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much for joining us for another live stream episode of

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the show. I really appreciate it. In case you didn't know,

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I heard another live stream earlier this week on Wednesday night,

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and on that show I made a big announcement. That

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announcement is in the near future, I plan to launch

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another podcast. It's dog man centered, just like Dogman Encounters is,

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but this new podcast, instead of airing real life encounters

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with dog men, this is going to be a podcast

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where I'm going to create stories about dog men that

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are fictional, not real. This podcast is not going to

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be available on YouTube. It's going to be a podcast

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app only show. I will release the name of the

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podcast once I get a heck of a lot closer

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to being ready to launch it, just so you know.

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But I'll keep getting a loop on that. Once it

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is ready to go, or at least close to being

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ready to go, then I'll be sure to let you know. Also,

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on last Wednesday's show, to give you a taste for

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what to expect. Towards the end of that show, I

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aired episode one of this new podcast. So if you

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missed that episode, episode five sixty four and would like

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to check out this first episode of the new podcast.

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Like I said, that's where you can check it out

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and listen to it. All Right, without any further ado,

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let's bring tonight's guest in. Tonight's guest is Michael Scott. Mike,

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Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 1: Hey, how you doing nice for you here?

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Speaker 2: Thank you, well, it's great having you. Thank you for

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your time.

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Speaker 1: Mike.

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Speaker 2: Please give us a brief bio in yourself.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm sixty years old. I live in San Diego County,

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California right now.

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Speaker 1: I grew up in.

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Speaker 3: The Shan Francisco Bay area of most of my life,

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you know. I lived to live up there and moved

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down here probably about twenty years ago, twenty twenty five

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years ago, I guess, somewhere in there.

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Speaker 1: But and right now I'm somewhere.

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Speaker 3: I retired and I just just spend life and me

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and my dog these days, just trying to get by.

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Speaker 2: Well, sounds like a good life to me. Nothing wrong

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with that at all, Mike, you were fourteen or fifteen

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when you had your first encounter. That was the dog

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meaning the encounter we're going to talk about tonight. Then,

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unfortunately you're so traumatized by it you haven't set foot

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in the wood since without having a gun in your possession,

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and a big gun at that. What kind of gun

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do you only, Carrie?

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Speaker 3: I mean a rifle or rifle or shotgun, you know,

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thirty odd stakes.

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Speaker 1: My favorite hunting rifle is my thirty od sticks.

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Speaker 3: I've had that forever, you know, and I have, you know,

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bird a shotgun which I carry sometimes you know, with

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slugs whatever or double a buck shot, but most of

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time it's a rifle. I prefer the power and the

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accuracy of a high power rifle.

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Speaker 2: When you do that. How much faith do you have

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in that rifle or shotgun to protect you if you

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do have another dog meaning encounter.

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Speaker 3: I don't, to be honest with you, I don't know.

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If I I'd probably be shaking. I don't know if

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I could actually put the crosshairs on the thing, man,

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because I'd be I'd be so scared. I mean, I'm

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shaking shaking, you know, I mean because I mean, because

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to see the thing. It's one thing to talk about it.

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that you thought was only in you know, and make

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believe it in movies, is just it's surreal. I mean,

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I can't even explain it. You don't even so many

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thoughts run through your head. But I believe and I

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can understand why a lot of pictures don't get taken

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into these things, or any bigfoot or whatever is because

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when it usually it's a surprise thing.

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Speaker 1: When it happens, you know, you're not You're not. I didn't.

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Speaker 3: I certainly wasn't expecting that at all, you know what

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I mean, And it just literally put a whole new

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uh angle to the game, you know what I mean

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out there that night, you know what I mean, It's

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like it took my whole interest of fishing away. You know,

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it's gone, you know, and now like the only cause

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Shane on what was going on out in the bushes.

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that you normally don't see. I mean, this is an

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animal that supposedly didn't exist, you know, there's such thing.

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such thing as werewolves or anything of the such, you know.

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of my life, you know, And I never told anybody

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because I was scared of he call me an idiot,

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a kook, you know. And so my I just rational

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were wolves are real. And then as I got older

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some truth to them, you know, and so I thought, well,

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maybe there's some truths of this thing too, Maybe there

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are maybe there really are werewolves. And so that's how

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a sudden, this dog man phenomen i started coming around,

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and I was like dog man and then I started

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that's exactly what I saw, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: And I go, that's that's what they're called.

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for me, you know. But I just and I kind of,

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like I said, I saw when I was so young

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that I just put it off. And only time I'd

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actually really think about it is if I was going

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into the woods to go camping and fishing or hunting

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or something like that, or I was or were at

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a party with friends and the bigfoot of Cryptis came

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up somehow, you know whatever. But I still wouldn't even mention.

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I'd want to say nothing, you know, because how do

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you how do you rationalize that to somebody, you know,

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like like myself, he has grown up all their lives,

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you know, being told that no such things exists, and

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you're at a party with all your peers, you know,

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at that crucial time in your life man and your teens,

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you know. And also you tell a story like that

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and people just look at you like what you know?

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ever been able to hold my whole life for so long.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's an easy secret to keep because yeah, like

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and friends in most cases are going to laugh at you.

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we've already established, it was so traumatic that you gave

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tells me a lot right there. If it traumatized you

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so much that you refuse to go out and do

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any more fishing, that's that's just horrible, it really is.

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Speaker 1: Or at least not without a gun?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I would go and go fishing, but it

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would have to be a pretty much plan trip in

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an area that I was familiar with, and I made

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sure that I went armed, you know.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure you did. Would you say that that

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encounter stole the rest of your childhood or was that

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not the case?

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Speaker 3: Many of these stole my childhood because I'm pretty I'm

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I'm pretty happy to go luck. Yeah, I do a

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lot of things, and I'm interested in a lot of things,

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and so I jump around in all over life, you know,

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and and I try not to let anything get me down.

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you know. I mean, it's like a lesson learned type thing,

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you know what I mean. You know, I don't have

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to be taught twice, you know, I mean, I from

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that point on, I knew that there was something out

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there that I couldn't explain, that I'd have no answer for.

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an answer for it, and neither my parents certainly didn't,

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you know what I mean, And so I knew better

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to even try to approach you with them because my

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parents were such skeptics anyway about anything, you know, And

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and I was too, you know. I mean, like I said,

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criticize all, you know, big foot shows and like you know,

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and so I was in the same way. I assume

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the same you know, attitude toward it, you know. But

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like I said, it all changes once you see something

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with your own eyes, and you know what you saw,

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you know, And nobody can sit there and tell me

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what I didn't see or didn't see. I know what

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life when I saw the big football. I'll tell you what.

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thing in the dark, but I still saw this thing,

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and this thing was still present.

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Speaker 1: I can hear it. I could. I mean, I'm watching it.

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to the breathing, the way that it huffed and huffed

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sniffing the air. It was just freaking me out because

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the noise I never heard anything like that. It sound

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the lung power. That was just like like just the

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huffs that he made like it was so weird. I

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can't describe it, you know, And and that's what that's

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what was really shaming then. You know, at the time,

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Speaker 1: When I was fourteen.

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that anywhere near that part of sam Mateo County where

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a lot of country, a lot of land and trees

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out there. I've never heard any reports. You know or

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at least you know, public reports of bigfoot or anything

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like that out there and so or any kind of

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cryptid and so to me, when when I first heard

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the footfalls coming towards me, I can tell it was bipedal,

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you know, But you know, I had to really I

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was questioning that, you know, I kept thinking, what the heck?

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game board. It's got to be the game boarder or

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share somebody must have saw a sneak in here, you know,

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I started getting scared, thinking, oh, we're in trouble, we're

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gonna get caught, and so literally freezing. But then it

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not a human being, it's not a sheriff, it's not

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a gameboard at all. And at that point, I'm almost

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wished you would have been a gameboard. Really, to be honest.

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Speaker 2: With you, Well, I can understand why. Yeah, that's just horrible. Unfortunately,

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that encounter was so bad you sought professional help in

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hopes of finally being able to come to terms with

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that experience. How'd that go for.

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Speaker 3: You, okay, like I said, but I still had I

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still had the feeling that my the doctor here, that

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he he took it with a grain of salt. You know,

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he didn't really I don't think he really believed me.

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Speaker 1: He said, you know, it's experience. You know, different experiences.

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Speaker 3: You know, you have different experiences, and sometimes trauma caused it,

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Speaker 3: Be caused as you know, childhood trauma and stuff like that.

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And I'm like, no, I know what I saw. I'm

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not I'm not stupid. I know what I saw, you know,

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and I and I've never seen anything like that before

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in my life, and I ever seen anything after that

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except on in videos now, okay, but I've never seen

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that in my life. And nobody's ever told me in

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school or in you know, among my peers or my

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parents fam. Nobody's ever told me and showed me, Hey,

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this thing exists out here in the woods. So if

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you're out here playing or doing your thing, you better

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watch out be careful, you know, And had had they

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told me that, I probably would have never been and

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I would probably never went in the woods, you know,

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because I lived in areas where there was a lot

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so woods nearby. Me and my brother were very, very adventurous,

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and that was that was our playground, you know. And

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so to me, man to have that, to know that

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there's something out there that I don't know where, when

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and how to pop up any time, like a rattlesninak,

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to me is almost like the feeling, you know what

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I mean, I can get bid anytime, you know, depending

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on where I'm walking. So I really get started paying attention,

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you know. And and there was times, you know, periods

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of my life as I went through days of my

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life where I kind of forgot all about it, you know,

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I wasn't even thinking about it. But then all of

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a sudden, I you know, I'd hook up with a

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friend that all of a sudden was into hunting or

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fishing or you know, backpacking or kayaking or something outdoors,

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and we'd end up, you know, planning a trip or

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some sort. And then that's when I would ooh, that's

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a whole nother that's like a whole other curve ball

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that's in the equation I have to count for, you know,

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to me, you know, And so that that was really weird.

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And I didn't know if that was just me, you know,

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being paranoid or what. And so, you know, while I

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was I sought help from a psychilogist, you know, and

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as I did, you know, I was trying to am

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I how do I cope with something like that? Because

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everywhere around me is the woods, you know, and I'm

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not afraid of the dark. I mean, I used to

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be able to walk right through the woods and in

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the pitch dark, no problem, not a problem in the world,

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nothing scared me. And now I can they'll do that.

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But every here on the back of my neck is

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standing up at the same time. And I am hyper

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aware of every sound, any kind of movement, anything like that,

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and I will literally stop dead in my tracks and

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not move a minute, not moving inch until I can

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decipher to figure out what that sound was, you know.

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And that's and and that that bothers me because there's

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been times I had to get somewhere, you know, and

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hiking or move or walking in the in the outside

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and I and I'd be stopping every five, you know,

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ten thirty seconds.

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Speaker 1: Man to look around like what the heck? Like what

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was that?

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Speaker 3: And I go dance, Stop it, man, you're getting carried away.

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Might just walk, just walk, you know, And and and

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that's I started going through that.

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Speaker 1: Most of my life.

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Speaker 3: I have these little moments where I get kind of

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carried away. I daydream about it, and all of a

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sudden it would be like whoa, you know, and then

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then the reality when it when the ad reality of

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it all comes back to you. I mean, it really

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actually drives me. I get like a drop in my heart,

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you know. I mean, it's just weird. It's a weird sization.

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It's something you can't describe until you actually experience it.

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I guess you know, I was a skeptic.

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Speaker 1: I would have never.

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Speaker 3: I would have never a million years somebody would have

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told me that these animals, these beings existed. I would

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have looked like my mom used to tell me, stop

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being stupid. You know, you're being ridiculous. There's no such

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thing as were well, there's no such thing as dogs

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with two lay running around two legs. Michael let A

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seven ft talls. It doesn't happen. Michael lives are always

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in the movies. You watch too many movies.

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Speaker 2: Well, you never had any reason to believe they were

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out there, so no one could fault you for that.

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I just hate the fact that yeah found out that

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they are. That's just not good at all.

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Speaker 3: Well, when I was in when I was in boy

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Scouts you know, cutsouts with wit scouts or anything that

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I've never heard any mention of anything like that, you know.

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But then we talked about what predators are out there,

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the apex predators you know, you know, bears and mountain

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lions and wulls and stuff like that. You know, which

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is you know that are you know that live here

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in North America? You know, And not once did they

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bring up Well, but you know, I know that there

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hasn't been proven that possibility. There could be possibilities these

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these beings out here. We don't we haven't really identified

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them all yet. But but there's a possibility out here.

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That would have been to me better than not being

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said anything at all, you know, and knowing that that

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they're out there and letting people just go out there

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and to be scared to death or whatever. And like

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I said, when I talked to you before, you were

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saying that considered, you know, if that if he wanted

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to eat me or kill me whatever, he could have

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easily done that.

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Speaker 1: And I agree with you.

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Speaker 3: I feel there's no way he I could have survived

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any kind of encounter that thing, you know. And so

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by him walking away and me allowing me to walk away,

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that was his choice that he allowed me to walk away.

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So and that gave me some relief. And you know

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when you told me that, I actually thought about that

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quite a bit, you know, and that, you know, and

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that made me feel a lot better, you know, because

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that whole time, I'm I was laying on that that wet,

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wet bank of that lake right there, man, on that reservoir,

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soaking wet, literally just shaken, thinking, man, I can't this thing,

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can't see this man, I got it. And I'm telling

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my buddy to shut it, just keep quiet, don't even

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open your mouth for nothing. This things right there, you know,

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And I remember just praying that that thing would just

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get far enough away where I could jump up and run.

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Speaker 1: That's all I want to do. You know.

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Speaker 3: That fight or flight was just kicking in so hard, man,

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And I'm like, but I knew if I jumped up

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and run. I figured I figured that prey response or

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something he would chase and that would be it. And

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so I wanted to make sure there was a good

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distance between us before I did get up and run,

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And if I literally had to, I was ready to

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jump into the reservoir.

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Speaker 1: You know, I didn't care.

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Speaker 3: But that was that was really really at that one point,

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I'm just trying to think, how am I going to

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get out of here? You know, That's all I wanted

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to do. And it was weird because I kind of

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went into a tunnel visions. I wasn't even thinking about

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my buddy or how he was going to get out

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of there, how we were going to gether. I thought

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about how am I going to get out of here

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right now? That's how terrified I was.

