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One of the things I'm gonna delve into today is
possibly how the government, the legislature, the individuals on the
political side of the realm and the academic side of
things too, that the pro academia as well that subsidize
these state run institutions, they may be trying to put
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ladies coming out of the private equity venture for many
of these athletic departments that are trying to find an
influx of cash and separate their athletic departments from the university.
It may as a iconic sports analysts. Collegepotball analyst once
said le Courso not so fast, Okay, some of these
politicians getting involved here that don't want private equity in
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co host and the rest of the Star Stata cast
joining us for this Tuesday, December sixteenth edition. Let's welcome
in first and foremost executive producer, uh, the architect of
the show. Let's welcome Ronald the three man Weaver. Was
it Ronnie?
Speaker 4: I'm doing well.
Speaker 5: Happy Tuesdays, everybody.
Speaker 6: We're getting closer and closer to my favorite part of
the show in the season where I get to play
Christmas music.
Speaker 5: Not there yet, but starting on Thursday, you'll definitely get
some tunes.
Speaker 3: Okay, so we're getting into Christmas music time here on
Cougar Sports for our band today. Let's also welcome in
Brett always bringing the hammer, Hammer Time show Hammer. How
the heck are you?
Speaker 1: Fun?
Speaker 3: Fact? My favorite Christmas song is by Maclamore.
Speaker 7: By the way, Okay, Macklamore, I know what I just said, Maclamore.
Speaker 3: Is it a remix? I know it's an original Christmas song?
And you know what, may just have to be banned
of the day. Hey, I send it over to its
called It's Christmas Time. I've do multiple bands of the day.
Okay with that? And because I know my other co
host today is probably already submitted his band of that,
that's true. What the big band of the day guy,
Let's welcome in the biggest Buck East fan known to man,
and I'm sure he's happy that it's finally come into
the great state of Utah's who come in Brandon Sea, Gurney,
the Grenade, the g man, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 4: I hope it's appreciated that I'm here.
Speaker 8: And let me tell you why I was taking a
nap and I set my alarm to one forty five
because I knew I had to host with with Ben
Krittle and I wasn't ready to get up, and I
laid there and I thought, should.
Speaker 4: I snooze or should I go.
Speaker 8: To the airwaves and and buck up? No pun intended
and co host And guess what I decided?
Speaker 3: He decided.
Speaker 8: I decided to be here. So I might be a
little grug Yeah, I'm a little nappy.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 8: I live in one of those condos where there's a garage,
like right underneath my my condo, right, that's not mine. Sure,
sometimes they come in in odd hours of the night, okay,
And it just so happens that they returned home at
three am and I didn't go to sleep after that. Yeah,
I caught a life's fun anyway. No one will hear
about that. I'm out for my nap. I'm ready to go.
Speaker 4: Let's go. Band of the day. Ronnie asked me about this.
Speaker 3: Yes, and I know it's.
Speaker 4: Going to be Nick Nicks now, so I don't even
know if.
Speaker 3: Well, no, no, I think we should No, No, we're
gonna we can do a little Christmas on the back end.
Speaker 5: If I ask you and you give it to me,
I can't say no.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, you were first g man. I respect it. Yeah,
I'm going to give you a band of the day.
Just give me some time, Okay, give him some time.
He'll he'll be delving into that here moment.
Speaker 8: It will be from the nineteen eighties and it will
be spectacular.
Speaker 3: It will it shall be. Guys, check out the rest
of our ESPN the Fans starting lineup. We got a
great show for you here in the nitty Griddy will
get it. We'll hear from Koloni Satake his comments on
the main adversity that this Cougar football team faced this
season and uh and why we'll get into some Jake
Retz left commentary, so he joined the Jimmer Fernett Show
from the logo and uh man, it was a great
interview from what I've gotten now. You know, so everybody
knows Britt always bringing the hammer, our digital content creator
as well as co host host. He does it all
here at ESPN. The van. You've been cutting up some
content for Jimmer Fredette Show with Spencer Linton, and so
we want to promote that they do a fantastic job.
From the logo with Jimmer Fredett, you guys caught up
with Jake reds Law and yeah, he delve into all
the Indoks and Granny's. You probably provided more information than
even Spencer and Jimmer wanted to get into. But and
there's a lot lot of positive and there's probably a
little bit of negative in there too, But overall, I
think you came away from this interview very positively as
far as the feeling that you get when you're listening
to Jake reds Law. What's surprised me even more than
how willing Jake was to speak about the whole situation,
because we went into it and we were like, obviously,
we just want to talk to Jake, like we don't
even necessarily need to talk about rats on the season, right,
rats on going's online?
Speaker 7: How are you doing those kinds of things? What was
your experience like at Buou? We weren't even really planning
on talk him about it, but he was so open
about it, and so yeah, it's a little bit of
a tease.
Speaker 3: There is uh episode drops.
Speaker 7: I think I think tonight episodes dropped typically on Wednesdays
for from the logo with Jimmi Fredett, so you can
catch it there on YouTube and whatever your podcast. But
what surprised me even more than how positive Jake was
is I'm monitoring all of our comments on x and
Instagram and TikTok, because I just are the whole focus
of that podcast is positivity, love, just talking ball, and
so I kind of went in saying, Okay, if we
get some really nasty comments like I hate to freedom
of speech people, but I'm gonna.
Speaker 3: Nix that and I'm gonna be deleting comments.
