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Dogmanencounters dot com forward slash podcast. Hey everyone, thanks so
much for joining us for another live stream episode of
the show. I really appreciate it. In case you didn't know,
I heard another live stream earlier this week on Wednesday night,
and on that show I made a big announcement. That
announcement is in the near future, I plan to launch
another podcast. It's dog man centered, just like Dogman Encounters is,
but this new podcast, instead of airing real life encounters
with dog men, this is going to be a podcast
where I'm going to create stories about dog men that
are fictional, not real. This podcast is not going to
be available on YouTube. It's going to be a podcast
app only show. I will release the name of the
podcast once I get a heck of a lot closer
to being ready to launch it, just so you know.
But I'll keep getting a loop on that. Once it
is ready to go, or at least close to being
ready to go, then I'll be sure to let you know. Also,
on last Wednesday's show, to give you a taste for
what to expect. Towards the end of that show, I
aired episode one of this new podcast. So if you
missed that episode, episode five sixty four and would like
to check out this first episode of the new podcast.
Like I said, that's where you can check it out
and listen to it. All Right, without any further ado,
let's bring tonight's guest in. Tonight's guest is Michael Scott. Mike,
Welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: Hey, how you doing nice for you here?
Speaker 2: Thank you, well, it's great having you. Thank you for
your time.
Speaker 1: Mike.
Speaker 2: Please give us a brief bio in yourself.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm sixty years old. I live in San Diego County,
California right now.
Speaker 1: I grew up in.
Speaker 3: The Shan Francisco Bay area of most of my life,
you know. I lived to live up there and moved
down here probably about twenty years ago, twenty twenty five
years ago, I guess, somewhere in there.
Speaker 1: But and right now I'm somewhere.
Speaker 3: I retired and I just just spend life and me
and my dog these days, just trying to get by.
Speaker 2: Well, sounds like a good life to me. Nothing wrong
with that at all, Mike, you were fourteen or fifteen
when you had your first encounter. That was the dog
meaning the encounter we're going to talk about tonight. Then,
unfortunately you're so traumatized by it you haven't set foot
in the wood since without having a gun in your possession,
and a big gun at that. What kind of gun
do you only, Carrie?
Speaker 3: I mean a rifle or rifle or shotgun, you know,
thirty odd stakes.
Speaker 1: My favorite hunting rifle is my thirty od sticks.
Speaker 3: I've had that forever, you know, and I have, you know,
bird a shotgun which I carry sometimes you know, with
slugs whatever or double a buck shot, but most of
time it's a rifle. I prefer the power and the
accuracy of a high power rifle.
Speaker 2: When you do that. How much faith do you have
in that rifle or shotgun to protect you if you
do have another dog meaning encounter.
Speaker 3: I don't, to be honest with you, I don't know.
If I I'd probably be shaking. I don't know if
I could actually put the crosshairs on the thing, man,
because I'd be I'd be so scared. I mean, I'm
shaking shaking, you know, I mean because I mean, because
to see the thing. It's one thing to talk about it.
It's one thing to you know, to imagine it. But
I mean, but when you're standing in front of something
that you thought was only in you know, and make
believe it in movies, is just it's surreal. I mean,
I can't even explain it. You don't even so many
thoughts run through your head. But I believe and I
can understand why a lot of pictures don't get taken
into these things, or any bigfoot or whatever is because
when it usually it's a surprise thing.
Speaker 1: When it happens, you know, you're not You're not. I didn't.
Speaker 3: I certainly wasn't expecting that at all, you know what
I mean, And it just literally put a whole new
uh angle to the game, you know what I mean
out there that night, you know what I mean, It's
like it took my whole interest of fishing away. You know,
it's gone, you know, and now like the only cause
Shane on what was going on out in the bushes.
Speaker 1: So it's just there's something to it. You know. It's
not just like seeing a.
Speaker 3: Bear in the woods for you know, or an animal
that you normally don't see. I mean, this is an
animal that supposedly didn't exist, you know, there's such thing.
Speaker 1: That's what I was told all my life. There's no
such thing as werewolves or anything of the such, you know.
Speaker 3: And that's not what I assumed this thing was most
of my life, you know, And I never told anybody
because I was scared of he call me an idiot,
a kook, you know. And so my I just rational
up in my mind that well, maybe rere worse, we
were wolves are real. And then as I got older
and I saw some of the other fairy tales in life,
and I figured most a lot of these things had
some truth to them, you know, and so I thought, well,
maybe there's some truths of this thing too, Maybe there
are maybe there really are werewolves. And so that's how
I taken it most of my life until all of
a sudden, this dog man phenomen i started coming around,
and I was like dog man and then I started
Then I saw a picture and I was like, holy cow, wow,
that's exactly what I saw, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And I go, that's that's what they're called.
Speaker 3: I go that that's what That's when it was awakening
for me, you know. But I just and I kind of,
like I said, I saw when I was so young
that I just put it off. And only time I'd
actually really think about it is if I was going
into the woods to go camping and fishing or hunting
or something like that, or I was or were at
a party with friends and the bigfoot of Cryptis came
up somehow, you know whatever. But I still wouldn't even mention.
I'd want to say nothing, you know, because how do
you how do you rationalize that to somebody, you know,
like like myself, he has grown up all their lives,
you know, being told that no such things exists, and
you're at a party with all your peers, you know,
at that crucial time in your life man and your teens,
you know. And also you tell a story like that
and people just look at you like what you know?
So I remember that was that was really weird being
you know, that's probably one of the only secrets I've
ever been able to hold my whole life for so long.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Well, that's an easy secret to keep because yeah, like
you said, if you come out with it with family
and friends in most cases are going to laugh at you.
So it's understandable why you keep it to yourself, And
I'm so sorry you had to have that experience. Like
we've already established, it was so traumatic that you gave
up fishing and you were crazy about fishing. So that
tells me a lot right there. If it traumatized you
so much that you refuse to go out and do
any more fishing, that's that's just horrible, it really is.
Would you say that that gun? Oh, I'm sorry, what
did you say?
Speaker 1: Or at least not without a gun?
Speaker 3: I mean, I would go and go fishing, but it
would have to be a pretty much plan trip in
an area that I was familiar with, and I made
sure that I went armed, you know.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure you did. Would you say that that
encounter stole the rest of your childhood or was that
not the case?
Speaker 3: Many of these stole my childhood because I'm pretty I'm
I'm pretty happy to go luck. Yeah, I do a
lot of things, and I'm interested in a lot of things,
and so I jump around in all over life, you know,
and and I try not to let anything get me down.
But it definitely stayed in the back of my head,
you know. I mean, it's like a lesson learned type thing,
you know what I mean. You know, I don't have
to be taught twice, you know, I mean, I from
that point on, I knew that there was something out
there that I couldn't explain, that I'd have no answer for.
And I knew that most of the world didn't have
an answer for it, and neither my parents certainly didn't,
you know what I mean, And so I knew better
to even try to approach you with them because my
parents were such skeptics anyway about anything, you know, And
and I was too, you know. I mean, like I said,
I grew up in their household, so watching my dad
criticize all, you know, big foot shows and like you know,
and so I was in the same way. I assume
the same you know, attitude toward it, you know. But
like I said, it all changes once you see something
with your own eyes, and you know what you saw,
you know, And nobody can sit there and tell me
what I didn't see or didn't see. I know what
I saw. I was a grown man later on in
life when I saw the big football. I'll tell you what.
When I was a kid, I know, I saw this
thing in the dark, but I still saw this thing,
and this thing was still present.
Speaker 1: I can hear it. I could. I mean, I'm watching it.
Speaker 3: I'm watching I'm listening to the branches break, I'm listening
to the breathing, the way that it huffed and huffed
at me, just his things, like sound like it was
sniffing the air. It was just freaking me out because
the noise I never heard anything like that. It sound
like a super like sized dog on steroids that had
the lung power. That was just like like just the
huffs that he made like it was so weird. I
can't describe it, you know, And and that's what that's
what was really shaming then. You know, at the time,
I'm thinking, maybe too, maybe this isn't maybe some Bigfoot,
because I heard about Bigfoot.
Speaker 1: When I was fourteen.
Speaker 3: I never I definitely heard about Bigfoot, but no, I
from ununderstood at that time, there was no reports of
that anywhere near that part of sam Mateo County where
I lived, you know, in those mouths. Even though there's
really really you know, desolate mountain out there's a lot
a lot of country, a lot of land and trees
out there. I've never heard any reports. You know or
at least you know, public reports of bigfoot or anything
like that out there and so or any kind of
cryptid and so to me, when when I first heard
the footfalls coming towards me, I can tell it was bipedal,
you know, But you know, I had to really I
was questioning that, you know, I kept thinking, what the heck?
Then then I'm thinking, Oh, it's got to be the
game board. It's got to be the game boarder or
share somebody must have saw a sneak in here, you know,
And that was what I was. That was where my terrified.
