WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.480 --> 00:00:05.960 Just stop it. Look we haven't said grace yet. Callum, 2 00:00:06.160 --> 00:00:11.519 you're there munching away corners. Look anyway, Look that the 3 00:00:12.039 --> 00:00:16.839 good ones amongst us will say grace for good times past, 4 00:00:17.440 --> 00:00:21.960 for our past, for horse and hound, and each fox found, 5 00:00:22.440 --> 00:00:26.280 for days of sport, champagne and port, for roden gum 6 00:00:26.839 --> 00:00:32.600 for rain and sun, for partridge and pigeon, pintail and widgeon, 7 00:00:33.320 --> 00:00:37.399 hound and horn, each dewy morn for wild salmon, and 8 00:00:37.520 --> 00:00:42.280 chalk stream cider beer and village green for country pubs. 9 00:00:42.679 --> 00:00:47.159 Thank God above for England's beauty and Christian duty, for 10 00:00:47.240 --> 00:00:52.159 every pint and every plateful. May the Good Lord make 11 00:00:52.280 --> 00:00:53.920 us truly grateful. 12 00:00:55.240 --> 00:01:02.280 Amen, decently, that was the very nice. 13 00:01:02.479 --> 00:01:05.519 Yeah. Are you spiritually refreshed after that? Are you ready 14 00:01:05.560 --> 00:01:11.760 to carry on munching away on your corner shop custachio sticks? Callum. 15 00:01:12.000 --> 00:01:16.439 Always he's giving me the sustenance I need to get through. 16 00:01:16.799 --> 00:01:19.159 Presumably if they updated that grace now, that have to 17 00:01:19.200 --> 00:01:22.879 be sort of a stanza about digging out cubs whilst 18 00:01:22.879 --> 00:01:26.840 being filmed by a communist who's got whacked out on 19 00:01:26.840 --> 00:01:37.280 triple sis, which is a drug. Are we doing well, aren't. 20 00:01:37.040 --> 00:01:42.879 We honestly, I'm absolutely off my nut on triple s eyes. Actually, 21 00:01:43.439 --> 00:01:46.640 a lot of people who have triple s I woods 22 00:01:47.239 --> 00:01:52.120 on their farms or estates or land are absolutely off 23 00:01:52.159 --> 00:01:54.879 then out anyway, because it does the head in, because 24 00:01:54.879 --> 00:01:59.439 it's much more challenging to manage them well when it's 25 00:01:59.439 --> 00:02:02.200 a triple s then when it's not. So you know, 26 00:02:02.359 --> 00:02:03.799 there we go. It's a listen to us all, don't 27 00:02:03.799 --> 00:02:10.400 do triples eyes, kids, triple eyes, just say no quite. 28 00:02:12.039 --> 00:02:14.080 I recommend this show to people, you know, and then 29 00:02:14.120 --> 00:02:15.919 every time I do, they go, oh, I'll start with 30 00:02:15.960 --> 00:02:19.560 this one. No, don't start with that. I don't know 31 00:02:19.599 --> 00:02:21.599 how to get people started on the show. What is 32 00:02:21.639 --> 00:02:23.759 the gateway drug for country slide. 33 00:02:23.840 --> 00:02:24.719 Of course episode? 34 00:02:25.159 --> 00:02:30.120 And if they can handle it, Leslie Dolphin, maybe. 35 00:02:31.039 --> 00:02:34.919 It's probably something to be fair that that is it is. 36 00:02:34.919 --> 00:02:36.800 It's a bit like you know, day one when you 37 00:02:36.879 --> 00:02:41.159 join the army, they absolutely beast the ass off you. 38 00:02:41.240 --> 00:02:43.800 You're going, what on earth am I doing here? This 39 00:02:43.960 --> 00:02:47.560 is crazy? Why why have I joined this affair? Put 40 00:02:47.599 --> 00:02:51.000 them straight in with Leslie Dolphin and see if they are, 41 00:02:52.000 --> 00:02:54.960 you know, made of the stern stuff that we require 42 00:02:55.039 --> 00:02:55.960 from our listeners. 43 00:02:56.360 --> 00:02:57.400 The baptism of fire. 44 00:02:57.759 --> 00:03:01.080 Yeah it anyway. So what have you been up to, Richard? 45 00:03:01.120 --> 00:03:03.000 Have you been outside or have you been doing stupid 46 00:03:03.000 --> 00:03:03.560 book things? 