Speaker 1: It's night Sime with Dan Ray. I'm tell you easy, Boston.
Speaker 2: Well, the election of twenty twenty four now is a
Speaker 2: mere days away, and it's really almost hours away at
Speaker 2: this point when you think about it. We've been looking
Speaker 2: at this for well, some people have been looking at
Speaker 2: it since January of twenty twenty one, or since November
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty. Certainly we've been immersed in this for
Speaker 2: a year. No one has been immersed in these sorts
Speaker 2: of elections for a longer period of time with a
Speaker 2: greater record of accuracy than my good friend John Zogby
Speaker 2: of John Zogby Strategies. John, thanks so much for making
Speaker 2: yourself available. I so appreciate you taking the time to
Speaker 2: be with us tonight.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 4: Jan anytime the Friday before a presidential election in the tradition.
Speaker 3: For us, it has become that.
Speaker 2: By the way, if you want to ask John zog
Speaker 2: Be a question, John is going to stay with us
Speaker 2: until ten thirty. His time is veryval So you want
Speaker 2: to get on, and you want to get on early.
Speaker 2: The other thing wech you'd like to mention is that
Speaker 2: Zogbie Strategies does a webinar on Monday at noontime, tell
Speaker 2: us about the webinar and how people can participate in
Speaker 2: that webinar if they're not fortunate enough to reach you tonight.
Speaker 4: John, so the webinar at noon on Monday. Best thing
Speaker 4: to do, I think is to write to Jeremy at
Speaker 4: John Zogby Strategies dot com. He'll get your registered and
Speaker 4: show you how to register Jeremy at John Zogbi Strategies
Speaker 4: dot com. And what we're doing is we're doing our
Speaker 4: final poll tomorrow and Sunday, trying to take it as
Speaker 4: close to the end as we can a nationwide poll
Speaker 4: and see if we're going to get a break one
Speaker 4: way or another. So far there is no break.
Speaker 3: When will you be out in the field.
Speaker 2: You're going to be out tomorrow and Sunday or Sunday
Speaker 2: and Monday, or when.
Speaker 4: Tomorrow and Sunday and then we'll release their belts at
Speaker 4: noon on Monday.
Speaker 2: Okay, now you have been And one of the reasons
Speaker 2: I love to talk to you is that you have
Speaker 2: basically had a very good winning percentage.
Speaker 3: On these polls.
Speaker 2: Of going back to many elections, you've called these polls correctly,
Speaker 2: I believe since nineteen ninety six correct me.
Speaker 5: If I'm wrong, that's right, that is correct, okay.
Speaker 2: And some of them were very I mean, there might
Speaker 2: have been a couple of relatively easy ones in there.
Speaker 3: But you have the.
Speaker 2: Bush Gore poll from two thousand, which was correct. The
Speaker 2: Kerry Bush race in twenty twenty four was close. John
Speaker 2: McCain Barack Obama was close. You know, obviously you were
Speaker 2: able to figure the upset, the Trump upset over Hillary Clinton.
Speaker 2: What did you see in that in twenty sixteen, And
Speaker 2: are you seeing anything that is similar because some people
Speaker 2: are saying that that Trump is undervalued in polls, that
Speaker 2: there's always sort of like this three or four percent
Speaker 2: of of a hidden Trump vote. What is your gut
Speaker 2: at this person? What is you what do you write?
Speaker 4: So a couple of things about twenty sixteen, I did
Speaker 4: not poll. Then I had sold my company and we
Speaker 4: had just started a new one, and so I didn't
Speaker 4: pull it. But I'll take I'll mention the other polls
Speaker 4: which really were spot on. They may not have gotten
Speaker 4: the correct percentages at the at the time, but they
Speaker 4: followed the trajectory. And what clearly if you look at
Speaker 4: the twenty sixteen polls correctly, you see Hillary Clinton going
Speaker 4: from a nine, ten to eleven point lead ten days
Speaker 4: before the election to a one two three point lead
Speaker 4: in each of those battleground states, or even a tie
Speaker 4: or deficit like Michigan or North Carolina. And so the
Speaker 4: trajectory was going against Hillary Clinton. So it really didn't
Speaker 4: surprise me that the next day she won the popular vote,
Speaker 4: but she lost many of those battleground states. I'm not
Speaker 4: so concerned on my end about a hidden Trump vote
Speaker 4: because I've been doing this for forty years and I
Speaker 4: have always found, from the early days the landline telephones,
Speaker 4: Republicans seem to be less inclined to answer polls, and
Speaker 4: same thing with online polls as well. So I build
Speaker 4: into my polling sample awaiting mechanism that automatically bumps the
Speaker 4: percentage of Republicans up a couple of points to reflect
Speaker 4: what I believe will be the electorate on either having
Speaker 4: voted already or on election day. So I'm not worried
Speaker 4: about that hidden Trump vote. I think I've got it covered.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's talk about I've been saying on air, I
Speaker 2: would hope that, however the election turned out, there was
Speaker 2: a decisive victory. I don't expect a LinkedIn Johnson type
Speaker 2: landslide or Richard Nixon Ronald Reagan forty nine to one landslide.
