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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the quart Side Quantum Physics Podcast, an exploration

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<v Speaker 1>of the fundamental structure of reality, where quantum laws govern matter, energy,

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<v Speaker 1>and information. Here, uncertainty is a feature, not a flaw,

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<v Speaker 1>and understanding begins at the smallest scales.

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<v Speaker 2>I think everyone has that moment eventually. Oh yeah, you're

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<v Speaker 2>sitting in traffic maybe, or you're just staring at a

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<v Speaker 2>ceiling fan at three in the morning, and your brain

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<v Speaker 2>just starts playing the what if game?

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<v Speaker 3>Right, the what if game?

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<v Speaker 2>What if I'd taken that job in Chicago, what if

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<v Speaker 2>I hadn't ordered the shellfish?

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<v Speaker 4>What if I'd turn left instead of right ten years ago.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the road not taken exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the road not taken. And it's I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>fundamental to how we process regret or relief or just

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<v Speaker 2>you know, simple curiosity.

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<v Speaker 4>It's part of the human condition, it is, and usually we.

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<v Speaker 2>Treat these as fantasies, their mental exercises. In fiction, they're

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<v Speaker 2>plot devices, you know, the mirror universe where everyone is

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<v Speaker 2>evil and has a goateee.

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<v Speaker 4>Of course, the goatee is the classic signifier.

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<v Speaker 2>But the material we are looking at today suggests something, well,

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<v Speaker 2>something pretty unsettling. It suggests that those what ifs aren't fantasies.

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<v Speaker 3>At all, not even close.

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<v Speaker 2>They might be the literal, mathematical architecture of our reality.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a concept that You're right.

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<v Speaker 4>It sounds like it belongs in a comic book, but

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<v Speaker 4>it's actually one of the most rigorous, I would even

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<v Speaker 4>say conservative, and definitely hotly debated ideas in modern physics.

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<v Speaker 2>We are talking, of course, about the many world's interpretation

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<v Speaker 2>of quantum mechanics. MWI and I want to set the

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<v Speaker 2>table properly here because we've gone through a massive stack

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<v Speaker 2>of sources, from Hugh Everett's original nineteen fifty seven thesis

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<v Speaker 2>all the way to modern analysis by philosophers of science

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<v Speaker 2>like David Wallace.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a huge body of work.

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<v Speaker 2>It is. And the goal today isn't to just say

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<v Speaker 2>whoa parallel universes are cool?

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<v Speaker 4>Right, that's the popside version. We aren't here for the

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<v Speaker 4>sci fi tropes. Yeah, We're here to understand why why

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<v Speaker 4>a serious sober physicist would look at the fundamental math

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<v Speaker 4>of the universe and conclude that the only logical explanation

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<v Speaker 4>is that everything that can happen does happen.

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<v Speaker 2>And that is the crux of it, This theory wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>invented to write a good story.

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<v Speaker 3>No, not at all.

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<v Speaker 2>It was invented to fix a problem, a massive glaring

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<v Speaker 2>hole in our understanding of how the world actually works.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the most important context. You have to start there.

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<v Speaker 4>Many world creates a lot of let's say, philosophical headaches,

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<v Speaker 4>a few, Yeah, but it solves a physics crisis, a

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<v Speaker 4>genuine textbook breaking crisis.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's get right into that. I want to start

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<v Speaker 2>with the big headline claim, just to get my own

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<v Speaker 2>head around it. Again. When we talk about many worlds

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<v Speaker 2>or MWI, we are effectively saying that if I had

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<v Speaker 2>a choice between coffee and tea this morning, and I

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<v Speaker 2>picked coffee, Okay, there's a version of me physically just

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<v Speaker 2>as real as I am right now, who picked.

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<v Speaker 3>T Yes, that's the claim.

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<v Speaker 2>And that version of me is existing right now, in

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<v Speaker 2>this moment.

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<v Speaker 4>Existing right now in a branch of what's called the

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<v Speaker 4>universal wave function that is, for all intents and purposes,

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<v Speaker 4>causally disconnected from the one you and I are currently

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<v Speaker 4>recording it.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that is the claim, and it's a big one.

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<v Speaker 2>So to understand how we could possibly get there, you're right.

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<v Speaker 2>We have to start with the villain of the story.

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<v Speaker 2>The villain, yes, the thing that many worlds is trying

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<v Speaker 2>to defeat. And in our notes this is referred to

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<v Speaker 2>as the quantum measurement problem.

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<v Speaker 3>Correct.

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<v Speaker 4>You really can't appreciate the elegance of the solution, Everett's

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<v Speaker 4>solution unless you understand just how broken and frankly, how

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<v Speaker 4>cluggy the standard explanation was.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's go back to basics quantum mechanics. We know

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<v Speaker 2>that at the subatomic level, electrons photons, the absolute building

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<v Speaker 2>blocks of matter. Things do not behave like billiard balls.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, It's a completely different rule book. In our macroscopic world,

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<v Speaker 4>a billiard ball has a definite position and a definite speed.

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<v Speaker 2>It is either here or it is there.

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<v Speaker 3>You can point at it, you can point at it.

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<v Speaker 4>But in the quantum world, before you measure a particle,

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<v Speaker 4>it doesn't have those definite properties. It exists in something

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<v Speaker 4>called a superposition.

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<v Speaker 2>I've always visualized this as a haze or a cloud

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<v Speaker 2>of possibility. The electron isn't a single point, it's a

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<v Speaker 2>smear of probability.

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<v Speaker 4>That's a good heuristic, It's a really good way to

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<v Speaker 4>think about it Mathematically, it's described by something called a

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<v Speaker 4>wave function, right, and this wave function assigns a number

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<v Speaker 4>technically a complex number and amplitude to every possible location

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<v Speaker 4>the electron could be found in.

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<v Speaker 2>So the electron is effectively everywhere within that wave at.

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<v Speaker 4>Once in a very real physical sense. Yes, it's not

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<v Speaker 4>that we don't know where it is. Is that it

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<v Speaker 4>doesn't have a single wear.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. So we have this wave, this cloud of possibility,

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<v Speaker 2>and we have a law that governs how that wave

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<v Speaker 2>moves and changes over time.

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<v Speaker 3>We do the Schrodinger equation.

