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about dog men that you don't agree with. I mean,
we all have our opinions about things, and that's only fair.
But enough on that. Let's move forward to tonight's show.
Tonight's guest is Harlan. Harlan, Welcome to the show. Hey, Vick,
Well I'm doing better than I deserve. How about yourself?
Speaker 1: Not too bad? Not too bad?
Speaker 3: Complaining as long.
Speaker 2: As you can say that, that's a great thing. It
definitely is. Harlan, Please give us a brief bio on yourself.
Speaker 1: Oh I see here. I am fifty six. I live
in Houston from Texas in a remodeled train depot. I
am artistic and I'm working on a collection right now
called a Disaster Pieces. I am a just placed Qustom
picture framer and looking for a new new career. But
other than that, I just kind of go along with life,
you know, and try to enjoy my days.
Speaker 2: So well, yeah, that's all you can do. It really is.
And if you're living in a remodeled train depot, I'm
sure not all remodeled train depots have I guess inhabitants
quote unquote inhabitants that come along with them. But of
all the places you could live, I think that's probably
a lot more likely to have ghosts that come with
it than other places. Is that the case with yours?
Speaker 1: You know, there's something here, I mean always here, like bangs,
you know, weird like things in the kitchen, and there's yeah,
no reason for it. Like I've had several friends they
show up, They're like, there's somebody here, There's somebody here.
Speaker 3: I'm like here, so I think there's something here. Allegedly
there was a.
Speaker 1: Living in like nineteen thirty five of a poor young
woman around my little you know area. So I don't know, well,
you know, who knows, who knows? That's the story, though
mafia involved.
Speaker 2: Well, it'd be one thing if that was the only
experience you had along those lines, But unfortunately that's not
the case. From what I understand, some time ago, you
woke up to a very nasty surprise at the foot
of your bed. Please talk us through that. That's intense. Wow.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that was New Orleans. That would have been
a two thousand and seventeen. I was, Yeah, I was
laying there in my bed and noticed a tall, very
like seven foot tall thing just kind of standing at
the end of my bed back to me, looking at
the TV, at the TV on, and I could see
it like, you know shift, you know, underneath its brown
cloak kind of looked like the Grim Reaper or something
like that had a hood. I was like, what am
I looking at? As you know, so I sat there
for a minute. I'm like, this is not right. You know.
I had a friend there, you know, with me too,
and I was like, nope. I stepped out unebenounced Jim,
and to go smoke a cigarette.
Speaker 3: Came back and he was like, oh, oh you know
that way.
Speaker 1: He was like, I thought you went down this way
down in the hall because I kept hearing noises down there.
I was like, you hear noises down there. He's like yeah,
he's like, by the way, I saw your ghost. I
was like, oh, really, not the one he was talking about. Though,
as I explained it, he's like, oh, my son's ficktall
w brown, you know, brown cloak and hoodie, and he's
like a SAT's face, you know. When I see its face,
I'm like, oh, that's not my ghost. I don't know
what that was.
Speaker 3: Because there was a grou like I lived in the house.
Speaker 1: With a It was like three basically houses and a
horseshoe shape, and there was a great room, and in
the great room the ex owner's husband dead husband I
liked to, you know, crawl around edited the kitchens and
scare me the hell out of me when I was
in the bathroom flop. Sorry, but Yeah, it was a
very interesting time, and I was very happy to get
out of that house, very happy.
Speaker 2: Funny, Yeah, I can understand why. Let me guess you
never slept since then with the lights off?
Speaker 3: Oh no, yeah, you know, didn't scare me that much.
Speaker 1: But I just got you know, as soon as I
got out of Orleans, I was just happy, except then,
you know what happened in when.
Speaker 3: I moved to Vegas. So yeah, I think it's just
one of those things.
Speaker 1: I don't know if like magnetically gets pulled to you,
but yeah, you know, look ad you.
Speaker 2: Do, Yeah, i'd say so. Yeah, New Orleans. That is
a strange place. A lot of freaky things go on there.
I don't know what it is about that place, but
a lot of paranormal things happen. So yeah, it's far
from being a situation where it's just you. What other
kind of paranormal experiences have you've had? Have you had?
I know you've had your fear of share of them.
Speaker 1: Well, let's see here. When I grew up in Colorado,
Northern Colorado, the Love and Four Colins area, and I
moved back in two thousand and two, and then I
got into social work, and then I was given a
you know, a person that I was working for an
agency that we took care of developments disabled adults. And
so I was you know, given a word to you know,
take care of and you know, lived with me. Here's
high needs because of his behaviors. He was elderly, so
he was twenty four to seven. You know, supervision couldn't
be on my side or whatever. But the only time
that I really had to myself is at night. And
so at night, you know, it's like it was a beautiful,
a picturesque. I was like, we're on the edge for
a Collins like to the you know west of me
was you know fields and you know tree line and
the gout you know, a horse troops reservoir. It was beautiful.
So at night, you know, I'd be outside all the time,
especially during the summer, you know, just get some respite
for me away from him. And so then I just
started paying attention. I always pay attention to the sky.
I always have always well started noticing you know, the
depth vufos are prevalent and that are I listen, will
have to say it's a hotbed, and uh yeah it was.
That was crazy. But then that aside I mean, that's
that's a whole other story. I started noticing this is
in two thousand and four, to the west of me,
down in the tree line. It was a tall one
hundred for tall trees. It was gorgeous in wintertime. I
noticed this little orange light, you know, like just in
the trees. I thought it was somebody with like a
flash flight. I've never seen an orange flashlight, so I
was like, well, maybe somebody's coon hunting. But then again,
I never sided for the coon hunting in Colorado either,
so I don't know who I thought that, but so
I just kind of like, you know, put them back
in my mind. Then one night, I there was a
little place well road that I would go to where
I could open up my sun roof and there was
no light pollution and I could just like lean back
and check out the milky way. So I'm sitting there
one night and it was a one day road coming
down a hill and there's two houses, and at the
top of the hill, I noticed a little blue light
and I'm like, okay, must be your nighttime cyclist. It's Colorado.
People are healthy out there. And then I was like
I kept paying attention. I was like there's no head
attached to that light, you know. I was like, what
is that?
Speaker 3: It's just kind of floating in there.
Speaker 1: So I got out of my car, walked towards it
started backing away from me. Okay, now what is that?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: I was really intrigued. And it's this phenomenon they called
the Goat Hill ghost lights, and apparently they've been recorded
since the late eighteen nineties, Like there's a report gazette
or something like this, some really small town. But they
started publishing articles on it, and I was told about
this by a friend. I actually tried to do some
research on it and couldn't find anything, which couldn't surprise me.
But once you see one, then you see all, and
it just didn't stop. They're fascinating, absolutely fascinating. They were.
