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Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Shirley You Can't

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Be Serious Podcast. We are here for a very special

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episode today.

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Speaker 2: We are joined by.

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Speaker 1: Our super fan, not just a fan, but a super

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fan and Patreon.

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Speaker 2: Members Amanda Jenic. How are you doing, Amanda?

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Speaker 3: I'm good. How about you, guys?

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Speaker 2: We are doing great? Thank you doing awesome? Is my

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lipstick red enough? Is my lascara on the right way?

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Do I look the part?

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Speaker 3: Look the part?

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Speaker 2: I look like Edward scissarsans? How's my hair?

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Speaker 3: My good.

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Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen.

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Speaker 1: We are here today to talk about The Cure and

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more specifically their album from nineteen eighty nine, Disintegration. We

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are doing this well because Amanda bought us out.

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Speaker 2: Hey Amanda, you came on in June. I looked back

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on Facebook and you had created a little sign that said, hey, everybody,

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go listen to the Shirley Camp Be Serious podcast. Oh

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and by the way, beg Dean Jason to cover The

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Cure versus depeesch Mode. Yes, I did, and you won

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our hearts at that moment.

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Speaker 3: I love it.

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Speaker 2: It was absolutely awesome. To be honest, this is a

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little bit uncharted for de and I. This is not

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our sweet spot, and that's why we brought you on

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and why we're gonna lean on you today to help

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us out with the Cure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm ready, I'm gonna sit down. You just tell

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us what happened. Okay, we're here to talk about the Cure.

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But the Cure is a band of copious, voluminous members,

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but the only constant throughout the history of the band

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a brilliant musician. There's no other man in the world

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that I would rather buy a vo five hot oil

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gift basket for mister Robert Smith. Jason, you said it.

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This is not only I'm gonna be honest here. I

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know that I've got some people who are Cure fans

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who are tuning in. I've had some of our regular

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fans go I can't wait to hear what you've got

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to say about this. I'm gonna tell you the truth.

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I'm gonna be completely honest at this point. I'm glad

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we have a super fan on because The Cure is

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one of the few bands in my life that when

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people are like, oh, I'm like, I don't like them,

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I do not like But having gone through this process,

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having listened to this album, having listened to some of

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their other music. I can say at this point my

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mind has been changed.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you're kind of showing your hand early.

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Speaker 3: Aren't you.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, we've got we've got another group that

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we're going to compare this to. We're going to talk

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about depeche Mode later on. And they also were not

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in there in my wheelhouse, but they are definitely more

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in my wheelhouse than The Cure.

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Speaker 2: Ever was right.

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Speaker 1: But my experience with The Cure was seeing Robert Smith

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and his weird tarantula hair and eyeliner in the late

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eighties and early nineties when they were becoming big on MTV,

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and it wasn't a turn on for me at all.

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I was just like, this is just weird. We call

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them emos back then. The songs that I heard, we're

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not songs that I like. But this is an absolutely

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true story. When we got with our last episode and

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it was time to finally start focusing on The Cure,

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I put this album on. I started driving home and

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literally within the first two minutes of the first song,

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I was calling up Jason, going, I actually really like this,

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this is actually really good. So thank you, Amanda, You've

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turned me and so I have to say thank you.

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I have really enjoyed this album and I can't wait

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to talk to you guys in detail about the band

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and of course this epic, epic album.

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Speaker 3: That's fantastic. Another win for me because my husband was

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exactly the same. He did not like The Cure at all,

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but all he really knew was the radio stuff like

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you know on Friday, I'm in Love. That man hates

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that song. And once I started playing more of the

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catalog for him and stop, like his mind was changed.

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And then we just saw The Cure live this summer

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when I did the sign in June. And he's a

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musician and he plays bass and stop, he is now

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a big, big, big fan.

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Speaker 2: Can we settle something real quick before we go any further.

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Are we calling him the Cure or the Cure? Are

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you making fun of my pronounciation saying we bring on

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Miss Wisconsin and you're the one pronouncing it funny? It's

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the cure? Okay, there we go.

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Speaker 1: It's the Cure, the Cure, Cure, Cure, I don't know, Okay,

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it's nuclear. Okay, So let's jump in. Let's start talking

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about the band. This is a band that basically you

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could say was the origin of gothrock. I was in

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love with the movie The Crow back in nineteen ninety four,

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I think is when it came out, and James Obarr

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had a specific reference to the cure and joy division

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getting him through this difficult spot in his life. That

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was what The Crow was based on, and so I

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understood the concept back then. But even then, other than

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that song, I do enjoy the song in the movie

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The Crow that they have, which is one where he's

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like punching the mirror and putting on the makeup for

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the first time. Uh yeah, I love it. I love

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that song. But it's always been Robert Smith's voice that

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I was just kind of mah about, especially with their

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more popular songs. So Robert was born back in nineteen

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fifty nine in Blackpool, England. We all probably remember what

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it was like to turn twenty nine and realize that

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in a year you would be thirty and so if

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you were a brilliant musician and you tried to put

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those feelings to music while also taking copious amounts of LSD, well,

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this is the album you get, and that's called Disintegration.

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Speaker 2: Initially we were going to do kiss Me kiss Me,

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kiss Me, which is their album from nineteen eighty seven.

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But Amanda is like, uh, maybe now, guys, the Cintegration

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is the album we want to do because it's better

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and it matches up better with Depeche Modes Violator that.

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Speaker 3: Yep, it's a far superior album. Even though Kissy Kissy

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kiss Me is my second favorite.

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Speaker 2: Robert Smith considers it his masterpiece.

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Speaker 3: Yep, this is his magnum opus.

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Speaker 2: Fantastic.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So when he was a little kid, his parents

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were musicians and he and his younger sister, Janet I

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received piano lessons and Janet apparently was an absolute prodigy,

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and so because Robert was jealous and had sibling rivalry,

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he decided, well, if she's going to be great at

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the piano, I'm going to be great at the guitar

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because she can't fit her hand around the guitar, and

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so I know that she can't get better than me

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at it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I heard that his first guitar was a Christmas

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gift from his brother, but his brother said he had

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confiscated it from me anyway, so I gave it to

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him as a Christmas gift.

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Speaker 1: But either way, he was going to have it. So

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Robert had started taking lessons from a student of John Williams. No,

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not that John Williams. There are two famous John Williams musicians.

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Star Wars and Superman and all the others. The other

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is John Williams, a classical guitarist, and he is one

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of the most famous classical guitarists of all time. I

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had a John Williams music book growing up. I absolutely did,

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Yes Wow. But he figured out eventually that it just

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Speaker 2: After that.

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Speaker 1: He started a band when he was about fourteen years old,

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right after he officially got the guitar. We've got the band,

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Brolly Goat Band. They also called themselves the obelisk YEP,

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and with the Obelisk that was really that core group

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that started. You had Robert Smith, obviously, you had Mark

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Sicagno on guitar, Michael Dempsey on guitar, Alan Hill on bass,

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and Lowell Tollhurst on percussion. And Lowell's history with the band.

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Speaker 2: Is in oh.

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Speaker 3: I did want to share something interesting with you. Guys.

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His childhood idol was Jimmy Hendricks really yeah, yeah, Jimmy Hendrix.

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his brother Samon, who gave him the guitar, locked him

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in a tent and he couldn't get out of the tent.

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He missed the concert. Jimmy Hendrix passed away like two

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weeks later or something.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, no, that's terrible. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Literally, I was bouncing ideas off of James Buckley on

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the way over here today and he literally sent me

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this songs. So this is the Cure covering Purple Haze

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by Jimmy Hendrix, and it's fantastic. I mean, it's all cure,

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it's all Jimmy Hendrix.

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Speaker 2: I love it. I will tell you this. I called

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James Buckley last night. I called him. I'm like, dude,

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help me out with the cure. And he loves the cure.

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And he's a rock guy, he's a rock drummer. He goes, well,

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I'll tell you what you need to talk to my

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lead singer, lead singer of the world famous Hidden tracks

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Hidden Track. So he gives me he works number, who

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is the singer of Hidden Tracks. He said, this guy

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loves the Cure. He's got tons of stuff. Calling twice

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didn't get ahold of the stuff. So go see Hidden

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Tracks if you're in the Louisiana area. Thanks James Buckley

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for trying to make that happen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well I got some good info from James Buckley

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because I was asking him specifically about Boris Williams, the

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drummer on this album. Okay, so but I'll get into

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that a little bit later, and we start going in

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track by track. Okay, So these guys had this band

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in high school, he said. In high school they just

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called him the group because they were the only guys

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together as a group as a band, So that was

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not terribly creative, but easy to identify. And then by

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nineteen seventy seven they had finally come up with their

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real name, Easy Cure.

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Speaker 2: So throughout this process they have all these different singers.

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loll saying. At some point and Robert Smith's back, They're

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going playing guitar, going. These guys all suck. I hate

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all their voices. Now I hate my own boys, Yeah,

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but I hate my voice about as much as I

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hate their voice, so I might as well sing, and

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so that's how he ends up seeing But.

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Speaker 3: If we're gonna have a sucky singer, it might as

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Speaker 1: So back when they were still Malice, he got kicked

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out of his high school. He got expelled from high

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school because they considered him an undesirable influence after I

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guess they had done a provocative performance as Malice just

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before Christmas nineteen seventy six.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I heard that he wore addressed to school one

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day and the Catholics didn't really enjoy that either.

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Speaker 1: Well, he said it was pretty open minded school, and

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so they were just like, yeah, Okay, it's a phase

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he's going through or whatever. But I think he may

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have inspired others to be even weirder. And his claim

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So anyway, he gets expelled from school. He lives on

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social Security for eight or nine months, and then when

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the money stopped, he thought, well, I guess we better

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make that demo tape.

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Speaker 3: This is going to be a common scene through the

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whole podcast. Robert never wanted a job ever, Like he's

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like my boy Jimmy Buffett, don't work a day in

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your life like you know, but yeah, make the demo

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because he didn't want to get a job.

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Speaker 2: Hey, you know, I was impressed when I went through

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the history of Robert Smith. The Cure was opening for

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Susie and the Banchees, and then right before one of

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their concerts, I guess their guitar player something happened to him.

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He couldn't go, so whit he quits.

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the Banchees quit three days into the tour.

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Speaker 2: So Robert Smith's like, I'll play guitar.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're like yeah, right, And so they went

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Speaker 2: He said, I'll do it as long as the Cure

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can still open for Susie in the Banchees.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, save the opening band by saving the lead band, right.

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Speaker 2: That's it. I think it's cool. They talked about how

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that experience taught him how to be a true front man. Yeah.

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Is that right? Yeah, there you go.

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Speaker 1: Susie's look, not just her performance, but her look were

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what inspired what we now know as the Robert Smith look.

