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Speaker 3: This podcast may include explicit content that will take you
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Speaker 4: Hello, and welcome back to the show. This is the
Speaker 4: fourth and final installment of Into the Cultiverse, featuring Me
Speaker 4: your Favorite Podcast Forever and Colby How are you? Colby?
Speaker 1: How do you know their favorite?
Speaker 4: Because they've listened to all four parts of the culti
Speaker 4: Verse so far, but maybe you're their favorite. There will
Speaker 4: be a bonus episode of Into the Cultiverse available on
Speaker 4: Cosmic Peach Patreon only, not next week but the week after,
Speaker 4: and it's gonna be full of all kinds of fun stuff.
Speaker 4: But today I'm actually kind of excited because I was
Speaker 4: going to cover a cult that I had talked about
Speaker 4: in the past a little bit, but Colby decided to
Speaker 4: change his cult, and then he was talking to me
Speaker 4: about two cults that he was in between, and I
Speaker 4: thought both of them were so interesting that they should
Speaker 4: both be covered, so I changed mine as well. I'm
Speaker 4: not going first today. You're up, Smalls, But I mean,
Speaker 4: are you excited for this last episode?
Speaker 1: Excited as I ever have been?
Speaker 4: So Yes, so technically yes, I'm actually kind of ready
Speaker 4: to be done talking about cults because the more cults
Speaker 4: that I look into, the less faith I have in humanity.
Speaker 1: What if you want to start a cult that should
Speaker 1: give you more faith.
Speaker 4: I don't want to start a cult.
Speaker 1: Maybe we should.
Speaker 4: What would it be called cosmic cult?
Speaker 1: It's probably already taken.
Speaker 4: Probably. Did you know that there's a monster drink that's
Speaker 4: called cosmic peach. The flavor is called cosmic peach.
Speaker 1: No, but there's a cider, a drink that does cosmic
Speaker 1: fruits and their Imperial ciders, so like nine percent alcohol.
Speaker 1: I think it's two towns.
Speaker 4: They don't have a cosmic peach.
Speaker 1: You have a cosmic pair. Hey, cosmic paar.
Speaker 4: Didn't somebody call you that?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Someone in the comments said mister and missus.
Speaker 4: Cosmic peach and cosmic pear, right, something like that. See,
Speaker 4: we read your comments. You don't think we do, but
Speaker 4: we do.
Speaker 1: Sometimes they just pop up automatically on Spotify. But I
Speaker 1: have seen a.
Speaker 4: Few, and overwhelmingly positive or negative.
Speaker 1: That's probably overwhelmed overwhelmingly positive. You're never going to get
Speaker 1: one hundred percent positive. Most people who make comments are haters. Anyway. Oh,
Speaker 1: some of them are a lot apparently.
Speaker 4: Those of you who have left positive comments, thank you.
Speaker 4: We appreciate this poet as always.
Speaker 1: I appreciate the negative comments just as much. Well, I
Speaker 1: don't keep those.
Speaker 4: I don't want to come on, I'm not reading them anyways,
Speaker 4: the negative ones. But do you have anything you wanted
Speaker 4: to wrap up from the last episode?
Speaker 1: It almost seems like there's something that I didn't say
Speaker 1: that I wanted to.
Speaker 4: I watched it again today, our last episode.
Speaker 2: I remember what we were.
Speaker 4: What do you mean, you know, like children of God,
Speaker 4: Children of God and I did the Movement for the
Speaker 4: Restoration of the Ten Commandments of God. Joseph Kibba with Terry. Oh,
Speaker 4: that's something I was gonna say. We met some new
Speaker 4: friends over the weekend and you were telling them about
Speaker 4: our new show, and you were hyping up the movement
Speaker 4: of the Restoration of the Ten Commandments of God. I
Speaker 4: think it's grown on you.
Speaker 1: How did I hype them up?
Speaker 4: Because you were like, oh, yeah, it was so crazy
Speaker 4: because it was very programmed to kill esque and like
Speaker 4: they had all these bodies buried all over these different
Speaker 4: people's properties and shit, and like, so has it grown
Speaker 4: on you or not.
Speaker 1: I gave it a ten out of ten.
Speaker 4: That was only after I was whining and complaining. Though.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's why I talked up your cult. You're gonna
Speaker 1: do some math here.
Speaker 4: Just sympathy, that's all. That was just sympathy.
Speaker 1: I think that it's a cool story, okay, but as
Speaker 1: a cult, I thought we were reading like one out
Speaker 1: of ten of like where it stands on? Like what
Speaker 1: the cults that you think are the most crazy or intriguing?
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, so I know that you thought
Speaker 1: I was giving your presentation a little performance. Always get elevens, babe, Well, I.
Speaker 4: Always take everything to personally. You know that I watched
Speaker 4: back the Shut Up. I watched back the first and
Speaker 4: second episode two. Uh, just you know, seeing how far
Speaker 4: we've come in our journey. And I have not been
Speaker 4: rating them, remember I said that, because you were like,
Speaker 4: have you been rating them? And I was like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I've been writing them. I think I only rated one
Speaker 4: of them. I haven't been rating all of them. I've
Speaker 4: been asking you to rate your own colts even and
Speaker 4: I don't say anything, but I'm so excited for the
Speaker 4: cult that you decided not to cover. And I did,
Speaker 4: because you might actually be sorry you didn't pick this one.
Speaker 4: It's so crazy.
Speaker 1: Well, I had started looking into it already, but I
Speaker 1: was finding the other one that what I'm about to do.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're both very interesting in the fact that
Speaker 1: they are modern and all these other cults they have
Speaker 1: similar elements and their old school ideas mixed with alien shit.
Speaker 4: Uh huh.
Speaker 1: And I didn't at first glance. I didn't think that
Speaker 1: my cult had anything to do with alien shit, but
Speaker 1: there is a little bit, and uh, it's hard to
Speaker 1: escape that. But anyway, these two cults are very modern
Speaker 1: and maybe even say transgender.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, color me curious.
Speaker 1: Well, I know yours has some of that, right, and
Speaker 1: so does mine.
Speaker 4: It makes me want to reference that Saturday Night Live
Speaker 4: episode my friends called me Whiskers because I'm curious like
Speaker 4: a cat.
Speaker 1: I didn't know where you're going with this, but.
Speaker 4: No, I am curious so real, So I guess you're
Speaker 4: up small unless you have anything else you wanted to add.
Speaker 1: Oh not really, Oh, do you.
Speaker 4: Want to tell everyone about my hot new haircut? Those
Speaker 4: of the listeners who can't see it.
Speaker 1: Julia got a hot new haircut, and it.
Speaker 4: Really turns him on. He said he felt it in
Speaker 4: his beehole the first time he saw its shock waves.
Speaker 1: That's exactly what I said.
Speaker 4: Yes, it's actually not looking too hot right now because
Speaker 4: I didn't wash my hair today. But you know who
Speaker 4: has time for that When you're researching cults.
Speaker 1: You could have just shaved your head if you were
Speaker 1: committed to the cause.
Speaker 4: I'm not going full on Manson family Sinnnon. There you go, Cinnemon, Ready.
Speaker 1: You set go. This week I will be talking about
Speaker 1: the Church of Euthanasia Dun Dun Dun, And I really
Speaker 1: I don't know. I was kind of surprised I hadn't
Speaker 1: heard about these people, but I the more I looked
Speaker 1: into it, I think I did come across it. So
Speaker 1: we can just dive right in. I would say that
Speaker 1: this would have been good in the nineties episode too.
Speaker 4: Oh it's a nineties thing.
Speaker 1: It is. It's mostly nineties and apparently they disbanded for
Speaker 1: a period of time, but it sounds like they are
Speaker 1: active once again. And one of the more intriguing things
Speaker 1: about this cult is, you know, you dig deep enough,
Speaker 1: you could always find reasons to think that there's intelligence
Speaker 1: ties to what's going on. But this one's undeniable that
Speaker 1: this guy was pushed forward by government, and kind of
Speaker 1: when I lay out what this cult believes a lot
Speaker 1: of you will make ties to certain elitist people who
Speaker 1: have very similar pillars.
Speaker 4: Doctor Kevorkian.
Speaker 1: Doctor Koborkian was a saint compared to these guys. No,
Speaker 1: he was ordained as a saint in the Church of euthanasia.
Speaker 1: You know who else was? All right, Margaret fucking Sanger.
Speaker 4: In Asias and like what you do to cripple old
Speaker 4: dogs and cats.
Speaker 1: Or yeah, and Kavorkian was doing it to people. Now,
Speaker 1: let's just get this clear. I am not against people
Speaker 1: killing themselves if you're fucking in pain mentally physically. You know,
Speaker 1: we do have right to die in Oregon. But it's more,
Speaker 1: you know, it's fixated around, you know, Christ terminal deaths,
Speaker 1: like cancer, cancer, stage four cancers Canada, you can just
Speaker 1: have a fucking ereache and the governmental comput you out
Speaker 1: of your misery.
Speaker 4: So in Oregon, if you're like terminal cancer, you can
Speaker 4: say euthanize me and they'll do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you used to have to fly to like parts
Speaker 1: of Europe. I think Sweden had it before we did.
Speaker 4: Well, Oregon's just ahead of the curve on everything, isn't it.
Speaker 1: Yeah? And I don't know, I don't think we're the
Speaker 1: only state. I could be wrong about California. Maybe, well
Speaker 1: California helps the drug addicts do it. But anyway, uh,
Speaker 1: I think a brief overview of the founder could be
Speaker 1: better summed up by seeing this person named Chris Korda.
Speaker 1: So we're going to talk about everything with the foundation
Speaker 1: of this shit. But first we're going to watch an
Speaker 1: episode of Jerry Springer. And we're only going to watch
Speaker 1: a few minutes of it, but we're going to watch
Speaker 1: Think it's on my birthday, August eleventh of nineteen ninety seven,
Speaker 1: there was an episode on Jerry Springer. So they founded
Speaker 1: in ninety two, So this is going to be about
Speaker 1: five years into.
Speaker 4: The church in Asia.
Speaker 1: Yes, what would you do?
Speaker 5: What would you do if the person you love told
Speaker 5: you that they wanted to join a cult that supports suicide, cannibalism,
Speaker 5: and even eating the flesh of aborted babies. Well, in
Speaker 5: a moment, we're going to meet a woman who actually
Speaker 5: says she wants to join this cult. But first let's
Speaker 5: meet the founders. Reverend Chris Carter, Pastor Kim and vermin x.
Speaker 1: That's this ministry.
Speaker 5: Give me four things that you believe in. What are
Speaker 5: the basic tenets of your philosophy.
Speaker 3: We're gonna we're gonna get to the four pillars of
Speaker 3: the church. Ethanasia. You already know what they are. They're suicide, abortion, asomy.
Speaker 5: Wait sac say that again.
Speaker 3: Suicide abortion, And we're gonna every one of them.
Speaker 4: And this is a faith.
Speaker 3: This is this is this is an organized religion.
Speaker 5: And this has to do with iron, Yes it does,
Speaker 5: and we're gonna explain it is recycling cans. You're talking
Speaker 5: about suicide.
Speaker 4: It's funny.
Speaker 5: Why is it necessary?
Speaker 4: Then?
Speaker 5: But why is it necessary? You don't want to hurt
Speaker 5: the animals? I appreciate that, But why is it necessary
Speaker 5: to fulfill your belief that people have to commit suicide
Speaker 5: or human beings have to go around eating each other?
Speaker 5: Here's the cannibalism. Why is that necessary? If you don't
Speaker 5: want to kill this, don't kill animals, but don't kill people?
Speaker 5: Why on?
Speaker 4: Hold on?
Speaker 3: Why did I bring up the veal cow? Because humans
Speaker 3: are cruel to animals? No, because humans are animals. That's
Speaker 3: what this is about. If we sit you down at
Speaker 3: a table and put pig flesh and human flesh in
Speaker 3: front of you and blindfolds you. You won't be able
Speaker 3: to tell the difference because flesh is flesh.
Speaker 2: Why don't you think.
Speaker 3: About that the next time you bite into your cheeseburger.
Speaker 3: We're talking about a massive system of cruelty.
Speaker 5: Monstress, you make the blindfold challenge.
Speaker 3: Take the blindfold challenge. You won't be able to tell
Speaker 3: the difference.
Speaker 1: Your face.
Speaker 4: What's that a toad on a crucifix?
Speaker 1: Fetus? I think so?
Speaker 4: So I don't want to know anything about this.
Speaker 1: Cult, Yes you do.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 1: What did you notice about Chris Kuerda right off the bat?
Speaker 4: Well, he's a tryinny.
Speaker 1: Well, it's funny because whenever I was listening to or
Speaker 1: reading coverage of this cult, every buddy referred to Chris
Speaker 1: as a she. That's your choice. I don't know how
Speaker 1: I'm going to be at the pronoun game here.
Speaker 4: So we're going Chris is a man?
Speaker 1: Is a trans woman?
Speaker 4: Has he had surgery?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 4: And then he's a man.
Speaker 1: He's kind of back and forth. Did the Demi Levado thing, like, oh,
Speaker 1: breaking news. I no longer use ay them's. I'm back
Speaker 1: to she her, so he's kind of waffled and dashed
Speaker 1: around the board of the transgender thing. So to understand
Speaker 1: more about this organization, we'll start with Chris Corrida. Chris
Speaker 1: was born in New York City in nineteen sixty two
Speaker 1: to very wealthy parents. I don't remember if his dad
Speaker 1: was in finance or media, but he was kind of
Speaker 1: a successful motherfucker, and his mom was an aspiring actress,
Speaker 1: and they were pretty wealthy.
