Speaker 1: Welcome everybody to another edition of The Cajun Knight Live.
Speaker 2: I am the Cajun Knight.
Speaker 1: Jacob Mook, your humble host, and thank you everybody for
Speaker 1: joining in this evening. So, got a lot of things
Speaker 1: going on in the world today, a lot of fun
Speaker 1: topics we could dive into.
Speaker 2: I know that.
Speaker 1: Well, I was about to say Tony, but we currently
Speaker 1: have three Tonys in this group right now, so I
Speaker 1: know that one of the Tony's actually had some topics
Speaker 1: he wanted to discuss with the class. The other Tony,
Speaker 1: I know, is always ready to just be there with
Speaker 1: the facts and the knowledge Anthony aka.
Speaker 2: Other Tony, but he prefers Anthony.
Speaker 1: I'm sure he's got a lot of fun things to
Speaker 1: throw into the mix as well. Royce, our resident Jewish correspondent,
Speaker 1: He is absolutely here.
Speaker 2: Probably where you are you at work right now? Royce?
Speaker 2: A no answer, I'll tell that as a hard yes,
Speaker 2: hard g for g Maatria.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, so uh all right, gents, was there anything
Speaker 1: in particular y'all wanting to get into and discuss right
Speaker 1: off the rip?
Speaker 3: No, by the sorry, by the way, I know I
Speaker 3: am not at work. I am actually just holding home.
Speaker 3: He believe or not. Believe it or not.
Speaker 2: Hey, I'm glad to hear it.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: I know they work you like well, jokes right themselves
Speaker 1: like crazy. So I'm glad to see you're getting a
Speaker 1: night off to be able to decompress and relax a bit.
Speaker 2: So good things, man, Oh yeah, that's indeed.
Speaker 1: Uh, Tony, you said that you had some things you
Speaker 1: wanted to share, you wanted to be able to come
Speaker 1: on and bring them on the live last night. But
Speaker 1: you said that you all said some things you wanted
Speaker 1: to bring up tonight. What you got, bro?
Speaker 4: Yeah, so let's see. Do I just like clicking drag
Speaker 4: from my desktop to the chat?
Speaker 1: I mean you could copy and paste the link or
Speaker 1: I don't know, honestly for the pictures you mean.
Speaker 4: So, you know, a while ago, when you know, the
Speaker 4: whole New Jersey drone thing was like a big thing.
Speaker 4: It still happens constantly that they're always flying around. But uh,
Speaker 4: you know, I decided to go to like the beachfront
Speaker 4: area with my brother because he lives kind of close,
Speaker 4: you know, to like the you know, the coast pretty much,
Speaker 4: and you know, we were just on the beach. It
Speaker 4: was like probably twenty five degrees at the time. But
Speaker 4: you know, we we were you know, we can look
Speaker 4: across and see Atlantic City and they were just flying everywhere.
Speaker 4: We must have counted at least i'd say maybe sixty
Speaker 4: seventy within like twenty five minutes and really flying around.
Speaker 4: And by the time, you know, I kind of got,
Speaker 4: you know, sick of being cold. So I was just like, oh,
Speaker 4: that's our head and back. And then when we were
Speaker 4: driving down the road, we saw like a bunch of
Speaker 4: headlights coming towards us. And let's see if this sends.
Speaker 2: How long would you say you were out there at
Speaker 2: the beach observing.
Speaker 4: Probably at least thirty minutes. But there was also other
Speaker 4: people with like binoculars and telescopes and shit, you know,
Speaker 4: just watching them all. And you know they were saying
Speaker 4: that from what this video that I said, I don't
Speaker 4: know if you guys can see it, Yeah, but uh.
Speaker 2: Well I see the pictures anywhere. These pictures are videos.
Speaker 4: So these are the pictures of when I was out there.
Speaker 4: We actually found the tracking of this drone and it
Speaker 4: was it comes up as a C seventeen. I think
Speaker 4: I think that's what a transport.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know, that's that's a lie.
Speaker 4: But the video, you know, obviously show is different. And
Speaker 4: you know, while we're track and like where this thing
Speaker 4: flew around. It went down to about one hundred and
Speaker 4: twenty five feet from the second picture, and it flew
Speaker 4: one hundred and twenty five feet were wherever. But you
Speaker 4: know those you know, the sea's seventeen. They're allowed, you know.
Speaker 1: Now, So yeah, I got a couple of questions. Actually,
Speaker 1: just right off the rip here you said you saw
Speaker 1: somewhere between sixty and seventy of these flying objects in
Speaker 1: the course about thirty minutes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was like at the like the peak of
Speaker 4: like that whole thing. But you know, if I just
Speaker 4: let my dog outside and I just stare up in
Speaker 4: the you know sky, I probably could see about like
Speaker 4: fifteen to twenty and like a good like twenty minutes,
Speaker 4: they're just they're everywhere, And.
Speaker 1: So could you hear them? As you said it dropped
Speaker 1: down to like one hundred and twenty feet.
Speaker 4: So that that one in particularly that I saw a
Speaker 4: video of, you know, you could hear it because it
Speaker 4: was just so quiet, you know, but it wasn't as
Speaker 4: loud as like a normal combustion engine would be. You
Speaker 4: know it was you would hear that like the propeller.
Speaker 4: I guess I don't. I don't even know what kind
Speaker 4: of motora has or anything like that, but uh yeah
Speaker 4: you kind of hear it. But uh, you know, if
Speaker 4: I'm just like in my backyard, you don't hear them
Speaker 4: at all, you know.
Speaker 1: And all right, let me let me go ahead and
Speaker 1: share the screen. I want to see if I can
Speaker 1: play this for everybody. This is this is pretty wild, dude.
Speaker 2: Check this out, y'all.
Speaker 4: And that was flying above me like a thousand feet
Speaker 4: in the air.
Speaker 5: Look how fucking low this is, dude.
Speaker 2: I mean, you can hear something, but that's not that
Speaker 2: you're hearing. Oh yeah it is. Hold on now.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now, then.
Speaker 1: To say that that's like a C seventeen or something,
Speaker 1: that's more believable than to call that a drone.
Speaker 3: That looks like a C seventeen.
Speaker 4: Yeah you think so? That that thing was probably maybe
Speaker 4: two car lenx maybe two and a half wide. I
Speaker 4: don't know how why to C seventeen is.
Speaker 3: A they're I mean, they're they're pretty wide, you know how.
Speaker 3: There's actually winglets on the end of it. Each one
Speaker 3: of those believe or not, it's about nine feet tall,
Speaker 3: so everything is it looks small since we're on the ground,
Speaker 3: but honestly, since I came from aviation maintenance, that looks
Speaker 3: like a C seventeen.
Speaker 4: That looks like one.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, we're just with how the the lights were flashing.
Speaker 3: Also with the tail, it just looked like that, just
Speaker 3: with how the aileron was actually on the top of
Speaker 3: the vertical stabilizer.
Speaker 1: Now, I'll say this, though, I don't know how loud
Speaker 1: the usual C seventeen typically is.
Speaker 2: You're saying that was that?
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm looking at the video here, and yes,
Speaker 1: it was dark, but I mean it's not like there
Speaker 1: was crazy depth perception.
Speaker 2: Being used there.
Speaker 1: You could see the grounds of the horizon, you could
Speaker 1: see about how far up in the air it was.
Speaker 2: I don't know how loud they're supposed to be, but
Speaker 2: that that's kind of yeah.
Speaker 4: But it's weird because if you know, if you look
Speaker 4: at the pictures, the first one, you know that that's
Speaker 4: when it flew across over my head. But would that
Speaker 4: be normal for that to be flying at one hundred
Speaker 4: and twenty five feet off the air, off the grounds?
Speaker 1: That was my next point, right, So, like I could
Speaker 1: understand that they were doing some sort of like a
Speaker 1: training maneuver or something like that, but it's a very
Speaker 1: weird time for them to be doing that low of
Speaker 1: a maneuver as everyone is already looking up in the
Speaker 1: sky to see drones and shit, right, I mean, help
Speaker 1: me out here, Royce. I mean, how often do they
Speaker 1: do low flying maneuvers like that for training or for otherwise?
Speaker 3: Unfortunately I am not an expert on C seventeens, but
Speaker 3: I do know that they have a system where they
Speaker 3: like whenever they try to drop in for something, what
Speaker 3: they'll do is they will drop rather low. They'll open
Speaker 3: up the car department and they'll basically release things and
Speaker 3: they won't be very high off the ground for that reason. Yeah,
Speaker 3: a load out right, like there's in the C one thirty.
Speaker 3: They call it LAPES, the load Altitude Parachute Extraction system,
Speaker 3: so it's very similar to that. So like they'll throw
Speaker 3: the shit out the back, it'll parachute down. So that's
Speaker 3: my main guess as far as that why they be
Speaker 3: doing it now, I don't know why. I mean in
Speaker 3: Jersey and then they sense because they have McGuire Air
Speaker 3: Force Base or joint McGuire Dick's Lakehurst. Yeah, and so
Speaker 3: the C seventeens you come out of there.
Speaker 4: Wow, Okay, I do see a whole lot.
Speaker 2: I mean, and that would make sense. Is everything you're
Speaker 2: seeing look like that?
Speaker 1: So I don't know who's the question to don Tony.
Speaker 1: Most of the things you're seeing in the sky at night,
Speaker 1: do they look like that? Or are they different?
Speaker 4: Now there there's a bunch of different kinds.
Speaker 2: How close do you do the air Force base there?
Speaker 4: Maybe five minutes I live all of them. Yeah, well yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm like not even twenty minutes away. But that was
Speaker 4: that was nowhere near that. That was that was further
Speaker 4: south than h Tucker in a little like Harbor Towns.
Speaker 2: Damn.
Speaker 3: That's that.
Speaker 4: But it's just strange because like you know, I I
Speaker 4: see and I constantly hear, you know, these these kind
Speaker 4: of airplanes. And I'm not, you know, completely disagreeing with you,
Speaker 4: but when when you look up you know pictures of
Speaker 4: you know, these you know C seventeen they're huge. Dude,
Speaker 4: that thing did not look that big. But you know,
Speaker 4: I could be wrong, you know, I used to betray
Speaker 4: you sometimes.
Speaker 1: But it could also be a different type of aircraft
Speaker 1: that they are trying to they're not necessarily experiment with,
Speaker 1: but testing some sort of new new jet or new plane,
Speaker 1: and they're putting it on radar as a C seventeen,
Speaker 1: even though it's kind of not because they're not trying
Speaker 1: to alert people as to the new hardware. I could
Speaker 1: even believe that, but there's so many and I know
Speaker 1: Jonathan goes on this whole kick about the orbs and
Speaker 1: how that's more believable.
Speaker 2: In the drones.
Speaker 4: They're crazy.
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying there's no orbs. You know, there
Speaker 2: may be, but especially.
Speaker 1: Around New Jersey and around the Air Force base, it
Speaker 1: would make more sense to me that they are man
Speaker 1: made objects, drones of some type or something like that.
Speaker 1: The biggest issue I had with it was that it
Speaker 1: was bipartisan lies. Right, if it was just aircraft, or
Speaker 1: if it was just new drone technology or whatever the
Speaker 1: case was, they could have just told us that. Instead,
Speaker 1: they ran with the story of yeah, we don't know
Speaker 1: what they are, but they're not ours and they're not
Speaker 1: from another country, but don't worry about it.
Speaker 2: It's not a threat. And both sides, Republican and Democrat,
Speaker 2: were running that story.
Speaker 4: And the whole thing is just weird.
Speaker 2: It really is, Tony, you got something to add in here, brother?
Speaker 2: What you got?
Speaker 3: Go for it?
Speaker 5: Oh May, I was wondering if was there ever an
Speaker 5: official story explanation for these New Jersey drones.
Speaker 1: I honestly couldn't tell you because the quote unquote official
Speaker 1: story has changed so many times. I've heard everything from
Speaker 1: drones from a Chinese mothership to American drones, some like
Speaker 1: skunk work type technology that they're testing out to you know,
Speaker 1: people just kind of losing their shit over nothing. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, it's not nothing, right. This has
Speaker 1: been seen by way too many people. A plane here
Speaker 1: and there. I understand a new a drone even I
Speaker 1: could understand. There's been some people that were arrested that
Speaker 1: were private pilots of drones that they were just sending
Speaker 1: up in the air and they arrest them.
Speaker 2: It's like, what are you doing out here?
Speaker 1: It's like flying my drone because I'm legally allowed to
Speaker 1: do so. And it was a whole thing that they tried.
Speaker 1: They tried pinning it on these guys.
Speaker 2: Like these are the masterminds.
Speaker 1: It's like, bro, this was a kid and his dad
Speaker 1: who were flying a couple of drones as a hobby
Speaker 1: level thing, like you can't put it on that shit.
Speaker 1: No one ever actually gave a real official story, or
Speaker 1: at least not that I know of.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I thought i'd heard something recently, but I'm looking
Speaker 5: at the Wikipedia article right now and it doesn't even
Speaker 5: have anything. The shift gears a little bit. We could
Speaker 5: come back to this, But my grandfather worked in aircraft
Speaker 5: maintenance for like fifty years and he never believed in
Speaker 5: any conspiracy theories to my knowledge, except one, which was
Speaker 5: that he thought that TWA Flight eight hundred was taken
Speaker 5: down by a missile and it was not the result
Speaker 5: of a fuel air explosion, which was the official story.
Speaker 5: And that checks out to me because I used to
Speaker 5: work at a refinery where we've made gasoline, diesel, and
Speaker 5: jet fuel, and jet fuel is not technically flammable. Its
Speaker 5: flashpoint is so low that you're supposed to be able
Speaker 5: to throw a match into it and it shouldn't light
Speaker 5: on fire. Yeah, So there's only been one fuel air
Speaker 5: explosion in an aircraft fuel tank to my knowledge and
Speaker 5: all history, and it was a very hot day in
Speaker 5: the Philippines at ground level. And even that is to
Speaker 5: me is you know, hard to believe, but I guess
Speaker 5: it could happen under those conditions.
Speaker 1: But I mean, how hot does it happen to me
Speaker 1: to make the vapor point go to that level?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And what was the fuel to air oxygen mixture that
Speaker 1: allowed for what was it like supposed to be some
Speaker 1: static spark that set it off or something.
Speaker 5: Right, And in order to light on fire, the concentration
Speaker 5: of the volatile organics has to be higher than the
Speaker 5: lower explosive limit. And that's why if you're trying to
Speaker 5: tune an engine, if it's running too lean, it won't start.
Speaker 5: If it's running too rich, it also won't start, YadA, YadA.
Speaker 5: But yeah, my grandfather maintained that there's no way that
Speaker 5: seventy seven forty seven blew up just from a fuel
Speaker 5: air explosion on board. And he said that he worked
Speaker 5: for United Airlines and they had all Boeing aircraft at
Speaker 5: the time, and he said that, you know, when he
Speaker 5: was getting ready to retire, he's like, they finally retrofitted
Speaker 5: the seven thirty sevens, the seven to fifty seven sixty sevens,
Speaker 5: and the last one they did was the seven forty seven,
Speaker 5: which was supposedly that was the one that had the problem, right,
Speaker 5: but that was the last one that got around to
Speaker 5: fixing for fixing in their quotes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that also kind of checks out a lot of
Speaker 1: those issues that are blatantly in their face somehow just
Speaker 1: kind of get pushed to the bottom of the list.
Speaker 2: I mean that's not just a.
Speaker 1: Well you would actually know in the military, you would
Speaker 1: expect that the things that really need to happen, we
Speaker 1: could push it off for another six months or so.
Speaker 1: In the private sector, where there's actual money being pushed around,
Speaker 1: you would expect that to get fixed first.
Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, you.
Speaker 5: Know, he believes that it was accidentally shot down by
Speaker 5: a missile during a military training exercise, and it was
Speaker 5: just way easier to hush it up at that time.
Speaker 5: I think it happened in nineteen ninety six, so I
Speaker 5: would have been eight. I mean, look, we would have
Speaker 5: been young.
Speaker 1: This does happen, This does happen. Didn't We just have
Speaker 1: one happen though? Was it the Black Sea or the
Speaker 1: Caspian Sea? We had one of our jets get shot
Speaker 1: down by our NA vessel and they almost shot down
Speaker 1: another one.
Speaker 5: Oh, I think that was in the Red sea.
Speaker 2: That was it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that was a big old and boy you
Speaker 1: want to talk about they were about ready to fucking
Speaker 1: level the Hoothy's backyard because they thought it was them.
Speaker 1: Then that naval vessel was like, uh, sorry, guys, that
Speaker 1: was us.
Speaker 2: It's like, bro, what Yeah.
Speaker 1: Training accidents quote unquote they do, in fact happen, not often,
Speaker 1: but it can't happen in the Philippines.
Speaker 2: I don't know that specific story.
Speaker 1: Like you said, it was back when, way back in
Speaker 1: the day before my time, if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 2: What heard you say that was.
Speaker 5: Well twa was nineteen ninety six, and this other fuel
Speaker 5: air explosion it wasn't military related. It was just a
Speaker 5: civilian seven thirty seven I think in the Philippines. But
Speaker 5: it happened on the ground. I don't think anyone even
Speaker 5: died in that one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's also pretty crazy.
Speaker 5: Huh yeah, well yeah. And also people don't realize when
Speaker 5: plays go up it's like minus forty degrees up at altitude,
Speaker 5: even on the hottest day of the summer, because you know,
Speaker 5: a surface level of the Earth gets a lot of heat,
Speaker 5: but I mean most of the solar radiation passes through
Speaker 5: the lower or like medium high up atmosphere without interacting
Speaker 5: with it. So it's damn cold up there. So that's
Speaker 5: why you know, fighters and you know, and bombers in
Speaker 5: World War Two everyone was stuffing their pants and their
Speaker 5: shirts with lots of the extra newspaper to keep warm
Speaker 5: because it was just damn cold up there, like minus
Speaker 5: twenty no matter what you do on accurate.
Speaker 2: You said, that's kind of surprising, Tony. Yeah, why what
Speaker 2: is it? Why I was surprising about it?
Speaker 4: I just I just I figure closer to the Sun,
Speaker 4: I'm probably a little bit hotter, you know.