I started getting scared, thinking, oh, we're in trouble, we're
gonna get caught, and so literally freezing. But then it
was a whole different ballgame when when you realize it's
not a human being, it's not a sheriff, it's not
a gameboard at all. And at that point, I'm almost
wished you would have been a gameboard. Really, to be honest.
Speaker 2: With you, Well, I can understand why. Yeah, that's just horrible. Unfortunately,
that encounter was so bad you sought professional help in
hopes of finally being able to come to terms with
that experience. How'd that go for.
Speaker 3: You, okay, like I said, but I still had I
still had the feeling that my the doctor here, that
he he took it with a grain of salt. You know,
he didn't really I don't think he really believed me.
But he didn't shoot me down either. He didn't discredit
me or make me seem like I was, you know,
crazy or something.
Speaker 1: He said, you know, it's experience. You know, different experiences.
Speaker 3: You know, you have different experiences, and sometimes trauma caused it,
you know, he told me.
Speaker 1: He handed me the usual kind of you know what
you think would.
Speaker 3: Be caused as you know, childhood trauma and stuff like that.
And I'm like, no, I know what I saw. I'm
not I'm not stupid. I know what I saw, you know,
and I and I've never seen anything like that before
in my life, and I ever seen anything after that
except on in videos now, okay, but I've never seen
that in my life. And nobody's ever told me in
school or in you know, among my peers or my
parents fam. Nobody's ever told me and showed me, Hey,
this thing exists out here in the woods. So if
you're out here playing or doing your thing, you better
watch out be careful, you know, And had had they
told me that, I probably would have never been and
I would probably never went in the woods, you know,
because I lived in areas where there was a lot
so woods nearby. Me and my brother were very, very adventurous,
and that was that was our playground, you know. And
so to me, man to have that, to know that
there's something out there that I don't know where, when
and how to pop up any time, like a rattlesninak,
to me is almost like the feeling, you know what
I mean, I can get bid anytime, you know, depending
on where I'm walking. So I really get started paying attention,
you know. And and there was times, you know, periods
of my life as I went through days of my
life where I kind of forgot all about it, you know,
I wasn't even thinking about it. But then all of
a sudden, I you know, I'd hook up with a
friend that all of a sudden was into hunting or
fishing or you know, backpacking or kayaking or something outdoors,
and we'd end up, you know, planning a trip or
some sort. And then that's when I would ooh, that's
a whole nother that's like a whole other curve ball
that's in the equation I have to count for, you know,
to me, you know, And so that that was really weird.
And I didn't know if that was just me, you know,
being paranoid or what. And so, you know, while I
was I sought help from a psychilogist, you know, and
as I did, you know, I was trying to am
I how do I cope with something like that? Because
everywhere around me is the woods, you know, and I'm
not afraid of the dark. I mean, I used to
be able to walk right through the woods and in
the pitch dark, no problem, not a problem in the world,
nothing scared me. And now I can they'll do that.
But every here on the back of my neck is
standing up at the same time. And I am hyper
aware of every sound, any kind of movement, anything like that,
and I will literally stop dead in my tracks and
not move a minute, not moving inch until I can
decipher to figure out what that sound was, you know.
And that's and and that that bothers me because there's
been times I had to get somewhere, you know, and
hiking or move or walking in the in the outside
and I and I'd be stopping every five, you know,
ten thirty seconds.
Speaker 1: Man to look around like what the heck? Like what
was that?
Speaker 3: And I go dance, Stop it, man, you're getting carried away.
Might just walk, just walk, you know, And and and
that's I started going through that.
Speaker 1: Most of my life.
Speaker 3: I have these little moments where I get kind of
carried away. I daydream about it, and all of a
sudden it would be like whoa, you know, and then
then the reality when it when the ad reality of
it all comes back to you. I mean, it really
actually drives me. I get like a drop in my heart,
you know. I mean, it's just weird. It's a weird sization.
It's something you can't describe until you actually experience it.
I guess you know, I was a skeptic.
Speaker 1: I would have never.
Speaker 3: I would have never a million years somebody would have
told me that these animals, these beings existed. I would
have looked like my mom used to tell me, stop
being stupid. You know, you're being ridiculous. There's no such
thing as were well, there's no such thing as dogs
with two lay running around two legs. Michael let A
seven ft talls. It doesn't happen. Michael lives are always
in the movies. You watch too many movies.
Speaker 2: Well, you never had any reason to believe they were
out there, so no one could fault you for that.
I just hate the fact that yeah found out that
they are. That's just not good at all.
Speaker 3: Well, when I was in when I was in boy
Scouts you know, cutsouts with wit scouts or anything that
I've never heard any mention of anything like that, you know.
But then we talked about what predators are out there,
the apex predators you know, you know, bears and mountain
lions and wulls and stuff like that. You know, which
is you know that are you know that live here
in North America? You know, And not once did they
bring up Well, but you know, I know that there
hasn't been proven that possibility. There could be possibilities these
these beings out here. We don't we haven't really identified
them all yet. But but there's a possibility out here.
That would have been to me better than not being
said anything at all, you know, and knowing that that
they're out there and letting people just go out there
and to be scared to death or whatever. And like
I said, when I talked to you before, you were
saying that considered, you know, if that if he wanted
to eat me or kill me whatever, he could have
easily done that.
Speaker 1: And I agree with you.
Speaker 3: I feel there's no way he I could have survived
any kind of encounter that thing, you know. And so
by him walking away and me allowing me to walk away,
that was his choice that he allowed me to walk away.
So and that gave me some relief. And you know
when you told me that, I actually thought about that
quite a bit, you know, and that, you know, and
that made me feel a lot better, you know, because
that whole time, I'm I was laying on that that wet,
wet bank of that lake right there, man, on that reservoir,
soaking wet, literally just shaken, thinking, man, I can't this thing,
can't see this man, I got it. And I'm telling
my buddy to shut it, just keep quiet, don't even
open your mouth for nothing. This things right there, you know,
And I remember just praying that that thing would just
get far enough away where I could jump up and run.
Speaker 1: That's all I want to do. You know.
Speaker 3: That fight or flight was just kicking in so hard, man,
And I'm like, but I knew if I jumped up
and run. I figured I figured that prey response or
something he would chase and that would be it. And
so I wanted to make sure there was a good
distance between us before I did get up and run,
And if I literally had to, I was ready to
jump into the reservoir.
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't care.
Speaker 3: But that was that was really really at that one point,
I'm just trying to think, how am I going to
get out of here? You know, That's all I wanted
to do. And it was weird because I kind of
went into a tunnel visions. I wasn't even thinking about
my buddy or how he was going to get out
of there, how we were going to gether. I thought
about how am I going to get out of here
right now? That's how terrified I was.
Speaker 2: You know, well, yeah, you can't be faulted for that.
I mean, when things go sideways like that, you just
revert and you just just every man for himself. That's understandable.
Well what do you think, Mike, there's no rush, But
are you ready to tell us the whole story about
what happened? Which one about the dog men the encounter?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's pretty much. Yeah, I can tell you
the whole the whole thing from start to finish.
Speaker 2: Yeah, tell us the whole thing from start to finish.
And if we need to take any breaks, we can.
So if that does come to be, if you do
need to take any breaks, and just let me know
and we will.
Speaker 3: Well, like I said, I gave you you know, some
some about it, you know, briefly there. But that night,
me and my buddy Troy, we were average abat fishermen.
Speaker 1: Man. We were.
Speaker 3: We were so into fishing that it was irritating the
hell out of my dad. My dad used to drive
I used to drive him nuts. I told him I
was gonna be a pro bass fisherman in all us
and he was like, yeah, Michael, another pipe dreaming, right
for sure? How I really yeah, right, you know, never
never taking me seriously, but you know whatever. And so
I used to try to fish every chance I got.
Man and my grandpa just take me fishing any chance
that you know, he had time to do so. But
then there was also we lived next to this reservoir.
I lived in San Mateo County at the time. I
lived in a city called San Carlos right next to Belmont,
Redwood City and The reservoir was Crystal Springs Reservoir, and
it's a drinking water reservoir. For the water comes from
Heatshatchy supply over in the Yosemite Valley and it comes
back over to the Crystal Springs via an aqueduct pipe
basically that pumps it all the way there, and then
it goes through a water temple, the pulgas water temple.
Speaker 1: Then it goes out into the reservoir.
Speaker 3: And that's right exactly right on top of the San
Andreas Fault, so they haven't found the bottom in some
parts of this reservoir. It's that deep and it's crystal
clear water. Crystal clear water. I mean, it's just beautiful, beautiful,
and you can see down and you see the fish
in this thing. It's just out of this world. I mean,
to a fisherman, it's like a dream. It's paradise for
a fishermen. They're huge rainbow trout, huge brown trout, huge bass.
I was told there's even sturgeon in there, two big
sturgeon down at the bottom, but I've never caught or
seen a sturgeon there. But I've seen I've caught bass
and rainbow trout and I've caught a brown trout there.
But the thing is, you're not supposed to fish there.
It's a it's a drinking water reservoir that's highly highly guarded,
highly protected, and there's a huge, huge fence that runs
the entire perimeter of this reservoir on all sides. And
if I was standing up, I was looking at the
reservoir looking west from where I Where where we approached
it from was on Highway ninety two, which is only
the road that goes over to.