Speaker 7: Sure, And I was expecting it to be about fifty
to fifty half and half half people who love Jake
and half people who hate Jake. And I think I
can count on one hand the amount of people who
I found on social media that hate Jake, and it's
been pretty incredible. Kugarnation deserves a massive shout out for
I think the way that they've at least handled Jake,
and if if people are that upset about it, either
they didn't comment or they found something nice to say
instead of saying nothing at all. So it's it's cool
that we can kind of put that thing to bed
and just celebrate a guy who played at Buyu. You know,
once a cougar, always a cougar. We're gonna see him
play this weekend and we're happy for him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I mean I'll piggyback off that real quick
and just say, like if anything, like I don't think
like BYU fans should should should have any sort of
ill will towards Jake. If anything, Jake has every right
to a degree, depending on how you view it, sure
to have ill will will towards BYU. And he hasn't.
He said, you know, he's kind of proceeded in a
way that his mentors, they've advised him to do it,
and saying hey, didn't work out is one of the
great decisions in your life. Is one of the best
things you know. And you have a great network now
here at b YU. You got a seven game suspension
for violating the Hotter Code. Uh and and you have
to take your your medicine. Now was it too much?
Was it not severe enough that that's where like BYU
fans are gonna pine on it, right because of whatever
moral ethical stand that they that they have regarding the
Honor Code, especially as it pertains to me, non LDS,
individuals that come from different cultures and different standards, they
all sign up for it. So that's always the retort.
You signed the dot in line, you signed up for it.
You're gonna have to pay the penance, right, only the
penitent man will pass at Brigham and so you got
to take your seven game suspension. But that being said,
I don't think. I think the only time I see
BYU fans getting negative towards individuals that leave is if
they go out and they're negative towards BYU. They're like, hey,
I got screwed. They treated me unfair. If that was
the rhetoric coming from Jake and he was like ungrateful
for the opportunity and like, hey, they screwed me over
they judged me too harshly. I felt like this whole
situation was unfair, then you would see probably more of
this clandestine retaliatory like negativity right right, Like, but Jake
has done this with class, and and b YU fans,
to their credit, have also reflected that class. I mean,
you said a handful of like, hey, you know a
lot of are youth fans. Some of them are gonna
be youth fans with like hey, they're going to go
towards the civil the civil rape case and say hey,
well you know you're highlighting an accused rapist. That's where
you know, typically Utah fans and maybe even some bway
fans would maybe comment that why would you highlight someone
that has been accused of such? And there was some
guilty until proven innocent, there was some holier than now, well,
the Church of Jesus Christ Latin the Saints, we don't
support this kind of behavior, and like there were two
of those people.
Speaker 7: The other thing that I want to tease about Jake
is I never felt like we got a fully direct
answer on how in the world this whole transfer exactly worked.
Speaker 3: I never felt like I fully.
Speaker 7: Understand that Jake gives the exact details on how he
was able to transfer and play, and it's some pretty
cool and exciting sets and.
Speaker 3: How he had to walk on. You just wonder the
timing of the civil suit too. It's like, hey, wow,
that's pretty strategic timing. After the portal close, you know,
after the obviously the Bowl game, et cetera, after Spring
Ball all those things and conspiracy theories begin to be unfurled. Anyway,
we'll get to that at three thirty, so don't miss it.
A couple of sound bites and it'll drop officially tomorrow.
Jeff Fuller contributed for ESPN The Fan and also our
local Optimologist or vituroretinal surgeon getting into some stats. Love
talking stats with M four thirty, we'll welcome in the
Brazilian bomber Jonathan Tabnari five LL five former BAU wide
receiver Jared Bledsoe to discuss this BYU offense where we're heading,
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Before we get into this SoundBite, I over the last
five years, BYU has had a pretty gosh staying good
run of it. Eleven and one in the COVID year
ten and three in twenty twenty one, in PAC twelve
South Champions twenty twenty two, a little bit of a drop,
but you gotta win over SMU in the Bowl game
eight and five. You finished off to quota. I would
say that's finishing quota. You win eight games, that's quota
in BYU football history. You go five and seven in
your first year in the Big twelve. But you were
right there on the cusp of beating Oklahoma and Oklahoma State,
right you saw the potential. Now you go back to
seasons of eleven and two and eleven and two, and
we know as a recruiting guru that you are g men,
it takes a minute, you know, like from recruiting class
to productivity. How many years does it take to see
the the the fruits of a recruiting class. Typically for BYU,
at least three years at least least.
Speaker 4: But more often than not four I'd say four years.
Speaker 3: Four years is when you see the fruits of it.
Speaker 4: Four.
Speaker 3: So the twenty twenty class, you look at that study
and you're like, Okay, that's what you're gonna get in
twenty twenty four and twenty twenty five. Right, yeah, so
this is the crazy thing. Look at this, Look at
this recruiting class. I was to me, right, like are
they blown away? So BYU went eleven and two with
this recruiting class.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, this is this is just go ahead,
I mean.
Speaker 3: Like read through it like your headliner's body. Scoonover, who
balled out this year, had a great, great season, just awesome, Yeah,
really played well. The lowest rated player in the class
is Sioni Moa, who I just leave is a pretty
good player, right, pretty good player. But go down the list,
what stands out tog Man as this is the eightieth
rate class in college football twenty twenty.
Speaker 8: I'll be honest, I've covered, I've put a lot of
lipstick on pigs over my years. Right, this might be
the single worst class I've ever seen as far as
what panned out. I mean, as a kid to Broncomannenholl's
twenty eleven class, that was a bad class.
Speaker 3: Was it really? I don't know if you remember, I'll
pull it up just as a remember.
Speaker 4: Maybe I'm misspoke.
Speaker 8: I think it was the class after Jake Keeps It
was like Bronco just ah, no, I'm not doing this
this thing anymore.
Speaker 3: I'm getting my age, right, Yeah, yeah, look that up.
Speaker 4: I think it's twenty eleven.
Speaker 8: I could be wrong on that, but this class what's remarkable.
