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Speaker 1: David the Lines a symbol volume two hundred and ninety
Speaker 1: one and we've got to count them. Two episodes of
Speaker 1: Daredevil Born Again season two. So usually you get the
Speaker 1: you get the double hitter at the beginning. Well, they
Speaker 1: threw it up a little bit and uh changed it
Speaker 1: up and do episodes two and three, which you know,
Speaker 1: upon watching it it made sense.
Speaker 2: So yeah, in retrospect it it it flows nicely, but
Speaker 2: at the time, yeah, it was like, oh why are
Speaker 2: they doing this?
Speaker 1: Yeah so uh yeah, uh so, David, how have you
Speaker 1: been this week?
Speaker 2: I have been on spring break and I have not
Speaker 2: been breaking. I have been doing stuff all day every day,
Speaker 2: so I haven't really got to enjoy it other than
Speaker 2: some walks to enjoy a couple of days of sunshine.
Speaker 1: How about yourself, Yeah, it's been a full moon week
Speaker 1: in the land. Of education. So I'm just gonna leave
Speaker 1: it at that, very tired. If I don't sound as
Speaker 1: chipper as they usually do, it's because burning the candle
Speaker 1: on both ends. But at the beginning of the week
Speaker 1: my kids have usually they have one event, one between
Speaker 1: each of them. One has my son has as you met,
Speaker 1: my daughter has dance on Monday's sun as taekwondo on Tuesdays.
Speaker 1: Well they have those still, but then because of the
Speaker 1: Easter weekend, they from the usually have soccer games, they
Speaker 1: moved all games to during the week. So then we
Speaker 1: had dance at soccer on one night, then we had
Speaker 1: taekwondo in soccer on one night, and then my AC
Speaker 1: gave out on me, so I've had to repair and
Speaker 1: replace that. Being on the phone with repair companies is
Speaker 1: not fund so top of work, top of everything else.
Speaker 1: So I'm very tired, very tired, and my my let's
Speaker 1: just call it the I'm don't my patience is this
Speaker 1: thin right now. It's like it's it's right on the edge.
Speaker 1: And the benefit right now of having a four day
Speaker 1: weekend is just like, hey, I have a little bit
Speaker 1: of a break to recover, and I'm gonna need it.
Speaker 1: Got some work to do. I'll probably hopefully knock out
Speaker 1: a good chunk of it to night on my weekends,
Speaker 1: not spending working. But I'm here because I'm here for you, you,
Speaker 1: the people, and Daredevil.
Speaker 2: That's what we do it for.
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Speaker 1: All right, So, like we said, we got two episodes
Speaker 1: of break Down tonight, so we'll spend the first half
Speaker 1: going down with episode two, in the next half with
Speaker 1: episode three. So episode two is entitled Shoot to the Moon.
Speaker 1: So what did you think about what do you well,
Speaker 1: let's just not we're not gonna talk about, but like
Speaker 1: one episode of time, what did you think about both episodes?
Speaker 2: High level thoughts is Episode two again, was it was
Speaker 2: a slower paced episode, a lot more building up, and
Speaker 2: like the trade rumors have been, and some other people
Speaker 2: said Bade Davis and some others that by the end
Speaker 2: of episode three they kick the door down and just
Speaker 2: go for it. They are absolutely right there. It feels
Speaker 2: like a rollercoaster. How you have that that slow build up,
Speaker 2: then you take that turn and then it's just one
Speaker 2: hundred miles prior from there. And that's kind of what
Speaker 2: this felt like. Was we were at the end of
Speaker 2: the Rising Ascension and we were making that corner and
Speaker 2: then they just kicked it up. The chemistry between Matt
Speaker 2: and Karen feels a lot stronger and just a lot
Speaker 2: more natural than I felt like it had been even
Speaker 2: in the Netflix series. So I'm liking what's going on there,
Speaker 2: and just so many parallels to not only our own society,
Speaker 2: but just things in general with this world to think about.
Speaker 2: I think that they were just two really good episodes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems to be we're at a point where,
Speaker 1: you know, fisk is, he's at as a height and
Speaker 1: I can kind of see this might be Karen and
Speaker 1: Foggy reed. I don't Karen. Karen and Matt seemed to
Speaker 1: be realizing that they can make big what they think
Speaker 1: is gonna be a big dent, and then this makes
Speaker 1: a turn on them that they weren't expecting, or you know,
Speaker 1: they feel like the public's gonna be on their side.
Speaker 1: The public's not as much in their side as they
Speaker 1: thought they were gonna be. And I sense, if not
Speaker 1: by episode four, definitely by episode five, we're gonna see
Speaker 1: kind of the tables start turning in Matt and Karen's favor.
Speaker 1: Maybe they have to change their tactics, maybe they get
Speaker 1: some new allies with them that they weren't expecting. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm probably I would probably gather to say that by
Speaker 1: episode four or five, we should see hopefully the return
Speaker 1: of Jessica Jones. You know, I think this is where
Speaker 1: we're gonna start seeing those kind of moving towards tipping
Speaker 1: the scales towards Matt and Karen. But right now I
Speaker 1: think they're out their lowest point.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, like I said, it's it's at a point
Speaker 2: now where it feels like they are about to just
Speaker 2: go full steam ahead. And I'm I'm so happy where
Speaker 2: this block of shows ended and where we're going next.
Speaker 1: Yep. All right, So we're gonna get into a spoiler
Speaker 1: territory now. So if you have not seen either episode,
Speaker 1: bow out to watch the episodes, come on back. But
Speaker 1: if you don't care if be spoiled, here we go
Speaker 1: in three to one. So the episode open shortly after
Speaker 1: the violent confrontation from episode one. Darville stands on the
Speaker 1: rooftop watching paramedics remove the bodies from the anti Vigilanti
Speaker 1: task force that were killed during the attack, still holding
Speaker 1: a knife that bowls I threw into the room with
Speaker 1: one end card with the words you're welcome, and Matt Tresdenerson.
Speaker 1: Why Benjamin Poindexter intervened, You know, he does see Cherry
Speaker 1: get taken out. I don't think we know if Cherry
Speaker 1: lived or died. I think we're under the impression that
Speaker 1: he is still like hanging on for deal life, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was alive when they were loading him into
Speaker 2: the ambulance. Now, how his status once he makes it
Speaker 2: to Metro General, that's a whole different story. But he
Speaker 2: was at least, you know, the paramedics had him at
Speaker 2: a point where he was at least stable enough for transport.
Speaker 1: Yep, bulls, I had a clear shot at him. But
Speaker 1: Joe's deliminated the Task Force agents because again he knows
Speaker 1: they're tied to Fisk. And he's basically saying the enemy
Speaker 1: of the enemy as an enemy of my enemy as
Speaker 1: my friend right now. So that's where he's I think
Speaker 1: he's at. And we'll later see point Xter appeer inside
Speaker 1: of church asking for Sister Maggie, only to learn that
Speaker 1: she is currently in Rome. He's claiming he needs absolution
Speaker 1: for the betrayals he committed. He speaks with the church
Speaker 1: worker explains he cannot formally hear confessions, yet Bourdexter seems unconcerned,
Speaker 1: revealing a quiet menace that suggest he may have darker intentions.
Speaker 1: So he's looking for very specific sister Maggie. We know
Speaker 1: who sister Maggie is. Matt knows whose sister Maggie is. David,
Speaker 1: who is sister Maggie.
Speaker 2: Sister Maggie if you have not watched the Netflix version
Speaker 2: of this, was a nun within the church that he
Speaker 2: visited and frequented. A little bit deeper than that, Sister
Speaker 2: Maggie is Matt's mom who walked away from the family
Speaker 2: to join the nunnery. So she helped him out in
Speaker 2: previous seasons, helped him free yep, yep, helped him recover
Speaker 2: after the fall of the Plaza that happened in Defenders,
Speaker 2: helped him out in season three, and so yeah, that
Speaker 2: is his mom. So so far she has not made
Speaker 2: a return for Daredevil Born Again. She is off on
Speaker 2: sabbatical yep.
