Speaker 1: Hey, what is going on? My prom Meethian Nights. We
Speaker 1: are going to continue our journey through the dig Bible
Speaker 1: podcast season one, and here we're going over our first
Speaker 1: conference that we ever went to, and this was from
Speaker 1: Here the Watchman, and Man, this was such a great
Speaker 1: conference that the first time I got to meet Derek
Speaker 1: and Sharon Gilbert in person, Vicy, Joe Anderson, and so
Speaker 1: many more. But I got a treat for you, guys. Okay,
Speaker 1: Mike Kerr, the CEO of Here the Watchman, I'm good
Speaker 1: friends with him and I recently just recorded an episode
Speaker 1: for his podcast and he extended a discount code for
Speaker 1: their upcoming conference. Now, they have a conference coming up
Speaker 1: August to twenty second through the twenty fourth, and it's
Speaker 1: called Remnant Rising and it's in Springfield, Missouri. And man,
Speaker 1: they got a banger of the lineup, guys. The whole
Speaker 1: sky Watch TV team is going to be there, Derek, Sharon, Nita, Donna, Joe,
Speaker 1: and then on top of that, they got Jamie Walden Andy. Guys,
Speaker 1: check this. Nathan Reynolds is going to be there along
Speaker 1: with Vickie, Joy, Anderson and so many more. Here's your
Speaker 1: chance to meet these people. Shake their hand, get an autograph,
Speaker 1: ask your questions. I'm telling you, guys, these conferences are phenomenal.
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Speaker 1: All right, guys, that's enough to sit back, relax and
Speaker 1: enjoy this journey.
Speaker 2: We should read our bibles. A's men digging for buried
Speaker 2: treasure in the.
Speaker 1: Most high game of the nations. Their inheritance. When the
Speaker 1: divided mankind, he fixed the borders of people's according to
Speaker 1: the number of the sons of God.
Speaker 2: In those days and for some time after, giant Nephilites
Speaker 2: lived down to the earth. For whenever the sons of
Speaker 2: God had intercourse with women, they gave birth to children
Speaker 2: who became the heroes and famous warriors.
Speaker 1: Of ancient tides.
Speaker 2: Take no part in the fruitless deeds of darkness.
Speaker 1: But yet expose that though a.
Speaker 3: Thousand and fall at your side, though ten thousand are
Speaker 3: dying around you.
Speaker 1: These ears will not touching lives of garden man. You
Speaker 1: gotta dig it. Hell, old fellow treasure hunters, Welcome to
Speaker 1: the excavation side. I'must in alongside and when we got Ben,
Speaker 1: Stephen and Chad will be your guides on this excursion.
Speaker 1: Hope you brought your shovel in your compass because we
Speaker 1: got the map.
Speaker 3: Let's do.
Speaker 1: What's going on? All my local guys and gals and
Speaker 1: long distance piles. We're back, crug over there.
Speaker 2: I can't I can't. I can't not laugh at that
Speaker 2: every time. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Now I just look at him.
Speaker 3: Makes it worse.
Speaker 2: I can't. I can't do it.
Speaker 1: It's been a while, it's been a while. I missed
Speaker 1: you guys. Well, I missed being you missed me, Me
Speaker 1: and Steven got to hang out a little. Yeah, I didn't
Speaker 1: get to go.
Speaker 2: I tell you what, I'm sad. You will not want
Speaker 2: to miss another one of those that was.
Speaker 1: I'm hooked.
Speaker 3: I think I'll go next time.
Speaker 2: Change your change your outlook on a bunch of things.
Speaker 2: I learned more this weekend, and I've learned in a
Speaker 2: long time as far as uh you know, other than
Speaker 2: my own studies, like just unbelievable, unbelievable.
Speaker 1: We'll tell him where we went.
Speaker 2: Well, we went to a spiritual warfare conference up in Jeffersonville, Indiana,
Speaker 2: which was hosted by here the Watchman, Here the Watchmen,
Speaker 2: and uh some phenomenal speakers. We we kind of had
Speaker 2: a well personally, I should say for me personally, I
Speaker 2: hadn't heard of a lot of the people prior to
Speaker 2: this besides Derek Gilbert and Elie Marzouli was supposed to
Speaker 2: be there and then La had something come up where
Speaker 2: he couldn't make it, so they had to kind of
Speaker 2: move and reposition some people around. But we were still
Speaker 2: really excited because we had just done that episode with Derek,
Speaker 2: so we definitely wanted to go have a chance to
Speaker 2: meet him in person and maybe have him sign a
Speaker 2: book or two, which which he did, and got to
Speaker 2: find a whole bunch of new people in this space
Speaker 2: that had so much knowledge and in different areas of
Speaker 2: just the kind of things that we don't hear in church,
Speaker 2: but the kind of things that are in that that
Speaker 2: Divine World Council point of view, and it really it
Speaker 2: just helps solidify everything that we've been looking into.
Speaker 1: And what I thought was just so awesome was, you know,
Speaker 1: like Derek said in his episode with us, you know,
Speaker 1: deep inside that sixty year old body is that six
Speaker 1: year old kid. You know, Hey, mom, guess what, Hey,
Speaker 1: gay mom, guess what when you find something out, you know,
Speaker 1: and that's how we are looking through scripture and finding
Speaker 1: these things. And it was for me, it was great
Speaker 1: just being in a crowd of people of hey, guess what.
Speaker 1: You know. You get the feed off each other, you know.
Speaker 1: I try to talk and share my nuggets, you know,
Speaker 1: with with people in the world, and they're like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's cool. So it was really nice to.
Speaker 3: Be and a group of people who were interested.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you share your nuggets and their eyes lied up
Speaker 1: and they're like, oh my god, really, well, guess here
Speaker 1: this is what I found.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was awesome to have that around because people
Speaker 2: and on type of that. We have, you know, our
Speaker 2: dig shirts on and and and dig he's got his
Speaker 2: dig a hat on, and we go in there and
Speaker 2: people oh, oh what's that?
Speaker 1: Oh oh, notail about when we first walked in. When
Speaker 1: we first walked in with Kenny.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well we walk in and and and Kenny a
Speaker 2: guy that had joined our group, and apparently what he'd said, and.
Speaker 1: You rock Kenny C.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the rock with Kenny C. Yeah, the rock
Speaker 2: with so he says, uh, he says, walks over and
Speaker 2: says to us.
Speaker 1: He goes, hey, uh, well, first May we walked in
Speaker 1: and I leaned over to you and I was like,
Speaker 1: that guy over there, he looks just like this guy
Speaker 1: that signed up on our community page. I was like,
Speaker 1: I think it's the rock or can he see the Rockers?
Speaker 1: It's you know, I said, God, he looks just like him.
Speaker 1: I was like, but I'm not sure, right, I'm not
Speaker 1: going to go over there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean what would be the odds?
Speaker 1: Right? Well, yeah, because he just joined a few days prior.
Speaker 2: He walks over to Justin here and goes, hey, are
Speaker 2: you are you guys like fans of the dig? I
Speaker 2: mean you get your dig you're hunt. Justin's like, no,
Speaker 2: we're the we're the ones that record it. It's like, whoa, man,
Speaker 2: that's awesome. And it was so.
Speaker 1: Cool, like somebody knew who right.
Speaker 2: But he he was just super, super nice guy right away.
Speaker 2: And then the next day when you walked in, you
Speaker 2: had that other one on that kissing cousins don't make
Speaker 2: thirty footers and on the back of his and Kenny
Speaker 2: you had to come and get a picture of it.
Speaker 2: Behind him, He's like, man, I saw that. I start
Speaker 2: busting up right away.
Speaker 1: So I don't care how much it costs. I won't one.
Speaker 2: Oh man, that was pretty funny. Yeah, but I mean
Speaker 2: throughout the whole weekend though, I mean we sat. I mean,
Speaker 2: anybody you walked up to would look at your shirt
Speaker 2: or would look at one of the and his cards
Speaker 2: are stickers that just already shoved into their hand.
Speaker 1: And oh yeah, I'm a pitbull on crack.
Speaker 2: But they said, you know, and they come up and say, man,
Speaker 2: what you know? What are you guys into? What do
Speaker 2: you talk about? All this kind of stuff? All that
Speaker 2: be awesome? And honestly, just since that, I've seen so
Speaker 2: many familiar names of the people that we talked to,
Speaker 2: of the people that were there, that the speakers.
Speaker 1: We got forty or fifty new members on our Facebook
Speaker 1: page just from them that conference alone. Wow.
Speaker 2: So and man, some of the people that like David
Speaker 2: Paxton was awesome. Love that guy. He's funny as could be,
Speaker 2: but as passionate as can be about about the Word
Speaker 2: of God and everything that he brought to the table.
Speaker 1: And what was crazy about that was, uh it was
Speaker 1: they had a lunch in and Steven and Liz had
Speaker 1: got tickets and then Le's uh decided to hang out
Speaker 1: with Becca and go walk around there, and Liz is like, well,
Speaker 1: just you go with him.
Speaker 2: I was like, all right, cool, I had to have
Speaker 2: my date. Definitely took a turn sideways when I had
Speaker 2: to take this ugly guy with me instead of her.
Speaker 1: I hurt. But anyway, we walk in. They got all
Speaker 1: these tables set up right, and they told us that
Speaker 1: a speaker would be at every table, so you know,
Speaker 1: we didn't know, you know, who was going where. You know,
Speaker 1: we just we got in there kind of late. But
Speaker 1: by the time we sit down, there's only two chairs left, right,
Speaker 1: And we sit down at this table and there's this
Speaker 1: guy at the end of the table. He's sitting there
Speaker 1: on his computer and stuff. And I'd seen him, but
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't he hadn't spoke yet or anything
Speaker 1: like that. I didn't know if he was part of
Speaker 1: the recording crew or what. Honestly, just some guy on
Speaker 1: his computer.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And we sit down and all the speakers come
Speaker 1: out and sit down at the tables and stuff. And
Speaker 1: then I look over and Derek and Sharon is at
Speaker 1: the table next to us, and you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: I love Derek and I was like, ah, man, that stinks.
Speaker 1: And we was just sitting there, you know, and Steven
Speaker 1: ended up striking up a conversation with this older lady
Speaker 1: beside him, and she started asking about his T shirt
Speaker 1: and stuff, and he gave her a business card and sticker.
Speaker 1: And meanwhile, this guy at the end of the table,
Speaker 1: he's still just messing on his computer. And then finally
Speaker 1: he looks up and he's like, hey, guys, what's going on.
Speaker 1: You know, you know, I'm David Paxton kind of talks
Speaker 1: to us, and we just stricked up this conversation and
Speaker 1: it was a god thing. I mean it was.
Speaker 2: I actually called them bill packs in the first time.
Speaker 2: He goes, isn't.
Speaker 1: He isn't he dead?
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, but he had some good movies, my Tombstone.
Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1: But it worked out great, man. We had a really
Speaker 1: great conversation and we exchanged emails and contact information and
Speaker 1: told him about the show, and he told us a
Speaker 1: little bit about a book that he had coming up,
Speaker 1: and just great conversation about some of the conversations and stuff.
Speaker 1: Because I missed some of it because I smoke. So
Speaker 1: after I ate, I went outside to smoke, and I
Speaker 1: actually got to hang out with Mike.
Speaker 2: Was it was it Mike, Mike, Mike, Yeah, Mike, Ye
Speaker 2: forgive me Mike.
Speaker 1: But went outside he smoked, so that me and himshack
Speaker 1: up a conversation while Stephen and David got to know
Speaker 1: each other.
Speaker 2: And we talked a bit about just real just He
Speaker 2: was real nice, asking about the show, asking about a
Speaker 2: bunch of things. But he started talking about his book
Speaker 2: and let us even read a rough draft of one
Speaker 2: of the chapters of the books. We can kind of
Speaker 2: get a taste of it. Really nice, and then we
Speaker 2: got into talking about what his Ultimately, he ended up
Speaker 2: being the speaker for the lunch and we didn't know.
Speaker 1: That at first. I had no idea, but we started.
Speaker 2: Talking to him, and Justin was there for most of
Speaker 2: that part. But we started talking to him about the
Speaker 2: kind of what he ended up going into, and it
Speaker 2: was all about the legalistic side of the Bible and
Speaker 2: kind of looking at it from a contractual point of view,
Speaker 2: talking about our contracts with God, our contracts, you know,
Speaker 2: with our sin, you know, with the devil. Things of
Speaker 2: this nature were.