Speaker 4: So it's always the wealthy ones that cut their penises off.
Speaker 1: By Chris's own account, at the age of ten, his
Speaker 1: life was changed when he read a New York Times article.
Speaker 1: So he was born in nineteen sixty two, so this
Speaker 1: would have been the early seventies, and it was a
Speaker 1: New York Times headline that was very climate alarmist, which
Speaker 1: in seventy two, I mean I remember they were. I
Speaker 1: mean I wasn't alive in the seventies, but people who
Speaker 1: were tell me, you know the shit they're saying about
Speaker 1: global warming and climate change. Now, back when I was
Speaker 1: a kid in seventies, it was an ice age is coming.
Speaker 1: You ever heard that? Yeah, there's an even a video
Speaker 1: of Leonard Nimoy doing some science special talking about the
Speaker 1: coming ice Age, and that was in the seventies. But anyway,
Speaker 1: Chris was really worried about all that stuff, and it
Speaker 1: kind of spills over into his overlook on life and
Speaker 1: our role as people on the planet. And I'm going
Speaker 1: to be straightforward and say that if I knew about
Speaker 1: this group and the I don't know two thousands that
Speaker 1: when I was maybe in my twenties, I probably would
Speaker 1: have been on board with a lot of this shit.
Speaker 1: Oh like, it's.
Speaker 4: Clarify what parts you're on the abortion, the cannibalism, or
Speaker 4: the what were the four tenants? Again?
Speaker 1: So the four pillars are suicide, no, But the reason
Speaker 1: for what they were doing and the way they went
Speaker 1: about doing it is very I don't know, like almost no.
Speaker 1: So we'll get to the four pillars, but it's almost
Speaker 1: like Project Mayhem. And even Chris, when you listen to
Speaker 1: interviews that he's done in recent years, he talks about
Speaker 1: how they were culture jamming, which you know, are you
Speaker 1: familiar with that term? Culture jamming is like when you
Speaker 1: insert yourself in a performative way that big public events
Speaker 1: and it's almost like a troll, like you know who
Speaker 1: Alex Stein is that guy that always goes to like
Speaker 1: city council meetings.
Speaker 4: Does he have a fetus on a crucifix?
Speaker 1: Well, he's a comedian, he's gotten big. He always had
Speaker 1: a conspiracy podcast, Alex Stein, I'll show you. I'm sure
Speaker 1: you would know who he is. But anyway, what he
Speaker 1: was doing at city council meetings, that's just an example
Speaker 1: of culture jamming. Now these guys took it to a
Speaker 1: whole new level and we'll get into some of that,
Speaker 1: but just a little brief history. Chris was an aspiring artist.
Speaker 1: He actually has a pretty immersive music catalog in techno music,
Speaker 1: and they have I you know, I listened to a
Speaker 1: lot of it, and I won't sure you did, but
Speaker 1: I did. I listened to about four or five songs
Speaker 1: and it's techno and it's really.
Speaker 4: Even like techno.
Speaker 1: No, I don't, but doing the research, you'd want to
Speaker 1: at least like look at it. Sure, so I'm gonna
Speaker 1: put it on a playlist.
Speaker 4: Cute, your infant cute.
Speaker 1: That is not even an exaggeration of like shut up,
Speaker 1: if you went, if he went and listened to all
Speaker 1: his songs, I guarantee you that would have a ninety
Speaker 1: percent chance of being in there.
Speaker 4: Your neighbor, eat, eat your neighbor.
Speaker 1: That's Alex Jones, look at my neighbor's ass right now,
Speaker 1: just thinking I'm a part into it anyway. God, this
Speaker 1: one for me is like the history of it is
Speaker 1: worthy of just a brief overview. So this artist tortured Soul,
Speaker 1: comes out as transgender in college, disowns his parents because
Speaker 1: of their excessive lifestyle. He had a you know, stick
Speaker 1: up his ass over capitalism, uh, industry, and he decides
Speaker 1: to start a movement. Now, if you ask him why
Speaker 1: he decided to start a movement, he had a dream
Speaker 1: one night and in the dream, some form of alien
Speaker 1: that he calls the bean spoke to him. And what
Speaker 1: the being said was.
Speaker 6: Eat your neighbor, eat, eat your neighbor. You then asia youth, youth,
Speaker 6: the asia. Oh, he brings a whole new meaning to
Speaker 6: eating ass.
Speaker 1: I can't find exactly what the being said, I had
Speaker 1: it pulled up earlier, but I compare a phrase here.
Speaker 1: In the dream, the being told Chris that it was
Speaker 1: an alien viewing Earth from a neighboring dimension and that
Speaker 1: it was just the same spiel that you hear a
Speaker 1: lot of these people talk about the alien asked why
Speaker 1: do we trust our leaders that are just leading us
Speaker 1: into this industrial mayhem, and that we were not going
Speaker 1: to be able to sustain as a species. And the
Speaker 1: conversation went on. But he woke up mumbling to himself,
Speaker 1: saved the planet, kill yourself, and that became the slogan
Speaker 1: of the Church of Euthanasia. And so at the time
Speaker 1: Chris was.
Speaker 4: Rudy, why didn't you start with himself?
Speaker 1: Well, a lot of people ask why are you still alive?
Speaker 1: And so, yeah, valid question.
Speaker 4: Oh he doesn't have an answer for that. He does
Speaker 4: save the planet, kill you yourself, but not me.
Speaker 1: He's been quoting as saying everybody should kill himself when
Speaker 1: they feel like it, and if I feel like it,
Speaker 1: I'll do it, and that's my business.
Speaker 4: I guess that's an answer. Sure, you think Kurt Cobain
Speaker 4: was a member, he said this was all the nineties.
Speaker 4: Rage you think Kirk Cobain was a member of the
Speaker 4: Church of Euthanasia?
Speaker 1: No, okay, do we think Kirk killed himself?
Speaker 4: Maybe in another timeline that's why he did.
Speaker 1: It, all right. So, at the time that he had
Speaker 1: this dream, he was living with this guy who was
Speaker 1: I don't remember his first name. His last name's kim Bert,
Speaker 1: and he ended up going by Pastor kim He was
Speaker 1: in that Jerry Springer clip. He was the dude in
Speaker 1: the middle with the cross and.
Speaker 4: What I'm just listening about this cold.
Speaker 1: He is killing me. So he was an activist from
Speaker 1: the nineteen sixties, you know, anti war stuff, quite a protester,
Speaker 1: and he was said to have had a pretty big
Speaker 1: influence on the way Chris viewed the world. So they
Speaker 1: ended up launching this thing together in nineteen ninety two.
Speaker 1: Some of the interviews I've listened to with Chris, he
Speaker 1: says it's as far back as ninety one that it
Speaker 1: was an official religion, but everything points to nineteen ninety two.
Speaker 1: And the way that they went about getting some attention
Speaker 1: was they would go to large public events. They would
Speaker 1: go to protests and counter protest. They would go anywhere,
Speaker 1: like I think one of their first big ones was
Speaker 1: a KKK rally, and they went as anti protesters, but
Speaker 1: they always had their signs that say that had the
Speaker 1: slogans like save the planet, kill yourself. I mean, as
Speaker 1: this thing progresses, they just get weirder. One of them
Speaker 1: was Eat, a queer fetus for Jesus.
Speaker 4: Why does it have to be a queer.
Speaker 1: One because it gets more attention, I would suspect. But
Speaker 1: one of the first things that got major attention was
Speaker 1: a pro life rally and they showed up and they
Speaker 1: had like doll heads on pikes with like bloody heads.
Speaker 1: And it just.
Speaker 4: Makes me feel like this cult got started for the
Speaker 4: one purpose of just fear sensationalism.
Speaker 1: Well, and it is. And while we're on that subject,
Speaker 1: and then we'll get into the four pillars. There's an
Speaker 1: art movement that's called Dada and some people pronounce it data.
Speaker 1: I think it's Dada, Dada da da ar da da.
Speaker 1: Dadism was an anti art, anti war movement. They emerged
Speaker 1: in Switzerland in nineteen sixty during World War One. It
Speaker 1: was a reaction against the perceived madness and absurdity of war,
Speaker 1: challenging traditional artistic values and embracing chants, absurdity, and nonsense.
Speaker 1: Data artists used various media, including collage, photo montage, and
Speaker 1: ready mades to question the meaning of art and its
Speaker 1: role in society. And a lot of this stuff morphed
Speaker 1: into like performance art, like Marina Abramovich type shit or
Speaker 1: just street performers in general, but they really keened in
Speaker 1: on like the trolling aspect and just honing in on
Speaker 1: the absurd and their tactics. Their tactics were very troll like,
Speaker 1: and I think if that word was commonly more commonly
Speaker 1: used in the nineties, I think that kind of came
Speaker 1: around later, but they would have just called these guys trolls.
Speaker 1: Because in Chris Corda's own philosophy, he often contradicts everything
Speaker 1: he stands for. So let's get into the four pillars because,
Speaker 1: as he mentioned in that Jerry Springer clip, the four
Speaker 1: pillars are suicide, abortion.
Speaker 4: Cannibalism, cannibalism.
Speaker 1: What was the fourth sodomy?
Speaker 4: Butt stuff?
Speaker 1: Let's make clear a pillar and let's talk about sodomy,
Speaker 1: because what do you think sodomy is.
Speaker 4: Well, I learned this from you that it's got two definitions,
Speaker 4: but before you told me, I thought it was butt
Speaker 4: stuff and that is the common misconception.
Speaker 1: Well, I would say it is the definition of today.
Speaker 1: If you say sodomy, it's butt stuff. But sodomy is
Speaker 1: a biblical term.
Speaker 4: It just means like.
Speaker 1: It's any sexual act with you that isn't meant for procreation.
Speaker 1: H So, if I beat off and spill my seed.
Speaker 1: Back in the Old Testament days, sodomy is non procreative
Speaker 1: sexual acts. Like you know, a lot of states still
Speaker 1: have sodomy laws. There was certain states that had oral
Speaker 1: sodomy laws, but then as like the.
Speaker 4: The term is not used in the same way anymore.
Speaker 1: No, but as culture advanced, they actually made sodomy only
Speaker 1: about gay dudes having sex with these laws. So the
Speaker 1: misconception Chris talking about nonprocreative sex, well, why.
Speaker 4: Don't he say something besides sodomy? Or is this a
Speaker 4: in for the shock fact.
Speaker 1: Course, because once you sit down with him and ask
Speaker 1: what the four pillars are anywhere near? Dude. I've listened
Speaker 1: to a few podcasts that are like within the last
Speaker 1: few years that have had this guy on and they
Speaker 1: love him and there so one of them is an
Speaker 1: anti natalism podcast, and it's all about spreading the word
Speaker 1: and getting people to not reproduce. So, now, four pillars aside,
Speaker 1: there was only one thing you had to do to
Speaker 1: join this shit blood in No, you had to take
Speaker 1: thou shalt not procreate, and you had to take that vow,
Speaker 1: and if you ended up procreating and bringing the child
Speaker 1: to term, then you're excommunicated. So in the beginning of
Speaker 1: this thing, it only has one hundred to two hundred members.
Speaker 1: And the only thing he asked was that you take
Speaker 1: the vow to never procreate, and you signed or you
Speaker 1: gave over ten dollars. It's a one time membership. So
Speaker 1: these guys weren't about making money, but they had they
Speaker 1: had the merch and he said that, oh please, so
Speaker 1: from bumper stickers alone and save the planet, kill yourself.
Speaker 1: I've seen those bumper stickers and a lot of them
Speaker 1: are knockoffs, but they were started by this group. And
Speaker 1: he said that they sold hundreds and thousands of dollars
Speaker 1: worth the bumper stickers, but they they just put the
Speaker 1: money right back into like making more. And he said,
Speaker 1: all the money that we ever made, we spent and
Speaker 1: we wasted it. And it was never about money. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's an anti capitalist. I would say that, you know,
Speaker 1: that's pretty convenient take for a fucking kid who grew
Speaker 1: up rich and then had the right.
Speaker 4: I'm sure he's had the.
Speaker 1: Luxury of disowning his parents after you know, they'd send
Speaker 1: him to school. Another popular bumpers, well just for just
Speaker 1: for fun at the end of this, I could pull
Speaker 1: up a list of their slogans because they're funny. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you take them fucking literally, they're disgusting. But I
Speaker 1: myself can I consider myself to be an absurdist. I
Speaker 1: find a lot of this shit funny. But the fact is,
Speaker 1: with his encouragement of suicide, it took its toll, and
Speaker 1: to date there's only one person who ever killed themselves
Speaker 1: that they directly linked it to the Church of Euthanasia,
Speaker 1: but he says there was many and proud of it. Well,
Speaker 1: they encouraged members kill yourself and leave like a pamphlet
Speaker 1: next to your body, or have it pulled up on
Speaker 1: your computer. And their website's still active.
Speaker 4: But why don't they just go get a big tat
Speaker 4: across their chest and then go home and kill themselves.
Speaker 4: So everybody knows.
Speaker 1: That seems unnecessary. You could just use a magic marker.
