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Speaker 2: I want to welcome back to the show Wayne Steiger.
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Speaker 1: How you doing hey any better? I'd be guilty, but
Speaker 1: as I told you before, I wasn't that innocent. Doing fantastic.
Speaker 1: Thank you for having me, Chris, how the heck are you?
Speaker 2: I can't complain. I'm doing pretty damn wonderful and it's
Speaker 2: great to talk with you again. Every time we speak,
Speaker 2: we seem to be in a much different reality than
Speaker 2: the previous. There also seems to be layers of perception
Speaker 2: within each stage that we enter. We went from plandemic
Speaker 2: to possible UFO invasion in lesson four. This affects every
Speaker 2: one of us differently, and your participation in each of
Speaker 2: these events depends, I believe, on our free will. I've
Speaker 2: come to the unfortunate realization that almost everything we see
Speaker 2: on TV and are spoon fed from the media has
Speaker 2: varying levels of theatrics and deception. I believe the television
Speaker 2: was invented as a form of perception control, a mind
Speaker 2: control for the masses. And the reality I see and
Speaker 2: experience when I go outside and communicate with real folks
Speaker 2: that I can physically touch and see and spend time
Speaker 2: with in nature, is in no way the reality that
Speaker 2: we are being fed through the mind control media. So
Speaker 2: that being said, what is consensus reality? How much of
Speaker 2: what we're seeing is an illusion? Who are the true
Speaker 2: gatekeepers of our perception? Those are a few good questions
Speaker 2: to start with. But before we get into any of this,
Speaker 2: remind the audience a little bit about yourself and your
Speaker 2: brain tingling content.
Speaker 1: Thanks Chris. You know, today I would say that I'm
Speaker 1: probably fulfilling the role of my life as a philosopher
Speaker 1: and the background, you know, has lent itself to this
Speaker 1: moment in this time, and you're right, it's a very
Speaker 1: different place. It's not the place that I came into.
Speaker 1: This place, and it's interesting. I've been on this planet
Speaker 1: for nearly twenty five thousand days, and you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's a prison sentence or just one
Speaker 1: hell of an amusement ride. I'm not sure.
Speaker 2: Yes, anyway, I'm just I'm grateful to be here.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: I think it's such an experience to be able to
Speaker 2: witness the events that are unfolding right now. I always
Speaker 2: knew that I just had this underlying feeling that during
Speaker 2: my lifetime we would see something interesting, to say the least.
Speaker 2: And I think we're in a very important and special
Speaker 2: time and I want to get your insights into what's
Speaker 2: happening right now. And I've told this story a couple
Speaker 2: of times. I'm going to keep it brief. Whenever I
Speaker 2: was in junior high school, I went to a Christian
Speaker 2: junior high school and they were showing us a film
Speaker 2: that was most likely made for Christian schools as a
Speaker 2: form of like Christian propaganda film, but it was supposed
Speaker 2: to portray what the future would be like in the
Speaker 2: end times, in the stage of the apocalypse. And what
Speaker 2: this video portrayed was it was very low budget, very
Speaker 2: cheesy actors, but it was very interesting at the time.
Speaker 2: I thought it was hilarious. At the time. I thought
Speaker 2: it was, you know, just so fun for me and
Speaker 2: my friends to make fun of this Christian video that
Speaker 2: we're seeing. Every time we had to go to school.
Speaker 2: They played it like twice a year. I guess they
Speaker 2: wanted to imprint how the apocalypse would be into our minds.
Speaker 2: But what they show was they showed us pandemics, they
Speaker 2: showed us wars, and they showed us a UFO invasion
Speaker 2: that was perpetuated by an evil one world government. And
Speaker 2: I just remember watching this and laughing and thinking this
Speaker 2: is so insane? Who would ever come up with this stuff?
Speaker 2: Fast forward to today and I'm looking back at that video, like, man,
Speaker 2: where do I find who made this video? This is
Speaker 2: very interesting, and there's so many different levels of prophetic
Speaker 2: events that seem to be happening, so many events that
Speaker 2: are unfolding that we seem to have been told about
Speaker 2: in some way, whether or another, wherever it's biblical prophecy
Speaker 2: or through Hollywood and the media, or some of our
Speaker 2: most brilliant authors and creators throughout time have prophesied that
Speaker 2: some of the events we're seeing now during this time,
Speaker 2: what occur? And what do you think about that?
Speaker 1: Deep deep? You know, I knew Tim Lahay, you know
Speaker 1: who wrote the Left Behind series, and they, of course
Speaker 1: a Kirk Kangern. I think they made it into a
Speaker 1: full length movie, and it's interesting to hear how you
Speaker 1: were programmed into it. And you know, here's a question
Speaker 1: I have for you and your audience. So what you're describing, really,
Speaker 1: in a nutshell, is that you're describing prophetic events that
Speaker 1: has been foretold before this day that this would happen.
Speaker 1: So I have a question then, So if prophecy has
Speaker 1: any type of role, regardless whether it be religious, non religious, secular, etc.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you can go in the Tarot
Speaker 1: cards devnation. If it has legitimacy, then what we're really
Speaker 1: saying is that time travel is real, because if someone
Speaker 1: wrote it as a prophecy, then by its very nature,
Speaker 1: it means that it has been seen in the future
Speaker 1: of yet to happen in the present. Well, now the
Speaker 1: question really becomes, are we really seeing prophecy? Are we
Speaker 1: really seeing this reality? Is this mirage that's been painted
Speaker 1: out there? Because I don't know about you, but it
Speaker 1: seems like no one knows who's the puppet master. I mean,
Speaker 1: we're more confused than we ever have been. So if
Speaker 1: this is foretold, then my next question is, well, then
Speaker 1: who's the higher intelligence here? Because it's obviously not us.
Speaker 1: We seem to be playing a pre determined, pre orchestrated
Speaker 1: stage a play, and it seems odd that mankind on
Speaker 1: a collective conscious level is buying this. But we're going
Speaker 1: into it. And what is freaking weirder is that you've
Speaker 1: got more people realizing it, but they are are they're
Speaker 1: almost become immobilized by the very fear that this thing
Speaker 1: is portrayed, because if you look at it, Chris, any way,
Speaker 1: this ends, it ends badly for Homo sapiens, very badly.
Speaker 2: Well, let's get into that. There's different perceptions of what's
Speaker 2: unfolding right now. And if it is indeed an end
Speaker 2: of day's scenario, very bad like you said for umanity,
Speaker 2: or just a period of growth and major change, some
Speaker 2: believe that where we're being led is a form of
Speaker 2: forced evolution for the greater good in certain ways. And
Speaker 2: you can look at that from different angles. You can
Speaker 2: look at that from the transhuman technological angle, you can
Speaker 2: look at that from the New Age spiritual angle, that
Speaker 2: there could be possibly very powerful people in groups steering
Speaker 2: humanity in a way that they believe will evolve us
Speaker 2: in some way. And then there's others that believe that
Speaker 2: they are steering us to a depopulation state so that
Speaker 2: they can have more power and control, which seems more
Speaker 2: likely right now with everything that is happening. So there's
Speaker 2: said that there's different angles that we could take on
Speaker 2: what where we could be possibly going right?