Speaker 1: And even the law, even the law. Yes, I was
Speaker 1: like you for episode oh, he.
Speaker 2: Would have been great. But it's but he just showed
Speaker 2: through the legalistic view why we have certain contracts in
Speaker 2: our life, why certain contracts that we still hold, such
Speaker 2: as our sin and contracts we have with the devil,
Speaker 2: because the devil kind of has, you know, counterclaimed us
Speaker 2: a little bit, you know, from God with our sin.
Speaker 2: And he was talking about and I think that's the
Speaker 2: point actually that Tom done and brought up but kind
Speaker 2: of worked there too. But he was talking to us
Speaker 2: a bit about how you know, if you go through
Speaker 2: all the different contractual uh uh, there's eight different parts
Speaker 2: of a contract, but one of them was you can't
Speaker 2: go in with any false pretense. And he talked about
Speaker 2: how Satan he lied, he tricked Adam and even right
Speaker 2: in the garden, and that was that right there. The
Speaker 2: contract he made with them was what's the benefit. You'll
Speaker 2: be like God's right right and we're not and we're
Speaker 2: not the only thing that he told us it was true,
Speaker 2: is we know the difference between right and wrong, but
Speaker 2: we we were not like God. So we entered in
Speaker 2: that contract to sin with the devil as kind of
Speaker 2: it was a false.
Speaker 1: It was a false pretense.
Speaker 2: False pretense, on the on the on that contract. So
Speaker 2: really that contract is null and void. But we always
Speaker 2: struggle with the sin. We always struggle with that side
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 1: So he said the contracts too. I like how he
Speaker 1: said has to be Locke cons Oh, he said, a
Speaker 1: contract has to be between a human and a human.
Speaker 2: You know, it can't be an angel in a human.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or a heavenly being, you know, a spirit being
Speaker 1: and a human. And he said that's why it was
Speaker 1: so important that God had to come in the flesh
Speaker 1: as Jesus Christ to make the new contract contract. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's pretty.
Speaker 2: This dude's this dude is good.
Speaker 1: It really will shift your paradigm.
Speaker 2: It was really good. I really liked listening to him.
Speaker 2: He was really on point and and like I said,
Speaker 2: he like Justin said it, it totally makes you think
Speaker 2: of things in a different light. And but it it
Speaker 2: all makes sense, It all makes sense. I mean that
Speaker 2: was that was That was a really good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm really excited to have David on. He said
Speaker 1: he would come on and talk to us more in
Speaker 1: depth about about his book and stuff. So, oh, he's
Speaker 1: great and we can and he's funny. He's a funny guy.
Speaker 1: He's a New Yorker.
Speaker 2: His website was the Hidden Day dot com, so you
Speaker 2: can learn a little more about David Paxton and uh,
Speaker 2: his book will be coming out and I'm not sure
Speaker 2: exactly when he said it was. November was originally the
Speaker 2: release date, but he says he just keeps having things
Speaker 2: pop up, so hopefully soon.
Speaker 1: But you can pre order.
Speaker 2: You can pre order that support the Hidden Day dot
Speaker 2: com and just in the comments put that it's for
Speaker 2: the book. I think the book he said was twenty dollars.
Speaker 2: But that'll help him get things rolling and get things
Speaker 2: done a little sooner. And I haven't done it yet,
Speaker 2: but I plan on doing it this week. So I
Speaker 2: just a little shout out for him, because, like I said,
Speaker 2: that information, that stuff is, it's it is truly paradigm
Speaker 2: altering when you really look at it and look at
Speaker 2: it from that point of view. I think that's just
Speaker 2: it's important to support those people that are in our
Speaker 2: in our space, that are really doing something to change
Speaker 2: people's lives.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and then of course, you know, when we
Speaker 1: got there, you know, when we first got there, you know,
Speaker 1: can he kind of come up to us and talk
Speaker 1: to us, and you know, and then of course, you know,
Speaker 1: we made a bee line straight to Derek and Sharan's table,
Speaker 1: and I brought my copy of my favorite book, He
Speaker 1: Is the Last Class the Titans, had him sign it
Speaker 1: for me, and then I also brought Giants, Gods and
Speaker 1: Dragons because him and his wife co authored that one,
Speaker 1: had both of them signed that one. But yeah, it
Speaker 1: was really cool man. It's uh if anybody could have oh,
Speaker 1: of course, but I selling it and holding it forever forever.
Speaker 1: But no, he was so cool. I mean, honestly, it
Speaker 1: was like meeting up with an old friend. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: we walked up and somebody was talking to him when
Speaker 1: we first walked up, and they had through the black
Speaker 1: David Dunn's or sorry, Tom Dunn's table over there, which
Speaker 1: Tom wasn't over there, but some of his you know,
Speaker 1: associates were over there. And we were just kind of,
Speaker 1: you know, just looking around the shirts and stickers and stuff,
Speaker 1: waiting for this other guy that was talking to Derek
Speaker 1: to leave. And I happened to just look over my shoulder,
Speaker 1: and Derek looked over and saw us. He grinned from
Speaker 1: here to ear and then kind of winked at us,
Speaker 1: you know, like a I see, and and after that
Speaker 1: guy left, he was like, hey, Justin, what's going on?
Speaker 1: Just walked over. We got to talk and we talked forever,
Speaker 1: and finally, you know, we started seeing some people's kind
Speaker 1: of pile up behind us, and Stephen had to yake
Speaker 1: me back to reality. Come on, let go, Justin.
Speaker 2: I know you're old friends, but no, it's it was
Speaker 2: really cool. It's just I think those conferences, especially when
Speaker 2: you talk about some of these people that we really
Speaker 2: look up, you know, and we've talked about this before,
Speaker 2: We've had we have some original ideas, we have some
Speaker 2: different viewpoints and things that we all bring to the table.
Speaker 2: But I think, you know, it's important to understand that,
Speaker 2: you know, I can't read Hebrew. I mean, I can't
Speaker 2: read Greek, and and and I mean he'll Derek, We'll
Speaker 2: tell you he can't either. And he stands on people
Speaker 2: like Michael Heiser. But we stand on the shoulders of
Speaker 2: these people. And all we're doing is trying to spread
Speaker 2: the information and then trying to help take it to
Speaker 2: the next level. If we can take our research and
Speaker 2: things that we do and add it to what's already
Speaker 2: there that you know, we can just help further that
Speaker 2: for for everybody, and I think it's important that we
Speaker 2: always it's just so cool to see those people that
Speaker 2: you're sitting there, like I've referenced that guy fifty times,
Speaker 2: Like that's really cool, and you know, it gives it's surreal.
Speaker 3: You talk about them like on the podcast and we
Speaker 3: interviewed him, then you got to meet them face to face.
Speaker 2: That's awesome.
Speaker 3: It's like, man, I just you know, over the internet,
Speaker 3: talked to you and he was wherever he was, I
Speaker 3: don't remember where, but.
Speaker 2: He's in Missouri. I think, right, isn't it Missouri? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think it's Missouri.
Speaker 3: It's just yeah, yeah, I mean it's just wild, you know,
Speaker 3: to be able to do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: But we got to talk to all the speakers, you know, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, David Heavener was there, you know, David David
Speaker 1: Heavener TV. You know Tom Dunn from Through the Black,
Speaker 1: Derek and Charon Gilbert, uh, doctor Mike Spaulding. Uh. He spoke,
Speaker 1: but it was virtual, uh because Joey Anderson, she was
Speaker 1: also with Through the Black, she's the co host, Tracy Tennant.
Speaker 2: Sandra Allison was virtual.
Speaker 1: Too, yes, and then David Paxt and those were all
Speaker 1: the speakers. But yeah, there was two virtuals so we
Speaker 1: got to meet everybody, but those two. We talked briefly
Speaker 1: to Tom. Tom was really busy when we first got there.
Speaker 1: He was sitting at a table with his computer and
Speaker 1: had all kinds of people around him. You know, I
Speaker 1: assume I was looking for the word to say. I
Speaker 1: assume it was like parts of his crew, and they
Speaker 1: were still getting his slides and stuff together, so we
Speaker 1: didn't want to really bother him.
Speaker 2: That and the rest of the time he was there,
Speaker 2: they were taking people back into private rooms of the
Speaker 2: place and delivery room and doing delivering stuff with you.
Speaker 2: It was pretty intense. And that guy Tom, I mean,
Speaker 2: what can you say about time Tom. If you look at.
Speaker 1: Tom, it looks like a heavy metal rocket does.
Speaker 2: One and ten percent Wow, And he gets up there
Speaker 2: and the guy's on fire. I mean, the guy is
Speaker 2: full on fire. And it's funny. And some of the
Speaker 2: stuff that stuck with me the most with him is
Speaker 2: he'd always say, is you know that they for some
Speaker 2: reason when you get to know how to do some
Speaker 2: of these deliverance type things or truly exercise different things
Speaker 2: that he said that as soon as you know how
Speaker 2: to do it, that God puts people in your path
Speaker 2: that you have to help. And he goes, do I
Speaker 2: want to be there when someone's demon possessed? He's like, no,
Speaker 2: I'd rather not. But because I know how to help,
Speaker 2: God puts you puts them in your path. And I
Speaker 2: thought that was really an interesting way. So the more
Speaker 2: that we learn and the more that we pull from
Speaker 2: all the stuff that we're doing, all the research, God's
Speaker 2: going to put people in our path for us to help.
Speaker 2: As we go along. God's going to put people there
Speaker 2: that that only we can reach, and we have to
Speaker 2: make sure that we have our eyes open that we're
Speaker 2: looking for that so when God presents us an opportunity,
Speaker 2: we can step out and help those people. And I
Speaker 2: think that's I mean, he don't get me wrong. I
Speaker 2: have have like five pages of notes from just watching
Speaker 2: time done. But like from that that right there was
Speaker 2: one of the most profound things to me because it
Speaker 2: spoke to me in the way that we all have
Speaker 2: a calling, that way that when that we're going to
Speaker 2: have things that pop out, that we're going to have
Speaker 2: those people that that God puts in our path that
Speaker 2: we have to help and it was just and it
Speaker 2: might not always be what you want to do, but
Speaker 2: it's what you're supposed.
Speaker 3: To do most of the time of day what you
Speaker 3: want to do.
Speaker 2: No, it isn't.
Speaker 1: And I love how he talked about you know, he
Speaker 1: kept reverensing, you know, the Bible and Jesus and stuff.
Speaker 1: Like they said, Jesus was casting out demons. He you know,
Speaker 1: give the authority and power to ut. Yeah, and they
Speaker 1: were doing it. He said. You know, we are called
Speaker 1: to do this, he said, but nowadays, you know, the
Speaker 1: church just washes their hands of it and they've lost
Speaker 1: their supernatural worldview. He said, No, we're supposed to be
Speaker 1: doing this. This is a real thing.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's exactly what Jesus told them. Yeah, now
Speaker 3: it's your turn, you know. And and like you said,
Speaker 3: you know, he's just one person, and go out and
Speaker 3: spread it to everybody.
Speaker 1: But it was very informative because me, I mean, that's
Speaker 1: kind of ignorant of it. You know, I just thought,
Speaker 1: you know, old demon possession is you know, like the
Speaker 1: extorcism Emily Rose, when they're you know, crying all the whiles,
Speaker 1: talking in strange tongues and you know, all this crazy
Speaker 1: horror film type stuff. But there's so much more to it. Yes,
Speaker 1: he was talking, you know, and I'm just kind of
Speaker 1: going off the top of the dome here, but he
Speaker 1: was like, you know, he said a lot of He
Speaker 1: said A question I always get is can I born
Speaker 1: again Christian be possessed? And he says no, he said,
Speaker 1: because you're possessed by the Holy Spirit, so therefore nothing
Speaker 1: evil can preside. You know, we're holdingess as he says.
Speaker 1: But you can be opressed. You can have strongholds, strongholds,
Speaker 1: you can be piggybacked, you can have items attachments. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like items that are possessed in your possession. And these
Speaker 1: things they might not you know, possess you, but they
Speaker 1: can torment and attack you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're going to be attacked. I mean, the whole
Speaker 2: point of this is you're going to be attacked. And
Speaker 2: the more in the closer we get, Satan's not worried
Speaker 2: about the people who are are already that are already
Speaker 2: walking his direction. He's worried about the people that are
Speaker 2: getting closer to God. He doesn't want you to help
Speaker 2: anybody else be saved. So we're the ones and those
Speaker 2: people and Christians in general. And then the people, as
Speaker 2: they get more and more on fire, are going to
Speaker 2: be attacked all the time.
