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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of Astrology with Alice. I'm

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here with Michelle Vasil who is an LA based psychic medium, hypnotherapist,

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and she also specializes in spirit babies. So we've got

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a lot to cover. We do. Welcome.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's our first time meeting in person, but we've

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been communicating a lot over the last few months, like

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on zoom calls and everything.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like I've known you for a long time.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I love that. Before we get started, what is

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your sun, moon and rising?

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Speaker 2: So overay, So my son is Libra, the rising is Sagittarius,

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and the moon is Leo.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so the moon in the ninth house. I feel

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like with all the kind of spiritual people I've been

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having on here, a lot of people have ninth house

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placements because it is such a like interested in astrology

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or spirituality in general placement.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what makes me feel at home, very comfortable.

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Speaker 1: So it makes sense. Yea. Also, you have your chart

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ruler Jupiter in your seventh house Gemini, and we both

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have that in common. I have the ruling planet on

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my chart of my seventh Yeah, how do you see

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that like our seventh House themes super important.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, relationships. Well, first of all in life, I

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feel like for a lot of people it's like this,

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but for me specifically, like connection is the most important thing.

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The relationships in my life are the reason why I'm alive,

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to strengthen and to just grow deeper connection. But then

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in my work, I have a company called Victim to Victor,

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and I'm often helping people with the relationship with themselves,

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the relationships that they have with their parents, the relationships

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with their loved ones, their friendships. So it makes its

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way into almost every element of my life.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like navigating relationships becomes important in career two. Yeah absolutely.

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Do you find way your chart ruler in the seventh

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that you're often like kind of comparing yourself to other

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people or you need relationships to show you more of

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who you are. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I feel like my friendships, my relationships, they are my

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mirror for the things that I need to work on.

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So when someone is coming into my life with certain

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things and situations get brought up like we are the

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center point. So I know they say it's not all

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about you, but it is a lot of the time

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about you. And the things that are happening around you

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are showing you different aspects of yourself. So with a person,

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you are being beautifully mirrored back your strengths, back your weaknesses,

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the things that you need to work on. Something that

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I think is so interesting is that the things that

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you like in another person are often the things that

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you like in yourself.

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Speaker 1: Or like what you're jealous in another person. It's like, okay,

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I used to have exactly Yes, yeah, I find that's

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a struggle with a son in the seventh house. It's

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like being envious of other people in some ways, but

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then being like, wait, I could do that myself, yes,

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and kind of showing me that.

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Speaker 2: Whenever I notice that envy come up, because I am

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genuinely so happy for the people around me who are

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doing well. But when there is a ping of jealousy,

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I take it as a blessing because I'm like, Okay, well,

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obviously something that they're doing is what I want to

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be doing. I want to be experiencing, and so how

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can I implement more of that in my life? And

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then that jealousy it goes away.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's interesting. I want to start by talking about

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your work as a psychic media. How did you get

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into this because I feel like a lot of people think, Okay,

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that's something you have to be born with and you're

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just naturally psychic from like the day you're born. But

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you mentioned to me on a call that like it

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was something you picked up in your twenties. Do you

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want to elaborate on that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think as a child, I was always

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very interesting.

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Speaker 1: Did in like magic?

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Speaker 2: I practice magic, and I loved like witchcraft, Harry Potter.

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I got lost in those books because I wanted to

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go away and open up those gifts, but I wasn't

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seeing dead people. Yes, yeah, I do. However, now that

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I've learned how to do these things, I do believe

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we all have gifts. We all have our own intuitive

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gifts that are there for us to open up. Should

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that be something that we want to do, And I

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think as human consciousness grows and as we further along

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as society, people will be naturally opening up there. They're

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called clarees, and there's a bunch of different kinds of claares,

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and we all have like maybe one, two, three of

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those clarees that are within ourselves to really fully invest in,

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but really if you practiced any of them.

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Speaker 1: It's like they're tools. You can grow them and learn them.

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Speaker 2: But it wasn't really so I initially I started songwriting.

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I think I it was right before my Saturn return.

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Speaker 1: I were like late twenties. I was.

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Speaker 2: Writing music and there was a yoga studio on the

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corner of my street, and so I would go to

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yoga and then when I was coming home, these songs

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would start pouring into me. And I noticed that my

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songwriting was different before I went to yoga than it

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was after I went to yoga. So I started going

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to yoga before writing sessions because I was like something

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about yoga yoga is opening me up, connecting me to

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something higher. So that was my first experience with channeling,

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because that's really what it is. But then it wasn't

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until I had a friend pass away and I just

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really wanted to talk to him, and I started with

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tarot cards a lot. There was a lot of dream

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work too, like he would visit me in dreams. And

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then in Los Angeles, I fell into a community of

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intuitive people who were practicing their skills, and I got

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a reading with someone who brought in my friend and

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like her whole face changed and like she had his mannerisms,

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and I was like, you have to.

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Speaker 1: Teach me what you're doing. Oh my god.

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Speaker 2: Yes, So then I started opening up Mediumship and that's

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really where my life changed, and I began developing mediumship.

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Speaker 1: What sign is your Saturn in my first Oh so

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this is a first house Saturn return. Yes, and it's

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very arnous. It was like it was so intense. So

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it was really like uncovering like abilities you have within

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yourself or like seeing yourself in a different way.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it was also I separated from a really important relationship.

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I moved from New York to Los Angeles, my friend died,

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I went through alcohol abuse, I couldn't.

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Speaker 1: Find a job.

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Speaker 2: I switched to careers.

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Speaker 1: Like, it was so intense. The first house really covers

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like all of the topics of life, like yeah, huge planets,

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like like Saturn going through the first it's like everything.

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You can expect multiple areas to shift.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I did really feel that it was I often

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so my younger sister and I actually in my before

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my Saturn return, she would come and spend time with

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me and we got very close. And then after my

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we had difficulty during the process, and then afterwards she

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was like, you're like a different person. I don't relate

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to you anymore. And we've figured it out since then. Yeah,

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but it was so interesting because I got that a lot.

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Like that was something that people asked me. They were like,

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you're so different, how did you do it? And it

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was really I processed my trauma, like I processed the

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things that were keeping me rigid and inauthentic. Yeah, and

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then processed through the Saturn return. I would say until

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I mean, it's a lifelong journey right until about thirty

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three thirty four, I would say christ Consciousness year. The

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thirty third year is really when I started being this other,

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like implementing all the things from my Saturn return and

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really being able to walk that path.

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Speaker 1: That's interesting because I'm thirty three right now, and I

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feel like kind of immediately after the saddern Return, like

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thirty thirty one, thirty two, still a little bit uncertain

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or like insecure, and I do feel like in thirty

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three it's like this is who I am. Yeah. So

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maybe if people listening like they're not feeling that exactly

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in the Saturn return, give it a few years.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Well, because you learn all the lessons, but

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usually the Saturn return is so packed with experiences that

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you do need. It's like if you're going to do

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a mushroom or iowasca journey, they say not to do

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them back to back to back to back, because when

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you have one experience with that medicine, you need time

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to process it. I actually feel you need at least

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a year or two to process any individual journey because

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that's how powerful it is. And so if you look

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at the Saturn return as a journey, I need a

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couple of years to process.

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Speaker 1: Everything that happened. Yeah, and you're building up to the

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Saturn square around thirty six yeahes which I just experienced.

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How was that in comparison? So much easier?

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Speaker 2: Okay, oh my god, it's so much easier. Yeah, I

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mean the thirty sixth year for me, it was the

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I was having a nodal return, and I mean I

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met my partner. I'm also a writer and director, So

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a project I was working on we went into production.

