Speaker 1: All right, welcome in. It is time for total basis.
It is Thursday, Tokyo. Brandon's back. We've got two games
to talk about. We only had one game to talk
about yesterday, but we kind of were both in agreement
on the over and that game soared over. I think
we had seventeen runs in total. I ended up shutting
it off. I mean I didn't have any action anyway
with Brian Leonard. I know you were were on the
over in some capacity in that game.
Speaker 2: So welcome in. Talk talk about your day yesterday for
a minute.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been a really nice around sixteen and four
now four and oh yesterday, the only thing I had
to sweat was a small play on the Mariners team
total over. You had two in the first I thought
they're going to get more, and then I had to
wait all the way to the I think believe the
eighth to get the other two. But yeah, we had
the over, We had the football game, the blow out
in the football game, we had winner and underdog winner
in hockey on the Detroit Red Wings. So yeah, as
they say in the card, very well, right now, how.
Speaker 2: Was your dinner TV?
Speaker 4: It was good. I had a good dinner Unfortunately, I'm
not going to be on the show tomorrow either because
I have another dinner party that I have to go to.
But you know all these dinner parties. Sorry, anyways, I'm.
Speaker 3: Here to popular I'll tell you.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it sucks eating nice food at nice restaurants
in Tokyo. But I won my five percent play yesterday.
I was on the Blue Jays and so I was
pretty happy about that result. That was a rocking chair win,
as they say, as you guys were talking about before
the game, you guys had the over. So it looks
like we all did all right in MLB yesterday. So yeah,
let's talk about today.
Speaker 1: I'll just say, you know, for people that don't know,
I'm sure most of the guests know at this point,
but like Tokyo, Brandon is actually in Tokyo.
Speaker 2: He's doing the show at night.
Speaker 1: I applaud you for being able to do this all
year at night no issues, because I know, like there's
no way I would be able to do a show
five days a week at the time that you do
it without having.
Speaker 2: Like constant conflicts. You know of things to do, so
not a problem.
Speaker 4: Would you appreciate I don't have much of a social life, so.
Speaker 1: I don't really either, but like, it's just so much
harder to do things that at night. Like I've tried
to do nighttime like shows before, you know, with with
Gabe sports grad like stuff like that, and it's just
like much much more difficult.
Speaker 2: So props to you for being able to do this
all year.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna give our show a little retweet here
as folks file in, and uh, it's it's awesome that
we still have people. It's October sixteenth and we still
got people showing up to hear us talk Baseball. We're
gonna ride this out right through the World Series and
two games today, So let's start in the National League.
Speaker 2: We'll go to Brian Leonard Brewers Dodgers.
Speaker 1: This is the this this was the series where we
kind of talked yesterday and we said, well, if there
was a team that's probably going to get back into
it might be.
Speaker 2: The Blue Jays.
Speaker 1: That seems to be the team that the series that
maybe has a little bit more juice from a you know,
kind of being able to provide us with some drama
type series that being set.
Speaker 2: I don't know that you even with.
Speaker 1: The fact that the Brewers are an underdog today, Brian,
Are you writing this team off or are they getting swept?
Speaker 2: Do they have any chance here? In your opinion?
Speaker 3: I think this is the game that they can grab.
If they lose here, they may be written off. Right now.
There's not a picture listed because they're looking to use
Ose Quintana, and we don't know if he's going to
be the starter or if they're going to bring somebody
else into open and then he comes in. But all
hands on deck since they had yesterday off the current
line and they're going against Alaska Glass Now for the Dodgers,
current line looks to be around the one ninety range,
total seven and a half, slightly to the over. The
reason why I'm somewhat interested in Milwaukee here is I'd
like the veteran pitcher going today. I don't know how
long Quentana's gonna go, but keep in mind he hasn't
pitched in a while, and that's my only concern here.
But I do like the Milwaukee bullpen. They've gone with
bullpen games before and they've had a lot of success. Really,
per Alton and Priests are really the only two that
they've used in the playoffs for the most part. But
the reason why I think they've got a chance here
is glass Now is either really good or he struggles.
He doesn't have the consistency of some of the other
starters in this game, and that is a concern when
you take a look at glass Now on the season
excuse me, three point one nine, three point two five
expected one point people looked really good last time out,
but his chase rate remains in the first percentile, walk
rate in the percent So he's going to put some
batters on and that's been the problem with Milwaukee in
this series so far. They have not had many batters on.
I believe they've only had like one and three hits
or something like that the first two games of the series.
They're a patient team. They can get some walks here
against glass Now, and he's not a guy that goes
very long. He's had eighteen starts ninety innings, so we're
probably looking at four to five innings of glass Now,
no more than that, probably, which exposes the Dodgers' bullpen.
It's better than it was earlier this year, but it's
still the weakness of the team. So the way I'm
looking at it as of right now, and I literally
just rolled out of bed right before the game, so
I haven't read anything overnight since I've gone to bed.
So right now I'm looking for a way to play
on the Brewers. I don't know if it'll be a
team total or what it'll be, but I think there's
value there, and it's a lot of these underdogs haven't
had a lot of value. I think might be something
on the Browers here.