Speaker 1: But anyway, a woman did kill herself. I don't remember
Speaker 1: how old she was, but her parents did a civil suit.
Speaker 1: And he claims there's way more than did on the
Speaker 1: suicide thing. He was very clear that anything should be voluntary.
Speaker 1: He didn't, you know, he didn't condone murder in the
Speaker 1: name of population decrease.
Speaker 4: I think it would be illegal though to encourage it.
Speaker 1: Yes, there's some fine lines that you would have to
Speaker 1: walk in there. And if I remember correctly, they settled
Speaker 1: out of court, but he really backed off on that.
Speaker 1: That happened in two thousand and three. But in nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety nine, in an interview I think it was a
Speaker 1: publication called Shovel. He said, it's a shame that nobody
Speaker 1: has killed themselves and that we've had parents sue us,
Speaker 1: because that would really help us get publicity. So some
Speaker 1: other controversial things they did in what year was this?
Speaker 1: Let me pull it up real quick. In nineteen ninety five,
Speaker 1: they launched the campaign of Unibomber for President.
Speaker 4: Ted Kaczinski Ted Yes for President.
Speaker 1: Yes, and they had T shirts as you can see here. Boy,
Speaker 1: But he linked up with this woman named Lydia Eccles.
Speaker 1: Any relation Damien's older sister.
Speaker 4: Shut the fuck up.
Speaker 1: I have no idea. Oh I don't think he had
Speaker 1: an older sister named Lydia. Wouldn't that just be the
Speaker 1: ship would be because this is ninety five, Yeah, that
Speaker 1: would have been like right in the middle.
Speaker 4: That's why I looked.
Speaker 1: At you crazy she doesn't have her own link. But
Speaker 1: this is one of the things.
Speaker 4: Maybe they're both actors who Damien and his.
Speaker 1: Sister lidd we're not saying their siblings.
Speaker 7: No.
Speaker 1: In fact, at this point I'm willing to say they're
Speaker 1: not because.
Speaker 4: Just saying it's in the nineties and they're both crazy Satanists.
Speaker 1: Okay, Damian eccles is spelled e c ho ls. I
Speaker 1: think so right, Yes, Lydia is eccl ees.
Speaker 4: Ah fuck her.
Speaker 1: Then they're still related though in our eyes.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Anyway, this thing didn't really go anywhere. It was mainly
Speaker 1: just a political stunt, like a lot of things they did.
Speaker 1: And just to clarify on some of the pillars, cannibalism
Speaker 1: when you looked into further explanation that was offered nic Yes,
Speaker 1: well he was for vegan and vegetarianism, so he said,
Speaker 1: if you have to eat meat, make it human. But
Speaker 1: I listened to an interview where he was saying, I
Speaker 1: just flat out said it, like why don't you just
Speaker 1: do you know, there's a lot of these dead people,
Speaker 1: so if it's an already dead person, you should eat
Speaker 1: their flesh. He was saying.
Speaker 4: He was gonna say, kill yourself and let us eat you.
Speaker 1: But he was saying, in a highly advanced society, he
Speaker 1: would just take a lot of this, these people that
Speaker 1: we just put in the ground and just throw them
Speaker 1: in the grinder. At McDonald's. The meat is so highly
Speaker 1: processed that people wouldn't even know the difference, and even
Speaker 1: if they did, they'd probably still eat it.
Speaker 4: I think that's true.
Speaker 1: It's highly prophetic. On his perk, there.
Speaker 4: Is a Jewish guy and I watched an interview with
Speaker 4: him and he said, that's what they do.
Speaker 1: Well, someone of my mom knows they found the fucking
Speaker 1: human tooth in the hamburger patty.
Speaker 4: Human tooth in a hamburger pat That's what I'm talking about. Like,
Speaker 4: I know a lot of people poo pooh this interview
Speaker 4: that I'm talking about, Like he was just bullshitting, but
Speaker 4: he said that they grind up dead kids and they
Speaker 4: put them in the McDonald's hamburger patties.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So uh. I Like to Watch is a music
Speaker 1: video that came out after nine to eleven, and it's
Speaker 1: a techno song, of course, and in the video, it's
Speaker 1: showing hardcore porn interlaced with sports clips interlaced with footage
Speaker 1: of the towers falling, and he said I like to
Speaker 1: watch people in the streets while I beat my meat.
Speaker 1: And there was like he would like masturbate and wipe
Speaker 1: himself with.
Speaker 4: An American flag, This Chris guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was in the music.
Speaker 4: But he's supposed to identify as a girl, and he's
Speaker 4: talking about beating his meat. That's why he's that's why
Speaker 4: he's a heat.
Speaker 1: Okay, I think he was beating his geness and anyway, he.
Speaker 4: Was beating his taint.
Speaker 1: That got about a lot of backlash. Of course, people
Speaker 1: who are even on board with the movement thought it
Speaker 1: was insensitive and also against the tenant that suicide had
Speaker 1: to be voluntary. And of course, whatever you think of
Speaker 1: whoever was in the towers. No, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: yell out there that think it was fake.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 1: I've never seen the twin Towers of you have I
Speaker 1: ever seen have you heard people say that? Shit?
Speaker 4: Well, have you ever seen a million dollars?
Speaker 1: Yes, in person, like a million dollars in cash?
Speaker 4: Yeah? No, but you know it's real, right.
Speaker 1: No, I don't just a bunch of worthless paper, y'all pretendue.
Speaker 4: Bill Gates and Jeff Epstein what are we asking them
Speaker 4: if they've ever seen a million dollars.
Speaker 1: Or if they're members of the Church of Euthanasiah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: to get back to the nine to eleven thing. In
Speaker 1: an interview, he was saying that, you know, we've been
Speaker 1: fucking the world up for so long, and the clear
Speaker 1: symbolism of the entry that the entry wound that the
Speaker 1: plane left in the tower symbolized of vagina, and America's
Speaker 1: penis had now become a vagina, So you know, totally
Speaker 1: putting some transhit in there. Yeah. He started backing off
Speaker 1: from a lot of this in the two thousands, like
Speaker 1: the real weird stuff, just doing anything in general. He
Speaker 1: talked about how any operative knew how and he called
Speaker 1: himself an operative, any operative who knew how to conduct
Speaker 1: themselves in the streets. You know, he said that you
Speaker 1: avoided getting the shit kicked out of him several times.
Speaker 1: I mean, he did get assaulted a lot, especially at
Speaker 1: these you know, you go to these abortion pro life
Speaker 1: or whatever side you're on, both sides are going to
Speaker 1: be there, and both sides are probably going to get
Speaker 1: violent if provoked, and he kind of just backed off.
Speaker 1: In the two thousands, they had a zine that was
Speaker 1: you know what a zene is. It's like basically pirate,
Speaker 1: not pirate, not pirate magazine, is what I wanted to say,
Speaker 1: but more like it was just self published and Zene.
Speaker 1: The Zene culture is pretty big. But he was in
Speaker 1: the middle of all that. Of course he had his
Speaker 1: music stuff going on, pastor vernon.
Speaker 4: You really have music stuff going on. Yes, he was
Speaker 4: listening to that shit.
Speaker 1: I don't know they had one hundred to two hundred. Yes,
Speaker 1: they had one hundred to two hundred members at any
Speaker 1: given time, But then one hundred.
Speaker 4: To two hundred people are listening to that shit.
Speaker 1: But those are just in the flesh members. But if
Speaker 1: you start looking into the ripple this thing had on
Speaker 1: the internet they had, you start looking into people who
Speaker 1: were with the group on that level, and the number
Speaker 1: gets into the thousands, the tens of.
Speaker 4: Thousands, thousands listening to that garbage, whether.
Speaker 1: They're listening to his music or not, they were on
Speaker 1: board with the church. And so this is how I
Speaker 1: want to wrap this up is I think this guy
Speaker 1: definitely felt a lot of what he said, but he
Speaker 1: also was more about being shocking, and so he would
Speaker 1: contradict himself all the time when you listen to him
Speaker 1: now and he's had some interviews, like I said, and
Speaker 1: he talks about how he's changed a lot of how
Speaker 1: he felt when he started this thing, and he claims
Speaker 1: he's not about killing people. He never wanted like a
Speaker 1: mass suicide event. But also when the Heaven's Gates thing happened,
Speaker 1: he had a public thing where he recorded himself and
Speaker 1: there was people all around there and he had a
Speaker 1: celebration and he kissed How many people died in Heavens Gates,
Speaker 1: like one hundred and something, No.
Speaker 4: Not that many. I want to put it in the
Speaker 4: double digits, like fifty maybe thirty four, twenty seven, thirty nine.
Speaker 1: Thirty nine victims or are the victims, But he kissed
Speaker 1: thirty nine earthworms in celebration of each suicide. Like this
Speaker 1: is a joke, could I mean, we've talked about that
Speaker 1: aspect of it.
Speaker 4: It's a humor.
Speaker 1: And he said he he really just wanted to shift
Speaker 1: the conversation. And as you've seen, he may have been
Speaker 1: a little ahead of his time, but this is really
Speaker 1: caught on, especially the you know, not procreating the youth
Speaker 1: in Asia. Shit is huge in Canada and this is
Speaker 1: the part that I left till the end because in
Speaker 1: the in the mid nineties, they were pressed by the
Speaker 1: government DIRS in particular, on you guys are going to
Speaker 1: have to take some steps to become an official religion,
Speaker 1: and they did. They filed the paperwork, and you know what,
Speaker 1: the IRS told them, kill yourself. They said, you are
Speaker 1: not You don't qualify as a religion, but you can
Speaker 1: qualify as an educational foundation. And so they got tax
Speaker 1: exempt status in the United States. Government told these crazy
Speaker 1: fucks that they were an educational foundation. Now, I think
Speaker 1: the implications of that are fucking crazy, because you see
Speaker 1: like the WEF and all their fucking people talking about
Speaker 1: this shit, and the fucking i r S told these
Speaker 1: guys that they qualified as an educational foundation.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: And that's that's what I wanted to close on, was
Speaker 1: just how crazy this is. In a recent interview, I
Speaker 1: think it was just a couple of years go, Chris said,
Speaker 1: this thing is taking off again. He doesn't want anything
Speaker 1: to do with it. He said he got tired of,
Speaker 1: you know, the publicity, and he's working in his music.
Speaker 1: The pastor vermin or whatever the fuck his name was,
Speaker 1: the guy that had the guy that had the face
Speaker 1: mask on. Yeah, he quit the church to fucking pursue
Speaker 1: a career in politics.
Speaker 4: What yes, and you said Margaret Singer.
Speaker 1: Margaret Singer was an ordained saint along with Kavorkian. Of
Speaker 1: these of this group.
Speaker 4: So wow, how any other famous members?
Speaker 1: No, they had some people maybe the names you would recognize,
Speaker 1: celebrities and whatnot, who spoke in favor of what they
Speaker 1: were doing. But they never had anybody. No, say what
Speaker 1: you want about Brian.
Speaker 4: He's an r guy, you think.
Speaker 1: But let's look just for fun. Let's look up some
Speaker 1: of their slogans. Thank you for not breeding human extinction
Speaker 1: while we still can eat people, not animals, Peace, love
Speaker 1: and sterility, make love or make love not babies, and
Speaker 1: just shit like that. I implore all of you well
Speaker 1: look up for look up some of Chris Cord's techno music.
Speaker 1: Give the website a peruse. It's all fun shit.
Speaker 4: Which part of this were you on board with?
Speaker 1: You said, Well, when I was in my early twenties,
Speaker 1: I really believed a lot of this existential fucking.
Speaker 4: You thought people should kill them so no, I thought.
Speaker 1: I thought pro creating was stupid when I was in
Speaker 1: my early twenties.
Speaker 4: Well, you sure have changed from that. Well, what made
Speaker 4: you change your mind?
Speaker 1: I understood that it's all.
Speaker 4: Bullshit and it's propaganda.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I mean I was probably close to thirty
Speaker 1: when I really started thinking this climate change shit was
Speaker 1: all fake. I mean I believed in a lot of it.
Speaker 4: And I didn't meet you in your twenties. I would
Speaker 4: have thought you were a real d bag.
Speaker 1: I probably would have thought you were too, because you
Speaker 1: would have been what nine, that's just little crazy bitch
Speaker 1: even talking to me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm gonna start cosmic peach.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you met me when I was in my
Speaker 1: early twenties, that would have been weird. Oh yeah, babysit
Speaker 1: you I forgot.
Speaker 4: Were you a member of the Children of God?
Speaker 1: I got out with Joaquin Phoenix?
Speaker 4: I thought so because you did some weird stuff when
Speaker 4: he was babysitting me. Those front robes. Here we are,
Speaker 4: all these years later, still getting front robes.
Speaker 1: It's a good front rube technique I got.
Speaker 4: Remember I said in the last episode, you love molestation,
Speaker 4: especially by me?
Speaker 1: All right, cheer turn.
Speaker 4: So wait, you didn't write it? And first, what is
Speaker 4: the unit of measures?
Speaker 1: Well, the funny thing is about here Jesus fetus. Okay,
Speaker 1: But the funny thing about this one is when you
Speaker 1: listen to a lot of people break this down, they
Speaker 1: come away going, was this even a cult? I think
Speaker 1: it was, but I think it's more of a modern cult.
Speaker 4: If somebody killed themselves behind it, it's a cult.