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Speaker 2: You know, well, yeah, you can't be faulted for that.

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I mean, when things go sideways like that, you just

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revert and you just just every man for himself. That's understandable.

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Well what do you think, Mike, there's no rush, But

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are you ready to tell us the whole story about

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what happened? Which one about the dog men the encounter?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's pretty much. Yeah, I can tell you

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the whole the whole thing from start to finish.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, tell us the whole thing from start to finish.

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And if we need to take any breaks, we can.

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So if that does come to be, if you do

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need to take any breaks, and just let me know

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and we will.

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Speaker 3: Well, like I said, I gave you you know, some

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some about it, you know, briefly there. But that night,

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me and my buddy Troy, we were average abat fishermen.

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Speaker 1: Man. We were.

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Speaker 3: We were so into fishing that it was irritating the

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hell out of my dad. My dad used to drive

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I used to drive him nuts. I told him I

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was gonna be a pro bass fisherman in all us

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and he was like, yeah, Michael, another pipe dreaming, right

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for sure? How I really yeah, right, you know, never

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never taking me seriously, but you know whatever. And so

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I used to try to fish every chance I got.

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Man and my grandpa just take me fishing any chance

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that you know, he had time to do so. But

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then there was also we lived next to this reservoir.

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I lived in San Mateo County at the time. I

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lived in a city called San Carlos right next to Belmont,

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Redwood City and The reservoir was Crystal Springs Reservoir, and

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it's a drinking water reservoir. For the water comes from

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Heatshatchy supply over in the Yosemite Valley and it comes

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back over to the Crystal Springs via an aqueduct pipe

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basically that pumps it all the way there, and then

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it goes through a water temple, the pulgas water temple.

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Speaker 1: Then it goes out into the reservoir.

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Speaker 3: And that's right exactly right on top of the San

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Andreas Fault, so they haven't found the bottom in some

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parts of this reservoir. It's that deep and it's crystal

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clear water. Crystal clear water. I mean, it's just beautiful, beautiful,

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and you can see down and you see the fish

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in this thing. It's just out of this world. I mean,

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to a fisherman, it's like a dream. It's paradise for

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a fishermen. They're huge rainbow trout, huge brown trout, huge bass.

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I was told there's even sturgeon in there, two big

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sturgeon down at the bottom, but I've never caught or

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seen a sturgeon there. But I've seen I've caught bass

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and rainbow trout and I've caught a brown trout there.

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But the thing is, you're not supposed to fish there.

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It's a it's a drinking water reservoir that's highly highly guarded,

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highly protected, and there's a huge, huge fence that runs

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the entire perimeter of this reservoir on all sides. And

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if I was standing up, I was looking at the

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reservoir looking west from where I Where where we approached

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it from was on Highway ninety two, which is only

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the road that goes over to.

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Speaker 1: Hafloon Bay from Sant Carlos Belmont.

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Speaker 3: That part of the peninsula, it's like back in the day,

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used to be just a two two lane road that

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goes over the mountain down.

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Speaker 1: To the other side of the coast.

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Speaker 3: Well, during the earthquakes, is the lower period of quake,

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that part of the road separated like forty feet, you know,

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and so the road was closed for a long time.

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Speaker 1: And so right before right after they've just opened it again.

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Speaker 3: When they finally put all together, there was it was

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in a whole different area that it took away the

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area that we were able to sneak in from, you know,

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so we had to find another spot. But anyway, the

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night that we went. We decided that we were going

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to go at midnight, you know, because we didn't want

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to be seen. Can't be seen going in there, obviously,

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because it's protected, and we've always had fantasies about fishing there.

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I had a neighborho the next that's me, that worked

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for the water department and used to tell me about

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the size of the fish that we're in there and everything.

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And so we planned to do what kids do man

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sneak in there and fish one night and we rode

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our bikes from our house.

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Speaker 1: It was about four four miles or so, and I

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had two fishing poles.

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Speaker 3: My buddy had two fishing poles, and we had a

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couple of small I had a small fishing careel type

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thing that had you know a little bit of tackling

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bait and stuff in it. And we had some sodas

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and a couple of sandwiches and just t shirts magis.

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It was a summer night and we rode down there

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and there's a hole in the fence already down there,

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down on the corner where Highway ninety two comes along

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the fence along that part of the fence, and that's

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the southern end of the reservoir right there of the

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of the Northern reserorot it's the southern end of the

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northern part of the reservoir. And so when we got

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to the fence, we went through the hole and then

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we took our bikes around or another about one hundred

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yards into the brush in there, and then we ditched

474
00:22:11,519 --> 00:22:14,240
our bikes in the brush and it couldn't be seen.

475
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,039
There's nobod knew, nobody's gonna touch them these. You know,

476
00:22:16,079 --> 00:22:17,640
we're in the middle of nowhere with in a place

477
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,599
we're not really supposed to be. So, but the only

478
00:22:20,599 --> 00:22:22,559
way we were going to fish on that lake is

479
00:22:22,599 --> 00:22:24,440
to get down to the water's edge and walk the

480
00:22:24,519 --> 00:22:28,519
hole water line all the way into this inlet that

481
00:22:28,559 --> 00:22:32,880
would be on the east the western side of the lake,

482
00:22:33,319 --> 00:22:37,079
and the inlet would go in about maybe maybe three

483
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,599
quarters of a mile maybe not now half a mile,

484
00:22:39,599 --> 00:22:41,559
maybe almost. It goes in quite a ways and it

485
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:45,559
curves back, and as it curves back, it literally you

486
00:22:45,599 --> 00:22:47,480
can't be seen from the main body of the lake,

487
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:49,839
which is what we needed to where we needed to

488
00:22:49,839 --> 00:22:52,720
be because on that other side of it there was

489
00:22:52,759 --> 00:22:55,119
a hiking trail, not that there be anybody on at

490
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,480
that time of night. But there's also a highway right

491
00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,720
alongside it as well as the freeway as well as

492
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:01,759
a look out like of just the point type thing,

493
00:23:01,759 --> 00:23:03,839
and so there technically could be people there that could

494
00:23:03,839 --> 00:23:05,799
see us. So we decided, you know, make sure that

495
00:23:05,799 --> 00:23:07,599
we go way back in that coast so we can't

496
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:09,680
be seen, you know, that way, we can none of

497
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,039
our lights or anything like that could be seen. Well,

498
00:23:12,279 --> 00:23:13,759
it took us a minute to get back there, and

499
00:23:13,799 --> 00:23:15,400
we had to walk go through the poison oak and

500
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,960
all this stuff and trees whatever it was to get

501
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:19,599
down to the water's edge, and there's no trail, so

502
00:23:19,599 --> 00:23:21,920
we had to literally blazer on trail to this stuff

503
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,799
and got down to the water, followed that edge, got

504
00:23:24,799 --> 00:23:26,039
all the way into the end of where we wanted

505
00:23:26,079 --> 00:23:28,119
to go, and we started setting up our poles. Once

506
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,200
we got this spot, we're in a fish and we

507
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,000
had about three quarters of a full moon, maybe not

508
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,640
quite full, but enough light that I can see, but

509
00:23:36,799 --> 00:23:38,720
it was very dim and at a certain point that

510
00:23:38,759 --> 00:23:40,640
the moon had gone behind the trees and it was

511
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:42,240
certainly dark at that point.

512
00:23:42,279 --> 00:23:46,640
Speaker 1: But so what I started putting my first pole.

513
00:23:46,519 --> 00:23:48,200
Speaker 3: Together, got it set up, and I casted it out

514
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,079
and got it set in the water, and I set

515
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:51,920
my drag, you know, and got everything set up. And

516
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,200
now that poles just a waiting game. So I was

517
00:23:54,279 --> 00:23:56,680
starting to work on setting up my second pole and

518
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:58,880
that and my buddy Troy was doing the same, and

519
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,000
all of a sudden I heard to I mean I

520
00:24:01,039 --> 00:24:05,440
heard a snap. Something broke a branch that was huge.

521
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,119
I mean it sounded like like a tree snap, you know.

522
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:09,799
And there was no wind. I mean, this is a

523
00:24:09,799 --> 00:24:11,319
summer night. It was still as gonna be. All you

524
00:24:11,319 --> 00:24:15,160
can hear is crickets and frogs everywhere. And so I'm

525
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:16,799
was like, wow, that was I looked at my buddy

526
00:24:16,799 --> 00:24:19,079
and he's kind of looked at me like I was big,

527
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:20,960
And I go, what could have what could I what

528
00:24:21,039 --> 00:24:21,319
could that?

529
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:21,599
Speaker 1: Man?

530
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 3: You know, a tree branch of some sort, But why

531
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,160
would it well, I mean trees do fall in the woods.

532
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:27,839
So that's that kind of brushed off left it at that,

533
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,200
And so I'm putting my pole together, and all of

534
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,000
a sudden I started hearing a like a sniffing sound,

535
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,400
like like a dog sniffs when he's like sniffing the ground,

536
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,000
you know, looking for something, and he's like, you know

537
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,400
that hiss his this now, and I was like, I

538
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,079
looked at my buddy again, and he kind of looked.

539
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:43,640
Speaker 1: At me and he goes.

540
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,519
Speaker 3: I go, oh, and I think maybe a coyote or something.

541
00:24:46,559 --> 00:24:48,160
You know, that's my first thought. It's a coyote or

542
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,440
something like that. But you know, then I thought again, well,

543
00:24:51,519 --> 00:24:53,039
you know, they don't get close to humans like that.

544
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,000
And they surely got to know we're here where we've

545
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:56,680
been talking. You know, we walked in and they can

546
00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:00,200
smell us, I'm sure. But this thing kept walking towards us,

547
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,519
and I'm thinking, man, it's by peedle. That's only on

548
00:25:02,559 --> 00:25:06,319
two not only are two footfalls, you know, And I'm

549
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,400
and I'm at this point, I'm dead silent. I'm not

550
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,880
even moving a muscle. I'm just standard holding my one

551
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:13,440
my fishing line in my one hand and my pole

552
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,079
on the other hole my hand, and I'm looking into

553
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:19,279
the dark, dark tangle of brush above us, and it's

554
00:25:19,279 --> 00:25:22,759
maybe twenty thirty feet kind of like a sliding bankment

555
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,680
behind us that comes off the water's edge, and then

556
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:29,160
it just goes into these big open redwood trees with

557
00:25:29,519 --> 00:25:32,119
just saparol brush all through it. It's really really dense,

558
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,400
but there's pockets of open space, you know, where you

559
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,799
can see and if you're at the lower enough angle

560
00:25:36,839 --> 00:25:39,319
where you can actually see like the blue sky through

561
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,640
the trees, that silhouette the tree is really perfect.

562
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:42,920
Speaker 1: Right.

563
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,759
Speaker 3: Well, I heard the footfalls coming toward us and there

564
00:25:46,799 --> 00:25:50,400
by Peele, and at one point the sniffing got so

565
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:55,240
you know, with the I mean it was just intense.

566
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,160
The sniffing was like like it seemed like it was

567
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,480
right there. And I'm thinking to myself, what could be

568
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,039
sniffing that hard? I mean that that make that loud.

569
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,160
And I've heard deer. I've heard bucks before when they

570
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:05,920
when they snort, you know, and they make that that

571
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,559
hoof sound real when they're when they're they're in the rut,

572
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:08,799
you know.

573
00:26:08,839 --> 00:26:10,519
Speaker 1: But I thought, well, maybe it could be.

574
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 3: It could be you know, but all I'm run, all

575
00:26:14,039 --> 00:26:15,720
things run through my mind, right and then I'm thinking,

576
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:16,920
oh shit, it's probably a game.

577
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,559
Speaker 1: Moore than Oh my god, I looked at through head

578
00:26:19,559 --> 00:26:20,680
and I say it's probably the game.

579
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 3: He goes, he goes, somebody probably saw us, and he's like, oh,

580
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,440
so now we're like oh man. So we drouched down

581
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,799
and we're sitting here all quiet just now, both us

582
00:26:28,799 --> 00:26:31,400
are dead quiet, not saying nothing, just staring up at

583
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,039
that up to where the sound's coming from. And then

584
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:38,079
literally right at that moment my pole, a fish bites

585
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,319
my line that I had already set in the water,

586
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:44,240
and I hear my drag started peeling off, and it

587
00:26:44,279 --> 00:26:45,400
was it was getting loud.

588
00:26:45,319 --> 00:26:46,759
Speaker 1: Was so loud, and I'm like, oh my god.

589
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,079
Speaker 3: So I was like trying to dive on my pole

590
00:26:49,279 --> 00:26:51,960
at the same way, doing it discreetly without making too

591
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,279
much noise or you know, ruckus. I tried to grab

592
00:26:54,279 --> 00:26:56,440
my pole to shut the shut the drag off they

593
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,559
make that and stop the noise. And it was literally

594
00:26:59,559 --> 00:27:03,039
burning my finger. It was a big fish, and unfortunately

595
00:27:03,079 --> 00:27:06,200
I lost the fish hand my pole. It was burning

596
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,000
my fingers and I couldn't stop it. I couldn't stop

597
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,119
it with my fingers, and I couldn't tighten the drag enough,

598
00:27:10,319 --> 00:27:12,200
you know, And so it literally just it took all

599
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,319
the line right off the pole, and the pole gone

600
00:27:14,319 --> 00:27:17,920
into the water, was gone, and.

601
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:18,559
Speaker 1: And I didn't know what to do. And at that

602
00:27:18,599 --> 00:27:19,759
point this thing started.

603
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 3: It tried it it like took two steps, crunch crunched

604
00:27:22,519 --> 00:27:25,960
down to like a lower another landing, which made him

605
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,839
like twenty feet above us. And man, that's when I

606
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,359
was I was actually having I was about ready to

607
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,160
have a heart attack, to be honest you, in all honesty,

608
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,160
because I didn't know there was definitely something above. I

609
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,039
couldn't tell what it was, and it wasn't making any

610
00:27:38,079 --> 00:27:41,039
noise except the sniffing noise. And then that's when I

611
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,240
literally lifted my head up above a little bit of

612
00:27:43,279 --> 00:27:45,359
the brush of right on the shore line there, so

613
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,240
I could just try to get any glimpse of what

614
00:27:47,279 --> 00:27:49,000
it looked like. Maybe you see if it's a uniform,

615
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:50,960
you know, if I see a uniform to a game

616
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:52,720
warden or a copp or something. I was you know,

617
00:27:52,759 --> 00:27:54,960
at this point, I'm almost hoping it was a game warden, right,

618
00:27:55,039 --> 00:27:58,720
And then I literally see I see this like something

619
00:27:58,799 --> 00:28:01,079
kind of rising up into into the silhouette of the

620
00:28:01,079 --> 00:28:04,480
blue sky in the trees, and I'm going, and I'm

621
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:05,759
trying to wrap over my head, what is that?