Speaker 1: You know, Chris is that's interesting you bring that up
Speaker 1: because here's been the one thing that has puzzled me,
Speaker 1: and I've gnawed on this for a long time, was
Speaker 1: the Georgia guidestones. And again this is almost like a
Speaker 1: Mendela effect. You know, yeah, we know it was there,
Speaker 1: but did anyone really read what was it was saying?
Speaker 1: Was this was this similar to Stanley Kolbrick's you know,
Speaker 1: I mean the two thousand and one. Was this a
Speaker 1: monolith that was put there as a warning? Was this
Speaker 1: a calling card? I don't know, but what I do
Speaker 1: know that everything does look like it's a calling. Now
Speaker 1: you've got the catastrophe. Believe that this is a twelve
Speaker 1: thousand year cycle, our son nova's every twelve thousand years.
Speaker 1: It affects on humanity because if you go back and
Speaker 1: look at history in the written record, anything beyond ten
Speaker 1: thousand years beyond that is subject to well is it
Speaker 1: real or not? Did something happen twelve thousand years ago.
Speaker 1: Why did the Neanderthals and the Chromagnus, Why did these
Speaker 1: other genesis of man just die off? And are we
Speaker 1: really a species of less than six thousand years? Or
Speaker 1: are we really a species of two hundred thousand years?
Speaker 1: Are we at the pinnacle of a societal collapse? It
Speaker 1: says we've been here before.
Speaker 2: It's interesting. It all depends on what angle you look
Speaker 2: at our history from, because what we've been told is
Speaker 2: our history. The more we advance, it's becoming more of
Speaker 2: a false reality. They have altered what we understand as
Speaker 2: our true history in so many ways, and they're doing
Speaker 2: it now as we speak. So how much of what
Speaker 2: we've been told about the progression of humanity and everything
Speaker 2: that has brought us to where we're at now. The
Speaker 2: only way to truly know that as to have experienced that.
Speaker 2: It's those that were in the greatest power that have
Speaker 2: written our history and told us what has happened. That's
Speaker 2: a part of it that it's difficult to decipher what's
Speaker 2: happening now. Another is, if you look at the more
Speaker 2: spiritual angle of prophecy, people who have channeled information, people
Speaker 2: who have foreseen the future psychically time trap, if you
Speaker 2: want to considered that they seem to have different timelines.
Speaker 2: They have seemed to have different outcomes. Either each person
Speaker 2: is being given different information because it's a trickster entity
Speaker 2: and they think it's funny, or there are indeed different
Speaker 2: timelines that we could possibly converge to.
Speaker 1: There is the theory that when we exploded the first
Speaker 1: nuclear bomb in the atmosphere, that it basically distorted the
Speaker 1: space time strings. If you read the alien abduction in
Speaker 1: Interview with an Alien, we know that the alien said
Speaker 1: that we did something that basically now is perpetuating us
Speaker 1: into multiple time realities. I know, specifically on my chain
Speaker 1: November ninth, twenty sixteen, that was the night that Donald
Speaker 1: Trump won the election. I had a woman who wrote
Speaker 1: me the next day and she says, something's wrong here.
Speaker 1: She says, I don't belong in this timeline. And oddly enough,
Speaker 1: she wrote back several months later and she said, I'm
Speaker 1: going to tell you. She says, I know, and she's
Speaker 1: And I wrote her back and I said, how do
Speaker 1: you know that you're not in the right timeline? She says,
Speaker 1: I've been married to my husband for over twenty two
Speaker 1: years and when we shared intimacy that was not my husband.
Speaker 1: Now is this psychologically something her? Or how do you
Speaker 1: argue with something on such an intense level, particularly where
Speaker 1: intimacy is concerned, where you would know the other person
Speaker 1: extremely intimately. They say that the looking glass device out
Speaker 1: at the S four facility, Doug Way is that it's
Speaker 1: a device that shows the infinite potential of possibilities of
Speaker 1: future events. And apparently someone or something got in, and
Speaker 1: apparently the theory, the conspiracy theory is is that they
Speaker 1: altered what was supposed to have been a normal chain.
Speaker 1: There is in one reality where Kennedy was never shocked
Speaker 1: and that you know, he basically bought down this whole
Speaker 1: cabal that now is ruling the United States. I don't know,
Speaker 1: well another reality.
Speaker 2: Well, I was gonna say, if you look at the
Speaker 2: theory of the possibility that certain quantum experiments are large
Speaker 2: scale scientific facilities like cern, some of the experiments that
Speaker 2: could have been are being done there could possibly alter
Speaker 2: our reality in a way. Every time they're firing up
Speaker 2: some of these machines, it could completely change or put
Speaker 2: us into a different type of reality than we were previously.
Speaker 2: If this were to happen. If this is a possibility,
Speaker 2: we probably wouldn't even ever notice that we are then
Speaker 2: transported into a different reality. Or if we go to
Speaker 2: sleep one day and we have a different perception of
Speaker 2: reality the next day that we wake up, were we
Speaker 2: living in a different reality the previous day. It's very
Speaker 2: interesting to consider.
Speaker 1: Well, you brought up quantum, so quantum consciousness. It's interesting.
Speaker 1: You know, when d Wade first turned on their quantum computer,
Speaker 1: they used what was called the God chip. And it's
Speaker 1: very interesting because you know, they build a separate chamber
Speaker 1: and this device is then in built around this chamber.
Speaker 1: They bring down the temperature to almost absolute zero. I
Speaker 1: think it's two degrees above absolute zero. This computer chip
Speaker 1: then begins to build a quantum reality. Now, according to
Speaker 1: their CEO, and it's on their website, you can fact
Speaker 1: check me on this. He said, when they first turned
Speaker 1: it on, it was like kneeling before an alien god.
Speaker 1: All right. Then they said on their website that they
Speaker 1: had successfully brought back substance matter from a different realm. Now,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, it seems like to me
Speaker 1: the annihilation theory comes in here if you're bringing But
Speaker 1: now that actually anti that's not what they said. They
Speaker 1: brought matter in from a different realm, a different reality,
Speaker 1: different dimension. Now I don't know what type of effect
Speaker 1: that that would have on our particular perception of time
Speaker 1: in reality.
Speaker 2: Well, it's very interesting if you consider the advancements that
Speaker 2: are happening with artificial intelligence, the rapid growth of some
Speaker 2: of the technologies behind it. Some of the individuals that
Speaker 2: have developed these technologies were very deeply involved with occult practices.