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I shifted gears within my company, like so many foundational

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things shifted. It was like my Saturn return in certain ways,

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but so like there was no death, which was not

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gonna win very nice not to experience. And I think

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if I were to experience my Saturn return now nearly

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a decade later, I now have the tools to deal

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with a lot of the stuff that happened. I didn't

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unconscious in a lot of ways. So an unconscious person

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like flailing about trying to deal with these huge life

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topics as opposed to someone like myself now who understands

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grief and knows how the how to integrate those things.

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have a support system of things that I could rely

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on to make sure that I could process.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like the same transit, like you'll get another

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side on return, for instance, but it's not going to

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hit you the same way because you've grown. Yeah, yeah,

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you stumbled into this new interest of like wanting to

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learn how to channel and become more of like I

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don't know, top into your psychic abilities. I guess was

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there like an initial experience where you're like, WHOA, that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well I still have mom. It's like that where

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I read for someone, and like even the other night,

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I was reading for a friend and she was like, well,

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what's my baby's purpose? And the first thing that popped

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in was a dentist. And I was like, Okay, I

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know this is really random, but I'm getting dentist. And

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she was like, oh my god, she has to be joking.

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My family and I were just kidding about the worst

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jobs in the world, and we said a dentist must

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be because we all hate going to them. And so

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I was like, oh, that's so funny because it's such

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a random thing for me to pick up on. But

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it's like little moments like that, but I will say, okay.

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So back in twenty twenty one, I was in tu Loom,

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and Tuloom is this beautiful portal of energy. There's certain cities, towns,

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communities around the world, to Loom being one of them, Sedona,

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oh Hi, Mount Shasta. It's this mass amount of energy

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that's in one place that allow for like supernatural activity.

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So I find when I'm in one of those places,

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it's like I'm closer to a higher power. I'm closer

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to the heavens. And in the morning at our resort,

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you could go and have like a communal breakfast. You

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go sit with other people. And I sat down next

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to this man and with spirits, and we can talk

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about this. I have established very strong boundaries, which has

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helped me implement boundaries in my own life. But I

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have told them like I don't want to see you,

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like in waking life, like I don't want to see you.

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you can come forward, or I'll see like pops of

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color or brushes of light. So when we go and

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sit down, and this was the first time I ever

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felt it like this. It was literally like someone was knocking,

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and I intuitively knew it was his mother because I'm clearvoyant,

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so clear seeing I see things kind of like they're

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Speaker 1: It's very subtle.

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Speaker 2: And then clear cognisance, which is an all knowing, clear knowing.

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his mother. And so we're in the middle of a

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conversation and I just asked, you know, is your mom

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on the other side, and he was like, yeah, she

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passed away, And I was like, I know, this is

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really random, but I'm a medium, and I feel like

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your mom is here. Do you mind if I just

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tap in and get the messages and give them to you?

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messages and then she moves on her own way and

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I come out to him. I'm like, how are you doing?

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beach and I was speaking to my mother and I said,

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I don't feel you around me anymore, Oh my god.

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And he said, I need a sign that you are

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still here. And then literally an hour later, a medium

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sits down next to me and tells me that my

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mother is here. And it was just such a moment

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of like, this is why.

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Speaker 1: I'm doing this. Yeah, like I'm.

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Speaker 2: Connecting again, connecting relationships right, connecting people to each other,

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and it was just such a special, magical moment.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that is so cool. Oh my god. So you

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before we fully get into spear babies, because I want

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to spend any time talking about that niche of yours.

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You balance like mediumship and hypnotherapy with a whole other

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career of screenwriting, like writing and directing short films well.

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Speaker 2: In regular yes, yeah, yeah, so I'm a writer director.

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It started with songwriting, so I grew up in musical theater,

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and hence why I lived in New York for so long.

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I would audition all the time, and I moved to

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LA to write music, and then I ended up in

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the film industry writing music for different projects. And then

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I'm also an actor, so I was like in those projects.

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And back in twenty nineteen, right before the pandemic, I

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was performing at the Troubadour, which is this big theater, famous, famous,

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iconic like the Eagles, Janis Joplin, Aunt John They've all

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played this stage. It's insane. I got very very lucky

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to perform there. And I would do a song and

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then I do stand up, and then I do a

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song and stand up. And so at the very end,

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my music manager came up to me and was like,

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you know that you're writing a musical, right, Like that

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was a musical, and so then the pandemic happened and

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I was like, well, I guess I'm writing a musical.

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So I wrote my first movie musical and then we

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actually one of my clients. The two funnel into each other.

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It's very interesting how spirit works. But my company, I

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often meet the people that I work with in my

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writing directing. So one of my clients was like, I

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came to the Troubadour, saw the show and was like,

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oh sorry, I got to reperform at the Troubadour in

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twenty twenty four and one of my clients came to

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that show and that was where I presented the music

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from the musical, and so she saw that and was like,

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I want to invest in this. Well, this was one

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of your medium clients. Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, she was.

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So with hypnotherapy and mediumship, I have a combined I

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have programs that I do with people, and so she

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was a longtime client that I'd been working with and

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she had fallen in love with the things my creations

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and helped me to springboard into a part of the

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film industry that I hadn't. I didn't know how I

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was going to get there, and God worked it out

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for me and the universe made it all happen. We shot, actually,

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I think tomorrow, we shot my first thing ever a

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year ago. So for twenty six, twenty five was when

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we shot three hundred feet Tall in the Redwood Forest,

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and now that's making its way into festivals and I

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just got hired to work on another short film. But

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the goal of a short film is ultimately to create

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a full feature or a pilot. So it's more so

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like a proof of concept of what it is that

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you are creating. And the way that I have the

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two kind of funneling in is my company. I work

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one on one with people in my creations. In my writing,

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it's meant to be more of like a mass experience

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to help my goals to connect people into deeper parts

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of themselves and to wake themselves up to be as

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conscious as possible and to be as open hearted as possible.

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And so I'm able to do that one on one

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in my company, and then with my musicals, my film,

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my pilots, I open up people's minds on a bigger scale.

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Speaker 1: So the two influence each other in a really possible

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they doo. Do you feel like you could ever choose

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between one or the other or you need kind of

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variety in your career in that way?

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Speaker 2: No, I think ultimately it's hard to say. I think

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the reason why I'm developing mother's intuition with spirit babies

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is because ultimately, as I move into motherhood, that's what

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I want. I've made a promise to children to spirit

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babies that I would help them. So I'll always do that.

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I'll always help the children, but my writing and directing, eventually,

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when that is at a place where it's a little

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bit bigger, I will invest more time in that and

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then have my children and then the children of spirit.

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So I think that's kind of how and Victim to

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Victor my first company, that was more so working with

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people to overcome trauma and victimization. That was really present

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because I was going through that. We do what we

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are experiencing. So I was experiencing overcoming a lot of

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sexual abuse. And as I did that, then this practice

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grew and then I began working with people who were

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overcoming that as well. Now I still operate that, but

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as I move into motherhood over the next few years,

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I will eventually allow that to leave and just more

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so open up mother's intuition to work with spirit babies.

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And then, you know, with kids, I guess it's going

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to be how much.

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Speaker 1: Time do I have, you know, like what do I

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have time for?

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Speaker 2: But ultimately my creations, I mean, I want to put

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them up on Netflix. I want to put the musicals

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up on Broadway immersive experiences like I have huge, big,

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beautiful ideas, and we'll let the universe show me where

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it's all meant to go.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of taking it one stuff at a time. Yeah,

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let's talk about spirit babies.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So this was like something you discovered and became a

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lot more interested in a few years after you got

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into psychic mediumship, right.

