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Speaker 1: Welcome to Fantasy Hockey Life, presented by fan Tracks.

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Speaker 2: Here SIMS.

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Speaker 1: Your source of information and analysis to help you win

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your fantasy hockey league.

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Speaker 2: Block off hot a stem hit on, staylock block.

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Speaker 1: Here's your host, Jesse Souvier and Victor Nunyo.

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Speaker 3: Fantasy Hockey Live back once again. Jesse Severe, Fan Tracks

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other places. Victor Nuno, the Fantasy Hockey Doctor. How you

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doing today, Victor.

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Speaker 1: I'm doing awesome. Jesse. It's good to have you back.

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Speaker 4: I was tired of talking to myself to the Audi's

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good to have you back.

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Speaker 1: How was How was Arizona?

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Speaker 3: It was great? It was great. It was the first

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pitch Arizona. I've talked about it before. It is a

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time when like the whole fantasy baseball world comes together

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once a year, two hundred people at this conference, and

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we get to go out and watch ball games and

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we get to you just you hang out with the

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people who are doing all the podcasts. I am convinced

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Victor one day we're going to create one of these

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for fantasy hockey. All the people from all the pods,

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all the fans, you come. We have panels, we have

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people presenting original research on fantasy hockey. Man, it would

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be the stuff as far as I'm concerned. Would you

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be into You're a man who gives a lecture from

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time to time, you'd be able to fit into that.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I give probably more lectures than I want

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to with my teaching jobs. Yeah, but that sounds fun.

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I know they have something like that. They have an

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analytics conference, which seems really cool, but not It would

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be awesome if it had something that was specifically geared

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towards fantasy hockey.

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Speaker 1: That would be amazing.

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Speaker 3: If listeners are attuned to a thought like that, man

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and also less lazy than me, reach out to me,

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and I would like to take credit for your idea,

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or take credit for the work that somebody else would

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do to set up a conference like this. I think

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I made it too blatant, Victor. They all caught on.

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Never mind, forget everything I just said. Let's get into

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the beat of this episode. You'll hear from Victor.

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Speaker 2: I Victor today by popular demand.

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Speaker 3: I believe we went out and we asked people about this.

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We're going to talk about salary leagues, and that is

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something that you and I have great interest in. We

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have been playing salary leagues for a number of years,

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and there's just a lot of things that are different

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about playing salary leagues and a lot of a lot

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of considerations you have to keep in mind. Why is

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it that you like to play in salary leagues?

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Speaker 4: Victor Well, I think for me, the way that I'm

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wired is the more complex the better. When something's really

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simple and straightforward, I just get bored. And not like

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Fantasy hockey points only leagues are boring or anything. There's

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a specific nuance to it. But I just like when

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there's more things to think about, how many teams there are,

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how many categories, all the different factors, and you know

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which teams and players are interesting. And then the salary

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cap is just like a whole other layer. It's like

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another dimension. It's like we suddenly realized there were four

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dimensions or something. This would be like, oh so amazing.

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So that's a way that I think about it and

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why I like it, because it's just another it's a

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completely different thing.

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Speaker 1: To think about it.

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Speaker 4: I always talk about just think about how much you

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would like Coroll caprisof in a points only league. He'd

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be amazing one of your best players. Now take that

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same situation and put it in a cap league, all

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of a sudden, he's maybe like the fiftieth most interesting

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player because he's so expensive. And you experienced this and

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when one of your leagues recently, so I know you're

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aware of that situation. But ayeay, I just love the

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extra layer complexity that it adds.

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Speaker 3: What about you, Yeah, for sure. And we've done series

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on salary before, and one of the things that I

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have found is I've gone on because I'm way into

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dynasty and I've become convinced over the years that one

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of the problems you can have with a dynasty league

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is if there's not some sort of a salary constraint

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in a die Ynsty league, things get out of control.

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It's too easy for one team to build a super

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team that simply will not disappear, and especially with a

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different level of skill, it's simply not going to be

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corrected at any point. If you have salaries that puts

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another check. It's not just once you have assembled the

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team of the superstars. If you figured out some kind

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of a loophole, you can just go on winning forever.

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And we're talking specifically about real salary leagues. That's what

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we're doing today, not ones where you bid in an

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auction and then you live with whatever you won with

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your bid into future years, but rather ones where you

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use the league that the NHL, or the salary that

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the NHL gives out to the player, and probably the

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term that the NHL gets out to the player. So

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it is becoming my favorite kind of league to do, Victor,

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and we need to talk about I wanted to have

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a philosophical talk with you here at the beginning about

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a couple of aspects of these leagues. And then in

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our second segment we're going to get into some individual

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players and their salaries. But one of the things that

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we're trying to do then is if you've added this

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extra dimension, this extra layer into the way that you

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are valuing players, and that is how much you're getting

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for the buck in a salary cap, the question is

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how do you value these guys. And one of the

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things that is interesting specific to the sports leagues, in

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specific to hockey is guys come in with very small contracts,

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and sometimes they produce much better than those very small contracts.

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seventy five thousand dollars for an NHL player, and obviously

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Maclin Celebrini making a basically minimum contract is more valuable

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than almost anybody in terms of the production you're going

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to get. And then after the first couple of years

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that a player has their entry level contract, they have

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what we sometimes call a bridge contract, where they're not

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getting superstar money, but they're also not getting chump change.

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to end up making ten million dollars is getting three

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million dollars instead of eight hundred thousand dollars for a

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couple of years. So when we're trying to value players

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in salary leagues, it's very difficult for us. We have

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to consider that those are special cases. I don't know, Victor,

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how do you account for all those things in your

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mind when you try to figure out how to value players.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's interesting to think about. I think

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that the as you mentioned, the entry level contracts are

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like a different category almost in and of themselves, because

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even an average sort of producer is going to be

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better value per dollar than someone with a large contract

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who's maybe not way out producing it. So you have

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to have them in a separate category. And then I

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think of him as like my top liners, and then

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your top producers, and then you're sort of like middle

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producers who might be a bargain, and then your entry

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level contracts, which are three different categories. And to some extent,

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the top producers almost don't matter in the sense that

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you need a few superstars on your team and you

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can ignore a little bit how much they make. Now

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that isn't entirely true, because some superstars are way overpaid

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for what they might produce in certainly because I think

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an example of this might be like a bradon Point

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who isn't terribly expensive, but nine point five million for

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someone who doesn't provide a lot of peripheral coverage. If

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you're in a peripheral heavy league, his value might be.

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Speaker 1: Less than that.

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Speaker 4: But if you're in a points focus league, or if

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the points that he does score add up to a

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decent value, he might be fine. But it's just to

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Speaker 1: And then you have your kind of.

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Speaker 4: Little players who some of them are just woefully overpaid

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for what they produce in fantasy, and some are actually

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incredible value.

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Speaker 1: So those are the second category. And then the third

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Speaker 4: The entry levels or the bargain bind guys, and I

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feel like you need a healthy mix of all of them.

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And generally you can't get too many of those superstars anyway,

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so you're limited by availability. But I also think that

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you shouldn't have too many. I think the Toronto Maple

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Leafs have been an example of this in real life,

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having too many of those large contracts, and then they've

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struggled with depth and maybe potentially some other issues. But

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that's a good example of when you spend too much

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on those top guys, you don't have enough for the

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our bargain big guys in the middle that can be

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very productive. No matter how many of those entry level

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guys you have, it's just not quite enough. So I

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think you need a healthy mix of all three. I

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don't know if that makes sense.

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Speaker 3: Jesse, Yeah, and there is obviously there's a big difference

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between what happens in the NHL in team assembly and

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what we do here in fantasy, because in fantasy we

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just have to stack guys on top of each other.

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I don't care if they all play the exact same

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position on the ice practically, as long as it fits

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into my settings, my roster settings. I don't care if

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they all have the same type of game. I don't

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care if they would compliment each other if they were

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actually skating out there together. What's important to me is

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that they all score points. They all score my kind

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of fantasy points, and that's where that's where it becomes

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important to me. But when it comes to NHL teams,

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you do have to consider, is the studs and scrubs

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as we say, a strategy going to be a successful

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one for teams. In terms of context, folks, until recently,

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it was pretty simple. With the NHL. The minimum contract

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is around eight hundred thousand dollars and the top contracts

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until fairly recently were about ten million dollars, and you

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considered anybody in between the there was a gradation. A

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guy who was getting a contract between maybe one and

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five million dollars. Was that was maybe a bridge contract

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or maybe it was just a krusty veteran who got

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a rather low contract to hang around. But now, as

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you say, capriz Off is going to be making seventeen

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million a year, that's three million more than Leon Dy's

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dry sidles fourteen, which I believe is the second largest

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contract for a pro and so you have to consider

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that a caprizof now costs as much as practically two

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players to two of the top paid players did last year.

