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Speaker 4: The criticism of the content, which was basically that maybe

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criticism broadly speaking. And since you are talking about this,

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across the other ford. Well, you know, let's just say

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in Minneapolis, where it is very much in November. It

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This Stephen Hayward is not in his accustomed place, if

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Speaker 3: So, I'm actually in Washington, DC, attending the annual National

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a lawyer, but I slumme it with these lawyers, right,

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you got to keep up with them. Where About an

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blistering attack on Tucker Carlson and calling out the cowardice

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of people who won't challenge Tucker Carlson. So, for what

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it's worth, that's what's going on here up in DuPont

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Speaker 2: Interesting. I was seeing a tweet by somebody that I

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were saying that the whole intern I scene squabbles in

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the right, with some people coming down on Tucker, and

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some people coming down on Tucker for platforming Nick Fluentes,

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and some people just coming down on Nick Fluentdays in

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the first place. It makes him feel like a dad

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who wants to reach around in the car back seat

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and tell him, if you don't stop squabbing, I'm gonna

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turn this guy around and go right thinking, No, that's

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not what it's like, that's not what it's like at all.

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of the party, if this is going to be something

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that we have to consider because we're just asking questions

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because we've just been enthralled for so long to this

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poisonous element of international hand rubbing. Hook knows jewry You know,

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if you can't say anything about them, you know, then

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tells you who you're leaders. I'm sorry, I don't want

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this interview with Tucker Carlson and says, you know that

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that down the road would be this boy. You know what,

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but no Bingo card ever has. Tucker Carlson goes off

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the you know, the cliff, the under the letter I.

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a okay by the heritage boys.

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Speaker 2: I think we know, Charles C. W. Cook. We have

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how skip the weather and go right to it. What

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your architect or cleaner or plumber. That is a good

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forum in which to live and let live. But politics

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and what you believe. Obviously, so the notion that it's

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cancel culture for a movement such as ours to say

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we don't want Nazis in it, it's philosophically ridiculous. Before

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you get to the details, the practical side of this

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really annoys me, because although I am against the toleration

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of people who say paint the Jews, I understand that

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there is a line somewhere at which you say we

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need a big coalition. We need to accept that people

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Speaker 1: I talk about this in that I'm a Reaganite conservative

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who's for free markets and against tariffs, and is classically

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liberal in most of his presumptions. And I know that

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between depending on the time, thirty and fifty five percent

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of the Republican Party is not. And I think it's

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fine in most circumstances. That's why I'm not at the bulwark.

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the party to ebb and flow and have those disagreements.

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were much more trumpy. We had Senator Taft who was

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more trumpy on foreign policy. We had Pat Buchanan in

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nineteen ninety two challenged George H. W. Bush, and so on.

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What I find annoying the James is that that ecumenicalism

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that I have just described is claimed by the people

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who now say that we have to tolerate Nick Frentes,

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but not practiced. They shout at me and anyone who

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always trying to kick people out. So it was funny

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an election this week. I know he didn't have anyone

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running in it on or endorse them or help them,

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Lindsey Graham. If you think the Republicans are better off

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Speaker 2: There are bright lines. Yes, we want a big tint.

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incorporate contrary views sometimes to illustrate and inform and sharpen

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our own and to reach your concensus out of all that.

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child sacrifice, I'm going to say, maybe that's a line

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that we're not going to cross. That's a bright dividing

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line that makes me not want this person in there,

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because A, they're going to be boring you at the

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table all the time about how the Carthaginians had it

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right with the child sacrifice. But b these are things

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beyond the pale, and there are things that ought to

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be beyond the pale. Now, Steve and I were talking

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earlier about the casual anti semitism on the right that's arisen,

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your heart sinks, because the left, as we know, has

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been asking its own anti semitism with the usual indigenous

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people revolt, the oppressor oppressed dynamic, the Palestinian question. It

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gives them a way to say, oh, they choose a

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choose without actually coming out and saying it, because they've

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got the word zionis is to uncover. But on the right,

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there seems to be a very well Stephen, describe what

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who I think is intellectually unstable. I think if you

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go through his corpus of writings throughout his career, you

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can make out that as you're right, as bright as

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he is, and and he's important because he was a

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Speaker 5: And I thought he gave a poor answer.

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Speaker 3: But I met several students there, really bright solid conservatives,

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very well read.

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Speaker 5: They know the cannon.

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Speaker 3: And several of them said to me when I asked

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you who's going to succeed Charlie Kirk because they were

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still very upset about Kirk's death, and they said, well,

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you know, we think it might be this Nick Twente's guy.

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little weird. He says some crazy stuff, but you know,

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he grabbed their attention. And I found that startling. After

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a couple of you know, actually three four days of

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meeting and doing long seminars with some of these students,

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and then the young lady says to me, drive me

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to the airport. Sweet girl, She's driven me the airport

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to Memphis before it's an hour long trip. She said, yeah,

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do wonder why do we give all this money to Israel? Now,

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I want to stipulate that I didn't detect any anti

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Semitism among these students I met. I don't think they

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have any of that, but I do think they have

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been prone to the propaganda. I think a lot of

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it originates overseas, and there's not been a lot of pushback.

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So I mean, I explained a couple of people, well,

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actually most of the ab give to Israel is military aid.

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and they'll said, oh, I didn't know that. I'd never

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heard that before. I guess that makes some sense, right,

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But I thinks are bad, and so I think we

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need to figure out something fast because we are losing

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a certain segment of younger conservatives over to this at

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best ambiguous situation.

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Speaker 2: Charles, do you think it might have to be with

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just young people enjoying somebody who's taking on the shiblots,

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who's taking on the sacred cows? You know, apptita bourgeoisie.

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Let's say the shock value of it all is Steve

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calls him a shock jack. That that, I mean, while

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that's certainly part of being young and loving to splash

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around in the muck, there are other directions from which

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one can come that don't take this. I mean, you

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can be outrageous about a whole bunch of issues. This

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seems to be one that is a It's a big

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warning to me. When people start to believe in this,

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then it's very easy for them to slip into a

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casual hatred of the people who you know, you know,

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the Jews, because frankly, yeah, they say, we can't criticize them, Well,

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you know what, what makes them so special? And the

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next thing you know, the next thing you know, and

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the next thing you know.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm in two minds on this. I will say

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before I share my two minds, that there is of

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course nothing wrong with anyone, especially in the United States,

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separate country, criticizing Israel or American foreign policy. And if

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that were the extent of it, we wouldn't be having

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this conversation. I mean, two minds as to why this

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problem has arisen. On the one hand, I do think

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Trump is an expression of this to some extent, that Conservatives,

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because they were successful in many ways, had and maybe

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have still forgotten the argument that led them to their maxims,

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by which I mean a lot of conservative argument in

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favor of Israel, and I am very pro Israel. Does

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not explain in the way Steve just did why our

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relationship with Israel is important. It just declares it. They

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just say we must stand with Israel, and when you

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do that without the substance, the support atrophies among people

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who haven't been around for fifty years. On the other hand,

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while that is a problem in general with conservatism, the

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people who hate Israel are quite clever, and they are

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very very good at conflating hatred of the Jews, conspiracy theories,

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the oldest prejudices with reasonable sounding contemporary policy disputes, and

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most of the problem that we're discussing manifests itself in

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ways that are simply indefensible. You'll be in a conversation

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and it won't be why do we give a few

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billion dollars to Israel. It will be the Israelis bombed

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the USS liberty, or the Israelis have a secret plan

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to flood the country with the legal immigrants, or the

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Israelis they run the banks, or they've bought our politicians,

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or the Jews tricked the White Star Line into sinking

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the Titanic so that the federal you know.