Speaker 3: Body Schoonover, Taate Romney, Logan Peelee, Alex Mootie, Askalfusi, michaeh. Harper,
Josh Wilson, Harper should have been really good, Sol j
Maiava Peters, Isaiah Perez, Josh Larson, Nukoluvii, Hilou PD two
Polo two, John Nelson, Jock Wilson, Typer Cody Epps, Kevin Downing,
Preston Rex, Miles, Davis, CoA Eldridge, J griff and Christopher Jackson,
Terrence Fall, Dean Jones, Heinkluapati.
Speaker 8: That is amazing just how many of those guys claimed out.
And I thought a lot of these guys were gonna
be good. I thought Devin Downing was gonna be a
really good receiver. I thought he was. I thought Jock
Wilson was.
Speaker 3: He's currently at su U, I believe, and everyone loved
Remember he was kind of the guy. Yeah, that that's
the one right there.
Speaker 8: Didn't pan out Josh Wilson, uhhs.
Speaker 3: Man, I can't. No, he's gonna be good.
Speaker 4: Is gonna be good?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Tate Romney is in the portal. He went to
su He was the second highest rated player.
Speaker 8: But what's remarkable about that class and what gives you
optimism is how much a class like that can be overcome,
especially in this era of nil transfer portal, because that's
when a really kicked in gear. After this twenty twenty
signing class. Yeah, if that hadn't come about b way,
you could be in some pretty sticky circumstances. Sure now,
because it's really, really hard to miss that bad on
any given class, and asne for in time where you're
at the cost and you're competing for a big twelve championship,
given that as your foundation for what for what you
are right now? So yeah, that tells you right there
the B Way you has done very well in the
transfer portal, that recruiting has really ticked up.
Speaker 4: But it also means this b we use a young program.
Speaker 8: I think if you look at that and you just
maybe take the contributors that are that are out there,
what's coming is excited. It's really really exciting, and it's
gonna be interesting when I'm co hosting the show getting
up from a nap and we're talking about the twenty
twenty sixth recruiting class, how that panned out. Yeah, I mean,
everyone of these things, it's gonna be fantastic.
Speaker 4: I think it's gonna be fantastic. Right, but I'll bet
it's good.
Speaker 8: I'll bet we look back at what B Way you
signed this year or this coming years. It's always confusing
to me, but this is technically the twenty twenty sixth class.
I think it's gonna be a foundational class. I think
it's gonna be something that we haven't seen before. I've
gotten to know these kids, I've talked to them. I
think there it's going to be a special special.
Speaker 3: Group the twenty twenty sixth class.
Speaker 4: I really do.
Speaker 8: And the guy that I just think about over and
over again when I think about this class is Juni Moala.
It's just about as good as a defensive line prospect.
I've seen b what you sign, I don't want to
say ever, but kind of ever, and he presents himself
extremely well, this is what you need, this is what
you need going for uh supplement that line play.
Speaker 4: But but yeah, that most are just kind of my
thoughts with that.
Speaker 3: Goo ahead, keep going, keep going, right, those are just okay,
I'm done, right, We're done. Yeah, So yes, it just
I guess the thesis that I have here before I
headed over Ronnie, is you know it's four to five
years before I think you truly see the fruits of
recruiting classes for BYU if you're a b WU fan.
And what's crazy is you went eleven and two essentially
with your twenty twenty recruiting class. And I granted you
know you have transfer portal, you have JUCO transfers, all
those things, right.
Speaker 8: That to bet at least half those guys aren't even
in the program anymore.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look least yeah, I mean you can
go down the list of guys, right. So it's like
Bodie's a baller, Tate Rodney's an issue now back in
the portal. Logan Peeley transfer to Utah State. Alex Moutie
never arrived and I don't think he ever played ASCAFU season.
The two deep at linebacker Michael Harper's at Montana was
a good player until he ruptured his He had two
knee ines. Really, it's really be he was gonna he
was really good by the way, Yeah, Micah, that was
a really, in my opinion, a really nice pick up.
He was a good football player this season. He's got
forty I believe he's got forty one tackles if I'm
not mistaken. Let's see here, forty one total tackles and
I think a force fumble and two iron t's. So
he's a starter for the grizz that's thirteen and one
right now. Good for him, really, you know, he's so
he's he's bounced back. That's it. That was a That
was a nice pick up for me going Josh Wilson.
I thought he could have been good, just never got
into the rotation. Sol Jamiovia Peters was more of an
athlete than a than a quarterback. Went to New Mexico.
Isaiah Perez transferred to Eastern Washington. I don't know how
Isaiah has done there. He's the nephew of Eddie Kill,
former BYU offensive lineman left tackle.
Speaker 8: Wasn't Josh Larson about to merge and then he had
some injury and.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he was, he was starting good reps.
Isaiah Perez didn't log any stats. Uh this per ESPN,
so he's maybe playing. He's on the roster, but didn't
log any stats. Josh Larson really never played. Nukuluvihilo, didn't
really play PD two Polo two. I think is still
on the roster. At the way he was as a safety,
I believe.
Speaker 7: Wow.
Speaker 4: Then the Salem sam.
Speaker 3: Man John Nelson's maybe one of the best in the
start of the like and he was a three star rank.
He was like ranked super low.
Speaker 4: He was really good for b Waite.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jock Willison, Jock Wilson got injured. The Salem Salmon was,
you know, arguably the best. Cody Apps was good for
a season before some injuries happened to him. Devin Downing
I think is at SUU. Preston Rex is in the
three four deep at running back. Miles Davis started for
Utah State at running back. But so he would have
been nice to have this season.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what a nice to have.
