WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.440 --> 00:00:02.439 NBA started last night. 2 00:00:02.600 --> 00:00:05.280 The Utah Jazz open up their season this evening against 3 00:00:05.280 --> 00:00:05.879 the Grizzlies. 4 00:00:05.919 --> 00:00:07.639 Pit Bull is on my radio show. 5 00:00:07.719 --> 00:00:12.560 It must mean the triumphant return of one Zach Harper 6 00:00:12.839 --> 00:00:14.000 on a beautiful Wednesday. 7 00:00:14.080 --> 00:00:15.240 Zach, I love you, I hate you. 8 00:00:15.279 --> 00:00:17.839 How are you? I'm great? I love you and I 9 00:00:17.879 --> 00:00:20.440 love you. You know, no hatred here, even though you're 10 00:00:20.440 --> 00:00:23.120 wrong about pit Bull. A concert happened yet in Salt 11 00:00:23.199 --> 00:00:23.640 Lake City. 12 00:00:24.039 --> 00:00:26.280 I wouldn't know if it did, Buddy. That's where I'm 13 00:00:26.280 --> 00:00:27.000 at with pit Bull. 14 00:00:27.640 --> 00:00:28.399 The perfect cover. 15 00:00:29.039 --> 00:00:31.199 How you been man, I'm good man. 16 00:00:31.480 --> 00:00:34.000 You know. I try to take time and not get 17 00:00:34.039 --> 00:00:38.960 excited about the season until like opening night, and yesterday 18 00:00:39.039 --> 00:00:41.119 I was geeks for it. I was so excited that 19 00:00:41.159 --> 00:00:43.799 everything was back, and I'm here for well. Tonight's games 20 00:00:43.840 --> 00:00:45.560 are terrible, but for the most part, I'm here for 21 00:00:45.679 --> 00:00:47.600 the return of everything for sure. 22 00:00:47.840 --> 00:00:50.039 And I follow you, follow you on social So you 23 00:00:50.079 --> 00:00:53.719 had a rather eventful off season, mister world traveler, tell 24 00:00:53.799 --> 00:00:55.399 us give us the cliff notes. 25 00:00:56.079 --> 00:00:58.719 You know, much like much like Pitbull, I was trying 26 00:00:58.719 --> 00:01:02.159 to be mister worldwide. Uh. I went to Europe, I 27 00:01:02.200 --> 00:01:04.560 went to Amsterdam, I went to Copenhagen. I went to Prague, 28 00:01:04.599 --> 00:01:06.560 I went to Paris, I went to London. I was everywhere. 29 00:01:07.519 --> 00:01:09.879 Now has your palette changed? That's the number one thing 30 00:01:09.879 --> 00:01:12.120 that changes when you travel travel internationally. 31 00:01:13.439 --> 00:01:16.599 I mean, I like, I learned about some you know, 32 00:01:17.239 --> 00:01:19.680 check or Czech Republic, Chech food. I don't know. I 33 00:01:19.719 --> 00:01:20.840 don't know what. I don't know what you call it, 34 00:01:20.920 --> 00:01:23.959 Chech food, prog food. I learned about some stuff, and 35 00:01:24.000 --> 00:01:27.120 I wasn't a huge fan. I was reinforced on all 36 00:01:27.200 --> 00:01:32.719 things French cooking, and then just very surprised how into 37 00:01:32.840 --> 00:01:37.079 Italian food that Amsterdam was ah a lot of and 38 00:01:37.159 --> 00:01:40.840 also in Copenhagen apparently known for hot dogs. 39 00:01:41.760 --> 00:01:42.439 I did not know that. 40 00:01:42.439 --> 00:01:44.560 I've only been to the airport in Amsterdam, so I 41 00:01:44.599 --> 00:01:46.480 haven't really sampled the cuisine. 42 00:01:46.560 --> 00:01:47.280 But we can move on. 43 00:01:47.359 --> 00:01:49.959 Nobody gives a rip outside of me. But it's my show, Zach, 44 00:01:50.079 --> 00:01:53.400 as you know. So indeed, so we sit here opening 45 00:01:53.480 --> 00:01:55.879 night for the Utah Jazz. We'll start locally and then 46 00:01:55.959 --> 00:01:59.519 we'll expand it to some other topics and conversation around 47 00:01:59.560 --> 00:02:03.159 the NBA. They essentially ran it back with three new rookies, 48 00:02:03.599 --> 00:02:07.760 Justin Zanik for his preseason media availability. When asked about 49 00:02:07.799 --> 00:02:10.319 the big game hunting Moniker, he said, we tried and 50 00:02:10.360 --> 00:02:12.840 there was nothing out there. Well, I'll leave aside the 51 00:02:12.879 --> 00:02:15.599 fifteen really good players that actually did move. I guess 52 00:02:15.599 --> 00:02:18.159 what he's saying is there was nothing out there that 53 00:02:18.319 --> 