Speaker 1: So I did not first see her coming, but it
Speaker 1: was a nice tip of the hat there. And more like,
Speaker 1: what is Poindexter's game? Does he really demand absolution or
Speaker 1: is he just trying to find a way to screw
Speaker 1: with Matt? So we don't know yet. Elsewhere, we get
Speaker 1: learning that the disaster involved in the Task Force Agents
Speaker 1: in Hell's Kitchen. Four officers are now confirmed dead, and
Speaker 1: Daredevil escaped the confrontation. However, the detail that catches Fists
Speaker 1: attention is the presence of someone with exceptional aim. He
Speaker 1: mutilarizes who it must be none of than pointexter. The
Speaker 1: news triggers are very violent outbursts from Fisk as he's
Speaker 1: training for his upcoming fight and his barring partner is
Speaker 1: trying to get him to pay attention. Says he can't
Speaker 1: have this break for Tom. We gotta get you ready. Well,
Speaker 1: he just just cold punches him and just like whoops
Speaker 1: him right into the mirror. Don't know if he lives,
Speaker 1: don't know if he's dead. He's in a lot of pain.
Speaker 2: If he's still alive, though, Yeah, he legitimately knocked this
Speaker 2: man across the room with one punch through the mirror.
Speaker 2: I'm like that that was a devastating blow. But I mean,
Speaker 2: the guy had to know this was the wrong time
Speaker 2: to start poking the bear with Fisk and tell him, hey,
Speaker 2: got to get back on track. Just my man's aggravated,
Speaker 2: Leave him alone for a second, let him catch his breath.
Speaker 2: But nope, you chose the wrong time and he caught
Speaker 2: that violence.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so this starts getting ready to do a press
Speaker 1: like basically not necessary a press conference, but a video
Speaker 1: about what's going on, and you've got his his little
Speaker 1: lackey's trying to encourage him to basically reveal Matts Matt's identity,
Speaker 1: that Matt is Daredevil, and he's he ends up when
Speaker 1: he's making the announcement, he's you think that one second,
Speaker 1: Matt Murdock is a hero. He refused to reveal the identity.
Speaker 1: He believes exposing who Matt really is would weaken the
Speaker 1: political narrative in his building into the public. Daredevil must
Speaker 1: remain dangerous, vigilanting, not a blind lawyer who once saved
Speaker 1: the mayor's life, in which he points that out in
Speaker 1: that in that kind of not you know the video
Speaker 1: to the you know, the public of what's going on,
Speaker 1: he says, he needs you to find mister Murdoch. He
Speaker 1: may be in trouble. You know, you saved my life.
Speaker 1: We haven't seen him since, you know, the Daredevil could
Speaker 1: have taken him. He's got this bullseye character. He is
Speaker 1: putting a basically all points bulletin ever looking for Matt
Speaker 1: Murdoch and trying to kind of flush Matt out so
Speaker 1: that way, if everyone's looking for him, he'll he'll be
Speaker 1: able to find him in turn, and no one will
Speaker 1: be the wiser of why he's really doing this. Now
Speaker 1: we didn't get an interesting thing dry outside of this.
Speaker 1: Uh this video being filmed is Cole North returns wanted
Speaker 1: to be back on the task Force.
Speaker 2: Yeah, face all messed up from previous encounters and everything,
Speaker 2: but he wants back in. He believes in the mission
Speaker 2: and wants to continue. So uh this this man had
Speaker 2: for those watches of season one. He's gonna piss a
Speaker 2: lot of people off having him back, especially after what
Speaker 2: happened to the White Tiger in season one.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Fist Consultants can further. While he's consulating his power,
Speaker 1: Matt and camer regroup at their hideout, carries in the hospital,
Speaker 1: still trying to recover and trying to stay alive. At
Speaker 1: that point, they realize this is crackdown is escalating, So
Speaker 1: their next lead involves the first mate of the Northern
Speaker 1: Star cargo ship. They can locate her, she might be
Speaker 1: able to prove that fisk As was smuggling weapons through
Speaker 1: the port. So again, they're all trying to trace these
Speaker 1: weapons back to Fist. That's the key. That's the key
Speaker 1: they gotta find. So Matt and Karen begin survailing shipping docks.
Speaker 1: At first, the cargo appears to be harmless, containing things
Speaker 1: like diapers instead of weapons. But Matt knows this operation
Speaker 1: is much more complicated than the seams. If the weapons
Speaker 1: are moved into Red Hook, they could disappear completely or
Speaker 1: be thrown out throughout the whole streets. Really, the opportunity
Speaker 1: may be slipping away. Mack concludes that he must have
Speaker 1: to infiltrate the port himself, even if it means walking
Speaker 1: straight into fits territory. That is I mean, again, I'm
Speaker 1: not doubting Matt's billy, but that's a one man army,
Speaker 1: you know that it's almost like that that seems like
Speaker 1: suicide mission to me.
Speaker 2: That's bold move, bold move.
Speaker 1: So in that you know, you know, we already talked
Speaker 1: about like the recorded message, like it's just it's just so,
Speaker 1: you know, we get down and fist. But he really
Speaker 1: is calculating going to that whole idea of trying to
Speaker 1: get the public to still be on against Daredevil, but
Speaker 1: also trying to find Matt and continue painting the hero.
Speaker 1: Even that knowledge. I mean, that's in some part, don't
Speaker 1: you think that's got to eat away at Fisk, that
Speaker 1: he can't just be out with it. You know, some
Speaker 1: part of me just it's hard for me to believe
Speaker 1: that he actually still enjoys like just holding on to that.
Speaker 1: It's almost like if he releases it, it's the one
Speaker 1: chip he can't He wants to play, but he almost
Speaker 1: he basically he can't play it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you could tell when he was talking to
Speaker 2: Buck Cashman that like he wants to it's a good idea,
Speaker 2: but like it's gonna backfire. This isn't like a Joker
Speaker 2: in Batman scenario where it's just I have the information
Speaker 2: and it's fun to like it's fun for me. For him,
Speaker 2: it's like I have the information, I want to use
Speaker 2: it in my favor, but right now it serves me
Speaker 2: no purpose, Like it would be detrimental to the image
Speaker 2: that I'm trying to portray what I'm trying to do
Speaker 2: with the Task Force and everything else to release this information.
Speaker 2: So I have to hold on to it as much
Speaker 2: as I just want to out you and ruin your
Speaker 2: life one more time. Uh, it's you know you, Like
Speaker 2: I said, you separate it. You make it so that
Speaker 2: it's again he's a puppetearity. He thinks he's controlling everything.
Speaker 2: He wants to control all the aspects to contain him
Speaker 2: and make sure that wherever he's trying to hide, just
Speaker 2: keep on squeezing. So meanwhile, inside City Hall, attentions grows
Speaker 2: as are lovely Deputy Mayor Daniel Blake investigating The Mirror's
Speaker 2: mysterious online account mocking fists, you know, like fake fisk
Speaker 2: and you know who was leaking like these insider images,
Speaker 2: the videos that he has from the ship of Daredevil.
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's driving him nuts. It's almost like
Speaker 1: someone's like taking information or broadcasting straight from his own laptop.
Speaker 1: You know, what do you think of that?
Speaker 2: I you could tell he's a little bit worried. And
Speaker 2: I don't remember if this at this moment or later
Speaker 2: when Sheila asked him, like you didn't have any of
Speaker 2: this information on your personal laptop, did you? And he's
Speaker 2: like trying to curt like no, I would never. But
Speaker 2: he's sitting there sweating bullets like, oh shit, someone probably
Speaker 2: used me to get this information on man. I am
Speaker 2: the weaklink here.
Speaker 1: Goodbye. So the Anti Vigilated Task Force grows increasingly more aggressive,
Speaker 1: trying to find dared Will, trying to find Matt, and
Speaker 1: in one incident, officers violently intervene and it just be
Speaker 1: at a convenience store. You know, you get Angela del
Speaker 1: Toro's on who's there, and she's there, and they kind
Speaker 1: of walk into where a couple of basically we're just
Speaker 1: call them hooligans, are trying to steal I'm guessing it's alcohol.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were just trying to steal a battle of liquor.
