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Speaker 1: It's knocked off the Baylor Bears a couple of nights

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back ten straight twenty win seasons at the University of Houston.

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The all time god of coaching, Kevin Samson joining us

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here on the show. Coach, good afternoon, Thanks for joining us. Congratulations.

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It seems like just yesterday you and I were sitting

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atop that dump known as the Hawfie Pavilion, thinking, oh,

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you're going to fix this right away, And it took

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a couple of years, but you got us there. Congratulations

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on another ten twenty one season for you and your squad.

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Speaker 2: It does seem like seemed like a long time ago,

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but yet you and I both still remember it, so

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oh yeah, something about our cognitive state.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's still a.

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Speaker 2: It's been a beautiful ride, wonderful journey, and can't wait

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to see what the future holds.

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Speaker 1: It feels like to me that you have had to

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balance a lot of aches and pains with your roster

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the last three or four weeks, with guys getting some

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time starting second halves, not playing in certain sections of

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the games. Where is the state of your squad right

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now injury wise? And is this kind of a look

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you don't want to ask for injuries for anything, but

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it's giving you an opportunity during this time to check

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out some different combinations.

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Speaker 4: Am I correct on that.

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Speaker 3: No, that would be accurate. I think health wise, we're

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about as good as we've been.

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Speaker 2: Sitting Emmanuel down for a week or so or at

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least two games, I think really helped him. The only

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reason he did not start the second half was he

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had to retape his ankle, so he was late getting

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out to the bench at halftime, so we started Terrence.

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Speaker 3: No big deal. Terrence played good.

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Speaker 2: When Emmanuel got back out, we stuck him in and.

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Speaker 3: He went out and played well too. So I think

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our team is progressing.

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Speaker 2: The great thing about your team is the season goes

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on is everybody settles into a role. It's a lot

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easier to define your role and goes on before before

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the season starts, or even early in the season, because

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you're still learning your team. You know, we have a

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brand new point guard. It means everybody's game was going

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to change a little bit. But my loss has done

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an excellent job of fitting in and doing it his way,

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and I'm really proud.

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Speaker 3: Of that young man.

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Speaker 4: You have mentioned. I was gonna ask about models right away.

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Speaker 1: You had asked, talked about him from the first time

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you got him on your campus to where he is now.

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Was there a certain turning point or was that just

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I've got a young man, very talented, but me coaching

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him and others coaching him in his life are two

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different animals.

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Speaker 3: I would agree with that one hundred percent. Every coach

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is going to be different, you know.

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Speaker 2: And however, the previous coach handled my loast was exactly

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the way it should have been. Every coach is different,

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but every coach is right and the way he does

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his own thing. Thing with Milos with us is adapting

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to our culture, you know, just on a day to

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day basis, UH, individual development, UH, position workhouts, team workouts.

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You know, we build we build our team through through

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those three areas. You know, we we work you out

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individually as it applies to how we defend and play offense,

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and your position workouts is.

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Speaker 3: Usually defense and then offense, and then.

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Speaker 2: The team workouts kind of a smaller's board of everything.

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But he's he's a smart kid. I think he's gotten

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tougher and more competitive, and I think he's embraced that.

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Speaker 3: He enjoys that. But like every basketball player in the country.

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He's not perfect. He still has some.

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Speaker 2: Things he has to work on, some some uh pensis

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he needs to climb over.

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Speaker 3: But a lot of that stuff is individuals, you know.

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Speaker 2: A basketball coach, you can put your team together, but

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as an individual, you have to conquer your own demons,

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and I think he's done a great.

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Speaker 3: Job of that.

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Speaker 1: You've got so many young men that have obviously bought

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into your system, and if they don't buy in, they

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usually go somewhere else. Juwan continues to play great. Tuggler

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has even advancing from from last year.

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Speaker 4: I want to go to.

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Speaker 1: Malik Wilson for a second, because you know, and look,

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you and I could have a deep conversation about kids

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that jump with the portal as fast as possible, kids

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that are jumping because of nil or they're not getting

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playing time or whatever. Well, he could have done that.

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He's stuck around. He gets his minutes. He's had some

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impactful games for you in the time you've asked of him.

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But tell me about a young man like that that said,

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you know what, I'm not getting there.