Speaker 2: These individuals had the occult intertwined with the science and
Speaker 2: technology that they were working with in developing. What would
Speaker 2: keep them from having the ability to combine the spiritual
Speaker 2: existence of an intelligence and artificial intelligence if you know
Speaker 2: what I mean.
Speaker 1: Well, technically isn't mankind of artificial intelligence? I mean, depending
Speaker 1: on your point of view and your perception, we were
Speaker 1: made in the image of something or created from some
Speaker 1: sort of so that in fact makes us artificial intelligence.
Speaker 1: And you know, I can't help it not think that
Speaker 1: this seems almost manipulative. And by this I mean, Chris,
Speaker 1: you look at the current tech titans today and if
Speaker 1: you go back, I did a whole video on this,
Speaker 1: and you look at when they were born, and you
Speaker 1: look in the location of where they were born that
Speaker 1: the key players in this something was going on. Now,
Speaker 1: I grew up in Santa Clair. I grew up eight
Speaker 1: blocks away from Steve Jobs. There was something in that area.
Speaker 1: There was something going on. And if those individuals had
Speaker 1: never been born, or if one thing had been off,
Speaker 1: they would never brought the technology that they were either
Speaker 1: channeled or led into. Or I know it seems far fetched,
Speaker 1: but what if, in fact, their consciousness is nothing more
Speaker 1: than time travel and that we're living a It seems again,
Speaker 1: it seems too orchestrated. I mean, right now, humanity is
Speaker 1: basically you could say, has lost its mind. People are
Speaker 1: going crazy.
Speaker 2: Well, that's another thing I want to get into is
Speaker 2: to what extent have we already been altered to a
Speaker 2: point where we are no longer the humans that we
Speaker 2: were even just a few years ago. Look just look
Speaker 2: at the reaction of humanity to a basic admittance of
Speaker 2: extraterrestrial life from our government.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: Plenty could say, especially even myself, I don't trust anything
Speaker 2: the government says. I don't trust anything the media is
Speaker 2: gonna tell me. They've never told the truth about anything,
Speaker 2: So why am I gonna believe them about UFOs. But
Speaker 2: the reaction of the multitude of of the masses, the
Speaker 2: largest group of people in the planet that are you
Speaker 2: considered normies that aren't initiated into some of the topics
Speaker 2: that we talk about, the reaction is meh. Now, would
Speaker 2: this be the reaction five ten years ago? I don't know.
Speaker 2: It doesn't seem like it. But are we being altered
Speaker 2: that rapidly to where we are not the spiritual beings
Speaker 2: that we once were. We don't react the same to
Speaker 2: certain events in our reality that we once did. And
Speaker 2: is that because we're being fundamentally changed from what we've
Speaker 2: been subjected to food, water, air, technology? And is this
Speaker 2: all the intent? Is this going to be the new
Speaker 2: quote unquote perfected human that they want to create?
Speaker 1: Well, it's it's an interesting question because let's go into
Speaker 1: the occult side of the equation, more on the what
Speaker 1: I would call kabbalistic aspects of Christianity and the abraham religions.
Speaker 1: You look at this and we went in when society,
Speaker 1: when we had reached our pinnacle in the Roman Empire,
Speaker 1: when the Roman Empire collapsed, we went into the dark ages,
Speaker 1: and it was exactly that it seemed like man's consciousness
Speaker 1: had collapsed. And it was at that time that the Church,
Speaker 1: which was the power, which was the wealth, it was God.
Speaker 1: And in that period of time what we call the
Speaker 1: dark ages, we were darkened in enlightenment, no one, if
Speaker 1: you were a pagan, chances are you were probably living
Speaker 1: off the path because if you were in the influence
Speaker 1: of the church. I contend that we've been under a spell,
Speaker 1: and I call it the gods spell. And the Bible
Speaker 1: is nothing but one of the darkest books of spells
Speaker 1: I've ever come across. And I was an ordained pastor,
Speaker 1: spoke in tongues, laid hands on the sick, you know,
Speaker 1: watched miracles happen. I come out of that experience realizing
Speaker 1: that there's something manipulating us everything. And here's the problem.
Speaker 1: If you take that as evidence what we have the
Speaker 1: spell was broken. And I believe that George Smith from
Speaker 1: the London Museum when he found the first Samaran tablets,
Speaker 1: and then when we interpreted what doctor Noah Kramer, I've
Speaker 1: read all of his books. He is the first samariologist
Speaker 1: of the world. The Samaran tablets prove the paradigm that
Speaker 1: what we've been believing in is fake. It's false because
Speaker 1: the Christian God, the Jewish God, the Hebrew God was
Speaker 1: never written in their tablets. So that tells me something happened.
Speaker 1: Were we taken over? Was this we were invaded? And
Speaker 1: if you look at it, Chris, we have not advanced,
Speaker 1: my whole point to this, while we've been under this spell,
Speaker 1: mankind has virtually advanced very little. If you read the
Speaker 1: Samarn eight to nine thousand years ago and where we
Speaker 1: are today, wow, it's frightening.
Speaker 2: Well, if you look at that aspect, the possibility that
Speaker 2: we have been our reality has been hijacked in some
Speaker 2: manner that can get into very dark and disturbing places.
Speaker 2: Just looking at the possible time frames of this, most
Speaker 2: would believe this has been over thousands and thousands of
Speaker 2: years that we have been under this dark rulership. Well,
Speaker 2: what about the possibility that it's something more recent, that
Speaker 2: what we know as our reality has been manufactured, maybe
Speaker 2: as early as last week, and we have all these
Speaker 2: memories that have been implanted and they're all false memories,
Speaker 2: and we're just in this new manufactured reality that whatever
Speaker 2: type of malevolent entity has managed to hijack or hack
Speaker 2: into you know, maybe it not didn't necessarily happen twenty thousand,
Speaker 2: one hundred thousand years ago or longer. Maybe it's something
Speaker 2: that happened more recently in what we consider our modern history.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, wow, you just triggered a memory. You know,
Speaker 1: when I've been on I was on my own at
Speaker 1: the age of fifteen, and I started dropping LSD at
Speaker 1: the age of fifteen. At the age of sixteen, I
Speaker 1: got involved with a government program that they were only
Speaker 1: about a dozen of us. We were all within you
Speaker 1: were supposed to be eighteen years older, but no one
Speaker 1: was over the age of twenty. And we went through
Speaker 1: where they gave us clinical LSD. They taught us transcendental meditation,
Speaker 1: we would do other exercises. My point to all this
Speaker 1: is is that something broke there. I mean, if I
Speaker 1: look at this now, I think that it's when we
Speaker 1: are in an altered state of consciousness that suddenly you
Speaker 1: begin to see the cracks of this current reality.