Speaker 2: They thought it'd being harmless fun. The aunt is like, hey,
Speaker 2: put that back. If you do that, then you know
Speaker 2: they're gonna have to start raising grocery prices. It affects
Speaker 2: off us just really just trying to have like a calm,
Speaker 2: adult conversation with these kids. We're like, back off this,
Speaker 2: none of your business. The shop owner pulls out a gun,
Speaker 2: so everything escalates real quickly, and again the aunt's trying
Speaker 2: to diffuse the situation. But then that's when the task
Speaker 2: force takes over and they're like, yeah, we're about to
Speaker 2: have some fun because we abide by no rules.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And when she's just she's trying to tell them
Speaker 1: to stop one of the the Individulia Task Force from
Speaker 1: shooting or making it worse, she puts her hand on
Speaker 1: these that's assault and then arrests her and it's just
Speaker 1: like what you know, and again it's very scary sometimes
Speaker 1: how real These incidents do happen from time to time too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you get a lot of outrage from bystanders, highlighting
Speaker 1: the unchecked power of the Task Force. Elsewhere, Angela seeks
Speaker 1: help from Christa McDuffie, fearing her aunt may disappear in
Speaker 1: the system like many others have been targeted by Fist Force.
Speaker 1: You know, the moment reinforces how deeply fist policies are
Speaker 1: affecting ordinary citizens throughout the city who don't even wear
Speaker 1: a mask, who barely are are just trying to get by,
Speaker 1: and now their powers getting even worse. Late in the episode,
Speaker 1: Matt and Karen spend a very quiet moment at Josie's
Speaker 1: what's left of it, the bar that once served as
Speaker 1: a gas y'ing place for them. But later in the night,
Speaker 1: while resting, Matt suddenly hears something alarming through the heightened sentence,
Speaker 1: like this sound wave like they're almost like purposely using
Speaker 1: ultra ultrasonic waves to you know, look like they're broadcasting
Speaker 1: to get people, you know, in curfew and things like that,
Speaker 1: but they're really using it to flesh out Daredevil.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so.
Speaker 1: You know, realizing she's in danger, they're they're coming into
Speaker 1: the Josie's homes and realizing when they're also in jeopardy.
Speaker 1: Matt quickly suits up, rushes into it as Daredevil and
Speaker 1: we begin a very cool fight sequence. Uh that was
Speaker 1: involves at one point Matt grabbing a gun. Then he
Speaker 1: kind of gives a big smirk that we saw in
Speaker 1: the in the trailer and shoots up to kind of
Speaker 1: do an distraction.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this was a cool fight scene from the start
Speaker 2: of it and everything. Once he downs to costume, he
Speaker 2: drops down and attacks him on the then runs in
Speaker 2: the bar and he's using his staff with the cord
Speaker 2: on it to just whip around there, beating them all up.
Speaker 2: Then at one point, yeah, they do get a couple
Speaker 2: of hits on him, and that's when he picks up
Speaker 2: the gun and turns it towards him and they freeze
Speaker 2: and he just smiles and then begins beating him up
Speaker 2: with the gun and continuing his hand to hand assault.
Speaker 2: Just proven that Matt Murdoch got those hands when it
Speaker 2: comes to fighters in the MCU, Matt is great at
Speaker 2: the close quarters.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a great, very cool action sequence at
Speaker 1: the end. You know, basically they've now lost their home
Speaker 1: and the bar, and you know, he's able to save
Speaker 1: Josie and tells her to you know, get out of here,
Speaker 1: and he storms off continues trying to fight and keep
Speaker 1: them away. You know, outside, Karen encounter is one of
Speaker 1: the agents and managed to overpower him herself thanks all
Speaker 1: that training that Matt and Frank has given her over
Speaker 1: the years. And when Matt finds her afterwards, she reveals
Speaker 1: that she was doing what she was doing while he
Speaker 1: was fighting outside she captured that guy in The episode
Speaker 1: ends with the agent tied to a chair hood covering
Speaker 1: his head with fist. Forces hunting hit them down across
Speaker 1: the city, and Karen suggests that maybe time to stop
Speaker 1: running and maybe it's time we started hurting them, and
Speaker 1: that's how the episode ends.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can tell Karen spent some time hanging out
Speaker 2: with Frank last season before his capture, because you know,
Speaker 2: Matt has his way of doing things and Karen is
Speaker 2: operating in a little bit of a gray area. She's
Speaker 2: not quite Frank levels of let's just take him out,
Speaker 2: but she's a little bit more so. All right, if
Speaker 2: they play dirty, then we should as well.
Speaker 1: Mm hm. And again it's it's gonna be very interesting
Speaker 1: to see how Mat kind of reconciles that, like Karen
Speaker 1: ate the damsel in distress anymore, she hasn't been that
Speaker 1: for a long time. So you know, he either accepts
Speaker 1: her for what she is becoming and tries to send
Speaker 1: her and use what she has learned in a more
Speaker 1: in a more uh you know, a less anti hero way,
Speaker 1: and puts it towards better use. But so we'll see.
Speaker 1: But before we head into episode three, we're going to
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Speaker 1: be right back, and we are back. So we now
Speaker 1: into episode three, The Scales and the Sword. So you know,
Speaker 1: I saw this title before Qan honest said, all right,
Speaker 1: looks like we're going to trial mode. You know, we
Speaker 1: can't can't have a dared epishoe. Even though MAT's on
Speaker 1: the run, he can't can't have this show without some
Speaker 1: sort of trial.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, this is one of our lawyer moments. Got
Speaker 2: to have a lawyer moment.
Speaker 1: So the episode opens with Matt and Karen holding one
Speaker 1: of the captured member from the previous episode, and Karen
Speaker 1: insists that she had no choice but to act after
Speaker 1: Fifth Forces started hunting them down when they removed the hood.
Speaker 1: The agent's head introduced himself as Alan Saunders and claims
Speaker 1: he actually wants to help them. Ac Cordne to Sanders,
Speaker 1: many members of the Task Fors are violent extremists who
Speaker 1: follow orders, who others to follow their orders. He says,
Speaker 1: fisz crusade against vigilante is it is wrong, and he
Speaker 1: reveals information about location connected to the Mayor's operation Red Hook.
Speaker 1: So again I'm just calling it out that perfect. This sounds,
Speaker 1: you know, very much nail on the head of things
Speaker 1: that are going on in the real world very much.
Speaker 2: So it's it's Hey, I initially believed in what was
Speaker 2: being sold to me, and I was. I was down
Speaker 2: for that. Yes, you know, vigilanteism is out of control. Yes,
Speaker 2: we have superheroes running everywhere. You know, the people need protection.
Speaker 2: That's what I was sold on. That is apparently not
Speaker 2: what I joined, and now I don't want to be
Speaker 2: associated with these violent extremists who were ripping women and
Speaker 2: innocent children out of their homes in the name of
Speaker 2: protecting them.
Speaker 1: Yeah so just uh, you know again, they know what
Speaker 1: they're doing at this point. They're not trying to hide
Speaker 1: it either. Yeah so, but Matt doesn't believe them, you know,
Speaker 1: his heightened senses tell him Saunders is, but he is
Speaker 1: telling it's the truth. You know. He thinks that I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know if I can really buy
Speaker 1: this whole thing.
Speaker 2: So the funniest scene, the absolute funniest scene, where he's like,
Speaker 2: I know you're lying. I know you're lying, turns the carring.
Speaker 1: Like he's he's just in his space.
Speaker 2: I know you're lying. You're lying to me. I will
Speaker 2: beat the out of you because you're lying. Then he
Speaker 2: just turns the carrot.
Speaker 1: He drops another. He drops an F bomber too. We'll
Speaker 1: keep it a little we'll keep it cable rules for
Speaker 1: tonight's episode. But yeah, they went fast and loose. Was
Speaker 1: dropping the F bombs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Matt dropped a lot of F bombs. I am
Speaker 2: still getting used to Matt dropping F bombs. Like again,
Speaker 2: I get it's more adult and so dark.
Speaker 1: It's like he's coming from the DC universe.
Speaker 2: I'm just like, oh, okay, Matt, Matt's that. It just
Speaker 2: it doesn't feel Matt. But hey, I'm rocking with it.
Speaker 1: That name why.
Speaker 2: But yeah, he got on his his gruff interrogation voice
Speaker 2: and he's yelling at him.
Speaker 1: But he put on his angry eyes in his growling
Speaker 1: batman voice so to maintaining the agents cover. Matt knocks
Speaker 1: him unconscious before sending him back to a squad with
Speaker 1: a story that Daredevil kicked his butt.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he goes, I'm gonna hit you. It's gonna be
Speaker 2: hard and it's gonna.