Speaker 1: The air there, Yeah, so it's less less molecules to
Speaker 1: be warmed. Plus the surface is kind of what absorbs
Speaker 1: the heat of the Earth. I know that there's flat
Speaker 1: earthers out there that will disagree with these things, and
Speaker 1: they will tell you that the closer you get to
Speaker 1: the firmam the warmer it should get. But science and
Speaker 1: physics and aviation would tell us otherwise. But you know,
Speaker 1: it depends on which book we're reading out of.
Speaker 2: I suppose you.
Speaker 5: Know, yeah, well, way up in the ozone and like
Speaker 5: the ionosphere, it does get really hot because there's lots
Speaker 5: of wavelengths of solar radiation that bombard it, that get
Speaker 5: absorbed and create a lot of heat. But then whatever
Speaker 5: gets absorbed up there isn't available to come down to
Speaker 5: the Earth, And we're pretty fortunate we have that layer
Speaker 5: to shelter us that way. But anything from like twenty
Speaker 5: thousand to one hundred thousand feet or something is just
Speaker 5: really cold, like minus forty and there's even you know,
Speaker 5: some gas helium up there, but there's no helium down
Speaker 5: at surface level, because the velocity of helium atoms is
Speaker 5: so fast that they actually reach the escape velocity for
Speaker 5: getting away from gravity when they're down here. But when
Speaker 5: they're up there, they're cold enough they can actually hang out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then it also you got to also account
Speaker 1: for the fact that the plane is moving what is
Speaker 1: like four hundred six hundred miles per hour.
Speaker 5: Something, Yeah, sixty roughly.
Speaker 4: I'll do it.
Speaker 2: So you know, there's gonna be that little bit of
Speaker 2: a windshill.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: I know that on a motorcycle you can account for
Speaker 1: at least twenty degree drop off of ambient temperature just
Speaker 1: going at about seventy five.
Speaker 2: I can only imagine what the planes are experiencing. But yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: all the things.
Speaker 1: But uh, all right, so walls of aviation aside these drones,
Speaker 1: we're still seeing them. That's the thing ever since Trump
Speaker 1: took off, is we haven't heard anything about the drones
Speaker 1: in New Jersey.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're still They're still going strong. Wow. And it's
Speaker 4: crazy because you know, I just you know, I just
Speaker 4: had six inches of snow, so like they're still flying,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you would think they might like take a
Speaker 1: break during inclement weather.
Speaker 4: I'm just hoping when it gets a little bit warmer
Speaker 4: out and they still fly around, you know, maybe I'll
Speaker 4: get a good camera or some shit and try to
Speaker 4: get better pictures.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's New Jersey's gun laws? Like, shit, can you
Speaker 2: have a shotgun?
Speaker 1: Because I feel like some decent skeet shooting could be
Speaker 1: fun at these drones.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah we can. You know, you can have whatever.
Speaker 4: But uh, yeah, I was considering it, you know, just
Speaker 4: you know, like I was telling you, uh, yesterday, you know,
Speaker 4: I got an M four, so I was actually hot.
Speaker 4: I was highly considering about just shooting it. But they're
Speaker 4: they're not that well, you know, like when they're flying
Speaker 4: around like I guess in residential areas.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if they if they are, you know, believe me,
Speaker 4: I will, absolutely you should.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 5: I found a story from two weeks ago where Carolyn Levitt,
Speaker 5: Press secretary said, after research and study, the drones that
Speaker 5: were flying over New Jersey and large numbers were authorized
Speaker 5: to be flown by the FAA for research and various
Speaker 5: other reasons. No more detail than that. Many of the
Speaker 5: drones were also hobbyists, recreational and private individuals that enjoy
Speaker 5: flying drones. But as far as the research and various
Speaker 5: other reasons, we don't know what.
Speaker 2: That is very vague. Again, they're saying that like it's
Speaker 2: nothing to worry about.
Speaker 5: They had authorization, Yeah, stucular, like they were looking for
Speaker 5: trace chemicals that might indicate a special kind of bomb,
Speaker 5: a dirty bomb, a nuclear bomb, certain isotopes. People were
Speaker 5: speculating that they were government drones sniffing around for something
Speaker 5: which that they wouldn't want to alert the public.
Speaker 1: To, because nothing alerts the public like a bunch of
Speaker 1: or unexplainable flying objects every night for six months. That's
Speaker 1: that's not going to raise the public attention whatsoever. And
Speaker 1: I remember hearing about that. They were saying it was
Speaker 1: a there was some uranium that we couldn't account for,
Speaker 1: and they think it's here and they're gonna they're flying
Speaker 1: these owns to read for it and all this. It's like,
Speaker 1: first of all, pause, where do we hear that there's
Speaker 1: unaccounted for uranium? When did that story happen?
Speaker 2: Then I heard the same thing.
Speaker 1: It was chemicals, right, They were looking for like parts
Speaker 1: per billion or parts per trillion, as far as these
Speaker 1: chemical agents could be for a dirty bomb or something
Speaker 1: like that. And it's like, dude, as a former instrument sech,
Speaker 1: I used to calibrate things, not at the place I
Speaker 1: used to work, the place before the place I used
Speaker 1: to work, We used to have to calibrate these little
Speaker 1: sensors and monitors to pick up on that finite amount. Dude,
Speaker 1: even with a sniffer, like and you're in the area
Speaker 1: where you are looking for chlorine gas or whatever the
Speaker 1: case is, the amount to actually set that thing off,
Speaker 1: there's no way a drone is going to pick that
Speaker 1: up in flight. If a drone's able to pick that
Speaker 1: up while flying, we have way bigger problems than a
Speaker 1: part per billion being released, like the bomb's probably already
Speaker 1: gone off or something like. I just I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe the government instrumentation is a lot more sophisticated
Speaker 1: than the stuff I used to work on and calibrate,
Speaker 1: very possible, you know, all the things. I just have
Speaker 1: a hard time believing it now. I also heard rumors
Speaker 1: that they were actually listening in on some Patriot Act
Speaker 1: level things, and they were flying low enough to be
Speaker 1: able to pick up and ping cell phones that were
Speaker 1: on certain apps or were connected to certain you know, systems,
Speaker 1: routers or whatever the case was, and they were actually
Speaker 1: just kind of doing low level flyovers strictly to pick
Speaker 1: up on which companies had you know, just throwing out
Speaker 1: of hypothetical here, this is not what I heard, but
Speaker 1: just to make it make sense.
Speaker 2: If I had a drone.
Speaker 1: And was flying over my neighborhood a thousand houses here, right,
Speaker 1: and this drone was paid for by Verizon, and for
Speaker 1: whatever reason, Verizon had lost their records and they wanted
Speaker 1: or they wanted to know who was using the Verizon
Speaker 1: Internet provider and cell phones linked to it and all
Speaker 1: of that for this neighborhood, the drone would like fly
Speaker 1: over and pick up on how many things would register
Speaker 1: per the Verizon.
Speaker 2: Code or whatever the case. Okay, it's a possibility.
Speaker 1: I see that, But also, you wouldn't need constant drones
Speaker 1: flying over on a nightly basis for months and months
Speaker 1: and months to figure that kind of thing out. So
Speaker 1: Patriot Act level things or Patriot Act too, I heard
Speaker 1: rumors of these things as well, But again all that's
Speaker 1: just unsubstantiated claims and conspiracy theorists myself included, just coming
Speaker 1: up with their own things to make it make sense.
Speaker 1: But again, the fact that it was a bipartisan lie
Speaker 1: and they still have it going, that's enough to raise
Speaker 1: every single conceivable red flag for me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the fact that they knew people would notice means
Speaker 5: that whatever they were trying to find they calculated was
Speaker 5: worth a bunch of people noticing the drones and not
Speaker 5: having a good story for it.
Speaker 2: And that's the other thing.
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you just have drones with no lights on
Speaker 1: them if you're doing some secret, top level thing and
Speaker 1: you don't want the public to know about it, and
Speaker 1: allegedly the drones are flying so high that people can't
Speaker 1: hear them, why would you put lights on them? Unless
Speaker 1: they did their risk analysis on this and realized that
Speaker 1: if they had that many flying it's very possible that
Speaker 1: a helicopter or.
Speaker 2: Some shit would hit them. I could see that as well,
Speaker 2: and that would have been a lot harder to explain
Speaker 2: random helicopters hitting drones that aren't supposed to be there
Speaker 2: and crashing or something like that. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, Tony, you're living there pretty much in ground
Speaker 1: zero of the drone activity.
Speaker 2: What do you think on this one?
Speaker 4: So I've heard a couple theories, you know, obviously I
Speaker 4: heard the ones that you were going over. I was
Speaker 4: actually digging back with you know, from a conversation with
Speaker 4: my brother because he was, you know, send me a
Speaker 4: couple of things. When I saw him the one day,
Speaker 4: this was probably in January, he was saying that there
Speaker 4: was a word of something from can they were testing
Speaker 4: out AI with you know drone. You know, I guess
Speaker 4: they had AI controlling it. And then I also have
Speaker 4: another thing that he sent me, and uh, it was
Speaker 4: about us and China were testing out anti gravity drones.
Speaker 2: Now that would be interesting, but uh.
Speaker 4: You know the ones they were coming from the East
Speaker 4: coast come you know, going through New Jersey and just
Speaker 4: flying all around. But you know, when when we were
Speaker 4: by the ocean, they all were coming from over there,
Speaker 4: like you would just see like one by one, like
Speaker 4: they would come flying bye, and by the time it
Speaker 4: was like maybe like maybe I don't know how to say,
Speaker 4: maybe four four or five minutes of it coming towards you,
Speaker 4: you would see another like coming and then it would
Speaker 4: just like constantly like be a thing, and it would
Speaker 4: start at like five six pm and it it would
Speaker 4: always stop by two three o'clock in the morning. So
Speaker 4: they have like a time schedule too, which is weird.
Speaker 1: Now the anti gravity drones or anti gravity technology in general,
Speaker 1: that kind of leads credence to the Tesla bomber, if
Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken, the cyber truck bomber EXEA. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: That's what he was saying, is that China and America
Speaker 1: the only ones that have this type of anti gravity technology,
Speaker 1: although I highly highly doubt China's got that type of
Speaker 1: tech at this time.
Speaker 2: I don't know that to be a.
Speaker 4: Fact, you know what, To be honest with you, With
Speaker 4: China Joe in there, you know it all makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very possible that Joe gave him our urschematics
Speaker 1: to help them catch up on some things. And I
Speaker 1: mean we already know they steal everything. I mean how
Speaker 1: every year it's shot show the big, the Big Gun convention.
Speaker 1: Every year you'll have Chinese nationals, like clearly Chinese nationals
Speaker 1: who go there just to take pictures of everything so
Speaker 1: that they can go back to China and try to
Speaker 1: you know, make it up and retrofit it and reverse
Speaker 1: engineer its. So, I mean we know that they use
Speaker 1: deep seek to steal everything from chat GPT.
Speaker 2: Now Deep seek ist seen is.
Speaker 1: The latest and greatest of AI, and it's like, y'all
Speaker 1: realize they just stole from like five different other types
Speaker 1: of AI. Well, how do we know they left their
Speaker 1: servers open and we can tell that it was a
Speaker 1: CCP owned server that stole everything from deep seeks or
Speaker 1: from chat GPT and everything else.
Speaker 4: So, I mean, they're just trying to make our stock
Speaker 4: market collapse, That's what I personally think.
Speaker 2: They're giving it their damnedest.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, they they haven't been able to run the
Speaker 1: world on a military standpoint in quite some time. They've
Speaker 1: been trying to play the long con to tighten the economic.
Speaker 2: News around the world.
Speaker 1: I think that AI would be their best bet to
Speaker 1: do that. That's why that's the big the big race
Speaker 1: for data, the big Ai race.
Speaker 2: It's I'm even hearing some people say it's the new
Speaker 2: Cold War. I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's very possible, although not necessarily Cold War. We have
Speaker 1: wild things going on around the world right now that
Speaker 1: China does have representation in but so does Russia, Sodas
Speaker 1: Iran oddly enough, and Tony you being a big Russia supporter,
Speaker 1: what is your thoughts on the as are speaking about
Speaker 1: aircraft and things, what is your thoughts on the bidding
Speaker 1: war that just took place in India for a bunch
Speaker 1: of American former jets that we don't need anymore, and
Speaker 1: the new s or SUIT thirty five's or whatever the
Speaker 1: Russia's new jet is.
Speaker 5: I wasn't aware of a bidding war on anything, but
Speaker 5: I did hear a story that India was making their
Speaker 5: own F thirty five, Like I guess they bought the
Speaker 5: rights to make it or something, and so did so
Speaker 5: did Japan. Yeah, and both of them have like one
Speaker 5: or two of them now F thirty five. To me,
Speaker 5: it seems, based on most of what I've read, that
Speaker 5: a lot of people don't like it. It's been too
Speaker 5: expensive and it's taken too long to develop. You know,
Speaker 5: the P fifty one Mustang from World War Two was
Speaker 5: it went from drawing board to production in one hundred days,
Speaker 5: and F sixteen was a great fighter, but F twenty
Speaker 5: two was, you know, not as good and super expensive.
Speaker 5: It took forever and F thirty five is just exponentially
Speaker 5: more expensive and longer to make. That's my overall impression.
Speaker 5: As far as India though, I just saw that. I
Speaker 5: thought they got the rights to build one, and historically
Speaker 5: they've been very close to Russia though for the Cold War,
Speaker 5: so America was closer to Pakistan for much of the
Speaker 5: Cold War. And now I sense there's a realignment that
Speaker 5: Pakistan's more with the Muslim world on everything, and India
Speaker 5: of course really hates Pakistan and vice versa. So and
Speaker 5: India is also pretty pro Israel in their government, so
Speaker 5: there's a a general alignment where they're with the US
Speaker 5: on that front too.
Speaker 1: India's kind of the wildcard as far as where their
Speaker 1: alliances are per the year, per the decade, I should say,
Speaker 1: not necessarily the year, but definitely per decade. So long
Speaker 1: story short on this, India got the rights to build
Speaker 1: their own, but the schematics that we gave them was basically.
Speaker 2: A NERF down version of ours.
Speaker 1: We took away all of the really cool tech that
Speaker 1: is like integral to all of our stuff that's like proprietary,
Speaker 1: and we need to keep our tech in house. But
Speaker 1: as far as the capabilities of the fighter goes and
Speaker 1: the weapon systems and things like that, cool cool, cool.
Speaker 1: But they also kind of went into a I don't
Speaker 1: want to say a bidding war, but they basically decided
Speaker 1: to host an in house air show where they were
Speaker 1: going to put up the Russian new fighter, the SU
Speaker 1: thirty five or whatever the case. I don't know those
Speaker 1: schematics and numbers on that one, but I know it's
Speaker 1: the Sioux something and it's Russia's latest and greatest. They
Speaker 1: keep calling it a six gen fighter. I don't know
Speaker 1: why and how they're calling it that, but neither or there.
Speaker 1: And then they were trying to put it up against
Speaker 1: the F thirty five, and the day or the week
Speaker 1: that it was supposed to happen, they were going to
Speaker 1: try to just do a war games style mock dogfight
Speaker 1: between the two. America decided to pull back and take
Speaker 1: their fighter back, and India has now I think I'm
Speaker 1: not mistaken. They're getting ready to buy some Russian jets,
Speaker 1: and I think I might know why a lot of
Speaker 1: people are around the world are looking at America like,
Speaker 1: oh see, you know that your jet's not as capable
Speaker 1: as this one.
Speaker 2: That's why you pull back. You don't want to get embarrassed,
Speaker 2: and all these things.
Speaker 1: India and America signed a special military alliance a couple
Speaker 1: of years back. If I'm not mistaken, we are now
Speaker 1: as locked in with India as we are with Israel,
Speaker 1: like on some blood oath type shit. And if they're
Speaker 1: buying the Russian jets, that means that we will be
Speaker 1: able to have all the schematics and all the blueprints
Speaker 1: and all the funny little secrets about that jet that
Speaker 1: we will be able to now.
Speaker 2: Use for our advantage. I think this was kind of
Speaker 2: a six D chess move being played. What is everybody's
Speaker 2: thoughts on this?
Speaker 5: I guess as possible. I think we do have things
Speaker 5: to learn from Russian technology. And by the way, the
Speaker 5: sue Koy aircraft is the Sue fifty seven. That's de
Speaker 5: lining about it right now Algeria. But you know something,
Speaker 5: there's a sou fifty seven and Algeria right now. But yeah,
Speaker 5: that would be smart, if if, if we could learn
Speaker 5: the secrets of that machine. Uh. The other the main
Speaker 5: weapon that I think that the US needs to learn
Speaker 5: more about and catch up on is hypersonic missiles. There's
Speaker 5: these missiles. There's a couple different designs, but basically it's
Speaker 5: like a cruise missile but at the last, you know,
Speaker 5: a few miles before it hits the target, it turns
Speaker 5: on a rocket that accelerates it up to like MACK
Speaker 5: five so that anti missile defense systems can't shoot it down.
Speaker 5: So the US doesn't really have that yet. Russia's got
Speaker 5: it in Iran, and I think China have it.
Speaker 3: But.
Speaker 1: America doesn't have that that we're talking about.
Speaker 5: Or maybe maybe we kept it a secret better.
Speaker 1: But I mean, even still, Russia keeps going on and
Speaker 1: on about their hypersonic capabilities and yet none of it's
Speaker 1: been tested, none of it's been successful. They gave one
Speaker 1: to Iran and it was a dud. Now it's possible
Speaker 1: that it was that one in particular might have been
Speaker 1: a dud, or the people that fired it didn't know
Speaker 1: what they were doing because it's Iran.
Speaker 5: It's very possible ivaically, remember that Iran did launch some
Speaker 5: missiles at Israel. They launched a bunch of bad ones
Speaker 5: that were kind of like decoys meant to get shot down,
Speaker 5: and they launched I thought a couple hypersonics too, and
Speaker 5: I think Russia's also used a couple in Ukraine and
Speaker 5: specifically on Hei Mar's Ukrainian well US missile defense in Ukraine,
Speaker 5: they used the hypersonic to hit the hi Mars system.
