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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Destiny. Now here's your host, Cliff Dunning.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, this is Cliff, your host of Destiny. How you doing.

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<v Speaker 2>Come on in, let's talk chat about good stuff. Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to remind you that if you haven't had

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<v Speaker 2>a chance to listen to the best of Eric van

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<v Speaker 2>Dankin's interview, I posted it recently. I also did something

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<v Speaker 2>that I hadn't thought about. I did something for the

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<v Speaker 2>first time. I used chat GBT to generate a graphic.

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<v Speaker 2>I had this picture of Rish from Los Angeles, and

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<v Speaker 2>I uploaded it into the AI system and I wrote

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<v Speaker 2>a few and some specifics, and it came back with

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<v Speaker 2>this amazing graphic of Eric looking down at us from heaven,

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<v Speaker 2>along with some ets and some spaceships and some ancient

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<v Speaker 2>sites that kind of supports this interview that I series

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<v Speaker 2>of interviews over ten years that I pieced together in

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<v Speaker 2>a best of program. So check that out. You should

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<v Speaker 2>have it on your feed. And it's almost two hours

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<v Speaker 2>and I edited it down. It could have easily been

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<v Speaker 2>Jesus four or five hours, but I took the best

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<v Speaker 2>of from him. And one of the early parts of

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<v Speaker 2>that interview is Eric actually talking about growing up and

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<v Speaker 2>how he was influenced by the Bible, but not just

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<v Speaker 2>the religious part of it, more from an anthropological look

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<v Speaker 2>and early man and how in his belief the the

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<v Speaker 2>Bible describes how early man evolved and was created by aliens.

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<v Speaker 2>So now, and one of the things that I appreciate

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<v Speaker 2>about Eric's work is the fact that he was an

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<v Speaker 2>explorer over anything else. I think what happened was he

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<v Speaker 2>just got caught up, which a lot of people do

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<v Speaker 2>when you go to places like bellbuck Lebanon, or you

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<v Speaker 2>go to Egypt, the Giza Plateau that we talk about

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<v Speaker 2>all the time, and seeing these pyramids up close and

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<v Speaker 2>personal or any place else that has megalis how did

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<v Speaker 2>they do it? How was the technology? I mean he

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<v Speaker 2>even discusses in one interview Pumapuku and Tiwanaku, Bolivia. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>if you've ever been to that place, the stonework is

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<v Speaker 2>cut with some form of technology we don't understand. So

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<v Speaker 2>when you're observing this and he started going down in

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<v Speaker 2>the late nineteen sixties to to South America, and he

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<v Speaker 2>left his home in Switzerland to begin exploring. He was

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<v Speaker 2>a research investigator, and he took great pride in his

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<v Speaker 2>note taking and his belief in alien intervention was huge, huge,

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<v Speaker 2>Now today we know that that's probably a little over

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<v Speaker 2>emphasis on the alien side of it. And my belief

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<v Speaker 2>and I've worked with elders and you've we've had people

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<v Speaker 2>on the show who are indigenous individuals, Native Americans who

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<v Speaker 2>believe that their ancestors worked with alien intervention. But I

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<v Speaker 2>don't believe that the aliens. When I look at ancient aliens,

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<v Speaker 2>it's between one and ten percent of one hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 2>I think Arish was looking at it, but overdid it.

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<v Speaker 2>He's looking at it from ninety percent to one hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 2>That there's alien intervention in Earth's history. I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>closer to two to ten percent, ten percent being the

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<v Speaker 2>absolute most. And this is where you get these spinoffs

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<v Speaker 2>and ancient Aliens, and it's fun, it's great fun to

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<v Speaker 2>see these huge productions, which is not what ancient Aliens

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<v Speaker 2>is now and in sixteenth or eighteenth season, eighteen years

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<v Speaker 2>of that, and it's an industry. But really, if we're

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<v Speaker 2>serious about it, it's not that aliens came down and

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<v Speaker 2>were influencing us in that manner. It's more that we

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<v Speaker 2>have lost part of our history. There is an advanced

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<v Speaker 2>Earth human development that we only get bits and pieces

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<v Speaker 2>of like the great if you ever go to Green

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<v Speaker 2>come with us, by the way, come with us to

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<v Speaker 2>our Sammath Daniel Grant Egyptian tour. We go and we

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<v Speaker 2>not only walk around and interact with these pyramids, we

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<v Speaker 2>actually go inside one of the great pyramids. We go

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<v Speaker 2>inside of the Cufu Pyramid. And once you're in there

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<v Speaker 2>and you're looking at these megalithic stones placed together in

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<v Speaker 2>precision manner, in a precision manner, then you're like, Wow,

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<v Speaker 2>those guys were amazing. It's not Aliens. It's just that

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<v Speaker 2>we had another culture. Some say it's pre dynastic. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not Aliens. It's just that we have a lost part

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<v Speaker 2>of our history and we're doing we're working as fast

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<v Speaker 2>as we can to unveil these people, unveil their science,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're getting pieces of it. And it's really the

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<v Speaker 2>most amazing challenge is that as our current science evolves

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<v Speaker 2>and developed up, it allows us to discover these early people.

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<v Speaker 2>And these early people were so sophisticated they were able

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<v Speaker 2>to tap Earth's gravity, tap these tolleric energy sites, and

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<v Speaker 2>over hundreds of perhaps thousands of years, develop a science

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<v Speaker 2>around it and that science was able to create cutting tools,

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<v Speaker 2>machines of some kind. There's actual wars like the Maha

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<v Speaker 2>Barata War that were fought in Vomanas, which is the

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<v Speaker 2>flying craft. So there's a history that were slowly unveiling.

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<v Speaker 2>But I want to honor and I urge you to

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<v Speaker 2>listen to arischvon Donegan's Life and Time series just came

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<v Speaker 2>out look on your feed because he was an explorer.

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<v Speaker 2>He was a research investigator who opened the door and

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<v Speaker 2>influenced my self and many other people into wanting to

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<v Speaker 2>know more about our past. So there you go. Hope

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<v Speaker 2>you enjoy that program. Today's program is with a researcher.

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<v Speaker 2>Her name is Linda shield Or. She's a psychotherapist. She

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<v Speaker 2>has written a fascinating book called Ancestral Dreaming. And what

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<v Speaker 2>makes this book very, very important is the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>our ancestors, according to her, are trying to reach out

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<v Speaker 2>to give us heads up on our own behaviors, our

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<v Speaker 2>own tendencies that are not always positive, but also provide

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<v Speaker 2>data about our history as a as a humanity, but

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<v Speaker 2>also personally, how to heal the trauma that could be ours,

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<v Speaker 2>but could be our grandparents and their great grandparents is

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<v Speaker 2>and so forth and so on, and this is a

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<v Speaker 2>way through dreaming and through meditation to connect with our ancestors.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very very inspirational but also very cool to become

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<v Speaker 2>more fulfilled as a human, as a as an individual,

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<v Speaker 2>flesh and blood in this lifetime, so that we're more

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<v Speaker 2>more fulfilled. And that's a big issue every year. We

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<v Speaker 2>want to be more healthy, we want to be more fulfilled,

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<v Speaker 2>we want to be more positive and successful. So today's

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<v Speaker 2>program is ancestral dreaming, healed generational wounds through dream work.

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<v Speaker 2>And my guest is Linda Yale Schiller. Hey, the semath

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<v Speaker 2>annual Grand Egyptian Tour is coming up. We have Mohammad

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<v Speaker 2>and Nohah e Braham with us. We're going to be

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<v Speaker 2>visiting Tennis, Egypt, which is very very old. We don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what happened there. It looks like a catastrophic event happened.

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<v Speaker 2>It has megalithic structures, statues, and some large pieces strewed around. Muhammad.

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<v Speaker 2>What do we know about Tennis? What makes it so unique?

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<v Speaker 3>What we know about tennis unfortunately so little, but it

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<v Speaker 3>is so little incoonveniar with the importance and the greatness

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<v Speaker 3>of Tennis. But for us it is very high level

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<v Speaker 3>of information. Number One, what we know that Tennis was

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<v Speaker 3>a great center of knowledge in Incia Egypt. It was

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<v Speaker 3>the big city receiving all the travelers and immigrants and

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<v Speaker 3>visitors to Egypt from the northeast part of Egypt, they

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<v Speaker 3>come across Sinai. The second thing about Tennis that there

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<v Speaker 3>was a massive size timbil or I can call it

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<v Speaker 3>big town. We call it Temble, dedicated to Amonra. This

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<v Speaker 3>is Timble. This village, if I can call it this way,

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<v Speaker 3>was completely pilt out of rose granite.

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<v Speaker 2>From us one.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what people don't know that there was more

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<v Speaker 3>than twelve obelisks in Tennis, maybe more, but the remains

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<v Speaker 3>some of them still in good condition, but all of

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<v Speaker 3>them are laying on the ground. The one they took

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<v Speaker 3>it to the Grand Museum, the one in front of

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<v Speaker 3>the main gate of the Grand Museum is from Tennis,

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<v Speaker 3>and the one in Tarrrisquare now is from Tennis. So

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<v Speaker 3>there are about ten obelisks or eight obelisks still there

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<v Speaker 3>at Tennis. So the story is very strange because we expected,

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<v Speaker 3>even if the Temble was in bad condition, we expected

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<v Speaker 3>more ruins to see more cat ORed blocks, but we

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<v Speaker 3>found only few, but we found the biggest. By the way,

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<v Speaker 3>there are remains of blocks weighing more than two hundred ton,

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<v Speaker 3>and three hundred ton we found of a statue. According

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<v Speaker 3>to the dimension of the foot, the statue would be

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<v Speaker 3>more than fifteen hundred ton. The foot is like a

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<v Speaker 3>car size.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so we don't know what happened exactly. It must

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<v Speaker 3>be something very strong hit tennis and hit that temple

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<v Speaker 3>and it it caused great damage, like great exublusion happened

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<v Speaker 3>inside the temple and caused that. All the pieces are

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<v Speaker 3>scattered on a distance maybe like three or four kilometers wide.

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<v Speaker 2>Amazing.

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<v Speaker 3>When people go to tennis, they're going to feel the

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<v Speaker 3>magic and they feel the dips of the history of tennis.

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<v Speaker 2>Come on and join us. It's going to be April

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<v Speaker 2>twenty eight through May tenth. For all the details and

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<v Speaker 2>the itinerary, go to Earth Agents dot com Forward Slash Tours.

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<v Speaker 2>We're introducing a new book today. It's called Ancestral Dreaming

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<v Speaker 2>Healed Generational Wounds through dream Work. And my guest today

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<v Speaker 2>is Linda Schieler. I enjoyed this book and I had

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<v Speaker 2>to tell you that I don't always remember my dreams.

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<v Speaker 2>But we're having Linda on today because we want to know.

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<v Speaker 2>We want to find out how important it is to

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<v Speaker 2>connect with our ancestors and how we can heal and

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<v Speaker 2>how we can help them hill too. So let me

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<v Speaker 2>tell you a little bit about Linda. She is a

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<v Speaker 2>psychotherapist consultant. She wrote a She's written two other books,

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<v Speaker 2>Modern dream Work and PSTD Dreams or PST Dreams. Actually

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<v Speaker 2>kind yeah, it's kind of funny, and this is all

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<v Speaker 2>excellent because we want to find out just how to

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<v Speaker 2>contact the past and why it's important. So, Linda, welcome

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<v Speaker 2>to Destiny.

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<v Speaker 1>Great to have you, Thank you very much. Nice to

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<v Speaker 1>be here, Cliff.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, the big question, how did you get involved in this?

