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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Sentient Code, where intelligence is engineered, autonomy

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<v Speaker 1>is emerging, and a line between human and machine grows thinner.

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<v Speaker 1>Each episode, we decode the algorithms, explore the robotics, and

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<v Speaker 1>examine the ideas shaping the future of artificial minds.

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<v Speaker 2>I want you to imagine a scenario for a second.

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<v Speaker 2>You are sitting in a doctor's office, and you've just

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<v Speaker 2>been diagnosed with a pretty severe medical condition.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, like a localized tumor, or maybe a dangerous blood

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<v Speaker 3>clot lodged somewhere deep in a really hard to reach

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<v Speaker 3>area of your brain.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly and normally, you know, this is the part where

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<v Speaker 2>you prepare for weeks of just pure anxiety. You picture

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<v Speaker 2>being wheeled into this freezing, sterile operating room.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, being put under heavy anesthesia.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, and enduring this super invasive surgery that will probably

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<v Speaker 2>leave you recovering for months. But instead of handing you

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<v Speaker 2>a massive stack of pre paperwork, your doctor just hands

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<v Speaker 2>you a simple glass of water and a single tiny pill.

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<v Speaker 3>Which is crazy to even picture.

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<v Speaker 2>It is you swallow it, and inside that pill is

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<v Speaker 2>this fleet of microscopic, completely autonomous machines. They just navigate

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<v Speaker 2>directly through your bloodstream, hunt down the exact coordinates of

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<v Speaker 2>the disease cells, and deliver a highly targeted payload of medication.

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<v Speaker 3>And then they heat themselves up just enough to destroy

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<v Speaker 3>the tumor.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and after all that, they just well, they dissolve

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<v Speaker 2>into absolutely nothing.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it sounds like pure science fiction, doesn't it.

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<v Speaker 3>The idea of like shrinking an entire surgical team down

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<v Speaker 3>to the size of a molecule and sending them in

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<v Speaker 3>to do the work.

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<v Speaker 2>From the inside, it really does.

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<v Speaker 3>We've been dreaming about that kind of autonomous internal medicine

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<v Speaker 3>for gosh decades, but it's always felt like a total fantasy.

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<v Speaker 2>But that is exactly what makes our exploration today so

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<v Speaker 2>mind blowing, because this isn't the fantasy anymore. This is

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<v Speaker 2>the reality of a massive breakthrough innovation known as trimag

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<v Speaker 2>micro robot.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's a huge leap forward in minimally invasive medicine,

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<v Speaker 3>it really is.

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<v Speaker 2>And this technology was developed primarily by a system professor

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<v Speaker 2>Jinxing Lie and his team at Michigan State University, alongside

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<v Speaker 2>some amazing partners like henry Ford Health and Arizona State University.

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<v Speaker 3>The collaboration there is just fantastic truly.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, if you are someone who is endlessly

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<v Speaker 2>fascinated by cutting edge tech, or if you're just someone

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<v Speaker 2>who absolutely hates the idea of invasive surgery, which.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's be honest, is literally all of us.

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<v Speaker 2>Right who wants surgery. Yeah, this technology is fundamentally going

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<v Speaker 2>to change how you experience healthcare in the future. So okay,

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<v Speaker 2>let's unpack this because before we can even begin to

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<v Speaker 2>understand how these micro robots cured diseases, we have to

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<v Speaker 2>understand how something physically smaller than a single human hair

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<v Speaker 2>is even built.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. The fabrication process itself is an absolute marvel of

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<v Speaker 3>modern engineering because I mean, you can't just put these

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<v Speaker 3>things together on a tiny microscopic assembly line.

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<v Speaker 2>There are no tiny wrenches involved exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>So the team at Michigan State University's IQ three D

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<v Speaker 3>printing core utilizes this highly advanced technique. It's called two

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<v Speaker 3>photon polymerization.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, two photon polymerization. That sounds in taps.

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<v Speaker 3>It is. It's essentially a high precision three D printing method,

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<v Speaker 3>but it operates on principles of quantum physics and photochemistry.

