Speaker 1: John Caldera from the Independence Institute.
Speaker 2: You've heard him?
Speaker 3: What was what was a spinal tap album? It was
Speaker 3: called Break Like the Wind.
Speaker 1: Yes, was that the one that Oh my gosh, big
Speaker 1: Bottoms was on. Yeah, I believe that's their big hits
Speaker 1: on that one.
Speaker 3: What a hit When you sing it to a woman,
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's probably the most romantic thing you
Speaker 3: can do.
Speaker 1: Oddly, John, I've had that song song to me and
Speaker 1: it's not it's not at all. So anyway, it just
Speaker 1: no god no, Although no, I was about to say
Speaker 1: something that was inappropriate about him, because Chuck is still
Speaker 1: alive is but he shows great appreciation for my booty.
Speaker 2: So there you go. That's we'll just leave it at that.
Speaker 2: We'll just just moving on.
Speaker 4: Can we get some detail on it?
Speaker 1: We're not we're not doing it. Was the Chuck Bot
Speaker 1: three thousand. Would you have a buddy Bot?
Speaker 2: Would you have a robot? Friend?
Speaker 4: John?
Speaker 2: Would you do that?
Speaker 4: Listen?
Speaker 3: The only reason I got a Apple phone was so
Speaker 3: that Syria could make Alexa jealous.
Speaker 2: I'm a lonly lonely man.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about you. But you're about to have a
Speaker 1: big party. Let's start with that. Then, we're gonna get
Speaker 1: to the Trump column. Why you're voting for Trump because
Speaker 1: I thought it was just so good. Not that I
Speaker 1: want to tell you that and inflate your ego even more.
Speaker 1: But let's talk about the ATF party first. Let's get
Speaker 1: that out of the way, because this is a super
Speaker 1: fun event.
Speaker 3: Well, twenty three years ago, we just had a wild hair.
Speaker 3: We getting tired of the nannyists telling us what we
Speaker 3: can't do, and.
Speaker 4: As adults, we thought, you know what, let's smoke, drink
Speaker 4: and shoot.
Speaker 3: So lo and behold came the alcohol, tobacco and firearms
Speaker 3: party at the Independence Institute. We're doing it on September fourteenth.
Speaker 3: You can go to our website thinkfreedom dot org, Thinkfreedom
Speaker 3: dot org. It's a fundraiser for us. And yes we
Speaker 3: do smoke, drink and shoot, sadly not in that order
Speaker 3: because of lawyers.
Speaker 4: But the spirit is there. We go out to Kiawa
Speaker 4: Creek Sporting Club.
Speaker 2: Spirits are there, are there?
Speaker 4: Very nice?
Speaker 2: Yes, Kiwa Creek is Dino mighte.
Speaker 1: If people have never been to Kyak Greek Sporting Class
Speaker 1: it is fantastic, great great events space.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's just it's just a class it's like
Speaker 3: a golf course for killing clay pigeons.
Speaker 5: It is you go, you relax, you have a cigar,
Speaker 5: and you kill some clay and then we we have
Speaker 5: spectacular speakers.
Speaker 4: We had a female speaker.
Speaker 1: I feel like you've downgraded a little this year though, because.
Speaker 4: We were going to the bottom, yeah, bottom barrel. Right
Speaker 4: there after we had Mandy Connell.
Speaker 3: There was this wine coming from your sisters station men.
Speaker 3: Look at me, so Michael Brown, one and only will
Speaker 3: who will join us as our as our guest of honor.
Speaker 3: And it's just it's just a good time, especially now
Speaker 3: with all the attacks on our gun rights, have, nannyism
Speaker 3: all that. It's just it's good to be around some
Speaker 3: people who well kind of thing the way.
Speaker 4: We do and enjoy the perks of adulthood.
Speaker 1: Exactly, and well adulthood at least after the shooting.
Speaker 2: So let me ask you this question. How much does
Speaker 2: it cost to participate? How you know?
Speaker 1: I also put a link on my blog at Mandy's
Speaker 1: blog dot com, so people can you.
Speaker 4: Can go to the website and find out.
Speaker 1: I've got it in front of me. I was trying
Speaker 1: to tee you up. I thought, you know, how much
Speaker 1: your own event costs the place. Well, I just think
Speaker 1: you have basic knowledge, right, I.
Speaker 4: Mean, how long? How long have you known each other?
