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Really appreciate you listening. Before I bring on tonight's guest,

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because you hear a guest come on the show and

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share opinions about dog men. Maybe they're a researcher, free example,

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their opinions aren't necessarily the opinions of the show of me.

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for guests to come on, and especially if they're a

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researcher and they want to put out opinions about dog men,

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they've got all the right to do that. But yeah,

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please don't take them to task because they say something

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about dog men that you don't agree with. I mean,

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we all have our opinions about things, and that's only fair.

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But enough on that. Let's move forward to tonight's show.

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Tonight's guest is Harlan. Harlan, Welcome to the show. Hey, Vick,

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Well I'm doing better than I deserve. How about yourself?

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Speaker 1: Not too bad? Not too bad?

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Speaker 3: Complaining as long.

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Speaker 2: As you can say that, that's a great thing. It

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definitely is. Harlan, Please give us a brief bio on yourself.

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Speaker 1: Oh I see here. I am fifty six. I live

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in Houston from Texas in a remodeled train depot. I

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am artistic and I'm working on a collection right now

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called a Disaster Pieces. I am a just placed Qustom

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picture framer and looking for a new new career. But

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other than that, I just kind of go along with life,

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you know, and try to enjoy my days.

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Speaker 2: So well, yeah, that's all you can do. It really is.

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And if you're living in a remodeled train depot, I'm

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sure not all remodeled train depots have I guess inhabitants

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quote unquote inhabitants that come along with them. But of

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all the places you could live, I think that's probably

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a lot more likely to have ghosts that come with

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it than other places. Is that the case with yours?

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Speaker 1: You know, there's something here, I mean always here, like bangs,

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you know, weird like things in the kitchen, and there's yeah,

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no reason for it. Like I've had several friends they

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show up, They're like, there's somebody here, There's somebody here.

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Speaker 3: I'm like here, so I think there's something here. Allegedly

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there was a.

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Speaker 1: Living in like nineteen thirty five of a poor young

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woman around my little you know area. So I don't know, well,

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you know, who knows, who knows? That's the story, though

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mafia involved.

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Speaker 2: Well, it'd be one thing if that was the only

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experience you had along those lines, But unfortunately that's not

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the case. From what I understand, some time ago, you

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woke up to a very nasty surprise at the foot

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of your bed. Please talk us through that. That's intense. Wow.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, that was New Orleans. That would have been

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a two thousand and seventeen. I was, Yeah, I was

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laying there in my bed and noticed a tall, very

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like seven foot tall thing just kind of standing at

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the end of my bed back to me, looking at

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the TV, at the TV on, and I could see

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it like, you know shift, you know, underneath its brown

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cloak kind of looked like the Grim Reaper or something

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like that had a hood. I was like, what am

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I looking at? As you know, so I sat there

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for a minute. I'm like, this is not right. You know.

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I had a friend there, you know, with me too,

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and I was like, nope. I stepped out unebenounced Jim,

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and to go smoke a cigarette.

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Speaker 3: Came back and he was like, oh, oh you know

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that way.

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Speaker 1: He was like, I thought you went down this way

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down in the hall because I kept hearing noises down there.

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I was like, you hear noises down there. He's like yeah,

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he's like, by the way, I saw your ghost. I

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was like, oh, really, not the one he was talking about. Though,

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as I explained it, he's like, oh, my son's ficktall

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w brown, you know, brown cloak and hoodie, and he's

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like a SAT's face, you know. When I see its face,

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I'm like, oh, that's not my ghost. I don't know

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Speaker 3: Because there was a grou like I lived in the house.

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horseshoe shape, and there was a great room, and in

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the great room the ex owner's husband dead husband I

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liked to, you know, crawl around edited the kitchens and

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scare me the hell out of me when I was

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in the bathroom flop. Sorry, but Yeah, it was a

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very interesting time, and I was very happy to get

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Speaker 1: But I just got you know, as soon as I

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got out of Orleans, I was just happy, except then,

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but yeah, you know, look ad you.

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a strange place. A lot of freaky things go on there.

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a lot of paranormal things happen. So yeah, it's far

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from being a situation where it's just you. What other

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kind of paranormal experiences have you've had? Have you had?

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I know you've had your fear of share of them.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's see here. When I grew up in Colorado,

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Northern Colorado, the Love and Four Colins area, and I

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moved back in two thousand and two, and then I

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got into social work, and then I was given a

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you know, a person that I was working for an

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agency that we took care of developments disabled adults. And

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so I was you know, given a word to you know,

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take care of and you know, lived with me. Here's

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high needs because of his behaviors. He was elderly, so

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he was twenty four to seven. You know, supervision couldn't

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be on my side or whatever. But the only time

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that I really had to myself is at night. And

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so at night, you know, it's like it was a beautiful,

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a picturesque. I was like, we're on the edge for

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a Collins like to the you know west of me

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was you know fields and you know tree line and

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the gout you know, a horse troops reservoir. It was beautiful.

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So at night, you know, I'd be outside all the time,

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especially during the summer, you know, just get some respite

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for me away from him. And so then I just

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started paying attention. I always pay attention to the sky.

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I always have always well started noticing you know, the

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depth vufos are prevalent and that are I listen, will

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have to say it's a hotbed, and uh yeah it was.

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That was crazy. But then that aside I mean, that's

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that's a whole other story. I started noticing this is

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in two thousand and four, to the west of me,

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down in the tree line. It was a tall one

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hundred for tall trees. It was gorgeous in wintertime. I

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noticed this little orange light, you know, like just in

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the trees. I thought it was somebody with like a

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flash flight. I've never seen an orange flashlight, so I

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was like, well, maybe somebody's coon hunting. But then again,

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so I don't know who I thought that, but so

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in my mind. Then one night, I there was a

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little place well road that I would go to where

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I could open up my sun roof and there was

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no light pollution and I could just like lean back

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and check out the milky way. So I'm sitting there

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one night and it was a one day road coming

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down a hill and there's two houses, and at the

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top of the hill, I noticed a little blue light

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and I'm like, okay, must be your nighttime cyclist. It's Colorado.

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People are healthy out there. And then I was like

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I kept paying attention. I was like there's no head

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attached to that light, you know. I was like, what

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Speaker 3: It's just kind of floating in there.

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Speaker 1: So I got out of my car, walked towards it

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started backing away from me. Okay, now what is that?

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 1: I was really intrigued. And it's this phenomenon they called

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the Goat Hill ghost lights, and apparently they've been recorded

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since the late eighteen nineties, Like there's a report gazette

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or something like this, some really small town. But they

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started publishing articles on it, and I was told about

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this by a friend. I actually tried to do some

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research on it and couldn't find anything, which couldn't surprise me.

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But once you see one, then you see all, and

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it just didn't stop. They're fascinating, absolutely fascinating. They were.

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My opinion is they're like these little plasma based sending

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in conscious balls of light. I mean, it's the only

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way that I could describe it. I had hundreds of them,

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and it got to the point where it's like I

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would I'd go to this field, the slope on the

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field just right to the west of my house and

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lay there in summertime. Very few bugs just lay in

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the grass and you know, look up the stars, and

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it's like they noticed me. I noticed them, or they

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noticed me noticing them pretty much, and then they would

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get they would come a little closer closer. There was orange.

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ball sized orange, and they kind of like did this

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little like wabble, a little wabble when they're in the sky,

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just sitting there, but they kind of like bounce along

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the ground kind of like look like they're foraging. But

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I wouldn't know what for, just very slow and just

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couldn't get meandering. But it got to the point where

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they became used to me or very docile or something.

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I would I would go for a bike right down

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this road it was that they lived on. It was

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exactly a mile from my house to the end of

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the road. You got CSU forestry down there, which comes

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into the late later in history here. And you know,

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so it's like I could I could you know, mark

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my miles, you know, by haven't many times I go

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back and forth, and so you know, I literally, you know,

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stopped at the corner across the street from my house

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and there's two little you know lights in the field.

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a little like one inch and I'm like twenty feet

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away from them, and they're just you know, going about

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their business, and I'm like, well, this is really cool.

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by when it was the size of the basketball. It

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was a very very interesting time in my life. Shall

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we say that it was solitary just because of my

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job and the requirements and these things kind of became

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like my surrogate friends. I don't know, it was just

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the most bizarre thing ever. You know, I actually missed them.

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check it out, you know. But they're absolutely fascinating. And

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I've heard other people with the same stories and you know,

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of of these things and they're out there. I don't

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know what you think of them, but I'm happy they're

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out there because they, you know, kept me from going insane,

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you know, through that six years of you know, being

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on you know, isolated with you know, the first notion

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of care of because of just beavers. So yeah, yeah,

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but they're really really cool.

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Speaker 2: Never a dull moment. I'm sure it's not lost on you.

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tell you that these things, paranormal things just seem to

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be drawn to certain people. And guess what, I'd say,

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I'd say you're a magnet for all this sort of thing.

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about your paranormal experiences. But let's get down to brass tax. Now.

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Please tell us about your dog me and the encounters.

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Give us every last detail that comes to mind.

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Speaker 1: All right. So it was during the same period, this

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like I said, there was this road, you know, just

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watch to the west of my house. That night I would,

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rested for myself. And there was a there was a creek,

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there's a tree line a creek, and then this little

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bridge that I would sit on and just kind of

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you know, sit there, you know, look at the creek,

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stars whatever. So one night I'm sitting there and I

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hear the faint tick of nails, you know, coming up

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the street from the west, and I'm like okay, sun

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for a leaks, it's got to be a dog, you know,

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and closer and closer, and then here it comes and

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I'm sitting on the bridge and I'm like, that's what

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I'm looking at. The biggest dog I've ever seen. It

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was tall. It was tall.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't like body big.

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Speaker 1: I mean it was built kind of like I would

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have to say, like a great gain or greyhound, looked toned.

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Speaker 3: But it was like four four and a half foot tall.

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I say, probably the shoulder.

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Speaker 1: I mean I was sitting there and it was like

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on this you know, little bridge, and it was it

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was almost eye level to me, but four and a

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half there tall, And I'm like, what am I looking at?

