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Speaker 2: Listener discretion is advised. He asked me not to talk

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talk to the media. I want to talk to you

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any quote unquote said Rodney. We actually thought he'd be

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home by Christmas. I said, well, you can't come home

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if you're fucking dead.

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Speaker 3: Final Sword and Scale until April. So this is two

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eighty three, season twelve.

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Speaker 1: Let's go.

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Speaker 3: All right, no reason to further delay.

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Speaker 1: Let's get right into it.

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Speaker 1: Here's the show. Adam J.

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Speaker 3: Chase was born in October of nineteen eighty to his parents,

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Linden and Sylvia, in Gorham, New York. Growing up, Adam

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wasn't exactly the outdoorsy type. He spent most of his

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days inside playing computer games on his PC while his

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peers sped past his bedroom window on their BMX bikes,

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enjoying the beautiful nature that the Finger Legs region of

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Upstate New York has to offer. By high school, Adam's

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introverted personality hadn't changed much. In short, he was a nerd,

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not in a bad way, but you were more likely

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to catch him at the local renaissance fair dressed up

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in costume and festering on a fried turkey leg, and

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you were to spot him at let's say, sporting event.

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Speaker 2: Or party private persons. There was nothing wrong with Adam

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except Adam was Adam. He wasn't a real sociable person

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other her own family.

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Speaker 3: He loved his family, so when he met Rose, a

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girl one year younger than him, while attending Marcus Whitman High,

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Adam welcomed the attention from the opposite sex, something he

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hadn't exactly known prior. Adam was by no means the

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popular kid in school, but he did have a few

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core gaming buddies he hung around with. Rose, on the

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other hand, was much more of an outcast and struggled

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in school due to her dyslexia. As a result, she

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was subjected to more than.

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Speaker 1: Her fair share of bullying.

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Speaker 3: Adam came to a rescue on more than one occasion,

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and after learning that they shared an interest in sci

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fi movies in particular, it wasn't long before the two

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began dating, it seemed as though he'd found his fair maiden.

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Rose was just as eager to dress up in ornamental

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attire and accompany her new prince charming to his favorite

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historical events, celebrating the days of yesteryear. Just a couple

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of geeks, young and in love. A sweet but in

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terms of academics, Adam wasn't quite the stereotypical bookworm. In fact,

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he was pretty much the opposite and ended up dropping

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out right before his senior year. He eventually earned his

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ged before bouncing from one menial job to the next

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while his girlfriend Rose remained in high school. To the

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frustration of Rose's mother, Patty, Adam tried to convince his

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girlfriend to drop out along with him, hoping to jump

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start their new life together. Unfortunately for Adam, Rose's mother

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wasn't having it and insisted she finished school. Shortly after graduation,

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the now nineteen year old Rose and twenty year old

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Adam wasted no time trying to tie the knot and

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got married in two thousand and one. They moved into

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Patty's house while saving up to get a place of

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their own. By this point, Adam worked more low paying

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jobs than anyone would care to admit, selling anything from

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windows to used cars. Meanwhile, Rose secured a position working

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at a local factory. Between their two incomes, the newlyweds

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eventually managed to squirrel away enough cash to buy a

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small trailer in the nearby town of Bristol, New York.

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It wasn't much, but you know, it was theirs, and

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after years of trying, Rose became pregnant with their first child.

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Their son, Tristan, was born in two thousand and seven.

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From that moment on, Adam dedicated his life to fatherhood

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and quit his job to become a stay at home

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dad full time. As for Rose, she was eventually given

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a promotion at the factory and soon became the sole breadwinner.

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put a down payment on their first home in Stanley,

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New York, a big white colonial farmhouse with an oversized

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porch overlooking half an acre of remote land. Adam's mother

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and father also lived in Stanley, which meant baby Tristan

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got to spend quality time with his grandparents whenever Adam

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needed a break from his duty. Says mister mom. Lyndon

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and Sylvia Chase were happy to take Tristan whenever they

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had the chance. This was helpful because Adam and Rose

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now had a hefty mortgage payment to take care of.

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but struggled to lock down anything full time. Even so,

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he and his wife Rose found a way, as life does,

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and around the time their son was about to start kindergarten,

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Adam finally landed a low paying gig working as a

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student loan debt collector, the kind of guy I'm sure

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we all love. From the outside looking in, things seemed

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to be fine for Adam Rose Chase, that is until

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midsummer of twenty twelve rolled around. On the evening of

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June fourteenth, twenty twelve, Rose Chase showed up at Adam's

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parents' home to pick up their son, Tristan.

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Speaker 4: Mother's intuition, but I knew something was definitely wrong.

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Speaker 3: Before Sylvia could even open her mouth, Rose explained that

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she and Adam had gotten into a fight earlier that

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day and that she hadn't seen him since. Rose claimed

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that in the midst of a heated argument, Adam punched

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a hole in the upstairs wall before storming down the

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steps and out of the house. Rose said that she

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was certain Adam would be back in no time, thinking

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he'd simply be gone for a walk around the neighborhood

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cool off. According to Rose, that was around eleven am,

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roughly seven hours before. In addition, he had left his

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cell phone behind after night fell over Stanley, New York,

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and Adam still hadn't returned home. It was at that

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point that Rose said she drove to Sylvia's to inform

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her that her son had disappeared. After delivering this troubling news,

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Rose quickly gathered up her own son and was at

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the door. Sylvia's head was spinning. She tried to convince

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herself that her son was somewhere safe, but when morning

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came and there was still no sign of Adam, that

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anxious feeling in the pit of her stomach began to tighten.

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Speaker 5: My son always called me when someone was up, always

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either me or his day.

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Speaker 3: At After a sleepless night, Sylvia was forced to begin

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her shift at the local public school where she worked,

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with no indication of where her son had gone. Shortly

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after arriving, she spoke with a resource officer at the

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school to express her concerns given the fact that it

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had been roughly twenty four hours since Adam was last

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seen or heard from. The officer encouraged Adam's mother to

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file a missing persons report right away, which is exactly

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what Sylvia Chase did on the morning of June fifteenth,

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twenty twelve. Later that same day, a deputy with the

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Ontario County Sheriff's Department called up Adam's wife, Rose on

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the phone, provided that she was the last one to

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have seen Adam. Naturally, Rose was the person authorities wanted

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to speak with.

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Speaker 2: The cher's department called her on Friday night and wanted

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to ask her questions instead of going to the house

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and asking if they could walk around and make sure

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that he wasn't eiding her in some place in the house.

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Speaker 3: During that telephone conversation, Rose told officers that the day

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Adam went missing, their four year olds son was staying

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with Adam's mother, Sylvia, which was true, but Rose expanded

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on the original story she'd told Adam's mother by informing

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police that before Adam walked off, he'd called out of work.

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Adam's boss later confirmed the police that he had called

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in sick, but that it was hours after his shift

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had already begun, which, according to his employer, was uncharacteristic

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of him. Rose went on to explain to the officer

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that Adam wasn't actually sick, but had taken the day

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off so that he could discuss some marital issues they'd

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been having. Rose alluded to the deputy over the phone

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that there'd been some infidelity going on in their relationship.

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This was obviously a red flag, or at least it

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should have been. Without going into further detail. At the time,

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Rose told the officer about the argument that broke out,

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causing Adam to punch the wall and angrily walk out

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of the house. A few days later, on June eighteenth,

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investigators arrived at Rose's residence on Stanley to meet with

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her in person for the first time since Adam mysteriously disappeared.

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During that visit, Rose consented to a search of her

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and Adam's property, at which time police dogs began scouring

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the woods surrounding the farmhouse. While all of that was

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going on, investigators sat down to chat with Rose face

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to face. She reiterated that the last time she saw

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her husband was four days prior, on June fourteenth, While

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in the home, Rose was kind enough to lead officers

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upstairs to show them the hole that Adam had allegedly

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punched his fist through. While canines circled in the backyard,

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Rose suddenly produced a typewritten note to police that she

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claimed Adam had left behind. The exact contents of this

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note are unknown, but it was something to the effect

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of I'm never coming back, good riddance. After hours of

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searching outside, the dogs ultimately failed to pick up any

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trace of Adam outdoors. Authorities then asked Rose if the

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dogs could search inside the home. At first, she was hesitant.

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She told officers she was worried about the canines dragging

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mud inside. She also said that her dogs don't play

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well with others, But after some brief hesitation, Rose eventually complied.

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The dogs proceeded to lead authorities through the second story

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of the home, but when it came time to check

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the basement, Rose became even more apprehensive. She told police

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that the basement was somewhat of a mess due to

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the rodent infestation, and there was also some flooding caused

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by a bad sewer pump. But despite her reluctance, she

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eventually gave in to authorities once more and allowed them

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to continue the search. When they asked Rose if there

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was a light to the basement, she told them that

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there was, but that it had been broken. As officers

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walked down the cellar steps with their two canines leading

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the way, they found a light switch on the wall,

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and weirdly enough, it worked.

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Speaker 1: It worked as fine.

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Speaker 3: In addition, the basement wasn't flooded at all. The one

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thing Rose was right about, though, is that the basement

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was disgusting. The dogs proceeded to roam through the bottom

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dwelling of the residence, which was filled with piles of junk,

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including kids toys, rotten pieces of wood, an old door,

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and you know, other crap. While there was a slight

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musk in the air, the canines made no significant hit

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in the basement whatsoever, and all that they found were

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some dead rodents. After returning back upstairs, Rose delivered some

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alarming news. She told police that she believed Adam had

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returned to the house in days following his disappearance to

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retrieve his cell phone, which was now missing.

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Speaker 1: That was all the.

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Speaker 3: Information Rose had to offer during this particular visit, and

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after the canines and deputies alike came up empty handed.

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They eventually left the home, seemingly no closer to solving

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the disappearance of the young father. The following day, Adam's

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family began receiving some strange text messages sent from Adam's phone.

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Chase's sisters say there were two texts on June nineteenth,

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one to each of their parents.

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Speaker 6: It said, staying with a friend in Canandagua.

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Speaker 2: Need time to think.

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Speaker 3: These texts were sent to both Adam's father, Linden and

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his mother Sylvia at the time. Sylvia tried to call

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Adam's phone back in me idiately, but by the time

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she did, it had already been turned off and Sylvia's

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call went directly to voicemail. After notifying the police about

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the texts, investigators were able to ping Adam's device to

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an area in Canadagua as its last known location, just

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like the text message set, but after searching the area

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roughly twelve miles north of where Adam was last seen,

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there was no trace of him or his phone. Adam's

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face was seen on virtually every telephone, poll and corner

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store window in upstate New York. At the foot of

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his Missing Persons Flyer was an address to a Facebook

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page helped bring Adam Chase home. It had been created

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by his sisters as a public space dedicated to any

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updates or developments regarding his whereabouts. Eventually, the overwhelming publicity

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of this case caught the eye of Rodney Miller, Ontario

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County deputy turned private investigator.

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Speaker 2: Well, my name's Rodney G. Miller. I'm seventy three years old.

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But years ago, in nineteen eighty I got hired by

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Ontario County as a deputy.

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Speaker 3: Rodney doesn't do zoom interviews. Some people are very particular

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about very random thing, so we sent one of our

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producers to Stanley, New York to interview him in person.

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Back in the nineteen eighties, Rodney Miller was a patrol

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cop for the better part of the decade and led

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the county in dui arrests.

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Speaker 2: When I went to work, I went to work to work.

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I didn't go to work to goof off. I did

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my job. My record would speak for itself.

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Speaker 3: But despite years of dedication to serving his community, the

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veteran officer was fired after refusing to go back to

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working overnight shifts.

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Speaker 2: It was about shift change, He told me when I

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come back to work after my two days were off,

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I'd be going back on a night shift. And I said,

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that's not going to happen. They came the next morning

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toil me that they won my cars, my gunner badge,

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and my keys. Then I was terminated.