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<v Speaker 2>Because this is not typical And I have to say

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<v Speaker 2>this that I although think that dreams are important. I

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<v Speaker 2>know they're important. I can't remember my dreams because I

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<v Speaker 2>don't pay enough attention. But so talk about how you

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<v Speaker 2>launched into this.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, I'm going to lot pop right into that, but

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<v Speaker 1>I want to just tell you, Cliff that you're in

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<v Speaker 1>a very very good company for not remembering you And

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<v Speaker 1>the thing you said right after that is one of

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<v Speaker 1>the primary reasons why people don't remember their dreams, which

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<v Speaker 1>is they don't pay enough attention to them, or it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't matter to them, because you know that added that

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<v Speaker 1>will addage. We see what we're looking for. If something's

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<v Speaker 1>important to us, we look for it and we pay

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<v Speaker 1>attention to it, and if it's not, then we pay

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<v Speaker 1>less attention to it unless it hits us over the head,

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<v Speaker 1>as some dreams or nightmares do when they've decided that

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<v Speaker 1>they've had enough of us not paying attention. So the

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<v Speaker 1>best way, well two things. One is in our culture,

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<v Speaker 1>dreams are not given the respect that they deserve. And

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<v Speaker 1>as a matter of fact, in pretty much every native

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<v Speaker 1>of an indigenous culture throughout the world, respect and attention

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<v Speaker 1>is given to dreams as able to help us solve problems,

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<v Speaker 1>heal medical issues, for tell future, have precognitive experiences connect

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<v Speaker 1>with the spirit world, and the wise men and women

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<v Speaker 1>and the shamans and the medicine people of pretty much

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<v Speaker 1>every culture are those who are the best dreamers. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's not by coincidence. And I'm just now reading an

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<v Speaker 1>article about the Maori culture in New Zealand, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>reading because I'm actually I'm very excited. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>dreamwork at the same time, first weekend in March, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>give you the links. But they talk about how important

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<v Speaker 1>dreaming is in the Maoric culture and what they say,

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<v Speaker 1>let mean if I can remember the acronym. They say,

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<v Speaker 1>most of the research on dreams is done by what

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<v Speaker 1>he calls it's an acronym in the acronym that uses

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<v Speaker 1>weird Western European what's the eye? I can't remember the

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<v Speaker 1>eyes for rich democracies. So and they the researchers said,

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<v Speaker 1>this represents about twelve percent of the world's population, but

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<v Speaker 1>most of the attention to dreams are only given by

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<v Speaker 1>people who live in these Western, non indigenous, wealthier cultures,

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<v Speaker 1>and they miss all the nuance of dreams. Hence, we're

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<v Speaker 1>not taught about the importance of dreams. And as a therapist,

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<v Speaker 1>I and none of my colleagues were taught how to

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<v Speaker 1>of social worker, schools of counseling and we should be

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<v Speaker 1>because this is the best way and the fastest, most

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<v Speaker 1>direct access to our deepest self, to our soul, to

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<v Speaker 1>don't quite know in our conscious mind. So I recommend

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<v Speaker 1>paying attention to dreams for the ability to access nonlinear

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<v Speaker 1>ways of knowing. Right, we have our left brain linear

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<v Speaker 1>waking mentality of what's out there in our quote unquote

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<v Speaker 1>waking life, but there are worlds that we don't have

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<v Speaker 1>access to with that left brain linear logic. And ironically,

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<v Speaker 1>or maybe not ironically, the most scientific of science is

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<v Speaker 1>catching up with indigenous folks. Quantum physics is all about

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<v Speaker 1>knowing things in unusual ways that defy logic.

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<v Speaker 2>So when you say indigenous cultures have traditions of working

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<v Speaker 2>in the dreams state, is that noted? Is that, like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, documented in a way?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, tons and tons and tons of research with

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<v Speaker 1>Native American, with New Zealand, with Australia, with the Far East,

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<v Speaker 1>with Middle Eastern. Pretty much every spiritual tradition and native tradition,

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<v Speaker 1>including our Western spiritual traditions talk about the importance of

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<v Speaker 1>dream work and have a place in Judaeo Christian and

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<v Speaker 1>Muslim cultures. In sort of the Western world cultures of spirituality,

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<v Speaker 1>dreams are given a lot of importance and attention, but

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<v Speaker 1>they're sort of a subgroup and they're not the mainstream

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<v Speaker 1>practice for most people.

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<v Speaker 2>Right So, in the early parts of your book you

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<v Speaker 2>give suggestions, which is classic, but have a notepad or

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<v Speaker 2>a journal or some form of written paper and pen

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<v Speaker 2>standing by so that when you have your dream, you

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<v Speaker 2>wake up a little bit and write a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>sentences down, or what is your suggestion for dream memory?

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<v Speaker 1>The very best way to remember your dreams is to

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<v Speaker 1>write them down. And mostly we only remember the dreams

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<v Speaker 1>that we have at the end of a ram cycle,

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<v Speaker 1>right so, and we also probably only mostly remember the

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<v Speaker 1>dreams we have when we first wake up in the morning.

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<v Speaker 1>But we know we have between five and seven ram

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<v Speaker 1>cycles every night, which means we all have approximately five

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<v Speaker 1>to seven dreams every night. We just don't remember them

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<v Speaker 1>unless we happen to wake up them.

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<v Speaker 2>Five to seven dreams, Yeah, are these must be significant

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<v Speaker 2>dreams that just get buried in some kind of database.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we don't know exactly what they are if we

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<v Speaker 1>don't remember them. Most of us remember if we're lucky

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<v Speaker 1>one or two. I have one colleague who's been in

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<v Speaker 1>my dream circle for twenty years, and she is amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>She has this dream practice which somehow she manages to

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<v Speaker 1>capture like between four and seven dreams almost every night,

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<v Speaker 1>and she goes through a journal like every couple of

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<v Speaker 1>months filling it with her dreams. She's an outlier. That's

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<v Speaker 1>not the norm for most of us. Yeah, but when

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<v Speaker 1>but when you wake up in the morning or in

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<v Speaker 1>the middle of the night, if you can jump down

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<v Speaker 1>everything you can think of that you remember from your dream,

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<v Speaker 1>capture as much as you can because and the reason

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<v Speaker 1>I say write it as opposed to like dictated into

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<v Speaker 1>your machine, whatever your devices, is that as we write,

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<v Speaker 1>we're activating our physical somatic body as well, and we

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<v Speaker 1>trigger remembering of our unconscious self when we are using

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<v Speaker 1>our physical body as opposed to just talking. And often

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<v Speaker 1>I'll find in this and everybody reports us that as

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<v Speaker 1>we're writing things down, we remember more than we thought

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<v Speaker 1>we did before we started writing. So if you can't

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<v Speaker 1>write for whatever reason, by all means at least dictated

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<v Speaker 1>into your into your phone or whatever, but then later

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<v Speaker 1>go back and transcribe it, and you'll probably find there's

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<v Speaker 1>more detail than when you first spoke it.

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<v Speaker 2>Talk about primers or starting sets that will help us

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<v Speaker 2>remember our dreams. Now, I've heard that if we use

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<v Speaker 2>intention as we're in bed, I would like to remember

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<v Speaker 2>my dreams Tonight I need to dream about I have

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<v Speaker 2>the feeling that this person is contacting me or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. What are your suggestions for launching a

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<v Speaker 2>dream work?

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, so to have a dreamwork practice for starters, be

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<v Speaker 1>aware that this is possibility and climb on board that

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<v Speaker 1>it's important. If you say, ah, just a dream, you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to be less likely to remember. But if you say, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>dreams can really connect me with my higher self, with

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<v Speaker 1>spiritual realm, with other people, with knowledge they're worthwhile remembering,

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to be more likely to remember. That's that's

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<v Speaker 1>for starters. And then what you're talking about, Cliff, is

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<v Speaker 1>a practice called dream incubation, which is an yeah, which

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<v Speaker 1>is an ancient practice of preparing before you go to

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<v Speaker 1>sleep at night to put your mind and intention on

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<v Speaker 1>what it is you'd like to dream about. And you

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<v Speaker 1>can spend a few minutes or half an hour whatever

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<v Speaker 1>you want, writing in your journal. What the dilemma or

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<v Speaker 1>issue or question or desire is that you'd like to

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<v Speaker 1>get more information about, to get some direction about from

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<v Speaker 1>your dreams, and end that writing with as specific a

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<v Speaker 1>question as you can, And the more specific your question,

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<v Speaker 1>the greater likelihood that you will easily understand the message

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<v Speaker 1>the dream has come to tell you. Because dreams come

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<v Speaker 1>couched in layers of symbol and metaphor, and that's why

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<v Speaker 1>we do dream work to peel back the layers so

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<v Speaker 1>we understand sort of the symbolic and metaphoric meanings of

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<v Speaker 1>the dreams. So the gift of doing good dream work

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<v Speaker 1>is a gift of associations. So if you have a

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<v Speaker 1>question you'd like to ask, or a departed relative in

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<v Speaker 1>the case of talking about ancestors you'd like to hear from,

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<v Speaker 1>be real specific about what it is. Rather than saying, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>i'd like to connect with my ancestors, say my mom

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<v Speaker 1>died last year and I miss her. I'd really like

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<v Speaker 1>to have her visit me and invite her. So Mom

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<v Speaker 1>will come and give me a hellout tonight while I'm sleeping,

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<v Speaker 1>and your chances are going to be much higher that

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<v Speaker 1>the exact question you've asked will be answered in a

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<v Speaker 1>way you can understand it.

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<v Speaker 2>I like that before we get into what you call

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<v Speaker 2>the six calls from our ancestors, I want you to

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<v Speaker 2>describe why it's important to reach out and what is

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<v Speaker 2>ancestral healing in communication. I mean, I've talked to people

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<v Speaker 2>who say, this is our history. Our ancestors did this

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<v Speaker 2>quite regularly. The indigenous cultures are all about this. But

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<v Speaker 2>why is it important to have this communication with ancestors.

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<v Speaker 1>So some of us have ancestral lines that were pretty

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<v Speaker 1>easy and happy and successful and well cared for. And

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<v Speaker 1>if we were lucky enough to primarily have ancestors, parents, grandparents,

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<v Speaker 1>great grandparents as far back as we can go, well

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<v Speaker 1>basically had pretty good lives. They're probably at peace. On

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<v Speaker 1>the other side, they might come to visit us with

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<v Speaker 1>some blessings, with some gifts, with some wisdoms. But for

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<v Speaker 1>many and I don't know if I can say most

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<v Speaker 1>of us, but certainly many of us have in ancestors

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<v Speaker 1>in our ancestral line who died in great pain, who

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<v Speaker 1>died because of trauma, who died with unresolved wounds, And

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<v Speaker 1>if that was the case, they are still stuck in

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<v Speaker 1>the pain of the wound or the trauma that happened

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<v Speaker 1>in their lives because they didn't have an opportunity while

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<v Speaker 1>they were embodied to do the healing. So the gift

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<v Speaker 1>that gives both ways in doing ancestral dream work is

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<v Speaker 1>when we can contact or be contacted by our relatives

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<v Speaker 1>who died with pain. And these are the ones who

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<v Speaker 1>come through and say, please help me, I'm still suffering.

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<v Speaker 1>The book is full of many, many stories of this,

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<v Speaker 1>and many many exercises and things that we can do

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<v Speaker 1>in our sleep, in our sleep or dream adjacent states

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<v Speaker 1>like meditation or hypnotic states or trans or in our

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<v Speaker 1>waking lives to create and send healing to those spiritual

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<v Speaker 1>spirits who are still suffering and send the healing back

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<v Speaker 1>into time and space so they can receive the healing

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<v Speaker 1>they never got a chance to have when they were alive,

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<v Speaker 1>finish their journey and pass over in peace to live

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<v Speaker 1>with the one. However, you understand what happens when you die,

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<v Speaker 1>and then what happens that's so beautiful is that that

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<v Speaker 1>healing that we gave to our grandparents passes down the

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<v Speaker 1>line to our parents and passes down the line to us.

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<v Speaker 1>So rather than the message of pain and trauma and

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<v Speaker 1>suffering being what's passed down from generation to generation. We

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<v Speaker 1>can pass down the message of healing, resilience and hope,

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<v Speaker 1>and then we pass that on to our children and

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<v Speaker 1>our students and the people whose lives we touch.

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<v Speaker 2>So this generation is embodied. And so you're saying, we

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<v Speaker 2>have the power to reach in and heal our ancestors.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, how do we know that there's a problem

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<v Speaker 2>with our ancestors? Is this the dream work someone's coming

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<v Speaker 2>through and saying I'm in pain, I'm emotionally upset still,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's a lot of different ways we might know

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<v Speaker 1>that there is a problem that's happened in our family

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<v Speaker 1>line and our family tree. And one of the best

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<v Speaker 1>ways to have knowledge about your family is to make

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<v Speaker 1>a family tree, to create what's called a genogram, and

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<v Speaker 1>there are lots of templates online. There's a template in

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<v Speaker 1>the book for making a family tree.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And to ask your parents and your grandparents sooner

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<v Speaker 1>rather than later, before the information dies and you can't

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<v Speaker 1>get it. Who's who in the family, who has married

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<v Speaker 1>to who, who has children? Where does everybody come from,

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<v Speaker 1>and what were their lives like? And if you simply

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<v Speaker 1>start asking your parents and your grandparents, and if you're

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<v Speaker 1>lucky enough to have great parents grandparents who are still alive,

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<v Speaker 1>they'd be usually more than happy to tell you. And

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<v Speaker 1>if they're not more than happy, sometimes they'll still tell

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<v Speaker 1>you anyway. If you can convince them how important it

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<v Speaker 1>is to tell their stories before they're lost, you will

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<v Speaker 1>learn things about your family history that you would never

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<v Speaker 1>have known had you not asked, or you might already

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<v Speaker 1>know or suspect, like you know that dad's mom died

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<v Speaker 1>of a heart attack at forty seven years of age.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just making up a scenario. And there's a history

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<v Speaker 1>of heart problems in the family, right, So it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh aha, genetic history heart problems in a family. That's

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<v Speaker 1>one thing we can track sort of the medical history,

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<v Speaker 1>but then also what's the emotional and life lived history

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<v Speaker 1>connected with heart attacks?

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>So, just for example, I'll just to share a personal story.