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Speaker 2: Okay, before we get off the early days of The Cure,

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I have to go back to a time when The

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Cure was opening for the band Generation X. Does that

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ring a bell for you? The band Generation X? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Because Generation X is where Billy Idol came from.

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Speaker 2: That's right. So while they're on tour with Generation X, huh,

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Lowell goes into the bathroom to relieve himself and in

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the cull he finds Billy Idol having sex with a groupie,

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and since he cannot be bothered, Lowell just peas on

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Billy Idol's leg while with a groupie drunk.

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Speaker 1: Well, when you gotta go, you gotta go.

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Speaker 2: That got them kicked off the tour way to go.

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Billy wasn't apply happy by that. It was a distraction.

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I'm doing something, dude, don't be on my legs. Tell

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me it's training.

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Speaker 1: So we're talking talking about how awesome a guitarist Robert

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Smith is. When the Banshees were trying to figure out

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who they were going to have replaced like nobody could

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come up and just do it. And when they said, Robert,

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let's see what you can do, he knew their songs already.

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He was able to crank it out. He really, truly

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is a brilliant musician, and he's well known for having

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in his first several albums. Has this Woolworth's Top twenty guitar,

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which is just a cheap, not particularly great guitar that

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he managed to crank out some amazing ethereal sounds from.

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He bought it for twenty pounds in nineteen seventy eight.

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Speaker 1: So by seventy eight seventy nine they condensed their name

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from Easy Cure down to Just the Cure, and Smith

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ends up composing and recording demo versions of some of

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their definitive early songs. He plays it on his sisters

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Ham and Organ with built in tape recorder, including the

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song ten to fifteen Saturday Night.

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Speaker 3: It Was Boys Don't Cry Firing Cairo ten to fifteen

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on a Saturday night and it's not you were their

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four songs on their demo and he was sixteen years old. Wow, sixteen.

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Something else to mention about when they you know, these

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early years or whatever. Mary Pool, She's going to come

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up a lot. But he met her when he was

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fourteen years old and they got married in eighty eight

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and they are still together. He met her when he

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was fourteen. The rumor on the street is their first

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date was going to see the Texas Chainsaw Massacre.

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Speaker 2: I saw a quote in regards to their family they've

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never had children, and I guess somebody asked him and sad,

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why haven't you guys had kids. He's like, well, I

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don't like living enough to have choice. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It's like a deep philosophy with him. Yeah, he feels

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like that becoming a parent is an act of tyranny,

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like you're forcing someone to be born who didn't ask

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to be born.

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Speaker 2: Okay, thanks mom.

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Speaker 1: So they end their tour with Susie and the Banshees

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and he goes back to recording with Strictly the Cure.

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He ends up writing and composing most of the music

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for the album seventeen Seconds, using the Hammond that we mentioned,

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and a drum machine and that top twenty worldworth guitar

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that we talked about. He wrote most of the lyrics

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in one night in Newcastle for that album One night, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: When he was drunk, And that's also a common theme.

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Speaker 2: You know, you and I were talking before we started recording, Amanda.

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The interesting thing about a lot of these songs, maybe

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the whole album is it's not verse verse, fridge chorus verse.

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It's almost poetry with layers of synth and guitar and melody.

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Speaker 1: M h.

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Speaker 2: It's very different than what I'm used to. But I

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was swept away in it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, It's like a circus of the mind. Like I

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told you before, you think a song's going to end,

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and then all of a sudden, Nope, it just gets

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bigger that and all of a sudden, ni crescendo is

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even higher that.

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Speaker 2: The first time I was listening to this, I was like, Okay, great,

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this is an instrumental Nope, just takes four minutes for

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him to start singing.

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Speaker 3: Yah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So for the first four albums, the entire band was

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given songwriting credits.

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Speaker 2: First four albums are Three Imaginary Boys, Seventeen Seconds, Faith,

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and pornography, and.

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Speaker 1: So that was basically every year, right seventy nine, eighty

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eighty one, eighty two, yep. It was another couple of

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years before they came out with the next album, which

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was called The Top nineteen eighty four yep. And then

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later on that year, Andy Anderson, who was their drummer,

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got into a racially motivated incident with a security guard

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and then destroyed a hotel room because of it, and

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so they fired him, okay, And that is when they

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hired Boris Williams, who was the drummer that would be

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on their next couple of albums and the album that

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we're here to talk about today. So the next couple

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in the mix, we've got the Head on the Door.

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Speaker 2: Yep. And then we've got kiss Me, kiss Me, kiss Me.

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Speaker 1: Now, there's another album that's out there called Japanese Whispers,

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and this is their This is like their B sides

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and some of their other stuff. And this was the

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album that I sent to you guys, and I said,

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this is like happy little pop music by the Cure.

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I listened to several of his songs. I'm like, this

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is actually kind of fun. I like like the happy

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Robert Smith.

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Speaker 3: The way we walk, the.

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Speaker 2: Way wait talk, way we stalk.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, he he's a funny guy. He's got a reputation.

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He's a funny bloke if I may, But he's got

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that reputation of just being a goofball. You know, you

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watch the interviews and stuff too. They're mind blowing. They're

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just they're so fun to watch because he's just funny.

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He's cracking jokes, he's making fun of people, makes fun

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of himself like, he's got a great sense of humor.

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Speaker 1: I just got to give credit to him that after

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this many years. I mean, I don't remember when he

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adopted the look for sure, but we're talking about late seventies,

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probably he has not given up the mask era, the

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lipstick or the crazy hair. Like Eddie Van Halen cut

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his hair, David Lee Roth cut his hair, the guys

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from Metallica all cut their hair. Even Lane Staley cut

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his hair. Robert Smith, No, he is, he did.

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Speaker 3: He did at one point. I mean, let you guys,

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I'm just gonna say this. He is hot, Okay, He's

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just a beautiful, beautiful man. And there was a time

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when he got sick of everybody talking about his hair

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because like people would show up to shows and stuff,

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and nothing irritated him more than when you go to

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a show and see all these people dressed like him,

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their hair like him, everything. So he did he'd completely

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cut his hair or whatever, and he hated that even

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more so he just grew it back. But that's probably

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Earl mid eighties maybe. But if you see the pictures

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and stuff, it doesn't look like the same person Smith.

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Speaker 2: I saw that picture and actually James Buckley sent it

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to me. He sent me a comparison. Here's Robert Smith

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in nineteen eighty six, clean cut, collared shirt and a

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picture of Ben Affleck right next to him. It looked

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like twins.

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Speaker 1: Wow, I can see it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but interesting note you were talking about, you know,

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their first couple albums and stuff. I don't know if

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you guys read about this at all, but stef teen Seconds,

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Faith and Pornography. They're considered the Suicide trilogy because it's

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three records together that are the most depressing records you

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will ever listen to in your life, especially Faith. Like

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I tell people, don't listen to the Faith album, not

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George Michael's Faith, but their Faith. Don't listen to that.

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If you're not in the right mindset, because if you're

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depressed already or whatever, that thing's going to put you

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over the edge. That trilogy of albums is They're amazing.

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They are gifts to you know, gifts to the world.

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But they're heavy.

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Speaker 1: I'm getting very close to ready to jump in track

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by track yep.

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Speaker 2: But I feel like Amanda that I need to ask

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you tell me about the Forest.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, you that is the song that flipped

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my husband from being a cure hater to a cure lover.

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He's my husband plays bass. He's not in a band

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or anything right now, but he's very judgmental. I guess

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about music and if you know musicians are talented, or

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if they're male it in or if it's all synthesizers,

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you know that whatever. And I played The Forest for

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him one night and he lost his mind. It's so

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good the last minute and a half of that song.

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Will god see I just get speechless, you guys. But

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watch the video. Sometimes it's an eighties nightmare, but it's

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a song from the seventies, but it's like neon vomit

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all over your screen. It's yellows and greens and pinks,

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and everything, But that song is widely considered one of

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the favorites by the die hard Cure face outside of

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the radio heavy stuff and everything, because it's deep, it's brilliant,

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it's just it's amazing. I think it's important to mention

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you guys with their music, all their albums and stuff too,

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they purposely, well Robert specifically went out of their way

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to make music that they didn't think people would want

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to hear, because as they started getting more popular and stuff,

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and they realized all of a sudden, they were turning

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into those enough boys and stuff, and that's never what

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they wanted. Robert Smith never ever wanted fame. He doesn't

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care about the money, and a lot of artists say that,

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you gotta believe this dude was like he lives in

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like a monk, you know, like money does not matter

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to him. But they would specifically write songs that they

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didn't think people would like or that the label would hate.

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Speaker 2: That leads us right into what I was getting ready

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to say about this album. He sits down. He was

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not pleased with the popularity that they had achieved from

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kiss Me, kiss Me, kiss Me. They were MTV darlings,

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you know, just like Heaven is a great little pop song.

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The album was super well received, they became popular, and

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because of that, they became successful, and therefore he became depressed.

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Speaker 3: He was always depressed a factor.

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Speaker 2: That's true. You know, It's like we're saying when Wilt

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Chamberlain was tall, exactly exactly, Well, nothing pisses me off

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more than success and money and you know, having it all.

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But so he's twenty nine, on the edge of thirty.

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He looks around, I'm mister popularity. The record company wants

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me to make a sequel to kiss Me, kiss Me,

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kiss Me. I don't really want to do that. I'm

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going to make my magnum opus because I want to

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put my stamp on the world before I'm thirty years old.

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And so I'm going to do what I want to do.

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And so when he finished Disintegration, he sat back and thought,

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this is the best I'm ever going to do. This

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00:24:17,759 --> 00:24:21,720
is my magnum opus. This is awesome. I've outdone myself.

473
00:24:22,039 --> 00:24:24,519
And he brought it to the record executives. So when

474
00:24:24,519 --> 00:24:27,640
he plays it for them, it's sort of like, hmm,

475
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,759
They're all kind of cross armed and like, and so

476
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:34,920
they after listening to it very lukewarm reception. They tell

477
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:40,160
him you're being willfully obscure. He thought it was a masterpiece,

478
00:24:40,279 --> 00:24:42,960
and they thought it was a pile of crap, very

479
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:46,000
similar to what we had discussed earlier on the Unexcess

480
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,400
Kick album. When they brought it to the record executives,

481
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:50,880
those guys offered him a million bucks to start over.

482
00:24:51,079 --> 00:24:54,640
Speaker 3: I feel like you're stament about it being a lukewarm reception,

483
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,839
maybe a little generous because they actually called the album

484
00:24:57,880 --> 00:24:59,000
commercial suicide.

485
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,599
Speaker 1: That's not very lukewarm, right, Yeah, And it turns out

486
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,559
they were exactly right because when the album was released,

487
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:09,079
it was the best selling album they had ever had.