Speaker 4: It seems like Dave Roberts learned his lesson from game one,
leaving Yoummoto in the entire game in game two, so
he must have caught a lot of flak for that,
and he learned his lesson, it seems, so hopefully he
can not make any more stupid decisions and almost lose
the game for his uber talented team. If you look,
I don't, Brian. I'm not sure why you think glass
now will get pulled early. He went six innings in
his last start against Philly. But you're right, he's either
really good or really bad. So if he starts to
show signs of a weakness there, yeah, they might give
him a quick cook. But if he's handling, handling him
pretty well, I think given how Dave Roberts handled Game two.
I think he'll leave him in for six innings here.
I mean there's a chance if he pitches well. Now,
Glass Now against the Brewers has a one forty one
hour average against in a five to ten OPS, which
is really good numbers. And at home he's got a
two seven to seven ERA compared to a four oh
eight e RA in the Roads. So I think last
night will be pretty solid here. And Kintana, he's got
decent numbers against the Dodgers, but I'm just not sure
how many of those numbers came in the latter part
of his career, or when he was a met or
or before that. So his last game he went only
three innings. The game before that he went only four innings.
So not sure how much of Kintana we're gonna see.
Might see a lot of Brewers bullpen here, So if
you like the Brewers bullpen against LA, then yeah, they
would be a good a good side to back here.
I think last now, I think the Brewers team total
under in the first five might be a decent play.
I haven't done it yet because under one and a
half is so hard to play in MLB. I'm looping
a blast boom, your bet is dead. So I don't
know if I'll play it or not, but uh, that
would be the way I would go if I were to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So a couple couple thoughts here in terms of, like,
you know, I was on the Brewers in game two,
and part of my handicap. The frustrating thing for me
was that part of my handicap I never had it.
It never had a chance to materialize because of course
Yamamodo went the distance. So kind of going back to
a tokyo, Brandon was saying, he, yeah, I don't even think.
I don't think Roberts really had had a tough choice
to make it that game.
Speaker 2: I mean, he was just in cruise control. He had
a lead.
Speaker 1: There, there was like a his pitch count was down there,
there was virtually Yeah. But here's the here's the let
me explain to you the difference between those two Snell
was at one hundred and three pitches going into the
ninth inning in a one nothing game that became a
two nothing game. So if you're Roberts, you're looking at
the ninth and saying, Okay, it's getting close. If he doesn't,
if he let's say he puts.
Speaker 2: The first guy on this guy on.
Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna have to bring probably his his his.
I think his mindset was, well, I want to bring
Sasaki in this game anyway. This is a young, younger
guy that's had a tough time with his confidence. He's
he's gotten down on himself at some point, you know,
Like I don't want to bring him into a bad
situation inherited runners, like I want to give him the
clean inning. And I think the second run in Game
one sort of gave Roberts the like cushion to be like,
all right, now I have a two run lead. I'm
comfortable bringing him into the game with a two run lead,
Like I'm just I'm actually going to defend Dave Roppers
in the first in Game one, I didn't mind that.
I also would not have minded if they left Smell in. Like,
I don't think either decision is the wrong decision there.
Game two is it was a no brainer, ya, i'mamotos cruising.
Had it really given up anything. He's got a five
to one lead, there's absolutely no reason to take him out.
So I don't think that there was a really like
a tough decision for him in game two in this game.
Like I'm I'm much. I don't think that he I
don't think last now is gonna like he's certainly not
throwing the whole game, and I don't mind that. Like,
you know, I know he went deep in his last
dart TV.
Speaker 2: What'd you say? It went six innings. I'm just trying
to get it up here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was six.
Speaker 3: Run less than two in the one before that though.
Speaker 2: In the playoff. Yeah, I mean, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Like I'm kind of with Brian in the respect that
like Glass now still shows signs of you know, he
he's still He's still a guy that I think has
some some cracks at this point. So this is another
guy We've talked about a couple yesterday and Bieber and
George Kirby. This is another guy that had to work
around a mid season injury. Right, he was hurt, he
got he went down early in the season, had to
go and basically shut it down rehab an injury in
the middle of this of the season.
Speaker 2: And and very like George Kirby.
Speaker 1: Esque, he's had you know, he's not getting like he's
had trouble in departments where when Tyler Glasnew is on,
you're never seeing those.
Speaker 2: Issues for him.
Speaker 1: So so you know you talk about like bottom seven
percent of major League baseball and walk right like, when
Tyler Glasnew is normal, is not injured, is his usual self,
Like he's not walking batters at that rate, He's not
in the bottom one percent in chase rate, right, Like,
he's gonna get far more swing and miss when he's on.
You know, you look at his regular season numbers this year,
which i've i've here here, they go like, yeah, you know,
they were pretty good, three point one ninety one point one,
zero whip. But I'll say the same thing I said
about Shane Bieber yesterday, his saying, you know, his inning
sample size was only ninety innings, right, ninety point one innings,
So if he had another one hundred, is his whip
one point one?
Speaker 2: Oh my my gut is saying.
Speaker 1: With with some of the categories he's struggling in, maybe
not right, Like, I don't think you can.
Speaker 2: I don't think you can just put.
Speaker 1: Guys on base like that or like if you're not
It's what's interesting to me is that he's still his
strikeout rate is still very good, but he's not getting
a ton of swing and miss, which means he's pretty
effective in the zone.
Speaker 2: So that's I guess a good That would be a
check mark in the in the good column for Glass
now for sure.
Speaker 1: But like I'll go back to the kind of our
conversation the last couple of days, Brian, where like the
Brewers are scrappy team.
Speaker 2: I think if, like, if you've got to work in the.