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Speaker 4: Maybe I should be playing more.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I've got to get on the good side or

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bad side, one way or the other, but he stuck

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it out and he has been able to give you

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what you needed in those times where you needed Wilson

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think the biggest thing with Malie Matt is he

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enjoys being part of a team. His ego doesn't drive him.

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a winning program, but not everybody wants.

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Speaker 3: To to win. The way the program is set up,

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a lot of kids have a com up beside it.

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I want to win, but I want.

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Speaker 2: To win if I getting the most shots, or the

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most minutes or the most of this. So as individual,

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we don't have those kind of kids in our program.

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a choice and go somewhere else. You know, Tron Mark,

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Caleb Mills, Damien Dunn all transferred and and that was

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the best decision for them. And that's okay, that's the

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that's college basketball today. It's no it's no mark against anybody.

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Kids to look for better opportunities. But Malikas is unique. Uh.

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He's from Rayville, Louisiana, which about as small town as

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you can get. I think he was raised with small town,

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small town values by his mother. He's got a very

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close knit family. They wanted him here. I remember when

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he was going through his process. His mother called me

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and she said, Coach Sampson, uh, I want Malik to

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stay with you. And I said, well, we absolutely want

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him to stay here. We brought him in. I sat

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down and was very honest with him about the way

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I saw his role being. I didn't think he would

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be a starter, but I thought he would He could

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develop and come off the bench and be part of

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a winning team and have that, you know, for the

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rest of his life. You know, Malik's been part of

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an NCAA tournament Sweet sixteen conference championship. Was he starter

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and the leading score on those teams? No, but he

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has no ego. He wants to be part of a team.

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We don't beat Kansas without Malik. He scored eighteen points

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in that game. Boys at that don't let that cloud

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your future also on him, that was that was probably

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a one off. But he still does things that impacts

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winning for US. Is athleticism is a factor, his defense

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Speaker 3: And his personality and his heart as a factor.

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Speaker 2: I absolutely love and respect elite Wilson a lot.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think you should recruit the Raval area because

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my close friend Elvin Hayes is from there, so there

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must be some sort of pipeline over there.

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Speaker 3: Well, we're two for two from Rayville. We'll see.

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Speaker 2: We'll monitor that area closely going forward to see if

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to ask a big picture question for

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Kevin Sampson with us here on the program. Kevin, when

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I was calling college basketball twenty years ago, when you

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brought transfers in, you always were I'm not saying in

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every situation, but you are always leary about the transfer

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because he's transferring for some reason. It feels like to

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me in twenty twenty five, as your sport changes, and

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we've talked about this on numerous occasions, do you have

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to kind of shake off that, Well, there must be

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a reason why, and maybe what you do instead of saying, well,

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why did you leave is compared to why do you

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want to come now?

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Speaker 4: What do you want to play for us? Is?

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Speaker 1: Does the mentality change a little bit or do you'd

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still have to do the deep dive as to why

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a particular young man wants to leave a school and

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all of a sudden wants to come play for Kelvin

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Speaker 3: Well, absolutely, you have to do your due diligence.

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Speaker 2: But port of Moser, the head coach at Oklahoma, is

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a very very good friend of mine. He's in his

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assistance have been through here spending time with us in

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the summer, exchanging ideas. I've known Porter since he was

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at Loyola in Chicago when he took that program to

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the final four.

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Speaker 3: So I picked up the bone and called Mosure.

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Speaker 2: And I know that had the potential to be an

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uncomfortable situation, but I think I think it speaks to

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our relationship with each other.

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Speaker 3: And he had nothing but great thing to say about Milos.

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Speaker 2: He knew he was going to leave, and he thought

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that it would be an adjustment, but he was worth

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the gamble. One of the things that helped Milos is

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his dad was a very successful high school coach in

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Las Vegas, and Milo's played for him. And I think

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the key thing Matt was Milos chose us. He did

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his research, He went through and said what program can

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I go to and be the best version of myself

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I can be? And when we when we had started

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to have an initial conversations, he made that very clear

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to me, Coach Amson, I want to come to Houston.

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Speaker 3: We didn't have to recruit him.

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Speaker 2: He chose us, and all the conversations we had with

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him was about him getting better and the reasons why

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he wanted to get better in the areas that he

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felt he needed to improve in. So he came in

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here with the right attitude. H He has surrendered to

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the culture of the program. He has fit seamlessly in

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with our kids because like all the all of our kids,

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he's a great human beings, outstanding person. So you know,

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Mylos's best days I think are still ahead of him.