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<v Speaker 2>So wait, instead of layering melted plastic like a normal

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<v Speaker 2>desktop three D printer you'd have at home. Yeah, how

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<v Speaker 2>does two photon polymerization actually work using light? Right?

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly? You start with a vat of liquid biocompatible hydrogel. Specifically,

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<v Speaker 3>they use these polymers known as PEGDA and PEDA.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, pegda and PEDA. Got it.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, if you shine a normal laser into this liquid,

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<v Speaker 3>the whole path of the beam might just harden. But

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<v Speaker 3>with two photon polymerization, they use these highly focused near

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<v Speaker 3>infrared femtosecond lasers.

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<v Speaker 2>Ooh, femtosecond, so incredibly fast pulses of light.

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<v Speaker 3>Super fast, and the chemical reaction that turns the liquid

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<v Speaker 3>into a solid plastic, well, it only happens at the

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<v Speaker 3>exact microscopic focal point where two photons hit the same

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<v Speaker 3>molecule at the exact same time.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, really, so you could effectively sculpt a solid object

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<v Speaker 2>floating right in the middle of a pool of liquid

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<v Speaker 2>just by crossing lasers at a microscopic point.

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<v Speaker 3>That's exactly it.

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<v Speaker 2>That is just wild. And let me jump in on

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<v Speaker 2>the materials here, because the choice of PEGNA and PEDA

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<v Speaker 2>isn't just random plastic right. These are hydrogels, right, which

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<v Speaker 2>is crucial because if you look air molecular structure, they

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<v Speaker 2>form this highly cross linked, three dimensional web. They are

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<v Speaker 2>basically microscopic.

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<v Speaker 3>Sponges, yes, exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>They're designed to absorb and hold vast amounts of water

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<v Speaker 2>or in this specific case, liquid medication without actually dissolving.

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<v Speaker 2>So you aren't just printing a hard piece of plastic.

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<v Speaker 2>You're printing a bio friendly, absorbent scaffold.

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<v Speaker 3>That is a perfect way to describe it. It's a

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<v Speaker 3>functional scaffold. And the physical shape they're sculpting with those

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<v Speaker 3>lasers is incredible specific too.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, they don't look like what you'd expect.

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<v Speaker 3>No, they don't look like tiny submarines with little propellers.

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<v Speaker 3>They are helical. They basically look like microscopic corkscrews.

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<v Speaker 2>Which honestly makes perfect biological sense because if you look

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<v Speaker 2>at bacteria, like the oldest swimmers of the planet, they

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<v Speaker 2>don't use propellers.

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<v Speaker 3>No they don't.

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<v Speaker 2>They use bacterial flagella, you know, those little whip like

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<v Speaker 2>corkscrew tails. And the reason for that really comes down

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<v Speaker 2>to the physics of moving at a microscopic scale.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the physics get really weird down there totally.

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<v Speaker 2>If you or I jump into a swimming pool. Water

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<v Speaker 2>feels fluid, right, we can push through it pretty easily.

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<v Speaker 2>But to a microscopic robot, the physics completely.

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<v Speaker 3>Change, right because of their size.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly because they're so small, the fluid dynamics what scientists

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<v Speaker 2>call a low Reynolds number environment. Yeah, means blood or

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<v Speaker 2>cellular matrix feels incredibly thick and viscous.

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<v Speaker 3>To them, like trying to swim through a pool of thick.

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<v Speaker 2>Molasses exactly, molasses or honey. It's so dense for.

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<v Speaker 3>Them, precisely so a tiny propeller would just get stuck

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<v Speaker 3>or create useless turbulence. The helical corkscrew shape is mathematically

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<v Speaker 3>and biologically the most efficient way to physically propel through

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<v Speaker 3>that kind of dense environment.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so we have a microscopic medicine soeled sponge shaped

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<v Speaker 2>like a bacterial quarkscrew.

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<v Speaker 3>Yep, that's the chassis.