Speaker 1: Zone, which is really what Glass now is going to
probably have to do here, you gotta think that they
can generate a little more offense than they could have
off of Snell and Yamamoto, who were just so good
that they didn't even have a chance, right, Like, how
many like I know you sort of said it, what
how many base runners have the Brewers had the last
in the first two games of this series.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I believe they had just one without a walk
and game game one in three and one walk maybe
the other game. So it's been, uh, it's been uh
tough to get the base runners on and uh and
do what they do best. I think they'll have a
little bit more success there against the last. Now, No,
he's an excellent pitcher, no doubt about it, but he's
not pitching as well as the other two guys, and
so it's a little bit of a break there. And
obviously Milwaukee doesn't have their starters going up per Altus
as I expected. He's struggled a little bit in the playoffs.
But if Malwaukee's got shot in any game, this would
be the one. And right now, with the Doctors up to.
Speaker 5: To nothing, everybody's writing off Milwaukee, and even our friend
Tokyo Brandon knows you don't write off the Brewers. So yeah,
if you're looking to play one underdog in this series,
this may be the time to do it.
Speaker 1: I'll just yeah, I do want to finish up one
thing in retard in regards to the handicap, because I
I'd be remiss if I didn't at least point out,
like listen, Quintana's not a better pitcher than Glass now,
He's got a lot of things that concern me. Like So,
I think if I was gonna bet on the Brewers here,
I'm looking at it from this standpoint.
Speaker 2: I would want the run and a half.
Speaker 1: So I would want the plus one and a half
cushion with the road team here right now, it's like
minus one thirty. I think if the Dodgers took some
more money throughout the day and maybe knock that down
ten cents.
Speaker 2: I'd be even more willing to get involved with that.
Speaker 1: And the way I would look at it is, I'm
gonna trade getting the run and a half for being
at a pitching disadvantage. But I'm gonna have to decide
how much I trust Pat Murphy to push the right
buttons here? How long is he gonna leave Quintana in?
Who is he using out of the bullpen? Is he
willing to bring in Misroski or no? Because he's gonna
have to be the game four guy. But like, if
you don't win game three, then the game four is
are almost irrelevant. So it's like there is a lot
of different ways that this game can go for Milwaukee.
And I think it comes down to, like, do you
think Pat Murphy has a good game plan? Do you
think he can push the right buttons to keep the
Brewers in this game? If the answer is yes, I
think you consider the plus one and a half here
with the Brewers. If the answer if you think the
answers no, it might be tough to get to window.
Speaker 2: Get to the window with the Brewers. Sorry, TV were
you gonna add something there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, one thing to mention, although Glass now has really
good stats against these Milwaukee batters in his career, his
postseason era in his career is four eight nine, so
he does tend to be a choker in the playoffs.
So that that does go towards what Brian was saying.
So which is which? Which trump's which? You know, the
head to head stats or the career playoffs stats. We'll
see tonight. I will say though, that the Dodgers are
probably the only lineup, the most deadly six through nine
lineup in all of Major League Baseball. So that's something
to consider as well.
Speaker 1: Victoria El says Kent State graduate here love the hoodie. Yeah,
I was just talking to Brian off Air. I just
kind of, you know, I was I was doing some
MAC basketball preview or prep, just reading some previews and
trying to get through all the different conferences. And that
was cold this morning. It's it's finally getting cold here
in central New York. Went over to the closet, I said,
you know, and I'm in a MAC mood today, so
I'll throw Kent State's hoodie on. Brian of course went
to Akron, so he was not thrilled to see this
when I logged in, But yeah, Kent State had a
great time at the Mac Center, very like unique, kind
of cool venue.
Speaker 2: I went there with Brian Power.
Speaker 1: We put down a few Golden Flashes loggers at the game, so.
Speaker 2: They have their they have their you know what, that's it.
That's a big thing. Brian.
Speaker 1: I look for that, like, listen, you gotta have you
gotta have a team beer or a team drink like
that to me is a no brainer. If you are like,
there's always a local brewery, do a partnership, make yourself
a beer with the logo on it.
Speaker 2: I was, I really like, looked for those last year
and you lost. You lose points in my book if
you don't have a beer with your logo on it,
that's partnering with a local brewery. So I believe the
Kent State version is the Golden Flashes lagger, and yeah,
Brian Power and I had a few of those. We
had a great time and a very cool venue.
Speaker 1: And I will say this, and I've said this numerous times,
Kent State achron basketball game was one of the best
sports atmospheres I have ever been to any sporting event
that game I went to was at Akron. They definitely
just let anyone and everyone in probably put probably you know,
good thing the fire Marshal didn't show up. They probably
oversold the building by five hundred people. People standing on
the track up like they have a track around the top.
Speaker 2: And it was just total may him so shout out
to Kent State.
Speaker 1: Akron an elite rivalry that I don't think a lot
of people know about. All right, let's uh, let's move
it along. The Zips that's right, TV, the Zips and
the Flashes. Also two great men, I mean, two great
mascots right there, Like you know, we don't need any
more wildcats.
Speaker 2: Okay, we don't need any more bulldogs.
Speaker 4: Give me and Akron and Ken State are both the
same colors too, so.
Speaker 2: Well, Brian helped me out there. I think there. I
think Akron's got a slightly different goal.
Speaker 3: The acrons blue and white and kind of is blue
and yellow.
Speaker 2: There's Zippy, the.
