Speaker 1: To some degree. I'm starting to really fall into the
dead Internet theory thing. I'm starting to believe it more
and more because I feel like most of the time
I see shit and I'm not overestimating or underestimating people,
but I am, however, starting to just overly recognize. I'm like, oh,
that's just a robot talking on that. There's no way
that that's like and you just click on the profile.
You're like, yeah, that's the fakest thing I've ever seen
in my life.
Speaker 2: Est I know, and I know where you're going with this,
but I think people have become so conditioned to AI
that sometimes I see normal people, regular people answering like their.
Speaker 1: AI that's yeah, that's all you.
Speaker 2: Want to get a little bit more conspiratorial. I think
that's a real issue. Like, yes, you're absolutely right, there's
millions of bots, and I know we talked about bots,
watching bots, botting bots, but you know, there's a problem
when there's people now that have been so conditioned by
the bots around them that their natural reactions are to
have AI type responses. And I'm seeing that more and more,
Like it's it's almost refreshing when I know we we
we were talking about this too. But it's almost refreshing
when somebody tries to shit talk us and call us
a bunch of shock jocks, because I'm like, oh, wow,
there's a term I haven't heard in a long time.
Speaker 1: I must be a person that Yeah, it's a person
using some data and ship.
Speaker 2: Listen to this term from two thousand and two. All right,
here we go.
Speaker 1: There's no way on Elon's Internet that that even resonates.
There's no way that's the that's got to be from
a hue.
Speaker 2: That's some real human anger there.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, that's kind of like dystopian. Yeah, in
a way where you're just like, say something accurate about me. Yeah,
it's try to hurt my feelings.
Speaker 2: Yes, spit in my mouth.
Speaker 1: It's like, would you like a pumpkin pie recipe? I
knew you were a robot. I knew it.
Speaker 2: I mean it's a robot though. But yeah, that deada
internet theory. I kind of agree with you on that.
I know a lot of people believe that too. I
don't think it's as simple as that. I think that's
an easy way to just whitewash everything, and unfortunately we
like to do that as a society. But I think
it's a lot more complex in the sense of I
think there's just a lot of people that much much
like the way that you know, a lot of the
buzzword corporate speak is now you know, people are now
doing that in the safety of their own lives. And
it's not even like it doesn't work. Joe and I
know we've talked about this probably ten fucking years ago
at this point, but even Korea has that same thing
with their social media and their practices and stuff that
if you answer like a bot, if you answer like, oh,
how's your day is fantastic? Did you know what I
had today? I had seven Eleven's new rice cakes, and like,
you know, it's And then you get points, and the
government gives you points and you can trade in those
points for things like actual vacations and stuff. But if
you're a curmudgeon, if you're bitching about a couple of
shock jocks on a podcast, they take your points away.
They start limiting you. Not only no, it starts preventing
you from going places, like if you try to leave
your city, if you don't have enough points, they won't
let you go. You can't leave your city, like so
you better behave you better be a nice person or else.
And it's like, I wonder, is that type of infrastructure
invading the rest of the world at this point.
Speaker 1: I mean, i'd believe it to some extent that, I mean,
we're gonna get We're gonna get to a place where
and maybe not our general you know, I'm not.
Speaker 2: Well, you're right. I guess the fantasy is thinking that
the government's going to reward us with anything but.
Speaker 1: Well one reward. No, no, no, no. What you're looking for
is they will strictly punished, not reward. Yeah. Yeah, there'll
be no there will be no good job, there will
be no addible way. It'll just be like, wait, what
did you say about getting beaten to death for no reason?
You don't like that? Why is it because your flips
through the buzzwords liberal? Yeah, no, that's that's not it.
It's not getting I just don't feel like that's a
good idea. Oh is it because you're flips to gay? Yeah,
you nailed it. That's where we're at. That's that's wonderful.
But I mean, I guess the good news is is
that in spite of all the horrors in the world
and the potentiality that the Internet is nothing but a
web of people talking to each other that aren't people
at all. We did get the return of Baron Gorbin,
which that I have seen a lot of people wanted
us to expand on the return of Baron Corbin d
which I don't know where we I don't even know
what's what more to say about it. It's like, yeah,
bad show does bad thing. Uh well, it's where do
you go with that?
Speaker 2: I mean, there's supposedly big Cast is on the radar,
and supposedly Enzo might be on the radar, and I'd
like to see them back. I think that yeah, they
would actually do pretty well right now, especially in a
company that's in dire need of personalities larger than life
personalities too. You can't just keep shoveling shit on fucking
Dominic and Dan Hausen and expecting magic and gold to happen, right,
you know? But at this point, it's like Baron KORbin,
at what point? Who who did he suck off to
get in the good graces of TKO? Yet again, who
does he have pictures of?
Speaker 1: I mean, it is it is absolutely okay. When you
mentioned Enzo and Cast, there's an element of what if
to their story?
Speaker 2: Sure, right, oh yeah, because it was a stupid reason
that it all fell apart. It was some phony, fake
bitch that fucking lied about her situation with Enzo, and
Enzo handled it poorly. And yes, you pointed it out before,
and other people had pointed it out that he wasn't
the nicest guy. He was kind of a problem.
Speaker 1: He was king, He wasn't well liked anyway, so they
were just looking for an excuse or a reason.
Speaker 2: But the same. Yeah, but that smoking gun was stupid.
That was fucking stupid, and everybody can admit that that
when you have somebody fake you know, oh he touched
me inappropriately. Never mind the fact that I sent everybody,
you know, nudes and pictures of myself saying wow, what
a score, you know, like it's just ah, it just
it always bothered me that he got framed for that,
and literally framed, and the company never pulled back. I
mean they reported that shit to look like, well was
it USA today? I was like, they never, they never.
Speaker 1: Pull it was it was the time too, for sure.
They weren't gonna fucking play around, And like I said,
if somebody they didn't like, so they you weren't getting
the benefit of the doubt when they don't want you
there to begin with. Yeah, you know, if if that
had been you know, our Lord and Savior Seth Rollins
or Roman Reigns or any of these wonderful guys that
they just will bow down to endlessly, there would have
been a complete investigation.
