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Speaker 1: Spring is here, Remodeling season is here. It is time. Yes,
Speaker 1: it is to talk about cabinets, a massive, massive subject,
Speaker 1: and we're going to do it all the justice we
Speaker 1: can today for the next three hours, we're talking about cabinets,
Speaker 1: specifically kitchen cabinets, but cabinets in general. And to do it,
Speaker 1: not only do you have me, but undoubtedly the one
Speaker 1: person in Southern California who knows more about cabinets than
Speaker 1: I do, and that is not easy to find. By
Speaker 1: the way, John Cordero from the Kitchen Store is with
Speaker 1: me in studio. He is the coolest guy and he
Speaker 1: is a brilliant, brilliant the cabinet maker and the operator
Speaker 1: of the kitchen store. John, Welcome home, my friend. Good morning. Really,
Speaker 1: hello you, I'm good. I'm good. Are you ready to
Speaker 1: rock and roll on cabinets today?
Speaker 2: Let's do it. Thank you for that great intro. Yeah, well,
Speaker 2: I never never felt as an expert.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Well okay, wait wait, you're a custom cabinet
Speaker 1: maker and you operate a Southern California's Best Cabinet design showroom, sir,
Speaker 1: but you don't consider yourself an expert. Not really.
Speaker 2: I've been doing this for a very long time. I
Speaker 2: grew up since age of twelve. My dad grabbed me,
Speaker 2: took me to install, he taught me the ropes, and
Speaker 2: been doing it ever since.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you just take it for granted. This is what
Speaker 1: you do. It's your trade. Pretty much. That's exactly tell
Speaker 1: you what an expert would say. I just don't see it,
Speaker 1: but I enjoy it. I love it.
Speaker 2: It's basically what I grew up with, and I made
Speaker 2: it my life. I made it my career, and I
Speaker 2: enjoy it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, all right, everybody's gonna glean from that
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Speaker 1: H Sitting in studio with me today for our Big
Speaker 1: Cabinet show. John Cordero from the Kitchen Store, one of
Speaker 1: my favorite guys from one of my favorite vendors in
Speaker 1: all of Southern California, the best kitchen design studio in
Speaker 1: all of Southern California. Uh. And so if again, if
Speaker 1: you live anywhere anywhere in SoCal and you are planning
Speaker 1: on getting cabinets and involved with cabinetry, you have got
Speaker 1: to got to you really should get to the kitchen
Speaker 1: store because you're gonna learn so many things and uh,
Speaker 1: and you're gonna have people there, people who care for you,
Speaker 1: to take you through and help you get where you
Speaker 1: need to go. And that's what we're all looking for, right,
Speaker 1: That's why I am here to help get you through,
Speaker 1: all right, So let's get into it.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: Cabinetry. Cabinets are intense. There's no more intimidating space to
Speaker 1: create than a kitchen or a bathroom in a home.
Speaker 1: And the beating heart of both of them cabinet. So
Speaker 1: many decisions, so many options, so many moving parts, literally
Speaker 1: moving parts. Cabinets have evolved a great deal since they
Speaker 1: started out, and understanding exactly how is critical to making
Speaker 1: the right choices. John, I want to introduce you first
Speaker 1: before I dive into I'm going to give everybody a
Speaker 1: little history of cabinets. Not not from BC no. A
Speaker 1: relevant history, a relevant, relatively recent history, but one that
Speaker 1: hopefully people will find interesting and also, you know, illustrative
Speaker 1: of where we're at. But first of all, John Cordero,
Speaker 1: the Kitchen Store not only a cabinet dealer, but a
Speaker 1: custom cabinet maker. You already said you know your dad
Speaker 1: was a cabinet maker. Still it still is, okay, So
Speaker 1: you just grew right up in it. So that's a
Speaker 1: little bit of your history. I mean, tell tell us
Speaker 1: what else we need to know about you and about
Speaker 1: the kitchen Store. Well, let's see the kitchen store, so
Speaker 1: they could the store.
Speaker 2: Basically, what I've been trying to do is create a
Speaker 2: customer experience. We want when you walk into the store
Speaker 2: to get an experience when you're shopping out for your kitchen.
Speaker 2: Many choices out there, everywhere you go, there's a lot
Speaker 2: of different choices, But when you walk into the kitchen store,
Speaker 2: we want you to remember what you came in there for. Right,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of stuff to play with. I always
Speaker 2: tell the clients go ahead and play everywhere. Open up
Speaker 2: all the drawers, open up the doors, slam the doors,
Speaker 2: slam the drawers. Just you can see, get a good
Speaker 2: feel what you're going to be purchasing. It's an investment.