Speaker 3: Akron mascot, one mascot of the year two years maybe
a decade ago. Uh so, nobody knows about him, but
he they have a contest for some reason, and he
has one or I think it's a she actually she
has won two years, some acro on the soccer championship
one year, and Zippy has won a couple of years.
That's basically your acron history there for sports.
Speaker 4: The accolades of the Akron Zips.
Speaker 1: Tim Tim says, Adam, are you doing your college basketball
previews this year? A couple of people people have asked
me that, and so the answer is no. But the
only reason for that is we are. We We are
gonna do a college basketball show very similar to this
one in the same times actually in a slightly different
time slot. We're gonna go ten am Eastern Monday through Friday.
It's gonna be myself, Rob Vino and Brian Power, and
so we are putting the effort, the pre that that
would normally be put into doing previews, into making sure
that that show is ready to rock come day one.
So the first episode of that show, the first episode
of that show, as Jersey tugging Sports and Games in
the chat says you know that. He says, what date
does the new show start? That'll be November three, Monday,
November three, that is when college basketball tips off, and
we will be hitting the ground running with five Monday
through Friday. So it's basically the same I and again,
don't quote me on that. I got to ask the producers,
but I'm fairly certain that we are in the ten
to eleven time slot, I think, But don't quote me
on that because.
Speaker 2: That's not my that's not my call.
Speaker 1: But I do think it's gonna be ten am as
opposed to nine am, and the goal will be the
same format. So we're gonna we are taking the total
basis format and trying to apply it to college basketball,
which could go completely off the rails. There's three hundred
and sixty four Division one college basketball schools.
Speaker 2: But we're still gonna, I said, I pushed back.
Speaker 1: I said, the people the chat wants to talk about
what they want to talk about. If the chat rolls
up and asks about Saint Bonaventure, we're answered, that's what
we're talking about. If the chat wants to talk about Villanova,
we'll talk about Villanova.
Speaker 2: So I think it's gonna be a really good show.
Speaker 1: Rob Vino has more info in his brain than like
everyone at this company combined. So we're good. We're it's
not going to be a problem. And uh, you know,
I follow the small conferences up here in the Northeast.
I usually have something to add when you ask about, uh,
you know, just some some random Jesuit school in New York,
like with two thousand kids.
Speaker 2: I'm usually covering that one. Take Sanna Bryant, Yeah, Arizona rules.
Make sure your boy, your boy will be at that game.
That that's the first game I'm going to this year.
The alma mater has invited me back to go down
to that game. So, uh, I've got some nice press passes.
I will be at Sianna Bryant on Opening night, and
uh yeah, I hope, I hope.
Speaker 1: We're gonna run Brian out of the building. That's that's
I truly hope that's that's the case. Sianna's got a
great team this year. I will get back to baseball though,
I'm sorry I could. You guys got me all excited
talking about college hoop. But we still have another baseball
game to talk about. And so, Brian Leonard, I'm heading
back to you. We had Mariners Blue Jays. You crushed
this game last night, team total over full game over
Blue Jay Tokyo. Brandon with the Blue Jays bats, so
you got you You both sort of just printed in
this game, and the Blue Jays are now back in
the mix in this series. Two games to one, going
to you, Brian Leonard, Do the Mariners regain control of
the series?
Speaker 2: Tonight?
Speaker 3: Shares are in Castill going shares Are hasn't pitched in
a while, and Castill's been better, but I don't know
how long they're gonna leave him out there for this
one we're looking at. See, I don't only about a
one twenty one, twenty five favorite in that range seven
and a half to the under. Yesterday's total was seven
with Bieber and Kirby. This one's seven and a half
with a rusty Scherzer and a Castillo who's not as
good as Kirby is. And so the first thing I'm
gonna look at is back at the over again. As
she said, that was a no doubter all the way through,
and and I know this is a good pitcher's park,
but they're not taken into account. These are two of
the top five hitting baseball teams on the season, and
you heat it up a couple of guys yesterday that
have been struggling. So that's my first look. Scherzer comes
in with a five point one to nine four point
seven to nine expected one point twenty nine whip. His
four seamer, in which he's dominated on in the past,
is down to ninety three point six miles an hour,
so he doesn't have the big fastball that he had
in the in the past. His barrel rate is in
the second percentinle ground ball rate second percentile me's a
lot of fly balls, and home runs come for fly balls.
I don't know if anybody knows that, but unless you
were watching the last time the Brewers played, where they
had a fly ball that ended up as a play groundout,
which was the funniest play I've ever seen in my life.
But getting back to today's game, yeah, I don't know
if I trust Sers. I don't know how long he's
going to go. But while he's in there, he's not
the same picture as he was. He's a bulldog. I mean,
he's a great guy to have on the team. And
but you know, you look at Lewis Castillo, Luis Castile
three point five four ERA four point one zero expected
one point one eight whip, and he's very much the same.
The only thing he's better than the league averaging is
basically his fastball veloss. He's sixtieth percentile. He doesn't walk
anybody eighty second percentile, but he's got first percentile extension
and he's which means that the batter has more time
to see the pitch. Our hit rate eighth percentile, barrel
rate seventeenth percentile, average eggs velocity twenty second percentile. There
is nothing on these two pitchers to make me think
this is going to be a low scoring game. The
only way it would be is if the Seattle bullpen
gets involved early and they get some of the better
pitchers out there. I don't think it's going to happen.