Speaker 2: Seth Rollins fucked a Nazi and had his dick all
over Twitter, and they still gave him a push to
the moon, right, Seth. Seth Rollins can't do anything wrong
at this point. That that guy is with the company
forever and ever and ever, and this is just just
what we're gonna have to deal with. He is the
Hulk Hogan, the brother brother of twenty twenty six. And
you would think I would side with more of a
Roman vibe, but the Samoans have always been a thing
in wrestling, so I can't even really put that on Roman.
If Roman happened to be a white dude from Alabama,
nobody would give a ship give a shit.
Speaker 1: If his name was Yeah, if he was a Ricky
uh Batuburg, no one would care like that.
Speaker 2: I would fag Dear Lord, that's across in the streams there, sir.
Speaker 1: He's like, well, I really appreciate if you acknowledged me.
Speaker 2: Uh and wrestling, you're never getting rid of him, Joe, like,
put you ones.
Speaker 1: In the air, do it? I mean, and I could
go right with that rant. No, dude, it's it's it
is fucking still hilarious to me, though. Where the Baron Corbyn?
Speaker 2: Where are you.
Speaker 1: Guys gonna go with that? They they look at him
and they're treating him like they do their favorites, And
then I'm still almost kind of surprised they even let
him go to begin with, because clearly he's got some
sort of in and they think to themselves, well, you know,
we'll put him back on TV and see how he
does and if he if he doesn't catch fire, he won't,
he won't.
Speaker 2: How much I mean, well, you heard about Sammy talking
about that they wanted to give him a sixty percent
pay cut. Yeah, and I would assume that he took
it right, like he took this sixty percent pay cut.
How much do you think Baron Krbin is working for?
Even Like I wouldn't be surprised if he's working for
like twenty or forty one thousand a year.
Speaker 1: No, I maybe not that, but probably think.
Speaker 2: He would be Why wouldn't Maybe you would take somebody
that has some name value but is completely worthless. I mean,
who's got who over a barrel? Here? Baron Corbin needs
relevancy and he wasn't getting it on Busted Open Radio.
People were not tuning in to listen to Bubba, Tommy
and Mark talk with Baron KORbin, Like it's just not happening,
Like there's nothing about this guy. He wasn't welcome or
wanted in aw this guy has no home, Like the
homeless Baron Corburn gimmick is no longer a fucking gimmick.
If this guy showed up with a stained yellow T
shirt and a meth addiction, I would not fucking doubt it.
I'd be like, oh my god, he's shooting brother, Like
it's just this guy can only be signed to McDonald's pay.
Speaker 1: Is that the only well he's He's also like, it's
funny when we were talking about Jungle Boy the other
day where it's like, who's chasing down Jungle Boy? Only
Tony Kahan? All right, who's chasing down Baron Corbin?
Speaker 2: Do you think he just gave him his Lamborghini or whatever.
It was his lambeau.
Speaker 1: Yeah, showed him his extensive watch collection and all that shit, which,
by the way, like I still laugh because people will
say like, oh, he's doing that just to be a
be a heel and try to get heat or whatever,
and I'm like, well, I don't know if anybody put
this together, but whether people have said it out loud
or just kind of kept it to themselves, that doesn't
rub people the right way.
Speaker 2: Well, it's not even that. I always thought it was
silly when people said that because at the time he
wasn't working at gimmick, that his money mattered at all.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, yeah he was. He was a biker guy
at that time.
Speaker 2: Yeah. This was this was before the homeless gimmick and shit,
when he was out there telling everybody had showing off
his lambeau and his little heavy metal shit. He had
nothing to do with money. There was no money on
the table. That was not a part of his gimmick.
That wouldn't have sold anything. Like, it's one thing if
you know he was doing that when he was homeless
Baron Corba and somebody gave him a shit and he's like,
look at my lambeau, you know, and be like, all right,
well you're just being a cunt because you're blowing up
your own fucking thing. But this wasn't then, so it
was always stupid when people say, oh, he's just working
a gimmick. No he's not. He's using the fact that
he's a wrestler to cover it up. But he's just
being a bitch.
Speaker 1: And there's and the course, there's always some thing too,
and it's completely created by the Internet and you know,
influencers and that whole culture and shit, where now you're
starting to see the actual death of that. The person
that's just look at me on my vacation because I
have money, because I have it, like that that's going
away because at this point people just don't They don't
go yeah, yeah, right, they don't go, oh, wouldn't that
be nice. They actually look at it and they're just like, hey,
you know what, fuck off, yeah, fuck all the way
off with this weird bragging bullshit, you know, like buy
this two hundred and fifty dollars lip gloss. It's like, well, dude,
shit's bad. Why why am I am? I supposed to
be watching this for pleasure? It's making me feel like
complete fucking trash. But that's it is, like, what was
his whole deal at that time other than look, I'm
doing this piss I'm pissing off the internet. Which this
is the thing I think that those guys and to
some extent the girls, but more so the guys don't
get is it's the people you don't see. It's the
reactions you don't get. The people that you do get
that are like fuck you, you you're a bomb, or
you sucked baron, or you know you're no good. Yeah, sure,
that's great, But what about the people that just see
that and go, yeah, no, that guy sucks and I'm
just never gonna fucking give him money, your attention ever again,
just because it's gross.
Speaker 2: Well, that's where the trade off has to come in
as far as the company goes. I think he's working
for such a pittance that maybe maybe there's there's some
kind of silver lining to hiring Baron KORbin. Maybe making
Baron KORbin some kind of a whipping boy for guys
like Dan Hausen or a whipping boy for Joe Hendry
is good enough for them to hire them or hire
him for like twenty grand a year. Yeah, Like I just.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're probably still they're probably given some of
these people whatever one hundred grand, eighty grand, which still
is like it's not bad money, you're obviously surviving, but
coming off of ten years at getting paid, I.
Speaker 2: Hope they don't. I hope they're not paying them that
much because then they're just wasting money. At that point,
it would be it's counterproductive to me to even pay
Baron Kortman a hundred thousand a year when you know
he's not going to even bring in one hundred thousand
a year. No good, no right, And that's what I'm saying.