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going to grow, and there have been rumors that in

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fact it's going to grow even more by more than

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what was initially thought. We're in a rising cap environment,

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so people are signing to these contracts and you have

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to decide do you believe what NHL managers believe that

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it's okay that this contract is eye popping right now,

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because in a couple of years from now, in dynasty,

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it won't seem so crazy because the.

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Speaker 1: Overall cap will go up enough.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, it's difficult to assess what you're going to

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need there now. One thing I really like to think

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about when we do this is to figure out where

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we're going to set a replacement value in fantasy. I've

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always considered replacement value to be the core principle, and

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you talked about that when you said some of these

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minimum contract guys there you almost have to discount. You

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can get a certain amount out of a guy, even

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on a minimum contract. And for me, one tempting way

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to do this, I'm speaking around the point a little bit.

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career caprice Off is going to make seventeen million dollars

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starting next year. And let's say that he got me

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eight point five fantasy points a game, but he gets

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eight point five fantasy points, and it's seventeen million dollars

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that we're paying him. You could make that ratio, or

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you could say the next guy down maybe makes a

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it's slightly higher or it's slightly less something like that.

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replacement value and the surplus value on a player Victor

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do you look at it as simply how many points

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you get per dollar and you can just take that

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all the way down the line for these players, or

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Speaker 1: Value each guy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know if this is the best way

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to do it, But the way that I like to

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do it is value per dollar. I love looking at

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value per dollar, but you can't only look at that

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because some people's value per dollar is astronomical, but their

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actual relative value to what is replacement level for that

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league or average roster spot for that league isn't very high.

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So you're getting great value in terms of how much

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you're spending, but it's just not even.

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Speaker 1: Worth it because they're so low.

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Speaker 4: It's if someone's fan track score is like in the forties,

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but their value per dollar is one of the best

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you could get, how much does that actually contribute to

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your team?

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Speaker 1: Very little?

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Speaker 4: So I think that you have to look at value

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per dollar, but then also just look at what is

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their actual contribution in their league, whether it's a fan

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track score or points per game or something like that,

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and you can look at what's replacement level in that league.

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And salary cap leagues are always fun to look at

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who the free agents are, right, I think that's always

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a good measure of like, when you look at free

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agents in a salary cap league, are they actually guys

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who would be free agents in real life? Because if

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they are, then that's probably a good setup. But if

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they're not, if you have like your Corolla presouce, or

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if you have some of your best players who happen

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to make a lot of money, or free agents in

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that league. The settings are probably, in my opinion, not

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quite right. That should not be the case, right, you

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shouldn't have those valuable players in free agency.

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Speaker 1: But you'll see.

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Speaker 4: Generally is that there's your fan track score or points

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per game or however you want to measure it, and

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then you'll see the salary. So I'm just looking right now.

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In one of my leagues, Sam Steele is the top

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free agent. He makes two million, But there's other guys

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who are around the same amount, who make two or

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three times that amount. That's pretty obvious what the better

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value is, Right, You'll take the guy who is around

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the same production, but his salary is a little bit less.

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Speaker 1: I think you have to look relatively like compared to.

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Speaker 4: Your replacement level in that league, which is always league specific,

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and then look at the relative values. So in that sense,

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it's pretty straightforward. You could just look at Okay, here

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are the top free agents. These are how much they make,

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and probably the guys who are in that range of

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the top few free agents, whichever ones make the least

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are probably the best value. So that's a pretty easy calculation.

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But you might also find some other guys who are

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maybe a little bit more down who make even less.

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Guys who are making league minimum and who are maybe

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a step or two below that might still actually be valuable.

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But once you get to two far down the list,

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then at some point it's just not even really worth

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it because they contribute so little even though their value

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per dollar is excellent.

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Speaker 1: Does that make sense?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it does, and I would say many of the

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same things as you, Like, I'm looking at my fourth

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sport roster, and the only reason I grab this one

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is because it's a points league. So it's fairly easy

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to compare apples to apples. I've got Jonathan taz on

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a two million dollar contract and he's getting three points

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a game. I've got Kyle Connor a seven point one

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million dollar contract who's getting six point six points per game. Now,

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if you actually compared those two points to the number

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of dollars they're being paid, you'd say Jonathan TOAs is

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a better deal because he's only being paid two million,

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he's getting three points. Kyle Connor is being paid seven,

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he's getting six point six. That's practically the same. You're

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getting a much higher percentage on your Jonathan Ta's life

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doesn't work that way, man, because you need Jonathan Days

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and then the old cap, and he had a goal

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last just recently as you're listening to this, he had

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a goal for the Jets. But it is it doesn't

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work that way because you do have to look what

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is freely available on the wire and figure out what

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is the marginal value above that. So for me, the

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replacement level is what could I get basically on the

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wire for free, especially if the format would allow me

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to freely change guys around, And all the value you

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extract from somebody is what you can get from above

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that level. And like you said, you can't simply run

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around saying the best values for my dollar are minimum

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contracts who get just barely above minimum value. You have

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to pay for some of those expensive guys in order

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to be able to be successful in the league. But

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to me, the value per dollar of guys who are

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below leave league average production is almost nil. There's almost

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no value to that because, simply put, that's the point

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and I expect to get by doing nothing, and I

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know it doesn't work like that. You don't just automatically

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get everybody's average every night. You actually have to think

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about how players are going to change and play in

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the future and not how they've played in the past.

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But yeah, I would say that is my starting point

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to doing this. I think there is a pretty serious

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math to this. You look at the number of roster

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spots you have as a constraint, you look at the

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number of dollars you can give out, and then you

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figure out what is the maximum number of points that

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I can accrue with those other constraints put around me.

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And that does involve making calculations above what an average

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or the freely available value over replacement is. So to me,

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somebody who's getting Kyle Connor's six point six points, that's

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worth a significant amount. Two point ninety seven points. For

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Jonathan tays Is, it's worth nothing because I could probably

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get somebody for even less than two million a year

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who can do that for me. What Kyle Connor's doing

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I can't get. I would I could, I'd have to

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have like several roster slots of somebody producing just barely

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above par, and I don't have. Then I have to

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give out all those roster slots. I don't know, Victor.

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I feel like I'm talking myself around in circles. That

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all makes sense in my head. Do you look at

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at it that way. Is that what we were saying. Do

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you look at it in terms of there being some

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kind of mathematical formula? How do you balance those things

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in your mind?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think, as you said, if you can get

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them out of free agency, then that's I think that's

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the same thing that I was saying. That's the a

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replacement level, because that's the score or the points that

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is what I would use as the baseline, and so

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this is the production that I can get for this

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dollar amount. And then you can just see, Okay, that's

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a really good calculation. You can look at the average

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score that's available on free agency, and then you can

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look at what is the rough amount that you would

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have to spend, and there's some variables there, probably in

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some different amounts, but you can see generally they're not

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going to see like a huge variation, but you might

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you can see, okay, that's how much people are costing.

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So then you can look at your own roster and

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you can see, okay, how much is this guy who

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I have better than what's out there that can help

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you with trades that can help you with Should I

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cut this guy?

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Speaker 1: Should I buy this guy?

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Speaker 4: Out because you might have a guy in free agency

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who's better value than someone you have on your roster,

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and maybe you need to trade or buy them out

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or whatever, maybe trade them to someone who has cap space.