I think this game goes over the total very much
like yesterday. This one will probably be on my card
once again. I like you over here at seven and
a half in year, and you can get it at
you know, very cheap numbers at a lot of places
out there. I'm seeing a few places at like a
minus one eighteen minus one twenty on the under. So yeah,
it's it's a no brainer for me. I'm gonna play
the over again in this one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Sures is one of those guys. He's definitely past
his prime, but you know he still has the ability
to step up in big games, in my opinion, But
for how long he's breaking down, you can see it
in his stat When was the last time Max Scherzer
had a five plus ERA? Doesn't happen that often, and
you can tell he's breaking down. But I think I
think he's got a little gas in the tank to
at least give him three good innings here. They'll probably
he'll probably have a short hook. In his last game,
he went five innings, but that was in the regular
season against Boston. He went five innings before that against
the Orioles, got shelled against Kansas City before that. But
you know, in the playoffs you can kind of throw
stats out the window a little bit. I think I
think he's good for three innings. We might see like
one earned in three innings with three strikeouts, pretty much
what I would expect from Schurzer. On the other hand,
Castillo another guy who's on the downward trajectory of his career,
but not quite as far as Shuser. I think Castillo
still has a little more gas left in his tank.
But I like the Toronto Bats now that they finally
woken up. I think I think a Toronto team total
over might be decent or I agree with Brian, we
might see a game total over here. I think both
pitchers can be had and can be gotten to. And
like Brian said, these are two of the best lineups
in MLB. I mean, you don't think of Seattle as
a big hitting team, but I mean, man, just on
and on and on. You know Naylor, you know they're
six through nine, pretty solid, Naylor and Suarez back there.
Those are two guys who can hit a home run
any at that and the Blue Jays also six through
nine pretty solid. Looks like an over to me as well.
Speaker 1: I leaned toward the Mariners yesterday thankfully didn't didn't do
anything with the game.
Speaker 2: I passed on the game they got destroyed.
Speaker 1: But I I'm even more I'm probably gonna come back
and play the Mariners here. So you know, both of
these I think the starting pitchers, you could probably make
an argument for a similar argument for both.
Speaker 2: It's they've obviously both had very nice careers.
Speaker 1: Sure's are Hall of Fame career, I mean, no one's
No one's knocking like the caliber of pitcher that these
guys were or have been throughout their careers. Clearly they're
not the same guy that they were in their prime.
That being set, and I think and listen, Max Scherzer
long term better than Luis Castillo right now, Like I
think I prefer Castillo the way he's throwing the ball
to Max Scherzer.
Speaker 2: Now. The other thing I want to point out here,
and this is like.
Speaker 1: Something like, listen, I don't know if you're Luis Castile,
like you've been on You've been in the league for
a long time. You've been on some bad teams. You know,
you really haven't sniffed this level of team success at
any point in your career. I just feel like he
I feel like he's leaving it all out there.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you look at what.
Speaker 1: This guy has done since since early September, he has
been awesome. September seventh against the Braves six innings of
one run ball. He has not given up more than
a run in any appearance since then, and obviously the last,
the most recent appearance was a relief appearance, and he
comes in in a high leverage in an extra inning
game five and one in a third scoreless against the Tigers.
Prior to that, four and two thirds of shutout ball. Yeah,
he had the four walks. Could the Tigers have taken advantage. Probably.
I'm not saying that he is like some elite pitcher
at this point, but he's a veteran. I think he
knows that this is his chance. He might not get
another chance at this type of role for a team
that could win in his career.
Speaker 2: And I just think he's pitching his tailoff right now.
Speaker 1: Seven and a third against the Rockies, ten strikeouts, six
shutout innings against the Royals.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is going going on for over a.
Speaker 1: Month now, and you talk about like some nice rest
between starts.
Speaker 2: He had the start against the Tigers.
Speaker 1: He came in in relief, so it's been it's been
eleven days since that start. I believe since his most
recent start against the Tigers. He should be well rested.
I'm not saying Surezer doesn't care. That's not what I'm saying.
I'm not saying that he's or that he wouldn't be
as up for the moment. But I think when you've
kind of looked at cherser this season, like to me,
he's clearly not like he's clearly not the same guy.
Forty one years old, has dealt with some injuries, like
whereas Louis Castillo, I think is just more on his
gradual sort of decline as he gets up there in age.
But I still think Luis Castillo might have like more
left in the tank at this point. So when I
look at these two next to each other, I see
issues with both. But I see how Luis Castillo has
been pitching lately. I see how he's sort of been
in the big spots in that series with the Tigers
and this. I just feel like this is like the
biggest start of his career. Like when he looks back,
it's like he's had a great career. He's finally in
the ALCS. He wins here, he could possibly go to
a World Series. I don't know, it's gonna be hard
to pass that up. With the home team, I still
think the Mariners. Mariners have been better in this series. Yes,
it went off the rails when they've kind of got
blown off last night, blown out last night. So I
think I'm going to be back on the Mariners here.
That's where that's the way I'm looking go ahead.
Speaker 3: Brian TV mentioned how long it's been since Surezer's pitch.
He hasn't pitched since with the twenty fourth the last month,
so he's gone over three weeks without pitching, and if
you go back his last starts before that, he's pitched
a total of twenty five innings. It's given up a
total of twenty five earned runs. Granted, the rest may
help him in that regard, but still, this is a guy.
He's forty one years old. He's going to give up
some runs in this game. It would not surprise me
if if the host gets six runs or whatever in
this game again and we see another over.