But you could sit there and maybe give Sammy Zain
five more points on his fucking paycheck for doing a
good job, you know.
Speaker 1: His social credit scores that what you say.
Speaker 2: I'm just it's just it's such a silly way that
they're conducting business. And I understand that they're trying to
to cattle in everybody and make Roman happy and Seth
happy and Brock happy and shit, but like, at what
point are you really hurting your future by making sure
that everybody else is in the is in the red.
Speaker 1: Ye they're selling they're selling this thing off for parts. Dude,
let's be real like that that is what is going on.
When I see things like WWE is selling their fucking
old plane or whatever. It's like, would you be surprised
if they're not getting a new one? If they're just like, yeah,
we're just any anything that we perceive as an asset
that we will not pay to use and we don't
want anymore. Yeah, fucking peace out. You can just go
because WWE or t k O or whatever this version
is nobody's looking at this anymore that has like a
real sense that thinks that this is, you know, this
is for life, this is the long run. So now
they're gonna they're stripping this thing for parts and they're
gonna sell it to probably the Saudi's or whomever the
fuck else. They'll move it on to the next fucking group.
Speaker 2: But you know, one of the funny things too, is
I saw this kind of response going everywhere that I
guess a lot of people took, you know, some of
our comments when we were talking about WWE that we
feel like WW is failing, and I don't I think
the remarks, or at least the responses were they were
implying that we thought that WWE was failing financially, and
it's I thought we were very clear that we understand
that WWE is making more money now than ever before,
and they've discovered new ways to make the machine work.
And if it wasn't for Nick Kahn and the greed
of TKO, WWE would have never seen the amount of
fucking profits they have from such a poor, poorly rated product.
So I found it so weird that there was a
lot of pushback on us for that, and I'm thinking,
I'm like, I don't think at any point did Joe
or I even imply that WWE was running out financially
not enjoying the storylines. Yeah, sure, that's subjective. You know
what if you're a big seth Rollins or a Roman
Reigns fan, I mean, this is your Christmas enjoy. But
for the rest of.
Speaker 1: Us, it's the Christmas that never end.
Speaker 2: It's a groundhog day of Christmas. But I mean, for
the rest of us, it's just tired. It's not even
tired and true, it's just tired. And it's SAME's the
old z you know, and it's it feels uninspired. And
the joke is is that it's ai. But there's reasons
that people keep saying this is there's just no passion
behind any of these feuds. Everything feels like it's just
thrown on paper and just given to the wolves. And
I mean even characters and talents that I really enjoy
feel hollow, feel empty. And don't get me wrong, I
understand it's summer, and summer's when WWE likes to try
new things. But Jesus Christ, they gave Sammy's a and
a fucking Kleenex title run like, I mean, he blew
his nose and it was over. They're not even willing
to try and take the gamble on what they're gambling for, right,
So WWE went out of their way, Joe, and they
gave fucking Sammy a title, and they wouldn't even play
with him, holding on to it for a minute, wouldn't
even let him go to the next fucking poe And
it's just we why not? Why not play with it?
See what the fans do? Yeah, the fans and the
immediately were in a different reaction, but I don't.
Speaker 1: Know so well. This is also why it makes me laugh,
because it's like, oh, Sammy's ain't got the ballots and
then he lost it immediately and then within that same
exact news cycle. I guess you could say it's people saying, well,
I guess bron Breaker is really upset with the way
that he's being treated, and bron Breaker is not, and
it's like, bron Breaker probably needs to shut the fuck
up because they gave him a bunch of chances and
he kept getting hurt. Yeah, and he's not that good.
And everybody that he got in the ring with, I'm
sure was very tentatively honest with the brass that this
guy wasn't ready, and you know, well, well, I guess
I'm just not gonna get pushed immediately.
Speaker 2: He got more than Crossted.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, shit right, you know, like, yeah, he's got
he got. He got perceived in a way and was
presented in a way that ninety eight percent of the
roster didn't get immediately.
Speaker 2: Well, look, I mean, let's be honest. The pedigree and
the look alone is enough to make you pay attention
to a guy like bron Breaker. He does, he has it.
He has the look. I really think so. I think
when you look at bron Breaker, you see a fucking wrestler.
It's just everything else from there is pretty shallow. He
doesn't have his uncle or his dad's fucking charisma. For
what it's worth, he doesn't have that allure for people.
Even his innring ability is still somewhat limited. At times,
he makes mistakes when he probably shouldn't. He's I don't
I don't think he's dangerous. You would be a better
person to saying more.
Speaker 1: Of a danger to himself.
Speaker 2: Right, anything? Right?
Speaker 1: You know that's honest to God. Like when you watch
anything and he's a former football player, you know, when
you watch anything about the pro athletes and whatever, it
might be, a fighter, whoever, they'll stop fights, they'll pull
guys off the field, they'll pull them off courts. Why
because their instinct is I can do it. I'm good,
I'm fine, I'll be good. And then they end up
fucking themselves because they want to compete, they want to
be out there. They will I can do it, I
can show you. And in the case of some guy
like bron Breaker, it's like, yeah, you're not, You're not ready.
You're just simply not. And I remember even before the
kid debuted, and I hate to be uh, you know,
I told you you, but I remember seeing him and
I'm like, this dude is not ready for this, he's
still green, he still lives around, fucking weird.
Speaker 2: Well, you were. You were definitely kind of hard on
bron Breaker and not no, not in an unfair way,
but yeah, you were a hard on brown Breaker from
almost the beginning. You didn't even think he was ready
for the title in an NXT when he was getting it,
and no, And I mean I remember myself, I remember
Kevin others that were really fucking, you know, really high
on the kid. And I think a lot of that was,
you know, the nostalgia of Daddy, the nostalgia of the
uncle obviously, the Steiners and stuff, and wanting to see
that kind of old school sentimentality return to w W, because, honestly, Joe,
that's one thing that we don't have right now in
WWE is somebody that represents a little bit of that eighties,
early nineties stuff. We don't. We got so many squid
kids out there fucking pretending to be athletes that it's
just I don't know, I'm I'm kind of missing the
days of big, fucking, bulky, brawny men that are jacked
up and literally got shit shooting out of the.