Speaker 1: I can attest firsthand been spiritually attacked since starting this podcast,
Speaker 1: personal relationships with friends, you know, of my home life,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: It's what we all are getting attacked. And Satan knows
Speaker 2: are weaknesses. And that's one of the other things. I
Speaker 2: think he's one of the ones that said that that
Speaker 2: he said, you know, I'm not sure if it was
Speaker 2: him or if it was Vicky Tenant. We'll talk about
Speaker 2: hearing the bars englisher, No, the one where you said,
Speaker 2: you know, you think you think you're smart, you think
Speaker 2: you see things coming. But Scene's been around for thousands
Speaker 2: of years. He's had some practice. They're they're way smarter
Speaker 2: than us.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2: You know, demons, Satan, fallen angels, all that, that whole realm.
Speaker 2: They're smarter than us. So we have to hold true
Speaker 2: to God for us to be able to to be
Speaker 2: able to overcome those things. You can't overcome those things
Speaker 2: on your own. You just can't.
Speaker 1: And one thing he talked about too that I'd never
Speaker 1: really thought of, like in a spiritual warfare type lens.
Speaker 1: He talked about how is it worded? It was blood
Speaker 1: bloodline curses, you know, of course, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: and I always spoke this curse. You know, basically I
Speaker 1: was speaking a curse over myself, and my family did too,
Speaker 1: you know. You know, my daddy died when I was
Speaker 1: eight months old. You know. He was heavy into drugs
Speaker 1: and alcohol, you know, and he spoke a curse over
Speaker 1: him himself. I mean, I remember my mom telling me
Speaker 1: all the time. He used to always, you know, just
Speaker 1: just drink like a fish and do all these drugs
Speaker 1: and stuff, and everybody tell him, you know, hey, you
Speaker 1: very slow down, you very slow down. And he'd always
Speaker 1: tell him I ain't going to live past thirty anyway,
Speaker 1: and he kept saying that he didn't. He spoke it
Speaker 1: over himself.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It says, yeah, life and death is in the power
Speaker 1: of the tongue, right, you know, And so like growing up,
Speaker 1: you know, like anytime i'd get in trouble or you know,
Speaker 1: do something bad, you know, my grandfather or me, we'd
Speaker 1: always kind of joke and you know, like, why, well,
Speaker 1: he's from bad seed. You know. It's kind of like
Speaker 1: a generational curse type thing. He was talking about that
Speaker 1: you know exactly what I was talking about it, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he said so. And the thing is too, is
Speaker 1: you don't know your great great grandfather might have been,
Speaker 1: you know, a freemason practicing these you know, demonic stuff
Speaker 1: or Jack the Ripper, you know, or you know, my
Speaker 1: you know, your great great great aunt might have been
Speaker 1: a witch. That stuff follows you. And and he went
Speaker 1: through the Bible talking about it. You know how uh
Speaker 1: you know, it's in scripture. It says that it follows
Speaker 1: to like the fourth generation, the sins of the father
Speaker 1: wash over the child, and also the blessings do Also
Speaker 1: because he mentioned Solomon, you know, he said, David was
Speaker 1: you know, a righteous man after God's own heart, you know,
Speaker 1: Solomon turned wicked, built all these temples to these other
Speaker 1: gods and stuff. And and it even said through a prophet,
Speaker 1: God told, you know, Solomon, through a prophet, you know that, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're wicked. That basically, you know, I should destroy you
Speaker 1: and wipe you out, but for the sake of your father,
Speaker 1: I'll spare you.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And that I mean, that's that says a lot
Speaker 2: about how we should behave for our kids and how
Speaker 2: we should act for our kids. I fall under genetics
Speaker 2: even well, think about this, and this is something that
Speaker 2: we talked about a bunch of times, and and I've
Speaker 2: we've done maybe not so much on this, but you know,
Speaker 2: you hear a lot of people talking about power in
Speaker 2: the name and power in the name, and I have
Speaker 2: to refute that so much because the power doesn't come
Speaker 2: from that. Power comes from the blood, right, the blood
Speaker 2: of Jesus is what saved us. When we talk about
Speaker 2: these generational curses and things like that. What did the
Speaker 2: fallen angels tried to destroy in Genesis six? They tried
Speaker 2: to corrupt the bloodline. What they did, they created abominations.
Speaker 2: It's always been about the blood. So when you think
Speaker 2: about those things, the blood of your forefathers runs through
Speaker 2: your veins.
Speaker 1: It just does that whole power in the name thing,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's I hate to compare
Speaker 1: to this, but it's the only thing that I can.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like witchcraft, because it's like in witchcraft,
Speaker 1: you have to say a certain incantent nation, you have
Speaker 1: to say the spell just right, pronunciate the words, just write,
Speaker 1: or it won't work. So it's like, you know, everybody
Speaker 1: keeps you know, not everybody, but some people I see,
Speaker 1: you know, online and stuff talking about you know, the
Speaker 1: power in the name. Oh, there's only one name that's
Speaker 1: above names, you know, and all this stuff, and it's
Speaker 1: like you're putting the creator of the universe in a
Speaker 1: very small, little genie lamp.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And if I don't say it just right, he can't
Speaker 1: hear me or something. Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: If you go back to even the ancient Israelite you know, culture,
Speaker 1: the whole reason. Why was it Jacob that wrestled with
Speaker 1: God and then he asked him his name? You know,
Speaker 1: it was kind of like back then, if you had
Speaker 1: the name of the deity, it's like you had power
Speaker 1: control over it, you know. And those people they like
Speaker 1: to throw up all these verses, you know, the name,
Speaker 1: the name, the name. And in Revelation it says I
Speaker 1: can't remember the chapter and verse, but it plainly says that,
Speaker 1: you know, in front of the Great Throne, you know,
Speaker 1: these people will say, didn't I prophesy in your name?
Speaker 1: Didn't I cast out demons in your name? Did I
Speaker 1: not do great works and deeds in your name? And
Speaker 1: then the Father looks at him and says, depart from me,
Speaker 1: workers of iniquity. I never knew you. The name didn't
Speaker 1: save them, so therefore there's no power in the name.
Speaker 1: I don't care how you pronounce it.
Speaker 2: So the way another way you could look at it
Speaker 2: too is just say, like, I know, we talk about
Speaker 2: the lower case g gods or whatever, but that's more
Speaker 2: because they portrayed themselves as God's they were angels. So
Speaker 2: when you say God, there is only one God, so
Speaker 2: God knows you're talking about God. And also think about
Speaker 2: was it I'm trying to well anyway, when when and
Speaker 2: I can't remember what was it Moses that said when
Speaker 2: I say who sent me? Who should I say? And
Speaker 2: he said, I am sent you? Just I am me.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's it God? Is it? When you talk
Speaker 2: to God, you talk to I am you talk to
Speaker 2: what it God? God knows your heart. He knows who
Speaker 2: you're speaking to, the same way that we talk about
Speaker 2: when we're saved and we look in the Book of Life.
Speaker 2: God knows that you're saved because you believe in something,
Speaker 2: not because you knew his name, or not because you
Speaker 2: said a little little incantation or said what.
Speaker 3: The preacher told you to say, or like Doug at
Speaker 3: church was saying, you know, you know some of these
Speaker 3: Christian songs. You know, Lord please come save me. Well
Speaker 3: he said the song, and in the song it said
Speaker 3: it twenty times. So I got Uncle Bobby saved because
Speaker 3: I seen him singing it. That's not how it works.
Speaker 1: No heart, That's why I had to write the New
Speaker 1: Covenant on their hearts.
Speaker 2: Right, That's right. God knows your heart in the end.
Speaker 2: He will always know your heart. And that's where ultimately
Speaker 2: you're saved is because of your belief, not because of
Speaker 2: anything else, right.
Speaker 3: Not because you said of you know, like we said
Speaker 3: a verse or you know what the preacher told you.
Speaker 1: You know, Tom Done, you know his presentation. It was
Speaker 1: really enlightening for me, you know, and give me a
Speaker 1: whole new look into that. Like I said, you know,
Speaker 1: I didn't know about all these different you know paths.
Speaker 1: I guess you could say, but that was the first day.
Speaker 1: He was the last speaker of the first way, but
Speaker 1: then the first one, the first one, really stood out.
Speaker 2: So you gotta say Tom Tom Done website if you
Speaker 2: want to look into this a little more through the
Speaker 2: black dot com and and it's what did what did
Speaker 2: he say? And I love the way he said it
Speaker 2: it is a safe way to look at the dark
Speaker 2: side of things, Yes, because you don't you don't want
Speaker 2: to expose yourself to those things on your own. But
Speaker 2: he said, it's a safe way to look at and
Speaker 2: understand what we're fighting against. Know your enemy, know your enemy.
Speaker 2: And he also said remember this too. It is another
Speaker 2: one of the quotes he had that I loved was
Speaker 2: remember that sin opens the door for that, but prayer
Speaker 2: closes that door. So every time you know, we sin,
Speaker 2: or we we do something we transgress, however you want
Speaker 2: to say it, a window or a door is open
Speaker 2: into our our our heart, our mind, and then that
Speaker 2: gives Satan or or one of these other demons a
Speaker 2: foothold to get in there. So it's prayer is so
Speaker 2: important because that's how we close that that's how we
Speaker 2: keep our temple as pure as possible, as righteous as possible.
Speaker 2: And that's so important.
Speaker 3: And that is that is perfectly true because I found
Speaker 3: it in my own life, you know, doing certain things,
Speaker 3: looking at certain things. But if I start reading the
Speaker 3: Bible more and being more.
Speaker 2: Focused on how you're acting, behaving your living, a.
Speaker 3: God almost vanit them thoughts or you know, temptations almost
Speaker 3: go away and let until you go, well I've been
Speaker 3: good or whatever, and sun you right back at where
Speaker 3: you started when you let it, let.
Speaker 1: It back in. So but I spoke. I spoke to
Speaker 1: Tom briefly once or twice. And I also, I don't
Speaker 1: know if I even told you, but I went back
Speaker 1: to the table when I bought that shirt. I got
Speaker 1: a shirt. It's pretty cool, said anti woke, and I
Speaker 1: had the Romans quote, you know, being out of this world.
Speaker 1: But I spoke to the woman about, you know, if
Speaker 1: he'd done you know, uh, guest appearances and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: and she give me a business card with the email
Speaker 1: and stuff. So I'll be reaching out to Tom pretty soon.
Speaker 1: Hopefully we can have him on the show and tell
Speaker 1: us about some of his experiences and the stories.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: He looked like he was like a bass player for
Speaker 1: five Finger Death Punch. It was awesome.
Speaker 2: He is a good dude. He had and he had.
Speaker 2: I liked his insights on a lot of this stuff
Speaker 2: because it's it's once again, we don't view sin in
Speaker 2: that way we've view sent Oh we did something wrong.
Speaker 2: We we don't look at it as given a foothold
Speaker 2: to the devil given a foothold to letting other bad
Speaker 2: things in, other other evil thoughts, either evil things like
Speaker 2: this where we have to close that door. And that
Speaker 2: just made a lot of sense to me.
Speaker 1: And that God's Oh, I was just gonna go because
Speaker 1: I don't want to miss the her skip over. The
Speaker 1: first speaker of that day was a Tracy Tenant and
Speaker 1: you can find her stuff at Tracy Tenant dot com.
Speaker 2: And what else she at. She's at the Freedom Fighters
Speaker 2: HQ dot org.
Speaker 1: Okay, was the organization that she works for. And she
Speaker 1: was a former Mormon, right, yeah, yeah, she escaped Mormonism
Speaker 1: and her ten kids with her ten kids yeah or
Speaker 1: was it eight or ten? Yeah, it was ten. And
Speaker 1: she was really cool and she was talking about kind
Speaker 1: of like on a almost like on a psychological level,
Speaker 1: and was talking about how you don't even realize but
Speaker 1: like traumatic events that happened in your life you suppress
Speaker 1: them and how they come back later and those two
Speaker 1: are also strongholds for you know, demons and the devil
Speaker 1: to torment you with. And she was very open and vulnerable.