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<v Speaker 2>Was very very good young.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, right, he was very very young, and my parents

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<v Speaker 1>were divorced when I was about twelve years old, and

421
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<v Speaker 1>my dad cheated on my mom, so he had a

422
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<v Speaker 1>history of pain of the heart from an emotional standpoint

423
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<v Speaker 1>and not being true to his heart for years and

424
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<v Speaker 1>years before he had a physical symptom. So that's just

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<v Speaker 1>one example of where the emotional story and the physical

426
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<v Speaker 1>story come together. But you also will find as you

427
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<v Speaker 1>go through family history it's like, Oh, you know Grandma's brother,

428
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<v Speaker 1>how come we never see great Uncle Jack? What's wrong

429
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<v Speaker 1>with him? Oh, we don't see uncle Jack, we don't

430
00:30:00.920 --> 00:30:04.359
<v Speaker 1>talk to him. Well, why what happened? What's the story

431
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<v Speaker 1>with great Uncle Jack? And how is that still relevant

432
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<v Speaker 1>in our family? The question then is what are we

433
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<v Speaker 1>still carrying in our lives today? It's actually not ours

434
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<v Speaker 1>to carre it. We're carrying old stuff that belongs to

435
00:30:21.000 --> 00:30:26.559
<v Speaker 1>generations past. And until we know if we're carrying stuff

436
00:30:26.599 --> 00:30:31.000
<v Speaker 1>that isn't ours, we can't easily separate from it. So

437
00:30:31.359 --> 00:30:36.680
<v Speaker 1>awareness then gives us the option of choice and of

438
00:30:36.720 --> 00:30:39.599
<v Speaker 1>doing healing work. So that's why it's so important to

439
00:30:39.920 --> 00:30:42.759
<v Speaker 1>trace this history. You can do it alive with your

440
00:30:42.799 --> 00:30:46.160
<v Speaker 1>parents and grandparents. You can do it by incubating dreams.

441
00:30:46.839 --> 00:30:48.920
<v Speaker 1>You can do it with automatic writing to see what

442
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<v Speaker 1>comes through. Like many ways to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I almost have a situation where most of my

444
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<v Speaker 2>relatives of my grandparents have passed many years ago. My

445
00:31:00.799 --> 00:31:03.519
<v Speaker 2>father passed away. I think my mother's she's ninety five.

446
00:31:03.559 --> 00:31:06.119
<v Speaker 2>I don't think she remember. But you just said the

447
00:31:06.200 --> 00:31:08.640
<v Speaker 2>key word. If they're not alive, you can use your dreams,

448
00:31:08.680 --> 00:31:12.680
<v Speaker 2>you can use automatic writing and talking like that. I

449
00:31:12.720 --> 00:31:15.799
<v Speaker 2>really like that. And you're saying some very important make it,

450
00:31:15.839 --> 00:31:18.839
<v Speaker 2>some very important point to Linda, which is that this

451
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<v Speaker 2>isn't just to heal the ancestors. This is to heal you.

452
00:31:22.720 --> 00:31:26.519
<v Speaker 2>That's right, which I have not thought about. But that's

453
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<v Speaker 2>the critical point. Where are the physical beings? And we should,

454
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<v Speaker 2>you know, instill this knowledge to allow us.

455
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<v Speaker 1>To heal right in the same way we inherit physical

456
00:31:39.839 --> 00:31:45.240
<v Speaker 1>characteristics our selves and our personalities and the way we live.

457
00:31:45.359 --> 00:31:48.440
<v Speaker 1>Our lives is affected by the environments we grew up

458
00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:51.759
<v Speaker 1>in and how we were parented, and how our parents

459
00:31:51.759 --> 00:31:55.039
<v Speaker 1>parented us is affected by who parented them and the

460
00:31:55.119 --> 00:31:58.319
<v Speaker 1>environments they grew up in. So things can get repeated

461
00:31:58.400 --> 00:32:02.759
<v Speaker 1>from generations past that are no longer actually relevant to

462
00:32:02.839 --> 00:32:07.000
<v Speaker 1>our lives today, but we get parented and therefore internalize

463
00:32:07.039 --> 00:32:10.200
<v Speaker 1>and act as if they were. Because this is what's

464
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<v Speaker 1>getting passed along the family line.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. We're going to take a short commercial break to

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<v Speaker 2>shortly with my guests today, Linda Sheeler discussing her new

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<v Speaker 2>Psychotherapist Linda Yale Schiller she has written a new book

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<v Speaker 2>on ancestral healing. This is a look at reaching out

493
00:35:08.199 --> 00:35:13.280
<v Speaker 2>beyond our known parentage, our known ancestors into the deep

494
00:35:13.440 --> 00:35:17.239
<v Speaker 2>past and working with the gifts and the trauma that

495
00:35:17.280 --> 00:35:26.440
<v Speaker 2>they suffered as well. So should we obviously be paying

496
00:35:26.480 --> 00:35:33.480
<v Speaker 2>attention to physical health issues, mental emotional, spiritual issues that

497
00:35:34.400 --> 00:35:38.159
<v Speaker 2>are bogging us down and may have an ancestral trail

498
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<v Speaker 2>to focus on.

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<v Speaker 1>Right whatever it is that you are blessed to do

500
00:35:46.440 --> 00:35:49.199
<v Speaker 1>well with and have success within your life and have

501
00:35:49.280 --> 00:35:51.760
<v Speaker 1>peace within your life, look and see if there are

502
00:35:51.800 --> 00:35:54.480
<v Speaker 1>other people in the family who you know of who

503
00:35:54.559 --> 00:35:59.480
<v Speaker 1>also have these gifts. If you're struggling with depression, or

504
00:35:59.559 --> 00:36:04.679
<v Speaker 1>with anxiety, or with the after effects of trauma, how

505
00:36:04.760 --> 00:36:08.320
<v Speaker 1>much of that is because of what actually happened to

506
00:36:08.519 --> 00:36:11.800
<v Speaker 1>you that affected you in your life and your then

507
00:36:11.840 --> 00:36:16.320
<v Speaker 1>emotional response to that. And of course somatic and soma

508
00:36:16.559 --> 00:36:20.199
<v Speaker 1>and psyche are hand in hand, so semitic and physical effects.

509
00:36:20.400 --> 00:36:24.119
<v Speaker 1>But look to see anybody else in the family have

510
00:36:24.199 --> 00:36:28.559
<v Speaker 1>a history of fill in the blank? Is this pattern

511
00:36:28.679 --> 00:36:34.079
<v Speaker 1>being passed along from generation to generation? And as a therapist,

512
00:36:34.199 --> 00:36:36.519
<v Speaker 1>I can tell you most of the people I work with,

513
00:36:36.719 --> 00:36:38.920
<v Speaker 1>and this is not blaming the parents by any mean.

514
00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:42.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm a parent, so I'm not blaming the parents, can

515
00:36:42.960 --> 00:36:47.320
<v Speaker 1>find connections between things that brought them into into counseling

516
00:36:47.400 --> 00:36:52.280
<v Speaker 1>or therapy and things that their parents and grandparents also

517
00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:53.599
<v Speaker 1>struggled with or went through.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that. I want to talk about what you

519
00:36:57.199 --> 00:37:00.760
<v Speaker 2>call the six calls from your ancestors, which is what

520
00:37:00.800 --> 00:37:03.400
<v Speaker 2>you open the book in and I'm going to read

521
00:37:03.440 --> 00:37:05.400
<v Speaker 2>him off and if you could explain him a little

522
00:37:05.679 --> 00:37:07.360
<v Speaker 2>with a little more depth, I think it would be

523
00:37:07.440 --> 00:37:12.400
<v Speaker 2>very helpful. The first one is I am here, you

524
00:37:12.440 --> 00:37:18.360
<v Speaker 2>are not alone, which I thought. I have a very

525
00:37:18.599 --> 00:37:22.719
<v Speaker 2>favorite grandfather who was almost reherrent to me, who passed

526
00:37:22.719 --> 00:37:28.079
<v Speaker 2>away over twenty years ago. And when you say you

527
00:37:28.079 --> 00:37:32.000
<v Speaker 2>are not alone, I could kind of feel that sense

528
00:37:32.039 --> 00:37:35.760
<v Speaker 2>of him being around, But how do we work with that?

529
00:37:37.679 --> 00:37:41.360
<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, I'm looking for something and I'm not

530
00:37:41.400 --> 00:37:42.960
<v Speaker 1>going to find the quote I'm looking for, but I

531
00:37:43.000 --> 00:37:49.679
<v Speaker 1>found a different quote. I'm holding the book here. Grief

532
00:37:51.039 --> 00:37:56.559
<v Speaker 1>is a very powerful experience to have, and when we

533
00:37:56.679 --> 00:38:01.280
<v Speaker 1>lose someone that we love, we mean we grieve and

534
00:38:01.320 --> 00:38:04.719
<v Speaker 1>that's normal and it's natural, and we go through a

535
00:38:04.760 --> 00:38:09.440
<v Speaker 1>lot of different stages of grieving, from the first week

536
00:38:09.679 --> 00:38:12.360
<v Speaker 1>where in some traditions we sit shival for a week.

537
00:38:12.639 --> 00:38:15.400
<v Speaker 1>The first month is called slow shehim, and then there's

538
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<v Speaker 1>the first year, and what Western culture forgets to pay

539
00:38:18.400 --> 00:38:21.320
<v Speaker 1>attention to is there's a second year two where things

540
00:38:21.360 --> 00:38:26.159
<v Speaker 1>are not, you know, back to status quo yet. So

541
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<v Speaker 1>we learn how to live with loss one way, shape

542
00:38:29.440 --> 00:38:34.679
<v Speaker 1>or form. It becomes a way to help be a

543
00:38:34.719 --> 00:38:38.360
<v Speaker 1>bomb or a salve for our grief. To know, even

544
00:38:38.400 --> 00:38:41.840
<v Speaker 1>though the body and the physicality of the person we

545
00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:46.119
<v Speaker 1>loved isn't here anymore, their essence and their soul is

546
00:38:46.159 --> 00:38:49.840
<v Speaker 1>still with us. So if you connect with your grandfather

547
00:38:50.719 --> 00:38:53.599
<v Speaker 1>and this might come through to you, and maybe it has,

548
00:38:53.639 --> 00:38:56.920
<v Speaker 1>maybe it hasn't. If he's visited you in a dream

549
00:38:57.000 --> 00:39:00.079
<v Speaker 1>as opposed to just having a dream about him. I

550
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<v Speaker 1>think it's fifty three percent. The pure research, you know,

551
00:39:03.840 --> 00:39:07.320
<v Speaker 1>study said fifty three percent of Americans said they had

552
00:39:07.679 --> 00:39:11.639
<v Speaker 1>visitations from their departed loved ones in their dreams. And

553
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<v Speaker 1>that's just the people who recognized that they were having

554
00:39:14.800 --> 00:39:18.880
<v Speaker 1>a visit. So chances are probably even higher. But the

555
00:39:19.079 --> 00:39:23.559
<v Speaker 1>knowledge that they're not really gone, they're still available is

556
00:39:23.639 --> 00:39:28.719
<v Speaker 1>so comforting and so powerful. And there's that you're not alone,

557
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<v Speaker 1>I'm still with you peace.

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<v Speaker 2>How do we work with that, Linda? How do we

559
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<v Speaker 2>work with a relative that you want to communicate with more?

560
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<v Speaker 2>How does that? How do we launch into that.

561
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<v Speaker 1>Several different ways? First is have the intention, have the desire.

562
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<v Speaker 1>There's a wonderful fray a word in Hebrew. It's called

563
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<v Speaker 1>coveanda and kavanaugh means intention and it comes from the

564
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<v Speaker 1>root of the word le coven and kivun means direction.

565
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<v Speaker 1>So a covena or an intention is pointing yourself in

566
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<v Speaker 1>the direction that you want to go in. So you

567
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<v Speaker 1>start with pointing yourself in the direction of wanting to

568
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<v Speaker 1>be in touch with them, and then you can incubate

569
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<v Speaker 1>a dream, inviting them to show up and capture whatever

570
00:40:17.679 --> 00:40:20.599
<v Speaker 1>dream comes through. Even if you're not sure they showed up,

571
00:40:21.480 --> 00:40:24.880
<v Speaker 1>keep trying until it becomes clear, or work with someone

572
00:40:24.920 --> 00:40:27.719
<v Speaker 1>else or with a group to help unpack the dream,

573
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<v Speaker 1>to find out the hidden places that we need help

574
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<v Speaker 1>discovering that we can do on our own and in

575
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<v Speaker 1>waking life. Have that intention of connection and look for

576
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<v Speaker 1>it when you're in a quiet, peaceful place. Look for

577
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<v Speaker 1>it when you're taking a walk down by the river,

578
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<v Speaker 1>look for when you're listening to the birds singing in

579
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<v Speaker 1>the trees. Look for it when you're swimming in the ocean.

580
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<v Speaker 1>Look for it in a place, these liminal places right

581
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<v Speaker 1>between earth and air and water, where spirit and matter

582
00:41:04.519 --> 00:41:10.880
<v Speaker 1>are less clear cut, and often you'll find the voice

583
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<v Speaker 1>or a sign or a synchronicity that lets you know, Oh,

584
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<v Speaker 1>here they are, Here they are.