Speaker 2: It's an investment for your house. So that's the beauty
Speaker 2: of the kitchen store, great showroom, lots of stuff to
Speaker 2: play with. Me personally, I came up from being an installer,
Speaker 2: so I knew how it was to put in your kitchen.
Speaker 2: I knew the stress the clients would go through. Then
Speaker 2: I started fabricating, making cabinets, so I went to the
Speaker 2: cold construction of the cabinets and now I'm in retail.
Speaker 3: So it's a whole new world for me, and I
Speaker 3: love it. Yeah, I love helping people the full spectrum.
Speaker 3: Though you've lived the entire spectrum of cabinets all the
Speaker 3: way through. Yes, surf is awesome, all right.
Speaker 1: So, speaking of the spectrum of cabinets, I don't know
Speaker 1: if a lot of you know where cabinets came from.
Speaker 1: And I'm not talking about furniture cabinets like you know.
Speaker 1: I mean you can find furniture from that's nine years old,
Speaker 1: that technically a freestanding piece of furniture is technically a cabinet.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about functional, utility based kitchen cabinets in the
Speaker 1: United States, It all starts with the Hoosier. You guys
Speaker 1: know what a Hoosier is, Okay, A Hoosier is somebody
Speaker 1: from Indiana. Okay, But a Hoo's your cabinet, right eighteen nineties.
Speaker 1: A lot of people don't realize this about to home design,
Speaker 1: especially here in the States, but it was the only
Speaker 1: in the early nineteen teens and twenties that the even
Speaker 1: the concept of the built in cabinet began growing. All Right,
Speaker 1: So if you've got eighteen nineties house, which is a
Speaker 1: house is that Tina and I have worked on? You know,
Speaker 1: you don't have in those homes. You walk into the kitchen.
Speaker 1: The kitchen's a room, and the kitchen table it's a
Speaker 1: table just sitting in the kitchen, free standing stove, maybe
Speaker 1: a wood stove or a coal stove over there, free
Speaker 1: standing sink over there, and a larger maybe a pantry
Speaker 1: room attached to it. That's the kitchen, lined in tile
Speaker 1: with a big old table in the middle. Okay. Then
Speaker 1: along comes this company, the Sellar's Furniture Company from Elwood, Indiana.
Speaker 1: In the eighteen ninety eight they introduce a piece of
Speaker 1: free standing furniture like no other piece of furniture anybody
Speaker 1: has ever seen. It's a Hoosier cabinet. All right. It
Speaker 1: is a cabinet. It's about four feet wide, it's about
Speaker 1: twenty two inches deep, it's about six feet tall. It
Speaker 1: has a retractable extending countertop that slides out, usually a
Speaker 1: steel porcelain covered countertop that slides out for more workspace available.
Speaker 1: These have built in flower sifters in the upper portion
Speaker 1: of the cabinets they've got. Some of them have tamboor doors.
Speaker 1: A tamboor door is a rolltop door, right, a kind
Speaker 1: of door that rolls, made out of slats of wood
Speaker 1: built in on the inside of the upper doors. Shopping
Speaker 1: list and measurement conversion charts, bread drawers, specialized bread drawers,
Speaker 1: specialized spice rack. Okay, this is a Hoosier And if
Speaker 1: you're still having trouble picturing it, I guarantee you just
Speaker 1: go right now to your computer, look it up on
Speaker 1: your phone. Just just google who's your cabinet, and you'll
Speaker 1: see exactly what I'm talking about. All right? How popular
Speaker 1: were these? What kind of an innovation? This was such
Speaker 1: a useful utility. The seller's company started selling by the
Speaker 1: hundreds and then thousands, and then other furniture companies, specific
Speaker 1: the most famous one, the Hoosier Manufacturing Company of Albany, Indiana,
Speaker 1: got involved. Multiple millions of these cabinets were sold from
Speaker 1: the late eighteen nineties until the early ninth and probably
Speaker 1: about nineteen thirty. And why did they stop being sold
Speaker 1: in nineteen thirty Because the utility of the Hoosier cabinet
Speaker 1: standing in the kitchen. People started figuring out. Builders started
Speaker 1: figuring out, well, heck, we should just start building these
Speaker 1: features into a kitchen right up against the wall, built
Speaker 1: in cabinets with even more counter space, more upper space,