Speaker 1: One person doesn't matter. Yeah, and I still hear no remorse.
Speaker 1: When he talks about the fact that people were killing
Speaker 1: themselves over this, he says it was a mistake.
Speaker 4: One confirmed. He said there was ment.
Speaker 1: He said, there is definitely a cult. He said there
Speaker 1: was also people sending them pictures of them eating human flesh. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Cult.
Speaker 1: So there was some inspired cannibalists, or at least people
Speaker 1: who were working with him. He said, some of them
Speaker 1: were sent right to our website, and we decided not
Speaker 1: to post them because they looked too brutal. Oh fuck,
Speaker 1: I give it out of ten queer baby Jesus, fetus,
Speaker 1: queer fetus, dear fetus, Baby Jesus.
Speaker 4: How many six I'm giving it? What are the what
Speaker 4: are the pillars of our rating system?
Speaker 1: You have your whatever pillar you want.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go on this one. Creativity points and shockability
Speaker 4: nine queer fetuses for Jesus on shockability and what I say, creativity.
Speaker 1: You have to eat nine Jesus fetuses.
Speaker 4: Now I'm not eating shit, but that's my rating.
Speaker 1: I only have to eat six, and I won't even
Speaker 1: been done with your third by the time I'm done
Speaker 1: with my six.
Speaker 4: I'd ask you if you joined, but you already said
Speaker 4: you would have.
Speaker 1: No, I wouldn't have joined. I just to me, it's
Speaker 1: very like Project Mayhem.
Speaker 4: It is esque.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, and I definitely think that he was
Speaker 1: an operative.
Speaker 4: He called himself he called himself one.
Speaker 1: An operative for his cause. Could have been the context
Speaker 1: of that statement. But when you have the United States
Speaker 1: government giving you tax exempt status as an educational foundation
Speaker 1: with the shit you're preaching here, because.
Speaker 4: You hear that, you have to understand that they want
Speaker 4: this agenda.
Speaker 1: That's why I saved that till the end. I mean this.
Speaker 1: You could look at a speech that Chris Korda was
Speaker 1: giving in the late nineties and it's no different than
Speaker 1: the shit they say at the World Economic Forum. That
Speaker 1: thing they have every year.
Speaker 4: Is that your cult and my cult are very similar
Speaker 4: in ways.
Speaker 1: That's why I was choosing between the two.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, I was gonna say it's oddly similar.
Speaker 1: I went, like, what's still going on today? You got
Speaker 1: to put in some current issues like trans stuff.
Speaker 4: And eating fetuses.
Speaker 1: Well, sure you still eat at McDonald's.
Speaker 4: Don't tell them.
Speaker 1: That she doesn't.
Speaker 4: I like a hot apple pie.
Speaker 1: I hate to tell you that's not chunks of pie.
Speaker 1: The queer fetuses taste extra cinnamon and eat sennem on cults.
Speaker 1: It's all tied together. All right. I'm gonna go refill
Speaker 1: my beverage, and then.
Speaker 4: It's your turn make fetus.
Speaker 1: Can I have a file of fetus?
Speaker 4: So this is the path you did not travel down.
Speaker 4: So made the best cult win.
Speaker 1: I'm taking credit for this even if it doesn't.
Speaker 2: Win that you can.
Speaker 4: I scouted it out because you said you didn't want it.
Speaker 4: So if this cult wins, then no.
Speaker 1: I told you the two that I was looking into,
Speaker 1: and you hijacked one of them.
Speaker 4: I said it sounded You said, what sounds more interesting
Speaker 4: the Church of Youth in Asia or the Twin Flames cult.
Speaker 4: And I said the Twin Flames.
Speaker 1: Cult, Twin Flames Universe. Excuse me, Yeah, it's not a cult.
Speaker 1: Jared Leto is a nice guy, just listening to music.
Speaker 1: Up there, just like ustling.
Speaker 4: But anyways, may the best cult win.
Speaker 1: I'm rooting for you because he usually lose.
Speaker 4: Well, I did a Colby style deep dive on this cult,
Speaker 4: so I'm not skipping to the punchline. You're gonna have
Speaker 4: to sit through the whole presentation enjoy it.
Speaker 1: I will. What do you.
Speaker 4: Remember of the Twin Flames universe?
Speaker 1: Well, I, you know, surface level researched both of these
Speaker 1: two to decide. We're trying to decide which one I
Speaker 1: wanted to do. You're asking what I remember from that?
Speaker 4: No, I mean was there something in particular you said, Oh,
Speaker 4: this one's not that interesting.
Speaker 1: No, I think it is interesting. Oh okay, it's got
Speaker 1: the elements of not astrology.
Speaker 4: New Age spiritualism is what they call it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the twin Flame thing does spill over into astrology.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And they have trans stuff and they have internet stocking.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Crazy. So I think this one is going to be good.
Speaker 4: No, it's gonna be good. I was gonna say that.
Speaker 4: What sucks about it is you know how I feel
Speaker 4: about New Age spiritualism, and I dislike it a lot.
Speaker 1: I think you need to meditate. Put a crystal in
Speaker 1: your ass. And align your chakras before you.
Speaker 4: Say, I don't want to align my chunkras. I don't
Speaker 4: want to put any crystals in my bee hole. I
Speaker 4: don't want to do any of that.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying, though, is sorry, Jonathan.
Speaker 4: I already show going.
Speaker 1: You're on this guy's fucking platform talking shit.
Speaker 4: Well, I knows how I feel, But I already knew
Speaker 4: going into this that I was gonna have like a
Speaker 4: bias against it because I just don't understand people who
Speaker 4: get involved with this kind of stuff. But anyways, there
Speaker 4: are aspects of it where I kind of get it,
Speaker 4: And so I'm like you, I don't know if, like
Speaker 4: maybe twenty two year old Cosmic Peach would have joined
Speaker 4: this fucking cult. It's weird to say that, but I
Speaker 4: am so judging you right now, just like you judged
Speaker 4: me for wanting to euthanize people. All Right, here it goes.
Speaker 4: Are you ready? Twin Flames Universe or TFU is an
Speaker 4: American cult founded in twenty seventeen run by Jeff and
Speaker 4: Shealia Divine, but their last name is actually a on
Speaker 4: ay An. They just call themselves Jeff and Sheilia Divine.
Speaker 1: Their last name is legitimately aon m M. That's just
Speaker 1: as cool when they just stick with that.
Speaker 4: Because they're fucking douchebags. But so, the group's practices are
Speaker 4: based on elements of New Age spiritualism regarding soulmates, which
Speaker 4: was popularized in the early two thousands. So Jeff actually
Speaker 4: went to business school and he always would tell his
Speaker 4: friends that he was going to be a millionaire one day,
Speaker 4: and that.
Speaker 1: Guy we all had that guy in our group.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well he actually graduated and shit, he went through
Speaker 4: business school and he was just like a jerk off
Speaker 4: that was like, I'm going to be a millionaire one day.
Speaker 4: And he also brag to his friends that one day
Speaker 4: he was going to start a cult. So he does
Speaker 4: some online dating and shit, and he meets someone named
Speaker 4: Megan Plant who later renames herself Sheilia Divide.
Speaker 1: Oh it's her, Yeah, but we're going I thought he
Speaker 1: was gonna go through a life lesson with the Megan Plant.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 1: No, so he sounds like a plant.
Speaker 4: She she's the one who started him down the New
Speaker 4: Age spiritual awakening tarot cards path. He wasn't into any
Speaker 4: of this before he met her.
Speaker 1: And uh Llina is a powerful thing that.
Speaker 4: In her petuli pits. I'm sure just reeled him right in.
Speaker 4: So because Jeff is always saying like, I'm gonna be
Speaker 4: a millionaire one day, I'm gonna start a cold, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna do this, I'm gonna he literally thinks of himself
Speaker 4: as like above average, superior, like and he gets learning
Speaker 4: shit from this Megan Plant aka Shalia, and basically Jeff
Speaker 4: takes her crazy ideas and shit and decides he wants
Speaker 4: to start capitalizing on it, and he starts several websites
Speaker 4: for money, and he claims on that these different websites
Speaker 4: that he has a gift and he can heal any illness,
Speaker 4: including cancer, for a price.
Speaker 1: I remember something about the prices. I don't want to
Speaker 1: jump ahead because I'm sure you'll say it.
Speaker 4: Well, this is like his dipping his toe in the water, right.
Speaker 1: I know somebody who actually did this.
Speaker 4: Says they could heal anything.
Speaker 1: They used this dude's service twin flames, something to do
Speaker 1: with twin flames.
Speaker 4: And you no, No, that's truly something she'd be into.
Speaker 4: Wait till I get into it. So he keeps on
Speaker 4: this whole. It wasn't just one website. He had different
Speaker 4: names for himself, and he had several different websites basically
Speaker 4: selling the same shit like this, I have a gift
Speaker 4: and for you know, the low price of seven thousand dollars,
Speaker 4: I can heal you of your ass, fungus or whatever
Speaker 4: it is that you have. But he realizes the real
Speaker 4: money is not in illness, it's.
Speaker 1: In true love. So it's a thirsty market.
Speaker 4: Let me ask you this before I continue the presentation.
Speaker 4: What is a twin flame to you?
Speaker 1: To me.
Speaker 4: Your definition of twin flame? Please, sir, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Best guess I know what the definition is. You asked
Speaker 1: what I think it is? Like, do I believe it? Well,
Speaker 1: it's like a soulmate, but like soul mat on steroids.
Speaker 1: In fact, I think that's how they described it in
Speaker 1: one of their videos. Have you seen that.
Speaker 4: I've seen all of them.
Speaker 1: So did they say that, Yeah.
Speaker 4: Pretty much, That's how they kind of generalize it. But like,
Speaker 4: what are your thoughts on it?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think soulmates are real, but I
Speaker 1: think that you probably have thousands, and I.
Speaker 4: Think you're you can be soulmates with parents, friends, well,
Speaker 4: and like the it doesn't have to I guess I
Speaker 4: should just say I don't think it has to be
Speaker 4: romantic soulmates. I don't think they're that it necessarily has
Speaker 4: to be romantic.
Speaker 1: In some Eastern philosophical models, they talk about like a
Speaker 1: soul group, a soul tribe, and you come back and
Speaker 1: play different roles to each other, but you're always traveling
Speaker 1: through lifetimes together. I think Kurt Vonnegut wrote a book
Speaker 1: about it. I don't remember which one it was. That's
Speaker 1: great old But yeah, so you could have many soulmates.
Speaker 1: You can jive with people on that level, but like,
Speaker 1: your true soulmate is your twin flame. And I've heard
Speaker 1: people who are big into astrology talk about how you
Speaker 1: don't even have to be romantic with your two flame.
Speaker 4: But I don't know, do you believe in the concept romantically.
Speaker 1: I think it's just too permanent for what I believe. Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you reshuffle the deck and have
Speaker 1: a new twin flame every once in a while, or
Speaker 1: if it's just like through all time and existence, that's
Speaker 1: your one soulmate.
Speaker 4: Well, this is how, this is the actual definition of it,
Speaker 4: and then I'm gonna explain my thoughts on it. So,
Speaker 4: in spiritualism, a twin flame is the other half of
Speaker 4: a soul and it's a deep and often intense connection,
Speaker 4: believed to be a mirror of yourself. And it's the
Speaker 4: concept of one soul splitting into two bodies, often experiencing
Speaker 4: a shared sense of familiarity and mirroring of each other's strengths, weaknesses,
Speaker 4: and vulnerabilities. Does that make more sense.
Speaker 1: It's kind of it's kind of masturbatory. But they like
Speaker 1: your one true soul is just the other half of you.
Speaker 4: That's why they always say that it's usually romantic because
Speaker 4: it's like the mirrored version of yourself and another person,
Speaker 4: and that you're meant to meet this person two but.
Speaker 1: It's like one soul cut in half.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's crazy, you're and then you meet them and
Speaker 4: you're supposed to help each other overcome your weaknesses and
Speaker 4: vulnerabilities because sometimes you can't see it in yourself, but
Speaker 4: you can see it in your twin flame, and you
Speaker 4: help each other get past those purdles, one in the same.
Speaker 4: Does that make sense?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get the concept. It just seems weird to
Speaker 1: me that you would want to be romantic with you.
Speaker 1: It's like half of you.
Speaker 4: That's the idea of the twin floor.
Speaker 1: I get it, but you don't. You don't see what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. No I do.
Speaker 4: But so I feel like it's important to explain that
Speaker 4: before we go on in this because.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, it's like the whole base of their lia it's.
Speaker 4: The whole basis of how this group got started. And
Speaker 4: if you I mean, they're talking about true love here
Speaker 4: basically like to find this one split off piece of
Speaker 4: yourself out there somewhere and be with them forever.
Speaker 1: Okay, it seems.
Speaker 4: Like an attractive idea, right, your truest love.
Speaker 1: But in their model, can you have true love with
Speaker 1: anybody that's not your twin flame? Or does it have to.
Speaker 4: Be it has to be your twin flame?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 4: But so the actual term twin flame was coined by
Speaker 4: an English novelist her name is Marie Corelli, in an
Speaker 4: eighteen eighty six novel called A Romance of Two Worlds.
Speaker 4: So the term itself didn't come from esotericism or spiritualism.
Speaker 4: It's just a term that was used to describe this
Speaker 4: feeling of meeting someone who is your other half that
Speaker 4: they now used to describe this whole soul mirroring thing.
