WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.480 --> 00:00:04.040 KFI AM six forty. You're listening to Dean Sharp The 2 00:00:04.080 --> 00:00:10.679 House Whisper on demand on the iHeartRadio app. Hey, welcome home. 3 00:00:11.240 --> 00:00:15.359 I am Dean Sharp the House Whisper. I design custom homes, 4 00:00:15.359 --> 00:00:18.640 I build custom homes, and on the weekends and right 5 00:00:18.679 --> 00:00:21.719 now live, I am your guide to better understanding that 6 00:00:21.920 --> 00:00:25.160 place where you live. Thanks for joining us. We are 7 00:00:25.239 --> 00:00:29.359 broadcasting live from Southern California right here nine a m. 8 00:00:29.800 --> 00:00:34.200 Pacific Standard time today on the show, it's a great show. 9 00:00:34.640 --> 00:00:38.920 Spring is here, Remodeling season is here. It is time. Yes, 10 00:00:38.960 --> 00:00:43.960 it is to talk about cabinets, a massive, massive subject, 11 00:00:44.000 --> 00:00:46.159 and we're going to do it all the justice we 12 00:00:46.280 --> 00:00:49.479 can today for the next three hours, we're talking about cabinets, 13 00:00:49.520 --> 00:00:53.759 specifically kitchen cabinets, but cabinets in general. And to do it, 14 00:00:54.240 --> 00:00:58.039 not only do you have me, but undoubtedly the one 15 00:00:58.079 --> 00:01:02.320 person in Southern California who knows more about cabinets than 16 00:01:02.359 --> 00:01:04.480 I do, and that is not easy to find. By 17 00:01:04.560 --> 00:01:07.959 the way, John Cordero from the Kitchen Store is with 18 00:01:08.159 --> 00:01:12.920 me in studio. He is the coolest guy and he 19 00:01:13.239 --> 00:01:18.040 is a brilliant, brilliant the cabinet maker and the operator 20 00:01:18.040 --> 00:01:22.000 of the kitchen store. John, Welcome home, my friend. Good morning. Really, 21 00:01:22.000 --> 00:01:24.719 hello you, I'm good. I'm good. Are you ready to 22 00:01:25.000 --> 00:01:26.599 rock and roll on cabinets today? 23 00:01:26.719 --> 00:01:29.200 Let's do it. Thank you for that great intro. Yeah, well, 24 00:01:29.280 --> 00:01:31.000 I never never felt as an expert. 25 00:01:31.319 --> 00:01:34.480 Thank you. Well okay, wait wait, you're a custom cabinet 26 00:01:34.480 --> 00:01:41.640 maker and you operate a Southern California's Best Cabinet design showroom, sir, 27 00:01:41.719 --> 00:01:44.319 but you don't consider yourself an expert. Not really. 28 00:01:44.519 --> 00:01:46.719 I've been doing this for a very long time. I 29 00:01:46.760 --> 00:01:50.319 grew up since age of twelve. My dad grabbed me, 30 00:01:50.480 --> 00:01:53.359 took me to install, he taught me the ropes, and 31 00:01:53.840 --> 00:01:55.000 been doing it ever since. 32 00:01:55.239 --> 00:01:57.760 Yeah, you just take it for granted. This is what 33 00:01:57.840 --> 00:02:00.120 you do. It's your trade. Pretty much. That's exactly tell 34 00:02:00.159 --> 00:02:04.079 you what an expert would say. I just don't see it, 35 00:02:04.159 --> 00:02:05.799 but I enjoy it. I love it. 36 00:02:05.799 --> 00:02:08.360 It's basically what I grew up with, and I made 37 00:02:08.360 --> 00:02:10.000 it my life. I made it my career, and I 38 00:02:10.120 --> 00:02:10.560 enjoy it. 39 00:02:10.680 --> 00:02:14.439 Yeah, yeah, okay, all right, everybody's gonna glean from that 40 00:02:14.599 --> 00:02:17.759 humble expertise of yours throughout the show, and of course 41 00:02:17.879 --> 00:02:21.520 we're gonna take calls. Your calls and as we do. 42 00:02:22.439 --> 00:02:25.800 You know when it comes to calls, we're talking cabinets today. 43 00:02:25.879 --> 00:02:28.080 Of course you can call us about cabinet questions, but 44 00:02:28.159 --> 00:02:31.919 you can always call me about anything at all. The 45 00:02:32.000 --> 00:02:34.120 number to reach me and the phone lines are open now. 46 00:02:34.159 --> 00:02:39.000 Producer Richie is standing by. Golden Mike winning producer Richie Quintaro, 47 00:02:39.120 --> 00:02:43.000 by the way, standing by. Uh. The number to reach 48 00:02:43.039 --> 00:02:47.360 me eight three three two Ask Dean A three three. 