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Speaker 2: Here's your host, Scott Bogmin. Welcome back to the war room.
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Speaker 2: my friend oh c K at c op I E
Speaker 2: p s on the Twitter machine. And today we're gonna
Speaker 2: be talking about the linebacker prospects for this class. Linebackers today,
Speaker 2: DB's tomorrow and then Draft on Thursday. Everything is gonna
Speaker 2: be ready for you. We do have a discussion that happened.
Speaker 2: We recorded our episode of Defensive Lineman on Saturday, and
Speaker 2: maybe fifteen minutes after we had shut off the mics
Speaker 2: and I knew I was gonna post that show on Monday,
Speaker 2: Dexter Lawrence got traded to Cincinnati. So let's talk about
Speaker 2: the impact of that trade before we dive in on
Speaker 2: the linebackers. Here c K since he gets up, you know,
Speaker 2: the best interior defender in the league, which I hate obviously,
Speaker 2: but good move for them. I didn't like the one
Speaker 2: year extension of twenty million. If you're going to trade
Speaker 2: a top ten pick to the Giants, this is the
Speaker 2: trade to get out of this class. Like, I think
Speaker 2: this was a very good move by the Bengals overall.
Speaker 2: I thought it was weird that they limped at the extension.
Speaker 2: Hopefully they get a better one than that down the
Speaker 2: road here. But now the Giants have two top ten picks,
Speaker 2: So if Jeremiah Love gets to them, he's definitely going
Speaker 2: with that first pick.
Speaker 3: I feel like, yeah, I think he goes to the
Speaker 3: in the first pick. I also think don't be surprised
Speaker 3: if Kanen McDonald goes in the top ten. We talked
Speaker 3: about Kaden McDonald a lot like that they had to
Speaker 3: replace Dexter Laurence. I mean we said it, we speculated
Speaker 3: on Dexter Lauren's trade. I think you said, I said Vegas,
Speaker 3: You said Vegas. One of us said the charger or
Speaker 3: something like that. And then he went to Cincinnati here
Speaker 3: for just pick ten. But it was already a bad
Speaker 3: room in the interior before that, and now they have
Speaker 3: it's just Roy Robertson Harris and friends in there, so
Speaker 3: we've got to get something in the interior. I think
Speaker 3: Aiden McDonald makes a lot of sense there. I also
Speaker 3: completely agree that one year, twenty eight million dollar extension
Speaker 3: is odd. I guess it appeases Dexter Lawrence for now
Speaker 3: and has him show up to all of the offseason work.
Speaker 3: And this is like the if you're building a fantasy
Speaker 3: team like Scrubs and Studs approach, we are spending so
Speaker 3: much of our cap on Joe Burrow, T Higgins, Jamar Chase,
Speaker 3: and Dexter Lawrence. If you're a Bengals fan, like that
Speaker 3: is a ton of cap space devoted to just four
Speaker 3: awesome players.
Speaker 1: I get it.
Speaker 3: But filling out the rest of your roster, you got
Speaker 3: to nail some of these draft picks, and you just
Speaker 3: gave up one of them, because that's that's tough when
Speaker 3: you're playing so much to just four players.
Speaker 1: But I get why the Bengals did it.
Speaker 3: I don't think I would have been the one who
Speaker 3: wanted to necessarily pull a PI trade for a top
Speaker 3: pick for Dexter Lawrence.
Speaker 1: But improves their defense for sure.
Speaker 2: So they have picks five, ten, and thirty seven, but
Speaker 2: no third round pick, so their picks drop from thirty
Speaker 2: seven to one oh five. So maybe they could get
Speaker 2: a defensive tackle at thirty seven, but there's very few
Speaker 2: in this class, as we mentioned in the last episode, right,
Speaker 2: the first rounders that we had according to Monk Draft
Speaker 2: data base were just Peter Woods and Kate McDonald and
Speaker 2: they were in twenty eight and thirty right, so they're
Speaker 2: very low. The second round had also only three guys.
Speaker 2: It was Caleb Banks. Maybe he slips down there, that
Speaker 2: would be That would be killer, dude if they got
Speaker 2: If they got like VPA BPA, which I'm assuming is
Speaker 2: love and then a defensive player or a wide receiver,
Speaker 2: and then they were able to get Caleb Banks at
Speaker 2: thirty seven would be awesome. Christian Miller might be down
Speaker 2: there to Lee Hunter, and then you know after that
Speaker 2: it's Big Citrus, Grayson Halton, Daryl Jackson. Too high for
Speaker 2: thirty seven. So yeah, I mean maybe Kateen McDonald. That
Speaker 2: was the one name that popped to me that I
Speaker 2: was like, maybe they reached from at ten. But what
Speaker 2: they should do is they should trade back again with
Speaker 2: that ten overall pick. If somebody wants to come up there,
Speaker 2: but not a great class, so who wants to come
Speaker 2: up to ten. Maybe Caleb Downs is selling the board,
Speaker 2: maybe something like that, someone would want to do it.
Speaker 2: But if he's selling the board, they should take him.
Speaker 3: So yeah, now that would help him with a lot too,
Speaker 3: So good for the Giants going to control the draft here,
Speaker 3: we'll see where they end up going.
Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about some linebackers, and you know, obviously
Speaker 2: going to be a shorter show on the linebackers. There's
Speaker 2: not nearly as many. Let's go over who needs linebackers first,
Speaker 2: and I have these split up into a couple I
Speaker 2: think four categories. Guy could upgrade both starters. Every starter
Speaker 2: need an upgrade at at least one spot, then need depth,
Speaker 2: and then teams that are all good at linebacker, Actually
Speaker 2: have your boys all good at linebacker. You've got say,
Speaker 2: you're Franklin, Edrean Cooper, Isaiah McDuffie, Tyron Hooper, Nicknamon, and
Speaker 2: Christian Welsh like and it's only McDuffie as a free
Speaker 2: agent of the guys that are even rotational there. So
Speaker 2: I think the Packers are actually all good at linebacker, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been a while, and it's been a while
Speaker 3: they they worked at that one. Theedrick Cooper one was
Speaker 3: a big hit. So that was a good starting point there.
Speaker 2: The other teams that I have that are all good
Speaker 2: at linebacker, Chicago's got Devin Bush, TJ Edwards, Marco Jackson, Nosool,
Speaker 2: Jack Sanborn, and I don't know why I put so
Speaker 2: Nephew Sool. I just got the name doubled up here Denver,
Speaker 2: Alex Singleton, Justine Strand, Drew Sanders, Jordan Turner, Karen Reid.
Speaker 2: I think they're okay. Maybe they need a little depth there. Vegas.
Speaker 2: They signed Walker in Nacobe Dean, they saw Tommy Eikenberg
Speaker 2: and Cody Lindenberg. So I think they're okay. And I
Speaker 2: think Philly is all right with even though they did
Speaker 2: let Nacobe Dean go. But Zack Bond, Jahad Campbell, Smile London,
Speaker 2: and Jeremiah Charter Junior. I think they're doing okay at
Speaker 2: linebacker any disagreements on those.
Speaker 3: It's interesting to see Vegas on here because going in
Speaker 3: that would have been maybe their biggest need. But green Bay, Vegas,
Speaker 3: and Philadelphia all tied together here to Kobe Dean going
Speaker 3: to Vegas and way Walker going to Vegas from Green
Speaker 3: Bay and Philadelphia. But we still like the plans, the
Speaker 3: replacements they had in place with g Hid Campbell and
Speaker 3: then the Packers making them move for Zyar Franklin.
Speaker 1: So no, I don't think I can disagree with any
Speaker 1: of those.
Speaker 2: Maybe Chicago if Devin Bush like gets hurt again or
Speaker 2: just like reverts back to the meme, maybe them, But
Speaker 2: I think they're okay. The teams that I have the
Speaker 2: need depth, not a ton here. I have Cleveland because
Speaker 2: behind Schweesssinger and Quincy Williams, just and Daniel Watson and
Speaker 2: Ulo Shioh the guy from Buffalo, a lot of fun
Speaker 2: to watch, hard to pronounce his name. Kansas City, I
Speaker 2: think it's doing okay with Bolton and Tranquill, but Trent
Speaker 2: Quill's a free agent, so it's Jeffrey Bossa, Chack Cochrane,
Speaker 2: Cole Christiansen after him, and I have New England here
Speaker 2: after Splain it's everyone's a free agent. Next year it's
Speaker 2: Christianella's Chad mouvemak kJ Britt and then New Orleans. I
Speaker 2: don't know New Orleans I have it, just need depth.
Speaker 2: They could also replace both starters, I guess if you wanted.
Speaker 2: But Pete Warner and Kate and nellis grated pretty well.