Speaker 1: You complete me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So after that book in eighteen eighty six came out.
Speaker 4: There was an American spiritualist named Elizabeth Prophet who popularized
Speaker 4: the concept of twin flames by writing another book in
Speaker 4: nineteen ninety nine called Soulmates and Twin Flames, The Spiritual
Speaker 4: Dimension of Love and Relationships, and in that book she
Speaker 4: mixes Hindu, Buddhist, and Evangelical Christian beliefs to argue that
Speaker 4: twin flames are two people with a permanent divine connection
Speaker 4: required for both to reach enlightenment or salvation. And since
Speaker 4: Elizabeth published that book and popularized the term, twin flames
Speaker 4: is used in New Age spiritualism forums and even more
Speaker 4: esoteric versions of the concept have been developed, and much
Speaker 4: like the idea of soulmates, one has no control over
Speaker 4: who their twin flame is, and usually the twin flame
Speaker 4: reflects one's own personality, and the infatuation with twin flames
Speaker 4: has led to unhealthy and problematic behaviors as we will
Speaker 4: be discussing today, but actually in twenty fourteen, Ryan Gosling
Speaker 4: filed a restraining order against a fan who claimed to
Speaker 4: be his twin flame, and they later found out that
Speaker 4: she was part of the twin Flames universe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is not an isolated one, right.
Speaker 4: So this stalking idea and stuff will get into later.
Speaker 4: But the obsession and infatuation with finding your twin flame
Speaker 4: and the idea that the other one wouldn't know who.
Speaker 1: They are.
Speaker 4: Has gotten people to go a little batshit. Any thoughts
Speaker 4: on this so far?
Speaker 1: Uh? I just want to know how she thought Ryan
Speaker 1: Goslin was hers because because she saw him in some movies,
Speaker 1: because basically she doesn't know his personality. She was never
Speaker 1: in contact with that.
Speaker 4: I will explain this later on. Actually, just remind me
Speaker 4: because I don't want to get too far ahead of myself.
Speaker 4: But it's all part of this twin Flames universe shit.
Speaker 4: So the the twin Flames universe started with these two
Speaker 4: complete idiots Jeff and Shelia renamed making videos on YouTube,
Speaker 4: and then they decided they were going to start online
Speaker 4: classes for those searching for their twin flame because they
Speaker 4: said that they were twin flames and that they could
Speaker 4: help other people find theirs because they had found each other.
Speaker 4: Does that make sense?
Speaker 1: Yeah, experienced travelers in the twin Flame universe.
Speaker 4: So if you could guess how much their beginning class costed,
Speaker 4: what would you say.
Speaker 1: Three hundred and thirty three dollars.
Speaker 4: Close, but no cigar. It started with two hundred and
Speaker 4: twenty two dollars a month for twelve months.
Speaker 1: But as they go.
Speaker 4: On, oh, it starts getting ridiculous.
Speaker 1: I saw a package on their basic current thing for
Speaker 1: three thirty three, and then goes up to six sixty six,
Speaker 1: and then for premium it's eighty eight. Yep, and it
Speaker 1: starts at two twenty two.
Speaker 4: I see, I didn't see their very first class. This
Speaker 4: is the conception of twin Flames universe. It was just
Speaker 4: the one class.
Speaker 1: So they've just done away with that too, too too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was to twenty two for twelve months. So
Speaker 4: what would the total of that be? Two twenty two
Speaker 4: for twelve months? You tell me two thousand, six hundred
Speaker 4: and sixty four dollars a year for their class.
Speaker 1: Oh, I was expecting it to be a more cryptic number.
Speaker 4: But how about this. In the beginning, there were thirty
Speaker 4: eight thousand people enrolled in their course, and that number
Speaker 4: has only grown. So if you take that.
Speaker 1: Two thousand, do it?
Speaker 4: So what I say? It was twenty six hundred.
Speaker 1: About twenty six sixty two times.
Speaker 4: Times thirty eight thousand.
Speaker 1: That's one hundred and one million dollars and.
Speaker 4: Some in one year. They made that fuck.
Speaker 1: Biscape really capitalized on it, you remember.
Speaker 4: Because he said, I'm going to start a cold, I'm
Speaker 4: going to be a millionaire.
Speaker 1: And he's pretty young at this point. Yep, he's still young.
Speaker 4: Well yeah, but it's not as popular as it used
Speaker 4: to be. We'll just say that.
Speaker 1: Well, hopefully he saved some of that money.
Speaker 4: Now. All their teachings were centered around doing this thing
Speaker 4: called the mirror exercise, because it's twin flames, right, And
Speaker 4: they would make you like sit and look at yourself
Speaker 4: in the mirror, and if you felt like you had
Speaker 4: blockages in your life, you had to internalize them and
Speaker 4: say I feel this way because of me, and you
Speaker 4: had to do this shadow work let's just call it. Basically,
Speaker 4: like all New Age colts, you gotta work on yourself
Speaker 4: and shit in order to draw your twin flame in.
Speaker 4: You can't just want it and have it. You have
Speaker 4: to do your shadow work in your mirror exercising.
Speaker 1: And I'm not against shadow work, but I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: steer in the mirror.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that was part of it, because your twin
Speaker 4: flame is the mirror of you. So if you can't
Speaker 4: confront you and deal with your blockages, then you're never
Speaker 4: gonna find your twin flame. As essentially the premise behind it.
Speaker 4: So Jeff and Sally were the only ones who could
Speaker 4: confirm that you had a twin flame because they were
Speaker 4: the ones that had the special gift. And if they
Speaker 4: confirmed that you had met your twin flame and they
Speaker 4: approved of them and your union with them, they would
Speaker 4: start a GoFundMe for you and raise thousands of dollars
Speaker 4: and give it to the new couple to help them
Speaker 4: start their lives. But they were only allowed to use
Speaker 4: the money on what Jeff Atalia said they could use
Speaker 4: it for down to the curtains in their new house.
Speaker 1: Fuckingchs.
Speaker 4: So I have a little story to tell you about
Speaker 4: the first twin flame couple that they approved of.
Speaker 1: I bet you it's a happy ending. They're they're together,
Speaker 1: they have grandkids now. Fuck no.
Speaker 4: So it's funny because it kind of reminded me of
Speaker 4: us on like a weird level. The couple.
Speaker 1: Should we just tell everybody what that's how we really met?
Speaker 4: Yeah, twin Flames universe, everybody.
Speaker 1: That cover story.
Speaker 4: So the chick's name is Keeley and the guy's name
Speaker 4: is Colby. And they met each other right and she
Speaker 4: had this big, huge crush on him and they dated
Speaker 4: for a little while, but he was like, ah, you know,
Speaker 4: I'm not ready for anything serious. And she ended up
Speaker 4: moving to Arizona to live with her sister, and she
Speaker 4: said she could to get him out of her mind,
Speaker 4: and she started this twin Flames universe, and she mentioned
Speaker 4: to Jeff and Shelia that she could not get Colby
Speaker 4: off her mind, and they said, well, you need to
Speaker 4: pursue him at all costs, even if it means stocking him,
Speaker 4: et cetera, et cetera. So she ends up reaching back
Speaker 4: out to Colby and he's like, you know, I've been
Speaker 4: thinking about you too. So she drops everything, just puts
Speaker 4: a few things in a suitcase, puts it in the
Speaker 4: back of her car, and she moves to.
Speaker 1: Oregon, Oregon. He's in Arizona.
Speaker 4: No, she was in Oregon, moved to Arizona. They reconnected.
Speaker 4: She left everything she had moved back to Oregon to
Speaker 4: be with Colby.
Speaker 1: I have an ex girlfriend named Kylee.
Speaker 4: By the way, is she ginger? Because this one was ginger.
Speaker 1: I didn't want you to find out this way.
Speaker 4: Shut up?
Speaker 1: Do you believe me?
Speaker 4: Fuck you?
Speaker 1: Anyways, it'd be true. Though.
Speaker 4: They were the one of the first couples that Jeff
Speaker 4: and Salia were like, we approve of this, that's your
Speaker 4: twin flame be together.
Speaker 1: So she literally did they give him a fucking choice.
Speaker 1: Went They reach out to him and be like, hey,
Speaker 1: before we do our twin flame union for the small
Speaker 1: press of two hundred and twenty two dollars.
Speaker 4: A month for twelve, are you into this?
Speaker 1: Bitch?
Speaker 4: He said he had been thinking about her too, and
Speaker 4: they rekindled or whatever. So when she moved in with him,
Speaker 4: she got back on the online chat group and said,
Speaker 4: we're together, We're twin flames. And so they used Keeley
Speaker 4: and Colby as like the poster child for their course
Speaker 4: because everybody wanted to find what they had and they
Speaker 4: were given Jeff and Shelia's blessing. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1: No? But yes, what do you mean?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: I mean it makes sense. But I asked if this
Speaker 1: had a happy ending and.
Speaker 4: You said no, Well they're no longer together. But so
Speaker 4: in twenty eighteen, they did their first in person meetup
Speaker 4: because until that point had all been online with the classes,
Speaker 4: and they introduced this thing called the sole family concept,
Speaker 4: and basically it was to get rid of your biological
Speaker 4: family because they were toxic to you and they were
Speaker 4: going to keep you from finding your twin flame.
Speaker 1: As all colts go, I was gonna say, this one
Speaker 1: is way more so textbook than the euthanasia focks, right.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's get rid of your family. That's the
Speaker 4: first concept they introduce. And also at this meeting, they
Speaker 4: introduced calling in your twin flame, which is basically they
Speaker 4: all start chanting with one specific person in the middle,
Speaker 4: and in this case, it was a girl named Marley
Speaker 4: who was Keeley's sister. Keeley got she was so involved
Speaker 4: in this shit she got her sister in with the
Speaker 4: cult of and so they put Marlee in the middle
Speaker 4: of this chanting circle and they were like, we know
Speaker 4: you've already met your twin flame. It might even be
Speaker 4: a random person that has that has messaged you on
Speaker 4: Facebook recently. And she's like really, and they're like, yeah,
Speaker 4: check your Facebook messages. And there was a random fucking
Speaker 4: guy in her inbox that had sent her a song
Speaker 4: and said he thought she was cute. And Jeff and
Speaker 4: Shelia was like, that's it, that's your soulmate. His name
Speaker 4: is Joshua. He turned out to be a fucking schizophrenic
Speaker 4: living in a fucking halfway house that would like throw
Speaker 4: shit on the walls and like literally, and they said,
Speaker 4: that's your twin flip. She moved all the way to
Speaker 4: Bumfuck to be with this guy in the halfway house,
Speaker 4: schizophrenic and all and just she would get on the
Speaker 4: group chat and be like, I don't think this is
Speaker 4: my twin flame, and they would say it is.
Speaker 1: You just gotta live with his fucking crazy.
Speaker 4: They said it was it's her fault he acted that
Speaker 4: way because she hadn't worked through all of her blockages
Speaker 4: in order to make him.
Speaker 1: Well God damn.
Speaker 4: So they also told people who would randomly say like,
Speaker 4: I think I found my twin flame. But he's married
Speaker 4: and he's got two kids, and his wife's pregnant right now,
Speaker 4: and they'd be like, stalk him, do whatever you can,
Speaker 4: pursue him at all.
Speaker 1: Costs, kill his family.
Speaker 4: It did not matter to them day.
Speaker 1: But they didn't murder anybody over this shit.
Speaker 4: Well, we'll get into it.
Speaker 1: I'm hopeful that's a yes.
Speaker 8: But so.
Speaker 4: This is the tenants of being in the twin flame universe.
Speaker 4: Pursue your twin flame at all costs, even if they're
Speaker 4: married and they have a wife that's pregnant and has kids,
Speaker 4: even if there's schizophrenic that's throws shit on the walls.
Speaker 4: There your twin flame, and go be with them.
Speaker 1: I want to hear the song he sent her.
Speaker 4: It was just some random song off YouTube.
Speaker 1: Oh, I thought it was like a song he made.
Speaker 4: No, he was like, oh I saw you on and
Speaker 4: I thought you were cute. Here's this song, and they said,
Speaker 4: that's your twin flame. Go be with him. And he
Speaker 4: was a legitimate, like fucking crazy person.
Speaker 1: We're Keeley's sister, Marley.
Speaker 4: I know she was nineteen nineteen.
Speaker 1: The guy could have like fucking snapped out and killed her.
Speaker 4: It's like thirty and crazed, like a lunatic.
Speaker 1: You just had this gift fall into his lap in
Speaker 1: this crazy ass fucking state.
Speaker 4: So Jeff and Schelia also said that the twin flame
Speaker 4: thing was all about having great sex, and that's.
Speaker 1: Also the tenets of being crazy. You're well, you're always
Speaker 1: good at fucking right. They said, you are out there.
Speaker 4: That's basically what twin flames are all about is great
Speaker 4: sex and you need to have sex with your man
Speaker 4: every day, according to Jeff. And if you got in
Speaker 4: the group chat and you said, oh, me and my
Speaker 4: partner have been struggling because I haven't been one need
Speaker 4: to have sex, No, like he would if you went
Speaker 4: like two days without fucking your man, he would shame
Speaker 4: you and publicly embarrass you if you.
Speaker 1: Jeff, Yes, what what's his gay hippy name again?
Speaker 4: Divine Jeff? Divine?