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So so it comes up, click click, click, and it

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stops and it's five foot away from me, and I'm like,

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I don't know what. I'm just like flabby acid. And

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so it turns and looks at me and just, you know,

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sits there for a few seconds, and I'm like, what

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do I do? What do I do? What I do?

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So I'm like, skit, skit, you know, and so it

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just you know, turns its head and then saunters on

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down the road to the corner, makes a left and

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just walks off. I mean, you know, no big deal.

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I mean he's just out for a stroll. And so

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that was the first time. Second time it was pretty

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much the same Scenarho. I'm sitting in the same place

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and here or here the click click click, and I'm like,

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oh god, no, I don't want to see that thing,

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you know. I was like, what it is, and there's

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going be nobody download the dog that big because there's

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not a dog that big.

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Speaker 3: I mean that tall. I've never seen dog that tall.

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Speaker 1: That's the shoulder. So I'm sitting there, here comes and

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it's okay. So description would be like I said, like

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gree hundred great day in thin.

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Speaker 3: Very short hair.

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Speaker 1: I mean it not shaggy, not no man, no nothing,

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very short hair all over. I could tell it was

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like a dark gray. I could tell that much because

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of the moonlight. So Sunker's up, you know, just I mean,

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it's just me and it's just no carring World just

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says the same thing, just kind of stops, looked over

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at me, and I didn't do anything this time. I

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just kind of sat there. I was quiet, and I

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just looked back, you know. And then just went about

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his business, you know, started down the road amaze right,

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and then went down you know, people went down the

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road and I'm like, what is that thing? I mean, yeah,

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I wasn't. I wasn't threaded by it or anything like that.

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It was it was just shocking just because of the

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sheer height, you know, That's what That's what I was like,

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not too fond of. So fast forward. So those two

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incidents has happened about six months between each other, and

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then probably about I don't know a year or so.

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I'm again down the road because I mean that's that's

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what my thing was, you know, that that time, you know,

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to find some personal time. So I'm down okay. So,

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like I said, CSU Forestry has a research center down there,

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and they have this fence around the property that I

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started to question because it is it's overkill.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely overkill.

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Speaker 1: I mean I was looking at it one night, this

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is a night and then question. So I'm looking at

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the fence and I'm like what is this. I mean,

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it's it's like twelve foot tall. It's like three layers

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of reinforced you know, like wire. I mean like you

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really have to have like a pretty heavy duty bolt

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cutter just to like snap through it. Then on topics,

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I think it even has like an angle, you know,

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like an angled part, you know, like trying to keep

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people inner people out or whatever they're trying to keep

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in or out. But I'm sitting there like checking this

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fence out and then sudden catches my eye and I

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looked down ground level and about okay, So then the

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only light in the area was from an abandoned airstrip

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that was behind me. There was a building and they

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had one fleasn't light on it, and so that's the

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only light. So I'm looking in this field about twenty

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twenty five feet in past the fence, and I see

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two sets of eyes looking back at me. And it

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was strange because you know, it's like you hear a

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dog man and the amber glow, you know, and it's

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like I didn't even hear a dog man. I mean,

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I didn't know about jog man until like ten years

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later after this. There was no amber glow. And the

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weird thing was like it was the entirety of the eye,

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the whites, you know, everything was reflecting a light aqua

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blue color and they're both and it's like I'm sitting.

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I'm like looking at these four. Okay, so I'm looking

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at these four like aqua blue lights, you know. I fee,

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so what are you trying to fight? Feet away from me?

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And then they start blinking and I'm like, oh, come

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on now, you know, and I could tell it was

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like like kind of dog like I don't know, they

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were definitely laying down if their heads were kind of tilting,

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you know, like a dog would you kind of looking

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at me, you know, looking over at me and blinking

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And I mean nothing got up, you know, like cha

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Stafferman whatever. But it was still like enough of a shock.

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I mean, the eyes were about eight inches apart. It

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so not so I'm like, you know, seeing it, I'm

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like putting all of it together, and I'm like, oh, well,

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perhaps this is what I have been seeing, you know,

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coming down the street. I was like that would make sense.

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And why. I'm like, is this fence here because of them?

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I mean, what's going on? What are they doing? We

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do it? You know?

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Speaker 3: So so I went home.

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Speaker 1: I was like, I'm not even gonna, you know, try

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to figure this out tonight. And then I the last

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time I saw.

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Speaker 3: It, it was the same.

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Speaker 1: Except this time as far as okay, as far as

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like me sitting on the little bridge, same thing happened.

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Click click CLICKI look like here it comes, you know,

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but this time there was a police officer sitting, uh

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probably a cop par with two police officers, and they

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were sitting about seventy eighty feet away from me, like

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on the other side of the street. So they were

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pointing west and because the dog was walking to the

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east and did the same thing, just kind of like

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walked up, you know, stop.

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Speaker 3: Looked over at me.

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Speaker 1: I was like, okay, we've been to this before, and

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then you know, started walking off. But the funny thing

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was the the reaction that I was watching the faces

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on these these two police officers. It was priceless. I

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mean I just started laughing. I mean internally, you know,

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you don't want to see cops. You know, you don't

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to do cops. You laughing at them. But they didn't

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know what the thing was as tall as the car,

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you know, and and they're looking at it, and I

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could tell her like their their mouths were open. There

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was just like just like what you know, and it's

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just like I said, sauntered off, turned right, and obviously

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it had something to do down down a one trail.

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You know, it had something to go on there that

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was very important because obviously that's where I like to go.

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So I don't know if like, you know, it dug

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out from underneath this fence because that's obviously where it's

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little home was, you know. But it was so interesting

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and it's like I kind of like, you know, stored

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those memories, you know, back in my mind and then

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I started listening to you two years ago or something

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like that, and here come those memories. As far as like,

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well wait a minute, I mean, but it makes no

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sense because it's nothing like I've been listening to you know,

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and I was like, so what did I see? Yeah,

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and I'm still questioning it. It's just it's I don't know,

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it's just unlike unlike anything. So but you know, it's

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one of those things where I'm happy that I had

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the experience. It was non threatening. I mean, it was

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most it was. It was comical because I mean it

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was so laid back. You know, I didn't it didn't growl,

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I didn't do anything. It's kind of like you know,

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looked over ohhay, you know, and then sunkered off. You know.

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So I'm very happy that I know that things like

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that are out there. And more than that, I mean,

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you know, when I was sixteen, I saw Bigfoot for

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alling over a guard rail on gard late, you know,

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so I knew things were out there at a young age,

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you know. And yes, folks, it's real.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you did get an early start, you really did.

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I should have asked you this when we had our

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first conversation, but for whatever reason, I didn't. Before you

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had that first dog Man encounter in twenty oh seven. Yeah,

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obviously already had multiple peer normal experiences. But did you

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believe in existence of cryptids like dog men or or

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had you not heard about dog men before that?

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Speaker 1: Well, I had never heard about dog Man. I heard

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about dog Man from from another channel, and he's based

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in New Orleans and I was living in New Orleans

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at the time, and that's where I became fascinated, absolutely fascinate.

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I couldn't, like, you know, get enough you know about

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dog Man. But as far as so when I was

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a kid, I was absolutely fascinated with Bigfoot. The first time.

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I remember, the first show that I had watched on

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it was more of like a you know, docu drama

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kind of thing, you know, where it can be like

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sneaking up to nold woman like you know, doing her dishes,

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you know, peeking.

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Speaker 3: In the window, that kind of thing.

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Speaker 1: And it's just, you know, I always have dreams about it.

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It was just crazy, and so you know, inside, you know,

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I always believed that, you know, I think the possibility

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you know of you know, things like that existing existing.

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You know, I, you know, gave it at least you know,

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that much credit. But when it became like obvious to

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me that there was something there, but I didn't put

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I couldn't put my finger on what I had seen

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when I was sixteen, a herd of lake until just

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a few years ago. So what happened was my friend

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Shelley B and I. I had a big blue Camaro

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at the time, and it was fun to drive and

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you know, and so I picked her up. It was

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like twelve o'clock or something, and so we went cruising,

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you know, like into the foothills and Carter Lake as

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above Loveland, Colorado, and it's got two dams.

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Speaker 3: And if anybody can.

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Speaker 1: Like you know, know what a dam looks like. I

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got water on one side and you got the retaining

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wall on the other and you know, it's like you're

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talking to the retaining wall. It's gonna be like giant

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boulders and you know, earth and stuff like that. Like

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seventy deary angle. Not very friendly for foot traffic, you know,

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for for humans or anything. Really, you'd really have to

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want to get up that embankment to you know, touch

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a new fond. So we're krygy. We were crossing the

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second dam and about seventy feet away from the end

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of the guard rail, so the water is on the

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left or on the right of us, the embankment is

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on the left and there's the guard rail, and so

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about fifty feet before we passed to the end of

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the guardrail, something comes over the guard rail and I'm

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sitting there, I'm thinking, what is a sheep dog doing

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up here at this time of night?

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Speaker 3: Because it was the size of a sheep dog.

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Speaker 1: And if anybody doesn't know what a sheep dog is,

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it is a big dog. That is Harry's so shaggy. Okay,

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that's a sheep dog. It's got long white and gray hair.

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And I'm yeah, So it's like it's coming over the

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guardrail and it's just a sheep dog, and then I

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don't know if we saw something that you know that

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I'm not remembering. But also it's like I'm looking over

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at Shelley, She's looking at me, and we're both like

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just kind of like face forward and we don't talk

469
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:25,720
for the rest of the ride to like drop her off,

470
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,440
and so this and like I said, it's like, you

471
00:27:29,519 --> 00:27:31,119
know somethings you take a memory, just put it in

472
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:32,680
the back of your head and you know it needs

473
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,559
to come up later. Will So this is only a

474
00:27:35,559 --> 00:27:39,079
couple of years ago. It popped up and I was like,

475
00:27:39,079 --> 00:27:42,160
wait a minute, there was no sheep dog. I mean,

476
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,359
I was like, what was I thinking? So I started,

477
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:48,680
like I started thinking about the incident, and it was

478
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,680
an arm. It was an arm that reached over it

479
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:56,359
grabbed underneath the guardrail and it was pulling itself up

480
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:57,640
and over the guardrail.