Speaker 1: Hafloon Bay from Sant Carlos Belmont.
Speaker 3: That part of the peninsula, it's like back in the day,
used to be just a two two lane road that
goes over the mountain down.
Speaker 1: To the other side of the coast.
Speaker 3: Well, during the earthquakes, is the lower period of quake,
that part of the road separated like forty feet, you know,
and so the road was closed for a long time.
Speaker 1: And so right before right after they've just opened it again.
Speaker 3: When they finally put all together, there was it was
in a whole different area that it took away the
area that we were able to sneak in from, you know,
so we had to find another spot. But anyway, the
night that we went. We decided that we were going
to go at midnight, you know, because we didn't want
to be seen. Can't be seen going in there, obviously,
because it's protected, and we've always had fantasies about fishing there.
I had a neighborho the next that's me, that worked
for the water department and used to tell me about
the size of the fish that we're in there and everything.
And so we planned to do what kids do man
sneak in there and fish one night and we rode
our bikes from our house.
Speaker 1: It was about four four miles or so, and I
had two fishing poles.
Speaker 3: My buddy had two fishing poles, and we had a
couple of small I had a small fishing careel type
thing that had you know a little bit of tackling
bait and stuff in it. And we had some sodas
and a couple of sandwiches and just t shirts magis.
It was a summer night and we rode down there
and there's a hole in the fence already down there,
down on the corner where Highway ninety two comes along
the fence along that part of the fence, and that's
the southern end of the reservoir right there of the
of the Northern reserorot it's the southern end of the
northern part of the reservoir. And so when we got
to the fence, we went through the hole and then
we took our bikes around or another about one hundred
yards into the brush in there, and then we ditched
our bikes in the brush and it couldn't be seen.
There's nobod knew, nobody's gonna touch them these. You know,
we're in the middle of nowhere with in a place
we're not really supposed to be. So, but the only
way we were going to fish on that lake is
to get down to the water's edge and walk the
hole water line all the way into this inlet that
would be on the east the western side of the lake,
and the inlet would go in about maybe maybe three
quarters of a mile maybe not now half a mile,
maybe almost. It goes in quite a ways and it
curves back, and as it curves back, it literally you
can't be seen from the main body of the lake,
which is what we needed to where we needed to
be because on that other side of it there was
a hiking trail, not that there be anybody on at
that time of night. But there's also a highway right
alongside it as well as the freeway as well as
a look out like of just the point type thing,
and so there technically could be people there that could
see us. So we decided, you know, make sure that
we go way back in that coast so we can't
be seen, you know, that way, we can none of
our lights or anything like that could be seen. Well,
it took us a minute to get back there, and
we had to walk go through the poison oak and
all this stuff and trees whatever it was to get
down to the water's edge, and there's no trail, so
we had to literally blazer on trail to this stuff
and got down to the water, followed that edge, got
all the way into the end of where we wanted
to go, and we started setting up our poles. Once
we got this spot, we're in a fish and we
had about three quarters of a full moon, maybe not
quite full, but enough light that I can see, but
it was very dim and at a certain point that
the moon had gone behind the trees and it was
certainly dark at that point.
Speaker 1: But so what I started putting my first pole.
Speaker 3: Together, got it set up, and I casted it out
and got it set in the water, and I set
my drag, you know, and got everything set up. And
now that poles just a waiting game. So I was
starting to work on setting up my second pole and
that and my buddy Troy was doing the same, and
all of a sudden I heard to I mean I
heard a snap. Something broke a branch that was huge.
I mean it sounded like like a tree snap, you know.
And there was no wind. I mean, this is a
summer night. It was still as gonna be. All you
can hear is crickets and frogs everywhere. And so I'm
was like, wow, that was I looked at my buddy
and he's kind of looked at me like I was big,
And I go, what could have what could I what
could that?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 3: You know, a tree branch of some sort, But why
would it well, I mean trees do fall in the woods.
So that's that kind of brushed off left it at that,
And so I'm putting my pole together, and all of
a sudden I started hearing a like a sniffing sound,
like like a dog sniffs when he's like sniffing the ground,
you know, looking for something, and he's like, you know
that hiss his this now, and I was like, I
looked at my buddy again, and he kind of looked.
Speaker 1: At me and he goes.
Speaker 3: I go, oh, and I think maybe a coyote or something.
You know, that's my first thought. It's a coyote or
something like that. But you know, then I thought again, well,
you know, they don't get close to humans like that.
And they surely got to know we're here where we've
been talking. You know, we walked in and they can
smell us, I'm sure. But this thing kept walking towards us,
and I'm thinking, man, it's by peedle. That's only on
two not only are two footfalls, you know, And I'm
and I'm at this point, I'm dead silent. I'm not
even moving a muscle. I'm just standard holding my one
my fishing line in my one hand and my pole
on the other hole my hand, and I'm looking into
the dark, dark tangle of brush above us, and it's
maybe twenty thirty feet kind of like a sliding bankment
behind us that comes off the water's edge, and then
it just goes into these big open redwood trees with
just saparol brush all through it. It's really really dense,
but there's pockets of open space, you know, where you
can see and if you're at the lower enough angle
where you can actually see like the blue sky through
the trees, that silhouette the tree is really perfect.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: Well, I heard the footfalls coming toward us and there
by Peele, and at one point the sniffing got so
you know, with the I mean it was just intense.
The sniffing was like like it seemed like it was
right there. And I'm thinking to myself, what could be
sniffing that hard? I mean that that make that loud.
And I've heard deer. I've heard bucks before when they
when they snort, you know, and they make that that
hoof sound real when they're when they're they're in the rut,
you know.
Speaker 1: But I thought, well, maybe it could be.
Speaker 3: It could be you know, but all I'm run, all
things run through my mind, right and then I'm thinking,
oh shit, it's probably a game.
Speaker 1: Moore than Oh my god, I looked at through head
and I say it's probably the game.
Speaker 3: He goes, he goes, somebody probably saw us, and he's like, oh,
so now we're like oh man. So we drouched down
and we're sitting here all quiet just now, both us
are dead quiet, not saying nothing, just staring up at
that up to where the sound's coming from. And then
literally right at that moment my pole, a fish bites
my line that I had already set in the water,
and I hear my drag started peeling off, and it
was it was getting loud.
Speaker 1: Was so loud, and I'm like, oh my god.
Speaker 3: So I was like trying to dive on my pole
at the same way, doing it discreetly without making too
much noise or you know, ruckus. I tried to grab
my pole to shut the shut the drag off they
make that and stop the noise. And it was literally
burning my finger. It was a big fish, and unfortunately
I lost the fish hand my pole. It was burning
my fingers and I couldn't stop it. I couldn't stop
it with my fingers, and I couldn't tighten the drag enough,
you know, And so it literally just it took all
the line right off the pole, and the pole gone
into the water, was gone, and.
Speaker 1: And I didn't know what to do. And at that
point this thing started.
Speaker 3: It tried it it like took two steps, crunch crunched
down to like a lower another landing, which made him
like twenty feet above us. And man, that's when I
was I was actually having I was about ready to
have a heart attack, to be honest you, in all honesty,
because I didn't know there was definitely something above. I
couldn't tell what it was, and it wasn't making any
noise except the sniffing noise. And then that's when I
literally lifted my head up above a little bit of
the brush of right on the shore line there, so
I could just try to get any glimpse of what
it looked like. Maybe you see if it's a uniform,
you know, if I see a uniform to a game
warden or a copp or something. I was you know,
at this point, I'm almost hoping it was a game warden, right,
And then I literally see I see this like something
kind of rising up into into the silhouette of the
blue sky in the trees, and I'm going, and I'm
trying to wrap over my head, what is that?
Speaker 1: What is that? It's lit?
Speaker 3: Something standing up And I noticed that point had points
on each side of his head, and I thought.
Speaker 1: Like a Batman.
Speaker 3: I thought maybe had a Batman costume type thing that
my first thing at like a Batman costume. But then
when it stood completely up, I saw the head facial
hair like on the side of his face that like
straggly hung down and like almost like dreadlike like locksman.
It had a short muzzle like it had like a
long face, but it had like a muzzle that stuck out,
but it wasn't long like a dog's, like a like
a German shepherd or something like that, but it was
enough where you could see it. It made a weird profile,
like the lower part of the face jutted out, and
it had an atom's apple, you know. And I mean
I could see when it turned towards it and when
it turned and I saw a perfect silhouette of it
in the in the blue sky, and I can see
it's Adam's apple.
Speaker 1: It's I can see this neck.
Speaker 3: It had like a neck and it was kind of
hunched forward looking thing. And it didn't have no clothes
or anything got on it. It was just like it
was just dark dark. I couldn't really see any kind
of color of it.
Speaker 1: And then as it literally started sniffing the air and
it was.
