Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of Astrology with Alice. I'm
Speaker 1: here with Michelle Vasil who is an LA based psychic medium, hypnotherapist,
Speaker 1: and she also specializes in spirit babies. So we've got
Speaker 1: a lot to cover. We do. Welcome.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's our first time meeting in person, but we've
Speaker 1: been communicating a lot over the last few months, like
Speaker 1: on zoom calls and everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like I've known you for a long time.
Speaker 1: Oh, I love that. Before we get started, what is
Speaker 1: your sun, moon and rising?
Speaker 2: So overay, So my son is Libra, the rising is Sagittarius,
Speaker 2: and the moon is Leo.
Speaker 1: Okay, so the moon in the ninth house. I feel
Speaker 1: like with all the kind of spiritual people I've been
Speaker 1: having on here, a lot of people have ninth house
Speaker 1: placements because it is such a like interested in astrology
Speaker 1: or spirituality in general placement.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what makes me feel at home, very comfortable.
Speaker 1: So it makes sense. Yea. Also, you have your chart
Speaker 1: ruler Jupiter in your seventh house Gemini, and we both
Speaker 1: have that in common. I have the ruling planet on
Speaker 1: my chart of my seventh Yeah, how do you see
Speaker 1: that like our seventh House themes super important.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, relationships. Well, first of all in life, I
Speaker 2: feel like for a lot of people it's like this,
Speaker 2: but for me specifically, like connection is the most important thing.
Speaker 2: The relationships in my life are the reason why I'm alive,
Speaker 2: to strengthen and to just grow deeper connection. But then
Speaker 2: in my work, I have a company called Victim to Victor,
Speaker 2: and I'm often helping people with the relationship with themselves,
Speaker 2: the relationships that they have with their parents, the relationships
Speaker 2: with their loved ones, their friendships. So it makes its
Speaker 2: way into almost every element of my life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like navigating relationships becomes important in career two. Yeah absolutely.
Speaker 1: Do you find way your chart ruler in the seventh
Speaker 1: that you're often like kind of comparing yourself to other
Speaker 1: people or you need relationships to show you more of
Speaker 1: who you are. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I feel like my friendships, my relationships, they are my
Speaker 2: mirror for the things that I need to work on.
Speaker 2: So when someone is coming into my life with certain
Speaker 2: things and situations get brought up like we are the
Speaker 2: center point. So I know they say it's not all
Speaker 2: about you, but it is a lot of the time
Speaker 2: about you. And the things that are happening around you
Speaker 2: are showing you different aspects of yourself. So with a person,
Speaker 2: you are being beautifully mirrored back your strengths, back your weaknesses,
Speaker 2: the things that you need to work on. Something that
Speaker 2: I think is so interesting is that the things that
Speaker 2: you like in another person are often the things that
Speaker 2: you like in yourself.
Speaker 1: Or like what you're jealous in another person. It's like, okay,
Speaker 1: I used to have exactly Yes, yeah, I find that's
Speaker 1: a struggle with a son in the seventh house. It's
Speaker 1: like being envious of other people in some ways, but
Speaker 1: then being like, wait, I could do that myself, yes,
Speaker 1: and kind of showing me that.
Speaker 2: Whenever I notice that envy come up, because I am
Speaker 2: genuinely so happy for the people around me who are
Speaker 2: doing well. But when there is a ping of jealousy,
Speaker 2: I take it as a blessing because I'm like, Okay, well,
Speaker 2: obviously something that they're doing is what I want to
Speaker 2: be doing. I want to be experiencing, and so how
Speaker 2: can I implement more of that in my life? And
Speaker 2: then that jealousy it goes away.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's interesting. I want to start by talking about
Speaker 1: your work as a psychic media. How did you get
Speaker 1: into this because I feel like a lot of people think, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's something you have to be born with and you're
Speaker 1: just naturally psychic from like the day you're born. But
Speaker 1: you mentioned to me on a call that like it
Speaker 1: was something you picked up in your twenties. Do you
Speaker 1: want to elaborate on that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think as a child, I was always
Speaker 2: very interesting.
Speaker 1: Did in like magic?
Speaker 2: I practice magic, and I loved like witchcraft, Harry Potter.
Speaker 2: I got lost in those books because I wanted to
Speaker 2: go away and open up those gifts, but I wasn't
Speaker 2: seeing dead people. Yes, yeah, I do. However, now that
Speaker 2: I've learned how to do these things, I do believe
Speaker 2: we all have gifts. We all have our own intuitive
Speaker 2: gifts that are there for us to open up. Should
Speaker 2: that be something that we want to do, And I
Speaker 2: think as human consciousness grows and as we further along
Speaker 2: as society, people will be naturally opening up there. They're
Speaker 2: called clarees, and there's a bunch of different kinds of claares,
Speaker 2: and we all have like maybe one, two, three of
Speaker 2: those clarees that are within ourselves to really fully invest in,
Speaker 2: but really if you practiced any of them.
Speaker 1: It's like they're tools. You can grow them and learn them.
Speaker 2: But it wasn't really so I initially I started songwriting.
Speaker 2: I think I it was right before my Saturn return.
Speaker 1: I were like late twenties. I was.
Speaker 2: Writing music and there was a yoga studio on the
Speaker 2: corner of my street, and so I would go to
Speaker 2: yoga and then when I was coming home, these songs
Speaker 2: would start pouring into me. And I noticed that my
Speaker 2: songwriting was different before I went to yoga than it
Speaker 2: was after I went to yoga. So I started going
Speaker 2: to yoga before writing sessions because I was like something
Speaker 2: about yoga yoga is opening me up, connecting me to
Speaker 2: something higher. So that was my first experience with channeling,
Speaker 2: because that's really what it is. But then it wasn't
Speaker 2: until I had a friend pass away and I just
Speaker 2: really wanted to talk to him, and I started with
Speaker 2: tarot cards a lot. There was a lot of dream
Speaker 2: work too, like he would visit me in dreams. And
Speaker 2: then in Los Angeles, I fell into a community of
Speaker 2: intuitive people who were practicing their skills, and I got
Speaker 2: a reading with someone who brought in my friend and
Speaker 2: like her whole face changed and like she had his mannerisms,
Speaker 2: and I was like, you have to.
Speaker 1: Teach me what you're doing. Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Yes, So then I started opening up Mediumship and that's
Speaker 2: really where my life changed, and I began developing mediumship.
Speaker 1: What sign is your Saturn in my first Oh so
Speaker 1: this is a first house Saturn return. Yes, and it's
Speaker 1: very arnous. It was like it was so intense. So
Speaker 1: it was really like uncovering like abilities you have within
Speaker 1: yourself or like seeing yourself in a different way.
Speaker 2: Yes, it was also I separated from a really important relationship.
Speaker 2: I moved from New York to Los Angeles, my friend died,
Speaker 2: I went through alcohol abuse, I couldn't.
Speaker 1: Find a job.
Speaker 2: I switched to careers.
Speaker 1: Like, it was so intense. The first house really covers
Speaker 1: like all of the topics of life, like yeah, huge planets,
Speaker 1: like like Saturn going through the first it's like everything.
Speaker 1: You can expect multiple areas to shift.