Speaker 1: I try to give you credit, John, because I want
Speaker 1: you to be better than you are.
Speaker 2: Okay, half the price, I'm lifting you up.
Speaker 4: The price.
Speaker 1: It's one hundred bucks for the party goer ticket, and
Speaker 1: the five stand shooter ticket is two hundred bucks, and
Speaker 1: a regular shooter ticket.
Speaker 2: Which is all the stands and everything is.
Speaker 1: Five hundred bucks. So there you go. But and I
Speaker 1: want to throw this sat here. Let me do a
Speaker 1: little marketing for you, John.
Speaker 2: Okay, are you going to charge me? No, I'm not.
Speaker 2: This is a freebie. First one's free, okay.
Speaker 3: So uh.
Speaker 1: The Independence Institute does an incredible job doing the very
Speaker 1: thing that today there's a news article about. And apparently, John,
Speaker 1: our legislators do not like ballot initiatives, and that's just
Speaker 1: one of the things you guys do for society. You
Speaker 1: have been pushing and pushing and pushing for years and
Speaker 1: this money helps do that.
Speaker 3: We put things on the ballot, We fight bad ideas,
Speaker 3: we educate legislators, we do lawsuits. We have David Koppel,
Speaker 3: who is the country's renown second Amendment lawyer. Without him,
Speaker 3: the Heller decision would not have happened, and we wouldn't
Speaker 3: have an individual right.
Speaker 4: If you like things like.
Speaker 3: Charter schools, if you like things like term limits, if
Speaker 3: you like things like concealed carry, if you like things
Speaker 3: like the taxpayer Bill of Rights, all of those were
Speaker 3: birth at the Independence Institute and turn from an idea
Speaker 3: to reality. And so while we never take ourselves seriously,
Speaker 3: we always take our mission seriously, and we believe there
Speaker 3: is a path to free Colorado from this socialism that's
Speaker 3: enveloping it right now exactly.
Speaker 1: And as people are like, okay, who do I don't
Speaker 1: to fight back? You donate to the Independence Institute. This
Speaker 1: is literally what they do all day, every day. And
Speaker 1: if you don't want to just make a straight donation,
Speaker 1: go have some fun and shoot some stuff.
Speaker 4: And by the way, it's we've been around for nearly
Speaker 4: four decades.
Speaker 3: We are the only conservative libertarian organization that actually has
Speaker 3: a footprint brick and mortar building close to the Capitol
Speaker 3: the same way that all the leftist groups do.
Speaker 4: It's just amazing when you.
Speaker 3: Send a person to the Capitol as a representative, they
Speaker 3: turn left because it's like sending your kid to Berkeley.
Speaker 4: All they see in that bubble is the Takings Coalestion.
Speaker 3: About a decade ago, we bought a beautiful building down
Speaker 3: there that we use for events. We have studio space,
Speaker 3: we have meeting space, and we're there to say we're
Speaker 3: not going anywhere.
Speaker 2: You forgot about the war Room. I love the war room.
Speaker 4: You've been in the war room, in the war room.
Speaker 2: It's pretty pretty freaking cool. It makes me feel powerful.
Speaker 4: Actually it is. It is very cool.
Speaker 3: We were into zoom meetings and tele communications before COVID,
Speaker 3: and so we've got this thing that looks very much
Speaker 3: like the war Room and Doctor Strangelove.
Speaker 1: People are hitting the text line with messages for you, John,
Speaker 1: I miss John calderon kaway and then this one talk
Speaker 1: about mudflaps. My girls got him. So there we go
Speaker 1: a little of this, a little of that. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about the column you did last week about why you're
Speaker 1: voting for Trump, because I will tell you, and I'm
Speaker 1: being dead serious here, it resonated in my soul. I felt,
Speaker 1: I felt so very much in tune with that column
Speaker 1: because I like you. After January sixth was like, nope,
Speaker 1: I'm done. There's no way I could vote for him again.
Speaker 3: Never again. Not a never Trumper, but it never again Trumper.
Speaker 3: After his terrible handling of January sixth, it was just
Speaker 3: unforgivable that our top law enforcement official is hiding out
Speaker 3: and not going to a camera and microphone to stop
Speaker 3: these rioters for the better part of three hours.
Speaker 4: And I was like, this is it. I can't do it.
Speaker 3: I voted for you twice, but I can't do it again.