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Speaker 3: After he was leto from the force in nineteen eighty six,

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Rodney began working mostly on insurance fraud cases as an

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independent PI. Fast forward years later to the summer of

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twenty twelve. After returning home from a case he'd been

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tackling out in Pennsylvania, Rodney learned that the person who'd

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been missing for more than two weeks by that point

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was a local man he'd known personally for quite some time.

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Speaker 2: I knew there was a boy missing, but I did

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not know it was Adam until I came home from

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Pennsylvania from a trip. And then my wife said, well,

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do you know who the boy is missing from Stanley?

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And I said no, She goes it's Adam Chase, And

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all I said to her was, well, where's he gonna go.

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He doesn't have that many friends to go any place.

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Speaker 3: Rodney's son went to high school without him. He's known

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the Chase family for years. Rodney also knew what kind

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of person Adam was. An introvert, so when he heard

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that the sheriff's department was treating the case like a

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missing person's investigation, it didn't make sense. Already, with a

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bad taste in his mouth and grievances towards the Ontario

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County Sheriff's Department, he decided to drop by the Chase

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family home on July fourth, twenty twelve.

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Speaker 2: When I went to see them, Lennon asked me, what's up,

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and I said, why, come to help you find your son.

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Speaker 3: During that first meeting with Adam's family, Sylvia showed Rodney

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a photo. It was a picture of Adam's wife, Rose,

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and she was with another man. The picture was taken

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in a local park, roughly one week before Adam disappeared.

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Rodney also learned that Adam had long suspected Rose of

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cheating before he went missing, and had expressed those suspicions

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to his loved ones. In turn, Adam's sisters Jessica and

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Becky decided to follow Rose that day, only to find

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their brother's wife up to another guy on a park bench.

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They quickly snapped the photo without being seen before running home,

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printing out the image and giving it to Adam.

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Speaker 7: When they first showed Adam the picture, I told him

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it's just me on the park bench dating because that's

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to me.

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Speaker 8: And what it looked like.

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Speaker 7: And I tried Tom otherwise.

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Speaker 2: Once she got confirmed with that photo that was her

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gay friend. There were little things that were being told

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that raised a lot of suspicion.

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Speaker 3: But Adam's mother was worried and had already reported all

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this to the police. But Adam's family didn't feel like

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they were treating this investigative lead with any sense of urgency.

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Before Rodney left the Chase family home that day, he

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promised Adam's parents that he would find out what happened

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to their son, and from that moment on, he began

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working the case independently, free of charge.

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Speaker 2: I wasn't asked for any financial money or nothing. I

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just went there to tell him that I thought I

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could help him find Adam.

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Speaker 9: Terro Connie Sheriff Stepan.

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Speaker 5: He's are asking for your help tonight finding a missing man,

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they say.

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Speaker 6: Thirty one year old Adam Chase went missing on June.

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Speaker 3: Fourteenth, following a heated argument with his wife, In June

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of twenty twelve, thirty one year old Adam Chase walked

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off his front porch in Stanley, New York and never returned.

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But when Rodney Miller, a former deputy turned private investigator,

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heard the news, it didn't sit right with him. He

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was close to the family and knew that Adam wasn't

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the type of guy to just disappear. Not sure if

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I know the guy that just disappears though.

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Speaker 1: Anyway.

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Speaker 3: That's when he began an investigation of his own, working

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on the case pro bono and without the help of police.

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Several weeks after Adam went missing, Rodney Millard drove to

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the place where he was last seen to speak with

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his wife Rose.

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Speaker 2: The day I went to see her. When I pulled

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in and I went up and introduced myself, we were

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at the side of the house by there were two

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porches on that house. There was a side porch and

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there was a front porch. When I was a youngster

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in school, that was one of my hangouts. That house.

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The family that used to live there in Lipping Cuts

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were very good friends of mine and still are to

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this day. So I knew that house almost like the

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back of my hand.

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Speaker 3: Rodney never stepped foot inside of Rose's house that day,

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but he wasn't shy and letting her know that he

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was fairly certain she had something to do with her

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husband's disappearance.

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Speaker 2: She's setting on this back porch, She's facing towards the house,

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and she's looking right into the window of the cellar.

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She's setting down the steps, and I used an old

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trick that I was taught. I got close to her

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and I touched her on her shoulder, and she shook

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like a leaf and I got right down and I'm

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right beside her face, and I in a whisper, I

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say to her, Rose, I know about the fight that

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she had upstairs in the hole in the wall. And

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she trembled for maybe twenty five or fifteen seconds, and

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all of a sudden, she springs right up, turns around,

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the stands right in front of me and says, I'm sorry.

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He walked out of the house and I didn't see

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which way he went. And I looked right at her

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and told her to her face, I think you killed him.

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Speaker 3: Naturally, to Rose, these allegations were outlandish, and she just

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denied being involved in anything of the sort. But that

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was all it took for her to opt out of

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the conversation altogether. Rose said her goodbyes to Rodney Miller

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before shut flying back inside her house. After departing from Rose,

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Rodney was on his way back to pay someone else

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to visit a former colleague, give his Ontario County Sheriff,

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Phil Pavero.

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Speaker 2: I left her house and went to the Sheriff's house,

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sat on his ports with him, and told him that

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I don't believe he ever left the house.

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Speaker 3: Imagine having good reason to believe that something is true,

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screaming it from the rooftops, only to have your words

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fall on deaf ears. I can relate. But that's exactly

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how Rodney Miller felt working this case. Even so, he

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chose to push forward and urged the sheriff to start

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looking at Adam Chase's disappearance from a different angle. But

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according to what Rodney told us, the sheriff wasn't interested.

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Speaker 2: He couldn't tell me what they'd done or were doing,

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because that was none of my business, which I understood.

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I wasn't asking for that. I was telling him what

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I felt, And he said, off the record, we think

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he committed suicide. We're going to find him out in

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the woods of the fields, and that was the summer.

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We were having two to hundred and some degree days,

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and if he was in the fields of the woods,

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the buzzards would have told us where he was. And

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I disagreed with him and told him that I don't

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think he ever left the house.

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Speaker 3: By this point, investigators had already visited over ten hotels

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in the area, as well as a local cemetery where

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one of Adam's friends had recently been buried, thinking maybe

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the missing thirty one year old father had been distraught

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and took his own life in that very location, But

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just like the searches of his home, nothing was found

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at the cemetery. Despite his suspicions of Adam's wife, Rose,

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the sheriff essentially ignored Rodney and told him to let

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the police handle it. In the eyes of law enforcement,

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Rose had been cooperative up to that point, and there

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was reason to consider her a suspect. With that being said,

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authorities did stop by Rose's residence a second time that July.

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When Rose invited the deputies in, they noticed a man

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sitting on the couch and at sure as hell wasn't Adam.

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Speaker 2: The gay friend moved in two days after Adam went missing.

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Speaker 3: It took a moment for authorities to realize that the

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man sitting there had a striking resemblance to the individual

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seen in the photo from the park weeks before aka

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Rose's gay friend Mark. During that police visit, Rose started

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to event more openly to the officers. She told them

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that Adam had stopped paying attention to her romantically in

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the days leading up to his disappearance. She went on

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to say that all he ever wanted to do was

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play video games on his computer, that she was fed

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up with him, and if Adam were to walk through

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the front door at that very moment, she wouldn't take

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him back. Rose then asked the deputies something rather strange.

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When she inquired about the process of filing for divorce.

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Rose also said she was going to sell Adam's motorcycle,

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almost inferring that he wouldn't be coming back to get it.

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The officer then flat out asked Rose if she killed

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her husband, to which she said no. The deputy then

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suggested she call a lawyer regarding the divorce before leaving

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the residents. On July tenth, twenty twelve, Rose was interviewed

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by The Daily Messenger, a local publication in town, and

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was quoted in the paper stating the following.

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Speaker 10: I just want to make sure he's safe and that

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he knows people miss him. We do miss him. I

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just hope it ends on a happy note.

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Speaker 3: Rose Chase began popping up on virtually every local news

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station in Ontario County and never seemed to pass up

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an opportunity when it came to press. During almost all

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of these televised appearances, Rose pleaded for her husband Adam

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to come home in hopes that he might be out

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there somewhere watching Adam.

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Speaker 11: If you are seeing this, can you please come home

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to your family.

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Speaker 12: They really do miss you.

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Speaker 11: And if anybody knows where Adam is, please contact Interior

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County Sheriffs so this way the family can know how

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he is and that he's okay.

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Speaker 3: While Rose was seemingly reveling in the local media spotlight,

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behind the scenes, she continued to speak with law enforcement

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on several occasions, but to the frustration of Adam's family,

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nothing seemed to come out of it. As a result, Then,

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on Saturday, July twenty eighth, Rodney Miller drove back to

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Rose's house for another visit, at which point he asked

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her if he could search Adam's car that hadn't left

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the driveway since the day he disappeared.

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Speaker 2: She was outside again when I pulled in, walking around

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with her in the sun. I introduced myself again. She remembers,

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she said, she remembered me, and I asked her if

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she popped the trunk of the car and I could

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make sure that Adam was in there. She did that,

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and then I asked her if we could go inside

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and walk through the house, and she told me I could.

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Speaker 3: Rose took Rodney upstairs first, and the two proceeded to

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walk every square inch of the second floor.

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Speaker 2: She showed me the hole a wall, and she showed

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me where he played his games and stuff, and the

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house was literally a mess. They weren't the best of housekeepers.

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As we're walking back down, the boyfriend sat down the

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couch about fifteen feet from me, and that was Mark Broadhurst.

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Speaker 3: Before leaving the house that day, Rodney had one last

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request for Rose, and that was to look around the basement.

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Speaker 2: I asked Rose, can I look go down in the basement.

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She said, no, it's flooded, And I said well, at

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least let me look. And she opened the door and

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turned on the light, and the basement floor was as

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dry as could be, And I said, do you mind

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if I go down, And on the third step I

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smelled him.

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Speaker 3: Before Rodney even got halfway down the basement stairs, the

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foul odor of decay hit him like a ton of bricks.

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When he asked Rose about the smell, she pointed out

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several dead animals scattered among the concrete floor.

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Speaker 2: They were like a dead squirrel. And I forget what

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was there, but there was a couple of carcasses laying

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on the floor. And she said, I have let her

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road problems in the house.

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Speaker 3: He couldn't see much. It was extremely dark. Though there

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was one light working in the basement, an entire corner

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remained unlit.

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Speaker 2: The back part of the basement she took taken all

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the lights out, and that did have a little water

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on the floor, not to wetch your shoe.

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Speaker 3: Just then Rodney stumbled upon an oversized freezer, the kind

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big enough for a body.

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00:29:00,359 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 2: There was a chess freezer in the one corner of

480
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,559
the basement, and I asked her to open it so

481
00:29:05,599 --> 00:29:08,240
I could look in there, and that just I think

482
00:29:08,279 --> 00:29:09,480
relatively was empty.

483
00:29:10,079 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 3: After failing to find anything when it comes to physical evidence,

484
00:29:14,759 --> 00:29:17,000
Rose walked Rodney out to his car.

485
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:19,559
Speaker 2: We walked back up and she came back out, and

486
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,079
she's walking in the yard with me, and she's walking

487
00:29:22,119 --> 00:29:25,119
beside me, and I have a specific question I want

488
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,160
to ask her. I'm looking for an answer. I said

489
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,480
to Rose, what are you going to do if one

490
00:29:30,519 --> 00:29:33,519
of these knights Adam comes home, walks in the house

491
00:29:34,279 --> 00:29:36,799
and you're in bed with another man. And she says

492
00:29:36,799 --> 00:29:39,920
to me. She starts to say, he ain't and she

493
00:29:40,079 --> 00:29:43,400
caught herself and she goes, I'm not taking him back,

494
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,880
but she said what I wanted her to, he ain't

495
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:47,559
coming back.

496
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 1: And that was that.