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Speaker 2: So actually it happened before. Oh okay, so when I

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was so during the Saturn Return was when my gifts

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were opening. But I don't think I actually got certified

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until I was like thirty one thirty two, so at

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about the age of thirty, So right towards the end

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of the Saturn Return, I went to a breathwork ceremony

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and I had never done breath work, and for anyone

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who hasn't, it's like, it's amazing.

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Speaker 1: It's powerful. I've done it once. I was like, it's

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life changing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it it will take you to higher levels of consciousness,

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like immediately. But I went to a breathwork ceremony and

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you drink CBD as a tea, so it just helps

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the like calm oxidized oxidization that's happening in your body

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and you're breathing in and my hands were like curling

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in because of the kind of breath work that we

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were doing. And I got taken up above clouds. I

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was seeing clouds and then there was this short little

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man and he went like this in his arms, and

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in his arms was a baby boy. And I heard

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my voice go, is that my son? James? And I

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got so tape. I was like what just happened to me?

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And I popped out of it and I was like, WHOA.

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I didn't know I wanted kids. I was so far

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away from a partner and it was just like okay,

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And then I started feeling this child around me, so

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that that was like it started at thirty. And then

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it was when you actually you shared Walter M. Kitchen's

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book Spirit Babies.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Love that book. Anyone else listening needs to read it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think I'd done a couple of readings

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for children before that. But when I read that book,

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I was like, oh, something in my body just clicked,

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like I meant to do this. I meant to help

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these children. And so he offers like a bunch of

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exercises too, So I started doing that to tap into

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my child just to kind of like practice his way

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of doing things, and it became a tool and I

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have a very unique way that I process and use

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my mediumship. But from there, every once in a while

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I would get clients just with Victim to Victor, who

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had children who needed help either conceiving, in pregnancy, they

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were experiencing something, or their kids were earthside and were

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having like allergic reactions or colic or behavioral issues, sibling issues,

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anger issues. So Spirit was bringing me cases where I

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was learning and growing, and then I with the clients

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that I have now, I was like, Okay, would I

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want to be taking this energy into my body when

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I'm pregnant? Would I want to be working on their

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trauma as I'm experiencing something so sacred because I am

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during a session, I'm like taking their energy and cleaning

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it and giving it back.

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Speaker 1: In a way.

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Speaker 2: There's a energetic alignment that's happening, attunement that's happening while

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I'm working on them. And I wasn't sure if I

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wanted to do that when I was pregnant, so I

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asked Spirit, I said, well, what would be the best

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thing for me to do then? And I just heard, well,

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you work with children. So that's when I started to

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open more up to mother's intuition. At the same time

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that you and I started speaking about everything, and you

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were kind of a part of that expansion for myself.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because I think it was on one of my podcasts.

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I was like, oh, yeah, I'm going to try to

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get pregnant soon. And you heard that and you reached

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out to me and you're like, hey, this is so random,

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but do you want a session with me where we

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can tap into the spirit of your future child. Yeah?

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That was so fun.

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Speaker 2: It was I just I felt I was like, ooh,

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that would be a fun thing to do, and I

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was so happy that you were game and our sessions together.

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It just started to I was like, oh, yeah, this

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is because I always say, like, spirit baby readings are

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my favorite readings, And if they're my favorite readings, why

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aren't I doing them more?

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So, now since I've opened this up and you and

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I worked and I I launched the website and I

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started more promoting it to my clients, like I'm working

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with women for preconception, conception, pregnancy, postpartum, both with mediumship

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and hypnotherapy. Just clients have been coming to me, and

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I've been feeling the children kind of like in the ethers,

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orchestrating everything so that I can be their their mouthpiece.

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Speaker 1: That's so cool. I know. My question mainly when I

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came to you was like when will conception work? Like

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when will it happen? Is that mainly why people come

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to you just wanting to know w happen? Or is

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there are there other specific areas people ask about a lot.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, that's one of them, especially if someone

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has been trying for quite some time and they're they're

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not having the success that they would want.

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Speaker 1: I would really like.

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Speaker 2: To work with people before they try IVF. That's something

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that eventually I will align myself with practitioners that before

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they go down that very very expensive, very very challenging

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on the body process that they're tapping into the child first,

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because sometimes it's.

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Speaker 1: Something so simple.

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Speaker 2: So I will get people who come to me that

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are like, we've been trying, is it going to happen?

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Speaker 1: What's going on?

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Speaker 2: And while I am not a I always have to

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preface that I'm not a doctor, so always go and

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seek out medical advice. But oftentimes I will be able

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to pick up on medical issues, or I mean sometimes

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it's as easy as the mother is in a really

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stressful job and the child with like the mother to

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find a way to regulate their nervous system before carrying them. Interesting, Yeah,

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Or they need to be their body physical body isn't

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at the weight it needs to be in order to

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carry the child, or they need to move into some

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other place before carrying. Like a lot of times, those

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are things that'll come up with preconception. I will get

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people that aren't thinking of having a child right now,

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but are interested in expanding that relationship. So like they'll

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women are so intuitive and they'll feel something around themselves,

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00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,000
so I'll go in and find out that and kind

478
00:26:40,039 --> 00:26:42,519
of like flesh out their relationship so that they can

479
00:26:42,559 --> 00:26:46,240
continue growing that after the call. Yeah, and the questions

480
00:26:46,279 --> 00:26:50,400
that I'll ask almost every spirit baby is why are

481
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:54,519
you choosing your parents? What is your life purpose? What

482
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,960
are your life lessons? Oftentimes people want to know have

483
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,880
I had a pass life with them before? And then

484
00:27:02,759 --> 00:27:06,920
parents will have their own questions, So like preconception, I'll

485
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:11,079
get that also people who've experienced miscarriages, asking why the

486
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:16,200
miscarriage happened and wanting to speak to that soul. Often

487
00:27:16,319 --> 00:27:19,839
I feel that that soul has come in more times

488
00:27:19,839 --> 00:27:23,359
than not to clean out the body. So what I've

489
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:27,079
learned from hypnotherapy is that we are programmed by our

490
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,240
main caretakers from the age of zero, when we're in

491
00:27:30,279 --> 00:27:33,799
the womb, all the way until about the age of eight.

492
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,119
So when a child is in the womb, they are

493
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,960
being programmed by their parents. And if the mother has,

494
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:44,119
say she has an abandonment wound, a mother father wound,

495
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,759
a big amount of grief or anger stuck in the body,

496
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,039
the baby may not want to be carried while that

497
00:27:51,279 --> 00:27:54,319
energy is there. So what it will do is it

498
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,799
will work with the mother. It'll come in, it'll miscarry,

499
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,240
which was the entire tension of the child the entire

500
00:28:01,279 --> 00:28:06,759
time to clean the mother out energetically and emotionally, because

501
00:28:07,039 --> 00:28:09,880
sometimes the mother needs an event like that in order

502
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,759
to process the grief or the anger that's been stuck there,

503
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,119
or to go and find the help in order to

504
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,799
do that. So that when that's clear, then the spirit

505
00:28:17,799 --> 00:28:19,960
baby goes Okay, great, now I can I can be

506
00:28:20,039 --> 00:28:21,599
with you now, and then comes back.

