 01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:55,279 Speaker 2: The background, the background. 1220 01:13:54,800 --> 01:14:03,760 Speaker 3: Last lifetime killed in Vietnam, leg broken, quick reincarnation, lifetime 1221 01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:08,000 before World War Two, shot in the leg, died from infection, 1222 01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:13,279 next lifetime, acts in the leg. It kept going where 1223 01:14:13,319 --> 01:14:17,479 it was, always the leg and always being either shattered, 1224 01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:18,800 broken or wild. 1225 01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:20,439 Speaker 1: So what is it? Is a karmic thing. 1226 01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:21,279 Speaker 2: It's karmic. 1227 01:14:21,479 --> 01:14:23,720 Speaker 1: It just had to constantly karmic. And he does he 1228 01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:24,800 have to clear something for. 1229 01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:27,680 Speaker 2: You to go in And I clear it karmically. Yes, 1230 01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:28,479 I do that. 1231 01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:30,039 Speaker 1: And now next lifetime he's not gonna have to deal 1232 01:14:30,079 --> 01:14:30,279 with that. 1233 01:14:31,319 --> 01:14:35,600 Speaker 3: Correct, correct, And a story about that please. Two women 1234 01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:39,680 up in Canada called me. They said, our brother is 1235 01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:43,640 in New Mexico. He hasn't talked to us in I 1236 01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:47,359 don't know, it was like ten twelve years. And our 1237 01:14:47,399 --> 01:14:49,720 mom is really starting to get worried because he hasn't 1238 01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:53,119 talked to her either. Can you help us out? And 1239 01:14:53,159 --> 01:14:58,199 I went back into the lifetime where the whole family 1240 01:14:58,279 --> 01:15:02,000 had begun, and I told the two like the soul 1241 01:15:02,039 --> 01:15:04,000 group if you will, yeah, as a soul group. And 1242 01:15:04,039 --> 01:15:06,680 I told the two sisters about it, and I told 1243 01:15:06,760 --> 01:15:11,119 them in detail what happened, who each person were, what, 1244 01:15:11,319 --> 01:15:13,079 and then I cleared it karmically. 1245 01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:14,079 Speaker 2: Okay. 1246 01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:17,520 Speaker 3: They called me the next day and they said, you're 1247 01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:18,840 not going to believe what happened. 1248 01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:19,800 Speaker 2: I said, oh, yeah, I am. 1249 01:15:21,279 --> 01:15:25,159 Speaker 3: They called me and said that their brother out of 1250 01:15:25,199 --> 01:15:29,760 the blue called their mother and said, I just had 1251 01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:33,000 to call you. I had the weirdest dream last night, 1252 01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:38,720 and his dream, verbatim, was the past life that I 1253 01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:42,239 had told the girls about and had cleared. 1254 01:15:44,079 --> 01:15:48,199 Speaker 1: There was that was that's powerful. I spoke to somebody 1255 01:15:48,199 --> 01:15:49,800 one day. I forgot who it was, but they were 1256 01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:52,439 telling me about a past life. And then that past 1257 01:15:52,479 --> 01:15:58,800 life they were in Scotland and they were giant, big muscle, 1258 01:15:59,159 --> 01:16:03,640 you know, six seven giant guy with you know, you 1259 01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:05,399 know the axe and all, you know, all that stuff, 1260 01:16:05,399 --> 01:16:09,199 and they were in the battle and he got chopped 1261 01:16:09,239 --> 01:16:12,279 right here with the acts, Well, in this life he's 1262 01:16:12,319 --> 01:16:16,479 had shoulder issues his entire life and they don't understand why. 1263 01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:19,079 They just like they didn't. It's like, Oh, it's Karmick. 1264 01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:22,159 That's what you're dealing with from that other So in 1265 01:16:22,199 --> 01:16:24,560 this lifetime. And I've heard this and I'd love to 1266 01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:27,840 hear your thoughts on it. The body is a representation, 1267 01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:31,479 karmically of where you've been in other areas. So if 1268 01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:34,359 you have a mole and like your back, let's say, 1269 01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:37,720 and it's a big, big mole that easily could have 1270 01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:40,279 been a bullet hole from a former life that you 1271 01:16:40,359 --> 01:16:44,079 got shot in the back. Sometimes it's not painful, but 1272 01:16:44,079 --> 01:16:46,840 it's just there as a reminder. So if you're looking 1273 01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:48,800 at your body and you're like, oh, I've always had 1274 01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:52,760 the kinky or always have this, you know this, this birthmark, 1275 01:16:53,439 --> 01:16:55,039 all that stuff comes from Karmick. 