488
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,519
Speaker 2: Okay, I've got something for you before we get started

489
00:25:11,519 --> 00:25:14,079
on the track by track. I found this fascinating. So

490
00:25:14,319 --> 00:25:16,720
when they were recording the album, they recorded it at

491
00:25:16,799 --> 00:25:22,119
hook End Manor, which I guess was David Gilmour's old house,

492
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,839
David Gilmore from Pink Floyd. And so they're recording this

493
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,480
between November of eighty eight and February of eighty nine.

494
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:31,200
During this time, a fire broke out in Robert Smith's

495
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,519
living quarters due to a like an electrical heater. The

496
00:25:34,599 --> 00:25:37,359
electrical heater that he had in his room, catches his

497
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:41,240
room on fire. Does he care about his belongings? No?

498
00:25:41,599 --> 00:25:43,880
Does he care that his room is on fire? No,

499
00:25:44,559 --> 00:25:48,519
but he does have a satchel of lyrics for the

500
00:25:48,599 --> 00:25:54,640
album Disintegration pre recording, and so he said, they all

501
00:25:54,799 --> 00:25:58,799
joined hands, like made a chain with towels around their

502
00:25:58,839 --> 00:26:01,839
head so they wouldn't burn. And he had to go

503
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,119
in because he was the only one who knew where

504
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,440
that statue where the lyrics were, and so they literally

505
00:26:06,559 --> 00:26:09,759
risked their lives to save the lyrics to this album.

506
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,200
And when he found it, of course there's fire and

507
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:13,920
smoke and all this stuff. They put out the fire.

508
00:26:14,079 --> 00:26:17,319
The fireman actually yelled at him them collectively and they said,

509
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,920
you guys, your lives are way more important than a

510
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:25,119
stupid bag full of papers. And Robert Smith's like, you

511
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:26,319
guys don't know what you're talking about.

512
00:26:26,559 --> 00:26:28,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't know who you're talking to.

513
00:26:28,599 --> 00:26:30,519
Speaker 2: Yep. I found that very interesting.

514
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 3: That is that is interesting. So you know, Two, it's

515
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,759
worth noting he's on record talking about when they were

516
00:26:36,799 --> 00:26:40,480
recording this album that he went into what he called

517
00:26:40,519 --> 00:26:43,519
a monk state where he refused to talk to people,

518
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,759
and he wanted to make recording the album as uncomfortable

519
00:26:47,799 --> 00:26:51,039
as possible to enhance the vibe of the album awesome.

520
00:26:53,319 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 2: One more thing, I thought this was interesting. In the

521
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:59,599
liner notes, there's a sentence that says, this music has

522
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,079
been made to be played loud, so turn it up.

523
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:03,799
Speaker 3: Well, every time I sent you guys want im like

524
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:05,319
headphones on volume up?

525
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:06,839
Speaker 2: That's it.

526
00:27:07,039 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 1: Okay, let's jump in track by track. First song on

527
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:44,839
the album is called plain song. Okay, So as the

528
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,720
album starts off, I got to crank up the volume

529
00:27:47,759 --> 00:27:49,240
because I'm like, did I put did it hit?

530
00:27:49,279 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 2: Play? What happened did I get? Oh?

531
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 1: Oh, It's like I'm listening to the wind chimes at

532
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,200
Nana's house. This is so nice, This makes me feel

533
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,880
so good. And then boom, slam in my face. You

534
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,400
get this orchestra of amazing sound.

535
00:28:04,759 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 3: Mm hm, you get book three minutes of that until

536
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,000
anything else kicks in. So it's just it's gorgeous. It's

537
00:28:11,039 --> 00:28:14,079
absolutely gorgeous. Their last two are not this one, but

538
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,400
the one previous. I believe it was twenty eighteen. They

539
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:21,119
did a concert at Hyde Park in England and that

540
00:28:21,319 --> 00:28:24,279
was their opening song for the concert. Talk about setting

541
00:28:24,319 --> 00:28:26,599
a mood like you know what you're in for. The

542
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:30,279
opening lyrics, I think it's dark and it looks like rain,

543
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,319
you said. And the wind is blowing like it's the

544
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,240
end of the world, you said. First lyrics on this CD,

545
00:28:36,599 --> 00:28:39,400
that repetition of that you said. It just hits, man,

546
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,720
it just hits like you said. You think you're in

547
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,640
for this nice, peaceful, you know, orchestra song. And then

548
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:46,759
it's like, oh, no, I know what you're doing here, Robert,

549
00:28:46,799 --> 00:28:47,559
I got your number.

550
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,119
Speaker 2: So I think this is the perfect intro song for

551
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,400
a concert for me. I envision, you know, a little backlit.

552
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,279
They're actually taking the stage. You see them picking up

553
00:28:56,359 --> 00:28:59,400
the instruments as this is getting going, and once again

554
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,960
the first totally instrumental, and then you think, okay, this

555
00:29:03,039 --> 00:29:06,200
is a great grand entrance. And then he starts singing

556
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:07,240
halfway through and then.

557
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,599
Speaker 3: Continues with lyrics like and it's so cold, it's like

558
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,680
the cold if you were dead. Then you smiled for

559
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,880
a second. Sometimes you make me feel like I'm living

560
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,160
at the edge of the world. It's just the way

561
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:20,519
I smile. You side.

562
00:29:20,599 --> 00:29:25,119
Speaker 2: The feel is hopeful, in melodic and grand, and the

563
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,039
lyrics are about bad weather and.

564
00:29:27,119 --> 00:29:30,599
Speaker 3: Death, right, and that's what the cure is. Though, they'll

565
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,880
they'll flip those emotions on their heads. You know where

566
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:35,839
you've got this. You know some of these songs, these

567
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,680
really upbeat, cheery melodies with these gloom and doom lyrics,

568
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,000
and then other songs you've got where it almost sounds

569
00:29:43,279 --> 00:29:46,799
dark and haunting and demented and everything. But then those

570
00:29:46,839 --> 00:29:50,079
they're the most beautiful lyrics. They flip those emotions on

571
00:29:50,119 --> 00:29:50,519
their head.

572
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 2: I love it. This is a great way to start

573
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,440
the album. I was hooked in from the beginning. I

574
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:55,759
thought it was beautiful. I'm with you.

575
00:29:56,119 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 1: Three minutes into the song and I'm calling I'm Jason

576
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,599
doing I've totally flipped. I've done a one to eighty

577
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:02,400
on this.

578
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:03,599
Speaker 2: This is amazing.

579
00:30:03,759 --> 00:30:06,359
Speaker 3: You love to hear it all right.

580
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 2: Next song on the album is a song called Pictures

581
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:16,960
of You.

582
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: So it was at this point in the album that

583
00:30:25,279 --> 00:30:28,799
I really started tuning in to Boris Williams drums.

584
00:30:29,279 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 2: His drums are unique, they're powerful, they're epic.

585
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: I think they speak in each and every one of

586
00:30:36,039 --> 00:30:38,400
the songs on this album, but he does it in

587
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,279
a masterful way where he's not overpowering the rest of

588
00:30:41,319 --> 00:30:45,160
the music. He is accentuating the rest of the music, which,

589
00:30:45,359 --> 00:30:47,279
again this is a perfect example of what they do,

590
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:51,400
builds layer by layer by layer as you're going through here.

591
00:30:51,519 --> 00:30:54,839
Pictures of You was based on an essay by Myra

592
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:59,200
Paleo called The Dark Power of Ritual Pictures. After Robert

593
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:04,000
Smith read, he decided to destroy all of his old

594
00:31:04,119 --> 00:31:08,000
photos and home videos as a way to erase his past,

595
00:31:08,279 --> 00:31:11,000
and then he regretted afterwords.

596
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,279
Speaker 2: The mansel savage see, I heard a completely different story

597
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,599
on this song. And the interesting thing like in interviews

598
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,200
he'll give different accounts that clash, so you don't really

599
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,440
know what's the truth. But I heard that the inspiration

600
00:31:25,519 --> 00:31:28,839
for this song is from that fire where they were

601
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,319
saving the lyrics or whatever, and he was sifting through

602
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,680
the fire damaged remains and he came across a picture

603
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,680
of his wife, and supposedly that picture is on the

604
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:38,400
cover of the single.

605
00:31:38,599 --> 00:31:42,039
Speaker 3: He tells different accounts of everything, like constantly contradicts himself

606
00:31:42,039 --> 00:31:44,160
and stuff yes on their toes.

607
00:31:44,279 --> 00:31:46,319
Speaker 2: He's not afraid to lie, that's for sure. So this

608
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,559
was the fourth single released March nineteenth of nineteen ninety. Now,

609
00:31:50,599 --> 00:31:53,000
the interesting thing the video The music video was shot

610
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,880
in Scotland and was a week before this big snow

611
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,319
that hit there and according to Robert Smith filming that video,

612
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:04,920
he has never been colder in his life.

613
00:32:05,599 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 3: That I almost love my.

614
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:18,839
Speaker 2: I think this is the best song on the album

615
00:32:19,759 --> 00:32:24,759
Bike the Football early best song the album Wow. You

616
00:32:24,759 --> 00:32:27,440
know who else kind of agrees with me. Rolling Stone

617
00:32:27,519 --> 00:32:29,960
marked this as the two hundred and eighty third out

618
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:31,720
of the five hundred Greatest Songs of All Time.

619
00:32:31,759 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 3: It's a good song.

620
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,519
Speaker 2: You're not with me? I can tell you're not with me.

621
00:32:34,759 --> 00:32:35,519
Speaker 3: I love them all.

622
00:32:35,759 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: The first several songs on this are all bangers.

623
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 2: Side one is strong.

624
00:32:40,119 --> 00:32:43,559
Speaker 3: This is just that you know it's it has that

625
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,440
more upbeat tone to it. This is where I feel

626
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,319
like Simon Galp just shines on that face. The first

627
00:32:49,319 --> 00:32:52,359
couple of minutes of this song, or You are just unbelievable,

628
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,680
keys front and center there, totally love and anguish. But

629
00:32:55,680 --> 00:33:01,160
it's painful also somehow uplifting. It's funny because about five

630
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,640
minutes forty five seconds into the song or so, you

631
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,720
can feel that something's about to change. Minute six on

632
00:33:06,799 --> 00:33:09,519
the dot, he hits you in the face. Was with

633
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,839
there was nothing in the world that I ever wanted

634
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,119
more than it feel you deep in my heart. There

635
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,720
was nothing in the world I ever wanted more than

636
00:33:17,799 --> 00:33:21,000
to never feel the breaking of art my pictures of you.

637
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:25,680
I'm done. I can't. It slays me in every way.

638
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,160
But just minute six on the dot, he's like, I'm

639
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:28,720
not done.

640
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 2: Well, oh no, I'm not done. That's awesome.

641
00:33:32,279 --> 00:33:34,319
Speaker 1: This one, like You Said, was the last single that

642
00:33:34,359 --> 00:33:37,519
they released, at number seventy one on the Billboard Hot

643
00:33:37,519 --> 00:33:42,440
one hundred, number nineteen on alternative airplay. I'm definitely putting

644
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,200
it as a top finisher on the album.