497
00:29:51,039 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 3: From there, Rodney drove to Sheriff Pavero's house, just like

498
00:29:55,599 --> 00:30:01,119
last time, except now he had new information. That information

499
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:05,720
was that he was fairly certain something was rotting inside

500
00:30:05,839 --> 00:30:06,680
Rose's basement.

501
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 2: I went to Serpavo's house again, set right on the

502
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:13,319
boards beside him, and I said, I can't prove that

503
00:30:13,359 --> 00:30:15,200
he's in the basement, but I know he was in

504
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,680
the basement, I said, Phil, I smelled him at the

505
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:21,000
third step, but I couldn't find him. I could smell him,

506
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,519
but I couldn't find him.

507
00:30:23,799 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 3: The sheriff thanked Rodney before telling him that they'd already

508
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:32,920
been in the basement with the dogs and Adam wasn't there. Disappointed,

509
00:30:33,079 --> 00:30:36,400
Rodney Miller then drove back to his wife across town,

510
00:30:36,519 --> 00:30:42,799
feeling a bit more hopeless than he had before. Several

511
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:48,359
months would pass, and as the leaves begin to change,

512
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,799
there's still no sign of Adam. His thirty second birthday

513
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:57,079
eventually came and went that October. On the fifth month

514
00:30:57,119 --> 00:31:01,200
anniversary of his disappearance, the Ontario the Sheriff's Department held

515
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:07,799
a press conference on Wednesday, November fourteenth, twenty twelve. Adam's mother, Sylvia,

516
00:31:07,839 --> 00:31:10,759
and his sister Jessica were seen sitting at a long

517
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,640
table to the right of the sheriff and the lead investigator.

518
00:31:15,519 --> 00:31:17,920
At the opposite end of the table was Adam's wife,

519
00:31:18,039 --> 00:31:23,440
Rose Chase. Unlike her prior on camera appearances, Rose sat

520
00:31:23,519 --> 00:31:26,039
silently for the majority of the press conference with her

521
00:31:26,039 --> 00:31:31,319
eyes glued to the floor. During the broadcast, authorities urged

522
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:36,200
anyone with information regarding Adam's whereabouts to come forward, but

523
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:43,240
these press conferences and news headlines were becoming redundant. Regardless,

524
00:31:43,279 --> 00:31:46,880
the sheriff expressed his optimism, stating his personal belief that

525
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:52,319
Adam was out there, still alive, and the investigation remained

526
00:31:52,359 --> 00:31:56,240
in full swing. Out of the family members present that day,

527
00:31:56,279 --> 00:32:01,279
Adam's mother was the only one to speak. Sylvia scanned

528
00:32:01,319 --> 00:32:04,960
her eyes across the sea of local journalists and begged

529
00:32:05,319 --> 00:32:09,720
her son to come home, just like she had countless

530
00:32:09,839 --> 00:32:10,839
times before.

531
00:32:11,799 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 5: Adam, if you can hear this, you have a place

532
00:32:14,759 --> 00:32:21,319
to come home to call me, email me, whichever, Just

533
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:21,960
come on home.

534
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:27,119
Speaker 3: Meanwhile, Rodney Miller was working around the clock on his

535
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,519
own without the help.

536
00:32:29,279 --> 00:32:30,279
Speaker 1: Of law enforcement.

537
00:32:31,119 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 3: He never once believed Adam walked off on his own accord.

538
00:32:35,359 --> 00:32:38,279
In his gut, there was only one person responsible for

539
00:32:38,319 --> 00:32:43,359
whatever happened to him, and that was Adam's wife, Rose Chase.

540
00:32:44,279 --> 00:32:46,599
But he had to prove it. In the eyes of

541
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:52,880
the local sheriff's department, any evidence Rodney brought them was circumstantial. Eventually,

542
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:57,680
the independent investigation into the disappearance of his family friend

543
00:32:58,599 --> 00:33:01,839
began to weigh on him, and for his own sanity,

544
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,200
Rodney had to step away.

545
00:33:04,799 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 2: There came a point when I walked away from it.

546
00:33:07,359 --> 00:33:10,400
I had things to do around the farm. I burn

547
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,559
would for my heat. I knew winter was coming. I

548
00:33:12,559 --> 00:33:14,680
had to get some of my stuff done, and I'd

549
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,000
actually got burned out about Adam.

550
00:33:17,359 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 3: As the winter frost began to settle in that year,

551
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,119
for the first time since getting involved, Rodney Miller began

552
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,559
to fear that Adam might never be found.

553
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,759
Speaker 2: It was a snowy, cold day, and when I come home,

554
00:33:30,799 --> 00:33:33,119
my wife said, I sat in a lounge chair and

555
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:34,400
my wife said, what are you going to do? And

556
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,039
I said, I don't know. I'm running out of things

557
00:33:37,079 --> 00:33:40,160
to do, and if the weather changes were not going

558
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:41,039
to find them.

559
00:33:41,599 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 3: But that feeling of defeat shifted when Rodney got a

560
00:33:45,519 --> 00:33:46,720
call from an old friend.

561
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 2: But then I got a phone call was Adam's father, Lyndon,

562
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,960
and his father said, the SHARE's department fucked us and

563
00:33:56,000 --> 00:34:00,319
if you don't help us find our son, we ain't

564
00:34:00,319 --> 00:34:04,599
going to find him. At her he said, why'd you

565
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:08,079
give up? He said he never give up, and I said,

566
00:34:08,119 --> 00:34:10,119
I didn't give up. I said, I just had to

567
00:34:10,119 --> 00:34:13,519
get away from it for a while, because I walked

568
00:34:13,519 --> 00:34:15,840
a lot of miles looking for Adam.

569
00:34:16,119 --> 00:34:18,280
Speaker 3: That was all it took for Rodney to pick himself

570
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:23,039
up and dive back into the case, remembering the promise

571
00:34:23,159 --> 00:34:24,920
he'd made to the Chase family.

572
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,760
Speaker 2: After that conversation had kind of fired me up, and

573
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,480
I went back a lot harder than I did in the.

574
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 3: Beginning with a newfound rejuvenation. The former deputy turned private

575
00:34:37,519 --> 00:34:41,960
detective Rodney Miller decided to play his last hand and

576
00:34:42,119 --> 00:34:45,280
executed a final trick that he had up his sleeve.

577
00:34:46,559 --> 00:34:49,599
In mid December of twenty twelve, he devised a plan,

578
00:34:50,519 --> 00:34:53,960
a plan that involved a little help from Rose's new babysitter.

579
00:34:54,519 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 2: And I called Sandy and I said, well, you help me.

580
00:34:58,119 --> 00:34:59,800
She want to know what I wanted, and I said, well,

581
00:35:00,559 --> 00:35:03,360
when Rose comes to pick up her Sunday night, I

582
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,599
want you to tell her so you don't get in trouble,

583
00:35:05,639 --> 00:35:08,119
that you heard it from another one of your customers

584
00:35:08,119 --> 00:35:11,159
that there's a break in the case. They're gonna make

585
00:35:11,199 --> 00:35:13,000
an arrest and charge somebody with murder.

586
00:35:13,639 --> 00:35:16,519
Speaker 3: Essentially, Rodney came up with the idea to have the

587
00:35:16,559 --> 00:35:22,119
babysitter tell Rose that she'd heard rumblings around town, rumors

588
00:35:22,559 --> 00:35:25,760
that authorities were ramping up to make an arrest regarding

589
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:30,719
her husband's disappearance in the coming days, which in actuality

590
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:31,840
was bullshit.

591
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 2: There was nothing there to make an arrest on my

592
00:35:35,079 --> 00:35:36,440
end other than the bluff.

593
00:35:37,119 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 3: When Rose came to pick up her son from Sandy's

594
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:43,000
house just after five pm the evening of December thirteenth,

595
00:35:43,679 --> 00:35:46,559
the babysitter followed through with her end of the plan

596
00:35:47,079 --> 00:35:51,559
as instructed, but unfortunately no dice in terms of a

597
00:35:51,599 --> 00:35:56,639
confession from Rose Chase. She appeared nervous when Sandy made

598
00:35:56,719 --> 00:36:01,639
mention of an arrest, but ultimately Rose kept her mouth shut,

599
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,639
picked up her son, and was soon on her way

600
00:36:04,679 --> 00:36:08,800
back home in Stanley. As soon as Rose left, Sandy

601
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:12,360
texted Rodney to let him know she'd planted a seed

602
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:16,519
of fear in Rose. But if we've learned anything from

603
00:36:16,519 --> 00:36:20,199
our communications with Rodney Miller, it's at He's great at

604
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:24,199
a lot of things, but texting isn't one of them.

605
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,519
Speaker 2: And she didn't call me. I told her not to

606
00:36:27,559 --> 00:36:30,280
text me because I don't read Texas. But anyways, she

607
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,239
texted me, but it came quarterly after five, and I

608
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,119
knew she picked him up at five o'clock. She didn't

609
00:36:36,159 --> 00:36:38,440
call me, so I called her and I said, Sandy

610
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,000
did she pick up. Yes, she goes, didn't you get

611
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:42,679
my text? And I said, I told you not to

612
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:47,199
text me. But anyways, she said you should go. She said,

613
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,639
well she left here. She was as white as the

614
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,760
she and all she could say was oh shit, oh shit.

615
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 3: After getting off the phone with Sandy Rodney, Miller rushed

616
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:00,960
over to his number one suspect's residence, just a few

617
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:01,599
miles away.

618
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,159
Speaker 2: I was all ready to go. I'd had my coat

619
00:37:04,199 --> 00:37:06,280
on and I was ready to go to her house.

620
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,599
Speaker 1: And that's what I did that evening.

621
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 3: He confronted Rose, and he informed her that for her

622
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,519
this was the end of the road.

623
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,760
Speaker 2: When I went there that night, she came out on

624
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:21,360
the front porch and sat down and I said, Rose,

625
00:37:21,639 --> 00:37:24,440
I've had enough. You got to give him up. You're

626
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,719
never going to be at peace. Do you tell me

627
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:28,199
what you did with him? And I want to know

628
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:32,039
where you buried him? And just like that, she took

629
00:37:32,039 --> 00:37:34,079
her hands away from her face and looked right at

630
00:37:34,079 --> 00:37:37,559
me and said, I didn't bury him. I said, where

631
00:37:37,599 --> 00:37:41,760
is he? I took him to my mother's where he's

632
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:45,239
in the burn barrel. Where are the bones? They're in

633
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,039
the barrel. Then when I asked her, who helps you

634
00:37:48,079 --> 00:37:50,800
take him out of the house. She just said, I

635
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,840
took him out by myself. I said, how piece by piece.

636
00:37:54,519 --> 00:37:57,159
Speaker 3: Before Rodney Miller called the sheriff to let him know

637
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:01,320
Rose Chase had just confessed to murder. She walked back

638
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,599
inside to say goodbye to her new boyfriend Mark.

639
00:38:05,199 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 2: It was a cool night. She wanted to go and

640
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,239
get her coat and cigarettes, and I walked back into

641
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,920
the house with her. She walks over into the side

642
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,760
of the house again to the couch where the boyfriend

643
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,800
Mark satin and he gets up and he's standing in

644
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,519
front of her, and she puts her hands out like

645
00:38:21,599 --> 00:38:24,360
she's looking for a hug, and she says to the

646
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:29,119
the boyfriend, I killed Adam and his jaw dropped the

647
00:38:29,119 --> 00:38:30,519
belt down to his belt buckle.

648
00:38:31,119 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 3: It didn't take long after that for the local authorities

649
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,400
to come knocking on Rose's door with a search warrant

650
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:41,719
in hand. Rose was in tears when police showed up.

651
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,400
She knew it was over. While a team of investigators

652
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:50,079
searched the property once more, Rose broke down to one

653
00:38:50,119 --> 00:38:53,320
of the detectives and told him exactly what she'd just

654
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:58,320
told Rodney Miller. That she had killed Adam and burned

655
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:02,760
his remains. Before she was placed in the handcuffs, Rose

656
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:07,119
knelt down to her son Tristan, who had been playing

657
00:39:07,159 --> 00:39:09,400
with his toys on the carpet.