49 00:02:47.560 --> 00:02:52.520 The numeral to ask Dean A three three to ask Dean. 50 00:02:53.000 --> 00:02:55.120 It makes sense right to ask Dean. That's why you're 51 00:02:55.120 --> 00:02:58.599 calling to ask Dean A three three to ask Dean. Uh, 52 00:02:58.919 --> 00:03:01.520 what are we serving up for you? As always, follow 53 00:03:01.599 --> 00:03:03.759 us on social media. We only do the good kind 54 00:03:03.759 --> 00:03:09.599 of social media, uplifting, informative, inspiring social media. We're on Instagram, TikTok, 55 00:03:09.680 --> 00:03:13.199 Facebook x, all the usual suspects. Home with Dean is 56 00:03:13.240 --> 00:03:15.840 the handle for them all. And if your home is 57 00:03:15.879 --> 00:03:19.479 in need of some personal house whisper attention, you can 58 00:03:19.520 --> 00:03:22.599 always book an in home design consult with me and 59 00:03:22.639 --> 00:03:27.599 the tea. Just go to house Whisperer dot design, house 60 00:03:27.599 --> 00:03:30.840 Whisperer dot Design. All right, let me introduce our awesome 61 00:03:30.960 --> 00:03:35.039 team Elmer is on the board. Good morning, Elmer, Good 62 00:03:35.039 --> 00:03:40.360 morning Dean. Hey he's going, bro, how's it happening. Oh 63 00:03:40.599 --> 00:03:45.919 it's good. I'm hydrated and I'm awake. I was gonna 64 00:03:45.919 --> 00:03:47.360 ask you, did you get the water? Did you get 65 00:03:47.400 --> 00:03:49.240 the water that you needed? Did you get the water? 66 00:03:49.280 --> 00:03:52.680 I'm so all right, Stay hydrated, my friend, Stay hydrated. 67 00:03:53.120 --> 00:03:56.000 It's like, you know, seventy two degrees out there. It's easy. 68 00:03:56.080 --> 00:04:01.159 It's easy to get the hydrate. No, it's not just drink. 69 00:04:01.960 --> 00:04:04.719 Producer Richie, like I said, is standing by. Oh he's 70 00:04:04.719 --> 00:04:09.080 already taking calls. There you go. So no, nowhere near Mike. 71 00:04:09.120 --> 00:04:11.639 But Richie is with us as always. And my buddy 72 00:04:11.680 --> 00:04:16.000 Eileen Gonzalez is at the news desk. Good morning, Dean. 73 00:04:16.120 --> 00:04:18.959 How's it going. It's going good. How are you this 74 00:04:19.079 --> 00:04:22.319 fine Sunday morning. I'm obviously not as hydrated as the 75 00:04:22.360 --> 00:04:25.399 rest of you guys, but I'm going to work on it. Well, 76 00:04:25.480 --> 00:04:29.399 did you get checked with with Elmer? Because he's he 77 00:04:29.399 --> 00:04:32.360 he's hydrated. I need to find some water that I'm 78 00:04:32.360 --> 00:04:34.879 so picky about water. Tina is here with a picture 79 00:04:34.920 --> 00:04:39.720 of water as well. What's with the hydration today? All right? 80 00:04:39.920 --> 00:04:40.040 Uh? 81 00:04:40.240 --> 00:04:42.399 And sitting across the table from me. Well, sitting across 82 00:04:42.439 --> 00:04:44.639 the table from me is a John Cordero from the 83 00:04:44.720 --> 00:04:46.800 Kitchen Store. But standing next to me right now, my 84 00:04:46.879 --> 00:04:51.120 better half, my design partner, my best friend in all 85 00:04:51.199 --> 00:04:59.000 the world. Tina is here. Welcome home. You're you know, 86 00:04:59.399 --> 00:05:03.399 the only person. You're the only radio voice I know 87 00:05:03.560 --> 00:05:10.160 that has their own animal sound introduction. Tina loves elephants. 88 00:05:10.480 --> 00:05:15.319 It's her favorite animal. And I always wonder though, if 89 00:05:15.319 --> 00:05:19.800 people to ever take that the wrong way, like, you know, elephant, 90 00:05:19.959 --> 00:05:23.319 like you're a tiny little thing. Just just know that 91 00:05:23.360 --> 00:05:25.480 Tina is a tiny little thing. She just loves elephants. 92 00:05:25.720 --> 00:05:30.800 It's not like, oh, here comes Tina. It's not that 93 00:05:32.319 --> 00:05:36.800 I think everybody knows why. It's a great memory. Evans 94 00:05:36.839 --> 00:05:39.759 don't forget anything. They don't. Oh believe me, they don't. 95 00:05:40.560 --> 00:05:45.839 They don't forget anything good or bad. That's true. All right. 96 00:05:46.000 --> 00:05:49.079 I've got to keep myself, you know, in line around here. 97 00:05:50.279 --> 00:05:53.560 You're listening to Home with Dean Sharp on demand from 98 00:05:53.680 --> 00:05:55.480 KFI AM six forty. 