Speaker 5: But what read about I think it was. But this
Speaker 5: is like a year or two ago. My memory is
Speaker 5: a little rusty on this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 1: I've only heard anything about the Russian beating their chest
Speaker 1: about the hypersonics here in the last like six months
Speaker 1: or so. And I don't know if that's just because
Speaker 1: if what they're claiming is true, they've had them developed
Speaker 1: for quite some time, but I don't know if they
Speaker 1: were able to I don't want to say mass produce them,
Speaker 1: because it's they're not exactly producing like thousands and thousands
Speaker 1: by any means. But I just for whatever reason, if
Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken, they couldn't produce the number of them
Speaker 1: to like put them on the front lines by any means.
Speaker 1: I think it was more of the It was still
Speaker 1: in the prototype phase and they're trying to now get
Speaker 1: it ready to do the mass production, or maybe they
Speaker 1: have in the past few months.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know. I I would love to
Speaker 2: see what happens with it.
Speaker 5: Well, what I read also is they were reticent to
Speaker 5: use them because they know that if they start using them,
Speaker 5: then the US and NATO are going to see these
Speaker 5: missiles getting used, and then our people will be able
Speaker 5: to come up with defense strategies against them. So that's
Speaker 5: another reason why they don't really want to use them
Speaker 5: unless they feel the need to.
Speaker 2: That sounds like a bluff, though, Well, I.
Speaker 5: Mean maybe I wonder if the you well, it's kind
Speaker 5: of like how the US doesn't just give Ukraine every
Speaker 5: you know, offensive and defensive system all at once. You know,
Speaker 5: we know that the Russians can learn our secrets too,
Speaker 5: just from the use of these weapons. And also there's
Speaker 5: we want to maintain escalation dominance. We want to maintain
Speaker 5: the ability to say, well we escalate a little bit now,
Speaker 5: and then a little bit more a week from now,
Speaker 5: and then a little bit more a month from now,
Speaker 5: and we don't want to escalate all the way all
Speaker 5: at once.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, that's why we get into high mars,
Speaker 1: which have been, by our defense levels, very antiquated technology.
Speaker 1: But I mean for most of the world, high mars
Speaker 1: are like cutting edge shit. So I'm with you on
Speaker 1: that one for sure. It's very possible that Russia is
Speaker 1: holding this one close to their chest for their own
Speaker 1: personal defense in case it's needed.
Speaker 2: You know, that's a possibility. Yeah, well, all right, what.
Speaker 1: Else we got to talk about tonight, y'all? Have we
Speaker 1: have gone down to the drone conversation? We're talking about
Speaker 1: Russia versus US things. The India almost dogfight war game
Speaker 1: that almost took place.
Speaker 2: I mean, that was a fascinating one anyway.
Speaker 1: Which still that's kind of that only happened within the
Speaker 1: last seven days, So I'm very interested to see if
Speaker 1: India actually does make.
Speaker 2: A move on that.
Speaker 1: I don't know, although the fact that they have that's
Speaker 1: height of an alliance with US. The fact that they're
Speaker 1: looking to Russia to buy equipment is strange to me.
Speaker 1: And it's not just because I'm anti Russia. I'm saying, like,
Speaker 1: if that was the case, you would think they would
Speaker 1: only want to buy from US.
Speaker 2: I mean, Japan in the same regard. But yeah, that's
Speaker 2: another one. Japan's beefing up their military, which is something
Speaker 2: that wasn't supposed to be allowed for quite some time
Speaker 2: after World War Two, but you know, Japanese military is
Speaker 2: back on the menu. Boys, I guess we'll see.
Speaker 4: But anyway, where do you think this uh doze investigations
Speaker 4: are going to lead off to? What do you think
Speaker 4: is the next target?
Speaker 1: I hope it's the Department of Education and they gut it,
Speaker 1: like absolutely gut it and take it out of the
Speaker 1: federal level. That's that's ridiculous to me. I just I'm
Speaker 1: happy to see the government fluff getting taken out. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of people that are saying that, like, it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter even if that does happen. It's not like
Speaker 1: the money's gonna go to better uses. They're just gonna
Speaker 1: find some other useless organization to stick it into. And
Speaker 1: I get that, and I mean, to some level that's true.
Speaker 1: But I'm also very hopeful. And it's not like this
Speaker 1: is gonna doze is not going to lower our taxes.
Speaker 2: I don't personally believe.
Speaker 1: That it may, but I am happy to see that
Speaker 1: the wasteful government spending is being brought to light, and
Speaker 1: that the guilty parties, I'm not even saying get brought
Speaker 1: to justice. Just fire them, just them and get them
Speaker 1: out of the positions they're in. I'm happy as hell
Speaker 1: about that.
Speaker 2: I don't know how far they're gonna go with it.
Speaker 1: They keep saying like all the way, didn't Elon and
Speaker 1: Trump just make a big statement about that as well? Uh,
Speaker 1: Elon had his kid in the Oval office with them.
Speaker 1: I didn't actually watch what was said. Do you remember
Speaker 1: what they were talking about in there?
Speaker 4: They were just going over a bunch of stuff what
Speaker 4: they found, and you know, like one hundred and fifty
Speaker 4: year olds on Social Security collecting for like the last
Speaker 4: however long they had government contracts that were for like
Speaker 4: three months, six months a year, but they're still paying
Speaker 4: the person over twenty years. You know, Just just a
Speaker 4: bunch of stuff like that, and then you know they're
Speaker 4: kind of poking at uh. You know, there's some politicians
Speaker 4: that make what two hundred and eighty five thousand, but
Speaker 4: now they're magically millionaires, you know, so they're they're they're
Speaker 4: they're looking into invest gating, like you know, Nancy Pelosi
Speaker 4: and all them.
Speaker 1: That makes you very happy, Oh Pelosi yourself. Yeah, she
Speaker 1: she absolutely needs to be investigated, and her husband and
Speaker 1: Mitch McConnell a, pretty much anybody over sixty five that's
Speaker 1: in DC. I think we just need to we're right
Speaker 1: off the rip, launch an investigation on them. Just guilty
Speaker 1: by association at this point. But yeah, that's excellent.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm I honestly didn't know that DOGE
Speaker 2: was going to be this effective this quickly. I had
Speaker 2: a lot of high hopes, but there hasn't been a
Speaker 2: lot of precedence to leave me to believe that this
Speaker 2: was going to be as successful as it already has been.
Speaker 1: So now that it has shown to be this successful
Speaker 1: this fast, I honestly don't know the how far this
Speaker 1: will go, Like on some very real levels, that they
Speaker 1: were to stop right now, just to day they decide
Speaker 1: to do away with DOGE. They've already shown this much
Speaker 1: fraud and this much corruption, and you can't unshow that. So,
Speaker 1: I mean they as far as bringing certain things to light,
Speaker 1: they did their job. As far as saving the United
Speaker 1: States people money, I mean, sky's the limit here.
Speaker 2: We have an annual budget.
Speaker 1: As far as our tax dollars go of was like
Speaker 1: four hundred trillion billion, something ridiculous like that, some ungodly
Speaker 1: number that most people can't even fathom. To find the
Speaker 1: cracks where all that money has been leaking out for
Speaker 1: the past few decades, this last century. I couldn't be happier.
Speaker 1: We shall see what happens with it, though.
Speaker 5: Many up in front of me, the US federal spending
Speaker 5: is seven trillion dollars a year, tax revenue is five trillion,
Speaker 5: and the budget deficit is two trillion dollars per year,
Speaker 5: and the national debt is thirty six trillion dollars right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, I thought about that too the
Speaker 2: other day.
Speaker 1: As we have the debt clock that every second is
Speaker 1: just racking up more and more debt per this per
Speaker 1: second as those is doing their shit, I'm wondering if
Speaker 1: that will ever just stop. I don't know if that's
Speaker 1: going to start going down at any point. I hope,
Speaker 1: I hope, But I'm also just curious if, like out
Speaker 1: of nowhere, that debt clock is going to just stop
Speaker 1: for even a minute, that would be just inconceivable.
Speaker 2: Gains as far as our tax dollars are concerned.
Speaker 5: I think last time there was a budget surplus was
Speaker 5: nineteen ninety five or so, when the Republicans to control
Speaker 5: of Congress and the demographics are more in the favor
Speaker 5: of it. But yeah, it's like trillions of dollars a
Speaker 5: year now. Social Security and mandatory spending are the main contributors.
Speaker 5: So yeah, we're kind of screwed. And the Federal Reserve
Speaker 5: does have some incentive to keep printing money for it.
Speaker 5: But you know, I used to be the super libertarian
Speaker 5: and super anti fed. I still kind of am. But
Speaker 5: you think Own powells better than Jane at Yellen, and
Speaker 5: the Federal Reserve right now is better than the well,
Speaker 5: the Treasury Department. I think the Treasury has more of
Speaker 5: an incentive to inflate money, and Jerome Powell's trying to
Speaker 5: actually give us better money and higher interest rates, which
Speaker 5: are less conducive to quick growth but more you know,
Speaker 5: long term, stable higher interest rates.
Speaker 2: I'm with you on that. I was.
Speaker 1: I was a libertarian for a very long time, and
Speaker 1: I guess for social issues, I guess I would call
Speaker 1: myself more libertarian. But as far as the system of
Speaker 1: government goes, the problem is that depending on which libertarian
Speaker 1: you're talking about They either want everybody to be homesteaders
Speaker 1: or they want actual anarchy, and that neither of which
Speaker 1: would be successful for the largest and most powerful country
Speaker 1: on earth to try to have as a as a
Speaker 1: MO It's it's just it's not a sustainable system.
Speaker 2: It's it's a great idea.
Speaker 1: I just I don't I don't trust people enough to
Speaker 1: have responsibility enough to take care of themselves.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: That's that to have a true libertarian society like they're
Speaker 1: talking about, would mean that every human being has to
Speaker 1: take responsibility for theirselves their well being. No more insurance
Speaker 1: companies you're not well. What happens if I get sick?
Speaker 1: You either go to the doctor and you afford it
Speaker 1: or you die. Like and that's just the way that is,
Speaker 1: And that's not sustainable. There's too many people that either
Speaker 1: a can't take care of themselves and point the finger
Speaker 1: at a number of reasons why that may be, or
Speaker 1: you know, pointed out the medical system for being too expensive,
Speaker 1: and I like, you see what I'm saying. It's like
Speaker 1: the system is already so ingrained that it's I wouldn't
Speaker 1: say impossible, but it would never work to swap over
Speaker 1: to that system, but yeah, it's.
Speaker 5: Probably not possible on a very large scale because people
Speaker 5: have a sinful nature, and kind of the same way,
Speaker 5: communism presupposes that, well, what if we could just teach everybody,
Speaker 5: educate everybody not to be greedy, wouldn't that be an Yeah,
Speaker 5: maybe that would be nice. But libertarianism kind of presupposes
Speaker 5: what if we could educate everybody not to initiate force
Speaker 5: into abide by the non aggression principle. Yeah, that'd be great,
Speaker 5: that'd be fantastic, But that people have a simple nature
Speaker 5: and there's always gonna be somebody who's willing to commit
Speaker 5: violence in order to take power. And power just exists,
Speaker 5: so somebody is gonna have it. And even if you
Speaker 5: have a free market economy that's very powerful, that's just
Speaker 5: going to increase the motivation for somebody to take over it.
Speaker 5: So whoever takes over it, I just hope that they're
Speaker 5: my friend.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that seems to be the going trend, right, Like
Speaker 1: we just we hope whoever's taking charge of next is
Speaker 1: gonna fuck us less than the alternative, you know, I mean, Trump.
Speaker 2: Being the guy that he is.
Speaker 1: That's kind of been my thought process on this I
Speaker 1: got into with my mom this past weekend.
Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, almost have got into it.
Speaker 1: But we have a difference of opinions because I am
Speaker 1: of the belief that Trump is like not a good guy.
Speaker 1: He's a great candidate, and he's gonna do well in
Speaker 1: the position and in the job that he's in. But like,
Speaker 1: it's not like he's some sort of like morals, morally
Speaker 1: upright gentleman and he's like just a stand abastion of ethics,
Speaker 1: like no, no, he's a businessman like that. Morals and
Speaker 1: ethics very rarely come into play in business. So I
Speaker 1: just I don't see that as being a thing that
Speaker 1: we need to look forward to on that front. However,
Speaker 1: I do think that America's bottom dollar is gonna be
Speaker 1: a little fatter during his term, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's it's the lesser of two evils kind of thing.
Speaker 1: But you know, all right, let's see here, Raven Lee,
Speaker 1: thank you for joining us this evening, and she has
Speaker 1: dropped a couple of bombs over here into the comments section.
Speaker 1: Let's see from Future Tech worse than an atomic bomb.
Speaker 1: Panic grows over japan labs handling deadliest virus viruses excuse me. Ohkay, sure,
Speaker 1: that's something that we needed to have on our bingo card. Actually,
Speaker 1: I think it is on the culture conspiracy bingo card.
Speaker 1: Let's see here. A plans laboratory at Nagasaki University to
Speaker 1: study deadly viruses like ebola and.
Speaker 2: Marburg. Okay, I've never heard of that.
Speaker 1: One has sparked fears of another pandemic in Japan, despite
Speaker 1: official assurances residents and residents and nedicins, I didn't know
Speaker 1: that was a word. Nedicin's excuse me, worry about potential leaks,
Speaker 1: comparing the risk to an atomic bomb. The concern stems
Speaker 1: from past speculation about the Wuhan Labs role in the
Speaker 1: COVID nineteen pandemic plan demic in Japan's lack of domestic
Speaker 1: research facilities during that crisis. The New Bio the New
Speaker 1: Bio Safety Level four BSL four facility, delayed for fifteen years,
Speaker 1: is currently in trial mode without active virus research. Officials
Speaker 1: claim such safety measures prevent leaks, but public skepticism Jesus Christ,
Speaker 1: this is such small writing in my eyes have gone
Speaker 1: worse and worse as the years gone by.
Speaker 2: Forgive me, good.
Speaker 1: People, but public skepticism remains high, especially given Japan's experience
Speaker 1: with the Fukushima disaster. Citizens, including manga artists Mayoma Karate Sure,
Speaker 1: have urged the government to address public concerns. The manga
Speaker 1: artist has spoken in on the subject. Ladies and gentlemen,
Speaker 1: But I'm not trying to dismiss that. Mangas or manga
Speaker 1: how you pronounce it. It's it's art for some people.
Speaker 1: While some have sarcastically suggested place in the lab near
Speaker 1: political leaders homes if it is truly safe, Yo, Now
Speaker 1: that's a thought. I like that a lot. As a
Speaker 1: matter of fact, do these bile they're so safe? Put
Speaker 1: it next to the royal palace.
Speaker 2: They don't have a royal palace in Japan anymore. I
Speaker 2: understand that.
Speaker 1: But you see what I'm saying, Like, yeah, put it
Speaker 1: next to the President's house, the Prime Minister's of state.
Speaker 2: Sure, I like that a lot.
Speaker 1: And if I'm not mistaken, Tony, look this one up
Speaker 1: and correct me on this Fukushima. They never actually stopped
Speaker 1: the leak, Like it's still leaking radioactive isotopes into the
Speaker 1: Sea of Japan right now, isn't.
Speaker 3: It every day?
Speaker 2: Every daking?
Speaker 6: It's still leaking. They never actually fixed it. They minimized it,
Speaker 6: but it's still leaking. And they did a whole thing
Speaker 6: on it about two years ago, Like there's actually a
Speaker 6: theme that you can go and watch and it shows
Speaker 6: how much that's actually been leaked every single day, and
Speaker 6: it shows how far it's spread. But they pretty much
Speaker 6: try to minimize the conversation about it. But no, it's
Speaker 6: still actively leaking.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And they have the audacity to tell America that
Speaker 1: we need to fix our own pollution problems and stuff,
Speaker 1: which yes, I agree that he needs to. We need
Speaker 1: to do better with recycling. We need to take care
Speaker 1: of the earth. I agree. China and India and apparently
Speaker 1: Japan they are not doing that. They're still leaking radiation
Speaker 1: into the ocean as we speak, and you know, that's
Speaker 1: that's interesting in and of itself. So, yeah, these guys
Speaker 1: are trying to build a new biolab that's going to
Speaker 1: be dealing with some of the world's most deadly AT viruses.
Speaker 2: I see another plandemic on the horizon, y'all.
Speaker 5: But I can't really correct you much on the Fukushima thing.
Speaker 5: I'm sure it's still leaking something. But the question is
Speaker 5: whether whether it's enough to be worth worrying about. But
Speaker 5: I can correct you on Japan still having an imperial
Speaker 5: palace because they still have an emperor. He just doesn't
Speaker 5: really do anything. Yeah, still they still have one. His
Speaker 5: name is Fumi Hito apparently, and it's kind of like
Speaker 5: the European royal families. He's just a celebrity. He doesn't
Speaker 5: have any political power.
Speaker 2: I had no idea why.
Speaker 1: Okay, So it's like the figurehead of the of the
Speaker 1: English monarchy and stuff.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think Herohita lived until like nineteen eighty
Speaker 5: nine or something. You lived a long time.
Speaker 1: They're known for their longevity the Japanese. Well that or
Speaker 1: they're known for killing themselves honorably and all of that.
Speaker 1: Or jumping from buildings, which is why all of their
Speaker 1: high rise buildings have to have safety nets every few
Speaker 1: stories because people be jumping from them so often.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they have the highest suicide rate in the world.
Speaker 5: Something about the culture.
Speaker 2: And that's the thing.
Speaker 1: It's not even like they it's not a depression thing.
Speaker 1: It's like an honor thing. It's a very it's a
Speaker 1: fascinating culture to dig into. And I mean, yes, on
Speaker 1: the Samurai side of it's sure, but even just the self,
Speaker 1: you know, taking yourself out, that's a whole thing. Hit
Speaker 1: the suicide forest there, if I'm not mistaken. That's where
Speaker 1: Jake Paul started being the Internet's most prolific hater. Yeah,
Speaker 1: go ahead, Tyler, I see your hand raised. You're mute,
Speaker 1: at dog.
Speaker 2: I look like that old man. Here we go, all right?
Speaker 2: Can you hear me?
Speaker 7: Can you hear me?
Speaker 3: Hey man, Jacob. Finally, dude, I've.
Speaker 7: Been trying to jump on the Colts Live and Someone's
Speaker 7: Live at some point, just just just to say what's up.
Speaker 3: And I've been working so much overtime.