Speaker 1: more storage space. And essentially you look at a Who's
Speaker 1: your cabinet, you'll be able to see, oh, yeah, that
Speaker 1: is the ancestor, that is the progenitor of the modern
Speaker 1: kitchen cabinet in America, the Hoo's your cabinet. It all
Speaker 1: goes back to the turn of the twentieth century. From there,
Speaker 1: lots of exciting adventures happened. We kind of figured out
Speaker 1: there were all sorts of shapes and sizes. Cabinets were
Speaker 1: not uniform. They changed from house to house. There was
Speaker 1: no standards anywhere. Then we get into the late thirties,
Speaker 1: the early forties, and World War two hits and after
Speaker 1: the war, the building boom, the track building boom across
Speaker 1: the United States begged for some kind of uniformity, and
Speaker 1: so standards were set up, and I'll talk to you
Speaker 1: a little bit about that when we come back. How
Speaker 1: did we arrive at thirty six inches for a standard countertop? Okay,
Speaker 1: how did we arrive at twenty four inch depths and
Speaker 1: twelve inch deep uppers? And the general configuration that you
Speaker 1: understand is a kitchen cabinet, and the various forms of
Speaker 1: kitchen cabinets face frame cabinets, which of course were the
Speaker 1: standard for American cabinets at the beginning, but out of
Speaker 1: Europe after World War Two came this frameless what we
Speaker 1: call euro style. Now we call it full access, because
Speaker 1: frameless means something's missing. I think we'd let go of
Speaker 1: that marketing thing because it sounds like it's less than
Speaker 1: But so now we call them full access cabinets. But
Speaker 1: they are a kind of cabinet that doesn't have a
Speaker 1: face frame. And there's a reason for that that has
Speaker 1: everything to do with World War two as well. We're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about all of this and then we're gonna
Speaker 1: get into the anatomy of cabinets so that you understand
Speaker 1: it better. We'll run through that today. Plus John is
Speaker 1: gonna from his vast experience share what you as a
Speaker 1: homeowner should be looking for, should be wary of what
Speaker 1: you are likely going to get stuck on, and need
Speaker 1: to move through everything cabinet related, and we will continue.
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Speaker 1: We're talking kitchen cabinets today with my special in studio guest,
Speaker 1: John Cordero from the Kitchen Store. We're going to die
Speaker 1: back down into that in just a second. But when
Speaker 1: it comes to calls, you get to set the agenda.
Speaker 1: Anything anything about your home outside, inside, landscape, hardscape, architecture,
Speaker 1: you want to talk froofy, architectural theory, totally fine with me.
Speaker 1: We can talk about it all day long. Do you
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Speaker 1: can help you with that too, and everything in between
Speaker 1: those two extremes. All right, the full spectrum, that's what
Speaker 1: I'm here for. All right, let's dive back in, John
Speaker 1: to I promised everybody I was going to talk a
Speaker 1: little bit more about the history of cabinet, just setting
Speaker 1: it all up here. So we talked about the Hoosier
Speaker 1: cabinet being the really the first true American kitchen cabinet.
Speaker 1: It was a piece of furniture technically and then, but
Speaker 1: it was such a utilitarian device that builders started building
Speaker 1: those kinds of cabinets into the kitchen room and really
Speaker 1: turning it into taking on the shape of what we
Speaker 1: understand as the modern kitchen is today. And then another
Speaker 1: big change came World War two. World War two hit
Speaker 1: and after the war, post war, there was this massive
Speaker 1: tracked building boom across the United States. I mean literally
Speaker 1: millions of homes being built and built in kitchen cabinets
Speaker 1: were the thing. They were the thing, and that's when
Speaker 1: it really really took off, and not just the typical
Speaker 1: face frame American style cabinet, a cabinet that has, in
Speaker 1: addition to the box construction, there is a hardwood face
Speaker 1: frame on the front that the doors and drawers are
Speaker 1: actually hung off of and operating through. But out of
Speaker 1: Europe came what we now call the full access cabinet.