481
00:27:57,799 --> 00:27:59,079
Speaker 3: And it was gigantic.

482
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 1: I mean, like I said, I step dogs like five

483
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,160
foot water or something like that, you know, and this

484
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:09,799
but frightening, I mean, just the sheerest size of this thing,

485
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,440
you know. After I started thinking about it, I was like,

486
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:18,200
that was I'm so happy that we were passing it

487
00:28:18,279 --> 00:28:20,839
when we did, because if we were just like you know,

488
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:26,799
twenty seconds behind, you know, I mean it would have

489
00:28:26,839 --> 00:28:31,640
been completely different. Who knows, I with the arm like

490
00:28:31,759 --> 00:28:33,960
that size, I mean, it could have just you know,

491
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,440
squished us just with his arx blop give her in

492
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:37,839
a camara.

493
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 3: You know, there's nothing there.

494
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 1: So that kind of set things, you know in my head,

495
00:28:46,319 --> 00:28:49,920
you know that I guess there's you know, something out there.

496
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,680
But like I said, you know, I didn't really put

497
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,880
two and two together for years later, but I was new.

498
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,039
I always knew. I always you know, I always wanted,

499
00:28:58,559 --> 00:29:02,160
you know, there to be you know, something else besides

500
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,279
you know what we know, there's you know, it's a

501
00:29:04,319 --> 00:29:08,319
big world, and it's a very strange world, and you know,

502
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,799
to have cryptids, you know, in here with us. I

503
00:29:11,799 --> 00:29:13,559
think it just adds a little color, you know, it

504
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:17,279
just makes it more of a Motley crue, but.

505
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 2: Adds a little color. I'd say it does add some

506
00:29:21,079 --> 00:29:25,240
color to life in general. You've had an exciting life.

507
00:29:26,839 --> 00:29:29,359
It really makes you wonder that what's next. I mean,

508
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,559
after having all these experiences, you're only fifty six, You've

509
00:29:33,559 --> 00:29:36,000
got a lot of years ahead of you. Who knows,

510
00:29:36,039 --> 00:29:40,119
you might have another sasquatch experience might check off another

511
00:29:40,279 --> 00:29:43,359
box on dog me and encounters as well. And as

512
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,240
far as the peer normal goes, that's a throw up.

513
00:29:46,279 --> 00:29:49,680
Who knows what's next on that in that category.

514
00:29:50,799 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: That's the truth. I have no idea. You know. It's like,

515
00:29:53,720 --> 00:30:01,079
so Houston is a very close approximatey proximity to sam

516
00:30:01,119 --> 00:30:06,559
Houston National Forest, which is notorious for having bigfoot encounters.

517
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,559
Speaker 3: But these are not the nice bigfoot.

518
00:30:08,599 --> 00:30:10,039
Speaker 1: These are the ones that you're going to like, you know,

519
00:30:10,079 --> 00:30:11,880
tear up your camp and you're not going to be

520
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,599
seen ever again. And this has happened. I mean there's

521
00:30:14,599 --> 00:30:17,279
been There was a really bad incident a few years

522
00:30:17,319 --> 00:30:19,880
ago when this camp was destroyed that people have never seen,

523
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,559
you know. So I thought like, maybe I want to

524
00:30:22,599 --> 00:30:27,279
go like exploring and you know, see what I can see,

525
00:30:27,359 --> 00:30:32,279
and I have decided against that after listening to your show.

526
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:37,119
It's like, so, you know, I've been a cyclist all

527
00:30:37,119 --> 00:30:39,039
my life and at night, you know, it's the best

528
00:30:39,079 --> 00:30:40,880
time to go in Houston because you're not said with

529
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,000
obviously the sun and the heat of the day. So yeah,

530
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,880
I'll take off for you know an hour, two, three,

531
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,240
four five at a time, just depending on like, you know,

532
00:30:49,279 --> 00:30:53,400
how much I want to stay out there, and I

533
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:58,839
get into some really desolate areas. I mean, you know,

534
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,079
it's like he's just a city, you know, but you know,

535
00:31:01,079 --> 00:31:03,759
we still have a lot of greenway and uh, you

536
00:31:03,759 --> 00:31:06,279
know love places are just you know, completely dark and

537
00:31:06,319 --> 00:31:10,519
there's just nobody around for quite a while. And you

538
00:31:10,519 --> 00:31:12,440
know if you're just out on a trail like PI

539
00:31:12,519 --> 00:31:14,240
Trail or something, you know. So it's like, I mean

540
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,960
I've been in situations where, you know, thinking about it now,

541
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,160
I'm like, you know, what what what what was I thinking?

542
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 3: You know, at you know, two o'clock in the morning,

543
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:22,839
you know.

544
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: Here, I'm like, you know, just like just sitting and

545
00:31:25,759 --> 00:31:28,039
you know, checking out the stars, you know, on some

546
00:31:28,079 --> 00:31:31,240
deserted you know, bike trail, and it's like, what could

547
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:32,160
have walked up on me?

548
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 3: And that's what my thoughts are now, what could walk

549
00:31:34,519 --> 00:31:34,920
up on me?

550
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: You know. That's so it's like I've actually been more vigilant,

551
00:31:41,839 --> 00:31:48,039
started paying attention to you know, what could be out there,

552
00:31:48,559 --> 00:31:51,279
just a little late, a little bit of humor. So

553
00:31:51,359 --> 00:31:53,960
I do want to go to the dollar store and

554
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,839
get like a big yellow piece of paper, big marker,

555
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,519
and I want to put up a dog man crossing

556
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,279
sign on the bike trail just because I think people

557
00:32:03,319 --> 00:32:06,880
should know that it's possibly there. I mean, you know,

558
00:32:07,079 --> 00:32:09,799
it's it was just the perfect areas.

559
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 3: It's the perfect your habitat for them.

560
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 1: You've got to buy you, you know, You've got you know,

561
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,039
just plenty of you know, space around to buy you.

562
00:32:18,599 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 3: So I don't know.

563
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,599
Speaker 1: But as far as you know, like the you know, UFOs,

564
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,880
those are there's a commonplace if you know what to

565
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:27,920
look for, you can find them. And I'm not talking

566
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:29,559
aliens or anything like that. I'm just saying, you know,

567
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,119
light sits just you know, what is that seriously? You know,

568
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:37,880
come on people, you know, But I don't know as

569
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:39,839
far Okay, So yeah, as far as you know it

570
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,000
goes to stuff goes, don't bother me. But you know,

571
00:32:42,039 --> 00:32:45,519
when it's a seven foot tall relative of the Grim

572
00:32:45,559 --> 00:32:47,960
Reaper standing at the end of your bed, I'm going

573
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,759
to move on from that, you know. And and I'm

574
00:32:50,759 --> 00:32:52,599
not gonna, like, you know, sit in the postcard letting

575
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:57,720
in where I went. So yeah, that's about it.

576
00:32:57,839 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 2: Vick. I can't say blame you for not wanting to

577
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:06,599
revisit that at all. I don't blame you. You've had four opportunities,

578
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:10,680
Harlan to watch that dog man move with that in mind.

579
00:33:11,039 --> 00:33:14,160
Did you ever notice any jerky movements or was it

580
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:15,759
smooth and how it moved?

581
00:33:16,359 --> 00:33:20,559
Speaker 1: It was smooth. It was it walked kind of strange

582
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:24,319
and that's what I noticed when it was, you know,

583
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:29,799
you know, coming up the road. It was like its

584
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,279
front legs were a little bit longer than its back

585
00:33:32,359 --> 00:33:34,559
legs or something. It was. It was just odd. It

586
00:33:34,599 --> 00:33:37,960
was bizarre. But yeah, but it was smooth. I mean

587
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,240
it was you know, and it's the side of a pony.

588
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 3: And you know kind of like walked like one.

589
00:33:43,319 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 1: I mean it was. It was very graceful. I mean

590
00:33:44,759 --> 00:33:47,400
as far as you know, didn't like stumble or you know,

591
00:33:47,519 --> 00:33:49,960
it was a jerky or anything. It was just you know,

592
00:33:50,079 --> 00:33:56,160
very yeah, very smooth. I I wouldn't mind seeing one

593
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,519
of those, just I I'd like to see again, just

594
00:33:58,519 --> 00:34:01,039
just do like get a better observation of it thing.

595
00:34:01,119 --> 00:34:03,839
I mean, I want to get back to that area

596
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:08,960
because it was five years of of wow, you know

597
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,920
every day, you know, and then my friend Derek, he'd

598
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,400
be with me and we'd be checking I mean, we'd

599
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,599
be seeing all of this stuff and it became so commonplace,

600
00:34:18,119 --> 00:34:18,719
you know to us.

601
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,280
Speaker 3: You know, we see like, you know, one of the

602
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:22,079
lights just.

603
00:34:22,039 --> 00:34:23,800
Speaker 1: Like like you know, coming down the road, like up

604
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,440
into a tree and then disappearing, and we'd be like, oh, yeah,

605
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,079
it's just one of those things again, you know. And

606
00:34:29,119 --> 00:34:32,199
it was I miss it, to tell you the truth,

607
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:37,440
I really missed that because it it added uh an

608
00:34:37,599 --> 00:34:39,880
error of like there was a mystery behind it. And

609
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:44,360
then like I said, it became kind of you know,

610
00:34:44,519 --> 00:34:47,639
like a like a surrogate, you know, not family, but

611
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,880
you know, friends or something like that on a very strange,

612
00:34:51,079 --> 00:34:54,440
strange level. Like fourth of July, I saw one bouncing

613
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,639
down the street in daytime. It was a little white

614
00:34:56,679 --> 00:34:59,880
one just bouncing down the street with the okay, so

615
00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:04,199
the tail on the thing it was electric. I mean

616
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,360
it's throw off the ground. It's just it's bouncing, but

617
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,360
it's bouncing on air. It is like the edge of

618
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,599
the tail is just like it looks sparking or something.

619
00:35:12,639 --> 00:35:15,280
Speaker 3: It's like the flick long. It's just you know, like

620
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:19,199
a little like bouncing light blizzard. I don't know, but.

621
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 1: Interesting. I would like to go back and check that

622
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:25,719
out again, though, you know.