Speaker 1: I really applaud her for telling the story that she's
Speaker 1: told what she was talking about, for instance, you know,
Speaker 1: she said, we got all these kids, you know, she said,
Speaker 1: we had a big go mini van. She said. When
Speaker 1: we go everywhere, you know, it was like the you know,
Speaker 1: the Brady bunch. You got them in there roll call.
Speaker 1: Everybody had this, you know, she call out the names
Speaker 1: and the kids here present, you know, to make sure anytime.
Speaker 3: They left anywhere, forget somebody.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And she said one day they went to toys
Speaker 1: r Us and said, of course, you know, ten kids
Speaker 1: running around towards are us, you know. Yeah, so she
Speaker 1: said she went and told them all, you know, it's
Speaker 1: time to go, and her husband pulled the van around.
Speaker 1: She said, now all piled in, you know, she said.
Speaker 1: Once we got in there, she said, we did the
Speaker 1: roll call, started calling everybody's name. She said, after each
Speaker 1: you know name, we heard here, here, here, she said,
Speaker 1: So we had ten hears, she said, So we took
Speaker 1: off down the road. She said, about a half hour drive.
Speaker 1: We made it to our next destination.
Speaker 2: The BYU campus. Because they had like a little.
Speaker 3: Sounds like a home alone story, it is like that.
Speaker 2: But they were going to some place there for like
Speaker 2: some activity center or something that she said.
Speaker 1: And she said and they got out of the car,
Speaker 1: and as they's getting out, she was doing the headcout again.
Speaker 1: And she got through there and there was nine, she said,
Speaker 1: So I didn't know. Maybe one was laying down the
Speaker 1: seat or the floorboard. You never know, she said. So
Speaker 1: I was looking in there, she said, and I can't
Speaker 1: remember the young boy's name, she said, but such and
Speaker 1: such was missing. She said. I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: maybe I miscounted. She turned around, counted again. There was nine.
Speaker 1: She said, oh my god, he's missing. And she's like,
Speaker 1: but he said here, he said here, and then one
Speaker 1: of the little brothers said, oh, I said here for him.
Speaker 1: Oh man, immediately you know it probably was home alone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: How about some butt woopans?
Speaker 1: So she said. They turned around and hauled back, you know,
Speaker 1: down the road. Man was half an hour, so it
Speaker 1: was our total. And they get there and she said
Speaker 1: it was the most pitiful thing ever. She said. That
Speaker 1: kid was like five six years old, she said. And
Speaker 1: I pulled up, she said, and there he is, she said,
Speaker 1: just sitting outside the building, leaning against the the while.
Speaker 1: She said, just scared to death. And she said, she said,
Speaker 1: I pulled up. She said, he saw us and he
Speaker 1: just come running tears of joy, and.
Speaker 3: That could have went bad, like he could have wandered, went.
Speaker 1: Looking for kidna after anything. But she said, you know,
Speaker 1: after it's over with, you know, years down the road,
Speaker 1: that we'd tell that story and laugh. And it was
Speaker 1: a big joke, she said. And some things happened with
Speaker 1: her her son, and he ended up happening to go
Speaker 1: to therapy and I think she said through like hypnosis
Speaker 1: or something, she said, but he ended up coming out
Speaker 1: in therapy that that was a major fear of his
Speaker 1: was of being alone, being forgotten and left alone.
Speaker 2: That would but there was to that point though, what
Speaker 2: he say is that we have there's there's things that
Speaker 2: people have that that you know, they could have had
Speaker 2: a traumatic experience in their life, and it could have
Speaker 2: been something way worse than getting left at the grocery store.
Speaker 2: So it could have been some kind of abuse, could
Speaker 2: have been some kind of you know, all sorts of
Speaker 2: awful things that happened to either kids or even young adults,
Speaker 2: things that happened that they suppress. And she says that
Speaker 2: you get like the dissociative and amnesia that occurs with
Speaker 2: that trauma, where where you literally you're it's like a
Speaker 2: defense mechanism where you block out that that actually happened.
Speaker 2: But the problem is it's still there, and that still
Speaker 2: is it torments you, whether or not you remember that,
Speaker 2: that's exactly what happens. So when she went in and
Speaker 2: she did a whole exercise that she does with people
Speaker 2: with us, and it was it was really interesting and.
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna lie, you know. At first, I was like, man,
Speaker 1: this is kind of out there, but I was, you know,
Speaker 1: but something in me just was like, you know, what
Speaker 1: if what you know, what if that's a demon you know,
Speaker 1: or something, you know, trying to put the spirit of
Speaker 1: doubt in you. I was like, yeah, I want to
Speaker 1: do this with an open mind. And it was kind
Speaker 1: of like you know, yoga, meditation, esc but it was
Speaker 1: all in the name of Jesus, and it was pretty cool.
Speaker 1: Me and Steven both had some some little visions and feelings.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was it was unique.
Speaker 1: It was weird, and I got to tell him about it.
Speaker 2: Well, what she went through. She called it a conception exercise.
Speaker 2: So but she starts and she said some of these
Speaker 2: things and I this, this kind of blew me away,
Speaker 2: and I have to do more research into this because
Speaker 2: it's something.
Speaker 1: And that was the purpose of it was to find that.
Speaker 2: Find whatever traumatic event you had in your life.
Speaker 3: I don't know if i'd want to do that.
Speaker 1: It well, you find it to heal it, you know.
Speaker 3: But the way that she said a lot of stuff
Speaker 3: in the military, I don't remember.
Speaker 2: Someone she said that the one the one she had
Speaker 2: a U And this is no joke. She said she
Speaker 2: had a a guy that was coming to her that
Speaker 2: wanted that thought he thought he wanted to be He
Speaker 2: thought he wanted to be a female. Oh okay, he
Speaker 2: thought he wanted to be a female. And he just
Speaker 2: kept saying that. I just I really want to be
Speaker 2: a girl. I've had that my whole life. All these
Speaker 2: different things, and she went through this conception exercise and
Speaker 2: it's really interesting because she goes through it not only
Speaker 2: and this is like I said, this to me is
Speaker 2: something that I take it or leave it. You have
Speaker 2: to literally it is. It is a very unique exercise.
Speaker 2: I have to look into this more and research this more.
Speaker 2: But she started literally while you're in the womb, she
Speaker 2: talked about the first month, second month, third month.
Speaker 1: And it was pretty cool because she said, you know, first,
Speaker 1: she prayed, you know, in the name of Jesus, you know,
Speaker 1: to have Jesus reveal these things to you, you know.
Speaker 1: And she told you, you know, to close your eyes, she said,
Speaker 1: and imagine Jesus standing in front of you with your
Speaker 1: with these poems open, you know, like welcoming you. And
Speaker 1: she said, and you know, if you can't see it,
Speaker 1: she said, just you know, imagine, you know, and it's
Speaker 1: kind of like a you know, meditation type exercise. And honestly, man,
Speaker 1: it was weird for me. I closed my eyes and
Speaker 1: I was just trying to, you know, conceptualize it in
Speaker 1: my mind. And it was like I seen a lot
Speaker 1: of almost like a cross, but it was, you know,
Speaker 1: a body with its hands out. And the only way
Speaker 1: I can describe it is like, you know, if you
Speaker 1: start a light for a long time and then you
Speaker 1: close your eyes, you can still kind of see it
Speaker 1: when you close your eyes. That's what it kind of
Speaker 1: looked like. And I was like, WHOA. And I was
Speaker 1: sitting there looking at it, and honestly, I told Rebecca
Speaker 1: and Stephen both I said, you know, like when you
Speaker 1: see people go under hypnosis or maybe even a seizure
Speaker 1: or something like that how the eyes like flutter or
Speaker 1: like when their eyes are closed, how you can see
Speaker 1: them kind of rapidly moving so ide decided or moving
Speaker 1: in there. That's kind of like what it was when
Speaker 1: I had my eyes closed, and when I saw that,
Speaker 1: It's like my eyelids kept twitching up and down, up
Speaker 1: and down, like it was just like a picture take,
Speaker 1: you know, like a camera taking a million pictures that
Speaker 1: want to very weird. And but then she went through
Speaker 1: and she was like, you know, I bless you in
Speaker 1: your first month, the conception, you know, you've you're you know.
Speaker 2: She goes through your development the whole time. But when
Speaker 2: she got to the she said she was talking to
Speaker 2: that guy and got to his third month, and he goes, wow,
Speaker 2: and he broke down and said that he can hear
Speaker 2: his parents or no, it was all the ladies at
Speaker 2: her that because she was a pastor's wife and she
Speaker 2: had had five boys or something, and she really wanted
Speaker 2: a girl. So the he said he could hear all
Speaker 2: of the all of them know that all the women
Speaker 2: were praying around here, praying for a girl. And he
Speaker 2: heard that is what he's saying that his third month
Speaker 2: heard that, and it went back and later confirmed that
Speaker 2: that was true with his parents. So something that happened
Speaker 2: to the third month of conception and the third month
Speaker 2: of conception was able to to be able to go
Speaker 2: back to that point in time and say that this
Speaker 2: is when that moment happened, that even at that point
Speaker 2: in conception, the confusion started and whether or not you
Speaker 2: were he wanted to be a boy or a girl,
Speaker 2: a girl to please his parents, right.
Speaker 3: And I do I it was like imprinted on them.
Speaker 2: It was imprinted on because.
Speaker 1: It said the third month that your ears are developed
Speaker 1: and you can actually hear because it talks about you know,
Speaker 1: parents listening to soothing music and all these things. And
Speaker 1: the babies react, yeah, because they can hear, and and
Speaker 1: you can say, y'all they made it up or whatever,
Speaker 1: but it's like, how did he know that? You know?
Speaker 3: How did he know that? Then went and talked to.
Speaker 1: His mom and they confirmed it because she only had
Speaker 1: boys at that time, so they really wanted a girl
Speaker 1: and they were the congregation was praying over her that
Speaker 1: she would get the girl.
Speaker 3: Man, that's wild.
Speaker 2: So I don't know when I went through the whole thing,
Speaker 2: like I said, take it or leave it. If if
Speaker 2: it's it's interesting, exercise it it does it work? I
Speaker 2: don't that's I mean, that's pretty. I mean it's pretty
Speaker 2: interesting evidence that that that guy was able to confirm
Speaker 2: with his parents that they had actually that's what he
Speaker 2: found that out with his mom right, that they actually
Speaker 2: had in her third month, had prayed for him to
Speaker 2: be a girl, and he found that prior to her
Speaker 2: telling him through this exercise. I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's pretty, that's pretty, it's interesting. I don't, like I said,
Speaker 2: I have a it's things beyond my well, did you see?
Speaker 1: So?
Speaker 2: It was weird, I'll be honest when I first started hearing,
Speaker 2: because she's praying for for Jesus to be with you
Speaker 2: and to clear everything else, to uh kind of let
Speaker 2: him see those bonds or let you see those bonds
Speaker 2: on you and those things that potentially could be those
Speaker 2: moments of trauma or whatnot. When my eyes were closed,
Speaker 2: it was weird because when she started praying those things,
Speaker 2: I kept seeing black shadows come over my eyes and
Speaker 2: once again, could a cloud have passed over, Probably not
Speaker 2: that fast, but it would go over and would go
Speaker 2: back and forth over my eyes like a black shadow.
Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden it turned to a
Speaker 2: try And it's, like I said, I struggle with this.
Speaker 2: I don't it's things beyond my comprehension if this is
Speaker 2: really really truly happening. But I saw like a triangle
Speaker 2: that was it was pulsing blue, and it was it
Speaker 2: would slowly get and I could watch it pulse, and
Speaker 2: it would slowly get brighter, and slowly get brighter, and
Speaker 2: slowly get brighter, and all of a sudden, at the
Speaker 2: very end, it just went. It's like it exploded, and
Speaker 2: it was all just as bright white as I couldn't
Speaker 2: even barely look at it was so bright white. And
Speaker 2: that's about when we opened our eyes at the end
Speaker 2: of everything. But I don't know what that means. I
Speaker 2: asked her about the colors and things like that, and
Speaker 2: she didn't really know what exactly what to tell me.
Speaker 2: But but I mean a lot of times, but a
Speaker 2: lot of I mean maybe, but a lot of times.