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So it just helps you make those decisions. I'm really

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looking at this Sam Steele right now and thinking maybe

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I should pick him up in this league.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, I'm looking at I'm looking at the four

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sport again and just some of the values that are

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on the waiver wire. The very top guy at the

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waiver wire is Parker Kelly of Colorado, who is earning

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three point eight two Fantasy points per game. The kind

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of the baseline in this league is between is probably

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around three points, and he's getting a minimum contract. He's

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getting eight hundred and twenty five thousand dollars. And why

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is he a little bit on a shot percentage? Heater, sure,

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but he gets two hits a game, He's got half

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a point per game. That seems like he's probably online

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for something like that if he's going to keep getting

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minutes for the Avalanche. So that's the thing. Three point

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eighty two points per game at a minimum contract, you

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could be paying a guy four or five times as

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much to get that same production. And even if you

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say his production is going to regress thirty three percent

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and he's going to be down to more of just

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an average player, everything that you get from a player

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has to be from that marginal increase above. I know

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a few years ago when I played in the kokkupfle

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the Keeping Carlson auction, I was in the top tier

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auction for that, and when I would do my own

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auction values for that league, I actually specifically use the

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formula that cranked up the values the further they got

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from the average, So the very top players, I wasn't

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just doing like how many dollars per point. I would say,

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the farther you get from what I can get on

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the wire, I'm going to use a formula to artificially

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increase the value or the amount I'm willing to bid

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on that player. Because the truth is, in a roster spot,

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the value of getting eight points instead of seven points

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per game is huge because then I can use another

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roster spot to stream. Yeah, it is. It is not

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as straightforward, I think as just the dollar versus the point.

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I think you have to consider some of these other

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types of things to be as successful as you can be.

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Any more thoughts on that.

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Speaker 4: Victor, Yeah, I think what you just said that's I

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feel like I've tried to think about articulate that, but

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I think you said it really well. And just to reiterate,

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there is Gaussian distribution or Bell curve to this, and

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I think that's the key is that the players at

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the extremes are really hard to get, and the ones

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who have minimal value you don't care about, obviously, but

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the ones at the high extreme of high value you

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do need to assign a higher priority or bid or

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whatever you want to say, because they're just harder to get,

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and so you do as you approach that higher value.

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It's something that you really need to pay attention to.

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And it's actually something that when you look at different

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players like Connor McDavid with his new contract, not only

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is he already incredible, but the fact that he took

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an insane discount to stay in Edmonton, that contract is

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going to be insanely valuable because of how good he

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is and what he's going to be making. So that's

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an example of ridiculous value. But then you also have

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just staying on the Oilers and I know We're going

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to talk about players later, but you have someone who

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makes a third of that, and like Ryan Neuten Hopkins

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and Zach Hyman, you have players who make about a

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third of the amount, but their production is not a third.

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You have to think about it that way in terms

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of how valuable they are. But those guys at the extremes,

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like you have to when you're doing your prep and

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when you're prioritizing them or thinking about how much they're worth,

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you have to assign an extra priority or an extra

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mathematical advantage to them because they are that much more

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valuable and they are that much more rare to acquire,

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and you just have to put extra attention to them.

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And I think when you're evaluating, it's one of those

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things where you have to step outside the math a

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little bit and say, Okay, if it's just a linear progression,

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you can't just look at it so simply. You have

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to say, whoa these guys are like in a special category,

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and I actually have to think about them a little

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bit differently.

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Speaker 3: First of all, Gouss has entered the chat. I think

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Gouss actually was a defenseman for the Ducks back in

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the eighties.

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Speaker 1: Wait, a minute.

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Speaker 3: Did the Ducks start in the eighties?

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Speaker 1: Never mind?

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Speaker 3: No, Victor said gausting, And that made me excited because

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I'm studying stats right now. That's bell curve people. It's

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so much more valuable to get the guys at the

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top end of the bell curve because they can. It's yeah,

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you have to consider that it's not a linear model,

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just like you said the other impact that of course

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it has. I mean, it's fine and good for me

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to say, well, Parker Kelly is making he's getting more

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points than anybody else on the waiver wire in this league,

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and he's on a minimum salary. But what if he

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stinks in two months and I pick him up and

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then he's not so good?

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00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:38,799
Speaker 2: It all.

484
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:41,920
Speaker 3: It all goes to heck on us? Then what do

485
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:46,279
we do? In many leagues, obviously, when you drop a player,

486
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,400
you have to retain that cap hit for the future.

487
00:24:49,519 --> 00:24:51,599
It does not go away. You have to keep paying

488
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,839
that player's salary, and it does change the strategy when

489
00:24:56,279 --> 00:24:58,400
you are going to continue some sort of a payment

490
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,599
for that. And there's all sorts of different to do it,

491
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,079
all sorts of different ways to do this. It's generally

492
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,519
considered advisable to do something in your league to make

493
00:25:06,559 --> 00:25:09,920
sure that you can't just flip guys around willy nilly

494
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:14,160
without any kind of consequence for adding and dropping somebody

495
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,960
based on their salary. So I don't know, Victor maybe

496
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,200
riff around that a little bit. What does salary cap hit?

497
00:25:21,519 --> 00:25:23,799
Due to the way that you view these things.

498
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:29,680
Speaker 4: Personally, if you play in leagues that don't penalize you

499
00:25:29,839 --> 00:25:32,640
for dropping a player with the salary, I don't. I'm

500
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,519
not a fan of those leagues. I have played in those.

501
00:25:35,039 --> 00:25:36,880
I just think it's silly, like it adds an extra

502
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,839
layer of complexity, certainly because you have to think about

503
00:25:39,839 --> 00:25:42,359
the cap. But if you can just move guys around

504
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:46,880
without any penalty, it basically just becomes like another streaming

505
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,240
sort of league where you have to think about one

506
00:25:49,319 --> 00:25:52,359
extra sort of category and as long as you're under

507
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:53,720
the cap at that moment, it's fine.

508
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:54,880
Speaker 1: To me.

509
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 4: That's just not as interesting, that's not realistic. That's not

510
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:02,440
how the NHL operates. And I like to model my

511
00:26:02,519 --> 00:26:05,039
leagues as much as you can the NHL and how

512
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:09,319
leagues actually function. And so you can't just drop a player,

513
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,799
you can't just buy them out or terminate their contract,

514
00:26:12,839 --> 00:26:14,839
you can buy them out for a cap hit. So

515
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,839
I think that it has to have some sort of teeth.

516
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,599
Your decisions have to have, they have to matter, they

517
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,559
have to have some sort of consequence for it to

518
00:26:24,599 --> 00:26:28,039
be interesting and relative. I think now some leagues use

519
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,799
actual NHL buyouts, and that's cool, but sometimes that can

520
00:26:31,839 --> 00:26:34,920
be a little harsh, so I'm fine with leagues who

521
00:26:35,519 --> 00:26:37,519
modify it a little bit. I've also been in leagues

522
00:26:37,519 --> 00:26:40,039
that are way too lenient, like the buyout amount is

523
00:26:40,039 --> 00:26:42,839
a quarter of the actual salary, and to me, that's

524
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:49,039
just not enough because people can just have too much flexibility.

525
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,240
I've also seen leagues that have unlimited buyouts that also

526
00:26:52,279 --> 00:26:54,559
seems too flexible, Like I think you have to have

527
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:56,960
a limit. I think the NHL is at seven that's

528
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:58,759
what we usually use, and so.

529
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 1: Just you have to make it.

530
00:27:01,039 --> 00:27:03,079
Speaker 4: You have to make it so that people have to

531
00:27:03,079 --> 00:27:05,920
be a little more restrictive in their decision making, so

532
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:06,720
that it just.

533
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:08,839
Speaker 1: You can be a little more careful and calculated.

534
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,559
Speaker 4: Otherwise, people just change thing all the time and you

535
00:27:11,599 --> 00:27:14,599
can just add and subtract willy nilly, and it just

536
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,000
becomes in realistic and it's not as fun because then

537
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,759
people aren't held to a standard for their decisions, and

538
00:27:21,759 --> 00:27:24,599
it's just they can just on a whim change their mind.

539
00:27:24,599 --> 00:27:26,279
And I think that makes it a little bit harder

540
00:27:26,319 --> 00:27:28,880
to make the league interesting and make it challenging to win.

541
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:30,920
Otherwise it's just you just grab the flavor of the

542
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,799
month and cut whoever that isn't that isn't as interesting

543
00:27:33,839 --> 00:27:35,759
and not why I'm in salary cap league. There's pently

544
00:27:35,799 --> 00:27:38,759
a redraft leagues that are like that, So I think

545
00:27:38,799 --> 00:27:41,240
if you like that flavor, you should probably just go

546
00:27:41,279 --> 00:27:42,839
for those kinds of leagues, is my opinion.

547
00:27:43,839 --> 00:27:47,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, part of the appeal why do a salary league?