Speaker 2: But I was hoping it'd be decisive to diminish the
Speaker 2: hard feelings that I fear a close election will result in.
Speaker 2: It sounds to me at this point that my hope
Speaker 2: for a decisive victory in either direction is not likely.
Speaker 4: Well, we don't have any evidence of that yet, Dan.
Speaker 4: Right now it is Razor Sin. The biggest lead in
Speaker 4: any of the battleground states is Donald Trump leading in
Speaker 4: Georgia by about two and a half percentage points. But
Speaker 4: a more recent poll has the two of them tied.
Speaker 6: And so.
Speaker 4: We're not finding a trend line breaking one way or another.
Speaker 4: But this is Friday night, and I can point to
Speaker 4: two elections, the nineteen eighty election Carter versus Reagan, where
Speaker 4: the dam burst over the weekend of that election and
Speaker 4: by Monday, the photos of Jimmy Carter was showing him despondent.
Speaker 4: There were no public polls published, but privately Carter's polls
Speaker 4: showed that he was going to lose in a landslide
Speaker 4: the damn broke. And then in twenty twelve, something that
Speaker 4: is relevant to your listeners, particularly in Massachusetts, is that
Speaker 4: Obama and Romney was a razorsin race right on up
Speaker 4: to that weekend. I polled that race, and I started
Speaker 4: to see younger voters who had been disappointed in Barack
Speaker 4: Obama's first term saying they're coming out to vote and
Speaker 4: breaking big, particularly young women, towards Obama.
Speaker 6: And then, as you.
Speaker 4: Know, in the electoral college and popular vote, it was
Speaker 4: really a landslide, but it had.
Speaker 3: Been fulled.
Speaker 2: Twenty twelve in retrospect. Which stunned me was that President
Speaker 2: Obama actually won more popular vote. He won sixty nine
Speaker 2: million popular votes in two thousand and eight, and he's
Speaker 2: one of the few presidents who had his popular vote
Speaker 2: number drop by about four million.
Speaker 3: I think I'm right in these numbers.
Speaker 2: John, he only against Romney won sixty five million votes, right.
Speaker 2: Romney did not build on the McCain number at all.
Speaker 2: And that, to me was was really mystifying because you
Speaker 2: know Romney, we knew him in Massachusetts.
Speaker 3: He had been pretty effective here.
Speaker 2: And if someone had told me the weekend before that
Speaker 2: President Obama was going to be down five four million votes,
Speaker 2: I would have bet a lot of money that Mitt
Speaker 2: Romney was going to win, but those votes went away,
Speaker 2: but they didn't go to the polls for Mitt Romney.
Speaker 2: So I don't know if there's a lesson here. I
Speaker 2: think it's going to be very tough for Vice President
Speaker 2: Harris to get to the eighty one million figure because
Speaker 2: Joe Biden, you know, he he's he won the most
Speaker 2: popular votes of any president in history, eighty one million.
Speaker 4: Votes, and it was a far different Joe Biden in
Speaker 4: twenty twenty. He was Uncle Joe, and he had that
Speaker 4: he had the tragedies in his life. You know, twenty
Speaker 4: four percent of likely voters has had one or two
Speaker 4: major personal catastrophes in their lives. I found this out
Speaker 4: for my own polling, and in that regard, Joe Biden
Speaker 4: was able to bond with people. He had a leveling
Speaker 4: experience that people could identify with, which you know, he
Speaker 4: lost frankly and by twenty twenty four. You know, we
Speaker 4: don't have to go into that. And I'm not sure
Speaker 4: Kamala Harris has that kind of leveling experience, especially to
Speaker 4: given the fact that she was really trashed by her
Speaker 4: own party throughout her vice presidency. In fact, one of
Speaker 4: the last minute efforts that the White House officials, campaign
Speaker 4: I should say campaign officials were making to keep Biden
Speaker 4: in the race was, God, you don't want Cammel to
Speaker 4: be the nominee. And then all of a sudden, late
Speaker 4: July happens she's the nominee. And you know, that's a
Speaker 4: very short period to cover all those battleground states and
Speaker 4: to define yourself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's it's going to be fascinating. My guess
Speaker 2: is John Zogby. If you'd like to talk to John,
Speaker 2: I'm going to give you the number and you get
Speaker 2: it down quickly because he's going to be gone by
Speaker 2: ten thirty. He's going to be a busy guy this weekend.
Speaker 2: And I still appreciate him spending any time with us.
Speaker 2: Six one, seven, two, five four, ten thirty six one seven,
Speaker 2: nine three one, ten thirty. If you get in right now,
Speaker 2: I can get you on with John Zogby.
Speaker 3: We'll be back.
Speaker 2: Any question you'd like to ask. I think he stated
Speaker 2: it pretty clearly that as of now, there is no
Speaker 2: clear conclusion that he's been able to draw. I look
Speaker 2: at all the other posters, and I think that they
Speaker 2: are in consensus on this. But he did say that Hey,
Speaker 2: sometimes in the final weekend before an election, and he
Speaker 2: cites a couple of years, nineteen eighty and twenty twelve,
Speaker 2: the undecided's break. I guess my counter argument would be,
Speaker 2: I don't know how many undeciders are still out there.