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Speaker 2: Well that was that one's not in dispute, Charles, Well, it.

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Speaker 1: Did hit an iceberg, as someone pointed out to me, right,

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that's right. So you know, I I do think there's

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some confusion, and I do think Conservatives haven't done as

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good a job as they could have. At the same time,

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so much of this stuff is tied to a preference

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for conspiracy theories that has come back on both sides

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of the aisle in such force, and of course, into

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that maelstream, we're going to put the main conspiracy theory

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in the human history, which is the Truce did it,

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and we should stand up against it. And we shouldn't

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accept the lie that this is just about Benjamin Netto's leadership.

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Speaker 2: Come on, if somebody, though, knows nothing about the situation

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and they say, yeah, whay do we give so much

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money to them, it indicates to me that they haven't

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given the slightest look more than a second at the

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region itself. And what constitutes the governments and the cultures

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around it. It doesn't. It seems silling to me that

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they would somehow say that this particular little sliver of

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a country is is. It's very curious why we're so

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attached to them, and why we're not equally attached to

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these which have cultures that are absolutely contrary and antithetical

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to all the things that we, as good Westerners believe.

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I don't get that. I mean a cursory look at

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the situation. A glance at the situation will tell you

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exactly why perhaps we have thrown in our fortunes with

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this little New Jersey sized sliver than the rest of it.

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I don't know what there is more to go on?

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Speaker 3: Well, can I just add one thought to that, James?

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I mean, we've been concentrating on interest in geostrategy. I

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gree complete with what you just said, but I think

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we want add one other dimension. So you know, one

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of things Tucker said was I hate Christian Zionists. I'm

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not sure exactly what he means by that. I'm not

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sure what a Christian Zionist is. I think I might

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be one, rightly understood, But you know, when that student

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asked JD. Vance, by the way, why are we allied

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with Israel? They have a religion that's different and hostile

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to ours, And my thought was Ronald Reagan would have

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answered that with a single sentence. Reagan would have said,

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it's called the Judeo Christian tradition for a reason, and that,

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to me is ultimately the bedrock of why we are

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allied with Israel. Even at the Middle East or at peace,

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they would still be one of our best friends in

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the world for that reason alone, full stop, right right right.

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Speaker 2: And you know, when you look into Judeo Christian as

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a concept, there are difficulties there. There, there are contrary strains,

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there are things that you have to entangle. But at

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the heart of it is like the same thing when

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we say, when we refer to Western civilization, there are

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basic fundamental precepts that the like pornography, you know, may

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not be able to define it, but I know it

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when I see it, and that's what binds them to

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us and to you know, and to Western civilization, which

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has done its best to try to kill them for

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the last two thousand years.

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Speaker 3: Kind of gave you one more sentence on that. It

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was from Winston Churchill in the last volume it was

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World War Two Memoirs, where he said all that is

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best in Western civilization owes its origin to Jerusalem and Athens,

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reason and revelation see and he understood the connection.

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Speaker 1: That there's also a point at which it becomes quite

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pointless trying to reason with people who've decided they hate Jews,

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because the arguments are not only made in bad faith,

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but are unfalsifiable. Jane Nordlegger pointed this out to me

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that they switch on a dime. So you say, why

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do you hate the Jews, And I'll say, wow, I

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hate the Jews because they're socialists, are communists. They came

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into this country with their radical politics, and they destroyed

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our American system of capitalism and free enterprise, and they

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created a race war and all the crap they believe, right,

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And then you say, oh, okay, I don't think that's true.

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And then they go, yeah, well, I hate them because

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they're capitalists, because they came in and they run all

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the banks, and they got rid of our welfare system

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and now they have all the money and the average

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working person can't. Then they let immigrants in so they

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could exploit and you're like, hang on a minute, those

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two things are complete opposites of one another. You're just

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going with whatever it is at that moment. You know,

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people do this with Americans too, right, it's Americans. The

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problem with them is that they worship the body they

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worship's hair brushing, and they're just obsessed with bodybuilding. The

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other problem with Americans, if you need it to be,

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is that they're all fat and o beasts that don't

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care about themselves. It's just like, once you've decided you

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hate someone, you can find a reason for it. And

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that's why, ultimately you just have to stand up and say,

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you know what, there will always be people who hate

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the Jews, but they're not going to be in our

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movement because that's just not what we do here.

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Speaker 5: Yep.

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Speaker 2: As well as far as being supervisial and body conscious,

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Sidney Sweeney, goodness, she did an interview and I saw

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a little snippet of it where this woman was trying

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to get her to say, Okay, you can kind of

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say you're sorry now because you know, the whole gens

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thing and the white supremacy and it's just a bad

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time to be talking about jeans, you know, this is

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your opportunity to apologize and get around that. And her

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response was basically no was when I have something to

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say about things, I'll say it. I did a gene ad,

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I wear jeans all the time, refusing to take de

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bait and showing exactly how it's done. Everything this woman does, somehow,

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somehow seems to be this culture war clash, which is

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quite remarkable really, and it's coming from people who probably

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twenty thirty years ago, thirty forty years ago would have

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defended the Brooks Shields Ads because it was chic and

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it was transgressive and all the rest of it. But

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this is a bad ad because Nick Foent's has probably

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you know, been holding up picture of her in the

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jeans to the wall with one hand for three weeks. Now,

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did you did you see any did you what what?

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He just was trying to find some tape or some pins.

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I don't know if you guys saw the interviewer or

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whether or not you think women Yeah, no, I don't. Yeah,

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I think you're I think you're right. That's that's well.

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Speaker 1: So they keep saying on the left that this was

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a beloved ad among the white supremacist and I've seen

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literally no evidence of this whatsoever. It's all in their heads.

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Speaker 2: I don't know who these people are.

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 2: It has been a weak, apparently stunning victories for the

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laugh of the Democrats and the rest of it. I

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generally am not all that interested in most election post

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mortems because they're local, but some of them are indicative.