585
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<v Speaker 2>Are they supposed to be our ancestors, supposed to be

586
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<v Speaker 2>our counselors, are advice givers? Or are they there just

587
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<v Speaker 2>to nurture?

588
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<v Speaker 1>Depends on the ancestor. I think, just as in our lives,

589
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<v Speaker 1>right there are people who are supposed to be accountants,

590
00:41:37.199 --> 00:41:39.960
<v Speaker 1>and there's people who are supposed to be professors, and

591
00:41:40.000 --> 00:41:42.800
<v Speaker 1>there's people who are supposed to be podcasters and not

592
00:41:42.920 --> 00:41:46.840
<v Speaker 1>other people, right. I think it's the same with our ancestors. YEA,

593
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<v Speaker 1>So my stepdad, Bud. All I have to do is

594
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<v Speaker 1>say his name or think of him, and he's right

595
00:41:52.519 --> 00:41:55.719
<v Speaker 1>here in the room with me. Nobody else in my

596
00:41:55.800 --> 00:41:59.679
<v Speaker 1>life does that. He was the father of my adult life,

597
00:42:00.079 --> 00:42:03.599
<v Speaker 1>is what my mentor. He read my first professional papers

598
00:42:03.639 --> 00:42:06.440
<v Speaker 1>when I was a professor at Boston University and was

599
00:42:06.480 --> 00:42:09.039
<v Speaker 1>writing for publication, because he was a professor as well.

600
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<v Speaker 1>So in my life he was a mentor for me.

601
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<v Speaker 1>And after his death he's been gone, I don't know

602
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<v Speaker 1>twenty years now. Oh he's still here.

603
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<v Speaker 2>Anytime I call him into place, consciously, not unconsciously when

604
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<v Speaker 2>you're asleep. Is that what you're suggesting?

605
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<v Speaker 1>In this particular case, he shows up in three different ways.

606
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<v Speaker 1>One is he sometimes comes through in dreams on his own,

607
00:42:37.760 --> 00:42:42.760
<v Speaker 1>well actually four. Two is when I'm awake sometimes I'll say, hey, Bud,

608
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<v Speaker 1>what do you think of this? Three is he'll just

609
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<v Speaker 1>show up. I can just steal his essence. And right now,

610
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<v Speaker 1>for example, I can hear him like laughing, this great,

611
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<v Speaker 1>great laugh that he has because he's sort of delighted

612
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<v Speaker 1>that we're referencing him this way. Four is I we

613
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<v Speaker 1>My daughter grew up thinking that dreams were very normal

614
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<v Speaker 1>and talking to dead relatives was a really normal thing. Ah,

615
00:43:07.320 --> 00:43:09.280
<v Speaker 1>So when she was little, and you know, all of

616
00:43:09.360 --> 00:43:12.320
<v Speaker 1>us who are our parents, you know, there are things

617
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<v Speaker 1>where we can get into power struggles with our kids

618
00:43:14.519 --> 00:43:17.400
<v Speaker 1>if we're not careful. One of the best techniques I

619
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<v Speaker 1>ever found was to tell my daughter, you know, ask

620
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<v Speaker 1>Grandma and Grandpa what they think about this. You go,

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<v Speaker 1>ask them now they're already dead, right. So she goes

622
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<v Speaker 1>and I don't know if she dreams it or if

623
00:43:30.840 --> 00:43:33.360
<v Speaker 1>she channels them or what she does, but she comes

624
00:43:33.400 --> 00:43:38.559
<v Speaker 1>back the next morning with advice that I am totally behind.

625
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<v Speaker 1>That I agree with. I Grandma said that I should

626
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<v Speaker 1>do this or that, or Grandpa said that I should

627
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<v Speaker 1>do this or that. I said, all right, what do

628
00:43:46.559 --> 00:43:48.239
<v Speaker 1>you think She said that sounds good? I said, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I agree with grandma.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I love to hear that, because I think

631
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<v Speaker 2>some people might think you're crazy. You're asking dead people advice.

632
00:43:56.840 --> 00:44:00.719
<v Speaker 2>You know, our Western morals are bleeding through, you know

633
00:44:01.119 --> 00:44:05.760
<v Speaker 2>whatever that means. Or fundamentalism of religion may think you're

634
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<v Speaker 2>working with the devil.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, if you had parents or grandparents who

636
00:44:13.679 --> 00:44:20.880
<v Speaker 1>passed who were cruel or abusive, or really challenged or

637
00:44:21.239 --> 00:44:24.639
<v Speaker 1>addicts or just didn't treat you well. I wouldn't send

638
00:44:24.719 --> 00:44:28.440
<v Speaker 1>my kid to ask them for advice, So you know,

639
00:44:28.599 --> 00:44:29.760
<v Speaker 1>you use your common.

640
00:44:29.480 --> 00:44:32.440
<v Speaker 2>Sense too, exactly exactly.

641
00:44:32.360 --> 00:44:35.800
<v Speaker 1>Unless they've done their healing work, and then that's a

642
00:44:35.800 --> 00:44:39.320
<v Speaker 1>different story than you know. As Peter Levine, who wrote

643
00:44:39.320 --> 00:44:43.119
<v Speaker 1>Waking the Tiger and as in Somatic Experiencing, talked about

644
00:44:43.480 --> 00:44:50.599
<v Speaker 1>that a trauma healed is an earned blessing. So trauma

645
00:44:50.760 --> 00:44:54.000
<v Speaker 1>healed is a great blessing for us, but trauma on

646
00:44:54.199 --> 00:44:56.880
<v Speaker 1>healed continues to repeat itself.

647
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I want to complete this sixth Jauls because I

648
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<v Speaker 2>think they are so unique and really there is diverse

649
00:45:06.679 --> 00:45:11.000
<v Speaker 2>as our listeners. So the next one is take these gifts.

650
00:45:12.320 --> 00:45:13.360
<v Speaker 2>I like to hear about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So sometimes our ancestors come in the first one

652
00:45:17.599 --> 00:45:21.719
<v Speaker 1>saying I'm here, You're not alone, right. They can also

653
00:45:21.800 --> 00:45:25.639
<v Speaker 1>come through saying I have some gifts or some blessings

654
00:45:25.639 --> 00:45:28.559
<v Speaker 1>for you that I'd like to offer you in your life.

655
00:45:28.679 --> 00:45:32.199
<v Speaker 1>And those are always so special. They can be something concrete,

656
00:45:32.360 --> 00:45:35.239
<v Speaker 1>they can be something with words, They can be an

657
00:45:35.400 --> 00:45:38.599
<v Speaker 1>essence or felt sense it can also be in this

658
00:45:38.719 --> 00:45:42.880
<v Speaker 1>category that sometimes our ancestor will come through here and say,

659
00:45:42.960 --> 00:45:44.719
<v Speaker 1>you know, I have an apology to make to you

660
00:45:44.920 --> 00:45:47.000
<v Speaker 1>that I did get a chance to make when we

661
00:45:47.000 --> 00:45:49.320
<v Speaker 1>were alive. So I really want to say sorry for

662
00:45:49.599 --> 00:45:52.760
<v Speaker 1>this X thing that happened between us. And that's a

663
00:45:52.840 --> 00:45:54.000
<v Speaker 1>gifted blessing too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that's a huge gift, especially if you were devastated

665
00:45:57.280 --> 00:46:00.199
<v Speaker 2>by them, whatever they said to you or the behavior

666
00:46:00.239 --> 00:46:01.000
<v Speaker 2>that they presented.

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00:46:01.800 --> 00:46:04.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. One of my clients who had been struggling with

668
00:46:04.400 --> 00:46:06.760
<v Speaker 1>her mom, who was sort of the epitome of not

669
00:46:06.840 --> 00:46:09.760
<v Speaker 1>a good mom when she was growing up, and her

670
00:46:09.800 --> 00:46:12.840
<v Speaker 1>mom would say things to her like I never should

671
00:46:12.840 --> 00:46:15.400
<v Speaker 1>have been a mother, I'm a terrible mother. You know,

672
00:46:15.440 --> 00:46:17.440
<v Speaker 1>you should have been born to someone else, like things

673
00:46:17.519 --> 00:46:21.719
<v Speaker 1>like that. When she worked with her mother in spirit,

674
00:46:22.639 --> 00:46:25.440
<v Speaker 1>her mother said to her, I'm really sorry I said

675
00:46:25.480 --> 00:46:26.280
<v Speaker 1>those things to you.

676
00:46:26.519 --> 00:46:27.320
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

677
00:46:27.920 --> 00:46:31.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And her mother said, here's what happened in my life.

678
00:46:31.440 --> 00:46:34.440
<v Speaker 1>Her mother was orphaned when she was two years old

679
00:46:34.519 --> 00:46:37.440
<v Speaker 1>and was brought up by sort of like a wicked

680
00:46:37.599 --> 00:46:40.639
<v Speaker 1>stepmother kind of thing, like an aunt who really never

681
00:46:40.679 --> 00:46:43.960
<v Speaker 1>wanted to have this additional child join her household. So

682
00:46:44.000 --> 00:46:48.199
<v Speaker 1>she was brought up as an unwanted child and passed

683
00:46:48.199 --> 00:46:51.760
<v Speaker 1>that message on to her daughter. But she didn't mean to,

684
00:46:51.960 --> 00:46:54.440
<v Speaker 1>but she did because that's what she had known. But

685
00:46:54.599 --> 00:46:57.719
<v Speaker 1>after she died, she said, I'm so sorry. Here's why

686
00:46:58.280 --> 00:47:00.840
<v Speaker 1>I would say those things to you. Didn't really mean them.

687
00:47:00.920 --> 00:47:03.159
<v Speaker 1>I really still love you and I always did.

688
00:47:03.360 --> 00:47:06.320
<v Speaker 2>I mean that is for a child they have a

689
00:47:06.440 --> 00:47:10.920
<v Speaker 2>parent berate them or whatever and then apologize. It's such

690
00:47:11.159 --> 00:47:15.360
<v Speaker 2>a relief. That's a trauma for a child, right, and

691
00:47:15.480 --> 00:47:20.920
<v Speaker 2>that's a relief too. So you're describing, yeah, a trauma

692
00:47:21.039 --> 00:47:27.159
<v Speaker 2>release with a parent who is or a relative who's deceased,

693
00:47:27.280 --> 00:47:30.440
<v Speaker 2>or a loved one who's deceased. That's powerful.

694
00:47:32.039 --> 00:47:35.320
<v Speaker 1>And my client who I worked with around this, she

695
00:47:35.519 --> 00:47:37.840
<v Speaker 1>was not a child. She was in her fifties when

696
00:47:37.840 --> 00:47:41.679
<v Speaker 1>we did this work. But she was able to then

697
00:47:41.800 --> 00:47:45.519
<v Speaker 1>bring that apology and healing message back to her younger

698
00:47:45.599 --> 00:47:49.679
<v Speaker 1>self internally as a child, and pass it on to

699
00:47:49.800 --> 00:47:50.880
<v Speaker 1>her daughter too.

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00:47:53.239 --> 00:47:56.559
<v Speaker 2>That's a fantastic story. Let's move on because we have

701
00:47:57.159 --> 00:48:01.719
<v Speaker 2>a little bit of time. Let's see gifts and then

702
00:48:01.840 --> 00:48:03.159
<v Speaker 2>let me help you heal.

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00:48:07.400 --> 00:48:07.760
<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so the third one is number one. I'm still here.

705
00:48:12.119 --> 00:48:14.440
<v Speaker 1>Number two, I have a blessing for you. Number three

706
00:48:14.559 --> 00:48:16.920
<v Speaker 1>is I can send some over here where I am

707
00:48:16.960 --> 00:48:19.039
<v Speaker 1>that you're struggling with something. You might have asked for

708
00:48:19.119 --> 00:48:21.400
<v Speaker 1>help and they come through and say, I got some

709
00:48:21.480 --> 00:48:23.239
<v Speaker 1>advice for you, or I got some help for you,

710
00:48:23.280 --> 00:48:25.039
<v Speaker 1>I got some idea to you. I'm going to help you.

711
00:48:25.519 --> 00:48:28.239
<v Speaker 1>That in a nutshell is it's like when I tell

712
00:48:28.280 --> 00:48:31.519
<v Speaker 1>my kid, you know, ask Grandma what she thinks about this.

713
00:48:31.880 --> 00:48:34.239
<v Speaker 1>It's usually something we've been, you know, struggling with, so

714
00:48:34.480 --> 00:48:35.960
<v Speaker 1>ask Grandma for help kind of thing.

715
00:48:37.480 --> 00:48:41.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's great. We already covered number four, which is

716
00:48:41.599 --> 00:48:45.400
<v Speaker 2>please help me heal. Yeah. So they're reaching out from

717
00:48:45.559 --> 00:48:49.639
<v Speaker 2>wherever they are, what dimension or after life or whatever,

718
00:48:50.679 --> 00:48:54.920
<v Speaker 2>and saying I could use your help, and they must

719
00:48:55.039 --> 00:48:57.079
<v Speaker 2>pick up that you are at a place where you

720
00:48:57.199 --> 00:49:00.880
<v Speaker 2>maybe can offer some words of healing or some advice.