658
00:39:09,639 --> 00:39:11,800
Speaker 2: He was down on the floor plane with something and

659
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,639
she squatted down game a hug and said, man, he's

660
00:39:15,639 --> 00:39:16,800
got to go away for a while.

661
00:39:17,559 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 3: Rose was then transported to the Ontario County Sheriff's office

662
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:26,480
for questioning, where she'd reveal all of the shocking details

663
00:39:26,519 --> 00:39:31,599
surrounding what really happened to her husband of eleven years,

664
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:32,639
Adam Chase.

665
00:39:33,519 --> 00:39:35,159
Speaker 13: So when we were in there the night that we

666
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,159
came over with me and investigator during where in the.

667
00:39:38,079 --> 00:39:38,679
Speaker 2: Basement was.

668
00:39:40,519 --> 00:39:43,280
Speaker 13: The part that I tooda the light when it work.

669
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 3: Rose was questioned for nearly two and a half hours,

670
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:51,440
but it wasn't much of an interrogation, Just like she

671
00:39:51,519 --> 00:39:56,159
had to Rodney Miller hours before. Rose began confessing to

672
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:59,239
the murder of her husband Adam almost as soon as

673
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:00,719
she sat down.

674
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:02,800
Speaker 13: I had.

675
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 7: Along the wall and he was underneath all this that.

676
00:40:11,079 --> 00:40:12,519
Speaker 14: Was in the quarner.

677
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 3: The more she continued to speak, the detectives began to

678
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:24,039
pick up on two main aspects. Number one, the end

679
00:40:24,119 --> 00:40:27,880
result of this tragedy was much more grotesque than they

680
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:33,639
could have anticipated, and number two, they fucked up. Rose

681
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:35,760
was quick to tell detectives that on the morning of

682
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:39,840
June fourteenth, her husband Adam, confronted her about having an affair.

683
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:44,599
This was warranted considering the fact that Mark, the man

684
00:40:44,639 --> 00:40:48,480
who was photographed with Rose in the park, wasn't her

685
00:40:48,519 --> 00:40:54,679
gay friend at all, but instead her new boyfriend, well

686
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:59,960
one of them anyway. By now, investigators had already seen

687
00:41:00,039 --> 00:41:04,440
east Roses computer back at her residence, and it didn't

688
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,800
take long for them to find several romantic emails she'd

689
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:11,320
been sending to various men behind Adam's back.

690
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:13,639
Speaker 13: I mean, let's let's be perfectly honest.

691
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 15: We had your tower computer, yeah, right, and I saw

692
00:41:17,599 --> 00:41:20,559
and I pound the emails in there from three four

693
00:41:20,639 --> 00:41:22,920
years ago, and you're talking to other men and saying

694
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:27,320
that I'm yeah, I'm married technically, but we don't really

695
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:28,000
have anything to do.

696
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,280
Speaker 13: With each other. I mean, I'm sure in your mind

697
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,920
it was it was over long ago, and part of it,

698
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:35,440
you know that then.

699
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 7: It was true we fairly talked to each other, and

700
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:45,639
then I didn't realized Adam put a key Water. So

701
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:47,280
he was watched.

702
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 15: Seeing what I Want right right, because he was probably

703
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,760
suspicious of what was going on.

704
00:41:54,039 --> 00:42:00,760
Speaker 13: But that person that was never right, didn't that person?

705
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 3: During that fatal argument, Rose admitted to Adam that she'd

706
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:08,039
been cheating on him, adding insult to injury. She told

707
00:42:08,079 --> 00:42:13,280
him that it was his fault. Why you ask well,

708
00:42:14,039 --> 00:42:17,039
because all that Adam ever wanted to do was play

709
00:42:17,159 --> 00:42:21,559
video games. Clearly Rose is an extremely reasonable woman, but

710
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,519
what really sent Adam over the edge was when his

711
00:42:25,599 --> 00:42:30,199
wife told him that their four year old son, Tristan

712
00:42:31,199 --> 00:42:31,760
wasn't his.

713
00:42:32,679 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 13: The day that he called into work. Is that when

714
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:34,880
has happened?

715
00:42:35,199 --> 00:42:38,039
Speaker 14: Yes, okay, what happened? Him?

716
00:42:38,039 --> 00:42:40,159
Speaker 7: And I called into work so this way we could

717
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:44,280
warn things out. He went back to sleep after he

718
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:48,480
called up in his boss. Okay, I tried waking in love.

719
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:52,840
It took me a while, but he finally got up.

720
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:58,599
He went upstairs to grab a smoke. Then you started

721
00:42:58,599 --> 00:43:00,920
to go on the computer. I go, I thought we

722
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:06,039
were going to talk about this, started arguing again, the

723
00:43:06,079 --> 00:43:12,079
fact that Mark chistning and I go, yes, it was

724
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:17,480
only a chiss and he goes, well, you told me

725
00:43:17,599 --> 00:43:19,800
last night that we're going to get a DNA test

726
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:20,559
done on Tristan.

727
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:22,559
Speaker 14: I told him.

728
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:27,159
Speaker 7: I told him then, no name, Tristan's not yours. He

729
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,519
got furious, punched the wall.

730
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,559
Speaker 13: That was the that was the hole that we saw.

731
00:43:33,519 --> 00:43:36,159
I went to grab him. He did push me away.

732
00:43:37,039 --> 00:43:39,440
I went to grab him again, and.

733
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 14: I don't know how if.

734
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:45,639
Speaker 7: He tried to push me away again, or if.

735
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,639
Speaker 16: I tried to grab and he grabbed him wrong.

736
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:54,280
Speaker 7: But he his foot caught the stairs and he tumbled

737
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:55,920
down the stairs.

738
00:43:56,639 --> 00:44:00,119
Speaker 3: Rose called out to Adam, but he didn't respond on

739
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:04,639
then he wasn't moving. According to her statements to police,

740
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,559
it's quite possible that he broke his neck.

741
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:09,159
Speaker 12: Not what happened.

742
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 14: When I got there, I paused.

743
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:20,159
Speaker 13: I go at him, you okay, and it'd shuck him

744
00:44:20,159 --> 00:44:20,599
a little bit.

745
00:44:21,679 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 14: Waited a few more minutes. Still wasn't moving. I shook

746
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:31,760
him again, was.

747
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 13: To see if he had a pause where okay, checked

748
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:46,760
his neck at all, to see if he had one there, okay,

749
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:48,039
all right, thank you.

750
00:44:50,119 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 16: Then I just waited a few more minutes, and then

751
00:44:55,480 --> 00:45:00,119
he started to let himself okay.

752
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 3: It's unclear how long Adam was alive following the traumatic injury,

753
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:09,719
but in all likelihood he could have been saved. Instead,

754
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:11,960
Rose made the decision to leave him there at the

755
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:12,519
bottom of.

756
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 1: The steps to die.

757
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 3: She didn't call nine one one, She didn't render any

758
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,800
aid to her husband. She just left him there.

759
00:45:22,639 --> 00:45:25,119
Speaker 13: I panicked, I didn't want.

760
00:45:26,559 --> 00:45:27,119
Speaker 7: I didn't know.

761
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 13: Any of the neighbors for anything. I really panicked. Dragged him.

762
00:45:33,079 --> 00:45:36,800
That was just struggle, But I dragged him. Was he

763
00:45:37,039 --> 00:45:39,440
was he moving at all? Was he fighting back at all?

764
00:45:39,599 --> 00:45:42,920
And he also moving at all? How long from the

765
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:44,400
time that he fell down the stairs to.

766
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 2: Him to be figured.

767
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:57,079
Speaker 14: Okay after he brought himself if when he knew was dead.

768
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 3: Rose then described what happened before following day. She told

769
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,159
investigators that she originally planned to hide Adam's body in

770
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:08,000
the crawl space, but he was too.

771
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:13,599
Speaker 14: Big and went to the things. Sylvia called me.

772
00:46:15,119 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 7: And said that she talked to the sheriff, that he

773
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,280
wanted to talk to me. So I went back to

774
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:26,719
the house in the panic. So I have just laying

775
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:28,679
in there, and I didn't want to share to see

776
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,440
him there because I knew she would brust me right

777
00:46:31,519 --> 00:46:37,000
on the spot. So that little corner cut.

778
00:46:37,079 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 16: Out of the wall.

779
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:39,599
Speaker 13: I thought about putting him in there.

780
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 7: I went in there, checked it out.

781
00:46:42,599 --> 00:46:45,199
Speaker 14: I was going to put him in an area in

782
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,280
the dirt, but.

783
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:53,119
Speaker 7: When I went to move him, she just to really lift.

784
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 13: Him there far.

785
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 3: When authorities first called Rose on the phone the day

786
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:01,039
that Adam's mother reported him missing, he was still in

787
00:47:01,079 --> 00:47:05,519
plain sight at the bottom of the stairs, and more

788
00:47:05,679 --> 00:47:10,760
likely he was still alive. After hanging up the phone,

789
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:14,320
Rose realized she needed to get moving and moving quickly

790
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:15,719
to hide the body.

791
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:21,800
Speaker 7: Grabbed a bag out from the kitchen, waving the bags

792
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:22,519
underneath him.

793
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:26,519
Speaker 14: Still wasn't doing anything. Got him on that bad I.

794
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,199
Speaker 7: Mean it was one of those heavy duties. Are almost

795
00:47:29,199 --> 00:47:33,599
like what you use for lining of a waterbed.

796
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 15: Okay, yeah, then made it a little.

797
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,039
Speaker 13: Bit easier to drag them into.

798
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:41,679
Speaker 7: After I got.

799
00:47:41,559 --> 00:47:43,519
Speaker 13: Them to the stairwell in the.

800
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 7: Right in front of the basement, still wasn't moving anything.

801
00:47:49,679 --> 00:47:53,519
I actually cleared all those doors and stuff out of

802
00:47:53,559 --> 00:47:55,480
the stairwells, giving myself some more room.

803
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 14: Grabbed them.

804
00:47:57,599 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 13: He's still not moving. Got him right there. He's right

805
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:04,440
there on the power.

806
00:48:04,199 --> 00:48:08,519
Speaker 7: Form, and I gave him another show into the basement.

807
00:48:08,679 --> 00:48:10,039
Speaker 14: I'm going to hear him.

808
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:15,079
Speaker 7: I just let gravity, just let gravity do its work.

809
00:48:16,519 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 13: There there he hit his head.

810
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:23,519
Speaker 3: Rose can be seen in the interrogation footage getting out

811
00:48:23,519 --> 00:48:27,159
of her seat to demonstrate how she folded Adam's body

812
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,840
up like a pretzel into a fetal position.

813
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 7: I actually drag him by his feet into.

814
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,679
Speaker 13: The lower park of.

815
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:46,320
Speaker 7: The basement, got him to this way he was, it's

816
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:52,280
properly like this, and I struggled to get him into

817
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:59,320
this position, okay, and that's when I put this harp when.

818
00:49:02,159 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 3: Again it's unclear exactly when Adam died, but from what

819
00:49:06,519 --> 00:49:11,119
Rose was saying, it was a long and excruciating process.

820
00:49:12,039 --> 00:49:15,559
Rigor mortis sets in within a couple of hours of

821
00:49:15,599 --> 00:49:19,840
death and lasts up to four days. If Adam's body

822
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,960
was able to be manipulated in the way Rose had

823
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:28,280
demonstrated for detectives, he was likely still breathing helplessly in

824
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:32,199
the basement. It may be hard to believe, but Adam

825
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:36,559
having been left paralyzed potentially for days before he took

826
00:49:36,639 --> 00:49:41,360
his last breath, is only the beginning of the horrific

827
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:44,159
manner in which he lost his life.