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It's interesting that in Virginia, of course, you know, the

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racist population, the white supremacist population of Virginia rejected the

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opportunity to be led by a strong, smart black woman.

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You had a fellow who won the ag race by

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five six points who had previously announced his desire to

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shoot his opponents in the head, and your little dog too,

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and your children, which may, given his electoral success, have

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a bunch of people trying to invent a time machine

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so they too can go back and fabricate tweets about

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themselves fantasizing about the death of their opponents. But the

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New York mayor election was the one that probably got

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most people's attention because it seemed the stupidest. It seemed

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the most unforced air, seemed the most willing descent into

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the worst form of politics and economics than you can

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possibly imagine for the city. And it was facilitated by well,

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probably by very rich people who wanted to do the

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right thing and thought that this shiny new socialist was

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the best hope for New York, or just liked the

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idea of just putting a thumb in the eye of

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America by electing him, And of course by all the

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young women that I saw on Twitter and x and

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TikTok who were proudly declaring that they just voted for

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him because he was going to bring back well New York.

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They've only been able to imagine it. Free buses, grocery

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stores run by the state, and something something else. I

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don't know. So, guys, what do you think it portends

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for New York in the short and the long term?

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Or is this just going to be another one of

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those guys Deblasio style comes in, wasting off a lot

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of money in the city and nevertheless manages to survive

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because it's a colossus on its own right, too big

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to fail, perhaps which we know it isn't.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's too big to fail in the sense that

474
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,519
it weren't collapse. It's too big to fail in the

475
00:25:06,559 --> 00:25:09,160
sense that it is unlikely Wall Street's going to move

476
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,160
to Dallas. It's too big to fail in that. It

477
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:19,039
turns over its population almost completely every fifty years. It

478
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,319
is still the center of the world. It's not too

479
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,319
big to fail in that. And I know you're not

480
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:31,960
suggesting this. The political leadership doesn't matter. I moved to

481
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,960
the United States in twenty eleven, and I moved to

482
00:25:35,039 --> 00:25:38,839
New York, and my parents were nervous about it because

483
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,440
they'd been to New York in the eighties and they

484
00:25:41,519 --> 00:25:44,039
thought it would be like that, it would be dangerous,

485
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,720
And in fact, in twenty eleven, when I lived in

486
00:25:47,759 --> 00:25:51,920
New York, it was safer than London. And if you

487
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:57,640
were in Manhattan, as I was, it was much preferable

488
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:01,720
to being in London. Not because London had more crime everywhere,

489
00:26:01,799 --> 00:26:05,720
but because in London the crime happens in all parts

490
00:26:05,759 --> 00:26:08,440
of the city, including the nice bits, whereas in New

491
00:26:08,519 --> 00:26:11,839
York that isn't true, or wasn't in twenty eleven. If

492
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,319
you were in Manhattan in twenty eleven, you were pretty

493
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:20,079
much guaranteed to be spared the crime. And I used

494
00:26:20,079 --> 00:26:21,880
to tell people back in England who would ask me

495
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:25,359
about it, because their conception of New York was nineteen seventies,

496
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,839
nineteen eighties New York as well, that I could probably

497
00:26:27,839 --> 00:26:30,359
walk around the streets with cash in one hand and

498
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,000
an iPhone and the other at one o'clock in the morning, drunk,

499
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,640
and no one would touch me. And that's not true.

500
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:39,279
Now New York is not dead, but New York is

501
00:26:39,319 --> 00:26:44,079
not twenty eleven New York anymore. That Giuliani Bloomberg legacy

502
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:49,319
has been squandered. Builde Blasio did not take New York

503
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,400
back to nineteen seventy eight, but he certainly took it

504
00:26:53,519 --> 00:27:00,160
back to the mid nineties before it got really, really good.

505
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:04,400
And that's a disgrace. It's an absolute disgrace to have

506
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,960
gone through what New York did, to have made the

507
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:12,599
difficult changes to know how to do it. Obviously, conservatives

508
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,119
know this story. Steve said, they know the canon. These

509
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,000
conservatives he has been talking to, Well, part of the

510
00:27:17,039 --> 00:27:19,400
canon is James Q. Wilson. Part of the canon is

511
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,960
really Jilli High and police broken windows and all of this.

512
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:24,039
Speaker 2: This is not a secret.

513
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,839
Speaker 1: So I am worried for New York in that respect,

514
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:30,599
and then I'm worried for it in a second and

515
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:34,519
related respect, which is how many people are going to

516
00:27:34,599 --> 00:27:38,319
move out. I don't worry about that. As a Floridian,

517
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,359
the people who move here tend to be more conservative.

518
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,559
We now have one and a half million Republican registration

519
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,759
advantage because people have moved in from the Northeast and elsewhere.

520
00:27:47,559 --> 00:27:50,880
That doesn't hurt me here, but it hurts New York

521
00:27:51,279 --> 00:27:53,400
because you need to have a critical mass of people

522
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,200
who are persuadable that they don't have to live like this,

523
00:27:56,279 --> 00:27:59,039
which is what you got with Julianni and then Bloomberg.

524
00:27:59,839 --> 00:28:02,000
If they've all moved, even if it's just in New

525
00:28:02,079 --> 00:28:05,839
Jersey or southern Connecticut, how does the city fix itself?

526
00:28:06,079 --> 00:28:09,039
Chicago hasn't had a Republican may since nineteen thirty four.

527
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:13,799
It cannot fix itself because everyone's left. So that's the

528
00:28:13,839 --> 00:28:16,000
bit that worries me, is that Mam Donnie will make

529
00:28:16,039 --> 00:28:20,079
it worse. He'll squander what's left of that legacy, and

530
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,519
then no one will stick around to fix it, so

531
00:28:22,599 --> 00:28:23,400
it will spiral.

532
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 2: Well, they'll stick around, perhaps, but only forty nine percent

533
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,440
of the year. If you can move to Florida, really,

534
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,240
if you can, If you can move to Florida and

535
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,319
have that as your primary residence, but also have a

536
00:28:34,319 --> 00:28:37,240
piedoitar in Billionaire's Row or in Park Slope for that matter.