Speaker 3: Cooba Eldridge played special teams at why at at Hawaii,
Jake Griffins and the portal. Now from b YU, he's
got two years of elgie. Billy Chris Jackson ended up
transferring to Hawaii and then trying to come back to BYU.
Terrence Fall had an ACL injury and then never really
saw the field and answered the portal and then I
think he just gave up on football. Dean Jones went
to Northern Colorado. H heinkle were Patti. That was a
nice pick up, a nice pickup. And then you also
had at the at the very bottom of this twenty
twenty class. Other players that were included Isaiah Tupo who
never arrived at BAU two A Polo to Lai never arrived.
Bruce Garrett showed up for two practices and then quit.
Do you remember that? Yeah, I do remember the Pleasant
Grove running. He was really good. I liked him a lot. Jerrasonjvea.
I don't think he ever got into the program. Cit
ALINGI havea I don't, I don't. I don't know if
SLINGI ever showed up either. And then DeVonta Henry Cole
was supposed to show up and then he left, and
I think he ended up at like Utah State if
I'm not mistake. So anyway, isn't that crazy enough? Ronald
your thoughts? I know I went off on a bit
of a tangent here and then nitty gritty, but I
thought with g Man here that I'd go off on
a bit of a tangent about recruiting and how it
takes four to five years to see the fruits of
a recruited class. And he went eleven and two and
eleven and two with the twenty twenty recruit class, and
a lot of them didn't every like, most of them
didn't pan out.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I know that.
Speaker 6: I mean that's the nature of college athletics, right, Guys
don't pan out like that and then walk on's like
Tanner Wall do look at me? And it goes both
ways with the guys that you pick up maybe guys
you thought, yeah, this guy's not really gonna get an opportunity.
Speaker 5: Tyla Alsio was another guy, right, Ben.
Speaker 6: Sometimes you can even make an argument that maybe the
guys that walk on came just have just so good
a career as the guys that are signed.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 6: I just wanted to go to Gurney's point, Junie Mwala. Look,
I'm not, you know, an elder at all. You know,
maybe the junior I could be. But if you call
me mister Weaver, first of all, you remember my last name,
and you call me mister, that's unacceptable.
Speaker 5: Don't call me that, Don't call me sir.
Speaker 6: But that, like, the kid carries himself as if he's
already at the next level. Like and GM Man had
made a comment comparing him to another guy on the
roster while we were talking off record.
Speaker 5: I'll let him make that take. But he remembers who
you are.
Speaker 6: And I thought that was just pretty impressive because we
called a game here earlier in high school football and
he was dominating in that game. So I agree with
gim and I think that guy is going to have
a great career at BYU if he stays healthy. Uh
and they need into your alignment right now. You don't
know what's going to happen with it with Keanu. You
know you're gonna get Justin Kirkland back. JT's going to
have another year, so you need depth right there. So
I like what they have coming in at that position.
Speaker 8: Well, he's going on a mission and accord to coach Reynolds,
he believes that he could join b Wayu's team tomorrow
and be in the rotation.
Speaker 4: He really does.
Speaker 3: He and he and he told me this.
Speaker 8: The only other player that I've coached that I would
say that about was Pooka Nkul where Pooka could go
on to college team as a senior in high school
and play.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he firmly believes Judy Waller could do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 8: He compared him to Body Scoon over. Body's has been
awesome this year. We all agree on he's very good.
Judy could do what what what Body's been doing this year.
I'm not going to doubt that. But the thing he
had with Juny is he's established his alignment. Body's been
a huge project. I mean, you look at that it
was six we thought tight end linebacker d All Wait
He's gonna be kind of that ibrid guy. It took
him a while to find his position. I think he's
gonna be fantastic next year. He was really good this year.
He improved every game. Very high on Body's schoonover. But
what you're gonna get with Judy Mowala is a guy
that's ready to contribute and give you that level play,
probably as a true freshman. And and that's what you're
gonna have with this class. It's just guys that could
come in and compete almost immediately.
Speaker 4: And that's just one of them.
Speaker 3: Kawaia Khana Body was second on the team at SECKS.
Speaker 4: Yeah, how about that.
Speaker 8: I mean everyone was about Telsea Lee Khana, Tomoy Baile
and I love those guys.
Speaker 3: They're really good and tackles with thirty three three sacks
and he had three passes defended too, So he's he's
number he's number five on the team and passes defended.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and he's been he's he's starting to get more
and more reps with every game.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you've noticed that he's one of the more established guys.
He's got a fantastic year.
Speaker 8: Yeah, phenomenal. So, yeah, it takes a while for some
of these guys. I mean, he was he was basically nowhere.
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 8: I was really high on body coming out of high school,
and I was what's going on there? But I remember
a quote Gary An. It was about Gary Anderson, but
Jay heel it was kind of a propaganda quote that
he wanted to put out there, but it was one
hundred percent true. He says, if you're a defensive lineman,
what better coaching is there in the country, then you
will receive here at B White. You we have Pula,
we have Gary Andrews and Gary Anderson, Chad k Kelly Popping.
I mean, and you've seen that their development of Body,
figuring out what he is and developing that. That's really
good work, really really good work. And of course Body
deserves most of the credit in that regard. He's been patient,
willing to work through it. But yeah, when you have
guys that are ready to come in from the get
go and that don't need as much development to arrive
to that level of play, that's going to be exciting.
Speaker 4: And I've said this continuably that's.
Speaker 8: The mist still the missing piece with b What you
is truly that dominating play on that defensive and maybe
do a lesser degree offensive front once B where you
can figure that out, that's when you're reaching the next year.
Speaker 4: Yep, that's the final piece.
Speaker 8: And it's weird to me because I thought that's what
the way you would figure out first that it's kind
of been that back end secondary is really good right now, linebacker,
you knew the linebackers were gonna He's always had good linebackers.