Speaker 7: Holy hell, I'm on break right now, but I just
Speaker 7: wanted to just finally jump in and just say what's up, dude,
Speaker 7: and Dudets and all the dudes over here at the
Speaker 7: Occasion night and everybody else in the Colt fam.
Speaker 3: I just what's up. I'm so glad to be here
Speaker 3: and be a part of this stuff now.
Speaker 1: Glad to have you here with us, big Dog. I
Speaker 1: mean glad you're able to jump in and break at work.
Speaker 1: I've learned that too. There are so many of our
Speaker 1: people that are working night shifts that jump in whenever
Speaker 1: they can. I mean, hell, I was one of them
Speaker 1: for a good while here. Hell, I was shooting. I
Speaker 1: was shooting episodes on my night shifts when the time
Speaker 1: wouldn't allow for anything else. So I feel that one
Speaker 1: hundred percent.
Speaker 7: All right, hell yeah, dude, But hopefully it shouldn't last long.
Speaker 7: I was able at the very first Cult Live. I
Speaker 7: get home and you guys have like an hour and
Speaker 7: a half or so left, and I didn't.
Speaker 2: I couldn't.
Speaker 7: I didn't have my headphones, so I just had to
Speaker 7: sit and spectate. But dude, I, oh my gosh, I'm
Speaker 7: gonna be bugging the fuck out next week.
Speaker 3: I can't wait.
Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, bro, can't wait to see you there. And again,
Speaker 1: thank you for joining in tonight.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 7: Absolutely, I'm gonna still hang out, but I probably won't
Speaker 7: be able to talk as much, but but I'll chime
Speaker 7: in as much as I can.
Speaker 3: How am I going breaks you guys are still.
Speaker 7: Alive, I'll holler but anyways, my bad let me. I'll
Speaker 7: get back to it and I'll keep But I just
Speaker 7: wanted to say what stuff? And I love y'all. And
Speaker 7: I listened to every episode from day one, and I
Speaker 7: have I have some fans got so just I love it.
Speaker 3: I didn't.
Speaker 2: We love you and we should appreciate the support.
Speaker 3: So hell yeah, absolutely absolutely, Tony.
Speaker 2: What you looking up over there, brother.
Speaker 5: I'm looking up how many beckels and paida beckels and
Speaker 5: millis siverts of radiation came out of Fukushima and it
Speaker 5: depends how far away you live from it, And it
Speaker 5: just I don't know how to make all this data
Speaker 5: makes sense because I don't know these units super well.
Speaker 5: I should. Actually, I have a radiation meter that I
Speaker 5: used for my job, and I have to make sure
Speaker 5: that X ray machines emit less than zero point five
Speaker 5: mm per hour because that's the legal limit here.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I forget how that converts to seaverts and what's safe
Speaker 5: and what's unsafe. So if you give me time, I
Speaker 5: can get back to you on that later.
Speaker 2: All right, fair enough? Fair enough.
Speaker 1: My only experience is with radiation itself, as far as
Speaker 1: an industry goes, would be in either a X ray
Speaker 1: machines or B I was working at Dow Chemical for
Speaker 1: a little bit there, and we were doing a turnaround
Speaker 1: on a unit that should not have had anything radioactive
Speaker 1: within it at all. And uh for reasons unbeknownst to
Speaker 1: me because at the time I was not I was
Speaker 1: in school, I think for process tech. I hadn't gone
Speaker 1: in for my instrumentation degree yet. And I remember they
Speaker 1: shut down the turnaround. This was it was turning a
Speaker 1: two point four million dollar a day unit into a four.
Speaker 2: Point eight million dollar a day unit.
Speaker 1: And so every day that this thing was down was
Speaker 1: costing big money, right, So they shut it down for
Speaker 1: like three consecutive days in the middle of a shutdown,
Speaker 1: which was like when I say shut down on a shutdown,
Speaker 1: they shut the unit down to do a bunch of
Speaker 1: big maintenance to it in big upgrades and all this stuff.
Speaker 1: And for three days they told everybody to not clock
Speaker 1: in and we couldn't figure out why. They had apparently
Speaker 1: found some pipe that was emitting radiation. And that's not
Speaker 1: good because this is it was an LHC two unit
Speaker 1: or LAC three light hydrocarbon two.
Speaker 2: So I mean we're talking about the the lighter.
Speaker 1: Components of when you distill, you know, hydrocarbons from crude oil.
Speaker 1: Talking about your methanes and ethanes and and oh, what's
Speaker 1: the three one?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 5: Quatrain yet heane heptane.
Speaker 2: It's been a while since I did organics.
Speaker 1: That used to be my shit. I misorganic chemistry. I
Speaker 1: actually enjoyed that class. But anyway, so it was like
Speaker 1: the lighter components of these and a couple of these
Speaker 1: pipes had radiation emitting from them, and they shut everything
Speaker 1: down to bring out people with the meters and all this,
Speaker 1: And I learned what NORMS is naturally occurring radioactive material.
Speaker 1: And while that is a thing that does happen in
Speaker 1: very rare situations, they still never were able to give
Speaker 1: us a clear description as to why stainless steel and
Speaker 1: carbon steel pipes with LHC running through it was somehow
Speaker 1: able to start producing.
Speaker 2: Its own radioactive isotopes.
Speaker 1: They never really gave us a good description on that.
Speaker 1: But three days later they said, oh, it's all good,
Speaker 1: go back to work. What about the radiation. It's not
Speaker 1: enough to hurt you. Get back to work. It's like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that sounds about right. That's industry for you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, we can measure amounts of radiation that are
Speaker 5: way smaller than anything that can hurt you. And I'm
Speaker 5: just looking this up through AI, Google's AI. The Annual
Speaker 5: Radiation dose limit for workers. It's zero point zero five seaverts,
Speaker 5: which would be fifty millisieverts or fifty thousand micro seaverts.
Speaker 5: And what came out of Fukushima at a distance of
Speaker 5: thirty kilometers was three two, one hundred and seventy micro seaverts.
Speaker 5: So it sounds pretty small to me, but definitely measurable.
Speaker 5: As for radioactive stuff in petroleum, it's probably just coming
Speaker 5: from way under the Earth's surface because there's a lot
Speaker 5: of radioactive stuff down there. That's in fact why the
Speaker 5: Earth can stay as warm as it does, because the
Speaker 5: Earth it's more heat energy into space than it absorbs
Speaker 5: from the Sun because we've got lots of unburnt or
Speaker 5: un you know, fizsile, uranium and stuff way down in
Speaker 5: the core that keeps the center of the Earth so high.
Speaker 5: And if we didn't have that, our core would have
Speaker 5: frozen a long time ago. We wouldn't have the magnetic field,
Speaker 5: and we wouldn't be able to live on Earth because
Speaker 5: we'd be getting a lot more solarate radiation through the
Speaker 5: atmosphere and because it wouldn't be redirected away from the
Speaker 5: Earth by the magnetic field. So that's all good, and
Speaker 5: you know, I've I've read somewhere that there's these old
Speaker 5: baths in Japan and an ancient rome where they have
Speaker 5: a lot of rad on so it's enough not to
Speaker 5: kill you, but to be noticeable and higher than the background.
Speaker 5: So some people speculate a little bit of this radiation
Speaker 5: might actually be good for you. And I work on
Speaker 5: X rays, I mentioned, but X rays.
Speaker 2: A little bit of radiation be good for you, Doug.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, a little bit of alpha beta particles. Actually,
Speaker 5: I don't know a hell of a lot about it,
Speaker 5: but yeah, X ray is an example of ionizing radiation,
Speaker 5: and I do work with that. But one great thing
Speaker 5: about X ray analyzers is if you turn off the electricity,
Speaker 5: there's no radiation coming out of it, unlike some instruments
Speaker 5: that use radioactive elopments like amrisium. Yeah, okay, I feel bad.
Speaker 5: I kind of interrupted a little bit. Zombie head or
Speaker 5: hand up.
Speaker 2: No, No, you're good. I was gonna say, actually, to
Speaker 2: your point, that makes more sense that it would come
Speaker 2: from crude oil.
Speaker 1: Who is witch is bouncing around with other natural radioactive
Speaker 1: sources under the earth. I was talking to later on
Speaker 1: after I left that job site and everything. One of
Speaker 1: my professors at the college actually retired from DAL from
Speaker 1: that unit, And as soon as I brought up the norms,
Speaker 1: he's like, oh, yeah, that happens about every ten years
Speaker 1: or so. You got to take everything down and put
Speaker 1: new stuff up. And I'm like, wait why, He's like,
Speaker 1: because that unit, it just the pipe after a while
Speaker 1: goes slightly radioactive, and just to make sure everything's on
Speaker 1: the up and up, they'll revamp everything. And he couldn't
Speaker 1: explain to me why that was. But apparently that was
Speaker 1: a very normal thing for now. So okay, that kind
Speaker 1: of makes sense, but uh, go ahead, they're raven.
Speaker 2: Your hand was raised.
Speaker 6: I was reading about. So in twenty twenty three, they
Speaker 6: released an article talking about the disasters of like the
Speaker 6: biggest concern is the tanks that are still there, so
Speaker 6: they have like in twenty eleven was when they contaminated
Speaker 6: water started to like slow over and they still haven't
Speaker 6: handled it. As of two twenty three, the tanks are
Speaker 6: like ninety six percent full, which is like one point
Speaker 6: three one point thirty seven million tons of just one
Speaker 6: in one and pretty much the pipes connect to the
Speaker 6: coastal water pools that they have and the problem is
Speaker 6: is that they're leaking over because they don't They actually
Speaker 6: haven't done anything with the water. And pretty much what
Speaker 6: it says is that the community is around them. If
Speaker 6: the tanks, the massive tanks, are the most disturbing thing.
Speaker 6: Next time the water leaks out anymore by accident, the
Speaker 6: fishing will be completely done. And pretty much it talks
Speaker 6: about how the fishing in the area has already been destroyed.
Speaker 6: The radioactive like they found it in like all of
Speaker 6: the sea life around there for miles and miles. It'll
Speaker 6: take forty years to decommission the process, but they haven't
Speaker 6: even begun it. It's a whole it's a whole thing.
Speaker 6: So like pretty much is just sitting there stagnant and
Speaker 6: then collecting more radioactive waste that is spewing over and
Speaker 6: they don't really know what to do with it.
Speaker 1: So wow, Okay, Now, like you were saying, Tony, a
Speaker 1: little bit leaking into the ocean, which is like negligible
Speaker 1: after a couple of miles, that's one thing. And I
Speaker 1: get that as far as like an accident goes, the slow,
Speaker 1: steady leak over time, coupled with what she just brought up,
Speaker 1: I could see that being a bit more of an issue.
Speaker 1: But and this thing, I don't know if Japan's not
Speaker 1: fixing it because they don't care or because they actually
Speaker 1: don't have a viable solution for this problem.
Speaker 2: Like I honestly couldn't tell you.
Speaker 6: They don't have a solution, Like they don't have enough
Speaker 6: places to put the waste, at least what I'm reading
Speaker 6: from it. They have another article that came out a
Speaker 6: year later that's different, but it doesn't make much sense
Speaker 6: because it's still like they're not they don't have a
Speaker 6: place to put the radioactive waste from it from the tanks,
Speaker 6: and they haven't really started any decommissioning of the of
Speaker 6: the plant itself, and those pools are that's where it
Speaker 6: ended up having the tsunami come over, and that's how
Speaker 6: like all of it kind of came in because it
Speaker 6: was underneath and like the the tanks underneath of the
Speaker 6: radioactive of the nuclear things where that's where like all
Speaker 6: of it accumulated, I guess. And so yeah, they don't
Speaker 6: really have a place to do anything with all damn.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I forgot about the tsunami that they experienced.
Speaker 1: That would make more sense for sure, as far as
Speaker 1: why the water got so contaminated and how it became even.
Speaker 2: More of a problem than it already was.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's fascinating and that sucks because I'm a big
Speaker 1: proponent of nuclear power. I think that is absolutely the
Speaker 1: way of the future. I mean, I get it. And
Speaker 1: in America we don't really have many examples of a
Speaker 1: disaster like that happening, but other countries have different safety
Speaker 1: protocols that they deem to be acceptable.
Speaker 2: I mean, I know this is not.
Speaker 1: Fair comparing this to Chernobyl, because that's a whole separate
Speaker 1: situation and that's something that they also didn't really have
Speaker 1: a solution for, so they just kind of buried it
Speaker 1: all in a cement tomb and they're just waiting on
Speaker 1: the nuclear fire to go out before they can do
Speaker 1: anything else. But even to that point, there are people
Speaker 1: that will go to Chernobyl right now with their meters
Speaker 1: and they'll show areas that are higher in radioactive material
Speaker 1: and activity and other areas that.
Speaker 2: Are not so much. And yeah, wild things, wild things.
Speaker 1: This is all part of the reason why people are
Speaker 1: scared of nuclear power, and I think that that's it's
Speaker 1: understandable why people would be scared of it. But I
Speaker 1: still think it's the cleanest and the best thing having
Speaker 1: happening moving forward as far as energy creation is concerned.
Speaker 1: But damn Okay, so the Fukushima situation is still underway.
Speaker 2: One hundred tony, you find anything on your end?
Speaker 5: Uh No, I've found a lot of data, but it's overwhelming.
Speaker 5: So I'll just demure.
Speaker 1: About to say, if you're if you're able to break
Speaker 1: it down to Layman's terms, go for it. But I
Speaker 1: feel like most people don't even understand the units of
Speaker 1: measure that you're even speaking on, so it's it's hard
Speaker 1: to compare.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's beckerels, there's uh the seaverts, there's rem Rentkin
Speaker 5: equivalent in Man. That's just units, and people argue about
Speaker 5: what is really a safe level in a like a
Speaker 5: day or a week or a year. I don't know,
Speaker 5: so I'll have to get back to you later.
Speaker 1: That's fair, And again I think it also depends on
Speaker 1: what country you're in. Like certain countries we have in
Speaker 1: this country, X ray texts have to leave the room
Speaker 1: before they hit the button because if they do that
Speaker 1: all day, every day, it's very possible they'll get some
Speaker 1: side effects from it. Other countries may not have certain
Speaker 1: safety protocols even for their medical staffers, let alone the
Speaker 1: people working in their nuclear sites. So I mean, it
Speaker 1: really depends on the source of where that article was written,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So yeah, interesting stuff, and
Speaker 1: we definitely need to keep an eye on the Fukushima situation.
Speaker 1: Let's see. Raven also sent another article in here. It
Speaker 1: says world's first three D printed neural tissue grows.
Speaker 2: And functions like a human brain.
Speaker 1: Oh, for the love of God, Okay, researchers have created
Speaker 1: the first functional three D printed brain tissue that can
Speaker 1: develop and form connections in the same way as.
Speaker 2: Real human brain tissue. That's pretty scary.
Speaker 1: But before I keep reading here, Anthony, go ahead, sir,
Speaker 1: your hand is raised.
Speaker 8: Oh no, I just was double checking something, looking at something.
Speaker 8: We're talking about politics and every and everything. Uh So
Speaker 8: I found a clip. It's on Instagram. I don't know
Speaker 8: how to freaking share shit on my freaking phone that
Speaker 8: this fucking thing is weird.
Speaker 1: See if you can copy and paste it into the
Speaker 1: chat and I'll play it if.
Speaker 3: I should be able to do that.
Speaker 8: Hold on, because yeah, this thing, this thing is crazy,
Speaker 8: because this this chick is out of pocket like.
Speaker 2: A good way or a bad way, no bad way
Speaker 2: on a side.
Speaker 8: Note, on the side, So I'm gonna post this in
Speaker 8: the chat right now.
Speaker 3: On a side note.
Speaker 8: I also just watched the news clip that a couple
Speaker 8: of guys went missing and then we're found dead searching
Speaker 8: for Bigfoot literally right up the road.
Speaker 2: We heard about that, right outside of Portland.
Speaker 1: Huh yeah, And you tell me, is it more likely
Speaker 1: that some homeless vagrants killed them and robbed them or
Speaker 1: that the sam Squanche actually tore these dudes limb from limb.
Speaker 2: I don't know, Okay, so me.
Speaker 8: And in the Pacific Northwest, the two main floor unquote
Speaker 8: hotspots for bigfoot is I'm gonna slaughter the name Gifford
Speaker 8: Pinchent National Park and Mount Hood National Forest. These guys
Speaker 8: went missing in Gifford Pinchet National National Park, which is
Speaker 8: actually the same national.
Speaker 2: Forest area where I forget the guy's.
Speaker 8: Name, but he's the one that started Sasquatch chronicles. That's
Speaker 8: where he had his Bigfoot sightings, his alleged bigfoot sighting.
Speaker 3: And it's it's it's a whole, it's it's.
Speaker 8: Far enough out that the likelihood of it being some
Speaker 8: vagrants is slim. I wouldn't say him. I wouldn't say
Speaker 8: it's impossible, but it's a greater than zero percent chance,
Speaker 8: but I would say less than five.
Speaker 6: WOWI fit's so real.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's not real. I'm just but do
Speaker 2: we believe that that's what killed the hikers?
Speaker 8: I mean, look, I'm born and raised in the Portland area.
Speaker 8: I've been almost everywhere within about one hundred and one
Speaker 8: hundred and fifty miles of his damn place. Uh and
Speaker 8: I have seen a lot of weird shit in my time.
Speaker 8: H Like, I'm gonna be honest, when Bill Gates talks
Speaker 8: about getting rid of half of the population depending on
Speaker 8: the day, I am open to having the conversation. But
Speaker 8: uh no, I mean there's like people always hear, oh,
Speaker 8: Portland keep it weird, and they're thinking, like all the
Speaker 8: LGBT shit, Like, No, there's a lot of darker, weird
Speaker 8: shit that happens in and around this area.
Speaker 1: Look, I'm all about keeping things weird, but also Portland
Speaker 1: keeps it too weird. I think we as regular saying
Speaker 1: human beings can all acknowledge that, right, Yeah, and it's
Speaker 1: not letting me open up the Instagram it's trying to
Speaker 1: make me log in, and then it's trying to make
Speaker 1: me oh, here we go. Finally, Jesus, here we go.
Speaker 1: That took way too long. All right, so let's go
Speaker 1: ahead and do that. I'm gonna share the screen at
Speaker 1: this time, and let's let's explore this, uh, this crazy
Speaker 1: person from that area.