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00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:01.880
<v Speaker 2>Is that what you're thinking.

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00:49:03.079 --> 00:49:06.679
<v Speaker 1>That's a wonderful way of putting it, and a wonderful perspective.

723
00:49:07.880 --> 00:49:10.800
<v Speaker 1>I think that if you're in a place where you

724
00:49:11.920 --> 00:49:16.000
<v Speaker 1>hear them ask for help, or see or sense or

725
00:49:16.039 --> 00:49:22.400
<v Speaker 1>feel whatever sense it's sensory modality it comes through for you,

726
00:49:23.440 --> 00:49:25.639
<v Speaker 1>then probably they've picked you at the right time in

727
00:49:25.679 --> 00:49:29.119
<v Speaker 1>your life to be able to offer some assistance.

728
00:49:29.559 --> 00:49:30.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

729
00:49:31.440 --> 00:49:33.280
<v Speaker 1>I like that, right, Because someone came to us as

730
00:49:33.360 --> 00:49:35.400
<v Speaker 1>when we were teenagers, or when we were sewing our

731
00:49:35.400 --> 00:49:38.480
<v Speaker 1>wild oats in our twenties, or struggling with making a

732
00:49:38.519 --> 00:49:40.480
<v Speaker 1>living in our thirties, or whatever it was, and we

733
00:49:40.519 --> 00:49:44.599
<v Speaker 1>didn't have much leftover to extend to the other side,

734
00:49:45.039 --> 00:49:46.480
<v Speaker 1>that might not have been the right time for them

735
00:49:46.480 --> 00:49:46.800
<v Speaker 1>to come.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And I haven't had a chance to look thoroughly

737
00:49:51.280 --> 00:49:53.159
<v Speaker 2>through the book, but I would imagine you have case

738
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<v Speaker 2>studies of people who are dealing with these calls in

739
00:49:59.639 --> 00:50:05.000
<v Speaker 2>their own away. That's right, Yeah, which was really really impactful.

740
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<v Speaker 2>Number five is this I'm looking at my trying to

741
00:50:09.199 --> 00:50:10.159
<v Speaker 2>read my hand right here.

742
00:50:11.079 --> 00:50:12.760
<v Speaker 1>I can help you think that read your hand ready.

743
00:50:12.880 --> 00:50:13.800
<v Speaker 1>I remember it's.

744
00:50:13.679 --> 00:50:18.599
<v Speaker 2>Old pain has not been healed. Well.

745
00:50:18.679 --> 00:50:21.039
<v Speaker 1>Number five is a little different. That one's still connected

746
00:50:21.039 --> 00:50:23.440
<v Speaker 1>to Number four. This old pain and this old trauma

747
00:50:23.480 --> 00:50:27.840
<v Speaker 1>hasn't been healed. Number five is when the ancestors come

748
00:50:27.920 --> 00:50:33.840
<v Speaker 1>through and they had a lot of conflict, enmity, hatred

749
00:50:34.320 --> 00:50:37.159
<v Speaker 1>arguments in their waking life, and they're still holding the

750
00:50:37.199 --> 00:50:40.360
<v Speaker 1>grudge and they want you to continue the grudge.

751
00:50:41.079 --> 00:50:44.599
<v Speaker 2>Oh, they want you to be as angry and unhappy.

752
00:50:44.159 --> 00:50:46.880
<v Speaker 1>As you kick up the ball, like the hat Fields

753
00:50:46.880 --> 00:50:50.480
<v Speaker 1>and the McCoys, or the Montagues and the Capculates in

754
00:50:50.639 --> 00:50:54.639
<v Speaker 1>Romeo and Juliet, like from generation to generation the Montagues

755
00:50:54.679 --> 00:50:57.079
<v Speaker 1>and the Capitulates always fight each other, or the Hatfields

756
00:50:57.079 --> 00:51:01.039
<v Speaker 1>and the mcgoys always shoot each other to ample in

757
00:51:01.280 --> 00:51:05.400
<v Speaker 1>the book of something that happened along these lines, and

758
00:51:05.440 --> 00:51:08.199
<v Speaker 1>in this circumstance, if you've got an ancestor coming here

759
00:51:08.199 --> 00:51:10.840
<v Speaker 1>and say, you know, that side of the family, they're

760
00:51:10.880 --> 00:51:13.440
<v Speaker 1>really garbage, and I want you to just own them.

761
00:51:13.760 --> 00:51:17.039
<v Speaker 1>You know, they could come through and say something like

762
00:51:17.079 --> 00:51:21.159
<v Speaker 1>that or I'm you know, paraphrasing. Of course, your job

763
00:51:21.280 --> 00:51:24.079
<v Speaker 1>is not to say, oh, sweetie, you know, let me

764
00:51:24.159 --> 00:51:27.320
<v Speaker 1>help you necessarily. I mean, they might not be amenable

765
00:51:27.320 --> 00:51:33.000
<v Speaker 1>to help anyway. But here you need to have some boundaries.

766
00:51:33.719 --> 00:51:35.800
<v Speaker 1>You need to say, wait a minute, no, the buck

767
00:51:35.880 --> 00:51:39.079
<v Speaker 1>has stopped here. I'm not going to perpetuate ill will

768
00:51:39.320 --> 00:51:42.079
<v Speaker 1>or enmity or hatred. And as a matter of fact,

769
00:51:42.199 --> 00:51:45.000
<v Speaker 1>not only I'm not going to perpetuate it, I'm going

770
00:51:45.079 --> 00:51:47.960
<v Speaker 1>to surround myself with light. I'm going to surround you

771
00:51:48.039 --> 00:51:49.840
<v Speaker 1>with light, and I talk in the book about the

772
00:51:49.880 --> 00:51:53.920
<v Speaker 1>sepher light, sapphire light of healing and protection. But I'm

773
00:51:53.960 --> 00:51:56.840
<v Speaker 1>going to send you back to the source so you

774
00:51:56.880 --> 00:52:00.639
<v Speaker 1>can finish your healing and get past this place where

775
00:52:00.679 --> 00:52:04.199
<v Speaker 1>you're stuck in a grudge. So it's a slightly different

776
00:52:05.880 --> 00:52:09.400
<v Speaker 1>relationship here with this type of ancestral visit.

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00:52:09.880 --> 00:52:13.719
<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's a powerful but very negative influence that

778
00:52:13.840 --> 00:52:17.360
<v Speaker 2>you're the person who's dealing with. It's kind of hairy.

779
00:52:18.000 --> 00:52:22.559
<v Speaker 1>Some families have people that they just don't talk to

780
00:52:23.000 --> 00:52:25.599
<v Speaker 1>or are like, you know, the black Seeds of the family.

781
00:52:26.079 --> 00:52:28.760
<v Speaker 1>They may or may not even know why if it

782
00:52:28.840 --> 00:52:32.480
<v Speaker 1>was not from their like generation or lifestyles. Oh, in

783
00:52:32.519 --> 00:52:35.199
<v Speaker 1>this family, you know, the Smiths of the black Seeds

784
00:52:35.239 --> 00:52:37.159
<v Speaker 1>side of the family. Why, well, we don't know. They

785
00:52:37.199 --> 00:52:40.239
<v Speaker 1>just always have them right. But we don't need to

786
00:52:40.280 --> 00:52:44.599
<v Speaker 1>continue there. This could heal not only our own family lines,

787
00:52:44.639 --> 00:52:48.480
<v Speaker 1>but potentially the world if everyone got behind this, because.

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<v Speaker 2>That's so big here, We're going to take a short

789
00:52:53.760 --> 00:52:57.920
<v Speaker 2>commercial break to allow our sponsors to identify themselves, and

790
00:52:57.960 --> 00:53:01.320
<v Speaker 2>we will return shortly with my guests today, Linda Schieler

791
00:53:01.960 --> 00:53:09.599
<v Speaker 2>discussing her new book Ancestral Dreaming, will be right back.

792
00:53:48.400 --> 00:53:50.679
<v Speaker 2>I guess it is Linda Schiller. She has written a

793
00:53:50.679 --> 00:53:55.360
<v Speaker 2>new book on our ancestors called Ancestral Dreaming, how to

794
00:53:55.400 --> 00:53:58.719
<v Speaker 2>communicate with them and how to work with them for

795
00:53:59.199 --> 00:54:03.119
<v Speaker 2>our own betterment, but also to understand what they are

796
00:54:03.199 --> 00:54:06.920
<v Speaker 2>going through and have been going through in a traumatic fashion.

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00:54:10.880 --> 00:54:13.199
<v Speaker 2>It's so interesting to speak with you, Linda, because this

798
00:54:13.320 --> 00:54:16.800
<v Speaker 2>is so natural for you to be communicating with these

799
00:54:16.840 --> 00:54:21.440
<v Speaker 2>ancestors and having these clients that you're counseling to open

800
00:54:21.800 --> 00:54:25.760
<v Speaker 2>to connect with the ancestors to get this data. It's

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00:54:25.800 --> 00:54:29.119
<v Speaker 2>so matter of fact, and I just I love it

802
00:54:29.199 --> 00:54:31.840
<v Speaker 2>because it's so freeing for me to kind of think

803
00:54:31.880 --> 00:54:37.840
<v Speaker 2>about my relationships and my non communication because I'm you know,

804
00:54:37.880 --> 00:54:40.480
<v Speaker 2>maybe on a subtle level, I'm communicating with my ancestors,

805
00:54:40.519 --> 00:54:42.760
<v Speaker 2>but I'm really not paying attention.

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00:54:44.559 --> 00:54:48.400
<v Speaker 1>Well, I'll tell you something, Cliff. The fact that you

807
00:54:49.239 --> 00:54:52.400
<v Speaker 1>invited me to come here today and that you had

808
00:54:52.519 --> 00:54:56.840
<v Speaker 1>enough interest in this topic to engage in a conversation about.

809
00:54:56.639 --> 00:55:00.280
<v Speaker 2>It means you are on some level.

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00:55:00.920 --> 00:55:03.440
<v Speaker 1>And maybe this is you know, a foot in the

811
00:55:03.480 --> 00:55:05.519
<v Speaker 1>door to wedge it open even further for you.

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00:55:07.920 --> 00:55:12.480
<v Speaker 2>I tell you right, Well, the dream part, I I

813
00:55:12.559 --> 00:55:16.039
<v Speaker 2>really like the dream part because I I think I

814
00:55:16.079 --> 00:55:19.800
<v Speaker 2>can get a lot out of it. The last calling

815
00:55:20.039 --> 00:55:24.079
<v Speaker 2>is carry on my name. Yeah. Now that's and I'd

816
00:55:24.159 --> 00:55:27.000
<v Speaker 2>like you to find that what that means.

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00:55:28.440 --> 00:55:30.719
<v Speaker 1>These are the ancestors that come to us and say,

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00:55:31.559 --> 00:55:37.840
<v Speaker 1>remember me. Tell your children, tell your grandchildren, tell your students,

819
00:55:38.280 --> 00:55:41.559
<v Speaker 1>tell your other people in your life about my life,

820
00:55:42.199 --> 00:55:47.719
<v Speaker 1>my struggles, my gifts in a spiritual and an intellectual

821
00:55:47.840 --> 00:55:51.800
<v Speaker 1>in an emotional sense, and literally remember me. You know,

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00:55:52.119 --> 00:55:57.880
<v Speaker 1>use my dishes at Thanksgiving and tell your family these

823
00:55:57.920 --> 00:56:03.039
<v Speaker 1>were Grandma, you know, Sylvie as dishes. You know this piece,

824
00:56:03.119 --> 00:56:06.320
<v Speaker 1>this saw that I've inherited from My grandfather used to

825
00:56:06.440 --> 00:56:09.719
<v Speaker 1>saw wood with this saw and still works and I

826
00:56:09.840 --> 00:56:13.519
<v Speaker 1>keep it sharp in honor of his woodworking abilities. So

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<v Speaker 1>we're instilling a remembrance and a continuity from generation to

828
00:56:20.519 --> 00:56:25.440
<v Speaker 1>generation to generation. And that's part of what makes us strong,

829
00:56:25.960 --> 00:56:33.280
<v Speaker 1>is feeling these connections we suffer from, particularly since COVID,

830
00:56:33.360 --> 00:56:37.519
<v Speaker 1>but for even longer before that, what the Surgeon General

831
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<v Speaker 1>called an epidemic of loneliness and being cut off from

832
00:56:42.199 --> 00:56:46.360
<v Speaker 1>each other in our world. And we need to as

833
00:56:46.480 --> 00:56:51.880
<v Speaker 1>best as we can create and re establish connection and

834
00:56:51.920 --> 00:56:58.760
<v Speaker 1>affiliation and ties both with our families, our birth families

835
00:56:58.760 --> 00:57:02.119
<v Speaker 1>and our families of origin, and with the broader community

836
00:57:02.639 --> 00:57:07.400
<v Speaker 1>friends as family groups, as family. This is how we

837
00:57:08.239 --> 00:57:12.239
<v Speaker 1>stay together in it as community. And we need community,

838
00:57:12.320 --> 00:57:15.840
<v Speaker 1>whether it's related community or not related community in the world.

