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in former BYU Great. We got the six foot three,
two hundred and thirty five pound linebacker our Salt Lake
City Olympus High School where he bowled out on the
rugby pitch as well. Let's welcome in my guy, Ben
Bywater to the show. What's up Ben Ben?
Speaker 4: What's up? Man? How are you?
Speaker 1: I'm living the dream baby, feeling good? Uh and uh yeah, man,
all is well in my life. Feel grateful and happy.
We're in spring right and we're getting more sun, getting
the vitamin D. I know you're an outdoors man. I
know you like to get out and about and do
crazy things, whether it's on the motorcycle or just maybe
hiking a mountain or hunting, doing crazy stuff.
Speaker 3: So I'm sure you're grateful right now.
Speaker 4: Man, I've got my tarp off.
Speaker 5: I'm just catching some rays right now on the work
from home schedule.
Speaker 4: So it couldn't have fit better.
Speaker 3: Love it, man, Well, give us a little update.
Speaker 1: Where you working, what are you doing, Give us a
update on work, and then we'll talk family.
Speaker 4: Absolutely so doing a few different things.
Speaker 5: But I am working for the Miller Group, So Larry H.
Speaker 4: Miller Company.
Speaker 5: You guys probably obviously if you're listening to this, you
probably know them as the group that had the automotive dealerships.
They divested all of those back in twenty twenty one. Obviously,
they own the Jazz and then sold that to Ryan
Smiths Crew. But now it's a family office. They're doing
a bunch of cool things that I am on the
sports and entertainment side, so we're trying to bring MLB
team to Utah, so that's kind of like all hands
on deck there. But they obviously own the Salt Lake Bees.
They just bought into RSL Real Salt Lake and then
the Megaplex theater chain.
Speaker 4: So it's fun.
Speaker 5: I mean, we've got my hands in a bunch of
different pots, and I'm doing FP and A form so
it's financial ops.
Speaker 4: So it's been it's been great. I'm doing that and
then what I also help.
Speaker 5: Out with the family office called Watersome Capital, where it's
real estate private credit, so it's all you know, collateralized loans,
short term bridge financing, lending on all different sorts of projects.
But that's been awesome as well. So it's picking up
right now this time of year. So doing that and
I'm enjoying both of them.
Speaker 4: I'm happy. I'm healthy and training for a marathon.
Speaker 5: So that's been a grind a lot of eighteen miles
this morning, sous man, I mean, did these marathons. These
marathoners are no joke. I got such respect for these people.
So I'm trying to move my two hundred and twenty
pound body around.
Speaker 4: It's not easy, but we are getting it done.
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't don't you know that like fast twitch athletes
should not do slow twitch sports like you you're Yeah,
I mean, look, I love it that you're doing it.
Your challenge is up. But like I'm I'm dangerous over
short distances, not long distances.
Speaker 5: I mean, I know I've heard that, and I just
don't know if I'm a quick twitch athlete anymore. Sadly,
so I'm morphed into the the software. So it's been good.
But uh yeah it's just for the mind too, So
it's been great. But yeah, life is life is awesome.
Speaker 1: How's the body feeling. I know you had the shoulder injury.
Is that coming back? Do you feel like you're getting
back up to the one hundred percent yet with the shoulder.
Speaker 5: It's interesting because my obviously I had nerve damage and
the motor control in my deltoid is fine, like I
can move my arm, but my frontal delt it's still
it looks I mean, it's just skin and bone. It's
like it's like a did it. It's real fun. It
looks weird, but I can still golf. I can do everything.
Uh yeah, I mean it hasn't come back full health,
but I can. All my day to day functions are fine.
But you know, sadly, like playing football was. It was
over for me when that happened, unfortunately. But I'm feeling
I'm feeling good. Thanks for asking.
Speaker 1: I mean, well, did did the doctor little did that
nerve will ever regenerate? Can the milin sheet effort's been
stretched out for that one kind of like that muscular
you know, nerve ina innervation does that.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So actually I'll tell you a quick story. When I
was coming back. So twenty twenty three was my senior year.