Speaker 2: Now, were you voluntary, voluntarily attending this interesting?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, it was quite interesting. You know when they
Speaker 1: taught us, you know, particularly how to begin to astro
Speaker 1: project under the influence of Lysergic diasic acid. It was
Speaker 1: quite fascinating and it wasn't cut was this.
Speaker 2: Was a CIA sponsored program.
Speaker 1: I don't know it was CIA, but I do know
Speaker 1: it was run through the state of Texas in a
Speaker 1: hospital down in Houston, Texas. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now that makes me wonder how much of this stuff
Speaker 2: is still going on through like gifted and talented programs,
Speaker 2: certain school programs.
Speaker 1: It's all going on, I guarantee it.
Speaker 2: Where they're having unsuspecting children attend these programs and be
Speaker 2: part of part of these things.
Speaker 1: I was on the streets. They yeah, they found me.
Speaker 1: They knew who I was. I mean, I was basically
Speaker 1: homeless on the street. I mean, you know, it was
Speaker 1: the early seventies and you know, but anyway, the point is, yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought it was rather for me at the time.
Speaker 1: It was, you know, it was pretty cool. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, got laid too. Yeah.
Speaker 2: You hear about these these these government sponsored gifted programs
Speaker 2: where it's more of a scouting and recruitment program for
Speaker 2: something much darker, that is, for black ops purposes, right.
Speaker 1: You know, And it's so odd, you know, because someone
Speaker 1: asked me once, you know, well, what was it like?
Speaker 1: And I said it was interesting because you would come
Speaker 1: into a room and you know, they had good music
Speaker 1: going on. I mean it was the rock music of
Speaker 1: the day, and the what we would call the handlers
Speaker 1: were primarily there was a male and a female, and
Speaker 1: there was inter times there were others, but you know,
Speaker 1: they actually put on these things with the nodes, and Yeah,
Speaker 1: what I'm convinced of is that it showed me and
Speaker 1: particularly as a group, that you could you could literally
Speaker 1: leave this physical realm and there's this whole new realm.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's there, it's everywhere. This you know, as
Speaker 1: I was taught, If I'm sitting in a room with
Speaker 1: four walls and no windows, but I know what the
Speaker 1: outside looks like when I'm in the room, am I
Speaker 1: going to have the basis that I can say that
Speaker 1: that's real, that that still.
Speaker 2: Exists, that that you're speaking of, this this existence that
Speaker 2: could surround us, but we just can't perceive it because
Speaker 2: it's not in the right spectrum, it's not in the
Speaker 2: right frequency. Could the life in this reality, the life
Speaker 2: forms that exist here be what we understand as extraterrestrials?
Speaker 1: I believe. So I'm convinced that because I've taken a
Speaker 1: number of those journeys out there. As the Moody Blue says,
Speaker 1: you won't never know until you go out. And the
Speaker 1: more I think about this, we're trapped. I think that
Speaker 1: we are the if you wouldn't use in a modern
Speaker 1: day nomenclature in a religious sense, we are the fallen angels,
Speaker 1: we are the fallen divine beings. I think that we're captured.
Speaker 1: I really do. I think that there was a galactic war.
Speaker 1: I think it's still going on, and we are the casualties.
Speaker 1: I think many of us have been here.
Speaker 2: Do you think that that that's just part of an illusion, because,
Speaker 2: like I said, when I go out into nature, I
Speaker 2: went on a camping trip the other weekend and it
Speaker 2: was the one of the most beautiful experiences I had.
Speaker 2: The few people that I encountered were extremely nice, They
Speaker 2: didn't have any agendas, and it was just a wonderful
Speaker 2: experience out in nature. And even on a daily basis,
Speaker 2: when I leave my house and I encounter other folks,
Speaker 2: there isn't people dropping dead in the streets from unknown diseases.
Speaker 2: There isn't wars, there aren't people shooting each other on
Speaker 2: the streets and killing each other. It's a pretty beautiful
Speaker 2: existence in my everyday reality if I'm not tuning into
Speaker 2: the news or I'm not scrolling through articles on the phone.
Speaker 2: But when you do that, the second you tune in
Speaker 2: to consensus reality, the second you attempt to find out
Speaker 2: what's going on across the planet, that's when you can
Speaker 2: get glimpse of the approved program, the approved reality of propaganda, war,
Speaker 2: possible UFOs, deadly pandemics, all these things that are going
Speaker 2: to keep you in a constant state of fear, but
Speaker 2: a constant state of control because we need protection from
Speaker 2: all these things. What you're gonna protect yourself? No, there's
Speaker 2: no way. You got a daddy. Government and the military
Speaker 2: are the only ones that can protect you from all
Speaker 2: these ugity boogey bogamen that we show you on the
Speaker 2: news and your TV every day. So that's how they,
Speaker 2: you know, keep everybody in line. But if you don't
Speaker 2: pay attention to any of that, are we still the
Speaker 2: trapped fallen angels?
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's you think about technology is not
Speaker 1: really much more than a control mechanism. And you see,
Speaker 1: and you use the word true, it's it's it's fear
Speaker 1: and control. They're the twins. And you can't imagine a
Speaker 1: population of nearly eight billion people that were free thinkers.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you want to look at that, that
Speaker 1: would be a huge existential threat to whatever this is.
Speaker 1: And it goes back to that question, Chris, So, when
Speaker 1: was the last time that all of humanity was united?
Speaker 1: You're right.
Speaker 2: I had an interesting guest on the other day. I
Speaker 2: can't remember exactly who it was. His name will probably
Speaker 2: come to me in a little while, but he believes
Speaker 2: that what these elitists, with the globalists, their ideology behind
Speaker 2: depopulation is that there is too many people for us
Speaker 2: to collectively ascend. Those that have advanced their consciousness, those
Speaker 2: have that become more spiritual, aware and growing, are close
Speaker 2: to this ascension stage, if you will, but the new
Speaker 2: souls coming in. There are constantly new souls being recycled
Speaker 2: into the planet every day, and they do not have
Speaker 2: the same level of awareness. And these globalist elitists believe
Speaker 2: that they are preventing the collective of humanity from reaching
Speaker 2: this ascension stage because of too many new souls coming in,
Speaker 2: and they need to prevent that somehow by massively depopulating
Speaker 2: the planet on a genetic and specifically chosen basis.
Speaker 1: It's interesting. I had a pen pal. I haven't heard
Speaker 1: from her quite a while, but it was Princess Margaret
Speaker 1: Anne and this was back in twenty sixteen, and she
Speaker 1: sent me some very interesting information. I mean, what I
Speaker 1: left with was she was showing me there is there
Speaker 1: is this circle of I don't know if they're souls.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they're human, I don't know if
Speaker 1: they're a non terrestrial biologic you know, conglomeration. But there
Speaker 1: seems to be a deliberate control manipulation of what we
Speaker 1: we uh individually are subjected to. And you know, you
Speaker 1: extrapolate that you look at this today. So if evil exists,
Speaker 1: then then who's the evil? You know? I tell people,
Speaker 1: of course, you know, I've studied the occult. I studied
Speaker 1: you know, you know, the Lucifer, Satan and the demons.