Speaker 1: I also think, like, let's say, I think right now,
as I watched these games, if there was going to
be a manager that hit the panic button and made
a bad decision or a decision that was gonna put
his team in a tough position, it's probably Schneider.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's Dan Wilson.
Speaker 1: I feel like Dan Wilson's just kind of like I
feel like he trusts his team more, especially the pitching.
I think he's gonna he'll he'll have Castillo out here.
It's almost like, hey, it's your start. Yeah, obviously we'll
go to the bullpen if we're in trouble. Whereas like
and I'll throw it back to YouTube, Like I don't know, like,
do you think like, cause Schneider did did this, did that?
You know, made that crazy move where he went to
the bullpen super early in the Yankees series, took Bieber
out and suddenly he was in a he was in
a world of trouble.
Speaker 2: It was the game that Aaron Judge hit the home run.
The Yankees came back and won.
Speaker 1: And the reason I say that that could possibly be
an issue again this Blue Jay's bullpen. If you go
back to the day Yimi Garcia got hurt on July second,
third era is close to five, like that they they
have a couple of nice arms, but I don't know
that I like trust them to go get six innings
worth of outs on the road. So like again, like
that's that's to me, that's putting me on the Mariners
a little bit here.
Speaker 2: Going back to what you guys are saying, it could be.
Speaker 1: A shorter outing for Sureser or Schneider sitting there to
one and saying, hey, like we have to win this game.
You know, Shure's a is not gonna want to come
out Like there's that's there could be like a I
don't know that.
Speaker 2: That's that's just kind of how I'm seeing that one.
Speaker 3: I can't agree on.
Speaker 2: You're you're you're muted, TV Brian. Do you do you
think oh your back go ahead? Okay.
Speaker 4: I think as a rule of thumb, uh, these managers
should leave their pitchers in until they get in trouble.
This pulling guy is after giving one hit in five
innings is just ridiculous in the playoffs.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, TV H Max Schurzer hasn't
pitched in three weeks.
Speaker 2: He was left off the A L. D roster.
Speaker 1: Now he's here, now he's in trouble in the second inning.
What like does that Is that a good scenario for
the Blue Jays because you're either going to have Schneider
sitting there say shit, I owe this, this is a
Hall of Famer. Can I go get him? Or do
I go get him? And then everyone gets pissed off,
including maybe Shures or even though we just saw a
shres or blow up in the first inning not too
long ago, so it's like, I don't know, it just
doesn't seem like.
Speaker 2: The best scenario for the Blue Jays. Brian, What were
you going to say?
Speaker 3: Sorry, Yeah, I disagree with with TV on that I
would prefer at this point of the season, you have
one of your long relievers. If it is Toronto, you've
got either Lower or Basket. They haven't pitched since Monday
and they only threw basically twenty pitches each in a
full pay game. I have one of those guys get
up at the first sign of trouble and just have
him warm up, because if he can get out of it,
they're probably not going to pitch anymore in the rest
of the game anyway, because you've got other pitch They
are more talented at the back of that bullpen. So
I want to have somebody ready if the pers sign
if he's not doing well, you know, sure's there's a veterant.
He understands. He blame himself. I don't think he can
get mad at the manager for pulling him out. That's
just my opinion on the game. Again, too important to
not have somebody warmed up. And we've seen that in
these playoffs where all of a sudden, the guy gets
something happens to the guy, and all of a sudden,
the manager comes out, and then the catcher comes out,
and there's it's clearly just killing time in order for
that reliever to get ready, and then he's got to
come in faster than they normally would. I would have
either Lower or Basset warming up in the bullpen, probably
the second or third in it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think Sures is going to go long.
I said earlier, I think three innings max for him,
But I think he can give a good three innings.
What I'm talking about about these managers is pulling Snell
or you know, pulling someone like Glass now if they have,
like if they've only given up two hits in one
walk in five innings, you don't pull that picture. You
wait until they get in trouble to pull them. In
my opinion, I mean, you did that in the regular
season and you won ninety games. Why would you change
that that theory?
Speaker 3: Now it's different. Now you lose, you're out. So yeah,
these are much more important than regular season games.
Speaker 4: But I'd much rather I'd much rather have a Glass
now pitching out of trouble than putting Trina in and
trying to get him to get out of trouble. So,
you know, Dave Roberts is and more on. I think
I think I think Schneider is in a little over
his head. He seems to be panicking a little bit
in the games that I've seen. Yesterday was just a snoozer,
so he didn't have to make a decision.
Speaker 2: TV.
Speaker 1: I think I agree with you from the standpoint where
it's like, if a guy's clearly cruising, I think I'm
starting to lean toward like put him back out there.
And you gotta like, at this point, it's like, why
do these why why do these managers not trust to
highlight a leverage arm to come in and get him
out with a guy on base, Because it's like, if
a guy is just cruising, Like why would you not
put him back out there?
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like what what? What? What is?
Speaker 1: Why would you not put him back out there? If
he's if he's if he's on a roll. Now, I
guess it's like we don't know the conversations going on
in there, but I highly doubt like to use your
Just to use a Snell point, I've watched Blake Snell
long enough, there's no way he was like, yeah, man,
I'm done, I'm cooked.
Speaker 2: Like I thought.
Speaker 1: She's just like yeah, but I'm just well, like what
I'm saying, like, damn it.
