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Speaker 3: read what aw R. Hawkins writes about the Second Women.
Speaker 3: He's a Second Amomen expert. Welcome back to the Morning show,
Speaker 3: A W. R. Hawkins. It's always great speaking with you, sir,
Speaker 3: Hi Brian, great being with you, buddy. And I think
Speaker 3: I know the quick answer to the question, what's the
Speaker 3: Harris Waltz administration position on the Second Amendment? They would
Speaker 3: like to eradicate it. I think boiled down if they
Speaker 3: were given their wishes and their hopes and their dreams
Speaker 3: and actually said it out loud, they just take it
Speaker 3: away from us.
Speaker 1: Your take, well, yeah, I can't argue with your take.
Speaker 2: They want to be as anti gun as Biden has been.
Speaker 2: So basically we had Biden Harris anti gun, and now
Speaker 2: they want to do Harris Waltz anti gun two point
Speaker 2: zero and there's no difference. All the same gun controls
Speaker 2: and all the same ignorance of how gun loss work well.
Speaker 3: And thankfully we do have the Heward decision and the
Speaker 3: Brewin decision, a lot of other decisions that conclude as
Speaker 3: you and I both have under always understood it to be,
Speaker 3: the second moment is an individual right. You and I,
Speaker 3: in the state of nature have a right to defend
Speaker 3: ourselves with whatever means is necessary. The founding fathers knew this,
Speaker 3: and they put in an Act of the Second Amendment.
Speaker 3: Think about that. Right after number one comes the right
Speaker 3: to keeping bear arms. Obviously, that right to keeping bear
Speaker 3: arms was what allowed us to liberate ourselves from British oppression.
Speaker 3: They knew it, and they wanted to make sure the
Speaker 3: government couldn't take them away like the British were doing.
Speaker 1: The American column right, No, you're exactly right.
Speaker 2: You're exactly right, And an important point made with somebody yesterday.
Speaker 2: You know, not only did they protect the right for
Speaker 2: them to own arms. But the arms they owned were
Speaker 2: very much like the arms at the military owned. When
Speaker 2: the Redcoats and they did and they had their muskets,
Speaker 2: they were met with muskets very much like their own.
Speaker 1: And that's a fact.
Speaker 2: Of course the left doesn't want included in elementary school,
Speaker 2: high school, and college curriculum.
Speaker 1: But there wasn't a large gap.
Speaker 2: Between the average citizen and the standing army as far
Speaker 2: as equipment went. And so I think that's important too.
Speaker 2: Not only did our framers hedge in gun rights, but
Speaker 2: they hedged in gun rights with the intention. You can
Speaker 2: read Fairless forty six and know it. They hedged in
Speaker 2: gun rights with the intention that even the standing army
Speaker 2: couldn't overrun the people because the people would be armed
Speaker 2: and they would be equipped well.
Speaker 3: And I know she was in her capacity as the
Speaker 3: district attorney at San Francisco, she endorsed it. Amikas Carey
Speaker 3: Breathe in that Heller case, which established the right the
Speaker 3: individual right to keep them bear arms, she claimed that
Speaker 3: it only provides a militia related right to bear arms.
Speaker 3: I think that fails to appreciate history. Aw are because
Speaker 3: local militias that'd be just like folks in your neighborhood.
Speaker 3: We'd get together and form little units that would defend
Speaker 3: and protect themselves. We didn't have standing armies, we didn't
Speaker 3: have organized sheriff's departments. And these are the early era
Speaker 3: of our country. It was up to an individual to
Speaker 3: defend himself. And sometimes you got together with the rest
Speaker 3: of the folks in the neighborhood and next thing you know,
Speaker 3: those militias are actually fighting the British right.
Speaker 2: You know you're right and beyond that, but you're right.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying you're wrong. Here, I'm saying you're right.