But yeah, once that line play gets up the snuff,
especially that defensive line.
Speaker 4: Because there's still kind of it's still kind of a
patchwork thing. Let's be honest.
Speaker 8: They still don't have that dominating thing where they can
run a forty front and just have rotating tackles that
can come in and.
Speaker 4: Just smash guys and overwhelm B. Where he still doesn't
have that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're still running a thirty front, guys, that's well,
they're running a forty front two A lot of times
it's not just not it's not it's mostly I'd say
it's multiple.
Speaker 4: It's multiple, but I think it's mostly thirty.
Speaker 3: Shoot off a text and get some some Maybe.
Speaker 4: I'm wrong, man, I I stepped in it right here.
Speaker 8: No, last year it was more thirty tench huh, but yeah,
but yeah, this year, I think just because of count
a ton of.
Speaker 4: OASA they've been able to do that more effectively. Last
year they just didn't have the numbers.
Speaker 8: But but that's kind of the point is you're bringing
in more count of ton of OASA type talents, you're
gonna be able to fill that out and go more
forty front, kind of go with that base that you envision.
So yeah, it's it's exciting what Bayu has in store
this twenty twenty six class.
Speaker 4: Just looking at every single recruit, it's.
Speaker 8: A and you're looking at the scores, it's like a
bunch of eighty one eighty two's back in that class
this year it's like, oh eighty seven, that's one of
the lower rated guys.
Speaker 4: There's four star guys. There wasn't a single four star
in that.
Speaker 3: I also think there's more accuracy in the ratings.
Speaker 4: Yes, now, a lot more accuracy.
Speaker 3: So I think you're you're much more excited about the
prospects of getting a four star this day and age
even than you were in the past, because it's it's
more accurate. Yeah, you may have been a highly productive
football player back in twenty ten and received a high
three star, four star, but you know, you may have
peaked in high school.
Speaker 8: And also, how good is the tight end position going
to be?
Speaker 4: Yeah, gears, fuck goodness.
Speaker 3: Young and you're you know, here's a little gem for
you a little or maybe i'll tease it on the
back end, there's probably a former four star tight end
that will transfer to b YU here short.
Speaker 4: I have heard that. Yeah, so I've heard that.
Speaker 3: I mean we've talked about we've been flirtatious with it
over the years, in the last two years. If you
think about it, you know, yeah, you know, if you know,
you know, yeah, we've we've we've flirted with it and
been very uh.
Speaker 4: It's pretty obvious.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you could get another four star tight end
rolling through provo here shortly. And you think of like
rein Or Swanson coming back from his mission. You got
Brock Harris Company. He's gonna be serving a mission and
he'll be coming back after maybe a year or so.
You know what.
Speaker 4: The g man loves.
Speaker 8: He loves that twenty two formation twenty two personnel.
Speaker 5: There's no twenty two for me. Yeah, I was going
to say that if that's not a thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like the I like the twenty one. I
like the twenty one you like you like that personnel grouping?
Speaker 4: Yeah, double tight double the like you know, I'm all
about that double.
Speaker 3: What do you like better? Twelve or twenty two personnel?
Twelve twelve yeah, one back two tight ends? Yeah right right,
just remember being those you know, I will remind many
people and like, uh, you know one of the the
former glory eras. You know, my era six to nine
we had a lot of twenty two personnel, you know,
Foie Manase, Curtis Brown Manase, Harvey Manase, and then you
had Dennis Pitta Andrew George. You had Johnny Harlen, Tam Coats.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean that Coats Harlen.
Speaker 3: Oh that was nice, very nice dynamic, very nice dynamic.
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get into a SoundBite adversity Kalani Satake discussing adversity this season.
You're saying, like, whoa, wait, what adversity is he talking about?
What type ofversity is is he pontificating on? He was
asked a question a little bit about his his team,
his season.
Speaker 1: This was his response, It'll be a it'll be a
competitive game, but and anything.
Speaker 9: Just really excited for the overall experience, the work that
we get to do in the bull prep and I
think it helps us develop as a program, and there's
no better place to do it than than in Orlando, Florida.
Speaker 1: I thought we had a great year.
Speaker 9: I mean it was it was a lot of adversity,
and I think the main adversity was Texas Tech.
Speaker 1: They're a great team.
Speaker 9: You know, we lost to them twice and the obviously
once in Lubbock and then another one in the championship game.
But really proud of the guys and the way they played.
I mean we won eleven games two years in a row,
and so the seniors have a lot to be proud
of and the leadership and our team. But what helped
last year was actually taking the advantage of the bull
prep and the practices that we had.
Speaker 1: And so the program is still in development.
Speaker 9: We still have a lot of young guys that still
need to did to get there and get them over
the edge and becoming great. And I think this is
utilizing the practices will be a key for all that happening.
But I think there's a lot of teams that probably
could could make a case for themselves. And you know,
there's there's a lot of guys then programs that are
really proud of what they were able to comp this year.
And so there's definitely a lot more well deserving teams
than twelve. But when it's all said and done, I'm
not on the committee, but the committee it's not that's
not an easy job for them to do. And you
they they make the selection and you just live with
it and and the uh, you know, the consequences that
we get to go to Orlando, Florida and play in
the Pop Tarts Bowl. So that's not that's not anything
to be sad about. So our guys are really excited
about it. This isn't this isn't a consolation prizes. When
we went into the season, not a lot of people
thought we would win even eleven games. We wanted to
extend our season. We did it with one extra game,
and then now we get to do it with another.
Last year we did we had one bowl game in
the Automo Bawl against Colorado, and this year we played
the championship game.