Speaker 4: I've seen him argue with managers when they tried to
take him out.
Speaker 1: Because sometimes it is like it like giving the team
a different look, you're doing them a favor. If they
haven't hit Blake Snell for eight innings, you could put
you could bring in friggin Dennis Eckersley in his prime.
Speaker 2: You know's go back in time and get them.
Speaker 1: They're gonna be like, thank God, because we've just we've
just went eight innings against this guy and we can't
do anything. So so give me Mariano Rivera from ninety
eight right now, just anything other than Blake Snell throwing
us like eighty nine mile an hour curve balls and
change ups because we can't hit it. So that's so
to your point, I do think sometimes even though like
I understand their sentiment, it's like, don't don't give this
team another look that they might do better against unless
you absolutely have to write, like like let you absolutely
have to it. Hey, I don't envy these guys tough,
because you're gonna get criticized no matter what. So it's
like it's it's always gonna be damned if you do
damned if you don't. I if Snell goes out there
in the ninth gives up a hit puts two guys on.
Someone over here, some reporter over here is like, why
didn't they bring in Sasaki to close the gate? You know,
it's just you're screwed either way. But I want to
go to Rick Reynolds comment, He's right, Seattle bullpen arms,
they're way better get sign me up for Bizarro spire
brash munyos. After maybe four or five decent innings from Castillo,
I think the Mariners are in a much better spot
than the Jays in Game four.
Speaker 4: Another thing about pulling pictures is how do you define
the word trouble right? Sometimes managers can look and see
that their pictures in trouble. For example, if there's a
spot where you where you got a guy on first
base with with none or one out, you absolutely cannot
put the next guy on base. And if you throw
four straight balls in a row, you have to take
that picture out because he obviously doesn't have his command
and he's not trying to throw balls. So in that
in that case, yeah, I would take a picture out. So,
I mean it is case by case. But Blake Snell
was not in that situation in Game one. He was cruising.
So but but sure's are today now, sure's are. I
think he, like I said, he's argued with managers who
tried to take him out before, and he's got a temper.
He's a hot heead he's very opinionated, and I actually
met him when he was when he was when he
played for the Diamondbacks. But he's he's fiery, and but
I think he realizes right now that he's on the
down side of his career and he has very little
gas left in the tank. And I think the Jays
know that too, and they're just going to try and
get what they can out of it. I don't think
they're expecting five innings out of him. I think he'll
have a very short hook and I think three innings
max is what we can expect from him.
Speaker 3: He wants, he wants to be a good teammate. He's
not going to argue. He shouldn't argue. Yes, when he
was with Detroit and he was, my opinion, is a
Hall of Famer. But I agree when he was with
Detroit and he was great, that was when he was
really feisty anymore. He's a smart guy. He understands the game.
The game is too important. If he's not if he
doesn't have it. I don't think he's going to be
any problems.
Speaker 4: I agree, I agree, And I think three innings max
for him today, And honestly, I think I think he
can give three solid innings. I think I think one
earned run in three innings is what we see from him.
In my opinion. I could be wrong, could be wrong.
I think the rest is actually beneficial for him. He's
not one of those guys who's like on a time
schedule and freaks out if if he's one short, if
he's pitching on four days rest or four weeks dress.
I think he's pretty mentally uh in it as far
as pitching is concerned. Maybe his personality is a little wacky.
But and yeah, he's got two different colored eyes. It's
really weird looking at his eyes when you talk to him.
It's very hard to look at him.
Speaker 3: So dominating or whatever, you know, like help Ebrowski for
the Cardinals, when you just sort of looked in at
the relief pitcher and the bear and all bit. Uh, yeah,
this kind of throws you off a little bit.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it does.
Speaker 3: People have that. And uh, it's interesting.
Speaker 4: One point in the comments, I don't mean to dominate
to talk here, but uh, the comments are saying, yes,
Seattle's bullpen is better. Toronto didn't have to use their
good arms just so, and Seattle didn't either. It was
a very low leverage game yesterday because it was pretty
much over right away. So I think big advantage for
Toronto here, or I'm sorry, big advantage for Seattle here
if the game is tight after five innings, Toronto?
Speaker 2: Who are Toronto? Who are Toronto's good bullpen arms? At
this point?
Speaker 1: I know, I know who's pitching good right now, but like,
is there anyone in that bullpen where you're just like
in a tight game on the road, You're like, Yeah,
that's that's who I want to roll with right now?
Speaker 4: To me, there's not so Dodgy is better than Toronto's
right now.
Speaker 1: Tokyo Brandon, Yeah, the one of the great MLB debuts
for a pitcher. Max Sure's are getting called into the
game and relief. I don't even know if that was planned.
He comes in and and gets thirteen guys out in
a row. Was totally dominant. I remember watching that game.
I was in my dorm room my senior year of college.
I was watching it on my laptop. I don't know
why I can remember that, but it was. It was
two thousand and eight, and I remember Max Suers are
just sitting at my desk in college being like, who who.
Speaker 2: The hell is this?
Speaker 1: Like this was I mean, that was awesome and the
rest is kind of history because I mean he was
pretty much dominant from that point forward.
Speaker 2: So still can't believe they traded. Would they trade? I
that's a I feel like they got the d backs
have gotten abused in trades over the years.
Speaker 1: If I if I like later, like the last like
fifteen twenty years, I feel like they've made some trades
or some I don't know. They always seem to be
on the wrong end of like you know, moving a
guy ends up being like really good somewhere.