Speaker 2: And here's something else that's right. Not only did that happen,
Speaker 2: but if you look at James Madison, he clearly anticipated
Speaker 2: that the people would come together in militia to spend
Speaker 2: off the federal government at some point. He anticipated that
Speaker 2: they could do that, that if they came together, even
Speaker 2: a standing army could not defeat them, because they would
Speaker 2: be armed.
Speaker 1: Again. Federalists forty six or you one hundred sent right.
Speaker 2: This militia is part of American history, and it's also
Speaker 2: part of what our founders anticipated would be occurring in
Speaker 2: the future as America progressed.
Speaker 3: Well, isn't it an interesting observation, elwr when you hear
Speaker 3: someone like Joe Biden say there's no way, you know
Speaker 3: you can you can shoot down in F sixteen with
Speaker 3: your with your AK forty seven or AR fifteen. I
Speaker 3: think it wasn't the afghanistanis that pretty much held us
Speaker 3: at bay for twenty years until we finally pulled out,
Speaker 3: And all they were armed with was a bunch of
Speaker 3: AK forty sevens and whatever they could scrounge up by
Speaker 3: way of donations from foreign countries.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, you're not wrong. I'll tell you this though.
Speaker 2: But this makes the point though that we were making earlier.
Speaker 2: When we begin to speak there is the left wants
Speaker 2: to take away my AR fifteens because they're weapons of war.
Speaker 2: You don't leave weapons of war. Well, they're not weapons
Speaker 2: of war. There's some automatic twenty two rifles. And when
Speaker 2: you start thinking about F fifteens and other things, then
Speaker 2: you really appreciate the gap between the military and the people.
Speaker 1: As I say, at our.
Speaker 2: Founding, there was no gap the there was no gap
Speaker 2: between the equipment the military used and the equipment the
Speaker 2: people used. Now there is such a gap that Biden
Speaker 2: can make those threats, and I don't think our founders
Speaker 2: would have ever tolerated this gap developing. I really don't.
Speaker 2: People ask me all the time, should you be able
Speaker 2: to own a nuclear weapon?
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's practical because I don't know how
Speaker 2: you would store the components. But as far as I've
Speaker 2: said all the time, you know you give me right
Speaker 2: now where I sit, literally within arms reach, there is
Speaker 2: say three hundred blackout on an AR fifteen frames suppressed.
Speaker 2: I would be no more dangerous if that were fully
Speaker 2: automatic in hint and had a flamethrower on it, I
Speaker 2: would be no more dangerous Because I'm a law bided citizen.
Speaker 2: So I don't really think of what weapons I shouldn't
Speaker 2: be able to own, because no matter what I owned,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to be a danger to my fellow citizens,
Speaker 2: except for those who decide to break into my home
Speaker 2: or try to do harm to myself or my family
Speaker 2: during the day.
Speaker 1: I am a danger to those people.
Speaker 3: Well, in which case you are obviously entitled to defend yourself.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you have a castle doctor where
Speaker 3: you live, but we certainly have it here in Ohio.
Speaker 3: You are presumed that that person who has entered your
Speaker 3: home unlawfully and without permission is there to do you
Speaker 3: grievous bodily harm, and you can use deadly force for
Speaker 3: anybody that breaks in your home. That's a warning to
Speaker 3: all would be criminals. Yes, we out here in the
Speaker 3: general public own five hundred million firearms, and the vast
Speaker 3: majority of us are law abiding, because if we weren't,
Speaker 3: there would be a literal day to day bloodmath in
Speaker 3: the street every day.
Speaker 1: Right, I'm just I'm just telling you, Brian, you you
Speaker 1: almost broke.
Speaker 2: My heart there. You said five hundred million, And I
Speaker 2: know you're right. I'm not arguing with you, but can't
Speaker 2: we do better than that? I mean really, I was
Speaker 2: so excited for this interview and then you said that.
Speaker 1: And I went, wow, what a dawn? Five million? Can't
Speaker 1: we do better than that?