Speaker 2: That'll be my question coming back for John Zogby. Have
Speaker 2: we exhausted the bucket of undecided? We'll be back on
Speaker 2: Nightside with some phone calls and some more conversation with
Speaker 2: John Zogby as we we go into the weekend before
Speaker 2: the election of twenty twenty four. We only do this
Speaker 2: every four years, everyone, so this is a really important
Speaker 2: period of.
Speaker 3: Time in our history.
Speaker 2: Back on Nightside right after this, It's night Side.
Speaker 4: With Dan Ray.
Speaker 1: Hey Dan, WBZ Boston's News Radio. Now back to Dan
Speaker 1: Ray live from the Window World Nightside Studios on WBZ
Speaker 1: News Radio.
Speaker 2: Before we get to a couple of calls and we will,
Speaker 2: I promise John Zogby, are there any undecided's, truly undecideds
Speaker 2: left in this race?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 4: There are? And to be really, it's so much they're
Speaker 4: going to vote for Trump or Harris.
Speaker 7: It's whether or not.
Speaker 4: They vote at all. And a lower voter turnout really
Speaker 4: is an advantage for Donald Trump. Harris, on the other hand,
Speaker 4: needs to get young women out to vote, working hard
Speaker 4: to do that, but she needs as big account as
Speaker 4: she can get.
Speaker 2: And none of the controversies of the last few days
Speaker 2: seem to have had an impact. I watched these polls,
Speaker 2: maybe not as closely as you, but I try to
Speaker 2: watch them closely, and I don't see much movement in
Speaker 2: the last few days, certainly not.
Speaker 4: On a global level, not in the national polls were
Speaker 4: for that that are really in the states, you know,
Speaker 4: on a micro level, if we're getting down to one
Speaker 4: point or you know, a few hundred or a few
Speaker 4: thousand votes differential between the two candidates. Yes, some angry
Speaker 4: Puerto Ricans, to be sure, can make a difference. Yes,
Speaker 4: some angry era Americans in Michigan and in Pennsylvania can
Speaker 4: certainly make a difference.
Speaker 2: All right, We're going to go to phone calls, and again,
Speaker 2: John Jogby, thank you so much for your time here.
Speaker 2: I'm going to ask both of these callers who I'm
Speaker 2: going to be trying to get to it. Let me
Speaker 2: start off with Tom and Lynn Massachusetts. Tom quick question,
Speaker 2: direct question for John Zogby, If you will, sir, go
Speaker 2: right ahead.
Speaker 8: Okay. Three things, will hang up and listen. One, what's
Speaker 8: his vote Jewish voters doing?
Speaker 7: Two?
Speaker 8: Do you ever consider ranked choice voting in your polling process?
Speaker 8: And the third one is can you talk a little
Speaker 8: about super voters? That's say thank you?
Speaker 2: Okay, let's start with Jewish voters. First, what's going on
Speaker 2: with Jewish voters?
Speaker 4: John, The only poll I've seen about three weeks ago
Speaker 4: shows Jewish voters. It's seventy one percent for Harris, twenty
Speaker 4: six percent for Trump. Dan, that's about average. We haven't
Speaker 4: seen any real opment there. The second question was the
Speaker 4: second question was.
Speaker 2: Ranked choice voting, which I don't think really applies. You
Speaker 2: can pass on that one if you want. I understand
Speaker 2: what rank choice voting is, butl go ahead.
Speaker 4: I put it in locales and it's a very popular
Speaker 4: idea wherever I polled it. But yeah, it's not relevant here, okay.
Speaker 2: And then so called super voters, So people who I
Speaker 2: guess are always voting. Those are the voters, the best
Speaker 2: voters that the campaigns like to identify the people who
Speaker 2: you know are going to vote every time.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and.
Speaker 4: Those folks are at a time, which is where the
Speaker 4: non super voters are too. We're not getting really any
Speaker 4: clues here.
Speaker 2: Dan. All right, well, you know, hey, as you said,
Speaker 2: we still have some time. Let me go next to
Speaker 2: Paul in Wilkesbury, Pennsylvania. The a town of the New
Speaker 2: York Yankees and the New York Yankees is going to
Speaker 2: need some help next year to get over the hump.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, Paul. We're not talking baseball. You're talking polls
Speaker 2: with John Zogby. Garrett Ahead.
Speaker 6: Dan, thank you for taking my call.
Speaker 5: My question is on John, as you were talking about
Speaker 5: the twenty twelve election with Mitt Romney and Barack Obama.
Speaker 5: This is just my theory. I'll run up by John.