Speaker 4: Iates too speaking the glass Now, he pitched for the pirates.
Think of all the really good pitchers who pitched for
the Pirates and they got nothing in return for them,
snow Ian Snell, there's many more that I'm probably blanking
that Snell was one of them. Nothing.
Speaker 1: Do you guys have anything to promote for today before
we get off the show?
Speaker 3: That's right, Yeah, I'm going to be on the Hockey Show. Today.
Won our hockey play yesterday on Detroit is a nice
underdog against Florida. Like I said, for sixteen and four
overall run four oh yesterday, it's very likely that I'm
going to have a five percent play. It may came
up a little bit later because I still need to
study for the hockey show, but once that's over, I'll
have my plays up. And been on a really nice run.
I think we'll leave them second in baseball over the
last month, second overall in that profit. So it's been
a nice run. Just keep an eye on check my
page back later and we're all. If you follow me
on Twitter, I'll tweet something out if I do have
the five but I'll at least have a for going today,
and it looks to be maybe a multiple play days.
So looking forward to today's card in all sports, and
you have Monday night foot or excuse me, Thursday night
football and Thursday night college football as well, So full
slate of sports for everybody today, and I'll make sure
to put up a free play.
Speaker 4: Also have an MLB play out right now. And our
MLB plays under five percent, we're allowed to sell them
for nine dollars, So go to wagertalk dot com and
see what we have. I might have a big play
in the KBO tonight. I like the match up on
when Samsung, so I might put a play a big
play out in that. But the lines aren't out yet
Son as well non MLB plays Adam and I. We
are allowed to put those out for half price, so
look and see what we got later on.
Speaker 3: Guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I haven't put anything.
Speaker 1: Oh well, I actually I have a five percent NFL playout,
so I have put a play out in baseball yet.
But I have hit four four NFL in a row.
I had two five percent NFL last.
Speaker 2: Week, both of them won. I hit one on Sunday
and I felt good enough about how things were going.
I up the Monday night game a five percent with
the Falcons and watched that game at a casino in
a Bills watch party, and I bet the Falcons, and
I'm standing there. Everyone's pissed off because it's Central New York.
Speaker 1: They're all both Bills fans, and I'm sitting there with
my Falcons ticket, like, let's go. So great week of NFL,
and I put a five percenter up for Sunday. That's
up on my page. And yeah, the uh, the trade
basically what the Diamondbacks got back for Sureser and like
four other players was Ian Kennedy and Edward Jackson.
Speaker 2: No, I'm not gonna listen to Ian Kennedy slander.
Speaker 1: He had a good run when he there was a
couple of years where he was very good. Uh, but
I feel like they lost that trade. I think they
might have lost that.
Speaker 2: At any rate, we'll we'll be back in the morning.
Speaker 1: We have at least one Yeah, yeah, yeah, we should
have Wait, we'll have Will we be guaranteed two games tomorrow?
We will, right, we got two games tomorrow, no matter what.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 3: I haven't liked to the schedule yet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, no matter what, we will have a
game five if you will. Yep, we have two games
to talk about tomorrow, Game five Jays Mariners, Game four
Brewers Dodgers. So we we'll a respectable show to close
out the week for total bases and so if there's baseball,
we'll be here on Monday, Tuesday, or whatever days next week.
It's gonna be all about if the Brewers and the
and the Blue Jays can can keep these series going,
otherwise we might not see you for a couple of days,
but we will definitely see you tomorrow at nine am Eastern.
Speaker 2: We appreciate you guys tuning in.
Speaker 1: Rob I just like Russell Dex comming out of the
corner of my eyes, like you're lucky they didn't beat
the hell out of you at that watch party.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's why I was silent. I was just
over there.
Speaker 1: I had my I had wager talk gear on because
I was there doing some stuff, so I was I
was not outward you know, I didn't want to get
thrown through a table.
Speaker 2: I wasn't outwardly cheering. I was just like, very quietly.
Speaker 3: Yet I will say tonight, the Steelers are playing the Bengals,
and my buddy, my good buddy, Marco D'Angelo invited me
to a Steelers bar. He told me if I wore
my Browns Chubb jersey, you would buy my dinner. He goes,
it's worth seeing you to get your ass kicks. So
that's that's my friend, Marco D'Angelo.
Speaker 2: People can't comprehend North.
Speaker 1: Listen, it's kind of miserable living in the Northeast for
like some of the year, most of the year, so
it's like all we've got, like you don't get this
in you don't get this type of like anger about
sports in like let's say San Diego or you know,
La or Arizona or Miami, Like there's other stuff to
do there. We end up sitting here half the time.
There's four feet of snow. It's miserable and cold. So
like the Northeast, that's all we got. So we like
so yeah, you might get you know, someone in Buffalo
absolutely miserable.
Speaker 2: The place to be a lot of the year, someone's
gonna be up. Yeah, you come in talking about the bills,
They're gonna get pissed off.
Speaker 1: That's how it works in the Northeast, and certainly in Cleveland.
Cleveland is very much in that, uh, the whole.
Speaker 3: Rust belt area of Baltimore, Cleveland, Pittsburgh. Yeah, when you're
when you're running an opposed in Jersey, you better keep
your mouth shut. That's all I gotta say.
Speaker 1: All right, I got it, all right, let's uh, let's
wrap it up here. We will see you guys tomorrow
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