828
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:50,679
Speaker 7: It was my son's pitful that he was originally over

829
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:53,880
top of him. I had all the skins of stuff

830
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:55,119
surrounding him.

831
00:49:55,719 --> 00:50:01,079
Speaker 13: Then I put long chases on board over top of it, and.

832
00:50:01,039 --> 00:50:02,320
Speaker 1: I made it look like a table.

833
00:50:04,039 --> 00:50:07,280
Speaker 3: Rose told authorities she left Adam in the basement for

834
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:11,519
about two weeks before she dragged various pieces of lumber

835
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:16,280
from her backyard down through the bulkhead. Those pieces of

836
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:20,320
wood were ultimately used to conceal Adam's body, along with

837
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:25,320
the other items. But according to Rodney Miller, law enforcement

838
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:29,920
should have already known this. That's because they interviewed Rose's

839
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:34,519
neighbor who saw her doing this, but for some reason,

840
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:39,000
they never took down his statement or made any sort

841
00:50:39,039 --> 00:50:40,079
of official report.

842
00:50:40,599 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 2: Timmy Marks watches her on that Saturday carry this old

843
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:47,360
burned door back down to the basement. He can't figure

844
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:50,480
out what she's doing, and he's gonna go help her,

845
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:53,400
but his phone rings. But when he comes back out,

846
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:55,360
he notices that she taking out the door in the

847
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:58,320
basement somehow. Now she's carrying all this rotten wood.

848
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 3: Weeks after Adam went missing in June of twenty twelve,

849
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:08,679
roses neighbor Timmy noticed her doing some landscaping. Approximately five

850
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:12,559
days after that, the neighbor was interviewed by police.

851
00:51:12,599 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 2: The same Deputy John Beck goes to Timmy Marx's house.

852
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:20,039
What can you tell us about your neighbor Adam Chase? Well, why,

853
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:23,679
John tells him he's missing. Oh, Timmy Mark says to

854
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,320
John Beck, you got to check the basement where she

855
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:30,239
carried that door in wood, and what they did was nothing.

856
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 3: One would think that this is pretty important information, but

857
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:40,360
to law enforcement it apparently wasn't. This crucial investigative lead,

858
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:44,519
which would have led to recovering Adam's body early on,

859
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:49,920
was essentially thrown to the wayside. Bad police work.

860
00:51:50,679 --> 00:51:55,760
Speaker 7: The house, well, only the basement, And I've had people

861
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:59,440
in the house. They know I like to burn candles,

862
00:52:00,079 --> 00:52:03,800
so they didn't really smell anything out of the ordinary.

863
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:09,079
Speaker 14: I can never wandered down into the base I try

864
00:52:09,119 --> 00:52:10,280
to keep people out of the basement.

865
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:14,320
Speaker 3: After telling investigators how she simply lit candles in the

866
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:18,159
home to cover up the stench of her decomposing husband,

867
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:22,000
investigators went on to ask her a pretty obvious and

868
00:52:22,039 --> 00:52:27,079
simple question, if Adam's death really was an accident, why

869
00:52:27,079 --> 00:52:34,159
didn't she call for help? Her answer, well, it's pretty remarkable.

870
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:38,159
Speaker 13: I guess what I'm having trouble with is if this

871
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:40,039
was him falling down the stair.

872
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 2: Why do we go through all it? I mean, what

873
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:45,760
do we go through all this?

874
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 13: I'm just helping figure this out because I thought everyone

875
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,360
was didn't think it was murder that you know that

876
00:52:55,519 --> 00:52:58,559
I often I'm purvish.

877
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:05,639
Speaker 7: No, you think as his body and the dogs came in,

878
00:53:06,119 --> 00:53:08,599
I thought I got pretty lucky. I was going to

879
00:53:08,639 --> 00:53:14,119
turn myself in several times. But the thing that kept

880
00:53:15,199 --> 00:53:17,840
shying me away from turning me and put myself in

881
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:21,760
with how his family acted.

882
00:53:23,079 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 13: So what do you mean by that has been?

883
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 7: What they were doing was you know, making a kissing

884
00:53:30,519 --> 00:53:31,000
me off?

885
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 13: How about they were.

886
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:36,280
Speaker 7: You know, saying that I did all this stuff without

887
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:39,559
physical evidence, and it really kissed me off.

888
00:53:39,599 --> 00:53:40,199
Speaker 17: And I just.

889
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 13: Wanted so that drags out, mostly because of their treatment

890
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:47,440
of you after this happens.

891
00:53:50,199 --> 00:53:52,679
Speaker 3: If you didn't catch that. Rose Chase just said that

892
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:56,800
the reason why she didn't turn herself in was because

893
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:59,679
the family of the man she killed treated her poorly

894
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:04,719
in the six months that followed. So she sure does

895
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,400
know how to take accountability, doesn't she?

896
00:54:08,199 --> 00:54:10,840
Speaker 7: And he shogged you, Yeah, then I want you to

897
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:13,840
bring him again to get his attention again and.

898
00:54:14,039 --> 00:54:18,039
Speaker 13: Shog he turned around and try to go back down

899
00:54:18,079 --> 00:54:21,719
the stairs again. Yes, and he showed me right about

900
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:23,519
in this locations.

901
00:54:24,159 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, Adam was long gone and unable to provide his

902
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:32,000
side of the story. Given the fact that Rose destroyed

903
00:54:32,039 --> 00:54:37,639
his body, determining an official cause of death was virtually impossible.

904
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:41,840
With all that being said, it was at this point

905
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:47,039
in the interview when Rose Chase really began to tread

906
00:54:47,079 --> 00:54:50,920
a thin line, and that line, of course, was whether

907
00:54:51,119 --> 00:54:56,000
or not she'd eventually be charged with second or first

908
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:57,119
degree murder.

909
00:54:57,679 --> 00:55:00,519
Speaker 15: Well, hang on a personatural reaction to day. I don't

910
00:55:00,559 --> 00:55:03,639
care if it's your mortal enemy. It's going to be

911
00:55:03,679 --> 00:55:06,440
trying to get disguised for some help. The thing that

912
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:10,119
I keep hearing is that you're gonna turn yourself in,

913
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:14,679
that if the first deputy that shows up and saw him,

914
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:15,719
you were going to get arrested.

915
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 13: This was an accident, and none of that happens that way.

916
00:55:19,039 --> 00:55:24,880
It just tells me that if Adam doesn't perish from

917
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:26,280
his injuries, that.

918
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:28,599
Speaker 15: Maybe he tells them a different story about what happened

919
00:55:28,599 --> 00:55:29,320
on that stairwell.

920
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:32,519
Speaker 13: I was afraid of.

921
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 7: If Adam didn't perish on that stairwell was that the

922
00:55:40,039 --> 00:55:43,119
truth about Tristan's DNA.

923
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:45,760
Speaker 13: Was going to come out, and it came out anyway.

924
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:52,119
Speaker 7: But the first thing that was going through my head was, okay.

925
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 3: Adam die.

926
00:55:55,079 --> 00:55:57,840
Speaker 7: I wanted to keep Tristan in a loving family as

927
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:03,440
long as I could. His parents were great grandparents.

928
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:05,760
Speaker 13: So you're sitting there, you're seeing him on the ground,

929
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:11,079
You're thinking, screw him. I'm not getting him help. Screwed

930
00:56:11,119 --> 00:56:14,079
me too many times. He's bringing our son into this

931
00:56:14,119 --> 00:56:15,480
whole match. It's going to be a hell a lot

932
00:56:15,559 --> 00:56:18,320
easier if he just dies right there that if we

933
00:56:18,559 --> 00:56:20,280
then if I get him help, he lives, and we

934
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:23,000
got to go through all the fighting again and custody

935
00:56:23,039 --> 00:56:23,519
and all that.

936
00:56:23,639 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 7: Right, I think it's pretty much wile to go through

937
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:26,880
my head.

938
00:56:27,639 --> 00:56:30,039
Speaker 13: But do you want him dead? At that point, you

939
00:56:30,079 --> 00:56:30,679
wanted him dead?

940
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 11: Death?

941
00:56:34,639 --> 00:56:40,400
Speaker 14: I try to turn my as but dead and subs

942
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:44,440
conscious way. I didn't want to push him, Okay, So

943
00:56:44,639 --> 00:57:10,519
did you. I'm gonna have to say it, okay.

944
00:57:21,159 --> 00:57:24,119
Speaker 3: It had been almost six months to the day since

945
00:57:24,239 --> 00:57:27,880
thirty one year old Adam Chase went missing after allegedly

946
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:31,320
storming out of his home in Stanley, New York. Following

947
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:34,679
an argument with his wife Rose. In the public eye,

948
00:57:34,719 --> 00:57:38,039
Adam was considered a missing person from the very beginning,

949
00:57:38,599 --> 00:57:42,280
aside from some internal dialogue theorizing that he may have

950
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:43,960
committed suicide.

951
00:57:44,159 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 1: But when former local.

952
00:57:45,719 --> 00:57:49,679
Speaker 3: Deputy turned PI Rodney Miller caught wind of the story,

953
00:57:50,679 --> 00:57:55,519
he knew Adam wasn't missing. That's because he knew him personally.

954
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:59,639
Rodney Miller also knew that Adam was somewhat of a loner,

955
00:58:00,199 --> 00:58:02,440
and chances of him just taking off and starting a

956
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:07,480
new life were slim to none. Over the next several months,

957
00:58:07,719 --> 00:58:11,920
there were almost no substantial developments in this case until

958
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:16,679
the evening of December thirteenth, twenty twelve. With the help

959
00:58:16,719 --> 00:58:20,880
of Sandy, the babysitter, Rodney Miller managed to get the

960
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:25,920
so called grieving wife to confess not only to pushing

961
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:29,239
her husband down the stairs and killing him, but to

962
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:35,519
destroying his remains as well. During her interrogation, Rose told

963
00:58:35,639 --> 00:58:40,840
detectives about a conversation Adam had with their son when

964
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:44,960
he recorded four year old Tristan talking about mommy's new

965
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,440
boyfriend about Mark.

966
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:52,039
Speaker 7: How many times did Mark fift month did Mark ever

967
00:58:52,079 --> 00:58:55,960
come to the hack? And how many times did you

968
00:58:56,039 --> 00:58:58,679
see Lauram, money and Mark together.

969
00:59:07,159 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 15: Was right for him?

970
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 3: And Rose eventually got to describing what you're surely all

971
00:59:15,159 --> 00:59:22,360
dying to know. What happened to Adam's body. Well after

972
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:26,599
allowing him to rode away in this sweltering basement, Rose

973
00:59:26,719 --> 00:59:31,599
specified that she didn't need tools to dismember her husband. Instead,

974
00:59:31,639 --> 00:59:35,039
she decided to let the summer heat do the work

975
00:59:35,159 --> 00:59:35,559
for her.

976
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:39,039
Speaker 13: When you were taking him out of the house, did

977
00:59:39,079 --> 00:59:41,599
you cut him up for anything? Did you need any

978
00:59:41,639 --> 00:59:42,519
tools or anything?

979
00:59:42,719 --> 00:59:44,639
Speaker 1: Or because if you did, where would those be?

980
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 8: Just?

981
00:59:48,119 --> 00:59:48,519
Speaker 6: All right?

982
00:59:48,559 --> 00:59:49,559
Speaker 2: How long have you been there?

983
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 6: Been here?

984
00:59:53,079 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 7: Six?

985
00:59:55,599 --> 00:59:55,960
Speaker 14: Okay?

986
00:59:56,920 --> 01:00:00,719
Speaker 3: Despite police dogs, share of deputies, and he even Rodney

987
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:08,239
Miller himself having stepped into the basement, Adam was never found. Thankfully,

988
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:13,199
Rose couldn't keep her secret to herself forever, and after

989
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:16,960
Rodney convinced her to give it up from her interrogation chair,

990
01:00:17,679 --> 01:00:21,079
she seemed eager to finally get things off her chest.