507
00:28:22,039 --> 00:28:25,279
Speaker 1: Yeah. That resonates a lot with my own experience. I mean,

508
00:28:25,279 --> 00:28:28,440
I didn't have a miscarriage, but I came to like

509
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,960
we had our first session. It was after the first

510
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,079
time I had tried to conceive, and I since thought

511
00:28:33,079 --> 00:28:34,640
I was getting my period, and I was like really

512
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,599
upset about it, and you tapped into the spirit and

513
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,079
you were like, yeah, you are about to get your period,

514
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,640
Like that's being confirmed, but it's because there's like a

515
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,319
lot of emotion that needs to be released first. And

516
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,519
I didn't know what you meant at the time. And

517
00:28:48,559 --> 00:28:51,440
then I went home to where my mom and my

518
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:55,160
stepdad live in Nashville for Thanksgiving and I had this

519
00:28:55,279 --> 00:28:57,599
like huge moment with my mom where I just let

520
00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,599
out all of the emotions of like why I've been

521
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:03,359
upset with her my entire life. And then the baby

522
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,000
was conceived a week later, so powerful, and you had

523
00:29:06,039 --> 00:29:07,960
predicted You're like, yeah, I think it'll be a positive

524
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:11,240
before Christmas. Yeah, so you were right about both of those.

525
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,519
And it was like I didn't know what that emotion was.

526
00:29:14,559 --> 00:29:16,240
And then I was like, Okay, that makes so much sense.

527
00:29:16,279 --> 00:29:18,640
Why that had to come first, and then I end

528
00:29:18,759 --> 00:29:22,039
up having a daughter because of the I don't know.

529
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,559
I felt like when I first got pregnant. I couldn't

530
00:29:24,599 --> 00:29:28,200
have a daughter because I don't know what it's like

531
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,079
to have a good mother daughter relationship. You will know,

532
00:29:31,599 --> 00:29:34,640
I know. So I was like the whole time, the

533
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,759
first three months of pregnancy, before I found out the gender,

534
00:29:36,799 --> 00:29:39,000
I was like, it's a boy, it's a boy. And

535
00:29:39,039 --> 00:29:41,960
then I was shocked, Yeah it was a girl. Yeah,

536
00:29:42,039 --> 00:29:44,720
I mean I thought it was what you do too.

537
00:29:45,119 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm very rarely wrong, but I have been twice.

538
00:29:49,799 --> 00:29:52,960
I've been wrong twice with gender. And in this case,

539
00:29:53,039 --> 00:29:56,079
when I tapped into her, she was like, well, I

540
00:29:56,079 --> 00:29:59,799
wanted my mom to be surprised, which was just so sweet.

541
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,519
So she kept it a secret, little trickster.

542
00:30:02,799 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 1: So there's some stuff they won't let you in on

543
00:30:04,759 --> 00:30:07,400
because they want it the parent, just to that intimacy.

544
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:11,319
Speaker 2: I mean, that's mediumship in general. Sometimes when I'm receiving information,

545
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,240
I'll get like an X or like a lock like

546
00:30:15,359 --> 00:30:17,119
I'm not meant to know that, or I just won't

547
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,759
receive any information. And when I was younger and a

548
00:30:20,759 --> 00:30:23,240
little bit more inexperienced, I took that as a slight.

549
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,400
I was like, oh no, I'm not talented enough to

550
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:29,160
get that information. And as I've grown, and it's happened

551
00:30:30,119 --> 00:30:32,640
multiple times. I mean, it doesn't happen frequently, but there

552
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,519
are some areas we're not meant to know everything. Yeah,

553
00:30:35,559 --> 00:30:40,359
you know, like my intention is to give loving guidance

554
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,880
and advice to align you with your greatest possibility for

555
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,559
this lifetime. So I'm going to give you that information.

556
00:30:47,599 --> 00:30:50,640
But if something you're asking for is going to hinder that,

557
00:30:51,279 --> 00:30:52,759
then we're not going to get that information.

558
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,279
Speaker 1: Yeah. Like I tried to ask you. I get so

559
00:30:55,359 --> 00:30:57,680
fixated all my career and I was like, what's my

560
00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,319
next book going to be about? And you were like,

561
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:05,039
they literally tell me, like figure it out? Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah,

562
00:31:05,039 --> 00:31:08,519
how's that going. It's not going yet. I feel like

563
00:31:08,559 --> 00:31:11,359
the baby's the first mission here and then other stuff

564
00:31:11,359 --> 00:31:14,200
will happen. Yeah. I wanted to ask you more questions

565
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,359
about spirit babies. I'm trying to think of a good one.

566
00:31:17,559 --> 00:31:19,359
I don't know. I know you can't get into like

567
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:23,079
exact specifics around clients because that information is super private.

568
00:31:23,839 --> 00:31:27,920
But have there been like cool instances in readings? I

569
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:28,319
don't know.

570
00:31:28,519 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 2: I mean, yes, there have been very magical moments. Uh,

571
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,920
So let's see, let's give general because I don't want to. Yeah,

572
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:41,440
every client is so personal. I was working with someone

573
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:47,839
their child is earth bound and a toddler and was

574
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:51,720
having some difficulty at school, and so I just went

575
00:31:51,799 --> 00:31:56,480
in and we felt into their future timelines because this

576
00:31:56,599 --> 00:31:59,920
mother was just worried how life was going to go

577
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,880
for their baby and was worried that there was a

578
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,880
harder path set out for them and wanted to know

579
00:32:06,079 --> 00:32:10,079
loving guidance and advice in order to help these behavioral

580
00:32:10,119 --> 00:32:13,720
issues that could have potentially helped the child back. And

581
00:32:13,799 --> 00:32:16,279
I was able to give a lot of reassurance to

582
00:32:16,319 --> 00:32:20,559
the mother. And then also I saw this child flourishing,

583
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:24,200
so that was beautiful, and the mother contacted me, and

584
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,519
the child has made like a one to eighty turn

585
00:32:26,759 --> 00:32:31,240
and is flourishing, and those behavioral issues have shifted and

586
00:32:31,279 --> 00:32:35,319
transitioned with time. I had seen that there was the

587
00:32:35,359 --> 00:32:39,960
possibility of within a couple months time that there was

588
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,400
going to be a big realization that they were going

589
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,200
to have that was going to help shift. The child

590
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,440
was having a hard time talking, and so something big

591
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,720
shifted for them at the time that I had said,

592
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,720
and then everything kind of fell into place.

593
00:32:54,039 --> 00:32:58,279
Speaker 1: Oh that's so cool. Yeah, when you tap into like

594
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:02,079
a sphere of baby that hasn't been conceived yet. How

595
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,759
is like a spear baby's consciousness felt differently than if

596
00:33:05,759 --> 00:33:07,720
you were to tap into like a baby that's already

597
00:33:07,759 --> 00:33:08,240
been born.

598
00:33:08,519 --> 00:33:12,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's such an interesting question. So we live in

599
00:33:12,359 --> 00:33:15,119
a multi dimensional world, right, So if I were to

600
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:20,200
tap into you, I could tap into your human. I

601
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,839
could tap into your higher self. I could tap into

602
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,240
your human as an adult. I could tap into them

603
00:33:26,319 --> 00:33:28,880
as a grandmother, I could tap into them as a child.

604
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:33,079
And so we have the ability to do that with anyone.

605
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,160
So when I'm speaking to people on the other side,

606
00:33:36,839 --> 00:33:38,839
sometimes I'm talking to their very human.

607
00:33:39,279 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 1: Like my.

608
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,519
Speaker 2: A very cool experience that happened was sometimes I'll have

609
00:33:44,799 --> 00:33:49,279
mediumship dreams and they're just different than other kinds of dreams.