623
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:29,639
Speaker 2: The real interesting you know, that's a good way to

624
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:33,320
sum it up. That building you told us, that facility

625
00:35:33,519 --> 00:35:37,039
that you told us about, though there are more things

626
00:35:37,039 --> 00:35:40,039
I want to ask you about that, such jazz. How

627
00:35:40,079 --> 00:35:43,440
would you describe that building now? Listening to you talk

628
00:35:43,519 --> 00:35:45,559
about it, it sounds like it's got a fence all

629
00:35:45,559 --> 00:35:48,320
the way around it. But does it look like just

630
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:52,880
someone assuming warehouse or a government facility? How would you

631
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:53,679
describe it?

632
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: Let me go into that. Okay, so if you're heading

633
00:35:58,079 --> 00:36:01,519
west down this road, the first thing on the right

634
00:36:01,559 --> 00:36:03,360
that you're going to run into, and it's about a

635
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,400
half mile down the road, is going to be that

636
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:09,840
abandoned airstrip, and there's one building there that's abandoned. It's

637
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:14,199
an old metal well hangar, and it's got one floors

638
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,119
of the light around when it's you know, like up

639
00:36:16,159 --> 00:36:22,199
in the top of gable. Then the fence starts right

640
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,159
about and there a little bit to the east of it,

641
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,440
and then if you follow the fence down there is

642
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:34,000
actually a research building that is i'd say another quarter

643
00:36:34,079 --> 00:36:37,920
mile away down the street from that, which is it's

644
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:39,840
a large building. You know, it's just the size of

645
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:43,000
a you know, a college campus building because it's it's

646
00:36:43,039 --> 00:36:46,760
just you know, that's where they're you know, research center is,

647
00:36:47,119 --> 00:36:50,239
but they grow trees back there or something, you know,

648
00:36:51,599 --> 00:36:56,119
for forestry. And so then there's that building. And then

649
00:36:56,159 --> 00:36:59,599
at the end of that road it dead ends into

650
00:37:00,559 --> 00:37:05,079
the one of the dams for horse Trooth Reservoir. And

651
00:37:05,119 --> 00:37:08,760
then there's the water filter filtration plant down there too,

652
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:12,920
on the right hand side. But yeah, that that's it's

653
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,320
it's a really ugly building that CSU has down there

654
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:22,840
is for not pretty, but it's an interesting area. It's

655
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:24,599
I've seen other things, right, I want when it does.

656
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 2: Oh no, I understand it might be the best policy there.

657
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,320
Now this might be a silly question or sound like

658
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,480
a silly question, but do you remember which way the

659
00:37:35,559 --> 00:37:38,000
barbed wire on the top of that fence around that

660
00:37:38,039 --> 00:37:42,039
facility points? Does the point inwards or outwards? In other words,

661
00:37:42,039 --> 00:37:44,559
just to try to keep things in the facility or

662
00:37:44,639 --> 00:37:47,760
to try to keep people out of the facility.

663
00:37:48,119 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: I could, Okay, So the top of it, I don't think.

664
00:37:51,039 --> 00:37:52,760
I don't believe it was Barbara. Okay, So it was

665
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:54,880
troll foot tall. And I've seen about this the other

666
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,159
day I was like, you know, and I want I was,

667
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,880
I was going to, like, you know, just google the image,

668
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:05,320
but I believed that it was facing inward, so it

669
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,039
was it was more it was more of you know,

670
00:38:07,079 --> 00:38:10,360
the same you know, reinforced rebar or whatever, and I

671
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:15,400
believe it was it was facing inward. Yeah. So but

672
00:38:15,679 --> 00:38:17,480
there again, I mean, it's like, my you know, this

673
00:38:17,559 --> 00:38:19,880
is two thousand and seven. My recollection could be you know,

674
00:38:20,039 --> 00:38:22,880
completely wrong. And that's why I wanted to, like, you know,

675
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,400
let's get some clarification on it. Google you I forgot.

676
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:29,360
But it was just such such overkill to protict trees.

677
00:38:29,559 --> 00:38:32,599
I mean, I don't know of anybody who's gonna, like,

678
00:38:32,639 --> 00:38:33,920
you know, go in and like dig up a full

679
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:37,519
sized pine and walk off with it, you know. Bizarre.

680
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,840
I just thought it was bizarre. So I don't know what.

681
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 3: I don't know what's going on down there, but you know,

682
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:45,079
fas thrown I.

683
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,760
Speaker 2: Guess sounds like everything about that facility is bizarre. And

684
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,719
for anyone listening who doesn't know, if you have barbed

685
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,559
wire at the top of a fence and it's pointing inward,

686
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,920
well that's to keep things in. If it's pointing out

687
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,960
then obviously it's designed to keep people and then other

688
00:39:01,039 --> 00:39:04,639
things out, whatever that might be. So that's not to say, oh,

689
00:39:04,679 --> 00:39:06,599
he's got barbed wire on the top of that fence

690
00:39:06,599 --> 00:39:09,000
there at that facility, so they must have dog men

691
00:39:09,159 --> 00:39:12,480
shoulder to shoulder inside. No, we can't jump to that

692
00:39:12,559 --> 00:39:15,920
crazy conclusion. Maybe they do have quite a few dogmen

693
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,639
in there, but I mean that's just a leap. We

694
00:39:18,679 --> 00:39:21,920
don't know what's going on in that place. But if

695
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:25,079
it's a twelve foot fence, even for a government facility,

696
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:30,719
that is unusual, very unusual. Is it normal Did you

697
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:35,199
say it's normal chain link fence or is it no climb? Oh?

698
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:40,559
Speaker 1: No, I mean it's it's three layers of reinforced like

699
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:44,880
rebar fencing. That it's not chain link. It's it's you know,

700
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:49,519
it's where each of the links is welded, you know together.

701
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:55,719
So it's just very very reinforced. And that's why I

702
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,840
was like generally looking at it, like what is this that's fascinated,

703
00:39:59,079 --> 00:40:01,599
you know, it's like what is this place for? You know,

704
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,199
And then yeah, and then there's like sort of the

705
00:40:04,199 --> 00:40:07,519
dogs or whatever they were, and then you know, yeah,

706
00:40:07,519 --> 00:40:08,320
I lift it at that.

707
00:40:09,079 --> 00:40:12,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I understand now, I'm never going to say that

708
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,159
a twelve foot fence, even with barbed ware in the top,

709
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:16,760
is going to stop a dog. Mean the ones to

710
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:18,599
get out because they can jump right over that, of

711
00:40:18,639 --> 00:40:22,480
course they can. I'm seeing some comments in the live

712
00:40:22,639 --> 00:40:25,159
chat reflecting that, well, of course they can jump over

713
00:40:25,199 --> 00:40:27,800
a twelve foot fence. Those guys, they can jump like

714
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,840
it's going out of style. But we don't know what

715
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,320
else they might have in that facility. It's really hard

716
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:36,960
to say. So it does make you wonder what's going

717
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,559
on in there. Now. It could very easily be a

718
00:40:39,559 --> 00:40:43,760
facility where there's nothing extraordinary going on. I mean, that's

719
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,639
probably what's going on. Is probably a case where there's

720
00:40:47,679 --> 00:40:50,880
nothing extraordinary at all about that facility. But when you

721
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:52,920
see what you just told us about, it does make

722
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:56,960
you wonder, it really does. But having said all that there, Harlan,

723
00:40:57,599 --> 00:40:59,559
how sure are you that it was the same dog

724
00:40:59,639 --> 00:41:01,719
me in the saw each of the four times?

725
00:41:03,119 --> 00:41:07,679
Speaker 1: Oh? I mean, I think it was even like the same,

726
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,440
you know, the same animal. I mean, just just because

727
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:14,719
of how it behaved, you know, each time it was

728
00:41:16,119 --> 00:41:19,320
it was a little like personality, I guess, you know,

729
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,920
as far as it like stop, look over, you know,

730
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,199
and then look away and then walk off. And the way

731
00:41:25,199 --> 00:41:30,159
it sauntered, you know, was the same, very casual, very

732
00:41:30,159 --> 00:41:33,559
casual little beest. But yeah, it was definitely the same one.

733
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:37,760
It's like short, short hair, looking like a greyhound, you know,

734
00:41:38,079 --> 00:41:43,199
and face you know, even the hidden face was like

735
00:41:43,199 --> 00:41:46,599
I said, kind of great Danish greyhoundsh you know, non threttening,

736
00:41:47,159 --> 00:41:47,840
which was good.

737
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say he was casual, just taking in the sights.

738
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,840
It sounds like which that beats the pants off of

739
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,920
and trying to terrify you. And also another thing I

740
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,440
should touch on. I saw some comments in the live

741
00:42:00,559 --> 00:42:02,840
chat where people are saying, okay, as just a dog

742
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:06,719
that he saw sauntering up the road. Well, he also

743
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:10,440
told us that his best guess for a size would

744
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,400
be that this thing was right around fifty four inches

745
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:17,559
at the shoulders at the weathers. Even the biggest giant

746
00:42:17,639 --> 00:42:20,760
breed dog doesn't come anywhere close to being fifty four

747
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:24,920
inches at the shoulders. Nowhere close. I mean, most giant

748
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:28,360
breeds at the tallest coming around thirty thirty two inches

749
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,039
at the shoulders at the withers. Some get a little

750
00:42:31,079 --> 00:42:35,000
taller than that, but they don't touch fifty four, Like

751
00:42:35,039 --> 00:42:38,599
I said, So if you're trying to explain this a

752
00:42:38,599 --> 00:42:40,840
way as just being a big dog that's going for

753
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:44,679
a walk, we'll try again, because that's definitely not it.

754
00:42:45,519 --> 00:42:48,639
Now do you think the dog man was a pureanormal entity,

755
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,519
Harlan and that explains why he saw it four times

756
00:42:51,599 --> 00:42:54,760
in four different places, or do you think there's another

757
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:56,000
explanation for that?

758
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,320
Speaker 1: Oh? No, it was. It was as real as anything.

759
00:42:59,599 --> 00:43:01,599
You know, here's the click click click. You know, he

760
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:05,440
definitely needed a nail trim. But you know, no, it

761
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:06,599
was it was. It was real.