Speaker 2: Yes, I did really feel that it was I often
Speaker 2: so my younger sister and I actually in my before
Speaker 2: my Saturn return, she would come and spend time with
Speaker 2: me and we got very close. And then after my
Speaker 2: we had difficulty during the process, and then afterwards she
Speaker 2: was like, you're like a different person. I don't relate
Speaker 2: to you anymore. And we've figured it out since then. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but it was so interesting because I got that a lot.
Speaker 2: Like that was something that people asked me. They were like,
Speaker 2: you're so different, how did you do it? And it
Speaker 2: was really I processed my trauma, like I processed the
Speaker 2: things that were keeping me rigid and inauthentic. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: then processed through the Saturn return. I would say until
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a lifelong journey right until about thirty
Speaker 2: three thirty four, I would say christ Consciousness year. The
Speaker 2: thirty third year is really when I started being this other,
Speaker 2: like implementing all the things from my Saturn return and
Speaker 2: really being able to walk that path.
Speaker 1: That's interesting because I'm thirty three right now, and I
Speaker 1: feel like kind of immediately after the saddern Return, like
Speaker 1: thirty thirty one, thirty two, still a little bit uncertain
Speaker 1: or like insecure, and I do feel like in thirty
Speaker 1: three it's like this is who I am. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: maybe if people listening like they're not feeling that exactly
Speaker 1: in the Saturn return, give it a few years.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Well, because you learn all the lessons, but
Speaker 2: usually the Saturn return is so packed with experiences that
Speaker 2: you do need. It's like if you're going to do
Speaker 2: a mushroom or iowasca journey, they say not to do
Speaker 2: them back to back to back to back, because when
Speaker 2: you have one experience with that medicine, you need time
Speaker 2: to process it. I actually feel you need at least
Speaker 2: a year or two to process any individual journey because
Speaker 2: that's how powerful it is. And so if you look
Speaker 2: at the Saturn return as a journey, I need a
Speaker 2: couple of years to process.
Speaker 1: Everything that happened. Yeah, and you're building up to the
Speaker 1: Saturn square around thirty six yeahes which I just experienced.
Speaker 1: How was that in comparison? So much easier?
Speaker 2: Okay, oh my god, it's so much easier. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean the thirty sixth year for me, it was the
Speaker 2: I was having a nodal return, and I mean I
Speaker 2: met my partner. I'm also a writer and director, So
Speaker 2: a project I was working on we went into production.
Speaker 2: I shifted gears within my company, like so many foundational
Speaker 2: things shifted. It was like my Saturn return in certain ways,
Speaker 2: but so like there was no death, which was not
Speaker 2: gonna win very nice not to experience. And I think
Speaker 2: if I were to experience my Saturn return now nearly
Speaker 2: a decade later, I now have the tools to deal
Speaker 2: with a lot of the stuff that happened. I didn't
Speaker 2: have the capacity. I wasn't awake, I didn't I was
Speaker 2: unconscious in a lot of ways. So an unconscious person
Speaker 2: like flailing about trying to deal with these huge life
Speaker 2: topics as opposed to someone like myself now who understands
Speaker 2: grief and knows how the how to integrate those things.
Speaker 2: If I were to move through those things now, I
Speaker 2: have a support system of things that I could rely
Speaker 2: on to make sure that I could process.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like the same transit, like you'll get another
Speaker 1: side on return, for instance, but it's not going to
Speaker 1: hit you the same way because you've grown. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to like when you were so basically when
Speaker 1: you stumbled into this new interest of like wanting to
Speaker 1: learn how to channel and become more of like I
Speaker 1: don't know, top into your psychic abilities. I guess was
Speaker 1: there like an initial experience where you're like, WHOA, that
Speaker 1: was so cool, Like I just did that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I still have mom. It's like that where
Speaker 2: I read for someone, and like even the other night,
Speaker 2: I was reading for a friend and she was like, well,
Speaker 2: what's my baby's purpose? And the first thing that popped
Speaker 2: in was a dentist. And I was like, Okay, I
Speaker 2: know this is really random, but I'm getting dentist. And
Speaker 2: she was like, oh my god, she has to be joking.
Speaker 2: My family and I were just kidding about the worst
Speaker 2: jobs in the world, and we said a dentist must
Speaker 2: be because we all hate going to them. And so
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, that's so funny because it's such
Speaker 2: a random thing for me to pick up on. But
Speaker 2: it's like little moments like that, but I will say, okay.
Speaker 2: So back in twenty twenty one, I was in tu Loom,
Speaker 2: and Tuloom is this beautiful portal of energy. There's certain cities, towns,
Speaker 2: communities around the world, to Loom being one of them, Sedona,
Speaker 2: oh Hi, Mount Shasta. It's this mass amount of energy
Speaker 2: that's in one place that allow for like supernatural activity.
Speaker 2: So I find when I'm in one of those places,
Speaker 2: it's like I'm closer to a higher power. I'm closer
Speaker 2: to the heavens. And in the morning at our resort,
Speaker 2: you could go and have like a communal breakfast. You
Speaker 2: go sit with other people. And I sat down next
Speaker 2: to this man and with spirits, and we can talk
Speaker 2: about this. I have established very strong boundaries, which has
Speaker 2: helped me implement boundaries in my own life. But I
Speaker 2: have told them like I don't want to see you,
Speaker 2: like in waking life, like I don't want to see you.
Speaker 2: If you're there, I'll like close my eyes and then
Speaker 2: you can come forward, or I'll see like pops of
Speaker 2: color or brushes of light. So when we go and
Speaker 2: sit down, and this was the first time I ever
Speaker 2: felt it like this. It was literally like someone was knocking,
Speaker 2: and I intuitively knew it was his mother because I'm clearvoyant,
Speaker 2: so clear seeing I see things kind of like they're
Speaker 2: out on a screen, but not really.
Speaker 1: It's very subtle.
Speaker 2: And then clear cognisance, which is an all knowing, clear knowing.
Speaker 2: I just know things, And so I knew it was
Speaker 2: his mother. And so we're in the middle of a
Speaker 2: conversation and I just asked, you know, is your mom
Speaker 2: on the other side, and he was like, yeah, she
Speaker 2: passed away, And I was like, I know, this is
Speaker 2: really random, but I'm a medium, and I feel like
Speaker 2: your mom is here. Do you mind if I just
Speaker 2: tap in and get the messages and give them to you?
Speaker 2: And he was like okay, So I give him whatever
Speaker 2: messages and then she moves on her own way and
Speaker 2: I come out to him. I'm like, how are you doing?
Speaker 2: He's like, you know, this morning, I sat at the
Speaker 2: beach and I was speaking to my mother and I said,
Speaker 2: I don't feel you around me anymore, Oh my god.
Speaker 2: And he said, I need a sign that you are
Speaker 2: still here. And then literally an hour later, a medium
Speaker 2: sits down next to me and tells me that my
Speaker 2: mother is here. And it was just such a moment
Speaker 2: of like, this is why.
Speaker 1: I'm doing this. Yeah, like I'm.
Speaker 2: Connecting again, connecting relationships right, connecting people to each other,
Speaker 2: and it was just such a special, magical moment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is so cool. Oh my god. So you
Speaker 1: before we fully get into spear babies, because I want
Speaker 1: to spend any time talking about that niche of yours.