My opinion is they're like these little plasma based sending
in conscious balls of light. I mean, it's the only
way that I could describe it. I had hundreds of them,
and it got to the point where it's like I
would I'd go to this field, the slope on the
field just right to the west of my house and
lay there in summertime. Very few bugs just lay in
the grass and you know, look up the stars, and
it's like they noticed me. I noticed them, or they
noticed me noticing them pretty much, and then they would
get they would come a little closer closer. There was orange.
I think that the average one I was about tennis
ball sized orange, and they kind of like did this
little like wabble, a little wabble when they're in the sky,
just sitting there, but they kind of like bounce along
the ground kind of like look like they're foraging. But
I wouldn't know what for, just very slow and just
couldn't get meandering. But it got to the point where
they became used to me or very docile or something.
I would I would go for a bike right down
this road it was that they lived on. It was
exactly a mile from my house to the end of
the road. You got CSU forestry down there, which comes
into the late later in history here. And you know,
so it's like I could I could you know, mark
my miles, you know, by haven't many times I go
back and forth, and so you know, I literally, you know,
stopped at the corner across the street from my house
and there's two little you know lights in the field.
One of them was lavender collor a long was blue,
a little like one inch and I'm like twenty feet
away from them, and they're just you know, going about
their business, and I'm like, well, this is really cool.
And you know, I was chased out of the field
by when it was the size of the basketball. It
was a very very interesting time in my life. Shall
we say that it was solitary just because of my
job and the requirements and these things kind of became
like my surrogate friends. I don't know, it was just
the most bizarre thing ever. You know, I actually missed them.
Now I want to go back. I don't want to
check it out, you know. But they're absolutely fascinating. And
I've heard other people with the same stories and you know,
of of these things and they're out there. I don't
know what you think of them, but I'm happy they're
out there because they, you know, kept me from going insane,
you know, through that six years of you know, being
on you know, isolated with you know, the first notion
of care of because of just beavers. So yeah, yeah,
but they're really really cool.
Speaker 2: Never a dull moment. I'm sure it's not lost on you.
It's not going to be news to you when I
tell you that these things, paranormal things just seem to
be drawn to certain people. And guess what, I'd say,
You're definitely in that group of people, you think, So yeah,
I'd say you're a magnet for all this sort of thing.
You really are. Now we've talked a little bit here
about your paranormal experiences. But let's get down to brass tax. Now.
Please tell us about your dog me and the encounters.
Give us every last detail that comes to mind.
Speaker 1: All right. So it was during the same period, this
is going to be two thousand and seven to two
thousand and eight when I ran into this thing. So,
like I said, there was this road, you know, just
watch to the west of my house. That night I would,
you know, go down there and just get a little
rested for myself. And there was a there was a creek,
there's a tree line a creek, and then this little
bridge that I would sit on and just kind of
you know, sit there, you know, look at the creek,
stars whatever. So one night I'm sitting there and I
hear the faint tick of nails, you know, coming up
the street from the west, and I'm like okay, sun
for a leaks, it's got to be a dog, you know,
and closer and closer, and then here it comes and
I'm sitting on the bridge and I'm like, that's what
I'm looking at. The biggest dog I've ever seen. It
was tall. It was tall.
Speaker 3: It wasn't like body big.
Speaker 1: I mean it was built kind of like I would
have to say, like a great gain or greyhound, looked toned.
Speaker 3: But it was like four four and a half foot tall.
I say, probably the shoulder.
Speaker 1: I mean I was sitting there and it was like
on this you know, little bridge, and it was it
was almost eye level to me, but four and a
half there tall, And I'm like, what am I looking at?
So so it comes up, click click, click, and it
stops and it's five foot away from me, and I'm like,
I don't know what. I'm just like flabby acid. And
so it turns and looks at me and just, you know,
sits there for a few seconds, and I'm like, what
do I do? What do I do? What I do?
So I'm like, skit, skit, you know, and so it
just you know, turns its head and then saunters on
down the road to the corner, makes a left and
just walks off. I mean, you know, no big deal.
I mean he's just out for a stroll. And so
that was the first time. Second time it was pretty
much the same Scenarho. I'm sitting in the same place
and here or here the click click click, and I'm like,
oh god, no, I don't want to see that thing,
you know. I was like, what it is, and there's
going be nobody download the dog that big because there's
not a dog that big.
Speaker 3: I mean that tall. I've never seen dog that tall.
Speaker 1: That's the shoulder. So I'm sitting there, here comes and
it's okay. So description would be like I said, like
gree hundred great day in thin.
Speaker 3: Very short hair.
Speaker 1: I mean it not shaggy, not no man, no nothing,
very short hair all over. I could tell it was
like a dark gray. I could tell that much because
of the moonlight. So Sunker's up, you know, just I mean,
it's just me and it's just no carring World just
says the same thing, just kind of stops, looked over
at me, and I didn't do anything this time. I
just kind of sat there. I was quiet, and I
just looked back, you know. And then just went about
his business, you know, started down the road amaze right,
and then went down you know, people went down the
road and I'm like, what is that thing? I mean, yeah,
I wasn't. I wasn't threaded by it or anything like that.
It was it was just shocking just because of the
sheer height, you know, That's what That's what I was like,
not too fond of. So fast forward. So those two
incidents has happened about six months between each other, and
then probably about I don't know a year or so.
I'm again down the road because I mean that's that's
what my thing was, you know, that that time, you know,
to find some personal time. So I'm down okay. So,
like I said, CSU Forestry has a research center down there,
and they have this fence around the property that I
started to question because it is it's overkill.
Speaker 3: Absolutely overkill.
Speaker 1: I mean I was looking at it one night, this
is a night and then question. So I'm looking at
the fence and I'm like what is this. I mean,
it's it's like twelve foot tall. It's like three layers
of reinforced you know, like wire. I mean like you
really have to have like a pretty heavy duty bolt
cutter just to like snap through it. Then on topics,
I think it even has like an angle, you know,
like an angled part, you know, like trying to keep
people inner people out or whatever they're trying to keep
in or out. But I'm sitting there like checking this
fence out and then sudden catches my eye and I
looked down ground level and about okay, So then the
only light in the area was from an abandoned airstrip
that was behind me. There was a building and they
had one fleasn't light on it, and so that's the
only light. So I'm looking in this field about twenty
twenty five feet in past the fence, and I see
two sets of eyes looking back at me. And it
was strange because you know, it's like you hear a
dog man and the amber glow, you know, and it's
like I didn't even hear a dog man. I mean,
I didn't know about jog man until like ten years
later after this. There was no amber glow. And the
weird thing was like it was the entirety of the eye,
the whites, you know, everything was reflecting a light aqua
blue color and they're both and it's like I'm sitting.