Speaker 1: Oh, he kept Jeff. Yeah, but she went from Meghan
Speaker 1: to Shaliah Shaliah.
Speaker 4: And so what none of the documentaries will tell you
Speaker 4: that I know because I listened to Shelia talk about
Speaker 4: this stuff in her videos. Is all of her information
Speaker 4: that she is regurgitating about.
Speaker 1: No, oh, thank god.
Speaker 4: All of the information she's regurgitating about this sex stuff
Speaker 4: is word for word, literally verbatim. Ripped off this other
Speaker 4: influencer woman in the esoteric sphere named kim Anami, and
Speaker 4: she this Kiminami is also a millionaire. No, and she
Speaker 4: rips millions of women off with this idea of the
Speaker 4: sexual yoni crap. And her classes are also thousands of
Speaker 4: dollars and I've.
Speaker 1: I guarantee you I've dated some women who are in
Speaker 1: the Kimmina Me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, her classes are like thousands of dollars and
Speaker 4: the beginner one is like four thousand dollars to teach
Speaker 4: you how to squirt and ah. So basically Sheliah is
Speaker 4: just ripping off a bunch of this stuff from this
Speaker 4: other total huckster who's ripping thousands of dollars off people,
Speaker 4: and she slipped it. Yeah, probably, well yeah, but basically
Speaker 4: the point of that is these two are literally just
Speaker 4: con artists. And they would even tell members of Twin
Speaker 4: Flames Universe that restraining orders don't matter because they would
Speaker 4: start stalking these men, and these men would get restraining orders.
Speaker 1: In bik Ryan Goslin.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and they would say, who cares still show up at.
Speaker 1: Their house at all costs, at all costs.
Speaker 4: So it continues to spiral and they keep telling people
Speaker 4: this shit, and one of the members was eventually arrested
Speaker 4: for stalking someone and violating a restraining order, and she
Speaker 4: was in jail for over a month, and as soon
Speaker 4: as she got out of jail, she went right back
Speaker 4: to the online classes.
Speaker 1: Okay, so she got to swap in her twin flame
Speaker 1: or did she know?
Speaker 4: They said, even though you went to jail, that's your
Speaker 4: twin flame. Keep pursuing him at all costs.
Speaker 1: I don't think she needs to go to classes. She's
Speaker 1: proven that she's on board, like she's gonna.
Speaker 4: Well, she would say, what do I do now? I
Speaker 4: just went to jail.
Speaker 1: I just you know, this shit goes long. It goes
Speaker 1: on long enough. It's a matter of time before somebody
Speaker 1: gets fucking killed over it, right, and you stock people.
Speaker 1: One of the parties is eventually gonna have enough and
Speaker 1: take it to the next level.
Speaker 4: The big fat ladies in the group started stalking a
Speaker 4: gay guy and said that was her twin flame.
Speaker 1: Ah, she's got it And he.
Speaker 4: Said, bitch, I don't watch you, and she said, fuck you,
Speaker 4: you're my twin flame, and he filed a restraining order
Speaker 4: against her, and she still wouldn't stop.
Speaker 1: Of course, story is old as time.
Speaker 4: So after a while they decided they needed to expand
Speaker 4: their horizons and if they couldn't get people with the
Speaker 4: twin flame courses, they thought they could get people with
Speaker 4: something called the mind alignment process, and offered new courses
Speaker 4: upwards of four thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: Of course, not four four four four whatever.
Speaker 4: Four thousand is broken up into twelve month payments. Here's
Speaker 4: the thing, though, They found this doctor to kind of
Speaker 4: lead the program and become the CEO, and her name
Speaker 4: was doctor Chrissy k and also happens to be a
Speaker 4: high ranking member of the military. And this course was
Speaker 4: supposed to be for people who had PTSD or some
Speaker 4: kind of trauma to help them heal. But doctor chrisy
Speaker 4: K though, ended up using techniques not to heal trauma,
Speaker 4: but to instead implant memories in these people's minds of
Speaker 4: childhood sexual abuse.
Speaker 1: What m military intelligence or just high ranking military.
Speaker 4: Well, I'll get into that. So basically you could tell,
Speaker 4: among other things, the end goal is always separation from
Speaker 4: the family. And she would say things like, you can't
Speaker 4: manifest your twin flame or your dreams because you're stuck
Speaker 4: around toxic abusers your family because they abused you as
Speaker 4: a child. And they would say, oh, I don't remember that,
Speaker 4: and then she'd hypnotize them, and then all of a
Speaker 4: sudden they'd be like, oh, yeah, I was diddled.
Speaker 1: This is like the reverse of that fucking false memory
Speaker 1: syndrome claim.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, it is the false memory syndrome thing, but
Speaker 4: in real life.
Speaker 1: But the other way right, so or no, I guess
Speaker 1: it's the same, isn't it.
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 4: The kids had real memories and they said that they
Speaker 4: were false, But this.
Speaker 1: Is like the reality of what they claimed was going on, right,
Speaker 1: So Jesus, this is why I always say hypnotism is
Speaker 1: always voluntary. I don't think you can be hypnotized.
Speaker 4: Unless you know you get into that consent.
Speaker 1: Did the fucking flicker it on your TV? We can
Speaker 1: get into all that shit. But just as far as
Speaker 1: letting another person put you under, I believe in it
Speaker 1: one hundred percent. But you got to understand that you're
Speaker 1: in a state when you're under where suggests is so
Speaker 1: fucking powerful, Like they're making these kids think they were
Speaker 1: sexually abused, and so just trust anybody who you let
Speaker 1: put you under.
Speaker 4: Oh god, it it's so scary.
Speaker 1: We used to have a hypnotist come to our high
Speaker 1: school every few months for an assembly, and he would
Speaker 1: get volunteers and put him under her and people you
Speaker 1: knew who were real shy, they would do the weirdest
Speaker 1: fucking things. I snap my fingers, you're gonna hop on
Speaker 1: one foot and quack like a duck.
Speaker 4: I don't know why that's appropriate for children.
Speaker 1: It's not kind of school.
Speaker 4: Did you go to mc.
Speaker 1: Martin McMartin, Idaho, Yeah, might as well have been. So
Speaker 1: it was all Mormons.
Speaker 4: This doctor, lady, this military doctor. She started applying for
Speaker 4: grants with the army, and verbatim, she said, quote one
Speaker 4: of my mentors is in charge of the financial department
Speaker 4: of the Pentagon end quote. So she ended up getting
Speaker 4: all this military funding to implant these false memories into
Speaker 4: people's heads, which is a course that is still offered
Speaker 4: to this day.
Speaker 1: It's fucking remember they quit doing mk ultru in this
Speaker 1: mid seventies, right, Yeah, I swear they did.
Speaker 4: You can get you can get online and take this
Speaker 4: bitch's course.
Speaker 1: Right now, and she's getting Pentagon money, and she's.
Speaker 4: Getting Pentagon money to do so.
Speaker 1: Goddamn it. This is already at ten right, this has
Speaker 1: got all of it sex stocking, military funding. Yeah, hypnotism.
Speaker 4: So Jeff and Shlia decided they need to expand even
Speaker 4: more since they were so successful with the mind alignment process,
Speaker 4: and they go on to start a meal plan course
Speaker 4: for the low cost of one hundred dollars a month
Speaker 4: for recipes only you still have to go out and
Speaker 4: buy all the ingredients. You just pay one hundred dollars
Speaker 4: a month to find out how you're supposed to cook
Speaker 4: this shit.
Speaker 1: God, just any way they can bleed more money from
Speaker 1: these fucking retards.
Speaker 4: Just wait, and that was obviously successful. So then they
Speaker 4: inspire their members to become coaches. And all you have
Speaker 4: to do to become a coach is master all the classes.
Speaker 1: I swear I thought you were gonna say is masturbate.
Speaker 4: So to become a coach, you end up spending around
Speaker 4: twenty thousand dollars to master all of the available classes.
Speaker 1: Okay, so these are people who are already members, yes,
Speaker 1: and then for more money. It's a fucking pyramid schame.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So you get to counsel other new members and
Speaker 4: you either make no money as you're volunteering in the beginning,
Speaker 4: or you can eventually end up becoming a coach, but
Speaker 4: you make very little because you have to give half
Speaker 4: of your profits back to Jeff and Sulia, and it's
Speaker 4: not enough to sustain a lifestyle. Obviously, even after you've
Speaker 4: paid twenty thousand dollars and mastered all the classes and
Speaker 4: became a coach, you still can't live off that. But
Speaker 4: Jeff and Shelia are marketing it to people as if
Speaker 4: you become a coach, you'll never have to worry about
Speaker 4: money again. And they make all these people up and
Speaker 4: quit their jobs and then they can't even pay their
Speaker 4: rent and shit.
Speaker 1: You know, having done some online dating off and on
Speaker 1: for several years, I always saw and it became a
Speaker 1: red flag at one point. But a lot of these
Speaker 1: women would say they were life coaches and then get
Speaker 1: to talking to them and they say, well, I'm a
Speaker 1: waitress at such and such, but I do life coach
Speaker 1: stuff on the side, and it's going to become my
Speaker 1: new business. You got to wonder, like how many of
Speaker 1: people that are in that boat are part of some
Speaker 1: and like yeah, and they're just they quit their whatever
Speaker 1: career they were on. They're doing it and they got
Speaker 1: to get a job doing whatever else to get by.
Speaker 1: I mean, wow, Yeah.
Speaker 4: A lot of them were saying how they were making
Speaker 4: they were like making six figures at these really high
Speaker 4: up jobs and quit everything to try to become a
Speaker 4: part of this Twin Flames universe as a coach or
Speaker 4: some shit, and ended up making like four dollars an
Speaker 4: hour coaching people.
Speaker 1: It's like on a different smaller scale, you would even
Speaker 1: like only fans would be the same model. Like they
Speaker 1: make it look like you can just quit your daytime job,
Speaker 1: you know, and just make.
Speaker 4: Bank and the building pity and pussy picks.
Speaker 1: And there's like an upper tier that's like, you know,
Speaker 1: probably a single digit percentage that are making a shitload
Speaker 1: of money, but like ninety percent of them aren't.
Speaker 4: So Jeff and Schulia, as you can imagine, ended up
Speaker 4: making millions of dollars off retards looking for their twin
Speaker 4: flames on the internet.
Speaker 1: Honey, what what if people have done this?
Speaker 4: Well, you're retarded, and I'm going to tell you why.
Speaker 4: But so they end up hiring someone to help them
Speaker 4: figure out how they can pay less taxes because they're
Speaker 4: just raking in just millions.
Speaker 1: Don't tell me they're going to be an educational foundation
Speaker 1: for Puck's sake.
Speaker 4: Well, this is when they decide they're going to turn
Speaker 4: the program into a religion, and that also means that
Speaker 4: they can have volunteers that they don't have to pay.
Speaker 4: And so here comes the Church of the Union, and
Speaker 4: they start off by saying that they had a revelation
Speaker 4: that Jeff is actually Jesus.
Speaker 1: Ah, Jeff, I knew that you were going to change
Speaker 1: your name at some point.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that he is the second coming of Christ. And
Speaker 4: that's why all pictures of Jesus are depicted as a
Speaker 4: Caucasian male with dark hair and blue eyes, because they
Speaker 4: were really just all along pictures of Jeff.
Speaker 1: I gotta know after this Jesus stunt, did they get
Speaker 1: more or less?
Speaker 4: More so because he's on this power trip now he
Speaker 4: starts becoming more of his true self. And Jeff was
Speaker 4: verbally abusive to most of the members and to Sheliah eventually,
Speaker 4: even in the videos, I.
Speaker 1: Always thought, because like I said, I did look into
Speaker 1: this a little bit, they were a little mismatched.
Speaker 4: I mean he would call her a fat cunt and
Speaker 4: to shut up.
Speaker 1: Okay, well that's not what I was thinking. Oh, a
Speaker 1: tamer version of that O. I mean, he looked like
Speaker 1: a guy that could really he has conned people, as
Speaker 1: you've said, but he looks like he could do better
Speaker 1: than her. And I don't even mean but it sounds
Speaker 1: like behind and every great psychopathic cult leaders, there's a
Speaker 1: woman that had the idea, you know, he took her thing.
Speaker 4: If they split up too, then he has no credit exactly.
Speaker 1: He would always have to stay with her. And also
Speaker 1: unless she just like totally lost interest in this shit,
Speaker 1: she would have to put up and eat crow in
Speaker 1: so many ways to stay face do that.
Speaker 4: Because they're millionaires together, right, But you.
Speaker 1: Know, if it was bad enough, how many millions does
Speaker 1: one person need? I don't know.
Speaker 4: Well so, because Jeff starts becoming verbally abusive to the
Speaker 4: members anti Hulia in a lot of the videos, he
Speaker 4: would tell him that they were pieces of crap, worthless,
Speaker 4: scum of the yearth douchebag, fucker, cunt holes, and one
Speaker 4: member ended up killing herself, so that.
Speaker 1: That's maybe maybe he killed her, Jeff, I'm on to you, well, listen, Jesus.
Speaker 4: After the one member killed herself, the cult started to
Speaker 4: unravel a little bit because it had been years at
Speaker 4: that point and a lot of the members were still
Speaker 4: not finding their twin flame. So they start Jeff and
Speaker 4: Schulli a start to get creative because when you sign
Speaker 4: up and pay for the class, they guarantee that you
Speaker 4: will find your twin flame if.