Speaker 1: You balance like mediumship and hypnotherapy with a whole other
Speaker 1: career of screenwriting, like writing and directing short films well.
Speaker 2: In regular yes, yeah, yeah, so I'm a writer director.
Speaker 2: It started with songwriting, so I grew up in musical theater,
Speaker 2: and hence why I lived in New York for so long.
Speaker 2: I would audition all the time, and I moved to
Speaker 2: LA to write music, and then I ended up in
Speaker 2: the film industry writing music for different projects. And then
Speaker 2: I'm also an actor, so I was like in those projects.
Speaker 2: And back in twenty nineteen, right before the pandemic, I
Speaker 2: was performing at the Troubadour, which is this big theater, famous, famous,
Speaker 2: iconic like the Eagles, Janis Joplin, Aunt John They've all
Speaker 2: played this stage. It's insane. I got very very lucky
Speaker 2: to perform there. And I would do a song and
Speaker 2: then I do stand up, and then I do a
Speaker 2: song and stand up. And so at the very end,
Speaker 2: my music manager came up to me and was like,
Speaker 2: you know that you're writing a musical, right, Like that
Speaker 2: was a musical, and so then the pandemic happened and
Speaker 2: I was like, well, I guess I'm writing a musical.
Speaker 2: So I wrote my first movie musical and then we
Speaker 2: actually one of my clients. The two funnel into each other.
Speaker 2: It's very interesting how spirit works. But my company, I
Speaker 2: often meet the people that I work with in my
Speaker 2: writing directing. So one of my clients was like, I
Speaker 2: came to the Troubadour, saw the show and was like,
Speaker 2: oh sorry, I got to reperform at the Troubadour in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four and one of my clients came to
Speaker 2: that show and that was where I presented the music
Speaker 2: from the musical, and so she saw that and was like,
Speaker 2: I want to invest in this. Well, this was one
Speaker 2: of your medium clients. Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, she was.
Speaker 2: So with hypnotherapy and mediumship, I have a combined I
Speaker 2: have programs that I do with people, and so she
Speaker 2: was a longtime client that I'd been working with and
Speaker 2: she had fallen in love with the things my creations
Speaker 2: and helped me to springboard into a part of the
Speaker 2: film industry that I hadn't. I didn't know how I
Speaker 2: was going to get there, and God worked it out
Speaker 2: for me and the universe made it all happen. We shot, actually,
Speaker 2: I think tomorrow, we shot my first thing ever a
Speaker 2: year ago. So for twenty six, twenty five was when
Speaker 2: we shot three hundred feet Tall in the Redwood Forest,
Speaker 2: and now that's making its way into festivals and I
Speaker 2: just got hired to work on another short film. But
Speaker 2: the goal of a short film is ultimately to create
Speaker 2: a full feature or a pilot. So it's more so
Speaker 2: like a proof of concept of what it is that
Speaker 2: you are creating. And the way that I have the
Speaker 2: two kind of funneling in is my company. I work
Speaker 2: one on one with people in my creations. In my writing,
Speaker 2: it's meant to be more of like a mass experience
Speaker 2: to help my goals to connect people into deeper parts
Speaker 2: of themselves and to wake themselves up to be as
Speaker 2: conscious as possible and to be as open hearted as possible.
Speaker 2: And so I'm able to do that one on one
Speaker 2: in my company, and then with my musicals, my film,
Speaker 2: my pilots, I open up people's minds on a bigger scale.
Speaker 1: So the two influence each other in a really possible
Speaker 1: they doo. Do you feel like you could ever choose
Speaker 1: between one or the other or you need kind of
Speaker 1: variety in your career in that way?
Speaker 2: No, I think ultimately it's hard to say. I think
Speaker 2: the reason why I'm developing mother's intuition with spirit babies
Speaker 2: is because ultimately, as I move into motherhood, that's what
Speaker 2: I want. I've made a promise to children to spirit
Speaker 2: babies that I would help them. So I'll always do that.
Speaker 2: I'll always help the children, but my writing and directing, eventually,
Speaker 2: when that is at a place where it's a little
Speaker 2: bit bigger, I will invest more time in that and
Speaker 2: then have my children and then the children of spirit.
Speaker 2: So I think that's kind of how and Victim to
Speaker 2: Victor my first company, that was more so working with
Speaker 2: people to overcome trauma and victimization. That was really present
Speaker 2: because I was going through that. We do what we
Speaker 2: are experiencing. So I was experiencing overcoming a lot of
Speaker 2: sexual abuse. And as I did that, then this practice
Speaker 2: grew and then I began working with people who were
Speaker 2: overcoming that as well. Now I still operate that, but
Speaker 2: as I move into motherhood over the next few years,
Speaker 2: I will eventually allow that to leave and just more
Speaker 2: so open up mother's intuition to work with spirit babies.
Speaker 2: And then, you know, with kids, I guess it's going
Speaker 2: to be how much.
Speaker 1: Time do I have, you know, like what do I
Speaker 1: have time for?
Speaker 2: But ultimately my creations, I mean, I want to put
Speaker 2: them up on Netflix. I want to put the musicals
Speaker 2: up on Broadway immersive experiences like I have huge, big,
Speaker 2: beautiful ideas, and we'll let the universe show me where
Speaker 2: it's all meant to go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of taking it one stuff at a time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's talk about spirit babies.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So this was like something you discovered and became a
Speaker 1: lot more interested in a few years after you got
Speaker 1: into psychic mediumship, right.
Speaker 2: So actually it happened before. Oh okay, so when I
Speaker 2: was so during the Saturn Return was when my gifts
Speaker 2: were opening. But I don't think I actually got certified
Speaker 2: until I was like thirty one thirty two, so at
Speaker 2: about the age of thirty, So right towards the end
Speaker 2: of the Saturn Return, I went to a breathwork ceremony
Speaker 2: and I had never done breath work, and for anyone
Speaker 2: who hasn't, it's like, it's amazing.
Speaker 1: It's powerful. I've done it once. I was like, it's
Speaker 1: life changing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it it will take you to higher levels of consciousness,
Speaker 2: like immediately. But I went to a breathwork ceremony and
Speaker 2: you drink CBD as a tea, so it just helps
Speaker 2: the like calm oxidized oxidization that's happening in your body
Speaker 2: and you're breathing in and my hands were like curling
Speaker 2: in because of the kind of breath work that we
Speaker 2: were doing. And I got taken up above clouds. I
Speaker 2: was seeing clouds and then there was this short little
Speaker 2: man and he went like this in his arms, and
Speaker 2: in his arms was a baby boy. And I heard
Speaker 2: my voice go, is that my son? James? And I
Speaker 2: got so tape. I was like what just happened to me?
Speaker 2: And I popped out of it and I was like, WHOA.