537
00:28:37,519 --> 00:28:39,359
Then you're able to come back and avail yourself of

538
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,880
all the things you love about Manhattan. The store is

539
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,079
Times Square, you are my wife. Goodbye city life and

540
00:28:45,119 --> 00:28:46,839
the you know, the shops and the restaurants, and then

541
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,079
go back to Florida and pay no taxes and live

542
00:28:49,119 --> 00:28:51,240
a much more comfortable life. So they're not going to

543
00:28:51,359 --> 00:28:54,359
go They're just going to exacerbate this thing that supposedly

544
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,039
they're so mortified by, which is the class distinctions they're

545
00:28:57,039 --> 00:28:59,039
going to make. It's not going to get cheaper. Rent

546
00:28:59,039 --> 00:29:01,480
control will only make it more expensive and mean that

547
00:29:01,559 --> 00:29:04,440
nobody won't build anything. We just lost here in Saint Paul,

548
00:29:04,799 --> 00:29:08,279
the city across the river got rid of their mayor

549
00:29:08,799 --> 00:29:11,279
who had been part of the whole rent control apparatus,

550
00:29:11,279 --> 00:29:13,799
and it's been disastrous for the city. Everybody saw it. Immediately,

551
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:15,960
all the building permits dropped to one, you know, from

552
00:29:16,119 --> 00:29:18,680
you know, from one thousand to one, and that'll happen

553
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:23,079
to New York. I mean, nobody will notice exactly the

554
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,519
additional economic boat anchors being draped around the next of

555
00:29:26,559 --> 00:29:29,319
the companies, because nobody notices the person they don't hire,

556
00:29:29,759 --> 00:29:33,519
Nobody notices the skyscraper that doesn't get built. Actually all

557
00:29:33,559 --> 00:29:36,160
of the I mean, there's just less of things that

558
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,240
you don't notice because they don't happen because of what

559
00:29:38,359 --> 00:29:38,799
was done.

560
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 3: Well sorry, well what they will notice in New York

561
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,079
is when the buses, the free bus has become rolling

562
00:29:45,079 --> 00:29:48,119
homeless shelters, and they will know who to blame because

563
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:49,880
he was so associated with it. Whether he can make

564
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,240
that actually happen is he might actually people say, oh,

565
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,559
there's the MTA or whatever it's called, have the real authority,

566
00:29:55,559 --> 00:29:58,279
but he can. He can pressure the MTA or appoint

567
00:29:58,319 --> 00:30:01,599
new members and so forth. But the brightside sort of

568
00:30:01,759 --> 00:30:06,599
is this mondami is now the leading progressive celebrity in

569
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:10,279
the country and he has responsibility. I mean, unlike Elizabeth

570
00:30:10,279 --> 00:30:12,799
Warren and AOC and Bernie Sanders, what do they do?

571
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,640
They give speeches? Mondamie actually has to perform a lot

572
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,000
of his wreckage will happen somewhat slowly, but at a

573
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:23,559
certain point. You mentioned Chicago. I think Charles mayor Brandon Johnson,

574
00:30:23,599 --> 00:30:26,079
I think his approval rating is in the single digits.

575
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 5: I think nine percent last I saw.

576
00:30:27,759 --> 00:30:31,599
Speaker 3: It, and you know, Mondamie, you could easily see three

577
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,839
four years from now Mondamie plumbing those deaths even with

578
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,839
New Yorkers. Now, is there's somebody, even a sensible Democrat

579
00:30:37,839 --> 00:30:40,680
who's come along. Maybe not, but you know, out in

580
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,000
San Francisco, I can tell you since I live out

581
00:30:43,039 --> 00:30:45,359
there and visit the city from time to time. It's

582
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,440
getting better in a hurry. It's coming back fast. Why

583
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,039
they elected a Democrat who's not an idio law He's

584
00:30:51,079 --> 00:30:53,599
actually from the what lotter is his name, Dan Lourie.

585
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,799
He's from the Gap family or something like that, or

586
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,480
Levi Strauss maybe one of the big parel companies that

587
00:30:59,519 --> 00:31:02,000
goes back to a gold rush. He's not interested in

588
00:31:02,119 --> 00:31:04,400
making rhetorical fights with Trump. He says, I just want

589
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,720
to fix the city, and he's moving fast to do that.

590
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,519
So you know, I mean, this will sound kind of fancible,

591
00:31:09,559 --> 00:31:12,200
but it wouldn't surprise me if five years from now

592
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,960
we're talking about the first term of the comeback under

593
00:31:15,039 --> 00:31:16,319
Mayor Bill Ackman.

594
00:31:17,519 --> 00:31:21,079
Speaker 1: Ah, that would be interesting. I think he wants to

595
00:31:21,119 --> 00:31:26,799
be president, but he may have to settle Chicago, right.

596
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, the progressive left. A big part of it is

597
00:31:29,519 --> 00:31:31,680
that worse is better. I mean, that's always kind of

598
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,440
an idea for the left, because the worst things are

599
00:31:33,559 --> 00:31:35,960
that means that you just haven't you just haven't done enough.

600
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,480
If the bus has turned into rolling homely shelters and

601
00:31:38,519 --> 00:31:40,920
everybody's being assaulted by wide eyed men who are waving

602
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,480
around box cutters, well the solution for that, obviously is

603
00:31:44,519 --> 00:31:48,279
to abolish capitalism, because it's it's it's what's produced this inequity,

604
00:31:48,319 --> 00:31:51,480
et cetera. But people don't go for that. People don't

605
00:31:51,519 --> 00:31:54,599
buy that. People hear enough stories about somebody being garrotted

606
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,920
on their subway platform, and the last thing they think of,

607
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,039
you know what, we really do need to up end

608
00:31:59,119 --> 00:32:01,559
this order completely and start fresh from years here. Know

609
00:32:01,599 --> 00:32:04,000
what they want is for guys in uniforms, burly people

610
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:05,880
to come along and take them and put them away

611
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:09,920
into bins. And that I hope, as Stephen was saying

612
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:11,799
that six years from now, that's what we'll be hearing.

613
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,240
But it's a lesson that has to be learned over

614
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,680
and over and over again. And you just don't know

615
00:32:17,759 --> 00:32:22,400
why the aggregate effect of this kind of rule doesn't

616
00:32:22,559 --> 00:32:25,400
sink into New Yorkers. It's just is it? Because there's

617
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:29,359
just a lot of ruin in a society. And you know,

618
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:30,759
as I said before, the city is not going to

619
00:32:30,799 --> 00:32:35,279
fall apart, but there's a lot of ruin in society,

620
00:32:35,359 --> 00:32:36,759
and there's a lot of things that have to happen

621
00:32:36,799 --> 00:32:39,599
in New York before people start to demand more. Well,

622
00:32:40,119 --> 00:32:41,839
one of the republic one of the Democrats, the other

623
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:43,640
day said that we're getting to the point of the

624
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,160
shutdown where planes are going to start falling out of

625
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,319
the sky and maybe that will put people to the

626
00:32:49,359 --> 00:32:51,880
negotiation table. I thought it was a new twist on

627
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,440
wishing your opponents dead, and again it's one of those

628
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,079
worsest better things. Haven't any planes fall out of the

629
00:32:57,119 --> 00:33:01,319
sky yet. Planes are being canceled because the FAA shortfalls.