548
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:48,920
Part of it is, look, what are we all trying

549
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,920
to do here? We're all trying to mimic in some

550
00:27:52,079 --> 00:27:54,599
way the experience of earning a sports team, right, And

551
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,839
one of the big things between our normal fantasy leagues

552
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,920
and any professional sports league is pro teams aren't streaming,

553
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,920
They're not just adding and dropping. There are rules, there

554
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,119
are limits that the guardrails that they have to deal

555
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:12,240
with that your average fantasy team does not. And the

556
00:28:12,279 --> 00:28:14,359
neat thing about a salary cap is it does add

557
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,319
an additional layer of realism. Is it perfect realism. No,

558
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,279
there's always a balance between realism and playability. You want

559
00:28:21,319 --> 00:28:23,359
it to be a fun game. Maybe it's you want

560
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:24,680
it to be more fun than it is for some

561
00:28:24,799 --> 00:28:29,359
NHL gms. So yeah, having those things in place, I

562
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:34,440
think gives us a slightly closer experience to what an

563
00:28:34,559 --> 00:28:37,960
NHL GM might be dealing with in terms of I

564
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,079
can't just cut this guy. We're paying him money, The

565
00:28:41,119 --> 00:28:42,880
owner doesn't want me to cut this guy. Plus the

566
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:44,640
league is going to make me continue to pay part

567
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,559
of his salary whether I cut him or not. Yeah,

568
00:28:47,599 --> 00:28:50,359
I think there is a real value to that. Of course,

569
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,960
this is yet another way in which players who have

570
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:58,160
quote unquote real life value are going to be penalized

571
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,559
compared to players who have the fantasy game. Some of

572
00:29:01,559 --> 00:29:06,519
your defense first defensemans, I'm looking again one of the top, ironically,

573
00:29:06,599 --> 00:29:08,559
one of the top guys on the free agent wire

574
00:29:08,599 --> 00:29:11,759
again in the four supporter is Alexander Windberg, who comes

575
00:29:11,759 --> 00:29:15,519
off to me as a classic guy who is never

576
00:29:15,599 --> 00:29:18,480
going to be worth in fantasy what he's going to

577
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,400
be paid in reality, because he's a centerman who doesn't

578
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:25,359
really generate stats, but he does things that NHL teams

579
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,640
like from time to time. Yeah, that salary is never

580
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,200
going to want to flip onto your books. Vladislav Gabrikov

581
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,680
is getting seven million dollars a year. He's not very

582
00:29:34,799 --> 00:29:40,160
likely to be appealing in a dynasty fantasy salary league

583
00:29:40,279 --> 00:29:43,160
because he doesn't get many points, he doesn't get many shots,

584
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,240
and he doesn't even take a whole lot of hits.

585
00:29:45,599 --> 00:29:49,119
But the Rangers are probably glad to have him around,

586
00:29:49,119 --> 00:29:52,640
and other teams have been too, So it does become,

587
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,839
it does become yet another way in which these players

588
00:29:57,599 --> 00:30:00,839
real life values or real life values teams actually can

589
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:05,599
be diminished, because not only are they getting fewer fantasy

590
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,839
points than some other players, but now the high salaries

591
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,920
that NHL teams value them for are also being another

592
00:30:13,039 --> 00:30:15,759
reason that you have to hold against them. But I

593
00:30:15,839 --> 00:30:17,920
like what you have to say about the cap pits Victor,

594
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,960
because there has to be some kind of balance. My

595
00:30:22,839 --> 00:30:25,160
thinking in a dynasty league a lot of times, because

596
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,480
I'm usually thinking as a guy who helped design the

597
00:30:27,559 --> 00:30:30,240
league or as the commissioner of the league, is I

598
00:30:30,279 --> 00:30:34,000
also want to think about the possibility that what if

599
00:30:34,039 --> 00:30:37,400
somebody is incompetent and takes a whole bunch of cap

600
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,559
hits on and does all kinds of damage to a team,

601
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:44,079
and then they disappear because partly they were really not

602
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,640
doing well, or are they stop being attention or are

603
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,519
they flaked out or whatever, And now I've got to

604
00:30:49,559 --> 00:30:52,480
sell this team to somebody else. Sell in the sense

605
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,440
of I've got to convince somebody else to take this on.

606
00:30:55,519 --> 00:30:59,559
And part of my thought process with cap hits and

607
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,960
all this stuff is, I don't want it to be

608
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:06,000
too restrictive if there's somebody new who comes along to

609
00:31:06,119 --> 00:31:08,519
run it. So like I have an amnesty program in

610
00:31:08,519 --> 00:31:10,359
one of my leagues where if you're new coming in,

611
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:14,000
I will give you more buyouts to clean up a

612
00:31:14,079 --> 00:31:17,319
mess potentially that you were left. But yeah, it's always

613
00:31:17,359 --> 00:31:22,640
that balancing act between the amount of the amount of consequence,

614
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,519
the amount of accountability you want to hold people too,

615
00:31:24,559 --> 00:31:25,799
in the amount of flexibility.

616
00:31:28,759 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's always a balance of those. And know that

617
00:31:31,839 --> 00:31:34,720
I've been in leagues that felt super restrictive and you

618
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:38,359
feel like you can't do anything because it's the cap

619
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:42,680
is tight and the penalties are tight. And that's probably

620
00:31:42,759 --> 00:31:46,480
pretty realistic to how the NHL is but at the

621
00:31:46,519 --> 00:31:49,079
same time, it's also I understand that you want to

622
00:31:49,119 --> 00:31:51,279
be fun, so I know some leagues don't make it

623
00:31:51,319 --> 00:31:54,119
quite so restrictive. I think you just have to try

624
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,200
to find that middle ground there, but also just be

625
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,119
aware of what kind of league you're in. And as

626
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,359
I mentioned in this the episode last week, when you're

627
00:32:01,359 --> 00:32:03,640
asking for advice or you're talking about it, you need

628
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,039
to put all this in the disclaimer of the question

629
00:32:06,079 --> 00:32:09,039
that you're asking because it completely changes the context of

630
00:32:09,079 --> 00:32:12,480
the question. If you have a very restrictive league with

631
00:32:12,519 --> 00:32:14,799
in terms of ads and buyouts, like some leagues have

632
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,359
only like maybe ten or fifteen ads per year or

633
00:32:17,359 --> 00:32:19,920
something like that, that completely changes it too. So you're

634
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,559
really or like the Diesel leagues where you can only

635
00:32:23,599 --> 00:32:27,160
basically acquire players through trade or through draft or if

636
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,359
you're adding them minor players, that is, if you're adding them,

637
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,480
they can't go into your minor system. So there's always

638
00:32:33,519 --> 00:32:36,640
some interesting nuance to different league rules, and you have

639
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,200
to really understand those, and if you're asking for advice,

640
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,680
you have to relay them, which I know we're talking

641
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:47,559
about real salary leagues, but it's another reason why I

642
00:32:47,599 --> 00:32:50,160
always advise people when they're asking about joining a league.

643
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,799
If the settings are really complicated to the point where

644
00:32:52,839 --> 00:32:55,480
every time you ask for advice you have to like

645
00:32:55,559 --> 00:32:57,440
write a dissertation, maybe you don't want to be in

646
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,720
that league because it's just so complicated that I've had

647
00:33:00,759 --> 00:33:02,920
people ask me this and I'm like, Okay, wait a minute,

648
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:04,680
what is this rule and what is that rule? And

649
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,759
then they'll show me the constitution and I'm like, I'm

650
00:33:06,759 --> 00:33:08,079
not going to read this whole thing. You need to

651
00:33:08,119 --> 00:33:11,839
like summarize it for me. So if it's that difficult,

652
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:16,240
then either you dive all into it and really learn

653
00:33:16,279 --> 00:33:18,160
it well, or you just like don't join.

654
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 3: That Like, yeah for sure, Okay, Victor, I think we've

655
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,000
warmed up. We've talked about some of this. Right after this,

656
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,480
we're going to talk about a couple of players.

657
00:33:30,759 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 1: This lead too Excellence, our serious injury.

658
00:33:40,559 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 3: When back from break and before we get into our players, Victor,

659
00:33:45,319 --> 00:33:47,359
why don't you tell people some of the cool things

660
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:48,680
that I don't know about.