Speaker 1: Didn't go our way, but we get to play in
this game too.
Speaker 9: So, I mean, we extended the season with two games,
and and you know, we want wanted to be more
than that, but we got to be thankful for what
we've accomplished and where we're at to and stay humble
and just be be happy and satisfied with what we're doing,
and then be happy for everybody else that got into
the playoffs. I think this is a good chance for
us to see some amazing football, especially coming up this weekend.
And you know, I wish all the twelve teams best
of luck in the playoffs.
Speaker 3: All right. A couple of nice nuggets there from Kalani
Satake is he is? He was made available for the
Pop Tarts Ball media availability. What do you make of
a g man?
Speaker 8: If you would have told me be where you would
get eleven wins in mid August.
Speaker 4: I'm not believing you.
Speaker 8: Sure, I'm defining you as the most glue goggled, unrealistic fan. Yeah,
I mean good for you, pat on the head. Yeah,
you love your Cougars. But no, this ain't happening, and
it's all about quarterback. What b what you was able
to do with Bear Bachmeyer? I don't think fans probably
take it for granted right now? What b where you
had to overcome develop He didn't have spring ball, he
had nothing.
Speaker 4: He came in fresh. Smart guys like me were saying, yeah,
I like it, but there's no way, There's absolutely no way.
He doesn't have the timetable necessary.
Speaker 8: What Bear Bochbeyer did this year, in conjunction with Aaron Roderick,
is one of the greatest offensive developments I've ever seen
since I've been covering B What you maybe number one?
I could absolutely argue that is number one. That is
the number one offensive development I've ever seen since I
started covering.
Speaker 3: Bway Fly And who do you give me another one?
Give me another one that that's even close to meet?
You know, who do you give credit to?
Speaker 1: Then?
Speaker 4: Bear?
Speaker 3: Bear? You give it to Bear Bear primarily for sure. Okay,
so he gets the chart of credit billions, Yes, and
then and then Aaron Roderick. Okay, l J Martin's third
because if LJ is not doing what he did, Bear
can't do what. They can't bring Bear along in that
regard LJ being what that stallion that he was all year,
he was the offense that took a lot of necessary
ush're off a Bear to allow him to develop and
become the quarterback he was.
Speaker 8: So yeah, I think LJ deserves a ton of credit
for what happened, a ton of credit.
Speaker 3: Tons of credit.
Speaker 8: But but yeah, i'd go bear a rod LJ. Plus
LJ is back there walking him, yeah, making hot reads.
Look at the first games, I mean LG's.
Speaker 4: We got this.
Speaker 8: Yeah, this guy's coming. LG was kind of a slash
quarterback involved.
Speaker 3: It does help that we have an intercom system. Now, yeah,
you know, so I will you know what I mean,
Like when we talk about development, we talk of like,
could you imagine I think ty Detmer would have been
a much better offensive coordinator with an intercom system? Why, well,
you can literally do it A check with me offense
and he's TFD. He sees he's TFD. He sees everything,
you know what I mean, Like you can do a
check with me offense, and he's communicating with Taysum and
Tanner and it's it's a whole lot easier because he's
able to communicate all the way after the freaking snap,
almost all the way. I think I can't remember what
at what point does it cut off? Like three seconds,
four seconds remaining? I think it's closer to ten is
it ten seconds remaining? So, like you know what I mean, So,
like you're right, that would have helped. That helps. Yeah, so,
but to your point, it's probably one of the, if
not the most impressive offensive like accelerate offensive developments when
you consider no spring Ball, when you consider that, like, yeah,
he recruited him, had a relationship with him to a
degree coming out of high school. But you know he
entered the portal and then he was there at B White.
Speaker 8: Sometimes I say irresponsible things and then I consider I'm like, no,
that I've been going through my mind.
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I was spot on here. I'm holding to
that statement.
Speaker 8: Hold to it right, hold the It is the most
impressive offensive development I've ever seen a B wave.
Speaker 3: You give me another what about Doug Scoville because everyone
don't go no, see you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: No, I'm cutting you off from the time I started,
no question. No, we can't go back.
Speaker 3: Who's the No we can't who's we were back? Who's
the best oc all time in BA football history? And
that I hear all the blue Hairs, Dog Scholville nineteen
seventy six, nineteen seventies, all that Scholville and then in
nineteen seventy nine and nineteen eighty you know that was
the best offense ever. Well, yeah, you had Jim McMahon helped.
You were doing things that nobody else had ever seen,
or no one had v VHS tapes of like your
your film. They weren't sharing film like they are now.
Speaker 8: The Gurneys sat in Portal eg Sex, and let me
tell you something about Portal xSex. You know everybody that's
open sitting there. Everybody. Yeah, everybody was open.
Speaker 4: All the time.
Speaker 8: Yeah yeah, even as a young kid, I could just
take your pick. Yeah, there's two three guys wide open
every single time. What Bayu was running was so advanced.
And we don't need a pontificate on this because everyone
knows that everyone's bien quoting it was so far ahead
of the game.
Speaker 3: Everyone was running literally like a bear front or a
fifty front and cover three. Yeah, like even into the nineties,
guys ty Detmer went up against a ton of cover three.
So just to give you, let me just all break
down real simp cover three. It's five down linemen three linebackers.
Think of the linebackers as Brian Bosworth neck rolls, big strong,
linear guys that fill a gaps.
Speaker 4: Shoulder pads that are almost head they can't cover with.
Speaker 3: A leg, and then three one one free slash strong safety,
and then two corners and you're running four verts versus
versus that four verticals, you're gonna win. There's gonna be
a guy. Bit at least one there's gonna be a guy.
And like no one changed, like because nobody else was
doing it right, so everyone started to do it later on.
