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Speaker 1: Well off of a weekend that has seen rising super

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middleweight Diego Pacheco did a ko in the matchroom main event.

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It is a weekend that is a holiday weekend in

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the US, but hey, we have a championship fight with

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so we get to talk about that a little bit,

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some other news and nostalgien more. It is the Fight

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Freaks U Night Recap podcast. Welcome back in. I am

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merely the somewhat competent host TJ. Reeves in the throes

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of the labor Day weekend mayhem in and around the

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Reefs household. Hopefully all of you are doing well, staying safe, etcetera. Hello,

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Dan Rayfield, our insider Fight Freaks unit is his substack.

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Why are you not subscribing? Why do you not have

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the newsletter? You're missing out, Brother Rayfield. Good to be

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back with you, to recap, to look ahead to in

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a way, some other news, etc. How are things my

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friend off the weekend?

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Speaker 2: Thanks are good? Look quiet, but that's okay. We're gonna

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get cranking up in a couple of weeks to cano.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we do. We have a bunch bigger stuff ahead.

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You need to be following. You need to be subscribing.

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By the way, if you have been following a subscribing,

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you heard from Edgar Berlanga, who's fighting Canelo Alvarez on

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this feed, go back and listen to it here back

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on the previous podcast. But whether it's Newsmakers, Fighters, et cetera.

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We bring you some guests twice, the Rayfield twice. The

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love all of that. I do need to make mention.

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I realize a lot of people are out of pocket

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they're traveling, But you know what, that's good for us

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because some people we have the captive audience. They're in

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the car that can't stand the family anymore. They put

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the AirPods in or whatever, and they listen to Rayfield

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and may talk some boxing, whatever the case is. So

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everybody be safe traveling this weekend. It is still part

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of the holiday weekend with Labor Day.

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Speaker 2: With that, I'm traveling. I am traveling absolutely nowhere this weekend.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly right. You're traveling.

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Speaker 2: Radius of travel this weekend might be like going to

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the to the store, or going to right, you know,

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wherever in the town.

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Speaker 1: Whatever it is, my radius and you will be in

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this world. Coming up is we have the wife's birthday.

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more so than me. So we're dealing kind of with that.

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But I'm with you. I'm not traveling this weekend from

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anything other than college football on the couch, some boxing

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to the fridge. That's the extent of my of my

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commute right now besides this pod. So we get together

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and we're here to talk to pot. All right, we've

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waited long enough. Diego Pacheco did get the KO. One

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of us thought KO on the US Boxing show, by

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the way, and it was a body shot KO main

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event matchroom Boxing. All right, dive right in. Tell me

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what you saw, including the new phrase is the one

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hitter quitter. He put the one hitter quitter on him

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with the big left, first time Suleski's ever been KOed.

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All right, your thoughts, Dan Ray feel in the recap

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mode on the Pacheco win.

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Speaker 2: My thoughts are pretty clear cut. I thought that he

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looked really good. He's a dynamic kind of fighters. He's

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smart the way he boxes, he doesn't force things. I

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thought he was patient, you know. I thought he did

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a good job of kind of feeling him out, taking

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it to him. SELECTI might have won around maybe two

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it the most, you know, in the middle of the fight,

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where I think it was more because because Pacheco sort

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of was sort of trying to figure things out a

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little bit and he backed off a little bit. But

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all in all, I thought Diego Pacheco in his biggest

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fight against the best name opponent of his career, was spectacular. Now,

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superstar fighter, but what you want to see when you're

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watching a twenty year old young guy make his way

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up the ladder and he's doing it, you know, in

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a little bit of a pressurized situation where he's the

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main event. He's in front of the hometown fans. Remember

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he's from East Los Angeles. This was taking place in

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Carson in the in the Dignity Health Park, so it's

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right now store. So it's a home game, and so

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there's pressure on the guy. He's talking about getting a

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knockout before the fight. He knows going into the fight

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that Celeski has never been stopped before. Even though he's

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got some losses, he's been dropped but never stopped. When

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he fought the big names that he's faced, which were

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in a world titled fight at middleweight against Dimitris Andre,

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he lost a decision one sided, but he went the route.

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he also got knocked down, but went the route in

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a competitive loss. So Pacheco knows that people are going

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to be measuring him because now Celeski, he's you know,

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fights ago, but still you know, he's perceived as the

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smaller guy. So he wanted to make, as they say

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in the game, make a statement and winning. Sometimes winning

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is all you gotta worry about. Win the fight and

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move on and this was one of those kinds of

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situations where given his position as the number one contender

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the pressure, the hometown, the acknowledgment that it's a knockout

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kind of or bust in one sense because of what

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I just mentioned. So there's all that pressure, and he

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went out there and he did the job, and he

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scored the knockout, clean, knockout, beautiful left hand. You know,

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what he says was he didn't even feel like it

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was the best shot, like it wouldn't. It didn't even

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land that hard. But you know, we got him right

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on the liver. Uh. And when he went down, he's like,

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I knew that he's not getting up, and he was right.

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landed a lot of body shots in the fight. Now

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according to the copy box statistics, now, body punches can

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be jabs or power shots, So in terms of power

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shots to the body that were non jabs, he had

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only landed in the completed rounds or maybe even at

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the beginning of the round where he scored the knocket

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in the in the up to that point, he'd only

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scored landed four knock four body shots, so.

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Speaker 1: It was no body shots the whole fight, correct.

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Speaker 2: So it wasn't like he was going for it, going

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for it, going for and he finally clipped him, you know,

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in in round six when he got the knockcout. He

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he finally landed, you know, a great shot on that

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one particular punch and so let's he just never realized

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it was coming or you know it. It just came

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out of nowhere and he went down.

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Speaker 1: On this point. Sergio Mora on the call, because I

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was seeing this on the call and have now heard

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it on the replay call. Right before the knockdown, the

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Latin Snake says, I look for him to go more

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to the body, I mean within seconds of and boom

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the left hand of the body and he gets the win.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And by the way he was down, it wasn't

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like he just like get him with the body shot

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and he could you know, he tried to get up

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and he couldn't earn this and it was he got

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up two seconds after the count was over. No, he

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got now with the shot. He went down. He was

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like he rolled over in the fetal position. He looked

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like he was in agony. He got to was you know,

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he rolled over on his back and then Ray Corona

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the ref is counting counted him out. And a lot

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of times, you know, guys jump right up, but no,

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so this was legit and not gut. He stayed down

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for another bit after then. That was a rough body.

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Speaker 1: Fighters. We've talked about this all the time. Fighters talk

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about that when that, when those things have happened to them,

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they're like, you can't breathe. Nothing works. As much as

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you are are saying, get up, get up. You can't.

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You can't get up, you can't, you can't function. He

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was trying. He rolled at one point to try to

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get up and uh and the one hit or quitter

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got him either.

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Speaker 2: All right, I'm not sure what there is to be

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critical to end.

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Speaker 1: Up well, you know, especially early in a fight. Some

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would go, and I've said this before too, can you

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not get up from that? But I've heard enough fighters

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talk about if it hits you right, No, no, I'm

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talking about you can't.

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Speaker 2: I'm talking about being critical of Pacheco. To me, there's

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well now there's saying split hairs like his trainer. I'm

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sure we'll see certain things, you know, hose they had

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been a Viata senior when he looks at the video,

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and they'll see certain things in a couple of the

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rounds that were kind of close, or maybe that you thought,

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maybe Celestie got the job done, but somebody you got

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to give credit to the opponent too. So Leskie's no bum.

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He's a real guy. And uh, you can say what

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you want that he's a little older, he was a

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little heavier than he's been whatever. You know what all

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I know is the guy's been a very good fighter

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for a very long time. And even when he's lost,

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he's never been done like that before. And the checko

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with that pressure that I mentioned, took care of the job.

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He maintained his record twenty two to oh eighteen knockouts.

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He's a bona fide contender. He's a problem for anybody

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in the super win aweight division of my opinion. You know,

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they're talking about all kinds of names afterwards. Now, look,

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he's because he's number one in the WBO. At some

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point they're gonna make them. They're gonna order the mandatory.

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Now that's not coming immediately, and obviously Canelo's got to

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deal with Berlanga in a couple of weeks. And you know,

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the winner of that fight is going to probably have

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him as a mandatory, but that fighter will also have

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other titles as well that they'll be mandatory spor But

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the point is this, he's not gonna Pachecko sit around

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and wait. Eddie Hern was talking about, He's probably gonna

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have at least two more fights before they get a

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world title fight, whether it's against Canelo, Berlanga or somebody

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else if the title changes hands or becomes vacant or

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what have you. And they're talking about men, Billy, they're

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talking about Mangia, maybe baziniing if he beats Mangia. I mean,

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they're they're willing to do any kind of those fights.

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And let me tell you right now, like my mind

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blows up when I think about the prospect of seeing

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Pachecko against Mongia. I mean, that is a dynamite fight

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if they can make it. That's what they were really

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talking up. Now. You know, obviously Monkey is gonna have

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a lot to say about that too, for sure, But

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as a fan man, that's a hell of a fight

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if they can make it.

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Speaker 1: All right, And so now he waits, we will probably realistically,

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this is us playing me playing amateur matchmaker. He will

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probably be back in the ring, you would think by

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the end of this year or first or the next year,

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to keep him active and keep his name out there

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because he's young and obviously got the ko and he'll

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probably headline again coming out and looks against we don't know.

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Speaker 2: He's had two fights this year. Okay, he fought in

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April against Mcalman. That was a distance fight where he

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won and didn't get the knockout, you know, after a

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long streak of knockouts. Now he comes back in this

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fight on Saturday and scores a rousing knockout against a

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Leski in a pretty good fight even besides the knockout.