Speaker 2: I know colors can be associated with certain things and
Speaker 2: different things, But I really don't know. But I think
Speaker 2: that it was a very interesting exercise of anything. It
Speaker 2: made you kind of focus on maybe different aspects of
Speaker 2: your life and and really think you know, where is
Speaker 2: the trauma? Where where are those demons that are attacking you?
Speaker 2: Where are you letting them have that stronghold? Where is
Speaker 2: that connection? Because we all have something, we all have
Speaker 2: scars and and God has forgiven those, but Satan, let's
Speaker 2: us keeps reminding us of them, right?
Speaker 1: And mine was pretty pretty weird also, Like I told you, you know,
Speaker 1: the whole eye floaters thing and stuff, but I didn't
Speaker 1: really feel anything at all until I can't remember if
Speaker 1: it was a third or fourth month, but she would,
Speaker 1: you know, say, you know, I bless you on this month,
Speaker 1: you know, and all this stuff, and then she'd have
Speaker 1: like a pause, you know, and then after like a
Speaker 1: minute or so, then she'd you know, give you know,
Speaker 1: she'd tell you, like, you know, this month, your your
Speaker 1: ears are fully developed, this that or the other. And
Speaker 1: I remember whatever month that was, it was third, fourth
Speaker 1: month or whatever, I was blank, but like out of nowhere,
Speaker 1: I got like this sensation of just joy and happiness
Speaker 1: and excitement, and I mean I could even feel my
Speaker 1: heart rate increasing, and I was like, you know, this
Speaker 1: is strange. You know, Did I have a heart attack
Speaker 1: in the womb, you know, or something like that? Or
Speaker 1: and and then she said this and this month, your
Speaker 1: your sex organs have developed, and now through ultrasound they
Speaker 1: can tell what sex you are and all this stuff.
Speaker 1: And then it hit me because you know, my dad,
Speaker 1: he died when I was eight months old, and I
Speaker 1: got two older sisters, and all my mom always told
Speaker 1: me all he ever wanted was a boy, and he
Speaker 1: said he wasn't going to stop, you know, pro creating
Speaker 1: until he got one. But like I told you, you know,
Speaker 1: he was he was wild. He was a construction worker
Speaker 1: and partied all the time. And Mom said that he'd
Speaker 1: be out of town working when he'd come home Friday
Speaker 1: with his paycheck, he wouldn't even come home. He'd go
Speaker 1: out bar hopping and partying with all his friends and
Speaker 1: he'd come home Sunday night hung over and hard up,
Speaker 1: no money left. Right. And once, uh, she got pregnant
Speaker 1: and they found out it was a boy, Mom said
Speaker 1: he was just so excited and he was like, you know,
Speaker 1: I want to straighten up. You know, I want to
Speaker 1: see this boy live. And this is what I've always
Speaker 1: prayed for and wanted. I'm going to straighten up. And
Speaker 1: so it's like almost like I felt his excitement, but inevitably,
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's hard for a tiger to change
Speaker 1: its stripes. You know, he went right back to it
Speaker 1: and he died. But I didn't realize this tool like
Speaker 1: maybe after we done got home, when I got to
Speaker 1: thinking about it, and maybe my scar was was resentment
Speaker 1: and like anger toward my old man and almost like
Speaker 1: a like a rejection, like like I wouldn't good enough. Uh,
Speaker 1: I always asked myself. I was like, you always wanted
Speaker 1: a boy, you finally got it, but you chose your
Speaker 1: drugs and alcohol over me. And it was I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's just like a like a light bulb moment, like
Speaker 1: it was like now you were enough. Know he was
Speaker 1: just he was sick and he had his own demons, right,
Speaker 1: So it was kind of like a almost like a
Speaker 1: a reassurance from God, you know, like you know, it
Speaker 1: ain't your fault. It wouldn't that you weren't enough. It
Speaker 1: was just it was him. So I mean that that
Speaker 1: was pretty cool. But I didn't figure that out till
Speaker 1: after I got home.
Speaker 3: Right, it didn't click.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that I mean listen, like I just said
Speaker 2: anything that that, if anything that that exercise did is
Speaker 2: to give you some peace in certain in certain ways,
Speaker 2: you know, where you find that maybe that scar's there,
Speaker 2: maybe that wound, that trauma is there, and that's something
Speaker 2: that we all need to face at some point. We
Speaker 2: all have those things.
Speaker 3: I'm just am trauma. I'm just a giant trauma.
Speaker 1: But yes, Tracy was really cool. Talked to her afterward,
Speaker 1: gave her a business card and I asked her if
Speaker 1: she'd be want to come on show. She was actually
Speaker 1: really excited. She's like, oh, yes, I'd love to, and
Speaker 1: she's already emailed me since we got back, so that'll
Speaker 1: be in the works.
Speaker 3: That would be curious to see what popped up in
Speaker 3: my head.
Speaker 1: It'll be your turn.
Speaker 2: It will be your turn. A little scary, it was,
Speaker 2: like I said, it's just one of those things that's
Speaker 2: I just don't know. It was. It was unique, it
Speaker 2: was a little bit out there, but it's.
Speaker 1: But it you know, and think about it, like that's
Speaker 1: just like our once again us laying back on our filters,
Speaker 1: our preconceived notions. I mean, so think about it. If
Speaker 1: we're willing to accept divine counsel Nephelom giants, but not
Speaker 1: praying for Jesus for God to show us these things,
Speaker 1: no I hear. I mean, yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I'm just for other.
Speaker 3: People at it kind of like, uh, you kind of
Speaker 3: dabbing in a little. But but if you do it
Speaker 3: in the proper.
Speaker 1: Way, well, in the name of Jesus. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: what she keeps saying. You know, there's no stones, no
Speaker 1: incontent nations.
Speaker 2: She's just praying, yeah, and she's praying for you to
Speaker 2: be able to find that scar. And it's interesting, you know,
Speaker 2: you think about it, and it's one of those things
Speaker 2: if you go back like we and it's time done.
Speaker 2: What said a lot too was in the if you
Speaker 2: look at acts, you know, and them casting out demons
Speaker 2: and you casting out those things, and people look at
Speaker 2: that now and it's either a horror movie, you know
Speaker 2: if you talk about that, or it's something that is
Speaker 2: you know, extremely frowned upon where that doesn't either that
Speaker 2: doesn't really happen, or somebody's just acting.
Speaker 3: Out right there.
Speaker 2: They just can change their voice really well to sound
Speaker 2: really gargley and sound like they're from the pits of Hell.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's crazy. Even with Hollywood too, what you
Speaker 1: still see them being called out in the name of Jesus.
Speaker 1: You still see them being affected by a scripture and
Speaker 1: the crials, you know, so I mean even Hollywood, you know,
Speaker 1: in their horror films, whether they like it or not,
Speaker 1: there's a biblical foundation.
Speaker 2: And all and all in all though, she was extremely interesting.
Speaker 2: I think she has an amazing story to tell, especially
Speaker 2: about escaping Mormonism and then how she got into this
Speaker 2: it's all together.
Speaker 1: It is just a definitely worth digging into.
Speaker 2: Yes it is, it is is unintended, but it was
Speaker 2: really good. I did. I really did like listen to
Speaker 2: her and she was exceptionally nice to talk to. Just
Speaker 2: it was it was really it was really good.
Speaker 1: And that was the end of the first night. Then
Speaker 1: we went back to that Airbnb that that Li has found. Man,
Speaker 1: that thing was cool. Tell them about that.
Speaker 2: That was. It was like a like an older townhouse
Speaker 2: and it was kind of cool how it's set up.
Speaker 1: We were It was like eighteen hundred style, I mean
Speaker 1: it was. It was really cool.
Speaker 2: By the way, set out with candles and we were
Speaker 2: out there with those hand cranked generators to get some
Speaker 2: electricity so we had enough light.
Speaker 1: To read has get back up, run faster.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 2: It was kind of cool. It's kind of a just
Speaker 2: it was a little two bedroom thing with a bathroom,
Speaker 2: but it was a cool set up the little living
Speaker 2: room where we kind of sat down and talked about
Speaker 2: everything for that had happened that day and kind of
Speaker 2: went back and forth with it because you know, both
Speaker 2: of our wives are there with us during the conference
Speaker 2: for everything except for the launch that we went to.
Speaker 2: We ended up uh not being able to make a
Speaker 2: couple of things, but as a whole, like I said,
Speaker 2: it was, it was. It was nice to be able
Speaker 2: to go back. Everybody kind of relaxed, you know, get
Speaker 2: your sweatpants on and sit down and just kind of
Speaker 2: delve over all the information. I do wear sweatpants, They're comfortable.
Speaker 1: I had my anim one basketball shorts and it was
Speaker 1: too cold, old T shirt.
Speaker 3: It was too cold. Too cold man from Michigan.
Speaker 2: Anyway. Anyway, the next morning we jumped around a little bit,
Speaker 2: because we jumped around just a little bit.
Speaker 1: But yeah, the next day that was Sandra Allison, Vicky,
Speaker 1: Joey Anderson, and Mike Spaulding.
Speaker 2: Right well, Derek Gilbert was the first one.
Speaker 1: At nine yeah, nine am.
Speaker 2: Yes, So we started with Derek. We got there, we
Speaker 2: walk around again. You can talk to everybody in the morning,
Speaker 2: they all have their stuff out, kind of like in
Speaker 2: the vendor area. You can everybody is super nice. Like
Speaker 2: I said, it was just you could sit down and
Speaker 2: talk to anybody, as well as any of the people
Speaker 2: that were there at the conference. They were all just
Speaker 2: wanted to talk a lot of people either see the
Speaker 2: shirt or something that you have, Oh what is your
Speaker 2: what is your podcast about? And because a lot of
Speaker 2: people there had them, so they'd be like, oh, it'd
Speaker 2: be great. It was just it was really cool. But
Speaker 2: really the as far as as far as we were concerned,
Speaker 2: no offense to anybody else because we didn't really know
Speaker 2: who they were. But but Dereck Gilbert, you know, was
Speaker 2: one of the main people we went to talk to.
Speaker 1: Derek. Lawn and La backed out on us.
Speaker 2: And eventually we'll we'll get to talk to La at
Speaker 2: some point. Oh yeah, we'll make it. We'll keep pushing. Eventually,
Speaker 2: eventually we'll get him on here. But with Dereck Gilbert,
Speaker 2: and it was really cool because we got to it
Speaker 2: was it was kind of funny because Justin said the
Speaker 2: same thing to me afterwards and because I'm sitting there
Speaker 2: next to Liz and I keep going, this is building
Speaker 2: up to this, this is building up to this, And
Speaker 2: I'd say what the next thing was? And and then
Speaker 2: you said, Becka said the same thing to you. It
Speaker 2: is like She's like, you do we even have to
Speaker 2: be here? It's like he was just on the show.
Speaker 2: He went over a lot of the same stuff.
Speaker 1: The that wonder honestly, I mean, were we warm up Yeah,
Speaker 1: if we warmed him up for it, or if if
Speaker 1: he had spoken on that before. Maybe you had his
Speaker 1: stuff together for this conference and just kind of bled
Speaker 1: through on our show. But the whole Hey, mom, guess
Speaker 1: what he used that? And he used the I was
Speaker 1: so hoping he would reference our our show because he
Speaker 1: went into there's nuggets of gold in scripture, you know,
Speaker 1: and we just have to dig and find them.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, that would have been cool if.
Speaker 2: He I mean, his stuff was great. So you know,
Speaker 2: the whole thing was a spiritual warfare conference. So the
Speaker 2: focus was, you know, how to fight these demons, how
Speaker 2: to rid yourself, how to how to protect yourself against them.
Speaker 1: And Derek really dove into who the principalities are and
Speaker 1: where demons come from.
Speaker 3: And I really wish I how to win.
Speaker 2: It was really really good, and he went, I mean, and.
Speaker 1: He done the whole through the Valley of the Shadow
Speaker 1: of Death Mount Hermond, but Shan and stuff.
Speaker 2: The beth saida as far as Bashine. When when Jesus
Speaker 2: was getting baptized, like looking across the Jordan. In the Bible,
Speaker 2: what does it say, It says Bethany, Yeah, Bethany, But
Speaker 2: that was missing. It was most likely misinterpreted as what
Speaker 2: beth Sayida from beth Sayida.