00:02:20.919 was worth it to sacrifice. You know, the assets they 54 00:02:20.960 --> 00:02:23.840 have Vegas over under is twenty nine and a half, 55 00:02:23.960 --> 00:02:26.919 So they think we're in for another year of maybe 56 00:02:26.960 --> 00:02:30.479 some decent basketball, but mostly mediocre basketball. Their pick is 57 00:02:30.520 --> 00:02:32.479 top ten protected. If it's out of the top ten, 58 00:02:32.520 --> 00:02:35.960 it goes to OKC. I know this sounds like we're just, 59 00:02:36.400 --> 00:02:38.879 you know, replaying an interview we did last October, but 60 00:02:38.919 --> 00:02:40.560 we're kind of in the same spots, ac, What are 61 00:02:40.560 --> 00:02:41.639 you expecting from the Jazz. 62 00:02:42.120 --> 00:02:44.080 I feel like we're the two radio guys and in 63 00:02:44.120 --> 00:02:46.639 the movie groundhog Day, just yelling in the groundhog Day. 64 00:02:46.759 --> 00:02:49.840 Yeah right right, yeah, yeah. 65 00:02:49.840 --> 00:02:52.199 I mean where this is where the Jazz exists. They 66 00:02:52.240 --> 00:02:53.680 don't want to do a full tank. They want to 67 00:02:53.719 --> 00:02:57.960 be competitive. I expect a lot of like the same 68 00:02:58.000 --> 00:02:59.800 as the last two years. Like, I think they'll be 69 00:03:00.400 --> 00:03:02.840 surprisingly good to a lot of people outside of the 70 00:03:03.560 --> 00:03:05.560 Salt Lake City market, right, I think a lot of 71 00:03:05.560 --> 00:03:07.840 people are expecting, oh, well, the jazz they're rebuilding, they'll 72 00:03:07.840 --> 00:03:09.800 be bad, and in the first couple of months they'll 73 00:03:09.800 --> 00:03:12.159 be pretty competitive, pretty good, and then at a certain point, 74 00:03:12.479 --> 00:03:14.680 I don't know it's called January, it's called it February, 75 00:03:15.840 --> 00:03:19.919 you'll see them turned towards quote unquote development. I think 76 00:03:19.960 --> 00:03:23.080 part you know, the rosters. The roster's good, like they 77 00:03:23.159 --> 00:03:26.319 if they stayed healthy like that roster could compete for 78 00:03:26.360 --> 00:03:29.039 a playing tournament spot in most years, except this year, 79 00:03:29.080 --> 00:03:32.439 it's going to be like thirteen teams competing for a 80 00:03:32.479 --> 00:03:36.639 playing tournament spot. So it's a little more crowded. But 81 00:03:37.000 --> 00:03:40.639 you know, especially like last year is whatever, right, Like 82 00:03:40.680 --> 00:03:43.680 the rookie class was terrible the year before. You and 83 00:03:43.759 --> 00:03:47.280 I had talked about that, and I kept quoting Marcellus 84 00:03:47.280 --> 00:03:50.080 Wallace from Fault Fiction saying, like that ceiling in the 85 00:03:50.080 --> 00:03:51.919 back of your head when you try to win this thing, 86 00:03:52.000 --> 00:03:54.919 that's pride bleeping with you. Like that, it feels like 87 00:03:54.919 --> 00:03:59.680 we're in the same spot because this draft class has four, five, 88 00:04:00.080 --> 00:04:02.560 six guys who could be franchise players at some point. 89 00:04:02.599 --> 00:04:04.919 I mean, it's you know, it's probably don't all pan 90 00:04:05.039 --> 00:04:08.400 out that way. But it's pretty deep with possibilities, and 91 00:04:08.439 --> 00:04:11.680 so you know it has and you're trying to rebuild 92 00:04:11.719 --> 00:04:13.919 and you're trying to do it, you know the right way, 93 00:04:13.960 --> 00:04:16.920 but stay can you just got to let you got 94 00:04:16.920 --> 00:04:19.000 to let it go at some point and just be bad. 95 00:04:20.279 --> 00:04:21.399 And that's where I've been at. 96 00:04:21.519 --> 00:04:24.680 But they disagree and they run the show and they've 97 00:04:24.759 --> 00:04:27.120 yet to hire us as their consultants even though our 98 00:04:27.160 --> 00:04:28.160 business is out there. 