Speaker 1: I've studied the Christian Jesus and all that, to Muhammad
Speaker 1: to the rest, and you know what, I've come to
Speaker 1: the conclusion, individually, it's us. We're the only ones that
Speaker 1: give permission to all of this. And then I stopped
Speaker 1: and I said, well, wait a minute, what if that
Speaker 1: was a universal consciousness amongst all of us. What would happen.
Speaker 1: Would everything collapse, would it suddenly just you know, fall
Speaker 1: within itself, or would there be this new awakening, this
Speaker 1: new day for our planet and for our species.
Speaker 2: It's very interesting, and I always wonder where our spiritual
Speaker 2: our original spiritual beliefs come from. Were they because our
Speaker 2: ancestors picked up a magic mushroom and had an incredible
Speaker 2: vision and spoke with these spirits on the other side
Speaker 2: and got information. And then eventually negative forces realized that
Speaker 2: they could commune with the other side through different spiritual means,
Speaker 2: whether it's through psychedelic plant medicines or meditative magical practices.
Speaker 2: They've realized that can commune with intelligences that can give
Speaker 2: them power. And then they proceed to do so and
Speaker 2: get knowledge of agriculture, mathematics, and how to control a society.
Speaker 2: And then fast forward to today and this is where
Speaker 2: we get our modern society.
Speaker 1: Or you could look at this and this is how
Speaker 1: I equate it. When I meditate and I have my
Speaker 1: place out here in the country now, and you know,
Speaker 1: I'm surrounded by nature. I can see the hummingbirds and
Speaker 1: this whole menagerie of consciousness, and I meditate at times,
Speaker 1: and I can see the different species of birds, and
Speaker 1: I can see consciousness in action. Now that's intelligence, it's intelligence.
Speaker 1: But I don't know how they would perceive me and
Speaker 1: my consciousness. My whole point to all this, I've come
Speaker 1: down to believe that there was a singleness of thought,
Speaker 1: singleness of consciousness, and we are the byproducts of that,
Speaker 1: and that we continue. I look at this place as
Speaker 1: when I leave, I'm leaving with a smile and a
Speaker 1: thank you. I've had the best freaking time here. I
Speaker 1: came in at the right time. Music is what I
Speaker 1: am about, and I leave with that, and that will
Speaker 1: leave with my conscious Now. Is that then, meaning that
Speaker 1: I am a soul and a spirit? I don't know anymore.
Speaker 1: I know this, there is something that is so beyond
Speaker 1: our ability, and it's like you, I'm finding myself more
Speaker 1: and more detached from these events that seem to be
Speaker 1: hell bent in a direction I've said, I'm not going
Speaker 1: to be part of it anymore.
Speaker 2: It's interesting you were mentioned the animals. There seems to
Speaker 2: me that there is a hierarchy of consciousness from your
Speaker 2: smallest microbe to your animals and plants to up to
Speaker 2: human consciousness. But then it all filters to our single
Speaker 2: perception and our single consciousness as individuals. This all seems
Speaker 2: to be this kind of pyramid structure of consciousness, and
Speaker 2: it all connects into our collective perception of consensus reality,
Speaker 2: and that's what creates our reality as our collective perception.
Speaker 1: Would you say, oh, absolutely, I'm you know, it's interesting, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm married. And it's amazing how you can have two
Speaker 1: consciousness that become close and begin to exist coexist within
Speaker 1: this fabric. And it's like I tell my wife all
Speaker 1: the time. I said, you know, the love that I
Speaker 1: have for you is everywhere. I said, but I still
Speaker 1: know as much as that love is reciprocated, I said, Huney,
Speaker 1: I still can't touch your consciousness. I can feel the effect,
Speaker 1: I can feel the result. And she said, that's the
Speaker 1: same thing. And even in that moment of intimacy, it's
Speaker 1: probably the closest that we would ever come of being
Speaker 1: able to touch another person's consciousness. That's why I believe
Speaker 1: death is more orgasmic than it is pain as it
Speaker 1: is when we came into this realm, just.
Speaker 2: A thought as far I want to go back to
Speaker 2: someone THELF I want to go do that. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: want to go back to what's happening right now in
Speaker 2: our consensus reality, what we're being shown, and one of
Speaker 2: the things that we're being shown is something that we've
Speaker 2: been told for the longest time was pure science fiction,
Speaker 2: pure fantasy, a product of human imagination, and that's aliens
Speaker 2: and extraterrestrials. Now we're being told that they are indeed
Speaker 2: a real phenomenon, that we have physical bodies and evidence
Speaker 2: and crash retrievals. Of course, no evidence presented to the
Speaker 2: public as far as physical, real evidence that we can
Speaker 2: see and look at and touch and feel, but there
Speaker 2: are steps being taken as a form of disclosure, you
Speaker 2: could say. Now, the the level of deception of this,
Speaker 2: we don't know. I don't know. No one knows that.
Speaker 2: I'm sure that there is a level of deception. Everything that,
Speaker 2: like I said earlier, that we've been shown in the
Speaker 2: TV and media has been pre approved for a certain
Speaker 2: level of propaganda purposes. Now to the level of this,
Speaker 2: I don't know. But it's so interesting the timeframe and
Speaker 2: that it's occurring at all, And I want to get
Speaker 2: your insights into the possibilities of why do you think
Speaker 2: that our government is telling us about UFOs right now.
Speaker 1: Because the primary has been already set within the vast
Speaker 1: majority of Americans for the longest time were Christians, and
Speaker 1: then you of course have your Jewish beliefs, and then
Speaker 1: of course muslim. It's interesting because I as a Bible student,
Speaker 1: when I went to Bible school, the thing about spaceships
Speaker 1: was no big deal when I came across. For instance,
Speaker 1: in Zachariah, the Book of Zachariah, Zachariah, the prophet was
Speaker 1: standing there with this angel, and read it for yourself.
Speaker 1: I think it's in the twelfth chapter, eighth chapter Zacharia.
Speaker 1: And the angel is standing in there, and they said,
Speaker 1: from out of samahr su and so that means the Samarians.
Speaker 1: What wait a minute, there came this flying scroll and
Speaker 1: they described exactly a saucer. Now in this case, the
Speaker 1: prophet rights that he said on the two wings were
Speaker 1: two female occupants pilots, and there was an exchange, and
Speaker 1: the UFO went off went back to samhar The Ezekiel
Speaker 1: talks about God coming down in a ship a golden
Speaker 1: glow that was no you know in any of you
Speaker 1: think about. It's almost exactly what we see today. So okay,
Speaker 1: to me, I think we've been we've been pre con
Speaker 1: already pre programmed the birth of Star Trek. You know,
Speaker 1: you look at the whole genre, I think we've all
Speaker 1: been conditioned. And again, well with.
