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<v Speaker 1>John Caldera from the Independence Institute.

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<v Speaker 2>You've heard him?

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<v Speaker 3>What was what was a spinal tap album? It was

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<v Speaker 3>called Break Like the Wind.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, was that the one that Oh my gosh, big

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<v Speaker 1>Bottoms was on. Yeah, I believe that's their big hits

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<v Speaker 1>on that one.

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<v Speaker 3>What a hit When you sing it to a woman,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, it's probably the most romantic thing you

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<v Speaker 3>can do.

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<v Speaker 1>Oddly, John, I've had that song song to me and

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<v Speaker 1>it's not it's not at all. So anyway, it just

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<v Speaker 1>no god no, Although no, I was about to say

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<v Speaker 1>something that was inappropriate about him, because Chuck is still

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<v Speaker 1>alive is but he shows great appreciation for my booty.

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<v Speaker 2>So there you go. That's we'll just leave it at that.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll just just moving on.

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<v Speaker 4>Can we get some detail on it?

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<v Speaker 1>We're not we're not doing it. Was the Chuck Bot

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<v Speaker 1>three thousand. Would you have a buddy Bot?

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<v Speaker 2>Would you have a robot? Friend?

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<v Speaker 4>John?

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<v Speaker 2>Would you do that?

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<v Speaker 4>Listen?

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<v Speaker 3>The only reason I got a Apple phone was so

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<v Speaker 3>that Syria could make Alexa jealous.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a lonly lonely man.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about you. But you're about to have a

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<v Speaker 1>big party. Let's start with that. Then, we're gonna get

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<v Speaker 1>to the Trump column. Why you're voting for Trump because

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it was just so good. Not that I

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<v Speaker 1>want to tell you that and inflate your ego even more.

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<v Speaker 1>But let's talk about the ATF party first. Let's get

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<v Speaker 1>that out of the way, because this is a super

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<v Speaker 1>fun event.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, twenty three years ago, we just had a wild hair.

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<v Speaker 3>We getting tired of the nannyists telling us what we

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<v Speaker 3>can't do, and.

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<v Speaker 4>As adults, we thought, you know what, let's smoke, drink

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<v Speaker 4>and shoot.

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<v Speaker 3>So lo and behold came the alcohol, tobacco and firearms

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<v Speaker 3>party at the Independence Institute. We're doing it on September fourteenth.

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<v Speaker 3>You can go to our website thinkfreedom dot org, Thinkfreedom

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<v Speaker 3>dot org. It's a fundraiser for us. And yes we

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<v Speaker 3>do smoke, drink and shoot, sadly not in that order

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<v Speaker 3>because of lawyers.

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<v Speaker 4>But the spirit is there. We go out to Kiawa

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<v Speaker 4>Creek Sporting Club.

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<v Speaker 2>Spirits are there, are there?

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<v Speaker 4>Very nice?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, Kiwa Creek is Dino mighte.

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<v Speaker 1>If people have never been to Kyak Greek Sporting Class

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<v Speaker 1>it is fantastic, great great events space.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's it's just it's just a class it's like

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<v Speaker 3>a golf course for killing clay pigeons.

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<v Speaker 5>It is you go, you relax, you have a cigar,

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<v Speaker 5>and you kill some clay and then we we have

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<v Speaker 5>spectacular speakers.

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<v Speaker 4>We had a female speaker.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like you've downgraded a little this year though, because.

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<v Speaker 4>We were going to the bottom, yeah, bottom barrel. Right

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<v Speaker 4>there after we had Mandy Connell.

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<v Speaker 3>There was this wine coming from your sisters station men.

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<v Speaker 3>Look at me, so Michael Brown, one and only will

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<v Speaker 3>who will join us as our as our guest of honor.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's just it's just a good time, especially now

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<v Speaker 3>with all the attacks on our gun rights, have, nannyism

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<v Speaker 3>all that. It's just it's good to be around some

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<v Speaker 3>people who well kind of thing the way.

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<v Speaker 4>We do and enjoy the perks of adulthood.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly, and well adulthood at least after the shooting.

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<v Speaker 2>So let me ask you this question. How much does

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<v Speaker 2>it cost to participate? How you know?

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<v Speaker 1>I also put a link on my blog at Mandy's

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<v Speaker 1>blog dot com, so people can you.

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<v Speaker 4>Can go to the website and find out.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got it in front of me. I was trying

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<v Speaker 1>to tee you up. I thought, you know, how much

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<v Speaker 1>your own event costs the place. Well, I just think

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<v Speaker 1>you have basic knowledge, right, I.

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<v Speaker 4>Mean, how long? How long have you known each other?