630
00:33:01,759 --> 00:33:05,880
But thirty eight days in as of this podcast, record

631
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,519
breaking shutdown, I guess we have to say something about it.

632
00:33:09,599 --> 00:33:11,640
So it's supposed to vote again. I think for the

633
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:13,400
one hundred and forty seventh the time on a house

634
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:17,839
pasted CR clean, CR. I think, not filthy as the

635
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,359
others are. More. Do you think this goes Do you

636
00:33:21,359 --> 00:33:24,319
think the Democrats will eventually cave and say, okay, okay,

637
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,599
clean cr we'll hammer out the stuff later or not.

638
00:33:29,039 --> 00:33:29,279
Speaker 5: Yeah.

639
00:33:29,319 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 3: So I think if I'm keeping up with the news today,

640
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:33,839
and I'm never sure if I am, I think it's

641
00:33:33,839 --> 00:33:35,599
already failed in the Senate today.

642
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 5: Oh okay.

643
00:33:36,359 --> 00:33:39,079
Speaker 3: And I think you know, I did predict last week

644
00:33:39,119 --> 00:33:41,200
that Democrats wanted to wait for the election and that

645
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:42,920
they had a big result it was going to stiffen

646
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:44,680
their spines to hold out for more. So I think

647
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,720
they are, now i'll say it, greedy. I think they

648
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,799
think that they're going to get Republicans to fold, and

649
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,359
so I think they are not at all bothered by

650
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:55,720
airline cutbacks and so forth.

651
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 5: So now this is going to go on a while

652
00:33:57,920 --> 00:33:58,720
longer yet.

653
00:33:58,599 --> 00:34:01,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, Charles, you'll be with me on this. One of

654
00:34:01,079 --> 00:34:02,799
the things is they're saying that they're waiting for them

655
00:34:02,799 --> 00:34:04,960
to fold one of the things that's the hardest to fold,

656
00:34:05,039 --> 00:34:09,159
and everybody, everybody knows this is a fitted sheet. Now,

657
00:34:09,159 --> 00:34:11,079
a regular sheet has got corners on it and you

658
00:34:11,119 --> 00:34:13,360
can fold it nicely. But a fitted sheet has got

659
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,360
that elastic under it, and it's impossible to fold the

660
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,920
things to put them away. But you got cozy earth

661
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:21,920
sheets You're never gonna want to put them away. You're

662
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,480
gonna want to have them on your bed all year round.

663
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,800
Now it's getting cozy, to use their own word, on

664
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:29,719
this earth here in this part of the country is

665
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,559
the temperatures go, and the leaves fall and the winter beckons.

666
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:34,280
And what, of course you want to do is make

667
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,800
a refuge out of your own home from the stresses outside.

668
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,239
We're inside and just crawl into beds sometimes and enjoy

669
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,280
a nice, warm, soft place. Hey, when the holidays get

670
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,079
busy and they get a little overwhelming, think about it.

671
00:34:47,159 --> 00:34:49,440
What's the gift you would like to give your loved

672
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:53,159
ones most. I'll bet you think I'm gonna say sheets,

673
00:34:53,159 --> 00:34:55,320
and I am, but I'm going to say a specific kind.

674
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:55,599
Speaker 5: For me.

675
00:34:55,639 --> 00:34:59,199
Speaker 2: It's the gift of slowing down and feeling cozy and

676
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,599
making home you're sanctuary to write out those bitter winter

677
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:06,519
months to come. And that's exactly what cozy earth provides. Charles.

678
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:08,639
I know you're in a place where the seasonal variation

679
00:35:08,679 --> 00:35:10,800
of temperatures is about seven degrees or so. You never

680
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,119
have the winters that we do. Snow does not lash

681
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,159
at your windows, gales do not put the temperature down

682
00:35:17,199 --> 00:35:20,199
to the twenties. But nevertheless, you are experienced as a

683
00:35:20,199 --> 00:35:22,320
man who's used these sheets both in hot weather for

684
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,000
their wicking ability and I guess in what you would

685
00:35:25,079 --> 00:35:28,159
call cold to keep you warm. And I know it's

686
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:29,400
only because your wife.

687
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: Likes them nice, not only but she is in charge.

688
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 2: Yes, of course I have.

689
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 1: Used them in both circumstances. And that's the impressive thing,

690
00:35:37,679 --> 00:35:39,840
because most of the time I want to stay cool.

691
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:43,440
I don't want to crawl into a warm bed. I

692
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:48,280
want to crawl into a cool bed, and these sheets

693
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:52,320
are pretty great at that. But it does occasionally get cold.

694
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:56,239
We did last year James go below freezing really up

695
00:35:56,280 --> 00:36:03,119
to thirty one one night. That is still cold. Even

696
00:36:03,119 --> 00:36:05,440
if it's thirty three to thirty four outside, that's still cold.

697
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,559
So I do love these sheets. My wife chose them,

698
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:10,920
she's in charge of the sheets. But I still sleep

699
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,039
in them, and I'm impressed.

700
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:15,599
Speaker 2: Well, he's been doing so for over one hundred nights.

701
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:17,239
If you would like to, if you would like to

702
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,760
do that yourself, Cozy Earth, they stand by their quality

703
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:22,960
and to show that their blankets come with a one

704
00:36:23,039 --> 00:36:27,719
hundred night sleep trial and a ten year warranty. SICCA

705
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:29,920
sheets that just started getting shreddered after two or three

706
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,960
ten years a decade. Look, try them out, you don't

707
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:36,679
love them, return them hassle free, but trust me, you

708
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:40,639
won't want to. Now Black Friday a big November term.

709
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:42,320
It's come early to Cozy Earth and right now you

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Let's see what up is going on here in the world.

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Oh Scotas, stuff Scotus. There are there are terriffs. Now

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we are told by Chris Matthews, of course that Donald

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Trump is acting like a king. He wants to be

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a king, So I assume that if the whole tariff

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thing goes against him, there will be at least six

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bloody severed heads on pikes outside of the White House,

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or maybe on the gate remb me outside the Oval

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Office with its new sign. What do you make of

731
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the tariff arguments so far and what do you think

732
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is the fallout going to be depending on which way

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it goes? Scotus fan that you are.

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Speaker 1: I'm just posing a second to whine myself up, James,

735
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because this is my area. What do I think of it?

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I think that the way in which the Trump administration

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has used AIPA is preposterous and an obvious threat to

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our constitutional order. And I thought that that was obvious

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from the oral arguments at the court earlier in the week.

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The foundational question here is of delegation. I am fairly

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radical on this. I don't think the court will touch this.