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<v Speaker 2>The Shroding your equations.

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<v Speaker 4>This is the bedrock, This is the absolute foundation. It

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<v Speaker 4>is to quantum mechanics what Newton's laws of motion are

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<v Speaker 4>to you throwing a baseball.

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<v Speaker 2>And what's the key thing to understand about it?

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<v Speaker 4>The key thing, the absolutely critical thing, is that the

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<v Speaker 4>Schrodinger equation is deterministic and it is linear.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's break that down. Deterministic meaning if I know

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<v Speaker 2>the state of the wave right now, I can predict

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what it will look like in five.

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<v Speaker 3>Minutes, exactly to the letter.

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<v Speaker 4>It evolves smoothly, the wave ripples out. It might interfere

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<v Speaker 4>with itself. It's changes shape, but it does so in

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<v Speaker 4>a perfectly predictable, continuous way.

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<v Speaker 2>It never jumps, it never snaps, never.

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<v Speaker 3>The math is smooth as glass.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is the big butt.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's the problem, here's the crisis.

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<v Speaker 2>When we actually look at an electron, when we hit

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<v Speaker 2>it with a photon, when we measure it with a detector,

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<v Speaker 2>we don't see a wave. We don't see a smear.

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<v Speaker 2>We see a dot. We see it at one specific location.

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<v Speaker 4>And that is a measurement problem in a nutshell. How

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<v Speaker 4>do you get from smear to dot? The math says

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<v Speaker 4>it should all be a smear our. I say it's

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<v Speaker 4>always a dot.

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<v Speaker 2>The math is smooth, but reality looks chunky.

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<v Speaker 4>Chunky is a great word for it quantized.

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<v Speaker 2>So the standard answer, the one that's been taught in

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<v Speaker 2>textbooks for nearly a century now, is called the Copenhagen interpretation.

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<v Speaker 4>Developed by the giants Nils Bohr, Werner Heisenberg and their colleagues.

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<v Speaker 3>In the nineteen twenties.

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<v Speaker 2>And what was their solution.

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<v Speaker 4>Their solution was to introduce a new rule, a second rule,

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<v Speaker 4>completely separate from the Schrodinger equation. They said that when

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<v Speaker 4>a measurement is made by an observer, the wave function collapses.

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<v Speaker 2>Collapses. It's such a violent word it is.

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<v Speaker 4>It goes instantly from that spread out wave of possibilities

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<v Speaker 4>to a single definite spike at one location, and all

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<v Speaker 4>the other possibility they vanished.

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<v Speaker 3>They vanished from reality instantly.

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<v Speaker 2>This has always felt incredibly clumsy to me. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>it's not elegant. It basically says the laws of physics

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<v Speaker 2>work one way when no one is looking, this beautiful

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<v Speaker 2>smooth wave like evolution, right, and then they work in

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<v Speaker 2>a completely different, random, instantaneous way the moment I opened

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<v Speaker 4>It is clumsy. It's what physicists call ad hoc. It's

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<v Speaker 4>a rule tacked onto the theory for the sole purpose

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<v Speaker 4>of explaining why we don't see superpositions in our daily lives.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's not in the math.

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<v Speaker 3>It is absolutely not in the math.

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<v Speaker 4>The Schrodinger equation doesn't have a collapse term. There's no

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<v Speaker 4>variable for observers looking now.

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<v Speaker 2>It effectively requires magic.

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<v Speaker 3>It does.

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<v Speaker 2>It requires the act of observation, maybe even consciousness, to

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<v Speaker 2>fundamentally alter physical reality instantaneously and in a way that

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<v Speaker 2>literally violates the primary equation of the theory.

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<v Speaker 4>And it creates this infamous Heisenberg cut problem, which is

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<v Speaker 4>what it's a question of where you draw the line,

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<v Speaker 4>where does the quantum world stop and the classical world begin.

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<v Speaker 4>Is an atom quantum, yes, obviously, is a molecule made

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<v Speaker 4>of atoms? Quantum is a virus, is a bacterium? Is

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<v Speaker 4>a cat? Is a human observer? At what point does

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<v Speaker 4>that causes a wave to collapse?

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<v Speaker 2>And Copenhagen can't answer that.

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<v Speaker 4>It has no answer. It just says the cut is

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<v Speaker 4>somewhere between the small thing and the big thing. It's

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<v Speaker 4>completely arbitrary.

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<v Speaker 2>So we have this situation where the core math is

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<v Speaker 2>beautiful and continuous and predictive, but our interpretation of it

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<v Speaker 2>requires this ugly, unexplained, arbitrary snap. Every time we decide

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<v Speaker 2>to measure something exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a patch.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a software fix for a bug in our understanding

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<v Speaker 4>of reality, and a lot of physicists, even back then,

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<v Speaker 4>we're deeply unhappy with it.

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<v Speaker 2>So enter Hugh Everett the Third. It's nineteen fifty seven.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a graduate student at Princeton studying under the famous

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<v Speaker 2>John Wheeler. He looks at this whole mass.

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<v Speaker 3>This whole Frankenstein's monster of a theory.

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<v Speaker 2>And he proposes something just breathtakingly radical.

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<v Speaker 4>He asks a question that is almost childlike in its simplicity,

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<v Speaker 4>it's so powerful. He just asks, what if the Schrodinger

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<v Speaker 4>equation is just true all the time, all the time,

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<v Speaker 4>for everything, no exceptions.

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<v Speaker 2>Meaning, what if the wave function never collapses?

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<v Speaker 4>Right? What if we just take that second role, the

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<v Speaker 4>collapse postulate, and we just delete it, We throw it

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<v Speaker 4>in the trash. What if we assume that the wave

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<v Speaker 4>evolves smoothly forever, even during a measurement.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, but that's the whole problem, right, Yeah, if the

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<v Speaker 2>waves never collapses, then the superposition never goes away.

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<v Speaker 4>It doesn't.

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<v Speaker 2>The electron is still in multiple places at once, but

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<v Speaker 2>I see it in one place. My detector gives me

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<v Speaker 2>one click. How did Everett reconcile the math? Says it's

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<v Speaker 2>everywhere with my eyes say it's here.

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<v Speaker 3>This is his genius.

