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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Catherine Hileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't

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<v Speaker 1>help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as

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<v Speaker 1>our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested

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<v Speaker 1>in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going over the same parenting topics over and over.

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<v Speaker 2>So since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we

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<v Speaker 2>thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,

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<v Speaker 2>if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,

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<v Speaker 2>and let's all make like we're doing something important for

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<v Speaker 2>our families. Each Wednesday we bring you our thoughts on

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<v Speaker 2>a newer entertainment property, and for this week of December

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<v Speaker 2>twenty third, we're discussing the eighth episode of the current

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<v Speaker 2>season of Shrinking. It is called Last Drink. And if

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<v Speaker 2>you listen to our last two episodes this week, you

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<v Speaker 2>may have heard Terry mention this was a very sad,

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<v Speaker 2>sad episode for us. I would say, yeah, Wolf, although

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<v Speaker 2>I would say, you know, we did have some We

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<v Speaker 2>had Sean doing well, yes, and we had Liz and

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<v Speaker 2>Derek making up, Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>But first Lizen Derek both being extremely sad and Derek

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<v Speaker 1>being sad is not natural. And it's that thing where

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<v Speaker 1>this is not my fault. I am the wronged person here,

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<v Speaker 1>and yet I feel terrible right and coming to terms

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<v Speaker 1>with how he maybe did not catch the signals as

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<v Speaker 1>we discussed I think last week we and just having

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<v Speaker 1>the most Derek possible confrontation with Mac. He kissed his wife.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like he wants to go and Dereren, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>be super mad, but the beer's really good and she

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<v Speaker 1>sees less dog pictures on the wall are wonderful, and

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<v Speaker 1>he realizes he didn't give them any attention. And she,

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<v Speaker 1>meanwhile is just feeling lower than low. And you know

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<v Speaker 1>when Alice is trying to help her and she says,

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<v Speaker 1>you can like you have a daughter and braid my

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<v Speaker 1>hair right, Oh so sweet, and all their friends, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in a very clear eyed way, trying to help both

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<v Speaker 1>of them, you know, not taking sides, but understanding that

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<v Speaker 1>this is this happens sometimes, and this is crappy. So

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciated that. I think this would have been harder

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<v Speaker 1>the way they work their way to a reconciliation would

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<v Speaker 1>have been harder if it was more than a kiss. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>It seems like appropriate amount of soul searching and anger

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<v Speaker 1>and guilt for what actually happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, And I also appreciated that when Derek did go

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<v Speaker 2>to confront Mac, it was all very like reasonable, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, because your conditioned right on a sitcom to

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<v Speaker 2>be like him saying I should go talk to him,

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<v Speaker 2>and everyone being like, oh, that's a bad idea. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and then he does it anyway. You know, we could

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<v Speaker 2>also refer back to lost. You know, you're going down

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<v Speaker 2>the hatch. No, don't do that, Okay, bye, Yeah, And

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<v Speaker 2>then it turned out to be like a much more

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<v Speaker 2>sort of nuanced conversation that they had.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this whole thing was pretty nuanced the way they

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<v Speaker 1>handled everything. Gabby giving him some advice like this stuff

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't come out of nowhere, and so he has to

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<v Speaker 1>kind of realize that he was maybe not paying attention

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<v Speaker 1>when he should have been. Right and very sweet. That

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<v Speaker 1>is his sort of coming home gift to her is

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<v Speaker 1>that he brings all their sons in right, and none

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<v Speaker 1>of the Connor's older brothers do not believe him about them.

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<v Speaker 1>Pull you made up somebody named summer, and his parents

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<v Speaker 1>could jump in and say no, no, it's true, but

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<v Speaker 1>they don't.

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<v Speaker 2>No, they don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Situation going that seemed very real, yes, but the bigger

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<v Speaker 1>sadness in this land there was also a thing of

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<v Speaker 1>Paul Parkinson's getting worse and now he can't drink anymore,

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<v Speaker 1>and so he has a last drink with Jimmy. But

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<v Speaker 1>from the very beginning, we go from Jimmy seeing Alison

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<v Speaker 1>Brian in the restaurant with Lewis. We flashed back three years.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been three years? Did we know it had been

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<v Speaker 1>three years? And we see Louis so happy with this

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<v Speaker 1>cute girlfriend who we saw in the picture, and you

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<v Speaker 1>just know you're watching this, and you're watching Jimmy and

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<v Speaker 1>Tea being cute together, and you know what's coming, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's so awful. And it's not that Louis was

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<v Speaker 1>an alcoholic who irresponsibly was driving. It's just that thing

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<v Speaker 1>where you think I'm okay for life. Yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I think, if we're honest with ourselves, most adults have

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<v Speaker 1>had that and have just been blessed that. Yeah, nothing happened.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I can think of a couple of times

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<v Speaker 1>where I was way drunker than Louis was in this

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<v Speaker 1>and just somehow the angels escorted me. All.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely so.