645
00:33:45,279 --> 00:33:47,119
Speaker 3: Every time I hear this song, though, I think about

646
00:33:47,359 --> 00:33:50,319
Junior High. That was the crush song. That's the song

647
00:33:50,319 --> 00:33:51,680
that you play in your head when you were just

648
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:52,440
staring at Bryan.

649
00:33:52,599 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, is Brian your husband's name?

650
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,039
Speaker 3: No, that was my crush.

651
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,599
Speaker 1: That was crush.

652
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 3: Open.

653
00:34:06,279 --> 00:34:12,679
Speaker 2: There you go, Brian. If you're listening podcast, we want

654
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:13,719
to hear from you right.

655
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,800
Speaker 3: Sorry, Sorry for those looks across the room that might

656
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:17,760
have made you uncomfortable.

657
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,280
Speaker 1: That's actually a good question. How did you get introduced

658
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:22,360
to the band in the first place?

659
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:22,800
Speaker 2: Do you remember?

660
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:26,039
Speaker 3: Okay, you guys this is while Okay, I was not

661
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,400
a Cure fan until ten years ago. Like, I liked

662
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,360
some of their stuff, but I don't know, something ten

663
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,880
years ago started listening to it more and more, more

664
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,119
of the deep cuts and stuff, really paying attention to

665
00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:41,239
the lyrics and stuff, and they just spoke to me.

666
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:42,880
You know, Before that it was just so I like

667
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,679
the radio stuff. But and now just unapologetic about it.

668
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:48,280
I couldn't even tell you the first time that I

669
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,519
was like, oh, you know, the first song I heard

670
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,679
or whatever, but about yeah, about ten years ago. So,

671
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,800
but my music tastes are very eclectic. They're all over

672
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,280
the map. When you're ranking out bands that I love,

673
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:03,519
you know, my tops are the Cure, Allison Chains, the

674
00:35:03,559 --> 00:35:05,599
Doombie Brothers, Steely Dance.

675
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,280
Speaker 1: That is a varied mix right there. That is a

676
00:35:08,519 --> 00:35:09,719
very varied mix right there.

677
00:35:11,119 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 3: They've all got something to say and they're saying it

678
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:14,599
beautifully nice.

679
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,519
Speaker 2: You know who the old drummer to Steely Dan was

680
00:35:19,199 --> 00:35:24,039
Chevy Chase. No, it's truth, that's.

681
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:28,039
Speaker 1: The truth before they became the Steely Dan.

682
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 2: Steely Dan that we know today.

683
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have things now. I know what. I'm gonna

684
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:31,559
read a book.

685
00:35:33,639 --> 00:35:34,760
Speaker 2: All right, we ready to move on.

686
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: The third song is another song where they take two

687
00:35:37,519 --> 00:35:39,599
words that are separate words and stick them together and

688
00:35:39,599 --> 00:36:05,840
make them one word songs called closed Down, time Out.

689
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 2: I love this.

690
00:36:09,159 --> 00:36:12,199
Speaker 1: I'm ready for Mike to kiss eleven for the first time.

691
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:19,360
This is eighties gold right here, absolute eighties synth gold.

692
00:36:19,599 --> 00:36:21,639
Speaker 3: The drums are what get me on that song that

693
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,679
very Yeah.

694
00:36:23,679 --> 00:36:26,679
Speaker 2: The drums sound like when you go see like the

695
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,360
Broadway show of the Lion King. You know, it's like.

696
00:36:31,119 --> 00:36:31,519
Speaker 3: Tribal.

697
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:32,599
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

698
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 1: Boris Williams is going after the toms at the beginning

699
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,800
of this, and like I said, it absolutely fits.

700
00:36:39,079 --> 00:36:39,559
Speaker 2: I love it.

701
00:36:39,559 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 1: You've got you've got this build and then it comes

702
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:43,639
in with the synthesizer.

703
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,559
Speaker 2: It's just beautiful. Yeah. I mean you start with the drums,

704
00:36:46,639 --> 00:36:49,039
you bring in that synth that raises it, and then

705
00:36:49,039 --> 00:36:52,480
you have the guitar, bass and the vocals. It's just

706
00:36:52,599 --> 00:36:55,119
a they build it from the ground up before you're

707
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:56,039
very tears.

708
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 3: It's and that's a theme with all their songs. It

709
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,800
keeps building in and you're waiting for that pressure at lease,

710
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:03,559
but he doesn't give it to us.

711
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:04,039
Speaker 2: Right.

712
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 3: It feels like it's building but you listen in the

713
00:37:06,039 --> 00:37:08,280
beginning in the end, and they're pretty much the same

714
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,280
level all the way through, but it feels like it's building.

715
00:37:11,639 --> 00:37:15,800
Speaker 1: There are literally seven lines of lyrics in this entire song.

716
00:37:16,159 --> 00:37:19,320
Seven lines of lyrics. But this one goes back to

717
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,320
the inspiration for the album, the twenty ninth birthday.

718
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,159
Speaker 2: We're about to reach the.

719
00:37:24,119 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 1: End of youth. Nobody's making good music after they turn thirty.

720
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,360
And so what's the first lyric of the song. I'm

721
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:34,239
running out of time, I'm out of step and closing down.

722
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 3: And then he ends with if only I could fill

723
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:38,079
my heart with love.

724
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 2: Here's what he said on that.

725
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,599
Speaker 1: He said several of the tracks on this album he

726
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:46,159
is thinking about the feeling of being washed up.

727
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,280
Speaker 2: And this is his quote. The biggest frustration.

728
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,679
Speaker 1: Of getting older is not being able to feel strong

729
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:52,719
emotions anymore.

730
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 2: He says.

731
00:37:53,679 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 1: Cynicism enters your world and you get numb. I cannot

732
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,239
agree with you more, friend, I wish I could feel

733
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,559
the way I felt when I was twenty nine years old.

734
00:38:03,559 --> 00:38:07,199
Speaker 3: Again, you've got that juxtaposition of that happy, more upbeat

735
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:11,800
sound to it, but those depressing lyrics. It messles with

736
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:12,519
the mind again.

737
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 2: Well, I think we're about to cure that with the

738
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:20,559
next song. I feel, pardon the pun. There fourth song

739
00:38:20,679 --> 00:38:24,360
on the album, which is the third single, is called

740
00:38:24,679 --> 00:38:25,159
love Song.

741
00:38:47,199 --> 00:38:49,559
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm going to try not to say too much

742
00:38:49,559 --> 00:38:52,000
about my feelings on the song because I don't want

743
00:38:52,039 --> 00:38:53,079
to upset Amanda.

744
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:55,800
Speaker 3: Well, you're fine, hey, like this one.

745
00:38:56,159 --> 00:38:58,559
Speaker 1: This is one of their popular songs that I was

746
00:38:58,559 --> 00:39:01,400
familiar with that I was just like, Eh, this doesn't

747
00:39:01,559 --> 00:39:02,960
It's just it doesn't appeal to me.

748
00:39:03,039 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.

749
00:39:04,039 --> 00:39:06,159
Speaker 1: I know that he wrote it as a wedding present

750
00:39:06,199 --> 00:39:08,599
for his wife, and that's beautiful and sweet and all,

751
00:39:08,639 --> 00:39:11,920
but the sound voice on this one, it's not my

752
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,559
cup of tea, and it's that I'm in the minority, right.

753
00:39:14,599 --> 00:39:16,320
It's like one of their biggest hits of all time.

754
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,760
Speaker 2: It reached number two on the Hot one hundred, number two. Amanda,

755
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:20,239
what do you think I love this song?

756
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,039
Speaker 3: I do. I love it. It's not my favorite though.

757
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,639
I mean, it doesn't super surprise me that you said that,

758
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,960
because honestly, it's not one of my super favorites either.

759
00:39:30,119 --> 00:39:31,920
I love the fact that he tried to write like

760
00:39:32,079 --> 00:39:34,559
just a simple love song, you know, but in true

761
00:39:34,599 --> 00:39:37,119
Robert Fashion. Even he couldn't do that. It's still had

762
00:39:37,159 --> 00:39:39,280
to be haunting, you know. But it is their only

763
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,840
song in the catalog. Really, that's truly about love.

764
00:39:42,559 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 2: Okay, you're both crazy. This is a great song. This

765
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,719
is radio friendly hit. This is what would play on

766
00:39:48,840 --> 00:40:00,800
MTV always on the top forty is radio friendly hit.

767
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,400
I don't know why you don't like it. Listen to

768
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,960
this top five from October twenty first, nineteen eighty nine.

769
00:40:07,079 --> 00:40:09,760
I'm a big nineteen eighty nine guy. Listen this top five.

770
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,039
Number five you have Mixed Emotions by the Rolling Stones,

771
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,599
the Return of the Rolling Stones. Number four, You've got

772
00:40:16,599 --> 00:40:19,559
Listened to your Heart by rock Set Eighties gold, number

773
00:40:19,599 --> 00:40:22,559
three Sowing the Seeds of Love by Tears for Fears

774
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,599
maybe their best song ever and an ode to the Beatles.

775
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,960
Absolute gold. Number two you have a love Song by

776
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,519
The Cure, maybe their most radio friendly hit. And then

777
00:40:31,599 --> 00:40:33,960
number one, You've Got Miss You Much by Janet Jackson.

778
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:38,079
Awesome eighties song. That's a power Top five right there.

779
00:40:38,159 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you were doing which of these things is

780
00:40:41,519 --> 00:40:43,679
not like the other? In this one, I have no

781
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,840
doubt that love song is to not like the other.

782
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 2: It is not like the other, that's for sure. I

783
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:48,920
like this one. I think it's great.

784
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 3: It is it's a great song.

785
00:40:50,679 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 1: Can I be honest about this. I hate to say

786
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,679
this to hit I hate to say. Have you guys

787
00:40:55,679 --> 00:40:57,239
heard the three eleven tober of this song?

788
00:40:57,679 --> 00:40:58,079
Speaker 3: Yes?

789
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:02,280
Speaker 2: I love love and cover the song so good.

790
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 3: It's so good. You should put a snip of that.

791
00:41:04,119 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 1: Okay, we should listen to We should listen to that.

792
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 2: Okay, that three eleven version. It's like reggae. I love it.

793
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,320
It's yeah, it's reggae, but it's still very true to

794
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,440
the song. It is so true to the song. And

795
00:41:34,519 --> 00:41:37,719
I did that. Guy's voice is not the Robert Smith

796
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,880
voice that I don't like. Okay, d pop quiz Yeah,

797
00:41:41,119 --> 00:41:44,079
quick poll ready love song by Cure, A song by

798
00:41:44,079 --> 00:41:50,400
Tesla Ready Go absurd, absurd, same time period. Yeah.