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<v Speaker 2>But I have to push back here because this is

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<v Speaker 2>where my brain just starts to short circuit. If these

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<v Speaker 2>structures are smaller than a strand of hair, how on

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<v Speaker 2>earth do they fit a motor inside them to make

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<v Speaker 2>that quark screw spin? Like? Where's the battery.

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<v Speaker 3>That is always the most intuitive question to ask, and

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<v Speaker 3>the answer is honestly brilliant. They don't.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't have a motor.

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<v Speaker 3>There is no internal motor whatsoever. There are no tiny batteries,

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<v Speaker 3>no microscopic years, and absolutely no tethers, wires or catheters

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<v Speaker 3>connecting them to the outside world.

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<v Speaker 2>Seriously, seriously, they are completely untethered and entirely passive on

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<v Speaker 2>the inside.

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<v Speaker 3>So how do they move if there's no motor, how

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<v Speaker 3>are they swimming through the molasses?

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<v Speaker 2>They are driven entirely by extra ternal magnetic field. Oh magnets,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, right When doctors apply a precisely controlled rotating

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<v Speaker 2>magnetic field around the patient's entire body, the robots basically

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<v Speaker 2>catch that magnetic wave.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I'm picturing it.

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<v Speaker 2>As the external field rotates in the room, the robots

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<v Speaker 2>spin in sync with it, literally corkscrewing their way through

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<v Speaker 2>bodily fluids, tissues, and narrow anatomical passages.

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<v Speaker 3>That is insane. The motor isn't in the robot. The

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<v Speaker 3>motor is the room the patient is sitting in exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>The external magnets are doing all the heavy lifting.

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<v Speaker 3>But hold on, if we are just driving them with

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<v Speaker 3>giant magnets from the outside. That brings up a massive

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<v Speaker 3>logical problem, which is, how do doctors know where these

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<v Speaker 3>things are? I mean, the inside of the human body

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<v Speaker 3>is dark, it's dense, it's constantly moving.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, It's a very noisy environment. Yeah. So if you

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<v Speaker 2>have a fleet of hair thin corkscrews swimming through someone's liver,

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<v Speaker 2>how do you track them without them just getting hopelessly lost.

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<v Speaker 3>This is exactly what separates this specific break through from

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<v Speaker 3>earlier generations of micro robots. Historically, that was the exact problem.

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<v Speaker 3>They would just get lost in dense biological tissue.

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<v Speaker 2>So how did Jinxinglize team solve it?

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<v Speaker 3>The solution is right in the name of the technology trimag.

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<v Speaker 3>It stands for three distinct magnetic functions integrated into one

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<v Speaker 3>single package.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah okay, three functions, right.

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<v Speaker 3>So we've just covered the first one, which is magnetic

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<v Speaker 3>actuation or movement. To solve the tracking problem, they utilize

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<v Speaker 3>the second function, magnetic particle imaging or MPI.

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<v Speaker 2>MPI okay, and they achieve.

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<v Speaker 3>This by baking magnetic nanoparticles directly into the hydrogel sponge

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<v Speaker 3>while it is being three D printed with the lasers.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's where It gets really interesting because if you ask

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<v Speaker 2>anyone how we look inside the human body, the first

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<v Speaker 2>answer is always an MRI, Right, a magnetic resonance imaging machine.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure, that's the standard.

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<v Speaker 2>But MRIs have a fatal flaw when it comes to

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<v Speaker 2>tracking micro robots. An MRI is fundamentally designed to look

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<v Speaker 2>at the protons in water exactly, And because the human

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<v Speaker 2>body is mostly water and these hydrogel robots are also

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<v Speaker 2>filled with water, trying to spot one with an MRI

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<v Speaker 2>is basically impossible.

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<v Speaker 3>It's completely washed out.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. Think about it, like trying to find a perfectly

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<v Speaker 2>clear glass bead dropped into the bottom of a massive

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<v Speaker 2>swimming pool. The image gets completely obscured. The background noise

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<v Speaker 2>of your own biology just drowns out the tiny robot.