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And so yeah, there's no reason for our twenty three

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year old kid, who's not injured, who's only fought twice

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this year, to sit around and do nothing for the

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next several months. So I would suspect that come I

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would I would probably hazard to say, like December, like

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one of the final shows of the year for de

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Zone and for Mattrim that he'll be on one of

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those cards. Uh, And I think that's good. I mean,

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he would be fighting four times this year. But that's

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not gonna happen. So let's get in three and move

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on and uh and set up some bigger stuff in

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two thousand and twenty five. Because this kid is a

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really good fighter. He's got a very good demeanor. He's

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very patient in the ring. I mean, there's really nothing

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I don't like about him. His defense is solid. Is

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you know, he's not the fastest guy in the world,

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but he's not slow. He obviously has good punching power.

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six foot four for super middleweight divisions is good size,

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you know. And as I observed after the fight, I

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fight article. You know what's better than the be Diego?

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But check it right now. You know, he just made

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a decent purse. He's in the ring, he's got those

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regional titles, he's holding his baby daughter. Everything's good at home.

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He just won. The fight, comes through against his best opponent,

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no injuries, and this guy is the limit for this kid.

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That's why I picked him as the twenty twenty three

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Prospect of the Year. Now I don't think we can

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call him the prospect anymore. I think if you're going

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to discuss Diego Pacheco, you have to refer to him

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as a contender in the I agree with you.

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Speaker 1: Good to be him, all right. Immediately before that, Eduardo

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Nunez victorious Sugar Nunez in his one and thirty pound

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bout with Miguel Mariaga, the veteran and scores a TKO.

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Thoughts on this and what it means for Nunaz going forward, please.

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Speaker 2: Well, let me just say, Eduardo Sugar Nuniaz is a

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bad boy. Back in the day, let's go back. You

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know when the HBO boxing franchise was in its heyday,

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two thousands, the late nineties, whatever, Sugar Nuniaz would have

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been like a stalwart unboxing after dark. They would have

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brought him along. He's exciting, he fights in a good

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weight class. He's very powerful, he's got some swagger in

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the ring. It seems to me this guy is a

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pure puncher. He is now twenty eight and one with

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twenty eight knockouts. I mean, you can't really say much

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more than that aspect of it. And if you go

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back and look at when he lost a fight, he

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got to go all the way back to twenty eighteen

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fighting in a sixth rounder when he was still a

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young prospect, and he lost a very close sixth round decision.

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So not exactly the kind of thing that you're going

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to give up on a guy over. I give him

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credit because before this fight, in this fight, by the way,

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where he scored the knockout against Miguel Mariagat, this was

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his first ever fight in the United States, but in

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his previous fight back earlier this year, he had traveled

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to d Jikistan and he had scored his biggest victory

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where he knocked out shave At Rakamov, who was a

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former titlelder, in a good fight in the eleventh round.

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That put him in the mandatory position for the IBF title.

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So we're sitting there mandatory for the belt that was

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at that time Cordina, and then he lost in the

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upset to Kasachi, and so now he's the mandatory challenge

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for the winner of Kasachi's upcoming fight when he's fighting

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against was a Josh Warrington that's going to take place

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on one of the upcoming Riad Seasons cards, So he is,

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you know, he risked that stature. According to the to

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Eddie Hearn, they did a little step aside bill to

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allow that fight to go through. So he's supposed to

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get the title fight against the winner of that fight

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by the end of this year, and that will be

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a very interesting fight, particularly if it's you know, I

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don't know if that would take place in Saudi Arabia,

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they would do it some you know, somewhere else. But

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the bottom line is that's going to be an interesting,

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an interesting fight to see him get that opportunity, because

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let me tell you, he is, Like I don't you know,

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whether it's Kasachi or it's you know, Warrington or whoever,

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that that's a dangerous fight for whoever that winner is,

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because let me tell you he is it's a devastating puncher.

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I mean, what's there not like about him anything?

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Speaker 1: If you say so, and you have been watching up

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and coming fighters for the better part of twenty plus years,

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pay attention, kids, Ray feels high on Sugar Nunez.

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Speaker 2: It's not even like it's just a matter of you

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can just tell like that he's just.

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Speaker 1: Got like that got the goods, he's got the got.

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Speaker 2: The engine, you know. And by the way, that that

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Casati fight where he fights against Warton, that's actually I

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was thinking it was the Beevil Better Be Up undercard.

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It's actually the September twenty first undercard. So it's in

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the coming weeks, uh on September twenty one when on

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the Joshua the washup. So we're gonna know, uh, you know,

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as long as the winner of that fight is uninjured

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and there's no issues that come the end of the year,

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probably that that that winner against against Sugar Nunyas is

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going to be you know, in that world title fight.

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But in terms of the performance itself that he had

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in this particular about Mariaga, tough dude, I mean, veteran,

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I mean nobody. I don't really think anybody anybody that

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was really knew the business or knew the sport or

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knew these guys expected that Mary was going to win

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the fight. But the fact that he put up you

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know that they I think the expectation was he'd put

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up a good effort for a period of time. But

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you know, given his ai and the wear and tear

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and that sort of thing, you know, eventually you know

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he's gonna not gonna make it. But he didn't just

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lose the fight. He got absolutely dominated. He got dropped

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two times, one on a beautiful right hand that just

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I thought he almost was knocked out on that shot,

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and then finally again later in the fight, and then

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after that knockdown in the sixth round, they stopped it

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in the corner appropriately so. But remember even though Mariago

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now has seven defeats in his career, he's only got

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two stoppage losses, once in this fight against Nunyez. And

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you got to go back to what twenty eighteen when

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he lost in a world title fight, when he retired

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on the stool in that fight as well, against you know,

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being totally dominated by literally the prime facility Lomachenko. I

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mean that that's you can't really argue with that loss.

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So he may have lost other guys, but never been

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stopped like this. And even Lomachenka then beat him up

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like that, didn't didn't knock him down the way he

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got knocked down. So you know, this was a good

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if you're a matchroom boxing guy. This is a good

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night for their two guys. I mean, they were in

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with veteran guys who have some accomplishment, who gave great efforts,

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who maybe won a couple of rounds or or had

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a few moments if you don't necessarily thing Marigo won rounds.

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But they performed, they made it exciting, and they scored

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their wins, and they moving on to big things. But

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check goes number one in the WBO title shot you

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know sometime in the near future. Uh, and UNA's you know,

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and title shot in his next fight. I mean, so

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it was a it was a really good medding.

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Speaker 1: But check and check for both of those guys to

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do what they were.

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Speaker 2: Supposed to SOUNA. I'm very I'm interested in because he's exciting, right,

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He's he's a puncher. I love punchers, and he's a

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puncher that seems to also have an idea of how

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to box too. But that right hand, that right hand

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is something spectacular.

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Speaker 1: Like it all all right, So we're in an interesting

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time frame here, uh, kind of like Bill and ted

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z excellent adventure to go back in the eighties, But

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we're not going back in time in a phone booth

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right feeling me that love that the entry I love,

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I love all about it. Strange things are a foot

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at the circle, k uh.

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Speaker 2: So something something is a miss at the circle day.

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Speaker 1: Excuse me, man, but you know when the Mongrels ruled China. No,

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I just work here. It's the parking lot attendant for

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the okay, So in any event.

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Speaker 2: In the Iron Maiden, Iron Maiden.

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Speaker 1: Excellent, stop it. The clock in San Dimas is always ticking,

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and it's ticking right now because usually we're in the

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recap mode. But we've got a preview of the Naoia

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in a way the Monster undisputed one hundred and twenty

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two pound title defense, because that fight is not until

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Tuesday morning, US time, off the holiday off of Labor Day.

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A great many of you are probably hearing us on

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Labor Day. This fight is Tuesday morning, US time. So

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you and I have already sparred verbally and prediction wise

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on the bet Us Boxing Show about this fight, because

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that was our duty on Friday. We have not talked

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about it on this podcast. So for the pod audience,

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let's get into this defense. TJ. Dohaney is the opponent

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from Ireland by way of Australia. You're keeping me straight

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on the geography trains out of us earlier. But he's Irish,

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all right. The Monster is supposed to win, defend the belt,

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supposed to win by knockout. I'm gonna go out it

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the same way as we did previously for the audience here.

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If Dohan he's gonna hang in and make this interesting,

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give me a couple of elements that we're looking for.

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Or is this the monster coming right after him in

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Tokyo here on Tuesday for another ko win? What do

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you think? Real quick?

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Speaker 2: I think that he might have to rely on prayer

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if he's a god fearing man. I mean, listen, I

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all due respect to TJ. Dohane. He's been a good

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fighter for a very long time. He was a world champion.

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He's got a solid record. He's twenty six and four.

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Most notably in those four defeats, he has never been stopped.

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He's always given a good effort. He is, though thirty

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seven years old. Maybe maybe the fact that he's a

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southpaw could be some advantage to him. I doubt it.

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This is this is I mean, in a way is

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fought a ton of champions a ton of times in

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his divisions that he's fought in. You don't become undisputed

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in two different way classes if you're not fighting the

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best guys, because to put all the titles together, you

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got to fight the other champions, who by definition are

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usually the best guys in that division. And he's on

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one level and Dohaney is on a much lower not

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a much lower level, but certainly a lower level. And

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so by if you take a look at the kind

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of resume that in a way has fashioned in recent years,

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this is his gimme fight. Not every single fight is

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going to be I'm fighting King Kong, or I'm fighting

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the number one contender or in fighting another champion. You know,

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guys are in this to make their legacy and their money,

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and guys also are going to every now and again

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take a softer touch. That's just the reality. I'm gonna

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have a problem with that, because if you take a

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look at the gauntlet that in a way has ran

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through over the last several fights, this isn't even that

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big of a step down, but it is. It is

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a showcase fight. This is not a fight that anybody

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has expectation to be competitive. Now that's where upsets happen.

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Nobody expected Buster Douglas to be competitive against Mike and

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we're part of the greatest upset in boxing. So there's

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always that element. But here's the reality. He's won four

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fights in a row. He lost the fight in two thousand.