622
00:28:05,799 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 1: What is that? It's lit?

623
00:28:06,559 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 3: Something standing up And I noticed that point had points

624
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,359
on each side of his head, and I thought.

625
00:28:11,279 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 1: Like a Batman.

626
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 3: I thought maybe had a Batman costume type thing that

627
00:28:15,319 --> 00:28:18,079
my first thing at like a Batman costume. But then

628
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,039
when it stood completely up, I saw the head facial

629
00:28:21,079 --> 00:28:22,920
hair like on the side of his face that like

630
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,920
straggly hung down and like almost like dreadlike like locksman.

631
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,279
It had a short muzzle like it had like a

632
00:28:29,319 --> 00:28:31,759
long face, but it had like a muzzle that stuck out,

633
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,240
but it wasn't long like a dog's, like a like

634
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,480
a German shepherd or something like that, but it was

635
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,319
enough where you could see it. It made a weird profile,

636
00:28:40,359 --> 00:28:43,359
like the lower part of the face jutted out, and

637
00:28:43,599 --> 00:28:46,200
it had an atom's apple, you know. And I mean

638
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,279
I could see when it turned towards it and when

639
00:28:48,319 --> 00:28:50,200
it turned and I saw a perfect silhouette of it

640
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,119
in the in the blue sky, and I can see

641
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:52,960
it's Adam's apple.

642
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 1: It's I can see this neck.

643
00:28:54,279 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 3: It had like a neck and it was kind of

644
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,599
hunched forward looking thing. And it didn't have no clothes

645
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:01,720
or anything got on it. It was just like it

646
00:29:01,759 --> 00:29:04,599
was just dark dark. I couldn't really see any kind

647
00:29:04,599 --> 00:29:06,440
of color of it.

648
00:29:06,519 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: And then as it literally started sniffing the air and

649
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:09,160
it was.

650
00:29:09,359 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 3: It turned his head back toward us, and that's when

651
00:29:12,519 --> 00:29:15,400
I was, Oh my god. I literally thought that was

652
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,240
the biggest fight or flighting I think I ever felt

653
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:18,839
in my life. Right there, I thought, and I gotta,

654
00:29:19,079 --> 00:29:20,720
I gotta get out of here something now, I got

655
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:22,640
to go, because this thing turned back to look at

656
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,000
us and then started to put his head up in

657
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,240
the air and start sniffing the air again, you know.

658
00:29:26,319 --> 00:29:29,000
And I was like, oh my god, he smells us. Man,

659
00:29:29,039 --> 00:29:31,839
He's gonna come get us. And and I'm so I'm reaching,

660
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:33,559
I'm trying to figure out where my knife is in

661
00:29:33,599 --> 00:29:36,279
my tackle box, my creole thing, and I'm digging all

662
00:29:36,279 --> 00:29:38,200
through my stuff as fast as I can and quietly

663
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,200
as I can, and the whole time in a panic,

664
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,079
absolute panic, you know. And this thing is literally stepped

665
00:29:43,079 --> 00:29:45,720
off the the.

666
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 1: The second landing.

667
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 3: It stepped onto you, and it was and it started

668
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:51,880
walking adjacent to us, but away deeper into the woods

669
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,759
where the creek came out and entered into the lake.

670
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:56,839
And I didn't know if that was a good thing

671
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:58,839
or a bad thing, because we had in order for

672
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:00,519
us to leave, we had the kind of go around

673
00:30:00,519 --> 00:30:03,359
this little peninsula at this little point and run back

674
00:30:03,559 --> 00:30:05,960
kind of in that direction, you know, And the only

675
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,000
thing that would separate us from him at that point

676
00:30:08,119 --> 00:30:11,480
would be a small section of land of dirt with

677
00:30:11,519 --> 00:30:14,480
a few bushes on it. And now and then we

678
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:19,160
literally have to face, you know, like either crossing paths

679
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,920
with it or beat him to that path or whatever.

680
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,039
And so that was what was going through my head

681
00:30:24,039 --> 00:30:26,240
at this point. I'm thinking, how I got to somehow

682
00:30:26,279 --> 00:30:29,400
beat him because he's going basically the way we're going,

683
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:33,359
but he's going the hard way essence, because he's going

684
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,640
up through the books. We went along the shore line,

685
00:30:36,119 --> 00:30:38,720
you know. And so the reason we went to the shoreline

686
00:30:38,799 --> 00:30:40,319
is because, like I said, there's no trails and it

687
00:30:40,359 --> 00:30:42,240
was dense brush, and so we couldn't we didn't want

688
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:43,279
to make it su at the time of night. We're

689
00:30:43,279 --> 00:30:46,039
trying to get out there to fish. So now we

690
00:30:46,079 --> 00:30:47,279
have to get out of there. Is the only way

691
00:30:47,359 --> 00:30:48,680
we know to get out of there is to take

692
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,359
that shoreline back, you know, And that literally would mean

693
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,519
walking adjacent to that creek where that thing's walking up

694
00:30:54,559 --> 00:30:56,519
that creek right now. So we literally have to go

695
00:30:56,799 --> 00:30:59,319
a distance over that creek right alongside us.

696
00:30:59,599 --> 00:30:59,759
Speaker 1: You know.

697
00:31:00,039 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 3: So I was like, I was freaking out about that,

698
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:04,559
you know, I mean, how are we going to do that?

699
00:31:04,559 --> 00:31:06,200
That's what I kept rationalizing, by how are we going

700
00:31:06,279 --> 00:31:08,759
to get past him? If he's walking that same direction?

701
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: You know, we can't.

702
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 3: I'm not going to go deeper into it because we

703
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,200
went north, or if we went west, we were just

704
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,599
going deeper and deeper into the woods, you know. So

705
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,160
the only thing I can think of, my only alternative

706
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:19,920
was I was going to jump in the reservoir. If

707
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:21,319
I had to, I would have literally jumped in the

708
00:31:21,319 --> 00:31:23,599
reservoir and I would have swam over to the other

709
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,799
side if I had to, you know, because it was

710
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,839
the point where where that fight or flight was kicking

711
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,319
in so hard, you know that I didn't know what

712
00:31:31,319 --> 00:31:33,720
to do. And I was only fourteen years old, and

713
00:31:33,799 --> 00:31:35,599
you know, I've never I've never had to cry out

714
00:31:35,599 --> 00:31:37,480
for mom or dad every before, but man, I swear

715
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:37,960
I wish.

716
00:31:37,799 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 1: My dad was there that time, you know.

717
00:31:43,759 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 3: And uh, well, and so this thing went up into

718
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,640
the There's a creek. There's like a creek that runs

719
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:53,119
full time right there and it feeds into that lake.

720
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,039
It's one of the I guess part of the watershed.

721
00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:01,440
And so once we once this thing walked up to that,

722
00:32:01,799 --> 00:32:04,920
I literally laid flat on the bank of the lake

723
00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:08,359
or the reservoir, which is kind of like gravel, you know,

724
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:12,079
muddy rock gravel, and it was all wet because you know,

725
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,079
there's no waves or anything like that, so to speak,

726
00:32:14,119 --> 00:32:15,799
the water maybe lap up, you know, four or five

727
00:32:15,799 --> 00:32:19,119
inch little waves, you know, at the most, but the

728
00:32:19,519 --> 00:32:22,000
bank was maybe three or four feet wide at the most,

729
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,839
four where the brush would start. And so I was

730
00:32:24,839 --> 00:32:28,079
literally laying down in that little drop off from the

731
00:32:28,799 --> 00:32:32,000
bankment to where the water's edge was. And when I

732
00:32:32,039 --> 00:32:34,319
saw this thing at first coming down toward in the

733
00:32:34,319 --> 00:32:37,480
direction toward us, it was getting louder and louder, and

734
00:32:37,519 --> 00:32:40,079
then I saw the immensity of it, the dark hulk,

735
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:41,599
you know, how big it was up in the in

736
00:32:41,599 --> 00:32:44,359
the silhouette of the sky. And that's when I just said,

737
00:32:44,359 --> 00:32:45,960
oh my God, and I laid down. I laid down

738
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,319
flat on that on that bank, soaking wet. I didn't care,

739
00:32:49,799 --> 00:32:51,559
you know, I have my I literally had my face

740
00:32:52,119 --> 00:32:54,279
laying flat on the on the on the rocks and mud,

741
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,359
just not moving, not even breathing so much because this

742
00:32:57,359 --> 00:32:57,799
thing was.

743
00:32:57,759 --> 00:32:59,599
Speaker 1: Like it looked like it was like right over the

744
00:32:59,599 --> 00:33:00,839
top of it, you know.

745
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,279
Speaker 3: And and I couldn't tell what my buddy Troub was

746
00:33:03,319 --> 00:33:04,720
doing because I didn't even look at him. I didn't

747
00:33:04,759 --> 00:33:07,039
want to make the movement to look at him, you know,

748
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,279
I just I was just staring in the direction of

749
00:33:09,319 --> 00:33:12,039
this thing, just to make sure I could catch any

750
00:33:12,119 --> 00:33:13,599
kind of movement it was going to make if it

751
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,160
was going to come after us or something, because at

752
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,119
that point I would have literally just rolled over into

753
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,039
the water and tried to swim away. That's what that

754
00:33:19,119 --> 00:33:20,480
was the only thing I could think of it doing,

755
00:33:21,119 --> 00:33:23,839
you know. And so as a thing literally walked up

756
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,000
the bankment a little ways and disappeared, you know, kind

757
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,000
of in the dark as maybe after thirty forty feet,

758
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:30,839
I couldn't see nothing because it was so dark and

759
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,440
the moon was literally was hidden from that point where

760
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,119
the angle of the mountain was, where the trees were,

761
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,000
so it got really dark in there. And that was

762
00:33:40,079 --> 00:33:41,599
that was one way out if we wanted to, we

763
00:33:41,599 --> 00:33:43,440
could have literally followed it in that direction. We could

764
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:47,200
have got out faster if they walk in the shoreline.

765
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,480
But no, man, it was not going to follow that

766
00:33:49,519 --> 00:33:52,519
thing anywhere, you know. And and at this point too,

767
00:33:52,559 --> 00:33:54,039
I walked in the shoreline back out of there. I

768
00:33:54,039 --> 00:33:56,799
didn't even care if we got caught, if somebody saw us,

769
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,279
I wouldn't even have cared because I just needed to.

770
00:33:59,359 --> 00:34:00,920
I just wanted to get away from their fast as

771
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,079
I could, you know. As matter of fact, I left

772
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,039
when when the thing disappeared, and that's when I looked

773
00:34:06,039 --> 00:34:07,720
at Troy. I kind of just slapped him in the arm,

774
00:34:07,799 --> 00:34:09,480
like and I just jumped up. I didn't even sing.

775
00:34:09,559 --> 00:34:11,039
I just slapped him in the arm, jumped up by

776
00:34:11,119 --> 00:34:14,079
let's go. And he's like trying to gather up his stuff,

777
00:34:14,119 --> 00:34:16,360
you know, and I'm just like, let's go, let's.

778
00:34:16,199 --> 00:34:18,639
Speaker 1: Go, let's go. He looks at me and he goes,

779
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:20,440
I'm not even on my equipment, I go, I am.

780
00:34:21,039 --> 00:34:23,039
Speaker 3: So I just literally I only I lost one pole

781
00:34:23,079 --> 00:34:25,480
in the water already, So I just left the pole.

782
00:34:25,519 --> 00:34:27,239
I left the crew there, and I didn't want to

783
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,039
have anything in my hands, so I can, you know,

784
00:34:29,079 --> 00:34:30,920
if I had the fight or something, I could at

785
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,719
least have something. And so I just we ran and

786
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:35,559
I ran that shoreline. I tripped and fell a couple

787
00:34:35,599 --> 00:34:38,079
of times, landed in the water. I got up, you know,

788
00:34:38,079 --> 00:34:43,559
and we got back to the I'll tell you what,

789
00:34:44,519 --> 00:34:47,880
I've never been so happy to see asphalt. And once

790
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:49,480
I saw my bike and I knew that, okay, good.

791
00:34:49,519 --> 00:34:51,119
I got my bike and I know the road's right there,

792
00:34:51,199 --> 00:34:52,199
so I'm safe.

793
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 1: I'm cool. We're out of here. We did it, man,

794
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:54,599
We're out of here.

795
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:56,519
Speaker 3: And then all the way back, all we can we

796
00:34:56,599 --> 00:34:58,559
kept people kept talking to He said, we we had

797
00:34:58,559 --> 00:35:01,199
a four mile ride back, you know, and it's it's earlier,

798
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:02,679
the sun's about to come up in a little bit,

799
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,599
and all we talked about was you know what, what

800
00:35:05,599 --> 00:35:07,360
what was that? What do you think that was? And

801
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,840
he goes, what if it's probably somebody pranking us? Bro,

802
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,320
I go, think about this. We're on the other side

803
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,199
of a reservoir that we're not supposed to be at,

804
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:16,320
not supposed to fish at.

805
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:16,800
Speaker 1: Nobody.