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 1: Ayana Presley openly admits she's willing to work with anyone
Speaker 1: who wants to censor Americans.
Speaker 2: Well, let's dive in, shall we.
Speaker 9: I'm rich here, I'll speak on behalf of my colleagues.
Speaker 9: Something I can say. We are all willing to work
Speaker 9: with anyone who's serious about doing the work of censoring
Speaker 9: the American people and advancing progress.
Speaker 3: But they are not sick.
Speaker 1: I feel like that's one negates the other on that one.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna censor America and have forward progress? I
Speaker 1: feel like you you can't do that. That's that's a
Speaker 1: counterproductive to week.
Speaker 8: Well, that depends on your definition of progress. What what
Speaker 8: are you progressing towards.
Speaker 1: That's a very good point, okay, And that's a is
Speaker 1: that like an elected person in that area?
Speaker 8: No, So I look, man, I've just been on one
Speaker 8: of the last couple of days.
Speaker 2: And my Instagram feed has been.
Speaker 3: Varied.
Speaker 8: Yeah, like, look, if I'm wrong and y'all Christians are right,
Speaker 8: I fucking hope my Instagram reveals are not held against me.
Speaker 8: I've got I'm gonna have enough problems.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Okay, So this is a representative Ayanna Presley. Yeah she
Speaker 1: is a congresswoman.
Speaker 2: Oh okay.
Speaker 1: So there's actual adults with the right to vote and
Speaker 1: all that that voted that woman into power. That's scary,
Speaker 1: but all right, that would be that's Portland for you.
Speaker 8: That's oh come on, Jacob, We're in a democracy. Everybody
Speaker 8: has an equal right to vote, regardless of how intelligent
Speaker 8: they are.
Speaker 2: Its bro. That bothers me so much.
Speaker 1: I'm all about barriers to entry, you know me. I'm
Speaker 1: I'm a fan of them so so much.
Speaker 8: I understand why in most states felons are not allowed
Speaker 8: to vote. Yeah, Like, like, I mean, I'm doing good now,
Speaker 8: but like, up until about five years ago, I was
Speaker 8: not doing anything to contribute to society.
Speaker 3: Why would I be?
Speaker 1: Hey, But I also feel like there's a difference between
Speaker 1: a fellon for a violent crime and a non violent crime,
Speaker 1: or like a victimless crime. These types of things, right,
Speaker 1: there's new ones.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 8: I don't, I don't fall under Yeah no, I yeah,
Speaker 8: I fucked up, like I can't know guns. I yeah,
Speaker 8: like I I fucked I fucked all the way up.
Speaker 1: Hey, props to you for being able to acknowledge your
Speaker 1: faults and put your past, indeed in your past, and
Speaker 1: becoming a better human being as a result of these things.
Speaker 8: So well, look, I tell everybody my dreams failed when
Speaker 8: they caught out Choppa the second time, because I knew
Speaker 8: I could never do it at that point.
Speaker 2: I mean, but he escaped on a motorcycle on underground tunnels,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And they got him again.
Speaker 8: Yeah, once they got the second time. Like I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 8: there's no like my last name is it raw Child
Speaker 8: or Rockefeller? Like I got like, I got, I got
Speaker 8: nothing coming.
Speaker 2: Heard that? Heard that?
Speaker 1: But I wow, that's amazing. And yes to your point
Speaker 1: about people being able to vote that have no business voting,
Speaker 1: Ah yeah that h h. I've spoken on that so
Speaker 1: many times. At this point, I feel like I'm just
Speaker 1: beating a dead horse to the point of like might
Speaker 1: even beat that shit alive again. It's a yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: not a fan of our current political system. I don't
Speaker 1: like it, but it's the one that we were born into.
Speaker 2: So here we are.
Speaker 1: But uh yeah, that woman there, so she's talking about
Speaker 1: censoring the American people even heavier than we already are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't support that personally. Wow, Okay, going back here,
Speaker 2: all right, So let's let's pick up where we left
Speaker 2: off about the first three D printed brain tissue. That's
Speaker 2: pretty fucking insane, uh breaking the news?
Speaker 1: Oh excuse me, I mean sorry, Raven Lee, you actually
Speaker 1: sent something else after that? Real quick, Let's stay on
Speaker 1: the three D printed brain tissue. So are we talking
Speaker 1: about like full on cyborgs, like able to have animatronic
Speaker 1: feelings and brain processes, and we could mix that with
Speaker 1: AI to create actual terminator things.
Speaker 2: Is that what's happening here? Because I'm not okay with that, y'all.
Speaker 1: However, if they are able to three D print brain tissue,
Speaker 1: that could maybe be a replacement for people that are
Speaker 1: suffering from dementia or something like that, or Alzheimer's, and
Speaker 1: they're able to splice in some functioning brain matter in there,
Speaker 1: that could be dope.
Speaker 2: I guess it really depends.
Speaker 6: Still, the link that I sent is the one the
Speaker 6: neuroscience when it kind of explains more about it.
Speaker 3: Got you?
Speaker 4: All right?
Speaker 1: Let me go ahead and pull that up at this time.
Speaker 1: Oh all right, go ahead and share the screen on
Speaker 1: that one as well. Why is it pulling that up?
Speaker 1: That's not what I just clicked? Okay, do here we
Speaker 1: are revolutionary three D printed brain tissue mimics human function.
Speaker 2: Summary of it anyway. Researchers developed the world's first three
Speaker 2: D printed brain tissue that grows and behaves similarly to
Speaker 2: natural brain tissue, marking a significant leap forward for neurological
Speaker 2: and neurodevelopmental disorder research. Hey, okay, we're on the right
Speaker 2: track here.
Speaker 1: This novel three D printing technique uses a horizontal layering
Speaker 1: approach and a softer bio inc allowing neurons to interconnect
Speaker 1: and form networks akin to human brain structures. The ability
Speaker 1: to precisely control cell types and arrangements provided or provides
Speaker 1: unparalleled opportunities to study brain functions and disorders in a
Speaker 1: controlled environment, offering new avenues for drug testing and understanding
Speaker 1: brain development and diseases like Alzheimer's and Parkinson's.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm I'm on board with that.
Speaker 1: Actually, as long as they will put it into robots
Speaker 1: and I think we'll be okay. But as far as
Speaker 1: trying to understand the human mind more and map out
Speaker 1: human brain functions and stuff, I see that as a
Speaker 1: very positive thing, honestly.
Speaker 2: Key facts.
Speaker 1: The three D printed brain tissue can form networks and
Speaker 1: communicate through neurotransmitters similar to human brain interactions. This new
Speaker 1: printing method allows for precise control over cell types and
Speaker 1: arrangements are passing capabilities of traditional.
Speaker 2: Brain organoids organoids all right.
Speaker 1: The technique is accessible to many labs not requiring special
Speaker 1: equipment or cultural methods, and can significantly impact the study
Speaker 1: of various neurological conditions and treatments.
Speaker 2: That's pretty wild.
Speaker 1: See, I'm fine with our tax dollars going and funding that.
Speaker 1: Let's do that, not you know, bearded circus ladies on
Speaker 1: ice singing about global warming. Let's a couple million towards
Speaker 1: this group. This research group is doing seams off surface
Speaker 1: anyway to be doing some very good things.
Speaker 2: This article is from Februs Worry first of twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: So, I mean, hell, if they're doing that much progress
Speaker 1: in this direction and it's only been getting better from there.
Speaker 2: I support that one hundred percent absolutely, Okay.
Speaker 1: Next, the next article that Raven Lee has shared breaking news,
Speaker 1: the mysterious fog is back and and private lab conducted
Speaker 1: tests on the particles in the fog and discovered that
Speaker 1: the fall contains large amounts of bacteria Seratia Markuskins mars
Speaker 1: Eskan's sure known to cause extreme respiratory issues and hospitalizations. Alarmingly,
Speaker 1: it has been discovered that this same bacteria was sprayed
Speaker 1: by the US Navy in the nineteen fifties from a
Speaker 1: ship just off the coast of San Francisco. But it
Speaker 1: want it wafted inland and made the residents. The residents
Speaker 1: quite sick. The US Navy sprayed a bunch of particles
Speaker 1: in the air to make people sick.
Speaker 2: Or was that their intention?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think they were testing out you know, that
Speaker 4: chemical or what of the bacteria.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in the nineteen fifties they did that, and then
Speaker 1: in the nineteen sixties, San Francisco became the hippie mecca,
Speaker 1: and then in the nineteen seventies it became the gay Mecca.
Speaker 2: Coincidence, I think.
Speaker 5: Not a French town. They got cocaine or something a
Speaker 5: psychedelic in it's bred in the mid fifties, introduced by CIA,
Speaker 5: I think just as an experiment. Yeah, they threw a
Speaker 5: bunch of some hallucinogen in the flower supply. So the
Speaker 5: baker made a bunch of loves of bread and everybody
Speaker 5: ate these baguettes and they all got high off of
Speaker 5: it unintentionally, and there were people jumping out of windows
Speaker 5: and they could fly. This happened somewhere in France. I
Speaker 5: wish I could remember the details. It's been a few years.
Speaker 1: I mean, the CIA was doing a lot of weird
Speaker 1: experiments with LSD and hallucinogenics during that time, and for
Speaker 1: a little bit of that, I could understand the research
Speaker 1: being done. And you wanted to test how certain things
Speaker 1: would affect random people. Okay, I don't support that obviously,
Speaker 1: but I understand at least why that experiment would want
Speaker 1: to get done.
Speaker 2: Bro, what would be the purpose, Like, what would be
Speaker 2: the goal?
Speaker 1: What was the fucking hypothesis on that scientific method?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like, I, okay, let's get a bunch of people who
Speaker 1: loosen to genics.
Speaker 2: Just to see what happens. Sure, go ahead, Raven.
Speaker 6: That article. I just dropped. And there is from the
Speaker 6: Smiths Smithsonian's talking about that experiment from the nineteen fifties
Speaker 6: and spraying the bioweapons.
Speaker 1: Oh, here we go. All right, I'm gonna go ahead
Speaker 1: and share the screen on this one as well. We
Speaker 1: are just we are rolling through some great things on
Speaker 1: this evening, Ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 2: Let's do it.
Speaker 1: This is from the Smithsonian magazine. In nineteen fifty, the
Speaker 1: US released a bioweapon in San Francisco. It was one
Speaker 1: of hundreds of bioweapons simulations carried out in the nineteen
Speaker 1: fifties and sixties.
Speaker 2: As as a picture here.
Speaker 1: As part of a bioweapon experiment, Ceratia Marqus Skins sure
Speaker 1: pictured above on an alga plate.
Speaker 2: Look at that.
Speaker 1: Was released in San Francisco back in nineteen fifty. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna just ruin that and just call it. The bacterium
Speaker 1: lives in soil and water and is best known for
Speaker 1: its ability to produce bright red pigment. This flashy trait
Speaker 1: makes this particular microbe useful in experiments because it's so
Speaker 1: bright it's easily it's easy to see where it is.
Speaker 1: And in nineteen fifty, the US military harnessed that power
Speaker 1: in a large scale biowarfare test on This was written
Speaker 1: by Rebecca Creston and her blog Body Horrors for Scientific America.
Speaker 1: Beginning on September twenty sixth, nineteen fifty, the crew of
Speaker 1: the US Navy Minesweepership spent six days spraying the bacterium
Speaker 1: into the air about two miles off the northern California coast.
Speaker 1: The project was called Operation Sea Spray, and its aim
Speaker 1: was to determine the susceptibility of a big city like
Speaker 1: San Francisco to a bioweapon attack by terrorists WOW. In
Speaker 1: the following days, the military took samples at forty three
Speaker 1: sites attract the bacteria spread and found that it had
Speaker 1: quickly infested not only the city but the surrounding suburbs
Speaker 1: as well. During the test, residents of these areas would
Speaker 1: have inhaled millions of bacterial spores. Clearly, the test showed
Speaker 1: San Francisco and the cities with small similar sizes and
Speaker 1: topography could face germ ware warfare threats. In this regard,
Speaker 1: the experiment was a success, writes Creston, but there was
Speaker 1: a catch. At the time, the US military thought that
Speaker 1: the bacterium couldn't harm humans. The bug was mostly known
Speaker 1: for the red spots it produced on infested foods and
Speaker 1: had not widely been linked to clinical conditions. That changed
Speaker 1: when one week after the test, eleven local residents checked
Speaker 1: into Stanford University Hospital complaining of UTIs. Upon testing their
Speaker 1: p doctors noticed the pathogen had a red hue. Infection
Speaker 1: with the bacterium was so rare that the outbreak was
Speaker 1: extensively investigated by the university to identify the origins of
Speaker 1: the scarlet letter bug.
Speaker 2: Really, that's interesting.
Speaker 1: After scientists identified the microbe, the case collectively became the
Speaker 1: first recorded outbreak of this bacterium. One patient, a man
Speaker 1: named Edward Nevin, who was recovering from prostate surgery, died,
Speaker 1: and some have suggested that the release forever change the air.
Speaker 2: Oh God, of course these ads.
Speaker 1: Where was I'm Some have suggested that the release forever
Speaker 1: changed the area's micro biological ecology, as Bernadette Tanzy pointed
Speaker 1: out from the San Francisco Chronicle in two thousand and four.
Speaker 1: The military performed similar tests in other cities across the
Speaker 1: country over the next two decades, until Richard Nixon halted
Speaker 1: all germ warfare research in nineteen sixty nine San Francisco.
Speaker 1: The San Francisco experiment did not become public knowledge until
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy six. Wow, that's scary for a whole plethora
Speaker 1: of reasons. So they're saying that this fog might be
Speaker 1: a newer version of this. Okay, how can we tell
Speaker 1: if it's the sick fog versus regular fog?
Speaker 4: Is it?
Speaker 2: Pink? I?
Speaker 3: Sorry?
Speaker 6: Go ahead, Tony, Hey, can you actually tell Taylor Tyler
Speaker 6: to meet himself? Because his noise is picking up?
Speaker 2: All you yourself? All good, brother, all good? All right? Cool? Uh, Tony,
Speaker 2: go ahead.
Speaker 4: It wasn't like the fog like uh, that was very
Speaker 4: recent right, like within like maybe like the last month
Speaker 4: or two.
Speaker 2: I remember hearing about it last year.
Speaker 4: Didn't like where where exactly did it go? Or like
Speaker 4: what was it like the pattern of the movement in America?
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying, was it wasn't it everywhere? Or
Speaker 4: am I thinking it about something different?
Speaker 8: No?
Speaker 1: Because depending on the article you were read right now,
Speaker 1: we were talking about doing an episode on it on
Speaker 1: the Cult of Conspiracy. But the problem was, depending on
Speaker 1: the source you were reading from, would tell you five
Speaker 1: different stories as to where it came from, what it's doing,
Speaker 1: and what the side effects. Me All we knew was
Speaker 1: that certain areas that typically didn't get that dense a fog,
Speaker 1: we're getting it and people were getting sick as a result. Now,
Speaker 1: quote unquote official narrative would say, yes, more humidity in
Speaker 1: the air, or the hum didity as Theovonne would say.
Speaker 2: Would uh would make you a little sicker.
Speaker 1: You know, you get the sniffle as you start coughing
Speaker 1: up phlegm, and like, yeah, you'll get sick whenever you're
Speaker 1: in a higher fog density area.
Speaker 2: But this would be different. And that's I have no idea.
Speaker 1: You know, we might actually have to do an episode
Speaker 1: on this, because Operation Sea Spray is an interesting conspiracy
Speaker 1: conspiratorial conversation I have in the first place, and how
Speaker 1: that links to the current fog and things like yo one,
Speaker 1: I could.
Speaker 2: See us doing a whole episode on that one.
Speaker 4: Wow, uh okay, because I normally work outside and I
Speaker 4: remember working in like, you know, like a foggy kind
Speaker 4: of day, and if I'm not mistake, and you know,
Speaker 4: I did get the flow and I had like crazy
Speaker 4: you know, uh, you know, I guess moisture inside my
Speaker 4: lungs and all that, and I had to get like
Speaker 4: an inhaler and all that, and they gave me like
Speaker 4: the tammy flu like capsules and all that. But uh,
Speaker 4: it was terrible. I must I was like probably I
Speaker 4: was probably sick for about like two and a half weeks,
Speaker 4: Like it just would not go away.
Speaker 2: Was it confirmed the flu that you had or was
Speaker 2: it just what thereating it?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 4: I I went to like urgent Care and uh, you know,
Speaker 4: I got tested and it was it was a flow.
Speaker 4: It wasn't like COVID, but it was like a like
Speaker 4: a variant of a flu.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 4: So I don't know if I don't know, I don't
Speaker 4: know if it was from the FuG or you know,
Speaker 4: because I just worked outside all the time. I'm always
Speaker 4: you know, New Jersey's been bouncing back and forth with
Speaker 4: the temperatures. One day it's like eighteen degrees, the next
Speaker 4: night it's like fifty degrees, and it goes back then snow's.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm just exposed to that kind of stuff
Speaker 4: all the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt, Okay, Yeah, we're gonna have to absolutely
Speaker 1: do a deeper dive on that one.
Speaker 2: For the cold. Good got them money. Okay, let's go
Speaker 2: into the chat here a little bit.
Speaker 1: Oh, we've all been kind of talking amongst yourselves in there,
Speaker 1: so I'm trying to figure out which which ones are
Speaker 1: gonna go into next here.
Speaker 2: Let's see.
Speaker 1: Oh that was for the brain tissue. Let's see this
Speaker 1: one here was for that one. Super cool to be
Speaker 1: able to study neuro issue.
Speaker 2: I agree with that. Anthony had to bounce out early.
Speaker 1: Love you Anthony, if you're listening to this on Thursday,
Speaker 1: love you to death, and glad you could join in
Speaker 1: with this one here.
Speaker 2: Let's see Tony you said.
Speaker 1: In two thousand and nine, there was a book written,
Speaker 1: The Terrible Mistake, and author and investigative journalist Hank p.
Speaker 1: Abrelli Junior writes that the Special Operation Division of the
Speaker 1: CIA tested the LSD on the population in Paint Points.