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<v Speaker 1>And that just makes it more tragic because you want

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<v Speaker 1>to hate him, but he's just a guy who had

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<v Speaker 2>Just made a mistake.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and his whole life fell apart, and he shuts

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<v Speaker 1>out his girlfriend because he can't see her without thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about what he did, and just sinks into depression. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess went to jail for some period of time.

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<v Speaker 1>I think she said, like ten months. Yeah, and just

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<v Speaker 1>and then you see Jimmy as we knew somewhat of

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<v Speaker 1>how he fell apart, and but worse now because we

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<v Speaker 1>see it actually when it was at its worst, and

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<v Speaker 1>he just was neglecting Alice like crazy, and how Alice

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of went over to Liz's because she needed

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<v Speaker 1>to be taken care of and there was nobody to

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<v Speaker 1>take care of her. And she even says to him,

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<v Speaker 1>I need you, and he's like I can't.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, yeah, man.

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<v Speaker 1>Bad parenting, ye speak of parenting, Yes, parenting, don't do that.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't get to do that. And so now whenever

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<v Speaker 1>Jimmy sees Lewis, that's what he thinks of he remembers

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<v Speaker 1>what a terrible father he was, and so he does

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<v Speaker 1>go to Lewis's and forgive him, but also says, just

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<v Speaker 1>be completely out of my life please.

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<v Speaker 2>So Yeah, I mean I didn't buy that forgiveness at all.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I think he was just saying the words

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<v Speaker 2>that right everyone wanted him to say, but he didn't

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<v Speaker 2>believe it. Whatsot of it?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, he for sure hasn't forgiven himself. Yeah, so, And

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<v Speaker 1>so again Lewis Is like lost the support he was

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<v Speaker 1>starting to get right from Alice and Brian. And what

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<v Speaker 1>a Brett Goldstein's performance in that, just all the way

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<v Speaker 1>through this person who was trying to deal with this

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<v Speaker 1>tragedy somewhat of his own making but not entirely and

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<v Speaker 1>just man, good job breaking my heart right? And will

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<v Speaker 1>we at some point please get a payoff for the

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<v Speaker 1>miscongeniality thing. Somewhere There's got to be a payoff. The

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<v Speaker 1>season needs to end with them sitting on a couch

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<v Speaker 1>watching Miss Congeniality and explanation for why right, because I

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<v Speaker 1>don't care what his reason is for having it. The

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<v Speaker 1>production had to have a reason for having it. Somebody

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<v Speaker 1>had to have an idea of this is a guy

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<v Speaker 1>who has a giant framed poster from right in his apartment. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>or no apparent reason. Oh, I hope we see that

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<v Speaker 1>girlfriend again too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But also you know what a kick in the guts

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<v Speaker 1>for her too, that just shutting down.

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<v Speaker 2>Especially because she did try to stop him, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>she said let's take a lift.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes. So oh man, Just people with nice lives just

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<v Speaker 1>falling apart in that way is heartbreaking to watch, and

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<v Speaker 1>they're still not really back that one. Jimmy asks Paul

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<v Speaker 1>if do you think I'll ever be able to forgive myself?