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Take that back, He's won three fights in a row.

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He lost a fight by decision against ironically in one sense,

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Sam Goodman from Australia back in March of twenty twenty three.

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Goodman is the IBF's mandatory challenger and is supposed to

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be in line for a mandatory against in a way

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as is the WBA mandatory which is mj Acmandaliev who

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basically they let in a a run rough shot over

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that one which was already due to take this fight

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with Dohaney, So they know what they're doing. You know

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this this again. If he wins the fight Dohaney, I

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would consider this the upset of the year.

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Speaker 1: Monumental many reasons, monumental for all the circumstances. Monumental upset.

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So the same question I asked you on Friday, I

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put to you here, does he have a big enough

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punch to make this interesting? That's the real rub here,

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because if he doesn't, then it's probably a matter of

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time right before in Away gets him.

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Speaker 2: So Dohane's got twenty knockouts in twenty six fights, which

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are like, oh, that's a pretty good knockout record obviously

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in terms of your wins. But if you take a

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look at the guys he's knocking out, they're not the

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big names or the best names. Let's that he's fought.

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So when he's fought the better names. Sam Goodman lost

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the decision, Michael Kahman lost the decision. You know, an

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a level journeyman if you will. In in Innoette Balluta

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lost the decision. Danny Romont in their world title fight,

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lost a close decision. So he's not in The guys

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he's that are good that he's beating are not the

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top names either, So he's getting the knockouts against the

471
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lesser guys. So I'm not a big believer in that

472
00:21:37,039 --> 00:21:40,960
Doeny has some miracle punch in a way. However, we

473
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know you gotta be unless you're you know, don't have

474
00:21:43,799 --> 00:21:45,880
vision to know that this is a guy who's a

475
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devastating puncher. He's twenty seven to Oho twenty four knockouts.

476
00:21:49,319 --> 00:21:51,400
He can hit that ahead. He's probably the best body

477
00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:53,240
puncher in box and he can fire with both hands.

478
00:21:54,559 --> 00:21:57,000
You know he is as I said this when we've

479
00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,480
talked about his previous fights. When you watch in a

480
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way fight these days, and I mean, we don't know

481
00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:04,680
when it's going to end, but understand what you're looking at.

482
00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,279
You are literally in the prime of one of the

483
00:22:07,319 --> 00:22:10,359
all time greats doing his thing at the highest level

484
00:22:10,759 --> 00:22:14,880
against the best guys in his division, winning undisputed, becoming undisputed,

485
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:18,559
defending titles, drawing big crowds. I mean, it doesn't last forever,

486
00:22:18,799 --> 00:22:21,160
but we're in it right now. This is this is

487
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,079
as good as it gets for Noya in a way,

488
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when you're running through the guys.

489
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Speaker 1: How many other fighters have won twenty two championship fights

490
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in a row in the modern era of boxing, and Canelo,

491
00:22:29,759 --> 00:22:32,160
by the way, lost recently in the last couple of

492
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,720
years to be bols So it's not him who else

493
00:22:34,759 --> 00:22:37,359
has got And I know there's you know, unbeaten Usick,

494
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but Usik hasn't won twenty two world title fights.

495
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Speaker 2: This guy's doesn't have twenty two fights as a prom so.

496
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Speaker 1: He's got twenty two world title fights in and when

497
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and we can't, you know, look at the At the

498
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:51,559
risk of over hyping it, he is. He's an amazing,

499
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,599
exciting fighter who's been unbeatable for like five six years

500
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at the championship level.

501
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Speaker 2: In a way, Usik has twenty two professional fights, but

502
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:02,920
he also turned professional much later than in a way,

503
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:04,599
he was limp the gold medal of state amateur ever

504
00:23:04,599 --> 00:23:06,279
a long time. I'm not trying to compare them. The

505
00:23:06,279 --> 00:23:09,559
only comparison is if you're discussing your pound for pound lists,

506
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and I'll say this once again, in my mind, there's

507
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only three candidates that you can even contemplate as being

508
00:23:17,079 --> 00:23:19,279
number one. You take, you make your choice. I can't

509
00:23:19,319 --> 00:23:21,319
argue anyway. If you want to tell me you picked

510
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:23,400
in a way, I'm okay with that. You tell me

511
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,720
it's Alexander Usik, Fine, you tell me it's Terrence Crawford. Fine.

512
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But besides those three, there's nobody else. Even in the

513
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conversation in a way is.

514
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Speaker 1: This Canello fans would fight you. The Canelo fans, I'm

515
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:35,279
just saying them they would fight you and say he

516
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should be in the conversation.

517
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Speaker 2: I mean, I have nothing but love for Canel and

518
00:23:38,599 --> 00:23:41,079
everybody knows that. So I have mad respect for Canelo obbers,

519
00:23:41,079 --> 00:23:43,119
but at this moment in time, pound for pound is

520
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a snapshot in time. He's not number one pound for

521
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:47,720
pound right now. You know, if you're pound for pound

522
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number one, you know, even though he's winning his fights,

523
00:23:51,039 --> 00:23:53,759
like when he beat Charlotte was one sided. You know,

524
00:23:53,799 --> 00:23:55,519
he beat Mangi a pretty one sided, but he hasn't

525
00:23:55,519 --> 00:23:57,839
had a knockout in a while after a ton of knockouts.

526
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And again it's not even a knockout what Canelo been doing,

527
00:24:00,839 --> 00:24:03,279
but you can see certain elements of him slowing down

528
00:24:03,519 --> 00:24:05,759
and frankly, in those other fighters, you just don't see it.

529
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,480
I mean, husick is the living, breathing definition of doing

530
00:24:08,559 --> 00:24:09,599
it because of the way he's doing it in the

531
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different weight classes and in a way in many respects

532
00:24:11,839 --> 00:24:13,799
of the same way, and same with Crawford, because of

533
00:24:13,799 --> 00:24:15,680
what he's been doing, even if he didn't look spectacular

534
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:16,519
against magimonk.

535
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Speaker 1: So run through it. This is this is Tuesday morning

536
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,400
in the US, and run through what they're doing here

537
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,039
for Tuesday night in Tokyo when everybody's coming off, they're

538
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:28,359
stupor off the long weekend. Just pay attention. This is

539
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:29,319
happening Tuesday morning.

540
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Speaker 2: Go ahead, Yes, that's your alarm, that's the ES in

541
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:35,039
the United States, it's ESPN Plus. The broadcat or the

542
00:24:35,079 --> 00:24:38,440
stream starts at five forty five Eastern time, so wake

543
00:24:38,519 --> 00:24:40,240
up early on the East. It starts, you know, that's

544
00:24:40,279 --> 00:24:44,359
three hours earlier two forty five in the Pacific time zone,

545
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,599
so that might mean you stay up late. But the

546
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,119
thing about is when they originally announced the car Top Rank,

547
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:50,839
who are bringing this in for ESPN Plus there of

548
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:54,519
course the co promoters of In a way, there's a

549
00:24:54,519 --> 00:24:56,519
bunch of other fights on the car. They originally announced

550
00:24:56,559 --> 00:24:59,759
a much longer show for reasons I'm not clear about.

551
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,039
I actually asked, but have not received any kind of

552
00:25:02,039 --> 00:25:05,200
a definitive answer. This now will only be a two

553
00:25:05,319 --> 00:25:07,920
fight stream. They'll stream the in a Way fight in

554
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:09,880
the main event, but the opening fight on that stream

555
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,279
will be the other world title fight, which is the

556
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,880
WBO flyweight title match team Yoshiki tayk who won the

557
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,839
title over the title from Jason Maloney back in May.

558
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:22,920
And this is a young Japanese fighters eight nine and

559
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,680
zero with eight knockouts who look very impressive. He is

560
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,039
twenty eight years old. He's a little bit older in

561
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,680
terms of being a flyweight and only having single digit fights,

562
00:25:29,799 --> 00:25:31,640
but he was very impressive in that victory. He's taken

563
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,680
on a former title holder named Daego Higa, another Japanese

564
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,960
fighter that's got a good record twenty one two and one.

565
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:39,960
So that will be the co feature of that flyweight title,

566
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,519
or rather for them, I'm sorry for the bantamweight WBO title,

567
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:44,880
and then they'll move on to the main event. So

568
00:25:45,759 --> 00:25:47,200
if you're gonna get up early, you're not going to

569
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:48,680
be up that long because it's only two fights. A

570
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:50,440
lot of these Japanese cards in the top rank brings

571
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,680
in they show you know, three four, five fights. Sometimes

572
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,279
I'm only disappointed that at least in America, and maybe

573
00:25:56,319 --> 00:25:58,920
I can find it later on on the old YouTube.

574
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,480
But I need my Ishmael old Man Barroso. He's on

575
00:26:02,559 --> 00:26:05,559
this car too, in a in a junior welterweight fighting

576
00:26:05,559 --> 00:26:08,039
against the Chimneys undefeated fighter Andy Herioka.

577
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,279
Speaker 1: You can get your fix, you can get your Barroso

578
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:14,599
fix coming up. And again let's just one more time

579
00:26:14,839 --> 00:26:17,240
point out here and plus with the ESPN streaming. If

580
00:26:17,279 --> 00:26:19,559
you stay away from social media and the Internet and

581
00:26:19,599 --> 00:26:21,599
et cetera, you can wake up a little later and

582
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,440
just stort up the stream and scan ahead and find

583
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,160
it wherever. Because again we're in the Eastern time zone.

584
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:28,599
I realize for a lot of people that are in

585
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the Central time zone and the Mountain time zone, this

586
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,119
is way early on a workday off a holiday weekend

587
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,279
to find this. But this guy's worth it. That's the

588
00:26:36,319 --> 00:26:38,160
whole that's the whole point. You're just giving him the

589
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:42,480
time breakfast, you know, like we say, cornflakes, raisin bran, whatever,

590
00:26:42,519 --> 00:26:45,039
and some Japanese boxing on Tuesday morning.