806
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,559
Speaker 3: There's nothing over There's not a single house, not a building,

807
00:35:19,599 --> 00:35:22,679
not a road, nothing except the utility road that goes

808
00:35:22,679 --> 00:35:24,159
way up the side of the mountain. He goes off

809
00:35:24,199 --> 00:35:27,159
to the other end of the dam, and there's no

810
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,880
reason for anybody to be out there at that time

811
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,599
of night, wearing some kind of suit to prank us,

812
00:35:32,679 --> 00:35:35,159
you know, thinking that and hope that some two guys

813
00:35:35,159 --> 00:35:36,960
are gonna pop out there and go fishing when they're

814
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:38,519
not supposed to be get there in the first place,

815
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,079
you know. So, and that's when it when I when

816
00:35:41,079 --> 00:35:42,719
I said it to him like that, that's when it dawned

817
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,199
on him too. He's like, yeah, that's true. All I go, Yeah,

818
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,000
it's true, road's going to be out there pranking. Ain't

819
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,559
nobody pranking out there, you know, And he's like yeah, so,

820
00:35:50,679 --> 00:35:52,960
And that's that's when the gravity of is. We're riding home,

821
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:54,840
we're talking about it, and I looked at him and

822
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:56,360
I said, I'll tell you right now, I'm not telling

823
00:35:56,559 --> 00:36:00,760
a soul and he goes, I'm not either. I go,

824
00:36:01,079 --> 00:36:03,480
so the packed on, we're making a pack right now. Okay,

825
00:36:03,519 --> 00:36:06,519
so that way our stories match, right, He goes, I'm

826
00:36:06,519 --> 00:36:08,039
not don't know them, bro. I go, you're not gonna

827
00:36:08,039 --> 00:36:10,280
tell you dad. He goes, Dude, my dad's already mad

828
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,079
at me for going up there, going up here anyway.

829
00:36:12,119 --> 00:36:13,880
If I told him this, you see, it serves you right,

830
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,239
you know. So that's what we just didn't tell anybody.

831
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,480
I mean There's been many times over the years too,

832
00:36:19,559 --> 00:36:22,599
when after that happened my dad, you know something, the

833
00:36:22,639 --> 00:36:24,039
subject is something like that would come up, and I

834
00:36:24,119 --> 00:36:27,440
wanted so bad to say something, you know, and just

835
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,400
but I thought, man, it's gonna open up a whole

836
00:36:31,039 --> 00:36:33,960
can of worm. That's gonna open up a whole story

837
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:35,280
that I'm gonna have to tell everybody else.

838
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:36,519
Speaker 1: So I thought, no, I better not.

839
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,559
Speaker 3: So that's how it always would end, you know, And

840
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,840
for years until just not too long ago, when I

841
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,079
saw these dog man things, and I told the buddy

842
00:36:46,079 --> 00:36:48,239
of mine, I said, Man, this is too crazy, bro,

843
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,440
because this is what I seen. This, This, this creature

844
00:36:50,519 --> 00:36:53,599
right here is what exactly what's exactly like what I saw.

845
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,039
And so basically what this is telling me, bro, that

846
00:36:56,039 --> 00:36:59,559
there really are werewolves. Man, there really are dog people

847
00:36:59,599 --> 00:37:03,039
in the woods. And he's like, and he was a skeptic.

848
00:37:03,039 --> 00:37:05,239
He's going and I go, just because you didn't see it,

849
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,519
you know, my buddy, I'm talking you guys said it's

850
00:37:07,519 --> 00:37:09,159
because you didn't see it, you go ahead and not believe.

851
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,159
Let me tell you something. You know, me, Bro, I

852
00:37:11,199 --> 00:37:12,800
wouldn't lie about something like this. I look me in

853
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:14,400
the eye I'm telling you right now, When you see

854
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:18,559
this thing, it changes everything, bro, because everything you learned

855
00:37:18,599 --> 00:37:21,159
in school is both you know, it's crap and everything

856
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,159
that they try to teach you, and that this stuff

857
00:37:24,199 --> 00:37:26,639
doesn't exist. It's all fairy tale, is a lie, Bro,

858
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,559
There's truth in this somewhere, because where do they even

859
00:37:29,559 --> 00:37:31,400
get the ideas of this stuff in the first place?

860
00:37:32,199 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 1: You know?

861
00:37:35,159 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's something I've thought about quite a few times.

862
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:42,039
When they write books and especially when they make these movies,

863
00:37:42,519 --> 00:37:44,880
it seems like they're just spot on with way too

864
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,840
many things. It's almost like Hollywood does know something. They

865
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,440
don't reveal it, but it definitely seems like they know

866
00:37:52,599 --> 00:37:56,159
something a lot more than what they let on. Mike,

867
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:59,039
he gave us some good details. But is there anything

868
00:37:59,119 --> 00:38:02,920
else you can tell something of how it looked?

869
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 3: Well, like I said, it was really really dark, and

870
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,320
I couldn't I couldn't see it like in vivid technicolor,

871
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,199
like that would be awesome, you know, But then again,

872
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,280
I don't know if it would have been awesome at

873
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,360
that time, you know. But the thing is I I

874
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,519
saw it, it looked it was tall, and I never

875
00:38:18,599 --> 00:38:21,639
saw it. It never went on all fours, so to speak.

876
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,119
It crouched down low, but it never I never saw

877
00:38:24,119 --> 00:38:27,119
it like walk on all fours. But I literally saw

878
00:38:27,159 --> 00:38:30,079
it on two feet walking and I can hear it

879
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,599
the footfalls, and you know, and it didn't it didn't

880
00:38:33,599 --> 00:38:36,840
sound any heavier than like a normal person walking. It

881
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,920
didn't sound like I was, you know, like a sasquatch,

882
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,039
you know. That's that was His footballs are completely different

883
00:38:43,079 --> 00:38:43,719
than this.

884
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,599
Speaker 1: This thing was like soft footfalls.

885
00:38:46,599 --> 00:38:48,159
Speaker 3: But I can hear the crunch and crunch of the

886
00:38:48,199 --> 00:38:50,440
leaves and the and the twigs underneath it, you know.

887
00:38:50,519 --> 00:38:53,519
And it was like it was a rhythmic like one

888
00:38:53,599 --> 00:38:56,280
two then a stop, and then it was like a

889
00:38:56,280 --> 00:39:00,639
real slow one two then stop. And so it took

890
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,079
it took a couple of minutes for it to you know,

891
00:39:03,159 --> 00:39:06,880
go just a short distance, and the whole time sniffing

892
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,840
the air like it was testing the air constantly trying

893
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:11,880
to figure out which direction the smell was coming from

894
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:13,480
or whatever. And I know it had to smell us

895
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:15,440
because we had, you know, I had a jar of

896
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,960
this catfish bait in my creel that was as stinky

897
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,360
as can big, you know, and I was like they're

898
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,159
gonna smell us for sure, And I remember rolling that

899
00:39:24,199 --> 00:39:25,880
into the water. I just rolled it into the water

900
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,760
just so that way it would that wouldn't be a factor.

901
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:30,840
I don't want I'm smelling that and zeroing right in

902
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,440
on us because that stuff stunk so bad, you know.

903
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:36,920
So when it walked away, I can just tell that

904
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,440
it was this. It was dark body, it shoulders.

905
00:39:39,639 --> 00:39:43,159
Speaker 1: It was weird. Is that has real narrow hips, had

906
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:44,480
really narrow hips. You know.

907
00:39:44,559 --> 00:39:47,159
Speaker 3: I couldn't see its legs feet sort of speak, you know.

908
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,320
I know that his knees didn't bend forward like our

909
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,880
knees bend forward, because they looked like he had knees

910
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,039
that were out backwards. But the whole thing is I

911
00:39:54,039 --> 00:39:55,679
couldn't really see him that close because it was a

912
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:57,960
jumble of darkness right there. But I could see that

913
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,119
it was walking on to two just in legs, you

914
00:40:01,119 --> 00:40:03,760
know what I mean, And its arms didn't really didn't

915
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:05,639
really see it swinging its arms or anything like that

916
00:40:05,679 --> 00:40:07,159
because it was too dark really to see that.

917
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,199
Speaker 1: But you know, but I see that it's fur.

918
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,559
Speaker 3: It had a lot of dow or something on its

919
00:40:12,599 --> 00:40:14,639
fur and stuff, because I remember it was glistening at

920
00:40:14,679 --> 00:40:16,519
times from that little bit of moonlight would come to

921
00:40:16,559 --> 00:40:18,559
the tree, I see a glisten on it, you know

922
00:40:18,559 --> 00:40:20,039
what I mean, and I'm like wow, you know, And

923
00:40:21,039 --> 00:40:24,440
at a time I probably didn't really, you know, realize.

924
00:40:24,079 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 1: What it was.

925
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 3: But as I got older and thought about it, you know,

926
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,760
it had to be dow or some sort of moisture

927
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:30,719
that was on is because it all the branches of

928
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,320
you know, in summertime at night time, man, and it

929
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,599
was really dewey after a certain period of.

930
00:40:35,639 --> 00:40:37,199
Speaker 1: Time, you know. And I don't know if that was

931
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,480
what it was on its fur or hair was just shiny.

932
00:40:40,519 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 3: I don't know, but there was times where they kind

933
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,000
of gleaned a little bit, you know, And and I

934
00:40:45,039 --> 00:40:47,800
know what it got me too, there's like dreadlocks. The

935
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,119
fight around the face, Like the hair right around the

936
00:40:50,119 --> 00:40:52,039
face part from what I could see, looked real thick

937
00:40:52,079 --> 00:40:54,519
and like like clump. It hung down and like clumps

938
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:58,599
kind of looked like to me, like like dreadlocks. That

939
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:00,840
was That was really about all I could see. You know,

940
00:41:01,039 --> 00:41:03,000
I didn't really it didn't really I mean, opened his mouth,

941
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:05,480
you know, when it was sniffing, you know, but I

942
00:41:05,519 --> 00:41:06,760
can't really see because it.

943
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:08,320
Speaker 1: Was so dark, but I can see that. I definitely

944
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:09,599
saw that there was white teeth there.

945
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:13,199
Speaker 3: I can see the teeth, but I couldn't see distinctly

946
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,079
what you know, fangs or anything like that. I can

947
00:41:15,079 --> 00:41:16,840
just see that you had a set of dentures up there.

948
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,199
And and the sniffing was what I really got me.

949
00:41:20,199 --> 00:41:22,039
It was just the weird It was making this huffing

950
00:41:22,119 --> 00:41:26,320
sound like it was like either trying to wind us

951
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,199
or it was trying to warn us of something, or

952
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,199
like it was some sort of warning or something, but

953
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,000
it was It wasn't natural sounding to me.

954
00:41:32,039 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: It was more of weird, weird sound, you know.

955
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 3: And I've never heard that sound before anywhere in the woods,

956
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:39,559
like with any animal or anything.

957
00:41:39,639 --> 00:41:41,119
Speaker 1: So I don't know where it was coming from, you know,

958
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:42,079
except for that.

959
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:46,800
Speaker 3: And but once it caught our scent, I noticed that

960
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:48,239
it didn't come down all the way to us. So

961
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:50,440
you were telling me, which made me feel a lot better.

962
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,079
And I understood this that he did have killed us

963
00:41:53,119 --> 00:41:54,920
if we wanted to, and he literally could came right

964
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,360
down to us, but you didn't. You kind of veered

965
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,639
to the left, down to the creek. So that makes

966
00:41:59,679 --> 00:42:03,440
me totally believe exactly what you were saying that, you know,

967
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,639
he left us alone by choice, but he definitely scared

968
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:09,079
us enough to make us not want to go back

969
00:42:09,079 --> 00:42:11,760
in there again, you know. But I did go back

970
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,159
in there again, you know, not through a couple days

971
00:42:14,199 --> 00:42:15,920
later to try to get my fishing poles and stuff.

972
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:19,800
And I got I got my creol everything, my other tap,

973
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:23,480
my other fishing pole was gone, but one of them

974
00:42:23,519 --> 00:42:24,679
was in the water, and then the other one I

975
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:26,800
left there wasn't there when I went back, but my

976
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,800
career was, you know, with my lures and stuff like that.

977
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,320
Speaker 1: I went back in the daytime, and it's.

978
00:42:32,199 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 3: A whole different, whole different place in the daytime, man,

979
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,880
let me tell you. And it really scared me even

980
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,599
more actually because it allowed me to see how close

981
00:42:41,599 --> 00:42:44,199
that thing really would have been where it was for,

982
00:42:45,119 --> 00:42:47,440
you know, and according to the noise that I was hearing,

983
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,320
you know. And then and I was able to see

984
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,679
the creek where it turned and walked and realized how

985
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:55,119
close he really was. But in the dark, it looked

986
00:42:55,119 --> 00:42:57,559
like there was some distance between us, but it wasn't.

987
00:42:57,559 --> 00:42:59,559
Speaker 1: Man, he was really close, you know.

988
00:43:00,559 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 3: And and and the scene that in the daylight was

989
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,639
like really really that was eye opening right there, you know.

990
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:07,519
And I didn't care at that point. I went back

991
00:43:07,519 --> 00:43:09,559
in the daytime, and if anybody would have saw me,

992
00:43:09,559 --> 00:43:11,000
I would you know, I didn't care. I would have

993
00:43:11,039 --> 00:43:12,800
told me about what would have happened, you know, And

994
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:14,400
it's I'm just here to see if I can find

995
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,880
some of my stuff, because I I didn't care. I

996
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:18,960
figured if I got COPT for fishing in there or whatever,

997
00:43:19,079 --> 00:43:21,480
that's the least to my worries, you know, compared to

998
00:43:21,599 --> 00:43:22,559
running and something like that.

999
00:43:22,679 --> 00:43:25,800
Speaker 1: So and that that was. That was that.

1000
00:43:26,559 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 3: And then for years I kept it, kept it, you know,

1001
00:43:29,599 --> 00:43:31,719
to myself, and didn't really think of it much except

1002
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:33,480
when I was going out go heading out to the woods.

1003
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 1: They're going to go do something like that.

1004
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:39,639
Speaker 3: And then years later, you know, I ended up having

1005
00:43:39,679 --> 00:43:43,320
another end ofcounter with something I didn't expect either, you know,

1006
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,760
and and and I thought to myself that this is crazy, man,

1007
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,280
this is absolutely insane. I go, how has this happened?

1008
00:43:49,679 --> 00:43:51,960
Is there is it me? Is it something about me

1009
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:54,400
that am I supposed to see these things? I don't

1010
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:56,800
know because I'm not searching for them. I'm not definitely

1011
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,000
not going out there with the intention of looking for

1012
00:43:59,039 --> 00:44:01,280
them at all. That it's not never been my attention,

1013
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,519
you know. I see those shows all time that go

1014
00:44:04,559 --> 00:44:05,920
out you know, I want to look. Now, it's never

1015
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,760
my intention because I think these are beings that why

1016
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:09,440
mess with them?

