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<v Speaker 1>If it's happening, shut the government down, to secure the border.

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<v Speaker 2>Fight for a future, make America great. To get it.

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<v Speaker 1>Happens year on fifty five KRC the Talk stage show,

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<v Speaker 1>Heyoh five and fifty five KRC Detalk Station, A very

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<v Speaker 1>Happy Friday to you, extra special getting away from politics

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<v Speaker 1>and actually kind of delving into politics at the same time.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a crazy decade the year of my birth

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty five and the year that this book begins with.

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<v Speaker 1>My next guest authored the book The Magical Decade, A

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<v Speaker 1>personal memoir and popular history of nineteen sixty five through

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy five. Welcome to the Morning Show, David hud Win.

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<v Speaker 1>By way of background, real quick, David, to let people

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<v Speaker 1>know who you are. Born in nineteen fifty So he's

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<v Speaker 1>got fifteen on me in Chicago, which is a great

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<v Speaker 1>place to be. I suppose back then we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about that. And so he was and eyewitnessed all

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<v Speaker 1>these things that were going on. Actually was at the

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<v Speaker 1>Beatles concert there Comiski Park in nineteen sixty five during

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<v Speaker 1>the British invasion, anti war press protesters in the Moonlighting

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<v Speaker 1>You saw it All, per author of was a teenage

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<v Speaker 1>Space Reporter, which is based on his Apollo eleven experiences.

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<v Speaker 1>He went to med school rather than stick with journalism

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<v Speaker 1>or his end and just recently retired. Congratulations on your

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<v Speaker 1>retirement and write and having published the book The Magical Decade.

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<v Speaker 1>It's good to have you on the Morning show.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you very much. It's a great pleasure to be here.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, let me just throw a bunch of stuff

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<v Speaker 1>at in rapid fire because I have a question that's

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<v Speaker 1>predicated on all this. I was just sitting there thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about I'm a student of this era. Actually it's just

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<v Speaker 1>a real it's a fascination for me. But I go

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<v Speaker 1>back to the Beat era, and you know Kerauak and

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<v Speaker 1>and and the and the authors from the Beat era

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<v Speaker 1>and how it progressed into the Hippie movement and all

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<v Speaker 1>the cultural change that was going on, and it was amazing,

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<v Speaker 1>which is why I find the era so fascinating. But

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<v Speaker 1>think about it right then and there in that decade,

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<v Speaker 1>you got the formation of Greenpeace, got the free speech movement,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Students for Democratic Society rioting over in Berkeley

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<v Speaker 1>under Mario Savio, the anti war movement because Vietnam Black pans,

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<v Speaker 1>you have assassinations JFK, RFK, Malcolm X Martin, Luther King.

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<v Speaker 1>You have bombings from the Simines Liberinary Liberation Army up

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<v Speaker 1>in Chicago, your neighborhood, the Watts riots in sixty five.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a and I'm just scratching the surface of

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<v Speaker 1>all those things. Were you aware of how tumultuous and

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<v Speaker 1>how transformative socially speaking a time it was while you

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<v Speaker 1>were living at beginning at age fifteen in nineteen sixty five, No,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Think I had the perspective, you know, at that age

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<v Speaker 2>to understand really what was going on. You know, each

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<v Speaker 2>event would come, the assassinations, the riots, the events in space,

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<v Speaker 2>the events in Vietnam, and I didn't keep them in perspective.

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<v Speaker 2>But years later I decided to write this book as

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<v Speaker 2>kind of the gifts to my kids and grandparents and

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<v Speaker 2>grandkids as far as you know, what were the sixties

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<v Speaker 2>and seven these really like? And doing the research for

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<v Speaker 2>the book, I got a much greater perspective on how

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<v Speaker 2>revolutionary this decade from sixty five to seventy five was.