47 00:03:03.879 --> 00:03:06.800 No, I've been largely doing stupid book things. I did 48 00:03:07.000 --> 00:03:09.960 yesterday go and talk to. 49 00:03:11.240 --> 00:03:14.400 The third Reich about why the curlyw is a good? 50 00:03:16.520 --> 00:03:18.759 Is evolved on who's trying to bring back the next one? 51 00:03:19.199 --> 00:03:22.479 It weren't quite like that. It was more I went 52 00:03:22.520 --> 00:03:27.560 to speak to some school children lace Than Primary school 53 00:03:27.879 --> 00:03:31.439 and then at the Old Valley Academy, which is the 54 00:03:31.680 --> 00:03:34.680 secondary school in Laystam and I talked to them about 55 00:03:34.759 --> 00:03:38.680 hedges and things that live in hedges. And then when 56 00:03:38.719 --> 00:03:39.439 I spoke. 57 00:03:39.159 --> 00:03:46.680 To the Guy magazine girls in the schools, they foolishly 58 00:03:47.199 --> 00:03:52.599 asked me how to write about landscape and the countryside 59 00:03:52.599 --> 00:03:55.759 because they've got a project on that, and. 60 00:03:55.639 --> 00:03:56.680 Who did you refer them to? 61 00:03:57.439 --> 00:03:57.560 Do? 62 00:03:57.560 --> 00:04:01.680 You know? Interestingly? I took a selection of books because 63 00:04:01.719 --> 00:04:03.560 what I wanted to do was say that, you know, 64 00:04:03.560 --> 00:04:08.080 if you just read one about the countryside, nature and landscape, 65 00:04:08.280 --> 00:04:10.280 then you were missing a trick. So I took a 66 00:04:10.319 --> 00:04:14.159 selection of books by authors who I rate, and that 67 00:04:14.240 --> 00:04:18.720 was arranging from Henry Williamson through to Patrick Albraith, Patrick Lorry, 68 00:04:20.879 --> 00:04:21.600 Who else did. 69 00:04:23.560 --> 00:04:30.079 You always talk lovingly about Patrick Lorry? Yeah, from what 70 00:04:30.160 --> 00:04:33.519 I get from you, I think he seems like your favorite, 71 00:04:33.560 --> 00:04:34.000 all right. 72 00:04:35.519 --> 00:04:42.639 Him and Williamson actually, because both are completely slightly broken 73 00:04:42.879 --> 00:04:46.360 men in two different ways. Patrick Lorry I haven't met. 74 00:04:46.639 --> 00:04:49.360 I talked to him and correspond with him via email 75 00:04:50.199 --> 00:04:52.160 every once in a while, and I think he's a 76 00:04:52.279 --> 00:04:57.199 character who I believe his He lost the child and 77 00:04:57.399 --> 00:05:02.040 he and it was heartbreaking and heart wrenching for him. 78 00:05:02.040 --> 00:05:05.959 And I think that also people who live in geographically 79 00:05:06.079 --> 00:05:09.879 very challenging places because they are stark and harsh, I 80 00:05:09.920 --> 00:05:15.680 think that they are possibly made slightly up and down 81 00:05:15.879 --> 00:05:20.519 there in their psyche. And you can read that through 82 00:05:20.560 --> 00:05:23.439 everything that he writes. There is a melancholy through him. 83 00:05:23.600 --> 00:05:28.160 And I find the melancholy as well of Henry Williamson 84 00:05:28.160 --> 00:05:31.519 always very poignant because he was broken by the First 85 00:05:31.600 --> 00:05:34.680 World War. And yes, he turned into a raving fascist, 86 00:05:35.240 --> 00:05:36.879 but there was a reason why I turned as a 87 00:05:36.959 --> 00:05:39.199 raving fascist, because he was so determined that there would 88 00:05:39.399 --> 00:05:41.480 be no more war. He thought that was the only 89 00:05:41.519 --> 00:05:46.040 way out of it. And I find they're writing beautiful, 90 00:05:46.079 --> 00:05:49.279 fascinating one so I found myself in front of a 91 00:05:49.279 --> 00:05:51.920 bunch of school children saying, yeah, read these. The work 92 00:05:51.920 --> 00:05:54.639 of these is beautiful. But you know, I'm not held 93 00:05:54.680 --> 00:05:54.920 just one. 94 00:05:55.079 --> 00:05:57.839 I think we should point out that Henry Williamson is 95 00:05:57.920 --> 00:06:00.959 the older author for a Time gone By was a 96 00:06:00.959 --> 00:06:04.360 fascist in World War One. Patrick Lorry is a farmer 97 00:06:04.480 --> 00:06:06.639 in southwest Scotland. Current. 98 00:06:06.680 --> 00:06:09.279 Yeah, yeah, oh you know, actually Lorry is not a fascist. 99 00:06:09.920 --> 00:06:13.000 No, I think I just wanted to make that separation clear. 