Speaker 3: And then I find myself now going Jesu Louise, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna vote for him a third time. And it's not
Speaker 3: because I'm voting for Trump. It's not even because I'm
Speaker 3: voting against Kamala. I'm voting against the entire system that
Speaker 3: creates the Biden's, Kamala's Obama's, and controls the media, controls
Speaker 3: the narratives, controls education, and has done so many things
Speaker 3: in the last several years to take away our rights,
Speaker 3: to separate us from society. You know, this is a
Speaker 3: machine that covered up, covered up Biden's complete dementia for
Speaker 3: three and a half years, yep, to the point where
Speaker 3: he proved it himself because he was off script for.
Speaker 4: An hour and a half. And then they turned on
Speaker 4: him like a bunch.
Speaker 3: Of jackal committed a coup and installed a candidate who
Speaker 3: never ran and won US primary.
Speaker 1: John I asked this question the other day on X
Speaker 1: and I'm being genuine, like, who decided that she was
Speaker 1: the candidate?
Speaker 2: Was that a zoom meeting?
Speaker 1: Was it a series of phone calls, a bunch of
Speaker 1: text messages between unelected people who somehow not only decided
Speaker 1: that she was going to be the candidate, they then
Speaker 1: whipped the entire democratic infrastructure behind her right in the.
Speaker 3: Same way did that in the same way they whipped
Speaker 3: the infrastructure behind Biden four years.
Speaker 1: But who was the decider? That's no one's talking about.
Speaker 1: That everyone's talking about. We all know who stabbed Joe
Speaker 1: Biden in the back. We know it was Nancy Pelosi's
Speaker 1: call that threatened him so severely that he finally dropped out.
Speaker 1: But we've got no information about the deciders of Kamala
Speaker 1: is our girl. We're gonna get everybody behind her, We're
Speaker 1: gonna shut down any insurrection. We're gonna make sure nobody
Speaker 1: wants a brokered convention, and we're gonna do it in
Speaker 1: three days.
Speaker 4: Who they all did that?
Speaker 3: They're the one factor that is not conspiratorial is, of
Speaker 3: course the money that given the hundreds of millions of
Speaker 3: dollars that the Biden Harris campaign collected, Harris is able
Speaker 3: to keep it and use it. If it was somebody else,
Speaker 3: they'd have to rebuild it very, very quickly. So out
Speaker 3: of expediency alone, she's our girl. How the media today
Speaker 3: is covering up her decades of socialistic policy and never
Speaker 3: forcing her to answer a question. That's the reason I'm
Speaker 3: voting for Donald Trump. And let me make this point clear.
Speaker 3: If you're like Mandy myself and we're like, I can't
Speaker 3: vote for this guy again, is it's just wrong.
Speaker 4: You don't have to in Colorado.
Speaker 3: You get a pass, and the pass is there's no
Speaker 3: way in hell Trump's going to win Colorado. Yeah, So
Speaker 3: if you want to have a protest vote, go have
Speaker 3: a protest vote.
Speaker 4: But you know what my protest vote is. My protest vote.
Speaker 3: Is going to be against this leviathan that continues to
Speaker 3: give us this permanent crisis.
Speaker 4: I call it perma crisis. Be scared, Be scared, Be scared.
Speaker 2: You're all gonna die. You're all gonna die.
Speaker 4: You're all gonna die.
Speaker 3: You're gonna die instead of freeing us. And so you
Speaker 3: know what, my protests vote and it's not gonna count,
Speaker 3: except maybe in that mythical popular vote that only reporters
Speaker 3: like to care about. But I'm I'm making my stand. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna vote for this guy. Here's how crazy trumpies are.
Speaker 3: So I wrote the column that you mentioned. I had
Speaker 3: the line about how I was so disappointed by his
Speaker 3: behavior in January sixth. So instead of the Trump he's going,
Speaker 3: thank you John. Other people who are on the fence
Speaker 3: read this column. They fought me over January sixth. They
Speaker 3: all wanted to go back and relitigate January sixth.
Speaker 4: You're idiots, you know what you know about this? And
Speaker 4: what about Nancy?
Speaker 3: Yeah, instead of I'm there looking at the social media
Speaker 3: tax on me, I'm thinking take the win.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: You just had a guy who said he'd never vote
Speaker 3: for Trump say that he is going to vote for Trump.
Speaker 4: Take the win.