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<v Speaker 1>Indeed, And let us start with something very positive, something

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<v Speaker 1>that I think everybody appreciates this day. You can go

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<v Speaker 1>to any radio right now, anywhere. And I'm not talking

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<v Speaker 1>about pre program radio or any particular identified satellite radio,

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<v Speaker 1>but I mean, just generally speaking, they're still going to

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<v Speaker 1>be playing music from the sixties. It was just it

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<v Speaker 1>was like the best decade ever for music. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>all the British Invasion bands, which had profound influence on

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<v Speaker 1>bands in the United States. Of course, they got their

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<v Speaker 1>influence from all blues artists and acts. You know, musically speaking,

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<v Speaker 1>we have I don't think we've ever had a better decade.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you get to go to a lot of concerts.

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<v Speaker 1>I knew he went to the Beatles concert at Comisky Park,

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<v Speaker 1>But were you aware of the awesomeness of what was

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<v Speaker 1>coming out material wise and creativity wise?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I was in the venue for appreciating the music.

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<v Speaker 2>I was in high school then, the first part of

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<v Speaker 2>the Magical decade. I was in high school till nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>sixty eight, and high school had dances in the gym

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<v Speaker 2>called sock hops because everybody had to wear socks. You

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't wear shoes because it would wreck the basketball floor.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I really got an appreciation for the music

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<v Speaker 2>at these high school dances and.

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<v Speaker 1>Moving over to more tumultuous thing. Well, obviously, the Vietnam

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<v Speaker 1>War was going on, clearly a lot of protesters, and

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it politically speaking, I thought it was an

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<v Speaker 1>interesting alignment that ended up forming, which is very analogous

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<v Speaker 1>to what's going on today. And I suppose you two

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<v Speaker 1>can draw some parallels disparate groups sort of working together

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<v Speaker 1>to fight against the system. You know, it was Vietnam

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<v Speaker 1>War protesters, it was the Echo warriors, Green Peace was

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<v Speaker 1>formed in sixty nine. Again, you had the free speech movement,

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<v Speaker 1>but all of them seemed to coalesce into one giant

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<v Speaker 1>coalition of protesters. I get a sense of that going

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<v Speaker 1>on today.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think it was certainly going on then. And

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<v Speaker 2>one of the catalysts for that was disdained by a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of young people then. For President Nixon and President

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<v Speaker 2>Johnson before them, both were kind of undone in different

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<v Speaker 2>ways by the Vietnam War. And there was a great

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<v Speaker 2>antipathy among young people then for the Vietnam War with

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<v Speaker 2>fifty two thousand dead until the latter lottery was institute

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<v Speaker 2>of the draft lottery, a very unfair draft system, and

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<v Speaker 2>that and so the young people their personal safety was

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<v Speaker 2>at risk. You point out one thing out. So much

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<v Speaker 2>of the issues then, more than fifty years ago, are

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<v Speaker 2>issues now. You look at a voting rights, abortion, foreign wars.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's amazing how the more things change, the more

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<v Speaker 2>they remain the same. The issues maybe in a different

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<v Speaker 2>context or phrase differently, but we're fighting politically over the

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<v Speaker 2>same type of thing that we fought about in this

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<v Speaker 2>period nineteen sixty five to seventy five.

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<v Speaker 1>More things change, the more they say the same. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>I understand for the notes you got tear gas at

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<v Speaker 1>the Vietnam War protests. You were getting into draft territory

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<v Speaker 1>there at your age at that time. Am I wrong?

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<v Speaker 2>No, you're right. And I had a student deferment, and

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<v Speaker 2>then when the draft lottery came, I had a very

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<v Speaker 2>high number, so I was not going to be not

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<v Speaker 2>going to be drafted, And I don't know what I

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<v Speaker 2>would have done had I had a load number in

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<v Speaker 2>subject to the draft. I was against the Vietnam War

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<v Speaker 2>when I was tear gas, though I was kind of

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<v Speaker 2>an innocent bystander. I was a student journalist then and

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<v Speaker 2>I covered in nineteen sixty nine the March on Washington

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<v Speaker 2>for my college newspaper, The Michigan Daily, and it was

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<v Speaker 2>a night before the main demonstration, and I was covering

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<v Speaker 2>a group of protesters who were headed towards the South

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<v Speaker 2>Vietnamese embassy. And they make a long story short, everybody

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<v Speaker 2>in the area was tear gassed. So I had my

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<v Speaker 2>first taste, or I guess with of teary asse at

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<v Speaker 2>that point.