742
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But the tariff power is put into Article one, Section eight,

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along with the power of taxes and duties, and they

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are separately enumerated. The idea that Congress can hand one away,

745
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can give the president carte blanche, can create a tariff

746
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enabling active you will. It's preposterous and I think it

747
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would be seen as which if we were talking about

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income taxes. Imagine if tomorrow the president could just say

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the tax rate for those in bracket X is now

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why it would be chaos, But it would also be

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a big problem. Now the Supreme Court has ruled, and

752
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I'm not wild about this decision, but it is president

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in nineteen twenty eight that to delegate tariff powers to

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the president, there has to be a comprehensible principle. Forgot

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what the exact phrase is from that decision, but it

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cannot say the president can do already want. There is

757
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a line somewhere, but clearly this is well short of it.

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And even if it weren't in theory, it is in

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practice because the statute doesn't mention tariffs. This is the

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thing people don't talk about. This statute does not anywhere

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mention tariffs. And that's why the Solicitor General sour who's

762
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a very smart man, don't get me wrong, was left

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having to argue that lots of different words meant tariffs.

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But that's not how we run our system. That's not

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how textualism works. It's not how original public meaning works.

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If it were, we would have a big problem. And

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so I had to concede this because he said at

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some point that under his theory, a future democratic president

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could start imposing all sorts of taxes in the wake

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of a president declaring a climate emergency. But if this

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is allowed to stand, then what we have done is

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turned IEPA into an act that wipes out all the others,

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because we have said that the president if he deems

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there to be an emergency, in other words, if he

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deems it necessary, not if there are any circumstances delineated

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by Congress, like a blockade or a war, but if

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he deems it necessary, he can impose tariffs. Now, the

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approximate cause of these tariffs is that Trump doesn't like

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trade deficits. We can argue about trade deficits, but trade

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deficits have been with us for fifty years. In fact,

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there were trade deficits when this law was passed. So

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if this stands, we have told the President of the

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United States that he has complete, unfettered plenary power over trade,

784
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which would be a bit odd even for Trump, given

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that in twenty nineteen, Trump negotiated a trade deal that

786
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he said was the greatest in American history, So why bother,

787
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why bother going through that process, why bother getting Congress

788
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on side, and it passed with bipartisan support. If a

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president can at any point just say but I don't

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like this anymore. Canada has put out a commercial I

791
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don't like the tariffs have changed. It's a huge problem

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for our system. So even if you don't take the

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maximalist non delegation position that I do, I think the

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new Deal was a disaster for separation of powers in

795
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this regard. Just the specifics of this statute ought to

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be wiped away by the court and they should use

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the Major Questions dot Com to do it. And bonus,

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they should get Elena Kagan and anyone else they can

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to go along with it and endorse that doctrine so

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that next time, when it's about climate change or something

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conservatives like, then they can point to her and say,

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wait a minute, aren't you on board now?

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Speaker 5: Right right?

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Speaker 2: What a what a literal minded, textualist kind of way

805
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to look. It's as if Charles doesn't think the Constitution

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is living and or breathing.

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Speaker 3: Stephen, Yeah, So I'm with Charles I would love to

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see a big revival of the non delegation doctrine, unlikely

809
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not to happen. For listeners unacquainted with any of the

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fine points of this, the one sentence analogy would be

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that the non delegation doctrine is to our jurisprudence what

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changing istan Bull back to Constantinople would be, which is

813
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something I'm for, by the way, but too Yeah, so,

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you know, I listen to some of the argument, and

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you know, walking around the Federal Society year, I've been

816
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to the collection of the greatest conservative legal minds and

817
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want to talk about it.

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Speaker 5: Yesterday and most.

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Speaker 3: People think it was a bad day for Trump Court,

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a rough day for listener. General sour As Charles says,

821
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But if you really shrewd observers say, not quite sure,

822
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it's a slam dunk. There was enough play in the

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joints and the way the questions went and some of

824
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the legal questions presented about the statute and other related matters.

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My best hunch on this is it might be a

826
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five to four ruling, even I'm not sure, and it

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might be very narrowly tailored to saying that Trump's use

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of what's the ie whatever that statute, as you mentioned, Charles,

829
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that that his use of it exceeds the textual boundaries

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of that statute. That would still leave some tariffs in

831
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place on other avenues, but they're harder and Trump can't

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just make it up as he goes along. I have

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a that's my hunch of well, how it's going to

834
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come out, But I don't think it's entirely clear right

835
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now because that argument, unlike some of the ones we've

836
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had in the last year involving Trump at the Court,

837
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where it was clear Trump won some of those nine

838
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zero right, this one's likely not to be nine zero.

839
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Speaker 2: Well, we've been told again by the people of the

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and the other talk shows that Trump has packed the

841
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Supreme Court and made it into his vassal and bends

842
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them to his will, which is no. So if he loses,

843
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it'll be interesting if any of them say, you know,

844
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I have to readjust my preconceptions. He might not actually

845
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be a king, since he hasn't killed the court or

846
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overwritten it, and he might not actually have them in

847
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his pocket after all, since they've just scotched one of

848
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his primary concerns. Hmm. I think I'll have to be

849
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more moderate about these things in the future. No, I

850
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don't think that's going to happen at all. Last point, guys,

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before we go, One of the things that's great about

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the anglosphere is that we have two examples of countries

853
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that show us what not to do. And when it

854
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comes to civil liberties and speech, England is one of them.

855
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I still worry about these things well when it comes

856
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to a lot of things. England is a worrisome example.

857
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But Canada, which has had the luxury to go, is

858
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what because it wants for a long time now and

859
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has been giving you these land and acknowledgments that take

860
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seven minutes of every single speech, going back to who

861
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was on this land fishing two hundred and fifty years ago,

862
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et cetera. Now finds itself in British Columbia in a

863
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very unusual situation. You have people who have homes who

864
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now don't really own them because the government has figured

865
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out that they actually belonged to the indigenous people that

866
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were on that island two hundred years ago, and who

867
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you know, contemporary sources describe as a nasty bunch of

868
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people too, slavery, enslavement, killing other tribes, taking all the

869
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other stuff. You know, not to single out Indigenous people,

870
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but just to say they behaved like human beings. They

871
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behave like human beings, have done absolutely everywhere in competition

872
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,920
for reces or just because it's fun, or just because

873
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this is what tribal societies do, etc. So now there's

874
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all this question about whether or not Canada is going

875
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to be a viable economic entity going forward, because all

876
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of a sudden, the precedent's been set, the claims are

877
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being made, and really ought not the settlers give it

878
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all back. Colonialists though they were imperialists, though they were

879
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of a natural paradise.

880
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Speaker 5: Though they were.

881
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Speaker 2: I mean, if the whole Western colonial enterprise was an

882
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absolute disaster, and those beautiful buildings that we see in

883
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the western part of the country, that symbolized parliamentary democracy

884
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and participation and rights for all the regardless of blood

885
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and soil, why not unwind that and see what we

886
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can do next.