Speaker 2: I didn't know I wanted kids. I was so far
Speaker 2: away from a partner and it was just like okay,
Speaker 2: And then I started feeling this child around me, so
Speaker 2: that that was like it started at thirty. And then
Speaker 2: it was when you actually you shared Walter M. Kitchen's
Speaker 2: book Spirit Babies.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Love that book. Anyone else listening needs to read it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think I'd done a couple of readings
Speaker 2: for children before that. But when I read that book,
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, something in my body just clicked,
Speaker 2: like I meant to do this. I meant to help
Speaker 2: these children. And so he offers like a bunch of
Speaker 2: exercises too, So I started doing that to tap into
Speaker 2: my child just to kind of like practice his way
Speaker 2: of doing things, and it became a tool and I
Speaker 2: have a very unique way that I process and use
Speaker 2: my mediumship. But from there, every once in a while
Speaker 2: I would get clients just with Victim to Victor, who
Speaker 2: had children who needed help either conceiving, in pregnancy, they
Speaker 2: were experiencing something, or their kids were earthside and were
Speaker 2: having like allergic reactions or colic or behavioral issues, sibling issues,
Speaker 2: anger issues. So Spirit was bringing me cases where I
Speaker 2: was learning and growing, and then I with the clients
Speaker 2: that I have now, I was like, Okay, would I
Speaker 2: want to be taking this energy into my body when
Speaker 2: I'm pregnant? Would I want to be working on their
Speaker 2: trauma as I'm experiencing something so sacred because I am
Speaker 2: during a session, I'm like taking their energy and cleaning
Speaker 2: it and giving it back.
Speaker 1: In a way.
Speaker 2: There's a energetic alignment that's happening, attunement that's happening while
Speaker 2: I'm working on them. And I wasn't sure if I
Speaker 2: wanted to do that when I was pregnant, so I
Speaker 2: asked Spirit, I said, well, what would be the best
Speaker 2: thing for me to do then? And I just heard, well,
Speaker 2: you work with children. So that's when I started to
Speaker 2: open more up to mother's intuition. At the same time
Speaker 2: that you and I started speaking about everything, and you
Speaker 2: were kind of a part of that expansion for myself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I think it was on one of my podcasts.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yeah, I'm going to try to
Speaker 1: get pregnant soon. And you heard that and you reached
Speaker 1: out to me and you're like, hey, this is so random,
Speaker 1: but do you want a session with me where we
Speaker 1: can tap into the spirit of your future child. Yeah?
Speaker 1: That was so fun.
Speaker 2: It was I just I felt I was like, ooh,
Speaker 2: that would be a fun thing to do, and I
Speaker 2: was so happy that you were game and our sessions together.
Speaker 2: It just started to I was like, oh, yeah, this
Speaker 2: is because I always say, like, spirit baby readings are
Speaker 2: my favorite readings, And if they're my favorite readings, why
Speaker 2: aren't I doing them more?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So, now since I've opened this up and you and
Speaker 2: I worked and I I launched the website and I
Speaker 2: started more promoting it to my clients, like I'm working
Speaker 2: with women for preconception, conception, pregnancy, postpartum, both with mediumship
Speaker 2: and hypnotherapy. Just clients have been coming to me, and
Speaker 2: I've been feeling the children kind of like in the ethers,
Speaker 2: orchestrating everything so that I can be their their mouthpiece.
Speaker 1: That's so cool. I know. My question mainly when I
Speaker 1: came to you was like when will conception work? Like
Speaker 1: when will it happen? Is that mainly why people come
Speaker 1: to you just wanting to know w happen? Or is
Speaker 1: there are there other specific areas people ask about a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, that's one of them, especially if someone
Speaker 2: has been trying for quite some time and they're they're
Speaker 2: not having the success that they would want.
Speaker 1: I would really like.
Speaker 2: To work with people before they try IVF. That's something
Speaker 2: that eventually I will align myself with practitioners that before
Speaker 2: they go down that very very expensive, very very challenging
Speaker 2: on the body process that they're tapping into the child first,
Speaker 2: because sometimes it's.
Speaker 1: Something so simple.
Speaker 2: So I will get people who come to me that
Speaker 2: are like, we've been trying, is it going to happen?
Speaker 1: What's going on?
Speaker 2: And while I am not a I always have to
Speaker 2: preface that I'm not a doctor, so always go and
Speaker 2: seek out medical advice. But oftentimes I will be able
Speaker 2: to pick up on medical issues, or I mean sometimes
Speaker 2: it's as easy as the mother is in a really
Speaker 2: stressful job and the child with like the mother to
Speaker 2: find a way to regulate their nervous system before carrying them. Interesting, Yeah,
Speaker 2: Or they need to be their body physical body isn't
Speaker 2: at the weight it needs to be in order to
Speaker 2: carry the child, or they need to move into some
Speaker 2: other place before carrying. Like a lot of times, those
Speaker 2: are things that'll come up with preconception. I will get
Speaker 2: people that aren't thinking of having a child right now,
Speaker 2: but are interested in expanding that relationship. So like they'll
Speaker 2: women are so intuitive and they'll feel something around themselves,
Speaker 2: so I'll go in and find out that and kind
Speaker 2: of like flesh out their relationship so that they can
Speaker 2: continue growing that after the call. Yeah, and the questions
Speaker 2: that I'll ask almost every spirit baby is why are
Speaker 2: you choosing your parents? What is your life purpose? What
Speaker 2: are your life lessons? Oftentimes people want to know have
Speaker 2: I had a pass life with them before? And then
Speaker 2: parents will have their own questions, So like preconception, I'll
Speaker 2: get that also people who've experienced miscarriages, asking why the
Speaker 2: miscarriage happened and wanting to speak to that soul. Often
Speaker 2: I feel that that soul has come in more times
Speaker 2: than not to clean out the body. So what I've
Speaker 2: learned from hypnotherapy is that we are programmed by our
Speaker 2: main caretakers from the age of zero, when we're in
Speaker 2: the womb, all the way until about the age of eight.
Speaker 2: So when a child is in the womb, they are
Speaker 2: being programmed by their parents. And if the mother has,
Speaker 2: say she has an abandonment wound, a mother father wound,
Speaker 2: a big amount of grief or anger stuck in the body,
Speaker 2: the baby may not want to be carried while that
Speaker 2: energy is there. So what it will do is it
Speaker 2: will work with the mother. It'll come in, it'll miscarry,
Speaker 2: which was the entire tension of the child the entire
Speaker 2: time to clean the mother out energetically and emotionally, because
Speaker 2: sometimes the mother needs an event like that in order
Speaker 2: to process the grief or the anger that's been stuck there,
Speaker 2: or to go and find the help in order to
Speaker 2: do that. So that when that's clear, then the spirit
Speaker 2: baby goes Okay, great, now I can I can be
Speaker 2: with you now, and then comes back.
Speaker 1: Yeah. That resonates a lot with my own experience. I mean,
Speaker 1: I didn't have a miscarriage, but I came to like
Speaker 1: we had our first session. It was after the first
Speaker 1: time I had tried to conceive, and I since thought
Speaker 1: I was getting my period, and I was like really
Speaker 1: upset about it, and you tapped into the spirit and
Speaker 1: you were like, yeah, you are about to get your period,
Speaker 1: Like that's being confirmed, but it's because there's like a
Speaker 1: lot of emotion that needs to be released first. And
Speaker 1: I didn't know what you meant at the time. And
Speaker 1: then I went home to where my mom and my
Speaker 1: stepdad live in Nashville for Thanksgiving and I had this
Speaker 1: like huge moment with my mom where I just let
Speaker 1: out all of the emotions of like why I've been
Speaker 1: upset with her my entire life. And then the baby
Speaker 1: was conceived a week later, so powerful, and you had
Speaker 1: predicted You're like, yeah, I think it'll be a positive
Speaker 1: before Christmas. Yeah, so you were right about both of those.