I got hurt Game four versus Kansas, and then I
was trying to make it back for twenty twenty four
and I thought it was just a routine shoulder tear.
Uh it was my labrum, and so I went out
had doctor elatrosh in LA's the RAMS team doctor. You know.
He patched me up, he put the anchors in, got
my labor and put together. But after a week, like
we went and did some checkup calls and he's like, hey,
something's not right with your shoulder.
Speaker 4: Like you should go see my buddy at the USC
catch School of Medicine.
Speaker 5: So I went over there and it's this guy from Slovenia,
I mean, really smart, really good guy. If nerve damage
is like people don't have doctors, don't have nerve damage
doctors just like in their phone, Like it was hard
to get a hold of somebody. But he went in,
sliced me up and pulled out the nerve and then
tried like jumping it, you know, like the ready clear,
you know, and the wake that nerve back up. And
I woke up from surgery, and I'll always remember, in
like broken English, she's just like, hey, if this doesn't
wake up by.
Speaker 4: July, it probably never will.
Speaker 5: And I was like, geez, I mean this was this
was obviously I kept the hush because I was trying
to make it back. And we did everything we could.
We did everything we could to get it back rock
and rolling, and it was all hands on deck. But
and it's come back a lot more so, yes, it well,
if it did wake up, but the nerve wraps from
your back to your like around your shoulder to the
front kind of where your peck is at right, So
my dell is almost one hundred percent and then my
lateral DELL is about seventy. But my frontal dell isn't
getting that reinnervation like you're saying, but the other two
parts of my deltoid have, So I think just with time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's it's very you know.
Speaker 5: I went, I was back and forth in the Mayo
Clinic in Minnesota, and they were really happy with my progress.
So I think it's probably plateauing, but I'm I'm still
working it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was.
Speaker 1: I was actually having a conversation about like milind sheath
and like nerve health with with one of my employees
actually earlier this week, and I was like, well, we
were asking we were talking about the composition of like
the milin sheath like from like a if you were
to kind of like dissect it into what its structure is,
and it's like fatty lipids and proteins and stuff. That
I was like, I wonder how much nutrition can nutrition
play a role in, you know, nerve regeneration, Like how
much does it? Because like what else can It's not
it it's like you know what I mean, it's like
a power chord.
Speaker 3: It's not like there's blood supply to it.
Speaker 1: So anyway, I we'll have to get off air as
we're talking nerdy here, like if it's fall asleep as
we're talking about.
Speaker 3: So where's that like? Trying to figure out anterior around
the back right here?
Speaker 4: I'm like, all right, man.
Speaker 3: I got to schedule in some more delt work.
Speaker 6: Ronald's well no, I'm like, all right, but you have
to touch what it is because I was like I
was a drap damage.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: You got married recently, Ben, How's how's married life?
Speaker 4: Very life is awesome.
Speaker 5: My wife is a rock star, so she makes my
life easy and it's been great. Married life is It's
definitely different right from wheeling and dealing to college, but
it's so much better.
Speaker 4: Like I I've loved it.
Speaker 5: We're living in Salt Lake and so yeah, it's just
it's good having your person. She's, you know, in my corner,
supports me. So I'm blasted. Man, it's been awesome. Awesome man. Well, congratulations,
happy for you.
Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 3: Springball.
Speaker 1: What do you miss about springball? And what don't you
miss about springball?
Speaker 4: Then? I miss nothing about springball? I miss zero, I
miss I miss springball.
Speaker 5: Ending it's a man springball is a grind, and fortunately
for me, I was dealing with so many shoulder bugs
in the off season.
Speaker 4: I only had to do like one or two real,
real spring.
Speaker 5: Balls, but I mean that was enough. I still got.
I still wake up in cold sweats thinking about those days.
Just I mean, I shout out.
Speaker 4: To these guys. They work their tails off. It's hard.
It's hard. I mean, if.