100 00:06:13.360 --> 00:06:17.000 No, no, no, But I think both of them are 101 00:06:17.079 --> 00:06:21.439 driven to things because of personal trauma and the fact 102 00:06:21.519 --> 00:06:26.759 that they are so close to the natural world, which 103 00:06:26.839 --> 00:06:31.199 tends you to be rather fatalistic, I suppose. And yeah, 104 00:06:31.519 --> 00:06:33.560 you're right, callum, I I do. I think he's he's 105 00:06:33.600 --> 00:06:36.720 a wonderful man, and he writes brilliantly, and I hope 106 00:06:36.759 --> 00:06:38.600 he does come out with a second book. 107 00:06:41.199 --> 00:06:43.360 Henry Williams unpresumably because I think he's dead. 108 00:06:44.160 --> 00:06:46.360 Well, yes he is, but he lived funny enough, I 109 00:06:46.439 --> 00:06:48.759 just went to the co op, which is right opposite 110 00:06:48.800 --> 00:06:52.000 where else and lived. No, he lived opposite the co 111 00:06:52.120 --> 00:06:56.000 op in Bottersdale, So you know it's it's amazing. Well, 112 00:06:56.199 --> 00:06:58.720 you think this village here, there was where down the road. 113 00:06:59.120 --> 00:07:03.000 Constella is where you can buy a four co. Stella 114 00:07:04.000 --> 00:07:08.240 is where Basil Brown, he who on Earth, Sutton Who 115 00:07:08.480 --> 00:07:11.800 and Henry Williamson both lived and they lived there at 116 00:07:11.839 --> 00:07:15.000 the same time. So can you imagine the guy who 117 00:07:15.079 --> 00:07:18.920 on Earth, Sutton Who and Henry Williamson lived in the 118 00:07:18.920 --> 00:07:22.000 same village at the same time. I mean, that is ridiculous, 119 00:07:22.040 --> 00:07:25.199 and it's a nondescript little old place and rather funny 120 00:07:25.639 --> 00:07:29.879 is that fact. Bottersdale also has a pub called the Greyhound, 121 00:07:30.160 --> 00:07:33.879 and the sign on the Greyhound is a Springer Spaniel, 122 00:07:34.480 --> 00:07:37.360 So you know what's not to like? That's as suffolk 123 00:07:37.360 --> 00:07:41.480 as they come in it. 124 00:07:39.839 --> 00:07:42.800 Was he as autistic Basil Brown as the way he 125 00:07:42.920 --> 00:07:47.800 was portrayed in that film off of Netflix, do you know, 126 00:07:47.839 --> 00:07:50.240 because it was like they were clearly portraying him in 127 00:07:50.279 --> 00:07:53.160 a certain neurodiverse light. Weren't they. 128 00:07:54.639 --> 00:08:00.240 Interesting? Fines paid him, didn't he grave fines? I don't 129 00:08:00.319 --> 00:08:03.040 think so. I think that actually from what I'm told 130 00:08:03.240 --> 00:08:06.000 was that basically he was a digger, and so therefore 131 00:08:06.040 --> 00:08:08.079 he was a person who dug holes. And if he 132 00:08:08.160 --> 00:08:12.319 wasn't digging holes for sort of in inverticon, was buried treasure. 133 00:08:12.680 --> 00:08:15.040 He probably would have been digging holes to go fencing 134 00:08:15.399 --> 00:08:17.480 or something like that, so therefore he was just a 135 00:08:17.480 --> 00:08:22.240 good old boy. I mean, they had to teach Ray 136 00:08:22.319 --> 00:08:25.959 Finds to speak with a Suffolk accent because he although 137 00:08:26.560 --> 00:08:33.080 finds is Jake finds his brother is that he you know, 138 00:08:33.159 --> 00:08:35.840 and both are from actually for North. Both of them 139 00:08:35.840 --> 00:08:39.120 have lost it to such a degree that you don't 140 00:08:39.159 --> 00:08:42.120 hear it. So they had to get this bloke called 141 00:08:42.279 --> 00:08:46.440 Charlie Haylock to teach them. Although I was told in 142 00:08:46.559 --> 00:08:52.480 delighted tones by somebody from Uh, Charlie Haylock came up 143 00:08:52.480 --> 00:08:54.360 in the conversation you go, well, you know, he goes 144 00:08:54.399 --> 00:08:56.720 and teaches all these old boys to go and speak Suffolk. 145 00:08:56.759 --> 00:08:59.799 He goes and even from Suffolk originally, which in so 146 00:09:00.399 --> 00:09:04.279 it means you are damned. If you went from Suffolk originally, 147 00:09:04.440 --> 00:09:05.360 you're a thur inner. 