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<v Speaker 1>I have a fifty five kerr ce de talk station.

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<v Speaker 1>Happy Wednesday to you. I was helping Tyler Gray was

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<v Speaker 1>going to be able to join us, but apparently Joe's

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<v Speaker 1>not able to reach him. Forging Chaos the name of

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<v Speaker 1>the book, he was apparently just an Delta Force operator.

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<v Speaker 1>He did all kinds of counter terrorism work, hunted down

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<v Speaker 1>bad guys and high value targets, bomb makers and warlords,

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<v Speaker 1>and he just was just in this high tension, constantly

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<v Speaker 1>adrenaline filled the service to his country and was severely

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<v Speaker 1>injured during a raid in Solder City, Iraq, which led

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<v Speaker 1>to him having to end his military career, which was

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<v Speaker 1>life changing. Oh he's he's there. Wonderful, wonderful Tyler Gray,

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<v Speaker 1>are you there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I'm here.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just describing your background. I was I was

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<v Speaker 1>thinking we weren't going to be able to get in

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<v Speaker 1>touch with you, because I think you're The point of

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<v Speaker 1>your book is so very important. I'm a huge supporter

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<v Speaker 1>of the American military. Veteran I've talked to so many

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<v Speaker 1>over the years. I didn't serve myself, which is why

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<v Speaker 1>I utilize a lot of the time on the Morning

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<v Speaker 1>show to help veterans. I promote the local Veterans Service

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<v Speaker 1>commissions and veterans issues and causes, and so your story,

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<v Speaker 1>I think is an extremely important one. You're a Delta

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<v Speaker 1>Force operator. You saw some serious, serious combat admission and

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<v Speaker 1>then tragedy hit you in is it Solder City?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, Yes, that's how I help you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so you're adrenaline's run in twenty four to seven

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<v Speaker 1>in your service for our country.

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<v Speaker 2>I presume, yes, that's a good way to put it.

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<v Speaker 2>Nature of the job.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think part of my understanding of what veterans

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<v Speaker 1>go through when they're out of the service, they're out

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<v Speaker 1>of the whole idea of the camaraderie. They've been kicking

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<v Speaker 1>doors in and facing danger at all times of the day.

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<v Speaker 1>And when you're out here, your trade, Sir Tyler Gray,

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<v Speaker 1>isn't really a val you outside of the military, and

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<v Speaker 1>so something has been taken away from you, but you,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess your brain has continued to be wired in

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<v Speaker 1>that high tension environment. The name of the book we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about here is Forged in Chaos, a Warrior's Origin story.

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<v Speaker 1>So explain, explain the situation why you're so involved in

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<v Speaker 1>advocating for veterans' mental health and PTSD, it's really important.

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<v Speaker 3>I think at this point there's been so much awareness

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<v Speaker 3>of the problem, and we've had a lot of awareness,

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<v Speaker 3>but at this point it really takes It really takes

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<v Speaker 3>somebody laying out what their experience has been and shining

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<v Speaker 3>the light on their experience to help lead others.

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<v Speaker 2>Down that same path.

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<v Speaker 3>So the book is about my experience and hopefully by

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<v Speaker 3>showing my experience that allows others to help them go

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<v Speaker 3>through the same thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I get the impression when you got back after

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<v Speaker 1>the military service because your injury, your your life kind

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<v Speaker 1>of unraveled.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>In what way were you impacted and how did the

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<v Speaker 1>this this change of circumstances environment as being out of

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<v Speaker 1>military service, how did it impact you for in the

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<v Speaker 1>downside your your experience with this PTSD concept.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think, as you said, it's for me.

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<v Speaker 2>The way it affected me is that.

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<v Speaker 3>A loss of identity, a loss of purpose And as

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<v Speaker 3>you said earlier, when you are, you know, wired for chaos,

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<v Speaker 3>when that's been your job for so long, it's very

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<v Speaker 3>difficult for you to suddenly be comfortable when everything is calm.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think a lot of people get the perception that

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Once you're out of that, you're no longer

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<v Speaker 1>your life is no longer constantly uh in jeopardy. That

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<v Speaker 1>you might embrace laying down in bed and being able

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<v Speaker 1>to go to sleep at night knowing that you don't

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<v Speaker 1>have to get called out in the middle of the

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<v Speaker 1>night with a bomb blowing off in the neighborhood, an

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<v Speaker 1>ied blowing up, or that you got to get up

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<v Speaker 1>in two hours to start kicking more doors in Fallujah

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's not the case, is it. No.

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<v Speaker 3>The best way I can say it is, once you're

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<v Speaker 3>a person that can operate in a chaotic environment, that

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<v Speaker 3>becomes your homeostasis, and it becomes very difficult for you,

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<v Speaker 3>once you're comfortable in chaos to suddenly be comfortable when

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<v Speaker 3>everything is calm.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I understand you develop what you call the LTSD theory.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you explain to my listeners, and there are a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of veterans in the listening audience right now, what

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<v Speaker 1>that is and what it means.

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<v Speaker 3>So going back to what I just said, it's LTSD.