Speaker 2: Star Trek, that's very interesting because you go back to channeling.
Speaker 2: With that, the group of elitists that got together for
Speaker 2: saye Is along with Gene Roddenberry attending, these were given
Speaker 2: information about the future space, the way the universe works.
Speaker 2: He in turn goes to make Star Trek based on
Speaker 2: these seance and channeling sessions from these group of people
Speaker 2: by this interdimensional beings called the Nine. So again it
Speaker 2: goes back to are we being led by forces outside
Speaker 2: of what we understand?
Speaker 1: Well? Yeah, I mean to me, we all channel I
Speaker 1: mean I was again, I pray every day to this
Speaker 1: father figure that I had this mental thing that's sitting
Speaker 1: on this throne and that you know, I could pray
Speaker 1: what my needs were, and if I got down and
Speaker 1: it was repentant enough and what have you, my needs
Speaker 1: when my prayers would be granted. It's channeling any way
Speaker 1: you look at it. So whether you're in an intellectual
Speaker 1: or a metaphysical or religious aspect, you're still channeling from
Speaker 1: something or is it the same thing?
Speaker 2: I mean, well, whenever I create, whenever I create music.
Speaker 2: For example, the best music I'm ever gonna make is
Speaker 2: if I'm not thinking about anything, if I'm not attempting
Speaker 2: to create music, if I just let something come and
Speaker 2: flow through me, that's the best shit I ever wrote.
Speaker 2: Right there. And the same with doing the show, The
Speaker 2: same with creating media, the same with creating my documentary.
Speaker 2: If I think too hard on it and pre plan
Speaker 2: it too much, it's it's crap. But if I just
Speaker 2: let it happen and let the energy flow out, it
Speaker 2: turns out pretty damn good.
Speaker 1: Right there. Van Morrison, I think said it the best.
Speaker 1: He said that, you know he channels the music. He
Speaker 1: said that I'll wake up and he said, and many
Speaker 1: musicians have said the same thing. I designed a mobile
Speaker 1: payment system, and I had never designed a system before,
Speaker 1: but I was plugged into something that. Man, it was,
Speaker 1: it was beautiful. I look back on it. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was like eight months that I can't recon act,
Speaker 1: actually recalled, but I built this.
Speaker 2: Well, the same with what I just did with this doctor.
Speaker 2: This is gonna be the first feature film that I
Speaker 2: am on this. Oh, thank you so much, man, And
Speaker 2: I would before I started doing it. I'm like, all right,
Speaker 2: I got a storyboard this. I gotta get it all
Speaker 2: laid out. I have to have this perfect. I have
Speaker 2: to know what I'm going to do, know where the
Speaker 2: music's going to go. And I tried that for like
Speaker 2: a month and a half and nothing happened, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: what am.
Speaker 1: I doing wrong?
Speaker 2: So then one day I just decided to get up
Speaker 2: and say, screw it, I'm just going to start playing
Speaker 2: this thing out as it's supposed to be. And I
Speaker 2: just started just creating and it just started flowing and
Speaker 2: coming to me as I went. And within a month
Speaker 2: and a half, the thing was finished, and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 2: so this is what I have to do. You can't
Speaker 2: there's some things in life that you can't always pre plan,
Speaker 2: especially when it's connected to creativity.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, brother, I'm right there digging on those words because
Speaker 1: it's it's so true. You can't get into that, you know,
Speaker 1: those stata waves and and and and it's it's the
Speaker 1: amazing thing about this brain, what it has the ability
Speaker 1: to be a receptor and a transmitter. Yes, yeah, and
Speaker 1: and you know. I don't know if I have original
Speaker 1: thought or not, but I'm certainly aware of this. I've
Speaker 1: become more more more intimate with this, this consciousness, and
Speaker 1: it is uh, it is a force.
Speaker 2: It's everywhere, and it's just this is across the board.
Speaker 2: If you think, if you think of our greatest thinkers
Speaker 2: and inventors and scientists and creators throughout history, they most
Speaker 2: likely were tapping into this same type of force or
Speaker 2: energy that just flowed through them in some ways. So
Speaker 2: the the construct of our reality has been created from
Speaker 2: individuals like this, from creative individles like this, So that
Speaker 2: reality may have come indeed, not from these people, but
Speaker 2: from the universe.
Speaker 1: If you will agreed, I agreed, I mean you and I.
Speaker 1: I'm sitting in here in an air conditioned home where
Speaker 1: I'm not in the elements, I'm not in the environment.
Speaker 1: I have an artificial environment, and I coexist in this
Speaker 1: environment at the same time. Then why can't I do
Speaker 1: that on a whether you want to go on a
Speaker 1: conscious basis or a spiritual basis. I am more than
Speaker 1: my flesh. I know that. And as you get older,
Speaker 1: and as you begin to realize, you know, the last
Speaker 1: parental figure in my life passed away last Thursday, and
Speaker 1: so that generation is, oh, I celebrate their lives. To me,
Speaker 1: it's like it's don't be sad. I mean, you know
Speaker 1: when I tell people when I pass over, I'm going
Speaker 1: to I expect a party. Fact that it's already prepared
Speaker 1: that there will be a party. I mean, I'll be cremated.
Speaker 1: It's the only way I know to release this within
Speaker 1: me is through the element of fire, and I will
Speaker 1: join that consciousness of many others. Or I believe I
Speaker 1: have the free will to go and be on my own.
Speaker 1: I mean, if I want to be by myself and
Speaker 1: a void that I can create within myself, I believe
Speaker 1: we'll have that right. But anyway, that's just me.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, I try to remain open minded about some
Speaker 2: of the events that are happening right now. Yes, it's
Speaker 2: very exciting that our government is telling us admitting that
Speaker 2: they have crash craft in their possession and that they've
Speaker 2: retrieved bodies. Of course, this is is fascinating to hear.
Speaker 2: But again I go back to the level of truth
Speaker 2: behind it. What is the reason behind them coming forward?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 2: If indeed what they're telling us is the truth that
Speaker 2: they have crashed craft. Why are they letting us know?
Speaker 2: Is it just because there is an eventuality that no
Speaker 2: matter what, we're going to know from our own accord.
Speaker 2: I try not to keep my tinfoil hat on too tight.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of people in this community that believe
Speaker 2: that the whole UFO thing is completely manufactured, that aliens
Speaker 2: aren't real, and it's our government trying to pull a
Speaker 2: fast one like they always do. I think that may
Speaker 2: be part of it. That may be a piece of it,
Speaker 2: but I don't think that's the whole puzzle. I don't
Speaker 2: think that's the big picture. What do you think?