799
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,519
Speaker 1: So that's literally how the conversation started. When I said

800
00:41:53,519 --> 00:41:56,400
to Jason, which album are we doing? And he said Disintegration,

801
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,119
and like, what's the big song off of that one?

802
00:41:58,159 --> 00:42:00,480
And he's like a love song and like love songs

803
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:00,920
like Tesla.

804
00:42:01,079 --> 00:42:03,519
Speaker 2: I love that. This is mostly one of my favorite

805
00:42:03,559 --> 00:42:04,400
Tesla songs.

806
00:42:05,079 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 1: Well, once again they've slammed those words together. And whereas

807
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,280
with Tesla you have love song, this one is love song.

808
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:12,840
I do think it's cool that was written as a

809
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,519
wedding present. You kind of glost over that, but that's

810
00:42:15,519 --> 00:42:19,440
a really cool thing. Again to Mary Pool is longtime

811
00:42:19,519 --> 00:42:22,199
love from his early teenage days. I heard a guy

812
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,519
talking about love song and how it's uplifting.

813
00:42:25,159 --> 00:42:29,039
Speaker 2: And sort of loving and light for this album. He said,

814
00:42:29,039 --> 00:42:32,360
it's like love song is the lamp to help you

815
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,239
illumine the dark corners of this album because.

816
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,559
Speaker 3: You need a break from everything that's going on.

817
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:40,760
Speaker 2: So yeah, I completely your wrists.

818
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,039
Speaker 3: Fun fact about Mary Pool though, too, she doesn't even

819
00:42:45,079 --> 00:42:46,840
like The Cure. She doesn't like most of their music.

820
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:51,639
Speaker 2: What we gotta be kidding what she said?

821
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 3: Mary Pool? Yeah, his wife doesn't even like most of

822
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:55,599
The Cure's music.

823
00:42:57,039 --> 00:42:59,079
Speaker 2: That does not surprise me at all. I do to

824
00:42:59,119 --> 00:42:59,760
be kidding me.

825
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:01,800
Speaker 1: I do not think my wife has listened to a

826
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,840
single podcast that we've ever done. She never came to

827
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:06,920
a Sunday school class when I was teaching, like.

828
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 2: Literally nothing, that's crazy though, I mean it bought our

829
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,599
house and puts food on her table nuts. Well there,

830
00:43:12,639 --> 00:43:17,239
she's honest lipstick on her husband's face every night.

831
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 1: You know.

832
00:43:17,679 --> 00:43:21,159
Speaker 3: Other fun fact about this song though, Robert Smith says

833
00:43:21,199 --> 00:43:24,679
it's the weakest song on the album Wow Wow, and

834
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,320
he wrote it for his wife, but he considers it

835
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:28,679
the weakest song on the album.

836
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,079
Speaker 2: That ingrad who doesn't like my music.

837
00:43:31,639 --> 00:43:34,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's thinking, she's not gonna listen to this anyways.

838
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,199
Get this done that way, I've at least satisfied the

839
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:41,400
I wrote a song for you, honey, I get flowers.

840
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:42,800
Speaker 3: I want a song written about me.

841
00:43:43,199 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 1: Exactly right, Okay, Jason, Before we keep going, there is

842
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,400
a podcast that you and I just discovered which is

843
00:43:49,519 --> 00:43:52,360
fan freakantastic that I wanted to tell everybody about.

844
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,559
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's called Famous and Gravy. Yeah.

845
00:43:54,599 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 1: A couple of guys very much like ourselves, same generation.

846
00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:59,960
They have that kind of same talking back and forth

847
00:44:00,079 --> 00:44:03,800
with chemistry. Michael Osborne and am At Kapoor. They have

848
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:08,079
this really awesome format and it just keeps you engaged

849
00:44:08,079 --> 00:44:09,840
in the podcast the whole freaking time.

850
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,199
Speaker 2: Yeah. So they talk about a person who is dead

851
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,960
and whether or not you would want to have their life.

852
00:44:15,079 --> 00:44:18,079
It's kind of a cool thing. They're inspirational They're very positive,

853
00:44:18,159 --> 00:44:19,599
thought provoking. I enjoy this.

854
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,800
Speaker 1: They break it up into like ten or eleven different categories.

855
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:26,280
First one is the obituary of this person, right, and

856
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,400
then the last one is the James Vanderbet category of.

857
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:34,199
Speaker 2: I Don't want your life and it's fantastic.

858
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,280
Speaker 1: And they've got a Malcovich category in there, which is

859
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,559
my absolute favorite. But you guys should totally go check

860
00:44:39,599 --> 00:44:43,119
these guys out. They cover athletes, they cover rock stars,

861
00:44:43,199 --> 00:44:44,880
just I mean anybody and everybody.

862
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 2: I mean, they've covered any money. Luke Perry, I forgot

863
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:51,000
he died, Brad Willard, Gene Wilder, Bill Paxton, Hank Aaron,

864
00:44:51,079 --> 00:44:51,840
Alan Rickman.

865
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 1: You told me you found a Bill Paxton nugget in

866
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:55,920
one of their podcasts.

867
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 2: From them, according to their podcast, I learned this stuff. Yeah,

868
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,280
Bill Paxon, do you know the song fish Heads fish

869
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:05,480
Heads fish Headish Yeah. Bill Paxton was the director of

870
00:45:05,519 --> 00:45:06,599
that music video.

871
00:45:06,679 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 1: Shut up, Yes, dude. I love these guys. They are

872
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,440
fantastic guys. If you have not checked out the Famous

873
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,360
and Gravy podcast, definitely go check that out.

874
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,159
Speaker 2: Definitely. Okay, moving on to the next song on the album.

875
00:45:18,199 --> 00:45:27,760
This song is called Last Dance son, turn that off.

876
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:29,039
Speaker 3: Also a banger.

877
00:45:29,679 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 2: It is a banger.

878
00:45:32,039 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 4: Okay, sorry, let's go back to the cure.

879
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,760
Speaker 1: Okay, So what I've got on this one is that

880
00:45:49,039 --> 00:45:51,840
this is the feeling that you have when you meet

881
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,360
someone that you haven't seen for a long time and

882
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,079
you used to have very strong feelings for them and

883
00:45:57,199 --> 00:46:00,840
you don't anymore, and you suddenly realize it's horrible sensation.

884
00:46:01,119 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 2: This is the one song on the album that I

885
00:46:04,519 --> 00:46:09,079
would mark down as a skipper. Oh my, oh my god,

886
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:10,920
this one doesn't do anything for me.

887
00:46:11,199 --> 00:46:14,159
Speaker 3: I think this song is brilliant really to be my

888
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:15,760
second favorite on the album.

889
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,159
Speaker 2: What yeah, okay, well help me.

890
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,599
Speaker 3: Yeah. It's a musical circus again. You know, you think

891
00:46:21,639 --> 00:46:23,480
you're going in one direction, you go in a completely

892
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:26,320
the other direction. It sounds very pointed, you know, like

893
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,119
he's talking about a woman. What else could it be?

894
00:46:28,159 --> 00:46:30,559
I mean, he says it written the lyrics you know

895
00:46:31,199 --> 00:46:33,800
where a girl, you know where a woman is, where

896
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:37,760
a girl once stood. But in listening to the lyrics

897
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:39,320
and stuff and thinking about what was happening at the

898
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:43,360
time with Lowell getting ousted from the band that broke him,

899
00:46:43,519 --> 00:46:47,159
that broke Robert. Okay, childhood best friends. The rest of

900
00:46:47,159 --> 00:46:48,280
the band wanted to get rid of him for a

901
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:50,199
long time, and he kept him in there and it

902
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:52,159
broke him when he had to. He wrote him a

903
00:46:52,199 --> 00:46:54,039
letter you guys to kick him out of the band

904
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:56,000
and said, just please don't come back. Don't try and

905
00:46:56,039 --> 00:46:58,480
change my mind. You know this is nothing against you, basically,

906
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:00,679
it's not you, it's me. But if you listen to

907
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,920
the lyrics, knowing that all that was going on, all

908
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,119
the alcohol abviews that was taking place at the time

909
00:47:06,159 --> 00:47:08,079
and stuff, and then you hear lyrics like to see

910
00:47:08,119 --> 00:47:10,840
how we're ending this last dance together? This is the

911
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,320
last album that Loue was involved in, and he knew

912
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,079
he was going to have to kick him out. Christmas

913
00:47:15,079 --> 00:47:19,199
falls late, flatter and colder and never as bright as

914
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,719
when we used to fall. We were good back in

915
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,079
the day, look at us now type thing. And I

916
00:47:24,159 --> 00:47:27,519
really believe that this was forever. Honestly think that this

917
00:47:27,639 --> 00:47:31,639
song not necessarily was written about that situation, but reflects

918
00:47:31,639 --> 00:47:33,400
what was going on in the time and played a

919
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,039
big part in the lyrics of this song.

920
00:47:35,199 --> 00:47:38,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna agree with Amanda, You're wrong on this one.

921
00:47:38,679 --> 00:47:41,239
This was a banger for me, This is not a skipper.

922
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,400
This is the first one that I was like, Okay,

923
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,880
I got to make a note on this song because

924
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:47,840
I like some of these things that are going on

925
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,599
so much. I think the guitar playing in this is

926
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:54,400
absolutely beautiful. And then when he sings this is the

927
00:47:54,519 --> 00:47:56,960
song that I love Robert Smith's voice on. I mean,

928
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:58,760
this is the song that I'm like, oh my gosh,

929
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,159
this is like a pink Floyd's.

930
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 3: It's the best voice for this song.

931
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, so far, to me, we've had banger banger banger

932
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:09,599
on this. They've all been fantastic. I don't see a

933
00:48:09,639 --> 00:48:12,480
definite end insight. I didn't like love song that was

934
00:48:12,519 --> 00:48:15,440
the skipper for me. But jumping back in on Last Dance,

935
00:48:15,599 --> 00:48:18,320
we start a ride up a roller coaster and there's

936
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:18,920
no stopping it.

937
00:48:19,159 --> 00:48:21,199
Speaker 2: Moving on to the next song on the album, this

938
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:40,880
song is called Lullaby.

939
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:45,079
Speaker 1: This one is another great song. So I mentioned earlier

940
00:48:45,119 --> 00:48:47,960
that his parents were musicians. His dad was a singer

941
00:48:48,039 --> 00:48:51,840
and he would sing lullabies to Robert whenever he was

942
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:52,480
a little kid.

943
00:48:52,559 --> 00:48:53,519
Speaker 2: But he would do the.

944
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:56,280
Speaker 1: Same thing that you get when you've got rock by

945
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,400
a baby, where the bow breaks and the cradle falls

946
00:48:58,400 --> 00:48:59,880
and down comes baby and all, and we're like.

947
00:49:00,519 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 2: That's a terrible that sucks.