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<v Speaker 1>And he says it's it's exhausting, like hating himself as much. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and just being such a such a loser or feeling

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<v Speaker 1>like such a loser.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, happy fun show, Love me a good sitcom, Bill Lawrence,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm shaking my fist at you.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>Who had on their list of season two shrinking. I

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<v Speaker 1>would like to see Derek be sad. What does Agla

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<v Speaker 1>guy look like? When he's said, nobody had that on

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<v Speaker 1>their Bengo card, stop it, stop it. Nobody wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>see that. Although he did a tremendous job of just

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<v Speaker 1>still being that guy but dealing with something bigger than Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I wish he would ever have to deal with, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So ye, come on, give us a break. Yeah. And

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<v Speaker 1>in the flashbacks, we got to see a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>things that had been alluded to in earlier episodes, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the She's such a mom, Yeah, and the aftermath of

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<v Speaker 1>math of Brian and Charlie's first date where neither of

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<v Speaker 1>them wanted to continue dating the other, right, but that

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<v Speaker 1>was a sad time to go back to.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I guess I guess necessary.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah? Yeah, but they couldn't have had like one

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<v Speaker 1>did they have like one plot thread? This that was

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<v Speaker 1>funny in this one? Isn't that what you're supposed to do?

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<v Speaker 2>You can forgive us something funny.

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<v Speaker 1>Even the music. I've been listening to the music from

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<v Speaker 1>Shrinking quite a lot. They have a soundtrack, a playlist

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<v Speaker 1>on Apple Music now in the second season as well.

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<v Speaker 1>I've listened the heck out of the first season. And boy,

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<v Speaker 1>that song that they played when the restaurant, when Lewis

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<v Speaker 1>and his girlfriend were at the restaurant and they were leaving,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know what's going to happen next, And there's

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<v Speaker 1>the saddest song, so melancholy, and there was like a

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<v Speaker 1>chorus kept saying like for a minute, you were my

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<v Speaker 1>whole girl.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, we get.

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<v Speaker 1>It, we know what's gonna happen. Leave our arts in

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<v Speaker 1>our chests please. So I'm gonna have to see if

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<v Speaker 1>that's on the playlist now, And every time I listen

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<v Speaker 1>to it, I'm gonna think of that scene and go, no,

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<v Speaker 1>getta left, Lewis gotta left. Walk home if it's close.

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<v Speaker 2>They said it was a mile, like just walk home, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>walk home.

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<v Speaker 1>Well it's in La so maybe not, but no, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>in Pasadena they walk. I don't know. Most time I

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<v Speaker 1>spent in Pasadena was at a there was a class

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<v Speaker 1>for racewalking, and I don't know if it was at

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<v Speaker 1>the Rose Bowl or it was at some big arena

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<v Speaker 1>there in Pasadena. And it was like the first time

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<v Speaker 1>I had really been spending any time in Pasadena. I

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<v Speaker 1>learned how to race walk, right, so they could have

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<v Speaker 1>race walked to see it time and all of everything

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<v Speaker 1>about this show would never have been.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why it didn't happen that way.

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<v Speaker 1>They gotta they gotta take it through the team. I guess,

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<v Speaker 1>parenting wise, Alice's face when Brian said he and Charlie

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna have a baby, was.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, really you too?

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<v Speaker 1>Her eyes got very wide.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just saying, the girl knows things, that's for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes. And also at one point Jimmy said, everybody hopes

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<v Speaker 1>that they're the kind of person who comes through if

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<v Speaker 1>the bleep ever hits the fan, and I wasn't. And

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<v Speaker 1>as a parent, that's I felt that, like, Okay, I

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<v Speaker 1>can handle anything. I know, you know, whatever happens, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>be okay, I'll handle it. And then something happens and

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<v Speaker 1>you go, gosh.

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<v Speaker 2>Handle that.

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<v Speaker 1>Why did that have to happen? Yeah, I've had a

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<v Speaker 1>few of those, so I feel you, Jimmy, But I

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<v Speaker 1>did not actually have hookers at home, so.

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<v Speaker 2>Offering to cook your child a meal.

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<v Speaker 1>They're so sweet, those hookers, they're really nice. They're nice ladies.

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<v Speaker 1>It's fine, they're good friends, that's all. But uh, I

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<v Speaker 1>hope next episode is happy. What does the next episode?

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<v Speaker 1>What is the title of the next episode? And uh

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<v Speaker 1>does it sound like it could be a happy episode?

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<v Speaker 1>We need to be done with the Sads for at

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't know, we'll see it sounds a little funny.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the ninth episode is called full Grown Dude Face,

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't know if that has to do with

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<v Speaker 2>the children of Liz. I don't know. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Will so many to find out? There are many full

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<v Speaker 1>grown due.

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<v Speaker 2>Next Thursday, following our little holiday week switcheroo.

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<v Speaker 1>Next week as well, we have like a week to

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<v Speaker 1>sort of wallow in the sadness here. Yeah, thank you

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