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I often ask that I've never heard
Speaker 1: any government ever say are these beings intelligent? No one's
Speaker 1: told me that, you know, did they have an IQ?
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. I don't agree with Sagan.
Speaker 1: I agree more, maybe a little bit more with Hawkins
Speaker 1: and his point that if they're is intelligent life out there,
Speaker 1: it's most likely one of two things. They're explorers and
Speaker 1: they may not even have the capacity for empathy. That
Speaker 1: it's just life, it's another form of life, and they
Speaker 1: simply document it and go on. The second option is
Speaker 1: is that they're not friendly, and that what we don't
Speaker 1: realize is that reality the universe, This universe is very deadly,
Speaker 1: it's very competitive, that resources are very short, particularly like
Speaker 1: planets like this. Now. I don't know how you look
Speaker 1: at things, but if I run, I read this Amaron tablets,
Speaker 1: they're they're their myth and their their folklore about the
Speaker 1: Ananaki and in Yale and the rest. That had to
Speaker 1: come from something. And that tells me that I believe
Speaker 1: that this planet is still an experiment. You and I
Speaker 1: came from simians, humans, and I don't care what anyone says.
Speaker 1: You know, and people say, oh, no, I didn't come
Speaker 1: from a monkey. I said, well, they explain the rh
Speaker 1: factor in your blood. I mean, tell me how that
Speaker 1: got into our blood. It's in it's literally in our
Speaker 1: freaking DNA. Well, why, well, it's because we came from monkeys. Now,
Speaker 1: I have a book on my shelf from one professor
Speaker 1: who believes that we were basically in this zoo. It
Speaker 1: was a very large zoo. This planet Earth is a
Speaker 1: very unstable planet to put life to begin with. You
Speaker 1: think about it. You know, you have earthquakes, you have
Speaker 1: tsunamis this our planet's very unstable. He believes what happened
Speaker 1: was that a group of these Simians ate the brains
Speaker 1: of their comates, and it was through the digestion of
Speaker 1: the brain itself, the brain material that set a chain
Speaker 1: chemically within that those who participated of it, and they say,
Speaker 1: that's where we come from. I don't know. So if
Speaker 1: the government has got this disclosure thing coming, the way
Speaker 1: I look at it, it's about control. It's about instealing fear,
Speaker 1: because you're going to have most Christians thinking it's Jesus
Speaker 1: Christ coming back, or the other half thinking it's Lucifer
Speaker 1: and Satan taking round and that these are the demons.
Speaker 1: Now as you're telling me that they're non terrestrial, well
Speaker 1: what does that mean? How they get here? What is?
Speaker 1: And that's where things really I think get crazy.
Speaker 2: Well, will we see the either manufactured or legitimate alien
Speaker 2: invasion scenario soon?
Speaker 1: Bruce sees all you know? And I give him because
Speaker 1: the dude's got some videos out there. I mean, I
Speaker 1: just did a show on this on my channel. Did
Speaker 1: we land on the Moon? Now? I showed the evidence
Speaker 1: that we did. But I talked to Jene Cernon before
Speaker 1: he passed over. Was on a flight from Orlando into Houston,
Speaker 1: and he told me, he said, Wayne, we're not alone.
Speaker 1: He says, I'll take this to my grave, and he did.
Speaker 1: But he said we're not alone. So I had no
Speaker 1: reason to doubt the man. He was the last known
Speaker 1: human to walk on the moon, and he said, we're
Speaker 1: not alone. Okay, So what are we being set up for?
Speaker 1: There has to be a purpose, you know, it's that
Speaker 1: great line in the Avengers. So why has Loki got
Speaker 1: us all here? Why is this all this happening? Well,
Speaker 1: there's a purpose for it. Someone is manipulating for they
Speaker 1: are there an event or conclusion.
Speaker 2: And yet it's one of the most obvious probabilities if
Speaker 2: you look at abduction scenarios, if you look at the
Speaker 2: fact that people wake up in situations where they're being
Speaker 2: experimented on medically, where they have medical situations going on,
Speaker 2: where they're seemingly meeting their hybrid children, having genetic experimentation.
Speaker 2: I've had plenty of abductees who even tell me that
Speaker 2: during the experience, they will ask, what are we doing.
Speaker 2: We are fixing something, we are upgrading something on you,
Speaker 2: we're adding something to you, and we're putting a tracker
Speaker 2: on you. Well, that's what we do to animals. That's
Speaker 2: what we do to the animals that we experiment on.
Speaker 2: So that makes too much sense, doesn't it.
Speaker 1: Right? Hey, Chris, how about this one. So in my
Speaker 1: former religion, we were because I studied prophecy. I studied
Speaker 1: under some good good men, you know, Hilton Sutton is
Speaker 1: one of them. So the rapture thing, and when we
Speaker 1: first started this, we talked about Tim Lahay and his
Speaker 1: you know, the The Left Behind series. What if we
Speaker 1: turned the rapture around from a mass alien abduction.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're primed for it. And if we got reports
Speaker 4: that suddenly thousand and tens of thousand, well we already
Speaker 4: have that. They're they're they're right now. This is the
Speaker 4: weirdest thing in the United States. Over a million people disappear,
Speaker 4: no no, no evidence of what happened to him. They're gone.
Speaker 1: And and our federal effort, the Department of Justice have
Speaker 1: known this. Local law enforcements have known this. So what's happening?
Speaker 2: You know, we might just see a reaction from the masses.
Speaker 2: If there was an attack from one of the spacecraft
Speaker 2: that we're reporting in the news, one of these tic
Speaker 2: TACs came along and blew up a military base or
Speaker 2: even civilians. Had they injured a bunch of civilians, that
Speaker 2: would get the attention I believe of the masses. It
Speaker 2: would get the fear rolling, the desired fear campaign going.
Speaker 2: And we have our new boogeyman, instead of al Qaeda,
Speaker 2: instead of COVID, we have Yeah, we have to.
Speaker 1: Think about it. Now, wait a minute, let's get let's
Speaker 1: just's get real about this. Biden is in a very
Speaker 1: we we know, the United States is in the midst
Speaker 1: of a well, the Kuda ta It took place, you know,
Speaker 1: way before twenty twenty, but the Kudataw is in full
Speaker 1: bloom right now. You think about it. An alien disclosure,
Speaker 1: a potential alien invasion gets everybody's attention off that we
Speaker 1: get unfocused on the red, white, and blue. You and
Speaker 1: I are going to come out and by god, we're
Speaker 1: gonna kill ourselves some aliens. Yeah, and you know what,
Speaker 1: I'll pennamental on you. Damn good boy. I'm glad to
Speaker 1: see you there join us, you know. And that's what
Speaker 1: would happen in a in an instant overnight, we would
Speaker 1: forget everything happening in the economy and everything else, because
Speaker 1: now brother they're attacking us. What if that's the goal.