Speaker 2: They spent a pick on Stutsman last year, so I
Speaker 2: think their top three are pretty good. They have Stallburn
Speaker 2: and four there as well. Disagree with any of those
Speaker 2: in need depth.
Speaker 3: I would maybe just move I would maybe move New
Speaker 3: England up because Christianallis doesn't necessarily always he plays like
Speaker 3: this hybrid linebacker edge role anyway, so he's not always
Speaker 3: just playing linebacker. So it's really just Big Bob's Blayne
Speaker 3: and Chad Muma and Splain's awesome. Christian Ellis if he's
Speaker 3: just playing a traditional linebacker, I guess it's fine that
Speaker 3: New Orleans. I'm just not a Pete Werner guy. It's
Speaker 3: not my dude, But yeah, he's he is fine for
Speaker 3: what he is, and it is a perfectly average player.
Speaker 1: And they can say that about a lot of their guys.
Speaker 3: But no, I mean, I think Cleveland for sure nailed
Speaker 3: the Carson s question for pick. Congratulations to them, but
Speaker 3: you got to have a replacement just in case something
Speaker 3: happens to Carson Spushner and Quincy Williams and it is
Speaker 3: not Nathaniel Watson. I like Nathaniel Watson, but he's he's
Speaker 3: more special teams than anything.
Speaker 1: You don't want him on the field.
Speaker 2: End defense agreed. Then there's I have a bunch of
Speaker 2: teams that need and upgrade at at least one spot,
Speaker 2: So we'll go to them in chunks here. Let's start
Speaker 2: with Baltimore, Carolina, Detroit and Jacksonville as your top four
Speaker 2: rokwand but next to him it's either Teddy Buchanan or
Speaker 2: Trenton Simpson. Carolina did sign Devin Lloyd, but behind him
Speaker 2: it's Trevon Wallace Claude and Cherless Van Martin Scott. It's ugly.
Speaker 2: Detroit has Jack Campbell, Malcolm Rodriguez and Damon Clark, the
Speaker 2: only three on the roster. All are free agents next year.
Speaker 2: Jacksonville has a Luken but behind him is Ventra Miller,
Speaker 2: Dennis Gardak, who's more that like edge Tweeter type, and
Speaker 2: Jack Kaiser. The Chargers have Henley and Pairman played well
Speaker 2: last year and they still have Junior Colson, but Henley
Speaker 2: Impairman are both UFA's next year. Troy Die also a
Speaker 2: free agent next season. So let's just start there with
Speaker 2: those teams. I think I added the Chargers in there,
Speaker 2: so that was five. But so what are your thoughts
Speaker 2: on these teams and who is the most desperate for
Speaker 2: that second linebacker?
Speaker 3: I think it's got to be Baltimore Roquan's the man,
Speaker 3: but Trenton Simpson just has not developed anything close to
Speaker 3: what we thought was possible with him. And Teddy Buchanan
Speaker 3: was a fine pick as far as a upside shot,
Speaker 3: I guess towards the end of the draft last year.
Speaker 3: But I don't want to start him on a starting
Speaker 3: NFL defense at this point. So I would say Baltimore,
Speaker 3: which I'm sure is music to your ears.
Speaker 2: Jacksonville coming up with a lot of needs sneaking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3: I kind of like that, Carol Carolina. I might Treva
Speaker 3: Walsh just can't cover. He's a great tackle player who
Speaker 3: just cannot cover a lick at all at this point.
Speaker 3: The Chargers Kyle Lewis, Yeah, exactly, the Chargers Junior Colson.
Speaker 3: I just thought we would see him. He just never
Speaker 3: got on the field yet. For him, we never I
Speaker 3: thought that one was a lock and loaded player when
Speaker 3: Hardball selected him, and it's just never developed.
Speaker 2: His own guy who led the defense at Michigan when
Speaker 2: they won the Natty, and he can't get on the fields.
Speaker 3: Crazy get on the field, So until we see it,
Speaker 3: we can't trust that he's any good at it. So
Speaker 3: I like Diane Henley, but Denzil Paraman again is just
Speaker 3: kind of his. A lot of these guys are individual
Speaker 3: They have one skill. They can either really good tackler
Speaker 3: or they can cover or whatever. They're just not well
Speaker 3: rounded players, and that's why you have him on here.
Speaker 3: Steed an upgrade at one spot. So if I had to,
Speaker 3: I think it's Baltimore, but the other one I do
Speaker 3: kind of like Jacksonville. I like Bevenoe Miller, but that's
Speaker 3: just me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they like Kaiser, so maybe I need
Speaker 2: to like jack Keyser.
Speaker 1: Do I think let's.
Speaker 2: See a couple more teams here. I think we have
Speaker 2: like nine more teams. But Miami is Jordan Brooks, Tyrol Dotson,
Speaker 2: Willie Gay all are free agents after this year. Ronnie
Speaker 2: Harrison and then Minnesota it's Blake Cashman. Eric Wilson played well,
Speaker 2: getting a little long in the tooth. Ivan Pace is
Speaker 2: a free agent after this year, as is Cashman. I
Speaker 2: have the Giants here as well. They did sign Tremaine Edmonds,
Speaker 2: but Michael McFadden wasn't good. Say your bonds is behind him.
Speaker 2: They're both free agents after this season. The Jets, it's
Speaker 2: Jamie Sherwood who's been really solid. I know they like
Speaker 2: Keiko Malnoa, but they did sign to Mario Davis. But
Speaker 2: the Morio Davis is like my age, so that's not
Speaker 2: very good. And then my Steelers, Patrick Queen's a freegent,
Speaker 2: Cole Holcomb's a free agent. Peyton Wilson has had injury issues.
Speaker 2: So going with that five, Miami, Minnesota, the Giants, the Jets,
Speaker 2: and the who do you think needs a linebacker the most?
Speaker 3: I would say of those it's probably the Jets. Jamien
Speaker 3: Sherwood might be the best player in that group of
Speaker 3: five as far as linebacker is concerned. But behind Jamian Sherwood, yes,
Speaker 3: Tomorow Davis is fine, but he fits. There's absolutely no
Speaker 3: fit as far as like the timeline that the Jets
Speaker 3: are playing on right now, right to you don't expect
Speaker 3: the Jets to be competitive for at least this season
Speaker 3: and probably not even the next season after that, and
Speaker 3: by then Tomorrio Davis is Maybe he's still good at
Speaker 3: that point, but I'd be pretty shocked if he's not
Speaker 3: out of the NFL in two years. Miami, they just
Speaker 3: find themselves on this list all the time. Jordan Brooks
Speaker 3: is an okay defender. But beyond that, like I said,
Speaker 3: he's also for agent after this year. Got to start
Speaker 3: a plan on there. Ivan Pace is really regressed after
Speaker 3: that initial season to the point where he looks more
Speaker 3: like a special teams player for Minnesota and Blake Cashman,
Speaker 3: he said, getting along in the tooth and you're guys
Speaker 3: like you're you're a Steelers fan. You tell me, are
Speaker 3: you happy with what you got out of Patrick Queen?
Speaker 2: Absolutely not. No. He was playing better to start the
Speaker 2: year and then went right back to playing like garbage.
Speaker 2: Like I've had enough of Patrick Queen. I wouldn't be
Speaker 2: shocked if they released him before the season started. And
Speaker 2: but a tell to that would be, you know, if
Speaker 2: they take c J. Allen, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So if they take a linebacker with that first pick
Speaker 2: or a second pick, I think Queen is gone. Our boy.
Speaker 2: Andrew Erickson just he told me today he put a
Speaker 2: seventeen to one ticket on the Steelers to draft a
Speaker 2: linebacker in the first round, So not bad. I think
Speaker 2: it's going to be if. I think it's gonna be
Speaker 2: a guard, So we'll see. But yeah, they definitely need something.
Speaker 2: And I love Peyton Wilson, but the dude has had
Speaker 2: issue staying on the field. Seattle, Ernest Jones, Drake Thomas,
Speaker 2: Tyrese Knight. I would say they're all fine, but there's
Speaker 2: just no impact there really. San Francisco, it's Fred Warner
Speaker 2: and nobody. I mean, it's de Winters and Dray Greenlaw
Speaker 2: the corpse of dra green Law, and they're both for
Speaker 2: agents after this season. Tatum Bethune after him, Luke Gifford.
Speaker 2: They tried all these guys last year when Warner went down.
Speaker 2: None of them work, so they need extra. They need
Speaker 2: at least one linebacker in this class. A lot of
Speaker 2: defensive needs for the Niners. My god, they have nothing
Speaker 2: next to Bosa the interior. The defensive line is terrible
Speaker 2: and they have one linebacker. So the secondary might be
Speaker 2: the best part of this team. And this is the
Speaker 2: thing that I know, our boy the Welsh bitched about
Speaker 2: so much was the secondary going into last year, and
Speaker 2: it seems like that might be the best part of
Speaker 2: the team. Tampa Bay they have Alex Angelone and they
Speaker 2: sign They did also sign Christian rose Boom. It was
Speaker 2: kind of a you don't want him the start, But
Speaker 2: I would say the same about Savassi A Dennis. I
Speaker 2: don't want him to start anymore, so they definitely need one.