Speaker 1: But even the geography because it said east of the Jordan,
Speaker 1: and the place where everybody thinks John was baptizing was
Speaker 1: west of the Jordans. So even the geography core scripture
Speaker 1: is not right.
Speaker 2: And it's right into the plains of Bashan.
Speaker 1: Which is where all those Doman fields are. And that's
Speaker 1: why even it says you know, it said you know
Speaker 1: in that psalm it said, you know, yay, though I
Speaker 1: walked through the Valley of Shadow of Death, I will
Speaker 1: fear no evil. And David wrote that, and it showed
Speaker 1: the main road that cut through from Egypt all the
Speaker 1: way through Israel, the main road, the trade route that
Speaker 1: you know, David and his armies marched several times, goes
Speaker 1: right through Sean. So he said, you know, this is
Speaker 1: what he was talking about. And he says, and you
Speaker 1: prepare a table for me in the presence of nine enemies.
Speaker 1: And he showed pictures of those domens. Those domens, they
Speaker 1: got huge tables.
Speaker 2: R V Marus that was the name of that road,
Speaker 2: the Roman road that went through there. The V Mars.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be creepy walking, you know, walking down
Speaker 3: through there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because all the necromancing rituals and stuff they did
Speaker 1: with the refiem and stuff. I mean it was synonymous
Speaker 1: at the people at that time that that was, you know,
Speaker 1: synonymous with the underworld, the you know, death. But yeah,
Speaker 1: Derek was awesome. He nailed it down the park. And
Speaker 1: then who was after him was that Sandra?
Speaker 2: I think we had Sandra Allison after.
Speaker 1: Him and she was virtual.
Speaker 2: Oh and Derek, I know, we had all his information.
Speaker 2: You can find him in a million different spots. Look to
Speaker 2: our last episode.
Speaker 1: At Gilbert Housefellowship dot com, SKYWATCHTV dot com.
Speaker 2: He's got apps that were for the view to the
Speaker 2: Bunker is one of them. And then it's the Gilbert
Speaker 2: House Fellowship. Fellowship I think the app is called I
Speaker 2: think it's the app is is gh TV is Gilbert
Speaker 2: House Television, So look look that up as well. But
Speaker 2: he's got so many resources, so many interesting things. I
Speaker 2: know we went extensively into all those different resources on
Speaker 2: the show we had with h but look back into
Speaker 2: it because it's really good.
Speaker 1: And Sandra Allison, she was kind of on the same
Speaker 1: page with Tracy tennantt it was the whole spiritual warfare
Speaker 1: and uh meditation and hers was more like on a
Speaker 1: PhD psychology level. Because even Rebecca, you know, she went
Speaker 1: to school and got her major in psychology, and she
Speaker 1: was talking about you know, you could you could totally
Speaker 1: tell that she had her degree in psychology. Psychology, Yeah,
Speaker 1: all the monology. And she was talking about, you know,
Speaker 1: rape victims, you know, when they're raped at a young age,
Speaker 1: or even if they're raped several times at different ages,
Speaker 1: they revert back to the youngest the first time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they and that persona or whatever holds onto that
Speaker 1: memory and that way the person living doesn't remember it anymore.
Speaker 1: So she'll do stuff with them to to bring out
Speaker 1: that inner child and release that trauma and free that person.
Speaker 1: Stuff like that. But it's all it's it's basically psychology
Speaker 1: and Christianity kind of combined.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was called a splanka. There was this splank
Speaker 2: of therapy where and it's as you have to look
Speaker 2: it up. It's s P l A and k N
Speaker 2: A and it's something I'd never heard of before. Very
Speaker 2: very unique, very interesting. But go ahead look into that
Speaker 2: deals a lot with like meridian system systems and the
Speaker 2: kind of some of the energy fields and stuff. It
Speaker 2: sounds and she even prefaced this sounds a lot like
Speaker 2: New age stuff. She preferenced, prefaced that, she said that,
Speaker 2: but we're looking you know, it's it's you have to
Speaker 2: make sure if you do any of these types of
Speaker 2: things that you research, make sure it's a Christian person
Speaker 2: that's helping you through this type of therapy and things
Speaker 2: of that nature, because otherwise, you know, if you it's
Speaker 2: the same with anything if you go and you go
Speaker 2: to a bad church with a pastor that has ill intent,
Speaker 2: and you can get fed the wrong way as well.
Speaker 2: So you have to know what you're what you're in
Speaker 2: for is of God.
Speaker 1: So and then after she spoke, Uh, we had dinner
Speaker 1: break or I guess I think it was lunch Well yeah,
Speaker 1: well no because oh yeah, because that's when we had
Speaker 1: to lunch in and that's when we met you know,
Speaker 1: David Pash and we done talked about that. Then when
Speaker 1: we came back, it was another verse with doctor Mike Spaulding.
Speaker 1: But I'm sorry, mister Spaulding, but our ut vols, yeah,
Speaker 1: go be guards and if you don't know, we beat Alabama, okay,
Speaker 1: but uh so we went to uh this little uh
Speaker 1: bar and grill and had about to eat and uh
Speaker 1: watched the game. Uh well, we watched the first you know,
Speaker 1: maybe quarter of it, and then it was time for
Speaker 1: Vicky Joy and we didn't want to miss that because
Speaker 1: you know, you know, we've had my wife on another
Speaker 1: episode and she's talked about her night terrors and sleep
Speaker 1: proolyss you know issues and stuff like that. And that
Speaker 1: was the Vicky Joy's uh uh whole uh expertise. I
Speaker 1: guess would say. She wrote a book uh called day
Speaker 1: Only Come Out at Night and it was all about
Speaker 1: sleep paralyssies and how demons and stuff like that, you know,
Speaker 1: attack you in your sleep and how and it was
Speaker 1: all you know, surrounded uh that subject. And she wrote
Speaker 1: that book so you know, we were definitely interested in that,
Speaker 1: and you know, my wife, she wanted to try to
Speaker 1: get some tools to maybe help with her stuff she's
Speaker 1: dealing with. And actually, Rebecca, you know, when we was
Speaker 1: having those exhibitors and stuff and going down and having
Speaker 1: the meet and greets, while me and him was talking
Speaker 1: to Kenny and Derek and stuff, she kind of took
Speaker 1: off to the corner with Vicki and talked to her
Speaker 1: the whole time. She got a lot of cool information
Speaker 1: from her. So we came back for that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was she was. She was awesome. I mean,
Speaker 2: she she blew me away, like the information and stuff
Speaker 2: that I mean, I guess partly if you've never dealt
Speaker 2: with like something like sleep paralysis or some of those
Speaker 2: other you know, people talk about and this is I
Speaker 2: know to some people it sounds like ghost stories. But
Speaker 2: and I know somebody listened to this has had this
Speaker 2: happen to them, because I've known too many people that
Speaker 2: have told me the same story. But they'll be laying
Speaker 2: at home in bed at night, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: there's a shadow in their room and they see this shadow,
Speaker 2: and the shadow moves to them or holds them down
Speaker 2: and they can't scream and move. It's they strangle them
Speaker 2: or they just feel like they just can't. They can't speak,
Speaker 2: they can't do anything. And this stuff happens to a
Speaker 2: lot of people, a lot more people than are willing
Speaker 2: to say. Even one of the other ladies I was
Speaker 2: at the conference were sitting. I was talking to her
Speaker 2: and she started.
Speaker 1: Had no idea, she had no idea that Joy was
Speaker 1: and he started telling her about.
Speaker 2: It, and she goes, oh my gosh, I've been looking
Speaker 2: for someone to talk to about that because that happens
Speaker 2: to me.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, and she even said, she said, I've
Speaker 1: never told anybody, she said, but I feel comfortable here,
Speaker 1: she said, And since you brought it up, she said,
Speaker 1: I know I'm not crazy, right.
Speaker 2: No, it's true. I mean this this is stuff that
Speaker 2: that I mean, it's it ain't to the whole thing
Speaker 2: about me in bed.
Speaker 3: But like I told you all before over in Iraq,
Speaker 3: I mean it's creepy. Oh yeah, I mean I didn't
Speaker 3: like see nothing. It's just sometimes darker.
Speaker 2: I don't think people always see something sometimes, I think
Speaker 2: they just feel the oppression.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like a feeling of being older, Yeah, restrained
Speaker 3: restrained would probably be a better word.
Speaker 2: Another type of demonic attack.
Speaker 1: I mean, which I say, you brought your notepad with
Speaker 1: you to talk about some of her you know, her
Speaker 1: nuggets in there. She had some really good ones. So one,
Speaker 1: especially with the last Supper Leonardo da Vinci painting, there's
Speaker 1: something in there that I would I would probably if
Speaker 1: I was a betting man, I'd probably bet fifty dollars
Speaker 1: to your penny that you never noticed this.
Speaker 2: I'll bet you that too. But I'm gonna jump into
Speaker 2: a couple of things. You jump in when you feel
Speaker 2: that you got your your nuggets, show me your nuggets.
Speaker 2: But one of the first things that she's talking about,
Speaker 2: if we go back, and I found this kind of interesting,
Speaker 2: but she was talking about Esclepias and that was the
Speaker 2: serpent god of healing. And I think this is really
Speaker 2: funny because it's things that we don't even really notice.
Speaker 2: But it look at the side of an ambulance, right
Speaker 2: you see that kind of asterix looking star, and you
Speaker 2: see that that staff with the snake wrapped around it.
Speaker 2: That's where that's where it comes from. And it's called
Speaker 2: the staff of Asclepias, and that we still hold to
Speaker 2: that today. And one of the really interesting things and
Speaker 2: this is this one is the one that I think
Speaker 2: probably did you. That's exactly what.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. I was going through my images. I
Speaker 1: got it somewhere.
Speaker 2: I actually took I actually looked it back up today
Speaker 2: because okay, here, so the original Hippocratic oath.
Speaker 1: Now, these are what these doctors are reciting. Well, this
Speaker 1: protect you.
Speaker 2: They've modified it now, but originally this is what it
Speaker 2: comes from. This is the Hippocratic oath. A lot of
Speaker 2: people attribute it to Hippocrates, but most scholars don't believe
Speaker 2: that he actually wrote it. But it says, I swear
Speaker 2: by Apollo the Physician, and Asclepias and Helgia and Panacea
Speaker 2: and all the gods and goddesses as my witness, that
Speaker 2: according to my ability and my judgment, I will keep
Speaker 2: this oath in this contract, to hold him who taught
Speaker 2: me this art equally dear to me as my parents,
Speaker 2: to be a partner in life with him, and fulfill
Speaker 2: his needs when required. So we go through it. There's
Speaker 2: a whole bunch of different things that say, but it talks.
Speaker 2: One of the parts that I thought was the most
Speaker 2: interesting is it says I will reverence my master who
Speaker 2: taught me the art.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's kind of creepy.
Speaker 2: It is extremely creepy. Gods, ye, gods and goddesses, and
Speaker 2: then they named four of them right.
Speaker 3: There right to go back contract contract.
Speaker 1: I always guests, see contract.
Speaker 2: So proud of you right now.
Speaker 3: He didn't even study, didn't even study.
Speaker 2: But I thought that was that just that was like
Speaker 2: I had never heard of that, like the original that
Speaker 2: had been modified. But when you look at that, I
Speaker 2: find that just that's kind of that's really and that's
Speaker 2: it was originally written in Greek. I mean, that's what
Speaker 2: it comes from Greek, and then it has been changed
Speaker 2: a little bit, which.
Speaker 1: I got some screenshots of what she led up with,
Speaker 1: like the little definitions and stuff. So like one of
Speaker 1: her first slides it says what is sleep paralysis? And
Speaker 1: it says in parentheses the experts what the experts have
Speaker 1: to say? It says Medical News Today, a terrifying sleep
Speaker 1: disorder experienced since the dawn of humankind. Very healthylife dot
Speaker 1: com says it's sleep paralysis is one of the most
Speaker 1: common sleeping conditions out there. It can be temp. What
Speaker 1: is that word temp? I never saw that word tem
Speaker 1: fy and g temping either way, and it can sometimes
Speaker 1: make people imagine that they are being trapped in their
Speaker 1: beds by some invisible force, when all it is in
Speaker 1: reality is the body going through its natural process and
Speaker 1: firing neurons off at random in order to relieve tension
Speaker 1: before the body falls asleep. And then also, sleepfoundation dot
Speaker 1: Org says sleep paralysis is a temporary inability to move
Speaker 1: that occurs not after falling asleep or waking up. Individuals
Speaker 1: remain aware during episodes, which frequently involve troubling hallucinations and
Speaker 1: sensations of suffocation. The new Agers say that sleep paralysis
Speaker 1: is the perfect time to try astrail projection. While your
Speaker 1: body is anchored and unmoving, It's relatively easy to separate
Speaker 1: your astral body from the physical body. In fact, it's
Speaker 1: ideal situation during astral projection. You want your spirit or
Speaker 1: soul to get up out of bed while your physical
Speaker 1: body stays put. This isn't easy, but sleep paralysis affords
Speaker 1: you the perfect opportunity.