1276 01:16:55,279 --> 01:16:58,640 Speaker 3: Yes, Yes, I did a past life reading for a 1277 01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:03,600 woman who was she's a very successful singer and in 1278 01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:09,239 her last life she was a singer in Singapore and 1279 01:17:10,119 --> 01:17:12,119 I told her the whole thing, you know, we were 1280 01:17:12,119 --> 01:17:16,119 doing a whole past life reading and she got online 1281 01:17:16,359 --> 01:17:21,399 and started looking for herself in that last life. 1282 01:17:21,159 --> 01:17:22,239 Speaker 1: Because it was recent enough. 1283 01:17:22,359 --> 01:17:26,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and she found the picture and the woman 1284 01:17:27,039 --> 01:17:28,119 and it looked. 1285 01:17:28,279 --> 01:17:29,439 Speaker 2: Just like her. 1286 01:17:29,640 --> 01:17:30,279 Speaker 3: Stop it. 1287 01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:31,439 Speaker 2: I'm not kidding. 1288 01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:35,840 Speaker 3: And I've read people who were on the USS Arizona 1289 01:17:36,359 --> 01:17:39,680 when Pearl Harbor got bombed, and they have found them 1290 01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:43,319 of goosebumps, they've found themselves and they look just like 1291 01:17:43,399 --> 01:17:45,079 they look in this lifetime. 1292 01:17:45,159 --> 01:17:48,800 Speaker 1: There has been some online. I've seen some doppelgangers mm 1293 01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:51,399 hmm that you look like past pictures from like the 1294 01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:54,880 eighteen hundreds, and you look like is that Matthew McConaughey, Like, 1295 01:17:55,640 --> 01:17:57,279 is that like the actors who. 1296 01:17:57,239 --> 01:17:59,840 Speaker 2: Just like identical identical? 1297 01:18:00,359 --> 01:18:03,159 Speaker 1: They look like they're just in costume. It's fascinating. 1298 01:18:03,319 --> 01:18:05,359 Speaker 3: It's it's weird, this. 1299 01:18:05,359 --> 01:18:10,000 Speaker 1: Whole, this whole experiment, this whole journey of humanity and 1300 01:18:10,039 --> 01:18:14,159 the soul. It's it's so deep, so vast, and we 1301 01:18:14,239 --> 01:18:17,920 have barely scratched even not even a scratch on the 1302 01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:21,880 surface of everything that's and we're just talking about our 1303 01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:27,960 little planet, our little our little blue marble in the universe. 1304 01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:33,119 And there's so much more universe out there. It's so 1305 01:18:33,199 --> 01:18:34,800 much a waste of space. I always say it's a 1306 01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:37,199 waste of space that there's nothing else out there. I 1307 01:18:37,239 --> 01:18:41,840 wanted to ask you in regards to the indigenous side 1308 01:18:41,880 --> 01:18:46,800 of you, is there any prophecies is that side, if 1309 01:18:47,439 --> 01:18:51,840 it's the left side of this, from your from that 1310 01:18:51,960 --> 01:18:55,159 from that side of you? Is there have you heard 1311 01:18:55,279 --> 01:18:58,199 or have been taught about prophecies about the future, about 1312 01:18:58,520 --> 01:19:00,520 our time periods when like you would talking about the 1313 01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:02,439 fifth we're going into the fifth, We're in the fifth dimenson, 1314 01:19:02,479 --> 01:19:04,600 we're in the middle of it. Because so many people 1315 01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:07,319 are so concerned about what's happening right now in the world, 1316 01:19:07,560 --> 01:19:09,960 and we all feel it, you know. I mean, I've 1317 01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:13,199 been around since the seventies. The world's changed a whole 1318 01:19:13,239 --> 01:19:18,399 lot since then. Every decade was a little bit different vibe. 1319 01:19:18,920 --> 01:19:22,439 In the twenties it's been insane. We came in like 1320 01:19:22,479 --> 01:19:25,359 a rocket with the pandemic, and it's just been every 1321 01:19:25,439 --> 01:19:28,640 year it's just been crazier and crazier. So what do 1322 01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:33,119 you see for humanity currently in the next year or two? 1323 01:19:33,199 --> 01:19:37,319 And is there some more vast prophecy that you can 1324 01:19:37,760 --> 01:19:39,159 share share with us? 1325 01:19:39,920 --> 01:19:42,520 Speaker 2: You know, do you remember the movie Jamungjie? 1326 01:19:42,560 --> 01:19:48,119 Speaker 3: Of course, that's what I hear about the future is 1327 01:19:48,159 --> 01:19:49,680 like these drums going. 1328 01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:53,159 Speaker 1: Gian Rhino is gonna come in a moment. 1329 01:19:54,880 --> 01:19:56,680 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, it's so funny. 1330 01:19:56,800 --> 01:20:00,640 Speaker 1: I will be right back after or a word from 1331 01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:06,159 our sponsor, and now back to the show. 1332 01:20:08,680 --> 01:20:13,800 Speaker 3: I think there's prophecies about. There's all kinds of prophecies. 1333 01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:15,760 Of course, Hope has their prophecies. 