Speaker 1: Difference look different than the guys that just hang around
at the fucking Planet Fitness motherfuckers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm tired of the noodle arm motherfuckers. It's just
and I know I was just praising Sammy, but you know,
if I had to pick of all the noodle arm motherfuckers,
and Sammy's probably at the top.
Speaker 1: He has earned his space in that fucking fobe with
that fabo, you know what I mean. He has earned
the noodle time, like for sure. But that's it. Man
is like a guy like him. Yes, everybody wanted to
see him succeed. But that's where the part of it
comes in where it's like it's the coach mentality, it's
the teacher mentality or whatever you want to call it, right,
and people think it's like a foo food you know,
fluffy kind of pussy word where you're like, what is
equitable to this person? And it's like, okay, well, what
is the expectation of them? What is the ceiling of them?
If I'm picking somebody to be a low card comedy
character on my show that sells T shirts, then yeah,
Dan Housen doesn't gotta go fucking rip. You know, four
hundred pound deadlifts in the gym. I don't need Dan
Housen to be jacked.
Speaker 2: I need looks like fucking Peter Steel nineteen ninety four,
Right yeah.
Speaker 1: Coming out swaying that thing. I'm so sad. It's like,
all right, we got it putting away, we got significant
other seeing that cool.
Speaker 2: If he came out like Peter still, dude, I'd be
his biggest fan. I'd be like fucking Dan House a
dude down since day one.
Speaker 1: I know, he just turns, takes a turn for like
the sad yea and somehow he gets limb lengthening surgery
and just comes.
Speaker 3: Out, comes out in the trench coade black black, black
number one, and then.
Speaker 1: And then of course they just go there's just people
and yeah, and then he strinkles in the ah.
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, real deepos.
Speaker 4: To just.
Speaker 1: It's in him.
Speaker 2: We just know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But that's that's it, right, Like it's that's the
equitable thing is where you look at the people and
you go, I am expecting different things from you because
this is unfair to you, because that's never going to happen. Right,
Like Tozawa, I can't look at Chozawa and go, come on, Jozawa,
what the fuck I expect you to become the big yeah.
Speaker 2: World champions Like if you're that level of fan, man,
good on you. You know what, there has to be
a Tazawa fan that thinks one day he's gonna win
the world championship. There has to be won, right, just.
Speaker 1: Just I think it's I think it's his grandma. However,
you say grandma in Japanese? No, no, no, no, no, yeah,
it's Wait, is that in Japanese? That's Italian?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: No, I think that's Italians and Japanese people don't have nonas.
Speaker 2: It's that Mexican language.
Speaker 1: Well that's but that's it is, Like, that's what's fair. Right,
I'm going to grade people on a very different curve
depending on what the trajectory is allegedly of them and
their potentiality and where they should go. Like, what do
you expect out of a seventh round draft pick? Hell
of a lot different than the first guy in the draft,
you know, like you got it. Fair is fair? You know,
mister irrelevant and the number one draft pick. Different set
of expectations and hopes and goals for the next couple
of seasons.
Speaker 2: Here's the thing too, that kind of popped up and
I don't know if you had a chance to see it.
But Gangrell was talking about it. He was talking about
the changes in wrestling, and I mean, I know, we
were just talking about I guess the sentimentality of the
older generation of wrestlers that we really don't have anymore.
But he was on CVV like everybody else's and he said,
there's no meaningful moves anymore. Meaningful moves made memories. Memories
made money, So there's no meaningful moves anymore. I believe that,
and I lived by that. Meaningful moves make memories, and
memories make money. They're doing wrestling. They're just coming out
and doing a lot of wrestling moves, high flying, a
lot of cool stuff. But they're not working into those moves. Now,
give me a story and why you're building up to this,
Why this move is so deadly and so important because
anybody's kicking, everybody's kicking out of everybody's finishes. Now, you
wouldn't have gotten You wouldn't have got that forty years ago,
or twenty years ago, or maybe even fifteen years ago.
The finishes were a lot more protected. Even in the
Attitude era. It was the Wild West, and they were
gun slingers and they kicked out on everything, but it's
still kind of protected finishes and stuff like that, So
I think it's just more acrobatic smaller guys. I have
nothing against that because now I'm a big guy. I
was never a big guy when I started in eighty seven.
They told me you'll be lucky to be a junior
heavyweight at that because everybody was like three h five
six seven, And here I am coming in at two thirty,
thinking I'm going to make a difference at six two.
But now I feel like a giant. But I feel
like with wrestling everything has cycles too, so I feel
like they're cycling around to bigger guys and some body
stuff and healthy ways. I mean, that would be wonderful
if we're at the lowest point of wrestling right now,
because it is all noodlelarm guys and wrestling fans are
tuning out and the only way that they're going to
tune back in is if they start seeing some beefcakes,
some fun, some dudes.
Speaker 1: That actually look like yeah that they're supposed to be performers.
They're supposed to be larger than have.
Speaker 2: That mentality, right, Like, I think that's why guys like
Brock still gets so much attention. That's why guys like
bron Breaker gets so much attention. I think there's a
reason for that, right, Like, don't get me wrong, for
the newer kids, you know, I guess Austin theory and
Logan Paul are are really changing the world right now.
But on the other side of things, it seems like
when it comes to believability, who are you going to
believe the guy that looks like, you know, he has
problems opening up his lunch, or the guy that looks
like he's fucking tearing doors off of the hingines. You know,
it's just.
Speaker 1: And the the funny thing is this is it always
goes back to your prime examples of people that don't
look like that, Oh is it a Mick Foley, or
it's this one or that one.
Speaker 2: Like you could scrap though we saw that mother.
Speaker 1: He was still a big gun. Well even if even.
Speaker 2: If you didn't believe he was gonna beat everybody's ass,
watching him fall on his head for five years on
concrete fucking kind of brought up the believability factor that hey,
you know what, maybe you can't throw a punch, but
he can sure take one, you know.