Speaker 1: He's on the walls in a halfway house, right, Massachusetts.
Speaker 4: It's their guarantee that you're gonna find this a lot
Speaker 4: of them, especially after this chick kills herself or like,
Speaker 4: I don't know what's going on here. I still haven't
Speaker 4: found my twin flame. This bitch just killed herself. You're
Speaker 4: turning into a real cut salad, and I'm about to
Speaker 4: book it. So they had to come up with something.
Speaker 4: So that's when, all of a sudden they announced that
Speaker 4: actually everyone's twin flame had been a member of the
Speaker 4: cult all.
Speaker 1: Along, even if otherwise they were told it was somebody else.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they were wrong, the spirits told them. But there
Speaker 4: was a problem with that, as you can imagine, because
Speaker 4: there were way fewer men than women in the program.
Speaker 1: You gotta les, gotta go les.
Speaker 4: So they came up with the solution.
Speaker 1: Oh, this is where the transification comes in. The fucking
Speaker 1: got into this.
Speaker 4: Jeff and Sheliah got to decide which women were actually
Speaker 4: the divine masculine and needed to be with other women
Speaker 4: all along. And since Jeff is Jesus, he declares homosexuality
Speaker 4: doesn't even exist, and even in technical same sex relationships,
Speaker 4: there is always still a masculine and feminine energy that
Speaker 4: is true yes, but he uses it as a weapon.
Speaker 1: Good choice. But I mean, this guy, it's a cod artist.
Speaker 1: I mean, and he's not even having lived He said, there.
Speaker 4: Are aspects of this that is like, okay, yeah, well
Speaker 4: I agree with that.
Speaker 1: No, having lived in southern Oregon and different parts of
Speaker 1: Oregon where it's more this kind of thing is big.
Speaker 1: This you know, the belief system that would make you
Speaker 1: gravitate towards some shit like this. I I've always thought like,
Speaker 1: it would be so easy to manipulate these people, and
Speaker 1: this guy's just fucking caving it left and right.
Speaker 4: Yeah. But so a lot of people start leaving the
Speaker 4: group after this announcement because they were like, no, fuck you,
Speaker 4: I'm not gay.
Speaker 1: Yeah I watched and I'm.
Speaker 4: Definitely not fucking trance.
Speaker 1: I watched a video of one woman who was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: they kept telling me I was a man and I
Speaker 1: had to transition and that was it for me.
Speaker 4: Right, So this is around twenty nineteen that they start
Speaker 4: this stuff. So they have to pull this hail Mary shit, right.
Speaker 4: So December twenty nineteen, they do a group call and
Speaker 4: they say they've been channeling all night and the spirits
Speaker 4: have spoke to them and they were given the names
Speaker 4: of around twenty new twin flame pairings. Within the group,
Speaker 4: eighty was two women paired with each other, and they
Speaker 4: basically told these women who were deemed as the divine masculine,
Speaker 4: they would need to start transitioning in order to make
Speaker 4: this twin flame relationship work. So it couldn't just be
Speaker 4: like you're more of a divine masculine and this person
Speaker 4: is more of a divine feminine and you could be
Speaker 4: together and make this work. It was like, no, now
Speaker 4: you have to start transitioning. And as you can imagine,
Speaker 4: there were a lot of women who said fuck you.
Speaker 4: So in order to combat this, they started another new
Speaker 4: course you had to pay for with doctor mindfucker, who
Speaker 4: was supposed to help you understand that you're actually a man,
Speaker 4: and you were not released from the program until you
Speaker 4: complied and relinquished your identity.
Speaker 1: What doctor mindfucker relinquished your identity.
Speaker 4: Hypnotized them and said you're a man, you're a man,
Speaker 4: You're a man, and she wouldn't release you from the
Speaker 4: program until you accepted it.
Speaker 1: So was this like, did she have basement bunk bed
Speaker 1: torture chambers set up? No, she was hypnotized. I know,
Speaker 1: But like she said, you weren't allowed to leave until
Speaker 1: you you became.
Speaker 4: You couldn't be with your twin flame. They wouldn't let
Speaker 4: you be with your twin flame until you agreed that
Speaker 4: you was a man.
Speaker 1: Can you just leave because they didn't? Though?
Speaker 4: That's the problem. Once you get so mind fucked by
Speaker 4: this stuff, you start wanting to like pay for extra
Speaker 4: classes to make sure you think you're a man.
Speaker 1: Was she doing more memory shit? Like here's memory as
Speaker 1: you as a little boy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you had to pay extra for that course.
Speaker 1: So this count's getting Pentagon money and money from these
Speaker 1: people that.
Speaker 4: They're gonna two thousand dollars a cord.
Speaker 1: They're gonna transition them. Yes, this is fucking genius. I mean, dude,
Speaker 1: in Today's.
Speaker 4: He said he was gonna do it after he graduated business.
Speaker 1: I read it. It's disheartening, of course. And when I
Speaker 1: say it's genius, I just mean if you set out
Speaker 1: to exploit people, this is this shits of the times.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So these women were encouraged to literally start physically transitioning,
Speaker 4: and a lot of them did, yeah, down to having
Speaker 4: surgery and so just so they could claim so they
Speaker 4: could claim their twin flame relationships.
Speaker 1: I thought one video where this chick's like bald and
Speaker 1: has a beard and she's a man.
Speaker 4: Now, Yeah, because a twin flame universe.
Speaker 1: God damn.
Speaker 4: But it just keeps getting worse. So they announced at
Speaker 4: some point after this that they're doing IVF treatment not
Speaker 4: because of infertility issues, but because they've been channeling their
Speaker 4: unborn daughter and to ensure that she has the correct
Speaker 4: body upon birth. They're only implanting female embryos into and
Speaker 4: this is going to be their third flame, a concept
Speaker 4: completely fabricated by Jeff and Shelia because up until that point,
Speaker 4: a third flame didn't exist in the concept. They said
Speaker 4: that they channeled their unborn daughter daily.
Speaker 1: So they're getting in Disney with.
Speaker 4: This, right, And their unborn daughter said she will not
Speaker 4: need sexual partners as an adult because she will receive
Speaker 4: all her sexual needs through God.
Speaker 1: Oh, I thought you were going to say the parents.
Speaker 4: Well, I put in my notes, which doesn't that mean
Speaker 4: her dad? Because at this point Jeff has been referring
Speaker 4: to himself as God.
Speaker 1: We're getting awful fucking children of Gotti.
Speaker 4: And so at this point, when the members were doing
Speaker 4: something bad quote unquote like saying they weren't actually men
Speaker 4: trapped in a woman's body. Jeff and Shelia would tell
Speaker 4: them it was affecting Salia's health and that it was
Speaker 4: killing her and her baby, so they better do what
Speaker 4: they're told and keep the baby in Shalia alive.
Speaker 1: So no pressure, right.
Speaker 4: They're constantly showboating this pregnancy on YouTube at this point
Speaker 4: and bragging about this baby, which for those women out
Speaker 4: there who.
Speaker 1: Have experience, so she's pregnant right now, right.
Speaker 4: But for those women out there who have experienced pregnancy loss,
Speaker 4: you know, that's a dangerous game to play when you're
Speaker 4: showboating one week old pregnancy, because they go radio silent
Speaker 4: for a while and eventually come out with a video
Speaker 4: out of nowhere that they're terminating the pregnancy because it's
Speaker 4: a topic. But that wouldn't make sense if they were
Speaker 4: doing IVF because the embryos are implanted directly into the
Speaker 4: uterus anyways, So that was a lie.
Speaker 1: Just so everybody out there who doesn't know what needs
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 4: Oh, it's it's when you ovulate, your egg only makes
Speaker 4: it halfway through your fillopian tube and stops, so the
Speaker 4: pregnancy can't go on, right, and then the sperm travels
Speaker 4: up your Filippian tube and the baby starts growing inside
Speaker 4: your tube.
Speaker 1: You have to terminate.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there is no and that can only happen if
Speaker 4: you're ovulating though and getting pregnant naturally. And if they
Speaker 4: take the embryo and they implant it directly into your uterus,
Speaker 4: there's no tube action going.
Speaker 1: Maybe they found out it had down syndrome and just
Speaker 1: got an abortion or some shit.
Speaker 4: Well, okay, so Jeff and Schulia are literally arguing in
Speaker 4: the video about what really happened with the baby, and
Speaker 4: you could tell Jeff yeah, and you could tell.
Speaker 1: Jo Is it like a live stream?
Speaker 4: No, it was just a video because he argues with
Speaker 4: her and treats are like crap.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you think you would get a PR person
Speaker 1: minded pr person behind the editing.
Speaker 4: Jeff was getting missed off in the video because Sheliah
Speaker 4: was trying to say what the doctor said in that
Speaker 4: it was actually a miscarriage and stuff, and Jeff was
Speaker 4: mad because she wasn't making it more spiritual. So what
Speaker 4: he did was he made his own video later on
Speaker 4: and Jeff announces actually that baby Grace decided she didn't
Speaker 4: want to come into the world because the members of
Speaker 4: the cult were shittheads who wouldn't transition their gender. Literally. Ah,
Speaker 4: So a lot of female members because of this actually
Speaker 4: go ahead and marry these other women and begin hormone blowing.
Speaker 1: Baby Grace must be born.
Speaker 4: Right, and they eventually end up having surgery because they
Speaker 4: want baby Grace to be born.
Speaker 1: If you haven't left this fucking cult at this point,
Speaker 1: I guess you're just gonna do whatever, right.
Speaker 4: So in the meantime, Jeff actually get baby crazy and
Speaker 4: they say all the members need to move onto this
Speaker 4: farm in the middle of nowhere in Michigan with them
Speaker 4: and become baby factories. Basically, he says he wants them
Speaker 4: to have golden children who will grow up and become
Speaker 4: twin flames of other golden children. But await, basically everyone
Speaker 4: left in the colt are all in lesbo relationships, so
Speaker 4: what are they gonna do. Not to worry, Jeff himself
Speaker 4: or another.
Speaker 1: Member of the cult will still.
Speaker 4: They will happily impregnate you to make this.
Speaker 1: Happen happily emphasis unhappily.
Speaker 4: So this is when a massive amount of people leave
Speaker 4: the group and start speaking out of it.
Speaker 1: This is when, as a man, you would want to
Speaker 1: join this motherfucker.
Speaker 4: They're all hideous by the way, you know. Imagine the
Speaker 4: type of fat chicks that are on there trying to
Speaker 4: get twin Flames. But so after a bunch of them
Speaker 4: leave the group and they start speaking about their experience,
Speaker 4: a few documentaries were made to try and expose the
Speaker 4: madness of Jeff and Chilia, and not much else is
Speaker 4: know about the cult other than it's still operating and
Speaker 4: baby Grace was born April twenty twenty three. So since
Speaker 4: the documentaries have come out, many of the females who
Speaker 4: started hormone blockers and cut their tits and clits off
Speaker 4: have now reached out to their families begging for help
Speaker 4: and to help get them out of these relationships and
Speaker 4: regret having ever been a part of twin Flames Universe.
Speaker 1: I don't think they cut their clits off.
Speaker 4: Well, whatever they do to them, Unfortunately, nothing can be
Speaker 4: done at this point to restore them to their God
Speaker 4: given identity because the damage has already been done thanks
Speaker 4: to twin Flames Universe, and researchers say Internet based cults
Speaker 4: such as twin Flames have increased exponentially since COVID researchers
Speaker 4: are calling it a pandemic of cults, although Twin Flames
Speaker 4: still denies it is a cult to this day.
Speaker 1: It's a motherfucking religion. Yeah, so that's.
Speaker 4: The Twin Flames. What do you think.
Speaker 1: I give it.
Speaker 4: Ten misseectomies out of ten missectomies are right. Finally, I
Speaker 4: mean ending the series with a bang.
Speaker 1: Without the military Pentagon grants, there'd probably be a seven.
Speaker 1: But that just wraps it all up in a nice
Speaker 1: little bow. I mean, this transgender shit they pushed didn't
Speaker 1: just I don't think it just came out of the
Speaker 1: fact that it was mostly women. I think that was
Speaker 1: probably or you know, they shifted the whatever whatever reason.
Speaker 1: This bitch is getting money from the Pentagon.
Speaker 4: Well they started getting money from the Pentagon before they know.
Speaker 4: It's like they pushed that. They're like, now that you're
Speaker 4: getting government money, you're gonna need to start pushing some
Speaker 4: shit for us. Well, for sure, this is the plan basically.
Speaker 1: I mean, just to destabilize the all pretty pretty fragile.
Speaker 4: He sad though, that there's so many people looking for
Speaker 4: true love that they would sign on to this.
Speaker 1: It is sad.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I have to say it broke my heart a little.
Speaker 1: I mean, loneliness sucks, and a lot of people are
Speaker 1: fucking balls deep in it, so that part is sad
Speaker 1: and you'd be more easily exploited.
Speaker 4: But I mean that part of it did kind of
Speaker 4: hurt my feelings because yeah, I made fun of them
Speaker 4: and called them retards and fat chicks, that's what most
Speaker 4: of them were. But I'm just saying the loneliness like
Speaker 4: you were you were talking about, and like.