661
00:33:49,759 --> 00:33:52,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you want some extra advice, we were talking

662
00:33:52,319 --> 00:33:55,079
about DM advice. We were talking about roster doctors or

663
00:33:55,079 --> 00:33:57,759
any kind of personal advice. You can get that through

664
00:33:57,759 --> 00:34:00,440
the Patreon you can join at patreon dot com Fantasy

665
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,440
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666
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,480
You can get access to the website, the players, ranks, tiers, cards,

667
00:34:08,039 --> 00:34:10,639
all that kind of stuff is all in there and

668
00:34:11,039 --> 00:34:13,119
you can get access to that and play in the

669
00:34:13,119 --> 00:34:15,840
tidy the tier dynasty. So check all that out at

670
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,320
patreon dot com slash Fantasy Hockey Life and you can

671
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,119
get in there and chat with us in the discord,

672
00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:20,840
right Jesse.

673
00:34:21,519 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 3: Yep hop of the discord. All you need to do

674
00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:26,599
is send us an email Fantasy Hockey Life at gmail

675
00:34:26,639 --> 00:34:27,960
dot com, or get a hold of us on the

676
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,679
social media's. We'll give you a link and then you

677
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:35,320
can chat away to your heart's content and one of

678
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,639
the people that they could chat away about Victor. Let's

679
00:34:37,639 --> 00:34:40,360
talk about some of our top value real cat players.

680
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,519
Who is your first nominee up for discussion.

681
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:46,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think there's a lot of players that I

682
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,639
could mention, and I'll just go over some. I try

683
00:34:49,639 --> 00:34:52,239
to pick some in different categories, like some of the

684
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,239
top players middle value. We're not going to talk too

685
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,800
much about the value contrast because everyone knows, like Jesse,

686
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,920
you mentioned Maclin celebraty who's more value him right now in.

687
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 1: A cap league like nobody.

688
00:35:02,079 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 4: It's pretty obvious, but yeah, there's some really good ones,

689
00:35:06,559 --> 00:35:08,360
especially with the cap going up. The first one I

690
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,280
was going to talk about is Brendan Hagel. Hegel is

691
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:16,119
just an absolute beast, and it's funny because everyone is

692
00:35:16,639 --> 00:35:18,039
sometimes down on him.

693
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: Because of his lack of power.

694
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 4: Play time, and it's true he doesn't always get the

695
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:24,360
best opportunity.

696
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 1: This season, he's.

697
00:35:25,159 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 4: Gone through phases where he has been or hasn't been

698
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,480
on the top power play But one of the things

699
00:35:30,519 --> 00:35:33,119
I like the most about Hegel is that it doesn't matter,

700
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,039
like he doesn't really need the power play he's in

701
00:35:36,119 --> 00:35:38,360
terms of if you go back and look at top

702
00:35:38,519 --> 00:35:41,119
five on five producers, he's always in there. And he

703
00:35:41,159 --> 00:35:43,119
had a career high of thirteen power play points a

704
00:35:43,119 --> 00:35:45,760
few seasons ago. That's not a lot for someone who's

705
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:49,559
the top end producer, and he's basically been around or

706
00:35:49,559 --> 00:35:53,000
above a point per game. Plus he provides pretty decent

707
00:35:53,119 --> 00:35:57,800
peripherals and so he's amazing. Dom decision at the Athletic

708
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:03,199
does his like top contract kind of thing, and Brendon Hagel.

709
00:36:03,079 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: Is near the top at one of those.

710
00:36:05,639 --> 00:36:10,280
Speaker 4: So he's really an excess value type of player, Like

711
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,239
his value is more than double basically what he's actually

712
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,400
making six point five million. The other thing that I

713
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,199
love and I like to look for this is players

714
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,440
who are locked in for years, if you know that

715
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:25,880
you have that contract set for a long time. Those

716
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,159
are my favorite types of players because I don't have

717
00:36:28,159 --> 00:36:31,280
to think about what I'm gonna do with him later

718
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:35,000
when he gets a raised or whatever. He's just locked

719
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,880
in for six more seasons at six point five million,

720
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,119
and especially with the cap going up, like that contract

721
00:36:41,199 --> 00:36:42,920
value is going to be absolutely insane.

722
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:43,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like hegel.

723
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:45,280
Speaker 4: It doesn't matter if he's on the power Play. Of

724
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:46,719
course I want him to be on the power Play,

725
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,000
and he has been recently, but he offers so much

726
00:36:49,039 --> 00:36:51,199
production even away from it. And he's one of these

727
00:36:51,199 --> 00:36:53,199
players that it doesn't matter where he plays or who

728
00:36:53,199 --> 00:36:55,039
he plays with, He's going to get value.

729
00:36:55,519 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 1: And I love that. I love that I just don't

730
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,440
have to think about him. He's just going to produce.

731
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:03,599
He's going to by tremendous value. And yeah, he's awesome.

732
00:37:04,559 --> 00:37:07,599
Speaker 3: And I should put one more caveat So, yeah, our

733
00:37:07,639 --> 00:37:10,440
discussion here we're not going to talk about entry level contracts.

734
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:14,000
I don't even think we got any bridge contracts here necessarily,

735
00:37:14,039 --> 00:37:16,960
although no, I don't think we do, and we are

736
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,239
talking about av I think that's victory. That's your my

737
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,039
favorite way to do these. If you actually look at

738
00:37:23,039 --> 00:37:25,320
Brandon and Hegel's contract in some places, it will show

739
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:29,199
he's making nine million dollars this year, but that's because

740
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:33,039
his cash is going to decline a couple of years

741
00:37:33,039 --> 00:37:35,039
at nine million, then six point five and a bunch

742
00:37:35,039 --> 00:37:37,760
of five point four fives. In any terms, it's six

743
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,840
point five million a year for the next eight the

744
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,039
next seven years, six point five million a year for

745
00:37:43,079 --> 00:37:45,960
the next seven years. Yeah, So keep in mind if

746
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:47,800
you're doing this at home and you're not familiar with

747
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:49,800
some of this stuff, that's where we're competing. But yeah,

748
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:55,199
Brandon Hegel absolutely huge. My first nominee here, Victor is

749
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,880
an extremely foolish one for me to make because I

750
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,519
was trying to extract this player from you in in

751
00:38:00,639 --> 00:38:03,760
a salary league relatively recently, and that's Tage Thompson. So

752
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,800
me saying that I love his contract is probably just

753
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:10,400
a terrible idea on my part. He is making an

754
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,559
aav of seven point one four two eight five seven million.

755
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,239
I was trying to decide if that was some multiple

756
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,599
pie for a while, but I don't think it is.

757
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,119
I think it's just the way you divide. And he's

758
00:38:21,159 --> 00:38:24,719
getting six point three seven tidy points per game, which

759
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:29,519
again it's way above that minimum he is on that contract.

760
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,480
Like I said, five more years, seven point one four

761
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,880
even on the Sabers he's producing, which tells me that

762
00:38:37,079 --> 00:38:39,159
if he were to get to a better team or

763
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,079
the Sabers were to get better, those numbers could very

764
00:38:42,079 --> 00:38:44,760
well go off. But the amount of points per game

765
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,320
that he's getting in terms of Fantasy points per game

766
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,320
would be very acceptable for a guy making ten million

767
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,280
dollars and he's making seven. And I think his game

768
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:54,480
is going to age fine.

769
00:38:54,639 --> 00:38:55,320
Speaker 1: He's huge.

770
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 3: I think he will be durable and be able to

771
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,719
keep going out there. That's definitely even though five more years,

772
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,480
I think in some of our nominees, I think you've

773
00:39:04,519 --> 00:39:08,360
got some guys who have more years out five is

774
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,280
probably on the thin side, and I have some other

775
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:11,800
guys who are a little bit on the thin side

776
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:15,719
of it. This won't be as amazing a contract, probably

777
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:19,079
as Brandon Hagels will be several years from now, but

778
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,320
it's going to be a very good one. So I

779
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:22,480
like Tate Thompson a lot.

780
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, Tate Thompson. I think he was my first pick

781
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:32,320
in the Diesel League. Yeah, he's got great value. And

782
00:39:32,679 --> 00:39:35,679
I think that year too that I picked him, he

783
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:37,400
had a bit of a down year. I think that's

784
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,840
always good too, when you can get someone on a

785
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:40,599
bit of a down league.

786
00:39:40,679 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love Tage.

787
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:43,679
Speaker 4: I think also looking at what he did in the

788
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,360
World Championships, that was great. So you love to see

789
00:39:46,679 --> 00:39:51,159
the trend up. I don't love the situation in Buffalo.