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<v Speaker 1>How about that. That's interesting. And then you also were

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<v Speaker 1>at the first Moon launch. I know that was a

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<v Speaker 1>subject matter of your other book. I was a teenage

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<v Speaker 1>space reporter, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I had been interested in space since Sputnik, which is

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen fifty seven, and I was a very impressionable

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<v Speaker 2>seven year old boy then, and like a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>boys of that era, I was fascinated by space. And

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<v Speaker 2>when the moon landing attempt was announced for the July

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen sixty nine, I had turned I was just turning

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen then and was able to travel by myself. So

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<v Speaker 2>with a buddy of mine, we were able to get

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<v Speaker 2>NASA press credentials and that was actually down there as

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<v Speaker 2>armstrong columns and all, and lifted off towards the Moon.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was one of the most exciting experiences.

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<v Speaker 1>Of my life, I imagine, And you know, even as

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<v Speaker 1>a four year old, I do remember the television coverage

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<v Speaker 1>of the Moon launch, and of course, you know, one

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<v Speaker 1>small step for man, one giant step leaf for mankind.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't remember the words at that young age, but do

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<v Speaker 1>you remember watching on television. I was just just fascinated

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<v Speaker 1>by space program, and I had all kinds of rocket

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<v Speaker 1>toys and my little tang moon rover that came with

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<v Speaker 1>your jar of tang, which we drank because that was

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<v Speaker 1>what I guess the astronauts did you Were you at

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<v Speaker 1>this sixty eight convention by any chance, because obviously that

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<v Speaker 1>was a rather momentous, riotous occasion.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, luckily, in retrospect, I had to go and start

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<v Speaker 2>school at the University of Michigan in ann Arbor the

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<v Speaker 2>week of the convention. They were on a trimester system

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<v Speaker 2>and started early in August, so I just missed it.

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<v Speaker 2>That I had volunteered in the McCarthy Eugene McCarthy campaign

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<v Speaker 2>and would have been there if I hadn't had to

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<v Speaker 2>go to school and friends of mine were beaten up

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<v Speaker 2>and arrested.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there was a different view of law enforcement back then.

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<v Speaker 1>There's the law enforcement folks were rather applauded for their

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<v Speaker 1>there I say brutality on some of the protesters. It

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<v Speaker 1>was just sort of, you know, we're in for law

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<v Speaker 1>and order, and these punks are out here protesting and

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<v Speaker 1>they deserve the police baton beating that they get. I've

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<v Speaker 1>heard many comments like that over the years. What was

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<v Speaker 1>it like growing up in Chicago back then? I lived

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<v Speaker 1>in Chicago between nine in nineteen ninety eight, and I

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<v Speaker 1>know it was obviously during that period of time even

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<v Speaker 1>more murders and homicides per year than there is now.

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<v Speaker 1>But it was an interesting reality living there, growing up

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<v Speaker 1>in Cincinnati. What was it like back then? Because it

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<v Speaker 1>was far more segregated and divided back then.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Chicago was a city that was segregated, perhaps even

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<v Speaker 2>more so than certain parts of the southern United States.