Speaker 5: I think the fact that Mike Huckabee stayed in the
Speaker 5: ray so long in the primary and he turned the
Speaker 5: evangelical voters the instiment Rodney, but he was a warmon
Speaker 5: he was in Romney. You know, we can say what
Speaker 5: you want about it, but there's no reason to day
Speaker 5: to the matter of religion. And Mike Kkaby did that
Speaker 5: roundabout way. He's scared off a lot of it in
Speaker 5: the evangelical vote by the time he ran against Barack Obama,
Speaker 5: who I did vote for that election in twenty twenty
Speaker 5: voting for President Obama is he got a lotted in
Speaker 5: a few years and I was discussed with the Republicans
Speaker 5: at the time. But my question for John is does
Speaker 5: he think that need to do it? Rodney losing the
Speaker 5: fact that Mike Knkaby stayed in the primary, that a
Speaker 5: lot of estavaged him, and all this stuff, the art
Speaker 5: thank you sers.
Speaker 4: Okay, my base was what we're Christian evangelical voters and
Speaker 4: this is uh, Romney underperformed among evangelical voters. But I
Speaker 4: think you're correct. I think that huckelby staying in the
Speaker 4: race allowed that let's call it Romney hostility or anti
Speaker 4: Romney sentiment to kind of congeal a little bit and
Speaker 4: damp and turn out for him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but again coming back, so let's come back to
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, and that is I know why Donald Trump, Well,
Speaker 2: it seems to me that the best thing that Donald
Speaker 2: Trump could do tomorrow would be to bring Nikki Haley
Speaker 2: out with him to event after event after event in Pennsylvania, Michigan,
Speaker 2: and Wisconsin. Pretty clear it's not going to happen. Do
Speaker 2: you think that if you sat across the table as
Speaker 2: a pollster and you said to Trump, if you bring
Speaker 2: Haley out for the next two days, you're going to
Speaker 2: win this election. If you don't bring her out, you're
Speaker 2: going to lose it. Do you think that would change
Speaker 2: Trump's mind? I just think that Trump is ignoring a
Speaker 2: possibility here. And I don't understand why Nikki Haley has
Speaker 2: not She's willing to appear with Trump, and he has
Speaker 2: not accepted that that overture.
Speaker 4: He's obviously a very proud man, and she had the
Speaker 4: audacity to challenge him, and even worse, she had the
Speaker 4: audacity to get a considerable amount of votes in states
Speaker 4: where she was already off the ballot and out of
Speaker 4: the race. And so I could say that to Donald Trump,
Speaker 4: but I don't have any sense at all that he
Speaker 4: would hear a word that I was saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's a blind spot. It's almost like you
Speaker 2: know a professional athlete who has a blind spot and
Speaker 2: they just can't get over it. And I think that
Speaker 2: if if he loses, and as a pretty good possibility
Speaker 2: he is going to lose, that that's going to be
Speaker 2: the obituary, the political obittion. Worry that he chose that
Speaker 2: he would prefer to lose without Haley then to win
Speaker 2: with him. Do you agree with me that if Haley
Speaker 2: actually appeared with him at several campaign stops in the
Speaker 2: next two or three days, that could be an instrumental
Speaker 2: in a close race for him to actually achieve victory.
Speaker 3: I would agree with that.
Speaker 4: You know, Harris is vigorously going after Haley voters, and
Speaker 4: yet these are still conservative voters who have some questions
Speaker 4: about Kamala Harrison voting for Kamala Harris. What I don't
Speaker 4: see Trump doing is adding on. You know, he gets
Speaker 4: forty six percent of the vote the last two times
Speaker 4: he runs. This time he's pulling about forty seven eight percent.
Speaker 4: But he's got to get additional votes somewhere, and I
Speaker 4: don't see where he's building.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if he's if he gets to forty
Speaker 2: eight and this is by four percent, and I don't
Speaker 2: know if there's how big a vote Jill Stein or
Speaker 2: Cornell West or the libertarian candidate, but he kind of
Speaker 2: he won't win with forty eight. If he gets the
Speaker 2: forty nine percent of the popular vote, he could he
Speaker 2: could win the electoral vote. In my opinion, I think
Speaker 2: that's that differential between forty eight and forty nine is critical,
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna ask you the question again and try
Speaker 2: to put you in the record if if, somehow, some
Speaker 2: way tomorrow morning he woke up and said, bring Haley,
Speaker 2: I want Haley with me, and she decided to go.
Speaker 2: Could that be a difference maker for him?
Speaker 4: From in your real it would be it's the racist close.
Speaker 4: Trump is very close. He needs to add voters somewhere
Speaker 4: and there. You ask about the undecided, that there are
Speaker 4: a considerable number of Nicky Haley voters that detest Donald
Speaker 4: Trump or have questions about him and not ready to
Speaker 4: vote for Kamala Harris. You know this would be a
Speaker 4: bridge building thing. But remember one point I need to
Speaker 4: make is given the electoral college, in the popular vote nationally,
Speaker 4: Kamala Harrison needs to be leading by about three points
Speaker 4: in order to you know, feel comfortable about winning in
Speaker 4: the battleground states. Remember she gets a lot of excess
Speaker 4: Democratic votes in California, New York, Illinois, you know, very
Speaker 4: blue states. The extra votes she doesn't need to win
Speaker 4: the electoral college.