148 00:09:06.480 --> 00:09:07.799 Hm. 149 00:09:07.919 --> 00:09:10.720 Anyway, that's what I've been up to talking to kids. 150 00:09:11.440 --> 00:09:15.240 And speaking of neurodiversity and digging holes. You probably shouldn't 151 00:09:15.240 --> 00:09:19.919 be callum, and you're not allowed to mention anything to 152 00:09:19.960 --> 00:09:23.080 do with AI. We've already decided that. 153 00:09:24.919 --> 00:09:30.279 You'll have to I have to forgive my AI seizures 154 00:09:30.320 --> 00:09:31.440 that I've had this week. 155 00:09:32.159 --> 00:09:33.559 I've been on the phone with you for an hour 156 00:09:33.600 --> 00:09:35.919 today talking about a wen need anymore. 157 00:09:37.200 --> 00:09:38.960 It's been good chat, been good chat. 158 00:09:39.879 --> 00:09:41.759 Well technically employee at the moment. 159 00:09:42.559 --> 00:09:44.879 Yeah, staff of two and one of them is not 160 00:09:44.919 --> 00:09:51.519 really me. I'm not allowed to talk about it, and 161 00:09:51.559 --> 00:09:53.879 it's really difficult not to talk about it because we've 162 00:09:53.879 --> 00:09:55.240 been doing some real fun things. 163 00:09:56.159 --> 00:09:57.279 Well you're not allowed to. 164 00:09:58.440 --> 00:10:00.279 I've banned him because it's born ring. 165 00:10:01.360 --> 00:10:02.200 Stop boring. 166 00:10:03.480 --> 00:10:06.200 Yeah, talk about real things out there and then talk 167 00:10:06.240 --> 00:10:07.000 about real things. 168 00:10:07.000 --> 00:10:11.080 What do you know what I did? I went and 169 00:10:11.120 --> 00:10:13.000 photographed the f A Cup Final. 170 00:10:14.120 --> 00:10:16.159 Wow, that's real. 171 00:10:16.600 --> 00:10:20.919 That was a real thing. What an experience to be 172 00:10:22.320 --> 00:10:26.720 at an f A Cup Final at Wembley. It's yeah, 173 00:10:26.840 --> 00:10:30.320 a mad, a mad place to find yourself in. The 174 00:10:30.399 --> 00:10:34.679 thing I love about photography is you really don't know 175 00:10:35.639 --> 00:10:39.399 what next week could hold for you. Like, you know, 176 00:10:39.600 --> 00:10:43.039 you could be rocking up to a baron's house to 177 00:10:43.080 --> 00:10:47.960 photograph his collection of toneaw clippings, and then the next 178 00:10:48.000 --> 00:10:49.879 week you're at an f A Cup final and the 179 00:10:49.960 --> 00:10:54.679 next week you know you're doing Lord Muller racing. It's 180 00:10:54.799 --> 00:10:58.320 just the maddest stuff. But yeah, f a Cup final, 181 00:10:59.440 --> 00:11:02.559 never done any anything quite like it. Not really geared 182 00:11:02.639 --> 00:11:06.240 up for it as much as I should be. But 183 00:11:06.279 --> 00:11:09.799 my brief was basically to show the ONM Beyonce and 184 00:11:10.200 --> 00:11:14.879 the cool stuff and the fans loving it. So I 185 00:11:14.960 --> 00:11:17.759 nailed it and it was really good and the clients love. 186 00:11:17.639 --> 00:11:19.879 It all right. So let's do a quiz now, which 187 00:11:20.000 --> 00:11:21.159 teams were playing. 188 00:11:21.759 --> 00:11:26.120 The blue ones? Yep, there was that, the blue ones, 189 00:11:26.200 --> 00:11:28.960 the dark blue one and the light blue one. And 190 00:11:29.519 --> 00:11:31.320 you know me, because I'm a big sports fan. My 191 00:11:31.320 --> 00:11:35.759 favorite thing about large sporting events is that usually the 192 00:11:35.840 --> 00:11:41.120 river banks a lot quieter. But you know, go sports, 193 00:11:41.440 --> 00:11:42.120 go sports? 194 00:11:44.639 --> 00:11:44.799 One? 195 00:11:44.960 --> 00:11:45.759 Is that the round one? 196 00:11:45.799 --> 00:11:46.000 Yeah? 197 00:11:46.039 --> 00:11:48.399 Yeah, you're thinking of the hand eggs the other one? 198 00:11:49.399 --> 00:11:49.519 Right? 199 00:11:49.960 --> 00:11:50.120 Oh? 200 00:11:50.120 --> 00:11:55.360 And also I ended up photographing marrow in Toja the 201 00:11:55.600 --> 00:11:56.799 England laps. 202 00:11:57.000 --> 00:12:04.480 That's the Arrowy. 203 00:12:03.120 --> 00:12:05.840 Need subtitles? 