99 00:04:28.199 --> 00:04:30.480 Just go ahead and hit us up on the socials too. Yeah, 100 00:04:30.519 --> 00:04:32.639 I know, man, and they're blowing it by not bringing 101 00:04:32.720 --> 00:04:32.959 us in. 102 00:04:33.040 --> 00:04:36.160 But ultimately, since you and I last spoke, they did 103 00:04:36.199 --> 00:04:39.079 bring back Marketing in on a max deal. 104 00:04:39.199 --> 00:04:40.759 And that's who he is in the league, and that's 105 00:04:40.800 --> 00:04:41.720 who he is to this team. 106 00:04:42.199 --> 00:04:44.199 Do you have any insight as to whether or not 107 00:04:44.279 --> 00:04:46.759 they were ever close to actually pulling the trigger on 108 00:04:46.839 --> 00:04:47.480 a move with him? 109 00:04:47.480 --> 00:04:50.240 And what do you make of who they perceive to be? 110 00:04:50.279 --> 00:04:51.279 And look, he's really good. 111 00:04:51.319 --> 00:04:53.480 I don't want to come across like I'm knocking on 112 00:04:53.519 --> 00:04:54.680 Marketing because he's awesome. 113 00:04:55.240 --> 00:04:55.439 Uh. 114 00:04:55.480 --> 00:04:58.519 They talk about him as if he's a legitimate cornerstone. 115 00:04:58.560 --> 00:05:00.439 I think he's more like the third best player on 116 00:05:00.480 --> 00:05:02.519 a title winning team. But they're not close to that. 117 00:05:03.160 --> 00:05:05.120 So do you have any insight as far as how 118 00:05:05.120 --> 00:05:06.839 close they were to movie him and what are your 119 00:05:06.839 --> 00:05:10.720 thoughts on them committeing a big portion of their cap 120 00:05:10.759 --> 00:05:11.759 to him in the future. 121 00:05:12.360 --> 00:05:16.000 I don't think it got particularly close, you know, I know, 122 00:05:16.079 --> 00:05:19.160 I know Sacramento called in, I know, you know the 123 00:05:19.199 --> 00:05:22.639 Warriors were heavily involved, but you know, some other teams 124 00:05:22.680 --> 00:05:27.639 were were definitely interested. But you get into this negotiating 125 00:05:27.680 --> 00:05:29.839 standoff and it happens a lot. It's not just a 126 00:05:29.959 --> 00:05:32.879 Danny Ainger a jazz thing, but you get into the 127 00:05:32.920 --> 00:05:37.040 standoff where, hey, this is our guy. We like him 128 00:05:37.040 --> 00:05:40.519 a lot, We're gonna max him out. He you know, 129 00:05:40.600 --> 00:05:43.160 he's he's an all star, he's an all NBA level player. 130 00:05:43.680 --> 00:05:46.160 We want all these assets, we want all these things 131 00:05:46.199 --> 00:05:48.720 in return. And the other team looks at them like, yeah, 132 00:05:48.720 --> 00:05:50.600 we like him, but he's not our number one. We're 133 00:05:50.639 --> 00:05:52.199 not gonna give up all that. You know, you just 134 00:05:52.199 --> 00:05:56.920 get into this this just ping pong negotiation. And I 135 00:05:56.959 --> 00:05:59.720 think because of what Utah was asking for, and I 136 00:05:59.759 --> 00:06:02.199 don't them you should ask for a lot, especially in 137 00:06:02.199 --> 00:06:04.759 the summer when deals are more, you know, are easier 138 00:06:04.759 --> 00:06:08.839 to get done. I just I don't think it ever 139 00:06:08.920 --> 00:06:12.439 really got close. He is a really good player. I'm 140 00:06:12.439 --> 00:06:14.279 with you, Like I think he's probably a number two 141 00:06:15.040 --> 00:06:17.040 on a title contending team. I don't. I definitely don't 142 00:06:17.040 --> 00:06:19.360 think he's the number one. But he's he's awesome, Like 143 00:06:19.600 --> 00:06:22.279 he's so good, and so they bring, you know, they 144 00:06:22.319 --> 00:06:25.839 bring him back on this max deal and it and 145 00:06:25.839 --> 00:06:28.519 it eliminates all the trade chatter for this year and 146 00:06:28.600 --> 00:06:31.319 we'll revisit next summer and see, you know, when when 147 00:06:31.399 --> 00:06:33.800 the dust starts to settle, who really wants to go 148 00:06:33.839 --> 00:06:34.319 get them? 149 00:06:34.959 --> 00:06:39.360 So xanik Age, even Ryan Smith, the owner, whenever they're 150 00:06:39.399 --> 00:06:40.680 asked about kind of the. 151 00:06:40.720 --> 00:06:44.480 Plan for this season, they refer to. 152 00:06:44.319 --> 00:06:47.040 The youth and they talk about development, and they've all said, 153 00:06:47.560 --> 00:06:50.279 with some small variation with each, like, the only way 154 00:06:50.319 --> 00:06:52.720 to develop our young players is to play them. 155 00:06:53.040 --> 00:06:55.920 So there are seven players twenty three or under. 