610
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,440
And it was right before I woke up, and I

611
00:33:52,559 --> 00:33:54,920
was in a white room and my mother came in

612
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,720
looking exactly as she looks, and there was like this

613
00:33:57,799 --> 00:34:01,000
really young man beside her, very looking young man, and

614
00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:03,319
he was just kind of like standing there, and my

615
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,400
mother gestured to him, rolled her eyes and went, this.

616
00:34:06,319 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: Is your papa.

617
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,159
Speaker 2: And then I woke up and my mom looked so

618
00:34:11,199 --> 00:34:14,000
annoyed because my grandfather had decided to show up as

619
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:18,480
a twenty year old good looking man, and he actually

620
00:34:19,119 --> 00:34:23,320
then was around me in order he kept nudging me.

621
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,760
He told me a family secret that I won't share here,

622
00:34:27,559 --> 00:34:30,880
but like very scandalous, okay. And I went to my

623
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:32,199
mother and I was like, do you think that this

624
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,280
is true? And she was like, I've always thought that

625
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:38,039
that might be true. And then I spoke with him

626
00:34:38,039 --> 00:34:39,440
and he was like, we need to help your mother

627
00:34:39,559 --> 00:34:42,840
process her anger. And so I worked with my mom

628
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,719
to process her anger. And then my papa went away,

629
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,159
so his spirit was able to come to me as

630
00:34:49,159 --> 00:34:52,119
a twenty year old. I could speak to him his

631
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,000
higher self or an expanded like my friend that passed

632
00:34:55,039 --> 00:34:57,480
away that got me into mediumship. When I feel into

633
00:34:57,519 --> 00:35:00,440
his energy, he feels non physical and very big, like

634
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:05,760
this big floating energy. Now with children I have spoken

635
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,559
to like my son, I've spoken to him as he's

636
00:35:08,599 --> 00:35:11,960
come to me as like a thirty year old. I'll

637
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,119
get messages from him as a four year old. And

638
00:35:15,119 --> 00:35:18,199
when you're receiving messages. I find this with animals. If

639
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,559
you ask a dog questions, they're going to give you

640
00:35:20,599 --> 00:35:24,519
dog answers. So when you're asking a child questions, they're

641
00:35:24,519 --> 00:35:27,440
going to give you child like answers. But I can

642
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,760
also go, Okay, thank you so much. I'm going to

643
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:33,519
tap into your higher self, right, the over soul to

644
00:35:33,559 --> 00:35:37,719
get the information that I actually need. So really anything

645
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,800
is possible, and I can talk to whoever. And when

646
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,719
speaking even to animals, I'll speak to the dog or

647
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,199
the cat, and then I'll speak to their higher self,

648
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,400
or even speak to your higher self, because the animal

649
00:35:49,519 --> 00:35:50,719
is an extension of you.

650
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, you did my cat, which he was super sick.

651
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:58,519
Cool and it helps. How How is he's a lot

652
00:35:58,599 --> 00:36:02,000
better now? He's completely normal? Well, okay, there was one

653
00:36:02,039 --> 00:36:03,920
thing I want to Oh yeah, so I'm in the

654
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,280
second trauma. So right now, is there like a moment

655
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,519
when you feel like the soul or like the spirit

656
00:36:08,559 --> 00:36:11,800
of a baby like in our Oh yes, yeah, for birth? Yes.

657
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:17,639
Speaker 2: So it's been my understanding that the child is in

658
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:21,599
and out of the mother's womb of the physical body

659
00:36:22,159 --> 00:36:26,519
up until about the age five months in utero to

660
00:36:26,639 --> 00:36:29,280
seven months in utero. At about that time, I even

661
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,559
noticed a shift in consciousness. When I'm speaking to them,

662
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:38,239
they'll be much more expanded and almost like like they're

663
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,800
aware of what their life's going to look like and

664
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:45,400
their past lives and just that more expanded POV. And

665
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,159
then at about five to seven months, I'll feel in

666
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:52,000
and it's like very much an infant and they have decided, Okay,

667
00:36:52,159 --> 00:36:54,679
I'm going to settle in here and be present and

668
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:56,239
this is my life now, and this is what I'm

669
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,400
committing to. And so there is that shift at about

670
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:03,159
five to seven months where the child will go all right,

671
00:37:03,559 --> 00:37:05,639
I'm the infant, peace out.

672
00:37:06,679 --> 00:37:08,599
Speaker 1: I think you said I hadn't gotten there quite yet,

673
00:37:08,599 --> 00:37:11,679
but it was like coming soon, like by June or something. Yeah,

674
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,320
coming soon. We'll have to reconnect and see how like, yeah,

675
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,239
the message you're getting is completely different at that point.

676
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:22,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, the whole process with working with children is so wonderful.

677
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:26,280
And oh you had asked people coming to me when

678
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:31,000
they're in pregnancy. I've gotten people who are asking questions

679
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,840
about the actual birth itself, like will I be able

680
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:35,800
to have a vaginal birth, will it need to be

681
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:36,480
a C section?

682
00:37:36,639 --> 00:37:37,679
Speaker 1: Will I be induced?

683
00:37:39,079 --> 00:37:41,199
Speaker 2: I often get what sign are they going to be?

684
00:37:42,519 --> 00:37:45,239
And then with human design, I'll also get like what

685
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:50,960
human design are they? Then if there's anything health wise

686
00:37:51,039 --> 00:37:54,719
going on with the mother during pregnancy, I can discuss that,

687
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:59,679
and then once their earth side, if there's any allergies.

688
00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:04,840
Often get asked about allergies, behavioral issues.

689
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 1: Collic.

690
00:38:06,679 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 2: Sometimes I also play the Alchemy Crystal singing bulls and

691
00:38:10,159 --> 00:38:14,880
I sing with them. So with collic, it's usually something energetic.

692
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:19,119
They're just very sensitive to their experience. So I will

693
00:38:19,159 --> 00:38:22,159
go in and speak to the child and help them

694
00:38:22,199 --> 00:38:25,519
to turn down their sensitivity and teach them how to

695
00:38:25,639 --> 00:38:29,159
turn it back up. I use my bulls to help

696
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:29,920
the child there.

697
00:38:30,039 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 1: That's so cool.

698
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, just helping them energetically to because if we're going

699
00:38:34,039 --> 00:38:36,119
to turn down their sensitivity while they grow, I want

700
00:38:36,159 --> 00:38:38,280
them to be able to gradually turn it back up.

701
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:42,840
But I know my sister, her baby, my first niece,

702
00:38:43,559 --> 00:38:48,360
was colic, and I tapped into her and I worked

703
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,119
with her and told her how to showed her how

704
00:38:51,119 --> 00:38:53,719
to turn down that sensitivity. A week later, the collic stopped.

705
00:38:54,679 --> 00:38:57,360
So yeah, so there's a process too. When you work

706
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,320
on something energetically, it usually takes a beat before shows

707
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,119
up physically in the physical realm.

708
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 1: Okay, do you find that you mentioned this brievially the

709
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,920
topic of past lives and children having past lives with

710
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,360
their parents. Do you feel like that's often the case? Yes, yeah,

711
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,519
like always the case or often.