204 00:12:05.559 --> 00:12:06.559 And a dog? 205 00:12:06.639 --> 00:12:09.200 Did he have Callum? Did he have a dog? 206 00:12:10.279 --> 00:12:14.240 He had a little spaniel, a little black spaniel that 207 00:12:14.320 --> 00:12:18.759 somebody sort of gave him And that was the biggest 208 00:12:18.759 --> 00:12:21.759 smile we had all day. As soon as someone handed 209 00:12:21.799 --> 00:12:24.559 him a dog. He was a spaniel specifically, he was 210 00:12:24.559 --> 00:12:26.960 loving it. So he loved it. 211 00:12:27.519 --> 00:12:32.360 But yeah, were you aware of the quite large protests 212 00:12:32.440 --> 00:12:34.720 happening elsewhere in the city on the same day as 213 00:12:34.720 --> 00:12:36.960 the f A Cup final or was that completely we 214 00:12:36.960 --> 00:12:38.519 were completely oblivious. 215 00:12:38.039 --> 00:12:41.919 To limiting the racist epicenter of the UK at present 216 00:12:42.159 --> 00:12:45.720 and getting the very train line that runs from the 217 00:12:45.720 --> 00:12:49.799 hotel that they've been setting fireworks outside, and and and 218 00:12:49.919 --> 00:12:52.240 probably put your council tax up by another one hundred 219 00:12:52.279 --> 00:12:56.600 quid a month. Yes, I was aware, and they closed 220 00:12:56.799 --> 00:13:01.360 the central line and I had to get replacement bus service, 221 00:13:01.399 --> 00:13:06.159 which took me an hour extra on top of my journey. 222 00:13:06.720 --> 00:13:08.639 I was very aware. There was quite a few people 223 00:13:08.720 --> 00:13:11.440 on my train that were that were draped in flags. 224 00:13:13.759 --> 00:13:17.440 So yeah, yeah, there was, well, there was things happening, 225 00:13:17.480 --> 00:13:20.519 but I don't think it was that. I'm not sure 226 00:13:20.519 --> 00:13:24.960 if it's sort of left versus right, but I don't 227 00:13:25.080 --> 00:13:28.639 think there was that big a turnout. What's his name, 228 00:13:28.720 --> 00:13:31.799 Johnny Johnny four names whatever he is called. 229 00:13:33.279 --> 00:13:37.759 Rob, Robbie Stewart, Stewart's Inquiry. 230 00:13:37.720 --> 00:13:43.600 Stuart Lexicon, Tom Tomlinson, that fella he he put out 231 00:13:43.639 --> 00:13:48.600 there was like three million people at one point. Someone's 232 00:13:48.600 --> 00:13:52.480 got a sparse gathering of people on Parliament Square so 233 00:13:54.080 --> 00:13:55.600 I'm not sure which one to believe. 234 00:13:55.919 --> 00:13:59.639 Well, there were the reports vary. I mean, he said 235 00:13:59.639 --> 00:14:02.360 there were million, which just sounds like a big number. 236 00:14:02.360 --> 00:14:02.480 Two. 237 00:14:02.559 --> 00:14:04.559 I think he's gone to the same school of counting 238 00:14:04.600 --> 00:14:09.919 that Donald Trump and Diane Abbott went to. But the 239 00:14:09.960 --> 00:14:16.039 original count by the Metropolitan Police was sixty thousand, and 240 00:14:16.080 --> 00:14:18.960 then they went up to between one hundred to one 241 00:14:19.039 --> 00:14:21.759 hundred and fifty thousand. Now, I was on the Countryside 242 00:14:21.840 --> 00:14:25.320 March back when the Countryside March was, and they know 243 00:14:26.120 --> 00:14:28.960 that there was four hundred for brilliant, wasn't it four 244 00:14:29.000 --> 00:14:33.279 hundred and fifty six thousand? People marched on that because 245 00:14:33.320 --> 00:14:35.840 they actually had counters, so they you know, so they 246 00:14:35.840 --> 00:14:37.720 could actually go and say this is the way to numbers. 247 00:14:37.759 --> 00:14:42.919 And as Richard says, well that was effective. Yeah, that 248 00:14:43.000 --> 00:14:46.399 was good fun. You know, so hunting went, the post 249 00:14:46.480 --> 00:14:49.679 offices got closed. You know, everything that there was we 250 00:14:49.799 --> 00:14:54.519 marched for still got either band or shut. But the 251 00:14:55.679 --> 00:14:57.799 I think the weight of numbers that there is a 252 00:14:57.840 --> 00:15:03.159 It's funny. I don't like marches and protests and things 253 00:15:03.200 --> 00:15:05.519 like that. I just think that they're it depends largely 254 00:15:06.559 --> 00:15:08.759 what do you know for anything. I just think that 255 00:15:09.200 --> 00:15:12.679 when you're protesting, Yes, you're making your voice heard, but 256 00:15:12.799 --> 00:15:17.600 ultimately you're either going to go, oh look, I don't 257 00:15:17.600 --> 00:15:19.799 think anyone's gone, gosh, there's a lot of people there. 