156 00:06:56.680 --> 00:06:59.160 It's Walker Kessler is the oldest, and obviously all these 157 00:06:59.240 --> 00:07:01.079 rookies all the way down to Isaiah Callier. 158 00:07:01.519 --> 00:07:03.439 The question is Will Hardy. 159 00:07:03.279 --> 00:07:05.879 Right, because ultimately the rotation is going to be up 160 00:07:05.920 --> 00:07:10.120 to him, and so do you anticipate Will leaning into 161 00:07:10.160 --> 00:07:12.920 simply developing young players, and on the night that Isaiah 162 00:07:12.920 --> 00:07:16.639 Colliers one for seventeen and isn't gonna impact winning, will 163 00:07:16.680 --> 00:07:19.560 he allow these young players to play through mistakes? Are 164 00:07:19.600 --> 00:07:22.319 we gonna have to suffer? Hearing David Locke breaking down 165 00:07:22.319 --> 00:07:25.480 the Patty Mills Drew Eubanks pick and roll ratio in 166 00:07:25.519 --> 00:07:27.680 the third quarter because he goes to the vets, I mean, 167 00:07:27.680 --> 00:07:29.160 I'm wondering how Will's going to handle this? 168 00:07:30.040 --> 00:07:33.240 Yeah, I mean I think Will. I think, you know, 169 00:07:33.560 --> 00:07:35.560 like I do think they empower Will from what I hear, 170 00:07:35.800 --> 00:07:39.040 and I think they should. I think at a certain 171 00:07:39.040 --> 00:07:42.319 point it won't be up to Will as much, right 172 00:07:42.560 --> 00:07:45.600 in terms of like, hey, you know, we're five ten 173 00:07:45.680 --> 00:07:47.959 games under five hundred. It's the middle of the season. 174 00:07:48.120 --> 00:07:52.879 We're good, but we're not terrible. You know, maybe we 175 00:07:52.959 --> 00:07:55.319 start focusing, maybe this guy is a little injured, maybe 176 00:07:55.319 --> 00:07:58.000 we trade away this guy. But I think eventually, you 177 00:07:58.240 --> 00:08:00.439 it's just a lot of what happened last two years, 178 00:08:00.439 --> 00:08:03.040 like you go towards that. I think I think Will 179 00:08:03.079 --> 00:08:05.279 would you know we thought it with Chanta George. Actually 180 00:08:05.319 --> 00:08:08.240 think Chianta George is a perfect example. Last year there 181 00:08:08.240 --> 00:08:10.399 were times where he showed glimpses early on. I'm like, Yo, 182 00:08:10.439 --> 00:08:12.279 this kid is good. This kid deserves to be on 183 00:08:12.279 --> 00:08:13.839 the court. And there were times where he played and 184 00:08:13.839 --> 00:08:16.800 you were like, I don't know why he's out there, right. 185 00:08:16.959 --> 00:08:19.600 I mean, it was more good than bad. But he 186 00:08:19.680 --> 00:08:21.600 was a rookie. He was a rookie point guard, and 187 00:08:21.639 --> 00:08:23.680 I think it led to that kind of ebb and flow, 188 00:08:23.720 --> 00:08:26.360 and he's stuck with him. But I don't think everyone 189 00:08:26.439 --> 00:08:30.040 gets that same luxury as Kante George gotten, nor should 190 00:08:30.079 --> 00:08:31.800 I do. I think they should, because I don't know 191 00:08:31.839 --> 00:08:35.639 how many of these guys are are ready to kind 192 00:08:35.639 --> 00:08:38.799 of deal with the lows when also going through the hives. 193 00:08:38.840 --> 00:08:41.120 And so that's a long winded way of saying I 194 00:08:41.200 --> 00:08:43.120 don't know, but I think it will be taken out 195 00:08:43.120 --> 00:08:44.440 of his hands at some point. 196 00:08:44.759 --> 00:08:47.279 Yeah, let's let's dig into Kiante a little bit. 197 00:08:47.440 --> 00:08:49.320 So the fact of the matter is, and you brought 198 00:08:49.320 --> 00:08:51.080 this up a couple of times, he was not a 199 00:08:51.080 --> 00:08:54.120 great shot maker in college, and he was not a 200 00:08:54.159 --> 00:08:56.440 great shot maker his rookie year, even though he had 201 00:08:56.440 --> 00:08:58.879 some volume in some usage. I mean, he averaged eleven 202 00:08:58.919 --> 00:09:01.240 field goal attempts to knife, but shot thirty nine percent 203 00:09:01.720 --> 00:09:04.360 shot six threes and I but only shot thirty three percent. 