Speaker 2: Think about this, that movie that's Doctor Strange. They glorify this,
Speaker 2: that where he pulls himself out of that.
Speaker 1: Kid, that kid the movie What is it now? That's
Speaker 1: they made three or four of them. But that's what
Speaker 1: the whole movie was about. That he would insidious. Remember,
Speaker 1: he would sleep and his soul would leave his body
Speaker 1: and go to this upside down dimension or world and
Speaker 1: he would roam free and do all this stuff. Then
Speaker 1: his spirit or soul would come back to his body,
Speaker 1: and in the movie, he gets stuck in that up
Speaker 1: side down and then this medium has to go and
Speaker 1: retrieve him and bringing back home. I mean, that's what
Speaker 1: the whole movies of that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what I'm thinking of a different move I can't
Speaker 3: think of the word, but I mean you even think
Speaker 3: about okay, now, if your spirit's out of your body,
Speaker 3: looking yeah, yeah, that's that's where I was.
Speaker 2: Like, Well, if you look at look back and you
Speaker 2: talk about the we talked a lot before about like
Speaker 2: Babbel and or some of these other gigantic temples that
Speaker 2: they built so they could mingle with the gods. You know,
Speaker 2: they would have a sacrifice or something, and then if
Speaker 2: that person's soul leaves their body, they're trying to have
Speaker 2: one of the gods, you know, use that body as
Speaker 2: a vessel. So there's a lot of things with that.
Speaker 2: But the astral projection stuff was is really deep and
Speaker 2: actually what's really disturbing. And I remember hearing about this
Speaker 2: and I didn't even know what it was, but I
Speaker 2: remember hearing about this. I think it was last year
Speaker 2: with Aaron Rodgers Green Bay Packers talk about the having
Speaker 2: banned substances and what they're not allowed to have or
Speaker 2: allowed to have as athletes, and he was allowed as
Speaker 2: an NFL player to smoke ayahuasca. And ayahuasca is a
Speaker 2: substance and it's pretty trippy, and she Vicky Joey Anderson
Speaker 2: kind of brought that in start talking about how people
Speaker 2: use that as a way to separate themselves basically, you know,
Speaker 2: in a way that we use not we I'm saying,
Speaker 2: people use different types of drugs. You know, you go
Speaker 2: on these hallucinogenetic trips, so you know, find your spirit
Speaker 2: animal or your spirit guide and all these crazy things.
Speaker 2: But it gets people high as a kite. And then
Speaker 2: most of the time, and most of the time it's
Speaker 2: not like it's she said, especially in the beginning when
Speaker 2: they do it, it's not a pleasant experience. It's usually
Speaker 2: something very dark, very evil. And she says, as you
Speaker 2: as you get can control it more. It gets slowly
Speaker 2: better and better, to the point where you're going to
Speaker 2: these other levels.
Speaker 1: It's it's intense, it's scary, reaching enlightenment.
Speaker 2: But this stuff, this stuff is a lot of celebrities
Speaker 2: are doing this. This is this is a big deal
Speaker 2: right now. This ayahuasca stuff is a big deal right now.
Speaker 2: This is I mean, I remember that being on ESPN.
Speaker 2: They kept talking debating whether or not that was Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 2: should he have use it or not? And if and
Speaker 2: that's just something that's one guy, and you know how
Speaker 2: many more are probably doing those things?
Speaker 3: Said what scientology? Yeah, it's just you know, now, I just.
Speaker 2: It's just to me, it just blows me away. And
Speaker 2: then she even went into the differences between you know,
Speaker 2: when people say they're abducted by UFOs versus sleep paralysis,
Speaker 2: and bringing in the the kind of the common denome
Speaker 2: or u arcteristics, Yeah, the characteristics of each and how
Speaker 2: how they both are demonic in some form or another.
Speaker 1: So yeah, different costumes, yes, exactly, they.
Speaker 3: Think they're being abducted, but it's really well, just the
Speaker 3: demon's presenting themselves as something.
Speaker 2: Different and it usually usually you're being it's there's some
Speaker 2: differences in the two obviously, but the you know, you're
Speaker 2: always they're always coming to take you, always coming to
Speaker 2: grab you or drag you away, or do something to you,
Speaker 2: do some kind of experiment to you, or something like this,
Speaker 2: and it's it's it's if the devil can put these
Speaker 2: ideas in your head that there are aliens that are
Speaker 2: going to attack you or or or abduct you, or
Speaker 2: you put these things in your head that, oh, if
Speaker 2: I can. And actually it's one of the other things
Speaker 2: is that a lot of these people that smoke this
Speaker 2: ayahuasca says that when they get to a certain point,
Speaker 2: it says that they feel like gods. When they're high
Speaker 2: on this stuff, they get to a plane where they
Speaker 2: say they feel like they're the gods, and so they
Speaker 2: always crave this. It's just like the guard of eating
Speaker 2: all over again. Right right, eat that apple or whatever
Speaker 2: fruit that was from that tree, and you will be
Speaker 2: like God. And that's what people have always been striving for,
Speaker 2: and that's why they try to always conjure up these
Speaker 2: things like but you're trying to find that. But people
Speaker 2: have been trying to find that throughout history, and that's
Speaker 2: why it's so easy for Satan, those demons to reach
Speaker 2: out and grab you is because people always want power,
Speaker 2: People always want that forbidden knowledge the next step, and
Speaker 2: it's something that that there's certain things that first of all,
Speaker 2: when we talk about some things that you know, when
Speaker 2: we talked about Enoch before, there's certain knowledge people were
Speaker 2: not meant to have, and some of those angels came
Speaker 2: down and they gave knowledge in exchange for those for
Speaker 2: human women that they that they lost it after. I mean,
Speaker 2: there's warship and there's things that well, and for their yeah,
Speaker 2: but there's certain things that we were not meant to have.
Speaker 1: And I like how she said too. She said, you know,
Speaker 1: it says in Enoch, you know that they thought they
Speaker 1: knew all these great and wise things, but little did
Speaker 1: they know that God said they only had the worthless ones.
Speaker 1: And she said, so look at it this way, She said,
Speaker 1: would you go to counseling and for wisdom to a
Speaker 1: high school dropout? She said, that's what these filing angels are.
Speaker 1: She said, they're high school dropouts. She said they quit
Speaker 1: before they even got all their education done. She said,
Speaker 1: so you think they got all the wisdom? She said. Furthermore,
Speaker 1: she said, they want the power. So whatever they are
Speaker 1: giving you that you don't have, you're only getting a
Speaker 1: taste of what they even know, which ain't that much
Speaker 1: to begin with. She said, don't get your wisdom from
Speaker 1: high school dropouts.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Oh man, she blew. There's so many different
Speaker 2: little sections in here, all these note I took so
Speaker 2: many notes of her on this stuff. It just was
Speaker 2: amazing to me. But when she started talking about the
Speaker 2: different covenants, and this is what you had alluded to
Speaker 2: earlier with the Last Supper, but prior to that, she
Speaker 2: started talking about the threshold covenants, right, And you always
Speaker 2: heard those old stories, you know.
Speaker 1: What, you've carrying your wife over the threshold.
Speaker 2: Threshold or even look back to like old lore like
Speaker 2: the the Dracula or whatever. The vampire couldn't come into
Speaker 2: your house unless you invited him across the threshold, you know,
Speaker 2: of your house. However, back in history, the way that
Speaker 2: in the way that she described it, it made a lot
Speaker 2: of sense, is the threshold was these large It started
Speaker 2: out as like a large earthen where they'd have their
Speaker 2: their stove, their oven, their fire, and that was your threshold.
Speaker 1: What do they call it a hearth stone or hearthstone.
Speaker 2: So that's where this that that hearth is where you
Speaker 2: would have that's where you you know, you went to
Speaker 2: get warm. That's where you got your food. That's where
Speaker 2: you worshiped. That was that was considered your altar to
Speaker 2: some degree. That's where everybody got around to worship God,
Speaker 2: whatever it was, all the different things. That was your hearth.
Speaker 2: So when you let somebody to your hearth, that was
Speaker 2: that was the center of your house, right, that was
Speaker 2: that was the And over time and this she showed
Speaker 2: great slides of this, but overslides, it went smaller, right,
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, Okay, now we have a
Speaker 2: big fireplace. Okay, it's still there. You know, maybe we're
Speaker 2: not cooking on it because now we have a stove.
Speaker 2: And then it goes to this little fireplace and then
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you look and it's one of
Speaker 2: these fake ones with a and.
Speaker 1: A TV thing. The God now the altar.
Speaker 2: And that's it, and that's our alter. Now we've changed
Speaker 2: that to the point where this is where we commune
Speaker 2: with God. So now we're sitting on the couch watching
Speaker 2: little house on the prairie. Who knows, but we're it.
Speaker 2: We've totally changed our focus. We used to come together
Speaker 2: at the threshold at the altar to that's where we
Speaker 2: met to worship God with our family, with our with
Speaker 2: our friends. And it's gotten to the point now where
Speaker 2: we've let that go in our houses and we're so
Speaker 2: easy to go. Well, I went to church on Sunday.
Speaker 2: I did my part where really we should be in
Speaker 2: God's word every day, which is what they would have
Speaker 2: done in the past, you know, but it would have
Speaker 2: been at the threshold in the house. And you know,
Speaker 2: and to the point now where the threshold now has
Speaker 2: even come out to the door. There's just she had
Speaker 2: some great.
Speaker 1: And the threshold covenant too, you know. She talked about
Speaker 1: you know how you know, vampires got to be invited in,
Speaker 1: you know, uh, to let these demons and stuff in,
Speaker 1: You've got to open a door. You got to invite
Speaker 1: them in. You know. It went on and it said
Speaker 1: that even Jesus, you know, is a you know, yet
Speaker 1: say thank God he's spiritual, right, yeah, And she used
Speaker 1: you know, Revelation three twenty and it showed that painting
Speaker 1: of him standing in front of the door knock and
Speaker 1: it says, behold, I stand at the door and knock.
Speaker 1: If any man hear my voice and open the door,
Speaker 1: I will come in to him and I will sup
Speaker 1: with him and he with me. So she's saying, it's
Speaker 1: kind of like rules of engagement for spiritual beings with
Speaker 1: earthly fleshy beings, that we have to invite them in.
Speaker 2: You think about our our our our altar. Now really
Speaker 2: is the Holy Spirit lives in us. It's in our spirit.
Speaker 2: It's the same way God's knocking on our heart and
Speaker 2: wants to come in. And our soul really our hearth,
Speaker 2: our hearth exactly our inner, our most entered and that's
Speaker 2: exactly I mean, that's what it turns into. So then
Speaker 2: we learned about salt salt, the salt and bread covenants.
Speaker 1: Yes, and you ever heard the old saying, you know,
Speaker 1: I'll take this with a grain of salt, or he's
Speaker 1: not worth his weight in salt. That's where that all
Speaker 1: come from. But they would make agreements, contracts, covenants with salt,
Speaker 1: and uh, what I thought was just like mind blowing.
Speaker 1: She was talking about that, and she was like, you know,
Speaker 1: you ever heard that phrase or this or that? And
Speaker 1: you know, she's like, that's because it all originated from
Speaker 1: these covenants and agreements, you know, with salt. And she said,
Speaker 1: now I want to show you something, she said, probably
Speaker 1: gonna blow your mind. And she pulled up the last Supper.