Speaker 3: Well, a three hundred and forty or so million live
Speaker 3: human beings, Some of them are not eligible to on
Speaker 3: a fire because of their age, you know, kids, but adults.
Speaker 3: I agree, everybody should have one. It's the ultimate equalizer.
Speaker 3: In fact, there was I'm sure you've heard the stories
Speaker 3: about Springfield, Ohio, overrun with twenty thousand Haitian immigrants over
Speaker 3: the past four years. There was a woman who was
Speaker 3: testifying before one of their hearings on it, and she
Speaker 3: pointed out, she goes, I'm afraid they have threatened me.
Speaker 3: I'm a ninety six pound woman. How could I possibly
Speaker 3: defend myself? My response is, get yourself a gun.
Speaker 2: Right, that's it, you know, that's what you do. You
Speaker 2: get a nine millimeter and if she's that small, maybe
Speaker 2: she wants a three eighty, but get get either one.
Speaker 2: Get acquainted with it and understand. You know, our founders
Speaker 2: understood our greatest property, no matter how much you saved
Speaker 2: in your four oh one k or in your IRA
Speaker 2: or whatever, your greatest property remains your life. And our
Speaker 2: founders understood that law should law should center on our
Speaker 2: ability to defend that life. And people have to under
Speaker 2: we have to get back to that understanding. And that's
Speaker 2: why you carry a gun. You don't carry a gun
Speaker 2: because you love guns, although you may, You carry a
Speaker 2: gun because you have to defend that chief property and
Speaker 2: that's your life.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the life of my wife and children as well.
Speaker 3: That's important to me as well. And you know the
Speaker 3: other component of this, and I'll look at the heller
Speaker 3: K's and the Brewined decision. Those are going to be
Speaker 3: the targets of the left now, much in the same
Speaker 3: way Roe v. Wade was a target of the right
Speaker 3: for decades. They're going to do everything they can to
Speaker 3: overturn that and to remove our right, are our individual
Speaker 3: constitutional right to keep them bare arms. And Kamala Harris
Speaker 3: has set it out loud on a bunch of times.
Speaker 3: She does embrace the idea to packing the Supreme Court
Speaker 3: so they can get what they want by appointing a
Speaker 3: bunch of liberal justices to undo what we already have
Speaker 3: a right.
Speaker 2: And anybody who doubts what you just said has not
Speaker 2: been paying attention because heller Who's decided in two thousand
Speaker 2: and eight, from the moment it was decided, even until
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, if you read leftist commentators, they will
Speaker 2: say the Supreme Court created, yeah, an individual right in
Speaker 2: two thousand and eight, and that does exactly what you're saying.
Speaker 2: That sets up a liberal court to flip that decision,
Speaker 2: saying that decision went too far, that decision created or right.
Speaker 2: That's all they're doing is they're laying seed for harvest
Speaker 2: down the road. And so anyone who anyone who's listening
Speaker 2: to what you're saying, doesn't believe it, they're crazy to
Speaker 2: the left. They can't wait to get control and get
Speaker 2: that court back under their control. And to me, that's
Speaker 2: another reason why Trump has to win. We need more
Speaker 2: jurists who are pro constitution not less.
Speaker 1: Amen to that, aw R. Hawkins. She also.
Speaker 3: Advocated for at least when the five seconds she was
Speaker 3: actually running for president until she realized that there wasn't
Speaker 3: a single Democrat who was going to vote for and
Speaker 3: then dropped out. But it was twenty nineteen. She endorsed
Speaker 3: the idea of a buyback program for basically all semi
Speaker 3: automatic weapons. So that's another sort of solution that she
Speaker 3: believes is going to actually work. Seriously, AWR, wouldn't that
Speaker 3: not turn into you and I and the rest of
Speaker 3: the law currently law binding firearms owners into a bunch
Speaker 3: of felons because folks like you and I probably wouldn't comply.