Speaker 1: Saw a spree in that part. Wow, so that's what
Speaker 1: the place was at.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was in southern France. I heard a whole
Speaker 5: podcast on this a few years ago. The initial explanation
Speaker 5: up until about two thousand and nine, since nineteen fifty
Speaker 5: one was that it was ergot poisoning, and there were
Speaker 5: other accusations that, oh they mixed the grain and that
Speaker 5: led to the ergot and it wasn't regulated enough, and
Speaker 5: this was still kind of post World War two and
Speaker 5: people were still in kind of a chaotic and impoverished
Speaker 5: state at the time. So it was initially blamed on
Speaker 5: ergot poisoning. And there's even been some back and forth
Speaker 5: ever since two thousand and nine with people saying, well,
Speaker 5: it couldn't have been an LSD because the effects were
Speaker 5: too delayed, But you know, maybe they just ate the
Speaker 5: loaf of bread later in the day. So I don't know,
Speaker 5: I'm thinking there's a good chance that it was a
Speaker 5: CIA experiment personally, yeah.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent.
Speaker 1: And also, like, okay, tell me that they gave infected flower.
Speaker 2: Okay, I could believe this.
Speaker 1: Do you understand how lace that flower had to be
Speaker 1: to where basically, if you just made you a sandwich,
Speaker 1: like two slices of bread was enough to get you
Speaker 1: fucked up like that?
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's A year later, in twenty ten, the BBC
Speaker 5: had an article out about it, supporting the idea of
Speaker 5: CIA did it based on some other new document that
Speaker 5: just came out back then, And this just kind of
Speaker 5: got logged away in history as oh, well, this might
Speaker 5: this might have happened, and I think, yeah, there's a
Speaker 5: pretty good chance they were doing all kinds of stuff
Speaker 5: with the LSD. If you've ever you've heard a program
Speaker 5: to kill with cosmic peach, Yeah, they've tried to use
Speaker 5: mine altering drugs to make people I don't know follow
Speaker 5: allegedly assassination attempts. Israel tried to use this too, but
Speaker 5: it didn't work. But there's allegations Sirhan Sirhan had, you know,
Speaker 5: mind control stuff going on. If you give people drugs,
Speaker 5: you can make them very suggestible, you can make them
Speaker 5: tell the truth, like with sodium pentathol. So yeah, I
Speaker 5: believe this is totally something to CIA would do, especially
Speaker 5: in the time period.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent.
Speaker 1: But why France of all places, Like I figured they
Speaker 1: would go to some third world country where if everybody
Speaker 1: lost their minds and killed each other, it wouldn't make
Speaker 1: the world stage. France is the first world country that's
Speaker 1: bold to try it out there. But I mean, maybe
Speaker 1: they just had it in with the food supply there,
Speaker 1: so they knew that it would get to the affected target.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe I'm speculating, But there's a whole book on it,
Speaker 5: which I'm probably not going to read, but there is
Speaker 5: information out there.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 5: Does any listeners want to dive in further?
Speaker 2: All a part of m K Naomi?
Speaker 1: Okay, well, I'm we're going to profit to an episode
Speaker 1: on that one now too.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. Wow, it wasn't.
Speaker 1: The whole thing with this study was that they wanted
Speaker 1: to effect at least eighty percent of the people to
Speaker 1: get them sick.
Speaker 2: Yo. Oh, you're talking about for the fog.
Speaker 1: You're coming up for the for the ergot slash LSD
Speaker 1: slash mushroom bread.
Speaker 4: I'm talking about the San Francisco fog from ye back
Speaker 4: in nineteen whatever. Fifty pow.
Speaker 2: That is wild good god.
Speaker 1: Okay, hold on, what did Zombie share as far as
Speaker 1: the Oh? Hold on, she just shared another Instagram video
Speaker 1: that I actually wanted to play for everybody here.
Speaker 2: Oh this is the fog? All right? Hold on, hold on,
Speaker 2: I mean Morning Mercy might have to pull it up
Speaker 2: this way. I'm gonna figure.
Speaker 1: Out how to do this whole uh, this whole sharing
Speaker 1: screen and getting things lined out. I'm gonna get that better, y'all.
Speaker 1: I promise, stop it all right, hold on, let me
Speaker 1: share this. Here we go bam bam, Thank you, ma'am.
Speaker 2: Here we go. Does this look normal to you?
Speaker 1: The fog in Florida was tested and contained a bacterian
Speaker 1: pathogen known as Ceratia mascarie.
Speaker 2: Oh that's the one. What are your thoughts?
Speaker 3: Wow?
Speaker 1: Okay, so yes, Indeed, the fog was tested in Naples, Florida,
Speaker 1: and was found to contain this pathogenic bacteria slash parasite.
Speaker 1: This particular strain has been used in the military experiments
Speaker 1: as a form of biological warfare. Look it up. It
Speaker 1: can also cause pneumonia. Okay, here we are. I have
Speaker 1: now seen this fog three times where I live. I
Speaker 1: chose not to live in fear and de worm regularly,
Speaker 1: as parasites can migrate anywhere in the body. Also planned
Speaker 1: to buy a nebulizer in flesh my lungs. All right, excellent, Wow,
Speaker 1: I mean that's pretty crazy. Thick fog too. That doesn't
Speaker 1: look like just a regular Yeah. I mean I understand
Speaker 1: what fog technically looks regular or normal. I get there's
Speaker 1: variance to that. But if that fog was tested and
Speaker 1: contained that bacterium that they were using in Operation Ocean Spray,
Speaker 1: that's that's scary.
Speaker 4: And from other videos. It uh the one that usually
Speaker 4: pops up from me when it comes and talks about
Speaker 4: the fog. It looks like little snowflakes. It's not even
Speaker 4: like a fog. They're like little particles everywhere, you know.
Speaker 4: But it's just like, I guess, it's just superdense and
Speaker 4: there's so much of it, so I don't know, it's
Speaker 4: it's a little it's a little strange.
Speaker 1: I mean to say that the government quote unquote, the
Speaker 1: let's just call it they, right, the all encompassing they
Speaker 1: would be doing this to make the population sick.
Speaker 2: I don't see what the purpose of that would be.
Speaker 1: If you're trying to kill them off, all right, if
Speaker 1: you're trying to test to see how uh sickness spreads.
Speaker 1: I feel like we already have a pretty decent understanding
Speaker 1: of virology and pathology and all these things. But the
Speaker 1: fact that they're still doing it and confirm that fog
Speaker 1: had that particulate within it, that's that's that's next level
Speaker 1: scary for so many reasons.
Speaker 2: I mean, and that also didn't look like normal fog.
Speaker 1: Like if I was to walk outside and see that
Speaker 1: kind of dense fault well in my area, that wouldn't
Speaker 1: be that crazy. Louisiana has super dense fog from time
Speaker 1: to time, and that's you know, that's just kind of
Speaker 1: a part of it. But we have that much groundwater
Speaker 1: in every places where it's normal. I don't know how
Speaker 1: the fog in Naples, Florida technically or typically looks. I
Speaker 1: don't know how the fog in San Francisco typically looks.
Speaker 1: And like you said, in your area of New Jersey,
Speaker 1: I have no idea if thick fog like that happens
Speaker 1: semi regularly or if it's never like that. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that would be a red flag one hundred percent. Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: as we're going and talking about all these other things,
Speaker 1: do y'all have anything else y'all would like to bring
Speaker 1: up and share with the class at this time?
Speaker 2: Good God, we have bounced around so many topics thus far.
Speaker 5: I got something. It's too bad that Anthony to Be
Speaker 5: isn't here anymore. But what do you think about the
Speaker 5: idea that Jesus could be described as a cult leader.
Speaker 2: I've heard people call him that before.
Speaker 1: The only reason why I would say that he wasn't
Speaker 1: would be that he wasn't trying to fuck everybody's wives,
Speaker 1: and he wasn't trying to take people's money, which seems
Speaker 1: to be a whole thing with cult leaders.
Speaker 5: Oh okay, So I guess it comes down to the
Speaker 5: definition of what is a cult, and people do argue
Speaker 5: about that a lot. And within the Catholic Church there's
Speaker 5: a lot of different cults of different saints, and they
Speaker 5: don't mean it in a bad way. It's just that
Speaker 5: they came up with that word before it had a
Speaker 5: bad connotation. And I think even in pagan religions you
Speaker 5: would have a cult of different gods and it was
Speaker 5: just considered to be synonymous with religion. But I guess
Speaker 5: it relates to the cult of your normal show culture conspiracy.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: The way I describe it though, is that the way
Speaker 5: you manage a large religion is way different from the
Speaker 5: way you'd bandage a really small vanguard group of people,
Speaker 5: and the small vanguard group of people is more like
Speaker 5: a cult. And that's kind of the impression that comes
Speaker 5: through in the New Testament, and I realized, you know,
Speaker 5: there's a negative connotation to it. But I would say
Speaker 5: that if Jesus were around today, he would probably be
Speaker 5: considered a cult leader for a couple of reasons. One is,
Speaker 5: you know, the small, kind of narrow group of people
Speaker 5: with very unpopular beliefs who are held together by those beliefs.
Speaker 5: And I think the other main thing that stands out
Speaker 5: is separating people from their families, because there's a couple
Speaker 5: instances of that, and they don't look great to modern
Speaker 5: listener or readers of the New Testament. For example, where
Speaker 5: some people, some of his new disciples, say, we want
Speaker 5: to follow you, but we have a funeral to attend
Speaker 5: to first, and Jesus says, let the dead bury their own.
Speaker 5: You have to follow me right away, or and he
Speaker 5: who looks back from the plow is not worthy to something.
Speaker 5: I'm probably butchering it a little.
Speaker 2: Bit, but that wasn't what he was telling every single
Speaker 2: follower of his.
Speaker 1: That's what he was telling to his disciples who were
Speaker 1: specifically chosen for certain purposes. So I mean, but I
Speaker 1: see also what you're saying. There will be those that
Speaker 1: will throw shade on the Bible and on Jesus that
Speaker 1: will say that that's clearly cult leader type activities. I
Speaker 1: see the comparisons for sure.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's definitely because the way you'd lead a mass
Speaker 5: movement is different from the way you would lead a
Speaker 5: very small number of very committed vanguard or remnant, whatever
Speaker 5: you want to call him, disciples, And you know, Mormonism,
Speaker 5: I would say, started the same way. It started out
Speaker 5: very anti institutionalist and you know, focused on making everybody
Speaker 5: very committed. And now it's more along the lines of
Speaker 5: a mass movement going everywhere, not just North America anymore.
Speaker 5: They want to be everywhere.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they changed their racist ideology a couple of decades ago,
Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 5: In the seventies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, up until then, they didn't think black people could
Speaker 1: go to heaven, and then out of nowhere, it's like, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: they can go too, and it's like, yeah, yeah, y'all
Speaker 1: had to change with the times, didn't you.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: My perception was it was more against the Native Americans
Speaker 5: because they were the neat fights and the Malanites or something.
Speaker 1: Which is crazy because apparently Jesus came to talk to
Speaker 1: the Natives, which is where the Golden Tablets came from allegedly,
Speaker 1: but the Native Americans also were seen as demonic spawn
Speaker 1: by Brigham Young for sure. I don't know if Joseph
Speaker 1: Smith had that kind of endemic racism within him.
Speaker 2: I know Brigham did good.
Speaker 1: God if y'all that show American Primeval, No, it's worth
Speaker 1: a watch. It's only it's not even like a mini
Speaker 1: sees well. I guess you could call it a mini series.
Speaker 1: There's only one series out, it's on Netflix right now,
Speaker 1: and it is very historically accurate, so much so that
Speaker 1: the Mormon Church had to come out and try to
Speaker 1: sue Netflix over it, even though they couldn't because they
Speaker 1: weren't making accusations. They were giving a historical account of
Speaker 1: the militia, the Mormon militia that was out there dressing
Speaker 1: as natives and like praying upon the settlers that were
Speaker 1: moving out west as a way to they were basically
Speaker 1: trying to have a Mormon nation in what we would
Speaker 1: now call the state of Utah. It was it was
Speaker 1: a genocide by any other stretch of the imagination. And uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: that you're you're one hundred percent right on that. Uh
Speaker 1: to the point that you made earlier. I wouldn't call
Speaker 1: Jesus a cult leader for a number of reasons. He
Speaker 1: wasn't trying to tell every single person to lead their families,
Speaker 1: sell their possessions and follow him. He said that to
Speaker 1: a very select specific few people. Also, he wasn't coming
Speaker 1: with some sort of new age philosophy or I only
Speaker 1: use the term new age, excuse me, but new philosophy.
Speaker 2: If anything. He was trying to show.
Speaker 1: Them what the old ways and the old laws were
Speaker 1: supposed to be, and that's why they hated him. He
Speaker 1: was trying to call out the Pharisees and the Sadducees
Speaker 1: who were basically missing the forest for the trees, and
Speaker 1: as a result of that, their hearts have been poisoned
Speaker 1: and corrupted by the greed of man. And so I
Speaker 1: you know, I see it for what it was supposed
Speaker 1: to be. But also, yes, if you look at anything
Speaker 1: hard enough with squinted eyes, you'll make anything out of anything.
Speaker 1: So I understand why people would look at him to
Speaker 1: be some sort of a cult leader. But I mean
Speaker 1: even the Jews don't see him as a cult leader.
Speaker 1: They see him as a good dude, a traveling rabbi
Speaker 1: that was, you know, killed for things, and he was
Speaker 1: going against the old ways. Ah, yes, go ahead, Royce.
Speaker 1: I figured that would make you probably up on this.
Speaker 3: Sorry. I mean, look, if I know something, I'll speak
Speaker 3: of otherwise I keep my mouth shut. So the whole
Speaker 3: Jesus thing, Jews don't looking at it like he's like
Speaker 3: a good dude, because in our perspective, he took a
Speaker 3: lot of Jews and he's leading them away from from
Speaker 3: the Torah. Right, So I understand conceptually since I came
Speaker 3: from Christian where that stems from. However, like whenever you're
Speaker 3: having someone that says, all right, well, you're not supposed
Speaker 3: to follow the Sabbath, but when we have God that
Speaker 3: says do the things this way, that's a contradiction that
Speaker 3: most Jews, specifically Orthodox, can't jibe with. Right, So when
Speaker 3: it comes to anything with the laws of the Sabbath
Speaker 3: or laws of Castros, same thing to where like whenever
Speaker 3: we have Moses and God that says, all right, well,
Speaker 3: you need to have a very specific diet and then
Speaker 3: all of the traditions that go with it, and then
Speaker 3: you have someone that says, well, you really don't need
Speaker 3: to do that anymore. It's kind of an old thing
Speaker 3: that doesn't jive.
Speaker 2: But Jesus himself told the Jews to keep being Jewish,
Speaker 2: like he didn't want to take away the law of Moses.
Speaker 2: He was coming for the world, not just the Jews.
Speaker 3: I hear, So, then why do Christians try to convert Jews?
Speaker 1: I personally on behalf of Christians am not trying to
Speaker 1: convert Jews.
Speaker 3: So I guess I mean, in my experience, there have
Speaker 3: been plenty of Christians who tried specifically to aim for
Speaker 3: Jews to become Christians. That's why there there was a
Speaker 3: whole Massianic and or Jews for Jesus move.
Speaker 2: But correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 1: Even within the Messianic Jewish faith, they still keep the Sabbath,
Speaker 1: they still adhere to the laws.
Speaker 2: Correct.
Speaker 10: No, Basically, there is not really much of a difference
Speaker 10: between a theologically between someone who is Messianic and someone
Speaker 10: who is Protestant.
Speaker 3: Like, because I don't think I've ever.
Speaker 11: Seen a Messianic who actually doesn't drive on Chabas or
Speaker 11: who doesn't cook or use electronics, et cetera.
Speaker 3: Most of them will like they'll that would probably go
Speaker 3: fall under the spirit of the law of Okay, well,
Speaker 3: we're just not going to go to work as opposed
Speaker 3: to someone who actually follows the biblical thirty nine categories
Speaker 3: of work that we're not supposed to do on.
Speaker 1: Shabis wouldn't the Seventh Day Adventis be a Christian denomination
Speaker 1: that does that though.
Speaker 5: I just can bring that up. They even keep kosher,
Speaker 5: don't they to a degree?
Speaker 2: It's more like vegan.
Speaker 5: Honestly, I think it was just no pork.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm with you.
Speaker 3: As far as somedings Venice, I don't know. I understand
Speaker 3: that they observe quote unquote the Sabbath on Saturday instead
Speaker 3: of Sunday, but A I don't know if they start
Speaker 3: from before the sundown on Friday on Friday to after
Speaker 3: sundown on Saturday. And as I don't know if they
Speaker 3: abstain from using electronics, from not using their phone, from
Speaker 3: not driving, to cooking to sharing like that. There's so
Speaker 3: there are thirty nine different categories of stuff of malacos
Speaker 3: that we are not supposed to do on the Sabbath,
Speaker 3: and like Worthodox users are very very particular about it.
Speaker 3: That's why, you know, unless it's a dire circumstance, and
Speaker 3: like their doctors whatever, most Jewsual or most Ortholox Jews
Speaker 3: will turn off their phones completely, you know, for that
Speaker 3: twenty five plus hour period of time.
Speaker 5: Okay, well, I just looked at up the seventh day
Speaker 5: of Venice do consider Friday evening to be part of
Speaker 5: the Sabbath after sundown. I have no idea what they
Speaker 5: believe about electronics. I can google it.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 5: Anyway, I'm very like Jacob brought that up because that
Speaker 5: was on my mind too. They seem to be closest
Speaker 5: to taking the Sabbath as seriously as the Jewish rule.
Speaker 3: Sure, and by the way, I'm not saying that they
Speaker 3: don't take it seriously. And even from a Jewish perspective,
Speaker 3: someone who is not Jewish is not supposed to observe
Speaker 3: the Sabbath like we do. That's something that's something that's
Speaker 3: specific to the Jewish people, right, Like, even someone who
Speaker 3: is trying to actively convert to Judaism, they're told up
Speaker 3: until they become Jewish that they're not supposed to keep
Speaker 3: the Sabbath all the way like right. So, I actually
Speaker 3: had an ex wife that converted, and she was told
Speaker 3: that she needs to flip a light switch or do
Speaker 3: something because someone who's not Jewish is not supposed to
Speaker 3: follow it like to the tea until she makes that
Speaker 3: or until they whomever make that, dunk into the the
Speaker 3: mikvah and actually become a Jewish themselves.
Speaker 2: That's fair.