1017
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,119
Speaker 1: Man? You know, it's one thing.

1018
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,039
Speaker 3: It's one thing if they're out there and they do exist,

1019
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:14,880
But it's another thing to go out there and search

1020
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:18,159
for them and harass them or whatever, and especially if

1021
00:44:18,159 --> 00:44:20,159
there are these vicious.

1022
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 1: Killers, you know whatever.

1023
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,760
Speaker 3: Why would anybody want to do that? So that's how

1024
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:24,760
that's my take on it.

1025
00:44:27,159 --> 00:44:28,800
Speaker 2: I got to give it to you, Mike. You must

1026
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,239
have been awfully serious about fishing to go back the

1027
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:35,239
next a day or two after that and get your gear.

1028
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,400
You were really into fishing if you did that. But

1029
00:44:38,519 --> 00:44:41,079
you said that in the d light, you're able to

1030
00:44:41,079 --> 00:44:43,239
get a much better idea how close it was to

1031
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,159
you and Troy? How close was it to you too?

1032
00:44:47,039 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 3: Twenty feet thirty feet maybe at least that, No, no

1033
00:44:51,639 --> 00:44:53,599
more than that, though, I mean it was right there

1034
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:57,440
right there, And that told me how big it was,

1035
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,480
because I mean I thought it was far their way,

1036
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:02,639
you know, I thought I definitely thought it was far

1037
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,039
the way according to what I was my memory from

1038
00:45:05,079 --> 00:45:08,000
the night, you know, and when I once I was

1039
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,199
there in the daytime, I'm standing right there on that bank,

1040
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:12,519
and i can see my footprints right there in the

1041
00:45:12,559 --> 00:45:15,199
mud still, you know what I mean. And I'm going, wow, man,

1042
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:18,159
and that is right there. I go, geez, that's crazy.

1043
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:19,840
That thing could have thrown a rock at us and

1044
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:21,920
killed us, you know what I mean. I just like

1045
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,000
how and so he must have been crouching down, because

1046
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:26,159
that's what when I saw.

1047
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,519
Speaker 1: I literally saw him like rising up. Well that's how

1048
00:45:29,559 --> 00:45:30,280
I first saw.

1049
00:45:30,639 --> 00:45:32,320
Speaker 3: The first time I even saw it was when it

1050
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,639
was actually like slowly rising up, and I seen this

1051
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:39,800
head with two points, you know, something looked like like

1052
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:44,440
I said, it looked like a Batman cape costume thing

1053
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,360
kind of like around his headpipe like thing with two

1054
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,480
points on each side, with like points on the side

1055
00:45:50,519 --> 00:45:52,360
that kind of went downwards, you.

1056
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 1: Know, And I was like what, you know?

1057
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 3: And then then then you know, I do remember thinking

1058
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,800
could that be a game warden's hat or like a

1059
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:04,239
sheriff's cowboy hat? All weird to have like they had

1060
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:06,559
to pinch it up like Toby Keithy's Jakins cowboy hat

1061
00:46:06,559 --> 00:46:09,280
pinched the sides up against you know, the head and

1062
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,599
you know, making it looking really narrows where I thought

1063
00:46:11,639 --> 00:46:14,280
maybe you could that be like here thing that all

1064
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:15,440
these things running through my head.

1065
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,559
Speaker 1: But then immediately, you know, you cross the mouth. But no,

1066
00:46:18,679 --> 00:46:21,039
that's not it. Nope, that's not Nope, that's not it either.

1067
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,559
Speaker 3: You know, you know, trying to you know, eliminate all

1068
00:46:23,559 --> 00:46:25,199
these things that possibly you think it could be.

1069
00:46:26,039 --> 00:46:29,280
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, it would have been awfully nice if

1070
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,239
it would have been just the sheriff for a game

1071
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,280
word and buddy, yeah that wasn't the case.

1072
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 1: I know.

1073
00:46:35,599 --> 00:46:39,639
Speaker 2: You were just trying to see whatever anatomical features you

1074
00:46:39,679 --> 00:46:42,199
could on it, but the foliage was blocking a lot

1075
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:45,199
of your view. Did you ever get any time notice

1076
00:46:45,199 --> 00:46:46,920
if it had a tail or not?

1077
00:46:48,039 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 1: That's one thing I never noticed.

1078
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:53,119
Speaker 3: I didn't notice that because yeah, and like I said,

1079
00:46:53,119 --> 00:46:54,480
I wasn't looking for it, you know, I mean, I

1080
00:46:54,599 --> 00:46:58,280
just because when it did turn, it's lower most of

1081
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:01,320
the lower half was completely obscured by brush. And it

1082
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,159
wasn't until he got down to the creek part where

1083
00:47:04,199 --> 00:47:06,800
the rocks were. When it was going down there that's

1084
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,119
when it turned and it turned away from me, so

1085
00:47:09,159 --> 00:47:11,880
I'm looking at his back, you know way, But if

1086
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:12,719
it had a tail, it.

1087
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:13,280
Speaker 1: Was like hanging.

1088
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 3: It was low down between the legs area because it

1089
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,079
was like it was really dark, and I couldn't see

1090
00:47:17,079 --> 00:47:20,119
anything moving or swishing your you know, swaying back and

1091
00:47:20,159 --> 00:47:23,039
forth things like that. I just saw this dark kind

1092
00:47:23,079 --> 00:47:27,000
of silhouette just like it seemed like seamlessly gliding over there.

1093
00:47:27,039 --> 00:47:28,639
And that was what was weird, is that there was

1094
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:32,119
it was making no sound walking in the creek area

1095
00:47:32,159 --> 00:47:33,960
as opposed to where it was coming down the hill part.

1096
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:35,320
When it was coming down the hill part, it was

1097
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,239
all the dead brush and leaves and stuff that it

1098
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,960
was crunching around. But then when it got down towards

1099
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,199
the creek and the repairing area down in the habitat

1100
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:45,920
reptarian habitat area, there was all it was like watering

1101
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:50,360
there and you know, marshy and it went from hearing

1102
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,639
the footfalls to actually not hearing him at all anymore.

1103
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:54,920
And all he can hear was the sort of the sniffing,

1104
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:58,199
the the huffing sound he was making as he kind

1105
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:01,119
of went off into the brush and and like it's

1106
00:48:01,159 --> 00:48:03,320
weird that that sound. I you know, it was hard

1107
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,880
to decipher whether or not that was like a part

1108
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:09,079
of his daily or you know, it's it makes his

1109
00:48:09,199 --> 00:48:11,800
noise all the time when it's it's it's browsing or

1110
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:13,800
whatever it's doing. I don't even know what you'd call

1111
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:16,599
whatever it was doing. Was it hunting us? Was it

1112
00:48:16,679 --> 00:48:19,039
was it just meandering through the woods and we stumbled

1113
00:48:19,079 --> 00:48:21,880
on each other or I don't know, you know, I mean,

1114
00:48:22,079 --> 00:48:24,199
that's my That's always been a question in my mind,

1115
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:25,559
is what was it doing.

1116
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 1: Out there, you know, around us?

1117
00:48:28,199 --> 00:48:31,119
Speaker 3: Did it see us and come to us, you know,

1118
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:33,760
and want to and want to scare us or want

1119
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,159
to hurt us. It didn't hurt us, obviously, but did

1120
00:48:36,159 --> 00:48:37,800
it did it want to or did it come our

1121
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,440
way with that intention? Is what I you know, I

1122
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:44,119
don't know, but I thought about that quite a bit,

1123
00:48:44,199 --> 00:48:47,280
you know what, Why was that out there at that time?

1124
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 1: You know?

1125
00:48:48,159 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 3: And we didn't see any kind of any other signs

1126
00:48:50,519 --> 00:48:52,639
that would show that type of animal out there. I

1127
00:48:52,679 --> 00:48:54,840
didn't see, not that I was looking really either, but

1128
00:48:55,119 --> 00:48:57,199
I wasn't. I didn't see any kind of like other

1129
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:01,239
like kills or dead dead carcasses of animal or any

1130
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:04,679
signs of animals being tore up or struggles or anything

1131
00:49:04,679 --> 00:49:07,039
like that. We didn't see anything like that. And I

1132
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:09,079
saw we saw a dead I remember seeing a dead

1133
00:49:09,119 --> 00:49:11,920
carp on the bank, you know, we walked, I remember

1134
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:15,440
stepping over a big, old, giant dead carp on the side.

1135
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:20,159
But that's it, you know, And so I don't know that.

1136
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:22,840
That's what the question I had was just thinking, why

1137
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,039
was it out there? And what are the chances that

1138
00:49:25,039 --> 00:49:26,840
it's out there all the time. If I went out

1139
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:28,880
there again to fish, would I run into the scene again,

1140
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,960
you know? And and I certainly didn't want a chance that,

1141
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:33,800
you know, because that only time I'd be able to

1142
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:35,519
fish out there. Anyway, if I did it, it would

1143
00:49:35,559 --> 00:49:40,559
be at nighttime, you know, to avoid being detected. But man, yeah,

1144
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:43,679
that was never gonna happen. I promise you that that

1145
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:45,679
was not gonna happen going out there at nighttime again.

1146
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,239
I told my buddy, if everyone out there nighttime, it

1147
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:52,039
would be with ten people, with everyone of us having guns.

1148
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 2: Oh, I can't blame you there, And even at that,

1149
00:49:55,039 --> 00:49:58,119
you'd have your head on the swivel and understandableace.

1150
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 1: Still and I still do you know?

1151
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 2: I bet you do. I understand, I do, Mike, what

1152
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:09,920
would you say was the most attention grabbing anatomical feature

1153
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:12,639
that it had? What feature did you pay the most

1154
00:50:12,639 --> 00:50:13,239
attention to?

1155
00:50:14,079 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 1: It's head? Its face and head?

1156
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 3: You know, it's got You had had big triangle ears,

1157
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:23,880
big big pointed triangle ears that stood you know, up,

1158
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:27,760
and they were flat looking from straight on, like a triangle,

1159
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,480
like you're looking at two triangles side by side, you know.

1160
00:50:30,599 --> 00:50:33,800
Speaker 1: And the face was kind of rounded, you know.

1161
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,599
Speaker 3: My it didn't look like like this to me, like

1162
00:50:36,599 --> 00:50:38,639
a stereotypical like the movies.

1163
00:50:38,679 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 1: You know, the wevers on the movies.

1164
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 3: They make them with these elongated snouts and with big

1165
00:50:43,199 --> 00:50:45,480
snarly teeth, you know, and it's all the wrinkles on

1166
00:50:45,519 --> 00:50:48,599
the on the muzzle where they are snarling all the time.

1167
00:50:49,159 --> 00:50:50,840
Speaker 1: There was nothing like that. It just it had like

1168
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:52,079
it had a short muzzle.

1169
00:50:53,159 --> 00:50:55,639
Speaker 3: There was definitely a muzzle though it stuck out if

1170
00:50:55,679 --> 00:50:58,119
you look at its profile, like compared to a human's face,

1171
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:03,039
from the nose and the lower jaw kind of jutted

1172
00:51:03,119 --> 00:51:06,079
forward a couple maybe an inch or two more than

1173
00:51:06,119 --> 00:51:08,880
a normal human face would. And it had like a point.

1174
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,599
The nose seemed like to have a point from the side.

1175
00:51:11,599 --> 00:51:13,480
And I can see it, you know, the profile that

1176
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:16,800
I see the silhouette, I seen the perfect, absolutely perfect.

1177
00:51:17,199 --> 00:51:19,519
The edge of that silhouette was perfect. I can see,

1178
00:51:19,599 --> 00:51:21,079
I can see its face. I see, I can see

1179
00:51:21,079 --> 00:51:25,880
it's atoms apples had an Adam's apple and that that's

1180
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,360
what you know. That was the trippiest thing I've ever seen,

1181
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:32,000
is that you know, with the in the dreadlocks, like

1182
00:51:32,039 --> 00:51:34,920
on the sides of his face. It had like hair

1183
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,119
that looked like it was coming in like thick clumps,

1184
00:51:38,159 --> 00:51:41,000
maybe about as thick as a pencil, and you know,

1185
00:51:41,119 --> 00:51:43,760
some some spots, but it may be thicker in some others.

1186
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,079
But it looked like it was dreads on the sides

1187
00:51:46,119 --> 00:51:48,719
of the face and down underneath the neck and chin area,

1188
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:52,239
and and and the muzzle was like really sparse. It's

1189
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:55,559
odd as I'm trying to think of them, you were

1190
00:51:55,559 --> 00:51:57,960
you could kind of I guess you could see. It

1191
00:51:58,000 --> 00:51:59,400
wasn't completely.

1192
00:51:59,159 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 1: Hairy, you know what I mean.

1193
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 3: The face had more of a you can see like

1194
00:52:02,639 --> 00:52:04,679
skin through the hair type thing, you know, because I

1195
00:52:04,679 --> 00:52:06,800
can see lightness in the face, so it wasn't completely

1196
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:08,519
covered with hair the face, you know what I mean,

1197
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:12,239
it was, but the sides of the whiskers like that

1198
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:15,079
where the sideburns were that part right there, all the

1199
00:52:15,079 --> 00:52:18,440
way down underneath the chin, whereas the most hair I

1200
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:19,239
think on the face.

1201
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, I bet the side of that thing is

1202
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:27,239
a sight you're never going to forget. And understandably so

1203
00:52:28,119 --> 00:52:30,800
when it put its nose in the air and started sniffing,

1204
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:34,440
I'm sure that wind direction was probably just about the

1205
00:52:34,519 --> 00:52:37,800
last thing on your mind. But did you notice did

1206
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:40,400
you happen to notice if you were upwind or downwind

1207
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:40,800
from it?

1208
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:44,559
Speaker 3: I couldn't tell, because, like I said, it was it

1209
00:52:44,599 --> 00:52:47,119
was a warm It was a pretty much mild you

1210
00:52:47,159 --> 00:52:48,440
know bomby night.

1211
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:51,320
Speaker 1: It wasn't. It wasn't. I remember, I had a t shirt.

1212
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:52,239
It wasn't even that cold.