I'm like looking at these four. Okay, so I'm looking
at these four like aqua blue lights, you know. I fee,
so what are you trying to fight? Feet away from me?
And then they start blinking and I'm like, oh, come
on now, you know, and I could tell it was
like like kind of dog like I don't know, they
were definitely laying down if their heads were kind of tilting,
you know, like a dog would you kind of looking
at me, you know, looking over at me and blinking
And I mean nothing got up, you know, like cha
Stafferman whatever. But it was still like enough of a shock.
I mean, the eyes were about eight inches apart. It
so not so I'm like, you know, seeing it, I'm
like putting all of it together, and I'm like, oh, well,
perhaps this is what I have been seeing, you know,
coming down the street. I was like that would make sense.
And why. I'm like, is this fence here because of them?
I mean, what's going on? What are they doing? We
do it? You know?
Speaker 3: So so I went home.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm not even gonna, you know, try
to figure this out tonight. And then I the last
time I saw.
Speaker 3: It, it was the same.
Speaker 1: Except this time as far as okay, as far as
like me sitting on the little bridge, same thing happened.
Click click CLICKI look like here it comes, you know,
but this time there was a police officer sitting, uh
probably a cop par with two police officers, and they
were sitting about seventy eighty feet away from me, like
on the other side of the street. So they were
pointing west and because the dog was walking to the
east and did the same thing, just kind of like
walked up, you know, stop.
Speaker 3: Looked over at me.
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, we've been to this before, and
then you know, started walking off. But the funny thing
was the the reaction that I was watching the faces
on these these two police officers. It was priceless. I
mean I just started laughing. I mean internally, you know,
you don't want to see cops. You know, you don't
to do cops. You laughing at them. But they didn't
know what the thing was as tall as the car,
you know, and and they're looking at it, and I
could tell her like their their mouths were open. There
was just like just like what you know, and it's
just like I said, sauntered off, turned right, and obviously
it had something to do down down a one trail.
You know, it had something to go on there that
was very important because obviously that's where I like to go.
So I don't know if like, you know, it dug
out from underneath this fence because that's obviously where it's
little home was, you know. But it was so interesting
and it's like I kind of like, you know, stored
those memories, you know, back in my mind and then
I started listening to you two years ago or something
like that, and here come those memories. As far as like,
well wait a minute, I mean, but it makes no
sense because it's nothing like I've been listening to you know,
and I was like, so what did I see? Yeah,
and I'm still questioning it. It's just it's I don't know,
it's just unlike unlike anything. So but you know, it's
one of those things where I'm happy that I had
the experience. It was non threatening. I mean, it was
most it was. It was comical because I mean it
was so laid back. You know, I didn't it didn't growl,
I didn't do anything. It's kind of like you know,
looked over ohhay, you know, and then sunkered off. You know.
So I'm very happy that I know that things like
that are out there. And more than that, I mean,
you know, when I was sixteen, I saw Bigfoot for
alling over a guard rail on gard late, you know,
so I knew things were out there at a young age,
you know. And yes, folks, it's real.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you did get an early start, you really did.
I should have asked you this when we had our
first conversation, but for whatever reason, I didn't. Before you
had that first dog Man encounter in twenty oh seven. Yeah,
obviously already had multiple peer normal experiences. But did you
believe in existence of cryptids like dog men or or
had you not heard about dog men before that?
Speaker 1: Well, I had never heard about dog Man. I heard
about dog Man from from another channel, and he's based
in New Orleans and I was living in New Orleans
at the time, and that's where I became fascinated, absolutely fascinate.
I couldn't, like, you know, get enough you know about
dog Man. But as far as so when I was
a kid, I was absolutely fascinated with Bigfoot. The first time.
I remember, the first show that I had watched on
it was more of like a you know, docu drama
kind of thing, you know, where it can be like
sneaking up to nold woman like you know, doing her dishes,
you know, peeking.
Speaker 3: In the window, that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: And it's just, you know, I always have dreams about it.
It was just crazy, and so you know, inside, you know,
I always believed that, you know, I think the possibility
you know of you know, things like that existing existing.
You know, I, you know, gave it at least you know,
that much credit. But when it became like obvious to
me that there was something there, but I didn't put
I couldn't put my finger on what I had seen
when I was sixteen, a herd of lake until just
a few years ago. So what happened was my friend
Shelley B and I. I had a big blue Camaro
at the time, and it was fun to drive and
you know, and so I picked her up. It was
like twelve o'clock or something, and so we went cruising,
you know, like into the foothills and Carter Lake as
above Loveland, Colorado, and it's got two dams.
Speaker 3: And if anybody can.
Speaker 1: Like you know, know what a dam looks like. I
got water on one side and you got the retaining
wall on the other and you know, it's like you're
talking to the retaining wall. It's gonna be like giant
boulders and you know, earth and stuff like that. Like
seventy deary angle. Not very friendly for foot traffic, you know,
for for humans or anything. Really, you'd really have to
want to get up that embankment to you know, touch
a new fond. So we're krygy. We were crossing the
second dam and about seventy feet away from the end
of the guard rail, so the water is on the
left or on the right of us, the embankment is
on the left and there's the guard rail, and so
about fifty feet before we passed to the end of
the guardrail, something comes over the guard rail and I'm
sitting there, I'm thinking, what is a sheep dog doing
up here at this time of night?
Speaker 3: Because it was the size of a sheep dog.
Speaker 1: And if anybody doesn't know what a sheep dog is,
it is a big dog. That is Harry's so shaggy. Okay,
that's a sheep dog. It's got long white and gray hair.
And I'm yeah, So it's like it's coming over the
guardrail and it's just a sheep dog, and then I
don't know if we saw something that you know that
I'm not remembering. But also it's like I'm looking over
at Shelley, She's looking at me, and we're both like
just kind of like face forward and we don't talk
for the rest of the ride to like drop her off,
and so this and like I said, it's like, you
know somethings you take a memory, just put it in
the back of your head and you know it needs
to come up later. Will So this is only a
couple of years ago. It popped up and I was like,
wait a minute, there was no sheep dog. I mean,
I was like, what was I thinking? So I started,
like I started thinking about the incident, and it was
an arm. It was an arm that reached over it
grabbed underneath the guardrail and it was pulling itself up
and over the guardrail.
Speaker 3: And it was gigantic.
Speaker 1: I mean, like I said, I step dogs like five
foot water or something like that, you know, and this
but frightening, I mean, just the sheerest size of this thing,
you know. After I started thinking about it, I was like,
that was I'm so happy that we were passing it
when we did, because if we were just like you know,
twenty seconds behind, you know, I mean it would have
been completely different. Who knows, I with the arm like
that size, I mean, it could have just you know,
squished us just with his arx blop give her in
a camara.