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<v Speaker 4>This is where we have to talk about entanglement, right,

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<v Speaker 4>This is the engine that drives the whole many world's idea.

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<v Speaker 2>Usually when we hear entanglement, we think of that spooky

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<v Speaker 2>action at a distance between two particles on our part.

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<v Speaker 3>Einstein's famous phrase.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but ever it applied it in a new way, right.

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<v Speaker 2>He applied it to the observer.

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<v Speaker 3>He did.

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<v Speaker 4>He took the Copenhagen interpretation's biggest problem, the special status

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<v Speaker 2>Which I mean that just makes sense. We are made

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<v Speaker 2>of atoms. Of course, atoms obey the laws of quantum mechanics.

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<v Speaker 2>Therefore we obey the laws of quantum mechanics exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>There is no cut, there is no classical world.

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<v Speaker 4>It's all just quantum mechanics from the bottom all the

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<v Speaker 2>So let's trace the chain of events in Everetts view.

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<v Speaker 2>Walk me through a measurement.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, you have an electron in a superposition. Let's say

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<v Speaker 2>A simple two state system.

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<v Speaker 4>The electron interacts with your detector at that moment they

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<v Speaker 2>So it's not just the electron anymore. The detector is

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<v Speaker 2>now in a state of gonna flash red, gonna flash green.

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<v Speaker 4>Precisely, position has grown to include the detector. Now the

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<v Speaker 2>The photon hits my retina.

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<v Speaker 4>Now your eye is entangled with the detector, which is

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<v Speaker 4>entangled with the electron. Your retina is in a superposition

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<v Speaker 4>of registered a red flash and registered a green flash, and.

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<v Speaker 2>That signal goes to my brain.

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<v Speaker 4>And now you are entangled your brain state. The specific

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<v Speaker 4>pattern of neurons firing enters a superposition. There is a

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<v Speaker 4>state of you that saw the red light and thinks ah,

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<v Speaker 2>So the superposition didn't disappear, It didn't collapse, It just grew,

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<v Speaker 2>It spread, it.

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<v Speaker 4>Spread, it engulfed you. The wave function of the entire

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<v Speaker 4>universe now contains two distinct components, two branches, and.

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<v Speaker 2>In one component there is the U who saw a

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<v Speaker 2>And because the schroding Your equation is linear, these two components,

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<v Speaker 2>these two branches, they just they continue to evolve independently

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<v Speaker 3>That's the key.

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<v Speaker 4>Once they split, for all practical purposes, they don't interact anymore.

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<v Speaker 4>This is why it's called the many world's interpretation. It's

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<v Speaker 4>not that the universe physically splits apart like a log

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<v Speaker 2>That's the sci fi image it is.

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<v Speaker 4>It's more like the universal wave function differentiates into non

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<v Speaker 4>interacting branches, each of which contains a consistent version of reality,

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<v Speaker 4>each of which feels from the inside like a complete universe.

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<v Speaker 2>This brings us inevitably to the cat. I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>we are legally required by the laws of physics podcasting

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<v Speaker 2>to discuss Schrodinger's cat.

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<v Speaker 4>We can't avoid the cat. It's the most famous thought

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<v Speaker 4>experiment in history.

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<v Speaker 2>So the classic setup a cat in a box. There's

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<v Speaker 2>a single radioactive atom, there's a Geiger counter. If the

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<v Speaker 4>Counter, which releases a hammer, which smashes a vial of poison,

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<v Speaker 2>Cat dies A bit morbid but okay, if the atom

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<v Speaker 4>Cat lives, right, and you leave it in there for

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<v Speaker 4>exactly one half life, So there's a perfect fifty to

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<v Speaker 2>And since the atom is a quantum system, it's not

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<v Speaker 2>decayed or not decayed. It's in a quantum superposition of

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<v Speaker 2>decayed ind not decayed.

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<v Speaker 4>Which means the entire system in the box becomes entangled.

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<v Speaker 4>The Geiger counter is in a superposition of triggered and

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<v Speaker 4>not triggered. The hammers fallen and not fallen, the poison

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<v Speaker 4>is released and not released.

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<v Speaker 2>And therefore the cat ends up in a superposition of

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<v Speaker 2>dead and.

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<v Speaker 4>Alive, which is the absurd conclusion Schrodinger was trying to

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<v Speaker 4>point out. He was trying to show how ridiculous the

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<v Speaker 4>Copenhagen view was when you scaled it up right.

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<v Speaker 2>He was saying, look, if you take your math seriously,

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<v Speaker 2>you get this nonsense. A cat that's both dead and alive.

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<v Speaker 4>And in the Copenhagen view, the absurdity is resolved.

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<v Speaker 3>When you open the box.

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<v Speaker 4>The active observation forces the universe to choose snap, the

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<v Speaker 4>wave function collapses, the cat is definitively dead. Or are

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<v Speaker 4>definitively alive.

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<v Speaker 2>But in everts view.

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<v Speaker 4>In everts view, the universe makes no choice. The math

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<v Speaker 4>is never absurd. The math is the reality. The atom

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<v Speaker 4>is both. The poison is released and not released.

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<v Speaker 3>The cat is dead and alive.

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<v Speaker 2>And when I open the lid.

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<v Speaker 4>You become part of the system. You become entangled with

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<v Speaker 4>the contents of the box. The superposition just expands one

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<v Speaker 4>final time to include you.

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<v Speaker 2>So the universe now contains a branch.

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<v Speaker 4>A branch with a dead cat and a very sad

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<v Speaker 4>observer who is now looking at.

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<v Speaker 2>A dead cat in another branch, and.

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<v Speaker 4>A completely separate branch with a live cat and a

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<v Speaker 4>very happy, relieved observer.

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<v Speaker 2>And the crucial point here, the thing that's so hard

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<v Speaker 2>to grasp, is that both of those observers are me.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, they're both you. They both share your exact memories

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<v Speaker 4>up to the very moment of the split. They both

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<v Speaker 4>feel like the one and only real you.

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<v Speaker 2>The you looking at the live cat feels like the

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<v Speaker 2>only you. He has no idea his counterpart.

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<v Speaker 4>Exists, and the you looking at the dead cat feels

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<v Speaker 4>like the only you. He is now living in a

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<v Speaker 4>to the reality where it lived.