204 00:09:04.879 --> 00:09:06.440 You like the body you like to build. 205 00:09:06.600 --> 00:09:09.720 I still am a little bit skeptical about his ability 206 00:09:09.759 --> 00:09:12.440 to lead a team as a lead guard. Will continuously 207 00:09:12.519 --> 00:09:15.679 talks about not using labels and it doesn't matter who 208 00:09:15.679 --> 00:09:18.080 initiates the offense. That's fine, but somebody still got to 209 00:09:18.080 --> 00:09:21.120 make a play. So your two keyante, George, what do 210 00:09:21.120 --> 00:09:21.840 you think it looks like? 211 00:09:23.000 --> 00:09:24.960 I mean, I think I think it looks you know, 212 00:09:25.000 --> 00:09:27.200 I think it looks a lot better I you know, 213 00:09:27.279 --> 00:09:31.360 he it's it's weird. It's with him, everything looks good 214 00:09:31.360 --> 00:09:35.519 in terms of creation and ability, Like he creates a 215 00:09:35.559 --> 00:09:37.559 shot that I think is like that's a good shot, 216 00:09:37.639 --> 00:09:39.440 and it just doesn't go down. I don't look at 217 00:09:39.440 --> 00:09:42.080 his shooting form and think, God, it needs an overhaul, 218 00:09:42.519 --> 00:09:44.440 right Like I look at him like, yeah, it's pretty good. 219 00:09:44.519 --> 00:09:46.480 Like his shooting forward is pretty good. He seems pretty comfortable. 220 00:09:46.480 --> 00:09:48.639 He seems comfortable attacking the basket. He seems comfortable in 221 00:09:48.639 --> 00:09:51.200 the middle of the floor. But the results aren't there 222 00:09:51.240 --> 00:09:55.039 in terms of shot making. I like their approach with 223 00:09:55.159 --> 00:09:57.360 him of just kind of letting him figure it out. 224 00:09:57.799 --> 00:10:02.200 But you probably only have another season until that's the problem. Right, 225 00:10:02.320 --> 00:10:04.840 Like he's he's good, Like he has great poise for 226 00:10:04.879 --> 00:10:07.720 being a you know, going into his second years as 227 00:10:07.759 --> 00:10:11.120 a lead guard. He like he's he's got a good build, 228 00:10:11.240 --> 00:10:14.480 like he's you know, everything is, everything looks like he's 229 00:10:14.519 --> 00:10:18.159 a player. But if that shot doesn't start falling and 230 00:10:18.320 --> 00:10:21.679 isn't progressing, and the finishing at the rim isn't progressing, 231 00:10:21.720 --> 00:10:25.759 like all that stuff isn't progressing as this season goes on, yeah, 232 00:10:25.799 --> 00:10:28.000 like early on next season, if that's still an issue, 233 00:10:28.039 --> 00:10:29.960 you have to be concerned. I don't think there's anything 234 00:10:29.960 --> 00:10:32.200 to be concerned about right now, but it is weird 235 00:10:32.200 --> 00:10:35.039 that everything looks so good and the results in terms 236 00:10:35.039 --> 00:10:38.879 of just accuracy don't come close to mirroring that. 237 00:10:39.799 --> 00:10:43.200 So it's a big year for Walker because ultimately, you know, 238 00:10:43.360 --> 00:10:45.799 year three rookie year, they did pick up his option, 239 00:10:45.919 --> 00:10:48.240 which isn't a surprise so beyond the team next year, 240 00:10:48.840 --> 00:10:51.879 but second Rookie of the Year voting shout out Andy Larson, 241 00:10:51.960 --> 00:10:53.600 who voted for him for Rookie of the Year. 242 00:10:53.679 --> 00:10:54.639 Oh Andy, God bless you. 243 00:10:54.720 --> 00:10:57.039 He was never gonna be that uh and the year 244 00:10:57.200 --> 00:10:59.519 one to year two jump was not there all of 245 00:10:59.559 --> 00:11:02.000 his numbers dip outside of blocks per game, but the 246 00:11:02.120 --> 00:11:05.759 opponent's field goal percentage at the rim actually improved a lot. 247 00:11:05.840 --> 00:11:07.559 So he was blocking shots. 