Speaker 2: And in Tennessee, Ceder Gray was great, Cody Barton was not.
Speaker 2: Cody Barton seems to have like just maybe lost to
Speaker 2: step He wasn't the linebacker for a long time. But
Speaker 2: he's just getting a little bit older here. And then
Speaker 2: behind them it's Deabdi and James Williams and Dorian malse
Speaker 2: Like it's just not no, not very good. So Seattle,
Speaker 2: San Francisco, Tampa Bay, Tennessee, who's most desperate?
Speaker 3: Oh, you healed it with San Francisco, they are very
Speaker 3: desperate on anything to stop the run.
Speaker 1: And that's what we've been saying in a lot of
Speaker 1: these is that they cannot.
Speaker 3: Stop the run, and it's the line combined with the
Speaker 3: linebackers behind the Fred Warner is still the man, but
Speaker 3: he can't do it all by himself. And when he
Speaker 3: does try to do it all by himself is when
Speaker 3: he gets nicked up and then he misses games. And
Speaker 3: Tampa Bay adding Alex Anzelo and helped because we've been
Speaker 3: talking about Tampa Bay's linebacker room for a while as
Speaker 3: far as being bad, and maybe we hear if Levante
Speaker 3: David just said he's he's retired.
Speaker 1: Yep, he's done.
Speaker 3: How a press conference the whole thing, he's done otherwise,
Speaker 3: because you know, he could always sign light and come back.
Speaker 1: But if he's done, he's done. And we've never seen.
Speaker 3: The hope has always been that Servasi Dennis would be
Speaker 3: a step up and done it, and we've never seen it.
Speaker 3: So alex An's alone not good enough to just step
Speaker 3: in and replace Levante David. I kind of hope Tednessy
Speaker 3: just takes advantage of the fact that they got Cedric Gray,
Speaker 3: and they get him like a CJ. Allen if he's
Speaker 3: there in early in the second round, and that's that's
Speaker 3: how we build this team, Like let's get to lockdown
Speaker 3: linebackers and and we've got a couple of pass rushers.
Speaker 3: We get one early there with David Bailey.
Speaker 1: And let's go in with the defense.
Speaker 3: And but you know, I'm not in charge of it,
Speaker 3: but CedarA Gray looked awesome, and I kind of hope
Speaker 3: they build in give him some help.
Speaker 1: Next to him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't be shocked if they took
Speaker 2: Sonny Styles, to be honest with Yeah, Yeah, I wouldn't
Speaker 2: be surprising at all. And then these aren't even the
Speaker 2: teams that need a linebacker the most, by the way,
Speaker 2: and there's a lot of teams that have real big
Speaker 2: gans a linebacker Arizona could replace Cody Simon and Mack Wilson.
Speaker 2: So behind them is Jack Gibbons. So they have guys
Speaker 2: with the experience that have played before. But it's ugly
Speaker 2: Atlanta as Christian Harris, to Vine Diablo, Troy Anderson, j
Speaker 2: t bertrand Channing tendall all below average, not the starting
Speaker 2: guys that you want. Buffalo Treil Bernard was awful last
Speaker 2: year and behind him it's Dring Williams and Joe Andresen
Speaker 2: for Cincy Dimitrice Night, Barrett Carter are young. I don't
Speaker 2: think they addressed this position, you know, quickly. We know
Speaker 2: they don't do it a number because they traded it,
Speaker 2: but I don't think they do this quickly. And I
Speaker 2: think it's probably gonna be Night in Barack Carter again.
Speaker 2: Hopefully they just improve because they're young players. Indy really
Speaker 2: bad here, probably the worst in the league, honestly, because
Speaker 2: it's a king. Davis Skather, Austin Ashiake, Jalen Carlais, John bullet.
Speaker 2: It is disgusting, one of their biggest needs, and they
Speaker 2: don't have a first round pick. Nicoles have to get
Speaker 2: a linebacker. Dallas. I love de Demarvian Overshown, but he
Speaker 2: came off a huge injury. He was fine. I think
Speaker 2: he will get better and be acceptable, but he's a
Speaker 2: free agent after this year. So it's just Shamar James
Speaker 2: and Justin Barron on the roster right now, and he
Speaker 2: just bodies. I don't particularly like either the Rams guys.
Speaker 2: They graded well. Spates was good, but he's a free
Speaker 2: agent after this year. Nate Landman, I maybe he graded fine.
Speaker 2: Maybe I just watched it the wrong time. Every time
Speaker 2: I watched Nate Landman, he's missing a tackle and getting
Speaker 2: torched the passing game, So I don't know how he
Speaker 2: graded so high. I watched a lot of Rams football
Speaker 2: down the stretch and he was terrible, so maybe he
Speaker 2: was hurting the playoffs. Maybe that was it, but he
Speaker 2: played bad. And then Houston Henry Toyota's He's all share
Speaker 2: still good linebackers, so is hej Speed. But everybody's a
Speaker 2: free agent on this roster except for J Kummell, a
Speaker 2: special teamer in EJ. Speed, so obviously Houston can address
Speaker 2: that position as well. So any disagree with and who
Speaker 2: needs a linebacker the most here?
Speaker 1: Who needs win the most? I mean I think you.
Speaker 3: I think it's I maybe would move Dallas ahead of
Speaker 3: Indianapolis just because until over shown is proves that he
Speaker 3: is fully healthy like has so thin man. We saw
Speaker 3: Samar James steppin last year and he got a lot
Speaker 3: of tackles, but he was he couldn't stop the tight
Speaker 3: end to save his life, like he was just constantly
Speaker 3: getting roasted across the middle of the field, it felt like.
Speaker 3: And because of that, I think Dallas might be ahead
Speaker 3: of Indianapolis. Indianapolis is really bad though too. Cincinnati's young players.
Speaker 1: Did not work.
Speaker 3: But you just said they don't really have a replacement
Speaker 3: or Burks was not good last year either. I Houston,
Speaker 3: I would assume they're going to try to do everything
Speaker 3: they can to bring back because he's all shy here
Speaker 3: in henry to too, but if one of them left,
Speaker 3: they can fill that in. They're taking advantage of the
Speaker 3: fact that they have such an amazing defensive line in
Speaker 3: front of them that their guys just flow free to
Speaker 3: the ball so easily. Arizona. They should never have to
Speaker 3: start Cody Simon. That should not be happening already. Mack
Speaker 3: Wilson was out of position last year. Mac Wilson two
Speaker 3: years ago looked really good and then they moved him
Speaker 3: last year and it did not work at all. I
Speaker 3: hope they kind of go back on that. And I
Speaker 3: think Trel Bernard. I liked Trel Bernard about a year
Speaker 3: and a half ago, and then it was a pectoral
Speaker 3: injury followed by a shoulder injury, and he just does
Speaker 3: not look anything like the same player that he used
Speaker 3: to be. So I'm Buffalo's defense cannot stop the run.
Speaker 3: That is how you beat Buffalo as you run the
Speaker 3: ball on the gut on them and their linebackers can't
Speaker 3: tackle you. So you get six yards consistently and you
Speaker 3: just keep picking up six yards and Josh Allen doesn't
Speaker 3: get the ball.
Speaker 2: And looking at tackle grades, by the way, is the
Speaker 2: Cardinals were dead last tackle Simon Conny Simon Buffalo since Vegas,
Speaker 2: the Raiders, the Jets, the Saints, Cowboys, Dolphins, Eagles right
Speaker 2: out the top ten in low tackle grade.
Speaker 3: Here Eagles are surprising that one is surprising, is you
Speaker 3: know one pretty good. Some of the worst teams in
Speaker 3: the league for a reason, like you can't get the
Speaker 3: guy in the ground, it's hard to get off the
Speaker 3: field very much.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, the Cowboys sitting down here, I think in
Speaker 2: the regular season, I think the Cowboys might have been
Speaker 2: dead last let me just double because that's with not.
Speaker 1: Remember how sad they were.
Speaker 3: Remember it was like the first six or seven weeks
Speaker 3: they were on pace to be the Carolina Panthers from
Speaker 3: the year before, historically bad defense, when they were giving
Speaker 3: up yards and chunks.
Speaker 2: Oh man, nothing can beat just giving up the most
Speaker 2: rushing yards in NFL history like the Panthers did. So sad.
Speaker 2: All right, well, look I'm sorry that I think I
Speaker 2: cut you off. Did you finish your point? My bad?
Speaker 1: Oh no, we're good, We're good.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, So that is who needs a linebacker?