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<v Speaker 3>What a fantastic analogy, and you are absolutely right that

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<v Speaker 3>background tissue interference has plagued microscopic navigation for years.

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<v Speaker 2>So how does MPI fix the glass bead problem?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, this brings us to the genius of the MPI system.

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<v Speaker 3>During that two photon polymerization printing process we talked about,

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<v Speaker 3>the researchers embed nanoparticles of a compound called magnetite.

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<v Speaker 2>Magnetite which is three four.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the one. So basically tiny specks of highly magnetic

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<v Speaker 3>iron oxide.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so iron rust basically, but magnetic.

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<v Speaker 3>What's fascinating here is how an MPI scanner interacts with

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<v Speaker 3>that magnetite. Compared to an MRI, an MPI scanner operates

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<v Speaker 3>on a a completely different physical principle. How so it

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<v Speaker 3>measures the nonlinear magnetization of those specific superpaaramagnetic iron oxide particles.

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<v Speaker 3>In simple terms, it doesn't care about water at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, It.

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<v Speaker 3>Completely ignores biological tissues. It only detects the magnetic tracer.

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<v Speaker 2>So going back to the swimming pool analogy, using NPI

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<v Speaker 2>isn't looking for a clear glass bead anymore. It's like

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<v Speaker 2>turning off all the lights in the pool completely and

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<v Speaker 2>looking for a bead that is glowing like a blinding

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<v Speaker 2>neon sign.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly. The background biology is entirely rendered black on the

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<v Speaker 3>scan and the magnetite nanoparticles shine brightly.

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<v Speaker 2>That's incredibly clever, it really is.

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<v Speaker 3>This provides clinicians with real time, high resolution three dimensional

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<v Speaker 3>imaging with submillimeter tracking accuracy.

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<v Speaker 2>So a billimeter that's precise.

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<v Speaker 3>Extremely It allows them to see exactly where the robots

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<v Speaker 2>We do, but seeing and driving the robots is only

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<v Speaker 3>CoFe two four or cobalt ferret cobalt ferret, got it.

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<v Speaker 3>These specific nanoparticles have a very unique physical property when

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<v Speaker 2>From the rotating field that drives them exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>Once the robot is parked perfectly next to the tumor,

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I need to understand the physics of that. How

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<v Speaker 3>It comes down to a phenomenon known as magnetic histeroresis

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<v Speaker 3>or neal relaxation. Neal relaxation alternating magnetic field is one

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so the field is just vibrating basically exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>And when you expose cobalt ferret to that rapidly flipping field,

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, all that rapid microscopic movement creates intense internal friction,

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<v Speaker 3>Essentially, Yes, aren't we.

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<v Speaker 2>Risking cooking the healthy tissue right next to the tumor.

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<v Speaker 2>That sounds super dangerous.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a very valid concern, and safety is absolutely paramount here.

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<v Speaker 3>But this is exactly where the concept of theirynostics comes

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<v Speaker 2>Their gnostics, so therapy and diagnostics combined.

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<v Speaker 3>You nailed it. It's the seamless simultaneous combination of therapy

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<v Speaker 3>and diagnostics. Because the NPI tracking we just talked about

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<v Speaker 3>is so unbelievably accurate. The doctors know the exact submillimeter

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<v Speaker 3>location of the micro robots. They do not turn on

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<v Speaker 3>that alternating heat generating magnetic field until they can visually

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<v Speaker 3>confirm that the robots are positioned precisely inside or directly

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I get it. So the heating is perfectly isolated

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<v Speaker 2>to the exact coordinates of the tumor.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly this process is called magneto thermal hyperthermia. The internal

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<v Speaker 3>friction of the cobalt ferret rapidly raises the localized temperature

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<v Speaker 3>to about forty two to forty five degrees celsius, which

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<v Speaker 3>is pretty hot. It's highly specific. It is hot enough

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>But because the heat source is microscopic and perfectly positioned,

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<v Speaker 3>it dissipates almost instantly, completely sparing the surrounding healthy tissue.

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<v Speaker 2>That is an incredible level of thermal control. You're basically

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<v Speaker 3>It's incredibly precise.