Speaker 2: And we could throw Massachusetts into that category as well. Absolutely, yeah,
Speaker 2: John Zogby, I thank you so much. You know it's
Speaker 2: going to be a very interesting time for all of us,
Speaker 2: and I know that that you are going to be
Speaker 2: in the middle of it. Again, I thank you for
Speaker 2: your your kindness, and again the Zogby webinar is available
Speaker 2: at noontime on a subscription basis. All they have to
Speaker 2: do is go to I believe you said, Jeremy at
Speaker 2: Zogby's Strategies. Jeremy is your son, Jeremy at Zogby Strategies.
Speaker 4: Dot com, Jeremy Zogby Strategies, Jeremy at John Strategies.
Speaker 2: Okay, great, Jeremy at John Zogby Strategies. That's an important difference.
Speaker 2: And just or just google on John Zogby and it'll
Speaker 2: get you there as well. John Zogby, thank you so much.
Speaker 2: As always. Happy election Day.
Speaker 3: To you, my friend, You too, my friend.
Speaker 4: Take care all right?
Speaker 3: Thanks?
Speaker 2: All right, Now we're going to open up the lines,
Speaker 2: and I want to the next I want to spend
Speaker 2: the next half hour between now to eleven o'clock on
Speaker 2: a question. And the question is why is Donald Trump
Speaker 2: not taking the opportunity of having NICKI Haley with him
Speaker 2: in the.
Speaker 3: Final days of this race. I know that most of
Speaker 3: you are.
Speaker 2: Who want to respond to this or Trump voters, But
Speaker 2: I'd like to hear from both Trump and Harris voters.
Speaker 2: For the Harris voters, I ask, do you fear that
Speaker 2: or are you so convinced that he won't do it?
Speaker 2: You don't fear it? And if you're a Trump voter,
Speaker 2: why would your candidate not be smart enough to basically
Speaker 2: put his ego in his back pocket for a couple
Speaker 2: of days and bring out the one opponent I was Trump,
Speaker 2: I would bring DeSantis, Rubio, all of them, and particularly
Speaker 2: Nicki Haley. This is a question of it's all on
Speaker 2: the line here and is his ego so overwhelming that
Speaker 2: he couldnt even acknowledge that that maybe he can't win
Speaker 2: this election on his own? That's my question. I will
Speaker 2: have a different question at eleven o'clock tonight in the
Speaker 2: twentieth hour. It will also deal with the election. So
Speaker 2: for now, for the next hour and a half, we're
Speaker 2: going to talk about the election. But I want to
Speaker 2: frame the question for you. If you're a Trump supporter
Speaker 2: and you could advise your candidate Nikki Haley on the
Speaker 2: campaign trail for the next.
Speaker 3: Three days, yes or no? What say you?
Speaker 2: If you're a Harris supporter, do you worry or are
Speaker 2: you so convinced that Donald Trump's ego will not permit
Speaker 2: this that it does it.
Speaker 3: It's not even on your radar screen.
Speaker 2: We'll be back on Night's side six one, seven, two, five,
Speaker 2: four ten thirty six one seven, nine three one ten thirty.
Speaker 2: Then we will have a different, another challenging question, politically
Speaker 2: challenging question at eleven tonight in the twentieth hour. I've
Speaker 2: thought about it. We're going to in effect you a
Speaker 2: focus group at eleven o'clock. I will explain. And again remember,
Speaker 2: even if you call earlier this week, you have a
Speaker 2: hall pass in the twentieth.
Speaker 3: Hour, in the eleven o'clock hour, back on Nightside after
Speaker 3: this Night Side.
Speaker 2: With Dan ray On.
Speaker 1: Don youbzy Boston's News Radio. You're on night Side with
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Speaker 3: Okay, here's my theory in the race.
Speaker 2: And I've said this from the get go, and I
Speaker 2: know that some of you who are Trump supporters will
Speaker 2: be pleased, will be displeased to hear this. I'm not
Speaker 2: sure that Donald Trump can get fifty percent of the vote.
Speaker 2: I'm not even sure you can get forty eight percent
Speaker 2: of the vote. John Zogby alluded to that last hour.
Speaker 2: Unless Trump can get at least forty eight or forty
Speaker 2: nine percent of the popular vote, he will not win
Speaker 2: the electoral college vote. He was able to do that
Speaker 2: with Hillary Clinton in twenty sixteen. And I have said
Speaker 2: all along, and I'll stick with what I've said all
Speaker 2: along in the past. Donald Trump has surprised me. After
Speaker 2: the Billy Bush broadcast tape was exposed back in twenty sixteen,
Speaker 2: I felt it was imperative for Trump to walk away
Speaker 2: from the race. He chose not to, and he surprised
Speaker 2: us all What surprised me in defeating Hillary Clinton. Now,
Speaker 2: that race was messed up on a number of different
Speaker 2: times by James Comy, the FBI director, a couple of
Speaker 2: times that seemed to help Hillary Clinton and a couple
Speaker 2: of times that seemed to help Donald Trump. And I
Speaker 2: think that was the weakness of Comby that I think
Speaker 2: he was very much involved politically, much much too close politically.