991
01:00:22,039 --> 01:00:25,480
About midway through her police interview, Rose explained what happened

992
01:00:26,199 --> 01:00:30,079
after those two months of decomposition and what she did

993
01:00:30,199 --> 01:00:35,559
next with her husband's remains. The callous nature in which

994
01:00:35,559 --> 01:00:39,079
she lays it all out is astounding.

995
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:41,920
Speaker 15: It was your car that you were taken no down

996
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:44,679
to your mom's house. Then his car used it all,

997
01:00:45,119 --> 01:00:49,960
any of it before us as rugs were what were

998
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:54,360
you rolling along in the biggest piece that you had

999
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:55,559
to get on there by yourself?

1000
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 13: And is torso?

1001
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:57,159
Speaker 1: I mean?

1002
01:01:00,039 --> 01:01:08,639
Speaker 13: And well all right head arms was? He came off,

1003
01:01:08,679 --> 01:01:13,199
no problem? All right, fell off?

1004
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 7: I mean the leg fell off right about me? Okay,

1005
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:22,559
the real creepy part, the torso itself.

1006
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 13: I want to lift it up on.

1007
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:28,559
Speaker 7: I put it on a trash bag, rat it up

1008
01:01:28,639 --> 01:01:34,679
to blanket, lifted it up to where the sub pump was.

1009
01:01:36,079 --> 01:01:39,400
I went upstairs, opened up the car door the back

1010
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:44,000
cash and I'm listening up the torso part.

1011
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:46,440
Speaker 13: It hits my keys in the.

1012
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:48,920
Speaker 1: Car alarm and his roses.

1013
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:52,440
Speaker 3: Neighbor across the street heard the commotion. She came over

1014
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:55,920
to see if she needed help. While holding the bags

1015
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:59,039
of Adam's remains in her hands.

1016
01:01:59,559 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 13: One of my as came out.

1017
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:04,719
Speaker 7: I shut the door, and you know, they were like, hey,

1018
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:05,719
was that your car along?

1019
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:06,320
Speaker 15: I'm final you.

1020
01:02:07,159 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 13: I hit the button.

1021
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 7: By mistake, I thought when I was carrying him down

1022
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:13,559
the ramp that I was gonna wish she was gonna

1023
01:02:13,559 --> 01:02:14,199
flip out of me.

1024
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:15,880
Speaker 14: But he didn't.

1025
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:19,639
Speaker 3: I made to the car long after Adam had inevitably

1026
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:26,599
separated into human soup, a boo yawn of sorts, hearty meal,

1027
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:31,760
definitely chunky. Rose came up with the idea of scooping

1028
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:35,360
what was left of him into her car before picking

1029
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:38,519
up her four year old son from the babysitter and

1030
01:02:38,559 --> 01:02:42,920
transporting three clear trash bags of flesh and bones to

1031
01:02:43,079 --> 01:02:48,320
her mother's house in the nearby town of Potter, New York.

1032
01:02:48,239 --> 01:02:50,039
Speaker 7: Tristan from the babysitters.

1033
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:53,039
Speaker 13: So you're driving around, Tristan Adam in the back of

1034
01:02:53,039 --> 01:02:53,280
the car.

1035
01:02:53,639 --> 01:02:56,480
Speaker 14: Yeah, and he's dunk Trican say anything.

1036
01:02:58,159 --> 01:03:02,119
Speaker 7: He's the windows down, not trying to air.

1037
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 13: Out of the car.

1038
01:03:03,199 --> 01:03:07,199
Speaker 3: After spending the night at her mother's, Rose then dumped

1039
01:03:07,239 --> 01:03:10,679
Adam's torso, limbs, and rotted tissue into the woods to

1040
01:03:10,719 --> 01:03:14,559
be burned at a later date, all the while her

1041
01:03:14,639 --> 01:03:18,079
four year old son Tristan followed close behind.

1042
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:22,239
Speaker 7: So I fare, what the hell over and take drifted

1043
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:23,559
a hair from stuff.

1044
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:26,639
Speaker 13: Who spent the night in my mom's up. I got

1045
01:03:26,679 --> 01:03:27,480
tressed out of his car.

1046
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:31,840
Speaker 14: He walks around. I take out him to divorce.

1047
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:36,480
Speaker 7: He did follow me briefly and like it's okay, you

1048
01:03:36,519 --> 01:03:40,000
can walk the Mommy was I Maan'm sure he was

1049
01:03:40,079 --> 01:03:42,639
burning up the bay, so that's way he really didn't

1050
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:45,559
see what he was doing.

1051
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 2: They had to make a phone called Yates County to

1052
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:51,679
make sure they had a search form, but my understanding

1053
01:03:51,719 --> 01:03:53,920
is that they went to her mother's house that night

1054
01:03:54,079 --> 01:03:55,119
to secure the scene.

1055
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:58,960
Speaker 3: After Rose Chase was arrested for the murder and mutilation

1056
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:02,840
of her husband's body, she agreed to take investigators to

1057
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:07,159
his final resting place at her mother's home, just twelve

1058
01:04:07,199 --> 01:04:11,559
miles south of where the victim was killed. During the search,

1059
01:04:11,639 --> 01:04:15,960
investigators were led to three separate locations, all of which

1060
01:04:16,119 --> 01:04:21,079
were dump sites containing Adam Chase's remains. The first, and

1061
01:04:21,159 --> 01:04:25,519
perhaps the most obvious site was a burn barrel in

1062
01:04:25,639 --> 01:04:31,239
Rose's mother's backyard. Upon peering down into this metal garbage can,

1063
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:35,440
sitting directly on the surface atop a mound of soot

1064
01:04:35,519 --> 01:04:42,159
and ash, were two distinct foot bones. Rose's mother, Patty,

1065
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:45,480
was home at the time and tried to suggest that

1066
01:04:45,519 --> 01:04:49,320
the bones could be that of a deer and not

1067
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:53,039
of her son in law. While Patty was uttering this

1068
01:04:53,119 --> 01:04:57,599
insane theory, to police, Rose cut her off mid sentence

1069
01:04:57,639 --> 01:04:58,360
and said.

1070
01:04:58,639 --> 01:05:01,000
Speaker 10: If it was just Deerbones, I would be here confessing.

1071
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:05,719
Speaker 3: As forensics teams continued to sift through the burn barrel,

1072
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:11,400
they collected an additional section of human vertebrae, more unidentified

1073
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:16,320
skeletal remains, and partial remnants of soft tissue. When questions

1074
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:22,000
about the burn barrel specifically, Rose informed investigators that she

1075
01:05:22,239 --> 01:05:27,639
quote cremated Adam there because that's what he would have

1076
01:05:27,719 --> 01:05:32,239
wanted to be cremated, in a burn barrel in her

1077
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:33,480
mother's backyard.

1078
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:36,639
Speaker 14: He always wanted to be cremated. There's the one thing

1079
01:05:36,679 --> 01:05:38,280
he wanted.

1080
01:05:37,639 --> 01:05:38,440
Speaker 13: To be cremated.

1081
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:40,639
Speaker 7: He didn't want to Stappy's funeral.

1082
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:46,480
Speaker 16: He didn't want anybody to play those so he just

1083
01:05:46,519 --> 01:05:47,960
wanted it.

1084
01:05:47,519 --> 01:05:48,400
Speaker 13: To be cremated.

1085
01:05:49,159 --> 01:05:53,039
Speaker 3: The second burn site Rose showed investigators was just several

1086
01:05:53,159 --> 01:05:56,679
yards away. On top of a section of grass were

1087
01:05:56,719 --> 01:06:01,760
approximately nine trash bags, most of which contained burned leaves,

1088
01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:07,360
but several contained human bones as well. The bones inside

1089
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:10,440
the trash bags were eventually determined to be a human

1090
01:06:10,559 --> 01:06:14,880
pelvic bone, a shoulder blade, as well as the partial

1091
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:19,599
skeleton of a cat. Whether or not Rose Chase was

1092
01:06:19,679 --> 01:06:24,639
responsible for the death of said cat is unknown. During

1093
01:06:24,719 --> 01:06:28,199
her interrogation, she claimed the cat had somehow died inside

1094
01:06:28,199 --> 01:06:31,519
her mother's house and that she disposed of it as

1095
01:06:31,599 --> 01:06:36,960
a favor. But again, Rose just very rarely tells the truth,

1096
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:42,480
you know, so who knows? Rest in peace, Kitty. Lastly,

1097
01:06:43,119 --> 01:06:46,599
authorities examined an area a bit further away from Rose's

1098
01:06:46,639 --> 01:06:52,000
mother's home in a nearby field. There, authorities located approximately

1099
01:06:52,159 --> 01:06:57,079
six human arm bones that were damaged but had not

1100
01:06:57,159 --> 01:07:02,079
been burned. Forensic anthropologist would later determine that not one

1101
01:07:02,119 --> 01:07:05,599
of the bones found on the property had been severed

1102
01:07:05,679 --> 01:07:08,079
by the means of a cutting instrument such as a

1103
01:07:08,119 --> 01:07:14,119
blade or saw. Criminal analysts ultimately theorized that damage to

1104
01:07:14,159 --> 01:07:18,320
the armbones specifically had more likely been the result of

1105
01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:23,840
local wildlife, as if Adam's remains couldn't be desecrated any further,

1106
01:07:24,639 --> 01:07:29,239
his body ultimately became a snack for raccoons and coyotes

1107
01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:33,039
in upstate New York, while the rest of him was

1108
01:07:33,079 --> 01:07:36,400
burnt in a crude metal trash can in his mother.

1109
01:07:36,239 --> 01:07:39,159
Speaker 1: In law's backyard. What a way to go.

1110
01:07:40,119 --> 01:07:44,239
Speaker 3: In February of twenty thirteen, Rose Chase was formally charged

1111
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:49,079
with second degree murder, evidence tampering endangering the welfare of

1112
01:07:49,079 --> 01:07:52,400
a child concerning her and Adam's four year old son.

1113
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:56,599
When her murder trial began a few months later in October,

1114
01:07:57,320 --> 01:08:01,400
Rodney Miller was there to testify. He took the stand

1115
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:05,480
and told the jury everything he saw and smelt before

1116
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:09,519
getting Rose to confess to murder, and after a two

1117
01:08:09,559 --> 01:08:14,360
week trial, Rose Chase was convicted of second degree murder.

1118
01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:19,159
She was also found guilty of tampering with evidence and

1119
01:08:19,319 --> 01:08:21,239
endangering the welfare.

1120
01:08:21,399 --> 01:08:22,039
Speaker 1: Of a child.

1121
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:26,960
Speaker 3: After she was found guilty, Adam Chase's mother, Sylvia, met

1122
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:30,600
with the media outside of the courtroom, where she spoke

1123
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:34,680
of just how instrumental Rodney Miller was in bringing her

1124
01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:37,279
son's killer to justice.

1125
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:41,039
Speaker 5: Without Rodney, we wouldn't be here today because he's the

1126
01:08:41,079 --> 01:08:44,079
one who found him. He never gave up. Been a

1127
01:08:44,119 --> 01:08:48,000
long time coming. Yes, very difficult to get through, but

1128
01:08:48,319 --> 01:08:52,399
mister Tantillo and missus Hines did an awesome jab awesome

1129
01:08:53,159 --> 01:08:54,159
my son could rest.

1130
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:58,720
Speaker 3: The state's district attorney, Michael Tantillo, apparently agreed with the

1131
01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:03,880
sentiment that without Rodney Miller, Adam Chase may have never

1132
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:08,479
been found and that Rose may very well have gotten

1133
01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:09,279
away with it.

1134
01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:10,520
Speaker 1: Figuring it out.