1213
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:56,519
Speaker 3: But I remember that there was no wind because there's

1214
00:52:56,559 --> 00:53:00,320
no I didn't there's no trees, branches moving from the wind, nothing,

1215
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:02,280
and there's no breeze. And the water the water was

1216
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,639
like glass on the lake. I mean there was not

1217
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:06,480
no not even ripple on the water. It was like

1218
00:53:06,639 --> 00:53:07,360
just like glass.

1219
00:53:08,079 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 1: And we hear the you know, we hear fish.

1220
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 3: You hear fish jumping out in the water, splash, you know,

1221
00:53:13,559 --> 00:53:16,239
then you see a big old ring ring of ripples

1222
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:20,360
out there in the water. It was really really an

1223
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:23,320
epic summer night, really, you know. I mean, for if

1224
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:25,000
I hadn't seen that thing and we were able to

1225
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:26,519
stay there and fish, I think we would have had

1226
00:53:26,639 --> 00:53:28,239
one heck of a night, because I mean I already

1227
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:30,400
right away I had that fish on, man, and it

1228
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:32,800
was a big fish. Man, it was just peeling the

1229
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:34,840
line off my pole so fast I couldn't stop it

1230
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:37,920
with my hand, you know, And so it would have

1231
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,199
probably been a real, you know, fun fishing night.

1232
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:41,760
Speaker 1: But man, everything changed.

1233
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 3: We weren't even there, weren't even there literally five minutes,

1234
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:47,559
ten minutes at the top you know, where we got

1235
00:53:47,559 --> 00:53:49,239
to our location to fish, you know, and all of

1236
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:51,559
a sudden, man, this happened. I was like, oh my god,

1237
00:53:51,639 --> 00:53:53,360
the whole night was gone after that.

1238
00:53:55,199 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure it was gone. Yeah understandably. So did

1239
00:53:59,519 --> 00:54:02,119
you have any Chris whatsoever and wear wolves before you

1240
00:54:02,159 --> 00:54:03,079
had that experience?

1241
00:54:04,199 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 3: Nope, I you know, I watched, you know, I've always

1242
00:54:07,079 --> 00:54:09,280
watched creature features of like that, growing up as kids

1243
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:12,519
watching horror movies and stuff, and the werewolf movies were

1244
00:54:12,519 --> 00:54:15,840
never really didn't really impress me much because like the

1245
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,199
low chainy ones, you know, it didn't really look much

1246
00:54:18,199 --> 00:54:19,559
like a wolf to me. Man, it looked like one

1247
00:54:19,559 --> 00:54:21,559
of those that looks more like the Monkey and Wizard

1248
00:54:21,639 --> 00:54:24,960
of Oz, you know, and I just don't so I

1249
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:27,159
never really got really into worlds. And I remember seeing

1250
00:54:27,159 --> 00:54:31,400
that movie the was it The Howling, and it was

1251
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:33,760
that was probably where they actually that was the first

1252
00:54:34,039 --> 00:54:35,719
movie I've ever seen where they actually made a were

1253
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:38,679
wolf look like a really wicked were wolf, you know,

1254
00:54:39,079 --> 00:54:41,480
where it had a long snout, looked like an actual wolf.

1255
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:45,679
And this thing didn't have anywhere near the size of

1256
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:47,760
snout that the movie, you know, put on those things.

1257
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:50,440
But but I definitely it was weird because from the

1258
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:53,159
profile when it turned sniffing and the kid was moving

1259
00:54:53,159 --> 00:54:55,159
its head back and forth, kind of smelling the air,

1260
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:58,920
and it was looking directly our direction at first, you know,

1261
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:01,000
and I couldn't see its face. I couldn't make out

1262
00:55:01,039 --> 00:55:02,719
the details of his face because all I saw was

1263
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:05,119
the total silhouette. But then it was sniffing air and

1264
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:07,840
as it turned its head, it kind of turned its head.

1265
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:10,280
It was a sniffing air, and that's when I saw that.

1266
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:13,079
It just gave me the prayerfect profile shot of the

1267
00:55:13,159 --> 00:55:15,000
side of his you know, his face and his neck

1268
00:55:15,519 --> 00:55:18,159
and the tops of his chest, like the shoulders, you know,

1269
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:21,360
and I remember seeing striations in the shoulder muscle at

1270
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:24,400
one point when it kind of lifted up his arm and.

1271
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 1: It grabbed it.

1272
00:55:25,079 --> 00:55:28,599
Speaker 3: Like there's like a like a vine vining type brut

1273
00:55:28,679 --> 00:55:30,880
branch or something like that coming off some the tree

1274
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:33,960
there that I don't think it's like I think it's

1275
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:35,960
like an invasive species thing that was grown there.

1276
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 1: But it was like a vine amps coming down.

1277
00:55:37,599 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 3: I remember when he lifted up its arm and he

1278
00:55:39,119 --> 00:55:40,679
like pulled down on this vine, and that's when I

1279
00:55:40,679 --> 00:55:43,880
saw the muscle. I saw his shoulders, and I saw

1280
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,880
striations and the muscles and his shoulder, you know, And

1281
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:50,400
I was like, man, I go, that's you know, is

1282
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:53,320
that a bodybuilder or whatever? That's crazy. You know, all

1283
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:55,400
these things you don't even you can't even rationalize in

1284
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:57,719
your head. You just can't, you know. And I remember,

1285
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:00,360
I don't know what Troy was thinking, you know, but

1286
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:03,920
I literally was going through like a catalog in my head.

1287
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:06,559
Of all the possibilities that it could be, you know,

1288
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:08,920
based on what I know, what I was taught in school,

1289
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:10,760
what I've seen, or you know, in life, you know,

1290
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:14,280
And I couldn't come up with any anything other than

1291
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:17,480
it was like a werewolf looking thing, you know, And

1292
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:19,760
that's what scared me, and me and me and Troy

1293
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:20,599
talked about this later on.

1294
00:56:20,639 --> 00:56:23,440
Speaker 1: At one point, I remember he's saying something.

1295
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:25,320
Speaker 3: He goes, many, maybe next time we go fishing, we

1296
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:26,880
need to carry some silver bullets with us.

1297
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:31,679
Speaker 1: And I was like, for a werewolf, I go, yeah,

1298
00:56:31,679 --> 00:56:33,119
I think is I guess that's only and it kills

1299
00:56:33,119 --> 00:56:35,599
a werewolf? Right? And I'm like, I don't know, bro,

1300
00:56:35,679 --> 00:56:38,760
I'm not what does kill a werelf? You know? Silver bullets?

1301
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:40,760
And I go, well, that means we had to carry a.

1302
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 3: Gun and you know, and he's like, yeah, well, I'm

1303
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:47,079
just saying, man, that's you know that if the werewolves

1304
00:56:47,119 --> 00:56:49,440
are real, bro, you know, and what we saw was

1305
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:52,360
a werewolf, man, maybe we should carry some silver bullets.

1306
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 2: Well, you didn't have anything to draw upon to make

1307
00:56:57,000 --> 00:57:00,400
you think it was anything other than a werewolf, So yes,

1308
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:03,960
it's totally understandable that's what you thought they were both

1309
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:06,960
extreme skeptics. You said, but did you ever down the

1310
00:57:07,039 --> 00:57:09,639
road tell your parents about your dog mealing counter?

1311
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:15,199
Speaker 3: I remember telling my mom before she died. My dad

1312
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:17,920
passed away before I could never talk to him about

1313
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:21,039
anything like that. But my mom, I remember I mentioned

1314
00:57:21,039 --> 00:57:24,079
something that and I said something about mom.

1315
00:57:24,119 --> 00:57:25,559
Speaker 1: All I need to do now is see all I

1316
00:57:25,599 --> 00:57:26,320
need to see.

1317
00:57:26,119 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 3: Is a is an alien a space alien man, because

1318
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:31,440
I've seen it all. I've seen a werewolf, and I've

1319
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:33,320
seen Bigfoot, and I just need to see a space

1320
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:37,119
alien man that I've seen all the imaginary things, you know.

1321
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:40,039
And my mom looked at me geos, Michael, there's no

1322
00:57:40,079 --> 00:57:41,599
such thing as werewolves, okay?

1323
00:57:41,679 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 1: And bigfoot? Yeah right?

1324
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 3: You know I don't buy that because but and I

1325
00:57:47,039 --> 00:57:49,159
definitely don't buy the werewolf story.

1326
00:57:49,199 --> 00:57:52,719
Speaker 1: Mike. I'm like, see, that's exactly why I didn't tell everybody. Mom.

1327
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 3: And she goes, uh huh, you saw a werewolf? I said, yeah, mom,

1328
00:57:56,159 --> 00:58:00,480
my werewolf. She's like, yeah, well, I think, Michael, you

1329
00:58:00,519 --> 00:58:02,440
might have been smoking something or something like No, Mom,

1330
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:03,519
I wasn't smoking nothing.

1331
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:04,159
Speaker 1: You know.

1332
00:58:05,039 --> 00:58:07,719
Speaker 3: That's that's that's all my mom would handle stuff like that,

1333
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:08,519
you know.

1334
00:58:08,679 --> 00:58:11,159
Speaker 1: So my dad, I said, never even talk about.

1335
00:58:11,199 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 3: But my dad he he enjvied the fact that me

1336
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,480
and my and me and Troy went up there to

1337
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:18,840
go fishing because he wants He's always wanted to do

1338
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:19,440
that himself.

1339
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:20,119
Speaker 1: But he knows, you know.

1340
00:58:20,159 --> 00:58:22,079
Speaker 3: He said, but it's illegal, mikeel you caught, you're gonna

1341
00:58:22,119 --> 00:58:24,599
get a fine. And I said, well, it's worth the

1342
00:58:24,599 --> 00:58:26,360
finding me. Dad, I'm just gonna I just want to

1343
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:28,440
be able to fish this lake, this monster fish in there.

1344
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna try. I'm just gonna fish on.

1345
00:58:30,239 --> 00:58:31,639
Speaker 3: My dad goes man, I'd love to go with you

1346
00:58:31,639 --> 00:58:33,239
guys man, but I have to buy by the law

1347
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:33,960
of my friends, you know.

1348
00:58:34,039 --> 00:58:36,719
Speaker 1: So my dad, you know, he just clined to go,

1349
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:39,000
you know. So that's why my dad.

1350
00:58:39,159 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 3: My dad probably would have went with us if he

1351
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:42,880
knew we could get away with it, you know. But

1352
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:45,199
my dad was so paranoid of doing something illegal.

1353
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 2: So well, it's kind of strange for me to say

1354
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:53,639
that I'm glad your dad didn't go for obvious reasons.

1355
00:58:53,679 --> 00:58:57,440
But when you're dealing with someone that's that skeptical, skeptical

1356
00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:00,000
as he was, that's a kind of person right there,

1357
00:59:00,119 --> 00:59:03,480
has a really hard time coming to terms with the dog, mean,

1358
00:59:03,519 --> 00:59:05,760
the encounter. So I know you've had a lot of

1359
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:09,639
trouble dealing with it. But your dad, having the mentality

1360
00:59:09,719 --> 00:59:12,719
he had, he probably would have had two three times

1361
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:15,199
the amount of trouble that you had coming to terms

1362
00:59:15,239 --> 00:59:21,400
with it. So yeah, that's why that good years later,

1363
00:59:21,519 --> 00:59:24,679
like you alluded to, you had that sasquatch and counter in.

1364
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:26,679
I want you to please tell us about it.

1365
00:59:26,599 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 3: Now, that one and that one, probably that one is

1366
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:32,519
the most vivid. That one's what I remember that most

1367
00:59:32,559 --> 00:59:34,320
of it was. It was the most recent obviously that

1368
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:36,199
happened to them. I still remember the date, man. It

1369
00:59:36,239 --> 00:59:39,239
was January the eighth, January the eight, two thousand and eight.

1370
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:44,400
It was up in Sisco County, and it was it

1371
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:47,000
was there was like already a foot or two but

1372
00:59:47,119 --> 00:59:48,800
maybe at the most three feet of snow on the

1373
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:50,840
ground already in some of the you know, deeper areas.

1374
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:53,840
But there had been a few storms already gone through

1375
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:55,519
the area. And I was up there visiting a friend

1376
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:59,360
and we were senter having you a bidet, and on

1377
00:59:59,719 --> 01:00:03,079
the news came on We're saying that the area was

1378
01:00:03,119 --> 01:00:07,960
about to experience a blizzard, snowstorm that evening was coming in.

1379
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:09,599
It was going to last most of the night into

1380
01:00:09,639 --> 01:00:12,639
the next day, and there would be like whiteout conditions

1381
01:00:12,679 --> 01:00:13,800
type type blizzard.

1382
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:16,519
Speaker 1: So I thought, wow, we're going to be snowed in, right.

1383
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 3: I was excited because, you know, being a California boy,

1384
01:00:20,639 --> 01:00:22,400
you know, it's not often I get be in the

1385
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:24,239
snow and get snowed in and a lizard, you know.

1386
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:28,599
And so my friend said, you might want to take

1387
01:00:28,599 --> 01:00:31,280
your dog out now and get all his business done,

1388
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:32,559
because you're not going to want to go out there

1389
01:00:32,599 --> 01:00:33,239
when it's doing that.

1390
01:00:33,719 --> 01:00:35,239
Speaker 1: So that's what I did, and I got my dog.

1391
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:38,079
Speaker 3: It was about four forty four thirty somewhere in there

1392
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:41,079
in the evening and January eighth. You know, she gets

1393
01:00:41,199 --> 01:00:44,079
dark real early, and so the sun was really really setting.

1394
01:00:44,599 --> 01:00:47,239
I had maybe, you know, at the most, maybe forty

1395
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:50,480
minutes of actual light at all, and so I figured

1396
01:00:50,519 --> 01:00:52,159
I just take the dog real quick down to the

1397
01:00:52,199 --> 01:00:55,760
back of the property that we were staying on, which

1398
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:58,519
is just a kind of a small canyon that there's

1399
01:00:58,559 --> 01:01:00,559
like a little creek that goes down there is about

1400
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:03,400
you know, ten foot wide creek because maybe a foot

1401
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:06,400
or two deep and it went all the way down

1402
01:01:06,559 --> 01:01:08,800
through that canyon, and now that there was snow in

1403
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:12,920
the ground, the creek had portions of it were frozen.