Speaker 3: You know, there's nothing there.
Speaker 1: So that kind of set things, you know in my head,
you know that I guess there's you know, something out there.
But like I said, you know, I didn't really put
two and two together for years later, but I was new.
I always knew. I always you know, I always wanted,
you know, there to be you know, something else besides
you know what we know, there's you know, it's a
big world, and it's a very strange world, and you know,
to have cryptids, you know, in here with us. I
think it just adds a little color, you know, it
just makes it more of a Motley crue, but.
Speaker 2: Adds a little color. I'd say it does add some
color to life in general. You've had an exciting life.
It really makes you wonder that what's next. I mean,
after having all these experiences, you're only fifty six, You've
got a lot of years ahead of you. Who knows,
you might have another sasquatch experience might check off another
box on dog me and encounters as well. And as
far as the peer normal goes, that's a throw up.
Who knows what's next on that in that category.
Speaker 1: That's the truth. I have no idea. You know. It's like,
so Houston is a very close approximatey proximity to sam
Houston National Forest, which is notorious for having bigfoot encounters.
Speaker 3: But these are not the nice bigfoot.
Speaker 1: These are the ones that you're going to like, you know,
tear up your camp and you're not going to be
seen ever again. And this has happened. I mean there's
been There was a really bad incident a few years
ago when this camp was destroyed that people have never seen,
you know. So I thought like, maybe I want to
go like exploring and you know, see what I can see,
and I have decided against that after listening to your show.
It's like, so, you know, I've been a cyclist all
my life and at night, you know, it's the best
time to go in Houston because you're not said with
obviously the sun and the heat of the day. So yeah,
I'll take off for you know an hour, two, three,
four five at a time, just depending on like, you know,
how much I want to stay out there, and I
get into some really desolate areas. I mean, you know,
it's like he's just a city, you know, but you know,
we still have a lot of greenway and uh, you
know love places are just you know, completely dark and
there's just nobody around for quite a while. And you
know if you're just out on a trail like PI
Trail or something, you know. So it's like, I mean
I've been in situations where, you know, thinking about it now,
I'm like, you know, what what what what was I thinking?
Speaker 3: You know, at you know, two o'clock in the morning,
you know.
Speaker 1: Here, I'm like, you know, just like just sitting and
you know, checking out the stars, you know, on some
deserted you know, bike trail, and it's like, what could
have walked up on me?
Speaker 3: And that's what my thoughts are now, what could walk
up on me?
Speaker 1: You know. That's so it's like I've actually been more vigilant,
started paying attention to you know, what could be out there,
just a little late, a little bit of humor. So
I do want to go to the dollar store and
get like a big yellow piece of paper, big marker,
and I want to put up a dog man crossing
sign on the bike trail just because I think people
should know that it's possibly there. I mean, you know,
it's it was just the perfect areas.
Speaker 3: It's the perfect your habitat for them.
Speaker 1: You've got to buy you, you know, You've got you know,
just plenty of you know, space around to buy you.
Speaker 3: So I don't know.
Speaker 1: But as far as you know, like the you know, UFOs,
those are there's a commonplace if you know what to
look for, you can find them. And I'm not talking
aliens or anything like that. I'm just saying, you know,
light sits just you know, what is that seriously? You know,
come on people, you know, But I don't know as
far Okay, So yeah, as far as you know it
goes to stuff goes, don't bother me. But you know,
when it's a seven foot tall relative of the Grim
Reaper standing at the end of your bed, I'm going
to move on from that, you know. And and I'm
not gonna, like, you know, sit in the postcard letting
in where I went. So yeah, that's about it.
Speaker 2: Vick. I can't say blame you for not wanting to
revisit that at all. I don't blame you. You've had four opportunities,
Harlan to watch that dog man move with that in mind.
Did you ever notice any jerky movements or was it
smooth and how it moved?
Speaker 1: It was smooth. It was it walked kind of strange
and that's what I noticed when it was, you know,
you know, coming up the road. It was like its
front legs were a little bit longer than its back
legs or something. It was. It was just odd. It
was bizarre. But yeah, but it was smooth. I mean
it was you know, and it's the side of a pony.
Speaker 3: And you know kind of like walked like one.
Speaker 1: I mean it was. It was very graceful. I mean
as far as you know, didn't like stumble or you know,
it was a jerky or anything. It was just you know,
very yeah, very smooth. I I wouldn't mind seeing one
of those, just I I'd like to see again, just
just do like get a better observation of it thing.
I mean, I want to get back to that area
because it was five years of of wow, you know
every day, you know, and then my friend Derek, he'd
be with me and we'd be checking I mean, we'd
be seeing all of this stuff and it became so commonplace,
you know to us.
Speaker 3: You know, we see like, you know, one of the
lights just.
Speaker 1: Like like you know, coming down the road, like up
into a tree and then disappearing, and we'd be like, oh, yeah,
it's just one of those things again, you know. And
it was I miss it, to tell you the truth,
I really missed that because it it added uh an
error of like there was a mystery behind it. And
then like I said, it became kind of you know,
like a like a surrogate, you know, not family, but
you know, friends or something like that on a very strange,
strange level. Like fourth of July, I saw one bouncing
down the street in daytime. It was a little white
one just bouncing down the street with the okay, so
the tail on the thing it was electric. I mean
it's throw off the ground. It's just it's bouncing, but
it's bouncing on air. It is like the edge of
the tail is just like it looks sparking or something.
Speaker 3: It's like the flick long. It's just you know, like
a little like bouncing light blizzard. I don't know, but.
Speaker 1: Interesting. I would like to go back and check that
out again, though, you know.
Speaker 2: The real interesting you know, that's a good way to
sum it up. That building you told us, that facility
that you told us about, though there are more things
I want to ask you about that, such jazz. How
would you describe that building now? Listening to you talk
about it, it sounds like it's got a fence all
the way around it. But does it look like just
someone assuming warehouse or a government facility? How would you
describe it?
Speaker 1: Let me go into that. Okay, so if you're heading
west down this road, the first thing on the right
that you're going to run into, and it's about a
half mile down the road, is going to be that
abandoned airstrip, and there's one building there that's abandoned. It's
an old metal well hangar, and it's got one floors
of the light around when it's you know, like up
in the top of gable. Then the fence starts right
about and there a little bit to the east of it,
and then if you follow the fence down there is
actually a research building that is i'd say another quarter
mile away down the street from that, which is it's
a large building. You know, it's just the size of
a you know, a college campus building because it's it's
just you know, that's where they're you know, research center is,
but they grow trees back there or something, you know,
for forestry. And so then there's that building. And then
at the end of that road it dead ends into
the one of the dams for horse Trooth Reservoir. And
then there's the water filter filtration plant down there too,
on the right hand side. But yeah, that that's it's
it's a really ugly building that CSU has down there
is for not pretty, but it's an interesting area. It's
I've seen other things, right, I want when it does.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I understand it might be the best policy there.