1334 01:20:16,920 --> 01:20:19,600 Speaker 1: Do they reap or are they just completely off from 1335 01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:22,560 each other? These are the prophecies. I mean, like you said, 1336 01:20:22,560 --> 01:20:23,560 the Hope, you have their prophecs. 1337 01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:27,039 Speaker 3: Hopies have their prophecy. I was thinking, you know, Christians 1338 01:20:27,079 --> 01:20:33,119 have their prophecy. Different different groups around the planet have prophecies. 1339 01:20:33,880 --> 01:20:39,680 What I see is we live in a phase of humanity. 1340 01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:44,279 So this phase of humanity began when Atlantis fell. Many 1341 01:20:44,359 --> 01:20:50,000 of us incarnated. Towards the end of Atlantis, we came 1342 01:20:50,119 --> 01:20:53,439 and had several lifetimes in Atlantis. Like, oh, let me 1343 01:20:53,479 --> 01:20:56,039 try this out. Okay, I sign me up. I like 1344 01:20:56,119 --> 01:20:57,239 it right. 1345 01:20:58,800 --> 01:21:00,439 Speaker 2: So we have this phase of. 1346 01:21:00,439 --> 01:21:05,159 Speaker 3: Humanity that's now coming to an end. Does it have 1347 01:21:05,279 --> 01:21:06,359 to be catastrophic? 1348 01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:09,760 Speaker 2: No? Is the Earth a part of it? 1349 01:21:10,399 --> 01:21:14,239 Speaker 3: Yes? Does she have to cycle like we do? 1350 01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:15,119 Speaker 1: Yes? 1351 01:21:16,319 --> 01:21:22,840 Speaker 3: Will there be some bigger events yes? Can we handle it, Yes, 1352 01:21:24,279 --> 01:21:30,560 we can handle it. But we're all slightly dialed in 1353 01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:37,319 with so many lifetimes and catastrophic things happening in those lifetimes, 1354 01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:41,359 and many of us having experienced the fall of Atlantis 1355 01:21:41,439 --> 01:21:45,640 or Lumeria that we're kind of bracing ourselves, like, oh God, 1356 01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:49,880 I remember this, I remember this feeling, you know, And 1357 01:21:49,960 --> 01:21:54,319 people are getting really amped up. Interesting, and so I 1358 01:21:54,520 --> 01:22:02,439 feel it's it's the collective. As a collective, it's up 1359 01:22:02,479 --> 01:22:07,079 to us. And one of the elements in our soul body, 1360 01:22:07,239 --> 01:22:13,159 aside from divine love and peace, is hope. And it 1361 01:22:13,279 --> 01:22:17,840 is up to us as a collective to dial into 1362 01:22:17,960 --> 01:22:23,119 that vibration that we carry in our soul body that 1363 01:22:23,239 --> 01:22:27,119 is called hope. And if we keep going down the 1364 01:22:27,159 --> 01:22:31,760 doom and gloom road and we keep watching Independence Day 1365 01:22:31,800 --> 01:22:34,960 and god knows what else we can watch, that sets 1366 01:22:35,039 --> 01:22:39,840 us off on edge. You know that it's all going 1367 01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:42,119 to fall into a rubble and we're going to perish. 1368 01:22:42,760 --> 01:22:50,159 Then we're losing the opportunity to bring hope into our 1369 01:22:50,359 --> 01:22:56,239 children's lives. And it's our kids who need that, you know. 1370 01:22:56,439 --> 01:22:59,000 It's like, God, how long did your parents tell you 1371 01:22:59,479 --> 01:23:00,920 Santa Clau was real? 1372 01:23:01,800 --> 01:23:02,000 Speaker 1: You know? 1373 01:23:02,079 --> 01:23:04,359 Speaker 3: And it was a bummer to find out Santa Claus 1374 01:23:04,439 --> 01:23:04,920 wasn't real? 1375 01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:10,359 Speaker 1: What what? Spoiler spoiler alert everybody, hopefully if there's if 1376 01:23:10,399 --> 01:23:13,760 there's any nine year olds watching, I apology, I apologize. 1377 01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:16,479 She's she's she's making that up. Of course he's real, 1378 01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:18,079 stop it. 1379 01:23:19,640 --> 01:23:22,560 Speaker 3: But our kids really need that help. And there's that 1380 01:23:22,840 --> 01:23:32,000 younger generation right now that is trying desperately to find 1381 01:23:32,279 --> 01:23:39,640 some reason, some semblance as to why it's worth being here. 1382 01:23:40,880 --> 01:23:45,319 And for the parents out there who have children, man, 1383 01:23:45,399 --> 01:23:50,760 this is so important because you know, between iPads and 1384 01:23:50,920 --> 01:23:57,720 phones and computers and TV, we've lost that thread to 1385 01:23:57,920 --> 01:24:01,159 nature and and if we really want to know why 1386 01:24:01,239 --> 01:24:04,920 we're here, we're here because of her, because of the Earth, 1387 01:24:06,479 --> 01:24:09,319 and we're bound to her forever. 1388 01:24:09,439 --> 01:24:10,760 Speaker 2: We are bound to her. 1389 01:24:11,439 --> 01:24:15,199 Speaker 3: She may lose her body, this big, beautiful blue body 1390 01:24:15,279 --> 01:24:19,479 she has, but she'll go and find another planet and reincarnate, 1391 01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:22,800 just like we do as a series. Her cycles are 1392 01:24:23,159 --> 01:24:27,920 millions of years long. Ours are much shorter, but we 1393 01:24:27,960 --> 01:24:30,840 are bound to her. So when she finds another body, 1394 01:24:31,199 --> 01:24:33,800 guess where we're all going. We're going to go to 1395 01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:37,359 her and have new bodies and a new experience. 