Speaker 3: And it's like, this is why Colorado Republicans fail.
Speaker 4: This is why, this is why Dave Williams thinks he's
Speaker 4: still the still the chairman.
Speaker 1: I can't even talk about that whole just dumpster fire
Speaker 1: with I have come so close to cursing on the
Speaker 1: air over the Colorado GOP story that I have anything.
Speaker 1: In the last like five years, it has been really
Speaker 1: difficult to not share with people in all four letter
Speaker 1: word glory exactly how bad I think that situation is.
Speaker 3: I mean, let me give you, let me give you
Speaker 3: a raise, sunshiner, Okay, hit me, let me let me
Speaker 3: give you the joy I'm looking.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that Kamala has. This is a good thing.
Speaker 3: The destruction of the Republican Party is a good thing
Speaker 3: in Colorado because it has been failing, and it's been
Speaker 3: failing for a decade. It needs to be completely.
Speaker 4: Burnt to the ground.
Speaker 3: Those of us who believe in capitalism understand the concept
Speaker 3: of creative destruction.
Speaker 4: That's what this is.
Speaker 3: And what comes out of this in the coming years.
Speaker 1: Like Phoenix from the ashes John.
Speaker 4: Caldera, it will and it might.
Speaker 3: My suspicion, I put this out as a as a
Speaker 3: strong possibility Colorado could become the first unaffiliated state.
Speaker 4: What I mean by that is in the city centers, it's.
Speaker 3: Going to be hacked Democrats, and out in the rural areas.
Speaker 4: It's going to be Republicans.
Speaker 3: But in that swing area that the the area that
Speaker 3: controls everything. Suburban districts, female single mom dominated swing districts,
Speaker 3: They're gonna they're gonna get tired of both sides, and
Speaker 3: you're going to start to see I believe more unaffiliated candidates.
Speaker 3: When those are candidates in the legislation, will caucus with
Speaker 3: the Republicans on taxes, on regulation, on safety, on crime,
Speaker 3: and you'll probably join the Democrats when it's time to
Speaker 3: defend abortion rights or read or something. Fine, but I
Speaker 3: think that is going to be what we need to
Speaker 3: focus on. And there is no way that a party
Speaker 3: that says, let's go burn gay pride flags, you're never
Speaker 3: going to speak to those women.
Speaker 4: Well, last time, I'll say it this way.
Speaker 3: If you're in those districts and you're running as a Republican,
Speaker 3: instead of having an R behind your name right now,
Speaker 3: you might as well have a swastika behind your name
Speaker 3: because swing voters between Trump and abortion see Republicans that way.
Speaker 1: Well, let me just say this and then I'm gonna
Speaker 1: let you go because I got to do of the day.
Speaker 1: I would think that at this stage in the game,
Speaker 1: there is literally no benefit to running as a Republican,
Speaker 1: not just because of the swastika but because the state
Speaker 1: party is so dysfunctional, you're going to be left to
Speaker 1: your own devices anyway. So there's no upside to running
Speaker 1: with an arm beside your name.
Speaker 4: And that's that's especially in those districts.
Speaker 3: In a swing district, Uh, there's you know, if you're
Speaker 3: in a rural area, terrific, go fort go hardcore.
Speaker 4: Good for you, that's terrific. But yeah, what what do
Speaker 4: you get? Do you get money?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 4: You get called a rhino?
Speaker 3: You know, you get insulted because you don't pass the
Speaker 3: purity test.
Speaker 1: Dajoure yep, all right, John Caldera, we got to get
Speaker 1: people signed up for the ATF party happening on.
Speaker 2: The fourteenth of September.
Speaker 1: I put a link on the blog and a joy
Speaker 1: to talk to you is always You know, you could
Speaker 1: actually come in here to the studio one day.
Speaker 2: You could. You could make your happy way down.
Speaker 4: I could do that. But you want let's just say
Speaker 4: the host is a little handsy.
Speaker 2: Stop it. And you said you wouldn't say anything.
Speaker 4: I'm getting tired of that.
Speaker 2: Why didn't you know it?
Speaker 3: I'm tired of how you look at me when I'm
Speaker 3: in the studio.
Speaker 4: Because hey, lady, I'm up here.
Speaker 2: John Caldera, I'll talk to you later, my friend.
Speaker 4: Goodbye, have a good one.
Speaker 2: That is John Caldera being John