Speaker 2: But I've said all along, could Trump win the nomination? Yeah,
Speaker 2: he could because he's the strongest Republican. He has a
Speaker 2: base that within the Republican Party. But I have not
Speaker 2: felt that with all the baggage that he's carrying that
Speaker 2: he would win an election that I've gone back and
Speaker 2: forth on the In my mind, certainly after looking at
Speaker 2: the debate with Joe Biden in late June, it was
Speaker 2: apparent to me that Joe Biden couldn't win, and if
Speaker 2: Joe Biden couldn't win, that would mean Donald Trump would win.
Speaker 2: The Democrats came to that conclusion pretty quickly, and they
Speaker 2: obviously have now nominated the Vice president Harris. She is
Speaker 2: a weak Democratic candidate. I cannot think of a weaker
Speaker 2: Democratic candidate for a whole bunch of reasons. Her background
Speaker 2: and the positions that she took in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 3: We know all of those.
Speaker 2: She was against fracking, she was in favor of transgender
Speaker 2: surgery for inmates, for prison inmates. It's almost like a
Speaker 2: benefit of going to prison. She wanted to get to
Speaker 2: EV cars mandate EV's on and on and on and on.
Speaker 2: But she's hanging in there. I don't know how many
Speaker 2: people unless something gets something happens over the weekend. And
Speaker 2: my argument is that the thing that the Trump could do,
Speaker 2: the old the thing that only that Trump could control,
Speaker 2: former President Trump could control, would be to reconcile with
Speaker 2: Nicki Haley and bring Nicki Haley out on the campaign
Speaker 2: trail with him. I think that could potentially put him
Speaker 2: over the top. But failing that, I think he's going
Speaker 2: to be close. And it's stunning, stunning that he is
Speaker 2: still this close. But I don't think he can win
Speaker 2: the general election without Nikki a presence of Nicki Haley
Speaker 2: on at some campaign stops, you can agree or disagree.
Speaker 2: Let's go to Bill and Norfolk. Bill, you were next
Speaker 2: this hour on Nightside.
Speaker 9: Go right ahead, Yeah, Dan if I was counseling the
Speaker 9: President Trump and I am supporting him this time. I
Speaker 9: was absolutely bring out Mario, bring out Nikki, bring out
Speaker 9: the Santas. In twenty sixteen, he was my seventeenth pick
Speaker 9: out of the seventeen people we had running, you know.
Speaker 9: And in twenty twenty and I voted for arm eventually
Speaker 9: voted for him. In twenty twenty. I was with Tim
Speaker 9: Scott this time, gave him money. I went to Desantas
Speaker 9: and then I went to Nikki and now I'm with
Speaker 9: with Trump. But he needs to bring the middle of
Speaker 9: the road sort of moderate Republicans out. This weekend Saturday Sunday, Monday,
Speaker 9: and they need to make the case. It's a pretty
Speaker 9: pretty reasonable case. I think I disagree with you on
Speaker 9: the popular voie irrelevant. Man, it's going to come down
Speaker 9: to about ten thousand votes in Pennsylvania, and if he
Speaker 9: wins that, he wins this whole event. He could absolutely
Speaker 9: before the Febber.
Speaker 2: No, I do understand that. But what I'm saying to
Speaker 2: you is when you even when you way in that
Speaker 2: California is going to be overwhelming for Harris, as John
Speaker 2: Zogby just reference. Everyone knows that Illinois, Massachusetts, Maryland, these
Speaker 2: are states where like in a football season, the team
Speaker 2: runs up, you know, a forty eight to ten victory.
Speaker 2: In the old days, the Patriots beat the Jets forty
Speaker 2: eight to ten, but they will then had to face
Speaker 2: a good NFC team, And that's the same situation he
Speaker 2: faces now. The question is not.
Speaker 3: The question is.
Speaker 2: He's got to somehow keep he Look it realistically, you
Speaker 2: can take all of the California votes and the excess
Speaker 2: Illinois votes, and the Maryland votes and the Massachusetts votes.
Speaker 2: Then he wins some states big. He wins a big
Speaker 2: vote in Florida, maybe he wins a big vote in Texas,
Speaker 2: he wins some big votes in places like Alabama, Mississippi,
Speaker 2: West Virginia, so all of those kind of balance off.
Speaker 2: So he can lose the popular vote.
Speaker 6: If he's forty eight, of course, but if.
Speaker 2: He's forty seven and she's fifty three, the math won't work.
Speaker 9: And I don't think the polls are telling us that.
Speaker 9: I think it's closer. I think it's jumpall. It's really
Speaker 9: one of the blue all states, and I think it's Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2: Well, but he's also got to carry he's got to
Speaker 2: win Georgia, he's got to win North Carolina. I mean,
Speaker 2: no one has to win all seven, but the more
Speaker 2: important states. You know, Nevada is not as populous as Georgia,
Speaker 2: and so it's right, there's all sorts of variations and
Speaker 2: permutations here that are that are important. But I just
Speaker 2: don't understand for him to be this close, after all
Speaker 2: he has gone through and as much on the line.