99 00:05:56.920 --> 00:05:59.519 H Sitting in studio with me today for our Big 100 00:05:59.560 --> 00:06:03.480 Cabinet show. John Cordero from the Kitchen Store, one of 101 00:06:03.480 --> 00:06:07.560 my favorite guys from one of my favorite vendors in 102 00:06:07.639 --> 00:06:12.079 all of Southern California, the best kitchen design studio in 103 00:06:12.240 --> 00:06:17.319 all of Southern California. Uh. And so if again, if 104 00:06:17.399 --> 00:06:23.920 you live anywhere anywhere in SoCal and you are planning 105 00:06:24.079 --> 00:06:28.639 on getting cabinets and involved with cabinetry, you have got 106 00:06:28.720 --> 00:06:31.920 to got to you really should get to the kitchen 107 00:06:31.920 --> 00:06:36.360 store because you're gonna learn so many things and uh, 108 00:06:36.560 --> 00:06:39.519 and you're gonna have people there, people who care for you, 109 00:06:39.720 --> 00:06:42.279 to take you through and help you get where you 110 00:06:42.319 --> 00:06:44.160 need to go. And that's what we're all looking for, right, 111 00:06:44.439 --> 00:06:47.199 That's why I am here to help get you through, 112 00:06:47.279 --> 00:06:48.519 all right, So let's get into it. 113 00:06:49.160 --> 00:06:49.279 Uh. 114 00:06:49.720 --> 00:06:53.319 Cabinetry. Cabinets are intense. There's no more intimidating space to 115 00:06:53.439 --> 00:06:56.839 create than a kitchen or a bathroom in a home. 116 00:06:57.160 --> 00:07:00.560 And the beating heart of both of them cabinet. So 117 00:07:00.680 --> 00:07:05.040 many decisions, so many options, so many moving parts, literally 118 00:07:05.160 --> 00:07:09.199 moving parts. Cabinets have evolved a great deal since they 119 00:07:09.360 --> 00:07:14.279 started out, and understanding exactly how is critical to making 120 00:07:14.800 --> 00:07:18.839 the right choices. John, I want to introduce you first 121 00:07:18.879 --> 00:07:20.800 before I dive into I'm going to give everybody a 122 00:07:20.800 --> 00:07:25.079 little history of cabinets. Not not from BC no. A 123 00:07:25.199 --> 00:07:30.000 relevant history, a relevant, relatively recent history, but one that 124 00:07:30.360 --> 00:07:34.959 hopefully people will find interesting and also, you know, illustrative 125 00:07:35.000 --> 00:07:37.879 of where we're at. But first of all, John Cordero, 126 00:07:38.279 --> 00:07:41.360 the Kitchen Store not only a cabinet dealer, but a 127 00:07:41.399 --> 00:07:44.720 custom cabinet maker. You already said you know your dad 128 00:07:44.839 --> 00:07:48.439 was a cabinet maker. Still it still is, okay, So 129 00:07:48.560 --> 00:07:50.600 you just grew right up in it. So that's a 130 00:07:50.639 --> 00:07:53.959 little bit of your history. I mean, tell tell us 131 00:07:54.000 --> 00:07:56.160 what else we need to know about you and about 132 00:07:56.199 --> 00:07:59.160 the kitchen Store. Well, let's see the kitchen store, so 133 00:07:59.680 --> 00:08:00.399 they could the store. 134 00:08:00.399 --> 00:08:03.560 Basically, what I've been trying to do is create a 135 00:08:03.600 --> 00:08:06.600 customer experience. We want when you walk into the store 136 00:08:06.680 --> 00:08:10.079 to get an experience when you're shopping out for your kitchen. 137 00:08:10.480 --> 00:08:13.040 Many choices out there, everywhere you go, there's a lot 138 00:08:13.079 --> 00:08:15.240 of different choices, But when you walk into the kitchen store, 139 00:08:15.240 --> 00:08:18.360 we want you to remember what you came in there for. Right, 140 00:08:18.759 --> 00:08:20.279 there's a lot of stuff to play with. I always 141 00:08:20.319 --> 00:08:22.639 tell the clients go ahead and play everywhere. Open up 142 00:08:22.639 --> 00:08:25.480 all the drawers, open up the doors, slam the doors, 143 00:08:25.519 --> 00:08:27.600 slam the drawers. Just you can see, get a good 144 00:08:27.639 --> 00:08:30.519 feel what you're going to be purchasing. It's an investment. 145 00:08:30.720 --> 00:08:34.480 It's an investment for your house. So that's the beauty 146 00:08:34.519 --> 00:08:37.480 of the kitchen store, great showroom, lots of stuff to 147 00:08:37.519 --> 00:08:41.399 play with. Me personally, I came up from being an installer, 148 00:08:41.679 --> 00:08:44.200 so I knew how it was to put in your kitchen. 149 00:08:44.480 --> 00:08:47.159 I knew the stress the clients would go through. Then 150 00:08:47.200 --> 00:08:50.360 I started fabricating, making cabinets, so I went to the 151 00:08:50.360 --> 00:08:53.440 cold construction of the cabinets and now I'm in retail. 152 00:08:53.679 --> 00:08:56.039 So it's a whole new world for me, and I 153 00:08:56.120 --> 00:08:58.559 love it. Yeah, I love helping people the full spectrum. 