Speaker 2: And I gotta say this, man, this is going to
Speaker 2: be a better linebacker class this year than next year.
Speaker 2: I think because next year I was looking at the
Speaker 2: prospect of Sanmy Brown at number twenty four and then
Speaker 2: at number fifty seven, it's wit weeks. Number sixty four
Speaker 2: is Arian Carter from Tennessee. We have Perkins from all
Speaker 2: miss who's more of an edge like I, it's not good.
Speaker 3: This is the best group of linebackers though, that I
Speaker 3: think since we started doing the show together, which is
Speaker 3: I don't know three four, if we've been doing this now,
Speaker 3: I think this is the best group of linebakers that
Speaker 3: we've had. And it's just definitely with there's going to
Speaker 3: be much more top end talent in it, and I
Speaker 3: actually think it is kind of deep too. So yeah,
Speaker 3: this is a really good linebacker class and it will
Speaker 3: be better than next year.
Speaker 1: So I'm sure. Well, let's start.
Speaker 2: We only have one in the first round, but he
Speaker 2: is a top ten player. Number six is Sunny Styles
Speaker 2: for Sunday Styles, I've got He's a freaks list. Before
Speaker 2: he even crushed the combine, he breaks down the play,
Speaker 2: gets everyone in the right spot. He should wear the
Speaker 2: green Doc Quick two point two percent mistackled percentage is
Speaker 2: the lowest of any linebacker in this class. He missed
Speaker 2: two tackles in twenty twenty five. That is it. The
Speaker 2: only weakness is allowing an eighty five percent completion rate
Speaker 2: when targeted in twenty twenty five. He may, you know,
Speaker 2: it's kind of weird to see him around the ball
Speaker 2: and not forcing as many turnovers as maybe he should,
Speaker 2: so that those would be the downsides. But instinctual linebacker
Speaker 2: are going to be the leader of your defense. I
Speaker 2: am super excited to see where he lands. Love to
Speaker 2: see him go to Tennessee. He's going to stack tackles
Speaker 2: like crazy there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's actually my top player. He's been my top
Speaker 3: player for a while now. As far as I'm the
Speaker 3: regular big board, he is number one. He is going
Speaker 3: to be a twenty one year old rookie who has
Speaker 3: two thousand college snaps at Ohio State, which is crazy
Speaker 3: to think that that he is going to be that young.
Speaker 3: He's already play two thousand snaps. He was a safety,
Speaker 3: they transitioned him to linebacker. He is attacking downhill and
Speaker 3: he is looking to like. Yes, he is a very
Speaker 3: good wrap up tackler who does not miss tackles, but
Speaker 3: it is not just he's just getting to the ground.
Speaker 3: He will hit you like you feel him coming. But
Speaker 3: for me, it is just an amazing feel for coverage.
Speaker 3: On top of being a great tackler like there is,
Speaker 3: he is so good at passing players off into when
Speaker 3: they're sitting in zone. He can run with tight ends
Speaker 3: they will ask him to spy. Tom On Williams is
Speaker 3: a quarterback for Washington who is a very quick quarterback
Speaker 3: like there is times where he had the edge and
Speaker 3: Sonny Styles chases him down because he is an athletically
Speaker 3: gifted freak.
Speaker 1: He proved it again at the combine.
Speaker 3: I think he is the safest linebacker prospect that we've
Speaker 3: had in at least five years. I don't see how
Speaker 3: Sonny Styles isn't dropping into the NFL anywhere in any
Speaker 3: scheme and be a.
Speaker 1: All pro level player.
Speaker 3: I expect he will be that from day one and
Speaker 3: should be a one of the best linebackers in the
Speaker 3: league for a long time to come.
Speaker 2: Agreed, Just so good. Now, it's a pretty big drop
Speaker 2: off between Sunny Styles and the next group of linebackers,
Speaker 2: the second rounders. But we have a lot in the
Speaker 2: second round. Let's start with cjll from Georgia. Fast and
Speaker 2: Rangy doesn't bite on fakes, really finds and sticks the
Speaker 2: running back and run dye and keeps his eyes on
Speaker 2: the runner as he sheds blocks. Team captain personality and
Speaker 2: coaches pet zero penalties and sixteen hundred and ten snaps
Speaker 2: is crazy. To think of weaknesses. Coverage, he's in the
Speaker 2: wrong spot more often than you like. Blitzing effort is there,
Speaker 2: but he needs to work at shedding those offensive linemen
Speaker 2: a little bit better. And he did have a knee
Speaker 2: clean up in November, but he only missed one game.
Speaker 2: So CJ. Allen also a very, very good linebacker. They're
Speaker 2: just going to drop in and play for one of
Speaker 2: these linebacker spots that we were talking about before for
Speaker 2: a long time. I mean, you put him in Arizona,
Speaker 2: he's the best linebacker today.
Speaker 1: I think that'd be a great fit for him because
Speaker 1: they need someone. What CJ.
Speaker 3: Allen is is not He's not the gifted athlete that's
Speaker 3: any styles is. He's fine, He's not that good of
Speaker 3: an athlete. But he is just incredibly smart. He is
Speaker 3: calling off the defenses on Georgia. He is the one
Speaker 3: who is lining up everybody. He is a step ahead
Speaker 3: of everyone else on the field, gets all over the field.
Speaker 3: He can play sideline to sideline power to take down anybody.
Speaker 3: They will drop him in his own coverage. They don't
Speaker 3: really use him in man. I think that's a little
Speaker 3: bit of a difference too. And you know, I said
Speaker 3: I don't want to compare in to Sunny Styles because
Speaker 3: it's really not I have c J. Allen in his
Speaker 3: own tier, which is like orderline Round one, early round two,
Speaker 3: but it's not the same player Sonny Styles, not even close.
Speaker 3: But I do think CJ. Allen is kind of what
Speaker 3: kway Walker would be if he wasn't a head case.
Speaker 3: Just someone who gets all over the field and can
Speaker 3: make a lot of tackles without any of the off
Speaker 3: field concerns. So because of that, you know, I would
Speaker 3: be your team you mentioned. I think could take a
Speaker 3: linebacker man possibly like at that level and back of
Speaker 3: the after pick twenty somewhere's between twenty and thirty five
Speaker 3: is where I would be comfortable with c J.
Speaker 2: Allen. Yeah, and if they do take CJ. Allen, Patrick
Speaker 2: Quinn's gonna be somewhere else because there's plenty of linebacker needs.
Speaker 2: So we will see at number forty four Jacob Rodriguez
Speaker 2: from Texas Tech. Average size with incredible production. Jay rod
Speaker 2: has incredible instincts and he's always run the ball and
Speaker 2: gets it with the force fumble in interceptions. Team captain attitude.
Speaker 2: Downside is he doesn't have recovery speed if he misses,
Speaker 2: and he does miss forty two missed tackles in the
Speaker 2: last two seasons. He can fail to pick up a
Speaker 2: blocker on occasion when he's keeping his eyes on the
Speaker 2: ball carrier and get wiped out of a play. So
Speaker 2: you know, production is incredible, Instincts are incredible. Size and
Speaker 2: speed are the questions with him and the angles he takes.
Speaker 2: He needs to get a little bit better fundies in
Speaker 2: those tackles.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's relentless, understand spatially where to be at all times.
Speaker 3: His coverage drops, I thought got better as the season
Speaker 3: went on. I thought early in the year he was
Speaker 3: kind of a limitation as far as the coverage player,
Speaker 3: But I thought he got better at that as the
Speaker 3: year went on. The punching ability, the ability to get
Speaker 3: to the football is and it's special. We haven't seen
Speaker 3: players that can do that in a long time. And
Speaker 3: towards the end of the year, I think he was
Speaker 3: maybe focusing on a little bit too much on that.
Speaker 3: And you see him just you mentioned the tackling. He
Speaker 3: dives a lot. He's diving at people's feet and that's
Speaker 3: a that's an athleticism and size thing, right, He's diving
Speaker 3: at feet you see him in like L. J. Martin,
Speaker 3: he's doing that at Adam Randall. But he's just got
Speaker 3: a sixth sense where to be. He almost never bites
Speaker 3: on play action fail. He knows where to be. He
Speaker 3: is not number three for me. I have him at
Speaker 3: number four, but that's a again, that's like right around
Speaker 3: pick forty to sixty. That's a guy where I have
Speaker 3: Jacob Bradriguez going. And I think you'd be happy, like
Speaker 3: I think anybody should be happy with if you your
Speaker 3: team draft Jacob Bradriguez, I think you should be happy
Speaker 3: with it. He's a very good player with some limitations
Speaker 3: as far as athleticism is concerned. But in the second round,
Speaker 3: third round, somewhere in there, Yeah, he's gonna be a
Speaker 3: really good player.