So anyways, the reason why I bring that up is
is kind of interesting because Okay, so Klane had some
nuggets there, Uh talked about Texas Tech. It sucks that
b way you had to play Texas Tech this year.
They could have played any other team this season. It
would have been great to like pick pick anybody. It
would have been great to play Kansas State, right, it's
pretty good, yeah, but it would have been great because
then you're in the playoff anybody else in the conference.
You're in the College Football Playoff this season, like you
really are. Why because even if you lost to a
s U on the road, say you played ASU again,
let's say you played them at home and you're lost
by like a field goal or something like that, then
you're one lost team and you get to the Then
the committee's main arguments gone, you know, yeah, and then
you lose to Tech. You know, I don't know, it
would have been interesting, like could you you probably if
you lost to Tech and that was your only loss
by twenty one, twenty two, twenty you know what I mean?
Do you get in? Probably? You probably get in. You
probably get in then. So anyway, it's a come full
circle here. You gotta give credit to the offense for
stepping up and doing what they did because nobody thought
that that would happen after losing Jake Retzlough. And now
Jake is going to the coallf Football Player. Good for him.
Karma is a is a female Kanaan. Guys. Yeah, what
Karma did you speak of it just is you know
what I mean, Like we put we ousted him, and
he didn't even get a scholarship to Tulane and he
gets to the colleg football playoff and look by you
had a great season, you know, and then a marvelous season.
Uh And kudos to Bear, kudos to l J, kudos
to a Rod uh and the offensive line tremendous job.
How about Carson Ryan, Like, I mean, goodness, gracious, yeah,
I'm surprised you didn't mentioned with all your twelve personnel,
you know, twelve personnel infatuation.
Speaker 4: Are we ready to segue into this mystery four star
tight end?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Well real quick, real quick, Like okay, fine, out,
we can segue, but then I want to recap it
with another question here at the end of it.
Speaker 8: Okay, Well, the thing is Carson Ryan. When he when
I was going to come, it's like, oh, he's that malcontent.
I'm just being honest, that just can't fit and the
program he's just not able to meld. Oh he's probably
got attitude issues. No, he was perfect for what be
what you needed. He was so good and b why
he didn't really have that established framework of a tight
end being that significant of a part in this offense.
I mean it was it was all hypothetical, theoretical, right,
But but it's like, no, the tight end can be
really good.
Speaker 3: I think Walker didn't come to Bayu because we had
not yet invested in strength and additioning atrician development because
you were winning. But you were winning eleven and three,
eleven and one and then ten and three, and you
were using Isaac Ragg.
Speaker 8: But but Carson Ryan providing that framework, Yeah, I can
be that guy.
Speaker 3: Four affiliation helps, Yes, P four affiliates. It really really
helps you independent, Yes, it does people, and Carson.
Speaker 4: Ryan doesn't come to be where you, It must be
where you have that. Carson Ryan was big.
Speaker 3: Nor does his head their fourth star.
Speaker 8: But you can't tell me having that. Listen this Carson Ryan,
look what he did for us last year. You can
go and do that same thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it helped.
Speaker 4: That's big for anybody.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 4: Don't diminish that.
Speaker 3: The tight end that you're referring to, though, had twenty receptions,
two hundred twenty three yards, eleven point one yards per reception,
two touchdowns, So that's what what he did at an
unnamed school.
Speaker 4: To play.
Speaker 3: That which may have been near Carson Ryan's former school UCLA.
There could have been a school near and.
Speaker 4: Ryan and b WA, you may or may not of
just signed one of his family.
Speaker 5: Possibly possibly brother on brother connection that works, you know,
a b yu.
Speaker 3: Know what I mean? We always keep it in the family. Family.
Isn't it about time?
Speaker 8: That's right?
Speaker 3: Family, isn't it about time?
Speaker 5: And can you sing your home your your song about
bringing him home now?
Speaker 1: Please?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, bring him home. You're going to La miser
Oh yeah yeah, bring him Yes. Thirty seven receptions, Carson
Ryan had five hundred yards thirteen point five yards per
reception along of forty three and three touchdowns is what
Carson Ryan had, by the way. Uh. But this particular
four star that you talk about, uh, the six foot four,
two hundred and forty five pounder out of Folsom, California,
he measures Uh he actually has a seventy seven inch
swing span in thirty three inch arms. So even though
he's like the six foot six guy, he's got like
six foot six hands and arms right for blocking. So
he's a he can be that guy for you. He
can be that inline flexed hybrid type of tight end.
Speaker 8: I became privy to the Walker Lions thing a couple
of days ago, and it's one of those things you
just will will duh the way you needs a bridge
tight end. With all due respect to the guys that
are in the program, they kind of need that bridge
tight end to come in. Sure, it's the most obvious,
git there is anyway has it happened yet?
Speaker 3: I mean he's not in the portal officially. I don't
think anything's been announced. Over his career, he's got twenty
six perceptions, he's played two years at USC and two
hundred and fifty nine yards ten yards perception, two touchdowns
on the career, So trending in the right direction, and
he could be the hy one for the Kougs next
season along with ke indeed or you know who else
is going to be on that in that tight end
room this next year. I prett in his name number
eighty two. Noki Yeah you think Noah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Molyaki is pretty good.
Speaker 3: Okay, Yes, potential, he's got some potential who's coming off missions.
Speaker 8: Unfortunately ryaner Swanson won't be back from this mission. Yeah,
so it's like what I'm saying, they need a bridge
tight end. Okay, absolutely need that guy, and he's kind
of perfect in the card. It's gonna be nice. I think, Uh,
Gotch isn't going on a mission.
Speaker 3: Getch. Yeah, he's gonna come in. Yeah, he's gonna come
into play.