Speaker 1: Hurt Meanwhile, Kirsten McDuffie in that better half when it
Speaker 1: comes to his law partner. You know, if I were Kirsten,
Speaker 1: I would be somewhat really pit pete off at that
Speaker 1: point about what's going on with her partner, because you
Speaker 1: don't know where he is. She prepares to defend Jack Duqua.
Speaker 1: I always friend Duques Doukane. There we go d Kane,
Speaker 1: Jack Dukane, aka the swordsman who has been arrested under
Speaker 1: fifth new anti vigilante law. You know, he's putting in
Speaker 1: the animal cages there, Ducaine claims, when you know, it
Speaker 1: was interesting though when Kirsten finally gets here, like she's blindfolded,
Speaker 1: she's giving antisensury because they do not want her to
Speaker 1: have any idea of what's going on and where she's going.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I like the way that Swordsman was talking
Speaker 2: during their pre trial talk and he suddenly goes, look,
Speaker 2: this is a retaliation. He knows that if I go
Speaker 2: to jail then he can seize all my assets. This
Speaker 2: is just like the old French you know, speedy trials
Speaker 2: where you end up getting your head chopped off because
Speaker 2: somebody sitting on a thing decided it. And you know what,
Speaker 2: I already know that I am going to lose this tribunal,
Speaker 2: but it is what it.
Speaker 1: Is, yep. And he it's just very you know, if
Speaker 1: we've I've probably seen more. I've seen more of the
Speaker 1: Swordsman character than I've ever read in the comics. So
Speaker 1: but I like you, I like I like Jack Dukaine
Speaker 1: in this. You know, the actor who plays him does
Speaker 1: a very good job. He's very charismatic, even when he
Speaker 1: knows the cards are stacked against him. But yeah, very
Speaker 1: very charming. So During the hearing, the prosecution relies heavily
Speaker 1: on the psychological evaluation written by none other than everyone's
Speaker 1: favorite ex girlfriend, or at least favorite ex girlfriend, Heather Glenn,
Speaker 1: using it to paint Ducaine as a volatile vigilante compare
Speaker 1: comparable to the violent criminals like Muse. Oh there's that,
Speaker 1: There's that Muse character and Heather Muse, and Heather keeps
Speaker 1: she keeps on seeing and keeps on.
Speaker 2: Of course, she would create that parallel that he is
Speaker 2: like Muse because that is the figure that is legitimately
Speaker 2: haunting her to this day what happened between her and Muse.
Speaker 2: So every everyone that she's going to want to put
Speaker 2: behind bars or aside with the prosecution on, they are
Speaker 2: going to get that comparison to Muse.
Speaker 1: And she Kirsten objects, arguing that the claims are speculative
Speaker 1: and unsupported by real proof. So despite the efforts to
Speaker 1: her challenge the accusations and the complete lack of evidence
Speaker 1: trying tying Duquane to the vigilante known as the Swordsman,
Speaker 1: the court moves quickly towards conclusion. In the end, Duquane
Speaker 1: is found guilty on all the charges, making it clear
Speaker 1: that this Safer Streets initiative has effectively turned the justice
Speaker 1: system into a tool for his punishing political enemy, for
Speaker 1: punishing political enemies. So it you know, I said, cat
Speaker 1: cards stacked against her. Is nothing he could say that
Speaker 1: could get her convince it. Fist wants this. He's watching it, cheering.
Speaker 1: Matt and Karen are watching this. They're distraught, you know,
Speaker 1: about what what is to do, and so they continue
Speaker 1: investigating into mysterious document about Red Hook reaches Governor McCaffrey,
Speaker 1: who's on her way to confront Fists. Now, who could
Speaker 1: have sent her the information about the extra territorial nature
Speaker 1: of Red Hook?
Speaker 2: Yeah, she she had a full copy of the charter
Speaker 2: just waiting for her. So you know, we we know
Speaker 2: that Karen had that before. And the talks between Karen
Speaker 2: and bbe about, you know, finding other ways to expose
Speaker 2: Fists and bring him down by multiple directions, you know.
Speaker 2: So next thing, you know, the governor who has all
Speaker 2: the power is in possession of this document.
Speaker 1: And my other co hosts and braving the boys Jakes
Speaker 1: in the chat. This God is watching on me to
Speaker 1: see our beautiful faces not get spoiled. We'll get it together,
Speaker 1: get it together. Put the book down for a little bit.
Speaker 1: Watch these episodes. Catch up, all right, catch up, no excuses.
Speaker 1: I expect we're gonna have conversations. Is just thinking about it.
Speaker 1: So we get Matt and Karen investigating and they, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: no anyway, sorry, back up. So governor goes in and
Speaker 1: it's quite a juxtaposition, you know, with FIST, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of behind the behind his desk and we and
Speaker 1: he's the governor is trying to say, you know, can't
Speaker 1: be doing this, can't be acting like this, I can't
Speaker 1: be back in these plays. You're going too far. And
Speaker 1: the governor is just saying, no, this is this is
Speaker 1: you know, question is the whole ports special legal status?
Speaker 1: And and saying that there's very little oversight to this.
Speaker 1: It's going to be you know, I don't know how
Speaker 1: you're getting away with this, but it's you know, eventually
Speaker 1: the piggy bank's gonna run out. Now she's said she's
Speaker 1: largely tolerated FIST policy so far, Bara McCaffrey makes it
Speaker 1: clear that her support has limits. She warrants out if
Speaker 1: something is wrong, such as a suspicious cargo ship, she
Speaker 1: has the authority to revoke red Hook's protective status, and
Speaker 1: for Matt and Karen, exposing whatever Fist is hiding at
Speaker 1: Red Hook could be the key to forcing the governor
Speaker 1: to turn against him. But she recognizes this power and
Speaker 1: that she can warn, but she knows that just to
Speaker 1: go and really do it. That's it's not just playing
Speaker 1: with her political future, it's playing with her life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you could tell. She she is making it known
Speaker 2: like I have the power, but I'm gonna sit back
Speaker 2: over here. I'm gonna let you do you. I'm not
Speaker 2: trying to get on your bedside. Does she have the power,
Speaker 2: so she instead of a sword, she has a document.
Speaker 2: She can use it, but right now she's just gonna
Speaker 2: play coy. I mean she even mentions the fact when
Speaker 2: she gets to his office, like, look, you intimidated the
Speaker 2: men that I sent here last time to talk to
Speaker 2: you about it. My lieutenant governor and everyone else is like,
Speaker 2: you're not going to intimidate me, but I am gonna
Speaker 2: let that you continue to do your thing, just you know,
Speaker 2: know that if this comes on you, then I will
Speaker 2: have to act at that point.
Speaker 1: Oh, Jake excuses on vacation. Yeah, yeay, you were also
Speaker 1: working on vacation too, so stop the excuses and back
Speaker 1: Cato chat Hey, bat Cato caet see anybody. And it's
Speaker 1: it's just very very interesting that, you know, in this case,
Speaker 1: I still think sword beats paper in this case just
Speaker 1: being the sword. So we get after after the trial,
Speaker 1: Matt convinces Kirsten, who is rather interesting. So we get
Speaker 1: Kirsten in a bar and she's drinking away her sorrows
Speaker 1: because she lost. And then she gets violently kind of
Speaker 1: bumped into after someone pays for her drink and leaves
Speaker 1: this note saying your office now. And that's where we
Speaker 1: get Matt hanging back in the shadows with his you know,
Speaker 1: not in costume, but just hanging back, and in that
Speaker 1: Daredevil voice, she's calmly saying, I know what you're looking for.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did feel bad for christ in this moment
Speaker 2: because she's washing away her sorrows. And then it looks
Speaker 2: like she was on the cusp of having a little
Speaker 2: bit of fun to get rid of, you know, what
Speaker 2: was happening on her mind. And then yeah, she gets
Speaker 2: shoulder checked with a show up to my office. She
Speaker 2: shows up and there's Daredevil and she has this look
Speaker 2: of oh shit, not now, I'm not drunk enough yet, so.
Speaker 1: He convinces her to. Basically, she was like, well, I
Speaker 1: didn't see where I was going, and so we'll describe it.