839
00:57:16.320 --> 00:57:21.840
<v Speaker 1>So part of having community is remembering what our family

840
00:57:21.920 --> 00:57:26.880
<v Speaker 1>gifts are physically and emotionally and passing those along so

841
00:57:26.880 --> 00:57:29.400
<v Speaker 1>that we remember where we came from and where we

842
00:57:29.440 --> 00:57:30.599
<v Speaker 1>want to go.

843
00:57:30.920 --> 00:57:35.320
<v Speaker 2>That's great for recently departed and memories of you know,

844
00:57:35.360 --> 00:57:39.400
<v Speaker 2>the family treat But what about ancient ancestors, right, how

845
00:57:39.440 --> 00:57:45.199
<v Speaker 2>do we connect with them and carry on their existence?

846
00:57:46.480 --> 00:57:52.519
<v Speaker 1>So do you have grandparents or great grandparents who were

847
00:57:52.559 --> 00:57:59.960
<v Speaker 1>deceased who have anything that is a concrete memory or

848
00:58:00.679 --> 00:58:02.360
<v Speaker 1>artifact from their lives.

849
00:58:02.800 --> 00:58:08.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, my grandfather was a physician and he collected. His

850
00:58:08.639 --> 00:58:11.960
<v Speaker 2>practice was during the Great Depression, Wow, And so they

851
00:58:12.000 --> 00:58:15.719
<v Speaker 2>would trade. He's from part of Central California, so there

852
00:58:15.719 --> 00:58:21.679
<v Speaker 2>were immigrants from China, India, and he would barter or

853
00:58:21.679 --> 00:58:25.199
<v Speaker 2>they would barter very family heirlooms and things like that

854
00:58:25.400 --> 00:58:30.400
<v Speaker 2>for treatment. So he I have all this stuff, but

855
00:58:31.239 --> 00:58:33.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, I remember him. I was in his life,

856
00:58:33.239 --> 00:58:38.000
<v Speaker 2>he was in my life. I wonder how much further back,

857
00:58:39.159 --> 00:58:43.360
<v Speaker 2>I mean one hundred years, one thousand years, and how

858
00:58:43.440 --> 00:58:46.679
<v Speaker 2>I can connect with them and perhaps they're reaching out,

859
00:58:46.800 --> 00:58:49.800
<v Speaker 2>but I don't know them, you know what I mean.

860
00:58:51.480 --> 00:58:55.280
<v Speaker 1>So a comment and then a question. The comment is,

861
00:58:56.039 --> 00:59:01.920
<v Speaker 1>what a wonderful legacy from your grandfather of healing and

862
00:59:02.000 --> 00:59:06.400
<v Speaker 1>making healthcare available to all, right, whether you can pay

863
00:59:06.440 --> 00:59:10.320
<v Speaker 1>you or not. And how valuable these artifacts from China

864
00:59:10.480 --> 00:59:14.199
<v Speaker 1>or India are, way beyond whatever their actual worth is.

865
00:59:14.480 --> 00:59:17.920
<v Speaker 1>That's a symbol of your grandfather's compassion and goodwill and

866
00:59:17.960 --> 00:59:20.679
<v Speaker 1>desire to help, and what a beautiful thing they have.

867
00:59:20.719 --> 00:59:23.639
<v Speaker 1>And remember and to tell other people in your life,

868
00:59:23.719 --> 00:59:26.000
<v Speaker 1>if you have kids, if you have partner, if you

869
00:59:26.119 --> 00:59:29.360
<v Speaker 1>have cousins, whoever in your life is here saying this

870
00:59:29.559 --> 00:59:32.639
<v Speaker 1>was your great what your grandfather got for taking care

871
00:59:32.639 --> 00:59:34.599
<v Speaker 1>of people who didn't have money. What a nice thing

872
00:59:34.639 --> 00:59:39.679
<v Speaker 1>to remember him by. Yeah, yeah, And then the other pieces.

873
00:59:40.840 --> 00:59:45.400
<v Speaker 1>Do you know where your family comes from? You know,

874
00:59:45.480 --> 00:59:46.400
<v Speaker 1>generations ago?

875
00:59:46.440 --> 00:59:49.880
<v Speaker 2>What part of the world, Well, I mean he immigrated

876
00:59:49.920 --> 00:59:54.440
<v Speaker 2>from Germany, Okay, and my mother's said on my father's

877
00:59:54.480 --> 00:59:59.840
<v Speaker 2>side they're English, Okay, you know, but I mean I've

878
01:00:00.119 --> 01:00:05.639
<v Speaker 2>on the test the family tree, but it only goes

879
01:00:06.199 --> 01:00:07.679
<v Speaker 2>so far you know what I mean?

880
01:00:08.360 --> 01:00:11.360
<v Speaker 1>Right, Well, depending on what you want, there's a couple

881
01:00:11.400 --> 01:00:14.440
<v Speaker 1>of things you can do. One is you can do

882
01:00:14.519 --> 01:00:18.199
<v Speaker 1>DNA testing. Right. You can go on ancestry dot com.

883
01:00:18.239 --> 01:00:20.840
<v Speaker 1>You can go I okay, and you can go on

884
01:00:20.880 --> 01:00:22.800
<v Speaker 1>twenty three in me and that'll take you as far

885
01:00:22.880 --> 01:00:29.119
<v Speaker 1>as far as you can. And then if that doesn't

886
01:00:29.159 --> 01:00:32.920
<v Speaker 1>give you the ancest the answers to the questions that

887
01:00:32.960 --> 01:00:37.320
<v Speaker 1>go far enough for you incubate a dream. Yeah, do

888
01:00:37.400 --> 01:00:40.480
<v Speaker 1>some writing about I'm really curious about the German side

889
01:00:40.519 --> 01:00:42.519
<v Speaker 1>of my family or the English side of my family,

890
01:00:42.760 --> 01:00:45.280
<v Speaker 1>and I really want to know more about who they were,

891
01:00:45.719 --> 01:00:49.639
<v Speaker 1>and write that and dream on it night after night

892
01:00:49.800 --> 01:00:53.480
<v Speaker 1>until you get a dream, and then peel back the

893
01:00:53.559 --> 01:00:56.719
<v Speaker 1>layers of the dream. If it's not absolutely clear to

894
01:00:56.800 --> 01:01:00.400
<v Speaker 1>tell you, Oh, from the English side of my face family,

895
01:01:01.039 --> 01:01:05.119
<v Speaker 1>we had people who were carpenters. I'm just making this up.

896
01:01:05.320 --> 01:01:08.480
<v Speaker 1>And you know some of the women on this side

897
01:01:08.480 --> 01:01:11.880
<v Speaker 1>of the family were midwives and that you didn't know,

898
01:01:11.880 --> 01:01:16.320
<v Speaker 1>but it came through somehow in the dream. We have

899
01:01:16.360 --> 01:01:17.920
<v Speaker 1>time to tell you a quick story about that.

900
01:01:18.079 --> 01:01:19.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, we got plenty of time.

901
01:01:19.840 --> 01:01:24.039
<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, I know, so my daughter, Our daughter was

902
01:01:24.039 --> 01:01:27.360
<v Speaker 1>born in China, right, so she's not biologically I read

903
01:01:27.400 --> 01:01:32.960
<v Speaker 1>that iteah, yeah, and so And this is something a

904
01:01:32.960 --> 01:01:36.239
<v Speaker 1>shout out for everyone who has adoption in their family anywhere,

905
01:01:36.280 --> 01:01:38.679
<v Speaker 1>whether it's your kids or you, yourself, or another part

906
01:01:38.719 --> 01:01:43.639
<v Speaker 1>of your family. So when you're doing ancestry, we're paying

907
01:01:43.679 --> 01:01:49.840
<v Speaker 1>attention to the biological ancestry of wherever your child or

908
01:01:49.920 --> 01:01:55.320
<v Speaker 1>relative was from, whether it's domestic or foreign adoption, as

909
01:01:55.360 --> 01:02:00.000
<v Speaker 1>well as the ancestry from your family. So my daughter,

910
01:02:00.119 --> 01:02:03.519
<v Speaker 1>he often will say things like I inherited this from

911
01:02:03.519 --> 01:02:06.159
<v Speaker 1>my dad or I inherit this from you, and she'll

912
01:02:06.199 --> 01:02:08.440
<v Speaker 1>say things, oh, yeah, I have a therapist for a mom,

913
01:02:08.519 --> 01:02:10.519
<v Speaker 1>so that's why I know this. So that's why I

914
01:02:10.559 --> 01:02:14.679
<v Speaker 1>do that, right, But she literally means inherited. She's not

915
01:02:14.719 --> 01:02:17.639
<v Speaker 1>being metaphoric. She's now a young adult too, so but

916
01:02:18.320 --> 01:02:22.239
<v Speaker 1>she knows enough to know. She was brought up. She

917
01:02:22.280 --> 01:02:24.159
<v Speaker 1>was a year old when we brought her home from China,

918
01:02:24.400 --> 01:02:27.320
<v Speaker 1>and so some of her likes and dislikes, her behaviors,

919
01:02:27.360 --> 01:02:30.920
<v Speaker 1>the environment she grew up in is colored by who

920
01:02:31.519 --> 01:02:34.360
<v Speaker 1>her parents are, the punts who raised her, my husband

921
01:02:34.400 --> 01:02:40.039
<v Speaker 1>and I. So that's literally true. And in addition, we

922
01:02:40.079 --> 01:02:43.800
<v Speaker 1>made sure we stayed connected with her Chinese heritage and

923
01:02:43.800 --> 01:02:46.639
<v Speaker 1>her Chinese culture and did all sorts of things while

924
01:02:46.679 --> 01:02:50.679
<v Speaker 1>she was growing up with an ongoing group of other

925
01:02:50.840 --> 01:02:53.119
<v Speaker 1>girls who were adopted from China. We went back when

926
01:02:53.119 --> 01:02:55.960
<v Speaker 1>she was ten years old, he visited. We even went

927
01:02:56.000 --> 01:02:58.960
<v Speaker 1>back to her orphanage where she was before she was

928
01:02:59.440 --> 01:03:02.719
<v Speaker 1>brought home to us. And I sort of joke and

929
01:03:02.760 --> 01:03:05.639
<v Speaker 1>I say, that trip was worth ten years of therapy. Man.

930
01:03:06.400 --> 01:03:09.519
<v Speaker 1>She got so much out of connecting with those part

931
01:03:09.559 --> 01:03:14.519
<v Speaker 1>of her roots as well, and the connection with doing

932
01:03:14.559 --> 01:03:17.639
<v Speaker 1>these like blood tests or saliva tests, twenty three and me.

933
01:03:18.079 --> 01:03:21.039
<v Speaker 1>When she was eighteen, we gave her the gift of

934
01:03:21.039 --> 01:03:23.400
<v Speaker 1>twenty three and ME for her birthday because she was

935
01:03:23.440 --> 01:03:26.159
<v Speaker 1>really curious and interested. And she got a little bit

936
01:03:26.239 --> 01:03:30.559
<v Speaker 1>here and there, you know, nothing too found. But then

937
01:03:30.559 --> 01:03:33.960
<v Speaker 1>a few years later, she gets a Facebook message from

938
01:03:33.960 --> 01:03:38.039
<v Speaker 1>this woman who says, I'm the mom of an adopted

939
01:03:38.079 --> 01:03:41.519
<v Speaker 1>girl from China and I think you might be her cousin.

940
01:03:42.679 --> 01:03:46.199
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, right, And so what happened is they

941
01:03:46.760 --> 01:03:50.320
<v Speaker 1>she's somewhat because there's a Facebook group for adoptees from

942
01:03:50.400 --> 01:03:52.840
<v Speaker 1>China and they were on the same Facebook group. So

943
01:03:53.159 --> 01:03:56.559
<v Speaker 1>long story short, it turns out that this girl and

944
01:03:56.639 --> 01:04:02.239
<v Speaker 1>my daughter their grandmothers, they're Chinese grandmothers, were sisters.

945
01:04:03.320 --> 01:04:05.519
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, small world.

946
01:04:05.840 --> 01:04:10.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so there's another There's several layers of what it

947
01:04:10.199 --> 01:04:16.039
<v Speaker 1>means to inherit and to remember and to pass on

948
01:04:17.199 --> 01:04:21.960
<v Speaker 1>the memory of someone that last piece remember me, right?

949
01:04:22.320 --> 01:04:25.239
<v Speaker 1>How do we remember and honor and honor the people

950
01:04:25.480 --> 01:04:27.079
<v Speaker 1>who we learned from?

951
01:04:27.800 --> 01:04:30.519
<v Speaker 2>And so I guess I'm just entuiting this right now.