790
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:53,079
It seems to always be that way, but I think

791
00:39:53,079 --> 00:39:54,519
that he's going to produce no matter what.

792
00:39:56,039 --> 00:39:57,519
Speaker 1: So I love him.

793
00:39:57,639 --> 00:40:00,559
Speaker 4: All right, Ready for my next one? All right, So

794
00:40:00,639 --> 00:40:03,119
Logan Cooley is going to be my next one. And

795
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:07,239
this is an example of one of these situations where

796
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:13,559
I think you're comfortable sort of buying high ish. Obviously

797
00:40:13,599 --> 00:40:15,840
he just signed. He's on an entry level right now,

798
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,159
so his value is bonkers. And this kind of relates

799
00:40:18,199 --> 00:40:20,280
back to a point I wanted to make, like sometimes

800
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:25,400
people almost discount the entry level contracts. Oh, it's only

801
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,039
for this amount of time. I think as long as

802
00:40:27,079 --> 00:40:30,199
you can factor the rays that they're going to get

803
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,639
into your window, I think that's the most important thing.

804
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:34,559
Just don't assume that's going to continue. As long as

805
00:40:34,559 --> 00:40:37,239
you're not assuming that entry level amount is going to

806
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:41,719
continue for an ornamate amount of time, you're fine. Logan

807
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:43,639
Cool is going to start making ten million a year

808
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,480
as of next season, and I think if you think

809
00:40:46,519 --> 00:40:50,440
about that, it has to fit your window, because the

810
00:40:50,559 --> 00:40:55,000
first season or maybe two of that window is probably

811
00:40:55,039 --> 00:40:58,599
not going to be great because he's a great young player,

812
00:40:59,039 --> 00:41:01,639
but he's not quite making or he's not quite producing

813
00:41:01,679 --> 00:41:02,519
at an elite level.

814
00:41:02,559 --> 00:41:03,599
Speaker 1: You see it.

815
00:41:03,599 --> 00:41:05,679
Speaker 4: It talked about on a recent episode how he basically

816
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:07,679
won me a week and you see the skill like

817
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:12,679
he can absolutely be amazing, but also he's still young

818
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,400
and figuring it out, and he goes through phases and weeks.

819
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,639
Right now recently since I mentioned that he's didn't do

820
00:41:18,679 --> 00:41:21,440
anything last week, he was a total bum. So you

821
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,199
know you're going to have that with young players, And

822
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:24,960
so the first season or two of that ten million

823
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,039
is probably not going to be great, So you're not

824
00:41:27,079 --> 00:41:30,519
going to necessarily want that, But long term I would

825
00:41:30,519 --> 00:41:33,400
bet on Logan Cooley. I think that long term, two

826
00:41:33,519 --> 00:41:36,079
or three years from now, when Dom does his next

827
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,679
iteration of that, he's going to say Logan Cooley is

828
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:43,119
probably valued at sixteen seventeen plus million, and he's making

829
00:41:43,159 --> 00:41:45,719
ten so I think that he's going to far exceed

830
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,360
the value of that contract. It just might take a

831
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:49,880
couple of years. And that's the kind of player that

832
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,719
I want to invest in, especially if it fits your window.

833
00:41:53,199 --> 00:41:56,159
If it fits your window where you're planning to be

834
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:59,079
competitive in a couple of years, then Logan.

835
00:41:58,880 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 1: Cooley is perfect.

836
00:42:00,079 --> 00:42:04,199
Speaker 4: But if you're if you're in that competitive window right now,

837
00:42:05,519 --> 00:42:07,719
this is exactly the situation where you have to modify

838
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:09,679
based on where your team is at. If you're a

839
00:42:09,679 --> 00:42:11,840
competitive team now and you have Lowan Cooley on your roster,

840
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,280
you're absolutely going to keep him this year, but you

841
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:18,480
might try to find another person to want them after

842
00:42:18,519 --> 00:42:21,760
this year if you don't feel like you can weather

843
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,360
that first year or two at that ten million, because

844
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,079
that is probably not going to be the best value

845
00:42:27,079 --> 00:42:29,920
per dollar for that year or two. Me I would

846
00:42:30,039 --> 00:42:33,159
rather keep him if you could get Brandon Hagel contract

847
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,639
for half the amount of money almost and twice the production.

848
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:38,559
Then maybe you do that because right now, at least

849
00:42:38,559 --> 00:42:42,159
in our settings, Hagel is certainly producing more in the Tidy.

850
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:44,920
But I don't think it'll be too long until Cooley

851
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:45,639
catches up to him.

852
00:42:45,679 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 3: Jesse, Yeah, I was initially going to joke that the

853
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:54,119
best contract was going to be whatever Leo Carlson's next

854
00:42:54,159 --> 00:42:56,880
contract was after he got it, even if they pay

855
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,000
him an insane amount of money the way he's been

856
00:42:59,079 --> 00:43:04,239
going this year. But yeah, I think that it's entirely defensible.

857
00:43:04,559 --> 00:43:05,800
It's going to be a lot to live up to,

858
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,159
and you're betting on the combs, so to speak, but

859
00:43:08,559 --> 00:43:13,159
Logan Cooley certainly is worth investing in at this point.

860
00:43:14,159 --> 00:43:17,239
My next player, I'm gonna go this is probably the

861
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,480
lowest amount of future term of anybody who we're going

862
00:43:19,559 --> 00:43:21,079
to discuss in this half of the show, and that's

863
00:43:21,119 --> 00:43:24,840
gonna be Josh Morrissey of the Winnipeg Jets. How do

864
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,920
you turn down a guy who's thirty, he's got three

865
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,280
more years at six point twenty five, and he's averaging

866
00:43:31,039 --> 00:43:34,639
about six Tidy points per game. That's insane. He's the

867
00:43:34,679 --> 00:43:38,760
power play one quarterback for the Winnipeg Jets, who last

868
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,320
I heard, are pretty good NHL team with the decent

869
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,719
power play. I think he gets lost in the shuffle

870
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,920
from time to time. But considering that this is the

871
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:49,880
amount that you would be paying in terms of a

872
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:53,599
salary for like a Colton Pareco or something, there's a

873
00:43:53,639 --> 00:43:57,840
lot of defensemen around six million dollars at Gavrikhov who

874
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:01,880
are making a whole lot fewer points for you in fantasy.

875
00:44:02,159 --> 00:44:06,199
Considering the value by the position, Josh Morrissey is a

876
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,239
really good value right there, especially if you have to

877
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,559
start a lot of defensemen your league. I know we

878
00:44:11,599 --> 00:44:13,199
play in some leagues where you have to start six

879
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:17,440
defensemen in relatively deep league, those get rough. Those are

880
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,159
the roster spots you're always trying to extract something out of,

881
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,519
and the guys on the waiver wire are not much.

882
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,960
Josh Morrissey's definitely a guy who's got my eye in

883
00:44:27,159 --> 00:44:30,119
many of those leagues. Is a prime player to fit

884
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,119
in my salary structure.

885
00:44:34,519 --> 00:44:37,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, Morsey is definitely underrated. He's if you look at

886
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,320
like tiers of top defenseman, he's typically at the bottom,

887
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,639
but still really useful, and I have him in several

888
00:44:42,679 --> 00:44:45,639
leagues because of that, including the cup full where he's

889
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:49,719
just chugs along and produces and cap leagues. That's an

890
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:53,119
insane value because he is really good. So I like that,

891
00:44:53,559 --> 00:44:55,440
And we're going to go from one defenseman to another

892
00:44:55,559 --> 00:44:58,440
because my next guy is Jake Sanderson and he's not

893
00:44:58,599 --> 00:45:01,199
mole too where yeah, he's a little bit more expensive,

894
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:04,280
but I just I love the cost control. What I

895
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,920
really dislike in a lot of these leagues is uncertainty,

896
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:11,960
uncertainty in what the player is gonna get because sometimes

897
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:16,000
teams do crazy things. Players decide to bridge or not bridge,

898
00:45:16,079 --> 00:45:18,519
or do a short term really expensive contract, and then

899
00:45:18,559 --> 00:45:22,639
that's brutal for you to keep under your cap. So

900
00:45:22,679 --> 00:45:24,960
I like just knowing that Jake Sanderson is going to

901
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,519
be a little over eight million for several more seasons

902
00:45:27,599 --> 00:45:30,440
and his production is already fantastic. I think he's gonna

903
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,639
do even better in our tidy settings. He's one of

904
00:45:32,639 --> 00:45:35,519
the top defensemen out there because he bangs and gets

905
00:45:35,559 --> 00:45:38,719
a lot of points. So I just I love the

906
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:40,800
ability to know that I can lock him into my

907
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:42,960
roster and not have to worry about him. And he's

908
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,360
a cost controlled asset. Yes, he's a little bit on

909
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:47,840
the high side, but the value per dollar is definitely there.