1404
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:14,599
Speaker 1: You know, there's like maybe a half an inch of

1405
01:01:14,639 --> 01:01:15,559
ice on some spots.

1406
01:01:15,599 --> 01:01:17,960
Speaker 3: And so me and my dog, as I was walking

1407
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:20,599
down there, my dog, I was kind of just enjoying

1408
01:01:20,599 --> 01:01:23,480
the crispare and you know what was going on, and

1409
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:25,320
we're kind of jumping on the little puddles, breaking the

1410
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:28,079
ice and stuff. And then at one point my dog,

1411
01:01:28,719 --> 01:01:33,000
my dog just literally went eight, I mean just went crazy,

1412
01:01:33,239 --> 01:01:35,559
just crazy, and I'm like, calm.

1413
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:37,199
Speaker 1: Down, com down, just what's going on? What's going on?

1414
01:01:37,239 --> 01:01:40,480
Speaker 3: It was relaxed, relaxed, and she just focused in one direction.

1415
01:01:40,599 --> 01:01:42,960
All the hair hackles on her back and her butt

1416
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:44,920
were all standing up. She was like all puffed up,

1417
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:48,639
trying to be and just like being really seriously ferocious,

1418
01:01:48,679 --> 01:01:51,119
like there was something something there that was making her

1419
01:01:51,159 --> 01:01:54,199
go nuts. Right, And I'm standing there looking at the

1420
01:01:54,239 --> 01:01:57,000
same direction she's looking, and I don't see anything. All

1421
01:01:57,039 --> 01:02:01,440
I see is trees and trees and snow, and I

1422
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:03,320
saw I can't see anything other than the trees in

1423
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:07,320
the snow, and and my dog's still going that I

1424
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:08,960
grab I got my dog by the collars. I didn't

1425
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:10,280
have a leash on her because we're out in the

1426
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:12,199
middle of nowhere and I just walked from behind this

1427
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:13,880
house down into the property, so I didn't have to

1428
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:17,000
even bring a leash. So I literally had to grab

1429
01:02:17,039 --> 01:02:19,719
her by the collar and hold her because she was

1430
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:21,000
like just wanting to lunch forward.

1431
01:02:21,039 --> 01:02:24,440
Speaker 1: It that's this tree, I guess all I can see.

1432
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:25,880
What is that?

1433
01:02:27,559 --> 01:02:30,440
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, sorry, somebody next to me letting her car

1434
01:02:30,519 --> 01:02:34,320
alarm go off. That's great anyway, So I see that.

1435
01:02:35,679 --> 01:02:37,079
All of a sudden, I noticed on the tree. I'm

1436
01:02:37,079 --> 01:02:38,840
looking at the only directs and the only thing in

1437
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:40,559
front of him, directly in front of me is this tree,

1438
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:43,559
and that's where my dog is like focused on, and

1439
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:46,599
I'm looking and I'm kind of looking at and I

1440
01:02:46,599 --> 01:02:48,840
see like a black thing on this tree that looks

1441
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:50,960
like it could be like a hand, And I was

1442
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:54,320
like five for true, you know, protruding things on it,

1443
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:56,800
and it looks like black hair, and I thought maybe

1444
01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:58,920
it's like a fungus or something growing on the tree.

1445
01:02:59,199 --> 01:03:01,599
So I kind of lean and it squinted a little bit,

1446
01:03:01,639 --> 01:03:05,079
and it was maybe twenty five feet away, and I

1447
01:03:05,079 --> 01:03:07,159
looked at it and I'm realizing, man, that looks like

1448
01:03:07,199 --> 01:03:10,199
a hand. That looks like a hairy hand. As I'm

1449
01:03:10,199 --> 01:03:13,280
trying to rationalize this in my head, it said hairy hand.

1450
01:03:13,599 --> 01:03:16,039
I see his head pop around from behind the tree

1451
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:19,719
and looked right at me, and I'm like, whoa, Oh

1452
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:23,079
my god, man, I swear to god, I thought I

1453
01:03:23,079 --> 01:03:23,840
was gonna have a heart attack.

1454
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 1: I flipped backwards.

1455
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:27,199
Speaker 3: I literally flipped backwards onto the snow, landed in the

1456
01:03:27,199 --> 01:03:29,800
snow on my back, and I'm trying. I'm literally struggling

1457
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:31,760
trying to grab my dog's back leg because my dog's

1458
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:34,199
trying to rush this thing. And I grabbed my dog's

1459
01:03:34,239 --> 01:03:36,480
back leg and she turned around, almost like to bite me,

1460
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:38,400
and she was in such a frenzy trying to get

1461
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:40,480
at the thing, and I grabbed her by back, grabbed

1462
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:42,280
her again and grabbed her collar and I'm laying in

1463
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:45,079
the snow holding her and staring at the thing. And

1464
01:03:45,119 --> 01:03:48,719
it literally, it literally stepped away from the tree and

1465
01:03:48,719 --> 01:03:51,360
it looks but before it did that, I knewalized that

1466
01:03:51,519 --> 01:03:54,719
hand that was a hand connected to this thing. And

1467
01:03:55,039 --> 01:03:58,320
now I seen his shoulders that were literally four times

1468
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:01,199
as white as that tree that I for somehow was

1469
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:04,119
blind to. Looking at it the way that it was

1470
01:04:04,159 --> 01:04:07,280
standing there, I couldn't tell that those were shortly shoulders

1471
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:07,920
of an animal.

1472
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:08,320
Speaker 1: It was.

1473
01:04:08,599 --> 01:04:10,800
Speaker 3: It just looked like a shadowed portion of this tree,

1474
01:04:11,039 --> 01:04:12,119
you know. And then all of a sudden when it

1475
01:04:12,159 --> 01:04:14,440
turned and I saw that those were shoulders, and I

1476
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:18,039
was like, holy crap, this thing is a monster. And

1477
01:04:18,039 --> 01:04:21,039
then I think there's no age in North America. There's

1478
01:04:21,039 --> 01:04:24,119
no gorillas in North America. And my dog and so

1479
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:25,960
I'm thinking, my dog is gonna get us killed.

1480
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:26,119
Speaker 1: Man.

1481
01:04:26,119 --> 01:04:27,760
Speaker 3: So I got I grabbed my dog's collar, and I'm

1482
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:30,360
trying to hold her again, and she's literally just a pitfull,

1483
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:33,519
so she's doing everything she can to get at this thing.

1484
01:04:33,639 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 1: And then she's so strong.

1485
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:37,880
Speaker 3: I mean I was barely able to hold her, and

1486
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:39,960
she was lunging so much of the thing. And so

1487
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:42,320
this thing was kind of spooked about the dog, and

1488
01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:44,880
it kind of it stepped backwards away from the tree,

1489
01:04:45,199 --> 01:04:47,599
but still staring at me the whole time. And when

1490
01:04:47,639 --> 01:04:50,159
it stepped backwards, it kind of then it turned to

1491
01:04:50,199 --> 01:04:52,199
the left, and then like now it's going to it

1492
01:04:52,199 --> 01:04:54,519
started to move swiftly, and it dropped down into the

1493
01:04:54,519 --> 01:04:56,760
creek and it crunts right through the ice boom, here

1494
01:04:57,199 --> 01:05:00,119
the ice break, you know, and here two three or

1495
01:05:00,119 --> 01:05:01,800
big footfalls, and he came up on the side of

1496
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:03,360
the bank. And now it was over the top of

1497
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:06,039
me looking down, and all I wanted to do was

1498
01:05:06,239 --> 01:05:08,679
run right now. And then this thing literally made like

1499
01:05:08,679 --> 01:05:11,679
a most muscular pose like Arnold Torzenegger on stage when

1500
01:05:11,679 --> 01:05:13,920
he kind of leans forward and crunches all the muscles together,

1501
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:17,400
and it made like this whoop sound that I felt

1502
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:19,440
in my chest and almost I can almost say that

1503
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:21,960
it made my hair move, you know that you felt

1504
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:24,400
that that that the sound wave hit me. It was

1505
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:27,760
so so powerful when it hit me that I swear

1506
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:29,599
I thought my heart fell out of my chest.

1507
01:05:29,719 --> 01:05:32,559
Speaker 1: And I literally know, lie, I thought I was not going.

1508
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:34,239
Speaker 3: To have a heart attack because I was trying to

1509
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:38,320
I mean, what are the odds, I go, what this

1510
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:41,119
is crazy. I would never expect it in a million

1511
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:43,880
years at that moment to walk down and encounter this

1512
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:47,079
being at all. That was not even on my radar,

1513
01:05:47,519 --> 01:05:50,360
you know, And so it just threw my whole date

1514
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:52,440
everything into a loop. And so I'm trying to get

1515
01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:55,880
back to this house now at this point, and I'm

1516
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:57,599
breathing so hard I think I'm going to die.

1517
01:05:57,880 --> 01:05:59,239
Speaker 1: And I just come to the front door.

1518
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:01,840
Speaker 3: I fall into the floor and I snow all over

1519
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:03,800
me and every and I'm screaming there's a big foot

1520
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:05,800
out there. Oh my god, there's a big foot out there.

1521
01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:08,360
And the guy that knows the place he comes to

1522
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:10,840
it looks at me. He is, which one do you see?

1523
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:12,920
I go, we mean, which one did I see? I

1524
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:14,559
saw a big foot out there, Bro, a big, big,

1525
01:06:14,599 --> 01:06:16,719
big foot out there, man. And he goes, well, there's

1526
01:06:16,719 --> 01:06:18,800
a couple of mint I go, oh, don't even go there.

1527
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:20,599
And I go, you know there's big foots out there

1528
01:06:20,639 --> 01:06:22,280
and he goes, well, yeah, we live up here and

1529
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:24,719
stare all over up here. And I'm like, you do

1530
01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:26,559
that and you didn't tell me that when I took

1531
01:06:26,599 --> 01:06:29,280
my dog down there, just reasonly. And he goes, well,

1532
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:31,239
I kind of assumed you understood, Bud, you know. And

1533
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:35,079
I'm like, wow, So how often do you see them

1534
01:06:35,119 --> 01:06:37,480
down there? And he says, oh, we see him pretty regular,

1535
01:06:37,519 --> 01:06:40,320
and I go, you're kidding me. I wish you would

1536
01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:42,360
have told me, Bro before I went down there like that.

1537
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:45,159
I go, you know, and I said, you know that

1538
01:06:45,239 --> 01:06:47,079
I had an encounter with something way back in the day.

1539
01:06:47,159 --> 01:06:48,679
This is the only time, first person I told that

1540
01:06:48,719 --> 01:06:50,599
at that time, man, I said, And he go, this

1541
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:52,719
is something, man, that don't happen to people all the time.

1542
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:52,920
Speaker 1: Bro.

1543
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:55,360
Speaker 3: And I really wish you'd have told me that you

1544
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:57,800
see them down there, because I probably would have elected

1545
01:06:57,800 --> 01:06:59,440
to stay right here in the front part of the house,

1546
01:06:59,559 --> 01:07:02,159
you know, instead of walking down there in the woods

1547
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:03,119
right before dark.

1548
01:07:03,159 --> 01:07:03,280
Speaker 1: Bro.

1549
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:07,119
Speaker 3: And you know, he apologized and stuff, and then they

1550
01:07:07,119 --> 01:07:08,920
called the sheriff because I guess they report all this

1551
01:07:09,159 --> 01:07:11,760
all they report all these sightings out there. And so

1552
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:13,679
a sheriff took the time to drive all the way

1553
01:07:13,679 --> 01:07:16,079
out there on the seventeen mile dirt road to get

1554
01:07:16,119 --> 01:07:18,119
up to this house to take this.

1555
01:07:18,159 --> 01:07:18,800
Speaker 1: Report, you know.

1556
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:21,159
Speaker 3: And he literally said, you might you take me to

1557
01:07:21,199 --> 01:07:22,960
the spot. And I look, and now it's pitch dark

1558
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:25,159
and snowing at this point, and he says, you.

1559
01:07:25,159 --> 01:07:25,960
Speaker 1: Take me to the spot.

1560
01:07:26,039 --> 01:07:28,039
Speaker 3: I looked everyways, and I'm not going out there without

1561
01:07:28,039 --> 01:07:30,639
a big, big gun. And he goes, then get one,

1562
01:07:31,119 --> 01:07:34,400
and I like, I don't have one, and my buddy

1563
01:07:34,679 --> 01:07:35,920
that lives in our cort. He goes, well, I got

1564
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:38,760
a rifle you can use, and okay, so he gave

1565
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:41,199
me a rifle, some bullets and a camera, and so

1566
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:43,440
me and the sheriff walked back down to the spot,

1567
01:07:43,559 --> 01:07:46,280
you know, where where I'd seen it, and the tracks

1568
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:49,039
were still there and everything that they were just starting

1569
01:07:49,039 --> 01:07:50,880
to get covered up now because the snow is snowing,

1570
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:52,760
was just starting to snow pretty good at this point.

1571
01:07:53,159 --> 01:07:55,480
But so I saw them what happened everything. You still

1572
01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:57,360
see where it crushed through the ice, you know, and

1573
01:07:57,519 --> 01:08:00,400
there was god had to be eighteen inches you know

1574
01:08:00,559 --> 01:08:03,039
long the foot a crush through the ice, you know,

1575
01:08:03,119 --> 01:08:06,719
in several places. And and then you see that the

1576
01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:08,559
tracks disappeared as it went out more into the open

1577
01:08:08,559 --> 01:08:11,159
because it was snow was falling, you know, harder out there,

1578
01:08:11,199 --> 01:08:12,880
and so those tracks filled up pretty fast.

1579
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:15,280
Speaker 1: But so the sheriff took report.