591
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 2: And let's see, I was a little more excited about

592
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,680
the opponent. I mean, I love in a way. So

593
00:26:49,759 --> 00:26:51,440
when he was fighting like Neary, who I knew was

594
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,279
a good, interesting fighter, you know, in an undisputed fight

595
00:26:54,319 --> 00:26:57,359
against the Polos for example, or even the unification against

596
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:58,000
even Fulton.

597
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,799
Speaker 1: Now you're like, well, we don't have to go five minutes,

598
00:27:00,839 --> 00:27:02,680
but we can go down the list of Mike Tyson

599
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,720
didn't fight a challenging opponent every time, but you still

600
00:27:05,759 --> 00:27:07,279
wanted to tune in to see if Tyson was going

601
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:11,720
to destroy whoever it was, but it was attive. That's true.

602
00:27:11,759 --> 00:27:13,759
That's a good point. We weren't getting up at five o'clock.

603
00:27:13,839 --> 00:27:15,599
Speaker 2: Now, I'm a guy, listen, my the way that I

604
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,519
handle my business is I'm a night owl. But I

605
00:27:19,559 --> 00:27:21,319
don't get it. I don't like getting up early. My

606
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,240
wife is the opposite. She'll go to bed at like,

607
00:27:23,759 --> 00:27:26,240
you know, nine o'clock, and she's up at five thirty.

608
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:26,759
Speaker 1: I mean exactly.

609
00:27:26,759 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 2: It's sort of a weird thing, right. So for me,

610
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,720
the thought of getting up unless I've got a flight

611
00:27:32,759 --> 00:27:34,799
to catch, like when I go to Vegas for the

612
00:27:34,839 --> 00:27:37,039
Kennila fight coming up in a couple of weeks. I'm

613
00:27:37,039 --> 00:27:38,880
not big into waken up really, but for in a way,

614
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,799
I make the exception. I'll set the alarm. I'll get

615
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:42,680
up around six three.

616
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 1: We always see it at some point Tuesday morning, Tuesday night,

617
00:27:45,759 --> 00:27:48,680
Tokyo time. And again we'll have more later in the week.

618
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:50,559
We'll have our thoughts on it. But we've given you

619
00:27:50,599 --> 00:27:52,440
plenty of it here and plenty on the bet Us show.

620
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,640
Go check it out on their platforms. We handicap that

621
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,119
fight as well. There's a video out there right now.

622
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If you and I talking in a Way and Dohaney

623
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,960
from bet Us some news and some nostalgia. All right,

624
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,240
we've gone on and on about the situation with Jern Ennis,

625
00:28:06,279 --> 00:28:09,359
Brian Norman, the fight not happening, and so now give

626
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,039
us the further update that you were sharing on Friday

627
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,839
on the on the bet Us TV show with the

628
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,880
opponent that Norman is gonna fight and what's the timeline

629
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,319
for that is he will make his first defense of

630
00:28:22,319 --> 00:28:25,319
the it's the WBO right that he has at one

631
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,480
forty seven. So tell me more about Brian Norman and

632
00:28:27,519 --> 00:28:28,480
what you've learned and when.

633
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,519
Speaker 2: Well, we know first and foremost that the fight between

634
00:28:31,599 --> 00:28:34,200
him that was being discussed in a unification against John

635
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,599
Ennis is not happening. Ennis is being now ordered to

636
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:41,759
do the chakaziin rematch. Eddie Hearn has discussed in a

637
00:28:41,839 --> 00:28:45,680
video he did with Mattroom Boxing's YouTube channel his own company,

638
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,960
making comments that you know they may consider vacating the title.

639
00:28:49,519 --> 00:28:51,079
I believe that when I see it, I believe that

640
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,079
jn Ennis is still a fighter that needs a belt.

641
00:28:53,119 --> 00:28:55,039
But I wouldn't be upset if you had vacated and

642
00:28:55,279 --> 00:28:57,559
either fought another name guy. He can find out. Walter D.

643
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,960
Or frankly moved up and challenge himself in the junior

644
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,400
middleweight division. But the bottom line is, while he goes

645
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:07,559
off and does that business, presumably on November ninth in Philadelphia,

646
00:29:07,599 --> 00:29:10,079
which was the plan, you're now going to see Brian

647
00:29:10,079 --> 00:29:12,480
Norman not fighting You're on NS on November ninth, But

648
00:29:12,519 --> 00:29:16,279
instead he will fight on November eighth in Norfolk, Virginia

649
00:29:16,279 --> 00:29:21,160
on ESPN, on the undercard of Kishan Davis's homecoming fight

650
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,519
against Gustava Wemos. I've seen a lot of social media

651
00:29:24,599 --> 00:29:27,119
discussion about, oh my god, he's a world champion, He's

652
00:29:27,119 --> 00:29:30,400
fighting on some prospects under card. Well, duh, A, it's

653
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,160
a late add to the card relatively speaking, which hasn't

654
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,720
even been officially announced yet. And b you're not going

655
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,960
to put the world title fight on when the whole

656
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:39,920
point of the show from top ranks perspective is to

657
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,599
go bring Keishaan Davis to his hometown for the first

658
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,559
time as a professional in his first professional main event.

659
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:48,559
So that's the reason for that. The people that are

660
00:29:48,559 --> 00:29:48,880
going to.

661
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 1: They swat these people because how many of them even

662
00:29:53,039 --> 00:29:58,799
knew who Brian Norman was before he upset who was

663
00:29:58,839 --> 00:30:02,160
a Santia in that fight, and I gotta confess I

664
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,000
didn't really know about him, so to think, oh, well,

665
00:30:05,039 --> 00:30:08,599
he should be the headliner in Keishawn's hometown on Keishawn's

666
00:30:08,599 --> 00:30:11,000
big fight card instead of him because it's got WBO

667
00:30:11,119 --> 00:30:12,519
title next to it. Please.

668
00:30:13,599 --> 00:30:16,079
Speaker 2: The other thing about it is this, I mean, Brian

669
00:30:16,119 --> 00:30:18,559
Norman is a good young fighter. He's only like twenty

670
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,359
three years old. I think he's got a lot of

671
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:22,920
years left in front of him. It seems to me.

672
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,880
The reality is he is an unknown fighter. Now. It's

673
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,000
about trying to build him up. Now. I see people

674
00:30:28,039 --> 00:30:30,680
who are trying to like be his be his accountant

675
00:30:30,799 --> 00:30:32,920
and make their comments about what he turned down, and

676
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:34,920
He'll never do this. I'll never do that. You know,

677
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,000
everything every decision you make is a manager and or

678
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,160
a promoter and fighter when it comes to the business

679
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:41,799
side of things, is a gamble if you decide to

680
00:30:41,799 --> 00:30:43,960
do one thing over the other. So, yes, he's going

681
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,599
to defend the title. And by the way, the thing

682
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,640
I reported was his opponent will be Derek Wavis, who

683
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:51,680
is a Puerto Rican fighter who is twenty nine years old,

684
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who if you watch the All Star Boxing cards, the

685
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,319
promoter Tuto Zabala, who has a close relationship with Top

686
00:30:58,359 --> 00:31:01,240
Rank though cards he's been doing, such as the one

687
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:05,119
that was recently in Nicaragua that had a Roman Gonzalez

688
00:31:05,119 --> 00:31:08,319
in the main event. He's done other shows from Central America.

689
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,680
They have been on ESPN Plus through that relationship. Quavis

690
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,400
is a guy who's won several fights on those cards

691
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,680
over the last a couple of years. So he's twenty

692
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,519
seven to one and one with nineteen knotcats in my opinion,

693
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,559
as a first defense, if you forget about the prospect

694
00:31:23,599 --> 00:31:25,680
that there was a Geron Ennis fight on the table,

695
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,000
this is not a bad first defense. It's not like

696
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,160
he's fighting a bump wave. This is pretty solid. He's

697
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:31,920
been in the ring with some okay guys and he's

698
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:33,839
got a great record, and he's not an old man

699
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,279
or anything like that. And you know what he's gonna

700
00:31:36,279 --> 00:31:38,640
make Brian Norman in this fight, he'll still make the

701
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,359
most money he's ever made. It won't be what he

702
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,039
was gonna make for the Nis fight, but the Nis fight.

703
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,039
The number that they were talking about based on what

704
00:31:45,119 --> 00:31:47,519
Eddie Hearn was saying and what the top rank in

705
00:31:48,319 --> 00:31:52,000
Norman's management they were looking probably what the the last

706
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,279
offer for match and was a package that was probably

707
00:31:54,559 --> 00:31:58,039
in the neighborhood of a million seven point fifty. Now

708
00:31:58,559 --> 00:32:01,039
that sounds like a really good number. It's life changing money,

709
00:32:01,039 --> 00:32:03,119
even at what he would take out of that. But

710
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,599
remember there's lots of things that get deducted, so it's

711
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,640
a great number, but there's taxes top ranks get. It's

712
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,839
twenty percent, and by the way, they deserve every penny

713
00:32:10,839 --> 00:32:13,279
of it because they've already put like twenty fights into

714
00:32:13,319 --> 00:32:16,200
Brian Norman and spend a lot of money. His management's

715
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,160
going to get their cut, the sanctioning body is going

716
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:19,640
to get their cut, et cetera. So the point is,

717
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,880
when it's all said and done, yeah, Brian Norman's still

718
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:25,160
going to make a nice high six figure payday, but

719
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,359
at what costs. Because he is the underdog, there's a

720
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,799
probability he will lose the fight. He's got to go

721
00:32:30,839 --> 00:32:33,000
fight in the other team's platform, he's got to go

722
00:32:33,039 --> 00:32:35,160
fight in the other guy's hometown. And at the end

723
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,519
of the day, at his age and with the bright

724
00:32:37,599 --> 00:32:39,759
future in front of him, you know, they can take

725
00:32:39,799 --> 00:32:42,000
the longer view. If he was thirty nine years old,

726
00:32:42,359 --> 00:32:44,599
and this was on the table. You know what, go

727
00:32:44,599 --> 00:32:45,799
go grab what you can grab.