Speaker 2: If he loses, he very well well he will be
Speaker 2: prosecuted and he very well may end up in jail. Okay,
Speaker 2: So for him, it's stutterly with you, Yeah, it's not
Speaker 2: only getting re elected and doing something that that only
Speaker 2: one other president Brover Cleveland has ever done have non
Speaker 2: consecutive terms, but his his freedoms as an American citizen
Speaker 2: would be in jeopardy. He gets elected, he can basically
Speaker 2: write off most of this stuff and he's not going
Speaker 2: to be prosecuted, even in the state cases, and they're
Speaker 2: all going to go away.
Speaker 9: Well, I think, Kamala, you were right, And Kamala, she's
Speaker 9: by far the worst candidate. And I'm probably three or
Speaker 9: four years younger than you, by far the worst candidate
Speaker 9: of my lifetime.
Speaker 6: As a president.
Speaker 9: I mean, she she can't speak.
Speaker 6: It's unbelievable.
Speaker 9: It's really unbelievable.
Speaker 2: And the fact that that she's that she's holding at
Speaker 2: that close says to me, can he get to forty
Speaker 2: eight or forty nine?
Speaker 9: Again? You know it's not her, Dan, it's if it
Speaker 9: was a door knob, it'll be fifty to fifty against Trump.
Speaker 9: Caps out of this country, aged Trump.
Speaker 3: But right, But what I'm saying is.
Speaker 2: No, I understand that, But you're going to vote him
Speaker 2: because because you agree with his policies. But he now
Speaker 2: has to he has to, in my opinion, reach out
Speaker 2: to Nikki Haley and sign a peace treaty. She's indicated
Speaker 2: to him. She's endorsed him, she's campaigned for him, she's
Speaker 2: campaigned for the Republicans. She didn't go away, she hasn't
Speaker 2: gone away and hid hid. She's out there.
Speaker 9: She's he's just so egotistical. He can't put it away, Dan,
Speaker 9: you can't.
Speaker 2: Well, well then that if he can't put it away,
Speaker 2: if he can't put the ego away, he may end
Speaker 2: up being put away.
Speaker 3: And he should understand it.
Speaker 9: There's only one person who can speak to that man,
Speaker 9: and it's his son, Donald Jor. And he's going to
Speaker 9: get to the guys and say, hey, you need to
Speaker 9: see his dad and do it now.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: And I get if he waits till Monday, it'll be
Speaker 2: too late because this it's got to soak in for
Speaker 2: a couple of days. Hey, Bill Love you call me man.
Speaker 2: Please continue to listen. We'll talk soon. Okay, thanks all.
Speaker 2: Coming right back on the other side, I got James
Speaker 2: and Roxbury, Rochelle and Weymouth and then we go to
Speaker 2: the twentieth hour back on Nightside.
Speaker 3: Right after this Night Side with Dan Ray on.
Speaker 1: Boston's News. Now back to Dan Ray Live from the
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Speaker 2: Okay, getting everybody in, gonna go to James in Roxbury,
Speaker 2: James next on Nightsider, right ahead.
Speaker 6: Well, hi, okay, I'll do your thing real quick.
Speaker 4: With Trump, I mean you called him Trump.
Speaker 6: Anyway, that's his name, James Trump. He needs now who
Speaker 6: to help him out. Yes, I voted for Harris, but
Speaker 6: be honest with you, I already know she can't do
Speaker 6: a thing, but I voted for her anyway. She's much
Speaker 6: safer than Trump. Yes, he desperately needs her army, desperately
Speaker 6: because she did bow down, she did kiss the ring.
Speaker 6: So she's now a supporter. But he's not gonna put
Speaker 6: her in because, like you said, his ego is way
Speaker 6: too high. Look, he had all these other women. He
Speaker 6: could have had Cheney his daughter, he could have had
Speaker 6: Arnold Palmer's daughter and everybody else. But when it comes
Speaker 6: to a woman, he seems to degrade them and beat
Speaker 6: them down. He forgot guess what. He didn't come into
Speaker 6: a world without a woman.
Speaker 2: So there's a lot of women who he has who
Speaker 2: were supporting. I mean, he has a lot of women
Speaker 2: who supported him. I think that's and I think that
Speaker 2: Mark Cuban has insulted a lot of women on that.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, Kaylie Mcananey, I don't know if you
Speaker 2: remember his press secretary, Harvard Law School, pretty smart lady
Speaker 2: Sarah Sanders, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, who went from his press
Speaker 2: secretary to becoming the governor of Arkansas. She's pretty smart.
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, they're all smart. I'm not denying
Speaker 6: as smart. I'm just saying any want any woman that
Speaker 6: seemed to have an education. He doesn't want any woman
Speaker 6: that seems to be strong. He doesn't.
Speaker 2: Harvard Law School is a pretty good education.
Speaker 6: Mc No, I'm saying they're not.
Speaker 5: I'm green.
Speaker 6: They're all super smart, but they're super opinionated. They're super
Speaker 6: strong as well as educated.
Speaker 2: You can't, Okay, all right, all right, James, so you think,
Speaker 2: but so you don't think that he will he will
Speaker 2: ask Nikki.
Speaker 3: Hayley to help him.
Speaker 6: I stand up better chance of being president.
Speaker 4: And I was not born in this country.
Speaker 3: Hey, James is always a he too.
Speaker 6: Then, yes, everybody said President Kamal is not that good.