948
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, So he said his dad would do the same

949
00:49:04,519 --> 00:49:07,559
thing and the song would end with something like sleep now,

950
00:49:07,599 --> 00:49:24,360
pretty baby, or you won't wake up at all, and

951
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,000
so he'd go to sleep and he'd have nightmares about

952
00:49:27,039 --> 00:49:30,880
getting eaten by spiders. And so that is the impetus

953
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:32,360
for him writing this song.

954
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:34,800
Speaker 2: Okay, Amanda the Florgers, what do you think?

955
00:49:35,039 --> 00:49:37,559
Speaker 3: Okay, this was the first single that was released from

956
00:49:37,559 --> 00:49:39,960
this album in the UK. In the UK, yep in

957
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:43,639
the UK. So we're looking back at a time. Okay,

958
00:49:43,679 --> 00:49:45,960
we didn't have Spotify and we didn't have anything. All

959
00:49:46,039 --> 00:49:48,679
you knew is what you heard on the radio. So

960
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,320
this is what they chose to release because then you

961
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,079
hear that song and that's what got people in on

962
00:49:53,119 --> 00:49:55,360
the record songs, right, so you have to release a

963
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:57,800
good one. But at this time the music scene is

964
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:02,079
also changing. You see that girl creeping into this song.

965
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:05,000
We're still too early for grunge, but the alternative is

966
00:50:05,039 --> 00:50:07,639
making a shift going toward the grunge movement and everything,

967
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:09,880
and I think we've got a free grunge era song.

968
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:14,159
Here right, you guys, between these lyrics, the stripped down

969
00:50:14,679 --> 00:50:18,639
nature of this song, just the simplicity with these horrifying,

970
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:22,360
desperate lyrics. At this time, we've got faith no more,

971
00:50:22,559 --> 00:50:27,000
We've got Nirvana bleached just came out. Hair bands are fading. Sorry, guys,

972
00:50:27,039 --> 00:50:28,480
I know, at the sad time for you, but the

973
00:50:28,519 --> 00:50:32,559
hair bands were fading out. It's head, you know. So

974
00:50:32,639 --> 00:50:35,480
here we've got the cure again, pivoting to a little bit,

975
00:50:35,599 --> 00:50:38,400
you know, of a music style that they see becoming

976
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:41,039
a little bit more popular, but still making it cure style.

977
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:44,760
I can't help but think like if Els and Chaine

978
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:47,159
back in the day did a stripped down version of

979
00:50:47,199 --> 00:50:50,119
this song, Like what that would sound like? I feel

980
00:50:50,159 --> 00:50:52,039
like Laane Staley is rolling over in his grave, but

981
00:50:52,079 --> 00:50:55,440
he didn't write these lyrics. Everything about it is grunge.

982
00:50:55,480 --> 00:51:01,480
It's heavy, it's scary, it's frightening. But it's a beautiful song. Again, circus,

983
00:51:01,559 --> 00:51:04,199
it's a circus. But I see the elements of grudging

984
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:04,719
this song.

985
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,039
Speaker 2: You know who did cover this song, Jimmy Page and

986
00:51:07,119 --> 00:51:11,880
Robert Plant. Wow. Yeah, it's phenomenal. A led Zeppelin version

987
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:25,800
of this song. So I've seen this as a metaphor

988
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:31,559
for addiction, depression, even sexual assault. To me, we've already

989
00:51:31,639 --> 00:51:35,360
established that Robert Smith was using hallucinatory drugs while he's

990
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:39,360
writing and preparing for this album. This sounds like a

991
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:40,079
trip to me.

992
00:51:40,639 --> 00:51:41,519
Speaker 3: It's an acid trip.

993
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,320
Speaker 2: It's an acid trip where he's thinking they're spiders all

994
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:46,480
over the place and they're out to get him and

995
00:51:46,559 --> 00:51:49,000
eat him for dinner. He's talking about the spider Man

996
00:51:49,199 --> 00:51:51,480
who's at the foot of the bed. Spider Man's going

997
00:51:51,519 --> 00:51:53,400
to have him for dinner tonight.

998
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,760
Speaker 3: And I feel like I'm being eaten by a thousand

999
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:59,440
million shivering holes. And I know that in the morning

1000
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:01,519
I will wake up in the shivering cold.

1001
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,280
Speaker 1: So have you guys seen the video for this. He's

1002
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:06,400
trying to fall asleep. They were supposed to put a

1003
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,559
real spider on him and he was like, I get nope, no,

1004
00:52:09,639 --> 00:52:10,039
I can do that.

1005
00:52:10,079 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 2: Not happening. This is the highest charting Cure single in

1006
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,960
the UK, topped out at number five. This seems very

1007
00:52:17,119 --> 00:52:20,280
Alice in Wonderland to me. So you and I were

1008
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:23,400
talking earlier. This was the first single released in the

1009
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:26,280
UK reached number five. It only hits number seventy four

1010
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:28,519
in the US. It was the third single in the

1011
00:52:28,639 --> 00:52:32,000
US because the record guys around over here were like,

1012
00:52:32,199 --> 00:52:34,000
this is not a great radio song, this is not

1013
00:52:34,119 --> 00:52:37,159
a great lead single. We're not releasing it. We're releasing

1014
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:40,800
the next song, the next song instead. And what's the

1015
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:44,000
next song, Jason? The next song is called Fascination Street.

1016
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 1: I'm digging it, driving drum track, a song about getting

1017
00:53:02,039 --> 00:53:02,880
drunk in New Orleans.

1018
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:03,639
Speaker 2: What else do you need?

1019
00:53:04,519 --> 00:53:05,599
Speaker 3: Filler baselines?

1020
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:11,760
Speaker 2: Okay, have you guys seen the movie Lost Angels? No, Okay,

1021
00:53:12,159 --> 00:53:16,119
Lost Angels starring Donald Sutherland, at least in nineteen eighty nine.

1022
00:53:16,159 --> 00:53:18,199
We've already talked about how I'm a big nineteen eighty

1023
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:20,440
nine guy. Go back to our best years in the

1024
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,360
eighties movies, right, Yeah, I have not seen this movie.

1025
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:26,960
But apparently they released Fascination Street as the first single

1026
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:30,039
in the US because it was featured in the movie

1027
00:53:30,199 --> 00:53:33,800
Lost Angels. Okay, Apparently they're trying to capitalize on the

1028
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,880
success of Los Angeles and I've never heard.

1029
00:53:36,639 --> 00:53:41,199
Speaker 1: Of this movie. Well, the song did better than the

1030
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:44,159
movie did. Apparently, Yeah, I mean, because I guess the

1031
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:46,599
US executives were not too far off base. It did

1032
00:53:46,679 --> 00:53:49,400
very well at this time Billboard had just come out

1033
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:53,719
with this modern rock tracks, which is now called alternative airplay,

1034
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:58,159
but back then brand new. This song, it's number one

1035
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:00,519
and stays on the top of the short for the

1036
00:54:00,559 --> 00:54:01,639
next seven weeks.

1037
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:02,280
Speaker 2: On that churp.

1038
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:04,559
Speaker 3: It's so good. This is the song that I danced

1039
00:54:04,559 --> 00:54:07,679
in my kitchen too. Just a great beat, something you

1040
00:54:07,679 --> 00:54:09,840
would have heard, like in the club, almost for it.

1041
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:13,239
I'll got really super clubby music, you know, just a

1042
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:14,199
great rock song.

1043
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 2: It's moody, but it's uppy happy.

1044
00:54:17,039 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 3: I meanippy Robert, you know, he's got to add that vibe.

1045
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 2: I know.

1046
00:54:20,519 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 3: Let's move to the beat, like we know that it's

1047
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:25,880
over if you slip going under, slip over my shoulder.

1048
00:54:26,119 --> 00:54:28,760
Speaker 2: Okay, Now we've used this metaphor a lot, but this

1049
00:54:29,079 --> 00:54:33,840
is cracking and tubs driving on the streets. They're after

1050
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:36,559
somebody and they're they're deep in thought and then they're

1051
00:54:36,599 --> 00:54:40,039
bummed out because the hooker got killed or something. So

1052
00:54:41,199 --> 00:54:44,079
this one belongs on Miami Vice. Well it's a great song. Yeah,

1053
00:54:44,079 --> 00:54:45,320
I like, Well, it's a great song.

1054
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 1: And the extended intro for the longer version longer mix,

1055
00:54:49,119 --> 00:54:49,960
it's fantastic.

1056
00:54:50,039 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 2: I get some long intros on this album, man, I'm

1057
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,760
telling you yeah, all right, hits off on your tape player,

1058
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:58,239
Kick it out, flip it over for side to first

1059
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:00,440
song on side two is called Prayer for Rain.

1060
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 1: I love this built. This is such a driving song.

1061
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:17,920
I said before Last Dance made me think of Pink Floyd.

1062
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 2: This one.

1063
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 1: I'm getting all kinds of the Doors writers on the Storm,

1064
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:24,480
which I mean tie it in with Prayers for Rain.

1065
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:29,239
It is that steady, almost like a Western style riff,

1066
00:55:29,599 --> 00:55:32,639
but with their synth pop sound. I mean, it's just

1067
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:34,920
it is too good. I kind of wish that Johnny

1068
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,320
cashould cover the song because I feel like just that

1069
00:55:37,519 --> 00:55:39,840
roughness belungs in the song. But what they do with

1070
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:41,840
it is amazing. I love it, love it, love it.

1071
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:44,199
Speaker 3: Good stuff. You know you got. It just came off

1072
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:47,239
of Fascinations Street, which is, you know, a little bit

1073
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:50,480
more upbeat sounding, more rock, you know, sound to it

1074
00:55:50,599 --> 00:55:52,719
or whatever, and then they just slip right back into

1075
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:55,079
that moods Understormy kind of moved this one. He opens

1076
00:55:55,159 --> 00:55:57,199
up with you shelter me, your grip on me, a

1077
00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:59,039
hold on me, so doll it kills.

1078
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. I like beginning the piano sounds that it's the

1079
00:56:03,079 --> 00:56:05,719
chords of the piano that are like ringing, and it's

1080
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:07,960
like it's like the beginning of Rio. If you remember

1081
00:56:08,039 --> 00:56:12,320
we talked about how Nick Rhodes would bang his piano chords.

1082
00:56:12,559 --> 00:56:14,639
So interesting powerful song.

1083
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 1: This I think is probably my, if not my favorite,

1084
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:21,760
it's my second favorite on the album, this one, and

1085
00:56:22,079 --> 00:56:24,079
the first song on the album playing song top two

1086
00:56:24,079 --> 00:56:24,760
contenders for me.

1087
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:26,159
Speaker 3: Good choices, all right.

1088
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:29,599
Speaker 2: Next song on the album is called Same deep Water

1089
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:30,880
As You.

1090
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 1: So this is probably the biggest soundscape of the album.