Speaker 1: But even still, Jesus himself never said to not keep
Speaker 1: the Sabbath. And if I'm not mistaken, at the final
Speaker 1: the Last Supper, it was actually at a passover meals.
Speaker 1: So I mean he was a Jew. He observed the
Speaker 1: Jewish traditions and holidays, and he told people that are
Speaker 1: Jewish to please continue living per the Jewish tradition because
Speaker 1: that is the law that God set down for them
Speaker 1: once upon a time. He was only saying that he
Speaker 1: was here to fulfill the law.
Speaker 3: Which he didn't do.
Speaker 2: In what way?
Speaker 3: He's not of the line of David.
Speaker 2: Me and you have had that talk before and we
Speaker 2: have no, no, for real, per the Jewish law, if
Speaker 2: he was to be born of a dude that would
Speaker 2: have been from David's line, which would have made him
Speaker 2: of the line of David.
Speaker 1: How could he be the son of God if he
Speaker 1: came from an earthly father? Correct, So he kind of
Speaker 1: had to take that from the only human source that
Speaker 1: would have mattered, which would have been his.
Speaker 3: Mother, which doesn't matter according to Judaism.
Speaker 2: So you're saying that the Messiah is gonna be.
Speaker 3: So the so the Messiah by necessity needs to have
Speaker 3: a Jewish mother and a father who is from the
Speaker 3: line of David.
Speaker 2: But if he's of God, then how can he be
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: That makes no sense because there's no such there's no
Speaker 3: concept of virgin birth in Judaism.
Speaker 1: Oh, I believe that very died a virgin, which I
Speaker 1: piss off a lot of Catholics whenever I bring that up.
Speaker 1: Jesus had four brothers and like at least two sisters
Speaker 1: that we know of, But I get into it with
Speaker 1: Catholics a lot, because no.
Speaker 2: Mary died of virgin.
Speaker 1: It's like, there's multiple accounts in two different books of
Speaker 1: the New Testament that say that that's not true.
Speaker 2: But all right, you know whatever.
Speaker 5: They could have been cousins. I don't know the word
Speaker 5: that was used.
Speaker 1: The only argument I've heard is to say that the
Speaker 1: word for brother, like actual blood brother, and the word
Speaker 1: for like super close friend that you see as a
Speaker 1: brother is like the same word.
Speaker 2: And that's what the intention was.
Speaker 1: And it's like when they talk about that in the
Speaker 1: New Testament, they're talking about isn't this the son of
Speaker 1: Joseph and Mary, the brother of Joseph or Joseph, which
Speaker 1: is like a short and abbreviated name for like Joseph
Speaker 1: junior kind of thing. And they like mentioned his four
Speaker 1: brothers and sisters, which I mean, because they're women, they
Speaker 1: weren't worth actually naming. Apparently I wasn't alive during that time,
Speaker 1: but whatever, but like it's it doesn't make sense to that.
Speaker 1: And then at the at the final hour for him,
Speaker 1: he basically looked to his brothers he said to take
Speaker 1: care of his mother, and they're like they met his
Speaker 1: close friends, and it's like, m that would be weird.
Speaker 2: Why would he.
Speaker 5: Told he told the apostle John to take care of
Speaker 5: his mother, and John I don't think was related to
Speaker 5: Jesus the apostle.
Speaker 1: Let me let me double check on that, because I'm
Speaker 1: trying to remember his brother's names.
Speaker 2: Oh, Jesus is brothers.
Speaker 5: Okay, while you're doing that. Yeah, I think it's certainly.
Speaker 5: In Catholic tradition, it is taught that Jesus is well,
Speaker 5: Mary and Joseph were both descended from David if you
Speaker 5: go back far enough, and that David is of the
Speaker 5: tribe of Judah. Now me speaking as a bit of
Speaker 5: a heretic here I'm not one hundred percent any of
Speaker 5: that's true, because these people all lived way north of
Speaker 5: the land of Judah. But there would have been an incentive,
Speaker 5: you know, because the twelve tribes of Israel, they were
Speaker 5: in different places when you go back to about seven
Speaker 5: hundred BC, but being disunited they were conquered by the Assyrians,
Speaker 5: and after that they would have had a motivation to
Speaker 5: come together and try to form form a background story
Speaker 5: that united all of them. And one of the ways
Speaker 5: to do that is to say David is from Judah.
Speaker 5: I'm nine hundred percent sure I believe that. I wonder
Speaker 5: what you and Royce think of that.
Speaker 1: I think that during the time of the turn of
Speaker 1: the millennia, I feel like most of the Jews were
Speaker 1: not living in what was once their tribal lands, like
Speaker 1: this tribe had this section, this tribe of this section.
Speaker 1: I think that kind of went by the wayside when
Speaker 1: the Assyrians took them over, and by the time the
Speaker 1: Romans were conquering over them, I don't feel like that
Speaker 1: was even at play here. I mean I could be wrong,
Speaker 1: Royce chime in here.
Speaker 3: No, I believe it, so for sure they weren't in
Speaker 3: there are tribal sections. I guess you would say so.
Speaker 3: For sure, I think they were. They were, they were
Speaker 3: scattered all over.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, says Jesus brother's names were James, Joseph,
Speaker 1: which was like Joseph Jr.
Speaker 2: Simon, and Jude.
Speaker 1: And accordingly he had at least multiple sisters, but they're
Speaker 1: not named, so we don't know if that was two
Speaker 1: or if that was five. So Joseph and Mary like
Speaker 1: according to the New Testament. But and that was his
Speaker 1: childhood from his hometown of Nazareth, like these were the
Speaker 1: kids he was brought up with and things like that.
Speaker 3: So, but we were talking about the first we were
Speaker 3: talking about the very first one. Were talking about.
Speaker 12: Jesus himself, right, because so he would he would have
Speaker 12: he would have needed to be Joseph would have needed
Speaker 12: to be from the try of David.
Speaker 3: And I don't believe that was the case as far
Speaker 3: as the theology of that. Plus I don't remember which
Speaker 3: the which lineage is, whether it's Matthew or Luke, right, genealogies, right, fine,
Speaker 3: So in one of them actually it lists someone who
Speaker 3: God says this person will will never be king. So
Speaker 3: I don't I don't remember exactly which person it is,
Speaker 3: but in one of the lineages it did list someone
Speaker 3: that God did say previously that they were not ever
Speaker 3: going to be king, so that would also be another
Speaker 3: way to negate it. But the main part is, you know,
Speaker 3: there's no conception of virgin birth because of I know
Speaker 3: it in Isaiah whenever they're talking about like the a
Speaker 3: virgin will give birth, how it is translated in a
Speaker 3: lot of Christian Bibles. The word for young woman in
Speaker 3: that case is alma, not btula. Bitula is the actual
Speaker 3: word for virgin. Alma is not. And the one way
Speaker 3: we know that Alma does not mean virgin is that
Speaker 3: when Dina got raped, she was called an alma. So
Speaker 3: obviously of somebody who has been raped, they have known
Speaker 3: carnal knowledge, they that's no longer they are no longer
Speaker 3: a virgin. So since one word was used before and
Speaker 3: they use that same word later, that person that the
Speaker 3: woman that the prophecy was spoken about was specific to
Speaker 3: the I think was king, I forget.
Speaker 1: But it also it makes sense to me that Mary,
Speaker 1: seeing as how she was not married to Joseph when
Speaker 1: she per our beliefs immaculately, was you know, conceived Jesus,
Speaker 1: that she wouldn't have been called a betula at that time.
Speaker 1: When she was engaged to Joseph, she became pregnant with Jesus.
Speaker 1: Therefore she would have been listed as an alma. This
Speaker 1: makes perfect sense to me, per the Uh, per the
Speaker 1: Book of Isaiah.
Speaker 3: But then using that same logic, we're saying that she
Speaker 3: had sex before she got married.
Speaker 2: I'm saying she was pregnant before she was married, not
Speaker 2: that she had sex.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the New Testament account says that the angel Gabriel
Speaker 5: came to Mary and said, you will conceive a son,
Speaker 5: and she said, let it be done to me according
Speaker 5: to thy will. So it's pretty explicit that Jesus was
Speaker 5: conceived miraculously as a virgin. And then after that the
Speaker 5: New Testament is silent accepted, says he has brothers and sisters,
Speaker 5: and the Catholic Church said is that, no, those are
Speaker 5: just cousins. And I don't know. I wasn't there.
Speaker 1: But they also make mention of John the Baptist being
Speaker 1: his actual cousin, so like they use the words the
Speaker 1: right way, but I forgot that too.
Speaker 5: It doesn't it's not even sure he really was.
Speaker 1: But well, Mary's sister was pregnant with John the Baptist
Speaker 1: at the time they were pregnant, and that's what it says,
Speaker 1: right right, right, But like it doesn't negate and I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to throw shade at the Catholics by any
Speaker 1: means on this, but it doesn't take away from Mary's
Speaker 1: importance as the arc of the New Covenant, her actual
Speaker 1: womb being that. It doesn't take away to say that
Speaker 1: once she gave birth to Jesus that her and her
Speaker 1: then husband had more children, like that they were married,
Speaker 1: why wouldn't they have more children That that doesn't I
Speaker 1: don't know why that's such like a sticking point to
Speaker 1: that faith.
Speaker 5: Personally, I see your point, and to be honest, it's
Speaker 5: not the biggest deal to me either, kind of like
Speaker 5: how the Trinity is supposed to be a big deal,
Speaker 5: and to me it's not really that big of a deal.
Speaker 5: I think I believe in it, but.
Speaker 2: So many people try to describe it in so many
Speaker 2: nuanced ways.
Speaker 1: It's like, look, there's God, he created the stuff. Jesus
Speaker 1: came down to save everybody. Because we got so wrapped
Speaker 1: up in our own shit that even following the laws,
Speaker 1: we were still full of sin like okay, and fine,
Speaker 1: you want to say that there was a holy spirit
Speaker 1: that was like the golden thread connecting them, or you
Speaker 1: want to say some other fine, fine, Uh it doesn't
Speaker 1: negate from the fucking point here.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm with you, man, Yeah, on the Trinity?
Speaker 5: So is Yahweh the Father? And if he is, then
Speaker 5: what's Elohim? Is he also the father? Or is he
Speaker 5: the Holy Spirit? And why are there these multiple names?
Speaker 5: What I've read is Judah referred to him as Yahweh
Speaker 5: and the other like I don't know, nine tribes up
Speaker 5: north referred to God is Alohim. There was an a
Speaker 5: Lohist author and a Yahwist author, and eventually I think
Speaker 5: these names started getting omitted from the Old Testament, where
Speaker 5: they just wouldn't write it and they would leave a
Speaker 5: blank space. To me, seems like maybe they were letting
Speaker 5: the reader filled the in the blank with whatever they wanted,
Speaker 5: Yahweh or below name per preference.
Speaker 1: Well, I know that roo for the for I am correct,
Speaker 1: which is the name that he told us.
Speaker 3: I am, so I am is a specific name of
Speaker 3: God along with the the Tetra grammaton, the four letter
Speaker 3: name of God, which I will not pronounce, would you say,
Speaker 3: the the witnesses? Right? We believe that the different names
Speaker 3: of God are different aspects of him. Doesn't really have
Speaker 3: anything to do with We're not naming different deities, right,
Speaker 3: So like el Keem for example, is one of the
Speaker 3: names of God, but it can also mean the angels
Speaker 3: are also can be called like that. And then like
Speaker 3: great men can also be called eloquen.
Speaker 2: When you say great men, do you mean them men
Speaker 2: of renown that were the Nephilim?
Speaker 3: Something like that?
Speaker 2: Gotcha?
Speaker 3: Something like that? And that's that's a whole fun subjects
Speaker 3: in and out of itself. But as far as the
Speaker 3: name we got like, so, each one of those names
Speaker 3: means a certain things. So when it comes to elokeein
Speaker 3: for example, right, so that's whenever we deal with laws
Speaker 3: of nature, that is one of the aspects that we
Speaker 3: attribute or that's the name that we attribute it to
Speaker 3: as which is the more of the line of I
Speaker 3: don't know if that's judgment as opposed to mercy. So
Speaker 3: each name notes very specific things at different times, and
Speaker 3: to mind knowledge, there's never been any kind of blank
Speaker 3: spot as far as fill in your name of God here,
Speaker 3: I've read the Torah. I've seen it. I've seen it
Speaker 3: a number of times. There's never a blank space for
Speaker 3: a name of God. It's very very specific. Yeah, so
Speaker 3: like I am I am that, I am right that
Speaker 3: that name that is a name of God. The the
Speaker 3: the uk bob k that's a name of God. Elo
Speaker 3: Kein that is a name of God. So each one
Speaker 3: was just context, as you say, is important. Right. So
Speaker 3: when it says in the beginning, God created the heaven
Speaker 3: and the worlds, like we know that he wanted to
Speaker 3: originally create the world with judgment, but he realized that
Speaker 3: the world couldn't stand so therefore he needed to create
Speaker 3: the world with with mercy. So basically, it just depends
Speaker 3: on what's going on at that time contextually.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Okay.
Speaker 1: Also, real quick, you said that you read the Torah.
Speaker 1: That's the first five books of the Bible, and we've
Speaker 1: talked about this, but refreshment memory here the Book of Isaiah.
Speaker 1: What is that called as far as the Jewish literature
Speaker 1: is concerned, is that a part of the kibbutz.
Speaker 13: No, so, a kibbutz is basically like a commune. No
Speaker 13: Tanah is actually the word you're looking for okay, So
Speaker 13: to Tanah is a wonderful Hebrew acronym of Torah, which
Speaker 13: is the tour.
Speaker 3: You have the Navene which are prophets, and the and
Speaker 3: the Katuvium, which are the writings. So like we have
Speaker 3: our books arranged slightly differently than a normal Christian Bible
Speaker 3: just because it's so we have the tour of the
Speaker 3: prophets and the writings. So Isaiah would be a book
Speaker 3: of the prophets, gotcha, and probably a major profit as
Speaker 3: opposed to some of the miner ones.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that that makes sense for sure.
Speaker 1: Okay, So as far as the name of God is
Speaker 1: concerned with eloheme versus yahweh, again, it just depends on
Speaker 1: the context and what they're speaking on and about at
Speaker 1: that time.
Speaker 3: Correct, And I mean, and there's plenty of stages that
Speaker 3: parse out meanings. You know, why why does God use
Speaker 3: or why do one word here as opposed to another?
Speaker 3: That's this is you know, Gamachi comes into play into
Speaker 3: a lot of things well, which is kind of like
Speaker 3: the cream on the top is not really the meat
Speaker 3: and potatoes. But you know, there are plenty of people
Speaker 3: that you know, they'll there are plenty of Homiletic interpretations
Speaker 3: of of why we use Guy's name here in this way,
Speaker 3: why do we use guy's name here in another situation?
Speaker 3: Various permutations therein.
Speaker 2: Excellent. Okay, one hundred percent, hear this.
Speaker 1: Now real quick here As far as keeping the Sabbath
Speaker 1: holy and Saturday being that day, I've been meaning to
Speaker 1: ask you about this. Per Hebrew law, Saturday is the.
Speaker 2: End of the week.
Speaker 3: That would be the seventh day, correct, So.
Speaker 1: Sunday was the first day of the it was the
Speaker 1: last day of the week per a lot of calendars
Speaker 1: up until three twenty one a d.
Speaker 2: When Sunday became the first day of the week.
Speaker 1: But the Hebrews have acknowledged Saturday to be the last
Speaker 1: day of the week, or yeah, the last day of
Speaker 1: the week since the beginning.
Speaker 3: At least ever since we received the Tora thirty three
Speaker 3: hundred years ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, fascinating.
Speaker 3: And then like Quord, like you uh talking was speaking
Speaker 3: about the town one right that there are are questions
Speaker 3: like let's just say you're in a desert island and
Speaker 3: you don't know what day it is, how what do
Speaker 3: you how do you how do you observe the Sabbath?
Speaker 2: That's an example that's actually in the Talma. Didn't it?
Speaker 3: No, for sure? So I mean so like, so the
Speaker 3: whole thing is like do you do you count seven days?
Speaker 3: Like you know? And these these are questions obviously a
Speaker 3: lot of them are are philosophical, but it's funny. I apparently,
Speaker 3: like because of the International dateline. Hawaii is one of
Speaker 3: those questions to where they don't make their like might
Speaker 3: be an area that is it follows on this day
Speaker 3: or that day, so it depends on where you are.
Speaker 3: And then like you go way far north where there's
Speaker 3: actually no sunset, like how do the people up in
Speaker 3: Alaska observe the Sabbath whenever? Like it doesn't really get dark.
Speaker 3: So there's a lot of really crazy, crazy cool but
Speaker 3: very random things like that.
Speaker 2: Dude, I an't think about that.
Speaker 1: The Muslims do rama dah, and then that a big
Speaker 1: thing for like only eating after the sun goes.
Speaker 3: Down direct or like forty days.
Speaker 1: I think so, dude, there's no way they live in
Speaker 1: areas where they have twenty four hours sun that the
Speaker 1: Islamic faith would fucking crumble there.
Speaker 2: Holy shit.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I feel bad for the ones in Michigan because
Speaker 5: sometimes Ramadan's in the summertime. But yeah, they observe it.
Speaker 5: They start eating when the sun goes down. You might
Speaker 5: have heard of this tall building called the Burj Khalifa
Speaker 5: in Dubai. Yeah, and up at the top of the floors,
Speaker 5: the sun actually goes down later than it does when
Speaker 5: you're at the bottom, so it's a three minute difference
Speaker 5: and they have to take that into account.
Speaker 2: Explain that flat earthers, I'm just saying.
Speaker 5: Another thing is that they have to they they start
Speaker 5: their months when there's a new moon, and I predict
Speaker 5: when the new moon's gonna be, but instead Saudi Arabia
Speaker 5: they don't do it that way. They have to observe
Speaker 5: the new moon. So the start of a new month
Speaker 5: can be delayed by a day or two, and then
Speaker 5: it'll throw Ramadan off by like a day or two
Speaker 5: and the Hodje off by a day or two. It
Speaker 5: can be pretty hard on people trying to plan their
Speaker 5: schedules for their true up to Mecca. And yeah, it's
Speaker 5: in my opinion, it's a bad calendar. It's only three
Speaker 5: hundred and fifty four days a year because the lunar
Speaker 5: cycles just don't line up well with.