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aggressive in the shot clock.

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Speaker 2: His defense in space is getting better, but there's still

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a lot of work to do for him and all

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our players as we continue to push push on through

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this season.

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Speaker 1: Farlet your on the last time I think you were

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in Tucson, I called the game you were coaching in

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Oklahoma and I was calling Utah games. Am I correct

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on that you guys even played there? Since then?

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Speaker 3: Right? No? That was Andrew Bogus here.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you had given Kevin. You had

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Kevin book out Oklahoma. I remember him very very well.

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Let's get to your squad has gone to Kansas and

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played you have played at Iowa State. There are some

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ferocious arenas in the Big Twelve. But my guess is

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your team is mature enough to not worry about the elements.

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Just appreciate the big crowd. And I don't know what

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you want to put on it if it was just

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one game, but you went to Allen Fieldhouse. There are

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a lot of great basketball players, Kevin that have been

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in that building that have completely been shell shocked by

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the moment. So going to Tucson, while again great basketball team,

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they've got just a couple of blemishes in the conference,

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that should be nothing in terms of a overwhelming.

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Speaker 4: Moment for your squad going in that building on Saturday.

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Speaker 3: Well, I wouldn't say nothing.

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Speaker 5: I mean, that's I coached in the Pac Ten against

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coach loud Olsen's teams with Damon Stanemyer, Khalid Reeves, Sean Elliott,

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's that's up there with all the

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great basketball arenas in the country. They do have a

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great home court advantage which is why they never lose.

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Speaker 3: I think that's right.

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Speaker 2: But you know, when you go on the road and

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you're playing at Houston or at Arizona or at Kansas,

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if you win, it's an unbelievable win, but if you lose,

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it's not the end of the world. You're planning a

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team that probably should win this game at home, But

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for us, it's an opportunity to take a step forward

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and see if we can compete at that.

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Speaker 3: Kind of atmosphere with the team that's fighting for the

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league championship.

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Speaker 2: This year they got they got an outstanding team, great

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depth up front. Coach Lloyd has done an unbelievable job there,

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Caleb Love, Jaylen Bradley, kJ Lewis del Orso good back court.

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Speaker 3: So two really good teams.

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Speaker 2: One of them's gonna win, one of them's gonna lose,

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and whicheverone wins, we'll move on down the road, and

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which everyone loses, they'll do the same thing.

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Speaker 3: Can get to the.

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Speaker 1: Next And lastly, what's the one thing you want to

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see from your squad between now and the end of

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the season that thinks it will be the determining factor

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about how you go deep in the tournament, and obviously

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What is there anything you're looking for still at this

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point or do you feel like just maintaining what you

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have brought to the program you started talking to the

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kids about when you first got together during the summertime.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think all coaches this time.

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Speaker 2: Of year, Matt, your biggest concern is the things that

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are out of your control, and that's help. You know,

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Baylor took a huge hit when they lost their center.

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kids out, seems like, and we've certainly been through that

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with our program. And so we pray for good We

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pray for good health, and just keep working on the

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things that's got us to where we are.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we're twenty what is our record? Twenty and four,

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twelve and one in the league.

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Speaker 2: There's some things we need to get better at, some

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areas we need to shore up, but you're always trying

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to work to get better. You watch film, you identify

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problem areas, and you go out there and do the

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best you can to clean them up. But when you're

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playing good teams, you're not gonna shut these teams out

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and they're not gonna show two out.

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Speaker 3: It comes down to depth on the bench.

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Speaker 2: I think one of the strains of our teams is Malik,

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three guys, yeah, have all contributed to winning for us,

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and then the other guys just keep working.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 2: It's a you know you're gonna lose games on the

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road in the Big twelve, does all teams do, and

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but your your ability to bounce back and get to

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the next one. And we're only about three or four

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weeks away from getting to the conference tournament, so you

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just want to keep playing well this time.

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Speaker 3: Of the year.

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Speaker 1: Kevin, thank you for the time. It's always safe travels

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to Arizona. We really appreciate. Congratulations and yet another twenty

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one season, I think one hundred weeks in the top

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twenty five. Outstanding accomplishments for you and your organization, your squad,

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your staff, and we wish you the very best coming

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up in the next couple weeks.

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Speaker 3: Okay, thanks for having me

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Speaker 4: On man, you got a Kelvin Sampson with us here.