Speaker 3: It turned his head back toward us, and that's when
I was, Oh my god. I literally thought that was
the biggest fight or flighting I think I ever felt
in my life. Right there, I thought, and I gotta,
I gotta get out of here something now, I got
to go, because this thing turned back to look at
us and then started to put his head up in
the air and start sniffing the air again, you know.
And I was like, oh my god, he smells us. Man,
He's gonna come get us. And and I'm so I'm reaching,
I'm trying to figure out where my knife is in
my tackle box, my creole thing, and I'm digging all
through my stuff as fast as I can and quietly
as I can, and the whole time in a panic,
absolute panic, you know. And this thing is literally stepped
off the the.
Speaker 1: The second landing.
Speaker 3: It stepped onto you, and it was and it started
walking adjacent to us, but away deeper into the woods
where the creek came out and entered into the lake.
And I didn't know if that was a good thing
or a bad thing, because we had in order for
us to leave, we had the kind of go around
this little peninsula at this little point and run back
kind of in that direction, you know, And the only
thing that would separate us from him at that point
would be a small section of land of dirt with
a few bushes on it. And now and then we
literally have to face, you know, like either crossing paths
with it or beat him to that path or whatever.
And so that was what was going through my head
at this point. I'm thinking, how I got to somehow
beat him because he's going basically the way we're going,
but he's going the hard way essence, because he's going
up through the books. We went along the shore line,
you know. And so the reason we went to the shoreline
is because, like I said, there's no trails and it
was dense brush, and so we couldn't we didn't want
to make it su at the time of night. We're
trying to get out there to fish. So now we
have to get out of there. Is the only way
we know to get out of there is to take
that shoreline back, you know, And that literally would mean
walking adjacent to that creek where that thing's walking up
that creek right now. So we literally have to go
a distance over that creek right alongside us.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: So I was like, I was freaking out about that,
you know, I mean, how are we going to do that?
That's what I kept rationalizing, by how are we going
to get past him? If he's walking that same direction?
Speaker 1: You know, we can't.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to go deeper into it because we
went north, or if we went west, we were just
going deeper and deeper into the woods, you know. So
the only thing I can think of, my only alternative
was I was going to jump in the reservoir. If
I had to, I would have literally jumped in the
reservoir and I would have swam over to the other
side if I had to, you know, because it was
the point where where that fight or flight was kicking
in so hard, you know that I didn't know what
to do. And I was only fourteen years old, and
you know, I've never I've never had to cry out
for mom or dad every before, but man, I swear
I wish.
Speaker 1: My dad was there that time, you know.
Speaker 3: And uh, well, and so this thing went up into
the There's a creek. There's like a creek that runs
full time right there and it feeds into that lake.
It's one of the I guess part of the watershed.
And so once we once this thing walked up to that,
I literally laid flat on the bank of the lake
or the reservoir, which is kind of like gravel, you know,
muddy rock gravel, and it was all wet because you know,
there's no waves or anything like that, so to speak,
the water maybe lap up, you know, four or five
inch little waves, you know, at the most, but the
bank was maybe three or four feet wide at the most,
four where the brush would start. And so I was
literally laying down in that little drop off from the
bankment to where the water's edge was. And when I
saw this thing at first coming down toward in the
direction toward us, it was getting louder and louder, and
then I saw the immensity of it, the dark hulk,
you know, how big it was up in the in
the silhouette of the sky. And that's when I just said,
oh my God, and I laid down. I laid down
flat on that on that bank, soaking wet. I didn't care,
you know, I have my I literally had my face
laying flat on the on the on the rocks and mud,
just not moving, not even breathing so much because this
thing was.
Speaker 1: Like it looked like it was like right over the
top of it, you know.
Speaker 3: And and I couldn't tell what my buddy Troub was
doing because I didn't even look at him. I didn't
want to make the movement to look at him, you know,
I just I was just staring in the direction of
this thing, just to make sure I could catch any
kind of movement it was going to make if it
was going to come after us or something, because at
that point I would have literally just rolled over into
the water and tried to swim away. That's what that
was the only thing I could think of it doing,
you know. And so as a thing literally walked up
the bankment a little ways and disappeared, you know, kind
of in the dark as maybe after thirty forty feet,
I couldn't see nothing because it was so dark and
the moon was literally was hidden from that point where
the angle of the mountain was, where the trees were,
so it got really dark in there. And that was
that was one way out if we wanted to, we
could have literally followed it in that direction. We could
have got out faster if they walk in the shoreline.
But no, man, it was not going to follow that
thing anywhere, you know. And and at this point too,
I walked in the shoreline back out of there. I
didn't even care if we got caught, if somebody saw us,
I wouldn't even have cared because I just needed to.
I just wanted to get away from their fast as
I could, you know. As matter of fact, I left
when when the thing disappeared, and that's when I looked
at Troy. I kind of just slapped him in the arm,
like and I just jumped up. I didn't even sing.
I just slapped him in the arm, jumped up by
let's go. And he's like trying to gather up his stuff,
you know, and I'm just like, let's go, let's.
Speaker 1: Go, let's go. He looks at me and he goes,
I'm not even on my equipment, I go, I am.
Speaker 3: So I just literally I only I lost one pole
in the water already, So I just left the pole.
I left the crew there, and I didn't want to
have anything in my hands, so I can, you know,
if I had the fight or something, I could at
least have something. And so I just we ran and
I ran that shoreline. I tripped and fell a couple
of times, landed in the water. I got up, you know,
and we got back to the I'll tell you what,
I've never been so happy to see asphalt. And once
I saw my bike and I knew that, okay, good.
I got my bike and I know the road's right there,
so I'm safe.
Speaker 1: I'm cool. We're out of here. We did it, man,
We're out of here.
Speaker 3: And then all the way back, all we can we
kept people kept talking to He said, we we had
a four mile ride back, you know, and it's it's earlier,
the sun's about to come up in a little bit,
and all we talked about was you know what, what
what was that? What do you think that was? And
he goes, what if it's probably somebody pranking us? Bro,
I go, think about this. We're on the other side
of a reservoir that we're not supposed to be at,
not supposed to fish at.
Speaker 1: Nobody.
Speaker 3: There's nothing over There's not a single house, not a building,
not a road, nothing except the utility road that goes
way up the side of the mountain. He goes off
to the other end of the dam, and there's no
reason for anybody to be out there at that time
of night, wearing some kind of suit to prank us,
you know, thinking that and hope that some two guys
are gonna pop out there and go fishing when they're
not supposed to be get there in the first place,
you know. So, and that's when it when I when
I said it to him like that, that's when it dawned
on him too. He's like, yeah, that's true. All I go, Yeah,
it's true, road's going to be out there pranking. Ain't
nobody pranking out there, you know, And he's like yeah, so,
And that's that's when the gravity of is. We're riding home,
we're talking about it, and I looked at him and
I said, I'll tell you right now, I'm not telling
a soul and he goes, I'm not either. I go,
so the packed on, we're making a pack right now. Okay,
so that way our stories match, right, He goes, I'm
not don't know them, bro. I go, you're not gonna
tell you dad. He goes, Dude, my dad's already mad
at me for going up there, going up here anyway.
If I told him this, you see, it serves you right,
you know. So that's what we just didn't tell anybody.
I mean There's been many times over the years too,
when after that happened my dad, you know something, the
subject is something like that would come up, and I
wanted so bad to say something, you know, and just
but I thought, man, it's gonna open up a whole
can of worm. That's gonna open up a whole story
that I'm gonna have to tell everybody else.
Speaker 1: So I thought, no, I better not.
Speaker 3: So that's how it always would end, you know, And
for years until just not too long ago, when I
saw these dog man things, and I told the buddy
of mine, I said, Man, this is too crazy, bro,
because this is what I seen. This, This, this creature
right here is what exactly what's exactly like what I saw.
And so basically what this is telling me, bro, that
there really are werewolves. Man, there really are dog people
in the woods. And he's like, and he was a skeptic.
He's going and I go, just because you didn't see it,
you know, my buddy, I'm talking you guys said it's
because you didn't see it, you go ahead and not believe.
Let me tell you something. You know, me, Bro, I
wouldn't lie about something like this. I look me in
the eye I'm telling you right now, When you see
this thing, it changes everything, bro, because everything you learned
in school is both you know, it's crap and everything
that they try to teach you, and that this stuff
doesn't exist. It's all fairy tale, is a lie, Bro,
There's truth in this somewhere, because where do they even
get the ideas of this stuff in the first place?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's something I've thought about quite a few times.
When they write books and especially when they make these movies,
it seems like they're just spot on with way too
many things. It's almost like Hollywood does know something. They
don't reveal it, but it definitely seems like they know
something a lot more than what they let on. Mike,
he gave us some good details. But is there anything
else you can tell something of how it looked?
Speaker 3: Well, like I said, it was really really dark, and
I couldn't I couldn't see it like in vivid technicolor,
like that would be awesome, you know, But then again,
I don't know if it would have been awesome at
that time, you know. But the thing is I I
saw it, it looked it was tall, and I never
saw it. It never went on all fours, so to speak.