Speaker 1: And it was like I didn't know what that emotion was.
Speaker 1: And then I was like, Okay, that makes so much sense.
Speaker 1: Why that had to come first, and then I end
Speaker 1: up having a daughter because of the I don't know.
Speaker 1: I felt like when I first got pregnant. I couldn't
Speaker 1: have a daughter because I don't know what it's like
Speaker 1: to have a good mother daughter relationship. You will know,
Speaker 1: I know. So I was like the whole time, the
Speaker 1: first three months of pregnancy, before I found out the gender,
Speaker 1: I was like, it's a boy, it's a boy. And
Speaker 1: then I was shocked, Yeah it was a girl. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I thought it was what you do too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm very rarely wrong, but I have been twice.
Speaker 2: I've been wrong twice with gender. And in this case,
Speaker 2: when I tapped into her, she was like, well, I
Speaker 2: wanted my mom to be surprised, which was just so sweet.
Speaker 2: So she kept it a secret, little trickster.
Speaker 1: So there's some stuff they won't let you in on
Speaker 1: because they want it the parent, just to that intimacy.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's mediumship in general. Sometimes when I'm receiving information,
Speaker 2: I'll get like an X or like a lock like
Speaker 2: I'm not meant to know that, or I just won't
Speaker 2: receive any information. And when I was younger and a
Speaker 2: little bit more inexperienced, I took that as a slight.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh no, I'm not talented enough to
Speaker 2: get that information. And as I've grown, and it's happened
Speaker 2: multiple times. I mean, it doesn't happen frequently, but there
Speaker 2: are some areas we're not meant to know everything. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, like my intention is to give loving guidance
Speaker 2: and advice to align you with your greatest possibility for
Speaker 2: this lifetime. So I'm going to give you that information.
Speaker 2: But if something you're asking for is going to hinder that,
Speaker 2: then we're not going to get that information.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Like I tried to ask you. I get so
Speaker 1: fixated all my career and I was like, what's my
Speaker 1: next book going to be about? And you were like,
Speaker 1: they literally tell me, like figure it out? Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: how's that going. It's not going yet. I feel like
Speaker 1: the baby's the first mission here and then other stuff
Speaker 1: will happen. Yeah. I wanted to ask you more questions
Speaker 1: about spirit babies. I'm trying to think of a good one.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I know you can't get into like
Speaker 1: exact specifics around clients because that information is super private.
Speaker 1: But have there been like cool instances in readings? I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, yes, there have been very magical moments. Uh,
Speaker 2: So let's see, let's give general because I don't want to. Yeah,
Speaker 2: every client is so personal. I was working with someone
Speaker 2: their child is earth bound and a toddler and was
Speaker 2: having some difficulty at school, and so I just went
Speaker 2: in and we felt into their future timelines because this
Speaker 2: mother was just worried how life was going to go
Speaker 2: for their baby and was worried that there was a
Speaker 2: harder path set out for them and wanted to know
Speaker 2: loving guidance and advice in order to help these behavioral
Speaker 2: issues that could have potentially helped the child back. And
Speaker 2: I was able to give a lot of reassurance to
Speaker 2: the mother. And then also I saw this child flourishing,
Speaker 2: so that was beautiful, and the mother contacted me, and
Speaker 2: the child has made like a one to eighty turn
Speaker 2: and is flourishing, and those behavioral issues have shifted and
Speaker 2: transitioned with time. I had seen that there was the
Speaker 2: possibility of within a couple months time that there was
Speaker 2: going to be a big realization that they were going
Speaker 2: to have that was going to help shift. The child
Speaker 2: was having a hard time talking, and so something big
Speaker 2: shifted for them at the time that I had said,
Speaker 2: and then everything kind of fell into place.
Speaker 1: Oh that's so cool. Yeah, when you tap into like
Speaker 1: a sphere of baby that hasn't been conceived yet. How
Speaker 1: is like a spear baby's consciousness felt differently than if
Speaker 1: you were to tap into like a baby that's already
Speaker 1: been born.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's such an interesting question. So we live in
Speaker 2: a multi dimensional world, right, So if I were to
Speaker 2: tap into you, I could tap into your human. I
Speaker 2: could tap into your higher self. I could tap into
Speaker 2: your human as an adult. I could tap into them
Speaker 2: as a grandmother, I could tap into them as a child.
Speaker 2: And so we have the ability to do that with anyone.
Speaker 2: So when I'm speaking to people on the other side,
Speaker 2: sometimes I'm talking to their very human.
Speaker 1: Like my.
Speaker 2: A very cool experience that happened was sometimes I'll have
Speaker 2: mediumship dreams and they're just different than other kinds of dreams.
Speaker 2: And it was right before I woke up, and I
Speaker 2: was in a white room and my mother came in
Speaker 2: looking exactly as she looks, and there was like this
Speaker 2: really young man beside her, very looking young man, and
Speaker 2: he was just kind of like standing there, and my
Speaker 2: mother gestured to him, rolled her eyes and went, this.
Speaker 1: Is your papa.
Speaker 2: And then I woke up and my mom looked so
Speaker 2: annoyed because my grandfather had decided to show up as
Speaker 2: a twenty year old good looking man, and he actually
Speaker 2: then was around me in order he kept nudging me.
Speaker 2: He told me a family secret that I won't share here,
Speaker 2: but like very scandalous, okay. And I went to my
Speaker 2: mother and I was like, do you think that this
Speaker 2: is true? And she was like, I've always thought that
Speaker 2: that might be true. And then I spoke with him
Speaker 2: and he was like, we need to help your mother
Speaker 2: process her anger. And so I worked with my mom
Speaker 2: to process her anger. And then my papa went away,
Speaker 2: so his spirit was able to come to me as
Speaker 2: a twenty year old. I could speak to him his
Speaker 2: higher self or an expanded like my friend that passed
Speaker 2: away that got me into mediumship. When I feel into
Speaker 2: his energy, he feels non physical and very big, like
Speaker 2: this big floating energy. Now with children I have spoken
Speaker 2: to like my son, I've spoken to him as he's
Speaker 2: come to me as like a thirty year old. I'll
Speaker 2: get messages from him as a four year old. And
Speaker 2: when you're receiving messages. I find this with animals. If
Speaker 2: you ask a dog questions, they're going to give you
Speaker 2: dog answers. So when you're asking a child questions, they're
Speaker 2: going to give you child like answers. But I can
Speaker 2: also go, Okay, thank you so much. I'm going to
Speaker 2: tap into your higher self, right, the over soul to
Speaker 2: get the information that I actually need. So really anything
Speaker 2: is possible, and I can talk to whoever. And when
Speaker 2: speaking even to animals, I'll speak to the dog or
Speaker 2: the cat, and then I'll speak to their higher self,
Speaker 2: or even speak to your higher self, because the animal
Speaker 2: is an extension of you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you did my cat, which he was super sick.