1091
00:56:49,079 --> 00:56:52,920
This is all about your feel, your emotion, putting you

1092
00:56:53,079 --> 00:56:55,320
in that vibe, whatever that vibe.

1093
00:56:55,159 --> 00:56:56,599
Speaker 2: Might be for you. I dig it a lot.

1094
00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:58,800
Speaker 1: It is, and it's the longer song on the album

1095
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:00,360
by far too.

1096
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:02,280
Speaker 2: This is another one of those where I was like, oh,

1097
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:05,320
this is an instrumental Nope, it just takes four minutes

1098
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:08,559
to get going. I can imagine in concert he's just

1099
00:57:08,599 --> 00:57:11,400
walking around and the crowds just like, go to the mic, dude,

1100
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:12,000
go to the mic.

1101
00:57:12,199 --> 00:57:15,159
Speaker 3: It's unbelievable. I can talk about the consert theater.

1102
00:57:15,519 --> 00:57:18,119
Speaker 1: No tell us about it now. Because you're thinking he's

1103
00:57:18,159 --> 00:57:21,000
walking around on stage. I'm thinking he's like, Okay, guys,

1104
00:57:21,079 --> 00:57:21,960
I gotta go pee.

1105
00:57:22,119 --> 00:57:23,239
Speaker 2: I need to grab a beer.

1106
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 1: You guys, go ahead, I'll be back in about seven minutes.

1107
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 2: Good Bye to Literary.

1108
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 3: Just pacing the stage and he does all this, He's

1109
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:34,199
done it since the beginning of the band. When he

1110
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:36,800
sings and stuff, he gets so intuity, puts his whole

1111
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:39,119
heartbund body, soul into it. But he'll walk around and

1112
00:57:39,119 --> 00:57:41,480
he does these weird things with his hands and he'll

1113
00:57:41,519 --> 00:57:44,599
just stare. It's like he's looking at every single person

1114
00:57:44,639 --> 00:57:47,559
in that arena, like into your soul. He's been quoted

1115
00:57:47,599 --> 00:57:50,679
many times about how even though his music is depressing

1116
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:53,840
and sends a message and everything, he's very humbled by

1117
00:57:54,119 --> 00:57:56,079
the fact that people want to listen to what he

1118
00:57:56,119 --> 00:57:56,679
has to say.

1119
00:57:57,119 --> 00:57:59,239
Speaker 1: Obviously, we know that he's not a big you know,

1120
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:02,480
he's not doing ants numbers up there. You might walk around.

1121
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 3: There's no choreography, yeah choo.

1122
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:07,719
Speaker 1: But you do you have something going on, like in

1123
00:58:07,719 --> 00:58:09,039
a screen behind them, like.

1124
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 2: Are they doing?

1125
00:58:09,519 --> 00:58:12,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, the typical stuff that you'd almost expect, you know,

1126
00:58:12,199 --> 00:58:15,400
obscure images and birds and you know, when you first

1127
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:19,679
walk into the arena, it's just sounds of thunderstorms, which

1128
00:58:19,719 --> 00:58:21,119
is exactly what you'd expect.

1129
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 2: This is a deep, dark and beautiful return to the

1130
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:25,920
sadness right here.

1131
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:29,239
Speaker 3: I can listen to this song a lot because I

1132
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:31,400
get a lot of loss in my life. You know,

1133
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:34,679
I've lost my mom when I was pregnant, We've lost

1134
00:58:34,719 --> 00:58:37,719
my dad in twenty twenty, Ant's uncles, everything. I mean,

1135
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:39,480
I've had a lot of loss in my life, and

1136
00:58:39,519 --> 00:58:41,760
this is the song that gets me with it. It

1137
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:44,519
makes me feel all those things that you feel like

1138
00:58:44,559 --> 00:58:47,039
over the years you're grappling with, you're dealing with better

1139
00:58:47,159 --> 00:58:51,079
at everything. And it's not necessary that the lyrics so much.

1140
00:58:51,119 --> 00:58:53,360
I mean, there's some killer lyrics in here too, but

1141
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:55,800
it's just more that mood, that ride that you're on

1142
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:59,519
during this song, that profound sadness. It's what I have

1143
00:58:59,559 --> 00:59:01,880
to skip. Sometimes it's not skipper, but I have to

1144
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:04,599
skip it for my own mental health. I can't listen

1145
00:59:04,639 --> 00:59:05,320
to it a lot.

1146
00:59:05,559 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 2: Wow, that's great. That's the best story on the podcast.

1147
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 1: Right Genuinely, those songs that you have that mean so

1148
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:14,800
much to you that sometimes you just can't listen to them,

1149
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:15,960
those are special.

1150
00:59:16,039 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 2: Awesome Thanks for sharing. Okay. Next song on the album

1151
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:19,840
is called disintegration.

1152
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 1: So this song is much more straightforward than every other

1153
00:59:35,599 --> 00:59:38,519
song on the album. You have this really aggressive drum

1154
00:59:38,559 --> 00:59:41,559
beat that's going on in this baseline that is killer,

1155
00:59:41,639 --> 00:59:44,440
but it's repetitive. It's the same thing over and over

1156
00:59:44,559 --> 00:59:46,519
throughout the song. This is the one that if you're

1157
00:59:46,519 --> 00:59:48,960
going to focus on the lyrics and the singing, this

1158
00:59:49,039 --> 00:59:51,079
is the song that you're doing that on, because as

1159
00:59:51,119 --> 00:59:54,239
good as the music is, it's the same thing over.

1160
00:59:54,039 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 2: And over and over again. As he starts singing to me,

1161
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:59,320
this is the closest pop sounding song on the album.

1162
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:04,000
It's got it energy. It's a little bit rock issue again.

1163
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:06,679
Eight minutes and twenty seconds long.

1164
01:00:07,159 --> 01:00:10,639
Speaker 3: So back in there, Spike the football. Best song on

1165
01:00:10,679 --> 01:00:13,840
the album, Eh, there we go? All right? The way

1166
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:16,360
it starts at a high like all the other songs

1167
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:19,679
kind of you know, they build, they build up to something.

1168
01:00:19,719 --> 01:00:23,360
This one just starts at the top and doesn't let

1169
01:00:23,639 --> 01:00:26,800
go for the entire song. It just grips you. There's

1170
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:29,480
no release, there's nothing. It's you're going to feel this.

1171
01:00:29,639 --> 01:00:32,679
He's grabbing you by your collar. You're going to hear

1172
01:00:32,719 --> 01:00:35,519
what I have to say now that I know that

1173
01:00:35,599 --> 01:00:38,000
I'm breaking to pieces. I'll pull out my heart and

1174
01:00:38,039 --> 01:00:41,920
I'll feed it to anyone crying for comfort. Crocodile's cry

1175
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:44,679
for the love of the crowd, and the three cheers

1176
01:00:44,679 --> 01:00:48,400
from everyone dropping through the sky, the glass of the roof,

1177
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:50,920
through the roof of your mouth, through the mouth of

1178
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:53,880
your eye, through the eye of the needle. It's easier

1179
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:56,559
for me to get closer to Heaven than to ever

1180
01:00:56,639 --> 01:01:01,480
feel whole again. He's a poet.

1181
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:05,239
Speaker 2: I love it balls.

1182
01:01:05,599 --> 01:01:08,280
Speaker 3: When he gets to that part of the song, and

1183
01:01:08,719 --> 01:01:11,519
I don't even think he dreads while he's singing that.

1184
01:01:11,719 --> 01:01:14,480
It never lets up the top three of all hero

1185
01:01:14,599 --> 01:01:15,280
songs for me.

1186
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 2: I show okay coming strong. Yeah, that's awesome. The next

1187
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:32,440
song on the album is called Homesick. This is a

1188
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:35,559
new sound. You've got the piano in there, which is this.

1189
01:01:36,079 --> 01:01:39,079
I mean, it's a genuine, real like grand piano sound

1190
01:01:39,079 --> 01:01:42,119
to it, not any synth going on there, and it's

1191
01:01:42,199 --> 01:01:44,159
really lovely. It's just lovely.

1192
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 1: But then this guitar comes in with like a phaser

1193
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:49,679
effect on there, and it takes you back to that

1194
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:53,559
place that you've been before of the soundscape style of

1195
01:01:53,559 --> 01:01:57,239
the music. But the piano continues through the song given

1196
01:01:57,280 --> 01:02:01,760
this beautiful mixture of class, cool and modern.

1197
01:02:02,199 --> 01:02:03,199
Speaker 2: I dig the song a lot.

1198
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:05,719
Speaker 3: It's good. It's a good one. I don't think there's

1199
01:02:05,719 --> 01:02:08,960
any skippers on this album. But out of the entire album,

1200
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:11,239
this is the one I listened to the least. It's

1201
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:13,679
just a little slow for me. It's just one I

1202
01:02:13,719 --> 01:02:15,559
don't listen to as much. And I don't. I don't

1203
01:02:15,559 --> 01:02:18,159
know why. I mean, I've already felt so much during

1204
01:02:18,199 --> 01:02:21,039
listening to this album throughout, you know, all these songs

1205
01:02:21,119 --> 01:02:23,480
or whatever, and then you get here and it's extra

1206
01:02:23,559 --> 01:02:26,599
deep again, you know, and it's emotional and it's driven,

1207
01:02:26,679 --> 01:02:28,239
and it's by the time I get to this point

1208
01:02:28,239 --> 01:02:30,559
in the album, I'm already having all the feels.

1209
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:35,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, yeah, yeah, exactly. Maybe it's because Lowell

1210
01:02:35,239 --> 01:02:39,400
Tolhurst is the guy who composed this one interesting to him. Well,

1211
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:42,559
according to Roger O'Donnell, who is his replacement, that he

1212
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:44,840
was the guy who initially came up with the composition

1213
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:47,679
and the piano for this one. Now they took it

1214
01:02:47,679 --> 01:02:50,000
and ran with it. And there's a good chance that

1215
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:53,000
Ball isn't on any of this album at all, but

1216
01:02:53,599 --> 01:02:56,079
that he initially came up with the composition for this

1217
01:02:56,119 --> 01:02:59,760
one okay, last song on the album. This song is

1218
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:15,239
called untitled Okay respectfully, the beginning of this song sounds

1219
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:19,119
like weird Ow's attempt at a cure song because you

1220
01:03:19,199 --> 01:03:24,119
have the accordion. Okay. But with that said, this is

1221
01:03:24,159 --> 01:03:32,320
my second favorite song in the entire album. All Right,

1222
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:36,840
I love it. I love it so it's beautiful, it's melodic,

1223
01:03:37,119 --> 01:03:39,679
the accordion works for me. I don't care. I think

1224
01:03:39,719 --> 01:03:44,599
that's great, still passionate and sadly beautiful at the end

1225
01:03:44,599 --> 01:03:45,679
of this album. I love it.