154 00:08:58.600 --> 00:09:01.720 Though you've lived the entire spectrum of cabinets all the 155 00:09:01.759 --> 00:09:04.919 way through. Yes, surf is awesome, all right. 156 00:09:04.960 --> 00:09:09.080 So, speaking of the spectrum of cabinets, I don't know 157 00:09:09.080 --> 00:09:12.000 if a lot of you know where cabinets came from. 158 00:09:12.399 --> 00:09:15.200 And I'm not talking about furniture cabinets like you know. 159 00:09:15.320 --> 00:09:20.200 I mean you can find furniture from that's nine years old, 160 00:09:20.200 --> 00:09:23.039 that technically a freestanding piece of furniture is technically a cabinet. 161 00:09:23.080 --> 00:09:26.879 I'm talking about functional, utility based kitchen cabinets in the 162 00:09:26.960 --> 00:09:30.600 United States, It all starts with the Hoosier. You guys 163 00:09:30.639 --> 00:09:33.440 know what a Hoosier is, Okay, A Hoosier is somebody 164 00:09:33.480 --> 00:09:38.279 from Indiana. Okay, But a Hoo's your cabinet, right eighteen nineties. 165 00:09:39.679 --> 00:09:42.320 A lot of people don't realize this about to home design, 166 00:09:42.759 --> 00:09:45.879 especially here in the States, but it was the only 167 00:09:47.159 --> 00:09:52.840 in the early nineteen teens and twenties that the even 168 00:09:52.879 --> 00:09:58.399 the concept of the built in cabinet began growing. All Right, 169 00:09:58.639 --> 00:10:01.440 So if you've got eighteen nineties house, which is a 170 00:10:01.759 --> 00:10:04.360 house is that Tina and I have worked on? You know, 171 00:10:05.559 --> 00:10:09.440 you don't have in those homes. You walk into the kitchen. 172 00:10:09.440 --> 00:10:13.559 The kitchen's a room, and the kitchen table it's a 173 00:10:13.639 --> 00:10:17.159 table just sitting in the kitchen, free standing stove, maybe 174 00:10:17.200 --> 00:10:19.919 a wood stove or a coal stove over there, free 175 00:10:19.919 --> 00:10:25.240 standing sink over there, and a larger maybe a pantry 176 00:10:25.320 --> 00:10:28.360 room attached to it. That's the kitchen, lined in tile 177 00:10:28.679 --> 00:10:32.000 with a big old table in the middle. Okay. Then 178 00:10:32.039 --> 00:10:37.639 along comes this company, the Sellar's Furniture Company from Elwood, Indiana. 179 00:10:37.960 --> 00:10:41.480 In the eighteen ninety eight they introduce a piece of 180 00:10:41.639 --> 00:10:45.720 free standing furniture like no other piece of furniture anybody 181 00:10:45.759 --> 00:10:49.000 has ever seen. It's a Hoosier cabinet. All right. It 182 00:10:49.080 --> 00:10:51.879 is a cabinet. It's about four feet wide, it's about 183 00:10:51.879 --> 00:10:55.320 twenty two inches deep, it's about six feet tall. It 184 00:10:55.399 --> 00:11:00.559 has a retractable extending countertop that slides out, usually a 185 00:11:00.679 --> 00:11:06.440 steel porcelain covered countertop that slides out for more workspace available. 186 00:11:06.840 --> 00:11:10.440 These have built in flower sifters in the upper portion 187 00:11:10.600 --> 00:11:14.200 of the cabinets they've got. Some of them have tamboor doors. 188 00:11:14.279 --> 00:11:17.360 A tamboor door is a rolltop door, right, a kind 189 00:11:17.399 --> 00:11:20.480 of door that rolls, made out of slats of wood 190 00:11:21.840 --> 00:11:24.720 built in on the inside of the upper doors. Shopping 191 00:11:24.759 --> 00:11:29.679 list and measurement conversion charts, bread drawers, specialized bread drawers, 192 00:11:29.679 --> 00:11:34.840 specialized spice rack. Okay, this is a Hoosier And if 193 00:11:34.919 --> 00:11:37.480 you're still having trouble picturing it, I guarantee you just 194 00:11:37.519 --> 00:11:39.399 go right now to your computer, look it up on 195 00:11:39.440 --> 00:11:42.840 your phone. Just just google who's your cabinet, and you'll 196 00:11:42.840 --> 00:11:46.600 see exactly what I'm talking about. All right? How popular 197 00:11:46.639 --> 00:11:49.120 were these? What kind of an innovation? This was such 198 00:11:49.120 --> 00:11:55.320 a useful utility. The seller's company started selling by the 199 00:11:55.679 --> 00:11:59.919 hundreds and then thousands, and then other furniture companies, specific 200 00:12:00.320 --> 00:12:05.320 the most famous one, the Hoosier Manufacturing Company of Albany, Indiana, 201 00:12:05.440 --> 00:12:11.360 got involved. Multiple millions of these