728
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 1: And we said this before. If he wins in November

729
00:32:49,319 --> 00:32:50,960
and Boots is won and wants to stay at one

730
00:32:51,039 --> 00:32:53,119
forty seven, there's nothing that says they can't fight each

731
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,599
other early next year, you know, spring next year, whatever,

732
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,519
and have a unification fight. Maybe he doesn't make as

733
00:32:58,599 --> 00:33:00,920
much in that fight. Maybe he may as much in

734
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:02,200
that fight as what was offered.

735
00:33:02,279 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 2: So I teach you, I will see it like this.

736
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,079
This is one of those scenarios where in terms of

737
00:33:06,119 --> 00:33:08,039
the amount of money that was on the table and

738
00:33:08,079 --> 00:33:10,160
the offer that was there, and then what the alternatives

739
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,400
could be. I actually see this from both sides. I

740
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:17,559
totally get the frustration on the side of Matron, who

741
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,400
I believe that number is a fair offer. It may

742
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,720
not be perfect, maybe it could be a little bit bigger,

743
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:24,920
but it was not like they were insulting him. It's

744
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:25,920
not like they said, here's five.

745
00:33:26,119 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 1: Well, here's cut to the chase on this. What did

746
00:33:29,279 --> 00:33:31,799
he get for the Santion fight, which is a fraction

747
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:33,359
of what he was being offered, And what is he

748
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,480
getting with for this fight, which is probably again a

749
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,960
you know, a quarter a fifth maybe of what the

750
00:33:40,079 --> 00:33:42,200
NS offer was to have this fight on the under

751
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,400
part of the Kishon Davis fight. So I understand that,

752
00:33:44,839 --> 00:33:47,559
but they're looking at it with what you said. He's

753
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,440
twenty three, he's got a good chance to beat this

754
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:54,119
guy Quavs and now have the same kind of offer,

755
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,119
the same kind of leverage in a unification fight. I

756
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,799
get it, it's business. I get why they did it,

757
00:33:59,839 --> 00:34:06,200
but there's there's no doubt that that Norman was a

758
00:34:06,359 --> 00:34:11,000
virtual unknown and now take that word virtual out. He was,

759
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,000
and now he's got a piece of the puzzle at

760
00:34:15,039 --> 00:34:17,960
one seven. And why not take a fight where you

761
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,679
make some decent money and then still see what your

762
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:22,639
options are. That's what'spentally gonna happen.

763
00:34:23,199 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 2: Listen. And so from like I said, I understand the

764
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,440
matchrooms side where they're frustrated because I don't even think

765
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,480
it's about Norman. They're just pissed off into the IBF

766
00:34:30,519 --> 00:34:33,840
because they've jammed Charon Karen Chikazian down their throat, which

767
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,440
is absurd. I kind I get it from the point

768
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,119
of view of the Norman camp, where if you want

769
00:34:38,119 --> 00:34:40,599
to really overpay us and then really make it it's

770
00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:42,920
worth our while, then do it. And I mean, look,

771
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,760
I'll give you the quote from Carl Moretti. Carl Maretty

772
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,000
is the vice president of boxing, you know, for Top Rank.

773
00:34:49,079 --> 00:34:52,199
They're the promoters of Brian Norman, and they acknowledged that

774
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,719
they had gotten this offer. His comment to me about

775
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:56,760
whether they were going to take the offer over as

776
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,559
fares that in terms of matrim they've made millions and

777
00:34:59,599 --> 00:35:03,440
millions in Saudi Arabia, we were five hundred thousand dollars apart.

778
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,440
If you really want to invest in Boots, like you say,

779
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,119
because he's the second coming of sugar A. Robinson that

780
00:35:09,159 --> 00:35:12,199
was said with sarcasm, right, and you want Norman's title

781
00:35:12,199 --> 00:35:15,800
and unification and us to fight him in Philly. Add

782
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:17,480
a little bit to that bucket load of money. That

783
00:35:17,559 --> 00:35:19,280
was what Eddie Hearn's term was when he said, how

784
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,239
much they offered him, and we'll be on the first

785
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,840
plane there show him some real brotherly love meaning for

786
00:35:25,159 --> 00:35:27,119
so you know they're being a little sarcastic with that.

787
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,119
I get it, and you know, Carl, I totally get

788
00:35:29,159 --> 00:35:31,920
where he's coming from. So I look at it like this,

789
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:33,719
This is one of those deals where it kind of

790
00:35:34,159 --> 00:35:36,360
I get it from both sides. You know, Mattroom, they

791
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,119
had a certain amount they were willing to put up.

792
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,239
I feel like it was a good faith offer when

793
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,960
they raised the price a couple of different times. And

794
00:35:43,039 --> 00:35:44,840
I also feel like from the standpoint if you're the

795
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,519
Brian Norman camp, that it probably just wasn't enough to

796
00:35:47,559 --> 00:35:50,199
make it worth your while. No harm, no foul, let them.

797
00:35:50,079 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 1: Go, and all we all can relate in negotiating for

798
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:57,719
a car, for a house, for a raise, for a job, whatever.

799
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,920
You have to make decisions in real time, and usually

800
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,159
what does it come down to, is this your final offer.

801
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,920
If that's your final offer, then I will now decide

802
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:11,000
whether to take the final offer or not anything, buying

803
00:36:11,039 --> 00:36:13,719
the house, buying the car, whatever. You got to make

804
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,679
that decision. Okay, we get that. A couple more news items,

805
00:36:16,679 --> 00:36:18,800
then we get to nostalgia that involves Triple G and

806
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:23,800
Eric Morales standby speaking of vacating of titles. Terrence Crawford

807
00:36:24,079 --> 00:36:28,360
has officially done that with his WBA welterweight title, and

808
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,599
also David Morrell says I'm not coming back to super

809
00:36:31,599 --> 00:36:35,119
middleweight and he's vacated. For whatever it's worth. The regular title.

810
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,239
None of either one of those things are a surprise.

811
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,440
They just both have officially happened. Give me a little

812
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:40,679
more on that real quick and we'll move.

813
00:36:40,519 --> 00:36:44,039
Speaker 2: On, right. I mean, so Crawford, what's notable in terms

814
00:36:44,079 --> 00:36:46,079
of what happened with Terrence Crawford is that he had

815
00:36:46,119 --> 00:36:49,920
become the undisputed champion last July when he defeated Eryl Spence.

816
00:36:50,679 --> 00:36:52,360
And it just shows you that in the span of

817
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:56,239
literally one year from what was that mid July when

818
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,360
he fought him, now here we are in late August,

819
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:02,239
so what thirteen months or so that from you know,

820
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:06,559
the the element of a finally having an undisputed champion

821
00:37:06,599 --> 00:37:09,440
in this glorious weight class that has so many big names,

822
00:37:09,519 --> 00:37:12,719
or had so many big names at that time, It's

823
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,440
like what usually happens. We spend so much time, Let's

824
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,000
get to the big fight, Let's get the big fight,

825
00:37:17,079 --> 00:37:19,880
let's get to the ultimate unification. We got there, and

826
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,199
then very quickly it dissipates because now suddenly all four

827
00:37:23,199 --> 00:37:26,639
of the titles are fractural. He vacates the WBA super title.

828
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:30,159
That means Amanta Stanionis, who has been the regular champion,

829
00:37:30,159 --> 00:37:33,079
has now left as the remaining WBA champion. So from

830
00:37:33,119 --> 00:37:36,159
the one standpoint, it's good because it's one less regular

831
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,800
title in this crazy WBA situation. But the other thing is,

832
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:43,119
now you look around in a once a once unified

833
00:37:43,159 --> 00:37:46,440
division where Terrence Crawford held all four titles and had

834
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,719
a claim to pound for pound from any people. Now

835
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,440
we're back to a scenario where you have four world

836
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,719
title holders, none of whom have a huge name, who

837
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:56,960
still are, you know, on the younger end of their careers.

838
00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:00,000
And you're talking about Mario Barrios with the WBC belt,

839
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,199
Brian Norman as we've been discussing with now the WBO belt,

840
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,840
Jaron Ennis with the IBF belt, who knows how long

841
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:07,800
he'll keep that if he does, in fact vacate because

842
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:11,320
of this situation. And stanionis though with the WBA belt.

843
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:13,599
So you know, seeing any of those guys fight each other,

844
00:38:13,599 --> 00:38:15,920
I'd be perfectly down for it. There's a that's actually

845
00:38:16,079 --> 00:38:19,000
they may not be superstar names, but that's that's a

846
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:20,960
pretty good group of guys in terms of their abilities.

847
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,239
The Barrios has just the one loss to Tank Davis.

848
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:28,400
Brian Norman is undefeated, Jron Ennis is undefeated, Stanionis is undefeated. Yeah,

849
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,920
and they all have you know, good, good entertaining, fan

850
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,039
friendly kind of styles. But this is not what it

851
00:38:34,079 --> 00:38:35,480
was a few years ago when you get get these

852
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,159
guys busy and get them known. Now, even if they

853
00:38:38,159 --> 00:38:40,039
have two fights a year, they're hidden away behind a

854
00:38:40,079 --> 00:38:42,760
paywall or they're on a streaming service that not everybody

855
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,000
has access to. You know, these are not the days

856
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,400
of even like HBO or Showtime for that matter, or

857
00:38:47,639 --> 00:38:50,639
you know, god forbid network television or even based at cable.