712
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 2: Sometimes it can be like a newbie, but more often

713
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:19,840
than not, we travel in the same soul groups. Ye,

714
00:39:20,119 --> 00:39:25,079
so our parents are a child will choose their parents

715
00:39:25,119 --> 00:39:29,199
based off of what the actual connection is in past lives,

716
00:39:29,199 --> 00:39:32,039
but then also what the parent can offer, like what

717
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:36,880
lessons the parent will implement for the child. So that

718
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:41,119
relationship is just so important and informative because the parents

719
00:39:41,559 --> 00:39:46,840
are who are sculpting the child's subconscious mind and the

720
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:50,559
subconscious mind those belief systems that are implemented from zero

721
00:39:50,599 --> 00:39:53,159
to eight are what we live the rest of our

722
00:39:53,199 --> 00:39:58,400
life by. So that role is so important because it

723
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:04,039
creates the belief systems we live we live by. So yes,

724
00:40:04,159 --> 00:40:07,559
oftentimes they're in the same soul group, so they've played

725
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:08,639
different roles.

726
00:40:09,079 --> 00:40:11,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like for instance, like in a past life, maybe

727
00:40:11,159 --> 00:40:13,000
the baby coming to you in this life used to

728
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,840
be your parents or like your siblings. Yes, very much

729
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:16,480
so crazy.

730
00:40:17,199 --> 00:40:19,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, we haven't asked your little one about that, we know.

731
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:21,679
Speaker 1: I get some point as I was asking these questions,

732
00:40:21,679 --> 00:40:23,079
I was like, I don't, Yeah, I know the answer.

733
00:40:23,159 --> 00:40:25,320
You should do that. The next session will do it. Yeah.

734
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,960
I want to also touch upon your work as a hypnotherapist,

735
00:40:28,079 --> 00:40:30,000
because we did a little bit of that too, and

736
00:40:30,039 --> 00:40:33,239
that was so helpful, Like you helped me. I never

737
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,280
had this happen before. Like we went back in my

738
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,559
life and I could see I was like in my

739
00:40:37,599 --> 00:40:40,159
body at thirty days old, and I could like, since

740
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:44,760
my mother's and my parents' energy, yes, what like how

741
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,719
do you implement that into your work to use that

742
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:50,320
as a helpful like supplement to spirit babies, mediumship or

743
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:51,360
is that something stuff up?

744
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 2: It's separate but all included. I'm so grateful that I

745
00:40:55,360 --> 00:41:01,719
found hypnotherapy because man, I did years of therapy, and

746
00:41:02,039 --> 00:41:07,280
within six months of hypnotherapy, things had just turned around. Because,

747
00:41:07,519 --> 00:41:10,079
like I said, from zero to eight, we're creating our

748
00:41:10,159 --> 00:41:13,920
belief system, and in talk therapy we become conscious of

749
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,840
the patterns, We become conscious of the things that we're doing.

750
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,840
But then each time we come up to that decision,

751
00:41:20,079 --> 00:41:22,719
we have to consciously make a different decision, make a

752
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,480
different decision, make a different decision, and eventually, if you've

753
00:41:25,519 --> 00:41:29,360
made that decision enough times consciously, a new neural pathway forms.

754
00:41:29,679 --> 00:41:33,679
With hypnotherapy, the neural pathway automatically forms. You just make

755
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,119
the new decision. You don't even realize, you don't come

756
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,440
up to it, you just make it because the pathway

757
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:43,360
has been formed. So with hypnotherapy, I've also learned neural

758
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,199
linguistic programming. And what you were talking about where you

759
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,519
went back to thirty days old is mental and emotional

760
00:41:48,559 --> 00:41:53,639
release therapy. So our bodies are these advanced technologies, and

761
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,719
when we are younger, we don't know how to process

762
00:41:56,719 --> 00:42:02,400
big emotions. So if we're experiencing some kind of grief, sadness, anger, guilt, disappointment,

763
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,519
our body goes, this is too big for you. I'll

764
00:42:05,519 --> 00:42:07,960
hold on to it until you're older. And so it

765
00:42:08,039 --> 00:42:10,119
holds on to it and it shows up for you

766
00:42:10,159 --> 00:42:12,400
again and again, which is oftentimes it's like, oh, why

767
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,360
does this keep happening to me? It's because the body's like,

768
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:18,440
because you need to release me. So what I do

769
00:42:18,679 --> 00:42:20,639
is I take people back to the moment, whether in

770
00:42:20,639 --> 00:42:23,079
a past life in the womb or in early childhood

771
00:42:23,199 --> 00:42:28,559
where this big emotion was rooted. We learn about it

772
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,400
and we process it and then it no longer needs

773
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:32,880
to show up anymore in your life.

774
00:42:33,159 --> 00:42:34,800
Speaker 1: Yeah. Like, we also went back to when I was

775
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,000
two years old, and it was just so interesting to

776
00:42:37,079 --> 00:42:40,599
see a memory from like now, my consciousness is like

777
00:42:40,599 --> 00:42:43,280
a thirty three year old yeah, and I could just

778
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:47,000
it was almost like rewriting a narrative that was established

779
00:42:47,039 --> 00:42:50,199
at that time, like, oh, it's really not about me. Yeah,

780
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:52,400
Like that hurt that I felt at two years old

781
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,039
had nothing to do with me. So then I after

782
00:42:55,119 --> 00:42:57,880
hypnosis in my adult body, now I don't know, it

783
00:42:57,880 --> 00:42:59,800
doesn't like linger or like as much.

784
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Like for example, with myself, my father he was

785
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,960
building a company when I was younger, and so he

786
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,559
would often leave in the morning before I got up,

787
00:43:11,679 --> 00:43:13,559
and he would come home after I'd gone to bed,

788
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,480
and on Sundays sometimes he'd have to go to work.

789
00:43:16,679 --> 00:43:19,920
And so I had this sadness in this abandonment that

790
00:43:20,079 --> 00:43:23,480
was showing up. My dad was never abandoning me, but

791
00:43:23,559 --> 00:43:26,599
that's how I processed it as a baby. So when

792
00:43:26,639 --> 00:43:29,239
I went back, I was like, oh, no, he was

793
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,480
providing for the family. He was showing up by going

794
00:43:32,519 --> 00:43:35,559
to work. And so once I learned that I met

795
00:43:35,599 --> 00:43:38,360
my partner, like two weeks later because it was preventing

796
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:42,880
me from me I was like avoidance, narcissists, abusive relationships,

797
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,079
and I was able to pinpoint it back to when

798
00:43:46,159 --> 00:43:48,480
I was before the age of one, when my dad

799
00:43:48,519 --> 00:43:51,920
was building this company, and this wound grew and grew

800
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:56,000
and grew, and as soon as I processed and was like, oh,

801
00:43:56,039 --> 00:43:57,719
this had nothing to do with me and my dad

802
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:01,840
always loved me, Yeah, it just it went away. And

803
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,039
then my amazing partner came in.

804
00:44:04,199 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 1: With people you do hypnotherapy with, do you also get

805
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,400
the same response, like this problem I've been having my

806
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,320
whole life just went away. Yeah.

807
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. And the reason why I even went into ypnotherapy

808
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:17,639
is because with Mediumship, I was starting to see people's trauma,

809
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,920
Like I was seeing patterns that they were experiencing over

810
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,840
and over again, and then I would energetically lift it

811
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,960
off of them with a sound bath, but the issue

812
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,239
would return like three or four months later. And so

813
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,119
I spoke to a mentor of mine and I was like,

814
00:44:31,119 --> 00:44:33,639
why is this happening? Why isn't it permanently going away?