Speaker 1: At the when we were first introduced to it was
Speaker 1: frameless or euro style cabinetry, and that is a kind
Speaker 1: of cabinet that doesn't have a face frame. It has
Speaker 1: full overlay doors and drawers so that they all touch
Speaker 1: each other and you never see the frame if it
Speaker 1: was there anyway. And the reason for that was very
Speaker 1: simply that Europe was going through a building boom because
Speaker 1: they were rebuilding, rebuilding a Europe that was bombed out,
Speaker 1: you know, had completely been devastated by the war. Lumber
Speaker 1: shortage is everywhere. And some brilliant person whose name I
Speaker 1: cannot recall at the time, some brilliant person said, hey,
Speaker 1: we could save on lumber with cabinetry if we could
Speaker 1: just redesign the cabinets in a way where we can
Speaker 1: attach the doors and the drawers directly to the cabinet boxes.
Speaker 1: Let the doors and the drawers be the whole show
Speaker 1: up front, and we wouldn't have to build that face
Speaker 1: frame on the front. We could save a lot of lumber.
Speaker 1: And so, because of the lumber crisis, the lumber shortage
Speaker 1: post World War Two, the frameless, full access eurostyle cabinet
Speaker 1: was born. And then what about the standards, Well, that
Speaker 1: was mostly an American thing, the standards of like, well,
Speaker 1: why exactly is a standard American cabinet thirty six inch
Speaker 1: countertop height? Why is it thirty six inches? Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: it was a study conducted at the University of Illinois
Speaker 1: in the nineteen forties based on the average height I'm
Speaker 1: sorry to say of women at the time, because it
Speaker 1: was like who's going to be in the kitchen. Women,
Speaker 1: women will be in the kitchen. I know, John, right,
Speaker 1: it's like right, it's just like that does not that
Speaker 1: does not work with today's world. But I'm just telling
Speaker 1: this is the truth. I'm not rewriting history here. Study
Speaker 1: University of Illinois, nineteen forties. The average height of women
Speaker 1: at the time five foot three inches average height of
Speaker 1: the American woman, and therefore it was concluded that thirty
Speaker 1: six inches was an optimal countertop height for the average
Speaker 1: American woman. The current average height of American women, by
Speaker 1: the way, five foot five But you know American women
Speaker 1: are growing taller. But the point is this, that doesn't
Speaker 1: matter anymore. Men are in the kitchen, women are in
Speaker 1: the kitchen. Nobody's in the kitchen. Who you know, everybody's
Speaker 1: in the kitchen. It doesn't matter now what is most
Speaker 1: important And this is going to lead to another conversation
Speaker 1: I hope later in the show, but I want everybody
Speaker 1: to listen to me right now. It is now understood.
Speaker 1: Like if you ask the American Culinary Institute what is
Speaker 1: the optimal countertop height, they are not going to tell
Speaker 1: you thirty six or they're not going to give you
Speaker 1: a fixed number. They are going to tell you that
Speaker 1: the optimal counter height for culinary prep work is a
Speaker 1: human being standing upright, comfortably, fully upright, bend your elbows
Speaker 1: at ninety degrees and measure three to four inches below
Speaker 1: your bent elbow. Three to four inches below a ninety
Speaker 1: degree bent elbow while you are comfortably standing upright is
Speaker 1: your optimal countertop height for spending the day in the kitchen. Okay,
Speaker 1: which is why, as a designer of homes and kitchens,
Speaker 1: I have in for many years now encouraged our clients
Speaker 1: mix it up a little bit. Okay, you can put
Speaker 1: you could have you can have a kitchen with multiple
Speaker 1: countertop heights. Okay, you can have your standard thirty six
Speaker 1: and we've got standard thirty six inch counters in our
Speaker 1: kitchen where the sink is and you know where most
Speaker 1: everybody goes and stuff our island, though in the center
Speaker 1: where I do most of my cooking and prep work
Speaker 1: is forty two inches because I'm six three, and that
Speaker 1: actually is not it's a little bit more than four
Speaker 1: inches below my elbow. But Tina is not six', three,
Speaker 1: Okay and so that's a good compromise between the two of.
Speaker 1: Us it's a little higher than, normal so That i'm
Speaker 1: comfortable all. Day it's a little higher than. Normal she's
Speaker 1: totally comfortable with. It and that's where we do all
Speaker 1: of our prep. Work and, now for the first time
Speaker 1: in my, life because of this kitchen, ISLAND i can
Speaker 1: stand in the kitchen all day AND i get that
Speaker 1: little ache in my back from bending over that little
Speaker 1: few degrees that just just kills. You so that's. It
Speaker 1: and and if you do a lot of, baking do
Speaker 1: a lot of, baking then the opposite is. True the
Speaker 1: optimal countertop HiPE for baking is actually like a regular
Speaker 1: table height of thirty. Inches and the reason is if
Speaker 1: you're kneading, dough you want that countertop lower so that
Speaker 1: you're getting your locked arms leaning over right and you
Speaker 1: don't have to use your muscles as. Much you can
Speaker 1: just use your body weight and knead that dough and
Speaker 1: roll it. Out so you're a, baker you're looking for
Speaker 1: thirty inch. Counters everybody universally kind of going for the thirty.