858
00:38:50,679 --> 00:38:52,480
So you know it's gonna be hard for them to

859
00:38:52,519 --> 00:38:54,960
get that kind of name recognition. So you know, I

860
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,639
don't see us getting an undispeted champion out of that

861
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,239
group before guys, I'll put a deal like that way.

862
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:04,559
Crawford now is officially one hundred percent no longer any

863
00:39:04,599 --> 00:39:06,159
of the titles that Walter wad. He's now doing his

864
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,519
thing at jerom middleweight. And in terms of David Morrell,

865
00:39:09,039 --> 00:39:11,599
he fought on Terrence Crawford and Madrov was undercart in

866
00:39:11,639 --> 00:39:14,840
August where he had been the WBA Regular champion at

867
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:16,719
super middleweight, and he was kind of in a similar

868
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,000
boat with David Benavidez where even though he was the

869
00:39:19,039 --> 00:39:21,639
mandatory for Canalo Alvarez, who was the super champion, he

870
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,119
was never going to get that fight, so he took

871
00:39:24,119 --> 00:39:27,320
the opportunity to move up. The WBA threw him a bone,

872
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,039
if you will. They let him fight for the regular title,

873
00:39:29,039 --> 00:39:31,840
which pissed me off because they created another regular title

874
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:33,280
at a time where they're supposed to be getting rid

875
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,960
of those titles exactly because they were doing the unification

876
00:39:36,079 --> 00:39:39,239
for the undisputed between better b than Bevol because there

877
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,119
was Dimitri Bevil who has the WBA, you know, the

878
00:39:42,199 --> 00:39:46,000
real full title. Nonetheless, Morrell fought his debut at light

879
00:39:46,039 --> 00:39:48,760
heavyweight on that August Star cart He had a decision

880
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,960
win against hot Rod Collegiate. It was a, you know,

881
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,920
I would say, an inconsistent performance. He didn't look bad,

882
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,079
but he had a few struggles here and there, but

883
00:39:58,119 --> 00:39:59,800
he still won clearly in terms of a decision. And

884
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:04,320
so now he's vacated that belt and now he's got

885
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,880
one of these belts that seventy five and we'll see

886
00:40:07,079 --> 00:40:09,719
what happens when the undisputed fight happens. How the winner

887
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,000
of that fight is handled by the WBA. Are they

888
00:40:12,039 --> 00:40:14,320
going to actually make the winner of Better b In

889
00:40:14,639 --> 00:40:17,599
Beople fight David Morrell, because remember that winner is going

890
00:40:17,639 --> 00:40:19,519
to also have other mandatories they're gonna have to deal with,

891
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,800
so you know it's going to be slow going, I'll say,

892
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,119
to get to those quests. But in the meantime, you know,

893
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,719
just look, Moral's a talented guy, undefeated, exciting to watch.

894
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:30,960
Hopefully he can fight another good line heavyweight, even if

895
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,480
he's not going to get the actual title shot against

896
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,440
the super champion if you will, or the undisputed champ.

897
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,039
Speaker 1: All right, more news quickly here before we get to

898
00:40:39,079 --> 00:40:41,639
the good stuff and the nostalgia as well. Tom Loeffler,

899
00:40:41,679 --> 00:40:44,679
the promoter, has an update on sir hey Bullachuk. When

900
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,559
last we saw him he was battling with Virgil Ortiz.

901
00:40:48,079 --> 00:40:51,559
He's going to be back. Tell us more about what

902
00:40:51,599 --> 00:40:52,440
the announcement was.

903
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 2: Well, Tom, he promoted a part on the UFC Fight

904
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,800
Pass on Saturday Night, as he does regularly, and it

905
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:01,760
was during that show where they now or he announced

906
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:05,719
that Boatchuk, who, as you mentioned in earlier in August August,

907
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,079
tends to be exact, he lost that majority decision to

908
00:41:08,119 --> 00:41:10,480
Virgil Or He's in a really outstanding fight. Of your candidate,

909
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,400
and there's been a lot of conversations what's gonna happen next.

910
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,079
There's been some discussion with Turkey Ashik. Maybe he'll be

911
00:41:16,159 --> 00:41:18,000
on a Saudi Rabia card and lo and behold DJ

912
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:22,519
low and behold. He will be on a reat season

913
00:41:22,559 --> 00:41:23,239
card they made it.

914
00:41:25,199 --> 00:41:26,079
Speaker 1: Or not go ahead?

915
00:41:26,159 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 2: Yes, no opponent yet, but the bottom line is he'll

916
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,119
be in one of the featured fights on December twenty first.

917
00:41:31,159 --> 00:41:33,960
That'll be on the undercart of the rematch between Usik

918
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,679
and Fury in their heavyweight championship fight. And again, I

919
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:38,719
don't know he's gonna fight. There's been a little kind

920
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,239
of conjecture maybe some some I don't know if it's

921
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,480
how legit it is, but there's been the mention from

922
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,880
I think from Eddie Herd actually that maybe Butani's goes

923
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:48,519
up to one fifty four me they would try to

924
00:41:48,559 --> 00:41:51,480
fight a fight like boatchuck, which would be interesting.

925
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:51,519
Speaker 1: You.

926
00:41:51,639 --> 00:41:53,639
Speaker 2: If it's not for a title, that fine, fine with me.

927
00:41:54,199 --> 00:41:57,519
But nonetheless, whatever whatever the opponent is, we're gonna see

928
00:41:57,639 --> 00:41:59,639
Boichick back in action. I'm glad because you know what,

929
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,440
you know, he lost the fight to Virgil and I

930
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,320
feel like He legitimately lost that fight to Virgil, but

931
00:42:06,199 --> 00:42:07,599
it was a hell of a fight, and just because

932
00:42:07,599 --> 00:42:09,280
he lost, why not bring him back, you know when

933
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,840
you can. There's no there. He didn't disgrace himself by

934
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,440
any means. I'm excited. I feel like he raised his

935
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,559
stock in that in that defeat, as close as that was.

936
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,960
And I'm glad that everybody involved in that card on

937
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,639
December twenty first understands that saw that and say, you

938
00:42:23,679 --> 00:42:26,159
know what, exciting guy, let's do it now the fight

939
00:42:26,199 --> 00:42:28,079
I wouldn't mind. Again, I don't know who he's gonna fight,

940
00:42:28,119 --> 00:42:30,440
But and I've mentioned this before, it makes like, as

941
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,960
you say, TJ, we play amateur matchmaker here, makes too

942
00:42:33,039 --> 00:42:36,639
much fucking sense. He's coming off the very close loss

943
00:42:36,639 --> 00:42:39,599
to Virgil of Artis Thatt one fifty four, and Israel

944
00:42:39,639 --> 00:42:41,599
Majimov was coming off the very close loss in Terrence

945
00:42:41,599 --> 00:42:44,239
Crawford at won fifty four. Yeah, they both lost, but

946
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,760
they both certainly put out great efforts and showed a

947
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,480
lot in those fights. Make the match between those two guys,

948
00:42:50,039 --> 00:42:53,079
you know, but the winner make a bigger name, all right.

949
00:42:53,119 --> 00:42:55,599
Speaker 1: So that's gonna be in December for Bulletshok one more

950
00:42:55,639 --> 00:43:00,480
news item speaking of December, Fernando Martinez kaz Iolca now

951
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:04,559
speaking of Japan again, Uh, tell me more about this plan.

952
00:43:04,639 --> 00:43:05,960
I know we got a while before it happens, but

953
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:06,880
tell me more about this fight.

954
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,599
Speaker 2: Well, mainly they're gonna have a rematch on December thirty. First,

955
00:43:10,679 --> 00:43:12,400
you know New Year's Eve, which is obviously the very

956
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,960
traditional UH day and uh and timeframe for a major

957
00:43:16,039 --> 00:43:19,039
championship boxing events in the country of Japan. That's a

958
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,239
you know, it's kind of like their version, if you will,

959
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,840
like when we see big fights on the single Demaya

960
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:25,840
weekend or in the Puerto Rican Day Parade weekend, or

961
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,000
the Mexican Independence Day weekend, what have you. You know,

962
00:43:28,079 --> 00:43:30,000
top ranks made a big thing about the Heisman weekend

963
00:43:30,039 --> 00:43:32,360
and you know events like that. F one. Now they're

964
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,840
trying to do matching up. Anyway, New Year's even Japan

965
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:36,000
is a big deal. And if you go back to

966
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:40,480
earlier this year, you know, had Ioka and Martinez put

967
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,920
on an absolute spectacular fight to unify their titles at

968
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,800
Junior Banham Way that took place on July seven. Absolutely

969
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:50,239
spectacular battle, another legit Fight of the Year candidate. It

970
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:53,559
was Martinez that won the decision in that fight, but

971
00:43:53,679 --> 00:43:55,519
certainly worthy of a rematch, and that's what they're going

972
00:43:55,599 --> 00:43:58,760
to do. And it's you know, if you watch that

973
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:02,039
first fight, absolutely calcular. Uh you know, I don't know

974
00:44:02,039 --> 00:44:04,039
if they can actually match that again. That'd be hard

975
00:44:04,079 --> 00:44:05,960
to do, giving the amount of punches that they threw

976
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:07,800
and land in that first fight. But it was a

977
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,360
terrific fight. It was just you know, Martinez, a little

978
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,599
bit younger, a little bit fresser, massive pressure for the

979
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:15,199
entire fight, got out to a little bit of a

980
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,599
lead and just kept up. And even though Ioka had

981
00:44:17,599 --> 00:44:19,559
fought a hell of a fight. I think Ioka, and

982
00:44:19,559 --> 00:44:22,079
I've watched tons of Ioka fights through his career, probably

983
00:44:22,119 --> 00:44:23,679
fought one of his best fights ever. He just could

984
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:26,440
not hang, uh you know, and win in terms of

985
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,800
because of the constant pressure and actually win a lot

986
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,199
of the rounds. But just a just a great, great

987
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:34,039
fight to watch. And so they'll do it again, and uh,

988
00:44:34,079 --> 00:44:35,679
that'll be you know, if you if you have I

989
00:44:35,679 --> 00:44:37,719
don't know if it's gonna be uh anywhere on in

990
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,199
America in terms of a stream, you know, maybe maybe

991
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,119
ESPN plus might pick it up. Maybe the zone might

992
00:44:42,119 --> 00:44:45,280
pick it up, but uh, I would not mind spending

993
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:46,840
my New Year's Eve watching that kind of fight, or

994
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:48,280
though I guess it would be in the morning because.