cabinets were sold from 202 00:12:12.159 --> 00:12:15.600 the late eighteen nineties until the early ninth and probably 203 00:12:15.639 --> 00:12:18.840 about nineteen thirty. And why did they stop being sold 204 00:12:18.879 --> 00:12:22.399 in nineteen thirty Because the utility of the Hoosier cabinet 205 00:12:22.480 --> 00:12:25.679 standing in the kitchen. People started figuring out. Builders started 206 00:12:25.679 --> 00:12:30.159 figuring out, well, heck, we should just start building these 207 00:12:30.200 --> 00:12:34.519 features into a kitchen right up against the wall, built 208 00:12:34.519 --> 00:12:38.320 in cabinets with even more counter space, more upper space, 209 00:12:38.399 --> 00:12:41.720 more storage space. And essentially you look at a Who's 210 00:12:41.720 --> 00:12:44.000 your cabinet, you'll be able to see, oh, yeah, that 211 00:12:44.200 --> 00:12:48.919 is the ancestor, that is the progenitor of the modern 212 00:12:49.240 --> 00:12:52.519 kitchen cabinet in America, the Hoo's your cabinet. It all 213 00:12:52.559 --> 00:12:56.840 goes back to the turn of the twentieth century. From there, 214 00:12:57.679 --> 00:13:01.720 lots of exciting adventures happened. We kind of figured out 215 00:13:02.360 --> 00:13:05.039 there were all sorts of shapes and sizes. Cabinets were 216 00:13:05.039 --> 00:13:08.200 not uniform. They changed from house to house. There was 217 00:13:08.240 --> 00:13:12.200 no standards anywhere. Then we get into the late thirties, 218 00:13:12.240 --> 00:13:16.440 the early forties, and World War two hits and after 219 00:13:16.519 --> 00:13:21.720 the war, the building boom, the track building boom across 220 00:13:21.799 --> 00:13:26.320 the United States begged for some kind of uniformity, and 221 00:13:26.360 --> 00:13:29.200 so standards were set up, and I'll talk to you 222 00:13:29.240 --> 00:13:32.200 a little bit about that when we come back. How 223 00:13:32.240 --> 00:13:36.279 did we arrive at thirty six inches for a standard countertop? Okay, 224 00:13:36.440 --> 00:13:39.320 how did we arrive at twenty four inch depths and 225 00:13:39.440 --> 00:13:43.080 twelve inch deep uppers? And the general configuration that you 226 00:13:43.240 --> 00:13:48.240 understand is a kitchen cabinet, and the various forms of 227 00:13:48.320 --> 00:13:51.600 kitchen cabinets face frame cabinets, which of course were the 228 00:13:51.759 --> 00:13:55.759 standard for American cabinets at the beginning, but out of 229 00:13:55.799 --> 00:14:00.080 Europe after World War Two came this frameless what we 230 00:14:00.159 --> 00:14:03.440 call euro style. Now we call it full access, because 231 00:14:03.799 --> 00:14:06.519 frameless means something's missing. I think we'd let go of 232 00:14:06.519 --> 00:14:08.919 that marketing thing because it sounds like it's less than 233 00:14:10.120 --> 00:14:12.840 But so now we call them full access cabinets. But 234 00:14:12.879 --> 00:14:14.559 they are a kind of cabinet that doesn't have a 235 00:14:14.559 --> 00:14:16.480 face frame. And there's a reason for that that has 236 00:14:16.519 --> 00:14:18.639 everything to do with World War two as well. We're 237 00:14:18.639 --> 00:14:20.519 gonna talk about all of this and then we're gonna 238 00:14:20.559 --> 00:14:24.080 get into the anatomy of cabinets so that you understand 239 00:14:24.120 --> 00:14:27.360 it better. We'll run through that today. Plus John is 240 00:14:27.399 --> 00:14:31.559 gonna from his vast experience share what you as a 241 00:14:31.600 --> 00:14:34.840 homeowner should be looking for, should be wary of what 242 00:14:34.919 --> 00:14:37.759 you are likely going to get stuck on, and need 243 00:14:37.799 --> 00:14:42.200 to move through everything cabinet related, and we will continue. 244 00:14:43.120 --> 00:14:46.440 You're listening to Home with Dean Sharp on demand from 245 00:14:46.559 --> 00:14:48.320 KFI AM six forty. 