1396 01:24:38,399 --> 01:24:42,640 Speaker 1: Do you believe that there was a lot of this 1397 01:24:42,760 --> 01:24:45,920 generation the last one hundred and fifty years. The amount 1398 01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:51,079 of technology and advancements that we have gotten dwarf the 1399 01:24:51,119 --> 01:24:56,840 last ten thousand years or so, if not longer. We 1400 01:24:56,920 --> 01:25:00,880 did it so quickly, even within our lifetime. So much 1401 01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:05,159 has changed so fast. Do you believe it's because of that? 1402 01:25:05,159 --> 01:25:08,840 These are incarnated souls from Atlantis, which had advanced technologies, 1403 01:25:09,039 --> 01:25:11,800 which had advanced ideas that came in there, like oh, 1404 01:25:11,960 --> 01:25:13,640 where's the phone. We don't have a phone. All right, 1405 01:25:13,720 --> 01:25:16,000 let's get a phone going. You know, what's what's with 1406 01:25:16,079 --> 01:25:20,039 the horses everywhere? Let's get Henry, Henry come over here. 1407 01:25:20,039 --> 01:25:22,199 Can we get the car thing going? You know what 1408 01:25:22,399 --> 01:25:23,760 kind of does that make sense? 1409 01:25:24,079 --> 01:25:24,920 Speaker 2: It makes sense? 1410 01:25:25,199 --> 01:25:29,520 Speaker 3: And I think to some extent yes, And I am 1411 01:25:29,800 --> 01:25:36,560 a very firm believer that there are extraterrestrials that have 1412 01:25:36,680 --> 01:25:40,880 come in imparted wisdom to certain scientists and people on 1413 01:25:41,279 --> 01:25:41,720 the Earth. 1414 01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:43,560 Speaker 1: And and and when you say and when you say 1415 01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:47,920 extra extraterrestrials, you know a lot of people are like, oh, 1416 01:25:48,079 --> 01:25:50,399 we're going into that world. But that's something that's been 1417 01:25:50,439 --> 01:25:55,439 talked about in native cultures throughout time, the star people. 1418 01:25:56,239 --> 01:25:58,840 It's it's ingrained in the cultures of that and then 1419 01:25:58,880 --> 01:26:02,079 also just going back to the Sumerian tablets of the 1420 01:26:02,159 --> 01:26:05,479 Anonaki that you know, they decided to sit down carve 1421 01:26:05,520 --> 01:26:08,239 out this story. I don't think they were writing fiction 1422 01:26:08,359 --> 01:26:11,079 at the time, at least they I mean, it's you 1423 01:26:11,119 --> 01:26:13,159 know what I mean and all of that kind of stuff. 1424 01:26:13,199 --> 01:26:15,960 So there is a basis for this. It's not just 1425 01:26:16,319 --> 01:26:19,920 tinfoil hat theory. Now, this is a real idea. 1426 01:26:20,199 --> 01:26:22,800 Speaker 3: I went out into the field, you know, we shot 1427 01:26:22,840 --> 01:26:27,159 a documentary called Spirit Traveler, Looking into the Past to 1428 01:26:27,279 --> 01:26:33,279 find a Better Future, right, And we went into Utah 1429 01:26:33,920 --> 01:26:41,079 and hiked way back into the the rocks around Zion 1430 01:26:41,520 --> 01:26:43,520 or no, we were we were by. 1431 01:26:45,560 --> 01:26:45,960 Speaker 2: Bluff. 1432 01:26:47,840 --> 01:26:51,279 Speaker 3: Oh, I can't think of it southern. It's southern Utah. 1433 01:26:51,319 --> 01:26:54,479 So we're up in the rocks and we come to 1434 01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:58,199 a site that Scott pictographs and all kinds of stuff. 1435 01:26:58,279 --> 01:27:02,600 Obviously people had lived there, and there were small red 1436 01:27:02,680 --> 01:27:08,479 handprints on the wall, small all over handprints, and then 1437 01:27:08,920 --> 01:27:14,760 in the middle of it one very large handprint with 1438 01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:23,600 fingers this long and little suction cup tops of the fingers. Yeah, 1439 01:27:23,640 --> 01:27:29,479 and I think that peoples have been visited and infiltrated 1440 01:27:30,039 --> 01:27:34,880 by Star people for a long long time, a long 1441 01:27:34,920 --> 01:27:35,399 long time. 1442 01:27:35,479 --> 01:27:37,600 Speaker 1: I mean it's in every culture around the world. 1443 01:27:37,840 --> 01:27:39,680 Speaker 2: It is in every culture, it is. 1444 01:27:39,960 --> 01:27:47,520 Speaker 3: And we compared Hopie culture and we compared Celtic culture 1445 01:27:48,119 --> 01:27:52,840 and circular things created by those two cultures. So it's 1446 01:27:52,840 --> 01:27:58,319 a really fascinating documentary. But this handprint is like, yeah, 1447 01:27:58,479 --> 01:28:01,439 I mean you can't. I mean, I'm standing in front 1448 01:28:01,439 --> 01:28:03,720 of it, going this is not right. 1449 01:28:04,079 --> 01:28:06,039 Speaker 1: Well, I mean the concept of pyramids being around the 1450 01:28:06,119 --> 01:28:08,880 entire planet and technically should have never been speaking to 1451 01:28:08,960 --> 01:28:11,960 each other, right, you know how the Mayans were building 1452 01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:15,239 pyramids and the Egyptians and the Japanese were and. 1453 01:28:15,159 --> 01:28:18,560 Speaker 3: The giants move. The giants move. When I went to 1454 01:28:18,600 --> 01:28:23,680 Easter Island, they okay, So I went to Easter Island 1455 01:28:24,479 --> 01:28:27,680 and they wanted to show me how the big heads 1456 01:28:27,800 --> 01:28:29,439 on Easter they're really bodies. 