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<v Speaker 2>This solves the measurement problem because there is no measurement problem.

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<v Speaker 4>There's no collapse. The math just keeps running.

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<v Speaker 3>It's seamless.

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<v Speaker 2>It creates a perfectly seamless deterministic physics. The entire wave

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<v Speaker 2>function of the universe evolves according to one single rule.

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<v Speaker 4>But the cost, the cost is that we have to

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<v Speaker 4>accept that all these other outcomes, all these other branches,

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<v Speaker 4>actually exist. They are not possibilities, they are realities, which.

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<v Speaker 2>Brings up the immediate subjective objection, the thing everyone asks.

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<v Speaker 3>First, I know exactly what you're.

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<v Speaker 2>Going to say. I don't feel like I'm splitting. If

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<v Speaker 2>I'm constantly branching into literally billions of copies every second,

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<v Speaker 2>shouldn't I feel I don't know, stretched or diluted or something.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a very common intuition, a very natural one. But

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<v Speaker 4>the physics actually explains precisely why you don't feel it.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a phenomenon called decoherence.

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<v Speaker 2>We see this term a lot in the sources. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a more modern addition to Everett's original idea. Right, he

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<v Speaker 2>didn't have the full picture.

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<v Speaker 4>That's right, the full mathematical theory of decoherence was really

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<v Speaker 4>developed in the seventies and eighties, and it's what makes

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<v Speaker 4>MWI a truly robust modern theory. It's the wall between

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<v Speaker 2>So what is it? How does it work?

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<v Speaker 4>Think of it this way. Why do we see weird

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<v Speaker 4>quantum effects like superposition and interference in tiny isolated atoms

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<v Speaker 4>but not in big things like bowling balls, Because they're

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<v Speaker 4>it's not just the size, it's the interaction. Big things

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<v Speaker 4>are constantly interacting with the environment, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Air molecules, photons from the lights, thermal radiation. They're constantly

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<v Speaker 4>Billions and billions of them every nanosecond, and all those

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<v Speaker 4>tiny interactions carry away information. They scramble the phases of

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<v Speaker 4>the different parts of the wave function. This process is decoherence.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, scramble the phases. I like the analogy of the

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<v Speaker 2>radio stations that was used in one of the papers.

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<v Speaker 2>Can we unpack that?

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<v Speaker 4>It's a perfect analogy. Imagine you have two radio stations.

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<v Speaker 4>If they are broadcasting on frequencies that are very very

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<v Speaker 2>Five to one FM, You'll get in inference.

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<v Speaker 4>You'll get interference you'll hear a staticky mess. You'll hear

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<v Speaker 4>bits of both at once. That's like a quantum superposition

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<v Speaker 4>where the branches are still coherent. They can still interact

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<v Speaker 4>and interfere with each other, like.

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<v Speaker 2>In the famous double flit experiment, where an electron wave interferes.

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<v Speaker 3>With itself exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>But as the system you the cat, the detector interacts

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<v Speaker 4>with the environment, the branches get kicked by all those

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<v Speaker 4>air molecules and photons, and it causes them to drift

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<v Speaker 4>apart in frequency.

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<v Speaker 2>They become mathematically orthogonal. Orthogonal is the technical term. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a fancy word from geometry that just means they're at

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<v Speaker 2>right angles to each other in this abstract mathematical space.

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<v Speaker 3>But they have zero overlap.

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<v Speaker 2>Zero overlap. Yeah. Once decoherence happens, which for a macroscopic

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<v Speaker 2>object like a cat or a person, takes an unthinkably

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<v Speaker 2>tiny fraction of a second, the live cat branch and

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<v Speaker 2>the dead cat branch are completely out of phase with

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<v Speaker 2>each other. They can no longer affect each other in

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<v Speaker 2>any way. So if I am the live cat observer,

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<v Speaker 2>the reason I don't see that goes to the dead

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<v Speaker 2>cat is this reason I don't hear ninety eight point

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<v Speaker 2>five FM when my radio is tuned to one on

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<v Speaker 2>one point five FM.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a perfect analogy. The radio waves for that other

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<v Speaker 4>station are in the room. They're passing through your body

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<v Speaker 4>right now. They're physically present.

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<v Speaker 2>But my receiver, my reality isn't in tuned to them.

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<v Speaker 4>You are dynamically isolated from them. They can't interfere, they

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<v Speaker 4>can't make your speaker vibrate. They are, for all intents

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<v Speaker 4>and purposes, in a separate universe.

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<v Speaker 2>So the worlds aren't floating in bubbles in outer space. No,

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<v Speaker 2>they are superimposed right here, right now, in this room.

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<v Speaker 4>They occupy the same space. They just don't interact.

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<v Speaker 2>That is I mean, it's logically sound, but it is

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<v Speaker 2>emotionally terrifying.

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<v Speaker 4>It's what makes the theory so robust. Though it's not

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<v Speaker 4>an extra assumption, it's a direct consequence of the Schrewdinger

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<v Speaker 4>equation itself. It explains why the world looks classical while

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<v Speaker 4>we see one definite thing, even if the underlying reality

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<v Speaker 4>is this massive, branching quantum wave.

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<v Speaker 2>But let's play Devil's advocate for a bit, because this

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<v Speaker 2>theory is still very contras It's not like every physicist

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<v Speaker 2>is signed on. The sources identify two big persistent attacks

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<v Speaker 2>on MWI, right, the classics, the probability problem and the

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<v Speaker 2>extravagance complain, let's.

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<v Speaker 4>Tackle extravagance first, because it's the more philosophical one. This

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<v Speaker 4>is basically the Oukham's razor argument.

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<v Speaker 2>Ouckham's razor says, the simplest explanation is usually the best one.

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<v Speaker 4>Don't multiply entities beyond necessity, And.

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<v Speaker 2>Critics look at MWI and say, hold on, you're proposing

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<v Speaker 2>an infinite or near infinite number of universes branching off

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<v Speaker 2>every microsecond, just to explain where a single electron is.

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<v Speaker 2>That is the opposite of simple, That is ontologically bloated.

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<v Speaker 4>It's often called ontological extravagance. Yeah, things wasteful. Why create

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<v Speaker 4>all these worlds?