Speaker 1: So she describes using her memory, the sounds, the layout experience,
Speaker 1: and Matt uses that information because you know protagonist and
Speaker 1: you know comic book logic, Matt is able to infiltrate
Speaker 1: the bass as Daredevil. Inside. He discovers does the prisoners
Speaker 1: being held in the animal cages, including people who are
Speaker 1: not even Vigilantes and Daredevil agents, uh you know, erupts
Speaker 1: in chaos. So one thing I wanted to go back to,
Speaker 1: I can't remember where it took place in this episode
Speaker 1: is with our deputy communications Blake.
Speaker 2: When he has the the thank you dinner with Bebe.
Speaker 1: And I'm talking about that as Paul's before we start
Speaker 1: getting into this kind of fight sequence we got back up.
Speaker 1: We forgot to talk about that. So yeah, he bites
Speaker 1: are over to his apartment and start talking about it
Speaker 1: and start talking about the you know, the fake fisk
Speaker 1: and I think I forget was the was it the
Speaker 1: episode two or this episode? We finally get your factor
Speaker 1: fiction proven.
Speaker 2: It's in this episode, and it happens right after their conversation.
Speaker 2: So they they have their conversation and he's not necessarily
Speaker 2: threatening her more than it is like light threats, but
Speaker 2: more of a warning like, hey, if it is you,
Speaker 2: we're both screwed. Like he's gonna come after you, but
Speaker 2: then he's gonna come after me because I introduced you.
Speaker 2: So we're all down. So whatever it is, knock it
Speaker 2: off and knock it off now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he says like, it's almost like these broadcasts are
Speaker 1: coming straight from my laptop and we all know what
Speaker 1: had happened. Remember when he came back the first episode
Speaker 1: as a like after the party, his apartment was all clean,
Speaker 1: and she's like, now you know she she cleaned it
Speaker 1: under the guys that she got the stuff off his laptop.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so we get another video mocking Fisk and
Speaker 2: things like that, and then at the end of the
Speaker 2: video we see the characters stand up to turn off
Speaker 2: the camera and then remove the mask and yep, it's
Speaker 2: it's Beeabe.
Speaker 1: Yep, I know you called it. So back to fact
Speaker 1: proven on that one.
Speaker 2: I did not think we were going to get that
Speaker 2: revelation this early, but yeah, it's it's Babe.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so going back to Matt infiltrating Red Hook
Speaker 1: and getting all the prisoners. So he sees them all
Speaker 1: and starts freeing them and they start having this huge
Speaker 1: and I like this fight. I love the bar fight,
Speaker 1: but I like this one better just because of the
Speaker 1: chaotic nature of what was going on and getting to
Speaker 1: see uh Ducaine kind of going he may not have swords,
Speaker 1: but kind of a little bit of rubar rebar going,
Speaker 1: we give you a bunch of sandwiches, hit and bar
Speaker 1: excuse me, rebar, you know, kicking some serious butt. And
Speaker 1: but Frank's not there. So I'm hoping with the special
Speaker 1: we get at the end of the season that we're
Speaker 1: gonna get, we're hopefully gonna get answers of how he escaped,
Speaker 1: because he definitely escaped, yeah he he.
Speaker 2: He wasn't, and we saw him in the cages at
Speaker 2: then the season when he's not in the cages. Now
Speaker 2: Matt goes in and he has this look around and
Speaker 2: he's hearing all these people. So he starts using the
Speaker 2: key card that he got earlier to free the people,
Speaker 2: and then he's listening in Okay, they're gonna send in
Speaker 2: some of the troopers, so he lets out the swordsman
Speaker 2: and then he hands the key card off I believe
Speaker 2: it to the aunt is who he really is at
Speaker 2: this point, and hands the key card off to her
Speaker 2: and like, help free the others, because now they're saying,
Speaker 2: you know what, Okay, we're doing more than just going
Speaker 2: in to stop Matt. Hey, let the bullets fly. Take
Speaker 2: out whoever you got to take out, So then it's
Speaker 2: not justified, it's protection. And yeah, Swordsman was throwing down
Speaker 2: on there and Matt was throwing down. He pulled a
Speaker 2: pipe to have some gas come down on the guys
Speaker 2: to just kind of distract him and tell everyone to
Speaker 2: get down so no one got shot, and doing everything
Speaker 2: they could to free the prisoners. But yeah, it was
Speaker 2: a massive fight. Then it spills out outside the building.
Speaker 2: They're trying to get them away and get a truck,
Speaker 2: and at this moment, this is where we see again
Speaker 2: Karen's been hanging out with Frank a little bit, because
Speaker 2: she drops to the ground and takes an open shot
Speaker 2: and takes out one of the one of the anti
Speaker 2: Vigilante task Force members. Again, she she's not shooting to Maime,
Speaker 2: she's not shooting to injure. No, she just straight up
Speaker 2: shot the man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, she she not taking prisoners. But as she's
Speaker 1: doing this, we see she's soon approached by Angela del Toro,
Speaker 1: who claims her aunt is being held inside, and Angela
Speaker 1: also brings uh intercepted Task Force radio communications to help
Speaker 1: Careen coordinate with that. But prior to that, when she
Speaker 1: was going back to the place, she also eyed where
Speaker 1: the white Tiger talisman is, which she is also now wearing. Yep.
Speaker 2: So we're gonna get a feature member of you know,
Speaker 2: the Protectors of Hell's Kitchen. This this new group that
Speaker 2: Daredevil is going to be a fish, you know, pulling
Speaker 2: together as the season goes along. This is a nice
Speaker 2: little foreshadowing of that with her having the amulet on.
Speaker 1: Yep. So, when the prisoners escaped the facility, Karen and
Speaker 1: Angela load them up to a truck while the Task
Speaker 1: Force agents open fire. Do Kane drive the truck? I
Speaker 1: like it? Say, can you drive this? It's like yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll figure it out to safety. While Daredevil and Karen
Speaker 1: escape separately, angel also sabotages the agent's vehicle by slashing
Speaker 1: their tires, preventing them from giving chase you know, with
Speaker 1: the knife with the White Tiger Powers. You know, you
Speaker 1: know he's gonna go any more from She's gonna go
Speaker 1: mighty more from Power Rangers, Tigers Ord out there.
Speaker 2: Well, Dino Force Ranger over here. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The victor is very short lived though, because after learning
Speaker 1: that Daredevil infiltrated the Task Force facility and freed the prisoners,
Speaker 1: Fists moves quickly to protect his operation. He orders the
Speaker 1: destruction of the North and Star. Remember he made sure
Speaker 1: that that crew was staying on there because again the
Speaker 1: weapons are on there. He cannot have them leave.
Speaker 2: So they wanted to go home to their families, and
Speaker 2: he said, no, we need you to stay for one
Speaker 2: more night, just until we get everything unloaded. And that
Speaker 2: was definitely for a reason. It was mentioned in episode
Speaker 2: one when he was talking to mister Charles, and mister
Speaker 2: Charles said, Hey, sometimes some people are going to have
Speaker 2: to be a little bit of a fodder for you.
Speaker 2: Sometimes some people are going to have to die in
Speaker 2: order to make this happen. And here we go.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. So moments later, the ship explodes, killing everyone
Speaker 1: on board and erasing any witnesses who could expose this.
Speaker 1: What was he doing? Does Matt and Karen drive away
Speaker 1: from the chaos, dared Will suddenly hears the distant blast
Speaker 1: through his heightened senses. The realization hits him immediately. Horrified,
Speaker 1: Matt tells Karen what just happened. Oh my god, they
Speaker 1: killed them, They killed them all. And that's what I'm saying, like,
Speaker 1: right here, this is and you said too, this is
Speaker 1: the turning point episode. I truly believe that just because
Speaker 1: this is where they are at their they they they
Speaker 1: are not winning. Every time they think they make bike
Speaker 1: fists is already one step ahead of them to make
Speaker 1: whatever victory they could claim is not as is not
Speaker 1: as powerful. So they've got to change their tactics. They've
Speaker 1: got to get more allies. And again, this is where
Speaker 1: I'm sensing it's gonna start. Each episode is going to
Speaker 1: be more now chipping away at Fisk little by little.
Speaker 1: I mean, then we're gonna get Jessica Jones coming back in,
Speaker 1: maybe another Defender coming back in. You know, they're they
Speaker 1: they they did go on offense this episode. But I
Speaker 1: think they're also going to have to change their tactics.