1135
01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:13,319
Speaker 4: Though the jury actually deliberated total of only just about

1136
01:09:13,319 --> 01:09:15,520
four hours or a little bit more than four hours,

1137
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:17,920
so that suggests to us that they felt the case

1138
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:21,479
was pretty strong and probably moved toward a verdict to

1139
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:24,199
the verdict that they returned pretty quickly. Obviously, the work

1140
01:09:24,199 --> 01:09:27,319
of Rodney Miller was fantastic, and I think Sylvia's right.

1141
01:09:27,359 --> 01:09:30,439
This case may not have been solved without his doggedness.

1142
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:32,720
A lot of that is also due to the Chase

1143
01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:35,119
family because they are the people that kept the pressure

1144
01:09:35,199 --> 01:09:37,680
up on the Rose Chase and I think set up

1145
01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:39,800
her state of mind when she actually gave this all

1146
01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:41,439
up in December, and I don't think that would have

1147
01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:44,680
happened without the Chase family keeping the pressure on the

1148
01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:45,359
way that they did.

1149
01:09:46,079 --> 01:09:49,560
Speaker 3: Rodney was also interviewed by local journalists where he shared

1150
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:53,560
his general thoughts on the finality of this bizarre and

1151
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:58,199
ruthless case before getting a little emotional on camera.

1152
01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:04,520
Speaker 2: I'm hammersh we worried when some of the testimony was replayed.

1153
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:08,039
It always puts in lump in your throat, But in

1154
01:10:08,399 --> 01:10:10,199
my heart I knew God was going to take her

1155
01:10:10,359 --> 01:10:12,600
means he helped me find that. I'm happy to she

1156
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:13,560
going with long.

1157
01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:19,239
Speaker 3: Roughly one year after rose Chase was convicted, the now

1158
01:10:19,319 --> 01:10:22,279
thirty six year old woman was sentenced to twenty four

1159
01:10:22,319 --> 01:10:25,800
and a half years to life in prison. In January

1160
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:30,640
of twenty fourteen, Following the proceedings, Adam's mother and his

1161
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:34,600
sister Jessica, spoke with the local reporters where they expressed

1162
01:10:35,399 --> 01:10:38,239
their relief that it was finally over.

1163
01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:41,199
Speaker 6: Good in it without the community, sport and the media,

1164
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:46,199
we might and of course where's Rodney, Rodney Miller, Adam

1165
01:10:46,239 --> 01:10:49,439
I Iver bendraw Holm. If it wasn't for everybody falling

1166
01:10:49,479 --> 01:10:52,000
together into it sends me to be honest with you,

1167
01:10:52,079 --> 01:10:55,039
to go through memories of my brother. We know with

1168
01:10:55,159 --> 01:10:57,119
a good person you don't have to She didn't have

1169
01:10:57,159 --> 01:10:59,199
to sit there and reiterate it to us. The fact

1170
01:10:59,239 --> 01:11:01,720
of the matter is is she wants to sit there

1171
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:03,479
and say it was a good person. Well, why'd you

1172
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:06,640
kill him? I mean, it makes no sense to me.

1173
01:11:07,399 --> 01:11:11,600
Speaker 3: District Attorney Michael Tintillo offered his thoughts as well.

1174
01:11:12,079 --> 01:11:15,000
Speaker 4: I'm generally pleased with the sentence. Seemed to be perfectly honest.

1175
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:17,760
I would have liked to have seen the maximum sentence

1176
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:20,079
put what the judge Koker gave her was pretty close

1177
01:11:20,119 --> 01:11:22,439
to the max, so I have no quarrels with that.

1178
01:11:23,119 --> 01:11:25,880
Every case is unique, and this case certainly had a

1179
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:30,800
lot of unique aspects to it, particularly including how long

1180
01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:33,960
the body was hidden by the defendant and then what

1181
01:11:34,039 --> 01:11:37,039
she did to ultimately destroy the body and try to

1182
01:11:37,079 --> 01:11:39,800
cover her tracks on this thing. To me, I think

1183
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:42,439
the crime that homicide, the murder itself is awful and

1184
01:11:42,479 --> 01:11:45,600
it's heinous, and it deserves everything.

1185
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:45,960
Speaker 2: That the judge gave her.

1186
01:11:46,359 --> 01:11:48,560
Speaker 4: But to put the family of Adam Chase through what

1187
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:51,079
she did for six solid months after that just makes

1188
01:11:51,079 --> 01:11:53,239
it that much worse. So there really is a lot

1189
01:11:53,279 --> 01:11:56,439
of degravity in her statements to the court. Did you

1190
01:11:56,840 --> 01:11:59,279
understand perhaps where they were coming from all.

1191
01:11:59,159 --> 01:11:59,840
Speaker 1: Not in the slight?

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01:12:00,199 --> 01:12:02,039
Speaker 4: I thought that was one of the most bizarre things

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I've ever heard of defendant say to a judge at sentencing.

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It's remarkable for the fact that there was certainly no

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apology in there, certainly no itscknowledgement of what she has

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done to this family.

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Speaker 3: What both the da and Adam's family are referring to

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here is what Rose said when she was provided the

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opportunity to speak in court, which was essentially an awkward

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tangent where she reflected on the good times she had

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with Adam before she killed him, such as the day

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he proposed Here's a verbatim quote from Rose before she

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01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:39,199
learned her fate from the judge.

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Speaker 10: I'm not a bad person. I cherish his memory, despite

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01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:44,199
what people make me out to be.

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Speaker 3: Clearly, she hasn't lost any sleep after murdering her husband, regardless.

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Now that Rose was no longer allowed to do interviews

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01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:56,479
as a free citizen, her family figured they'd carry the

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01:12:56,560 --> 01:13:01,159
torch of embarrassment for her. Shortly after Rose was taken

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01:13:01,199 --> 01:13:05,439
away in shackles, Patricia Mooney or class Act of a Mother,

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01:13:06,439 --> 01:13:11,079
got busy online commenting on a dead man's Facebook page.

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Speaker 11: Found the picture if you with other men, people's souls.

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Speaker 2: Know about your secret life too.

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Speaker 3: Poor Patty misspelled the word of in her post and

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01:13:23,039 --> 01:13:27,319
typed the word if happens to the best of us.

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01:13:27,399 --> 01:13:30,199
Spell check can be a real pitch, but you know

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01:13:31,079 --> 01:13:34,600
that's funny. To her credit, at least she managed to

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01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:38,520
use the correct form of the word with two o's.

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01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:42,159
Whether Patty's claims of her son in law being a

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01:13:42,239 --> 01:13:47,560
closeted homosexual. Were true or not, it seems irrelevant, seems

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01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:51,079
almost childish. What I'm mad at you, so I'm gonna

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01:13:51,119 --> 01:13:55,680
call you gay. It's just weird, you know, especially when

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01:13:55,720 --> 01:13:59,159
you consider that he was left to liquefy in his

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01:13:59,199 --> 01:14:03,640
own basement during the summer heat for two months. I'm

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01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:08,399
not sure we're really concerned with his sexual preferences anymore, Patty.

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What is relevant, though, and perhaps most noteworthy in this case,

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01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:18,520
is the fact that Rodney Miller, the former Ontario County deputy,

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01:14:19,199 --> 01:14:23,600
saw Adam Chase's murder without ever receiving a dime.

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01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:24,560
Speaker 1: For his services.

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01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:27,800
Speaker 3: Not only was it a win for the victim's family

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01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:31,399
now that Rose Chase was behind bars, but it was

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01:14:31,439 --> 01:14:35,439
a gratifying win for Rodney as well, proving to his

1233
01:14:35,479 --> 01:14:38,920
former colleagues that he is not such a bad cop

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01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:40,199
after all.

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Speaker 2: Anybody that has love and love for law enforcement, your

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01:14:44,479 --> 01:14:47,439
dream is to always solve a major case, and to me,

1237
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:50,359
this was a major case. But I can ask to

1238
01:14:50,479 --> 01:14:56,039
tell you, in the end, it's a guntless feeling because

1239
01:14:56,079 --> 01:14:59,640
you know you solved it, but it's not a good ending,

1240
01:15:00,479 --> 01:15:04,039
and unfortunately it sticks with you. I don't hold any animosities.

1241
01:15:04,079 --> 01:15:08,199
This was addictive thing to come at the Shares Department

1242
01:15:08,199 --> 01:15:10,640
to get even with. All I wanted to do was

1243
01:15:10,680 --> 01:15:14,479
their freaking job, and they didn't. We never blamed the

1244
01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:18,279
Shares Department for Adam's death. We blame the Shares Department

1245
01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:21,000
for that family not being able to bury their son.

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01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:24,920
Speaker 3: The same year that Rose was sentenced, Rodney Miller ran

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01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:29,279
against Phil Pavero to take his spot as the Ontario

1248
01:15:29,439 --> 01:15:34,840
County Sheriff. Unfortunately, Rodney got swept in the polls, but

1249
01:15:35,720 --> 01:15:38,880
it was never a political power that he was after.

1250
01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:43,840
Rodney ran for sheriff based on principles and to make

1251
01:15:43,880 --> 01:15:45,000
a point, no.

1252
01:15:45,119 --> 01:15:48,079
Speaker 2: Reason I ran against Philip Barbera was. I asked him

1253
01:15:48,319 --> 01:15:51,199
one thing, and that was to go and apologize for

1254
01:15:51,239 --> 01:15:55,279
the Chase family for not doing his job. And quote unquote,

1255
01:15:55,279 --> 01:15:56,880
he says to me, I don't have to do anything

1256
01:15:56,920 --> 01:15:59,439
you tell me, and he did, and he never, to

1257
01:15:59,479 --> 01:16:02,720
my knowledge, never apologized. I can tell you that the

1258
01:16:02,840 --> 01:16:06,039
night that I found Adam, he called me asked me

1259
01:16:06,119 --> 01:16:08,319
not to talk to the media. I told him I

1260
01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:09,920
don't need to talk to the media. I want to

1261
01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:11,760
talk to you. I want to know why he didn't

1262
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:13,840
believe me when I told you what I knew. Any

1263
01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:16,880
quote unquote, said Rodney. We actually thought he'd be home

1264
01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:20,479
by Christmas. I said, well, you can't come home with

1265
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:22,399
your fucking dead, and I don't know.

1266
01:16:22,920 --> 01:16:26,359
Speaker 3: You gotta love Rodney. Now he spends his days tending

1267
01:16:26,399 --> 01:16:30,159
to his farm and enjoying retirement. I look forward to

1268
01:16:30,159 --> 01:16:37,439
that too. Anyway, he is unfortunately battling cancer, the real killer.

1269
01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:41,039
One thing we just had to ask him about this

1270
01:16:41,159 --> 01:16:45,359
case was how the hell did the canines not hit

1271
01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:49,520
on Adam's dead body when they searched the basement. I mean,

1272
01:16:49,640 --> 01:16:51,399
they're freaking dogs.

1273
01:16:52,079 --> 01:16:55,720
Speaker 2: I think two reasons. The dogs weren't worth what they

1274
01:16:55,760 --> 01:16:59,039
paid for him, and the trainers weren't worth a shit

1275
01:17:00,159 --> 01:17:02,960
to the sheriff. He did not know they were not

1276
01:17:03,199 --> 01:17:07,039
certified dogs, but dogs in training. I was told that

1277
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:09,720
they'd walk by his body within two feet, and that

1278
01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:12,159
was told to me by Dante the DA.

1279
01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:18,520
Speaker 3: Apparently, the dogs used to search the basement weren't cadaver dogs. Instead,

1280
01:17:18,560 --> 01:17:22,159
they were tracking dogs, which was just one of the

1281
01:17:22,199 --> 01:17:28,479
many mistakes investigators made during this case. People, do you

1282
01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:34,560
fuck up? We are human, even cops speaking of mistakes,

1283
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:38,159
the courts made some pretty questionable decisions of their own

1284
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:43,159
when Rose Chase's child endangerment conviction was overturned in February

1285
01:17:43,720 --> 01:17:44,680
of twenty eighteen.