Speaker 2: I think. Yeah. I think he'll be like a team
Speaker 2: captain pretty quick.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
Speaker 2: He's either it's gonna be one of two things. Either
Speaker 2: gonna be he's a team captain, a perennial pro bowler,
Speaker 2: or he's gonna be out of league like real quick.
Speaker 2: I think there's not a lot of middle ground on Rodriguez.
Speaker 2: My boy Anthony Hill Junior, number forty eight here. I
Speaker 2: know he's your number three. Covers so much ground because
Speaker 2: he's fast and twitchy, blitz as well, and it's big
Speaker 2: enough to run over blockers if he builds up steam.
Speaker 2: He did have an issue tackling, but he did cut
Speaker 2: it down the senior season as well. Eighteen miss tackles
Speaker 2: at twenty four, only three, and he will go after
Speaker 2: the ball when the ballcarrier is loose with it. The
Speaker 2: downside is that he is sometimes in the wrong place,
Speaker 2: which pushes him completely out of the play. I have
Speaker 2: many afternoons been screaming in this room, where the hell
Speaker 2: are you Anthony? On that one? And he takes some
Speaker 2: bad angles. Like I said, senior year much better, but
Speaker 2: that junior year, good lord, he took some bad angles.
Speaker 2: He really worked On't though a lot of upside, but
Speaker 2: just a blitzing linebacker if his instincts don't get better.
Speaker 2: Kind of a Frankie Luvu type of a guy. So
Speaker 2: what are your thoughts on Anthony Hill? And he's your
Speaker 2: number three, above Jacob Rodriguez, he.
Speaker 3: Is number five. Actually we'll have another one that's still
Speaker 3: ahead him. He is number five. And it's a lot
Speaker 3: of stuff you're talking about I just have this is
Speaker 3: he's not getting enough depth on his zone drops, which
Speaker 3: allows people to hit some easy throws in the middle
Speaker 3: of the field, takes a few false steps with play action.
Speaker 3: He plays better in this one, but there are a
Speaker 3: lot of reps where he's just not in the right place.
Speaker 3: Those are some of the notes I have against like
Speaker 3: Georgia and Oklahoma. And it's yes, I can see all
Speaker 3: of the upside, Like, if you want to talk about upside,
Speaker 3: he has way more upside than Jacob Rodriguez. He might
Speaker 3: probably have more physical upside than ce Jyllen, but cee
Speaker 3: Jal's right where he's supposed to be. Jaobradriguez is right
Speaker 3: where they're sposed to be right now. Anthony Hill is
Speaker 3: a disruptive player who is maybe a little too manic,
Speaker 3: and because of that, he's not always in the right place.
Speaker 2: Now he knows like that when they started their NFL.
Speaker 3: Career, Sure, yes, and he's turned into a great player,
Speaker 3: you know, shout out the hopefully he's great. Yeah, he
Speaker 3: was great, And I'm not saying you can get that
Speaker 3: with Anthony Hill again. I just because he's five, I'd
Speaker 3: be perfectly happy to take him any pick after pick forty.
Speaker 3: But I do think that there is some Whereas the
Speaker 3: floor is safer with Jacob Radriguez, I think there's way
Speaker 3: more upside with Anthony Hill. You just got to understand
Speaker 3: that right now, he is not a coverage player.
Speaker 2: He is.
Speaker 1: You mentioned he can blitz, i'd be I have g
Speaker 1: Hot Hamble.
Speaker 3: Down as someone who went early, but they also used
Speaker 3: him kind of like a hybrid edge linebacker player at
Speaker 3: this point, and that's probably the best fit that I
Speaker 3: see right now for Anthony Hill.
Speaker 1: But he's still very young.
Speaker 3: He can get and I think he will, but I
Speaker 3: have someone that I would be well comfortable taking ahead
Speaker 3: of him yet.
Speaker 2: And number fifty four we have Jake Golday from Cincinnati,
Speaker 2: moved from edge iNTS on linebacker because of his lean frame,
Speaker 2: but has the speed to make all the plays at linebacker.
Speaker 2: He sheds blocks well from his edge play and wraps
Speaker 2: and drives when he tackles. His instincts are still work
Speaker 2: in progress, especially in coverage, and or might not be.
Speaker 2: He might have maxed out his frame at two forty ish,
Speaker 2: which we'll probably get lighter as the season goes on
Speaker 2: as well. So you know, Jake Golday a very good athlete,
Speaker 2: kind of learning the position still, but lots of upside
Speaker 2: here for a guy like this.
Speaker 3: So they used him out of position too, right, Like
Speaker 3: if you watch Jake Goldie, they're playing him as like
Speaker 3: slot cornerback half the time, and it's like this is
Speaker 3: not this is not his best fit at all. And
Speaker 3: because of that, I think Jake Golda is going to
Speaker 3: be a better NFL player than he looks on tape.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: He bites on play action, but he's incredibly faster player
Speaker 3: of his size. He will run players down like his
Speaker 3: I talk about how we don't see a lot of
Speaker 3: man cover drops. They're telling him a lot of times
Speaker 3: cover a cold wid wide receiver, cover a running back,
Speaker 3: and he does it. They used him off the edges
Speaker 3: of Blitzer a lot, and he has the bend to
Speaker 3: play out there they play My dude is essentially just
Speaker 3: great at shedding blocks and there's a lot of times
Speaker 3: like you see guards running at him and he just
Speaker 3: throws him out of the way because he's really good
Speaker 3: at that. But he's also manipulated by quarterback eyes. At
Speaker 3: this point, I like Golda. He is number six for me,
Speaker 3: but that is still with a clear day two grade.
Speaker 2: Number sixty four. I think this is I know you've
Speaker 2: talked of Josiah Trotter. Sury is my guest best run
Speaker 2: stopper among this linebacker class, with incredible instincts to fire
Speaker 2: and shed and move through blocks, and he works well
Speaker 2: blitzing because of the same instincts there. His speed is great.
Speaker 2: The downside is a lack of instincts on passing place
Speaker 2: at all. Allowed an eighty eight point five percent completion
Speaker 2: rate in college. Fifty three of sixty targets were caught
Speaker 2: against him, zero pass block, pass breakups, and one interception.
Speaker 2: And I was trying to find it last night to
Speaker 2: look it up. I couldn't find where his pick was
Speaker 2: when I was looking through some of his stats. It
Speaker 2: was in twenty twenty four. I know that, but I
Speaker 2: couldn't find it on YouTube or whatever. But Trotter is
Speaker 2: gonna come like this. This is who the Niners need.
Speaker 2: They need this guy so bad to come in and
Speaker 2: help stop the run because he will immediately make an
Speaker 2: impact there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Joseh Trotter's number three for me, and I might
Speaker 3: be being kind of a hypocrite because a lot of
Speaker 3: the stuff that you just said is perfectly accurate. It's
Speaker 3: the same things I was just saying about Anthony Hill.
Speaker 3: But I just think there is a much more refined
Speaker 3: tackler in Josiah Trotter at this point. And yes, his
Speaker 3: coverage is not good either, but he is so good
Speaker 3: at getting players to the ground. The only player that
Speaker 3: I would say is better at slipping blocks in this
Speaker 3: class is r bel Reese as far as here are
Speaker 3: times where people are squaring him up and he is
Speaker 3: just awesome at slipping blockers and then shucking blockers and
Speaker 3: knocking black blockers and then he's showing flexibilit But he
Speaker 3: did duck under interior offensive lineman and still make the
Speaker 3: tackle on the ballcarrier only a chord sophomore. I was
Speaker 3: really surprised he came out, but he I get it,
Speaker 3: Like I think he'll go day too. I think he
Speaker 3: could have been in the top fifteen if he had
Speaker 3: come out next season. There's just a lot of space struggles,
Speaker 3: and that's what it is. He's just struggling in space
Speaker 3: right now. But I think he just had a birthday
Speaker 3: last week, just during turn twenty one. Like I can
Speaker 3: live with that, right, I can live with that. He
Speaker 3: is a what we all wanted Jeremiah Trotter junior to be.
Speaker 3: There was a lot of hype on Jeremiah Trotter junior.
Speaker 3: Josiah Trotter so much better than that. Jeremi Trotter felt
Speaker 3: around three. This is the one who apparently watched his
Speaker 3: dad play linebacker because he looks like a linebacker. He's
Speaker 3: calling all coverages. He is the one that I want,
Speaker 3: and he is my number three. But I said, I'm
Speaker 3: kind of a hypocrite because I agree with yourself on
Speaker 3: the coverage. It's not good right now, but I think
Speaker 3: he can get better.
Speaker 2: I have I'd have him ahead of gold Day, but
Speaker 2: I would have him behind Anthony. I'll just Anthony Hill's
Speaker 2: a little bit bigger. I think his speed is a
Speaker 2: little bit better too. So we'll see number seventy three.