910
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:51,840
He's not someone who's a problem in terms of costing

911
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,400
too much or anything like that. Yeah, he's fantastic. I

912
00:45:54,519 --> 00:45:57,480
love I love Jake Sanderson. I think he's a really

913
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,599
fun player to watch too. But it's just so dependable,

914
00:45:59,599 --> 00:46:01,800
like he's not going down. DOM has him valued at

915
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:05,559
almost twelve million, so you know, he's four million or

916
00:46:05,559 --> 00:46:08,760
whatever surplus there. So I think that's important too. I

917
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:12,159
know we don't I know it's not real NHL value

918
00:46:12,199 --> 00:46:13,960
that we're looking at in fantasy, but I think it's

919
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:17,760
helpful to know that this player on the market, the

920
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:19,719
NHL would view him as a value, and I think

921
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,800
that is helpful to look at in fantasy too. It's

922
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,280
not everything, but it's good to know that, yeah, he's

923
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:27,960
more valuable than probably what he's getting paid, and so

924
00:46:28,159 --> 00:46:30,480
that can translate a little bit to fantasy.

925
00:46:30,519 --> 00:46:31,519
Speaker 1: Do you look at that all just.

926
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:38,159
Speaker 3: Oh, for sure. And again, a six to eight million

927
00:46:38,199 --> 00:46:41,199
dollar contract is pretty average for one of the top

928
00:46:41,199 --> 00:46:44,719
defensemen in the NHL. What's not average is the type

929
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:48,639
of production you get from Jake Sanderson. Again, the value

930
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:52,559
over what you can get as another defenseman coming off

931
00:46:52,599 --> 00:46:55,559
the wire six tidy points per game. I bet you

932
00:46:55,679 --> 00:46:59,239
there's a ton of defensemen on your waiver wire who

933
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,840
are getting about out two and a half tidy points

934
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:03,320
per game if you were to if you were to

935
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,440
average all those together. So Jake Sanderson is very much

936
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,239
worth it at that contract. He's going to be He's

937
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:12,440
going to be cemented in to that role on that

938
00:47:12,519 --> 00:47:15,760
team for a long time. He's already surpassed Thomas Shabab

939
00:47:16,119 --> 00:47:19,760
and he is he is absolutely exceptional. Yeah, I'm all

940
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,920
for that. I'm all for that Jake Sanderson contract. Echo

941
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:26,719
and applaud that decision. Is this our Is this the

942
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:30,440
fourth straight player playing in Canada that we've discussed here.

943
00:47:30,519 --> 00:47:33,360
We've we've done our run through the lower forty eight,

944
00:47:34,079 --> 00:47:38,519
and now we're onto Nick's Zuki of the Montreal Canadians,

945
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:40,559
who I'm going to highlight for the next one A

946
00:47:40,639 --> 00:47:44,360
Sazuki at five more years, a seven point eight five million.

947
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:48,320
That's really a great contract. Seven point two to three

948
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:51,320
tidy points per game so far this year. I think

949
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,119
that's Yes, that's the tops of any of the players

950
00:47:54,119 --> 00:47:56,920
we're talking about today in terms of their production so

951
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,599
far this year. Yes he's a centerman, and and yes,

952
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,840
only five years left on this thing, but he is

953
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:08,480
absolutely killing it for his production right now, and I

954
00:48:08,559 --> 00:48:10,559
definitely this is one of the guys that I would

955
00:48:10,559 --> 00:48:14,760
want filling up my roster. Suzuki is an exceptional player,

956
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,400
and making under eight million dollars for all those years

957
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:19,920
coming up is going to seem like an absolute song

958
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,559
by the time this is done. And personally, I think

959
00:48:22,599 --> 00:48:26,480
Montreal continues to head up upward. I think the offense

960
00:48:26,519 --> 00:48:29,159
around him is probably only going to get stronger, and

961
00:48:29,199 --> 00:48:32,000
so Suzuki is definitely a guy that I would be

962
00:48:32,039 --> 00:48:35,599
targeting in a salary league at this point.

963
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:40,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's someone who I think we weren't sure could

964
00:48:40,159 --> 00:48:42,400
he truly be that first line center for a while there,

965
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,079
But I think those questions are fully answered now and

966
00:48:45,119 --> 00:48:48,519
he's a tremendous value for sure. So that's a great one.

967
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,239
The next one I wanted to highlight is a goalie,

968
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,880
and I think just the reason I wanted to mention

969
00:48:54,199 --> 00:48:59,280
Coralvimelka is not necessarily for him specifically, but just how

970
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,800
I think you should value goalies in general, because I'm

971
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:06,639
not the kind who wants to pay whatever ten million

972
00:49:06,639 --> 00:49:10,280
plus for the top goalie. I think that his four

973
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:16,000
point what is he at? Four point eight million per

974
00:49:16,079 --> 00:49:19,239
year is plenty to pay a goalie, and it was

975
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,280
plenty in the previous cap. It's going to be even

976
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:23,960
better in the rising cap.

977
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:25,039
Speaker 1: But I think.

978
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 4: That that's a perfectly reasonable salary. If you could get

979
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:31,639
your goalie for four to six million, that's great, And

980
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,800
some teams are paying two or three times that for

981
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:38,360
their goalie tandem, which is just bonkers. So I think that,

982
00:49:39,119 --> 00:49:41,000
of course, there are some goalies who are worth that.

983
00:49:41,079 --> 00:49:43,719
I'm not saying that they're not. I think that Egers

984
00:49:43,599 --> 00:49:45,480
just Strikin is an amazing goalie and I think he

985
00:49:45,519 --> 00:49:47,039
probably is worth that amount of money.

986
00:49:47,079 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 1: And I think that.

987
00:49:49,199 --> 00:49:52,679
Speaker 4: Connor Hellbuck is amazing and worth every penny in terms

988
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,639
of for them. It's just if I was putting a

989
00:49:55,679 --> 00:49:58,840
team together, I would not want to invest that much

990
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,360
in the goalie position. I would want to invest it

991
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:04,280
more in some of the other key positions because there's

992
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,000
so much variability there in goaltenders and all the things

993
00:50:07,039 --> 00:50:10,199
we've talked about fading goalies. And when you look at

994
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:12,480
the value, go to your league and look at what

995
00:50:12,559 --> 00:50:16,960
the value is for goalies, and you'll probably I doubt

996
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:19,800
you'll see the most expensive ones are the best. That's

997
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:22,599
just generally not how it works. I'm just going to

998
00:50:22,639 --> 00:50:26,880
take a peek at my league and see what the

999
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,440
goalies are, what the situation is, and a few of

1000
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:32,480
the top goalies are the ones that I have. Lucas

1001
00:50:32,519 --> 00:50:34,920
destaal right now is a top goalie and he's on

1002
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:38,039
my roster at six point five million. Have you do

1003
00:50:38,119 --> 00:50:41,039
have some Jake Our, some Migercius Jerkin, and some Sergei

1004
00:50:41,159 --> 00:50:43,360
Raboski there in the top ten, but it's also littered

1005
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:45,719
with other guys that are making four and a half million.

1006
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:47,119
Speaker 1: Scott Wedgwood at a million and.

1007
00:50:47,119 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 4: A half that's a bit of an outlier, but Joey

1008
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,480
Tocurd at five millions. It's definitely not the case that

1009
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,679
the more expensive they are, the better they are. And

1010
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:56,599
I think that if you look at value per dollar,

1011
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,920
there's definitely a case to be made that you want

1012
00:51:00,119 --> 00:51:01,519
to have a little bit of a lower.

1013
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:02,039
Speaker 1: Cap hit or AV.

1014
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 4: I also think though, that there is something to be

1015
00:51:05,559 --> 00:51:09,079
said for you want the guy who's clearly the number one.