248 00:11:07.559 --> 00:11:09.519 But not affecting them in a way that he did 249 00:11:10.080 --> 00:11:13.679 as a rookie. So for Walker to convince the organization 250 00:11:13.879 --> 00:11:16.240 that he's not just a guy in a rotational piece, 251 00:11:16.279 --> 00:11:18.080 but a guy that you can start and roll with, 252 00:11:18.159 --> 00:11:19.600 what does this year have to look like? 253 00:11:21.480 --> 00:11:23.960 I mean, you know, it starts with health obviously, but 254 00:11:24.159 --> 00:11:26.600 he he just has to be someone. Can he run, dribble, 255 00:11:26.639 --> 00:11:29.720 handoff stuff. Can he you know, be alone on the 256 00:11:29.720 --> 00:11:31.919 perimeter with the ball And it's not a complete minus. 257 00:11:31.960 --> 00:11:33.320 It doesn't mean he has to shoot threes, but he 258 00:11:33.320 --> 00:11:34.519 has to be able to, like, you know, kind of 259 00:11:34.600 --> 00:11:37.159 dribble into some action, find a you know, find a 260 00:11:37.440 --> 00:11:39.480 guy coming off the screen with a crisp pass. Like. 261 00:11:39.519 --> 00:11:41.440 All that stuff has to happen. He has to finish 262 00:11:41.440 --> 00:11:42.960 at the rim. He has to be a lob thread 263 00:11:43.000 --> 00:11:44.919 at the rim. He has to be great kind of 264 00:11:45.399 --> 00:11:48.799 orbiting that that circle and getting into the dunker spot 265 00:11:49.000 --> 00:11:51.960 all that stuff. Offensively. I think he'll be fine because 266 00:11:51.960 --> 00:11:55.840 of that. He can't foul. He has to rebound at 267 00:11:55.840 --> 00:11:57.759 a at a you know, almost an all star rate. 268 00:11:57.840 --> 00:11:59.519 I mean, he just has to be a guy where 269 00:12:00.720 --> 00:12:02.799 there's no doubt you want him on the court in 270 00:12:02.879 --> 00:12:04.679 big minutes, and there's no doubt you want him on 271 00:12:04.720 --> 00:12:07.240 the court when things are going poorly, like that's the 272 00:12:07.279 --> 00:12:10.200 guy that can help calm things down. And we saw 273 00:12:10.240 --> 00:12:13.919 it develop with Gobert, you know, pretty quickly once they 274 00:12:14.120 --> 00:12:15.759 turned the keys over to him. I don't think that's 275 00:12:15.840 --> 00:12:18.759 fair to expect. I think everything like that we talked 276 00:12:18.799 --> 00:12:21.919 about that was talked about in general after that trade 277 00:12:21.919 --> 00:12:24.919 and in that first year post trade, I think it 278 00:12:24.960 --> 00:12:27.559 actually did him a lot of disservice because he was good. 279 00:12:27.840 --> 00:12:31.039 He was surprised, but he wasn't Gobert right if this 280 00:12:31.120 --> 00:12:33.360 whole thing like that became this is the worst trade 281 00:12:33.399 --> 00:12:35.960 ever to now, hey, that's a good trade for both sides. 282 00:12:36.960 --> 00:12:39.960 I think he just has to go in with sticking 283 00:12:40.000 --> 00:12:42.000 on the floor and they they got to trust him, 284 00:12:42.159 --> 00:12:43.759 like they have to trust him early on to make 285 00:12:43.840 --> 00:12:47.480 mistakes even as they're being competitive, because if they start 286 00:12:47.600 --> 00:12:49.639 yanking his minutes and they start pulling him off there, 287 00:12:50.000 --> 00:12:52.360 now you just get into a very complicated situation of 288 00:12:52.440 --> 00:12:54.240 what the future of him on that team and his 289 00:12:54.360 --> 00:12:55.720 contract and everything looks like. 290 00:12:56.120 --> 00:12:59.200 We had local media members saying after two weeks that 291 00:12:59.279 --> 00:13:01.440 he was better than go Bear when he was a rookie. 292 00:13:01.480 --> 00:13:04.360 So you know, uh, that's kind of how we roll 293 00:13:04.360 --> 00:13:06.200 around here. I suppose I should ask you, is there 294 00:13:06.240 --> 00:13:08.200 any player on this roster that reminds you of a 295 00:13:08.200 --> 00:13:09.799 young Manu Ginobili. 296 00:13:11.000 --> 00:13:13.720 You know, h one that actually does. Maybe Cody Williams. 297 00:13:13.720 --> 00:13:15.759 I love Cody Williams like that for Rookie of the Year. 298 00:13:15.799 --> 00:13:17.519 I'm a big Cody Williams guy. I don't know if 299 00:13:17.519 --> 00:13:20.200 that's Manu territory, but you know there's time for that 300 00:13:20.240 --> 00:13:20.679 to develop. 