Speaker 6: But guess what at one time everybody said it was
Speaker 6: President Biden. So I think, well, I think I don't
Speaker 6: think he's going to go down to history.
Speaker 3: Is a great president, James.
Speaker 2: Remember President Biden was the guy who said, I'm going
Speaker 2: to bring the country together. I think we're more we're
Speaker 2: more divided now than we've ever been, which I think
Speaker 2: is said.
Speaker 6: I'm not denying. I'm not denying that. But remember also
Speaker 6: Trump said he did great for the black people, and
Speaker 6: remember he called us the black He hasn't done one thing.
Speaker 6: And guess what if you're going to say he did
Speaker 6: what happened in New York, Chicago, Atlanta and every black community,
Speaker 6: even all the states he's named that are black, If
Speaker 6: he did so good, why keep trashing them?
Speaker 2: And that's well, those are all cities run for the
Speaker 2: most part by them. But he said by the Democratic Party.
Speaker 2: But the Chicago and Atlanta and New York are not
Speaker 2: run by the Republican Party. Why is he doing better? James,
Speaker 2: let me ask you this. Why is Trump doing better? Now? Again,
Speaker 2: we'll have to see how the results are on Tuesday,
Speaker 2: but the polls indicate that he's doing better amongst black males.
Speaker 3: Any idea why?
Speaker 6: And I can answer that question and that goescluse me.
Speaker 6: The reason why he's doing good because all of those
Speaker 6: minorities are sick of Democrats because they're weak, they're small.
Speaker 6: They talk a big game and don't do it. So
Speaker 6: we're trying to give them a lesson. Say, hey, we'll
Speaker 6: go to Republicans. Well what we're republicans because now they're
Speaker 6: just maga. I'm in there.
Speaker 2: Let's see see what happens, James. We'll see what happens. Hey, James,
Speaker 2: I got to run here, man, Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: Call more often?
Speaker 4: Will.
Speaker 5: I like you calls.
Speaker 2: You know that we don't silly agree on everything, but
Speaker 2: you're a good guy to talk to him.
Speaker 6: Well, you got to teach me things, and I like
Speaker 6: that right back at you.
Speaker 2: James, you teach me things as well, though, don't sell
Speaker 2: yourself short. Thanks buddy, have a good one. Thanks Bob
Speaker 2: and California. Bob, you were next on night Side.
Speaker 5: Welcome, Yes, darn good evening, Dan, good evening.
Speaker 6: I thank you.
Speaker 7: I feel the posters are way out of touch, way
Speaker 7: out of touch, with all due respect, I don't see
Speaker 7: how Kamala I mean, come on, man, she's gonna get
Speaker 7: more popular votes than Trump. No way, I'm gonna say
Speaker 7: right now. Trump's gonna win on a landslide. Three hundred
Speaker 7: electoral votes. He will win in an absolute landslide, because what.
Speaker 2: Percentage of the vote do you suspect Trump can amass?
Speaker 8: Uh?
Speaker 7: Fifty five percent?
Speaker 6: Maybe?
Speaker 2: Well, that that would buy today's standards, would be a landslide.
Speaker 2: How smart would he be to finally say to Nicki Haley,
Speaker 2: let's bury the hatchet.
Speaker 3: Come on out.
Speaker 2: I need you to accompany me to a few stops,
Speaker 2: jump on the plane.
Speaker 7: I think Nikki Hily has nothing to do with it.
Speaker 7: She's a warmonger. Okay, nothing, he doesn't need her. I
Speaker 7: was gonna say the three parties, the Democrats, the Republicans,
Speaker 7: and many many Americans who are behind Trump. The Democrats
Speaker 7: are completely out of touch, okay, as the Republican Party.
Speaker 7: Both parties are out of touch with mainstream America. Trump
Speaker 7: is doing well because he resonates with true Americans, like
Speaker 7: people who are working, trying to make a living, take
Speaker 7: care of their families. Donald Trump relates to them, and
Speaker 7: he will do a good job for mainstream Americans. And
Speaker 7: I'm not Donald Trump, but I approved this message.
Speaker 3: Hey, I know you are not Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: Beg you, Bob, as always, we'll talk soon, okay, all right, Okay,
Speaker 2: So for those of you the line, Rochelle and Sandra,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna ask you to stay there because they don't
Speaker 2: want to short change you. I am going to go
Speaker 2: to break eleven o'clock News when we come back. I
Speaker 2: want to hear from people, and Rachelle and Sandraw I
Speaker 2: want to hear from you. Okay, so stay there, But
Speaker 2: I here's what I want to do in the eleven
Speaker 2: o'clock News. I want to know who are you going
Speaker 2: to vote for and if you're worried that your candidate
Speaker 2: can win. Bob would not qualify for eleven okay, because
Speaker 2: he's going to vote for Trump and he's convinced he's
Speaker 2: going to win. I want to know what anxieties are
Speaker 2: people feeling and will kind of get them out, will
Speaker 2: help you get through the weekend. Let's let's let's expose
Speaker 2: your anxieties and talk about them. I'll explain more fully
Speaker 2: right after the eleven