It crouched down low, but it never I never saw
it like walk on all fours. But I literally saw
it on two feet walking and I can hear it
the footfalls, and you know, and it didn't it didn't
sound any heavier than like a normal person walking. It
didn't sound like I was, you know, like a sasquatch,
you know. That's that was His footballs are completely different
than this.
Speaker 1: This thing was like soft footfalls.
Speaker 3: But I can hear the crunch and crunch of the
leaves and the and the twigs underneath it, you know.
And it was like it was a rhythmic like one
two then a stop, and then it was like a
real slow one two then stop. And so it took
it took a couple of minutes for it to you know,
go just a short distance, and the whole time sniffing
the air like it was testing the air constantly trying
to figure out which direction the smell was coming from
or whatever. And I know it had to smell us
because we had, you know, I had a jar of
this catfish bait in my creel that was as stinky
as can big, you know, and I was like they're
gonna smell us for sure, And I remember rolling that
into the water. I just rolled it into the water
just so that way it would that wouldn't be a factor.
I don't want I'm smelling that and zeroing right in
on us because that stuff stunk so bad, you know.
So when it walked away, I can just tell that
it was this. It was dark body, it shoulders.
Speaker 1: It was weird. Is that has real narrow hips, had
really narrow hips. You know.
Speaker 3: I couldn't see its legs feet sort of speak, you know.
I know that his knees didn't bend forward like our
knees bend forward, because they looked like he had knees
that were out backwards. But the whole thing is I
couldn't really see him that close because it was a
jumble of darkness right there. But I could see that
it was walking on to two just in legs, you
know what I mean, And its arms didn't really didn't
really see it swinging its arms or anything like that
because it was too dark really to see that.
Speaker 1: But you know, but I see that it's fur.
Speaker 3: It had a lot of dow or something on its
fur and stuff, because I remember it was glistening at
times from that little bit of moonlight would come to
the tree, I see a glisten on it, you know
what I mean, and I'm like wow, you know, And
at a time I probably didn't really, you know, realize.
Speaker 1: What it was.
Speaker 3: But as I got older and thought about it, you know,
it had to be dow or some sort of moisture
that was on is because it all the branches of
you know, in summertime at night time, man, and it
was really dewey after a certain period of.
Speaker 1: Time, you know. And I don't know if that was
what it was on its fur or hair was just shiny.
Speaker 3: I don't know, but there was times where they kind
of gleaned a little bit, you know, And and I
know what it got me too, there's like dreadlocks. The
fight around the face, Like the hair right around the
face part from what I could see, looked real thick
and like like clump. It hung down and like clumps
kind of looked like to me, like like dreadlocks. That
was That was really about all I could see. You know,
I didn't really it didn't really I mean, opened his mouth,
you know, when it was sniffing, you know, but I
can't really see because it.
Speaker 1: Was so dark, but I can see that. I definitely
saw that there was white teeth there.
Speaker 3: I can see the teeth, but I couldn't see distinctly
what you know, fangs or anything like that. I can
just see that you had a set of dentures up there.
And and the sniffing was what I really got me.
It was just the weird It was making this huffing
sound like it was like either trying to wind us
or it was trying to warn us of something, or
like it was some sort of warning or something, but
it was It wasn't natural sounding to me.
Speaker 1: It was more of weird, weird sound, you know.
Speaker 3: And I've never heard that sound before anywhere in the woods,
like with any animal or anything.
Speaker 1: So I don't know where it was coming from, you know,
except for that.
Speaker 3: And but once it caught our scent, I noticed that
it didn't come down all the way to us. So
you were telling me, which made me feel a lot better.
And I understood this that he did have killed us
if we wanted to, and he literally could came right
down to us, but you didn't. You kind of veered
to the left, down to the creek. So that makes
me totally believe exactly what you were saying that, you know,
he left us alone by choice, but he definitely scared
us enough to make us not want to go back
in there again, you know. But I did go back
in there again, you know, not through a couple days
later to try to get my fishing poles and stuff.
And I got I got my creol everything, my other tap,
my other fishing pole was gone, but one of them
was in the water, and then the other one I
left there wasn't there when I went back, but my
career was, you know, with my lures and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: I went back in the daytime, and it's.
Speaker 3: A whole different, whole different place in the daytime, man,
let me tell you. And it really scared me even
more actually because it allowed me to see how close
that thing really would have been where it was for,
you know, and according to the noise that I was hearing,
you know. And then and I was able to see
the creek where it turned and walked and realized how
close he really was. But in the dark, it looked
like there was some distance between us, but it wasn't.
Speaker 1: Man, he was really close, you know.
Speaker 3: And and and the scene that in the daylight was
like really really that was eye opening right there, you know.
And I didn't care at that point. I went back
in the daytime, and if anybody would have saw me,
I would you know, I didn't care. I would have
told me about what would have happened, you know, And
it's I'm just here to see if I can find
some of my stuff, because I I didn't care. I
figured if I got COPT for fishing in there or whatever,
that's the least to my worries, you know, compared to
running and something like that.
Speaker 1: So and that that was. That was that.
Speaker 3: And then for years I kept it, kept it, you know,
to myself, and didn't really think of it much except
when I was going out go heading out to the woods.
Speaker 1: They're going to go do something like that.
Speaker 3: And then years later, you know, I ended up having
another end ofcounter with something I didn't expect either, you know,
and and and I thought to myself that this is crazy, man,
this is absolutely insane. I go, how has this happened?
Is there is it me? Is it something about me
that am I supposed to see these things? I don't
know because I'm not searching for them. I'm not definitely
not going out there with the intention of looking for
them at all. That it's not never been my attention,
you know. I see those shows all time that go
out you know, I want to look. Now, it's never
my intention because I think these are beings that why
mess with them?
Speaker 1: Man? You know, it's one thing.
Speaker 3: It's one thing if they're out there and they do exist,
But it's another thing to go out there and search
for them and harass them or whatever, and especially if
there are these vicious.
Speaker 1: Killers, you know whatever.
Speaker 3: Why would anybody want to do that? So that's how
that's my take on it.
Speaker 2: I got to give it to you, Mike. You must
have been awfully serious about fishing to go back the
next a day or two after that and get your gear.
You were really into fishing if you did that. But
you said that in the d light, you're able to
get a much better idea how close it was to
you and Troy? How close was it to you too?
Speaker 3: Twenty feet thirty feet maybe at least that, No, no
more than that, though, I mean it was right there
right there, And that told me how big it was,
because I mean I thought it was far their way,
you know, I thought I definitely thought it was far
the way according to what I was my memory from
the night, you know, and when I once I was
there in the daytime, I'm standing right there on that bank,
and i can see my footprints right there in the
mud still, you know what I mean. And I'm going, wow, man,
and that is right there. I go, geez, that's crazy.
That thing could have thrown a rock at us and
killed us, you know what I mean. I just like
how and so he must have been crouching down, because
that's what when I saw.
Speaker 1: I literally saw him like rising up. Well that's how
I first saw.
Speaker 3: The first time I even saw it was when it
was actually like slowly rising up, and I seen this
head with two points, you know, something looked like like
I said, it looked like a Batman cape costume thing
kind of like around his headpipe like thing with two
points on each side, with like points on the side
that kind of went downwards, you.
Speaker 1: Know, And I was like what, you know?
Speaker 3: And then then then you know, I do remember thinking
could that be a game warden's hat or like a
sheriff's cowboy hat? All weird to have like they had
to pinch it up like Toby Keithy's Jakins cowboy hat
pinched the sides up against you know, the head and
you know, making it looking really narrows where I thought
maybe you could that be like here thing that all
these things running through my head.
Speaker 1: But then immediately, you know, you cross the mouth. But no,
that's not it. Nope, that's not Nope, that's not it either.
Speaker 3: You know, you know, trying to you know, eliminate all
these things that possibly you think it could be.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, it would have been awfully nice if
it would have been just the sheriff for a game
word and buddy, yeah that wasn't the case.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: You were just trying to see whatever anatomical features you
could on it, but the foliage was blocking a lot
of your view. Did you ever get any time notice
if it had a tail or not?
Speaker 1: That's one thing I never noticed.
Speaker 3: I didn't notice that because yeah, and like I said,
I wasn't looking for it, you know, I mean, I
just because when it did turn, it's lower most of
the lower half was completely obscured by brush. And it
wasn't until he got down to the creek part where
the rocks were. When it was going down there that's
when it turned and it turned away from me, so
I'm looking at his back, you know way, But if
it had a tail, it.
Speaker 1: Was like hanging.
Speaker 3: It was low down between the legs area because it
was like it was really dark, and I couldn't see
anything moving or swishing your you know, swaying back and
forth things like that. I just saw this dark kind
of silhouette just like it seemed like seamlessly gliding over there.
And that was what was weird, is that there was
it was making no sound walking in the creek area
as opposed to where it was coming down the hill part.
When it was coming down the hill part, it was
all the dead brush and leaves and stuff that it
was crunching around. But then when it got down towards
the creek and the repairing area down in the habitat
reptarian habitat area, there was all it was like watering
there and you know, marshy and it went from hearing
the footfalls to actually not hearing him at all anymore.