Speaker 1: It's not working. This is already thinking one or two
Speaker 1: steps ahead of them. Yeah, they got to be unpredictable.
Speaker 1: They are still being too predictable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's definitely playing chess right now, and they are
Speaker 2: feeding into everything. He has contingencies. If you do this,
Speaker 2: I'm going to do this. They need to just go
Speaker 2: completely off board with their tactics.
Speaker 1: Yes, yep, so all right, so we it brings us
Speaker 1: the end of this episode, so we back to single
Speaker 1: episodes and through the end of the season. So next
Speaker 1: week will be the halfway point, because I think there's
Speaker 1: only eight episodes this season, correct, yes, so, so we'll
Speaker 1: be halfway next week and we'll break that down. So
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Speaker 1: this week.
Speaker 3: Tell us about it, all right, According to Anthony Dorsey,
Speaker 3: including the latest episode of Born Again, rank the Daredevil
Speaker 3: one shot action sequences.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I can rank them. I mean
Speaker 1: I I I applaud the the idea of because I
Speaker 1: mean my memory is good. It's not that good in
Speaker 1: the sense of I I without a little bit of
Speaker 1: help to understand. Like the the one shots, I'm even
Speaker 1: not even the wonder shots. That's gonna be like the
Speaker 1: hallway fight sequences, you know, And let's be honest there
Speaker 1: we know the tricks they pull with the one shots
Speaker 1: that make them look like a one shot, but really
Speaker 1: isn't you know? It's quick cutaways and piecing things together.
Speaker 1: So one of them I'll put on the table is
Speaker 1: uh the the prison fight from season two, episode nine,
Speaker 1: seven minutes in Heaven with uh you know you get
Speaker 1: after after getting tricked into doing this dirty work. Frank
Speaker 1: Castle's in the cell block with all the prisoners doors
Speaker 1: open in a tiny shift as his weapon makes the
Speaker 1: fight really really cool? Is at so good? As Frank
Speaker 1: fights his way through the hall After nine episodes, we
Speaker 1: finally get to see the Punisher cut loose in all
Speaker 1: his epic glory. Sherry's killed dozens of people that season.
Speaker 1: But this is up close, unfettered rage, all out anger
Speaker 1: that he's been holding in. This is what your tv
Speaker 1: MA rating is at this point. This is what we
Speaker 1: would always joke about. Hi, I'm Frank. It's turning into
Speaker 1: the camera, says Hi, I'm Frank Castle. You're watching You're
Speaker 1: watching The Punisher on Disney Plus. So that's definitely on
Speaker 1: my list of the top what do you got for years?
Speaker 2: Okay, so I actually did go through and and rank them.
Speaker 2: I can tell you right now. My bottom one is
Speaker 2: the sequence from last season, him and Bullseye in the bar,
Speaker 2: going up the steps and everything else like that. It was,
Speaker 2: it was fun, It was a good callback of having
Speaker 2: the one shot, but it also relied a lot on
Speaker 2: CGI and everything else. Next, Lois would be season two's
Speaker 2: one shot. It was it was fine, it was it
Speaker 2: was it was good, but it was just there. That's
Speaker 2: when him and Frank against the bikers. Uh My next
Speaker 2: would be the one that we saw in this episode.
Speaker 2: Again it's just a visceral, just showing Matt just again
Speaker 2: throwing hands to the darker side of Matt. Next up
Speaker 2: after that is the first season Punishers one shot. Just
Speaker 2: him in the hallway. He's getting knocked through the door.
Speaker 2: He's looking all sluggish. You can tell like he's not
Speaker 2: in his true form yet. But my man is is
Speaker 2: just throwing hands left and right. It just peer like
Speaker 2: aggression and I'm gonna make this happen. Next to last
Speaker 2: is Daredevil in the prison when Kingpin comes over the
Speaker 2: speaker the CCTV and and lets him know like hey,
Speaker 2: that this has been a trap and he's got to
Speaker 2: get out that prison. And then number one is you
Speaker 2: have Punishers prison sequence, because that was just him just
Speaker 2: sitting there pounding like rawl like yeah, come at me, boys,
Speaker 2: let's do this. It was just like, holy shit, this
Speaker 2: is amazing.
Speaker 1: And yeah, is that is that the one where it
Speaker 1: basically kind of you know, you get the the red
Speaker 1: the red lights. All right, okay, yeah, that's that was
Speaker 1: gonna be next on my list. I think one and more.
Speaker 1: I'll mention you had a few of them. One minute.
Speaker 1: I'll mention it is from season one, episode two, cut man,
Speaker 1: you know, the the hallway fight that started it all. Yes,
Speaker 1: this one shot fallows Daredevil, you know, not any on
Speaker 1: the Black Guar takes on the rushing gang who's kidnapped
Speaker 1: a kid. Huge brutal sequence, establishing the hallway in three doors,
Speaker 1: one room on each side and one room at the
Speaker 1: end where the kid is being held before dared devil
Speaker 1: enters fighting with the way through it. What elevates this
Speaker 1: to my top tier status is that how it established
Speaker 1: the bona fide of the show, because it's in that
Speaker 1: episode that Matt's already bruised. He's battered, so by the
Speaker 1: time he gets to the hallway, it's a brawl rather
Speaker 1: than a carefully corre grassed superhero kind of you know,
Speaker 1: extravaganzil won't call it better parallels the flash flashback fight
Speaker 1: that is built around the episode that ultimately led to
Speaker 1: Matt's father's death. So that's that is my favorite.
Speaker 2: He was he was throwing hands for his life. He
Speaker 2: was exhausted at one point, like again he gets knocked
Speaker 2: to the door, he hits the wall. You can just
Speaker 2: knocked down.
Speaker 1: You tired.
Speaker 2: It's like I think one guy gets a microwave thrown
Speaker 2: at him like they're just going for it.
Speaker 1: So I was like, why are you throwing a bike
Speaker 1: away by in.
Speaker 2: This is a fist fight.
Speaker 1: We're doing microwaves. Now you got a knife at a spoon.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that that that's my my my ranking. So,
Speaker 2: I mean good, great question, all all great scenes, and
Speaker 2: yeah that that one shot has kind of been the
Speaker 2: staple of this series and something that it's been known for.
Speaker 1: Yep, So sorry I didn't I kind of ranked mine
Speaker 1: kind of didn't, but I kind of gave my top
Speaker 1: kind of three there, top winner two. So but all right,
Speaker 1: so Factor Fiction so number one from last week. But again,
Speaker 1: thank you Anthony for sending you that question. As always,
Speaker 1: Factor Fiction number one, BB is behind the anti this
Speaker 1: videos eighty three percent in fact, seventeen percents in fiction.
Speaker 1: We now know that it's true. I think it's almost
Speaker 1: the quickest Factor fiction. Definitely one of them. Claire will
Speaker 1: return as Night Nurse. Sorry, fifty to fifty split. Nobody knows.
Speaker 2: I knew that wasn't up there one, I mean again,
Speaker 2: Metro General is filled with so many Marvel characters. Who
Speaker 2: knows he's going to return?
Speaker 1: Yea. And number three Kingpin will no longer be mayor
Speaker 1: by the end of Darreed Bilborne Against season two. Say
Speaker 1: that is true? All right, so let me pull up mine, okay?
Speaker 1: In Dared Devil Born Again, by the end of the season,
Speaker 1: Vanessa will be killed and that will and it will
Speaker 1: be an advert and that it will be let me rephrase,
Speaker 1: Vanessa will be killed. That will be inadvertently caused by
Speaker 1: Kingpin who So her death is it is because of
Speaker 1: this actions, his actions lead to her day.
Speaker 2: I'm going to say fact on that. And the reason
Speaker 2: that I'm saying fact on that is because I am
Speaker 2: currently looking at my list of stuff that I've been
Speaker 2: compiling for the rest of the season, my justin cases,
Speaker 2: and that is literally on my list for next week.
Speaker 1: So that that is a fact that has been taken.
Speaker 1: All right, So you are a fact and then when
Speaker 1: I'm a fact as well. You know, it's the one
Speaker 1: thing that this has been holding on to. But the
Speaker 1: thing that I don't think, you know, could it be Bullseye,
Speaker 1: could be something else, It could be something even more
Speaker 1: just like sad empathetic because of what she has done
Speaker 1: to Matt and killing Foggy. She deserves it. Yeah, all right.