815
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,199
And she said, it's because you're not creating a new

816
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:41,000
neural pathway. You're just releasing the energy, but then because

817
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:44,719
they're still implementing that behavior, it comes back. So then

818
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:48,079
I went to school for hypnotherapy, a year long program

819
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:52,079
at Hypnosis Motivation Institute, and I learned all of these

820
00:44:52,079 --> 00:44:56,599
things that I am certified in to help people to

821
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:01,320
process long term, it's just finished and done with.

822
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: This also goes back to just your Moon in the

823
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,280
Ninth House's love of learning, but also like when I'm

824
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:12,079
sad too, love teaching. But also just like with the

825
00:45:12,079 --> 00:45:14,119
Moon in the Ninth House, it's like you're dealing with

826
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:17,119
emotional stuff that you're learning and teaching about.

827
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,079
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, very much. I work with people who have

828
00:45:20,199 --> 00:45:25,880
experienced really painful trauma, and I'm so grateful that they're

829
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:29,599
able to trust me. I also I used to say,

830
00:45:29,679 --> 00:45:32,199
I'm so lucky to have been through so many terrible

831
00:45:32,199 --> 00:45:36,199
things because it gave me the ability to release any

832
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,320
kind of judgment. Like when someone comes to I'm like,

833
00:45:38,559 --> 00:45:41,239
I've dipped my toe in that, I totally got you.

834
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, you need those experiences to have wisdom on those Yes. Yeah,

835
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,760
for anyone that's like wanting to tap into their psychic

836
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,480
abilities more in their free time, or just like have

837
00:45:52,559 --> 00:45:56,039
an easier time navigating their life, Like how what advice

838
00:45:56,079 --> 00:45:57,599
would you give? Yeah?

839
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:02,679
Speaker 2: So, well, first I'll just I do. I teach a

840
00:46:02,679 --> 00:46:04,920
twelve week program called the Attunement where I work with

841
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,239
people one on one to help them experience their gifts,

842
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:13,360
and then they get certified in mediumship, channeling, and animal communication.

843
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,840
I'm opening it up also to spirit baby, so we

844
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:20,400
learn spirit baby communication. So that is like a full

845
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,599
if you're like ready to go there, you'll learn so

846
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:25,519
much information in that three month span.

847
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:29,119
Speaker 1: Quick question, what like with animal communication, how would you

848
00:46:29,119 --> 00:46:32,119
like practice that I with animals?

849
00:46:32,199 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I would even with learning mediumship. Towards the

850
00:46:37,599 --> 00:46:42,559
last month, I bring people on, so people animals you

851
00:46:42,599 --> 00:46:45,679
would be reading for other people. At the beginning, we

852
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:49,280
start with if you have any animals past or present,

853
00:46:50,119 --> 00:46:52,960
We'll read my animals, and then I'll start to bring

854
00:46:53,119 --> 00:46:56,159
on people who have animals that they'd like to be

855
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:56,679
read for.

856
00:46:57,079 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 1: So, like, is that it's kind of just like you're

857
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:03,000
reading animal's mind though? Yeah, so yes.

858
00:47:03,639 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 2: The way I like to do it, I can do

859
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,199
it without seeing a picture of them. All I need

860
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,039
really is their name, because a name is so specific.

861
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:13,559
Oftentimes children choose their names before they come in, but

862
00:47:13,599 --> 00:47:17,039
pets do as well, and I'll just feel into the

863
00:47:17,159 --> 00:47:23,000
energy of their name and bring in descriptions of them adjectives,

864
00:47:23,159 --> 00:47:30,039
and then messages start coming through. Oftentimes people will use photos,

865
00:47:30,039 --> 00:47:32,000
so you can also use a photo where you can

866
00:47:32,039 --> 00:47:34,679
see the eyes of the animal. That helps connect you

867
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:38,880
to their soul and their presence, their essence. The same

868
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:42,000
thing works for mediumship. Again, I only need a name,

869
00:47:42,559 --> 00:47:46,480
but a lot of people you can use objects because

870
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:51,480
past loved ones imprint their energy onto objects. So like

871
00:47:51,519 --> 00:47:53,800
say your grandmother had a favorite piece of jewelry. If

872
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:55,280
you were to pick up that piece of jewelry, it

873
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,719
would carry a lot of your grandmother's energy, which would

874
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:02,000
make it easier to tap into. I don't necessarily need that,

875
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:05,159
but there are some mediums who do use that, Okay.

876
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,519
Speaker 1: And then outside of this course, like if someone were

877
00:48:07,559 --> 00:48:09,559
to do a practice on their everyday life, would you

878
00:48:09,599 --> 00:48:12,719
also recommend like that object, like holding an object.

879
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 2: What I would start doing is meditation. So meditation is

880
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,679
a lowered brainwave state which helps you to regulate the

881
00:48:22,679 --> 00:48:25,639
nervous system. And in that state, it's actually the same

882
00:48:25,639 --> 00:48:28,039
state as hypnosis. That's all hypnosis is is a lowered

883
00:48:28,079 --> 00:48:31,960
brainwave state. We get you into a meditative state, and

884
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:36,800
we feed you positive suggestions based off of your vocabulary,

885
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:41,119
because your subconscious mind understands your vocabulary, not mine. So

886
00:48:41,119 --> 00:48:43,400
I'm always writing down the words that you're saying during

887
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:47,519
a session. But I would ask them to meditate and

888
00:48:47,599 --> 00:48:53,199
then start by asking what you can ask how can

889
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:56,719
I be of service today? Or what are the steps

890
00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:00,199
of God today? I believe when we go to sleep

891
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:04,079
every night, we go in front of our council, and

892
00:49:04,159 --> 00:49:06,639
our council preps us on the next twenty four hours

893
00:49:07,119 --> 00:49:09,480
and gives us tools and kind of talking points for

894
00:49:09,559 --> 00:49:12,320
what's going to be happening for the next day. So

895
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:14,800
when you wake up in the morning, especially as you're

896
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,280
coming out of sleep, because it's such as you come

897
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:19,159
out of sleep and as you go into sleep, it's

898
00:49:19,159 --> 00:49:21,920
an altered state. I've had so many weird things happen

899
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:24,320
as I go slip into state and come out of state,

900
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:29,599
like especially beginning to learn mediumship, like I definitely had

901
00:49:29,599 --> 00:49:33,079
like entities and like darker energies. It doesn't happen anymore,

902
00:49:33,119 --> 00:49:34,119
but it used to.

903
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,119
Speaker 1: Is there a way to control your dreams and be

904
00:49:37,199 --> 00:49:38,800
like because I don't know. I just feel like I've

905
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:39,559
really random.

906
00:49:40,039 --> 00:49:43,519
Speaker 2: Well, you can start to create lucid dreams, which is

907
00:49:43,559 --> 00:49:46,599
where you start to realize you're in a dream while

908
00:49:46,639 --> 00:49:49,840
you're in the dream, which then begins helping you to

909
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:53,519
gain control over the dream world and then also in

910
00:49:53,559 --> 00:49:57,840
waking life in turn, because this is actually just another dream. Yeah,

911
00:49:58,039 --> 00:50:00,760
you know, we're going from one dream waking up into another.

912
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:08,079
And what is it. I've read Journey of Souls and

913
00:50:09,639 --> 00:50:12,199
is so good and one of them talked about, Oh,

914
00:50:12,199 --> 00:50:16,840
we're all just playing roles and that's really all this is.

915
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,719
But where was I going?

916
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:24,199
Speaker 1: So many thoughts I had asked you, Like, I guess

917
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:27,239
it all comes back to like what exercises? Yeah, could

918
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:28,280
people do? Practically?