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<v Speaker 2>But the MWI defenders and evert yourself, even back in

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<v Speaker 2>the fifties have a very clever rebuttal to.

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<v Speaker 3>This they do.

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<v Speaker 4>They argue that you have to distinguish between the complexity

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<v Speaker 4>theory describes.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, unpack that difference for us.

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<v Speaker 4>The theory of many worlds is incre ardibly simple. You

436
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<v Speaker 4>could write it on a napkin. It consists of one equation,

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<v Speaker 4>the Schrodinger equation.

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<v Speaker 3>That's it.

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<v Speaker 4>No collapse postulate, no hidden variables, no measurement rules, no

440
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<v Speaker 4>arbitrary cut between quantum and classical. Just one beautiful linear

441
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<v Speaker 4>law that always applies.

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<v Speaker 2>So the input the theoretical machinery is as simple as

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<v Speaker 2>it could possibly be.

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<v Speaker 4>But that simple input, when you let it run, generates

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<v Speaker 4>a fantastically complex output the multiverse.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Now compare that to the Copenhagen interpretation.

447
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<v Speaker 4>Copenhagen gives you a simple output one world the one we.

448
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<v Speaker 2>See, which feels less extravagant.

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<v Speaker 4>But to get that simple output, the theory has to

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<v Speaker 4>be a mess. You need the Schrodinger equation plus the

451
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<v Speaker 4>collapse postulate, plus a definition of measurement, plus a rule

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<v Speaker 4>for where to place the Heisenberg cut.

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<v Speaker 2>So the argument is which is more parsimonious simple laws

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<v Speaker 2>that generate a complex universe or complex messy ad hoc

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<v Speaker 2>laws to force the universe to stay simple?

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<v Speaker 4>Exactly, and Everett argues that the entire history of science

457
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<v Speaker 4>has been about finding the simplest possible laws, even if

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<v Speaker 4>they reveal the universe to be larger and stranger than

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<v Speaker 4>we were comfortable with.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a great point when we realized the Earth wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>the center of the solar.

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<v Speaker 3>System, a perfect example.

463
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<v Speaker 2>The math game much simpler. Heliocentrism is mathematically cleaner than

464
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<v Speaker 2>the epicycles of geocentrism, but the universe suddenly got way

465
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<v Speaker 2>way bigger, and we feeled a lot less important.

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<v Speaker 4>Precisely, MWI is just the ultimate extension of that Copernican principle.

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<v Speaker 4>We aren't special. Our outcome isn't the only one. We

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<v Speaker 4>aren't the only show in town.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I think that's a very compelling defense for the

470
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<v Speaker 2>extravagance charge, But the probability problem seems stickier. This one

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<v Speaker 2>actually gave me a headache while I was reading about it.

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<v Speaker 4>It's the technical achilles heel of the theory, and it's

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<v Speaker 4>where most of the modern debate happens.

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<v Speaker 2>So here's my understanding of it. In standard quantum mechanics,

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<v Speaker 2>we use something called the Born rule to calculate probability

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<v Speaker 2>correct It says that the probability of an outcome is

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<v Speaker 2>related to the amplitude of it. It's part of the

478
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<v Speaker 2>wave function. If the wave amplitude is big, the probability

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<v Speaker 2>is high.

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<v Speaker 4>Probability equals amplitude squared to be precise, and it works perfectly.

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<v Speaker 4>It's one of the most well tested rules in all

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<v Speaker 4>of science.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, But in many worlds everything happens. If I flip

484
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<v Speaker 2>a quantum coin in one branch, it's heads, in another

485
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<v Speaker 2>its tails. Both outcomes exist with one hundred percent certainty

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<v Speaker 2>in the multiverse as a whole. Yes, So how can

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<v Speaker 2>I say there's a fifty percent chance of heads. The

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<v Speaker 2>concept of chance seems to lose all meaning if every

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<v Speaker 2>outcome is guaranteed to occur somewhere, or thirty percent chance

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<v Speaker 2>of rain.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a deep, deep problem.

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<v Speaker 4>If all branches are equally real, why do we experience

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<v Speaker 4>the world as if they aren't. Why do we experience

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<v Speaker 4>the statistics of the born rule?

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<v Speaker 2>Right? If I buy a lottery ticket, there is a

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<v Speaker 2>branch where I win. I know that for a fact

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<v Speaker 2>in mwy So why do I feel correctly that I

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<v Speaker 2>am almost certainly going to find myself in a branch

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<v Speaker 2>where I lose?

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<v Speaker 4>The modern defense, and this is largely from philosophers. A

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<v Speaker 4>physic like David Wallace and Simon Saunders relies on something

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<v Speaker 4>called self locating uncertainty and the concept of branch weight.

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<v Speaker 2>Branch weight. Okay, this sounds like we're literally weighing the universes.

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<v Speaker 4>In a sense, you are go back to the wave function.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not just a flat list of possibilities.

506
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<v Speaker 3>It has a shape.

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<v Speaker 4>Some parts of the wave are thicker than others, they

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<v Speaker 4>have a higher amplitude.

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<v Speaker 2>Is this the loaf of bread analogy?

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<v Speaker 4>I saw, Yes, I think that's a great one. Imagine

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<v Speaker 4>the total wave function of the universe. After you buy

512
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<v Speaker 4>a lottery ticket is a giant loaf of bread. After

513
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<v Speaker 4>the draw, you slice it. One slice, the lost the

514
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<v Speaker 4>lottery slice is ninety nine point nine nine nine nine

515
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<v Speaker 4>nine percent of.

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<v Speaker 2>The loaf, and the one the lottery slice is a microscopics.

517
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<v Speaker 4>Liver, a tiny crumb. Now, both slices exist, both are real.

518
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<v Speaker 2>But the argument is that you, the rational agent who

519
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<v Speaker 2>is about to experience one of these outcomes, should care

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<v Speaker 2>about the measure the weight of the brand you are

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<v Speaker 2>ending up in.