Speaker 5: You've never been through a spring ball, it's like fall camp,
but more physical. I mean it's there's no game, so
it's they're trying. I don't know how it is now,
but when I was there, it was full pads three
times a week and you're just you're just hating Yeah,
full contact.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like that was more like Klanni led,
like Ed Lamb led. I don't know if you got
to experience a springball with Jay Hill when he was
associate head coach, but you were, I think you were
kind of around, But like where did you feel that
like it was a guy of being pushed from you
can do you get a feel for it a vibe
for Yeah, I was.
Speaker 4: There for both.
Speaker 5: With Kilannie, what happened was a lot of the older
classmen were injured, so I was the one that was
just taking on all the reps and it was real
physical in my opinion, because I was obviously competing and we.
Speaker 4: Had some new transfers coming in and everyone was trying
to prove themselves. So it came from Kilani.
Speaker 5: I would say he was set in the tone and
this was twenty twenty two, right, But then when Jay
came in, I was hurt. But I mean we know
how Jay ran practices. It was yeah, I mean it
was no joke. I mean Jay did a great job too.
So two different cultures but both are awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt about it. Uh, look, who are you
excited about this year? What do you know about this
This BAU football team in twenty twenty six, they're coming
off of They're coming off of two consecutive double digit
win seasons.
Speaker 3: They go eleven and two, twelve and two.
Speaker 1: Pretty pretty awesome, you know, to have that the power
for conference expectations were high, like sixty nine percent of
the returning production you know, comes back, which is awesome.
High expectations. What do you know about this team?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I mean if you would have asked me, I thought
we were going to be terrible last year. Having you
know Jake Leaving and Bear, and I knew nothing about Bear,
so who knows that my opinion might not be worth much.
But I if you would have told me we'd have won,
you know, ten eleven twelve games last year, I would
have I would have laughed.
Speaker 4: But what I know about this.
Speaker 5: Year is from just what I've seen on socials and
kind of like just putting my ear to the ground
is our transfer portal. We crushed it, Like Kadu Luaive
looks great. I know Jake Clifton's you know doing as
far as backers, those guys you like, Studds obviously led
by Isaiah Glasker, who is an All American type player
in my opinion, will be the first one through three
rounder next year.
Speaker 4: And then I feel like on offense we got some
nice tight ends. I think with LJ.
Speaker 5: Will probably run a bunch of twelve personnel, and Bear,
I'm sure, with a year of experience under his belt,
will loosen it up and throw it downfield. But that
Kyler Jasper kid looks like an athlete. I'm like, yeah,
I would have loved to play with him.
Speaker 4: He looks good. He looks really good.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I mean I think the personnel wise, I
think we're there, We got all the pieces. I think
our offensive line has not taken a step. I mean
they've obviously matured and done well. They did enough last
year for us to crush it. So I'm excited for them.
And K Pop's going to do a great job. So
I'm a big fan of K pop. I'm I'm sure
a bunch of people listening have reservations. Don't know if
he's going to be j Hill, but K Pop's got
all the intensity that Jay had, and he's come from
some a unique coaching tree and he's learned a bunch
from Jay, learned a bunch from Bronco obviously Kilane, but yeah,
he's a he'll do a great job. So that's my
that's my take on the twenty twenty six Cougars.
Speaker 3: Yeah like that, you know, going off of K Pop.
Speaker 1: Obviously I played with him, so I have my my
internal you know, friendship bias. But when I was asked this,
I said, look like, if you're looking for like as
close to Jay Hill as you because everyone loves Jay, right,
it's like a JJJJ this Jay, and he deserves a
ton of credit for what the body defense was but
there you know, there's a great supporting cast around him,
coaching staff wise and also personnel wise. But I said,
if you want to get as close to Jay as possible,
it's K Pop. I don't know anybody else out there
in the market that is a player's coach, that is,
you know, high intensity on the accountability side of things
as well. But like he coaches you up well with
that intensity and accountability, but you still like him after
it all, Like you see where it comes from. And
he's got great schinatic background too.
Speaker 4: Him.