762
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 2: It was. It was as uh.

763
00:43:08,119 --> 00:43:11,159
Speaker 1: Real as I am, I guess, you know. But yeah,

764
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,440
that thing was tall. I mean, like I said, I

765
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:18,760
was sitting there and it was you know pretty much.

766
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,280
And then like when you know, I was walking to

767
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,440
the right hand side of that police car was as

768
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,800
tall as the car, you know, and uh, it was

769
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:30,400
just so bizarre, you know.

770
00:43:30,519 --> 00:43:32,800
Speaker 3: But like I said, it's just you.

771
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:34,079
Speaker 1: Know, there's no.

772
00:43:36,519 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 3: Similarity you know with you know, with these other.

773
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 1: You know beasts that have been described, you know, so

774
00:43:42,559 --> 00:43:44,360
I'm not sure if it's like you know, variation or

775
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,400
whatever it was, but it was real, and it was tall,

776
00:43:47,639 --> 00:43:51,719
and it was you know, just very casual. So happy

777
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,920
about that. I'm sure I wish it.

778
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 2: Luck Well, Yeah, that's awfully kind of you. Most I

779
00:44:00,079 --> 00:44:04,119
witnesses they don't have any any good feelings like that

780
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,480
towards the dogmen they see. So as long as you

781
00:44:07,519 --> 00:44:09,920
have those feelings, that means your encounters haven't been bad

782
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:13,639
at all, which is always a good thing. It really is. Now,

783
00:44:13,679 --> 00:44:16,760
you said that you don't think it's a pure normal being,

784
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:22,039
but that doesn't mean that it's not connected somehow. Your

785
00:44:22,079 --> 00:44:25,119
experiences with the dog men there aren't connected to the

786
00:44:25,199 --> 00:44:28,679
pure normal experiences you've had. Do you think they're totally

787
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,400
separate or do you think there's connection somehow.

788
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:38,039
Speaker 1: I don't know show that that thing I saw in

789
00:44:38,039 --> 00:44:42,480
New Orleans, I think it was, you know, because I

790
00:44:42,519 --> 00:44:44,280
had it was it was night time, so I had

791
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,920
like my my well French doors open in front and

792
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:49,639
then my back door open to get a breeze through.

793
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,119
So I think it was probably just like cruising by

794
00:44:52,159 --> 00:44:53,440
and like, hey, there's an open door, I'm going to

795
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,559
go in and see what's going on, you know, and

796
00:44:56,599 --> 00:44:58,079
it's just kind of like, you know, whiz didn't like

797
00:44:58,199 --> 00:45:00,400
check it out, But I don't know, you know. I

798
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:07,239
mean also New Orleans, I did meet somebody who who

799
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:14,920
was possessed by several things. But I don't know if yeah,

800
00:45:15,039 --> 00:45:17,639
I don't. It's just a great question. I mean, I

801
00:45:17,639 --> 00:45:22,480
don't think they're you know, related, But I mean, why

802
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,800
why have I seen these things? You know? Are they

803
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:26,440
drawing to me.

804
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,159
Speaker 3: Or or whatever?

805
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,679
Speaker 1: I don't know. I haven't really figured that out yet.

806
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:32,639
I think it's more of like you know, time and

807
00:45:32,679 --> 00:45:34,639
place or you know, I don't.

808
00:45:34,519 --> 00:45:40,639
Speaker 3: Believe coincidences, you know, but your guess is mine. No idea,

809
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:41,800
no idea.

810
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 1: But I'm happy that I have seen some of the

811
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:51,400
things that I have, although it has maybe somewhat unrelatable

812
00:45:52,679 --> 00:45:55,960
to other people because my experience have like they've they've

813
00:45:56,280 --> 00:46:00,199
been intense and while lasting, you know.

814
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:01,199
Speaker 3: I mean I was seeing.

815
00:46:01,039 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 1: Those those orbs in Colorado.

816
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 3: Yes, I guess, you know, like people also justs thriving

817
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:08,519
as orbs.

818
00:46:08,559 --> 00:46:11,760
Speaker 1: But some orbs are like more transparent that you see

819
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:16,800
in photography, and these were you know, these were semi transparent,

820
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:22,880
but completely different in those that they talk about. But

821
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:26,880
it's like, I mean, that experience lasted for five years,

822
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,840
you know of you know, seeing these things you know regularly,

823
00:46:30,079 --> 00:46:31,639
and I mean it's like, you know, one night, you know,

824
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:33,840
I went down to the slope where I you know,

825
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:35,360
laid on in the grass and check out the sky.

826
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:39,320
You know, here goes you know, ful above me. And

827
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,880
I look at my house and then there's you know,

828
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:45,119
like there's little orange you know, like ghost layer or whatever,

829
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,480
like you know by my besroom window. There's one down

830
00:46:47,519 --> 00:46:49,639
by the porch you know that. I turn around and

831
00:46:49,679 --> 00:46:51,440
there's a big one that's like, you know in this

832
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:55,639
why of this dead tree, you know, a basketball sized thing,

833
00:46:56,199 --> 00:46:59,840
you know, And I walk towards it, and it floats

834
00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:01,599
up up, you know, away from tree and up above

835
00:47:01,639 --> 00:47:04,920
my neighbor's trees across the streets, which were like eighty

836
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:08,159
feet tall, and then it cruises across the street and

837
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:11,719
stops above my neighbor's house. So walk over to my

838
00:47:12,119 --> 00:47:15,159
patio and I'm just standing or look at this thing. Yeah,

839
00:47:15,159 --> 00:47:19,239
I'm like, what are you you know, and it's just

840
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,559
sitting there, you know. I mean it's like, yeah, I'm

841
00:47:21,559 --> 00:47:24,440
not getting any like you know weird you know, might

842
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,800
hear anything like that from it? WHI should you believe in.

843
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:32,119
But nothing. I'm not getting anything from it, you know.

844
00:47:32,119 --> 00:47:34,039
Speaker 3: Other than hi, we're here.

845
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,559
Speaker 1: You know, we're here, and obviously we're not threatening you,

846
00:47:38,559 --> 00:47:40,679
you know, And it was it was more. It was

847
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:45,719
very benign, you know, verbanign. But I'm like I said,

848
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:50,760
I've become slightly unrelatable because you know, these things change you.

849
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,239
They put a different perspective, you know, on how you

850
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,679
look at things and what you can expect you know

851
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,159
or you know and what because expect anything?

852
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:03,159
Speaker 3: Really and I.

853
00:48:03,119 --> 00:48:05,559
Speaker 1: Do, oh yeah, I know them to do.

854
00:48:07,079 --> 00:48:11,760
Speaker 2: Experiences. Yeah, And you also said just a moment ago,

855
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,400
and I believe you when you said it. You said

856
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:18,039
that after having all those experiences, it became normal for you.

857
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:20,440
And like I said, I do believe you. After having

858
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:24,199
all those experiences, it probably did become normal. But I

859
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:27,039
can't even wrap my head around how it would be

860
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,880
to actually have that be normal, to have these kinds

861
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:33,119
of experiences. Again, I believe you and I understand it,

862
00:48:33,159 --> 00:48:35,679
but I just can't wrap my mind around all that.

863
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:41,599
But considering as many experiences as you've had, have you

864
00:48:41,599 --> 00:48:44,280
ever had any near death experiences?

865
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: No?

866
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 3: I have not.

867
00:48:50,079 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 1: My just go into this. My mom was fairly psychic.

868
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:59,199
When I was a kid, she didn't know what was

869
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:02,159
going on. She would she would predict death when when

870
00:49:02,199 --> 00:49:04,719
she was dreaming. That was the closest thing I guessed it,

871
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:06,360
like yeah, and she's I was the only one she

872
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:09,239
would confide in it, and it was freaky. She hated it,

873
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:11,480
you know, but you know she'd always dream of like

874
00:49:11,559 --> 00:49:15,000
the funeral or something like that, and within a month,

875
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:17,840
you know, we could expect, you know, like somebody to

876
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:22,000
drop off, and it always happened. She visited her best

877
00:49:22,039 --> 00:49:28,159
friend's funeral, like astray one night and her to her

878
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:31,280
my mom's friend's son cold to let her know that,

879
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:33,480
you know, she had passed. And my mom sat there

880
00:49:33,519 --> 00:49:37,320
and described the funeral to him and like flowers and everything.

881
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,280
Speaker 3: Layout She's like I was there, you know.

882
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:40,559
Speaker 1: He's like, how is this possible?

883
00:49:40,599 --> 00:49:43,639
Speaker 3: She's like, I don't know, I don't know how this happens.

884
00:49:43,679 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 1: It just does you know. So it was it was,

885
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:46,760
it was.

886
00:49:47,119 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 3: It was a curse on her. You know, nobody would

887
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:49,559
want that.

888
00:49:50,079 --> 00:49:53,519
Speaker 1: Nobody. But as far as no, I haven't had an

889
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:56,679
I mean I so you know, it's like I did

890
00:49:56,679 --> 00:50:00,960
have like a car accident when we in nineteen seventy

891
00:50:01,039 --> 00:50:02,960
nine where you know, we were almost all taken out.

892
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:05,840
Everyone had an amusement park and got broadsided by it

893
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,880
by somebody at a one hundred and six miles an

894
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,400
hour or something kind of like t bone, you know,

895
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,239
and uh, yeah, I don't know if that's you know,

896
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:21,679
like it's it was scary and we all got bumped around.

897
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:23,480
But I don't know if that has anything to do

898
00:50:23,559 --> 00:50:25,199
with it, because I don't know.

899
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:27,559
Speaker 3: There's there's you know, there's there's a lot.

900
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:29,320
Speaker 1: Of things that I questioned as far as like how

901
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:30,719
does this fit into anything?

902
00:50:31,079 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 3: But no, as far as the normalization of.

903
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 1: These things, you know, it it was totally it's like,

904
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:42,800
you know, my secret almost I don't know, you know,

905
00:50:44,559 --> 00:50:46,679
I still can't wrap my head around some of it.