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<v Speaker 2>But earlier we talked about how the robot itself is

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<v Speaker 2>made of a hydrogel sponge. So it's not just a

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<v Speaker 3>No, it's definitely not. The hydrogel structure is a vital

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<v Speaker 3>part of the therapy itself. Before the robot is deployed

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<v Speaker 3>into your body, that microscopic sponge can be loaded with

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<v Speaker 3>highly concentrated chemotherapy, drugs, therapeutics, or even regenerative compounds.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so you aren't just heating the tumor.

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<v Speaker 3>No, as the hydrogel heats up and interacts with the

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<v Speaker 3>strength medication directly onto the surface of the disease cells.

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<v Speaker 2>Which completely bypasses the absolute nightmare of traditional systemic treatments.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Think about it, when you or a loved one gets

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<v Speaker 2>lining you're perfectly healthy organs.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the collateral damage is awful.

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<v Speaker 2>That is exactly why patients experience such severe agonizing side effects,

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<v Speaker 2>the constant nausea, the immune suppression, the hair loss. But

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<v Speaker 2>with this trimag system, the chemotherapy is effectively trapped inside

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<v Speaker 2>the hydrogel sponge until it reaches the exact coordinates of

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<v Speaker 3>It is the ultimate form of targeted drug delivery. It

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<v Speaker 3>dramatically minimizes those devastating systemic side effects because the healthy

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<v Speaker 3>parts of your body are simply never exposed to the drug.

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<v Speaker 2>So with this incredibly precise seek heat and medicate capability,

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<v Speaker 2>how will this actually change the specific procedures you or

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<v Speaker 3>The clinical applications are vast.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's think ophthalmology for example. Okay, imagine you have a

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<v Speaker 2>a terrifyingly large needle and injecting medication directly into the

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<v Speaker 3>Which nobody wants.

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<v Speaker 2>It's horrible, It is incredibly uncomfortable, it causes immense anxiety,

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<v Speaker 2>and it carries real risks of secondary infection. With this technology,

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<v Speaker 2>instead of a needle, it could literally just be an

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<v Speaker 2>outpatient application of eye drops containing these robots stick to

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<v Speaker 2>drop in the eye. Yeah, you blink them in and

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<v Speaker 2>the external magnets seamlessly guide them through the dense fluid

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<v Speaker 2>of your eye to the exact spot on your retina.

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<v Speaker 3>It is a profound shift in the patient experience. The

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<v Speaker 3>trauma of the intervention is almost entirely removed, and the

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<v Speaker 3>applications extend far beyond the eye.

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<v Speaker 2>Where else are they looking well?

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<v Speaker 3>Doctor Ian Lee, a neurosurgeon from henry Ford Health who

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<v Speaker 3>partnered on this research, he's been heavily involved in exploring

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<v Speaker 3>the neurological applications. Think about brain surgery right now. Accessing

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<v Speaker 3>deep brain regions requires a craniotomy that means shaving the head,

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<v Speaker 3>removing a physical piece of the skull, and navigating surgical

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<v Speaker 2>Right It's major life altering surgery just to get to

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<v Speaker 2>the problem. The recovery alone is brutal, but.

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<v Speaker 3>With trimag micro robots, you could potentially deliver treatments to

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<v Speaker 3>those deep brain regions, or you know, dissolve dangerous blood

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<v Speaker 3>clots from a stroke in real.

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<v Speaker 2>Time without cutting the head open yes.

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<v Speaker 3>Or assist in precise tissue oblations without ever opening the skull.

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<v Speaker 3>You track them in real time with MPI, perform the

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<v Speaker 3>intervention using the localized heat and drug release, and dramatically

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<v Speaker 3>shorten the recovery time from months down to days.

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<v Speaker 2>And the gastro intestinal applications are just as wild to

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<v Speaker 2>think about. Imagine just swallowing a simple capsule full of

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<v Speaker 2>inflammatory ball disease locally just a pill, or even using

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<v Speaker 2>them to perform localized microscopic biopsies in the stomach without

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<v Speaker 2>needing to be sedated. So a doctor can force a

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<v Speaker 3>If we connect this to the bigger picture, what we

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<v Speaker 3>are witnessing is a fundamental historical shift in the medical paradigm.