Speaker 3: The year. So here's here the cool kind of calendar
Speaker 3: esque thing. So, first of all, the Jewish calendar is
Speaker 3: very similar to that because I think that's where Muslims
Speaker 3: got it. Forum is probably use people. Yeah, and so
Speaker 3: our jewe our year, we do follow the mood. However,
Speaker 3: we have a set calendar where every couple of years
Speaker 3: we have a leap year. But our leap year we
Speaker 3: add an entire month, we add thirty days. So like
Speaker 3: every right, so as Tony said, like because the lunar
Speaker 3: calendar has less day, has fewer days than the solar calendar,
Speaker 3: we go backwards, right, which is the reason why Muslim
Speaker 3: holidays that should be in the summer going to the winter,
Speaker 3: because they just keep going backwards and just kind of
Speaker 3: kind of goes in that kind of cycle as opposed
Speaker 3: to Jews. Like the Taurus says you need to have
Speaker 3: Passover needs to be in spring, right, you have Soukus
Speaker 3: that needs to be in fall. So the way that
Speaker 3: they were able to do that is that you had
Speaker 3: I think I don't remember which stages came up with it,
Speaker 3: but basically we have a fixed like I think it's
Speaker 3: a nineteen year calendar. Like whereas like every couple of
Speaker 3: years that there's a lead month. But so that's why
Speaker 3: like Hanuga for example, or any or even Easter or Passover,
Speaker 3: it's there's a range. So there's a thirty day range.
Speaker 3: Like I think, so this year Kanaka or last year,
Speaker 3: I guess kind of go started right right when on
Speaker 3: December twenty fifth on Christmas. However, so I think this
Speaker 3: is like the latest that it is. So next year
Speaker 3: it's going to be a week the other direction. So
Speaker 3: that's why there's a month, because we need to make
Speaker 3: up those days from the lunar calendar to the solar calendar.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the Chinese lunar calendar also has these leap months,
Speaker 5: and you'd really need them otherwise the seasons get thrown
Speaker 5: off because twelve lunar months is only three hundred and
Speaker 5: fifty four days. And Islam, according to their tradition, used
Speaker 5: to have elite month and Muhammed got rid of it.
Speaker 5: It was called Nasi and he got rid of it,
Speaker 5: assuming you can trust any of the sources from way
Speaker 5: back in the first millennium obviously, but that's why they
Speaker 5: lose a year every thirty three years, because they're losing
Speaker 5: eleven days per year in their calendar, so there holidays
Speaker 5: can be anytime, spring, summer, winter, You can't predict anyway.
Speaker 5: Back to Jesus for a second, I just wanted to
Speaker 5: throw out I think that from Judaism, I've seen a
Speaker 5: variety of perspectives on Jesus, ranging from relatively positive to
Speaker 5: very negative. And this is just a thing about all religions.
Speaker 5: They do have a spectrum of opinion on a lot
Speaker 5: of different subjects. And as to the question of whether
Speaker 5: Jesus defeated and repudiated Judaism or whether he fulfilled it,
Speaker 5: it depends who you talk to. And I think most
Speaker 5: Christian groups want to be pretty they except for the
Speaker 5: anti Jewish ones, they want to focus on, you know,
Speaker 5: friendship and saying, oh, he fulfilled it now. But it
Speaker 5: depends on what part of the Old Testament you're looking at,
Speaker 5: I think, because there are some parts of the Old
Speaker 5: Testament that are very ethnocentric and then others that are
Speaker 5: more universalists. And the Catholic Church really prefers the universalists
Speaker 5: stuff more and to the ethnocentric stuff they say, oh,
Speaker 5: well that actually applies to the Catholic Church now. So
Speaker 5: I don't know everyone. Everyone just loves to pick and choose.
Speaker 5: That's all I'm saying. And I don't think I'm any
Speaker 5: less guilty than anyone else. But I like the more
Speaker 5: universalist interpretation of God being for everybody and not just
Speaker 5: anyone narrow group of people, whether it's ethnicity or even
Speaker 5: a religion. And I think one of the problems with
Speaker 5: all the three major Abrahamic religions is that on the
Speaker 5: surface level you do have universalism, but then when you
Speaker 5: go deeper, you realize for all three of them that
Speaker 5: promoting their own religion is more important than doing right
Speaker 5: by other people. And Christianity is just as guilty as
Speaker 5: the other two. So that's all. That's all I have
Speaker 5: to say.
Speaker 3: I hear it, so the only the only thing so
Speaker 3: by that I don't necessarily disagree. I think the only
Speaker 3: thing that I have to say, as far as any
Speaker 3: kind of rebuttal ish is that Jews don't try to
Speaker 3: convert people. Right, So if you look at Christianity, Christians
Speaker 3: try to convert people. You look at Muslims, Muslims try
Speaker 3: to convert people. Why don't Jews? Because we believe that
Speaker 3: there can be and there are righteous gentiles. Right, So
Speaker 3: God created this entire world. He created jew gentile, you know,
Speaker 3: et cetera. So just because he made me Jewish or worse,
Speaker 3: somebody not Jewish, like that doesn't make anybody less than
Speaker 3: a child of God. Yeah, so I think so we're
Speaker 3: definitely universalists in that way, Like we each have have
Speaker 3: a role. Like let's just say even a traditional family, right,
Speaker 3: so you'll have a man and a woman. So you know,
Speaker 3: in the nuclear family, you know, you have the band
Speaker 3: that goes to work, the woman goes home or you know,
Speaker 3: stays home. Both people are equal, you know, they each
Speaker 3: have separate rules to fulfill. So God did have specific
Speaker 3: a specific role according to the Torah for the Jewish people,
Speaker 3: but for anybody else who's not Jewish, doesn't mean that
Speaker 3: they need to go to Hell.
Speaker 1: And die, right, And I mean as far as Jesus
Speaker 1: is concerned. That's why the Four Gospels were written in
Speaker 1: the way that they were. One of those gospels were
Speaker 1: written specifically for the Jews, one of those gospels were
Speaker 1: written specifically for the Romans, one of those gospels are
Speaker 1: written specifically for the Gentiles, one of the and that's
Speaker 1: why there's certain differences between them. I've heard people say
Speaker 1: that there's a not dichotomies between them. What's the word
Speaker 1: I'm looking for when something disagrees with itself help me
Speaker 1: out here.
Speaker 5: Inconsistency, thank you, thank you?
Speaker 1: Inconsistence contradiction right, like, for instance, uh, the color of
Speaker 1: the garment that Jesus was wearing when he entered the
Speaker 1: city and one writing it's red, in one writing it's green.
Speaker 1: And it's like like, ah see, these are contradictory points,
Speaker 1: and it's like, yeah, who.
Speaker 2: Was that book being written to?
Speaker 1: Because one of these groups sees green as a very
Speaker 1: important color, one of these groups sees purple as a
Speaker 1: very important color. It doesn't change the fact that he
Speaker 1: came and did the thing that he came to do.
Speaker 1: It's like a it's like a dog whistle for certain groups,
Speaker 1: and that's why they were written in this way.
Speaker 2: But again, at that point, we're just nitpicking, you know, And.
Speaker 1: I mean, hell, I have a very unpopular opinion as
Speaker 1: far as the Ten Commandments goes, like for instance, the
Speaker 1: fact that it's not for humans to follow. That was
Speaker 1: the whole reason it was written because when the Jews
Speaker 1: were in the desert. Helped me out here, Royce, if
Speaker 1: I'm off base here, Moses was trying to lead them,
Speaker 1: and they said, please, we need laws to follow. And
Speaker 1: Moses went and prayed to God, and God said, you
Speaker 1: cannot follow my laws. You're humans, you're imperfect. It is
Speaker 1: impossible for you to live a perfect life.
Speaker 2: He came down and.
Speaker 1: Told them this, and they're like, no, please, we need laws.
Speaker 1: And then he went and said, God, please, we need
Speaker 1: these laws. He's like, here's how impossible it is for
Speaker 1: you to follow my Mike glouree standard. I'll just give
Speaker 1: you the big ten real quick, and you'll see how
Speaker 1: impossible this is for you.
Speaker 2: By y'allm he created them.
Speaker 1: He came down and then half of them were worshiping
Speaker 1: a golden calf, and it was like, if you read
Speaker 1: the laws, it's impossible for you to live as a
Speaker 1: human and live according to these from birth to death.
Speaker 2: It's impossible.
Speaker 3: I think most Orthodoxys would disagree with you.
Speaker 2: I think we should thrive to follow them. But it's
Speaker 2: also important.
Speaker 14: So so, first of all, in the tour itself, especially
Speaker 14: right when Moses was about to die there he actually says,
Speaker 14: when you talked about the toy, he said, this thing
Speaker 14: is very close to you.
Speaker 3: It is not very far away, so for you to
Speaker 3: do it. So Moses in the Torah actually contradicts what
Speaker 3: you said. Are we perfect? No? Did God create us perfect? No?
Speaker 3: God creates to be humans. So like the whole thing
Speaker 3: is about the journey. It's not about that end goal.
Speaker 3: But there are plenty of people that can be You
Speaker 3: can be righteous, like it's it's possible to be right,
Speaker 3: and it's also possible to fulfill the things that God
Speaker 3: wanted us to do. Also, homiletically, one of the explanations
Speaker 3: for the one of the reasons why the sin of
Speaker 3: the Golden Cap happened. This is obviously a homiletic approach,
Speaker 3: but is the fact that as high as the Jews were,
Speaker 3: we went from the from the top of the heavens
Speaker 3: basically to the depths of hell. But at the end
Speaker 3: of the day, God still forgave us yea God. So
Speaker 3: like it was it was a lesson of repentance that
Speaker 3: God is merciful because when he came, even when when
Speaker 3: Moses went up and God said or gave the the
Speaker 3: thirteen not levels of mercy, but like when he said
Speaker 3: that he forgot that he forgave the Jewish people. So
Speaker 3: that's that was showing God's mercy so that regardless of
Speaker 3: whatever we do, right, so we can literally worship idols
Speaker 3: right after being given the Torah and God still forgives us. Sure,
Speaker 3: so that it kind of had it kind of had
Speaker 3: to happen lattically. That's that's one of the explanations is
Speaker 3: that it was orchestrated so that we could learn a
Speaker 3: lesson of repentance and forgiveness.
Speaker 5: Okay, And like I said, huh, what's that word?
Speaker 15: I don't know, like homilie, uh, like find of just
Speaker 15: to bring some Yeah, I guess to bring something out
Speaker 15: from it, so what we can learn from it?
Speaker 2: Got you, didn't half of the people die at that point?
Speaker 3: It was It wasn't half. There was. There was definitely
Speaker 3: a portion of them that died, but definitely not half.
Speaker 1: Okay, I knew it was at least a giant chunk,
Speaker 1: maybe a third. I forget, it's been quite a while
Speaker 1: since I read that section.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be honest with you.
Speaker 1: But yeah, and I mean, even Jesus said to keep
Speaker 1: the commandments. I'm not saying that we shouldn't try to
Speaker 1: follow them to the best of our abilities. But also
Speaker 1: I am of the belief that there is. I believe
Speaker 1: that it's impossible for human beings to do enough on
Speaker 1: our own to meet the standard because we're imperfect.
Speaker 2: We're we're gonna fall short on a daily basis.
Speaker 1: All of us, even the most righteous and holy among us,
Speaker 1: are going to fall short of God's standard on a
Speaker 1: daily basis.
Speaker 2: And that's sure.
Speaker 3: We also don't believe in a permanent hell.
Speaker 1: Well of course, no, well, oh that's true, y'all don't
Speaker 1: believe in a hell so to speak.
Speaker 2: Y'all believe in a like a temporary type situation.
Speaker 3: Correct, So call it a a yeah. Yeah, so call
Speaker 3: it a purgatory in the actual term of like purging
Speaker 3: of your sins. And if you didn't do good, you
Speaker 3: can there is reincarnation, or you can go to heaven.
Speaker 2: Did you believe in reincarnation?
Speaker 3: Yes? Sorry, we do. We do, really and believe it
Speaker 3: or not. The New Testament actually backs it up because
Speaker 3: they even asked Jesus if he was a reincarnation of Elijah.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, and he said he wasn't. But they
Speaker 1: asked him, meaning that they already had a precedence for this, correct.
Speaker 5: Wow, So a second coming is kind of like reincarnation.
Speaker 5: I haven't thought of it that way. But that makes sense,
Speaker 5: but not.
Speaker 1: In the reincarnation sense that we take it to mean, like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm living this life, but this soul has already well
Speaker 1: I mean maybe.
Speaker 3: No, it is it is where your where your soul
Speaker 3: trans migrates. So you, you, Jacob, might not have this
Speaker 3: might not have been your first time with the rodeo.
Speaker 1: I've never heard the Jews believed in reincarnation. This is
Speaker 1: next level. Okay, another quick question, super off topic, but
Speaker 1: super on topic as well. I'm here in rumors that
Speaker 1: the Gypsies might actually be the lost tribe of Dan.
Speaker 1: Your thoughts on this, Royce.
Speaker 3: I don't know. There's no there's no genetic testing for it.
Speaker 2: No, there's not.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so there's really only I was starting to cute
Speaker 3: about this before a little bit. There's really only three
Speaker 3: current categories of Jews, right, I Mean, we all follo
Speaker 3: under Jews, but like three different three main tribes. You
Speaker 3: have the Cohens, the priests, you have the Ladies, which
Speaker 3: are like the Efficiants, and then you have the other
Speaker 3: ten tribes that are now just colloquially called is Jews.
Speaker 3: So one of the things that the Messiah is supposed
Speaker 3: to do besides rebuild the temple, institute, reinstitute sacrifices, et cetera,
Speaker 3: is to get people to be where to know where
Speaker 3: they're from, what lineage, and what line.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 5: And isn't everyone kind of mixed up?
Speaker 3: Now? Though? Right? Oh? We are, We're we're extremely mixed up.
Speaker 3: Like wouldn't we like I don't we don't know who's
Speaker 3: from what tribe of Dan of Tali? You know that
Speaker 3: the only people that really kept a great documentation from
Speaker 3: and from father to son to father the son would
Speaker 3: be the the Collins and the ladies. Everybody else kind
Speaker 3: of really got interspersed amongst the land and assimilated.
Speaker 5: When are tribe of Judah.
Speaker 3: Hold on two different people talking?
Speaker 5: What go ahead, Tony, I was gonna say that the
Speaker 5: tribe of Judah's where most modern Jews think they descend from,
Speaker 5: and that most of the tribes that were up north,
Speaker 5: like uh Zebulun and all those didn't they just blend
Speaker 5: with the Assyrians and the Babylonians and become Palestinian or something.
Speaker 5: The Samaritans Amaricans. Yeah, there we go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I definitely know that that there was
Speaker 3: a lot of assimilation, and the the tribes that mainly
Speaker 3: stayed true to themselves were I think the southern tribes
Speaker 3: of the As, the Cohens, and the Levites.
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask you said leaves earlier, is do
Speaker 1: would we in our English speaking call that Levites?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, So that's the tribe that you're saying they
Speaker 1: kept their followed a son to follow the son. They've
Speaker 1: got a pretty good journology for it, okay.
Speaker 3: Because right, and so some of them say that they
Speaker 3: can actually trace it all the way back up. You're
Speaker 3: supposed to be able to trace it all the bit,
Speaker 3: all the way back up to Moses and Aaron. That's
Speaker 3: how that's how legit it's supposed to be. So like
Speaker 3: whenever you hear someone who's in Cats, that's or Cohen. Obviously,
Speaker 3: these are very Jewish names and specifically of that tribe.
Speaker 3: And one of the reasons why they had they kept
Speaker 3: so good records is because even in the synagogue, there's
Speaker 3: like special honors that are that are given to to
Speaker 3: serve not necessarily tithes anymore, but when it comes to
Speaker 3: whenever somebody is called up for the Torah, you know,
Speaker 3: the first person that's called up is from the tribe
Speaker 3: of or from the co on In line, the second
Speaker 3: from the Leavete line, and then the other five are
Speaker 3: just random people.
Speaker 2: Got you last question? Don't the Jews have a rule
Speaker 2: against tattoos?
Speaker 3: I don't know what you're talking about?
Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough, No, no, no, just.
Speaker 3: No, just kidding for sure. I got I got my
Speaker 3: tattoos when I was a lot less religious got you.
Speaker 1: I have no judgment, I have ink myself. I'm just
Speaker 1: I'm asking because I've heard we're not supposed to yeah,
Speaker 1: with your family or something with that.
Speaker 3: There there was a rumor saying that if you get tattoos,
Speaker 3: they're they're not going to be buried in a Jewish cemetery.
Speaker 3: That's incorrect, and you will, you will be born, you
Speaker 3: will be very you'll have your final rights given, which
Speaker 3: is kind of a cool process, and then you'll be buried.
Speaker 2: Okay, so that's not not cremated.
Speaker 3: Cremation is not not a Jewish thing at all, right.
Speaker 2: Right, for sure? Okay.
Speaker 5: Catholicism used to be like that. Then they kind of
Speaker 5: changed for some reason.
Speaker 1: Because they kept running out of funeral places. Man, I
Speaker 1: mean looking in Louisiana, I know for sure, speaking on
Speaker 1: behalf of the Catholic upbringing and stuff, there's only so
Speaker 1: many places we can bury them where they're not going
Speaker 1: to float away with groundwater.
Speaker 2: It became more.
Speaker 1: Kind of a lack of space issue at some point.
Speaker 1: I guess I could see it.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm still excited to have my ashes putting fireworks. That's
Speaker 1: gonna be a blast.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 2: I think it's about time we wrapped this one up.
Speaker 1: I thoroughly enjoyed this brain expanding conversation from all parties tonight.
Speaker 2: We kind of covered a wide range of things tonight.
Speaker 1: We covered drones, We covered new technologies in the medical field.
Speaker 2: We covered.
Speaker 1: The fog and how that all goes back to a
Speaker 1: conspiracy from the CIA. We talked about hallucinogenics in that
Speaker 1: kind of experiment going down in France that I knew
Speaker 1: nothing about up until tonight.
Speaker 2: We talked about Abraham Cklaw. We talked about.
Speaker 1: Christian versus Jewish conversations.
Speaker 2: This was awesome. I had a blast night. So thank
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