Speaker 1: Right right he's gonna get back up and keep going.
He's gonna tire you out with his Yeah, but that's
that's one of the most exhausting things to watch with people.
Well this is the example of this person or that person,
and you go, yes, but they were so exceptional in
so many other ways, right, But it didn't need to
be that, Like, dude, remove remove the aesthetic from Roman Reigns,
remove the look, remove the fact that he looks like
fucking Aquaman. And I know that's a trope, but whatever,
that's who. He fucking looks like, long hair, the pretty
boy face, the scary, giant fucking toilet. But smile now,
Like you take that all away, and you got yourself
a pretty dull, average looking guy. If he looked like
all those people that you mentioned about, well, this guy
didn't look great, but he got over. If he had
his personality with that look, none of this happens, none
of that goes down.
Speaker 2: If so, it's like if Roman Reigns didn't look like
Roman Reigns but looked like Baron Corbin, what's the difference.
Speaker 1: No, you're not you're not wrong, You're not wrong. And
maybe that's it. Maybe there's just some part of people
backstage where it's like, if Roman Reigns gets to be
christ On la Cross, then why are we giving Baron
KORbin ship? Why are we so angry at him? Well,
he what because he's bald and looks fucking weird and ship,
Well maybe we should treat him this way.
Speaker 2: It's like, no, no giving somebody else more time. When
they wasted it, They wasted it for years, they wasted resources.
They fucking put people out to pasture in the middle
of their fucking career. Jesus Christ, they brought JVL back
from the dead and put him back in a coffin
by the time JBL was or by the time fucking
Corbin was gone.
Speaker 1: Like, it's just he retired Kurt Angle. I mean, this
is right, and it did, and it did nhhing nothing
for him, nothing for him because there's nothing there.
Speaker 2: I mean, I just wish fucking Kurt Angle would come
back and wrestle Gunther.
Speaker 1: Well, that's that's That's another thing. Like when people are
talking about the dark side of the Ring Ship and
the Revision, you know there there's a lot of Revision's history, obviously,
but they're just trying to tell one guy's story. So
there they are. But if you took all those years
of perk angle out of it, and I know he
hates the term, but whatever, dude, you know, if you
take all those years out of it, maybe his body
isn't as fucking destroyed as it is now. I'm not
saying it's good. I'm not saying that like, oh, he
would have been right, it's rain. But you look at
it and you go, well, if you took out a
lot of those wasteful, stupid, fucking matches that he had
in TNA, that didn't mean anything. And I'm not talking
about the ones that did. I'm not talking about the
ones where he tried to do the right thing and
help guys get over you know, your ajs and Samoa
Joe's and you know even a guy like Abyss. You know,
like he tried to do that for these people.
Speaker 2: There's a point though, when they were talking about Kurt
Angle too, that they made it sound like he was
selfless to a fault, and like, understand what you're saying that, Hey,
you know you have to have these matches with these
younger guys to help him out. But I mean, what
was it, Jeff Jarrett, like literally saying the guy was
crawling to the fucking back after the match as a
belt would ring, he just pop right back up. I'm like, no, man,
that's when you step in there and go, dude, just
it's fine. Well, well you could take a fucking month
off or something, because at that point he was still
running underneath Vince McMahon's gauge. Vince McMahon probably loved that
about Kurt Angle. I don't think I've ever heard Vince
talk about Kurt Angle, but I would assume that a
guy that just fucking Pavlonian responses to wrestling ring bells,
you know, like that, that probably excited Vince McMahon, even
though it was killing Kurt Angle. I mean, by the
time he was in WWEE c W, he looked like
he was in trouble. Like just to the common public,
Kurt Angle looked like he was in trouble. He was
bigger than ever, he looked fucking psychotic, and he never
looked like he was even home. It was just it
was danger. You go back the two thousand and six,
you go back to that time too, and this wasn't
that far removed from all the horrible shit that was
going on you know, elsewhere in the company. It's just
I don't know, man, I think TNA they didn't do
right by Kurt Angle. They didn't control them. And I
remember the whole letter thing when Kurt Angle went over
there about you know, about being fired and stuff, and
I don't know, man, I there was a lot of
revisionist history and not in the ways that I was expecting.
I did get a chance to watch part three, though,
did you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I watched it. I mean it's it's exactly
what I thought it would be. As far as it's
damn saying it was the they shouldn't have bothered even
mentioning it and saying this is about TNA. They should
have gone with it's about Jeff Jarrett. And I know
in their mind they were probably thinking, Hey, should we
really put out into the ether. We've made a three
hour long documentary on Jeff Jarrett. I'm guessing that somebody
advice said, nah, we got to make this a little
bit more broad, you know, like we can't just say
it's about this one guy who was you know, just
just being honest, not exactly. He's not stone cold Steve Auston.
You know this isn't the rock, so we're not going
to give him a three part fucking series on it.
So let's just say it's about TNA. But realistically, that's
all it was. It was the It was the story
of Jeff Jarrett and how his fucking shortcomings and his
issues and everything that happened with TNA. And obviously Dixie
is the main villain in this whole thing where me
and you have now said this multiple times, but I.
Speaker 2: Really think bullshit. Honestly, it's weird. It's weird that I'll
say that. I'm not trying to be a fucking I'm
not trying to be contrarian, But I don't think Dixie
was the main problem. I mean, in a lot of ways. Obviously,
like you know, Jim Cornett and other people kind of
alluded to that she was easily sway by the boys.
Supposely she was having a lot of sex with a
lot of the wrestlers, which I wouldn't doubt that either
the fact that she was a civilian in a world
full of carnies didn't help her. But I think I
think honestly letting Hulk Hogan and Eric Bischoff run TNA
was truly the death of TNA because even before that,
even before that, Dixie Carter was a part of TNA.
She was working with Jeff Jarrett, she was working with
Dutch and Jim and Russo and everybody else, and all
of those different personalities had the same goal. They were
still using the six sided ring. They were still pushing
people like that. The events were fun and exciting for
better or worse. Whether you like the angles individually or not,
you enjoyed two thousand and two more than you enjoyed
two thousand and six, whatever the fuck may have you.