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<v Speaker 2>How So, for.

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<v Speaker 3>Literally centuries, surgery has been based on the brute force

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<v Speaker 3>concept of cutting the human body open to fix what

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<v Speaker 3>is broken inside.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, taking it apart to fix it.

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<v Speaker 3>This technology shifts us away from that entirely. We are

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<v Speaker 3>moving toward working with the body utilizing its own fluid

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<v Speaker 3>pathways from the inside out.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I love the vision of the future here. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but this all sounds almost, I don't know, too miraculous,

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<v Speaker 2>which means my skeptical alarm bells are ringing loudly. There

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<v Speaker 2>has to be a catch.

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<v Speaker 3>They're always hurdles, of course.

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<v Speaker 2>Like what happens to the robots when the job is done.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's say you successfully destroy the brain tumor. Now you

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<v Speaker 2>have a fleet of microscopic iron and plastic corkscrews floating

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<v Speaker 2>around in a patient's brain or liver. How do we

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<v Speaker 2>get them out? Do we have to drive them all

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<v Speaker 2>the way back out of the body with the magnets.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a great question. But no, the excess strategy is

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<v Speaker 3>actually one of the most elegant, highly engineered parts of

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<v Speaker 2>Really, so they stay inside you.

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<v Speaker 3>Do not have to retrieve them. Remember those pigda and

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<v Speaker 3>peda hydrogel polymers we talked about.

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<v Speaker 2>Earlier und stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>They are entirely biocompatible and essentially edible to the human body.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait edible, well, metabolically speaking. Once the therapeutic mission is complete,

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<v Speaker 3>the body's natural metabolic processes simply begin to break down

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<v Speaker 3>the hydrogen network and the iron oxide components. Oh wow,

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<v Speaker 3>they safely biodegrade over time, leaving absolutely no long term residue,

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<v Speaker 3>no heavy metal toxicity, and they don't trigger adverse immune reactions.

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<v Speaker 2>So they do the job and then they just melt

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<v Speaker 2>away into your biology. That is brilliant.

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<v Speaker 3>It's very clean.

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<v Speaker 2>So what does this all mean for the timeline? Because

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<v Speaker 3>We are definitely not there tomorrow. The technology is currently

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<v Speaker 3>in the rigorous preclinical stage.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, still in the lab. Right.

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<v Speaker 3>The core breakthroughs were recently published in the journal Advanced

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<v Speaker 3>Materials in twenty twenty five, and there is a massive

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<v Speaker 3>wave of public, scientific, and institutional momentum building right now

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<v Speaker 3>into March of twenty twenty six. It's moving fast, it

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<v Speaker 3>is teams across MSU ASU and Henry Ford are aggressively

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<v Speaker 3>pushing the boundaries.

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<v Speaker 2>But the core proof of concept is absolutely there. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>The animal models they've utilized are highly promising, Yes, very

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<v Speaker 2>much so. They haven't just done this in a Patriot dish.

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<v Speaker 2>They've successfully navigated these robots through the dense matrices of

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<v Speaker 2>poresigine I fandoms, through actual pig brain tissue, and they've

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<v Speaker 2>even tracked them functioning inside this stomachs of living mice.

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<v Speaker 3>That stomach study was incredible.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they co registered the MPI tracking with traditional CT

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<v Speaker 2>scans to physically prove the submillimeter accuracy. The physics work,

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<v Speaker 2>the biology.

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<v Speaker 3>Works, it absolutely does. The foundational science is entirely sound.