Speaker 1: By the end of season two of Daredevil Born Again,
Speaker 1: Daredevil will be presented another moment where he has decide
Speaker 1: that he has to decide to kill Bullseye or not,
Speaker 1: but this time he doesn't do it because he intended
Speaker 1: to kill him, like he threw him off the roof.
Speaker 1: I mean it wasn't saying oh, we'll see maybe. No,
Speaker 1: he did it and that's why he stopped being because
Speaker 1: he crossed that line. He will be presented that again
Speaker 1: at some point in this time he will choose the
Speaker 1: hero's path.
Speaker 2: I will say fact on that. I know that there's
Speaker 2: been talks that Bullseye will have some sort of a
Speaker 2: redemption arc this season, but I don't think that it's
Speaker 2: going to be enough to keep them from having that
Speaker 2: moment where they are at the crossroads of what do
Speaker 2: I do with you?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, I'm definitely a fact as well with this.
Speaker 1: So all right, my last one by the end of
Speaker 1: season two Dared Devil Born Again, and I will I
Speaker 1: came up with this one remembering what happened recently during
Speaker 1: interviews with Charlie Cox making this making the rounds. So
Speaker 1: by the end of season two of Daredevil Ward Again,
Speaker 1: Matt Murdoch will be publicly outed as Daredevil and will
Speaker 1: be arrested. The reason I am saying this is because
Speaker 1: Charlie Cox is on Jimmy Kimmel Full Beard talking about
Speaker 1: he was filming sequences for season three. No, if you
Speaker 1: read a Devil in Cell bock D, Matt doesn't go
Speaker 1: like that much full beard. I mean he looks to
Speaker 1: shovel and things like that. I'm thinking we're going to
Speaker 1: that there will be a major time jump at that point,
Speaker 1: but he will be arrested and we will have a
Speaker 1: Devil in Cell bock D.
Speaker 2: You know what I am. I'm going to say say
Speaker 2: fact on that, I originally thought that there is going
Speaker 2: to be I I did think that by the end
Speaker 2: of this season he would be out it. Now you're
Speaker 2: just adding the little extra caveat of and arrested. I
Speaker 2: am going to I'm going to agree with that, and
Speaker 2: I think that might be what helps keep him out
Speaker 2: of the Punisher Special and some other things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like I said, I mean, I know people are saying, oh,
Speaker 1: he's he's that mystery person in uh, you know, Spider
Speaker 1: Man brand New Day. That that against the hand. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying. I'm not saying I disagree. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: it couldn't be. But something about I don't think they're
Speaker 1: going down the route of King King Daredevil. That happened
Speaker 1: recently the Darski's run Ray had the Hue beard, which
Speaker 1: I love that suit. I love the look of the beard.
Speaker 1: I think that was a really cool design. I don't
Speaker 1: think they're going down that right. Yes, they hands involved,
Speaker 1: but I don't think they're going that supernatural with the
Speaker 1: with King Daredevil in this case that's too. It's still
Speaker 1: too mix of shadow Lands, mix of uh, you know,
Speaker 1: the Defenders as mini miniseries. So I do think he's
Speaker 1: gonna be right, did I think we're gonna get some
Speaker 1: sort of He's gonna spend a little bit of time
Speaker 1: in prison at that point as he's waiting for a
Speaker 1: trial or an escape, so or mind wipe.
Speaker 2: You never know, So you're you're thinking more along the
Speaker 2: uh the Marvel Knights, the bndis run of him getting
Speaker 2: out it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm thinking more of that. So it's good run.
Speaker 1: I go back and forth between that. I mean, for
Speaker 1: those that have listened to show for a while, I'm
Speaker 1: a huge fan of Ed bru Baker, just as a writer, author,
Speaker 1: everything like that. I love his Run and Daredevil.
Speaker 2: But.
Speaker 1: I lean just a little bit. I think uh push
Speaker 1: comes to Schub. I think I choose Bendus over Brew
Speaker 1: Baker in this arc. I'm not saying it's it's I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just ever so slightly, but I think it's that
Speaker 1: Devil and cil block dy that really shone for me
Speaker 1: in Bendis's run, especially of how well Ruberber picks it
Speaker 1: up a brew Baker spoiler. Eventually that run come that
Speaker 1: part of the story comes to an end. So yeah,
Speaker 1: but all right, so I will post those on Sunday afternoons.
Speaker 1: Let your voice be heard with that, and let us
Speaker 1: get into Age of Ultron issue four. So what did
Speaker 1: you think about this issue? We were getting We got
Speaker 1: a relation that Luke was bringing she Hulk into as
Speaker 1: a bartering chip to get close to Ultron, and it
Speaker 1: wasn't Ultron, it was Vision.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this this picked up more than the last issue.
Speaker 2: The last issue was a little bit slow. I said
Speaker 2: it last time, and this one goes from there like
Speaker 2: it starts off with Luke again still talking to Vision
Speaker 2: and he's talking like their old buds. He's acting like
Speaker 2: Vision is just you know, is there against his you
Speaker 2: know wishes. And then that's when Vision reveals that no,
Speaker 2: I'm Ultron. Can hear you? Like Ultron is speaking through me?
Speaker 2: And in the future does Yeah. Luke doesn't understand at first.
Speaker 2: She's like, what do you mean he's here? Like, why
Speaker 2: can't I see him? He goes, No, he controlled from
Speaker 2: the future. He watches and controls us all from the future.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's in control from the future in the Ye
Speaker 1: three things thousand.
Speaker 2: And at that point, you know, she all Jennifer, she's
Speaker 2: she's pretty much over this, and she's like, look, I
Speaker 2: told you we should have done it my way. I'm
Speaker 2: stronger than you anyway. She tosses Luke out of the
Speaker 2: building and then begins to assault the ultron bots until
Speaker 2: one of them just point blank shoots her in the head,
Speaker 2: just bam, Yeah, like on one finger shot just right shot.
Speaker 1: Kill so and then vision just kind of like goes
Speaker 1: lit at that point, and the ultron botch are going
Speaker 1: after Luke cage. They kind of shoot him on fires.
Speaker 1: He starts fighting back. He killed my wife, he killed
Speaker 1: my baby. You think I was just going to They
Speaker 1: crashed into a building, Lukes running all through that there.
Speaker 1: They're blowing up the building. They nuke this man at
Speaker 1: one time, literally they they nuke the whole thing, and
Speaker 1: like the whole like Manhattan Harbor, just kind of rustles
Speaker 1: back and it's just like, oh, yeah, we just decided
Speaker 1: to nuke Luke Cage, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So they were they were not gonna let him
Speaker 2: walk away from that. So after that we cut back
Speaker 2: to uh Natasha and Moonnight and they're they're having their
Speaker 2: moment down in Nick Fiery's bunker and figuring out what
Speaker 2: they should do next. They cracked open his world ending
Speaker 2: scenario files because you know, Nick Fery's gotta have a
Speaker 2: contingency plan for everything, and it says that, you know,
Speaker 2: if anything's to happen, we are supposed to go to
Speaker 2: the Savage Land.
Speaker 1: Yeah, go to go savage on him at that point,
Speaker 1: so and he said, so we're gonna go from San
Speaker 1: Francisco savage on it. That's gonna you know, Zone's got
Speaker 1: to get there. And then we see above New York,
Speaker 1: these heroes are doing the same thing, like storms flying
Speaker 1: them out. We've gotten Visible Woman trying to hide them
Speaker 1: until they get to the quin Jet Yet Hulk, Red
Speaker 1: Hulk and task Masker trying to escape, but Red Hook
Speaker 1: thinks he's trying to get one in over on him,
Speaker 1: so then he kills task Master here and eight days
Speaker 1: later we're in the Savage Land and Ksar is there
Speaker 1: and they Luke somehow made it there. You know, they
Speaker 1: found the abandoned quin jet and case are points out
Speaker 1: where Luke is. He's found a way to do it,
Speaker 1: but they we don't see Luke.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: He just points to this where they is, and Emma's like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's dying. He's not gonna make it. We can't go
Speaker 1: in there like he's he's basically nuclear waste.