Speaker 1: Right, But I would also get money for nice dinner.
Speaker 2: Because I would sell them a rusted out a gun
Speaker 2: for three hundred bucks. But yeah, I like like I think,
Speaker 2: I tweeted last week dear Democrats, I didn't buy my
Speaker 2: guns from you, so you can't.
Speaker 1: I'm back, and that's it. I'm done. That's the end
Speaker 1: of my argument. I'm done, you know. And it is.
Speaker 2: Such a farce to believe these Stebens would give you
Speaker 2: the value.
Speaker 1: Of your gun.
Speaker 2: Plus, it's such a farce to believe that, having taken
Speaker 2: your guns, they would actually protect you. Plus it's such
Speaker 2: a break from our founders to believe that I would
Speaker 2: actually rely on an agent of the state to keep
Speaker 2: me safe. Part of that Jeffersonian dream is that individual life,
Speaker 2: that life full of individuality, where we protect ourselves and
Speaker 2: our own That was Jefferson's dream for the American people.
Speaker 2: I will not lean on government for protection. I bore
Speaker 2: that idea. I keep a gun on my hip, I
Speaker 2: keep a rifle on my truck, and I can take
Speaker 2: care of myself. So that's how we'll do that. Heymen,
Speaker 2: that's kind of feeling.
Speaker 3: I have a w R and I actually had to
Speaker 3: pull my own handgun out in self defense. I had
Speaker 3: a guy that tried to kill me on the expressway
Speaker 3: by ramming me and trying to run me off the road,
Speaker 3: and I really was in fear for my life. And
Speaker 3: when I got out of my car because it became disabled,
Speaker 3: that's the first thing I had in my hands was
Speaker 3: my gun. I got the car out and just looked
Speaker 3: very carefully at where I was and where he was
Speaker 3: relative to me, and that's when I saw him walking
Speaker 3: across the street, and I thank god I didn't have
Speaker 3: to use it, but at least I would. I was
Speaker 3: able to defend myself if I had to. And that
Speaker 3: was a situation where it was extremely unequal. This guy
Speaker 3: was like six ' four, about two hundred and fifty
Speaker 3: plus pounds. Hey man, I'm five ten and way ended
Speaker 3: about one hundred and eighty five hundred and ninety, so
Speaker 3: I had a sizeable disadvantage of that guy. No problem
Speaker 3: with the great equalizer, but just quick point.
Speaker 2: I know of our times getting sore, But what you
Speaker 2: said is important because everybody goes well, you know, if
Speaker 2: maybe if we all gave up our guns, it'd be
Speaker 2: more peaceful. No, once you get in that situation where
Speaker 2: you take away that leveling tool, then you get a
Speaker 2: situation where it might makes right. In the strongs who
Speaker 2: have criminal or evil intent will dominate in a situation
Speaker 2: where it might makes right. And that's what the gun
Speaker 2: is so important for because it let's that ninety six
Speaker 2: pound woman you talked about in Springfield, Ohio. It lets
Speaker 2: her make them afraid of her. That's how it should work.
Speaker 2: I don't want to be afraid of them attacking me.
Speaker 2: I want them to be afraid of the repercussions of
Speaker 2: coming after me.
Speaker 1: That's what I want. And so that's what that woman.
Speaker 1: I don't want that woman to fear them.
Speaker 2: I want them to fear the repercussions of attacking her.
Speaker 1: And that's how our founders looked at it. That's how
Speaker 1: they looked at it. And Nood explains it better than you. A. W. R.
Speaker 3: Hawkins brightbart dot com book market read what he has
Speaker 3: to write regularly. I owns enjoy our conversations. Man, keep
Speaker 3: up the great work. I'll look forward to having you
Speaker 3: back on the show real soon.
Speaker 2: Great being with you, buddy, Have a great day.
Speaker 1: Thanks brother.
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