Now this might be a silly question or sound like
a silly question, but do you remember which way the
barbed wire on the top of that fence around that
facility points? Does the point inwards or outwards? In other words,
just to try to keep things in the facility or
to try to keep people out of the facility.
Speaker 1: I could, Okay, So the top of it, I don't think.
I don't believe it was Barbara. Okay, So it was
troll foot tall. And I've seen about this the other
day I was like, you know, and I want I was,
I was going to, like, you know, just google the image,
but I believed that it was facing inward, so it
was it was more it was more of you know,
the same you know, reinforced rebar or whatever, and I
believe it was it was facing inward. Yeah. So but
there again, I mean, it's like, my you know, this
is two thousand and seven. My recollection could be you know,
completely wrong. And that's why I wanted to, like, you know,
let's get some clarification on it. Google you I forgot.
But it was just such such overkill to protict trees.
I mean, I don't know of anybody who's gonna, like,
you know, go in and like dig up a full
sized pine and walk off with it, you know. Bizarre.
I just thought it was bizarre. So I don't know what.
Speaker 3: I don't know what's going on down there, but you know,
fas thrown I.
Speaker 2: Guess sounds like everything about that facility is bizarre. And
for anyone listening who doesn't know, if you have barbed
wire at the top of a fence and it's pointing inward,
well that's to keep things in. If it's pointing out
then obviously it's designed to keep people and then other
things out, whatever that might be. So that's not to say, oh,
he's got barbed wire on the top of that fence
there at that facility, so they must have dog men
shoulder to shoulder inside. No, we can't jump to that
crazy conclusion. Maybe they do have quite a few dogmen
in there, but I mean that's just a leap. We
don't know what's going on in that place. But if
it's a twelve foot fence, even for a government facility,
that is unusual, very unusual. Is it normal Did you
say it's normal chain link fence or is it no climb? Oh?
Speaker 1: No, I mean it's it's three layers of reinforced like
rebar fencing. That it's not chain link. It's it's you know,
it's where each of the links is welded, you know together.
So it's just very very reinforced. And that's why I
was like generally looking at it, like what is this that's fascinated,
you know, it's like what is this place for? You know,
And then yeah, and then there's like sort of the
dogs or whatever they were, and then you know, yeah,
I lift it at that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I understand now, I'm never going to say that
a twelve foot fence, even with barbed ware in the top,
is going to stop a dog. Mean the ones to
get out because they can jump right over that, of
course they can. I'm seeing some comments in the live
chat reflecting that, well, of course they can jump over
a twelve foot fence. Those guys, they can jump like
it's going out of style. But we don't know what
else they might have in that facility. It's really hard
to say. So it does make you wonder what's going
on in there. Now. It could very easily be a
facility where there's nothing extraordinary going on. I mean, that's
probably what's going on. Is probably a case where there's
nothing extraordinary at all about that facility. But when you
see what you just told us about, it does make
you wonder, it really does. But having said all that there, Harlan,
how sure are you that it was the same dog
me in the saw each of the four times?
Speaker 1: Oh? I mean, I think it was even like the same,
you know, the same animal. I mean, just just because
of how it behaved, you know, each time it was
it was a little like personality, I guess, you know,
as far as it like stop, look over, you know,
and then look away and then walk off. And the way
it sauntered, you know, was the same, very casual, very
casual little beest. But yeah, it was definitely the same one.
It's like short, short hair, looking like a greyhound, you know,
and face you know, even the hidden face was like
I said, kind of great Danish greyhoundsh you know, non threttening,
which was good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say he was casual, just taking in the sights.
It sounds like which that beats the pants off of
and trying to terrify you. And also another thing I
should touch on. I saw some comments in the live
chat where people are saying, okay, as just a dog
that he saw sauntering up the road. Well, he also
told us that his best guess for a size would
be that this thing was right around fifty four inches
at the shoulders at the weathers. Even the biggest giant
breed dog doesn't come anywhere close to being fifty four
inches at the shoulders. Nowhere close. I mean, most giant
breeds at the tallest coming around thirty thirty two inches
at the shoulders at the withers. Some get a little
taller than that, but they don't touch fifty four, Like
I said, So if you're trying to explain this a
way as just being a big dog that's going for
a walk, we'll try again, because that's definitely not it.
Now do you think the dog man was a pureanormal entity,
Harlan and that explains why he saw it four times
in four different places, or do you think there's another
explanation for that?
Speaker 1: Oh? No, it was. It was as real as anything.
You know, here's the click click click. You know, he
definitely needed a nail trim. But you know, no, it
was it was. It was real.
Speaker 2: It was. It was as uh.
Speaker 1: Real as I am, I guess, you know. But yeah,
that thing was tall. I mean, like I said, I
was sitting there and it was you know pretty much.
And then like when you know, I was walking to
the right hand side of that police car was as
tall as the car, you know, and uh, it was
just so bizarre, you know.
Speaker 3: But like I said, it's just you.
Speaker 1: Know, there's no.
Speaker 3: Similarity you know with you know, with these other.
Speaker 1: You know beasts that have been described, you know, so
I'm not sure if it's like you know, variation or
whatever it was, but it was real, and it was tall,
and it was you know, just very casual. So happy
about that. I'm sure I wish it.
Speaker 2: Luck Well, Yeah, that's awfully kind of you. Most I
witnesses they don't have any any good feelings like that
towards the dogmen they see. So as long as you
have those feelings, that means your encounters haven't been bad
at all, which is always a good thing. It really is. Now,
you said that you don't think it's a pure normal being,
but that doesn't mean that it's not connected somehow. Your
experiences with the dog men there aren't connected to the
pure normal experiences you've had. Do you think they're totally
separate or do you think there's connection somehow.
Speaker 1: I don't know show that that thing I saw in
New Orleans, I think it was, you know, because I
had it was it was night time, so I had
like my my well French doors open in front and
then my back door open to get a breeze through.
So I think it was probably just like cruising by
and like, hey, there's an open door, I'm going to
go in and see what's going on, you know, and
it's just kind of like, you know, whiz didn't like
check it out, But I don't know, you know. I
mean also New Orleans, I did meet somebody who who
was possessed by several things. But I don't know if yeah,
I don't. It's just a great question. I mean, I
don't think they're you know, related, But I mean, why
why have I seen these things? You know? Are they
drawing to me.
Speaker 3: Or or whatever?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I haven't really figured that out yet.