1457 01:28:29,720 --> 01:28:31,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, how they got there? They are bodies. Yeah, they 1458 01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:32,560 found that out. 1459 01:28:32,600 --> 01:28:35,960 Speaker 3: Now, Yeah, the giants move. Who I'd met back at 1460 01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:40,399 the Great Pyramid, they showed up. They said, we're going 1461 01:28:40,479 --> 01:28:45,319 to take you where we come from. And we went up, 1462 01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:47,800 just like I did with my guides, up up, up, 1463 01:28:47,880 --> 01:28:51,199 up up, and we were on a planet in the 1464 01:28:51,239 --> 01:28:56,800 Pegasus constellation where they come from. And there were pyramids, 1465 01:28:57,800 --> 01:28:59,840 there were pyramids on this planet. 1466 01:29:00,319 --> 01:29:03,159 Speaker 1: What is about What is about the pyramid that's so powerful? 1467 01:29:03,279 --> 01:29:06,079 Is it the actual sacred geometry of it? 1468 01:29:06,319 --> 01:29:11,039 Speaker 3: Yes, and the fact that it is a uh. 1469 01:29:11,640 --> 01:29:12,680 Speaker 2: It's like a marker. 1470 01:29:13,399 --> 01:29:17,319 Speaker 3: It's like a marker, mile marker, almost a mile for 1471 01:29:17,479 --> 01:29:24,760 where for where that energy is collected and formulated for them. 1472 01:29:25,319 --> 01:29:27,800 Speaker 1: So in other words, it's the sacred energy grade of 1473 01:29:27,800 --> 01:29:28,479 the of the planet. 1474 01:29:28,560 --> 01:29:32,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, and these and they're all on the tropic of you. 1475 01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:34,800 Speaker 1: Read I was about to say that all these pyramids. 1476 01:29:35,079 --> 01:29:38,079 You don't find pyramids down in the deeps of South 1477 01:29:38,119 --> 01:29:41,760 America or in South Africa. You find them all. 1478 01:29:41,560 --> 01:29:43,079 Speaker 2: Around the tropic of Cancer. 1479 01:29:43,199 --> 01:29:44,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's where all of them are. They're all lined 1480 01:29:45,000 --> 01:29:46,359 up around the exact same. 1481 01:29:46,399 --> 01:29:47,560 Speaker 2: That's right area. 1482 01:29:47,640 --> 01:29:49,159 Speaker 1: It's fascinating, it is. 1483 01:29:49,239 --> 01:29:52,439 Speaker 3: But I think the giants smooth are the architects of 1484 01:29:52,479 --> 01:29:58,439 those and I think they've helped humanity many times. Maybe 1485 01:29:58,479 --> 01:29:59,920 they'll come back and help us again. 1486 01:30:01,039 --> 01:30:04,199 Speaker 1: I'm curious of what would happen if they did, Like, 1487 01:30:04,239 --> 01:30:05,359 how would we react to it? 1488 01:30:05,720 --> 01:30:07,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, well there's a lot of things. How 1489 01:30:07,479 --> 01:30:08,239 are we going to react? 1490 01:30:08,399 --> 01:30:10,279 Speaker 1: I mean, if if Jesus came back today, what do 1491 01:30:10,279 --> 01:30:13,800 you think would happen? I mean, like, it's yeah, he 1492 01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:16,560 would not be accepted. I don't think well, I. 1493 01:30:16,479 --> 01:30:19,640 Speaker 3: Think half the half the populace at this point would say, oh, 1494 01:30:19,680 --> 01:30:20,319 that's AI. 1495 01:30:22,520 --> 01:30:25,000 Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor, 1496 01:30:28,640 --> 01:30:33,680 and now back to the show. That's it, that's visual effects. 1497 01:30:33,720 --> 01:30:34,319 That's not real. 1498 01:30:34,520 --> 01:30:35,720 Speaker 2: That's right, that's not real. 1499 01:30:35,760 --> 01:30:38,119 Speaker 1: It's right because we're so we're so cynical. 1500 01:30:38,359 --> 01:30:39,800 Speaker 2: Oh god, we're cynical. 1501 01:30:39,920 --> 01:30:42,239 Speaker 1: We are so cynical. I tell people all. 1502 01:30:42,119 --> 01:30:45,680 Speaker 3: The time that guy standing in front of you could 1503 01:30:45,760 --> 01:30:49,199 be Jesus. It could bite you in the nose and 1504 01:30:49,279 --> 01:30:53,359 you wouldn't know it because you are so disconnected from 1505 01:30:53,399 --> 01:30:54,159 paying attention. 1506 01:30:55,439 --> 01:30:56,439 Speaker 2: We've just were. 1507 01:30:56,399 --> 01:31:03,000 Speaker 3: Desensitized to each other, to to the human contact experience. 1508 01:31:03,760 --> 01:31:09,000 And we're in our phones, we're in our electronics. We're 1509 01:31:09,119 --> 01:31:10,960 starting to float away with AI. 1510 01:31:11,119 --> 01:31:13,760 Speaker 2: Now. I mean, that's happening. 1511 01:31:13,520 --> 01:31:17,159 Speaker 1: Oh very much. So where do you think, sonya, where 1512 01:31:17,159 --> 01:31:20,560 do you think that we're going to go as a species, 1513 01:31:21,159 --> 01:31:25,880 as a collective, Because it seems that anytime that humanity 1514 01:31:25,920 --> 01:31:30,520 has given a new toy, a new technology, we go 1515 01:31:30,640 --> 01:31:33,720 all in on all of it, Jenn. I mean it 1516 01:31:33,720 --> 01:31:36,520 takes a minute accustomed to it, but they really go 1517 01:31:36,640 --> 01:31:42,720 all into it. The idea of social media and the Internet. 1518 01:31:43,000 --> 01:31:45,920 It's a very powerful tool and it makes our lives 1519 01:31:45,960 --> 01:31:50,479 in many ways better. But also, you know, we're more 1520 01:31:50,479 --> 01:31:52,560 connected than we've ever been, but we're lonelier than we've 1521 01:31:52,560 --> 01:31:55,840 ever been. That's right, you know, because you and I 1522 01:31:55,880 --> 01:31:59,039 remember a time prior to the Internet and what the 1523 01:31:59,079 --> 01:32:01,359 life and life was, life was like. You know a 1524 01:32:01,359 --> 01:32:03,239 lot of people have been saying that peak humanity was 1525 01:32:03,239 --> 01:32:06,079 the nineties, Like that's peak humanity was right before the 1526 01:32:06,079 --> 01:32:08,800 Internet came in and people were still talking to each 1527 01:32:08,840 --> 01:32:12,800 other that had social skills. Where do you think, you know, 1528 01:32:12,840 --> 01:32:16,560 with AI, AI is a very interesting concept and idea. 1529 01:32:17,119 --> 01:32:20,439 It is a very powerful tool and only getting more 1530 01:32:20,439 --> 01:32:23,880 powerful on a daily basis actually scary how fast it's growing. 