Speaker 1: Six if you're, taller you want to go for something
Speaker 1: like forty to forty. Two sky's the. Limit these, days
Speaker 1: you can have the kitchen cabinets that you, want but
Speaker 1: that gives you some perspective of where this all comes. From,
Speaker 1: okay that's funny how you mentioned forty two.
Speaker 2: Inches that's bartip pipe bar top HiPE thirty inches typical.
Speaker 1: Desk exactly exactly Two when you think about, bartender who's
Speaker 1: just working it all day, long, right forty two inches
Speaker 1: it's great bar top, height but it's it's it's my
Speaker 1: island prep hith for. Me just it just works, perfect all,
Speaker 1: right y'all when we come, back we will. THEN i
Speaker 1: think it's Time john to start kind of pulling apart
Speaker 1: the anatomy of, cabinets especially when it comes to, boxes
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of different materials that cabinet boxes
Speaker 1: can be made of that people should be very wary. Of,
Speaker 1: yes and there's one material that they should be demanding almost,
Speaker 1: always right when it comes to cabinet, boxes and we'll
Speaker 1: talk about. That don't go. Anywhere you are about to
Speaker 1: learn everything you need to know about your kitchen. Cabinets
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Speaker 1: in studio with my in studio, Guest John cordero from
Speaker 1: The Kitchen. Store we are talking all things kitchen. Cabinetry.
Speaker 1: Today we've given you a history of, cabinets, including, uh you,
Speaker 1: know tidbits about countertop heights and things that you can.
Speaker 1: DO i want to get into the anatomy of a, Cabinet,
Speaker 1: john h can you break down for everybody kind of
Speaker 1: what you? Know what is A cabinets are a composite
Speaker 1: of many different, things, Uh and so just give us
Speaker 1: an overall an overview of a cabinet box or you,
Speaker 1: know a cabinet. Unit so typically cabinet.
Speaker 2: Boxes you got your plywood, box which is basically the
Speaker 2: carcass of your. Cabinet right then they're either way in the,
Speaker 2: front either if you're doing a full, access you're either
Speaker 2: going to have an edge, tape depending on the color
Speaker 2: you're doing.
Speaker 1: Edge, tape meaning that if it's a full, access it
Speaker 1: doesn't have a, Frame and so we put like a
Speaker 1: veneer tape on the front of the box. Itself, Okay
Speaker 1: so or you could do a.
Speaker 2: Frame you could do a, frame a solid, frame always,
Speaker 2: good looks. Great and then you got your, doors you
Speaker 2: got your, hinges you got your drawer. Boxes drawer boxes
Speaker 2: come in either, dovetail plywood, boxes melamine. Boxes and you
Speaker 2: got your, runners your, slides your, hinges and don't forget your,
Speaker 2: hardware your.
Speaker 1: Handles then that's a. CABINET i mean that's a. Cabinet
Speaker 1: and between all of those things there are so many
Speaker 1: combinations of, things so many.
Speaker 2: Configurations, configurations accessories which you could put inside of. Them
Speaker 2: fun things you could do with, them automatic trash can.
Speaker 2: OPENERS i got a one fact for, you all, Right i'm.
Speaker 2: Ready you were mentioning full, access how it came From. Europe,
Speaker 2: yes you forgot to mention that the reason they created
Speaker 2: those cabinets, too was so they could take them with.
Speaker 2: Them so once they that's so true with.
Speaker 1: Them, yeah you know that is a that is an
Speaker 1: absolutely true fact and that is still to this day
Speaker 1: a difference in the way That europeans move than, uh
Speaker 1: than the way we operate. Here right. Uh the idea
Speaker 1: that that that those cabinets can come with, You you
Speaker 1: know that laminate floors Like pergo which was A Swedish
Speaker 1: swiss Or Sweetish, swedish they got popular. Here but to
Speaker 1: realize that the whole idea of a Wood i'm using
Speaker 1: my air quotes wood, floor a floating, floor that's like.