906
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:51,480
You know. It's like like you know with the UFOs,

907
00:50:51,559 --> 00:50:54,639
I mean, once you see when you just can't stop

908
00:50:54,639 --> 00:50:56,679
seeing them, especially if you know what you're looking for,

909
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:59,679
and it's like it was absolutely insane. I mean I

910
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:02,159
thought that I was like, am I seeing this? Am

911
00:51:02,199 --> 00:51:04,679
I really seeing this? So I take photographs and yes,

912
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:11,519
there it is, you know, there is so yeah, it's

913
00:51:11,599 --> 00:51:14,039
it's very can be very confusing. If I try, if

914
00:51:14,079 --> 00:51:15,440
I try to think about it too much, and I

915
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:17,599
try not to, if I don't want to confuse myself.

916
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:20,719
I've got plenty of plenty of other things in my

917
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:25,360
life to do, so you know, otherwise I just move

918
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:29,079
on from it, you know. But I do miss the uh,

919
00:51:29,119 --> 00:51:33,360
those little or you know, ghost lights or whatever they are, because,

920
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:34,920
like I said, they did become very like you know,

921
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,639
jostyle and would not you know, just like you know,

922
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:44,960
just you know, fly off. So I don't know if

923
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:48,119
I've thought I've seen it. Like in Phoenix when I

924
00:51:48,119 --> 00:51:51,440
lived in Phoenix, there was a friend that I had

925
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,639
lived on a tree line and I was like standing

926
00:51:55,639 --> 00:51:59,119
on their patio one night, just just you know, looking,

927
00:51:59,159 --> 00:52:01,079
and I could swear that I saw, you know, like

928
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:03,800
you know, one of those like orange you know, orbs

929
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:06,440
or whatever. And so I went and I like asked them,

930
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:08,559
you know, I was like, have you seen anything? Like

931
00:52:08,559 --> 00:52:10,960
You're like, oh yeah, He's like, yay, we've Coctor's out here.

932
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:13,679
Oh that's that's pretty coolcause you should see those in Colorado,

933
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:17,400
you know. And so that was nice to kind of,

934
00:52:17,599 --> 00:52:20,360
you know, reassure myself that, Okay, you're not completely insane,

935
00:52:21,199 --> 00:52:21,559
you know.

936
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 3: So yeah, you know, I wish, you.

937
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 1: Know, I would I hope other people, you know, can

938
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:32,599
you know, find some you know some uh things like

939
00:52:32,639 --> 00:52:35,280
that to you know, on a regular basis, just go

940
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:38,719
to Colorado. Well all sorts of stuff up there.

941
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:42,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say there is so that you know. You

942
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,320
might already know this, but if you have a near

943
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:48,559
death experience, it does seem to open you up to things.

944
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:51,400
It thins the veil for you. It seems like where

945
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:55,719
you're more prone to see ghosts and have pure normal experiences,

946
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,119
and it seems to predispose you to having dogged me

947
00:52:58,159 --> 00:53:01,960
and encounters and also ask watching counters too. I'm not

948
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,559
sure if you knew that, but if you didn't, that

949
00:53:04,679 --> 00:53:06,159
definitely seems to be a pattern.

950
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:11,159
Speaker 1: It would make sense, you know, like after the car

951
00:53:11,199 --> 00:53:15,960
accident was brutal, and so when the paramedics showed up

952
00:53:16,039 --> 00:53:18,320
to you know, like you know, pull all of us,

953
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:20,760
you know, six of us out. I was just mangled,

954
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:24,159
you know, a piece of metal. They like they lighted

955
00:53:24,199 --> 00:53:26,079
people up like head to toe to the head, you know,

956
00:53:26,119 --> 00:53:28,039
like on the pavement and they start like you know,

957
00:53:28,079 --> 00:53:30,960
with the scissors and you know, taking everything off and

958
00:53:31,199 --> 00:53:32,880
I guess I was like laying next to my mom

959
00:53:33,159 --> 00:53:35,679
and she confided this in me years later, you know,

960
00:53:35,679 --> 00:53:37,400
but I like there, like mom were gonna die and

961
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:39,960
she's like why would we? And she was passed of

962
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:42,719
all that stuff, you know, So it was possible that,

963
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:47,280
I mean, you know, it was more to it that

964
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:50,880
I know, you know, but it was it was it

965
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:53,960
was intense, and it was like years to to to

966
00:53:54,159 --> 00:53:57,960
you know, heal from from those injuries. So you know,

967
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:04,239
perhaps there was more too, to the extent that I

968
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:07,719
don't know, you know, how could have affected me with

969
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:13,440
such subjects, you know. So that's how I that's the

970
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:14,199
only thing I can think of.

971
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:18,519
Speaker 2: Well, it might be playing a part somehow, some way.

972
00:54:18,679 --> 00:54:21,119
It's hard to say. There's so many things about how

973
00:54:21,159 --> 00:54:23,719
this crazy world works that we're never going to understand.

974
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:27,760
So maybe that is connected. It just might be. And

975
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:30,480
while we're on this theme, have you ever played with

976
00:54:30,559 --> 00:54:31,840
any Ouiji boards?

977
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: No?

978
00:54:34,599 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 2: Good?

979
00:54:36,679 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 1: No, I knew at a young age that was just

980
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:42,679
not a good thing, you know, So, no.

981
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:45,599
Speaker 2: That's really good. So many people play with these things

982
00:54:45,639 --> 00:54:48,159
that know better. It's one thing if you don't know

983
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:52,440
better and do it, But so many people know better

984
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:55,599
and they play with them. Still just don't understand that.

985
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:56,480
I really don't.

986
00:54:58,039 --> 00:55:03,519
Speaker 3: I agree, I absolutely agree, you know, just some bad decision.

987
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:07,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, it really doesn't make any sense. Well, let's get

988
00:55:07,599 --> 00:55:10,599
to some questions from the live chat now. If you

989
00:55:10,599 --> 00:55:12,760
have a question you want me to ask Harlan, please

990
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:15,880
type it in all caps. I've got one for you

991
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:19,639
from unreal estate agent seven seventy. He wants to know,

992
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:23,519
even when taking strides, did it seem to glide as

993
00:55:23,559 --> 00:55:24,159
if on air?

994
00:55:25,159 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 1: Yeah? It definitely. I mean it was very graceful, very

995
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:33,760
graceful glided. Yeah, but it was. It wasn't like it

996
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:35,400
was walking on air, but it was, you know, it

997
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:38,239
just you know, almost like it like you know, high

998
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:39,679
stepping pony or something.

999
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:39,880
Speaker 2: It was.

1000
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:41,679
Speaker 3: It was was graceful, definitely.

1001
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:46,360
Speaker 2: Man with long legs like that, I bet it was graceful.

1002
00:55:47,079 --> 00:55:50,320
It looks like Charles Dugo wants to know. Does Harlan

1003
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:51,719
remember the name of the road?

1004
00:55:53,039 --> 00:55:58,119
Speaker 1: I do. I'm not sure if I want to say it,

1005
00:55:58,199 --> 00:55:59,920
you know, just because I mean, it's it's it's such,

1006
00:56:00,199 --> 00:56:03,239
it's it's it's one of the most like recognis. I

1007
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:05,639
don't want to get anybody because it's like I used to, like,

1008
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:07,960
you know, it was on the corner right there, and

1009
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:11,079
I don't want anybody to bother anybody around there pretty much.

1010
00:56:12,679 --> 00:56:15,400
Speaker 3: But yes, I do, like you remember that the names

1011
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:16,199
of the roads.

1012
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 1: But I have probably given enough like info where you

1013
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:22,199
could you know, definitely find it out if you know.

1014
00:56:23,079 --> 00:56:27,159
But I don't want to, you know, endanger anybody make

1015
00:56:27,199 --> 00:56:29,880
suring the names.

1016
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 2: That does make good sense, I understand. I don't blame you.

1017
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:37,639
It looks like luman one O one wants to know

1018
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:41,880
Harlan did it look beautiful painting worthy? And then he

1019
00:56:42,039 --> 00:56:44,039
wants to know one to ten on a scale?

1020
00:56:45,079 --> 00:56:47,119
Speaker 1: Well, it was, I mean it was. It wasn't ugly.

1021
00:56:47,199 --> 00:56:50,239
Speaker 3: I mean it was like I said it was, it

1022
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:51,360
was very pretty.

1023
00:56:53,519 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 1: Very athletic, you know, looking thin whole talk. I mean yeah,

1024
00:57:01,039 --> 00:57:03,239
I mean you know it's definitely I mean, you know,

1025
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:05,360
and painting, I mean it would yeah, I mean he

1026
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:06,960
used to pink grayhounds all the time, you know, and

1027
00:57:07,079 --> 00:57:11,760
then you know the French paintings. But yeah, you know,

1028
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:13,960
i'd say, yes, he could definitely have some you know,

1029
00:57:14,039 --> 00:57:15,199
artistic my ability.

1030
00:57:17,159 --> 00:57:20,519
Speaker 2: No, I get it sounds like it did. It looks

1031
00:57:20,599 --> 00:57:24,679
like unreal estate agent wants to know. I guess this

1032
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:28,280
is just for clarity on his question. He wants to

1033
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:30,639
know if it was gliding like it was on ice

1034
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:31,920
or in a different way.

1035
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 1: No, No, it was just it was very graceful with

1036
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:39,559
how it walked, you know, like it's just like some

1037
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:43,400
even like with horses. You know, you've got you know,

1038
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:47,400
quarter horses that they have a different block than say,

1039
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:52,599
you know, like an Arabian or like I can't remember

1040
00:57:52,599 --> 00:57:56,840
the name of those those dancing horses. But it just

1041
00:57:56,920 --> 00:58:06,079
had a very natural, graceful walk, you know. That's all

1042
00:58:06,119 --> 00:58:08,000
I can really say. Seriously. I mean, it was just,

1043
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:09,800
you know, it was it.

1044
00:58:09,719 --> 00:58:11,199
Speaker 3: Was it was humorous because it was.

1045
00:58:11,119 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 1: So so just laid back and just too I'm just

1046
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:20,159
a dog out on walk, you know. So yeah, it

1047
00:58:20,199 --> 00:58:22,519
was it was just you know, it's just how it walked.