1531 01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:28,119 I mean, it's growing so so fast. I see a 1532 01:32:28,159 --> 01:32:32,000 world where you know, we are in holid decks and 1533 01:32:32,039 --> 01:32:36,159 we're experiencing, we're experiencing things, not even just being in 1534 01:32:36,159 --> 01:32:39,840 a holid deck, interacting, touching. I don't know how that 1535 01:32:39,880 --> 01:32:43,159 technology would work, but I can see I can see 1536 01:32:43,159 --> 01:32:45,399 where that's going. Maybe in our lifetimes. Maybe not in 1537 01:32:45,439 --> 01:32:48,399 our lifetimes, but I see that for humanity. But one 1538 01:32:48,479 --> 01:32:51,439 hundred years from now, I mean, the technology, if we survive, 1539 01:32:52,479 --> 01:32:54,520 if we're all, if we could all just make it 1540 01:32:54,560 --> 01:32:54,960 through this. 1541 01:32:55,600 --> 01:32:57,359 Speaker 3: I just want a Star Trek suit. 1542 01:32:57,920 --> 01:32:58,159 Speaker 1: I know. 1543 01:32:58,520 --> 01:33:00,039 Speaker 3: I'm like, if I had a Star Trek suit, I 1544 01:33:00,039 --> 01:33:04,439 wouldn't have to pack a bag and do all that crap. Yeah, 1545 01:33:04,520 --> 01:33:07,119 you just hit a button and you got your suit on. 1546 01:33:07,520 --> 01:33:09,920 Speaker 1: And the food the little food maker is really nice. 1547 01:33:09,960 --> 01:33:11,840 That's always like I would like a filam and Young Okay, 1548 01:33:11,840 --> 01:33:15,640 thank you, Damus. That's very nice. You know, uh, there's 1549 01:33:15,680 --> 01:33:17,720 a lot of Star Trek was you know, I'm a 1550 01:33:17,880 --> 01:33:19,640 I'm a Star Wars dude, but I do love Star 1551 01:33:19,720 --> 01:33:20,079 Trek Oh. 1552 01:33:20,119 --> 01:33:21,000 Speaker 2: I'm a total treking. 1553 01:33:21,199 --> 01:33:24,000 Speaker 1: I love I do really love Star Treking. And and 1554 01:33:24,039 --> 01:33:27,079 the vision of the future that Jean had geen Ron 1555 01:33:27,119 --> 01:33:32,279 America was so beautiful. It was inclusive, very inclusive. Every 1556 01:33:32,279 --> 01:33:35,800 culture was represented there and and. 1557 01:33:35,199 --> 01:33:39,600 Speaker 3: And it was all about making peace with people and beans. Yeah. 1558 01:33:39,760 --> 01:33:42,119 Speaker 1: Yeah from around it was just such a beautiful thing. 1559 01:33:42,319 --> 01:33:44,800 So my question is where do you think this is 1560 01:33:44,840 --> 01:33:46,920 all going to go? You know, how do you how 1561 01:33:46,920 --> 01:33:49,560 do you have you seen anything if you have. But 1562 01:33:49,760 --> 01:33:52,119 in generally just within the next hundred years, where are 1563 01:33:52,159 --> 01:33:53,039 we going to be. 1564 01:33:54,119 --> 01:33:59,199 Speaker 3: I think we're going to have a complete shift in 1565 01:33:59,439 --> 01:34:05,359 our societ society, how we live, what the parameters are, 1566 01:34:06,439 --> 01:34:10,760 because many people's jobs will be taken by AI, so 1567 01:34:11,000 --> 01:34:14,159 we're going to have to subsidize those people. People are 1568 01:34:14,159 --> 01:34:16,840 going to have to have something to live on, and 1569 01:34:17,000 --> 01:34:19,800 I think we're going to be sort of this combination 1570 01:34:20,199 --> 01:34:26,920 of an organic beginning and a bit of a Star 1571 01:34:27,039 --> 01:34:33,439 Trek kind of environment concept a way of living. I 1572 01:34:33,760 --> 01:34:39,359 don't see anybody perishing. I just see having to be 1573 01:34:39,960 --> 01:34:45,920 flexible to change and grow with what's coming in terms 1574 01:34:45,960 --> 01:34:46,439 of AI. 1575 01:34:47,760 --> 01:34:49,880 Speaker 1: You know, it's really fast. As you're talking about this, 1576 01:34:50,119 --> 01:34:53,199 I was I just projected myself out as a soul 1577 01:34:53,560 --> 01:34:56,840 looking down on the Earth. Yeah, and we're hanging out 1578 01:34:56,880 --> 01:34:59,199 at the coffee shops in Heaven or whatever you'd like 1579 01:34:59,239 --> 01:35:02,760 to call it. We're having coffee, obviously the best coffee ever, 1580 01:35:03,520 --> 01:35:05,800 and we're looking like, Hey, what's going on down on Earth? 1581 01:35:05,880 --> 01:35:08,000 Last time I was there, I was woof, it's pretty 1582 01:35:08,079 --> 01:35:10,960 rough down there. How's it going? And it's five hundred 1583 01:35:11,039 --> 01:35:13,279 years in the future, and I'm just looking at it 1584 01:35:13,279 --> 01:35:16,600 from my own human eyes right now, going, wow, that'd 1585 01:35:16,600 --> 01:35:19,800 be kind of cool. Look at all the cool stuff 1586 01:35:19,800 --> 01:35:22,119 that got going on down there. Oh that's interesting. Well 1587 01:35:22,119 --> 01:35:24,760 where are they spiritually? Oh this would be kind of fun. 1588 01:35:24,960 --> 01:35:28,079 Let me go into that, because we have these kind 1589 01:35:28,119 --> 01:35:29,920 of fantasies of like what would it have been like 1590 01:35:29,960 --> 01:35:33,520 to be in ancient Egypt, or in ancient Rome, or 1591 01:35:33,560 --> 01:35:36,720 in different countries at certain different times of human history, 1592 