The reality was is when Hulk Hogan and Bischoff stepped
in there and Hulk Hogan's like, fuck the six sided ring.
We're going back to real wrestling, the fore side of
the ring, and the fans are like, fuck that six
side six. I had six sides, and Hogan laughed at
all of them like we were all the assholes. That
was the death of it right there. And I mean, yeah,
of course there was good angles and good storylines and
good matches that have happened since then, but they did
they lost an identity, They lost something that made them unique.
And I understand that we've heard this thousand times before too,
that the six headed ring was a real pain the
ass to wrestle in. There were a lot of issues
and stuff. I don't fucking know, but but those World
X matches looked really good, huh. Those those cage matches
looked really good. Like that was always the thing was.
I think even Eric Bischoff said it, and the thing
was nobody ever had a good match and a six
sided ring. It's like, did you even watch any TNA
up until then?
Speaker 1: Like any he did it, he did it. He had
no interest in it. And I think that was a
huge part of it too, where they got into the
And you're right as far as passing Dixie is the villain,
I feel like it's the easy thing to do because
you're still watching something made by wrestling fans, and no
matter how badly they're gonna make wrestlers look like shit
throughout the course of the show, they're still not going
to put the blame on the specific wrestlers because someday
they might want him to sit down and do an
interview with the Well yeah, true, yeah, And they're also
afraid And by the way, some of these people are
also afraid to shop on ho Cogan and you know,
you and I have seen this on a much smaller
level obviously, but like we've shopped on Ho Cogan before,
and you get the fucking idiot chuds that are just like, well,
maybe that's just because you don't like co cokeer. It's like, no,
he was a fucking notoriously shitty person, right, just just
because at the end of his life he fucking became
your your best friend's best friend that you're like, oh, no,
he's a good No, he's actually the coolest, nicest, smartest
guy in the world. He's like, No, he was a rotten,
fucking cunt. People hated him for decades forreezon. Right, there's
to me, there's this exhausting fucking thing. I don't know
what the right word wouldould be. It's just if people
say things enough and they're not true. Yes, that happens,
that happens in history. This is a bad person, and
they look more into it and you go, okay, well
were they the worst? No, not really, But there's something
to a living human being in modern history where everybody's saying,
well not everybody, but most of everybody's saying every interaction
I had with this person was transactional, their habitual liar,
and they sure come off like a real complete piece
of dog shit on every level. And we have a
lot of proof of them being a piece of dog shit.
I get. I get that. Like the vice signaling part
of people is to go, well, what if they're all wrong?
Did you ever think of that? Hell, maybe he's actually
a good guy, but there's this mountain of it.
Speaker 2: Would be more people defending him. That's the way I
look at it too, you know, like, yeah, you're right,
maybe there's a hit piece on a guy like Hulk
Hogan and maybe a lot of the uh, maybe a
lot of the hate comes from jealousy. We've seen jealousy
ruined relationships and paint a bad light. But if that
was the case, if that was truly the case, wouldn't
there be more people defending him, wouldn't there be more
people calling it out?
Speaker 1: So you got you gotta think some of these people,
some of the older wrestlers that shit on him, that
continued to live and have a life like it's it's
it's so dark to say it that way. But not
people that were you know, drug addicts or alcoholics or
had serious health issues that died in their forties because
we can't ask them anymore. You know, we could asked
him much longer, they didn't have the ability to stop
and really get later on in the years and later
on in life and look back and go, hey, yeah,
you know, it's still turned out okay. And I always
reference him because he's a guy that's far from perfect
and he's done and said a lot of ignorant shit,
but at the end of the day, he's an entertainer.
But like the Honky Tonk Man, people are like, oh,
he would shot on Hull Cooke, And I'm like, do
you think this guy doesn't realize he has a good
life when ninety eight percent of his co workers around
him are dead and he's living on a golf course
in Arizona. He knows, he knows this turned out pretty
fucking good. He's not an idiot, you know. Like that,
That to me is like, well, what are these people
saying I want to hear from like the actual adults
who made it out On the other end, as opposed
to like when people go, well maybe it was, like
you said, just just jealousy. It's like, yeah, well, you
know what if you're a forty year old alcoholic dying
in a fucking holiday innex Rest and Poughkeepsie. Maybe you
are angry at Helkogan because you think that that should
have bran you down there in Tampa with the big
fake did he blonde wife? Maybe that's what you think
it is. But I want to hear from the people
that experienced him as a person that made it out
on the other end and had a decent life now,
like a guy like Bischoff, who I mean, Like, I look.
Speaker 2: At Bischoff, he's very clever. I thought it was a
good idea to bring him in. I think that they
limited I mean, I don't know how long his interview was,
but I felt like he was very limited in a
lot of assets or facets. I thought there was a
lot more that he could have talked about with CNA,
you know. And it's just he came off as very
I don't know, is that the right word, whimsical, Like
he just lacks a days ago.
Speaker 1: Yeah, those were the days. Yeah, we had a great time.
Speaker 2: Right, It's like a Bischoff, it was falling apart because
of you. It was it was.
Speaker 1: Somebody gave you a million dollars and you just all
you did was show up and break everything and laught.
You'd be like, oh, that was a pretty good time,
I think.
Speaker 2: And that's when you heard all the stories, Like that's
when they brought out Kong and Kong's like please can
you can you just give me a living wage? And
they're like, k needs a new boat.
Speaker 1: Sorry about that. More, we got to spend money on We.
Speaker 2: Gotta pay for Bubba the Love Sponge to do a
to do an angle.
Speaker 1: Well, he goes on his radio show and shuts on
you and says a bunch of racist shit about you
after the fact. Yeah, it's it is fucking crazy to
watch this show and to watch the this is what
happened in T and A and people go, well, well,
well they were way off. They didn't get this right.
They didn't get that. It's because it was supposed to
be about just Jeff Jarrett. I really think that that's
the that's the most.
Speaker 2: But we will highlight a lot of Jeff Jarrett's, Like,
they really didn't highlight much of his WWF stuff, and
I I mean, and did they even really highlight a
lot of the g What was it the I was
gonna say gc W What was his fucking global Farce Global.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yah, well yeah they talked about it.