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<v Speaker 1>I try to give you credit, John, because I want

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<v Speaker 1>you to be better than you are.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, half the price, I'm lifting you up.

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<v Speaker 4>The price.

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<v Speaker 1>It's one hundred bucks for the party goer ticket, and

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<v Speaker 1>the five stand shooter ticket is two hundred bucks, and

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<v Speaker 1>a regular shooter ticket.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is all the stands and everything is.

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<v Speaker 1>Five hundred bucks. So there you go. But and I

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<v Speaker 1>want to throw this sat here. Let me do a

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<v Speaker 1>little marketing for you, John.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, are you going to charge me? No, I'm not.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a freebie. First one's free, okay.

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<v Speaker 3>So uh.

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<v Speaker 1>The Independence Institute does an incredible job doing the very

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<v Speaker 1>thing that today there's a news article about. And apparently, John,

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<v Speaker 1>our legislators do not like ballot initiatives, and that's just

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<v Speaker 1>one of the things you guys do for society. You

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<v Speaker 1>have been pushing and pushing and pushing for years and

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<v Speaker 1>this money helps do that.

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<v Speaker 3>We put things on the ballot, We fight bad ideas,

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<v Speaker 3>we educate legislators, we do lawsuits. We have David Koppel,

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<v Speaker 3>who is the country's renown second Amendment lawyer. Without him,

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<v Speaker 3>the Heller decision would not have happened, and we wouldn't

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<v Speaker 3>have an individual right.

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<v Speaker 4>If you like things like.

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<v Speaker 3>Charter schools, if you like things like term limits, if

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<v Speaker 3>you like things like concealed carry, if you like things

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<v Speaker 3>like the taxpayer Bill of Rights, all of those were

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<v Speaker 3>birth at the Independence Institute and turn from an idea

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<v Speaker 3>to reality. And so while we never take ourselves seriously,

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<v Speaker 3>we always take our mission seriously, and we believe there

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<v Speaker 3>is a path to free Colorado from this socialism that's

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<v Speaker 3>enveloping it right now exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>And as people are like, okay, who do I don't

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<v Speaker 1>to fight back? You donate to the Independence Institute. This

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<v Speaker 1>is literally what they do all day, every day. And

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<v Speaker 1>if you don't want to just make a straight donation,

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<v Speaker 1>go have some fun and shoot some stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>And by the way, it's we've been around for nearly

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<v Speaker 4>four decades.

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<v Speaker 3>We are the only conservative libertarian organization that actually has

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<v Speaker 3>a footprint brick and mortar building close to the Capitol

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<v Speaker 3>the same way that all the leftist groups do.

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<v Speaker 4>It's just amazing when you.

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<v Speaker 3>Send a person to the Capitol as a representative, they

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<v Speaker 3>turn left because it's like sending your kid to Berkeley.

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<v Speaker 4>All they see in that bubble is the Takings Coalestion.

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<v Speaker 3>About a decade ago, we bought a beautiful building down

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<v Speaker 3>there that we use for events. We have studio space,

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<v Speaker 3>we have meeting space, and we're there to say we're

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<v Speaker 3>not going anywhere.

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<v Speaker 2>You forgot about the war Room. I love the war room.

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<v Speaker 4>You've been in the war room, in the war room.

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<v Speaker 2>It's pretty pretty freaking cool. It makes me feel powerful.

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<v Speaker 4>Actually it is. It is very cool.

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<v Speaker 3>We were into zoom meetings and tele communications before COVID,

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<v Speaker 3>and so we've got this thing that looks very much

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<v Speaker 3>like the war Room and Doctor Strangelove.

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<v Speaker 1>People are hitting the text line with messages for you, John,

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<v Speaker 1>I miss John calderon kaway and then this one talk

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<v Speaker 1>about mudflaps. My girls got him. So there we go

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<v Speaker 1>a little of this, a little of that. Let's talk

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<v Speaker 1>about the column you did last week about why you're

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<v Speaker 1>voting for Trump, because I will tell you, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>being dead serious here, it resonated in my soul. I felt,

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<v Speaker 1>I felt so very much in tune with that column

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<v Speaker 1>because I like you. After January sixth was like, nope,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm done. There's no way I could vote for him again.

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<v Speaker 3>Never again. Not a never Trumper, but it never again Trumper.

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<v Speaker 3>After his terrible handling of January sixth, it was just

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<v Speaker 3>unforgivable that our top law enforcement official is hiding out

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<v Speaker 3>and not going to a camera and microphone to stop

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<v Speaker 3>these rioters for the better part of three hours.

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<v Speaker 4>And I was like, this is it. I can't do it.

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<v Speaker 3>I voted for you twice, but I can't do it again.