01:35:37,279 --> 01:35:41,760 you know, in America when America was just really becoming America, 1593 01:35:42,399 --> 01:35:44,680 you know, or Europe when it was becoming Europe, or 1594 01:35:44,720 --> 01:35:46,600 you know, or China when it was becoming China. All 1595 01:35:46,600 --> 01:35:49,920 this kind of stuff. It's fascinating, but it's really cool 1596 01:35:49,920 --> 01:35:52,760 to think about, like, oh, wow, I wouldn't mind. Let 1597 01:35:52,800 --> 01:35:54,359 me just dive in there a little bit and have 1598 01:35:54,439 --> 01:35:57,880 some fun. And the first time I've ever actually thought 1599 01:35:57,920 --> 01:35:59,760 about that in that way that like, well, that's how 1600 01:36:01,359 --> 01:36:04,319 would look at a planet or look at a society 1601 01:36:04,359 --> 01:36:08,600 and go, that's kind of cool. I haven't experienced that before. 1602 01:36:09,239 --> 01:36:11,159 Let me go down there and figure that out and 1603 01:36:11,199 --> 01:36:12,800 feel it is that makes sense? 1604 01:36:13,039 --> 01:36:14,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, it does, it makes sense. 1605 01:36:14,439 --> 01:36:15,560 Speaker 2: But I think. 1606 01:36:17,079 --> 01:36:19,319 Speaker 3: As far as the future goes, I think the wild 1607 01:36:19,439 --> 01:36:25,279 card is the planet. And let's not forget Earth is 1608 01:36:25,399 --> 01:36:30,640 married to the Sun, and the Sun, will you know, 1609 01:36:30,880 --> 01:36:35,479 blast us a good one with solar flares to remind 1610 01:36:35,600 --> 01:36:37,399 us who's in charge. 1611 01:36:38,960 --> 01:36:41,159 Speaker 1: You mean, the world, the universe is us? 1612 01:36:41,640 --> 01:36:45,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, right, right. So I think I think that there's 1613 01:36:45,880 --> 01:36:48,840 some some really good things in the future. 1614 01:36:49,479 --> 01:36:50,600 Speaker 2: But I also. 1615 01:36:51,880 --> 01:36:56,199 Speaker 3: I think it's important that people not be naive to 1616 01:36:56,319 --> 01:37:00,520 the fact that there are cycles. Here. We are agains 1617 01:37:00,960 --> 01:37:04,680 that the Earth has that are going to repeat. They 1618 01:37:04,680 --> 01:37:08,439 will repeat, and we're living on her back. 1619 01:37:08,680 --> 01:37:10,479 Speaker 2: So suck it up. 1620 01:37:15,640 --> 01:37:19,920 Speaker 1: You never hear that term in younger generations. 1621 01:37:21,079 --> 01:37:23,079 Speaker 3: I just generation myself. 1622 01:37:23,319 --> 01:37:26,880 Speaker 1: No, no, and same here, you know, as as a 1623 01:37:26,920 --> 01:37:30,000 gen X or you're like, suck it up, man, Like, 1624 01:37:30,439 --> 01:37:35,359 what's wrong, right? I mean we drank hose water and 1625 01:37:35,399 --> 01:37:38,640 we survived. You know, we had metal We had metal 1626 01:37:38,720 --> 01:37:42,159 slides that gave us third degree burns as we went out, 1627 01:37:42,239 --> 01:37:45,560 all right, monkey bars that went up six stories and 1628 01:37:45,560 --> 01:37:48,600 there was nothing but cement, the pottom, nothing nothing, no 1629 01:37:48,720 --> 01:37:52,199 soft little pieces of wood, no rubbers. Right, boom, you 1630 01:37:52,239 --> 01:37:53,960 broke your leg. Well you won't do that again. Let's 1631 01:37:54,000 --> 01:37:54,319 move on. 1632 01:37:56,600 --> 01:37:59,800 Speaker 3: It's it's we were like a we're like a g. 1633 01:38:00,279 --> 01:38:05,039 We were riding our bike cellar neighborhood and staying out until. 1634 01:38:04,760 --> 01:38:10,039 Speaker 1: Dark and Max totally but when that dark hit though, 1635 01:38:11,199 --> 01:38:14,640 you better be home. Yeah, because there was no cell phones. 1636 01:38:14,680 --> 01:38:16,720 There was no location trackers. 1637 01:38:17,279 --> 01:38:17,680 Speaker 3: I know. 1638 01:38:18,399 --> 01:38:21,560 Speaker 1: You know my kids have my kids, my kids have 1639 01:38:21,960 --> 01:38:24,760 their friends give them their tracking Yeah, do you know that. 1640 01:38:25,439 --> 01:38:26,880 I didn't know that was a new thing. I was like, 1641 01:38:27,000 --> 01:38:28,680 wait a minute, you know where your friend is right now? 1642 01:38:29,039 --> 01:38:31,600 Oh yeah, she's oh yeah, she's at the mall right now. 1643 01:38:31,760 --> 01:38:33,920 Like my other friend's at home right now. I'm like, 1644 01:38:35,119 --> 01:38:38,039 how do you what is because you have to get permission, 1645 01:38:38,439 --> 01:38:39,960 you give them the tram Like yeah, you can let 1646 01:38:40,000 --> 01:38:41,560 me know. You know where I am all the time. 1647 01:38:41,840 --> 01:38:44,279 And like you and I were like both horrified at 1648 01:38:44,279 --> 01:38:45,560 that right now, Like I don't. 1649 01:38:45,600 --> 01:38:49,039 Speaker 3: Know, no, no, no, I was in the woods. That's 1650 01:38:49,079 --> 01:38:50,960 where I want to be. I was hanging out in 1651 01:38:51,000 --> 01:38:53,680 the trees, right I mean, yeah, yeah. 1652 01:38:53,760 --> 01:38:54,439 Speaker 2: Oh my god. 1653 01:38:55,359 --> 01:39:04,560 Speaker 3: The connectivity that we're talking about is so about the Earth, 1654 01:39:04,800 --> 01:39:07,359 you know, and why we came here. And when I 1655 01:39:07,399 --> 01:39:11,479 see people disconnecting from the planet, it's like, no, that's 1656 01:39:11,479 --> 01:39:16,319 why you're here. Go hiking, you know, go walk by 1657 01:39:16,359 --> 01:39:21,760 the lake, go to a river, go experience this planet. 