Speaker 2: They didn't. They didn't really talk about his his stuff
that he did with Triple A or n J p W.
Like I just thought there were If this really is
about Jeff Jarrett, you know, he did more stuff, right,
like they they barely covered the fact that he was
there for Rick Flair's fucking retirement. Oh, I mean, isn't
that a big fucking deal. I would think it's a
pretty big deal retiring, you know, one of the most
well known wrestlers in history. Vibe.
Speaker 1: They're they're in a position with wrestling and the amount
of lore and everything that surrounds the fandom and the stories,
and like, you're never gonna get it right. You never,
You're never gonna hit all your bases. And I give
them a level of patience and grace with that. But
I still think, like I said, this wasn't about TNA.
TNA was a TNA was a background character in this
three hour story about Jeff Jarrett.
Speaker 2: But you know it's weird about that too. With all
the amount of resources that they had for Dark Side
of the Ring. Rob Feinstein asked better questions. I'm sorry, Yeah,
you go back to those RF shoot days. As silly
and as bad as some of them were, they were
fucking thorough. And it's just amazing to me that you
have access to all these different people that want to
talk about one single part of time Sean Sean Oliver
did a better job, Like now, why are these guys
just incapable of giving an honest recall or an honest
recanting of what actually happened.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of it has to do with
like when you mentioned a guy even like like fine
scene which should or Sean Oliver where it's like they
were able to fish from a pool of a lot
of people that were throwing all of these questions and
ideas and thoughts like what do you feel about this?
What do you feel about that? Blah blah blah blah.
Like their ability to fish from that pond and then
just make an interview about it is going to be
different than them than trying to make like a succinct television.
Speaker 2: So you literally do the exact same thing. Hey, we
got such and such because they released the names right
like like six months before they even go on air
or whatever. I remember, even me and keV like, oh shit,
we got six months until this fucking drops, you're telling me,
in that time, they couldn't just say, hey, any questions
that you think we should ask or we should talk
about Jesus Christ. People would fucking murder to have their
questions answered live on air to Eric Bischoff or fucking
Jeff Jarred.
Speaker 1: You know, well it's the problem is I also think
this as there's obviously when you start getting into something
like a bigger thing like television, obviously he goes get
into play. Which is the irony of this, you know,
wrestling and egos and everything destroys it. Mean, while you're
making a show about wrestling, and like you said, why
wouldn't you just open open up the floor to have
people present you with different.
Speaker 2: Anger control control to a point? I don't mean like
some gogas you know, guy asked like were are you
such a pussy? Jeff? Like, oh, Mike, Mike Hammond in
Indiana wats No, hey, Jeff, why are you such a pussy?
Like that? Like no, not like that bad? But I
mean you can use the questions that people ask on
social media, or you can create Reddit threads whatever the fuck,
and you could take from those. You can take those
ideas you can even give, you know, some kind of
credence to the to the people that ask those questions
at the end of the show with the credits, like
whatever it may be. But I just think that it's
very myopic, it's very one sided, it's very narrow minded.
For just this presentation of Jeff Jarrett and TNA, it's
just they didn't do a good job of highlighting all
of Jeff Jarrett's life, they didn't do a good job
of highlighting TNA's life. I just three episodes isn't enough.
And I mean for supposedly a channel that's starved for content,
it's like, well, why don't you give them twelve episodes
and do it right?
Speaker 1: Well, the toughest thing I think it is for Dark
side of the Ring in general, and the idea, like
the television format of making a forty five minute long
documentary with interviews. We've now gotten to the point where
there's enough money in it for people, or at least
the hope of money in it that just random individuals
and fans will put together shit like this on the
Internet and put it on YouTube.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're.
Speaker 1: Trying to make a television show when you're like, look,
we're using background shots and it's a it's a silhouette
of Jeff Jared hitting someone with a guitar and all
this other shit. And I'm not saying like, hey, turn
it straight to me.
Speaker 2: Hey, you know, I can tell you firsthand that's all.
That's all fucking online. All of those shots that they have,
those are not special. Somebody's not filming that. That shit
has already done. Those are stock Those are stock videos,
stock images. There is nothing inherently extra special other than
the fact that they sit down with sad music and
interview all these people, and it's just that's it.
Speaker 1: Well, that's it too, though. It's like to some extent,
whatever time and money and effort they put into this,
they're in their minds going, well, we got to pay
this one, we gotta have this, we gotta have this
level of fancy shit and meme while there's just a
dude and a basement and wherever fucking you know, Ohio.
And he's like, well, I'm going to make a secondary
source of income and it's just going to be me
making wrestling documentaries and my voice is decent enough and
if I can make a couple hundred bucks a month
off this fucking hell yeah, and that will sometimes be
as good, if not better then some of these people.
Will you at all much money into it.
Speaker 2: You know, you adopt the eBay, the Walmart way of
doing things. You buy out the competition. That's what you do. Hey,
these guys are these guys are competing with us. You
know what we do. We buy them out, make them
a part of the team, have them do the intro
like they could do like the Big East slot for
Stephanie's podcast, and then you know what, they're done. They're
done for the day. Here's your two hundred dollars. Don't
make any videos, stay home.
Speaker 1: You know well that that I think was attempted to
be done in some respects Tony Kahan, I think he
tried that a good amount of times. Right, You're like,
who are the podcasters that will suck my balls no
matter what? Okay, well, let me throw them some press passes.
Speaker 2: I still believe that. I still really believe that. I
remember we had this conversation years ago, back when aw
first started and Tony Kahan was doing those rounds. I
remember feeling like that, and I don't know if I'm
the one that brought it up. You were John, but
I'm like, he's trying to control the narrative of podcasts.
And I remember I was getting pushed back from me
maybe even the chat room and stuff like that, like
that's not happening. Why there's no money in it? And
I'm like, there's no money in it, but there is attention,
there is power, There is this influx of goodwill, this
manufactured goodwill, And yeah, he did that for a while
and eventually hooked Dave on board, and here were at.