995
00:44:48,079 --> 00:44:51,119
Speaker 1: Of the morning countdown for those that have the little

996
00:44:51,159 --> 00:44:52,559
kids that could do the countdown to noon.

997
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:54,599
Speaker 2: But this, yeah, you know what to hear it, here's

998
00:44:54,639 --> 00:44:56,679
a great step by the way I just mentioned. Now,

999
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,400
New Year's Eve is like the traditional time in Japan

1000
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,599
boxing where they do you know, every year there's some

1001
00:45:01,679 --> 00:45:04,840
kind of championship action and sometimes there's multiple cards during

1002
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:06,480
the course of that week, even New Year's Eve day

1003
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,239
before New Year's Eve, et cetera. How about Ioka, He's

1004
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,480
had a fifteen year career. He's going to be fighting

1005
00:45:12,519 --> 00:45:16,960
this coming December thirty first, it'll be his fifteenth you know,

1006
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,760
December thirty first available in terms of when he's been

1007
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:21,960
a professional, he will have fought. It will be his

1008
00:45:22,039 --> 00:45:24,840
thirteenth time fighting on that date. He'steen years.

1009
00:45:25,159 --> 00:45:27,800
Speaker 1: It's like Jick Clark was synonymous for New Year's Eves

1010
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,000
for so many years with the ball drop for decades.

1011
00:45:30,039 --> 00:45:32,480
It's kas Ioka in Japan fighting who knew.

1012
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:34,199
Speaker 2: And it will be his seventh in a row. And

1013
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,719
most of those fights were like world title type fights.

1014
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:38,840
It wasn't like interesting, they were just like six rounders

1015
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:42,079
on undercards. I mean, he's made a living fighting on

1016
00:45:42,119 --> 00:45:43,960
New Year's Eve in championship fights, and he's you know,

1017
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,280
he's won titles and four divisions. I have said on

1018
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,639
this show before that kaz Ioka, you know, is a

1019
00:45:48,679 --> 00:45:51,159
borderline Hall of Famer at this moment in my mind,

1020
00:45:51,199 --> 00:45:53,079
and maybe ultimately will be a Hall of Famer. He's

1021
00:45:53,079 --> 00:45:55,360
been a terrific fighters, not getting hunger. He's thirty five

1022
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,440
years old. But if he can win this rematch and

1023
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,440
regain his title and pick up the other one, that's

1024
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,760
a really big feather in his cap for sure.

1025
00:46:04,119 --> 00:46:07,119
Speaker 1: All Right, nostalgia time, Let's go back in time. We're

1026
00:46:07,159 --> 00:46:12,119
doing this podcast on the first day of September twenty twelve,

1027
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:16,000
twelve years ago. September first again, Natty gahlove Can Triple

1028
00:46:16,039 --> 00:46:21,440
G made his American debut Turning Stone Resort. HBO broadcast

1029
00:46:21,559 --> 00:46:24,599
a destruction of someone named how do you say that?

1030
00:46:24,639 --> 00:46:29,480
First named Gregor Gores Greg greg his friends call him

1031
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:33,320
g and Triple G wiped him out. Now, interesting, I

1032
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:37,079
prompted you. I said you were not ringside for this

1033
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:39,639
on that September in twenty twelve, but it was Triple

1034
00:46:39,639 --> 00:46:42,239
G's debut and would go on to a litany of

1035
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:46,400
big time fights and big time knockouts throughout the middleway division.

1036
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:47,960
Go ahead here with twelve years ago.

1037
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:49,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I don't remember why I didn't go

1038
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:51,679
to this particular fight. It wasn't maybe that big. It

1039
00:46:51,679 --> 00:46:52,639
was a boxing after dark.

1040
00:46:52,639 --> 00:46:52,760
Speaker 1: You know.

1041
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 2: Remember I was working at ESPN. There were still budgets

1042
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,599
that were that were involved in making those decisions. I'm

1043
00:46:58,639 --> 00:47:00,800
sure there was other things I was getting ready to

1044
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,840
go to. But he made his American debut. Tribleg defended

1045
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:09,679
his WBA Middleway title, and he was I knew about him.

1046
00:47:09,679 --> 00:47:11,280
I had put him on my prospect list a couple

1047
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,199
of years earlier. He had won a silver medal in

1048
00:47:13,199 --> 00:47:15,679
the Olympics, but to the American public at large, he

1049
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,679
was totally unknown. Tom Loeffler, who was his promoter at

1050
00:47:18,679 --> 00:47:20,960
the time, had spent a lot of time trying to

1051
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,679
convince HBO to put him on, and they finally did,

1052
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,239
and they put this doubleheader on. They went up to

1053
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:28,519
turning Stone Casino and Verona, New York, which has been

1054
00:47:28,559 --> 00:47:30,519
a place that's done plenty of fights through the years,

1055
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,000
and this was the main event that night. Now, originally

1056
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,239
he was supposed to fight a fighter named Dmitri Piro,

1057
00:47:36,599 --> 00:47:39,000
and if my memory serves, at that time, Dmitiriapeiro, who

1058
00:47:39,039 --> 00:47:41,480
was undefeated, he was a WBO champion. It was supposed

1059
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,039
to be a unification fight. Pirogue, who had scored a

1060
00:47:44,039 --> 00:47:47,400
spectacular knockout against Daniel Jacobs in an upset to win

1061
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:50,239
that title, had a very severe back injury at some

1062
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:52,320
point and he actually I don't think he ever fought again.

1063
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,400
Maybe one time, maybe he never fought again. But the

1064
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,559
point was krub was out of that fight and never

1065
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,320
never came back, unfortunately. But Proxo was a hell of

1066
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,760
a good content at that time. He was twenty eight

1067
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:03,719
and one. He was a Bontifi guy who had been

1068
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:06,480
European champion, and they matched him up with Triple G

1069
00:48:07,199 --> 00:48:08,679
and you're like, all right, let's see what this guy's

1070
00:48:08,679 --> 00:48:10,480
all about. And when I tell you that he he

1071
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:14,000
p more than lived up to the hype. This was

1072
00:48:14,079 --> 00:48:16,920
as if you take any and maybe I'm just in

1073
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,000
my own time frame. So the last twenty five years

1074
00:48:19,079 --> 00:48:21,559
or so of covering boxing a guy that's had an

1075
00:48:21,599 --> 00:48:25,000
American debut or an HBO type debut or network debut,

1076
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:26,840
whatever you want to call it, that had a lot

1077
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:29,599
of hype behind it. I don't think there's ever been

1078
00:48:29,639 --> 00:48:32,079
one more impressive than what Triple G did that night.

1079
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:34,360
Maybe I'm missing one on Maybe we could come from.

1080
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:37,039
Speaker 1: The same Hamed maybe on a US debut, but it

1081
00:48:37,039 --> 00:48:38,360
doesn't come to mind more than Triple G.

1082
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 2: I got you, no, because when princes Seem's triple American

1083
00:48:41,519 --> 00:48:44,559
debut was on, was on ABC on Wide World of Sports,

1084
00:48:44,559 --> 00:48:45,840
and you know, he got a knockout. But I wasn't

1085
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:50,039
like so overwhelming. This was a heavily hyped up American debut,

1086
00:48:50,159 --> 00:48:54,360
HBO debut, and he was fucking spectacular. He scored not

1087
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:57,639
against and remember against a good quality guy at that time,

1088
00:48:57,679 --> 00:49:01,039
who had you know, shown durability, who had not known

1089
00:49:01,119 --> 00:49:03,320
for being knocked out, who had never you know, that

1090
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,440
was the first time he ever got stopped, was against Gannati.

1091
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:09,079
You know, it was a tremendous performance. He knocked them

1092
00:49:09,079 --> 00:49:10,480
down in the first round, he knocked them down in

1093
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,199
the fourth round, he knocked them down in the fifth round,

1094
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,000
and he ended up stopping him in the fifth round,

1095
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:16,480
and it was spectacular, and he had dominated up to

1096
00:49:16,519 --> 00:49:18,760
that point. He was winning forty to thirty four and

1097
00:49:19,039 --> 00:49:21,599
all three scorecards against a good, credible guy. You know,

1098
00:49:21,639 --> 00:49:23,599
if you take a look at any of the middleweight rankings,

1099
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:25,800
you can look maybe at my rankings. You could probably

1100
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,159
look at the Ring magazine rankings picked you know, the

1101
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,519
whatever was on box Wreck at the time. You know,

1102
00:49:30,599 --> 00:49:33,519
go pick your your poison there. He got proxate in

1103
00:49:33,559 --> 00:49:35,960
those rankings, maybe at the lower part of the top ten,

1104
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,639
but still a bona fide guy. And it's not like

1105
00:49:38,639 --> 00:49:40,920
Gluff can just beat him. He beat the living shit

1106
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,360
at him. It was so impressive. And I actually, because

1107
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:44,559
I knew we were going to talk about this, I

1108
00:49:44,559 --> 00:49:46,920
went and I called up the column that I wrote

1109
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:48,920
about this on ESPN, even though I wasn't present in

1110
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:51,400
the arena that night. And I have covered every single

1111
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,559
one of Triple G's fights that have taken place in

1112
00:49:53,559 --> 00:49:55,960
the United States other than this fight. And I missed

1113
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,199
one fight when he was fighting in a closed door

1114
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:00,960
situation during the pandemic and Zara Meta where there was

1115
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:02,800
no media at the fight at all. I even went

1116
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:04,599
to England to cover a triple G. So I've seen

1117
00:50:04,599 --> 00:50:06,400
a lot of trouble g up close and personal. This

1118
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:08,639
one I watched on TV, and I'm gonna read you

1119
00:50:09,199 --> 00:50:12,280
one short paragraph of what I wrote in that column

1120
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,159
that I went and looked up. This is post having

1121
00:50:15,199 --> 00:50:19,159
destroyed Greg Proxon, Klofkin asks charisma, a boyish grint and

1122
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:21,760
enough command of English that he can help market himself

1123
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,000
in a big way, along with a fighting style that

1124
00:50:24,079 --> 00:50:26,440
you can fall in love with. Trust me, there are

1125
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:28,239
going to be a lot of smiles in the Monday

1126
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:31,519
morning HBO Sports staff meeting after Saturday's performance.