I think it's more of like you know, time and
place or you know, I don't.
Speaker 3: Believe coincidences, you know, but your guess is mine. No idea,
no idea.
Speaker 1: But I'm happy that I have seen some of the
things that I have, although it has maybe somewhat unrelatable
to other people because my experience have like they've they've
been intense and while lasting, you know.
Speaker 3: I mean I was seeing.
Speaker 1: Those those orbs in Colorado.
Speaker 3: Yes, I guess, you know, like people also justs thriving
as orbs.
Speaker 1: But some orbs are like more transparent that you see
in photography, and these were you know, these were semi transparent,
but completely different in those that they talk about. But
it's like, I mean, that experience lasted for five years,
you know of you know, seeing these things you know regularly,
and I mean it's like, you know, one night, you know,
I went down to the slope where I you know,
laid on in the grass and check out the sky.
You know, here goes you know, ful above me. And
I look at my house and then there's you know,
like there's little orange you know, like ghost layer or whatever,
like you know by my besroom window. There's one down
by the porch you know that. I turn around and
there's a big one that's like, you know in this
why of this dead tree, you know, a basketball sized thing,
you know, And I walk towards it, and it floats
up up, you know, away from tree and up above
my neighbor's trees across the streets, which were like eighty
feet tall, and then it cruises across the street and
stops above my neighbor's house. So walk over to my
patio and I'm just standing or look at this thing. Yeah,
I'm like, what are you you know, and it's just
sitting there, you know. I mean it's like, yeah, I'm
not getting any like you know weird you know, might
hear anything like that from it? WHI should you believe in.
But nothing. I'm not getting anything from it, you know.
Speaker 3: Other than hi, we're here.
Speaker 1: You know, we're here, and obviously we're not threatening you,
you know, And it was it was more. It was
very benign, you know, verbanign. But I'm like I said,
I've become slightly unrelatable because you know, these things change you.
They put a different perspective, you know, on how you
look at things and what you can expect you know
or you know and what because expect anything?
Speaker 3: Really and I.
Speaker 1: Do, oh yeah, I know them to do.
Speaker 2: Experiences. Yeah, And you also said just a moment ago,
and I believe you when you said it. You said
that after having all those experiences, it became normal for you.
And like I said, I do believe you. After having
all those experiences, it probably did become normal. But I
can't even wrap my head around how it would be
to actually have that be normal, to have these kinds
of experiences. Again, I believe you and I understand it,
but I just can't wrap my mind around all that.
But considering as many experiences as you've had, have you
ever had any near death experiences?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: I have not.
Speaker 1: My just go into this. My mom was fairly psychic.
When I was a kid, she didn't know what was
going on. She would she would predict death when when
she was dreaming. That was the closest thing I guessed it,
like yeah, and she's I was the only one she
would confide in it, and it was freaky. She hated it,
you know, but you know she'd always dream of like
the funeral or something like that, and within a month,
you know, we could expect, you know, like somebody to
drop off, and it always happened. She visited her best
friend's funeral, like astray one night and her to her
my mom's friend's son cold to let her know that,
you know, she had passed. And my mom sat there
and described the funeral to him and like flowers and everything.
Speaker 3: Layout She's like I was there, you know.
Speaker 1: He's like, how is this possible?
Speaker 3: She's like, I don't know, I don't know how this happens.
Speaker 1: It just does you know. So it was it was,
it was.
Speaker 3: It was a curse on her. You know, nobody would
want that.
Speaker 1: Nobody. But as far as no, I haven't had an
I mean I so you know, it's like I did
have like a car accident when we in nineteen seventy
nine where you know, we were almost all taken out.
Everyone had an amusement park and got broadsided by it
by somebody at a one hundred and six miles an
hour or something kind of like t bone, you know,
and uh, yeah, I don't know if that's you know,
like it's it was scary and we all got bumped around.
But I don't know if that has anything to do
with it, because I don't know.
Speaker 3: There's there's you know, there's there's a lot.
Speaker 1: Of things that I questioned as far as like how
does this fit into anything?
Speaker 3: But no, as far as the normalization of.
Speaker 1: These things, you know, it it was totally it's like,
you know, my secret almost I don't know, you know,
I still can't wrap my head around some of it.
You know. It's like like you know with the UFOs,
I mean, once you see when you just can't stop
seeing them, especially if you know what you're looking for,
and it's like it was absolutely insane. I mean I
thought that I was like, am I seeing this? Am
I really seeing this? So I take photographs and yes,
there it is, you know, there is so yeah, it's
it's very can be very confusing. If I try, if
I try to think about it too much, and I
try not to, if I don't want to confuse myself.
I've got plenty of plenty of other things in my
life to do, so you know, otherwise I just move
on from it, you know. But I do miss the uh,
those little or you know, ghost lights or whatever they are, because,
like I said, they did become very like you know,
jostyle and would not you know, just like you know,
just you know, fly off. So I don't know if
I've thought I've seen it. Like in Phoenix when I
lived in Phoenix, there was a friend that I had
lived on a tree line and I was like standing
on their patio one night, just just you know, looking,
and I could swear that I saw, you know, like
you know, one of those like orange you know, orbs
or whatever. And so I went and I like asked them,
you know, I was like, have you seen anything? Like
You're like, oh yeah, He's like, yay, we've Coctor's out here.
Oh that's that's pretty coolcause you should see those in Colorado,
you know. And so that was nice to kind of,
you know, reassure myself that, Okay, you're not completely insane,
you know.
Speaker 3: So yeah, you know, I wish, you.
Speaker 1: Know, I would I hope other people, you know, can
you know, find some you know some uh things like
that to you know, on a regular basis, just go
to Colorado. Well all sorts of stuff up there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say there is so that you know. You
might already know this, but if you have a near
death experience, it does seem to open you up to things.
It thins the veil for you. It seems like where
you're more prone to see ghosts and have pure normal experiences,
and it seems to predispose you to having dogged me
and encounters and also ask watching counters too. I'm not
sure if you knew that, but if you didn't, that
definitely seems to be a pattern.
Speaker 1: It would make sense, you know, like after the car
accident was brutal, and so when the paramedics showed up
to you know, like you know, pull all of us,
you know, six of us out. I was just mangled,
you know, a piece of metal. They like they lighted
people up like head to toe to the head, you know,
like on the pavement and they start like you know,
with the scissors and you know, taking everything off and
I guess I was like laying next to my mom
and she confided this in me years later, you know,
but I like there, like mom were gonna die and
she's like why would we? And she was passed of
all that stuff, you know, So it was possible that,
I mean, you know, it was more to it that
I know, you know, but it was it was it
was intense, and it was like years to to to
you know, heal from from those injuries. So you know,
perhaps there was more too, to the extent that I
don't know, you know, how could have affected me with
such subjects, you know. So that's how I that's the
only thing I can think of.