258 00:15:19.799 --> 00:15:21.720 I'm going to go and join them. I think what 259 00:15:21.840 --> 00:15:24.840 either happens is you go, you bloody idiot, you're getting 260 00:15:24.840 --> 00:15:26.759 in my way. And I remember when I was on 261 00:15:26.799 --> 00:15:32.000 that countryside march, some bloke, you know, in a in 262 00:15:32.039 --> 00:15:36.200 a sort of urban dress. He went, oh, he goes, 263 00:15:36.399 --> 00:15:39.720 get off my land, and I thought, actually that's very clever, 264 00:15:40.039 --> 00:15:42.000 because all of a sudden, I'm walking up the mauth 265 00:15:42.000 --> 00:15:43.799 and we're all sort of looking a bit starry eyed 266 00:15:44.080 --> 00:15:49.200 and struck because we're in London. And get off my lap, 267 00:15:49.440 --> 00:15:51.720 you know, as in what you're doing in my manner, 268 00:15:51.759 --> 00:15:54.039 your dickhead. And I thought, yeah, actually that's true. So 269 00:15:54.080 --> 00:15:57.480 most people you either piss off or you inconvenience, You 270 00:15:57.679 --> 00:16:01.120 enrage some people who've got the opposite opinion. And do 271 00:16:01.159 --> 00:16:04.519 you go and say, oh, yeah, I'm now inspired to that. 272 00:16:04.519 --> 00:16:06.919 I don't think so. I mean, I don't know, what 273 00:16:07.159 --> 00:16:10.240 do you think Richard is a march any use? 274 00:16:12.000 --> 00:16:15.639 I don't know. I always urge people towards the political 275 00:16:15.919 --> 00:16:18.679 and democratic process, even though I think it is now 276 00:16:18.720 --> 00:16:22.080 completely pointless. It's sort of it's the shittest process we have, 277 00:16:22.200 --> 00:16:25.759 but it's the only process we have, So you have that. 278 00:16:25.799 --> 00:16:30.279 But I think marches work to a degree. I just 279 00:16:30.639 --> 00:16:34.000 don't like, well, this conversation we're having now, you can't 280 00:16:34.080 --> 00:16:36.799 say for certain how many people are there. I don't 281 00:16:36.960 --> 00:16:40.679 entirely trust anyone reporting from it, either unofficially or officially, 282 00:16:40.759 --> 00:16:44.320 because every kind of reporting has an agenda to it 283 00:16:44.399 --> 00:16:48.559 now as well, including despite having them as clients. The 284 00:16:48.559 --> 00:16:53.799 police would agree because it's part of community cohesion is 285 00:16:53.840 --> 00:16:56.559 to make sure that you portray a certain message. So 286 00:16:57.720 --> 00:17:01.360 we can't know what happened or what order it happened, 287 00:17:01.360 --> 00:17:03.440 and what was ignored and what was focused on because 288 00:17:03.440 --> 00:17:06.200 at the end of the day, it's all human biased decisions. 289 00:17:06.240 --> 00:17:09.240 So I think if you wanted to go, and you 290 00:17:09.279 --> 00:17:11.720 wanted to do it safely and legally, you should go. 291 00:17:12.000 --> 00:17:16.079 But I also don't think that it is the only 292 00:17:16.119 --> 00:17:19.480 option open to you, you know, And I don't think 293 00:17:19.480 --> 00:17:22.880 also you can make assumptions about why people are there, 294 00:17:23.039 --> 00:17:25.799 because you could have picked any ten people there and 295 00:17:25.799 --> 00:17:30.160 probably got twelve different answers about exactly which issues drove 296 00:17:30.279 --> 00:17:33.799 them there on that day. I think the only thing 297 00:17:33.880 --> 00:17:36.000 is with this that were kind of at a political 298 00:17:36.039 --> 00:17:38.839 point at the moment, which is a bit like the 299 00:17:38.839 --> 00:17:43.599 Brexit vote, that the Brexit vote wasn't really about Europe. 