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<v Speaker 3>And then I find myself now going Jesu Louise, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>gonna vote for him a third time. And it's not

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<v Speaker 3>because I'm voting for Trump. It's not even because I'm

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<v Speaker 3>voting against Kamala. I'm voting against the entire system that

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<v Speaker 3>creates the Biden's, Kamala's Obama's, and controls the media, controls

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<v Speaker 3>the narratives, controls education, and has done so many things

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<v Speaker 3>in the last several years to take away our rights,

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<v Speaker 3>to separate us from society. You know, this is a

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<v Speaker 3>machine that covered up, covered up Biden's complete dementia for

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<v Speaker 3>three and a half years, yep, to the point where

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<v Speaker 3>he proved it himself because he was off script for.

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<v Speaker 4>An hour and a half. And then they turned on

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<v Speaker 4>him like a bunch.

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<v Speaker 3>Of jackal committed a coup and installed a candidate who

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<v Speaker 3>never ran and won US primary.

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<v Speaker 1>John I asked this question the other day on X

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm being genuine, like, who decided that she was

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<v Speaker 1>the candidate?

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<v Speaker 2>Was that a zoom meeting?

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<v Speaker 1>Was it a series of phone calls, a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>text messages between unelected people who somehow not only decided

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<v Speaker 1>that she was going to be the candidate, they then

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<v Speaker 1>whipped the entire democratic infrastructure behind her right in the.

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<v Speaker 3>Same way did that in the same way they whipped

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<v Speaker 3>the infrastructure behind Biden four years.

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<v Speaker 1>But who was the decider? That's no one's talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>That everyone's talking about. We all know who stabbed Joe

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<v Speaker 1>Biden in the back. We know it was Nancy Pelosi's

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<v Speaker 1>call that threatened him so severely that he finally dropped out.

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<v Speaker 1>But we've got no information about the deciders of Kamala

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<v Speaker 1>is our girl. We're gonna get everybody behind her, We're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna shut down any insurrection. We're gonna make sure nobody

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<v Speaker 1>wants a brokered convention, and we're gonna do it in

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<v Speaker 1>three days.

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<v Speaker 4>Who they all did that?

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<v Speaker 3>They're the one factor that is not conspiratorial is, of

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<v Speaker 3>course the money that given the hundreds of millions of

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<v Speaker 3>dollars that the Biden Harris campaign collected, Harris is able

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<v Speaker 3>to keep it and use it. If it was somebody else,

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<v Speaker 3>they'd have to rebuild it very, very quickly. So out

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<v Speaker 3>of expediency alone, she's our girl. How the media today

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<v Speaker 3>is covering up her decades of socialistic policy and never

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<v Speaker 3>forcing her to answer a question. That's the reason I'm

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<v Speaker 3>voting for Donald Trump. And let me make this point clear.

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<v Speaker 3>If you're like Mandy myself and we're like, I can't

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<v Speaker 3>vote for this guy again, is it's just wrong.

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<v Speaker 4>You don't have to in Colorado.

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<v Speaker 3>You get a pass, and the pass is there's no

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<v Speaker 3>way in hell Trump's going to win Colorado. Yeah, So

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<v Speaker 3>if you want to have a protest vote, go have

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<v Speaker 3>a protest vote.

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<v Speaker 4>But you know what my protest vote is. My protest vote.

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<v Speaker 3>Is going to be against this leviathan that continues to

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<v Speaker 3>give us this permanent crisis.

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<v Speaker 4>I call it perma crisis. Be scared, Be scared, Be scared.

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<v Speaker 2>You're all gonna die. You're all gonna die.

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<v Speaker 4>You're all gonna die.

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<v Speaker 3>You're gonna die instead of freeing us. And so you

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<v Speaker 3>know what, my protests vote and it's not gonna count,

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<v Speaker 3>except maybe in that mythical popular vote that only reporters

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<v Speaker 3>like to care about. But I'm I'm making my stand. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna vote for this guy. Here's how crazy trumpies are.

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<v Speaker 3>So I wrote the column that you mentioned. I had

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<v Speaker 3>behavior in January sixth. So instead of the Trump he's going,

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<v Speaker 3>thank you John. Other people who are on the fence

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<v Speaker 3>read this column. They fought me over January sixth. They

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<v Speaker 3>all wanted to go back and relitigate January sixth.

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<v Speaker 4>You're idiots, you know what you know about this? And

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<v Speaker 4>what about Nancy?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, instead of I'm there looking at the social media

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<v Speaker 3>tax on me, I'm thinking take the win.

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<v Speaker 3>You just had a guy who said he'd never vote

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<v Speaker 3>for Trump say that he is going to vote for Trump.