919
00:50:28,679 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 2: I would ask what are the what steps am I

920
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:37,880
meant to take today? And then if you're interested in mediumship,

921
00:50:38,679 --> 00:50:42,920
start developing a relationship with different guides, different angels. So

922
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:47,719
for myself, my angel I'm Michelle. Archangel Michael would be

923
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:50,559
my namesake, and so I feel his energy around me

924
00:50:50,599 --> 00:50:52,239
all the time. I would sit and just at the

925
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:55,679
beginning start to feel Archangel Michael's energy, which is very

926
00:50:55,719 --> 00:51:01,639
protective and expansive and big and bold, you could start

927
00:51:01,679 --> 00:51:04,880
feeling energies first, whereas if you bring in, say an

928
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:10,360
ascended master Lakshmi, which is very known for like money.

929
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:12,960
Me see, if I feel into Lakshmi's energy, it's like

930
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:18,719
a golden prosperous like a star, like there's like hope there,

931
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:23,320
there's a lot of hope. I would feel into the Oh,

932
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:26,039
there's like a rebirth and almost like a phoenix kind

933
00:51:26,079 --> 00:51:30,960
of energy rising from the ashes. Very opportunity, like there's

934
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:34,199
opportunities at my fingertips. Feeling into that energy, I would

935
00:51:34,199 --> 00:51:37,559
just start to like embrace her. And then once I

936
00:51:37,679 --> 00:51:40,880
was embracing that energy of whoever I was calling in,

937
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,760
I would ask what messages do you have? And trusting

938
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:47,159
the subtle impressions that you're receiving. Like my clairvoyance is

939
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:50,320
so subtle, like if I I have my eyes closed,

940
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,039
but if I blinked, I'd miss it, you know, Like

941
00:51:52,079 --> 00:51:55,960
it's like it's like this little mini Like like the

942
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:58,000
other day when I saw a dentist, I was like,

943
00:51:58,119 --> 00:52:00,719
I feel like I just saw the dentist. What if

944
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,119
I wasn't paying attention, I would miss the messages because

945
00:52:03,119 --> 00:52:07,360
they're so subtle. So oftentimes we are receiving messages. You

946
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:11,119
might hear it, you might sense it, you might feel it,

947
00:52:11,199 --> 00:52:15,079
you might know it, you might see it. Some people

948
00:52:15,159 --> 00:52:18,920
taste it, smell it. Some people can use their hands

949
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:23,159
and receive all of the information by shaking someone else's hand. Interesting,

950
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but yeah, I would practice by calling in an energy,

951
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getting to know that energy, and creating a relationship with it,

952
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and then starting to ask it questions. You can also

953
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do like telepathy games. I'm so bad at these, though,

954
00:52:36,679 --> 00:52:39,159
so I don't think it's a good hard They're so hard.

955
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:41,400
My partner and I'll do it where I'll sit with

956
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him and will ask what number are you thinking of?

957
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:48,440
And he always gets it and I never do, so

958
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I don't necessarily think that that has to be you know,

959
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:56,000
different games will work for different people, But I really

960
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feel that feeling into something someone's energy, even if your animal.

961
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Oftentimes it's easier to read for other people's animals because

962
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your animal is your essence, so it's sometimes hard to

963
00:53:07,639 --> 00:53:10,800
separate them from you. But if you were to feel

964
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:14,639
into someone else's animal, you feel into their animal, their characteristics,

965
00:53:14,679 --> 00:53:16,800
and then just ask do you have any messages? And

966
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wait to see what you're sensing. Beginning to trust. Trusting

967
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yourself is one of the most important keys to intuition.

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Speaker 1: What I've found off on exercise is to like ask

969
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:30,760
my dad or someone like if they know someone that's died.

970
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,599
Then I have no idea who this person is, and

971
00:53:33,639 --> 00:53:36,480
I just write down. I like, ask that person that

972
00:53:36,519 --> 00:53:38,280
has died, like, do you have a message for my

973
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,280
dad or whoever's whoever the connection is, And I just

974
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:44,159
write down what comes to mind because I don't know

975
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this person at all, and they have validate it through

976
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:48,199
the person that actually knew them.

977
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Speaker 2: Yes, that's a great way to go. Yeah, I did

978
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:54,440
that at the beginning. Before I would have sessions for Taro.

979
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,480
I would just get mediumship stuff like what are the

980
00:53:57,519 --> 00:53:59,480
messages that they need to receive? And this was out

981
00:53:59,519 --> 00:54:03,000
without trying. I mean I'd had like intuition, but I

982
00:54:03,039 --> 00:54:06,639
wasn't certified. But I would write down like a bunch

983
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of notes and then I'd pop on it and I'd

984
00:54:08,159 --> 00:54:10,800
read them the notes and they were accurate for the

985
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:15,360
person I was reading. So then you begin to trust yourself.

986
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And if you can start out with trusting yourself, that

987
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would be ideal.

988
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like even for an astrology reading, I'll be like,

989
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:23,880
what does this person need to know? And then sometimes

990
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:25,639
it doesn't make sense. But after the reading, I go

991
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:27,920
back and I'm like, wow, we actually talked about.

992
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:30,280
Speaker 2: That, Yes, and that's something that I learned. It's not

993
00:54:30,519 --> 00:54:35,039
your responsibility to judge the information that's coming forward. Now

994
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I don't share bad information.

995
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Speaker 1: Usually.

996
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Speaker 2: Well, this was really cool. At the very beginning, I

997
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:44,480
was giving someone a reading and I was told he

998
00:54:44,559 --> 00:54:47,360
needed to go to the doctor, and so I didn't

999
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:49,000
want to scare him. I didn't want to create any

1000
00:54:49,079 --> 00:54:50,599
kind of fear base, but I was just like, so,

1001
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:53,599
when's the last time you went to the doctor. And

1002
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:56,760
I just said, well, I think that maybe getting an

1003
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annual checkup would be great. And I got a message

1004
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:02,400
back from him and he said he had cancer and

1005
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:05,360
they caught it early enough that he was free and clear.

1006
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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.

1007
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:10,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I've gotten that for the dentist before one

1008
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of my clients. I was like, you know, you need

1009
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to go the dentist.

1010
00:55:12,679 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 1: And she went and the.

1011
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:18,599
Speaker 2: Dentist was like, oh, you have the beginning of a cavity.

1012
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,480
How did you even know to come in? And she's like,

1013
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my psychicked on me.

1014
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Speaker 1: You're wacky exactly.

1015
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Speaker 2: But I think one day, I mean, this will be

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a very accepted modality.

1017
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Speaker 1: It's just you know, the beginning of it. Yeah, I

1018
00:55:34,519 --> 00:55:37,280
really hope. So, well, this is amazing talking to you.

1019
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:40,440
I could hear of all these stories like for so long. Thanks.

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Where can people find you? Michelle?

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Speaker 2: So I have my my two companies, Victim to Victor,

1022
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which you can find Michelle Vasil dot com or Mother's

1023
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Intuition dot co. If you're on Instagram, you can either

1024
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find me on Michelle Vasil or Mother's Intuition underscore co.

1025
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I'm sure thing will be tagged.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll put everything in the show notes because it's

1027
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a lot of words.

1028
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Speaker 2: Yes, if you just look up Michelle Vasil v easy

1029
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I LJ, you'll be able to find me and I will.

1030
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Speaker 1: Show you where to go.

1031
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Speaker 2: But anyone who lets me know that they came from

1032
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this podcast, I'll give a gifted rate.

1033
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Speaker 1: So oh I love that.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, of course, Well, thank you, thank you, Alice.

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad we were able to do this. Me too.