1048
00:58:25,079 --> 00:58:28,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really hard to describe how something was moving

1049
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:31,079
like that. I think you did a good job describing it,

1050
00:58:31,119 --> 00:58:33,159
but it's not easy to do at all, not by

1051
00:58:33,159 --> 00:58:38,119
a long shot. It looks like black Sheep wants to

1052
00:58:38,199 --> 00:58:40,079
know how many experiences you've had.

1053
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:45,719
Speaker 1: Oh geez, Okay, So in two thousand and five, I

1054
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:54,760
saw my first stratospheric mystery light at twelve o'clock midnight,

1055
00:58:55,079 --> 00:58:56,679
and then the next night I saw one again.

1056
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 3: That yeah, then I could not stop seeing them.

1057
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:05,559
Speaker 1: Hundreds of UFO sightings, no encounters, you don't need that,

1058
00:59:07,159 --> 00:59:12,360
but hundreds. I mean, it was just it was unreal.

1059
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:15,119
And then the orbits of me five years you know,

1060
00:59:15,159 --> 00:59:17,559
of watching those on a you know, nightly basis.

1061
00:59:19,239 --> 00:59:20,679
Speaker 3: This is all at the same time too.

1062
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:22,960
Speaker 1: You know, it's like I'm watching you know, the starts,

1063
00:59:23,039 --> 00:59:24,320
I'm watching the fields.

1064
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 2: You know.

1065
00:59:26,679 --> 00:59:28,639
Speaker 1: There was one night in particular it was very strange.

1066
00:59:30,079 --> 00:59:32,039
So across the street there was there was a pond

1067
00:59:32,199 --> 00:59:33,760
and I mean you were trying to call it like,

1068
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:35,480
you know, this summer there's like, you know, crickets and

1069
00:59:35,559 --> 00:59:38,039
brought this pond had so many frogs in.

1070
00:59:38,079 --> 00:59:40,199
Speaker 3: It was just like noisy, noisy, noise and noisy.

1071
00:59:40,559 --> 00:59:44,599
Speaker 1: So watched outside one night and it was completely quiet,

1072
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:48,960
not a sound at all, and it was eerie, and

1073
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:51,400
I was like, whooh, I don't like this, what's going on?

1074
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:55,679
You know? And then across the street to the north

1075
00:59:55,719 --> 00:59:58,280
of me, it was this bush and it started shaking

1076
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:01,960
and there was just like there was something behind the bush.

1077
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:05,760
Shaking the bush and I was like, nope, you know,

1078
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:07,679
I just walked back in. But I was like what

1079
01:00:08,119 --> 01:00:10,760
I was like, that was bizarre. I've never heard that since.

1080
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:13,599
And I've heard people talk about that, you know, and

1081
01:00:13,639 --> 01:00:17,320
it's it's it's very uncomfortable, you know, when you're not

1082
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:20,280
hearing you know, the nighttime creatures doing their you know,

1083
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:24,599
little thing, very uncomfortable and say something's wrong, you know.

1084
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:29,840
And yep, I've left it at that and went inside.

1085
01:00:30,239 --> 01:00:33,000
The best thing to do bush shaking.

1086
01:00:34,079 --> 01:00:37,199
Speaker 2: I can't say I'll blame you. It looks like Candy

1087
01:00:37,239 --> 01:00:40,679
Wolf wants to know if one has ever spoken with you.

1088
01:00:40,679 --> 01:00:43,079
Speaker 1: No, I've never got anything like that.

1089
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 3: The only you know, the only thing that I could

1090
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:47,480
you know, pick up, you.

1091
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:55,719
Speaker 1: Know, as far as just the non threatening behavior, you know,

1092
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:59,800
the docile very, you know, it's like.

1093
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 2: Just just.

1094
01:01:05,519 --> 01:01:08,920
Speaker 1: Just non threatening, you know all you know, all of

1095
01:01:09,039 --> 01:01:10,599
everything that I've had, you know, it's just more of

1096
01:01:10,639 --> 01:01:12,079
like an observation.

1097
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 3: You know, than than anything.

1098
01:01:16,079 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 1: And uh yeah, no, no thing's ever spoken to me,

1099
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:20,760
and I don't want them to.

1100
01:01:22,039 --> 01:01:25,519
Speaker 2: I can't say I'll blame you there. This next question,

1101
01:01:26,639 --> 01:01:28,400
you don't have to answer this. If you don't want to,

1102
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:30,480
and I'm pretty sure you're not gonna want to answer it.

1103
01:01:30,519 --> 01:01:33,360
But it looks like Kurt Schlichten wants to know where

1104
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:34,840
did you say this place? Was?

1105
01:01:35,199 --> 01:01:41,239
Speaker 1: Mean, No, it's Colorado. It's in Colorado. I mean all

1106
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:46,519
those experiences were Colorado. It's northern Colorado. But you know,

1107
01:01:46,679 --> 01:01:47,639
just let's just leave it at that.

1108
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:49,639
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, if you're.

1109
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 1: To listen to you know, you know what I should

1110
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:54,719
prior eating. Definitely if anybody is from that area, then

1111
01:01:54,719 --> 01:01:57,800
they know exactly what I'm talking about, you know exactly.

1112
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:00,440
But you know, I just don't want to go into

1113
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:03,039
any you know, into too much details. First, you know

1114
01:02:03,039 --> 01:02:07,039
where it is, because it's like it's a hotbed you

1115
01:02:07,079 --> 01:02:10,840
know for you know, UFO tech activity, and there's allegedly

1116
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:11,679
a base back there.

1117
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:13,599
Speaker 3: Never saw that.

1118
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 1: You don't think I have, but uh yeah, it's like,

1119
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:22,119
you know, I keep stopping and it was like yeah

1120
01:02:22,199 --> 01:02:24,599
because it's like my mother's like all this stuff that's

1121
01:02:24,639 --> 01:02:27,039
like flowing through my brain right now, you know, as

1122
01:02:27,039 --> 01:02:28,679
far as like you know, what I've seen and just

1123
01:02:28,719 --> 01:02:34,400
kind of like reliving some of it, and it's yeah,

1124
01:02:34,599 --> 01:02:38,400
makes it makes you feel like, you know, like you know,

1125
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:40,840
like you are just like because you're always quit and

1126
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:42,960
it's like questioning yourself is that you know it can

1127
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:45,800
be you know, such a such a just a problem

1128
01:02:46,159 --> 01:02:47,639
because you know that you really do, like you know,

1129
01:02:47,639 --> 01:02:49,639
throw yourself into like some meta psycho coaches. I'm like, oh,

1130
01:02:49,639 --> 01:02:52,079
I'm like absolutely insane, you know, But but I did

1131
01:02:52,119 --> 01:02:55,079
have you know, you know, several friends that would be

1132
01:02:55,159 --> 01:02:57,599
with me, you know, for for a lot of the stuff,

1133
01:02:58,239 --> 01:03:01,719
and you know, so that helps, you know, with knowing

1134
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:05,199
that it's not in my brain per se. You know,

1135
01:03:05,239 --> 01:03:07,599
it's like, yes, this is happening because I have you know,

1136
01:03:08,119 --> 01:03:12,639
it's just you know, but other eyewitnesses shut it's just

1137
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:16,239
it's just the weirdest stuff, you know, like what's going

1138
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:16,880
to be next.

1139
01:03:18,719 --> 01:03:21,039
Speaker 2: I don't blame you. It really does make you wonder that,

1140
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:24,000
and you've got every right to wonder that as well.

1141
01:03:24,599 --> 01:03:27,639
I've got another question for you from unreal estate agent

1142
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:30,519
seven seventy. They want to know do you know of

1143
01:03:30,599 --> 01:03:32,840
the history of the area as far as if old

1144
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:37,559
battlefields are there or graveyards someone else I can't remember who,

1145
01:03:37,639 --> 01:03:41,159
but they're wondering about Native American burial ground.

1146
01:03:41,239 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 1: Okay, I do I do.

1147
01:03:43,159 --> 01:03:44,440
Speaker 3: There's no battlefields.

1148
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:50,920
Speaker 1: There is an old graveyard, so goat Hill is it's

1149
01:03:51,000 --> 01:04:00,519
a hogback hill that is been north of me, probably

1150
01:04:00,559 --> 01:04:03,960
about a mile or something like that. And then between

1151
01:04:04,239 --> 01:04:06,519
it and me there was an old, very old cemetery

1152
01:04:06,559 --> 01:04:10,599
that was room to be extremely haunted. So yes, there

1153
01:04:10,639 --> 01:04:14,519
was a cemetery in the area, very small one though,

1154
01:04:14,679 --> 01:04:17,960
but I never went. It's like, you know, I did

1155
01:04:18,039 --> 01:04:20,519
stop one night and I you know, ventured to like

1156
01:04:20,559 --> 01:04:23,360
the edge of the fence, like you know, peek in

1157
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:25,320
and just kind of like, you know, check it out.

1158
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:27,159
Speaker 3: But I've got a creepy feeling from.

1159
01:04:27,039 --> 01:04:29,199
Speaker 1: That place, very creepy feeling, so I never went in,

1160
01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:31,320
you know. But yeah, there is a cemetery. There's as

1161
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:36,039
far as Native American, not that I know of. Yeah,

1162
01:04:35,599 --> 01:04:42,119
it's Colorados, you're talking frontier and I never heard of

1163
01:04:42,119 --> 01:04:44,480
any battles, you know, as far as anything like that.

1164
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:49,800
But yeah, definitely cemetery in the area.

1165
01:04:51,119 --> 01:04:54,360
Speaker 2: Huh. That might add to it. It could, Yeah, it's

1166
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:58,079
just might. Caleb Gates wants to know, did you feel

1167
01:04:58,079 --> 01:05:00,760
it penetrate you in your mind? They say it can

1168
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:03,599
do that, especially the canon type dog man.

1169
01:05:04,519 --> 01:05:09,360
Speaker 1: No, No, I mean I sat there and you know,

1170
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:11,079
I you know, it was looking at me.

1171
01:05:11,119 --> 01:05:12,039
Speaker 3: I was looking into it.