246 00:14:50.080 --> 00:14:52.840 Live streaming in HD right now, by the way on 247 00:14:52.919 --> 00:14:55.759 the iHeartRadio app. So you don't have to sit by 248 00:14:55.759 --> 00:14:58.440 your radio. Not that you are, you know, it's not 249 00:14:59.000 --> 00:15:01.879 nineteen twenty seven. You're just leaned over next to the 250 00:15:02.039 --> 00:15:05.000 RCA with your dog on your lap. You might be. 251 00:15:05.600 --> 00:15:09.360 But you can also just pop in your earbuds and 252 00:15:10.440 --> 00:15:13.279 find us on the iHeartRadio app live stream right now 253 00:15:13.320 --> 00:15:15.639 and just take off. Get get out there and get 254 00:15:15.679 --> 00:15:17.519 done what you need to do, and take me with you, 255 00:15:18.360 --> 00:15:21.639 Dean Sharp, the house whisper here with you. We're going 256 00:15:21.679 --> 00:15:24.399 to be taking calls in just a bit, so now's 257 00:15:24.440 --> 00:15:27.080 your chance to get into the queue. The number to 258 00:15:27.080 --> 00:15:31.200 reach me eight three three two ask Dean A three three. 259 00:15:31.679 --> 00:15:34.000 The numeral to ask Dean. You know what I love 260 00:15:34.039 --> 00:15:36.639 about calls. You can ask me anything you want, and 261 00:15:36.919 --> 00:15:39.360 I hope that's what you love about calls as well. 262 00:15:39.879 --> 00:15:43.039 We're talking kitchen cabinets today with my special in studio guest, 263 00:15:43.320 --> 00:15:45.879 John Cordero from the Kitchen Store. We're going to die 264 00:15:45.919 --> 00:15:48.159 back down into that in just a second. But when 265 00:15:48.159 --> 00:15:51.080 it comes to calls, you get to set the agenda. 266 00:15:51.159 --> 00:15:57.559 Anything anything about your home outside, inside, landscape, hardscape, architecture, 267 00:15:57.799 --> 00:16:03.159 you want to talk froofy, architectural theory, totally fine with me. 268 00:16:03.679 --> 00:16:05.679 We can talk about it all day long. Do you 269 00:16:05.720 --> 00:16:08.080 want me to help you fix your leaky toilet? I 270 00:16:08.080 --> 00:16:11.320 can help you with that too, and everything in between 271 00:16:11.519 --> 00:16:14.360 those two extremes. All right, the full spectrum, that's what 272 00:16:14.399 --> 00:16:18.200 I'm here for. All right, let's dive back in, John 273 00:16:18.360 --> 00:16:21.399 to I promised everybody I was going to talk a 274 00:16:21.440 --> 00:16:23.799 little bit more about the history of cabinet, just setting 275 00:16:23.840 --> 00:16:27.080 it all up here. So we talked about the Hoosier 276 00:16:27.159 --> 00:16:32.080 cabinet being the really the first true American kitchen cabinet. 277 00:16:32.120 --> 00:16:35.200 It was a piece of furniture technically and then, but 278 00:16:35.320 --> 00:16:40.679 it was such a utilitarian device that builders started building 279 00:16:40.799 --> 00:16:44.960 those kinds of cabinets into the kitchen room and really 280 00:16:45.000 --> 00:16:47.720 turning it into taking on the shape of what we 281 00:16:47.799 --> 00:16:51.879 understand as the modern kitchen is today. And then another 282 00:16:51.879 --> 00:16:54.559 big change came World War two. World War two hit 283 00:16:55.120 --> 00:16:59.720 and after the war, post war, there was this massive 284 00:17:00.080 --> 00:17:03.840 tracked building boom across the United States. I mean literally 285 00:17:04.000 --> 00:17:07.880 millions of homes being built and built in kitchen cabinets 286 00:17:08.039 --> 00:17:12.039 were the thing. They were the thing, and that's when 287 00:17:12.039 --> 00:17:14.480 it really really took off, and not just the typical 288 00:17:15.079 --> 00:17:19.599 face frame American style cabinet, a cabinet that has, in 289 00:17:19.640 --> 00:17:24.559 addition to the box construction, there is a hardwood face 290 00:17:24.599 --> 00:17:26.920 frame on the front that the doors and drawers are 291 00:17:26.960 --> 00:17:31.160 actually hung off of and operating through. But out of 292 00:17:31.359 --> 00:17:35.799 Europe came what we now call the full access cabinet. 293 00:17:35.839 --> 00:17:38.519 At the when we were first introduced to it was 294 00:17:38.640 --> 00:17:43.200 frameless or euro style cabinetry, and that is a kind 295 00:17:43.200 --> 00:17:46.160 of cabinet that doesn't have a face frame. It has 296 00:17:46.319 --> 00:17:49.640 full overlay doors and drawers so that they all touch 297 00:17:49.720 --> 00:17:51.920 each other and you never see the frame if it 298 00:17:51.960 --> 00:17:56.799 was there anyway. And the reason for that was very 299 00:17:56.839 --> 00:18:00.880 simply that Europe was going through a building boom because 300 00:18:00.880 --> 00:18:04.559 they were rebuilding, rebuilding a Europe that was bombed out, 301 00:18:05.160 --> 00:18:09.480 you know, had completely been devastated by the war. Lumber 302 00:18:09.559 --> 00:18:13.920 shortage is everywhere. And some brilliant person whose name I 303 00:18:14.000 --> 00:18:19.119 cannot recall at the time, some brilliant person said, hey, 304 00:18:19.400 --> 00:18:23.079 we could save on lumber with cabinetry if we could 305 00:18:23.079 --> 00:18:25.839 just redesign the cabinets in a way where we can 306 00:18:25.880 --> 00:18:30.000 attach the doors and the drawers directly to the cabinet boxes. 