Speaker 1: Cool and it helps. How How is he's a lot
Speaker 1: better now? He's completely normal? Well, okay, there was one
Speaker 1: thing I want to Oh yeah, so I'm in the
Speaker 1: second trauma. So right now, is there like a moment
Speaker 1: when you feel like the soul or like the spirit
Speaker 1: of a baby like in our Oh yes, yeah, for birth? Yes.
Speaker 2: So it's been my understanding that the child is in
Speaker 2: and out of the mother's womb of the physical body
Speaker 2: up until about the age five months in utero to
Speaker 2: seven months in utero. At about that time, I even
Speaker 2: noticed a shift in consciousness. When I'm speaking to them,
Speaker 2: they'll be much more expanded and almost like like they're
Speaker 2: aware of what their life's going to look like and
Speaker 2: their past lives and just that more expanded POV. And
Speaker 2: then at about five to seven months, I'll feel in
Speaker 2: and it's like very much an infant and they have decided, Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm going to settle in here and be present and
Speaker 2: this is my life now, and this is what I'm
Speaker 2: committing to. And so there is that shift at about
Speaker 2: five to seven months where the child will go all right,
Speaker 2: I'm the infant, peace out.
Speaker 1: I think you said I hadn't gotten there quite yet,
Speaker 1: but it was like coming soon, like by June or something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: coming soon. We'll have to reconnect and see how like, yeah,
Speaker 1: the message you're getting is completely different at that point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the whole process with working with children is so wonderful.
Speaker 2: And oh you had asked people coming to me when
Speaker 2: they're in pregnancy. I've gotten people who are asking questions
Speaker 2: about the actual birth itself, like will I be able
Speaker 2: to have a vaginal birth, will it need to be
Speaker 2: a C section?
Speaker 1: Will I be induced?
Speaker 2: I often get what sign are they going to be?
Speaker 2: And then with human design, I'll also get like what
Speaker 2: human design are they? Then if there's anything health wise
Speaker 2: going on with the mother during pregnancy, I can discuss that,
Speaker 2: and then once their earth side, if there's any allergies.
Speaker 2: Often get asked about allergies, behavioral issues.
Speaker 1: Collic.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I also play the Alchemy Crystal singing bulls and
Speaker 2: I sing with them. So with collic, it's usually something energetic.
Speaker 2: They're just very sensitive to their experience. So I will
Speaker 2: go in and speak to the child and help them
Speaker 2: to turn down their sensitivity and teach them how to
Speaker 2: turn it back up. I use my bulls to help
Speaker 2: the child there.
Speaker 1: That's so cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just helping them energetically to because if we're going
Speaker 2: to turn down their sensitivity while they grow, I want
Speaker 2: them to be able to gradually turn it back up.
Speaker 2: But I know my sister, her baby, my first niece,
Speaker 2: was colic, and I tapped into her and I worked
Speaker 2: with her and told her how to showed her how
Speaker 2: to turn down that sensitivity. A week later, the collic stopped.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so there's a process too. When you work
Speaker 2: on something energetically, it usually takes a beat before shows
Speaker 2: up physically in the physical realm.
Speaker 1: Okay, do you find that you mentioned this brievially the
Speaker 1: topic of past lives and children having past lives with
Speaker 1: their parents. Do you feel like that's often the case? Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: like always the case or often.
Speaker 2: Sometimes it can be like a newbie, but more often
Speaker 2: than not, we travel in the same soul groups. Ye,
Speaker 2: so our parents are a child will choose their parents
Speaker 2: based off of what the actual connection is in past lives,
Speaker 2: but then also what the parent can offer, like what
Speaker 2: lessons the parent will implement for the child. So that
Speaker 2: relationship is just so important and informative because the parents
Speaker 2: are who are sculpting the child's subconscious mind and the
Speaker 2: subconscious mind those belief systems that are implemented from zero
Speaker 2: to eight are what we live the rest of our
Speaker 2: life by. So that role is so important because it
Speaker 2: creates the belief systems we live we live by. So yes,
Speaker 2: oftentimes they're in the same soul group, so they've played
Speaker 2: different roles.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like for instance, like in a past life, maybe
Speaker 1: the baby coming to you in this life used to
Speaker 1: be your parents or like your siblings. Yes, very much
Speaker 1: so crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we haven't asked your little one about that, we know.
Speaker 1: I get some point as I was asking these questions,
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't, Yeah, I know the answer.
Speaker 1: You should do that. The next session will do it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I want to also touch upon your work as a hypnotherapist,
Speaker 1: because we did a little bit of that too, and
Speaker 1: that was so helpful, Like you helped me. I never
Speaker 1: had this happen before. Like we went back in my
Speaker 1: life and I could see I was like in my
Speaker 1: body at thirty days old, and I could like, since
Speaker 1: my mother's and my parents' energy, yes, what like how
Speaker 1: do you implement that into your work to use that
Speaker 1: as a helpful like supplement to spirit babies, mediumship or
Speaker 1: is that something stuff up?
Speaker 2: It's separate but all included. I'm so grateful that I
Speaker 2: found hypnotherapy because man, I did years of therapy, and
Speaker 2: within six months of hypnotherapy, things had just turned around. Because,
Speaker 2: like I said, from zero to eight, we're creating our
Speaker 2: belief system, and in talk therapy we become conscious of
Speaker 2: the patterns, We become conscious of the things that we're doing.
Speaker 2: But then each time we come up to that decision,
Speaker 2: we have to consciously make a different decision, make a
Speaker 2: different decision, make a different decision, and eventually, if you've
Speaker 2: made that decision enough times consciously, a new neural pathway forms.
Speaker 2: With hypnotherapy, the neural pathway automatically forms. You just make
Speaker 2: the new decision. You don't even realize, you don't come
Speaker 2: up to it, you just make it because the pathway
Speaker 2: has been formed. So with hypnotherapy, I've also learned neural
Speaker 2: linguistic programming. And what you were talking about where you
Speaker 2: went back to thirty days old is mental and emotional
Speaker 2: release therapy. So our bodies are these advanced technologies, and
Speaker 2: when we are younger, we don't know how to process
Speaker 2: big emotions. So if we're experiencing some kind of grief, sadness, anger, guilt, disappointment,
Speaker 2: our body goes, this is too big for you. I'll
Speaker 2: hold on to it until you're older. And so it
Speaker 2: holds on to it and it shows up for you
Speaker 2: again and again, which is oftentimes it's like, oh, why
Speaker 2: does this keep happening to me? It's because the body's like,
Speaker 2: because you need to release me. So what I do
Speaker 2: is I take people back to the moment, whether in
Speaker 2: a past life in the womb or in early childhood
Speaker 2: where this big emotion was rooted. We learn about it
Speaker 2: and we process it and then it no longer needs
Speaker 2: to show up anymore in your life.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Like, we also went back to when I was
Speaker 1: two years old, and it was just so interesting to
Speaker 1: see a memory from like now, my consciousness is like
Speaker 1: a thirty three year old yeah, and I could just
Speaker 1: it was almost like rewriting a narrative that was established
Speaker 1: at that time, like, oh, it's really not about me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like that hurt that I felt at two years old
Speaker 1: had nothing to do with me. So then I after
Speaker 1: hypnosis in my adult body, now I don't know, it
Speaker 1: doesn't like linger or like as much.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Like for example, with myself, my father he was
Speaker 2: building a company when I was younger, and so he
Speaker 2: would often leave in the morning before I got up,
Speaker 2: and he would come home after I'd gone to bed,
Speaker 2: and on Sundays sometimes he'd have to go to work.