Speaker 1: Carpeting right In, europe when you, move you would disassemble
Speaker 1: that click clock for and take it with. You you
Speaker 1: just bring your flooring to the next. House people In
Speaker 1: europe they they pull their, Toilets they they they pull
Speaker 1: all of their fixtures and the and move them to
Speaker 1: the next. Place so it's not it's not like here
Speaker 1: where we leave everything behind and we go find out
Speaker 1: what toilets have been purchased for us at the new. House,
Speaker 1: right and cabinets. Included that was a big part of.
Speaker 1: IT i think that's a big thing In.
Speaker 2: GERMANY i think In germany you have to take your
Speaker 2: cabinets when you move, out like it's required by. Law,
Speaker 2: like once you, move you take your cabinets with you
Speaker 2: because a new family coming in has to put in
Speaker 2: their own.
Speaker 1: Cabinets that's just that's so bizarre to us. Here, yes
Speaker 1: that's so. Weird, yeah that is so. Weird uh but,
Speaker 1: yeah and and therefore the idea of the of a no,
Speaker 1: frame because a frame unifies all those, boxes right the face,
Speaker 1: frame you, know could could could stretch across multiple boxes
Speaker 1: and make that whole. Hassle so the idea of the
Speaker 1: frameless that every box could be unscrewed from the next
Speaker 1: box and all those units could be broken down and
Speaker 1: popped into THE i don't, know moving, truck train cart, whatever,
Speaker 1: yeah whatever they use over. There all, Right, so uh
Speaker 1: so you gave us an outline of the anatomy of
Speaker 1: a basic, cabinet kind of three basic categories of, cabinets,
Speaker 1: Right you got base, cabinets which, again like we, said
Speaker 1: are typically not absolutely but typically twenty four inches, deep
Speaker 1: thirty six inches, tall thirty six inches with thirty four
Speaker 1: and a half inches tall the cabinet. Itself, okay plus
Speaker 1: we're going to put a subtop on top of that
Speaker 1: cabinet and another piece of stone or tie or, whatever
Speaker 1: so the cabinet itself is thirty four and a half inches,
Speaker 1: tall and then we allow for an inch and a
Speaker 1: half of countertop material to typically go. There that brings
Speaker 1: us to thirty six inches in the, finish so twenty
Speaker 1: four inches, deep various, widths all sorts of. Configurations then
Speaker 1: you've got wall cabinets or upper, cabinets. Right the uppers
Speaker 1: that hang up above those typically twelve inches, deep various
Speaker 1: widths and, configurations either thirty six more often these days
Speaker 1: we go for forty two inch tall standard uppers because
Speaker 1: that accommodates that gives you a full cabinet all the
Speaker 1: way up to the top of an eight foot. Ceiling.
Speaker 1: Uh and then uh and then you've got your full height,
Speaker 1: cabinets floor two ceiling, cabinets the things that hold the
Speaker 1: double ovens and the pantries and and all of those
Speaker 1: are your basic kind of super basic working. Configurations right?
Speaker 1: Much DID i DID i skip anything? There? NO i
Speaker 1: think you got everything all?
Speaker 4: Right all?
Speaker 1: Right and as we're talking about bathroom, cabinets oh, yeah
Speaker 1: there you, go there you. Go bathroom cabinets are a
Speaker 1: little different, Animal, Okay, uh SO i want it when
Speaker 1: we when we returned to this. CONVERSATION i want to
Speaker 1: talk about the kinds of materials that those things are
Speaker 1: made out of and the things that you. Love you
Speaker 1: AND i were having a conversation during the break that,
Speaker 1: like for, instance plywood, boxes all plywood for the actual
Speaker 1: cabinet carcass box is a safe bet all. Around american
Speaker 1: manu factors lean that way for their high end, stuff
Speaker 1: and we've leaned away traditionally from particle board because particle
Speaker 1: board has been in the past very disappointing in a
Speaker 1: lot of different. Ways it's been typically the indicator of cheaper.
Speaker 1: CABINETS bu that may be changing, now, yeah a little
Speaker 1: bit changing in some. Ways in some, ways in some
Speaker 1: instances changing particle board may actually step ahead of plywood
Speaker 1: in some. APPLICATIONS i know that makes it, confusing but
Speaker 1: we're just telling you that's the. Truth so we're all
Speaker 1: going to learn some things this morning when we come, back.
Speaker 1: Though you know, what Maybe i'll rest my brain here
Speaker 1: and take a couple of. Calls how's that sound all?
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