Speaker 2: Well, it might be playing a part somehow, some way.
It's hard to say. There's so many things about how
this crazy world works that we're never going to understand.
So maybe that is connected. It just might be. And
while we're on this theme, have you ever played with
any Ouiji boards?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: Good?
Speaker 1: No, I knew at a young age that was just
not a good thing, you know, So, no.
Speaker 2: That's really good. So many people play with these things
that know better. It's one thing if you don't know
better and do it, But so many people know better
and they play with them. Still just don't understand that.
I really don't.
Speaker 3: I agree, I absolutely agree, you know, just some bad decision.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it really doesn't make any sense. Well, let's get
to some questions from the live chat now. If you
have a question you want me to ask Harlan, please
type it in all caps. I've got one for you
from unreal estate agent seven seventy. He wants to know,
even when taking strides, did it seem to glide as
if on air?
Speaker 1: Yeah? It definitely. I mean it was very graceful, very
graceful glided. Yeah, but it was. It wasn't like it
was walking on air, but it was, you know, it
just you know, almost like it like you know, high
stepping pony or something.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 3: It was was graceful, definitely.
Speaker 2: Man with long legs like that, I bet it was graceful.
It looks like Charles Dugo wants to know. Does Harlan
remember the name of the road?
Speaker 1: I do. I'm not sure if I want to say it,
you know, just because I mean, it's it's it's such,
it's it's it's one of the most like recognis. I
don't want to get anybody because it's like I used to, like,
you know, it was on the corner right there, and
I don't want anybody to bother anybody around there pretty much.
Speaker 3: But yes, I do, like you remember that the names
of the roads.
Speaker 1: But I have probably given enough like info where you
could you know, definitely find it out if you know.
But I don't want to, you know, endanger anybody make
suring the names.
Speaker 2: That does make good sense, I understand. I don't blame you.
It looks like luman one O one wants to know
Harlan did it look beautiful painting worthy? And then he
wants to know one to ten on a scale?
Speaker 1: Well, it was, I mean it was. It wasn't ugly.
Speaker 3: I mean it was like I said it was, it
was very pretty.
Speaker 1: Very athletic, you know, looking thin whole talk. I mean yeah,
I mean you know it's definitely I mean, you know,
and painting, I mean it would yeah, I mean he
used to pink grayhounds all the time, you know, and
then you know the French paintings. But yeah, you know,
i'd say, yes, he could definitely have some you know,
artistic my ability.
Speaker 2: No, I get it sounds like it did. It looks
like unreal estate agent wants to know. I guess this
is just for clarity on his question. He wants to
know if it was gliding like it was on ice
or in a different way.
Speaker 1: No, No, it was just it was very graceful with
how it walked, you know, like it's just like some
even like with horses. You know, you've got you know,
quarter horses that they have a different block than say,
you know, like an Arabian or like I can't remember
the name of those those dancing horses. But it just
had a very natural, graceful walk, you know. That's all
I can really say. Seriously. I mean, it was just,
you know, it was it.
Speaker 3: Was it was humorous because it was.
Speaker 1: So so just laid back and just too I'm just
a dog out on walk, you know. So yeah, it
was it was just you know, it's just how it walked.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really hard to describe how something was moving
like that. I think you did a good job describing it,
but it's not easy to do at all, not by
a long shot. It looks like black Sheep wants to
know how many experiences you've had.
Speaker 1: Oh geez, Okay, So in two thousand and five, I
saw my first stratospheric mystery light at twelve o'clock midnight,
and then the next night I saw one again.
Speaker 3: That yeah, then I could not stop seeing them.
Speaker 1: Hundreds of UFO sightings, no encounters, you don't need that,
but hundreds. I mean, it was just it was unreal.
And then the orbits of me five years you know,
of watching those on a you know, nightly basis.
Speaker 3: This is all at the same time too.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like I'm watching you know, the starts,
I'm watching the fields.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: There was one night in particular it was very strange.
So across the street there was there was a pond
and I mean you were trying to call it like,
you know, this summer there's like, you know, crickets and
brought this pond had so many frogs in.
Speaker 3: It was just like noisy, noisy, noise and noisy.
Speaker 1: So watched outside one night and it was completely quiet,
not a sound at all, and it was eerie, and
I was like, whooh, I don't like this, what's going on?
You know? And then across the street to the north
of me, it was this bush and it started shaking
and there was just like there was something behind the bush.
Shaking the bush and I was like, nope, you know,
I just walked back in. But I was like what
I was like, that was bizarre. I've never heard that since.
And I've heard people talk about that, you know, and
it's it's it's very uncomfortable, you know, when you're not
hearing you know, the nighttime creatures doing their you know,
little thing, very uncomfortable and say something's wrong, you know.
And yep, I've left it at that and went inside.
The best thing to do bush shaking.
Speaker 2: I can't say I'll blame you. It looks like Candy
Wolf wants to know if one has ever spoken with you.
Speaker 1: No, I've never got anything like that.
Speaker 3: The only you know, the only thing that I could
you know, pick up, you.
Speaker 1: Know, as far as just the non threatening behavior, you know,
the docile very, you know, it's like.
Speaker 2: Just just.
Speaker 1: Just non threatening, you know all you know, all of
everything that I've had, you know, it's just more of
like an observation.
Speaker 3: You know, than than anything.
Speaker 1: And uh yeah, no, no thing's ever spoken to me,
and I don't want them to.
Speaker 2: I can't say I'll blame you there. This next question,
you don't have to answer this. If you don't want to,
and I'm pretty sure you're not gonna want to answer it.
But it looks like Kurt Schlichten wants to know where
did you say this place? Was?
Speaker 1: Mean, No, it's Colorado. It's in Colorado. I mean all
those experiences were Colorado. It's northern Colorado. But you know,
just let's just leave it at that.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, if you're.
Speaker 1: To listen to you know, you know what I should
prior eating. Definitely if anybody is from that area, then
they know exactly what I'm talking about, you know exactly.
But you know, I just don't want to go into
any you know, into too much details. First, you know
where it is, because it's like it's a hotbed you
know for you know, UFO tech activity, and there's allegedly
a base back there.
Speaker 3: Never saw that.