Speaker 2: And so I had this sadness in this abandonment that
Speaker 2: was showing up. My dad was never abandoning me, but
Speaker 2: that's how I processed it as a baby. So when
Speaker 2: I went back, I was like, oh, no, he was
Speaker 2: providing for the family. He was showing up by going
Speaker 2: to work. And so once I learned that I met
Speaker 2: my partner, like two weeks later because it was preventing
Speaker 2: me from me I was like avoidance, narcissists, abusive relationships,
Speaker 2: and I was able to pinpoint it back to when
Speaker 2: I was before the age of one, when my dad
Speaker 2: was building this company, and this wound grew and grew
Speaker 2: and grew, and as soon as I processed and was like, oh,
Speaker 2: this had nothing to do with me and my dad
Speaker 2: always loved me, Yeah, it just it went away. And
Speaker 2: then my amazing partner came in.
Speaker 1: With people you do hypnotherapy with, do you also get
Speaker 1: the same response, like this problem I've been having my
Speaker 1: whole life just went away. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And the reason why I even went into ypnotherapy
Speaker 2: is because with Mediumship, I was starting to see people's trauma,
Speaker 2: Like I was seeing patterns that they were experiencing over
Speaker 2: and over again, and then I would energetically lift it
Speaker 2: off of them with a sound bath, but the issue
Speaker 2: would return like three or four months later. And so
Speaker 2: I spoke to a mentor of mine and I was like,
Speaker 2: why is this happening? Why isn't it permanently going away?
Speaker 2: And she said, it's because you're not creating a new
Speaker 2: neural pathway. You're just releasing the energy, but then because
Speaker 2: they're still implementing that behavior, it comes back. So then
Speaker 2: I went to school for hypnotherapy, a year long program
Speaker 2: at Hypnosis Motivation Institute, and I learned all of these
Speaker 2: things that I am certified in to help people to
Speaker 2: process long term, it's just finished and done with.
Speaker 1: This also goes back to just your Moon in the
Speaker 1: Ninth House's love of learning, but also like when I'm
Speaker 1: sad too, love teaching. But also just like with the
Speaker 1: Moon in the Ninth House, it's like you're dealing with
Speaker 1: emotional stuff that you're learning and teaching about.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, very much. I work with people who have
Speaker 2: experienced really painful trauma, and I'm so grateful that they're
Speaker 2: able to trust me. I also I used to say,
Speaker 2: I'm so lucky to have been through so many terrible
Speaker 2: things because it gave me the ability to release any
Speaker 2: kind of judgment. Like when someone comes to I'm like,
Speaker 2: I've dipped my toe in that, I totally got you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you need those experiences to have wisdom on those Yes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for anyone that's like wanting to tap into their psychic
Speaker 1: abilities more in their free time, or just like have
Speaker 1: an easier time navigating their life, Like how what advice
Speaker 1: would you give? Yeah?
Speaker 2: So, well, first I'll just I do. I teach a
Speaker 2: twelve week program called the Attunement where I work with
Speaker 2: people one on one to help them experience their gifts,
Speaker 2: and then they get certified in mediumship, channeling, and animal communication.
Speaker 2: I'm opening it up also to spirit baby, so we
Speaker 2: learn spirit baby communication. So that is like a full
Speaker 2: if you're like ready to go there, you'll learn so
Speaker 2: much information in that three month span.
Speaker 1: Quick question, what like with animal communication, how would you
Speaker 1: like practice that I with animals?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I would even with learning mediumship. Towards the
Speaker 2: last month, I bring people on, so people animals you
Speaker 2: would be reading for other people. At the beginning, we
Speaker 2: start with if you have any animals past or present,
Speaker 2: We'll read my animals, and then I'll start to bring
Speaker 2: on people who have animals that they'd like to be
Speaker 2: read for.
Speaker 1: So, like, is that it's kind of just like you're
Speaker 1: reading animal's mind though? Yeah, so yes.
Speaker 2: The way I like to do it, I can do
Speaker 2: it without seeing a picture of them. All I need
Speaker 2: really is their name, because a name is so specific.
Speaker 2: Oftentimes children choose their names before they come in, but
Speaker 2: pets do as well, and I'll just feel into the
Speaker 2: energy of their name and bring in descriptions of them adjectives,
Speaker 2: and then messages start coming through. Oftentimes people will use photos,
Speaker 2: so you can also use a photo where you can
Speaker 2: see the eyes of the animal. That helps connect you
Speaker 2: to their soul and their presence, their essence. The same
Speaker 2: thing works for mediumship. Again, I only need a name,
Speaker 2: but a lot of people you can use objects because
Speaker 2: past loved ones imprint their energy onto objects. So like
Speaker 2: say your grandmother had a favorite piece of jewelry. If
Speaker 2: you were to pick up that piece of jewelry, it
Speaker 2: would carry a lot of your grandmother's energy, which would
Speaker 2: make it easier to tap into. I don't necessarily need that,
Speaker 2: but there are some mediums who do use that, Okay.
Speaker 1: And then outside of this course, like if someone were
Speaker 1: to do a practice on their everyday life, would you
Speaker 1: also recommend like that object, like holding an object.
Speaker 2: What I would start doing is meditation. So meditation is
Speaker 2: a lowered brainwave state which helps you to regulate the
Speaker 2: nervous system. And in that state, it's actually the same
Speaker 2: state as hypnosis. That's all hypnosis is is a lowered
Speaker 2: brainwave state. We get you into a meditative state, and
Speaker 2: we feed you positive suggestions based off of your vocabulary,
Speaker 2: because your subconscious mind understands your vocabulary, not mine. So
Speaker 2: I'm always writing down the words that you're saying during
Speaker 2: a session. But I would ask them to meditate and
Speaker 2: then start by asking what you can ask how can
Speaker 2: I be of service today? Or what are the steps
Speaker 2: of God today? I believe when we go to sleep
Speaker 2: every night, we go in front of our council, and
Speaker 2: our council preps us on the next twenty four hours
Speaker 2: and gives us tools and kind of talking points for
Speaker 2: what's going to be happening for the next day. So
Speaker 2: when you wake up in the morning, especially as you're
Speaker 2: coming out of sleep, because it's such as you come
Speaker 2: out of sleep and as you go into sleep, it's
Speaker 2: an altered state. I've had so many weird things happen
Speaker 2: as I go slip into state and come out of state,
Speaker 2: like especially beginning to learn mediumship, like I definitely had
Speaker 2: like entities and like darker energies. It doesn't happen anymore,
Speaker 2: but it used to.
Speaker 1: Is there a way to control your dreams and be
Speaker 1: like because I don't know. I just feel like I've
Speaker 1: really random.