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Speaker 3: Well, so, first of all, there's a parallel story that

888
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I thought you were going to bring up. I think

889
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out of Vancouver, where there's a plot of land in

890
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the urban core that was actually you know, Native Canadian

891
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land whatever they call First Nations they call them up there.

892
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And what's happened here in the last two three years

893
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and it's finishing right now, is they have complete sovereignty

894
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over this land the way we extended sovereignty, which has

895
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given us all the Indian casinos in America. And because

896
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they have complete sovereignty, they are exempt from normal planning

897
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and zoning rules of Vancouver.

898
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Speaker 5: So what have they done?

899
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Speaker 3: Fielding some big high rises, very high density, not the

900
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required amount of parking, not the required amount of street

901
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:09,000
lane widening, No bike lanes, probably I don't know about that.

902
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Speaker 5: Oh my god.

903
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the road diets.

904
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Speaker 5: We can talk about that separately, James.

905
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Speaker 3: But and and But the point is this has upset

906
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the neighbors.

907
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Speaker 5: Surprise, surprise. Right.

908
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Speaker 3: So either way, either you know, give all your land

909
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:24,599
back or let them ignore.

910
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Speaker 5: The admittedly flawed regulations.

911
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Speaker 2: Right you say the Indigenous people should be subject to

912
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the western colonials in oceans of zoning on street widening.

913
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I mean it goes without saying, of course, that they're

914
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going to put in bike lanes. The bike the inheritor

915
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to the noble horse. If you live in harmony with

916
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the earth, of course you're going to have Bikelnes, No,

917
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,440
it's probably going to think, No, there's some money to

918
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,639
be made from there, because we're sensible, practical people and

919
00:47:50,639 --> 00:47:52,599
we're going to do it. I did not have actual

920
00:47:52,679 --> 00:47:56,320
anarchic libertarian on my Well, of course my bingo card

921
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is completely unintelligible with all the words that are not

922
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on it. Uh in there. So, Charles, what say you

923
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about this matter? And do you think it's actually sort

924
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of come up? And so the people who've been mouthing

925
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,239
these platitudes for a long time without thinking that there

926
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would ever be any consequences.

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Speaker 1: Well, I do think that. I think this is actually

928
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one of the best criticisms of the people who go

929
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:24,400
on about Native Americans and who do land acknowledgments is

930
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:26,679
that they never say and that's why we at the

931
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:32,280
Microsoft Corporation are giving the land back. But I think

932
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more important is that this, if taken to its logical conclusion,

933
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and certainly if it were picked up in the courts

934
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by rogue judges, would essentially destroy the rule of law.

935
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We just talked about Tariff's and my argument was that AIPA,

936
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if construed in this way as a disaster because it

937
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:57,639
supersedes all other law relating to well, if you read

938
00:48:57,639 --> 00:49:02,880
it anything, well, so does this. Yes, if you don't

939
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:08,840
have confidence when you buy a house, or you buy

940
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:13,880
an office, or even you buy a tiny plot of

941
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:16,239
land to garden in or put a shed up on

942
00:49:16,519 --> 00:49:19,840
that it could not be taken away from you arbitrarily,

943
00:49:20,559 --> 00:49:25,639
then you lose the foundation of Western civilization, which at

944
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:26,880
least legally and.

945
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Speaker 2: You say that like it's a bad thing I did.

946
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When you buy a plot of land, then you are

947
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ascribing to Western notions of commodification of space. You're taking

948
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,639
things away from the general public, and the very idea

949
00:49:39,639 --> 00:49:41,639
that the rule of law is something that protects us

950
00:49:41,639 --> 00:49:43,679
all when we all know that the rule of law

951
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:45,800
is there to protect the rich. It is a fiction

952
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:50,039
that exists to extract resources from the lower classes and

953
00:49:50,079 --> 00:49:52,719
then code itself with righteousness because it has the law

954
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,679
on its site. Charles, You're not paying attention, is what

955
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:57,960
I'm saying. You say rule of law like it's a

956
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:00,119
good thing. You say the end of Western civil like

957
00:50:00,199 --> 00:50:03,079
it's a bat. Of course, I am being very specious

958
00:50:03,079 --> 00:50:06,039
in an obvious entiresome fashion. But really, the people who

959
00:50:06,039 --> 00:50:10,920
are behind this, the people who not not necessarily behind it,

960
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:14,920
like Jews, but I mean the ideological wind and energy

961
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:17,039
of the university and the way and the and the

962
00:50:17,119 --> 00:50:20,400
leftist culture that's behind it. In their I mean, they'll

963
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:23,119
tell you that, you know, in their dream world of

964
00:50:23,199 --> 00:50:26,280
everything that had been reconstituted, we would not have private property,

965
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:29,039
we would all be communal, we'd the dictariatatorship of the

966
00:50:29,079 --> 00:50:31,480
proletariat and all the rest of that. And since you

967
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:33,360
know that's not going to happen imminently, we have to

968
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:35,800
do this, this, and this, this and this. But scratch

969
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:37,760
them deep and you will find somebody who, of course

970
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,559
will say, yes, this entire capitalist system is rotten. Marx

971
00:50:40,639 --> 00:50:42,199
is right in it's time that we, you know'd be

972
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:44,440
great if we could do something about it. Well, here's

973
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:46,760
an example of them being able to do something about it.

974
00:50:47,639 --> 00:50:51,559
Speaker 1: We quite rightly complain a lot. We complain about regulation,

975
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,320
and we complain about the New Deal and the Commerce

976
00:50:54,360 --> 00:51:00,119
Clause and delegation and taxes and pretty much everything that

977
00:51:00,119 --> 00:51:06,760
happens in California. But you know, we really are still exceptional,

978
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:12,039
and those other countries that are like us are dwindling

979
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:16,880
in number. I have some friends who invest in things

980
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,360
such as their job. They go around looking for things

981
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:24,360
to invest in, and they just tell horror stories about

982
00:51:24,559 --> 00:51:33,599
India and Greece and Croatia that even if you're in

983
00:51:33,639 --> 00:51:39,440
a nice area that is nominally stable and is growing economically,

984
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:45,159
it's quite difficult to do deals because the rules are

985
00:51:45,199 --> 00:51:47,559
liable to change on the fly. Now, in Greece, that's

986
00:51:47,599 --> 00:51:51,559
often the result of corruption. In India, it's the result

987
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:56,320
of a lack of a well established canon of law

988
00:51:56,400 --> 00:52:00,400
that can be applied to markets in a way that

989
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:03,159
you would get in London or Holland or New York.