301 00:13:20.840 --> 00:13:21.960 Yeah, one step at a time. 302 00:13:22.039 --> 00:13:24.440 Let's move into the Cody space because, like you, I 303 00:13:24.559 --> 00:13:26.559 like him a lot, and I do think he's gonna 304 00:13:26.559 --> 00:13:28.000 get run out of the gates. 305 00:13:28.200 --> 00:13:29.440 I think he's gonna play right away. 306 00:13:29.480 --> 00:13:32.320 I don't think the other two will Isaiah Collier is 307 00:13:32.440 --> 00:13:35.440 hurt tonight and he might crack the rotation. I think 308 00:13:35.679 --> 00:13:38.840 Philipalace he's gonna start the season in the G League, 309 00:13:38.840 --> 00:13:39.440 which is fine. 310 00:13:39.480 --> 00:13:40.639 He's a late first round pick. 311 00:13:40.679 --> 00:13:42.879 But I, like you, I'm pretty enamored with Cody, So 312 00:13:42.919 --> 00:13:44.799 I hope to see him quite a bit starting tonight. 313 00:13:45.120 --> 00:13:47.240 What do you like most about this young lottery pick 314 00:13:47.320 --> 00:13:48.200 rookie for the Jazz. 315 00:13:48.639 --> 00:13:50.279 I just think he's stealed for the game, you know, 316 00:13:50.320 --> 00:13:51.879 I don't. I don't think it's fair to compare him 317 00:13:51.919 --> 00:13:53.960 to his brother for those who don't know, you know, 318 00:13:54.000 --> 00:13:57.200 Jayla Williams and the good One and okay, see the 319 00:13:57.240 --> 00:14:00.000 guy who's a borderline All Star, Like they have similar games, 320 00:14:00.279 --> 00:14:02.559 but it's you know, his brother was just so much 321 00:14:02.600 --> 00:14:06.480 further along than he is at this point. But I think, like, 322 00:14:06.559 --> 00:14:08.440 I think the SHOT's good. I think his feel for 323 00:14:08.679 --> 00:14:11.039 you know, just doing things with the basketball. I think 324 00:14:11.039 --> 00:14:14.000 there's great instincts. I think he's great size, his athleticism 325 00:14:14.080 --> 00:14:17.240 is good. Like I just every box is ticked for 326 00:14:17.360 --> 00:14:20.320 me in terms of what I think he can be 327 00:14:20.600 --> 00:14:23.679 as a just a really really good role player. I 328 00:14:23.720 --> 00:14:25.960 don't think he's a star, but I think, you know, 329 00:14:26.000 --> 00:14:28.320 in terms of everybody else in this draft class, I 330 00:14:28.320 --> 00:14:31.840 would take his stock over anybody's. He was my probably 331 00:14:31.840 --> 00:14:35.519 my third favorite prospect in the draft, and I just 332 00:14:35.559 --> 00:14:37.720 love everything I see fro him. I think he'll earn 333 00:14:37.799 --> 00:14:40.639 minutes early on, and he'll be someone that you just 334 00:14:40.799 --> 00:14:42.559 flat out can't take out of the rotation. The only 335 00:14:42.600 --> 00:14:44.799 thing is, you know, if he has injury problems like 336 00:14:44.840 --> 00:14:47.720 he had a little bit last year, then maybe he's 337 00:14:47.720 --> 00:14:49.960 not getting the time. But I just, man, I think 338 00:14:49.960 --> 00:14:53.000 he's such a can't miss prospect in terms of becoming 339 00:14:53.039 --> 00:14:54.279 a really good role player. 340 00:14:54.879 --> 00:14:58.279 Last Jazz thing. Then we'll move on to some other topics. 341 00:14:58.320 --> 00:15:01.000 Before I said, you lose for the way this Wednesday hit. 342 00:15:01.200 --> 00:15:04.159 And you know, Dennis lindsay the prior iteration of the 343 00:15:04.240 --> 00:15:07.120 Jazz front off is Quinn Snyder. Those guys, and they 344 00:15:07.200 --> 00:15:09.759 often talked about both on and off the record, by 345 00:15:09.759 --> 00:15:14.120 the way, kind of calculating their build to coincide at 346 00:15:14.159 --> 00:15:16.639 its peak with the rest of the league, kind of 347 00:15:16.679 --> 00:15:20.039 going down a little bit with age with Lebron, aging 348 00:15:20.080 --> 00:15:23.120 with Steph Age, aging with Durant aging and things like that. 349 00:15:23.200 --> 00:15:26.639 And you know, Donovan's still really good, although it's hilarious 350 00:15:26.639 --> 00:15:29.039 that he loves Cleveland so much. New York did watch 351 00:15:29.080 --> 00:15:31.399 you so you love where your feet are at. Bottom line, go. 352 00:15:31.440 --> 00:15:32.799 Bear is still good in his prime. 