1127
00:50:33,639 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 1: It's a little prophetic there from brother Rayphael, and you

1128
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,039
turned out to be one thousand percent right on the

1129
00:50:39,039 --> 00:50:39,920
trust me part.

1130
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 2: Because he went on to have such a tremendous run.

1131
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:47,159
He continued that knockout streat, you know, with the massive

1132
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:50,119
knockout percentage, And after that he came to New York.

1133
00:50:50,159 --> 00:50:53,239
He thought our boy gave Rizato and scored a bloody

1134
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:56,440
victory against him. He went into Monte Carlo and scored

1135
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:58,440
an early knockout. He came back and he had another

1136
00:50:58,519 --> 00:51:02,679
spectacular body show knockout against Matthew Macklin. He's developing a

1137
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:05,079
lot of hype with the knockouts, a lot of attention,

1138
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:08,039
like becoming like a cult hero to American boxing. Mans

1139
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:11,840
had that devastating knockout against Curtis Stevens where you have

1140
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:15,000
Jim Lampley cosack power, you know, and the look on

1141
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:17,760
Curtis stevens In's face when he felt the punching power.

1142
00:51:18,159 --> 00:51:20,840
I mean, it was just that, but this proxified that

1143
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,519
was the beginning of what was in my opinion at

1144
00:51:23,519 --> 00:51:26,679
these for me personally, having covered all these fights as

1145
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,960
fun and exciting, a ride for one fighter through a

1146
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:34,880
litany of world championship fights and top events and excitement

1147
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,880
that that and fan interest that you know, I mean

1148
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,840
to me, it's him and Pakyo covering the the the

1149
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:44,840
the long run of these great fighters where they brought

1150
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:47,000
nothing but excitement to me. For me in my career,

1151
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:50,039
it's all about that that time of covering Triple G

1152
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,639
and Manny Pacyo. I mean, as good as it gets.

1153
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 1: You should know that I trust you on all fronts. Basically,

1154
00:51:57,039 --> 00:51:59,280
I trust you, and especially when Triple G you were

1155
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:02,280
propping that up twelve years ago. All right, Also on

1156
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:05,719
this Sunday, it is the birthday of the Hall of

1157
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:08,000
Famer Eric Morales. By the way, public shout out it's

1158
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:10,000
Missus Reeves's birthday later this week. We're not going to

1159
00:52:10,039 --> 00:52:13,360
discuss how old she is. She's just vintage. She's vintage,

1160
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:13,960
Missus Reeves.

1161
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 2: You don't call her el to reblay though, No, I

1162
00:52:17,519 --> 00:52:18,079
do not call.

1163
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,360
Speaker 1: Her el to reblay. I call her el Hefe. You

1164
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:23,559
know what elfe is, theos the ball c c CEC

1165
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:29,400
just like exactly, So happy birthday, Missus Reeves. But happy

1166
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:33,840
birthday also el to reblay. Eric Morales on Sunday on

1167
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:38,920
September first, a four division world champ. And by the way,

1168
00:52:39,039 --> 00:52:42,000
you did count it up. It's what an even dozen

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that you were at ringside for you counted it up.

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I mean his big time fights for Morales.

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Speaker 2: I wrote about many more of his fights than that,

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but I was present ringside for twelve of them, including

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some of the best ones of his career. You know,

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I unfortunately I didn't start my boxing writing job in

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terms of time at USA today until a few weeks later.

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But I remember watching his first fight against Marco Antonio Brera,

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which was the one fight of their trilogy that he

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won while I was sitting in my living room in

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my old place in Upstate, and you York packing stuff

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to get ready for the impending move to begin My

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00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:19,320
job at USA today is the box shrink. But Eric Morales,

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I mean, if you like boxing and you don't like

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watching Eric Morales fights, then you can't really call yourself

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a boxing day. There was very few guys in this sport,

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at least in the modern times. Let's call it like

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I said, you know, the last twenty five years or

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even longer, however many years you want to go back,

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that just gave everything of himself. Every time he came

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to the ring. He had one thing on his mind,

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knock you out and win the fight, and he was.

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He lived up to it. It became an all time

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great you know, you want to talk about the greatest

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Mexican fighters in history. Maybe he doesn't sit there at

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the top of the list like the Chavez or you know,

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Savador Sanchez or Canelo Alvarez and fighters along those lines,

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but he had with him and his fellow guys in

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that same era. It was him, it was it was

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Marco and Tony Brere, and it was it was one

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Nanuel Marquez they were the three greats of that time.

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It still pisses me off to this day that Marquez

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and Morales never fought each other, but Eric Morales fought everybody,

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won a bunch of titles, gave thrills to everybody, and

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just made some spectacular fights. I mean, all I can

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say is he's probably got If you think about like

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00:54:24,639 --> 00:54:28,000
a good win, a great win in the modern time,

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is there a more big time win in a big

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spot than his win over Manny Pacio in their first fight.

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I mean, that's about as good of a win as

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there is. I mean, that was the prime Manny Pacio

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00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:41,199
on his way to bigger and better things, right before

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he left one hundred and thirty pound way class, on

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his way to beating you know, the the Oscar de

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00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:49,159
la Hoyas and Ricky Hatton's and moving up and you know,

1214
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destroying everybody. But Eric Morels straight up beat him that

1215
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night in their first fight in two thousand. It was

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a two thousand and five in a spectacular fight, by

1217
00:54:57,760 --> 00:54:59,440
the way, one of one of the best fights you

1218
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:01,519
could ever want to wat. He just went on that

1219
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tremendous run. So he's got two big wins in that

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sense between the Brier one and the packcat fight, but

1221
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tons more of great wins, also lots of action fights,

1222
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always in a fight of the year type contender, you know,

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and never really you know, badly badly beaten until like

1224
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really when he was sort of near to the end,

1225
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:19,599
which was really I guess the third fight against many

1226
00:55:19,639 --> 00:55:21,599
Packet where he sort of just had enough and kind

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of called it a day. They're sitting on the canvas.

1228
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But Eric Rouse spectacular fighter, warrior of all time and

1229
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:30,960
just just a thrill to cover. And I can't say

1230
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enough about the man.

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Speaker 1: Happy Birthday to the Hall of Famer on Sunday the first.

1232
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:39,800
So we've embarked on a new month, Canelo Month again,

1233
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Canelo and Berlanga coming in a couple of weekends. We

1234
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:46,559
got all kinds of action still to come before this

1235
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calendar year is over with. Cannot wait again. You need

1236
00:55:49,599 --> 00:55:51,039
to be locked in, you need to be following, you

1237
00:55:51,079 --> 00:55:54,599
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1238
00:55:54,599 --> 00:55:57,559
preview mode going into the weekend, the recap mode. Most weekends,

1239
00:55:57,599 --> 00:55:58,760
this is going to be the case, even with the

1240
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:01,760
football season cranking up. All the college football happened. Now

1241
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:04,440
we got the NFL. I got my broadcast duties with

1242
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:07,039
the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, but that's not going to detur

1243
00:56:07,159 --> 00:56:10,280
us from being here almost all of the time. We

1244
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:12,639
are here on a preview and a recap every weekend.

1245
00:56:12,679 --> 00:56:16,119
Follow and subscribe here on the pod great stuff on

1246
00:56:16,159 --> 00:56:19,039
this edition. Let's see what happens with the Monster or not?

1247
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:22,039
Is it a quick knockout or not of TJ Dohaney

1248
00:56:22,119 --> 00:56:25,320
on Tuesday? And you and I will reconvene later this

1249
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:27,920
week on the pod need here with much more.

1250
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Speaker 2: Yes, and I will just say for our we'll give

1251
00:56:30,119 --> 00:56:32,360
a little tease for our next episode that will come

1252
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:35,559
out Thursday night. In the Friday, we have an interview,

1253
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:37,880
my interview with the one and only Canelo Elvaris.

1254
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Speaker 1: There's a teaes, there's a tease to start the new month.

1255
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:43,920
You'll hear from Canelo later on in the week. Follow, subscribe,

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We have done the recap thing in a way. Fight

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Tuesday be locked in on Dan substack and social media,

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Big Fight Weekend, dot Com, Fight Preach Nite substack. You'll

1269
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:25,840
have more on the Naway fight and whatever happens again

1270
00:57:26,039 --> 00:57:28,320
Massive Star in Japan. Is he gotta get a spectacular

1271
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:30,679
knockout more than likely. Let's see what happens with that,

1272
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:32,159
and we'll be talking about it more later on in

1273
00:57:32,159 --> 00:57:33,599
the week. For now, Big Dan, have a good week,

1274
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,320
Be safe on Labor Day week and Labor Day weekend.

1275
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Thank you, my friend, you too, Sir. There is Dan Rayfield.

1276
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I'm merely TJ Reeves. We thank you for being with

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us on the Fight Preaching Night recap pod.