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<v Speaker 3>PTSD is post traumatic stress disorder. Obviously, LTSD the concept

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<v Speaker 3>stands for lack of traumatic stress disorder, and I came

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<v Speaker 3>up with that because I realized that for myself, I

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<v Speaker 3>was more comfortable when everything was chaotic, with the environment

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<v Speaker 3>was chaos, I was calm, And when the environment was calm,

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<v Speaker 3>my brain was chaotic. And so I created chaos in

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<v Speaker 3>the environment in order to calm my mind because that

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<v Speaker 3>was what I was used to.

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<v Speaker 1>And a lot oftentimes this leads to self medication and

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<v Speaker 1>substance abuse.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you struggle with that as well?

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely for years, And it was a struggle that I

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<v Speaker 3>didn't know what I was fighting, and it took me

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<v Speaker 3>years to realize all all the different components of addiction.

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<v Speaker 3>And as you said, it's really the way I explained

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<v Speaker 3>addiction now is it is an external way to cope

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<v Speaker 3>with an internal emotional issue that you're not used to

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<v Speaker 3>being able. You need something external because you don't have

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<v Speaker 3>the internal tools to deal with those emotions.

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<v Speaker 1>Now in your book, Forged in Chaos Again, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>Tyler Gray probably served his country until he was wounded

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<v Speaker 1>in combat. Do you explain how you came I presume

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<v Speaker 1>that you came out the other side that you found

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<v Speaker 1>a coping mechanism. Was it therapy, was it working with

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<v Speaker 1>other veteran services, working at the VA, getting counseling, or

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<v Speaker 1>a combination of all those. How did you come out

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<v Speaker 1>the better side? And they were able to write about

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<v Speaker 1>it in your book.

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<v Speaker 3>For me, actually it was it was a little bit different,

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<v Speaker 3>and it was about looking in a different way that

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<v Speaker 3>I hadn't looked before. The simple way to put it

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<v Speaker 3>is that it is a combination.

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<v Speaker 2>You need.

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<v Speaker 3>You've got ten problems all happening at the same time,

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<v Speaker 3>and you have to treat everything relatively at one time

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<v Speaker 3>rather than just keeping them isolated. And you know, the

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<v Speaker 3>awareness and the treatments are at an all time high,

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<v Speaker 3>and yet the problem is getting worse. So for me,

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<v Speaker 3>it was a different paradigm and really understanding that I

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<v Speaker 3>had a mental and physical issue at the same time,

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<v Speaker 3>not just a mental one.

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<v Speaker 2>It requires a lot of introspection.

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<v Speaker 3>One hundred percent absolutely, And again to your point that introspection.

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<v Speaker 3>The work that I did, that's that's what I put

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<v Speaker 3>into the book, was the search I did for my

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<v Speaker 3>own answers hopefully will allow me to provide the answers

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<v Speaker 3>for others.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm glad you did it. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Was there a point in this this difficult post? Uh uh,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll say combat or post military experience, where you're going

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<v Speaker 1>through all these these challenges, was there like a moment

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<v Speaker 1>in time, a moment of clarity where you you sort

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<v Speaker 1>of the light went on and you realize that this

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<v Speaker 1>you were struggling with, this, this post chaos syndrome.

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<v Speaker 3>There there were multiple different, you know, awarenesses, but there

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<v Speaker 3>was one fundamental moment that I detail in the book

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<v Speaker 3>where I came up I did something not normal, and

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<v Speaker 3>that was kind of when me trying to figure out

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<v Speaker 3>why I did what I did is where I came

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<v Speaker 3>up with the LTSP concept.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I certainly I'm strongly encouraged my listening audience and

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<v Speaker 1>who have veterans in their lives that may they may

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<v Speaker 1>know are struggling to get a copy of the book,

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<v Speaker 1>because clearly this is going to help them maybe come

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<v Speaker 1>up with their own moment of clarity and help them

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<v Speaker 1>with their own introspection to get over their problems. You're right,

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<v Speaker 1>there's so many out there, and I'm actually glad that

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<v Speaker 1>at least we're having conversations these days about this as

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<v Speaker 1>opposed to just suck it up and get over it,

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<v Speaker 1>which used to be the old way and the old

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<v Speaker 1>attitude getting treatment, talking to people, and the veteran of

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<v Speaker 1>the VA I know has has some help and services

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<v Speaker 1>available for folks struggling with these challenges. But at least

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<v Speaker 1>it's accepted now that veterans go through this and it's

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<v Speaker 1>not looked down upon, and you're only helping us move

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<v Speaker 1>forward and find answers and solutions. Tyler Gray, it's been

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<v Speaker 1>a real pleasure having you on. I want to thank

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<v Speaker 1>you from the bottom of my heart on behalf of

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<v Speaker 1>all my listening audience for your service to our country.

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<v Speaker 1>Although it did lead to some problems and challenges forged

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<v Speaker 1>in chaos, a warrior's origin story may very well help

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<v Speaker 1>others since you went through some terrible times and are

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<v Speaker 1>sharing your experience with everybody else.