353 00:15:32.879 --> 00:15:35.080 I mean, most of those guys outside of like Ingles 354 00:15:35.080 --> 00:15:37.799 and Conley are still in their prime. So you can 355 00:15:37.840 --> 00:15:40.960 see what Dennis was talking about with his calculation of 356 00:15:41.039 --> 00:15:43.840 making them at their peak when some of the league 357 00:15:43.879 --> 00:15:46.320 his aged. Now, the problem is the league has reset, 358 00:15:46.360 --> 00:15:49.639 but the Jazz if not so Okac is good and young, 359 00:15:49.799 --> 00:15:52.240 Minnesota and still a kid, and I could keep going, 360 00:15:52.240 --> 00:15:55.200 you know the deal Wembin Yama, san Antonio, I could continue. 361 00:15:55.639 --> 00:15:58.559 There are five, six, seven very good teams that are 362 00:15:58.559 --> 00:15:59.519 still very young. 363 00:15:59.600 --> 00:16:01.720 Lucas Dill in his twenties, Yokiches too. 364 00:16:02.279 --> 00:16:05.080 So what does the calculation look like now as far 365 00:16:05.120 --> 00:16:07.080 as the next window that could be open if the 366 00:16:07.159 --> 00:16:09.679 Jazz actually builds something special over the next few years, 367 00:16:09.679 --> 00:16:11.480 Because it doesn't seem like it's anytime soon. 368 00:16:12.080 --> 00:16:13.679 Yeah, I mean I don't. I don't think you can 369 00:16:13.679 --> 00:16:16.519 look at it that way anymore. Right, There's so many 370 00:16:16.559 --> 00:16:20.799 different timelines throughout the Western Conference. And again like if 371 00:16:20.799 --> 00:16:24.759 the Spurs can be just solid all season and not 372 00:16:24.799 --> 00:16:26.759 go through those big dips like they did last year, 373 00:16:27.279 --> 00:16:29.039 they'll be in the mix of the playing tournament too. 374 00:16:29.120 --> 00:16:31.519 Because I don't know how many wins it's gonna say, like, 375 00:16:31.600 --> 00:16:33.600 there are just too many good teams in the Western 376 00:16:33.679 --> 00:16:37.519 Conference to believe that you know you're you're gonna have 377 00:16:37.600 --> 00:16:40.200 a forty seven to forty eight win team in the 378 00:16:40.240 --> 00:16:42.000 ten spot, Like, I think it's gonna be much more 379 00:16:42.639 --> 00:16:45.840 close to to you know, five hundred teams there because 380 00:16:45.879 --> 00:16:49.679 the winds there are only so many wins available. With 381 00:16:49.799 --> 00:16:52.120 that said, like, I just I think you just have 382 00:16:52.159 --> 00:16:55.000 to get good. And I know that sounds super simple, 383 00:16:55.039 --> 00:16:56.399 but you like you got to go get your guy, 384 00:16:56.440 --> 00:16:58.799 whether that's you know, Cooper Flag or Ace Bailey or 385 00:16:58.840 --> 00:17:01.759 Dylan Harper or whoever, you know, the big kid from Duke, 386 00:17:01.799 --> 00:17:05.319 like whoever that is. They're like, there's just so many 387 00:17:06.000 --> 00:17:08.599 prospects in the next couple of years. Maybe you're maybe 388 00:17:08.599 --> 00:17:10.680 you're gunning for, like, you know, one of the Boozer twins, 389 00:17:11.599 --> 00:17:13.480 you know, the year after. Like I don't know what 390 00:17:13.559 --> 00:17:15.559 that plan is, but you have to go get those 391 00:17:15.599 --> 00:17:18.759 guys and just start building and knowing that you're not 392 00:17:18.880 --> 00:17:22.960 walking into you know, a battle royale with just like 393 00:17:23.079 --> 00:17:25.480 four teams that like, yeah, you're probably like trying to 394 00:17:25.599 --> 00:17:28.799 jockey for position with with eight nine teams that are 395 00:17:28.839 --> 00:17:31.680 on a similar timeline or a close enough one that 396 00:17:31.720 --> 00:17:33.880 you don't feel like, oh yeah, when that when that 397 00:17:33.920 --> 00:17:35.720 dip happens, we will be on the way up. I 398 00:17:35.799 --> 00:17:37.720 just I don't think the West is built that way anymore. 399 00:17:38.319 --> 00:17:41.960 And in order to have that kind of approach, I 400 00:17:42.000 --> 00:17:43.519 think you have to be in the East, and it's 401 00:17:43.559 --> 00:17:45.480