300 00:17:43.880 --> 00:17:47.440 It was about people felt they weren't really interested in 301 00:17:47.519 --> 00:17:51.039 sort of exactly the trade arrangements between here and Europe 302 00:17:51.079 --> 00:17:53.640 and freedom of movement and that kind of thing they had. 303 00:17:53.960 --> 00:17:57.480 We'd had thirty odd years of every news outlet saying 304 00:17:57.920 --> 00:18:00.519 Europe would let us do this, and the government happily 305 00:18:00.559 --> 00:18:04.160 going along with it, whichever government flavor it was. So 306 00:18:04.160 --> 00:18:06.279 when eventually you say, well there's this big thing in 307 00:18:06.319 --> 00:18:08.799 Europe that prevents us doing things. Do you want to 308 00:18:08.799 --> 00:18:11.759 get out of it? Everyone went, yeah, let's change it. Yeah, 309 00:18:11.839 --> 00:18:15.440 well half the country did, and it wasn't really about 310 00:18:15.440 --> 00:18:17.240 the issue that was being voted on. I think that's 311 00:18:17.359 --> 00:18:21.079 kind of what's happening now, particularly people want to change. 312 00:18:21.480 --> 00:18:23.839 It's very difficult, I think if you're a political party 313 00:18:25.240 --> 00:18:27.759 most of them at the moment to say you see 314 00:18:27.759 --> 00:18:30.200 those people over there, they're completely amateurs and idiots and 315 00:18:30.279 --> 00:18:32.839 brand new and they've never done anything in the political sphere. 316 00:18:33.240 --> 00:18:35.920 You should listen to me because no matter which party 317 00:18:35.960 --> 00:18:38.200 I'm from, if I've been in the political establishment for 318 00:18:38.480 --> 00:18:41.839 over the last ten years, I've probably things up quite 319 00:18:41.880 --> 00:18:44.279 royally for you, because all of them have. 320 00:18:46.200 --> 00:18:51.079 I why it's up, and I won't up like the 321 00:18:51.119 --> 00:18:55.359 other ones because I'm better. Yeah, it's quite che. 322 00:18:55.200 --> 00:18:57.240 By Na Dean Dorries at the moment saying that the 323 00:18:57.279 --> 00:19:02.160 Online Harms Bill because now it's affecting reform, should be repealed, 324 00:19:02.160 --> 00:19:04.160 even though she was the one who actually did a 325 00:19:04.200 --> 00:19:07.880 soft wrap I think was part of her promo campaign 326 00:19:08.119 --> 00:19:11.119 for it. Yeah, anyway, we should probably have some sort 327 00:19:11.160 --> 00:19:13.720 of go back to a full on monarchy instead. 328 00:19:14.079 --> 00:19:17.160 Yes, that's the way. That's the way. So basically, can 329 00:19:18.759 --> 00:19:22.839 you watched a football match between two blue teams and 330 00:19:22.920 --> 00:19:23.880 one of the blue teams? 331 00:19:24.160 --> 00:19:27.680 No sports? Go blue team sports? 332 00:19:27.799 --> 00:19:30.000 Yes exactly, So there we go. 333 00:19:30.039 --> 00:19:33.559 Speaking of a monarchy, let's talk about oysters. 334 00:19:34.000 --> 00:19:34.799 Oysters. 335 00:19:34.920 --> 00:19:39.359 Yes, absolutely, Well, there'll be a link to this out 336 00:19:39.359 --> 00:19:41.640 in the show notes people, But I would like to 337 00:19:41.759 --> 00:19:45.599 try your eye. Imagine a sort of you're hovering over 338 00:19:45.640 --> 00:19:48.440 the UK. You're up there at very high altitude, look 339 00:19:48.519 --> 00:19:51.319 down to the bottom left sort of the bit that's 340 00:19:51.359 --> 00:19:53.480 not quite the good bit which is Cornwall. But the 341 00:19:53.480 --> 00:19:57.000 bit before, which is Devon, isn't quite as good as Cornwall, 342 00:19:57.480 --> 00:19:59.359 but it's better than Somerset. We can all agree on 343 00:19:59.400 --> 00:20:00.559 that it does. 344 00:20:00.599 --> 00:20:02.880 Do the right thing. With a cream tea? Am I 345 00:20:02.960 --> 00:20:06.359 correcting that they put they put cream on first, then 346 00:20:06.440 --> 00:20:09.240 the jam. That's that's the better thing about Devon, is 347 00:20:09.240 --> 00:20:11.279 that right, Richard? That won't create any. 348 00:20:13.640 --> 00:20:15.920 I actually do agree with that the Devon way is better. 