And all he can hear was the sort of the sniffing,
the the huffing sound he was making as he kind
of went off into the brush and and like it's
weird that that sound. I you know, it was hard
to decipher whether or not that was like a part
of his daily or you know, it's it makes his
noise all the time when it's it's it's browsing or
whatever it's doing. I don't even know what you'd call
whatever it was doing. Was it hunting us? Was it
was it just meandering through the woods and we stumbled
on each other or I don't know, you know, I mean,
that's my That's always been a question in my mind,
is what was it doing.
Speaker 1: Out there, you know, around us?
Speaker 3: Did it see us and come to us, you know,
and want to and want to scare us or want
to hurt us. It didn't hurt us, obviously, but did
it did it want to or did it come our
way with that intention? Is what I you know, I
don't know, but I thought about that quite a bit,
you know what, Why was that out there at that time?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: And we didn't see any kind of any other signs
that would show that type of animal out there. I
didn't see, not that I was looking really either, but
I wasn't. I didn't see any kind of like other
like kills or dead dead carcasses of animal or any
signs of animals being tore up or struggles or anything
like that. We didn't see anything like that. And I
saw we saw a dead I remember seeing a dead
carp on the bank, you know, we walked, I remember
stepping over a big, old, giant dead carp on the side.
But that's it, you know, And so I don't know that.
That's what the question I had was just thinking, why
was it out there? And what are the chances that
it's out there all the time. If I went out
there again to fish, would I run into the scene again,
you know? And and I certainly didn't want a chance that,
you know, because that only time I'd be able to
fish out there. Anyway, if I did it, it would
be at nighttime, you know, to avoid being detected. But man, yeah,
that was never gonna happen. I promise you that that
was not gonna happen going out there at nighttime again.
I told my buddy, if everyone out there nighttime, it
would be with ten people, with everyone of us having guns.
Speaker 2: Oh, I can't blame you there, And even at that,
you'd have your head on the swivel and understandableace.
Speaker 1: Still and I still do you know?
Speaker 2: I bet you do. I understand, I do, Mike, what
would you say was the most attention grabbing anatomical feature
that it had? What feature did you pay the most
attention to?
Speaker 1: It's head? Its face and head?
Speaker 3: You know, it's got You had had big triangle ears,
big big pointed triangle ears that stood you know, up,
and they were flat looking from straight on, like a triangle,
like you're looking at two triangles side by side, you know.
Speaker 1: And the face was kind of rounded, you know.
Speaker 3: My it didn't look like like this to me, like
a stereotypical like the movies.
Speaker 1: You know, the wevers on the movies.
Speaker 3: They make them with these elongated snouts and with big
snarly teeth, you know, and it's all the wrinkles on
the on the muzzle where they are snarling all the time.
Speaker 1: There was nothing like that. It just it had like
it had a short muzzle.
Speaker 3: There was definitely a muzzle though it stuck out if
you look at its profile, like compared to a human's face,
from the nose and the lower jaw kind of jutted
forward a couple maybe an inch or two more than
a normal human face would. And it had like a point.
The nose seemed like to have a point from the side.
And I can see it, you know, the profile that
I see the silhouette, I seen the perfect, absolutely perfect.
The edge of that silhouette was perfect. I can see,
I can see its face. I see, I can see
it's atoms apples had an Adam's apple and that that's
what you know. That was the trippiest thing I've ever seen,
is that you know, with the in the dreadlocks, like
on the sides of his face. It had like hair
that looked like it was coming in like thick clumps,
maybe about as thick as a pencil, and you know,
some some spots, but it may be thicker in some others.
But it looked like it was dreads on the sides
of the face and down underneath the neck and chin area,
and and and the muzzle was like really sparse. It's
odd as I'm trying to think of them, you were
you could kind of I guess you could see. It
wasn't completely.
Speaker 1: Hairy, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: The face had more of a you can see like
skin through the hair type thing, you know, because I
can see lightness in the face, so it wasn't completely
covered with hair the face, you know what I mean,
it was, but the sides of the whiskers like that
where the sideburns were that part right there, all the
way down underneath the chin, whereas the most hair I
think on the face.
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, I bet the side of that thing is
a sight you're never going to forget. And understandably so
when it put its nose in the air and started sniffing,
I'm sure that wind direction was probably just about the
last thing on your mind. But did you notice did
you happen to notice if you were upwind or downwind
from it?
Speaker 3: I couldn't tell, because, like I said, it was it
was a warm It was a pretty much mild you
know bomby night.
Speaker 1: It wasn't. It wasn't. I remember, I had a t shirt.
It wasn't even that cold.
Speaker 3: But I remember that there was no wind because there's
no I didn't there's no trees, branches moving from the wind, nothing,
and there's no breeze. And the water the water was
like glass on the lake. I mean there was not
no not even ripple on the water. It was like
just like glass.
Speaker 1: And we hear the you know, we hear fish.
Speaker 3: You hear fish jumping out in the water, splash, you know,
then you see a big old ring ring of ripples
out there in the water. It was really really an
epic summer night, really, you know. I mean, for if
I hadn't seen that thing and we were able to
stay there and fish, I think we would have had
one heck of a night, because I mean I already
right away I had that fish on, man, and it
was a big fish. Man, it was just peeling the
line off my pole so fast I couldn't stop it
with my hand, you know, And so it would have
probably been a real, you know, fun fishing night.
Speaker 1: But man, everything changed.
Speaker 3: We weren't even there, weren't even there literally five minutes,
ten minutes at the top you know, where we got
to our location to fish, you know, and all of
a sudden, man, this happened. I was like, oh my god,
the whole night was gone after that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure it was gone. Yeah understandably. So did
you have any Chris whatsoever and wear wolves before you
had that experience?
Speaker 3: Nope, I you know, I watched, you know, I've always
watched creature features of like that, growing up as kids
watching horror movies and stuff, and the werewolf movies were
never really didn't really impress me much because like the
low chainy ones, you know, it didn't really look much
like a wolf to me. Man, it looked like one
of those that looks more like the Monkey and Wizard
of Oz, you know, and I just don't so I
never really got really into worlds. And I remember seeing
that movie the was it The Howling, and it was
that was probably where they actually that was the first
movie I've ever seen where they actually made a were
wolf look like a really wicked were wolf, you know,
where it had a long snout, looked like an actual wolf.
And this thing didn't have anywhere near the size of
snout that the movie, you know, put on those things.
But but I definitely it was weird because from the
profile when it turned sniffing and the kid was moving
its head back and forth, kind of smelling the air,
and it was looking directly our direction at first, you know,
and I couldn't see its face. I couldn't make out
the details of his face because all I saw was
the total silhouette. But then it was sniffing air and
as it turned its head, it kind of turned its head.
It was a sniffing air, and that's when I saw that.
It just gave me the prayerfect profile shot of the
side of his you know, his face and his neck
and the tops of his chest, like the shoulders, you know,
and I remember seeing striations in the shoulder muscle at
one point when it kind of lifted up his arm and.
Speaker 1: It grabbed it.
Speaker 3: Like there's like a like a vine vining type brut
branch or something like that coming off some the tree
there that I don't think it's like I think it's
like an invasive species thing that was grown there.
Speaker 1: But it was like a vine amps coming down.
Speaker 3: I remember when he lifted up its arm and he
like pulled down on this vine, and that's when I
saw the muscle. I saw his shoulders, and I saw
striations and the muscles and his shoulder, you know, And
I was like, man, I go, that's you know, is
that a bodybuilder or whatever? That's crazy. You know, all
these things you don't even you can't even rationalize in
your head. You just can't, you know. And I remember,
I don't know what Troy was thinking, you know, but
I literally was going through like a catalog in my head.
Of all the possibilities that it could be, you know,
based on what I know, what I was taught in school,
what I've seen, or you know, in life, you know,
And I couldn't come up with any anything other than
it was like a werewolf looking thing, you know, And
that's what scared me, and me and me and Troy
talked about this later on.
Speaker 1: At one point, I remember he's saying something.
Speaker 3: He goes, many, maybe next time we go fishing, we
need to carry some silver bullets with us.
Speaker 1: And I was like, for a werewolf, I go, yeah,
I think is I guess that's only and it kills
a werewolf? Right? And I'm like, I don't know, bro,
I'm not what does kill a werelf? You know? Silver bullets?
And I go, well, that means we had to carry a.
Speaker 3: Gun and you know, and he's like, yeah, well, I'm
just saying, man, that's you know that if the werewolves
are real, bro, you know, and what we saw was
a werewolf, man, maybe we should carry some silver bullets.
Speaker 2: Well, you didn't have anything to draw upon to make
you think it was anything other than a werewolf, So yes,
it's totally understandable that's what you thought they were both
extreme skeptics. You said, but did you ever down the
road tell your parents about your dog mealing counter?
Speaker 3: I remember telling my mom before she died. My dad
passed away before I could never talk to him about
anything like that. But my mom, I remember I mentioned
something that and I said something about mom.
Speaker 1: All I need to do now is see all I
need to see.