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<v Speaker 3>But this raises an important question about the practical, real

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<v Speaker 3>world hurdles that remain before human trials, like what, Well, first,

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<v Speaker 3>there is manufacturing scaling, the two photon polymerization three D

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<v Speaker 3>printing process. To mass produce millions of perfectly identical, highly

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<v Speaker 3>calibrated microrobots quickly and cheaply is a significant engineering challenge.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh sure, printing one is different from printing a million, exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>Furthermore, human anatomies are incredibly diverse. What works flawlessly in

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<v Speaker 3>a highly controlled, uniform mouse model needs to be absolutely

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<v Speaker 3>blood pressures, and fluid dynamics.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, everybody's internal plumbing is a little bit different. And

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<v Speaker 2>then there is the massive elephant in the room, which

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<v Speaker 2>the infrastructure.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly. You can't just hand a doctor a vial of

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<v Speaker 3>micro robots and a standard clinic and say good luck. No,

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<v Speaker 3>Hospitals will need to radically adapt their physical infrastructure. They

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<v Speaker 3>will need to build entirely new specialized surgical suites equipped

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<v Speaker 3>with massive room sized external magnetic manipulation systems and highly

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<v Speaker 3>sensitive MPI scanners just to drive and track these things.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a massive investment, it is.

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<v Speaker 3>And of course, navigating the rigorous multi phase FDA approval

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<v Speaker 3>process for a medical device this novel will require extensive

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<v Speaker 3>long term safety and efficacy trials.

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<v Speaker 2>It is remarkably steep mountain to climb, there is no

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<v Speaker 2>denying that, but the view from the top is genuinely revolutionary.

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<v Speaker 3>I completely agree.

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<v Speaker 2>We are talking about scaling down the entire concept of

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<v Speaker 2>a surgical suite from a massive, sterile room filled with

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<v Speaker 2>exhausted surgeons and sharp metal instruments, down to the size

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<v Speaker 2>of a pill you can hold on the tip of

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<v Speaker 2>your finger.

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<v Speaker 3>Profound.

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<v Speaker 2>It's about democratizing advanced care, making life saving interventions safer,

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<v Speaker 2>vastly faster, and eventually, through the mass scalability of three

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<v Speaker 2>D printing, much cheaper for the average person. It takes

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<v Speaker 2>the visceral terror out of the word surgery.

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<v Speaker 3>It really does. And you know, as we move toward

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<v Speaker 3>this inevitable future of smart, autonomous medical tools, it leaves

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<v Speaker 3>me with a lingering, slightly unnerving thought about the technological

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<v Speaker 3>implications of this shift.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh what kind of thought.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, if we successfully transition to a medical system where

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<v Speaker 3>our deepest internal biology is treated and manipulated entirely by

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<v Speaker 3>external computer controlled magnetic fields, what happens to the cybersecurity

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<v Speaker 3>of the human body?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, that is a terrifying pivot.

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<v Speaker 3>Think about it. We already worry about hackers compromising hospital

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<v Speaker 3>databases to steal patient.

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<v Speaker 2>Records, Right, yeah, happens all the time.

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<v Speaker 3>But in a future where trimag robots are standard care,

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<v Speaker 3>a compromised hospital network wouldn't just mean lost data.

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<v Speaker 2>No.

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<v Speaker 3>If bad actors gain control of the magnetic actuation systems

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<v Speaker 3>while a patient is in the suite, they are literally

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<v Speaker 3>taking remote control of the physical machines navigating inside your bloodstream.

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<v Speaker 2>That is just terrifying.

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<v Speaker 3>Securing our medical infrastructure is going to have to evolve

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<v Speaker 3>from protecting information to literally protecting our physical biology from

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<v Speaker 3>digital interference.

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<v Speaker 2>That is a deeply fascinating and admittedly chilling question to

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<v Speaker 2>sit with. A future where the most devastating physical diseases

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<v Speaker 2>are cured with microscopic precision, but where our very biology

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<v Speaker 2>becomes intrinsically linked to the security of our computer networks.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a brave new world.

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<v Speaker 2>It is an incredible complex horizon to look toward. Thank

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<v Speaker 2>you so much for joining us as we explore the

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<v Speaker 2>microscopic frontier of medicine today. Keep wondering, keep questioning, and

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<v Speaker 2>we'll catch you next time.