1580
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:18,079
Speaker 3: And one thing I mentioned too, is that I was

1581
01:08:18,119 --> 01:08:21,439
able to see this thing so clear. At one point,

1582
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:23,479
I was laying in the snow when my dog got

1583
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:26,399
away from me the first first time, I literally had

1584
01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:29,039
to dive at her feet and grab her back legs

1585
01:08:29,079 --> 01:08:31,119
to keep this keep it from getting this going after

1586
01:08:31,159 --> 01:08:35,119
the sing, and when I did so, I fell face flat,

1587
01:08:35,239 --> 01:08:37,399
you know, in the snow. And I'm on my belly

1588
01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:40,000
holding my dog with my right arm holding my dog's

1589
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:42,680
rear leg, and the dog is like trying to pull

1590
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:45,640
so hard it's turning, trying to bite my hand because

1591
01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:47,640
I'm holding its leg, you know, if I didn't care,

1592
01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:49,079
because I knew if I let my dog go, it's

1593
01:08:49,079 --> 01:08:50,319
going to run right to the thing, and that thing

1594
01:08:50,319 --> 01:08:52,199
would probably just kill it in a second, you know.

1595
01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:54,600
And so I'm holding on my dog for its own life.

1596
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:56,760
He doesn't even realize that, but she doesn't realize that.

1597
01:08:57,479 --> 01:09:00,319
But at that point, I'm just I'm just I with

1598
01:09:00,359 --> 01:09:02,520
this thing. I'm staring straight at it, you know, whole

1599
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:05,479
time holding my dog. And that's when I noticed that

1600
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:07,359
it had on it on so it would be his

1601
01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:09,039
right side of his face and his mouth.

1602
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:10,119
Speaker 1: It's like a.

1603
01:09:10,119 --> 01:09:13,920
Speaker 3: Stream of like saliva or something like there was an

1604
01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:16,359
infection or some sort of drainage coming out of the

1605
01:09:16,359 --> 01:09:19,760
corner of his mouth, and it was it was stained

1606
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:22,800
like the hair, the facial hair. I remember, this was

1607
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:26,760
crystal clear in the snow. There was plenty of light

1608
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:29,000
I could see this. I'd see every detail of this

1609
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:34,159
thing absolutely perfectly clear. He had like some problem either

1610
01:09:34,199 --> 01:09:36,479
with a teeth, a tooth or some teeth on that

1611
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:39,680
side of his mouth, or something along the lines of

1612
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:42,479
an injury to the corner of his mouth whatever that

1613
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:44,479
was causing some sort of infection. And like it looked

1614
01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:46,960
like he had like plus and drainage going down the

1615
01:09:47,079 --> 01:09:49,680
chin and down into along the neck area, you know.

1616
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:52,000
And I remember that it would look like an older

1617
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:54,079
one too, because he was kind of old looking, you know.

1618
01:09:54,119 --> 01:09:56,920
He had had grizzled, grizzled face that had a great gray,

1619
01:09:58,279 --> 01:10:01,279
great dark like salt epper face. The hair in the

1620
01:10:01,279 --> 01:10:04,800
face had a really human, really human like features. The

1621
01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:07,319
nose is not flat like an ape nose. It was

1622
01:10:07,359 --> 01:10:10,000
it was like a pointed almost looked like like a

1623
01:10:10,079 --> 01:10:12,960
ski slope nose. It was like a pointed little elf

1624
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:18,680
nose almost, and high cheekbones. And and I and I can't,

1625
01:10:19,239 --> 01:10:21,600
I have to, I have to tell the truth. It

1626
01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:25,920
had a very tiny penis, a very tiny, little uncircumcised penis.

1627
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:26,800
Speaker 1: It was pointed.

1628
01:10:27,079 --> 01:10:29,920
Speaker 3: The penis, the tip of the penis looked like a

1629
01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:33,159
bunch of pointed shriveled skin, and it had a big

1630
01:10:33,199 --> 01:10:35,960
set of testicles that hung down behind that little penis,

1631
01:10:36,079 --> 01:10:38,960
and it was definitely a male, you know. And and

1632
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:41,279
that's when I just kind of it just blew my

1633
01:10:41,319 --> 01:10:43,119
mind and I'm just I'm looking at this thing, and

1634
01:10:43,159 --> 01:10:46,920
I can see it's genitalia, and I'm like, oh my god, this,

1635
01:10:47,479 --> 01:10:50,119
you know, And this thing literally as it went around

1636
01:10:50,199 --> 01:10:52,880
that corner. I didn't know whether or not I was,

1637
01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:55,640
you know, so glad to see it go, or I

1638
01:10:55,880 --> 01:10:58,520
just amazed that I just saw. I just actually saw

1639
01:10:59,119 --> 01:11:02,439
a real freaking' sasquat. I saw real, you know. I

1640
01:11:02,439 --> 01:11:04,880
didn't know whether it was the weirdest thing in the world, man.

1641
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:08,680
But when it started to dawn on me that if

1642
01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:10,279
you were to grabbed me or my dog down there,

1643
01:11:10,319 --> 01:11:11,920
there's no way my friends would be even know if

1644
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:13,520
they couldn't have hurt me from down there, they wouldn't.

1645
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:15,720
They didn't need to know which direction I went, you know,

1646
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:17,840
so they may not have found us for a long time,

1647
01:11:18,079 --> 01:11:20,439
you know, if they found us at all. So that

1648
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:23,600
that was another and that one that that was like

1649
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:25,640
the nail in the coffin for me. When it comes

1650
01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:28,760
to the woods, from that point on, Man, I am

1651
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:30,520
not going out in the woods at all without a gun.

1652
01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:32,359
I'm not going out there for any linked to time.

1653
01:11:32,359 --> 01:11:33,920
I may walk out there for a second look at

1654
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:35,600
the birds ors ay, and walk back. But I'll tell

1655
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:36,840
you right now, if I'm going out in the woods

1656
01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:38,760
for any length of time, I'm carrying a big gun

1657
01:11:39,319 --> 01:11:41,880
or lots of people with big guns, you know, because

1658
01:11:42,039 --> 01:11:44,920
that I know now that there's things out there that

1659
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:48,720
I can't explain and I and they're way way way

1660
01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:51,560
bigger than me, and they're way way way they look

1661
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:54,039
way way more powerful than I am. You know, I

1662
01:11:54,039 --> 01:11:56,279
don't care how big my gun is. I still I

1663
01:11:56,319 --> 01:11:58,079
can't even imagine trying to shoot one of those. I

1664
01:11:58,079 --> 01:12:01,800
think that would be like yourself up for just a

1665
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:04,800
really bad situation, you know. So I think it's just

1666
01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:08,039
best not to even be in there. Layer is let alone,

1667
01:12:08,079 --> 01:12:09,840
trying to go look for him. Man, that's crazy.

1668
01:12:11,359 --> 01:12:14,079
Speaker 2: Who could blame me for feeling that way? Having that

1669
01:12:14,119 --> 01:12:16,640
what's next? Mentality? I mean, first to see a dog

1670
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:20,720
man when you're fourteen, Now you have this sasquatch encounter,

1671
01:12:21,159 --> 01:12:25,359
what's next? I can understand why you wonder that. Yeah,

1672
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:26,640
I told my mom.

1673
01:12:27,199 --> 01:12:28,840
Speaker 3: I told my mom, man, next time, I need to

1674
01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:30,840
do a scene alien now and then I've seen it all,

1675
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:31,479
you know what I mean.

1676
01:12:32,439 --> 01:12:35,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's about right. Like I said, I can understand

1677
01:12:35,319 --> 01:12:38,279
you feeling that way. Well, Mike, it's about time for

1678
01:12:38,359 --> 01:12:40,520
us to get out of here. But before we do,

1679
01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:42,119
do you have any clothes in comments you'd like to

1680
01:12:42,159 --> 01:12:43,079
put out there for us?

1681
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:46,600
Speaker 3: No, I'm just I'm just glad that you're bringing awareness,

1682
01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:49,760
you know, to these things out there. I've learned a

1683
01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:52,079
little bit, you know, I definitely have, and I appreciate

1684
01:12:52,119 --> 01:12:54,600
that for you know, thank you, because it helped me

1685
01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:56,960
a little bit to know that, yeah, that he could.

1686
01:12:56,720 --> 01:12:58,680
Speaker 1: Have killed me if he wanted to. He really could have.

1687
01:12:59,239 --> 01:13:02,119
Speaker 3: You know, I think about it, and with all intention purposes,

1688
01:13:02,159 --> 01:13:04,159
he could have killed me, no problemly.

1689
01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:05,039
Speaker 1: But he didn't. He chose not to.

1690
01:13:05,119 --> 01:13:06,560
Speaker 3: They let he went the other way because I know

1691
01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:10,079
he had to smell me, so, you know, and me

1692
01:13:10,119 --> 01:13:12,880
and Troy, you know, and that so that was that

1693
01:13:13,039 --> 01:13:16,560
was that. So now I can understand it. If if

1694
01:13:16,680 --> 01:13:18,560
they're going to come out and attack me, it's for

1695
01:13:18,760 --> 01:13:21,199
it's for a good reason, you know, It's not I've done,

1696
01:13:21,279 --> 01:13:24,479
must have done something, you know, So I I definitely

1697
01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:26,159
have a little bit of enclosure to that.

1698
01:13:26,159 --> 01:13:28,039
Speaker 1: That's that's I like that. Thank you.

1699
01:13:29,199 --> 01:13:31,720
Speaker 2: Oh you're welcome. That's why I do this. And I'm

1700
01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:34,800
so glad. I'm so glad you understand this now. When

1701
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:37,159
we spoke for the first time, you're really shook up.

1702
01:13:37,199 --> 01:13:40,239
But as time has gone by, it sounds like you're

1703
01:13:40,279 --> 01:13:42,680
just getting a better and better grasp of what happened

1704
01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:45,680
and why what happened did So as long as we

1705
01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:47,720
can say that, then that's a great thing.

1706
01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:51,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, you know, I'm an educated man. I mean,

1707
01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:54,239
I've seen a lot of things in my life and

1708
01:13:54,239 --> 01:13:57,159
and you know, I would like to say that yeah, no,

1709
01:13:57,239 --> 01:13:58,920
I've never seen a big foot or dog. Man, I've

1710
01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:01,000
never seen one. No, you know, I like it, but

1711
01:14:01,199 --> 01:14:03,399
unfortunately I can't take back what I've seen. I can't

1712
01:14:03,439 --> 01:14:06,439
unsee what I saw, you know, And and that and

1713
01:14:06,479 --> 01:14:07,399
that's something.

1714
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:09,560
Speaker 1: It's weird. It's like a weird club, you know.

1715
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:12,079
Speaker 3: I kind of feel like, you know, there's a lot

1716
01:14:12,079 --> 01:14:15,359
of people in this club now, but not a lot.

1717
01:14:15,479 --> 01:14:17,199
And when it comes to the grand scheme of things

1718
01:14:17,239 --> 01:14:18,600
in the world, you know, I mean, it's it is

1719
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:21,640
a rare club, but still it is a club once

1720
01:14:21,720 --> 01:14:24,680
because once you're in it and things change exponentially. Man,

1721
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:26,920
you know, how you think of the Woods, how you do,

1722
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:28,760
what you're going to, how you plan to go into

1723
01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:31,239
the woods. It has for me at least, and you know,

1724
01:14:31,279 --> 01:14:34,000
and I've talked to people other people, you know, since

1725
01:14:34,039 --> 01:14:36,560
all this has happened that have been in situations like that,

1726
01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:37,840
and they're pretty much all the same.

1727
01:14:38,199 --> 01:14:41,199
Speaker 1: You know. The Woods have taken on a whole different,

1728
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:42,800
you know, appearance. Now.

1729
01:14:43,359 --> 01:14:45,680
Speaker 3: It's not as that safe shank story we used to

1730
01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:47,359
you know, look at it when we were kids, man,

1731
01:14:47,359 --> 01:14:49,239
because that was where I used to go get away

1732
01:14:49,239 --> 01:14:51,079
from everybody and go hang out and hide, you know,

1733
01:14:51,199 --> 01:14:52,479
not have to worry about anybody.

1734
01:14:53,199 --> 01:14:55,039
Speaker 1: That turned into just the opposite, you know.

1735
01:14:56,640 --> 01:15:00,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, And it goes without saying just I hate

1736
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:04,720
the fact that the Woods lost its innocence for you.

1737
01:15:04,920 --> 01:15:07,720
I mean, you LEAs still love spending time out there,

1738
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:10,960
that's plain to see, and for these things to happen

1739
01:15:11,039 --> 01:15:14,039
and take that away from you, it's just horrible. But

1740
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:16,760
there's nothing you can do about it except deal with

1741
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:18,960
it the best way, you know how, And as long

1742
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:21,720
as you're doing that then you're on the right track.

1743
01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:23,880
But having said that, Mike, I want to thank you

1744
01:15:23,960 --> 01:15:26,640
so much for coming on and sharing the details of

1745
01:15:26,680 --> 01:15:29,720
that experience and also your sasquatch experience with this. I

1746
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:30,760
really appreciate it.

1747
01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:33,960
Speaker 1: My pleasure, man, my pleasure feels good to finally be.

1748
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:36,399
Speaker 3: Able to tell it, you know, because it actually feels

1749
01:15:36,399 --> 01:15:38,720
like a weight off my chest because I tell these

1750
01:15:38,720 --> 01:15:41,720
seekerts for a long time, you know, and my buddies

1751
01:15:41,720 --> 01:15:43,800
are all the same way. They're like, you know, why

1752
01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:46,560
would you just because it's something you just don't tell people.

1753
01:15:46,600 --> 01:15:47,600
Speaker 1: Man, that's all you know.

1754
01:15:49,039 --> 01:15:54,319
Speaker 2: And understandably so for the aforementioned reasons, Mike thinks again,

1755
01:15:54,359 --> 01:15:56,760
so much for your time and have a great night.

1756
01:16:00,319 --> 01:16:02,880
Well that's another one in the books. If you've had

1757
01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:05,119
a Dogman encounter and would like to be a guest

1758
01:16:05,159 --> 01:16:07,640
on the show, or if you just need help dealing

1759
01:16:07,680 --> 01:16:11,359
with that encounter, please go to Dogmanencounters dot com and

1760
01:16:11,399 --> 01:16:13,960
submit a report. If you do that, then I'll be

1761
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:16,279
sure to get into contact with you to schedule a

1762
01:16:16,359 --> 01:16:19,920
film consultation and then we'll take it from there. But

1763
01:16:20,439 --> 01:16:23,720
having said that, thanks again so much for listening to everyone.

1764
01:16:23,800 --> 01:16:39,399
I really appreciate it, then have a great night.