Speaker 1: He's been doing this, you know, seventeen eighteen years between
Bronco Kalani J. Gary's there still I was like, I
thought that was the best hire. Would you kind of
agree with that assessment of personality.
Speaker 5: I would yes, when when he he was always my
dark horse in the race when they were looking for
you see, I think, uh, K Pop has a great
emotional intelligence. Like you said, he's gonna hold people accountable,
but he's you like him, like you like playing for him.
He's a good dude, and I don't think he lets
you know, his friendship get the way of coaching. He'll
hold guys accountable, but it comes from a place of love.
Like you said, so he's a guy that I thought
it was a home run higher and there was no question.
I thought, you know, the defense has been crushed in
the past few years. Let's don't don't change it too much,
like let's not go external and change the whole whoop
do whoop. So I thought, uh, K Pop was a
was a great hire, and I'm excited to see what
he did. He I mean he turned around. People don't
understand he turned around the whole special teams unit. Yeah,
we hadn't had like a kickoff return for a touchdown
since twenty fourteen, and that's why they was there at
BYU exactly. And he came back and obviously Keelan and
Parker that I mean, we had amazing special teams going
in these past two years and so so important.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I got no, I got no doubts about
K pop.
Speaker 6: You have a ten year drought. It was the last
doctor he's he's he loves Yeah, he's a doctor. He's
a doctor of dental science or I can't yeah, something
like that.
Speaker 4: That's awesome.
Speaker 6: Big question for you. You didn't play this year and it
was your red shirt year, so I don't count that.
So in my book, you know, you're undefeated against Utah.
How does it feel to be undefeated against uh those guys?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 5: I mean being a Salt Laker. There's nothing better. It's
it's amazing. It's like I can walk around head held high.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: It's they like to they like to chirp up here.
It's it's being and I'm living up here in Salt Lake.
They like to chirp. They like to talk about the
private equity money. But it doesn't erase the fact that
you know what the scoreboard has been the past few years.
So man, it's hard to complain when you're two and
over to Utah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, indeed undefeated. Hay, the Bends are undefeated against Utah.
Because I'm also a defeated I'm to baby. Well, so
we're four together, baby, but what that means they're six
and oh oh yeah, because you.
Speaker 7: Made sure of it. Those only games I played, well,
I played trash the game. But I'll take it in
my bad. It's doctor of dental surgery. That's what I shouldn't.
I should have known that Adam he and a doctor
of dental surgery. Shout out to Adam hene One of
the better, uh kick returners. You gotta get on history, Yes,
oh yeah, we gotta get Adam on, no doubt about it.
Ben Always, I always appreciate our time, man. I can't
wait to see what this Billie, you Cougar football team
can do. Love that you said, like, I don't.
Speaker 3: Miss anything about springball.
Speaker 1: You wonder It does seem though, like with depth, like
when they have depth, there may not be as much
of a need to maybe go as ferociously live, Like
I don't know if they've had any like true live segments.
I think they've gone everything the thud, which just pros
and cons right to me, as long as you're doing
per suit to thud and you're in good position coming
inside out. What I didn't like in the in the
ed Lamb era was like I felt like the tag
off like a lot of these guys were never in
position to even make the tackle. They just kind of
run by the I'm like, you missed that tackle, bro. Like, So,
I think there has to be accountability if you're if
you're gonna go to thud and you're not gonna go live,
then your pursuits better be on point with your angles
and you better be in a position to make the
tackle in a true tag off thud situation.
Speaker 5: Does that make sense? No, that makes sense. No, it's
one hundred percent practice. How you play, you gotta be
in a position to actually make a tackle.
Speaker 4: The tag off is it can be wishy washy. So
I'm I'm I'm with you there.
Speaker 1: Not only that, the offensive guys when you do the
tag off, they always like, oh, you didn't touch me.
Speaker 3: The house. Everything to the house. Everything's to the house. Like, dude,
I tagged off.
Speaker 6: Like what you're talking about the house? Smile Tommy, I
tagged you. Yes you did, so you didn't touch me.