952
01:04:30.559 --> 01:04:34.519
<v Speaker 2>So if you're having some bleed through of somebody in

953
01:04:34.559 --> 01:04:40.559
<v Speaker 2>crisis or trauma or wanting to communicate that isn't recognizable,

954
01:04:40.760 --> 01:04:45.000
<v Speaker 2>that's where dream work would come in and you reach

955
01:04:45.039 --> 01:04:47.679
<v Speaker 2>out and go, hey, hi, I'll have an intention to

956
01:04:47.719 --> 01:04:50.559
<v Speaker 2>see who this person is in my in my past.

957
01:04:50.679 --> 01:04:57.519
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm just making this up there, going if

958
01:04:57.559 --> 01:04:59.960
<v Speaker 2>you had any cases like that, Linda, where you had

959
01:05:00.159 --> 01:05:05.920
<v Speaker 2>client that could not discern who this person was that

960
01:05:06.079 --> 01:05:07.119
<v Speaker 2>was trying to reach.

961
01:05:06.920 --> 01:05:10.719
<v Speaker 1>Out, Yeah, so we want to say something and then

962
01:05:10.760 --> 01:05:15.199
<v Speaker 1>answer that question with an example. If someone is having

963
01:05:15.360 --> 01:05:19.559
<v Speaker 1>dreams of a dream figure who's in pain or suffering

964
01:05:19.639 --> 01:05:22.320
<v Speaker 1>or trauma and they don't know who it is before

965
01:05:22.800 --> 01:05:27.280
<v Speaker 1>going in to work on the dream and finding out

966
01:05:27.719 --> 01:05:31.239
<v Speaker 1>more about who that person is and what aspect of

967
01:05:31.760 --> 01:05:36.800
<v Speaker 1>themselves or their family, if an aspect that is, do

968
01:05:37.639 --> 01:05:40.400
<v Speaker 1>take care to do the self protection. And there's a

969
01:05:40.440 --> 01:05:43.719
<v Speaker 1>whole lot of exercises in the book about how to

970
01:05:43.760 --> 01:05:47.760
<v Speaker 1>set your own boundaries, how to surround yourself with healing light,

971
01:05:47.760 --> 01:05:50.239
<v Speaker 1>how to make sure that you don't get quote unquote

972
01:05:50.239 --> 01:05:53.440
<v Speaker 1>contaminated by somebody else's stuff if you're working with pain

973
01:05:53.519 --> 01:05:59.599
<v Speaker 1>and trauma, so make sure you do that first. But yes,

974
01:05:59.679 --> 01:06:02.480
<v Speaker 1>I have an example of someone who I worked with

975
01:06:02.519 --> 01:06:05.920
<v Speaker 1>who we've been working together for a while, and she

976
01:06:06.199 --> 01:06:09.920
<v Speaker 1>had a family history of Holocaust survivors and people who

977
01:06:10.000 --> 01:06:12.760
<v Speaker 1>did not survive the Holocaust as well, and we did

978
01:06:12.760 --> 01:06:16.599
<v Speaker 1>a lot of work with her family history in that line.

979
01:06:17.280 --> 01:06:21.760
<v Speaker 1>But then she had in addition, a dream where she said,

980
01:06:22.039 --> 01:06:24.760
<v Speaker 1>I feel like there's a great deal of pressure on

981
01:06:24.840 --> 01:06:27.519
<v Speaker 1>my chest and it's hard to breathe in the dream,

982
01:06:27.599 --> 01:06:30.639
<v Speaker 1>and I don't know why, and it doesn't feel connected

983
01:06:31.000 --> 01:06:33.760
<v Speaker 1>with any of the known family history that I have.

984
01:06:34.440 --> 01:06:37.199
<v Speaker 1>So we did some dream work, some waking dream work

985
01:06:37.239 --> 01:06:40.360
<v Speaker 1>with the dream, letting her kind of go back inside

986
01:06:40.360 --> 01:06:45.159
<v Speaker 1>the dream while awake and seeing what she can discover

987
01:06:45.320 --> 01:06:48.760
<v Speaker 1>through this process of dream work called the guy a

988
01:06:48.840 --> 01:06:53.000
<v Speaker 1>method guided active imagination approach, which is a Jungian style

989
01:06:53.079 --> 01:06:57.239
<v Speaker 1>of working. And what she came up with was, I

990
01:06:57.280 --> 01:07:01.000
<v Speaker 1>think I was buried alive. I think I was a

991
01:07:01.039 --> 01:07:06.840
<v Speaker 1>witch in a former life. Was that true? We don't know,

992
01:07:07.559 --> 01:07:11.119
<v Speaker 1>but her felt sense was that this could have been true.

993
01:07:11.159 --> 01:07:14.280
<v Speaker 1>And here in Boston, Massachusetts, were just a hop, skip

994
01:07:14.360 --> 01:07:17.599
<v Speaker 1>and a jump from Salem, right where the witch Chials were,

995
01:07:18.159 --> 01:07:23.159
<v Speaker 1>And we know that that's a true part of our history,

996
01:07:23.199 --> 01:07:27.119
<v Speaker 1>particularly in eastern Massachusetts, but I'm sure many other places

997
01:07:27.119 --> 01:07:31.159
<v Speaker 1>in the country as well. So we did the work

998
01:07:31.920 --> 01:07:37.800
<v Speaker 1>as if this had been a lifetime of hers, whether

999
01:07:38.039 --> 01:07:42.039
<v Speaker 1>or not we knew if it was. And after we

1000
01:07:42.079 --> 01:07:43.760
<v Speaker 1>did the work for a while, she never had those

1001
01:07:43.840 --> 01:07:46.440
<v Speaker 1>dreams of feeling hard to breathe, pressure on her chest,

1002
01:07:46.480 --> 01:07:47.440
<v Speaker 1>or being buried underground.

1003
01:07:47.440 --> 01:07:47.679
<v Speaker 3>Again.

1004
01:07:49.239 --> 01:07:53.000
<v Speaker 2>This opens up so many possibilities, this work that you're

1005
01:07:53.360 --> 01:07:58.440
<v Speaker 2>outlining in your book for healing, and I think people

1006
01:07:58.599 --> 01:08:02.840
<v Speaker 2>need to understand that just because we say trauma, it

1007
01:08:02.880 --> 01:08:07.159
<v Speaker 2>could be anything. It could be any type of issue

1008
01:08:07.159 --> 01:08:10.920
<v Speaker 2>that you're having. It could be a particular attitude that

1009
01:08:11.280 --> 01:08:14.440
<v Speaker 2>you need to clean up a little bit. And so

1010
01:08:17.800 --> 01:08:21.199
<v Speaker 2>you're being very direct by designing the book and calling

1011
01:08:21.239 --> 01:08:26.560
<v Speaker 2>an ancestral dreaming. But I think that there and you're

1012
01:08:26.560 --> 01:08:29.560
<v Speaker 2>writing in this book, there's a lot of work that

1013
01:08:30.399 --> 01:08:34.920
<v Speaker 2>should be considered. Is what you're suggesting in this work

1014
01:08:34.720 --> 01:08:39.199
<v Speaker 2>than just fantastic? I want to ask you another question,

1015
01:08:39.239 --> 01:08:41.159
<v Speaker 2>and then I want to get a couple of case

1016
01:08:41.199 --> 01:08:45.079
<v Speaker 2>studies that people can hear about that you can choose

1017
01:08:46.399 --> 01:08:50.199
<v Speaker 2>as we can complete our time together in the book

1018
01:08:50.239 --> 01:08:52.680
<v Speaker 2>you write. The original title of the book was bringing

1019
01:08:52.760 --> 01:08:56.800
<v Speaker 2>Home My Bones. Yeah, and I thought that was fascinating

1020
01:08:56.840 --> 01:09:00.439
<v Speaker 2>because you know, when you leave the planet, all you

1021
01:09:00.479 --> 01:09:01.159
<v Speaker 2>have left.

1022
01:09:01.000 --> 01:09:02.800
<v Speaker 1>Is the bones exactly.

1023
01:09:02.920 --> 01:09:04.600
<v Speaker 2>But talk about that a little bit, will you.

1024
01:09:05.239 --> 01:09:09.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, that was the title that came through to me,

1025
01:09:09.399 --> 01:09:13.319
<v Speaker 1>and I actually wrote a long poem with that as

1026
01:09:13.359 --> 01:09:17.399
<v Speaker 1>the title. And my publisher, though, in their wisdom, said

1027
01:09:17.760 --> 01:09:19.640
<v Speaker 1>no one will know what your book is about. If

1028
01:09:19.640 --> 01:09:22.159
<v Speaker 1>that's the title, you can put that in the chapter title,

1029
01:09:22.199 --> 01:09:24.000
<v Speaker 1>but we can't. We have to name the books so

1030
01:09:24.039 --> 01:09:27.319
<v Speaker 1>people know what it's about. So I, in their wisdom,

1031
01:09:27.520 --> 01:09:29.079
<v Speaker 1>you know, since this is the third book that Lil

1032
01:09:29.079 --> 01:09:31.840
<v Speaker 1>Webbon has published, I said, okay, I'll go with that,

1033
01:09:33.600 --> 01:09:39.520
<v Speaker 1>but exactly what you said, our bones are the scaffolding

1034
01:09:40.159 --> 01:09:43.279
<v Speaker 1>of our physical body, which then hold the container of

1035
01:09:43.319 --> 01:09:49.000
<v Speaker 1>our soul and spirit. Our bones have marrow inside of

1036
01:09:49.039 --> 01:09:56.279
<v Speaker 1>that and marrow holds literally our lifeblood. The stem cells

1037
01:09:56.359 --> 01:09:59.800
<v Speaker 1>that are used for healing and now with modern science

1038
01:09:59.840 --> 01:10:03.079
<v Speaker 1>can used to heal both ourselves and others are found

1039
01:10:03.319 --> 01:10:09.800
<v Speaker 1>in the marrow of our bones. So in many, many traditions,

1040
01:10:09.840 --> 01:10:14.960
<v Speaker 1>both Western and non Western, bones are revered. Bones are

1041
01:10:15.000 --> 01:10:21.000
<v Speaker 1>appreciated as holding life and spirit, and in the Hawaiian

1042
01:10:21.039 --> 01:10:24.560
<v Speaker 1>tradition it's called mana, which is the spirit of the person.

1043
01:10:25.720 --> 01:10:27.760
<v Speaker 1>One story that I told a friend of mine had

1044
01:10:27.760 --> 01:10:31.680
<v Speaker 1>been to Portugal and she went to a monastery, and

1045
01:10:31.720 --> 01:10:38.159
<v Speaker 1>the monastery was built on land. Something else was had

1046
01:10:38.159 --> 01:10:43.000
<v Speaker 1>to be re purposed. That was the cemetery, and they

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<v Speaker 1>dug up the bones of the cemetery, and then monastery

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<v Speaker 1>took them and used them to build the artifice of

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01:10:49.600 --> 01:10:53.399
<v Speaker 1>the monastery. So when you walk in, you walk into

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<v Speaker 1>an archway full of bones, literally of bones, and the

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<v Speaker 1>sign I guess over the the entrance says, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>these bones are here, We're waiting for yours.

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<v Speaker 2>That sounds kind of morbid, but there it is.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's also these bones are part of the eternity

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<v Speaker 1>of us and the title chapter of Ring Home My

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<v Speaker 1>Bones that comes directly from the Judeo Christian Bible. We're

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<v Speaker 1>in Genesis when Jacob and there's famine in the land

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<v Speaker 1>and they have to go down to Egypt to get

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<v Speaker 1>relief from the family, and all the brothers go. Joseph

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<v Speaker 1>is already there, Joseph of the Code of Many Colors,

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<v Speaker 1>He's already there. He's now sort of Pharaoh's right hand guy. He,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, is the most famous dreamer in the

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<v Speaker 1>Bible because he the reason he's Pharaoh's right hand man

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<v Speaker 1>is cle He interprets Pharaoh's dreams, which allows him to

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<v Speaker 1>prepare for the famine. Right the seven Fat Sheep and

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<v Speaker 1>the seven Lean Sheep. Probably some people are familiar with this,

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<v Speaker 1>but anyway, when Jacob goes down with the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>the family, he says, I'm going to die here, but

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<v Speaker 1>bring all my bones back to Canan before you leave.

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<v Speaker 1>And then later Joseph says the same thing, if I

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<v Speaker 1>die here, bring home my bones as well. So there

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<v Speaker 1>is something about the veneration of the bones and the

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<v Speaker 1>connection of bones with spiritual homeland that is very powerful.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we don't all live in the lands that our

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<v Speaker 1>ancestors lived in, or on the land our ancestors lived

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<v Speaker 1>in or are buried in. But can we imagine, can

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<v Speaker 1>we do that metaphorically, if not literally, can we bring

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<v Speaker 1>home the bones of our ancestors so that we are

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<v Speaker 1>maintaining that physical spiritual connection. I sort of use that

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<v Speaker 1>as one word with this lifeblood of our bones and

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<v Speaker 1>our answer.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that. It's funny because I think there's certain

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<v Speaker 2>communities in Europe. These are Old World communities who bury

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<v Speaker 2>their relatives under the house, yeah, or close by, so

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<v Speaker 2>they had that connection. And we're talking, you know, about

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<v Speaker 2>reaching out, and it might make it easier to reach

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01:13:22.439 --> 01:13:26.680
<v Speaker 2>our ancestors because they're so close and they're you know,

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<v Speaker 2>their physical what's left of their physical formats nearby.