307 00:18:30.640 --> 00:18:32.920 Let the doors and the drawers be the whole show 308 00:18:33.119 --> 00:18:36.319 up front, and we wouldn't have to build that face 309 00:18:36.400 --> 00:18:38.680 frame on the front. We could save a lot of lumber. 310 00:18:39.160 --> 00:18:42.599 And so, because of the lumber crisis, the lumber shortage 311 00:18:42.920 --> 00:18:48.319 post World War Two, the frameless, full access eurostyle cabinet 312 00:18:48.440 --> 00:18:52.000 was born. And then what about the standards, Well, that 313 00:18:52.160 --> 00:18:57.200 was mostly an American thing, the standards of like, well, 314 00:18:57.440 --> 00:19:02.720 why exactly is a standard American cabinet thirty six inch 315 00:19:02.839 --> 00:19:06.039 countertop height? Why is it thirty six inches? Okay, Well, 316 00:19:06.039 --> 00:19:09.440 it was a study conducted at the University of Illinois 317 00:19:09.559 --> 00:19:13.119 in the nineteen forties based on the average height I'm 318 00:19:13.160 --> 00:19:15.799 sorry to say of women at the time, because it 319 00:19:15.880 --> 00:19:17.759 was like who's going to be in the kitchen. Women, 320 00:19:18.079 --> 00:19:20.359 women will be in the kitchen. I know, John, right, 321 00:19:20.440 --> 00:19:23.720 it's like right, it's just like that does not that 322 00:19:23.759 --> 00:19:26.759 does not work with today's world. But I'm just telling 323 00:19:26.799 --> 00:19:29.799 this is the truth. I'm not rewriting history here. Study 324 00:19:30.240 --> 00:19:34.160 University of Illinois, nineteen forties. The average height of women 325 00:19:34.240 --> 00:19:37.279 at the time five foot three inches average height of 326 00:19:37.319 --> 00:19:41.759 the American woman, and therefore it was concluded that thirty 327 00:19:41.759 --> 00:19:45.960 six inches was an optimal countertop height for the average 328 00:19:46.039 --> 00:19:49.480 American woman. The current average height of American women, by 329 00:19:49.480 --> 00:19:53.200 the way, five foot five But you know American women 330 00:19:53.240 --> 00:19:56.519 are growing taller. But the point is this, that doesn't 331 00:19:56.559 --> 00:19:59.359 matter anymore. Men are in the kitchen, women are in 332 00:19:59.359 --> 00:20:02.920 the kitchen. Nobody's in the kitchen. Who you know, everybody's 333 00:20:02.960 --> 00:20:06.039 in the kitchen. It doesn't matter now what is most 334 00:20:06.039 --> 00:20:09.039 important And this is going to lead to another conversation 335 00:20:09.079 --> 00:20:10.759 I hope later in the show, but I want everybody 336 00:20:10.759 --> 00:20:13.920 to listen to me right now. It is now understood. 337 00:20:14.200 --> 00:20:17.559 Like if you ask the American Culinary Institute what is 338 00:20:17.559 --> 00:20:20.359 the optimal countertop height, they are not going to tell 339 00:20:20.400 --> 00:20:22.720 you thirty six or they're not going to give you 340 00:20:23.039 --> 00:20:26.039 a fixed number. They are going to tell you that 341 00:20:26.160 --> 00:20:30.880 the optimal counter height for culinary prep work is a 342 00:20:31.039 --> 00:20:36.119 human being standing upright, comfortably, fully upright, bend your elbows 343 00:20:36.400 --> 00:20:39.839 at ninety degrees and measure three to four inches below 344 00:20:39.880 --> 00:20:43.200 your bent elbow. Three to four inches below a ninety 345 00:20:43.200 --> 00:20:47.720 degree bent elbow while you are comfortably standing upright is 346 00:20:47.960 --> 00:20:54.039 your optimal countertop height for spending the day in the kitchen. Okay, 347 00:20:54.400 --> 00:20:58.880 which is why, as a designer of homes and kitchens, 348 00:21:00.079 --> 00:21:04.440 I have in for many years now encouraged our clients 349 00:21:05.599 --> 00:21:08.519 mix it up a little bit. Okay, you can put 350 00:21:08.559 --> 00:21:11.359 you could have you