1172
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:17,440
Speaker 1: And that it's it's just you know, it turned and

1173
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:19,920
walked off. Although there was one night and I just

1174
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:24,599
remember this same bridge. You know, I'm a creature habit,

1175
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:31,039
and this one made me run though, because like I said,

1176
01:05:31,039 --> 01:05:32,880
it's on a tree line, so it was in you know,

1177
01:05:33,599 --> 01:05:36,360
it was in the shadows where this little bridge was,

1178
01:05:36,559 --> 01:05:38,039
but it was like on the roads so.

1179
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:39,960
Speaker 3: You can look up see the stars, put trees on

1180
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:43,159
both sides. So I'm sitting.

1181
01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:47,000
Speaker 1: There and I start hearing and we're talking pitch black

1182
01:05:47,079 --> 01:05:49,239
back in the trees, you know how it is. And

1183
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:54,039
I heard I hear something on two feet walking in

1184
01:05:54,079 --> 01:05:57,400
my general direction, like through the through the rubbish and

1185
01:05:57,440 --> 01:06:01,719
the leaves and everything. And I'm like, hope, nope, getting

1186
01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:04,719
back to the house, you know, chuck tail and run

1187
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:08,119
because that was not that was not anything that I

1188
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:13,159
would want to run into. No, that was I knew

1189
01:06:13,159 --> 01:06:16,320
that one would not be good. You know, there's nothing

1190
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:19,239
that's gonna be There's nobody that's gonna be walking back

1191
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:21,800
in these trees at that time of night, you know,

1192
01:06:22,079 --> 01:06:26,920
without a flashlight, you know, stomping through.

1193
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:29,400
Speaker 3: You know, the the.

1194
01:06:28,639 --> 01:06:33,320
Speaker 1: Brush, not even on a trail, just right out in

1195
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:36,159
the middle of the you know, of everything, bushes.

1196
01:06:35,719 --> 01:06:38,159
Speaker 3: And no, huh, So I don't know what that was

1197
01:06:38,239 --> 01:06:38,920
not yet.

1198
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:41,239
Speaker 2: You never know. Might have been a jack a little

1199
01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:42,000
back there.

1200
01:06:44,199 --> 01:06:46,960
Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's possible.

1201
01:06:47,079 --> 01:06:51,800
Speaker 2: You never know. It's hard to say. Looks like space

1202
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:56,039
Jerk thirty five wants to know, Hey, Vic Hi, Harlan, Harlan,

1203
01:06:56,119 --> 01:06:58,519
did you ever find any footprints? Thanks?

1204
01:06:58,679 --> 01:07:07,480
Speaker 1: No, nope, no nothing, nope, no foot pinch, nothing like that.

1205
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:09,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, with it being on the road like that, I

1206
01:07:09,639 --> 01:07:12,119
didn't think you would have found any. It looks like

1207
01:07:12,159 --> 01:07:15,239
Scott Baker wants to know what was it? Stride measurement.

1208
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:19,199
Speaker 1: Oh, let's see here. Okay, so the animal was probably

1209
01:07:19,239 --> 01:07:25,519
about six foot long five see here about five five five,

1210
01:07:25,559 --> 01:07:28,840
probably have five foot long and then about four and

1211
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:32,119
a half of the height stride would have been let's

1212
01:07:32,159 --> 01:07:38,920
see here, twenty like what probably about twenty four inches?

1213
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:41,800
I think, well, we'll see here.

1214
01:07:42,679 --> 01:07:46,400
Speaker 3: No, probably twenty I'd say about twenty inches.

1215
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:49,440
Speaker 1: I mean it was you know for the legs that

1216
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:51,920
I mean, it has some long legs on it. So

1217
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:54,639
however that would you know, factor in but you know,

1218
01:07:54,679 --> 01:07:57,400
I didn't really I didn't have a yardstick at the time,

1219
01:07:57,440 --> 01:07:59,199
so I didn't really sit down and figure it out.

1220
01:07:59,679 --> 01:07:59,880
You know.

1221
01:08:02,239 --> 01:08:06,920
Speaker 3: It's you know, it didn't it didn't walk lanky, you.

1222
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:10,639
Speaker 1: Know, like like so I don't know. I'd really have to,

1223
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:13,920
you know, say no, I don't know.

1224
01:08:14,639 --> 01:08:17,039
Speaker 2: Well, you can't be faulted for that. I mean, everything

1225
01:08:17,079 --> 01:08:19,479
that was going through your head all these times that

1226
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:21,960
you saw it. Yeah, I'm sure trying to figure out

1227
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:24,640
what its stride length was was really far down on

1228
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:28,000
the list. So it's a good question. But I don't

1229
01:08:28,039 --> 01:08:31,119
blame you really knowing, I really don't. I'm going to

1230
01:08:31,159 --> 01:08:33,640
ask you one more question. This is a good question

1231
01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:36,399
from the Loomi in one oh one. He wants to know,

1232
01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:39,239
do you know if the location was near any tribal

1233
01:08:39,359 --> 01:08:46,079
land Northern Colorado was traditional Second D's tribe territory.

1234
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:49,880
Speaker 1: That I mean, I will have to, you know, play

1235
01:08:50,079 --> 01:08:53,760
Kerans on that, because it's it's I don't I grew

1236
01:08:53,840 --> 01:08:55,600
up in the area. You know, It's like, this was

1237
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:58,399
only like twelve miles I think from where I literally

1238
01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:07,319
drew up. So the Namaqua Indian were prevalent in the area.

1239
01:09:08,319 --> 01:09:11,199
You know pre you know, pre White. Uh, that's the

1240
01:09:11,239 --> 01:09:15,760
only tribe that I know of was in Namaqua. But

1241
01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:17,880
I don't know.

1242
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:18,880
Speaker 3: It's a very good question.

1243
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:20,680
Speaker 1: I mean it's like, you know, i'd actually want to

1244
01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:22,359
like sit down and you like check this out now

1245
01:09:22,399 --> 01:09:26,119
and you know and see. But it's it's very possible,

1246
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:28,680
very possible. I mean, you know, it's like you know this,

1247
01:09:30,199 --> 01:09:32,520
I don't know who was there before us, you know,

1248
01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:35,159
but it's just a very good question. I want to

1249
01:09:35,199 --> 01:09:35,600
check it out.

1250
01:09:36,319 --> 01:09:38,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is a really good question. That just might

1251
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:42,920
be the question of the night. It's hard to say. Well,

1252
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:44,560
it's about time for us to get that if you're

1253
01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:46,239
a harlem. But before we do, you do you have

1254
01:09:46,279 --> 01:09:49,119
any clothing comments you want to put out there for us.

1255
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:54,520
Speaker 1: Expect the unexpected. All I can say, and keep your

1256
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:57,479
mind open, you know, and just you know, sit there,

1257
01:09:57,560 --> 01:10:01,720
I mean, and be alert. But you know, don't you know,

1258
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:04,800
don't live in fear you know, or you know, or

1259
01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:07,600
be be fearful you know of things that you know

1260
01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:11,560
you really don't know too much of. But no, I

1261
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:15,920
mean it's you know, just yeah, live your life. You know,

1262
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:18,880
if you see something, just go on from it. You shitting,

1263
01:10:19,359 --> 01:10:21,439
you know, ruminate about it.

1264
01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:26,199
Speaker 2: That's always good advice. Easier said than done, but that

1265
01:10:26,399 --> 01:10:29,960
is always good advice. But having said that, I can't

1266
01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:32,560
thank you enough for coming on and sharing the details

1267
01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:35,560
of all these experiences with this. I really appreciate it.

1268
01:10:36,199 --> 01:10:38,800
Speaker 1: Now, Thank you Vic for having his forum, and thank

1269
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:41,359
you everyone for actually asking the questions. And this was

1270
01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:45,079
this was fun. I enjoyed it very much and I'm

1271
01:10:45,079 --> 01:10:47,760
happy that I could, like, you know, you know, finally,

1272
01:10:48,119 --> 01:10:50,520
like you know, tell my secret.

1273
01:10:51,119 --> 01:10:52,760
Speaker 3: You know, it's for you stuff out there.

1274
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:55,359
Speaker 1: So yeahs like just you know, pay attention to the sky,

1275
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:58,199
I mean, wise man always, you know, look at the sky,

1276
01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:01,600
you know. So that's that's all I can say, is like,

1277
01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:03,560
you know, just people look up, you know, just check

1278
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:06,119
it out. Check out the stars for once if you can.

1279
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:08,159
You know, if you're in an area where you can.

1280
01:11:08,319 --> 01:11:09,319
It's just it's beautiful.

1281
01:11:10,079 --> 01:11:12,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you do that, you'll be surprised with what

1282
01:11:12,039 --> 01:11:17,279
you see quite possibly. Like I said, thanks against so

1283
01:11:17,359 --> 01:11:19,760
much of your time, Harlin, and have a great night.

1284
01:11:20,479 --> 01:11:20,920
Speaker 1: Thank you.

1285
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:25,680
Speaker 2: Thanks, We'll see all right. That's a wrap for another one,

1286
01:11:25,720 --> 01:11:29,239
another one in the books. In case you didn't know it,

1287
01:11:29,279 --> 01:11:32,439
I've got a new dog Man podcast out now, call

1288
01:11:32,479 --> 01:11:35,720
it dogmon Tails. I released an episode tonight at nine

1289
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:40,520
pm Eastern Time for Dogman Tails. It's titled The Beast

1290
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:43,920
of Blackwood Forest. So if you haven't checked it out,

1291
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:47,840
highly recommend you do. If you've had a Dogman encounter

1292
01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:49,840
of your own that you'd like to speak with me

1293
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:52,479
about because you either need help or maybe you want

1294
01:11:52,479 --> 01:11:55,199
to come on the show and share it with the listeners,

1295
01:11:55,319 --> 01:11:58,880
please go to Dogmanancounters dot com and submit a report.

1296
01:11:59,159 --> 01:12:02,560
If you submit a report, I'll just contact you, schedule

1297
01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:06,199
a phone consultation, and we'll take it from there. But

1298
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:09,159
having said that, thanks, as always so much for listening

1299
01:12:09,159 --> 01:12:12,119
to everyone. I really appreciate you doing that, and have

1300
01:12:12,199 --> 01:12:34,520
a great night.