990
00:52:04,639 --> 00:52:10,400
And in Croatia it's a combination of things, partly political corruption,

991
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:21,079
partly dysfunction and lack of practice. Frankly, but the complaints

992
00:52:21,119 --> 00:52:24,199
are fascinating to listen to, because what you'd get is

993
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:26,719
people who will spend all day telling you that America's

994
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:28,440
in trouble and that they're so worried about this, and

995
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:31,880
the Democrats that and I agree. They will say, well,

996
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:34,880
of course, I'm going to do all my investing that

997
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:40,840
I can here. We still have the gold standard, we

998
00:52:41,039 --> 00:52:45,760
still have expectations that are fulfilled. And you know, let

999
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:47,960
me just digress for a second. One of the most

1000
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:51,519
moving things I ever heard in my entire life. Actually

1001
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,960
was at a debate I took part in at the

1002
00:52:55,039 --> 00:52:59,039
National Constitution Center around the time of the sixteen nineteen project.

1003
00:52:59,039 --> 00:53:01,400
And it was me, and it was someone who really

1004
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:03,559
liked the sixteen nineteen project, and there was a lefty

1005
00:53:03,559 --> 00:53:07,440
professor who was in the middle, and I was outnumbered

1006
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:10,159
for a lot of this debate. But halfway through this

1007
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:13,880
lefty professor I won't name, he said to the sixteen

1008
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:19,119
nineteen project type figure, you know, after the Civil War,

1009
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:23,159
the first thing that many freed slaves did in the

1010
00:53:23,199 --> 00:53:28,280
Southern States was open savings accounts. And he said, think

1011
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:31,559
about that. You've been saying, he said, to the sixty

1012
00:53:31,639 --> 00:53:35,199
nineteen project type, you've been saying that the whole thing

1013
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:38,679
was a fiction, that all those American ideas was a fiction,

1014
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:41,679
he said. But the freed slaves didn't think so. The

1015
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:44,800
only way you ever would consent to opening a savings

1016
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,920
account is if you believe that the institution you're saving

1017
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:50,719
in is stable, that it will be there next week,

1018
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:56,159
next month, next year, that the government, which has until

1019
00:53:56,239 --> 00:54:00,000
that point been fine with you being a slave, is

1020
00:54:00,199 --> 00:54:04,840
going to honor the money that you've put in the bank.

1021
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:07,519
He said, just think about that. That's an incredible thing.

1022
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:10,840
And I think about this a lot, because if that

1023
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:12,480
was true for free slaves, you've had to put it

1024
00:54:12,559 --> 00:54:15,320
rough for another hundred years. It's certainly true for me.

1025
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:21,920
But we take it for granted. So I've actually forgot

1026
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:25,000
where I started this, but I think we still have

1027
00:54:25,119 --> 00:54:27,679
it pretty good, and it's important to hold on to

1028
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:35,440
that because we're still the most stable, most welcoming place

1029
00:54:35,559 --> 00:54:38,639
for investment and land. Yeah, that's where I was. And

1030
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,199
if you are one of these people who think what

1031
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:43,639
we should do is just rush in and Willie Nary

1032
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:48,119
start settling hundred year old scores and handing people's houses

1033
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:50,119
over to the downtrod, and then you're a fool.

1034
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,599
Speaker 2: If you believe those retro ideas like Charles does, if

1035
00:54:53,599 --> 00:54:56,639
you believe those ancient, archaic, creaky notions of what makes

1036
00:54:56,679 --> 00:54:59,639
this country great, you might want to go to the

1037
00:54:59,679 --> 00:55:02,360
ocean and you can join at Ricochet members at sea.

1038
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:04,880
December thirteenth, the twentieth Holland American Line is going to

1039
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:06,559
be cruising through the Eastern Caribbean. And I've done this

1040
00:55:06,599 --> 00:55:09,480
a dozen times and it's great. It's great fun, great ships,

1041
00:55:09,519 --> 00:55:13,079
great people, and you say I don't like cruise ships. Okay, fine,

1042
00:55:13,119 --> 00:55:15,480
then take a look at your calendar for next February

1043
00:55:15,519 --> 00:55:17,000
sixth to the eighth, because they're going to be meeting

1044
00:55:17,079 --> 00:55:21,000
up Ricochet style at the Florida Space Coast Cape Canaveral,

1045
00:55:21,519 --> 00:55:25,840
celebrating decades of shoving huge piece of carbon spewing machinery

1046
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,679
into the sky where it penetrates it in a very

1047
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:31,960
fellocratic way and then disseminates a whole bunch of little satellites,

1048
00:55:32,119 --> 00:55:34,320
or even worse, goes to other planets and dump stuff

1049
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:36,920
on them. I tell you, the imperialism, the colonialism, and

1050
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:39,559
the extractive practices never end with us. That's because we

1051
00:55:39,679 --> 00:55:42,920
like them, Steven, it's been great fun, Charles this. Likewise,

1052
00:55:43,199 --> 00:55:46,199
we advise everybody to go to ricochet dot com and send,

1053
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:47,079
you know, sign up.

1054
00:55:47,199 --> 00:55:47,760
Speaker 1: It's cheap.

1055
00:55:48,519 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can go to the front page and read

1056
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:51,719
stuff and here's some podcasts, but the member feed is

1057
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:54,280
where the communities develop and where the stuff happens behind

1058
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:56,679
the sea. Just trust me, once you go there, you'll

1059
00:55:56,719 --> 00:56:01,039
make it a step stop for four five Timesay. We think,

1060
00:56:01,119 --> 00:56:03,199
of course Cozy Earth for sponsoring this. If you go

1061
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:04,880
in there now, I said, you can stack our coupon

1062
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:06,599
code on top of theirs and get up to forty

1063
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:11,880
percent off sheets with a ten year guaranteed. I need

1064
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:13,559
say no more. And of course, if you go to

1065
00:56:13,599 --> 00:56:17,760
Apple Podcasts to give us a review, we'd like those

1066
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,519
five stars. I say this. I think this is the

1067
00:56:20,559 --> 00:56:22,800
seven hundred and thirty seventh time, because I took a

1068
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:24,920
while to get into the podcast, and I'll be happy

1069
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,480
to say it for the eight hundredth time whenever that

1070
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:31,320
may be. Charles, I guess I'm going to have to

1071
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:34,679
quiz you again. When people go to Ricochet, what version

1072
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:36,360
are they seeing today?

1073
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,519
Speaker 1: I think it's still four point fourteen point fourteen points here.

1074
00:56:39,559 --> 00:56:41,400
There is an update coming soon at which point that

1075
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:44,320
number will change. So if you're obsessively refreshing the page

1076
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:46,639
to look at it, then you'll have a fun week.

1077
00:56:47,199 --> 00:56:51,559
Speaker 2: Always working behind the scenes, Stephen Charles, thank everybody for listening.

1078
00:56:51,639 --> 00:56:54,400
We'll see you at the Commons section at Ricochet. Four

1079
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:56,360
point ye yeah, yea yeah, you know all that stuff.

1080
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By bye.