Speaker 8: Four star first year. It's kind of what you expect
those guys to make waves. He could be an interesting component.
Speaker 3: As far as tight ends. Currently on the roster. How
you pronounced that Getch? Yeah, Gotch okay. Anthony Olsen's a
Redcher junior. Ethan Erickson is going to be graduating. Wills
Sendell Redcher freshman. Noah Moyaki Cher freshman, Cole Clement is
a freshman. Uh. Tucker Keller is a freshman. Uh and uh.
Kea Need is a junior, so he's going to be
coming back. Jacob Nye freshman, Ethan Wood sophomore. He was
a transfer from New Mexico State. He played at Snow
prior to New Mexico State. So those are your tight ends.
Speaker 8: We're probably not giving a lot enough due diligence to
Keon Need. He has potential.
Speaker 3: He's got potential.
Speaker 8: He's very long and he played a lot this year.
He very very good blocking tight end. He's kind of
that sixth offensive lineman more so than a tight end
a lot of the time. But he could definitely get
out there. That's kind of the next progression. Yeah, b Wall,
he could actually be pretty strong at tight end next year.
Speaker 3: Would love to see it. Jet Nelson could be coming
home from a mission, I think, right if he's not
already home. Jet Jet Nelson out of American for.
Speaker 4: I remember him.
Speaker 8: Yeah, he's kind of that sneaky guy that everyone. Yeah,
he could be really good.
Speaker 3: We'll see, We'll see when we come back. I want
to ask you this question, Okay, who's the greatest offensive
coordinator in BUA football history? Because this is like, dude,
I asked this question and b YU fans like they're
they're scattered all over the place show everyone hates, like
that's what I'm saying. The farther they get away from
Norm Chow and they go back and look at it,
and we went to like NC State in USC and
then I argue, they're like, oh, he's the best, he's
the best, Norm Child. But you you grew up in
that era, and you're gonna tell us the truth of
the matter. Because everyone is as they get farther away
from the era, they're like, oh yeah, it was nor
Norm Chow. I'm like, your dad, your grandpa didn't feel
that way. I tell you, they did not feel that way. No,
there's not a general consensus why because there's never been
an offensive coordinator that BA fans liked. They've wanted them
all fired, minus Doug Scholville because he was only a
two years. He served a two year mission trip in
the early in the seventy five and seventy six, and
then he came back after leaving in seventy nine and
eighty and and he gave you a couple of good years, right,
a couple of nice seasons.
Speaker 8: Even Roderick, who probably occurred the least amount of criticism ever,
fans turned on him so fast that after that Big
Talk Championship.
Speaker 3: I do it, I do it. You're all right, Roderick,
You're a fraud first twelve games.
Speaker 4: I don't care.
Speaker 3: You're too revealed yourself. You just like Touiyaki. That's all
I come here. I'm like, oh my god, you're a fraud.
Speaker 4: Anyway, So you heard it as well, Oh yeah, they've
heard it.
Speaker 3: Like I was like, I try to balance him out
with some like some factual stuff to like get him
less emotional, and I'm like, guy, he's come on, Like
the reason why I do this show is just to
like the reason one of the reasons. I mean, it's fun.
You know, it's a side house all those things, right,
and you know it's fun. It ultimately fun.
Speaker 4: You know how many of those fans are listening right now.
Speaker 3: I was like, hate Riddle, He's so dumb. You gotta
realize is if you've played football in coach football and
talked football since you were six years old, which I
have been, right, and I played through you know, until
I was twenty five minus two missions or two years
of a mission, right, you see, you've seen so much,
You've experienced so much, and so you're kind of desensitized
to the emotional tirades of a Tyrant Toddler like mentality,
like where it's like no, because you take into account
everything that happened in a play, everything that happened in
a series, everything that happened in a half a quarter,
you know, whatever, and everything that happens in a game, right,
Like on a particular play, I may blame Bear, I
may blame LJ, I may blame the offensive line. I'm
not blaming a Rod for the play call all the time, right, Like, yeah,
there's gonna times where I blame the play call too,
But like how that accountability is partitioned? Is it is
split up throughout the game? It just is. And so yeah,
I'm less likely probably to say, you know, this guy
is horrible, He's the worst ever. Like I'm not prone
to hyperbole when it comes to this. And like if
you hear John Beck, you know, and even Brady Pinga,
Brady's willing to give some take. I mean Brady's Brady's
like gone to bat for a rod. He has no
reason to go to bat for a rod either, by
the way, you know.
Speaker 8: What's interesting, So Gurney, I've become a huge Utah Mammoth fan, right, Okay,
And people in this mart we don't know anything about hockey.
Speaker 4: Let's just be honest.
Speaker 8: So what's the biggest criticism Because the Mammoths were kind
of frustrated this year. They're not They've lost a lot
of games. So what does everyone blame? Initially, every single
person on the message sports is I see they.
Speaker 3: Need a new code coach.
Speaker 4: Coach isn't doing it. They they need a new coach.
I guarantee. There's not a single person that can analyze
the game of hockey and say this is why that
coach is bad. He needs to do this and he's
not doing that.
Speaker 3: I can text Cam true, he's our local hockey expert.
I'd like to hear his opinion the owner of banking.
Speaker 4: Because that's all I hear. They need a new coach.
Speaker 8: But that's kind of the cop out. Let's just be honest.
It's the first guy that you you just put all
the accountability on it. And yeah, it's kind of the
nature coaching. Yeah, it does begin and end with him, right,
So sure I do buy that in some degree, But
tell me what he's doing bad, tell me what he
can do better.
Speaker 4: I just don't like the blanket. Oh he's just bad,
just bad. Yeah, it's kind of the cop out.
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