Speaker 1: You know, I think that was Leonardo da Vinci, and
Speaker 1: it sounds right. It was zoomed in. Yeah. And if
Speaker 1: you've ever noticed, but Judas at the table has his
Speaker 1: elbow on the table and he's leaning over like he's
Speaker 1: trying to, you know, listen in to whatever Jesus trying
Speaker 1: to say. He put a little easter egg in that painting. Uh,
Speaker 1: he's knocked over a salt container and the salt spill. Wow,
Speaker 1: he broke the salt covenant. And it said that when
Speaker 1: Jesus you know, took the bread and you know it
Speaker 1: was dipping it, you know, and giving it stuff like that,
Speaker 1: that it was real common back then. She caught it
Speaker 1: like a fish sauce or something like this, some kind
Speaker 1: of officialty. But it was real salty, real salty, you know,
Speaker 1: something they would dip bread in for for flavor and taste.
Speaker 1: And she said, you know, it's a probably a good
Speaker 1: possibility that you know, that was there, and that was
Speaker 1: like a salt covenant, you know, being performed but.
Speaker 2: She called salt and bread covenants because you break bread
Speaker 2: with someone. It was also like, that's it's kind of
Speaker 2: like the old blood blood blood Brothers thing. You know,
Speaker 2: you're you're spit in your hand, and you know it's
Speaker 2: you make a vow a covenant with those people. And
Speaker 2: and it's the same thing right there, you broke bread
Speaker 2: with them, that that's that covenant you're making with them.
Speaker 2: And then you know what, and then and then Judas
Speaker 2: spills the salt as a as a as a little
Speaker 2: easter egg in there, as you said, to show that
Speaker 2: he's breaking his end of it. And that really that
Speaker 2: was whoa hold out a sec That's pretty intense.
Speaker 1: And what's really cool is I didn't really you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not real artsy guy, but uh I seen a
Speaker 1: video one time. You have, you know, you see those
Speaker 1: inspirational video you know, were preachers and stuff talking and
Speaker 1: I don't remember who this was, but I remember I
Speaker 1: seen it on Facebook and it was something similar to this,
Speaker 1: showing like an easter egg and a painting and this
Speaker 1: preacher or evangelist speaker or whatever it was telling this
Speaker 1: story and he said there was a world champion chess
Speaker 1: player and went to this art museum and was in
Speaker 1: the group and they were walking around showing all these paintings. Well,
Speaker 1: they made this one painting and it was the devil
Speaker 1: playing chess with an angel, and the devils sitting across
Speaker 1: just smiling, looking all confident, you know, and the angels
Speaker 1: kind of sitting there, leaning over with his hand on
Speaker 1: his head like he's stressed out, you know, he's defeated.
Speaker 1: And the person that was doing the tours like, and
Speaker 1: this painting is by such and such and it's called checkmate.
Speaker 1: Here the angel has lost with the devil, and you
Speaker 1: know it was painted you know, such and such time.
Speaker 1: Now whatever, she said, moving along, and she went to
Speaker 1: go walking, and of course the chess player just stopped,
Speaker 1: you know, was just staring at the painting, and he
Speaker 1: stood there for you know, ten minutes or so, and
Speaker 1: then they realized, you know, hey, we lost one. So
Speaker 1: they went back and he was standing in front of
Speaker 1: that painting and she said, sir, yeah, keep moving along,
Speaker 1: you know, we need to keep moving. And he was like,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to change this painting or change the
Speaker 1: name of it. And she's like, well, what do you mean.
Speaker 1: He says, well, I'm a I'm a world champion chess player.
Speaker 1: This is not a checkmate. And she's like, what do
Speaker 1: you mean and he says, look closely, he said, the
Speaker 1: king still has one more move, right, God, the king
Speaker 1: has one more move So it's like these artists, you know,
Speaker 1: put these little easter eggs in there for somebody with who.
Speaker 3: Has the wisdom to look at it and figure.
Speaker 1: And see it. So the same thing with that last
Speaker 1: supper in the Salt Covenant.
Speaker 2: She was awesome, like I really enjoyed that, and.
Speaker 1: You can think it was about that with that book
Speaker 1: already really.
Speaker 2: Well, you can find her stuff at at Vicky joy
Speaker 2: Anderson dot com. I have the book. I bought it.
Speaker 2: I have not read it yet, I'll be honest. But
Speaker 2: then again, it's only been a few days. So I
Speaker 2: got like five other books I'm reading at the same time.
Speaker 2: And it's on top of that one day, well, on
Speaker 2: top of that one God wrote, you know, he got
Speaker 2: to find time for that one too, So you know,
Speaker 2: it's there's so much good information. I love. We were
Speaker 2: at that thing. It took things, you know, it was
Speaker 2: a spiritual warfare conference.
Speaker 1: It was very.
Speaker 2: Intense. I mean, it was very things that were you know,
Speaker 2: it's not things they talk about in church. This is
Speaker 2: something that you know, I firmly believe. And some of
Speaker 2: those people there I think had been spurned by the
Speaker 2: church a few times because because of their viewpoints and
Speaker 2: things of that nature. And I think that's sad because
Speaker 2: I really believe that the church itself as a whole
Speaker 2: has one main mission. That's to make disciples right. Number
Speaker 2: one thing is they should be bringing and saving people.
Speaker 2: You know that that's the whole point, is teaching them
Speaker 2: Jesus salvation. However, after that, it's up to us, right,
Speaker 2: It's not a one and done thing. The whole point
Speaker 2: is that about this spiritual war that's going on, is
Speaker 2: that we put on that armor of God, as was
Speaker 2: said about fifty times this weekend, and we get out
Speaker 2: there on the front lines and we fight. We are
Speaker 2: the ones that are on the on the front lines
Speaker 2: of this. As we keep pushing forward and keep preaching
Speaker 2: the good word and keep trying to keep people's eyes
Speaker 2: on Jesus, keep people's eyes on God's word and push forward.
Speaker 2: I think that's so important. I think we get we
Speaker 2: get trapped sometimes in and once again I have to
Speaker 2: preface it and say our church is amazing. I don't
Speaker 2: believe our church is that way at all, But there
Speaker 2: is a lot of churches, and I've been in a
Speaker 2: lot of churches that are that way, where you know,
Speaker 2: it's it's Jesus loves me every day, every sermon, and
Speaker 2: he does. But after that, what's next? Like, what is
Speaker 2: the next step?
Speaker 3: No guidance?
Speaker 1: You have to love how Derek Gilbert said. He said,
Speaker 1: you know, Jesus is not how did he word that,
Speaker 1: Jesus is not your feel good I don't remember what
Speaker 1: he said. Jesus is not your feel good daily sermon,
Speaker 1: you know, talking about you know, just you know, the prosperity,
Speaker 1: you know, preaching and stuff like that, he said. He said,
Speaker 1: this is my firm belief. He said, if our you
Speaker 1: know forefathers you know, and ancient you know church fathers
Speaker 1: and people of Jesus' time, he said, seeing how you
Speaker 1: know work lazy and complacent that we are and taking
Speaker 1: all the supernatural stuff out of the Bible, he said,
Speaker 1: they would grab us up by the collar. He said,
Speaker 1: they would slap us ceiling.
Speaker 2: And I one hundred percent and after I'm the guidance
Speaker 2: of Tom done and that was one thing that he
Speaker 2: had said. He goes, you don't think this is this stuff,
Speaker 2: you know, you don't think this stuff should happen, or
Speaker 2: you don't think the church would be involved in this.
Speaker 2: Read Acts, and that's what I've read this week, is
Speaker 2: I've been going through Acts, and I've been taking a
Speaker 2: lot of notes because my gosh, those guys and there's
Speaker 2: some really interesting things in there that I've never quite
Speaker 2: known that well, I shouldn't say knowing, but it really
Speaker 2: haven't really seen. But it it talks about I always
Speaker 2: thought that the Holy Spirit is someone who would just
Speaker 2: kind of you know, lead you you know, not really,
Speaker 2: but it blatantly says an Axe multiple times the Holy
Speaker 2: Spirit told him this. The Holy Spirit talk to people.
Speaker 2: And on top of that, there was a there was
Speaker 2: a wizard or sorcerer they said, named Simon right in
Speaker 2: Acts that actually ended up being converted even though he
Speaker 2: was able to do all this, you know, some of
Speaker 2: the supernatural things, probably calling on obviously some of these
Speaker 2: fallen angels. But it says that this this wizard saw
Speaker 2: that they were full of the Holy Spirit. Now he
Speaker 2: saw they were full of it. He didn't just say like, oh, Yo,
Speaker 2: they you know, they're no, you can when someone's full
Speaker 2: of the Holy Spirit, it's a visible thing. There's something there,
Speaker 2: and man, I want that. Man, I think we all
Speaker 2: should want that. And it shows it right there in
Speaker 2: acts they're full of the Holy Spirit. They could see it.
Speaker 2: The Holy Spirit spoke to them. And it's just something
Speaker 2: that we just need to keep pushing into and just
Speaker 2: keep learning because man, and actually even that Simon guy
Speaker 2: he got I think it was Peter Peter uh kind
Speaker 2: of came at him after because that Simon said, whatever
Speaker 2: it costs, I will buy that power to be that power.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean he spurned him and said, no,
Speaker 2: that's not how this works. But man, I just it
Speaker 2: blows me away the way that you can visibly see
Speaker 2: the Holy Spirit. And I like to think, you know,
Speaker 2: I you know, you never know how somebody else sees you,
Speaker 2: but I'd like to think that when somebody sees me,
Speaker 2: they see somebody who who follows God, somebody who you know,
Speaker 2: has a desire to follow what God's telling him to do.
Speaker 2: I hope that people see that in me, and and
Speaker 2: if not, I have a whole lot of work to do.
Speaker 2: And if they do, I still have a whole lot
Speaker 2: of work to do, but the whole point is we
Speaker 2: keep pushing forward.
Speaker 1: Which my only regret, and it's kind of like a
Speaker 1: PTPD thing. Our last speaker of the night was David Hevner.
Speaker 1: We skipped out on that one and guilty is charged. Uh.
Speaker 1: We took our dinner break and went to a place
Speaker 1: to eat, you know again. And the Tennessee game was
Speaker 1: like in the final quarter and if anybody you know
Speaker 1: watched that game new with a nail biter, that was
Speaker 1: so it's like, I We're gonna stay and see this
Speaker 1: to the.
Speaker 3: End, especially as close as it was.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean I looked over at Kesha and I was like,
Speaker 3: Alabama just lost, you know, mister field goal. I said,
Speaker 3: what's the chances of us missing ours? Too? I was like,
Speaker 3: And then when it kind of did that little.
Speaker 1: Wobble that knuckleball, Yeah, I was like, what's crazy. It's like,
Speaker 1: I know for a fact, you know, when they finally
Speaker 1: got you know, in range and there was two seconds left,
Speaker 1: Oh man, my hands folded. I was like, oh god, please,
Speaker 1: I'm sure, Davie, And that's what I'm getting. That was like,
Speaker 1: you know, tenn Seeson, you know in the Bible, bell
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And I sitting there, I
Speaker 1: was like, please, God, give give David one, Goliath, you know,
Speaker 1: give the little guy one. Come on, God, please, you know,
Speaker 1: and UH ended up winning you on. Like I said,
Speaker 1: I know, I wasn't the only one. I mean, I
Speaker 1: say every Tennessee fan that was what was praying at
Speaker 1: the same time. And I swear I think divine intervention happened.
Speaker 1: Now hear me out, hear me out. You shake it, smile.
Speaker 2: I don't think God cares who wins the fun, No.
Speaker 1: He don't. But the prayers of a righteous man avail
Speaker 1: us much. And we're two or more gathered in my name,
Speaker 1: I will be there. That's what scripture tells us. Okay,
Speaker 1: here's what I'm getting at the next day, it was
Speaker 1: in the news. The earth shook. Look it up. There
Speaker 1: was seismic activity at the exact time when Alabama missed
Speaker 1: their field goal and when we made the field goal.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Coincidence. Maybe I think.
Speaker 2: That it's because it's such a big stadium. Everybody's jumping
Speaker 2: up and down. I think that's probably what.
Speaker 1: Don't you do supernaturalize?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm gonna d do you supernaturalize the
Speaker 2: football game?
Speaker 1: Yes, we'll pray for Ben. We'll pray for him.
Speaker 3: Well, we'll always pray for God.
Speaker 1: God intervened for the little guy.
Speaker 3: It was that sound, you know, moving stuff with sounds.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and the word was God.
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