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<v Speaker 1>Right. It's a very concrete reminder if your ancestors bones

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01:13:34.720 --> 01:13:41.920
<v Speaker 1>are like in the backyard, right. And in modern ways

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<v Speaker 1>of burial, there's there's what's called green burial now, and

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01:13:44.720 --> 01:13:47.960
<v Speaker 1>there's also cremation, and I think a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>when they choose cremation, keep a little container of the ashes,

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<v Speaker 1>even if they bury the ashes or disperse them over

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01:13:55.520 --> 01:13:59.680
<v Speaker 1>the sas somewhere little little container of ashes stays on

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<v Speaker 1>the mate piece is a reminder.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, amazing. As we close, Linda, can you give

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<v Speaker 2>us a couple of samples, examples, i should say, or

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<v Speaker 2>case studies of clients who were able to connect with

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<v Speaker 2>relative and have a a healing, a solution or whatever

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01:14:23.680 --> 01:14:26.039
<v Speaker 2>communication of some form.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let me just put my attention on that. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>one is that I just I already told you about

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01:14:31.800 --> 01:14:34.159
<v Speaker 1>the woman whose mother said I should never have been

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<v Speaker 1>a mother. I'm a terrible mother.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a wonderful example. Yeah, yeah, I love that. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me think of another one of something a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of another flavor. Well, I'm going to give you

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01:14:50.439 --> 01:14:57.920
<v Speaker 1>two examples. One is my cat, right because cats are

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01:14:58.279 --> 01:15:02.439
<v Speaker 1>and our pets are are for babies too. Many people

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01:15:02.520 --> 01:15:05.720
<v Speaker 1>consider their their animals, you know, part of their family. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>my cat, e Fie, was one of twins we brought home.

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<v Speaker 1>This this sort of match that you actually can see

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<v Speaker 1>them over my shoulder. I don't know if this is

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01:15:13.319 --> 01:15:16.279
<v Speaker 1>live or not, but yeah, there's a picture. This is

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<v Speaker 1>this is this is the boys Effie and Many there

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01:15:19.079 --> 01:15:23.239
<v Speaker 1>were two and Many died a couple of years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>and we have a little cat cemetery in the backyard.

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<v Speaker 1>So over the years cats who have passed away we

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<v Speaker 1>buried them in the yard and have put a little

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01:15:32.000 --> 01:15:36.479
<v Speaker 1>stone there. And one day the one who still left, Fie.

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<v Speaker 1>A couple of weeks after many died, Fie got out

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<v Speaker 1>of the house. We don't let him out much, really,

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<v Speaker 1>We only let him on the death which is fenced

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01:15:45.119 --> 01:15:49.079
<v Speaker 1>because it's too much wildlife in the neighborhood. We get

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<v Speaker 1>out one day and he made a beeline for his

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01:15:52.560 --> 01:15:56.960
<v Speaker 1>brother's grave and he started sniffing around and scratching at

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<v Speaker 1>the dirt.

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<v Speaker 2>Amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>How did he know, I don't know, but it was

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<v Speaker 1>so powerful.

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<v Speaker 2>So he came off the deck in went to the

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01:16:07.000 --> 01:16:09.079
<v Speaker 2>actual ground area where the body.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, he actually we opened the door to like bring

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01:16:11.520 --> 01:16:13.960
<v Speaker 1>in the newspaper or you know, take off the garbage

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01:16:13.960 --> 01:16:16.199
<v Speaker 1>is something, and he scooed it out so he didn't

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<v Speaker 1>jump off the deck. He doesn't jump off the deck

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<v Speaker 1>anymore than God he used to is he's all he's

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<v Speaker 1>an old guy now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah. The book's called Ancestral Dreaming. Heal generational wounds

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01:16:28.760 --> 01:16:34.039
<v Speaker 2>through dreamwork. I guess has been Linda Schieler. I I

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01:16:34.119 --> 01:16:36.840
<v Speaker 2>really enjoyed the work that you have done in this

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01:16:37.600 --> 01:16:40.760
<v Speaker 2>give our listeners a chance to learn more about you.

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01:16:40.840 --> 01:16:44.159
<v Speaker 2>What's your website and what's your social media contacts?

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01:16:44.600 --> 01:16:49.000
<v Speaker 1>Right, So my website is Linda yel Schiller dot com

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01:16:49.039 --> 01:16:52.479
<v Speaker 1>and that's spelled l I n d A y a

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01:16:52.800 --> 01:16:56.359
<v Speaker 1>e l s c h I l l e R,

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<v Speaker 1>so that's all one word dot com. And on the website,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, with the drop down menu, you can learn

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01:17:03.479 --> 01:17:07.159
<v Speaker 1>lots about me, and there's a page for publications. So

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01:17:07.319 --> 01:17:11.520
<v Speaker 1>all three of my books are connected to this website

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01:17:11.840 --> 01:17:14.000
<v Speaker 1>and you can click on. Each of them has their

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01:17:14.000 --> 01:17:18.439
<v Speaker 1>own website as well, so Modern Dreamwork, PTS Dreams, and

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01:17:18.560 --> 01:17:22.920
<v Speaker 1>Ancestral Dreaming, and the website for Ancestral Dreaming has a

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01:17:22.960 --> 01:17:26.560
<v Speaker 1>hyphen because that domain name was already taken, so Ancestral

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01:17:26.640 --> 01:17:29.039
<v Speaker 1>Hyphendreaming dot com. So you can learn more in detail

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01:17:29.119 --> 01:17:33.680
<v Speaker 1>about the books. I have Facebook page Linda Elschuler, I

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01:17:33.720 --> 01:17:39.239
<v Speaker 1>have LinkedIn. I show up on Instagram, even though I'm

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01:17:39.239 --> 01:17:40.600
<v Speaker 1>not sure how I do it sometimes.

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01:17:42.199 --> 01:17:46.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we must have a YouTube channel because you're very outgoing.

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01:17:46.439 --> 01:17:48.960
<v Speaker 2>You do like little online seminars or anything.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, thank you well. I have things that have been

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01:17:52.520 --> 01:17:56.319
<v Speaker 1>taped and put on YouTube, so you can find me

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01:17:56.680 --> 01:18:03.399
<v Speaker 1>on YouTube. Not directly. My skill set doesn't extend to

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01:18:04.159 --> 01:18:09.840
<v Speaker 1>technological our media based things, so I'm very appreciative of

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01:18:09.920 --> 01:18:14.159
<v Speaker 1>people who can do the technical end of things. But

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01:18:14.239 --> 01:18:16.720
<v Speaker 1>I had a book talk a couple of two months

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01:18:16.760 --> 01:18:19.439
<v Speaker 1>ago when the book came out, and that's up on YouTube.

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01:18:19.640 --> 01:18:22.800
<v Speaker 1>They we've foun somebody in the audience filmed it, and

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01:18:23.159 --> 01:18:25.880
<v Speaker 1>a few other things. Other podcasts like yourself or up

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01:18:25.880 --> 01:18:26.680
<v Speaker 1>on YouTube as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, we're we have a YouTube channel for Destiny

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01:18:30.720 --> 01:18:32.239
<v Speaker 2>and you'll be definitely showing up there.

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<v Speaker 1>So oh agreed, Benda.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been a real pleasure having you on the program.

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01:18:35.560 --> 01:18:38.800
<v Speaker 2>Thank you for your time and continue success with this.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's a real nice addition to our ancestral connection.

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<v Speaker 1>That's wonderful. Thank you. Well, I just thought of something.

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01:18:48.840 --> 01:18:49.800
<v Speaker 1>I have a substack.

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01:18:51.560 --> 01:18:53.279
<v Speaker 2>You started writing on a substack.

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01:18:53.439 --> 01:18:55.439
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so you can find me on substack as well.

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01:18:56.479 --> 01:18:58.880
<v Speaker 1>I don't overwhelm people. It's the most. It's like once

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01:18:58.920 --> 01:19:01.439
<v Speaker 1>a month, but there's a bunch up here. If you

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01:19:01.439 --> 01:19:03.920
<v Speaker 1>want to take a look. You won't get an email

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01:19:04.039 --> 01:19:06.039
<v Speaker 1>like every you know, every week or anything from it.

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<v Speaker 2>Good to see fantastic. Hey, continue success and thank you, thank.

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01:19:11.039 --> 01:19:13.840
<v Speaker 1>You same to you. A pleasure talking to you, Cliff.

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01:19:18.000 --> 01:19:21.319
<v Speaker 2>You can get a copy of Ancestral Dreaming on Amazon.

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<v Speaker 2>Spent out about four weeks. Oh, spent out two months,

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01:19:26.560 --> 01:19:29.439
<v Speaker 2>came out in November, more than two months. It came

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01:19:29.479 --> 01:19:33.079
<v Speaker 2>out in November and the and we didn't get a

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01:19:33.119 --> 01:19:36.039
<v Speaker 2>chance to really get into the case studies. But the

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01:19:36.079 --> 01:19:43.000
<v Speaker 2>exercises in the book are easy and I'm going to

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01:19:43.079 --> 01:19:46.279
<v Speaker 2>try a few of them because I need to remember

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01:19:46.319 --> 01:19:49.720
<v Speaker 2>my dreams. I mean, dreams are away for your higher self,

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01:19:49.800 --> 01:19:54.880
<v Speaker 2>your soul, whatever you want to call, your your guides, whatever,

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01:19:55.439 --> 01:19:59.840
<v Speaker 2>to communicate, and sometimes they communicate in your waking hours.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's much more challenging for me because we've got

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<v Speaker 2>our minds on all kinds of things like work and

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01:20:06.760 --> 01:20:10.239
<v Speaker 2>kids and family, friends, things like that. You know. So

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<v Speaker 2>Ancestral Dreaming heal generational wounds through dreamwork. Fun interview. Hey,

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01:20:21.239 --> 01:20:24.600
<v Speaker 2>if you are thinking about spring getaways, come out and

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01:20:24.680 --> 01:20:28.119
<v Speaker 2>join us for the seventh annual Grand Egyptian Tour April

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<v Speaker 2>twenty eighth through May tenth. This is a diplomatic tour

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01:20:31.960 --> 01:20:33.840
<v Speaker 2>and I keep using that term. People go what do

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01:20:33.880 --> 01:20:36.079
<v Speaker 2>you mean what do you mean by diplomatic, Well, it

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01:20:36.119 --> 01:20:39.039
<v Speaker 2>means that you are treated like royalty the minute you

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01:20:39.079 --> 01:20:43.560
<v Speaker 2>step off the plane into Cairo to the moment you

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01:20:43.640 --> 01:20:47.119
<v Speaker 2>return to your plane to fly back home. We treat

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01:20:47.159 --> 01:20:52.439
<v Speaker 2>you like a representative of your city, state, or country.

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<v Speaker 2>And it is a luxurious tour at a very very

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01:20:57.079 --> 01:20:59.720
<v Speaker 2>reasonable price. In fact, our prices are about half the

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01:20:59.760 --> 01:21:05.600
<v Speaker 2>price of regular tours to the country of Egypt. Not

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01:21:05.720 --> 01:21:07.760
<v Speaker 2>only is this a great tour, We're gonna see the

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<v Speaker 2>Grand Egyptian Museum, which is brand newest, a billion dollar museum.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll go see some of the most unique sites, including

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<v Speaker 2>the Great Pyramids, the Sphinx, and many of the and

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<v Speaker 2>this is a new tour for me as well. We're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna see some ancient sites like Tunis Abydos and other

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01:21:28.039 --> 01:21:33.960
<v Speaker 2>sites that have ancient ancient locations, pyramids, temples, and just

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01:21:34.079 --> 01:21:37.079
<v Speaker 2>sites that we can walk up to and interact with.

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<v Speaker 2>For all the details, go to Earth Ancients dot com

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<v Speaker 2>forward slash Tours, look for the banner, click on it. It'll

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<v Speaker 2>give you the twelve day itinerary and it includes a

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01:21:48.720 --> 01:21:51.119
<v Speaker 2>five star cruise on the Nile. And I gotta tell

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01:21:51.159 --> 01:21:53.359
<v Speaker 2>you the Nile cruise by itself is worth the price

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<v Speaker 2>of admission. For all the details go to earth Agents

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<v Speaker 2>have that many spaces left. We only think about twenty

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<v Speaker 2>to twenty five max. So join us Earthasients dot Com,

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<v Speaker 2>Forward slash Tours. All right, that's it for this program.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to think my guest today, Linda Sheiler, has

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<v Speaker 2>always the team of Gail Tour, Mark Foster and Fair Pavar.

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<v Speaker 2>You guys rock all right, Take care every well and

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<v Speaker 2>we will talk to you next time.