Speaker 2: I kind of wanted to see that, you know, yes,
Speaker 2: And you know, kept goes is she Hulk with him,
Speaker 2: and they're like, nope, it's just Luke, And trust me,
Speaker 2: you do not want to go in there. Like he
Speaker 2: made it here. He piloted a plane even though he
Speaker 2: doesn't know how to fly a plane. He got all
Speaker 2: the way here, all because he wanted us to hear
Speaker 2: this message. He's he's done his job. But yeah, I
Speaker 2: wouldn't want to go see him. And at that point,
Speaker 2: Red Hulk, Black Widow, Moonnight all show up at the
Speaker 2: Savage Plan as well. They're they're all there together, and
Speaker 2: you know, it says, hey, we we have to go
Speaker 2: get Ultron. At this point, we have to go on
Speaker 2: the offensive rather than continuing to run around.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he said, Nick Fury, he's got had a plan.
Speaker 1: He had a plan for this scenario. So we got
Speaker 1: to enact it. And so, you know, this was a
Speaker 1: little bit a little bit better than the last one.
Speaker 1: But you know, kind of like I think's happening with
Speaker 1: Devyl Born again's you know, with the last episode. I
Speaker 1: think this is also the turning point of you know,
Speaker 1: they're going to go on offense. Well they do say
Speaker 1: the next issue says it all comes crashing down, so
Speaker 1: probably not in the most positive way, but I'm cold
Speaker 1: starting to remember a little bit what's getting ready to happen.
Speaker 1: An interesting twist I think is about it's about to occur.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so we will read issue number five next week.
Speaker 1: So all right, so we hope you all enjoyed volume
Speaker 1: two ninety one in the books as we march towards
Speaker 1: episode three hundred, Uh, David Dick, we we I think
Speaker 1: we've got our plan. I've got to talk to mister
Speaker 1: mister Snell about uh, you know, if we're moving forward,
Speaker 1: it sounds like ys ago a year ago, and we
Speaker 1: need to talk to someone else's say, if there a go.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm looking looking forward to as we continue to
Speaker 2: march on. It's it's gonna be a good one.
Speaker 1: Yes, so but uh but yeah, so we will see
Speaker 1: you all next week for Dared Devil Born Again season
Speaker 1: season two, episode four, and continue We'll see if any
Speaker 1: news drops. If not, hey, let'st's talk drible. It's it's
Speaker 1: just you know, we're enjoying this like nice little stint
Speaker 1: of content we got coming out. So David, tell me
Speaker 1: about the CAFALIU plug what you got coming all right?
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Speaker 2: spring break and schedules are aligning to be able to
Speaker 2: do it then, so yeah, I'm going to be having
Speaker 2: a special so as we march in and then in
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks, we will be continuing our role
Speaker 2: to WrestleMania and our review of aw Dynasty, which mister
Speaker 2: Snell will be lucky to be at live and in
Speaker 2: person and literally messaging with him right now as he's
Speaker 2: revealing some matches for the car and he feels like
Speaker 2: it is being made strictly for him, So he's going
Speaker 2: to be a kid in a candy or come that
Speaker 2: episode couple of weeks.
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Speaker 1: probably for a three hour plus breakdown of every single
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Speaker 1: the man would say, fixed Selsier true believers, all right,
Speaker 1: David post post credit discussion, what do you have?
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 2: Uh? Drew Goddard was on the Happy, Sad, Confused podcasts
Speaker 2: and he said that the Netflix is Dared Devil was
Speaker 2: originally meant to be a two part movie. Said, my
Speaker 2: vision is that the first villain would have been Kingpin
Speaker 2: and the villain the second movie should be Punisher. What
Speaker 2: that said? What other Marvel projects should Slash could have
Speaker 2: been a movie or movies that should have been a
Speaker 2: TV show.
Speaker 1: Well, we've said it during the review, not a TV show, anthology,
Speaker 1: sire or something like that. Eternals should have been a
Speaker 1: TV show. I'm not saying it would have. I think
Speaker 1: just the way the history of the Eternals I think
Speaker 1: was there are so much there that I think it
Speaker 1: was very rushed. You know, I don't put it as
Speaker 1: the worst Marvel MC movie at that point. It's not.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a different movie, it's a different kind
Speaker 1: of filming at that point. I'm not saying it would
Speaker 1: have improved. I think, oh my god, the Eternals are
Speaker 1: the things. I think it would have gained a better
Speaker 1: appreciation of the characters and better understanding their backstories and
Speaker 1: where it was leading towards. I think the story of
Speaker 1: the Eternals is so big that a TV show would
Speaker 1: have been a better option than a movie.
Speaker 2: I agree for movies that should have been TV shows,
Speaker 2: I would have split out the e Turnals a little
Speaker 2: bit more, given characters a little bit more focus and agency,
Speaker 2: Like I don't feel like a lot of those characters
Speaker 2: you really got to bond with or care about enough
Speaker 2: for everything, like, yeah, can go with funny and you know,
Speaker 2: you had your other characters, but it just it didn't
Speaker 2: really resonate. And I think part of that is the
Speaker 2: connection to the characters. A TV show that I would
Speaker 2: have made into a movie and I go fifty to
Speaker 2: fifty about how successful it would have been, but I
Speaker 2: felt like In Humans could have been better off as
Speaker 2: a movie.
Speaker 1: Better movie done. Never talked about the movie. They put
Speaker 1: those episodes in the theater.
Speaker 2: So I mean, and I think that just having letting
Speaker 2: that just be a standalone, not trying to stretch it
Speaker 2: out as much as it got stretched out, not trying
Speaker 2: to fold as much of the ABC marvel into everything
Speaker 2: and do all this separate world building. Could have just
Speaker 2: been a movie and if you touched on it later, awesome,
Speaker 2: If not, then it was it just lived in its
Speaker 2: own all right.
Speaker 1: So on, I have a show that should have been
Speaker 1: a movie, not because of the content of the show,
Speaker 1: but for the idea of the show, because this ruined
Speaker 1: what was a great idea fully in it, not because
Speaker 1: it was a show, but because there was so much
Speaker 1: wrong with it. I'm saying it. Secret Invasion should have
Speaker 1: been a movie. This should have been something that should
Speaker 1: have been built across the about a slate. It should
Speaker 1: have been building in the phase to lead into Avengers
Speaker 1: Secret Invasion, like building the Scroll Invasion. I mean that
Speaker 1: summer of the revelation, the build up of like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, the he the heroes, we don't know who
Speaker 1: is a scroll? Who isn't you know? They could they
Speaker 1: could have left the seeds that they had the seeds post,
Speaker 1: you know, Captain Marvel. They could have started placing these
Speaker 1: these ideas of paranoia, things like it and all this
Speaker 1: idea and then like, I don't know who, what hero
Speaker 1: they could have replaced. I'm not saying Scroti was the
Speaker 1: right one, but like someone higher tier. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: one of the quote unquote the the Avengers Trinity of
Speaker 1: Thor Iron Man, Captain America, but something of a player
Speaker 1: that nobody knew and would start questioning things that could
Speaker 1: have been a much bigger movie. And what they did
Speaker 1: with the show. We've already rehashed it. Go feel free,
Speaker 1: as I always say, check out our final episode of
Speaker 1: that reviews. It was my most unhinged in the sense
Speaker 1: of frustration with you had you had this amazing thing
Speaker 1: and you just squandered it at that point. But yeah,
Speaker 1: Secret Invasion would be my TV show to movie, not
Speaker 1: because of the content of the show, but because they
Speaker 1: could have done better, much better.
Speaker 2: I agree. So but all right, you got anymore or
Speaker 2: now that that's all that I can think of? Uh
Speaker 2: out of that, like, yeah, we were both on the
Speaker 2: same page with the first one, and yeah, I just
Speaker 2: felt like in Humans just just get it out there.
Speaker 2: I felt like they just stretched out just a little
Speaker 2: bit too much.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, we will see you all next week
Speaker 1: for Devil Born Again, Season two, episode four. You'all have
Speaker 1: a great weekend, if you have a long weekend, if
Speaker 1: you celebrate the Easter holiday, got that up, enjoy that,
Speaker 1: and we will see you in a week's time. Talk
Speaker 1: to y'all later. Bye bye, Happy Easter.