can have a kitchen with multiple 351 00:21:11.400 --> 00:21:15.039 countertop heights. Okay, you can have your standard thirty six 352 00:21:15.039 --> 00:21:17.319 and we've got standard thirty six inch counters in our 353 00:21:17.400 --> 00:21:20.160 kitchen where the sink is and you know where most 354 00:21:20.200 --> 00:21:23.799 everybody goes and stuff our island, though in the center 355 00:21:23.839 --> 00:21:26.839 where I do most of my cooking and prep work 356 00:21:27.319 --> 00:21:30.599 is forty two inches because I'm six three, and that 357 00:21:31.240 --> 00:21:34.119 actually is not it's a little bit more than four 358 00:21:34.119 --> 00:21:38.200 inches below my elbow. But Tina is not six', three, 359 00:21:38.440 --> 00:21:41.880 Okay and so that's a good compromise between the two of. 360 00:21:41.960 --> 00:21:45.000 Us it's a little higher than, normal so That i'm 361 00:21:45.079 --> 00:21:48.119 comfortable all. Day it's a little higher than. Normal she's 362 00:21:48.160 --> 00:21:50.519 totally comfortable with. It and that's where we do all 363 00:21:50.519 --> 00:21:52.559 of our prep. Work and, now for the first time 364 00:21:52.799 --> 00:21:56.079 in my, life because of this kitchen, ISLAND i can 365 00:21:56.079 --> 00:21:57.680 stand in the kitchen all day AND i get that 366 00:21:57.720 --> 00:22:00.799 little ache in my back from bending over that little 367 00:22:00.839 --> 00:22:04.839 few degrees that just just kills. You so that's. It 368 00:22:05.039 --> 00:22:07.759 and and if you do a lot of, baking do 369 00:22:07.799 --> 00:22:10.519 a lot of, baking then the opposite is. True the 370 00:22:10.599 --> 00:22:14.000 optimal countertop HiPE for baking is actually like a regular 371 00:22:14.079 --> 00:22:17.000 table height of thirty. Inches and the reason is if 372 00:22:17.039 --> 00:22:19.960 you're kneading, dough you want that countertop lower so that 373 00:22:20.000 --> 00:22:24.880 you're getting your locked arms leaning over right and you 374 00:22:24.920 --> 00:22:26.599 don't have to use your muscles as. Much you can 375 00:22:26.680 --> 00:22:28.680 just use your body weight and knead that dough and 376 00:22:28.759 --> 00:22:31.680 roll it. Out so you're a, baker you're looking for 377 00:22:31.759 --> 00:22:35.960 thirty inch. Counters everybody universally kind of going for the thirty. 378 00:22:36.039 --> 00:22:38.960 Six if you're, taller you want to go for something 379 00:22:39.039 --> 00:22:43.200 like forty to forty. Two sky's the. Limit these, days 380 00:22:43.440 --> 00:22:45.759 you can have the kitchen cabinets that you, want but 381 00:22:45.960 --> 00:22:49.920 that gives you some perspective of where this all comes. From, 382 00:22:50.160 --> 00:22:52.440 okay that's funny how you mentioned forty two. 383 00:22:52.480 --> 00:22:57.119 Inches that's bartip pipe bar top HiPE thirty inches typical. 384 00:22:56.720 --> 00:23:01.400 Desk exactly exactly Two when you think about, bartender who's 385 00:23:01.440 --> 00:23:04.599 just working it all day, long, right forty two inches 386 00:23:04.640 --> 00:23:07.720 it's great bar top, height but it's it's it's my 387 00:23:07.799 --> 00:23:10.920 island prep hith for. Me just it just works, perfect all, 388 00:23:11.000 --> 00:23:15.440 right y'all when we come, back we will. THEN i 389 00:23:15.440 --> 00:23:18.799 think it's Time john to start kind of pulling apart 390 00:23:18.839 --> 00:23:24.559 the anatomy of, cabinets especially when it comes to, boxes 391 00:23:24.559 --> 00:23:27.079 because there's a lot of different materials that cabinet boxes 392 00:23:27.079 --> 00:23:30.000 can be made of that people should be very wary. Of, 393 00:23:30.319 --> 00:23:35.119 yes and there's one material that they should be demanding almost, 394 00:23:35.200 --> 00:23:38.720 always right when it comes to cabinet, boxes and we'll 395 00:23:38.720 --> 00:23:42.480 talk about. That don't go. Anywhere you are about to 396 00:23:42.559 --> 00:23:46.559 learn everything you need to know about your kitchen. Cabinets 397 00:23:47.759 --> 00:23:50.319 it's is it? Time, yeah it's. 398 00:23:50.359 --> 00:23:54.440 Time you're listening To home With Dean sharp on demand 399 00:23:54.519 --> 00:23:55.880 FROM KFI am six. 400 00:23:56.000 --> 00:24:02.200 Forty what time is? It? HEY i know what time it. 401 00:24:02.240 --> 00:24:06.319