Speaker 2: Well, you can start to create lucid dreams, which is
Speaker 2: where you start to realize you're in a dream while
Speaker 2: you're in the dream, which then begins helping you to
Speaker 2: gain control over the dream world and then also in
Speaker 2: waking life in turn, because this is actually just another dream. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, we're going from one dream waking up into another.
Speaker 2: And what is it. I've read Journey of Souls and
Speaker 2: is so good and one of them talked about, Oh,
Speaker 2: we're all just playing roles and that's really all this is.
Speaker 2: But where was I going?
Speaker 1: So many thoughts I had asked you, Like, I guess
Speaker 1: it all comes back to like what exercises? Yeah, could
Speaker 1: people do? Practically?
Speaker 2: I would ask what are the what steps am I
Speaker 2: meant to take today? And then if you're interested in mediumship,
Speaker 2: start developing a relationship with different guides, different angels. So
Speaker 2: for myself, my angel I'm Michelle. Archangel Michael would be
Speaker 2: my namesake, and so I feel his energy around me
Speaker 2: all the time. I would sit and just at the
Speaker 2: beginning start to feel Archangel Michael's energy, which is very
Speaker 2: protective and expansive and big and bold, you could start
Speaker 2: feeling energies first, whereas if you bring in, say an
Speaker 2: ascended master Lakshmi, which is very known for like money.
Speaker 2: Me see, if I feel into Lakshmi's energy, it's like
Speaker 2: a golden prosperous like a star, like there's like hope there,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of hope. I would feel into the Oh,
Speaker 2: there's like a rebirth and almost like a phoenix kind
Speaker 2: of energy rising from the ashes. Very opportunity, like there's
Speaker 2: opportunities at my fingertips. Feeling into that energy, I would
Speaker 2: just start to like embrace her. And then once I
Speaker 2: was embracing that energy of whoever I was calling in,
Speaker 2: I would ask what messages do you have? And trusting
Speaker 2: the subtle impressions that you're receiving. Like my clairvoyance is
Speaker 2: so subtle, like if I I have my eyes closed,
Speaker 2: but if I blinked, I'd miss it, you know, Like
Speaker 2: it's like it's like this little mini Like like the
Speaker 2: other day when I saw a dentist, I was like,
Speaker 2: I feel like I just saw the dentist. What if
Speaker 2: I wasn't paying attention, I would miss the messages because
Speaker 2: they're so subtle. So oftentimes we are receiving messages. You
Speaker 2: might hear it, you might sense it, you might feel it,
Speaker 2: you might know it, you might see it. Some people
Speaker 2: taste it, smell it. Some people can use their hands
Speaker 2: and receive all of the information by shaking someone else's hand. Interesting,
Speaker 2: but yeah, I would practice by calling in an energy,
Speaker 2: getting to know that energy, and creating a relationship with it,
Speaker 2: and then starting to ask it questions. You can also
Speaker 2: do like telepathy games. I'm so bad at these, though,
Speaker 2: so I don't think it's a good hard They're so hard.
Speaker 2: My partner and I'll do it where I'll sit with
Speaker 2: him and will ask what number are you thinking of?
Speaker 2: And he always gets it and I never do, so
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily think that that has to be you know,
Speaker 2: different games will work for different people, But I really
Speaker 2: feel that feeling into something someone's energy, even if your animal.
Speaker 2: Oftentimes it's easier to read for other people's animals because
Speaker 2: your animal is your essence, so it's sometimes hard to
Speaker 2: separate them from you. But if you were to feel
Speaker 2: into someone else's animal, you feel into their animal, their characteristics,
Speaker 2: and then just ask do you have any messages? And
Speaker 2: wait to see what you're sensing. Beginning to trust. Trusting
Speaker 2: yourself is one of the most important keys to intuition.
Speaker 1: What I've found off on exercise is to like ask
Speaker 1: my dad or someone like if they know someone that's died.
Speaker 1: Then I have no idea who this person is, and
Speaker 1: I just write down. I like, ask that person that
Speaker 1: has died, like, do you have a message for my
Speaker 1: dad or whoever's whoever the connection is, And I just
Speaker 1: write down what comes to mind because I don't know
Speaker 1: this person at all, and they have validate it through
Speaker 1: the person that actually knew them.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's a great way to go. Yeah, I did
Speaker 2: that at the beginning. Before I would have sessions for Taro.
Speaker 2: I would just get mediumship stuff like what are the
Speaker 2: messages that they need to receive? And this was out
Speaker 2: without trying. I mean I'd had like intuition, but I
Speaker 2: wasn't certified. But I would write down like a bunch
Speaker 2: of notes and then I'd pop on it and I'd
Speaker 2: read them the notes and they were accurate for the
Speaker 2: person I was reading. So then you begin to trust yourself.
Speaker 2: And if you can start out with trusting yourself, that
Speaker 2: would be ideal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like even for an astrology reading, I'll be like,
Speaker 1: what does this person need to know? And then sometimes
Speaker 1: it doesn't make sense. But after the reading, I go
Speaker 1: back and I'm like, wow, we actually talked about.
Speaker 2: That, Yes, and that's something that I learned. It's not
Speaker 2: your responsibility to judge the information that's coming forward. Now
Speaker 2: I don't share bad information.
Speaker 1: Usually.
Speaker 2: Well, this was really cool. At the very beginning, I
Speaker 2: was giving someone a reading and I was told he
Speaker 2: needed to go to the doctor, and so I didn't
Speaker 2: want to scare him. I didn't want to create any
Speaker 2: kind of fear base, but I was just like, so,
Speaker 2: when's the last time you went to the doctor. And
Speaker 2: I just said, well, I think that maybe getting an
Speaker 2: annual checkup would be great. And I got a message
Speaker 2: back from him and he said he had cancer and
Speaker 2: they caught it early enough that he was free and clear.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I've gotten that for the dentist before one
Speaker 2: of my clients. I was like, you know, you need
Speaker 2: to go the dentist.
Speaker 1: And she went and the.
Speaker 2: Dentist was like, oh, you have the beginning of a cavity.
Speaker 2: How did you even know to come in? And she's like,
Speaker 2: my psychicked on me.
Speaker 1: You're wacky exactly.
Speaker 2: But I think one day, I mean, this will be
Speaker 2: a very accepted modality.
Speaker 1: It's just you know, the beginning of it. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: really hope. So, well, this is amazing talking to you.
Speaker 1: I could hear of all these stories like for so long. Thanks.
Speaker 1: Where can people find you? Michelle?
Speaker 2: So I have my my two companies, Victim to Victor,
Speaker 2: which you can find Michelle Vasil dot com or Mother's
Speaker 2: Intuition dot co. If you're on Instagram, you can either
Speaker 2: find me on Michelle Vasil or Mother's Intuition underscore co.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll put everything in the show notes because it's
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Speaker 2: Yes, if you just look up Michelle Vasil v easy
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Speaker 1: Show you where to go.
Speaker 2: But anyone who lets me know that they came from
Speaker 2: this podcast, I'll give a gifted rate.
Speaker 1: So oh I love that.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, of course, Well, thank you, thank you, Alice.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad we were able to do this. Me too.