349 00:20:15.920 --> 00:20:18.000 But if I stay that in Cornwall, I'll be shot. 350 00:20:18.559 --> 00:20:19.839 He's been gone for so long. 351 00:20:20.160 --> 00:20:23.279 Anyway, Back to oysters, Yes, Berg, So you go down 352 00:20:23.279 --> 00:20:26.279 to the River Avon. Yeah, and then all the way 353 00:20:26.319 --> 00:20:31.279 down there's the there's a place called Batham and at Batham, 354 00:20:31.599 --> 00:20:35.160 man called tim Edwards was farming oysters and it's on 355 00:20:35.240 --> 00:20:40.279 the dutchy Cornwall land and the estate that owns the 356 00:20:40.319 --> 00:20:42.920 riverbed there, and they said no, you're not allowed to 357 00:20:42.920 --> 00:20:48.119 farm oysters here anymore because he was farming Pacific oysters, 358 00:20:48.519 --> 00:20:52.799 not our native oysters. And they could be sort of 359 00:20:52.839 --> 00:20:55.440 farmed in the intertital zone. You have these big cage things. 360 00:20:55.680 --> 00:20:57.279 They've got one of the men I straights up here 361 00:20:57.279 --> 00:21:00.599 in North Wales, and you farm them there and they 362 00:21:00.599 --> 00:21:05.680 are so that they're triploid, so effectively the sterile, and 363 00:21:07.359 --> 00:21:10.440 it's meant to be that there is no effect on 364 00:21:10.559 --> 00:21:13.839 the habitat from the farming, but they do escape at 365 00:21:13.839 --> 00:21:16.640 the spread to where they spread to other places, they 366 00:21:16.640 --> 00:21:18.519 break off and you get all sorts of things, but 367 00:21:18.559 --> 00:21:20.599 they don't they don't reproduce. 368 00:21:20.759 --> 00:21:21.799 What's different about. 369 00:21:23.240 --> 00:21:27.680 They're from the other side of the world. Yeah, it 370 00:21:27.799 --> 00:21:32.200 is the American signal crayfish compared to our native brown. 371 00:21:32.400 --> 00:21:35.000 That's what it is, except without the predation and the disease. 372 00:21:35.359 --> 00:21:39.440 Do they look different? They look all right, Okay, So 373 00:21:39.559 --> 00:21:43.839 one's like a standard white, the oyster we all know 374 00:21:43.920 --> 00:21:45.519 and love. And then what do these look like? 375 00:21:46.720 --> 00:21:50.039 Yeah, so native voices that the I suppose to call 376 00:21:50.079 --> 00:21:53.200 them more squish the flatter, whereas the Pacific oisters are 377 00:21:53.200 --> 00:21:55.119 big and jagged and sort of the size of your hand. 378 00:21:56.000 --> 00:21:56.279 Right. 379 00:21:57.279 --> 00:21:59.559 But he's been told he's not allowed to farm them 380 00:21:59.599 --> 00:22:04.759 anymore because they're non native, Okay, which is interesting, so 381 00:22:05.599 --> 00:22:08.119 on paper, not doing any harm. But the reason that 382 00:22:08.240 --> 00:22:11.359 Dutches say they've given them is that they are non native, 383 00:22:11.640 --> 00:22:13.559 which I find very very interesting. 384 00:22:14.240 --> 00:22:18.359 So I assume they're going to stop pheasant shooting, well, 385 00:22:18.599 --> 00:22:20.880 there be no more mont jack and gray squirrels will 386 00:22:20.880 --> 00:22:21.119 all go. 387 00:22:22.359 --> 00:22:26.000 Pheasant shooting starts with pheasant farming too a degree. 388 00:22:26.640 --> 00:22:29.200 Of course, So the native British pheasant. 389 00:22:29.480 --> 00:22:33.359 Is it a narrow wedge, you know, well native but 390 00:22:33.440 --> 00:22:34.319 non native. 391 00:22:34.640 --> 00:22:37.319 Artridge that will obviously not stick around. 392 00:22:37.359 --> 00:22:42.160 Of course, to be fair, where Sandringham is, they are 393 00:22:42.200 --> 00:22:46.079 no longer allowed to put pheasants down. But I think 394 00:22:46.119 --> 00:22:48.240 more to the point is that they let's think about 395 00:22:48.279 --> 00:22:51.839 their farming. They are actually farming, and I can assure 396 00:22:51.839 --> 00:22:57.200 you that on dutchy Land they have not all got 397 00:22:57.400 --> 00:23:02.839 on their farms native breed cattle and cheap so therefore 398 00:23:03.240 --> 00:23:08.559 it's a bit oxymoronic. So is it bad too? I mean, okay, 399 00:23:08.640 --> 00:23:13.519 So what's the downsides ecologically speaking of having a triploid 400 00:23:13.720 --> 00:23:18.079 i A something that can't actually spread. What is the 401 00:23:18.119 --> 00:23:25.880