Speaker 7: The even bad people get lonely to pay millions of
Speaker 7: dollars after twenty thousand dollars, fifty thousand dollars and you're
Speaker 7: still not finding them, and then they say you need
Speaker 7: to become a man, and all it's like, come on,
Speaker 7: how bad do you want this?
Speaker 1: Pretty bad?
Speaker 4: I have to tell you. And this is not me
Speaker 4: trying to be a douchebag, but all the serious relationships
Speaker 4: I've ever had, including you, have happened organically.
Speaker 1: We met through twin flame.
Speaker 4: You, No, we did not, But I'm just saying, like
Speaker 4: the first person I was in a like a five
Speaker 4: year relationship with I met through mutual friends. The second
Speaker 4: person I met that I was in a serious relationship
Speaker 4: with seven years long and married. I met through mutual friends.
Speaker 4: I married. You're asked, we met podcast.
Speaker 1: We met over the internet.
Speaker 4: But do you think you do understand that we weren't
Speaker 4: online dating. We were working together.
Speaker 1: We did a creative way to put our own spin
Speaker 1: on online dating.
Speaker 4: But the point of us working together was not dating.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying, like, why give up on mehu for yourself?
Speaker 4: You have the hots for me.
Speaker 1: I know, no, you did.
Speaker 4: You sought me out. You were a fan of my
Speaker 4: fucking show, you stalk and ask wind Flamer.
Speaker 1: So what you're the one who stocked me.
Speaker 4: Anyways, I'm just saying it just takes the magic out
Speaker 4: of meeting people organically when you get involved with something
Speaker 4: like this, Because at first it was like, oh, we'll
Speaker 4: help you met.
Speaker 1: You're still organic, you're still meeting people that.
Speaker 4: But then they said, oh no, you're your twin flame's
Speaker 4: been a cult member all along. Now you've got to
Speaker 4: be a dude, and you're actually a lesbian.
Speaker 1: This is like if Marvel the Disney Marvel made a
Speaker 1: reality about internet romance. They just keep piling on just
Speaker 1: unbelievably retarded shit, and people keep going to the movie
Speaker 1: theater because I like Okay, do you have a number
Speaker 1: where they are right now with.
Speaker 4: Members, Well, they won't disclose that because it's probably low.
Speaker 1: Probably at this point it has to be. And like
Speaker 1: you said, you.
Speaker 4: Tube channel has definitely tanked for.
Speaker 1: This thing even really took off, they already pulled in
Speaker 1: like one hundred million dollars in one year, So even
Speaker 1: if this thing just crumbles to nothing, they're still fucking
Speaker 1: rich as shit from it.
Speaker 4: They do show bot on YouTube about their Porsches and
Speaker 4: their mansion with the pool and their Chanel bags, and
Speaker 4: they're this and they're that. So they're definitely not humble people.
Speaker 4: And they Jeff makes fun of the idiots in Africa
Speaker 4: who are paying four thousand dollars to meet their twin
Speaker 4: flame online in videos, and it's like they make they're
Speaker 4: so not worried about making money at this point, they're
Speaker 4: making fun of their own members.
Speaker 1: Hmm.
Speaker 4: Sounds very Jesus Like, yeah, well, I'm just saying maybe
Speaker 4: it's like I get the concept of wanting to find
Speaker 4: a twin flame, right, this person that's like the other
Speaker 4: half of you spending here with you. Well, the point
Speaker 4: is a lot of them were saying that they thought
Speaker 4: that their twin Flames were these celebrities and people who
Speaker 4: were married with kids and gay guys and like random
Speaker 4: people that they worked with, and they would just start
Speaker 4: stalking them and pursuing them relentlessly at the behest of
Speaker 4: Jeff and Shulia even going to jail, and they were like, yeah,
Speaker 4: you're a hero.
Speaker 1: You're a murdyer for your cause.
Speaker 4: I mean sometimes, like I feel like our personalities I
Speaker 4: told you that before, are very similar in ways, Like
Speaker 4: sometimes I do feel like we're twin flame esque, but
Speaker 4: I don't know. I mean, it's a beautiful concept and
Speaker 4: an idea that they've just twisted and made.
Speaker 1: These things always start with a promising concept. Every single
Speaker 1: cult we've covered then it always virals.
Speaker 4: The fact that he said that he started those websites
Speaker 4: to make money off healing illnesses and realize that the
Speaker 4: real money was in helping people find true love, and like.
Speaker 1: He found a niche I gotta give it to him, because.
Speaker 4: Who doesn't want to find true love?
Speaker 1: I mean think of it like this, Uh. Twitter tender
Speaker 1: used to just be about fucking Okaycupid and like match
Speaker 1: dot Com and shit was more like, oh, you're gonna
Speaker 1: date and get to know and then like they all
Speaker 1: kind of met in the middle, like all these dating
Speaker 1: apps now catered to hookup culture and people looking for
Speaker 1: long term romance and the algorithmic math that they've done
Speaker 1: to like keep people paying money to these websites. These
Speaker 1: guys are just taking it to a new level. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's a smaller audience, but they fucking get so
Speaker 1: much money from it.
Speaker 4: And they do like these coaching and like one on
Speaker 4: ones and they make it all personal to you and
Speaker 4: all this bullshit. It I just I don't know, babe.
Speaker 4: I think it's it's really sad to prey on people
Speaker 4: who just want to find love. Like that's got to
Speaker 4: be the saddest, most pathetic thing that you can do
Speaker 4: as a person, is exploit another human being that's looking
Speaker 4: for love.
Speaker 1: So how many flaming transmns do you give it?
Speaker 4: I give a ten flaming transmen. I mean, it's just
Speaker 4: like a lot of these women who have went through
Speaker 4: this now and they have like fucking beards and stuff.
Speaker 4: I saw a documentary where they're like texting their moms
Speaker 4: and like, how the fuck do I get out of this?
Speaker 4: What did I do? Help me? Save me? And it's
Speaker 4: like no, like you can't do there's you cut your
Speaker 4: tits off, like you can't even go back from that.
Speaker 4: There were actual trans people from the trans LGBTT community
Speaker 4: speaking out against the twin Flame universe, saying, this is
Speaker 4: not what transgenderism is. This is like, this is like
Speaker 4: a mind experiment gone wrong. Fucking pissed probably, but I'm
Speaker 4: just saying, like it's it's something for even the LGBT
Speaker 4: community to say, this is fucked up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you if you got them offended, god damn.
Speaker 4: I mean, because they're usually all about like.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, at any cost.
Speaker 4: You know, at any cost. If you feel like you're
Speaker 4: you're really a man trapped in a woman's body and
Speaker 4: it's preventing you from being with your true love, I mean,
Speaker 4: why not, why not just say being a lesbo relationship
Speaker 4: and one of you is more masculine than the other,
Speaker 4: Why does it have to go to like the outermost
Speaker 4: limits of transitioning your physical body.
Speaker 1: And that's where the Pentagon money.
Speaker 4: That's that's my theory at least I think you're right.
Speaker 4: And the implanting false childhood.
Speaker 1: Sexual yes, this thing's got at all, and it's still going.
Speaker 1: It's still going and I'm waiting for baby Grace to
Speaker 1: grow up and be the and say her dad's your
Speaker 1: third Well, you.
Speaker 4: Know, I don't know. Baby is like I say, if
Speaker 4: he's the second coming, I feel like I've been lucky
Speaker 4: in love.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 4: I mean to hear some of these people in the
Speaker 4: documentaries talk about how desperately they just wanted to find
Speaker 4: true love. You know, I just it just makes me sad, Like.
Speaker 1: What if you have a couple of my babies and
Speaker 1: then you have to transition to a man to stay
Speaker 1: with me?
Speaker 4: Bye? Sucka what bye?
Speaker 1: Because I just got an email from Jeff.
Speaker 4: Oh did you.
Speaker 1: Yep?
Speaker 4: And he said I need to pump out a few
Speaker 4: babies and then cut my tits off. Well no, thanks, okay, fine,
Speaker 4: I love you and all, but I think I love
Speaker 4: my puss more.
Speaker 1: Are people depentagon They're going to be very disappointed.
Speaker 4: This has actually been my favorite cult to cover so far,
Speaker 4: So thank you for not wanting it. I just had
Speaker 4: an intuition that this was going to be a crazy one.
Speaker 1: Did a great job with it. This made the Church
Speaker 1: of Euthanasia look like the pussies they are. Sorry Chris Korda,
Speaker 1: but yeah, you had a pussy, I meant Wieners.
Speaker 4: I do have to say it's a very interesting one.
Speaker 4: The Church of Euthanasia. It's probably the most of the
Speaker 4: more creative.
Speaker 1: These two cults. It's like, we've covered the that's why
Speaker 1: I was going to do the Moonies, and I just
Speaker 1: started thinking, this is too similar to a lot of
Speaker 1: the other stuff we've already talked about. Right, there's so
Speaker 1: much with the Internet age and the aspect of just
Speaker 1: accessibility that has made this way more than just your
Speaker 1: kool aid drinking foods from the seventies. So it's nice
Speaker 1: to mix up with, Like, shit, that's the exploitation that's
Speaker 1: going on today through cult shit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, and you know, to even think that
Speaker 4: the Twin Flames universe is still going and several people
Speaker 4: have reported them to the authorities and said that they
Speaker 4: need to be looked into because they're.
Speaker 1: Well, as long as these people are doing it voluntarily.
Speaker 4: That's what the government says.
Speaker 1: And I you know, freedom comes at fucking retards doing
Speaker 1: shit like this.
Speaker 4: Yes, I know.
Speaker 1: Do I want the fucking atf to bust into a
Speaker 1: fucking TFU compound?
Speaker 4: Not really, I mean, they are there on their own
Speaker 4: free Will and a lot of the people who left
Speaker 4: left freely. They weren't stopped, they weren't harassed.
Speaker 1: They just like I'm sure they were harassed. It sounds
Speaker 1: like just being there insures a level of harassment.
Speaker 4: Well, the harassment that they have suffered is when they've
Speaker 4: spoken out about Twin Flames Universe, Jeff sues them for defamation. So,
Speaker 4: I mean that's the level of as long as you
Speaker 4: don't say anything about them, they don't really care if
Speaker 4: you leave. Basically, So you know, it's like I said,
Speaker 4: I think, you know, we ended this series with the
Speaker 4: bank because this has been like my favorite cult to
Speaker 4: cover so far. I did a full Colby deep dive
Speaker 4: on it. I'm so glad I got would you did
Speaker 4: rate it ten out of ten Clintson Dicks? Okay, so great.
Speaker 4: I mean I think we really killed it this time around.
Speaker 1: It was a good one.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: Any closing thoughts on the Church of Youth in Asia,
Speaker 4: on the Twin Flames Universe life in general.
Speaker 1: I think some of the surviving members of TFU need
Speaker 1: to join the Church of uden Asia. I agree that
Speaker 1: would just solve so many problems.
Speaker 4: I think Jeff and Sheliah should join and ethanize themselves.
Speaker 1: Jesus would never.
Speaker 4: Jeff, Yeah, yeah, if anyone has the time, I watched
Speaker 4: several videos and stuff, and I watch a lot of
Speaker 4: stuff on YouTube. But there is one documentary that you
Speaker 4: can find if you're on Netflix. It's called Escaping Twin
Speaker 4: Flames I think, and it's like four episodes long. It's
Speaker 4: a real easy watch, and you'll get to hear from
Speaker 4: some of the people who escaped the Twin Flame cult
Speaker 4: as they call it, escaping it, and it's fucking Craig Cray,
Speaker 4: the lady I shouldn't even say lady that the young
Speaker 4: woman Marley who married the skitzo that was throwing shit
Speaker 4: at the wall. She's in there and you'll get to
Speaker 4: hear from her first hand how that all went down.
Speaker 4: Keeley and Colby are in.
Speaker 1: It too, And the best part is this motherfucking Netflix?
Speaker 1: Is it Netflix? The series is narrated by Ryan Gosling.
Speaker 1: He was like, yeah, He's like, I'll do this shit
Speaker 1: for free, right, I got some demons I need to exercise.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is not narrated by Ryan Gosling, but it
Speaker 4: should have been. I know, right, missed opportunity for sure,
Speaker 4: for sure, and if you're curious at all what these
Speaker 4: two yahoos look like or sound like or whatever, their
Speaker 4: YouTube channel is still fully functional and readily available if
Speaker 4: you want to just kind of get a gist of
Speaker 4: their personalities. I guess, but they're definitely psychopaths and cutt
Speaker 4: and tits and clits off or at least encouraging it.
Speaker 1: Not the clits though, those become sensitive small weens.
Speaker 4: They have to pump them up. They use a pump
Speaker 4: with like a squeezy thing like a blood pressure cuff.
Speaker 4: But for your clip click cuff.
Speaker 1: Yes, this episode has been brought to you by click cuff.
Speaker 4: Bump it and dumpish. I love you, babe.
Speaker 7: Not.
Speaker 4: And with that being said, there is one very important
Speaker 4: vital piece of information I need you to learn just
Speaker 4: as soon as humanly possible.
Speaker 8: Out that's assists a person.
Speaker 1: So the mole sass you don't want to change, I
Speaker 1: don't want me and you don't know.
Speaker 4: The nags you least, I don't want.
Speaker 2: Me and you don't know, no want to lose.
Speaker 1: The role has to do the leaf.
Speaker 8: I don't want to be and.
Speaker 1: You don't know.
Speaker 2: But I don't want me and you don't know