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<v Speaker 4>It's about where the bulk of U flows. The probability

523
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<v Speaker 4>isn't about if an outcome happened, It's about what fraction

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<v Speaker 4>of the total unice ends up in that outcome.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's not about if it happens, it's about where

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<v Speaker 2>the bulk of reality flows exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>Philosophers like David Wallace argue this using decision theory. They

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<v Speaker 4>basically prove that if you want to be a rational

529
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<v Speaker 4>actor in a branching universe, if you want to make

530
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<v Speaker 4>good bets, the only logical strategy is to bet according

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<v Speaker 4>to the weight of the branches, which just happens to

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<v Speaker 4>match the Born rule.

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<v Speaker 2>So when I say there was a one percent chance

534
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<v Speaker 2>of this happening, what I'm really saying is after this event,

535
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<v Speaker 2>one percent of the total stuff of the multiverse, including me,

536
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<v Speaker 2>will be in branches where this happened.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, and therefore you should expect to find yourself to

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<v Speaker 4>wake up in the next moment in the thicker branch.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a very subtle argument, and frankly, not everyone buys it.

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<v Speaker 4>It's still hotly debated, but it's the best and most

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<v Speaker 4>rigorous answer MWI has.

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<v Speaker 2>It redefines probability from how often does this happen to

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<v Speaker 2>how much me ends up there.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a perfect summary.

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<v Speaker 2>So okay, let's briefly look at the alternatives, because is

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<v Speaker 2>not the only game in town. If we don't like

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<v Speaker 2>it and we hate the magic of Copenhagen, what's left

548
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<v Speaker 2>on the menu.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, the sources we looked at highlight two main contenders

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<v Speaker 4>that try to offer a different way out, pilot wave

551
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<v Speaker 4>theory and objective Clacks theories.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's start with pilotwave. This is also called Bohemian mechanics.

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<v Speaker 4>Right after David Bone. This theory tries to restore the

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<v Speaker 4>classical particle. It says, look, the electron is a real

555
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<v Speaker 4>particle and it is in one definite place at all times,

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<v Speaker 4>so no superposition of location, no superpositional location. But it

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<v Speaker 4>says the particle is guided by a pilot wave that

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<v Speaker 4>is also real and tells it where to go.

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<v Speaker 2>So the wave is real and the particle is like

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<v Speaker 2>a tiny surfer riding on it.

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<v Speaker 4>That's a great way to put it. This gets rid

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<v Speaker 4>of the multiverse and the measurement problem. There is only

563
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<v Speaker 4>one world and the particle is always in it. But

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<v Speaker 4>the price you.

565
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<v Speaker 3>Pay is steep.

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<v Speaker 2>What's the catch?

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<v Speaker 4>It requires extreme non locality. The pilot wave has to

568
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<v Speaker 4>instantly know the position of every other particle in the

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<v Speaker 4>U S universe to correctly guide your one particle that.

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<v Speaker 2>Sounds like it clashes pretty hard with Einstein's relativity, which

571
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<v Speaker 2>says nothing can travel faster than light.

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<v Speaker 3>It does.

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<v Speaker 4>It's very, very hard to reconcile with Einstein, and to

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<v Speaker 4>many physicists it feels a bit artificial, like you're forcing

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<v Speaker 4>the universe to be classical just because you want it

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<v Speaker 4>to be by inventing this extra pilot wave entity.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so that's one and the other was objective collapse.

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<v Speaker 4>These are theories with names like GRW. They take a

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<v Speaker 4>different approach. They say, maybe the Schrodinger equation is just

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<v Speaker 4>slightly wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>WHOA, Okay, that is a bold move changing the fundamental

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<v Speaker 2>equation of quantum mechanics.

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<v Speaker 3>It is.

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<v Speaker 4>They add a tiny new mathematical term to the equation,

585
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<v Speaker 4>and this new term basically says, every once in a while,

586
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<v Speaker 4>completely on its own, a superposition just collapses randomly, no

587
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<v Speaker 4>observer needed.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's a built in self destruct mechanism for superpositions.

589
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<v Speaker 4>Yes, and it's set up so that for a single particle,

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<v Speaker 4>this spontaneous collapse would almost never happen, but for a

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<v Speaker 4>big object with trillions of particles, a collapse is guaranteed

592
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<v Speaker 4>to happen almost instantly.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's how it explains why we don't see cats

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<v Speaker 2>and superpositions exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>And the real beauty of this idea is that it's testable.

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<v Speaker 4>If the math is different, we should be able to

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<v Speaker 4>design an experiment to measure it. Have we we have,

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<v Speaker 4>And that's the problem for these theories. We keep doing

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<v Speaker 4>experiments making larger and larger objects into superpositions and keeping

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<v Speaker 4>them isolated, and we never see them collapse spontaneously.

601
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<v Speaker 2>So we're pushing the boundary.

602
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<v Speaker 4>We've done it with massive molecules, things with thousands of atoms.

603
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<v Speaker 4>They still act like perfect quantum waves. So the experimental

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<v Speaker 4>evidence is actually squeezing the objective collapse theories out of existence.

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<v Speaker 2>The more we confirm that the schroding your equation is

606
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<v Speaker 2>correct for bigger and bigger things, the more many worlds

607
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<v Speaker 2>just looks like the default truth you're left with if

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<v Speaker 2>you take the math series.

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<v Speaker 4>That's exactly the modern argument for it. It's the simplest

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<v Speaker 4>theory whose predictions haven't been falsified.

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<v Speaker 2>This leads us to the legacy of the theory. Touch

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<v Speaker 2>on the personal story of Hugh Everett again, because it's

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<v Speaker 2>honestly tragic.

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<v Speaker 3>It really is.

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<v Speaker 4>Here's a guy who, in his mid twenties as a

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<v Speaker 4>grad student, solves what is arguably the biggest conceptual problem

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<v Speaker 4>in all of physics. He writes this brilliant, revolutionary thesis,

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<v Speaker 4>and the reaction from the physics community crickets, crickets, or worse,

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<v Speaker 4>open mockery. Neils Bohr, who was basically the pope of

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<v Speaker 4>quantum physics at the time, completely dismissed it without even

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<v Speaker 4>really engaging with it.

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<v Speaker 2>His advisor, the famous John Wheeler, he tried to protect

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<v Speaker 2>him right, but he was also caught in the middle.