Speaker 1: You don't think I have, but uh yeah, it's like,
you know, I keep stopping and it was like yeah
because it's like my mother's like all this stuff that's
like flowing through my brain right now, you know, as
far as like you know, what I've seen and just
kind of like reliving some of it, and it's yeah,
makes it makes you feel like, you know, like you know,
like you are just like because you're always quit and
it's like questioning yourself is that you know it can
be you know, such a such a just a problem
because you know that you really do, like you know,
throw yourself into like some meta psycho coaches. I'm like, oh,
I'm like absolutely insane, you know, But but I did
have you know, you know, several friends that would be
with me, you know, for for a lot of the stuff,
and you know, so that helps, you know, with knowing
that it's not in my brain per se. You know,
it's like, yes, this is happening because I have you know,
it's just you know, but other eyewitnesses shut it's just
it's just the weirdest stuff, you know, like what's going
to be next.
Speaker 2: I don't blame you. It really does make you wonder that,
and you've got every right to wonder that as well.
I've got another question for you from unreal estate agent
seven seventy. They want to know do you know of
the history of the area as far as if old
battlefields are there or graveyards someone else I can't remember who,
but they're wondering about Native American burial ground.
Speaker 1: Okay, I do I do.
Speaker 3: There's no battlefields.
Speaker 1: There is an old graveyard, so goat Hill is it's
a hogback hill that is been north of me, probably
about a mile or something like that. And then between
it and me there was an old, very old cemetery
that was room to be extremely haunted. So yes, there
was a cemetery in the area, very small one though,
but I never went. It's like, you know, I did
stop one night and I you know, ventured to like
the edge of the fence, like you know, peek in
and just kind of like, you know, check it out.
Speaker 3: But I've got a creepy feeling from.
Speaker 1: That place, very creepy feeling, so I never went in,
you know. But yeah, there is a cemetery. There's as
far as Native American, not that I know of. Yeah,
it's Colorados, you're talking frontier and I never heard of
any battles, you know, as far as anything like that.
But yeah, definitely cemetery in the area.
Speaker 2: Huh. That might add to it. It could, Yeah, it's
just might. Caleb Gates wants to know, did you feel
it penetrate you in your mind? They say it can
do that, especially the canon type dog man.
Speaker 1: No, No, I mean I sat there and you know,
I you know, it was looking at me.
Speaker 3: I was looking into it.
Speaker 1: And that it's it's just you know, it turned and
walked off. Although there was one night and I just
remember this same bridge. You know, I'm a creature habit,
and this one made me run though, because like I said,
it's on a tree line, so it was in you know,
it was in the shadows where this little bridge was,
but it was like on the roads so.
Speaker 3: You can look up see the stars, put trees on
both sides. So I'm sitting.
Speaker 1: There and I start hearing and we're talking pitch black
back in the trees, you know how it is. And
I heard I hear something on two feet walking in
my general direction, like through the through the rubbish and
the leaves and everything. And I'm like, hope, nope, getting
back to the house, you know, chuck tail and run
because that was not that was not anything that I
would want to run into. No, that was I knew
that one would not be good. You know, there's nothing
that's gonna be There's nobody that's gonna be walking back
in these trees at that time of night, you know,
without a flashlight, you know, stomping through.
Speaker 3: You know, the the.
Speaker 1: Brush, not even on a trail, just right out in
the middle of the you know, of everything, bushes.
Speaker 3: And no, huh, So I don't know what that was
not yet.
Speaker 2: You never know. Might have been a jack a little
back there.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's possible.
Speaker 2: You never know. It's hard to say. Looks like space
Jerk thirty five wants to know, Hey, Vic Hi, Harlan, Harlan,
did you ever find any footprints? Thanks?
Speaker 1: No, nope, no nothing, nope, no foot pinch, nothing like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, with it being on the road like that, I
didn't think you would have found any. It looks like
Scott Baker wants to know what was it? Stride measurement.
Speaker 1: Oh, let's see here. Okay, so the animal was probably
about six foot long five see here about five five five,
probably have five foot long and then about four and
a half of the height stride would have been let's
see here, twenty like what probably about twenty four inches?
I think, well, we'll see here.
Speaker 3: No, probably twenty I'd say about twenty inches.
Speaker 1: I mean it was you know for the legs that
I mean, it has some long legs on it. So
however that would you know, factor in but you know,
I didn't really I didn't have a yardstick at the time,
so I didn't really sit down and figure it out.
You know.
Speaker 3: It's you know, it didn't it didn't walk lanky, you.
Speaker 1: Know, like like so I don't know. I'd really have to,
you know, say no, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Well, you can't be faulted for that. I mean, everything
that was going through your head all these times that
you saw it. Yeah, I'm sure trying to figure out
what its stride length was was really far down on
the list. So it's a good question. But I don't
blame you really knowing, I really don't. I'm going to
ask you one more question. This is a good question
from the Loomi in one oh one. He wants to know,
do you know if the location was near any tribal
land Northern Colorado was traditional Second D's tribe territory.
Speaker 1: That I mean, I will have to, you know, play
Kerans on that, because it's it's I don't I grew
up in the area. You know, It's like, this was
only like twelve miles I think from where I literally
drew up. So the Namaqua Indian were prevalent in the area.
You know pre you know, pre White. Uh, that's the
only tribe that I know of was in Namaqua. But
I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's a very good question.
Speaker 1: I mean it's like, you know, i'd actually want to
like sit down and you like check this out now
and you know and see. But it's it's very possible,
very possible. I mean, you know, it's like you know this,
I don't know who was there before us, you know,
but it's just a very good question. I want to
check it out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is a really good question. That just might
be the question of the night. It's hard to say. Well,
it's about time for us to get that if you're
a harlem. But before we do, you do you have
any clothing comments you want to put out there for us.
Speaker 1: Expect the unexpected. All I can say, and keep your
mind open, you know, and just you know, sit there,
I mean, and be alert. But you know, don't you know,
don't live in fear you know, or you know, or
be be fearful you know of things that you know
you really don't know too much of. But no, I
mean it's you know, just yeah, live your life. You know,
if you see something, just go on from it. You shitting,
you know, ruminate about it.
Speaker 2: That's always good advice. Easier said than done, but that
is always good advice. But having said that, I can't
thank you enough for coming on and sharing the details
of all these experiences with this. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Now, Thank you Vic for having his forum, and thank
you everyone for actually asking the questions. And this was
this was fun. I enjoyed it very much and I'm
happy that I could, like, you know, you know, finally,
like you know, tell my secret.
Speaker 3: You know, it's for you stuff out there.
Speaker 1: So yeahs like just you know, pay attention to the sky,
I mean, wise man always, you know, look at the sky,
you know. So that's that's all I can say, is like,
you know, just people look up, you know, just check
it out. Check out the stars for once if you can.
You know, if you're in an area where you can.
It's just it's beautiful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you do that, you'll be surprised with what
you see quite possibly. Like I said, thanks against so
much of your time, Harlin, and have a great night.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Thanks, We'll see all right. That's a wrap for another one,
another one in the books. In case you didn't know it,
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