1226
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:48,440
Speaker 3: I think it's a perfect way to end this album.

1227
01:03:48,679 --> 01:03:50,440
I don't think they could have made a better choice

1228
01:03:50,679 --> 01:03:55,519
on how to close out this roller coaster because it's beautiful.

1229
01:03:55,679 --> 01:03:59,559
It's sad everything, but there's almost a sense of optimism

1230
01:03:59,679 --> 01:04:02,039
in the music. It's a little bit more uplifting and

1231
01:04:02,079 --> 01:04:04,119
stuff like Robert's like I'm not going to send you

1232
01:04:04,159 --> 01:04:07,239
away to go hang yourself, like after this whole album,

1233
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:10,559
Like it's gorgeous. It's gorgeous. I don't have a lot

1234
01:04:10,599 --> 01:04:12,599
I note because it's one of those that I don't

1235
01:04:12,639 --> 01:04:14,679
think about a lot. It just sits with me.

1236
01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:19,320
Speaker 2: It seems like a perfect book into plain song Drift.

1237
01:04:20,039 --> 01:04:29,960
Speaker 3: I Ghost Downs, Yes.

1238
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:30,840
Speaker 2: I love it. Uh.

1239
01:04:31,159 --> 01:04:36,199
Speaker 1: The accordion or pipe organ or whatever the intro riff

1240
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:38,960
is being played on this made me think of Pink

1241
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:39,480
Floyd the.

1242
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:41,440
Speaker 2: Wall not Out.

1243
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:45,599
Speaker 1: But then, sure enough, once they've kind of given you

1244
01:04:45,679 --> 01:04:48,440
a different taste, they've they've cleaned your palate from all

1245
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:50,360
of the stuff that you've just listened to with this

1246
01:04:50,719 --> 01:04:53,320
little bit, and they come back in with the beautiful,

1247
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:57,039
ethereal music that you've loved every second of as you've.

1248
01:04:56,920 --> 01:05:00,239
Speaker 2: Gone through this album. They bring me in gently. They

1249
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:03,039
do all this stuff with drugs and spiders, and then

1250
01:05:03,039 --> 01:05:05,360
they place you gently on your pillow at the end

1251
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:05,719
of the night.

1252
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:07,519
Speaker 3: Yes, I like it all right.

1253
01:05:07,559 --> 01:05:12,800
Speaker 2: Well, that seems like the perfect ending to a great album. Amanda.

1254
01:05:13,079 --> 01:05:16,719
We thank you for bringing this to us, dragging this

1255
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:20,320
across the finish line like you did, and bringing us

1256
01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:22,639
along with you. We are now fans of this album.

1257
01:05:22,679 --> 01:05:24,960
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, just excites me so much. You guys,

1258
01:05:25,079 --> 01:05:27,880
you have no idea, just happy to share it. You know,

1259
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:29,960
the people on the internet, they just love to pick

1260
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:33,519
pick pick, keyboard Warriors whatever. And I don't even know

1261
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:37,360
what post I was replying to or something, but I

1262
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:41,079
had said something about the cure and this guy whoever

1263
01:05:41,119 --> 01:05:43,559
he was, came back and said, well, why are you

1264
01:05:43,559 --> 01:05:45,719
even talking about a one hit one dar. I was like,

1265
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:48,280
oh God, this guy has no clue what he's talking about,

1266
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:51,440
Like none, But I feel like that's the perception a

1267
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:53,199
lot of people have the Key Cure. It's like just

1268
01:05:53,239 --> 01:05:55,000
the stuff you hear on the radio. You go and

1269
01:05:55,039 --> 01:05:58,840
they don't realize this catalog of music, thirteen albums, and

1270
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:01,639
every single album they've had big things to say. So

1271
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:04,599
when people start listening, yeah, like, Okay, maybe you don't

1272
01:06:04,639 --> 01:06:07,519
like the radio stop. My husband perfect example, and if

1273
01:06:07,519 --> 01:06:09,880
you can open your minds and hearts to it, it'll

1274
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:10,440
affect you.

1275
01:06:10,679 --> 01:06:12,719
Speaker 2: Ay man, I'm a convert. Thank you very much.

1276
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:17,440
Speaker 1: I genuinely appreciate you dragging me across the finish line.

1277
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:18,639
Speaker 2: As Jason put it.

1278
01:06:18,719 --> 01:06:21,639
Speaker 1: I'm really glad that I got to explore this album.

1279
01:06:21,679 --> 01:06:24,639
Speaker 2: Not only did you bring this to us, but I mean,

1280
01:06:24,679 --> 01:06:26,840
we've got thousands of listeners out there that might be

1281
01:06:27,039 --> 01:06:28,079
hearing this for the first time.

1282
01:06:28,119 --> 01:06:31,079
Speaker 3: Really, so yeah, I'm so excited to see what some

1283
01:06:31,119 --> 01:06:34,119
of the feedback is and stuff. So it's worth mentioning

1284
01:06:34,199 --> 01:06:36,079
that they were inducted in the Hall of Fame Rock

1285
01:06:36,079 --> 01:06:37,960
and Roll Hall of Fame and back in twenty nineteen

1286
01:06:38,119 --> 01:06:41,960
by none other than Trent Reznor. Okay of nine Inch

1287
01:06:42,039 --> 01:06:45,559
Nails my number five favorite group in the entire world,

1288
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:49,760
and he summed it up perfectly in his speech. Trent

1289
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:52,719
Reznor says they've sold the best part of who gives

1290
01:06:52,719 --> 01:06:56,599
a how many million records and been an essential touchstone

1291
01:06:56,719 --> 01:06:59,639
in the genres of post rock, new way of goth

1292
01:06:59,719 --> 01:07:02,880
all tnative, shoegaze, and post rock. They've been in and

1293
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:05,239
out of fashion so many times in the last four

1294
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:08,719
decades that they ended up transcending fashion itself. He also

1295
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:11,199
says the Cure one of the most unique, most brilliant,

1296
01:07:11,239 --> 01:07:15,280
most heartbreakingly excellent rock bands the world has ever known.

1297
01:07:15,559 --> 01:07:17,440
My husband and I just visited the Rock and Roll

1298
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:19,559
Hall of Fame, you guys, I was in heaven. We

1299
01:07:19,719 --> 01:07:22,880
just were there in lie i want to say. And

1300
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:25,320
they have their little plaque and everything you know that

1301
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:29,960
all the inductees get, but absolutely zero memorabilia was donated

1302
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:33,199
by the Cure. So the Hall of Fame nothing, because

1303
01:07:33,199 --> 01:07:35,360
you know, Robert's like a minimalist. He's like, I only

1304
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:38,559
have these things. You know, I can't give them up.

1305
01:07:38,639 --> 01:07:42,400
Speaker 2: So my satchel got the lyrics and that's it, and

1306
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:47,800
my wife that's right, we'll work guitar. That's it. Amanda.

1307
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:51,599
Speaker 1: We could not have picked a better guest host for

1308
01:07:51,719 --> 01:07:56,280
this album than you. You've been fantastic. Your emotional connection

1309
01:07:56,719 --> 01:07:59,480
and love for this band came through very clearly.

1310
01:07:59,679 --> 01:08:01,840
Speaker 2: Thank you. Thank you so much for coming and joining

1311
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:02,280
us for this.

1312
01:08:02,559 --> 01:08:03,280
Speaker 3: Thank you, guys.

1313
01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:06,920
Speaker 2: We'll come back next week as we dive into Depeche

1314
01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:10,440
Modes Violator as recommended by Amanda. We're going to have

1315
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:12,599
Genie Alexander come on and she's going to talk about

1316
01:08:12,599 --> 01:08:15,679
it with us, and we'll get your final judgment. We'll

1317
01:08:15,679 --> 01:08:18,119
make a final judgment. We'll get Genie's final judgment, and

1318
01:08:18,159 --> 01:08:21,600
we'll see where we land next week the Cure versus

1319
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:25,039
Depeche Mode. Come back then, Thanks Amanda.

1320
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:27,359
Speaker 3: I love it. Thanks so much you guys. This is

1321
01:08:27,399 --> 01:08:27,960
so fun.

1322
01:08:28,159 --> 01:08:29,159
Speaker 2: See you guys next week.

1323
01:08:32,439 --> 01:08:34,520
Speaker 3: And I did have one other fun thing for you guys.

1324
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:37,319
Here's my best list. Okay, see if you can figure

1325
01:08:37,359 --> 01:08:40,239
out what I'm throwing down here. Okay, for you thriller

1326
01:08:40,399 --> 01:08:44,319
only because off the Wall wasn't an option. Airplane, Van Hager,

1327
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:48,279
Back to the Future, Pyromania, Gladiator Never Saw but Russell

1328
01:08:48,319 --> 01:08:54,680
Crow always slaps, trading places, never mind Major League Superman, Synchronicity, Jaws,

1329
01:08:55,039 --> 01:08:58,399
Back in Black, Cannonball Run, Faith, George Michael is always

1330
01:08:58,399 --> 01:09:00,840
going to be the King, Bill and Ted's excellent Adventure,

1331
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:03,880
Doctor Feel Good, Fright Night, Sign of the Times because

1332
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:06,039
I'm the only person in the world who despises you too.

1333
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:09,920
Die Heard New Jersey, Dumb and Dummer, Get a Grip,

1334
01:09:10,079 --> 01:09:15,479
Happy Gilmore, Huey, Lewis and the News, Sports, Ghostbusters, Footloose, Aliens, Terminator,

1335
01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:18,560
Silends of the Lambs, American Werewolf in London, Young Guns,

1336
01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:23,159
Easty Boys, Christmas Story, Batman eighty nine, Toto Always Toto,

1337
01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:29,039
Dirty Dancing, the Thing, White Snake, RoboCop, Alison Chains, Christmas Vacation,

1338
01:09:29,279 --> 01:09:33,479
Groundhog Day, Outsiders, and Innocent Man, Big Lebowski. I hate

1339
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:35,920
both Big and Twins, Living Colors.

1340
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:40,319
Speaker 5: Vivid Vacation, Vacation, Although Jason is dead wrong about the

1341
01:09:40,319 --> 01:09:44,119
Great Outdoors, Cinerolla's Long Cold Winter, and the theme songs

1342
01:09:44,239 --> 01:09:46,560
seventy nine to or seventy five to seventy nine tie

1343
01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:49,479
between Three's Company in Dallas, eighty to eighty four, Love

1344
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:52,319
Vote eighty five to eighty nine, Fulhouse ninety to ninety four,

1345
01:09:52,359 --> 01:09:54,399
Saved by the Bell ninety five to ninety nine, South

1346
01:09:54,399 --> 01:09:55,079
for Boom.

1347
01:09:55,159 --> 01:09:56,680
Speaker 3: In case you were wondering.

1348
01:09:56,600 --> 01:10:01,479
Speaker 2: Wow, that's great. That was fantastic,