It's just like, oh, then go and look. It prepares
for the game. It prepares for the game. Guys don't
actually get to the house, you know when they get
to the house.
Speaker 4: But don't even get me started on that. It's yeah.
Speaker 1: Now you mentioned Kyler Casper. He's nice, like he's finally healthy. Right,
you have a couple of organ transfer and Roger Sally
Apaga number two at the tight ends spot, and then
Kyler Casper. Both those guys are going to be heavily involved.
I think in the receiving game. Roger reminds me of
like a bigger uh Neil. Honestly from that that slot
flex wye Yeah, just Neil Neil was I mean he
was awesome. Yeah yeah, but yeah Rogers.
Speaker 3: Really he can separate. That's the thing.
Speaker 1: Like he can separate through speed, end, quickness, and physicality
all three.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm excited about him. Yeah, my little brother who's
committed to you. He's hot on Roger. I think he
I mean his high school tape because I knew he
tore up his knee a little bit of that organ.
But he's my little brother, says Rogers. High school tape
is pretty pretty crazy.
Speaker 1: Is there a possibility that Adam is better than Ben here?
Speaker 4: I know it's coming, dude, don't mind.
Speaker 5: I mean, honestly, I'm I'm high. I'm so hyphed for him.
He crushed it this year. If you haven't watched Adams huddle,
go watch it. He had an amazing year. So I'm
really excited for him. I mean, it's hard right being
my little brother. It's like there's definitely a lot right
on his shoulders. You're going to live up to it,
and he has. And he's a big boy.
Speaker 4: I mean, he's he reminds me a.
Speaker 5: Little bit of a lander Barton type build. He's six
y four, he's every bit of six four. I give
him a little a little bit over six four. Anybody's
two twenty now, and he's smooth. And I think with
the strength conditioning program that b what you have, which
is top notch s here, I think Adam could be
the Skuy's the lemma for that kid. Just all about
saying healthy, right, it's time, luck and opportunities so he
can do those things.
Speaker 4: He's a smart kid.
Speaker 5: He's a yes or noteser, get it done, take accountability,
and work his tail off. So I don't see any
reason why he won't be better than me. And he's
learned from my mistakes. You guys know, it took me
a little bit to figure it out, but once it did,
it clicked. So I think I'm really excited for him.
He's going to Chile on his mission, so yeah, he'll
be back. I'm sure he'll be back a little early,
probably spring ball of twenty eight around there, and we'll
be rolling. So I'm really happy for him. So yeah,
if you're a BAU fan, you got a lot to
look forward to an Adam because he's a sub that's
pretty quick goes to Chile.
Speaker 3: You went to Guatemala? Where did Where did Dad go?
Where did Papa.
Speaker 4: Pops went to Dallas, Texas?
Speaker 3: Was it Spanish speaking or was it English speaking?
Speaker 5: It was a Cambodian speaking believe or not. That's crazy, Yeah,
lots of I think there was a bunch of refugees
that he taught. Wow, so he only had there was
only like six elders that he would rotate companions. So
for the full two years, right, he just rotated between
six elders that spoke Cambodi. So it's funny that honestly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it depends totally. I had great companions. I got lucky. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm happy for Adam.
Speaker 4: He's good.
Speaker 1: When does he uh, when does he go into the
EMPTC or when does he leave?
Speaker 5: Yeah, he leaves early June and then it's at home
EMPTC a little bit and then he'll be off to Chile.
Speaker 4: I think early July. Son.
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Speaker 4: Actually he did. He was he looked, he was suited
and booted. I was.
Speaker 5: I was happy for him. He looked good. So I
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Ben Bywater Ladies and gentlemen, always a pleasure, always a
blessing talking ball with you. Thanks for hopping off, for
keeping up with the cougar segment, uh Ben. And anyway
we can suport you. Let us know for our listeners,
anyway they can support you out there and your nation.
Speaker 4: Man, I'm just I'm in the alumni.
Speaker 5: Game next week, so just take it easy on me
if I get my ankles broken.
Speaker 4: It's been a minute. I so just have a little
patient with me. Are you going to play.