Speaker 3: Is a is an alien a space alien man, because
I've seen it all. I've seen a werewolf, and I've
seen Bigfoot, and I just need to see a space
alien man that I've seen all the imaginary things, you know.
And my mom looked at me geos, Michael, there's no
such thing as werewolves, okay?
Speaker 1: And bigfoot? Yeah right?
Speaker 3: You know I don't buy that because but and I
definitely don't buy the werewolf story.
Speaker 1: Mike. I'm like, see, that's exactly why I didn't tell everybody. Mom.
Speaker 3: And she goes, uh huh, you saw a werewolf? I said, yeah, mom,
my werewolf. She's like, yeah, well, I think, Michael, you
might have been smoking something or something like No, Mom,
I wasn't smoking nothing.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: That's that's that's all my mom would handle stuff like that,
you know.
Speaker 1: So my dad, I said, never even talk about.
Speaker 3: But my dad he he enjvied the fact that me
and my and me and Troy went up there to
go fishing because he wants He's always wanted to do
that himself.
Speaker 1: But he knows, you know.
Speaker 3: He said, but it's illegal, mikeel you caught, you're gonna
get a fine. And I said, well, it's worth the
finding me. Dad, I'm just gonna I just want to
be able to fish this lake, this monster fish in there.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna try. I'm just gonna fish on.
Speaker 3: My dad goes man, I'd love to go with you
guys man, but I have to buy by the law
of my friends, you know.
Speaker 1: So my dad, you know, he just clined to go,
you know. So that's why my dad.
Speaker 3: My dad probably would have went with us if he
knew we could get away with it, you know. But
my dad was so paranoid of doing something illegal.
Speaker 2: So well, it's kind of strange for me to say
that I'm glad your dad didn't go for obvious reasons.
But when you're dealing with someone that's that skeptical, skeptical
as he was, that's a kind of person right there,
has a really hard time coming to terms with the dog, mean,
the encounter. So I know you've had a lot of
trouble dealing with it. But your dad, having the mentality
he had, he probably would have had two three times
the amount of trouble that you had coming to terms
with it. So yeah, that's why that good years later,
like you alluded to, you had that sasquatch and counter in.
I want you to please tell us about it.
Speaker 3: Now, that one and that one, probably that one is
the most vivid. That one's what I remember that most
of it was. It was the most recent obviously that
happened to them. I still remember the date, man. It
was January the eighth, January the eight, two thousand and eight.
It was up in Sisco County, and it was it
was there was like already a foot or two but
maybe at the most three feet of snow on the
ground already in some of the you know, deeper areas.
But there had been a few storms already gone through
the area. And I was up there visiting a friend
and we were senter having you a bidet, and on
the news came on We're saying that the area was
about to experience a blizzard, snowstorm that evening was coming in.
It was going to last most of the night into
the next day, and there would be like whiteout conditions
type type blizzard.
Speaker 1: So I thought, wow, we're going to be snowed in, right.
Speaker 3: I was excited because, you know, being a California boy,
you know, it's not often I get be in the
snow and get snowed in and a lizard, you know.
And so my friend said, you might want to take
your dog out now and get all his business done,
because you're not going to want to go out there
when it's doing that.
Speaker 1: So that's what I did, and I got my dog.
Speaker 3: It was about four forty four thirty somewhere in there
in the evening and January eighth. You know, she gets
dark real early, and so the sun was really really setting.
I had maybe, you know, at the most, maybe forty
minutes of actual light at all, and so I figured
I just take the dog real quick down to the
back of the property that we were staying on, which
is just a kind of a small canyon that there's
like a little creek that goes down there is about
you know, ten foot wide creek because maybe a foot
or two deep and it went all the way down
through that canyon, and now that there was snow in
the ground, the creek had portions of it were frozen.
Speaker 1: You know, there's like maybe a half an inch of
ice on some spots.
Speaker 3: And so me and my dog, as I was walking
down there, my dog, I was kind of just enjoying
the crispare and you know what was going on, and
we're kind of jumping on the little puddles, breaking the
ice and stuff. And then at one point my dog,
my dog just literally went eight, I mean just went crazy,
just crazy, and I'm like, calm.
Speaker 1: Down, com down, just what's going on? What's going on?
Speaker 3: It was relaxed, relaxed, and she just focused in one direction.
All the hair hackles on her back and her butt
were all standing up. She was like all puffed up,
trying to be and just like being really seriously ferocious,
like there was something something there that was making her
go nuts. Right, And I'm standing there looking at the
same direction she's looking, and I don't see anything. All
I see is trees and trees and snow, and I
saw I can't see anything other than the trees in
the snow, and and my dog's still going that I
grab I got my dog by the collars. I didn't
have a leash on her because we're out in the
middle of nowhere and I just walked from behind this
house down into the property, so I didn't have to
even bring a leash. So I literally had to grab
her by the collar and hold her because she was
like just wanting to lunch forward.
Speaker 1: It that's this tree, I guess all I can see.
What is that?
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, sorry, somebody next to me letting her car
alarm go off. That's great anyway, So I see that.
All of a sudden, I noticed on the tree. I'm
looking at the only directs and the only thing in
front of him, directly in front of me is this tree,
and that's where my dog is like focused on, and
I'm looking and I'm kind of looking at and I
see like a black thing on this tree that looks
like it could be like a hand, And I was
like five for true, you know, protruding things on it,
and it looks like black hair, and I thought maybe
it's like a fungus or something growing on the tree.
So I kind of lean and it squinted a little bit,
and it was maybe twenty five feet away, and I
looked at it and I'm realizing, man, that looks like
a hand. That looks like a hairy hand. As I'm
trying to rationalize this in my head, it said hairy hand.
I see his head pop around from behind the tree
and looked right at me, and I'm like, whoa, Oh
my god, man, I swear to god, I thought I
was gonna have a heart attack.
Speaker 1: I flipped backwards.
Speaker 3: I literally flipped backwards onto the snow, landed in the
snow on my back, and I'm trying. I'm literally struggling
trying to grab my dog's back leg because my dog's
trying to rush this thing. And I grabbed my dog's
back leg and she turned around, almost like to bite me,
and she was in such a frenzy trying to get
at the thing, and I grabbed her by back, grabbed
her again and grabbed her collar and I'm laying in
the snow holding her and staring at the thing. And
it literally, it literally stepped away from the tree and
it looks but before it did that, I knewalized that
hand that was a hand connected to this thing. And
now I seen his shoulders that were literally four times
as white as that tree that I for somehow was
blind to. Looking at it the way that it was
standing there, I couldn't tell that those were shortly shoulders
of an animal.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 3: It just looked like a shadowed portion of this tree,
you know. And then all of a sudden when it
turned and I saw that those were shoulders, and I
was like, holy crap, this thing is a monster. And
then I think there's no age in North America. There's
no gorillas in North America. And my dog and so
I'm thinking, my dog is gonna get us killed.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: So I got I grabbed my dog's collar, and I'm
trying to hold her again, and she's literally just a pitfull,
so she's doing everything she can to get at this thing.
Speaker 1: And then she's so strong.
Speaker 3: I mean I was barely able to hold her, and
she was lunging so much of the thing. And so
this thing was kind of spooked about the dog, and
it kind of it stepped backwards away from the tree,
but still staring at me the whole time. And when
it stepped backwards, it kind of then it turned to
the left, and then like now it's going to it
started to move swiftly, and it dropped down into the
creek and it crunts right through the ice boom, here
the ice break, you know, and here two three or
big footfalls, and he came up on the side of
the bank. And now it was over the top of
me looking down, and all I wanted to do was
run right now. And then this thing literally made like
a most muscular pose like Arnold Torzenegger on stage when
he kind of leans forward and crunches all the muscles together,
and it made like this whoop sound that I felt
in my chest and almost I can almost say that
it made my hair move, you know that you felt
that that that the sound wave hit me. It was
so so powerful when it hit me that I swear
I thought my heart fell out of my chest.
Speaker 1: And I literally know, lie, I thought I was not going.
Speaker 3: To have a heart attack because I was trying to
I mean, what are the odds, I go, what this
is crazy. I would never expect it in a million
years at that moment to walk down and encounter this
being at all. That was not even on my radar,
you know, And so it just threw my whole date
everything into a loop. And so I'm trying to get
back to this house now at this point, and I'm
breathing so hard I think I'm going to die.
Speaker 1: And I just come to the front door.
Speaker 3: I fall into the floor and I snow all over
me and every and I'm screaming there's a big foot
out there. Oh my god, there's a big foot out there.
And the guy that knows the place he comes to
it looks at me. He is, which one do you see?
I go, we mean, which one did I see? I
saw a big foot out there, Bro, a big, big,
big foot out there, man. And he goes, well, there's
a couple of mint I go, oh, don't even go there.
And I go, you know there's big foots out there
and he goes, well, yeah, we live up here and
stare all over up here. And I'm like, you do
that and you didn't tell me that when I took
my dog down there, just reasonly. And he goes, well,
I kind of assumed you understood, Bud, you know. And
I'm like, wow, So how often do you see them
down there? And he says, oh, we see him pretty regular,
and I go, you're kidding me. I wish you would
have told me, Bro before I went down there like that.