Speaker 2: Kyle lewis from Pittsburgh in the third round and the
Speaker 2: only third round linebacker. Kind of surprising that I think
Speaker 2: we'll see more go by the way, but because of
Speaker 2: the needs that we just listed, I think they're gonna
Speaker 2: get pushed up a little bit. But Kyle lewis great
Speaker 2: rangy linebacker that is undersized and has undersized guy problems.
Speaker 2: Can cover sideline the sideline now Doozy said, no one
Speaker 2: watches more tape than Lewis. He's a strong blitzer, a
Speaker 2: Jim Ratt. All of his problems are size related, it seems,
Speaker 2: gets washed away by blockers, he misses tackles, he can
Speaker 2: get boxed out in coverage, and he might not last
Speaker 2: forever because of that size. But I mean, if you
Speaker 2: want a dog for the next four or five seasons,
Speaker 2: Kyle Lewis is gonna be that dude. He's gonna be
Speaker 2: you know, he's gonna be a killer in special teams.
Speaker 2: He's gonna be killer when he's on the field. He's
Speaker 2: just a little light. So really like this guy. I
Speaker 2: think he's gonna be a starter for you know, at
Speaker 2: least a decent amount.
Speaker 3: The coverage ability is incredible, but it's also because he's
Speaker 3: the size of safety who's playing linebacker. And that's that's
Speaker 3: really what you're getting here is the whatever you want
Speaker 3: to call it now, star defender, overhang defender. He is
Speaker 3: not a tradition. Every place that we talked about to
Speaker 3: this point is a traditional linebacker. They are Rokwan Smith,
Speaker 3: you know, they're Edred Cooper.
Speaker 1: Whatever. Kyle Lewis is not. That's just not what he's
Speaker 1: going to play in there.
Speaker 3: He will drop down into the box like James Williams
Speaker 3: did or some of those bigger safety smaller linebacker players.
Speaker 3: He can cover tight ends, he can cover running backs,
Speaker 3: Manda Man gets sideline a sideline with like elite athleticism,
Speaker 3: but he takes some angles that don't really work. There's
Speaker 3: gonna be questions as to what how does he actually
Speaker 3: fit in the NFL.
Speaker 1: There's going to be teams that.
Speaker 3: I probably don't even consider taking Kyle Lewis unless they're
Speaker 3: going to take him at a safety.
Speaker 1: But you watch him, you're like, man, this guy's really good.
Speaker 1: He's really good.
Speaker 3: But there's just some questions as to what his role is.
Speaker 3: And because of that, I have him right here, actually
Speaker 3: brought those famous out. We have him at seven overall
Speaker 3: among linebackers, and for him, it's it's firmly round three.
Speaker 3: It's day two, but it's round three. I would not
Speaker 3: take Kyle Lewis in the top sixty picks just unless
Speaker 3: your team has a per perfect plan in place for him.
Speaker 3: That's just not the role that he fix in.
Speaker 2: He waged two twenty at the combine, and that's when
Speaker 2: you drink a gallon of water and eat a bunch
Speaker 2: of pizza or whatever the night before, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. So he's probably playing at two ten, maybe
Speaker 2: even less than that, So I'm with you. Like the
Speaker 2: size limitations definitely cap his upside, but he is a
Speaker 2: perfect prospect outside of that. So the fourth round has
Speaker 2: three guys here into the one hundred lost in from Alabama.
Speaker 2: Very high floor player and limited upside. Knowing where to
Speaker 2: be is his superpower in my opinion. He's always around
Speaker 2: the ball. He has above average speed and change the direction,
Speaker 2: but plays faster. Usually a solid tackler, but a bit
Speaker 2: undersize and can be shrugged off if he goes high.
Speaker 2: Lack of recovery speed if he does allow, if he
Speaker 2: does miss or allow a catch might lead to some
Speaker 2: big plays at the next levels. What I have for
Speaker 2: loss and what are your thoughts on Deontey lost him
Speaker 2: for Bama?
Speaker 3: So he's not this high for me. I actually have
Speaker 3: another Alabama linebacker even ahead of him.
Speaker 1: He is number what is he like fifteen? For me
Speaker 1: here it's just such a boring profile. Man. This is
Speaker 1: like timy Eikenberg. And if you're happy with Tommy Eikenberg.
Speaker 1: Go for it.
Speaker 3: That's pretty, But I don't want to spend a third
Speaker 3: round pick on a player who's perfectly okay and can
Speaker 3: fill in.
Speaker 1: But I just thought he didn't look nearly as good
Speaker 1: this year.
Speaker 3: He came off of and he towards ACL at the
Speaker 3: end of twenty twenty four, and I thought he just
Speaker 3: looked real slow at times this season.
Speaker 1: But when he gets you, when he hits you, you
Speaker 1: go down.
Speaker 3: I will say that. But he's not a big time athlete.
Speaker 3: He's an okay as a cover player, but he's just
Speaker 3: physically limited, and I'm not sure that he's ever Maybe,
Speaker 3: you know, maybe another year and moved from the ACL,
Speaker 3: he can look a little bit more athletic like you
Speaker 3: did in twenty twenty four. Because I have some note
Speaker 3: time against my Leonora Seller's in twenty twenty four where
Speaker 3: I thought, oh, he looked pretty good. He's holding his
Speaker 3: own against him. But this year he did not look
Speaker 3: like the same player to me. So I have him
Speaker 3: quite a bit lower than this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have him for this group. I would have
Speaker 2: him at the bottom of it as well. Like I
Speaker 2: do think that he could go into some of these
Speaker 2: scenarios like next to Rokwan. Fine, you know you don't
Speaker 2: have to have all the instincts. Just do your job,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Put him extra Jack Amble,
Speaker 2: He's gonna be okay, you know what I mean, Just
Speaker 2: do your job. Put him next to a star. I
Speaker 2: think he'll be all right. But I would rather have
Speaker 2: Kayshawn Elliott from Arizona State rocked up and is great
Speaker 2: at chasing down the ball carrier, a green doc guy,
Speaker 2: coaches rave about his personality and work ethic. He's another
Speaker 2: underweight linebacker, but doesn't quite have the speed of Lewis
Speaker 2: and isn't always in the right spot like Lewis is.
Speaker 2: So I would put him in that group of undersized
Speaker 2: linebackers with very good skill. It's just maybe a tick
Speaker 2: below guy like Kyle Lewis. What are your thoughts on
Speaker 2: Kishawn Elliott?
Speaker 3: So he's the highest, he's higher than me than Deontay Lawson,
Speaker 3: but I have him a little bit lower to he
Speaker 3: is number okay. So Jayshn Barham we talked about on
Speaker 3: the edge, he's actually held her linebacker.
Speaker 1: He'd be right behind Kyle Lewis.
Speaker 3: But then I have like Keyshawn Elliott at twelve, So
Speaker 3: there'd be a few and other names we talk about
Speaker 3: in here. But I love a player that commands the defense.
Speaker 3: You can see it right. Another one he's calling off
Speaker 3: the defense is Arizona State. He is lining up players
Speaker 3: and he's a tackling machine, like he's getting all over
Speaker 3: the field. He's playing downhill. He plays through contact, taking
Speaker 3: down blockers all game and not really wearing down. I
Speaker 3: love the way he blitz his He looks like he
Speaker 3: locks onto the quarterback and he is just forcing his
Speaker 3: way into the backfield. Not a good cover player, especially
Speaker 3: in man. He can hold his own in zone coverage,
Speaker 3: but man coverage is real rough on him because he's
Speaker 3: just like he's not big enough to hang with the
Speaker 3: tight end and he's not quite fast enough to do
Speaker 3: with its like a running back type of thing. So
Speaker 3: gets a little bit out of control some reading reactions.
Speaker 3: He really needs ten to fifteen pounds of muscle, that's
Speaker 3: what he really needs to to truly hang with these
Speaker 3: tight ends. And he and then you know, if you
Speaker 3: add that on their white house, can can you do
Speaker 3: you lose the other bitter.
Speaker 2: Speed exactly can't lose anymore.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just it's kind of a tough profile. I
Speaker 3: would be happy I have him right in round four
Speaker 3: as a player who should go in the fourth round,
Speaker 3: and I think, you know one twenty five, that's basically
Speaker 3: where we have him here.
Speaker 1: But I have a couple other players ahead of him yet.
Speaker 2: Harold Perkins is not Harold Perk.
Speaker 1: Dude.