1016
00:51:09,159 --> 00:51:11,760
If you're in a deep enough league like this is

1017
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:13,639
a twenty team league. But if you're in a deep

1018
00:51:13,679 --> 00:51:16,639
enough league, you want the guy. You want a significant

1019
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:19,159
enough cap hit that your guy is clearly the starter.

1020
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:22,320
You don't want to have a situation where you just

1021
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:24,599
have two tandem guys and you're struggling for starts. That

1022
00:51:24,639 --> 00:51:26,639
can be challenging in a really deep league, and then

1023
00:51:26,679 --> 00:51:29,599
you just might not get any starts. So like in

1024
00:51:29,639 --> 00:51:33,719
my thirty two team league, we have Ilia Sarrokin, and

1025
00:51:34,159 --> 00:51:36,440
part of the reason for that, even though what I

1026
00:51:36,559 --> 00:51:39,079
just said about not investing too much in goalies, but

1027
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:41,239
you need someone who's starting.

1028
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 1: All the time that you can depend on.

1029
00:51:42,519 --> 00:51:45,280
Speaker 4: That because our the goalie is Kevin Lancinan, who's great

1030
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:46,800
goalie and good contract.

1031
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:47,639
Speaker 1: But he just doesn't play enough.

1032
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:50,760
Speaker 4: So you need someone in a deep enough league that

1033
00:51:51,079 --> 00:51:53,559
you can rely on because there are just no goalies,

1034
00:51:53,559 --> 00:51:56,960
and there's no goalies at all. Even guys who might

1035
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:58,960
sniff the NHL in two or three years are not

1036
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,280
available in that league. So you're just not going to

1037
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:04,039
get any starts. If it's a if it's a shallower

1038
00:52:04,079 --> 00:52:06,400
league with not as many teams where you can grab

1039
00:52:07,559 --> 00:52:09,800
someone if one of your guys gets injured or something

1040
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:11,960
like that, then it's a completely different situation, and I

1041
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:15,280
would not invest as much in goalies in those situations,

1042
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:19,000
but if it's hard to find them, you go ahead

1043
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:20,639
and pay a little bit more. And the reason I

1044
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,440
likes Broken in that league is because with the points league,

1045
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:26,199
and he's great, and he's only making in a quarter million,

1046
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:30,360
so he's several million less than Shasirkin, even though he's

1047
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:32,679
probably about as good at least in this format.

1048
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 3: And that's what you need. It's so hard to lock

1049
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,519
in a position for the long term, like that part

1050
00:52:40,559 --> 00:52:42,960
of me. Almost if Aiden Hill weren't hurt all year

1051
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:46,280
this year, I would be tempted to call him a

1052
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:48,719
decent value contract at six point twenty five million, not

1053
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,400
as good as grow By Melka, but considering that he's

1054
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:53,920
under contract to twenty thirty. But now he's been hurt

1055
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:56,440
a whole bunch and it's more difficult probably to make

1056
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:59,920
that case right now than it has been at times. Yeah,

1057
00:53:00,079 --> 00:53:02,679
but life comes at you fast. Some of these goalies

1058
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:05,119
look really good today and then they don't look so

1059
00:53:05,159 --> 00:53:07,960
good tomorrow, and so you have to decide do you

1060
00:53:08,079 --> 00:53:10,000
want to sign on for the long term with them?

1061
00:53:10,039 --> 00:53:14,079
But I do Bamilka as a good investment for the

1062
00:53:14,079 --> 00:53:18,079
long term, Victor, I like you there. My final one

1063
00:53:18,119 --> 00:53:20,599
of these guys I to do is another guy who's

1064
00:53:20,639 --> 00:53:23,440
been that that middle range. We're gonna go Matt Boldie.

1065
00:53:23,639 --> 00:53:26,719
Matt Boldie, he's on ESPN commercials Now, people, that's how

1066
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:30,039
you've really hit the big time playing for the Minnesota Wild.

1067
00:53:30,079 --> 00:53:33,840
He's getting five more years of seven million dollars a

1068
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:36,840
year six point three to one tidy points. You could

1069
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:38,960
say this is a bridge Is it a bridge contract?

1070
00:53:39,079 --> 00:53:42,400
He's on a seven more year deal or a seven

1071
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:46,480
year deal, five of which are left and seven million

1072
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:49,199
per is seven million per So I think that it's

1073
00:53:49,199 --> 00:53:53,360
fair when somebody's contract is going that far into the

1074
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:55,840
future to call it to call it a value for

1075
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,440
the long term. So yeah, I don't think you can

1076
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:00,920
do much better than that in terms of of your

1077
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:04,440
production and your production per value than Matt Boldie is

1078
00:54:04,519 --> 00:54:06,880
right now. Imagine if you was coming on the market

1079
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:09,519
right now at age what twenty four that he is

1080
00:54:09,599 --> 00:54:12,920
right now, if he was in the same conversation for

1081
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:14,639
getting a contract right now, I would have to think

1082
00:54:14,679 --> 00:54:17,280
you'd get like eleven million or something like that. As

1083
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:19,280
opposed to the seven million he's signed on for the

1084
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:22,079
long term a couple of years back. Yeah, but Matt

1085
00:54:22,079 --> 00:54:25,119
Boldie definitely somebody who you would want to grab a

1086
00:54:25,159 --> 00:54:27,800
hold of at this price if you could in the league.

1087
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:33,559
Any last thoughts on this salary fun that we're talking

1088
00:54:33,599 --> 00:54:36,760
about today, Victor before we get out of here today.

1089
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:40,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think just to reiterate what I mentioned in

1090
00:54:40,159 --> 00:54:42,280
this strategy episode last week. I did talk a little

1091
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:44,639
bit about salary cap, but just know your settings, Like

1092
00:54:44,679 --> 00:54:47,480
it's so important to know, like how many buyouts you have,

1093
00:54:47,519 --> 00:54:49,639
what is the cap hit penalty, how many teams you have,

1094
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:52,800
what is the value over replacement? As we talked about,

1095
00:54:53,119 --> 00:54:56,280
what is the value of your players relative and free

1096
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:58,840
agency compared to what you have on your roster, Like

1097
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:02,519
you just really try to to research and understand what

1098
00:55:02,559 --> 00:55:04,840
the value is per team and where you're at and

1099
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:07,880
where the players are because it is just not standard.

1100
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:11,199
It's very different league to league, even the several cap

1101
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:13,400
leagues that I'm in, it's very different whether it's a

1102
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:15,800
fourteen or a twenty team or thirty two team league,

1103
00:55:16,119 --> 00:55:19,239
what the buyout structure is, what the ad structure is,

1104
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:22,639
Like it's just always a bit different, so you can

1105
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:25,880
even amongst those I'm in I think five different cap leagues,

1106
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:29,079
even amongst those leagues that I'm in on my own, like,

1107
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:31,440
the value of each player is very different, so I

1108
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:34,400
can't imagine all the other different settings that you might

1109
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:35,119
be in your league.

1110
00:55:35,159 --> 00:55:37,159
Speaker 1: So just really understand that, I think is the key.

1111
00:55:37,199 --> 00:55:40,119
Speaker 4: And when you're asking a question, make sure you preface

1112
00:55:40,199 --> 00:55:42,599
with all that information, or at least much as you can,

1113
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:46,199
because it completely changes the answer. And if someone doesn't

1114
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:48,519
ask you for all those details when you ask of

1115
00:55:48,559 --> 00:55:51,800
this first player versus that, you probably shouldn't be listening

1116
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:54,119
to them because if they give you a flip answer,

1117
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:58,199
if they say, oh, definitely this guy without asking you

1118
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:00,679
how many teams or what the settings or I don't

1119
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:01,840
know how you can trust that.

1120
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:05,840
Speaker 1: Quite frankly, yeah, you definitely, you definitely want to.

1121
00:56:06,199 --> 00:56:09,800
Speaker 3: People are in the business of giving glib answers because

1122
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:12,320
it's a medium where people want to hear something and

1123
00:56:12,639 --> 00:56:14,199
you don't want to have to solve a math problem

1124
00:56:14,199 --> 00:56:15,880
every time to be able to follow what's going on.

1125
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:18,239
But that's just the truth about fantasy is there's the

1126
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:20,320
devil's in the details all the time. That can make

1127
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:23,199
the whole difference. Great stuff, fixture, great stuff from you.

1128
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:34,679
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