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01:17:45,399 --> 01:17:49,279
Speaker 18: Rose Chase, the Ontario County woman convicted of killing, dismembering,

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01:17:49,319 --> 01:17:52,640
and burning her husband's body in twenty twelve, had a

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01:17:52,680 --> 01:17:56,680
misdemeanor conviction reversed last week. Court documents say Chase was

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01:17:56,760 --> 01:17:59,079
not guilty of endangering the welfare of a child. That

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01:17:59,199 --> 01:18:01,640
charge and stem from her then four year old child

1291
01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:04,720
riding in the car with her as she transported remains

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01:18:05,119 --> 01:18:07,960
of her late husband from Ontario County to Yates County.

1293
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Her convictions of second degree murder and tampering with evidence

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01:18:11,159 --> 01:18:13,760
bolt stand, and she's currently serving a sentence of twenty

1295
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:14,920
four years to life.

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01:18:15,239 --> 01:18:19,039
Speaker 3: Despite Rose openly admitting to driving her son with her

1297
01:18:19,119 --> 01:18:23,279
husband's dead body in the car, the Supreme Court ultimately

1298
01:18:23,319 --> 01:18:28,119
decided to throw out the misdemeanor charge upon appeal. A

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few days after the ruling was amended. Adam's father, Linden,

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01:18:32,399 --> 01:18:37,840
passed away on February nineteenth, twenty eighteen, adding yet another

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01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:41,479
layer of top soil to the pile of shit that

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01:18:41,560 --> 01:18:45,239
the Chase family had been forced to trudge through over

1303
01:18:45,279 --> 01:18:48,920
the years. We reached out to Adam's immediate family members,

1304
01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:53,399
but they declined to be interviewed, something we can certainly appreciate.

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01:18:54,239 --> 01:18:57,479
With that said, Adam's loved ones have since gone on

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01:18:57,560 --> 01:19:01,680
record to say that there can convinced Rose's mother played

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01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:05,119
some sort of role in the murder, or at the

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01:19:05,199 --> 01:19:09,880
very least, was complicit in destroying his remains. As for Mark,

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01:19:10,319 --> 01:19:14,600
a new boyfriend, Rose told investigators that he never knew

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about the killing, nor did he know that Adam's body

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01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:21,560
was in the basement. Rose also said that Mark was

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01:19:21,640 --> 01:19:25,159
actually with her at the time she let Adam's body

1313
01:19:25,199 --> 01:19:30,359
ablaze at the bonfire in her mother's backyard, but somehow

1314
01:19:31,239 --> 01:19:35,399
he didn't know Adam was in the burn pit. Huh.

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Speaker 1: She must be really strong, you know.

1316
01:19:38,439 --> 01:19:41,439
Speaker 2: I would have to say, from what I saw his reaction,

1317
01:19:42,399 --> 01:19:44,880
I don't think he did. But it's hard to believe

1318
01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:47,479
that he couldn't in the time that Adam was in

1319
01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:50,199
the basement, that he could smell it. I mean, that's

1320
01:19:50,319 --> 01:19:53,279
a question that lingers on and I don't think we're

1321
01:19:53,359 --> 01:19:57,479
ever going to get an answer to it. But supposedly

1322
01:19:57,520 --> 01:20:00,399
from what I heard secondhand, they did get I Mulai

1323
01:20:00,479 --> 01:20:02,520
detector test and he passed that.

1324
01:20:03,159 --> 01:20:06,760
Speaker 1: Let's agree to disagree on that one. But who knows.

1325
01:20:07,479 --> 01:20:11,560
Speaker 3: During her interrogation, Rose did say that she smashed Adam's

1326
01:20:11,560 --> 01:20:15,279
skull in the fire while it was burning with a

1327
01:20:15,319 --> 01:20:18,680
shovel before her boyfriend Mark could catch a glimpse of it.

1328
01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:22,680
But forget about Marky Mark for a second. What about

1329
01:20:22,760 --> 01:20:28,079
Rose's mother, Patty Mooney and her potential culpability in this crime?

1330
01:20:28,760 --> 01:20:31,880
Speaker 2: Looney Mooney, That's what we called her, Looney Mooney, not

1331
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:34,680
even her fruitcake. I think I'm am new too.

1332
01:20:35,439 --> 01:20:39,279
Speaker 3: It's important to note that neither Rose's sweetheart of a mother, Patty,

1333
01:20:40,199 --> 01:20:43,880
nor Mark the boyfriend, was ever charged with a crime,

1334
01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:50,079
despite all of our suspicions. As for Rose Chase, she'll

1335
01:20:50,079 --> 01:20:53,439
be eligible for parole as early as twenty thirty seven.

1336
01:20:54,279 --> 01:20:58,000
Whether or not Mark will be waiting for inmate one

1337
01:20:58,159 --> 01:21:02,119
for G zero zero five cents of an eye, Well,

1338
01:21:03,479 --> 01:21:35,239
I guess we'll just have to wait and see. All right,

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Speaker 3: All?

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of the political turmoil that's currently happening in this world,

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the last thing I want to do is tune in

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canceling my subscription. Good written.

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On December twelfth, twenty twenty one, a seventy seven year

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old woman was rushed to Hannibal Regional Hospital in Hannibal, Missouri.

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Her name was Tina. Tina was a kind, generous and

1387
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smart woman. Alongside her husband, she owned and operated a

1388
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successful business. But what was most important to Tina was

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her family. Tina had four children, fourteen grandchildren, and seventeen

1390
01:24:55,880 --> 01:24:59,760
great grandchildren. This is Tina's granddaughter Carly.

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01:25:00,439 --> 01:25:04,399
Speaker 9: December twelfth, twenty twenty one. It was a Sunday evening.

1392
01:25:04,960 --> 01:25:09,720
It's all a blur. My aunt Elsa called me and

1393
01:25:09,920 --> 01:25:14,159
she was very very short and frantic, and she just said,

1394
01:25:14,319 --> 01:25:15,479
get to the hospital.

1395
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Speaker 3: All of Tina's children and grandchildren loved Tina dearly, and

1396
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when they got the news that she was in the hospital,

1397
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many of them immediately began making their way to see her.

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This included Tina's daughter Elsa.

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Speaker 19: My mom's husband called me and told me that my

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mom was headed to the hospital, and I went ahead

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and got in my vehicle and started driving to Hannibal.

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01:25:40,119 --> 01:25:43,439
I didn't know what was going on. I was standing

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01:25:43,479 --> 01:25:47,640
at the hospital waiting, and then they took me to

1404
01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:50,840
the family waiting room, which and then handed me her

1405
01:25:50,920 --> 01:25:54,680
jewelry and said that it will be some time.

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately, not all of Tina's loved ones could go to

1407
01:25:58,600 --> 01:26:02,600
her because in December of twenty twenty one, the COVID

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pandemic had just started to wane.

1409
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Speaker 9: On the way to the hospital, I talked to my mom.

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01:26:07,439 --> 01:26:10,319
My mom actually had COVID at that time and was

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01:26:10,680 --> 01:26:14,079
unable to come, which was awful. They wouldn't let her

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01:26:14,079 --> 01:26:17,239
in the hospital. My mom basically said all she knew

1413
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was that she had collapsed and that she was unresponsive,

1414
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and that they had taken her to the hospital. All

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we knew at that point was they were still working

1416
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on her.

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Speaker 3: Tina's family waited for the hospital staff to give them

1418
01:26:31,159 --> 01:26:34,840
more information about Tina's condition, and when a doctor came

1419
01:26:34,880 --> 01:26:37,720
to see them, the news was all bad.

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Speaker 9: The doctor came in and told us that there's really

1421
01:26:41,680 --> 01:26:43,600
not much more that they could do for her, and

1422
01:26:43,640 --> 01:26:46,159
that we need to go say goodbye. That was the

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first time I had seen her when they told us

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that she wasn't going to make it, and it was awful.

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She was cocked up to all these machines and she

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was breathing, but she was only breathing because of the

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machine like stuff in her throat.

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Speaker 3: Tina's family was devastated and they were caught off guard.

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As far as they knew, Tina was a healthy woman.

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When she last spoke to her daughter Heidi the day before,

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Tina seemed completely fine.

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Speaker 13: She was doing great though.

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Speaker 10: When she had been to the doctor and the doctor's

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dog gab at Cleendale.

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Speaker 13: Hall and she was doing great. She had called me

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the day before.

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Speaker 10: I wanted to know what I wanted for Christmas.

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Speaker 3: Tina's family gathered around the hospital bed to say their goodbyes.

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They found themselves in a situation that, unfortunately many have experienced.

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Their oldest family member was dying. From the outside looking in,

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this likely seemed like a common occurrence. Tragic, yes, but common.

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Old people die every day and their loved ones have

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to say goodbye. That's just how life goes sometimes, though,

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this situation with Tina and her family was anything but common.

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The doctor told the family that Tina was dying from

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heart failure, but they all knew better. They all knew

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that this wasn't the case where an elderly woman's life

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was simply coming to an end. They knew that Tina

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01:28:18,960 --> 01:28:22,079
didn't just end up in a hospital bed, she was

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put there.

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Speaker 9: Just remember sitting in the waiting room just not knowing

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what was going on, but also like, there's no way

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01:28:30,079 --> 01:28:32,640
that she's going to die, Like she just went through

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01:28:32,680 --> 01:28:36,720
this terrible situation, Like there's no way that that's going

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to happen one after the other. And I just felt

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so bad for her because she had survived this terrible tragedy,

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and she can't even like see it through.

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Speaker 3: About a month before this tragic day at the hospital,

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Tina had been assaulted. And there's no word in the

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English language to describe just how how horrific that assault was.

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Putting it mildly, what Tina experienced was beyond brutal and

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extremely cruel.

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Speaker 17: What happened to her that night was something that doesn't

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happen in Adam's count That's a movie here on her.

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01:29:19,000 --> 01:29:22,960
That's something you watch on Halloween to scare you. That's

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not real life, but it was real life for Tina Lone.

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On November nine, twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 3: Tina and her family were traumatized by what had happened

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to her. The depravity of what Tina endured was more

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than any of them. Good bear, this is Tina's oldest grandson, Joshua.

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Speaker 12: She helped me raise me. She was like my second mom.

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We had a very close bond. She always tell me

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01:29:49,039 --> 01:29:52,880
how about she looked. She adored by forged children. She

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01:29:53,039 --> 01:29:56,680
made me made sure they were spoiled on every birthday

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01:29:56,720 --> 01:30:00,840
and Christmas. She loved Christmas and she loved giving gifts. However,

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as I watched the trial and learned the grewsome details.

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I became biscally sick.

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Speaker 13: How could you done that to my grandma?

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Speaker 3: The evil that Tina saw and experienced was beyond comprehension,

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and her family knew why her heart was failing. Tina

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was dying because she was brutally assaulted. Tina was dying

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from a broken heart. The assault she endured was killing her,

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01:30:31,880 --> 01:30:37,560
and Tina's family wanted the people responsible to pay. They

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01:30:37,680 --> 01:30:43,880
wanted justice. Unfortunately, Tina's family would come to find that

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01:30:44,079 --> 01:30:49,039
the justice they were seeking was elusive, and the struggle

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to get it became a never ending battle.

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Speaker 9: I don't think anything can prepare you for what we

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01:30:55,279 --> 01:30:59,359
went through. I think it's just still We're still not

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even over. I don't know if we ever will be.

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Speaker 3: Many of you know, or at least you can imagine

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01:31:05,439 --> 01:31:08,279
the pain and the grief that comes with losing a

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01:31:08,359 --> 01:31:12,359
parent or a grandparent. It can be the most tragic

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01:31:12,479 --> 01:31:16,840
thing that a family can experience. This was the case

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for Tina's family, but for them things were much worse.

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They were saddled with the burden of fighting for justice,

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and the fight became another tragedy all on its own.

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What you've just heard is an excerpt from our new

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Speaker 1: Thanks