Speaker 2: This guy was a top five projected pick after his
Speaker 2: freshman season. He has fallen into the tweener tag after
Speaker 2: his production is flattened. He can rush the B nineteen
Speaker 2: career sacks created a lot of turnovers, eight fors, fumbles,
Speaker 2: five picks, but he misses a lot of tackles and
Speaker 2: he has to win the edge with speed. He cannot
Speaker 2: deal with muscle, so torn A c Allen twenty twenty
Speaker 2: four definitely hurts. He's been behind in development because he's
Speaker 2: played two spots as well. So Harold Perkins terribly miscast
Speaker 2: by Brian Kelly at Els what a shock. Should have
Speaker 2: a better NFL career, But I don't know, man. It
Speaker 2: seeming his stock has fallen so much it's hard to
Speaker 2: be excited.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you nailed it. There he is.
Speaker 3: I have him at seventeen, which is like five six
Speaker 3: round range. It comes down to what are you doing
Speaker 3: for me at your size?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: Like you are six one two twenty three And he
Speaker 3: didn't do any of the testing at the combine, which
Speaker 3: is a massive red flag. Why are you not running?
Speaker 3: Like are you not fast? Because if anything, you should
Speaker 3: go out and prove I can play safety. Right, I'm
Speaker 3: going to run a four four four something like that,
Speaker 3: and he didn't do it because you mentioned the freshman year, right,
Speaker 3: that's when he was playing edge rusher. Well, we talked
Speaker 3: about James Pierce last year. Is sumthing small and that's
Speaker 3: twenty pounds later than James Pierce, So I don't think
Speaker 3: you can rush at that size in the NFL. He's
Speaker 3: an okay cover player. He's not as good as Kyle Lewis.
Speaker 3: He's not that good now. The closing speed is unteachable.
Speaker 3: Some of the things that he can do with just
Speaker 3: pure raw athleticism are awesome. But he's a liability in
Speaker 3: the run game because any offensive lineman that hits him,
Speaker 3: he is not getting off of them. He is just
Speaker 3: going to get They cannot slip blocks. He is an
Speaker 3: elite athlete who doesn't really have a fit in the NFL.
Speaker 3: I guess the best you could hope for was what
Speaker 3: Jeremiah Usokomamora was before he got injured, right, Like, kind
Speaker 3: of this hybrid safety linebacker who sometimes drops down and
Speaker 3: that's a good player, but he also hasn't shown.
Speaker 1: That he can do that yet.
Speaker 3: And I, to me, that is a special team's dynamo
Speaker 3: who I can bring in to do some weird things
Speaker 3: as a situational defender. And I don't want to take
Speaker 3: that in the top one hundred and eighty picks.
Speaker 2: Honestly, four four five pro day forty do anything for
Speaker 2: you would if I trusted that, Yeah, Yeah, that's kind
Speaker 2: of my thing.
Speaker 3: If I trusted that it wasn't a four to five,
Speaker 3: it would it would bump him into like the one
Speaker 3: fifty range.
Speaker 1: But I don't trust that that's a true necessarily.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's one thirty on the mock draft data base board.
Speaker 2: He's two hundred on Dame Brugler's Beast.
Speaker 1: So that's about That's closer to where I would have him.
Speaker 2: Lots of guys in the fifth round, uh, and then
Speaker 2: there's some late flyers. I'm wondering if you're interested in
Speaker 2: any of these guys. Betteker from Oregon. I got him
Speaker 2: as a special team's ace with a captain attitude, consistently
Speaker 2: in the right spot. Undersized, high floor, low ceiling type
Speaker 2: of player. Caleb el elurms Or from TCU great speed
Speaker 2: but needs work on recognition is my note on him.
Speaker 2: Touring in York from A and M. Smart player but
Speaker 2: is in the right spot but limited because of his
Speaker 2: size and speed. Jimmy Roler from Michigan plays like a
Speaker 2: psycho all out special teams guy, good enough athlete that
Speaker 2: has had injuries. In Fisher from Indiana, great but undersized athlete,
Speaker 2: energetic motorstrong production. Jack Kelly from BYU another special team's ace.
Speaker 2: The speed stands out, hits hard. He will still get
Speaker 2: washed out by olnemen and space and missus tackles with
Speaker 2: bad angles. So who do you like between these guys
Speaker 2: in the fifth round? Kind of down to one seventy five.
Speaker 3: Here, so I have Caleb ellams Or and Tory and
Speaker 3: York quite a bit higher than this. Those guys actually
Speaker 3: have like borderline top one hundred grades for me. Caleb
Speaker 3: ellams Or just another awesome athletically gifted player who shows
Speaker 3: up in different bunch of ways, never leaves the field
Speaker 3: because he's so versatile, and they play him in his
Speaker 3: gap well and then when he gets there, he wraps up.
Speaker 3: I like the field that he has in zone coverage.
Speaker 3: It's with all these players that we talk about, it's
Speaker 3: a little bit undersized, but from his case, when I
Speaker 3: look at his frame, I think he can add the
Speaker 3: fifteen pounds and I don't think he loses anything because
Speaker 3: he has some real long arms. He's kind of lanky
Speaker 3: right now. The scheme at TCU was designed to free
Speaker 3: him up, so there's a lot of there's not a
Speaker 3: lot of examples of him having to like shed and
Speaker 3: disengage blocks.
Speaker 1: But eight day two, early day three, I have a.
Speaker 3: Top of Alex Singleton to him, who's a really good linebacker, Like, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's the one I have for Caleb ballums Or and
Speaker 3: then Tory and York is the other one.
Speaker 1: That I have higher. And I get why he's lower
Speaker 1: on this list. I don't know.
Speaker 3: Maybe I'm just I can fall for to certain places.
Speaker 3: I'm really worried about the size linebackers, just it is
Speaker 3: to some exa to tackle.
Speaker 2: I don't really care about your size if you can tackle.
Speaker 3: And in his case, he's awesome at it like if
Speaker 3: he was two inches taller, just kind of like Cash
Speaker 3: is Hollow in the same defense. If he was two
Speaker 3: inches taller, I think we'd be talking about Tory and
Speaker 3: Newark in the top fifty picks. He is all over
Speaker 3: the field. They play him in a bunch of different locations.
Speaker 3: He is the one calling out the place. This is
Speaker 3: the Texas A and M defense that has over the
Speaker 3: last two years, but three four first round picks going
Speaker 3: off of it. He's the one that's really moving. Everybody
Speaker 3: always pursues to the ball. He fills gaps and is
Speaker 3: a really strong tackler. He can cover running backs underneath.
Speaker 3: He'll take some hooks zones away. Now, if you ask
Speaker 3: him to carry a tight end up the seam, they're
Speaker 3: just gonna throw it over him, and that's going to
Speaker 3: be a concern. And that's what we're seeing with these leagues.
Speaker 3: But I think if he was a little bit bigger,
Speaker 3: we would talk about Tory and York in the same
Speaker 3: range as what we talk about, you know, Jacob Rodriguez,
Speaker 3: Anthony Hill that whatever, however you want to rearrange that
Speaker 3: group there, And to me, I'm just not gonna worry
Speaker 3: about it. Because he's had success tackling at the collegiate level.
Speaker 3: I think he can tackle pretty good, and so I do.
Speaker 3: I think he'll actually go Day two. No, but I
Speaker 3: would rather have him in the top one hundred and
Speaker 3: fifty picks, Like I could see his vision better than
Speaker 3: I could see a player like Harold Perkins or any
Speaker 3: of that stuff, because he actually has shown some linebacker ability.
Speaker 2: Dude, if Harold Perkins goes it's gonna be to like
Speaker 2: Cleveland or Vegas or.
Speaker 1: Saw a team shooting for all the upside, a team.
Speaker 2: That you constantly see at the bottom of the standings,
Speaker 2: right Like that is who is going to draft Harold
Speaker 2: Perkins high? If he goes low, then great. You know,
Speaker 2: if he goes past, I'd say, let's just say pick
Speaker 2: one seventy five beyond the fifth round. I think that's
Speaker 2: worthy of a of a pick. But yeah, you're right
Speaker 2: about that. What about the rest of the linebackers? Here
Speaker 2: in the sixth we have Justin Jefferson from Bama, Red
Speaker 2: Murdoch from Buffalo, Seventh is Lander Barton from Utah, Eric
Speaker 2: Tenttry from USC, Xavian Soory Junior from Arkansas, and then
Speaker 2: a couple of udfas Carsha Shahar from Iowa, Shad Banks
Speaker 2: from UTSA, and jayde and Dugger from Ull. Anyone stand
Speaker 2: out here? I just first I want to throw out
Speaker 2: Red Murdoch. How much Red Murdock? Have you watched?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 3: About two games and he had I think two force
Speaker 3: fumbles in each of them.
Speaker 2: It felt like he is an e fing psychopath. He
Speaker 2: hits like a ton of He's gonna have like a
Speaker 2: three year NFL career because he hits everybody with everything
Speaker 2: he has on every play. I hadn't watched a whole
Speaker 2: lot about him and I saw I think just a
Speaker 2: clip on YouTube or something of him, and I went,
Speaker 2: oh my god, this guy plays like a nut job.