I go, you know, and I said, you know that
I had an encounter with something way back in the day.
This is the only time, first person I told that
at that time, man, I said, And he go, this
is something, man, that don't happen to people all the time.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 3: And I really wish you'd have told me that you
see them down there, because I probably would have elected
to stay right here in the front part of the house,
you know, instead of walking down there in the woods
right before dark.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 3: And you know, he apologized and stuff, and then they
called the sheriff because I guess they report all this
all they report all these sightings out there. And so
a sheriff took the time to drive all the way
out there on the seventeen mile dirt road to get
up to this house to take this.
Speaker 1: Report, you know.
Speaker 3: And he literally said, you might you take me to
the spot. And I look, and now it's pitch dark
and snowing at this point, and he says, you.
Speaker 1: Take me to the spot.
Speaker 3: I looked everyways, and I'm not going out there without
a big, big gun. And he goes, then get one,
and I like, I don't have one, and my buddy
that lives in our cort. He goes, well, I got
a rifle you can use, and okay, so he gave
me a rifle, some bullets and a camera, and so
me and the sheriff walked back down to the spot,
you know, where where I'd seen it, and the tracks
were still there and everything that they were just starting
to get covered up now because the snow is snowing,
was just starting to snow pretty good at this point.
But so I saw them what happened everything. You still
see where it crushed through the ice, you know, and
there was god had to be eighteen inches you know
long the foot a crush through the ice, you know,
in several places. And and then you see that the
tracks disappeared as it went out more into the open
because it was snow was falling, you know, harder out there,
and so those tracks filled up pretty fast.
Speaker 1: But so the sheriff took report.
Speaker 3: And one thing I mentioned too, is that I was
able to see this thing so clear. At one point,
I was laying in the snow when my dog got
away from me the first first time, I literally had
to dive at her feet and grab her back legs
to keep this keep it from getting this going after
the sing, and when I did so, I fell face flat,
you know, in the snow. And I'm on my belly
holding my dog with my right arm holding my dog's
rear leg, and the dog is like trying to pull
so hard it's turning, trying to bite my hand because
I'm holding its leg, you know, if I didn't care,
because I knew if I let my dog go, it's
going to run right to the thing, and that thing
would probably just kill it in a second, you know.
And so I'm holding on my dog for its own life.
He doesn't even realize that, but she doesn't realize that.
But at that point, I'm just I'm just I with
this thing. I'm staring straight at it, you know, whole
time holding my dog. And that's when I noticed that
it had on it on so it would be his
right side of his face and his mouth.
Speaker 1: It's like a.
Speaker 3: Stream of like saliva or something like there was an
infection or some sort of drainage coming out of the
corner of his mouth, and it was it was stained
like the hair, the facial hair. I remember, this was
crystal clear in the snow. There was plenty of light
I could see this. I'd see every detail of this
thing absolutely perfectly clear. He had like some problem either
with a teeth, a tooth or some teeth on that
side of his mouth, or something along the lines of
an injury to the corner of his mouth whatever that
was causing some sort of infection. And like it looked
like he had like plus and drainage going down the
chin and down into along the neck area, you know.
And I remember that it would look like an older
one too, because he was kind of old looking, you know.
He had had grizzled, grizzled face that had a great gray,
great dark like salt epper face. The hair in the
face had a really human, really human like features. The
nose is not flat like an ape nose. It was
it was like a pointed almost looked like like a
ski slope nose. It was like a pointed little elf
nose almost, and high cheekbones. And and I and I can't,
I have to, I have to tell the truth. It
had a very tiny penis, a very tiny, little uncircumcised penis.
Speaker 1: It was pointed.
Speaker 3: The penis, the tip of the penis looked like a
bunch of pointed shriveled skin, and it had a big
set of testicles that hung down behind that little penis,
and it was definitely a male, you know. And and
that's when I just kind of it just blew my
mind and I'm just I'm looking at this thing, and
I can see it's genitalia, and I'm like, oh my god, this,
you know, And this thing literally as it went around
that corner. I didn't know whether or not I was,
you know, so glad to see it go, or I
just amazed that I just saw. I just actually saw
a real freaking' sasquat. I saw real, you know. I
didn't know whether it was the weirdest thing in the world, man.
But when it started to dawn on me that if
you were to grabbed me or my dog down there,
there's no way my friends would be even know if
they couldn't have hurt me from down there, they wouldn't.
They didn't need to know which direction I went, you know,
so they may not have found us for a long time,
you know, if they found us at all. So that
that was another and that one that that was like
the nail in the coffin for me. When it comes
to the woods, from that point on, Man, I am
not going out in the woods at all without a gun.
I'm not going out there for any linked to time.
I may walk out there for a second look at
the birds ors ay, and walk back. But I'll tell
you right now, if I'm going out in the woods
for any length of time, I'm carrying a big gun
or lots of people with big guns, you know, because
that I know now that there's things out there that
I can't explain and I and they're way way way
bigger than me, and they're way way way they look
way way more powerful than I am. You know, I
don't care how big my gun is. I still I
can't even imagine trying to shoot one of those. I
think that would be like yourself up for just a
really bad situation, you know. So I think it's just
best not to even be in there. Layer is let alone,
trying to go look for him. Man, that's crazy.
Speaker 2: Who could blame me for feeling that way? Having that
what's next? Mentality? I mean, first to see a dog
man when you're fourteen, Now you have this sasquatch encounter,
what's next? I can understand why you wonder that. Yeah,
I told my mom.
Speaker 3: I told my mom, man, next time, I need to
do a scene alien now and then I've seen it all,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's about right. Like I said, I can understand
you feeling that way. Well, Mike, it's about time for
us to get out of here. But before we do,
do you have any clothes in comments you'd like to
put out there for us?
Speaker 3: No, I'm just I'm just glad that you're bringing awareness,
you know, to these things out there. I've learned a
little bit, you know, I definitely have, and I appreciate
that for you know, thank you, because it helped me
a little bit to know that, yeah, that he could.
Speaker 1: Have killed me if he wanted to. He really could have.
Speaker 3: You know, I think about it, and with all intention purposes,
he could have killed me, no problemly.
Speaker 1: But he didn't. He chose not to.
Speaker 3: They let he went the other way because I know
he had to smell me, so, you know, and me
and Troy, you know, and that so that was that
was that. So now I can understand it. If if
they're going to come out and attack me, it's for
it's for a good reason, you know, It's not I've done,
must have done something, you know, So I I definitely
have a little bit of enclosure to that.
Speaker 1: That's that's I like that. Thank you.
Speaker 2: Oh you're welcome. That's why I do this. And I'm
so glad. I'm so glad you understand this now. When
we spoke for the first time, you're really shook up.
But as time has gone by, it sounds like you're
just getting a better and better grasp of what happened
and why what happened did So as long as we
can say that, then that's a great thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, you know, I'm an educated man. I mean,
I've seen a lot of things in my life and
and you know, I would like to say that yeah, no,
I've never seen a big foot or dog. Man, I've
never seen one. No, you know, I like it, but
unfortunately I can't take back what I've seen. I can't
unsee what I saw, you know, And and that and
that's something.
Speaker 1: It's weird. It's like a weird club, you know.
Speaker 3: I kind of feel like, you know, there's a lot
of people in this club now, but not a lot.
And when it comes to the grand scheme of things
in the world, you know, I mean, it's it is
a rare club, but still it is a club once
because once you're in it and things change exponentially. Man,
you know, how you think of the Woods, how you do,
what you're going to, how you plan to go into
the woods. It has for me at least, and you know,
and I've talked to people other people, you know, since
all this has happened that have been in situations like that,
and they're pretty much all the same.
Speaker 1: You know. The Woods have taken on a whole different,
you know, appearance. Now.
Speaker 3: It's not as that safe shank story we used to
you know, look at it when we were kids, man,
because that was where I used to go get away
from everybody and go hang out and hide, you know,
not have to worry about anybody.
Speaker 1: That turned into just the opposite, you know.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, And it goes without saying just I hate
the fact that the Woods lost its innocence for you.
I mean, you LEAs still love spending time out there,
that's plain to see, and for these things to happen
and take that away from you, it's just horrible. But
there's nothing you can do about it except deal with
it the best way, you know how, And as long
as you're doing that then you're on the right track.
But having said that, Mike, I want to thank you
so much for coming on and sharing the details of
that experience and also your sasquatch experience with this. I
really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: My pleasure, man, my pleasure feels good to finally be.
Speaker 3: Able to tell it, you know, because it actually feels
like a weight off my chest because I tell these
seekerts for a long time, you know, and my buddies
are all the same way. They're like, you know, why
would you just because it's something you just don't tell people.
Speaker 1: Man, that's all you know.
Speaker 2: And understandably so for the aforementioned reasons, Mike thinks again,
so much for your time and have a great night.
Well that's another one in the books. If you've had
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having said that, thanks again so much for listening to everyone.
I really appreciate it, then have a great night.