Speaker 1: This point, it's like anybody that's even feigning arguing that
this is a relationship between him and Tony Khan, and
like if it's if it's not, if it's not a relationship,
whether it be a business or a friendship or whatever
you want to call it, then Dave Meltzer has just
been carrying water viciously for this guy for half a
decade or more.
Speaker 2: Our running gag was I wish my girlfriend loved me
as much as fucking Dave loves Tony Khan.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, find you find you a person that loves
you as much as Dave Meltzer loves aw. That's that's
really and and by the way, that still remains true,
Like this hasn't changed. The only reason that we don't
cover it as much is because there's only so many
times where you can say the water is wet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't stop. Dave, Dave doesn't stop. Dave is
a rider, die bitch for Tony Kahan.
Speaker 1: Oh, I mean this this thing will be, you know,
up on cinderblocks and he'll be fucking trying to blow
air into it.
Speaker 2: There's no If there were photos at leak one day
of Dave and Tony just fucking buck naked rolling around
in some grass somewhere, I would not be surprised at all.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even I'd just be like, all right, that's
talks about that makes sense, you know, like just the
same way, like way after the fact, years and years
and years after the fact. Now, there was a GM
that I worked with in a kitchen and he was
quietly dating a married woman who was a manager in
another part of the restaurant, and we all fucking right,
like everybody was, you know, hey, we know that this
is Oh no, no, no, no, no, you guys, come on,
this is crazy. What what are you guys talking about? No, no, no, no,
like come on, come on, like we're all aware of it,
you know, lo and behold, years after the fact, I
go through like my Instagram recommended friends, and there they
are now in his profile picture. It's him with her,
and they're like, hey, look at this, and it's like,
oh yeah, the divorce, fucking the divorce came through, and
you know they were they were hooking up that whole time.
So it's like it's not like I saw it and
I fell out of my seat, right, you.
Speaker 2: Believe that in a negative way, Like if they of them.
Speaker 1: Too, if they're happy together, I'm kind of I'm fucking glad.
Speaker 2: If Dave and Tony genuinely found love for each other,
then fucking good for them.
Speaker 1: But yeah, just don't don't bullshit us about it. That's all. Like,
that's that to me, has always been and maybe it's
like a selfish component, even on my own end where
I look at it and I'm like, just don't don't
fucking be full of shit. Just be be fort right
with it, and like, no matter how fucking weird or
even if I don't, you know, it's not my cup
of tea or whatever, like just your shit, yeah, own
it for sure. Yeah, Like he's cheating on his you
know she's cheating on her husband. May's the husband might
be a fucking dink. I don't know him. He could suck,
but like, don't fucking you know, do it. Don't don't
mess in my face, Like, don't do that shit to me,
like don't play, don't play in my fucking face or
whatever they say with it. Don't don't shit in it,
fart in it. Like I know something is up. I'm
not stupid, and that's okay. And it's like, if for
whatever reason, Dave Meltzer just got on and he was like, hey,
you know, like, uh, Tony Khan fucking paid off my mortgage.
Shouldn't tell me Khan pace for my fucking bills, and
Tony Khan helped my kid when my kid got married,
and Tony Khan fucking gave him a fifty grand to
do it, I would go all right, cool, and by
the way, going forward, if he still was like, well,
I'm not gonna say anything bad about aw because Tony
did all this that was good for me, I'd.
Speaker 4: Go, okay, that's also fair, you know, like, Okay, you're
not a good critic of this, and you're maybe somebody
that's compromised and why would you have an opinion on this?
Speaker 1: But how can I do the same exact shit when
I listened to a guy like Cornette, who Cornett will
be like, oh Cid throwings, No, no, no, he's no,
he's good, And I'm like, Jim, you know he's not good.
You just like him personally because you worked with him
a dec I.
Speaker 2: Heard Jim actually pay Vincerew so a compliment or it
was it was a weird Yeah, Now, well I had
to do with Dixie because I think it was a
point when he was talking with Brian, and I believe
he was talking about Vince Rew, so I'd have to
go back and listen. But he basically said that I've
known the guy for years, but he wasn't tapping Dixie
because I think Brian brought.
Speaker 1: Up the compliment.
Speaker 2: The compliment is definitely no, he was smart enough not
to tap Dixie the way he put it. So yeah,
it wasn't like he wasn't tapping him because he couldn't.
It was more like, ah, that might not be a
vince rous thing. That one might that rumor might be
full of shit. It's like, all right, that's fine.
Speaker 1: I would love after that, Like Vince Rousso gets on
his podcast and he's like, thank you Jimmy for being
so kind to me. I appreciate that you did that,
but it's like, I still want you to fucking die.
I still want you to bleed and die and suffer.
I do not think I should bleed and die and suffer.
Thank you, Jimmy.
Speaker 2: Championship Wrestling, all right, but hey, look let's get out
of here. I know it's been an hour doing a
short show because obviously we got a short time. But
tomorrow we have Frank and Guss and then of course
Saturday Joe, you guess Saturday Night's made event.
Speaker 1: Yeah, be doing predictions for that tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we'll do that for tomorrow because I think that, yeah,
there's gonna be some changes tonight.
Speaker 1: But I was gonna say, are they going to have
they're gonna add to manches to this thing? Because I
feel like there's what too, there's.
Speaker 2: Only two on on the event that I'm looking at.
We're also doing this show early too. I don't think
people understand how early the show is being done. But
let's see. What do we have right now? Is just
uh oh god, let's see bye. I can't even find
the fucking page.
Speaker 1: What the fuck I was gonna say, there's well, there's
bird Girl in Bailey.
Speaker 2: Okay, No, we do have a full thing up now. Okay,
So it's Cody and Punk against Gunther and Sammy. Oh
Roman Reigns will appear in New York with the New
York Knicks. Oh cool, Bailey versus Lyra and Page and
Breed Bella versus Fallon. Henley and Lanley Laney.
Speaker 1: Read oh yeah, and well guys, yeah, stop the presses.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's it. That's all we got right now.
Speaker 1: So oh me, oh my, all right, Well we'll see
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