Speaker 3: The first few years?
Speaker 1: You know? And I was, and hey I we won
a lot of games, and you know I was d C.
You know, d C, and up we're slowing things down.
My biggest my biggest mistake like this is this is
where like my empathy and my love for my my
fellow men kind of gets in the way of my
coaching and my strategy final drive right, I'm DC. And
there were some guys that it was their turn to go, right,
it was their turn to go and I didn't put
out my best, my best seven. I didn't put out
my best at it. I said, okay, I'll let you
do it. I guess who got beat? The guys some
of the back end guys that I shouldn't have had
in the game. I should have had certain guys that
I knew were going to go make plays and execute
the scheme. And I tell you what, first play of
that game, it was that same guy that messed up
and I and I just I was I'm too kind
in my old age to christ Like in my old age,
I've learned too much and I don't have that competitive fire.
I don't have that dog in me anymore. And that's
why I lost. That's why I lost the Bishop. Yep,
that's why I lost.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 3: So so I'm for the time being.
Speaker 4: Oh no, it's a I will say it's a young cast.
Speaker 5: Right now. I was looking at the roster. I'm like,
there's some young boy.
Speaker 4: Oh my goodness, Yes, I love it. I love it.
Speaker 5: Heapo still house burners, So geez, goodness playing it.
Speaker 4: The next thing, Yeah.
Speaker 5: I got I gotta go hit the field a little bit.
It's get my back pedals rolling. So ye guys, Yeah,
that's just the goal is no injuries. That's h I
got a nine to five.
Speaker 6: I need a new Mexico though, I need a new
Mexico ball all over it.
Speaker 4: That was that was the we were in the box,
I might need to We.
Speaker 6: Saw that play developer like, this is going to be
a screen pass, like the one.
Speaker 4: Media play that we can actually like develop.
Speaker 3: Out of the fire five hundred that you guys had.
I think I was high stepping with you.
Speaker 4: Was so excited.
Speaker 3: Was exciting, well, like that's gonna be a screenplay.
Speaker 7: And then you came through and I mean I remember
asking you about in the post game and it just man,
the way it just developed. And then you ran and
then I was like, oh man, he's fast, and I thought,
I was like, what's that for.
Speaker 5: I had a little get up, I was, I had
a little I had a little a little horse.
Speaker 4: To me, I was a little get up. So I
was that's I mean, that's my greatest play of all time.
Speaker 5: I love I'll go back and watch that when i've
had a bad day, just you know, cansole me a
little bit. That was awesome. So I appreciate you guys
gouts me up there. You might have to whip that.
I might have to whip that one out next Rida.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, get juiced.
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny because you know, pro day just
happeneding you didn't get to showcase your athleticism. I thought
you could have actually done really well in your pro day.
I was actually looking at NFL draft scout. They had
projected from like your film that you were between a
four five three and a four six two is where they.
Speaker 4: Projected you on the forty black A four to five
on the pick six. I think, I think that's spot on.
Speaker 5: I really think depending on the training and how well
it went my health, I think I could have run
anywhere from the four five to low four to six.
Speaker 4: So yeah, yes, indeed, I guess we'll never know.
Speaker 3: It's all right.
Speaker 1: Hey, maybe once that that that that reinnervation occurs, right,
and then we can get it all dialed in, we
can get all the new all here. You can just
come back for the proday. Killani, let me do my
pro da. I still got this. You know you may
make because how old are you right now? How old
are you? Twenty five?
Speaker 3: Twenty six?
Speaker 1: I just turned twenty seven, all right, come back an
you're twenty eight.
Speaker 3: Hey, well I'm just coming back just for I think
actually now they right, yeah.
Speaker 1: Just to say, hey, I ran a four five four
six low for you know what I mean? It would
be it'd be fantastic. All right, Ben, We'll let you go, man.
Much love to you and your family. Thanks for hopping
on brother.
Speaker 4: Much love you guys. Appreciate you for having me on.
And we'll see you soon. All right.
Speaker 3: I talk to you soon man.
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