Speaker 2: And then I went and watched a couple of his
Speaker 2: game City. He plays like a psychopath. He is fun
Speaker 2: to watch me.
Speaker 1: So I have his games.
Speaker 3: I have Minnesota and Bowling Green, and I said, I
Speaker 3: wanted to do two games against him, you know, getting
Speaker 3: his best competition, including Minnesota.
Speaker 1: And Sean do Looc.
Speaker 3: Sean Dolac came out of Buffalo last year as an
Speaker 3: undrafted for agent and stuck around with I believe it
Speaker 3: was the Rams, but Red Murdock's a much better player,
Speaker 3: the career leader in force fumbles. I mean, you can
Speaker 3: see why my dude is attacking the ball any chance
Speaker 3: he gets. He is not just saying get down. We
Speaker 3: talk about Jacob brad Rigus, like Red Murdoch, he isall
Speaker 3: like it's his like his life savings, and he has
Speaker 3: to rip it out of your hands to get paid.
Speaker 3: That's the approach he's taken to it. He will bite
Speaker 3: on pump fakes and you mentioned it. He is so
Speaker 3: aggressive that he is just running himself out. He's undersizes
Speaker 3: to expect from a mac linebacker. But like, look at
Speaker 3: the way Logan Wilson plays and like, why can't Red
Speaker 3: Murdock do that? And I, you know, I have Justin
Speaker 3: Jefferson a little bit ahead of I actually have him
Speaker 3: ahead of Deonte Lawson. I think there's a little bit
Speaker 3: more projectable upside there, just because I like his body
Speaker 3: type more. Eric Gentry so talk about you don't talk
Speaker 3: about a weird shaped body six six two twenty five.
Speaker 2: And I put him in safety.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just such an odd body type. Now in
Speaker 3: a class where all these guys are small, his underweight
Speaker 3: shows up on wrap up drills. That's where you notice it,
Speaker 3: like he's trying to get Dean Connors down to the
Speaker 3: ground in the Shrine Bowl, and Dean Connors is just
Speaker 3: running through him because even though he's got him, he
Speaker 3: just does not. He needs so much more strength. If
Speaker 3: a team played a traditional strong side linebacker every down,
Speaker 3: which not many of them do anymore, I think he'd
Speaker 3: be much more valuable. But in the way the modern
Speaker 3: league has moved on, it would be if Isaiah Simmons
Speaker 3: had ever worked out like Eric Gentry would be all
Speaker 3: be much more popular. But Isaiah Simmons has been such
Speaker 3: a I don't know how many teams have taken a
Speaker 3: shot on and my team took a shot on him,
Speaker 3: how many teams have tried, and it's just has never
Speaker 3: worked out. So Eric Gentry probably will fall. The one
Speaker 3: that I guess I would probably say I like the
Speaker 3: most in this group, and he is number twelve for me.
Speaker 3: Is Xavian, Sorry, Junior. I had what scouting report he
Speaker 3: was at Georgia first off, which of course they have
Speaker 3: another good linebacker, but went to Arkansas prototypical NFL size,
Speaker 3: what good speed. I like the way that he can
Speaker 3: handle zones. It's not great and man doesn't always trust
Speaker 3: his eyes, which causes Costom a step when he's attacking downhill.
Speaker 3: But he'll throw his body around like you'll see him
Speaker 3: level players and blow up plays in the backfield. He's
Speaker 3: not big, but I kind of like his ability to
Speaker 3: knock down passes. Did you do jayde and Dugger at all?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: I didn't, Oh dude, So you see.
Speaker 3: If you can find some Jade Dugger and you text me,
Speaker 3: because this is another one weird body type. But the
Speaker 3: G four level he is this massive frame, but he
Speaker 3: moves really well. Latterly, I think the size in the
Speaker 3: length means he could play any linebacker spot. And if
Speaker 3: you want to see whether you're Red Murdoch or Jane
Speaker 3: Dugger who's playing at these lower levels, Jane Druger at
Speaker 3: Louisiana just a tackling machine. He's all over the field,
Speaker 3: gets over excited, runs past plays. He got to the
Speaker 3: Shine Bowl kind of did exactly what I expected to
Speaker 3: do there. Range was excellent. Got a bit surprised when
Speaker 3: he had struggled to get off blocks in that game.
Speaker 3: But there's a wide range of outcomes. But Laighton vand
Speaker 3: rushes in there, someone who's a really good tackler who
Speaker 3: just kind of shows up. And so if somebody wants
Speaker 3: to take a shot on someone like Jane Duggart around
Speaker 3: six something like that, I wouldn't blame a team for
Speaker 3: doing that.
Speaker 2: The Lakers and I love it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I try. Did you have onhen Heineke in your
Speaker 1: rankings at all?
Speaker 2: I did?
Speaker 3: I did, but he I have to delete him out here.
Speaker 3: I was just looking at my rankings. I'm like, oh, man,
Speaker 3: who do we not talk about? I'm like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's why.
Speaker 1: He's not on here.
Speaker 2: By the way, did you see Red Murdoch's career numbers
Speaker 2: twelve force fumbles.
Speaker 1: I think he's the career something.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, six seventeen four right, sixteen, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Career leader in force fumbles. I said.
Speaker 3: He attacks the ball like it's his Like, if that,
Speaker 3: you know, doesn't force his fumble, he's gonna lose money
Speaker 3: or something. It is crazy how hard he attacks the
Speaker 3: ball at some plays.
Speaker 2: Man, Yeah, a pick two and eleven sacks, Like, dude
Speaker 2: just makes plays. You'll be somebody willing to give up
Speaker 2: the body obviously, So he's going to get picked.
Speaker 3: I have him at pick twenty, which is like after
Speaker 3: pick two hundred. But you know, you tell me that
Speaker 3: Red Murdock kicks around the league, is one of the
Speaker 3: best special teams linebackers who could step in if somebody
Speaker 3: gets hurt for a while.
Speaker 1: Yeah, why not?
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely good linebackers. There are some decent linebackers in
Speaker 2: here we're gonna have and the need is big for them.
Speaker 2: So we're gonna have a decent amount of starters I
Speaker 2: think from this group. So interesting, interesting class for sure.
Speaker 2: How so Sonny styles, where does he go? Make a prediction?
Speaker 1: Oh? Where does he go? He should go?
Speaker 3: I think the floor is five, right, the first the
Speaker 3: first Giants pick. The floor is five. It's not going
Speaker 3: to the Raiders. The Jets should not. They have other needs.
Speaker 3: I would not take him there. I mean, if I
Speaker 3: was Arizona, that's probably where I would go. It sounds
Speaker 3: like they are leaning towards if they want to trade
Speaker 3: back from all indications, and if they can't do it,
Speaker 3: they were going to stay put and take care.
Speaker 2: Of my love, which you know, I think that's all nonsense. Yes,
Speaker 2: I think they're trying to get a trade done. So
Speaker 2: they're saying we're gonna take everybody's favorite player right here.
Speaker 2: So even if it's the Titans with Giants trading up,
Speaker 2: like the Giants trading up to get over the Titans,
Speaker 2: or the Titans so that the Giants don't trade up,
Speaker 2: Like I think that's the goal, is to just add
Speaker 2: an extra pick and still get a player you like.
Speaker 2: But I think it's Tennessee. Yeah, yeah, I think you know,
Speaker 2: you just I think the defense is getting better. You
Speaker 2: obviously have you know, a much improved edge rusher now
Speaker 2: and Jermaine Johnson. So let's get a linebacker and here
Speaker 2: to lead this whole defense. This is the guy that'll
Speaker 2: do it for a decade.
Speaker 3: Sonny Styles and Cedric Grands I'm talking about, like just
Speaker 3: build it right there, right, like, yes, Sonny Styles though
Speaker 3: in Arizona is instantly so much better than Cody Banks
Speaker 3: or Cody Simon. Excuse me, Like that's so much better
Speaker 3: than them in your in your idea, there were Sonny
Speaker 3: Stales falls to Tennessee. To sent in Arizona takes David
Speaker 3: Bailey probably, yeah, Bailey, Yeah, I think you know. If
Speaker 3: I was doing it, I would take any sales ahead
Speaker 3: of David Bailey. But I'm not going to knock anybody.
Speaker 3: Edges are still more valuable at this point than than line.
Speaker 3: But I feel very confident in saying that Fernando Mendoz R,
Speaker 3: l Resny Styles and David Bailey will be the first
Speaker 3: four picks off the border. It should be the first
Speaker 3: four picks off the board, unless something weird happens with
Speaker 3: Jeremiahleven there's a trade back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, So one more episode to cover every position,
Speaker 2: A man class tomorrow defensive backs, which will be a
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