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<v Speaker 4>Take the win.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's like, this is why Colorado Republicans fail.

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<v Speaker 4>This is why, this is why Dave Williams thinks he's

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<v Speaker 4>still the still the chairman.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't even talk about that whole just dumpster fire

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<v Speaker 1>air over the Colorado GOP story that I have anything.

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<v Speaker 1>In the last like five years, it has been really

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<v Speaker 1>difficult to not share with people in all four letter

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<v Speaker 1>word glory exactly how bad I think that situation is.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, let me give you, let me give you

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<v Speaker 3>a raise, sunshiner, Okay, hit me, let me let me

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<v Speaker 3>give you the joy I'm looking.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, that Kamala has. This is a good thing.

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<v Speaker 3>The destruction of the Republican Party is a good thing

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<v Speaker 3>in Colorado because it has been failing, and it's been

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<v Speaker 3>failing for a decade. It needs to be completely.

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<v Speaker 4>Burnt to the ground.

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<v Speaker 3>Those of us who believe in capitalism understand the concept

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<v Speaker 3>of creative destruction.

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<v Speaker 4>That's what this is.

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<v Speaker 3>And what comes out of this in the coming years.

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<v Speaker 1>Like Phoenix from the ashes John.

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<v Speaker 4>Caldera, it will and it might.

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<v Speaker 3>My suspicion, I put this out as a as a

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<v Speaker 3>strong possibility Colorado could become the first unaffiliated state.

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<v Speaker 4>What I mean by that is in the city centers, it's.

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<v Speaker 3>Going to be hacked Democrats, and out in the rural areas.

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<v Speaker 4>It's going to be Republicans.

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<v Speaker 3>But in that swing area that the the area that

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<v Speaker 3>controls everything. Suburban districts, female single mom dominated swing districts,

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<v Speaker 3>They're gonna they're gonna get tired of both sides, and

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<v Speaker 3>you're going to start to see I believe more unaffiliated candidates.

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<v Speaker 3>When those are candidates in the legislation, will caucus with

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<v Speaker 3>the Republicans on taxes, on regulation, on safety, on crime,

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<v Speaker 3>and you'll probably join the Democrats when it's time to

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<v Speaker 3>defend abortion rights or read or something. Fine, but I

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<v Speaker 3>think that is going to be what we need to

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<v Speaker 3>focus on. And there is no way that a party

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<v Speaker 3>that says, let's go burn gay pride flags, you're never

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<v Speaker 3>going to speak to those women.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, last time, I'll say it this way.

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<v Speaker 3>If you're in those districts and you're running as a Republican,

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<v Speaker 3>instead of having an R behind your name right now,

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<v Speaker 3>you might as well have a swastika behind your name

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<v Speaker 3>because swing voters between Trump and abortion see Republicans that way.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, let me just say this and then I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>let you go because I got to do of the day.

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<v Speaker 1>I would think that at this stage in the game,

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<v Speaker 1>there is literally no benefit to running as a Republican,

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<v Speaker 1>not just because of the swastika but because the state

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<v Speaker 1>party is so dysfunctional, you're going to be left to

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<v Speaker 1>your own devices anyway. So there's no upside to running

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<v Speaker 4>And that's that's especially in those districts.

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<v Speaker 3>In a swing district, Uh, there's you know, if you're

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<v Speaker 3>in a rural area, terrific, go fort go hardcore.

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<v Speaker 4>Good for you, that's terrific. But yeah, what what do

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<v Speaker 4>you get? Do you get money?

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<v Speaker 2>Now?

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<v Speaker 4>You get called a rhino?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, you get insulted because you don't pass the

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<v Speaker 3>purity test.

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<v Speaker 1>Dajoure yep, all right, John Caldera, we got to get

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<v Speaker 1>people signed up for the ATF party happening on.

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<v Speaker 2>The fourteenth of September.

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<v Speaker 1>I put a link on the blog and a joy

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<v Speaker 1>to talk to you is always You know, you could

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<v Speaker 1>actually come in here to the studio one day.

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<v Speaker 2>You could. You could make your happy way down.

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<v Speaker 4>I could do that. But you want let's just say

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<v Speaker 4>the host is a little handsy.

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<v Speaker 2>Stop it. And you said you wouldn't say anything.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm getting tired of that.

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<v Speaker 2>Why didn't you know it?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm tired of how you look at me when I'm

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<v Speaker 3>in the studio.

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<v Speaker 4>Because hey, lady, I'm up here.

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<v Speaker 2>John Caldera, I'll talk to you later, my friend.

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<v Speaker 4>Goodbye, have a good one.

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<v Speaker 2>That is John Caldera being John