1658 01:39:22,439 --> 01:39:26,079 Speaker 1: So, Sonya, if there's somebody watching now who's really kind 1659 01:39:26,079 --> 01:39:28,399 of feels lost and uncertain about where things are going, 1660 01:39:28,479 --> 01:39:30,920 is there any advice, any words of wisdom that you 1661 01:39:30,960 --> 01:39:33,319 can give them to kind of deal with what's happening. 1662 01:39:33,640 --> 01:39:34,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. 1663 01:39:35,319 --> 01:39:42,399 Speaker 3: First of all, we are at a very important time 1664 01:39:43,720 --> 01:39:47,960 where a lot of things are coming together and we 1665 01:39:48,000 --> 01:39:52,079 can be a part of that coming together by simply 1666 01:39:52,199 --> 01:39:57,239 raising our vibration by sitting down and meditating. That's all 1667 01:39:57,520 --> 01:40:01,159 that's required is sit down and meditate. And if you 1668 01:40:01,199 --> 01:40:03,079 don't have it in you to sit down and meditate, 1669 01:40:03,680 --> 01:40:08,279 watch your favorite movie, watch something funny, laugh out loud, 1670 01:40:08,880 --> 01:40:14,039 bring your energy up, because when you're in a higher frequency, 1671 01:40:14,680 --> 01:40:18,479 all these things that are coming together will be more 1672 01:40:18,600 --> 01:40:24,960 tolerable and will be less scary. And the last piece 1673 01:40:25,319 --> 01:40:30,920 is we must light a fire under our hope. We 1674 01:40:31,039 --> 01:40:36,239 must because as a collective, it is our hope that 1675 01:40:36,359 --> 01:40:42,520 will keep the human species continuing and certainly will help 1676 01:40:42,560 --> 01:40:46,640 our children to usher in a new phase of humanity. 1677 01:40:48,479 --> 01:40:50,960 Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor, 1678 01:40:54,600 --> 01:41:01,760 and now back to the show, and we definitely need that, Sonya. 1679 01:41:01,800 --> 01:41:04,800 Where can people find out more about you, your books, 1680 01:41:04,840 --> 01:41:06,800 your projects, and getting a hold of you. 1681 01:41:07,119 --> 01:41:08,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. 1682 01:41:08,119 --> 01:41:12,840 Speaker 3: My website Sonia s o n Ja Grace g r 1683 01:41:12,960 --> 01:41:19,359 acee dot com. I'm on Instagram, the real Sonya Grace, Facebook, 1684 01:41:19,399 --> 01:41:21,319 you can find me all over the place. But I've 1685 01:41:21,319 --> 01:41:25,199 got tons of books, and as I was telling you 1686 01:41:25,239 --> 01:41:27,880 in the green room, I've got some a feature film 1687 01:41:27,920 --> 01:41:31,760 that's under consideration right now, and I've got a whole 1688 01:41:31,920 --> 01:41:35,159 fiction series that's going to be coming out. And yeah, 1689 01:41:35,199 --> 01:41:36,159 I'm very excited. 1690 01:41:36,520 --> 01:41:39,239 Speaker 1: That's awesome. Yeah, and so do you have any final 1691 01:41:39,239 --> 01:41:40,680 words or messages for the audience. 1692 01:41:42,359 --> 01:41:43,359 Speaker 3: Mind your chakras. 1693 01:41:43,399 --> 01:41:49,199 Speaker 2: No, No, just stay grounded, you know. 1694 01:41:49,479 --> 01:41:52,359 Speaker 3: I mean, I know it's hard to be grounded nowadays, 1695 01:41:52,439 --> 01:41:56,920 and luckily we have things like grounding sheets and PMF 1696 01:41:57,039 --> 01:42:00,119 matts and all these cool things that you can buy. 1697 01:42:00,119 --> 01:42:05,359 But go outside barefoot and stand in the grass, stand 1698 01:42:05,439 --> 01:42:09,000 on the dirt, and get yourself grounded, because it's going 1699 01:42:09,079 --> 01:42:13,079 to help you to manage your life a lot better. 1700 01:42:13,199 --> 01:42:15,640 It's going to lower your stress, it's going to lower 1701 01:42:15,680 --> 01:42:18,319 your blood pressure, and it's going to help you to 1702 01:42:18,560 --> 01:42:23,640 really connect your physical body with the very energy that 1703 01:42:23,720 --> 01:42:27,279 we were meant to connect with that's why we're here 1704 01:42:27,800 --> 01:42:32,279 is because of her. So please go out and ground 1705 01:42:32,359 --> 01:42:37,479 and keep your hope alive, because hope is everything for 1706 01:42:37,600 --> 01:42:39,159 the generations that are coming. 1707 01:42:40,119 --> 01:42:42,359 Speaker 1: So yeah, it has been such a pleasure talking to you, 1708 01:42:42,479 --> 01:42:44,720 and thank you so much for being here, and thank 1709 01:42:44,760 --> 01:42:46,239 you for all the work you're doing to help awaken 1710 01:42:46,279 --> 01:42:47,760 this planet. So I appreciate, thank you. 1711 01:42:48,399 --> 01:42:48,760 Speaker 2: Thanks. 1712 01:42:50,199 --> 01:42:52,000 Speaker 1: I like to thank Sonya so much for coming on 1713 01:42:52,039 --> 01:42:53,520 the show and sharing her knowledge and wisdom with all 1714 01:42:53,560 --> 01:42:54,880 of us. If you want to get links to anything 1715 01:42:54,920 --> 01:42:56,680 we spoke about in this episode, head over to the 1716 01:42:56,680 --> 01:42:59,680 show notes at next level soul dot com Forward slash 1717 01:43:00,119 --> 01:43:04,439 six three seven. Now, if this conversation stirred something in you, 1718 01:43:04,680 --> 01:43:08,279 there's more waiting. You can listen to this episode completely 1719 01:43:08,319 --> 01:43:12,000 commercial free on Next level Soul TV's app where soul 1720 01:43:12,239 --> 01:43:16,520 meets streaming. Watch and listen on Apple iOS, Android, Apple 1721 01:43:16,520 --> 01:43:21,560 TV Rouku, Android TV Buyer, TV LG, and Samsung apps 1722 01:43:21,920 --> 01:43:27,319 anytime anywhere. Begin your awakening at Next levelsoul dot tv. 1723 01:43:28,079 --> 01:43:30,399 Thank you so much for listening. As I always say, 1724 01:43:30,960 --> 01:43:34,760 trust the journey. It's there to teach you. 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