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<v Speaker 4>Wheeler was a diplomat. He saw the genius in Everett's idea,

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<v Speaker 4>but he also wanted to stay on good terms with

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<v Speaker 4>Bohr and the Copenhagen establishment, so he made effort rewrite

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<v Speaker 4>the thesis. They cut out all the most radical and

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<v Speaker 4>most exciting language about splitting worlds and observers, and they

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<v Speaker 4>called it the relative state formulation. They made it as

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<v Speaker 4>dry and obscure and mathematically dense as possible.

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<v Speaker 2>It buried the lead.

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<v Speaker 4>They completely buried it, and Everett, who was by all

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<v Speaker 4>accounts a proud and sensitive man, was just discouraged. He

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<v Speaker 4>basically said, fine, if you don't want my idea, and

635
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<v Speaker 4>he walked away from academic physics.

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<v Speaker 2>He went to work for the Pentagon doing Cold war analysis.

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<v Speaker 4>He did he became a defense analyst. He used his

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<v Speaker 4>incredible mathematical genius to model nuclear war strategies and weapons systems.

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<v Speaker 4>He spent the rest of his life in a suit

640
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<v Speaker 4>chainsmoking calculating megadeths, while his theory about the fundamental nature

641
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<v Speaker 4>of reality gathered dust on a shelf.

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<v Speaker 2>And he died young, didn't he before the theory really

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<v Speaker 2>started to get popular.

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<v Speaker 4>He died of a heart attack in nineteen eighty two

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<v Speaker 4>at age fifty one, just as the theory was starting

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<v Speaker 4>to be rediscovered and championed by people like Bryce DeWitt,

647
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<v Speaker 4>who coined the name Many Worlds, and a young David Deutsch.

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<v Speaker 4>Everett never saw his vindication.

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<v Speaker 2>Speaking of David Deutsch, this is a connection I hadn't

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<v Speaker 2>made before going through the sources, the really strong link

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<v Speaker 2>between Many Worlds and the field of quantum computing.

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<v Speaker 4>This is a crucial modern piece of the puzzle. David

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<v Speaker 4>Deutsch's one of the founding fathers of quantum computing, and

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<v Speaker 4>he is a die hard, unapologetic proponent of Many Worlds.

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<v Speaker 2>Why what's the connection? I mean, it seems like two

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<v Speaker 2>separate fields.

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<v Speaker 4>Think about how a quantum computer actually works. It's not

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<v Speaker 4>just a faster classical computer. It doesn't just check one

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<v Speaker 4>answer at a time. It puts its bits, its quibits,

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<v Speaker 4>into a massive superposition to check millions or billions of

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<v Speaker 4>possible answers simultaneously.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, it's parallel processing on an exponential scale.

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<v Speaker 4>So Deutsch asks a very simple, very practical, almost engineering

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<v Speaker 4>level question, where are those calculations actually happening?

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<v Speaker 2>I see where this is going.

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<v Speaker 4>If you have a quantum computer chip with just three

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<v Speaker 4>hundred interacting quibits, it can perform more simultaneous calculations than

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<v Speaker 4>there are atoms in the entire visible universe.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a staggering number.

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<v Speaker 4>It is, so Deutsch asks, if there is only one universe,

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<v Speaker 4>how can that one little silicon chip, which is made

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<v Speaker 4>of a finite number of atoms, hold and process a

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<v Speaker 4>quantity of information larger than the universe itself.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't fit. The numbers don't add up.

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<v Speaker 4>Deutsch argues that the only logical explanation is that the

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<v Speaker 4>computer is outsourcing the work. It's running the calculations and

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<v Speaker 4>the other parallel branches of the multiverse, and then using

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<v Speaker 4>quantum interference to bring the results back together in our

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<v Speaker 4>branch to give us the final answer.

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<v Speaker 2>So, in his view, a working quantum computer is functional

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<v Speaker 2>experimental proof of the multiverse exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>He says, you ask where the computation happened, I can

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<v Speaker 4>tell you where the answer came from. It came from

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<v Speaker 4>those other worlds that you can't see. It's a very bold,

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<v Speaker 4>but very concrete claim.

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<v Speaker 2>That creates a tangible bridge between this high concept, almost

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<v Speaker 2>metaphysical idea and the technology we are building in labs

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<v Speaker 2>right now.

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<v Speaker 4>It takes it out of the realm of philosophy and

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<v Speaker 4>puts it into the realm of engineering.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to spend our last section talking about the implications,

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<v Speaker 2>because if we accept this, if we just provisionally accept

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<v Speaker 2>that the math is real and this is how the

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<v Speaker 2>universe works, it changes our understanding of everything time identity debt, meaning.

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<v Speaker 4>It rewrites the human condition from the ground up.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's start with the arrow of time. We all have

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<v Speaker 2>this incredibly strong perception of time as flowing forward. The

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<v Speaker 2>past is fixed and singular, the future is open and

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<v Speaker 2>full of possibilities. How does MWI explain that in a.

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<v Speaker 3>Really beautiful way.

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<v Speaker 4>Actually in MWY, the branching structure of the universe is.

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<v Speaker 3>The arrow of time.

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<v Speaker 2>Explain that.

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<v Speaker 4>Think of the multiverse as a tree. At the bottom,

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<v Speaker 4>you have a single trunk. That's the big bang, that's

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<v Speaker 4>the past. It's a state of low entropy, high order,

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<v Speaker 4>a single history. As you move up the trunk, as

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<v Speaker 4>time moves forward, it splits into branches, and those branches

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<v Speaker 4>split into smaller branches, and they split again and again

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<v Speaker 4>into a vast complex canopy.

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<v Speaker 2>So the future is the canopy.

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<v Speaker 4>The future is high entropy precisely because it is highly branched.

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<v Speaker 4>There are vastly more ways for the universe to be

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<v Speaker 4>than there were in the past. And you can't go

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<v Speaker 4>back in time for the same reason you can't climb

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<v Speaker 4>down a tree and expect all all the branches to

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<v Speaker 4>magically merge back into one single twig.

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<v Speaker 2>The structure of the multiverse itself defines the direction of time.

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<v Speaker 4>It connects thermodynamics and the second law with quantum mechanics

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<v Speaker 4>in a really profound way.

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<v Speaker 2>That's beautiful, it really is. But then we get to identity,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is the part that I think really freaks

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<v Speaker 2>people out.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>The question which one is the real me?