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<v Speaker 2>There were certain neighborhoods where blacks lived in other neighborhoods

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<v Speaker 2>that were white neighborhoods, and by a series of restrictive

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<v Speaker 2>covenants in leases by pressure, the people in one neighborhood

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<v Speaker 2>did not sell to people from another group, and it

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<v Speaker 2>was very segree I think it's telling that doctor Martin

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<v Speaker 2>Luther King that after he concentrated on voting rights in

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<v Speaker 2>the South that he came to Chicago in nineteen sixty six,

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<v Speaker 2>started a campaign for fair housing in Chicago, and there

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<v Speaker 2>is all types of conflicts over this at that time.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that would be amazing to someone who

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<v Speaker 2>lived then that African American is now the mayor of

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<v Speaker 2>Chicago compared to then when the mayor was a long

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<v Speaker 2>term mayor was Richard J. Day, a politician of Irish descent.

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<v Speaker 2>So in terms of the power base of Chicago, things

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<v Speaker 2>have really changed through the years.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no doubt about it. I guess the Harold Washington

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<v Speaker 1>first black mayor in Chicago, he was there between eighty

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<v Speaker 1>three and eighty seven. I actually it was a little

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<v Speaker 1>later than that, if I recall. But yeah, during my

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<v Speaker 1>closener of my time there, let me get your comments

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<v Speaker 1>on the Hipbie movement. Always fascinated by the Hipbye movement,

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<v Speaker 1>the idea that having longer hair, which is ubiquitous these

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<v Speaker 1>days on a guy was looked down upon by society

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<v Speaker 1>at large. Where were you in terms of your acceptance

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<v Speaker 1>of that philosophy, that concept, the free love and the

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<v Speaker 1>long hair and the beautiful colors and all that relative

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<v Speaker 1>the more conformist, you know, very tight high and tight

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<v Speaker 1>haircuts that men typically had. Clearly this was a divisive

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<v Speaker 1>thing within families. What was your personal experience along those lines.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, when I was in high school, I had a

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<v Speaker 2>tight military type crew cut. Yeah, and that kind of

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<v Speaker 2>laugh when I look at the pictures of myself from

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<v Speaker 2>you know, sixty five sixty six, the start of what

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<v Speaker 2>I call the Magical decade when I was in high school.

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<v Speaker 2>Later on I hit kind of a long, bushy haircut

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<v Speaker 2>and mustache, but it was still pretty conservative looking. But

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<v Speaker 2>for example, a cousin of mine, the first cousin of mine,

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen sixty seven, went to San Francisco for the

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<v Speaker 2>Summer of Love, and he got involved with drugs and

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<v Speaker 2>all kinds of stuff while they are and it's created

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<v Speaker 2>in the family a great deal of concern, and he

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<v Speaker 2>stayed up there and joined the commune.

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<v Speaker 1>Communes collunes and ashrams didn't work out real well for

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<v Speaker 1>most folks because from each according's ability to each according

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<v Speaker 1>to his need typically doesn't work out because people tend

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<v Speaker 1>to get lazy. My observation, not necessarily yours, mister Chudwin.

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<v Speaker 1>David Chudwin, author of the book We're Talking About Today,

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<v Speaker 1>which you can easily get on my blog page fifty

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<v Speaker 1>five KRCY dot com. The Magical Decade, a personal memoir

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<v Speaker 1>of and popular history of nineteen sixty five nineteen seventy five.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it just a history of the era? You're an autobiography?

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<v Speaker 1>You what would you characterize this book as for part

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<v Speaker 1>Company today?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think I turn give a different perspective. It's

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<v Speaker 2>an intersection between a personal memoir and a popular history

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<v Speaker 2>of the era. And I was very lucky to be

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<v Speaker 2>kind of the Forrest Gump during that decade in the

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<v Speaker 2>middle of everything, and so I talk about my personal

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<v Speaker 2>experiences but put it in the context of popular history.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been a great conversation this morning. I'll strongly encourage

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<v Speaker 1>my listeners to get over to my web page fifty

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<v Speaker 1>can get a copy of the book The Magical Decade

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<v Speaker 1>by my guest today, David Chudwyn. David, it's been a

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<v Speaker 1>real pleasure today, and thanks for sharing your experiences a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit here this morning. I know my listener is

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<v Speaker 1>going to really enjoy the book.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you very much. It's good to talk.

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