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<v Speaker 4>And the simple and very unsettling answer is they are.

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<v Speaker 2>All you, but they're so different. In one branch, I'm

728
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<v Speaker 2>a millionaire because I bought the right stock. In another,

729
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<v Speaker 2>I'm homeless. In one, I died in a car crash

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<v Speaker 2>this morning. How can all of those be the same person?

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<v Speaker 4>Because you share a common causal past up until the

732
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<v Speaker 4>moment of the split, the stock purchase, getting in the car,

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<v Speaker 4>you're the exact same physical entity. You share every memory,

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<v Speaker 4>every scar, every childhood trauma, every thought.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm not a single person moving through time. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>more like a colony or a process that's constantly diversifying.

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<v Speaker 4>You are a branching system. That's the best way to

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<v Speaker 4>think about it. It completely dissolves the class classical idea

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<v Speaker 4>of a singular, indivisible soul or self that persists unchanged

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<v Speaker 4>through time.

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<v Speaker 2>It reminds me of that old philosophical question about the

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<v Speaker 2>transporter and Star.

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<v Speaker 3>Trek, the teleporter problem.

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<v Speaker 2>Yet, if it scans you, destroys the original, and reassembles

745
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<v Speaker 2>you somewhere else, is it still you? MWA says, it

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<v Speaker 2>copies you, doesn't destroy the original, and both are you?

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<v Speaker 4>And this leads to some very heavy ethical questions that

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<v Speaker 4>philosophers are grappling with. How so, let's say I do

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<v Speaker 4>something reckless, like I decide to drive home drunk. In

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<v Speaker 4>a single universe world, I might get lucky, I might

751
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<v Speaker 4>get home safe, and I think few got away with it.

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<v Speaker 4>I count that as a win. But in the multiverse,

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<v Speaker 4>in the multiverse, because there's a quantum randomness in the

754
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<v Speaker 4>swerve of my hands or the path of another car,

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<v Speaker 4>you have guaranteed that in some branches you killed someone,

756
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<v Speaker 4>you have created worlds of tragedy.

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<v Speaker 2>So moral responsibility becomes about branch weight. You have a

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<v Speaker 2>responsibility to act in a way that minimizes the measure

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<v Speaker 2>the total amount of the suffering worlds exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>You want to act in a way that maximizes the

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<v Speaker 4>good branches.

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<v Speaker 3>So to speak.

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<v Speaker 4>It forces you to think about consequences not as maybe,

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<v Speaker 4>but as somewhere.

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<v Speaker 2>That is a heavy, heavy burden.

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<v Speaker 4>It is, But on the other side of that coin,

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<v Speaker 4>it also offers a strange comfort also regret. We started

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<v Speaker 4>this whole conversation talking about the road not taken. What

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<v Speaker 4>if I had done X? MWI says you did do

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<v Speaker 4>X is not here, not in this branch. Right, you

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<v Speaker 4>don't have to mourn the lost potential as something that

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<v Speaker 4>vanished from existence. That potential was realized. The girl you

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<v Speaker 4>didn't ask out in another branch. You asked her out,

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<v Speaker 4>and maybe you're happily married. The book you didn't write,

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<v Speaker 4>you wrote it and it was a bestseller.

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<v Speaker 2>It's all happening. The symphony is playing every possible note.

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<v Speaker 4>We just only get to hear one melody line at

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<v Speaker 4>a time.

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<v Speaker 2>As we wrap up, I want to leave the listener

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<v Speaker 2>with a final thought that I found in the notes,

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<v Speaker 2>which really hammered this home for me. It's about the

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<v Speaker 2>location of these other worlds.

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<v Speaker 4>This is the thing people get wrong most often thanks

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<v Speaker 4>to science fiction.

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<v Speaker 2>We watch movies and we think parallel universes are somewhere else,

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<v Speaker 2>in another dimension through glowing portal, a galaxy, far far away.

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00:36:11.599 --> 00:36:13.079
<v Speaker 3>Right, spatially distant.

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00:36:13.960 --> 00:36:18.519
<v Speaker 2>But if Many Worlds is correct, they aren't far away

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<v Speaker 2>at all. They are here.

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<v Speaker 4>They are less than an atom's width away from you.

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<v Speaker 4>They are right where you are.

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<v Speaker 2>So the version of me that ordered the tea instead

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<v Speaker 2>of the coffee this morning, huh, he is sitting in

794
00:36:28.239 --> 00:36:30.119
<v Speaker 2>this exact chair right now, he.

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<v Speaker 4>Is in the same position in space, occupying the same

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<v Speaker 4>volume of space. The wave function of his body completely

797
00:36:36.400 --> 00:36:38.480
<v Speaker 4>overlaps with the wave function of your body.

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<v Speaker 2>But because we have decohered.

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<v Speaker 4>Because your atoms and his atoms are massively out of

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<v Speaker 4>phase with each other, you pass right through each other

801
00:36:45.800 --> 00:36:49.039
<v Speaker 4>like ghosts. The radio waves of his reality are washing

802
00:36:49.039 --> 00:36:51.440
<v Speaker 4>over you this very second, but you can't tune in.

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<v Speaker 2>It makes the room feel very crowded.

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00:36:53.440 --> 00:36:55.239
<v Speaker 3>All of a sudden, it is crowded.

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<v Speaker 4>We are surrounded by infinite variations of ourselves, enacting every

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00:36:59.360 --> 00:37:04.599
<v Speaker 4>possible tree, tragedy and triumph silently, invisibly, right under our noses.

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<v Speaker 2>And every time a neuron fires in your brain to

808
00:37:07.320 --> 00:37:10.599
<v Speaker 2>make a decision, every time a cosmic raise zigs instead

809
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<v Speaker 2>of zags, you are adding another ghost to the room.

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<v Speaker 4>You are building the multiverse moment by moment.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, on that particularly existential note, I think I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>go flip a coin and consciously split the universe.

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<v Speaker 3>Into make it a good one.

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<v Speaker 2>This has been mind bending. Thanks for walking through it

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<v Speaker 2>with me.

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<v Speaker 3>Always is my pleasure.

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<v Speaker 2>Catch him, that's branch