Speaker 2: And it usually seems like these high impact events only
Speaker 2: happen after the major election of the president has occurred.
Speaker 2: So we're gonna have to wait till the president next
Speaker 2: president is elected and then the show can continue. You're right,
Speaker 2: You're right, that's interesting.
Speaker 1: Well it's a very real possibility.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we don't talk politics, but I
Speaker 1: was heavily you know, I was a registered lobbyist in
Speaker 1: my career, and I was involved with what they called
Speaker 1: the ultra most extreme right concern to the political group.
Speaker 1: I was a member of that as a member of
Speaker 1: the Inner Circle. And let me tell you what I'm
Speaker 1: going to say. We don't this is all part of
Speaker 1: this this downgrade that just took place. It's the four
Speaker 1: fore telling something is really the monetary system that we
Speaker 1: depend on is in a very unstable manner. We know this.
Speaker 1: That government itself, we're seeing for the first time in
Speaker 1: our democracy where you have one branch now challenging the
Speaker 1: authenticity and authority of another branch. That's a civil war.
Speaker 1: And now we have you have ruling political figures that
Speaker 1: are now playing high stake games, arresting, charging, positioning and
Speaker 1: at some point I saw a psychologist talk about this
Speaker 1: last night. At some point it's going to get too
Speaker 1: much for the average person and they're going to break.
Speaker 1: And the question he brought out, what is that breaking
Speaker 1: point going to? Look like? We're in the midst of
Speaker 1: you know, let's say Russia goes ahead and drops two
Speaker 1: tactical nukes on the Ukrainian battlefront. I mean, this is
Speaker 1: all real. And this is the fear factor that you
Speaker 1: were talking about. Remember Joe Rogan on his show, the
Speaker 1: fear Factor. You know, we're in the casket now with
Speaker 1: the escorpions. Now put the damn snakes in there. But
Speaker 1: and and this is having another effect. If you don't
Speaker 1: have any type of what I would call a conscious center,
Speaker 1: that you're a spiritual being, you're not just another person,
Speaker 1: well it gets pretty lonely really quickly, because the other
Speaker 1: alternative is that you become prey. Yeah. Yeah, And I said,
Speaker 1: we don't need that, Chris. I am convinced they have
Speaker 1: stopped the message of love. I ask people all the time,
Speaker 1: tell me a movement that actually for instance, the Woodstock movement,
Speaker 1: Peace and love. Brother, I got that was my reality
Speaker 1: because why I was faced with going to Vietnam. I
Speaker 1: mean many in my generation did. They didn't come back.
Speaker 1: By the way, did you hear they're going to be redoing.
Speaker 1: They're going to restarting the draft. That's yeah, it's going
Speaker 1: to come out here in the next step right add
Speaker 1: during the August break. Uh, it's already, Yeah, I get ready, folks.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: The question is to see or will this generation Z
Speaker 1: actually comply. I don't know, but my point is there's
Speaker 1: no messaging, a rallying, there's no cause, there's no Every
Speaker 1: cause is splintered and fractured.
Speaker 2: It's infiltrated too. Every time they have a genuine cause,
Speaker 2: it gets infiltrated.
Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, my hope's in your generation. I see you,
Speaker 1: and I see writer and others of your generation, and
Speaker 1: it leaves me with hope and encouragement because you're you
Speaker 1: are in tune, you're very much awake, you're very much aware,
Speaker 1: and your mind is not restricted into one particular direction
Speaker 1: dogma or ideology. And that's the hope for mankind. Because
Speaker 1: I'm not a Republican, I'm not a Democrat. I'm a person.
Speaker 1: That's what I am. Address me as a person. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's all I'm asking and I respect your right to exist,
Speaker 1: just expect my right to exist.
Speaker 2: Very well, said Wayne. And they want us as far
Speaker 2: away from each other's ideology as possible. They want us
Speaker 2: extreme right, extreme left. They want us extreme black, extreme white,
Speaker 2: straight gay. They want us hate seeing each other on
Speaker 2: every every angle so that we don't come together and
Speaker 2: realize who the real enemy is. But we're in interesting times, Wayne,
Speaker 2: definitely interesting times. And thank you for coming on. Always
Speaker 2: a fantastic conversation.
Speaker 1: This has been far out brother, I tell you what
Speaker 1: enjoyed this. Yeah, I thank you. This is fantastic, Yes, sir.
Speaker 2: Now before you go, let the remind audience where they
Speaker 2: can find.
Speaker 1: All over come to r Wayne Steiger's primarily I'm on
Speaker 1: Rumble on Odyssey speaker, you know. Yeah, And there was
Speaker 1: another time when I did the Steiger Perspective that got
Speaker 1: much more into the political and the occult aspect of
Speaker 1: what's going on, because there's a lot of cultism taking
Speaker 1: place in DC right now that is blowing my freaking mind.
Speaker 1: You want to talk about disclosure, Chris, we can do
Speaker 1: another show on that is the fact of what I'm
Speaker 1: seeing now coming out and you're going Yeah, there's something
Speaker 1: to say. You're areusly going on here, but YouTube check
Speaker 1: it out and you'll be entertained for sure.
Speaker 2: Excellent Wayne. We will do this again definitely, and until
Speaker 2: next time, everyone, have an excellent evening. We will talk
Speaker 2: again tomorrow. See all. Then, today, I want to welcome
Speaker 2: back to the show Wayne McRoy. He is an author
Speaker 2: and researcher who explores the hidden agendas linking modern technologies
Speaker 2: to their ancient alchemical roots in antiquity. Wayne, welcome back.
Speaker 3: How you doing good, Chris? Thanks for having me back
Speaker 3: on again, Man, Always a pleasure to speak to you.
Speaker 2: Great having you back, Man. Been looking forward to this.
Speaker 2: I've been wondering just how many times can conspiracy theories
Speaker 2: become reality and the truth strangers in fiction. Since twenty twenty,
Speaker 2: we've experienced events that were not only predicted by very
Speaker 2: brilliant researchers, but also seem to have a prophetic aspect
Speaker 2: when compared to certain ancient spiritual text depending on your interpretation.
Speaker 2: As I said before, I told this story that I
Speaker 2: went to a small Christian school in junior high and
Speaker 2: I remember them showing us a video and it was
Speaker 2: supposed to depict the apocalypse would be like, what the
Speaker 2: end of the world would be like. And the video
Speaker 2: proceeds to show pandemics.
Speaker 1: World wars, global.
Speaker 2: Psychological operations, and a fake UFO invasion. Now this was like, man,
Speaker 2: had to be very early nineties, when I was, late eighties,
Speaker 2: when I was when this was this video was produced,
Speaker 2: and I thought it was hilarious at the time. You know,
Speaker 2: it was such a low quality, easy production, and me
Speaker 2: and my friends would laugh at it. But fast forward
Speaker 2: to today and smack me and call me Karen. If
Speaker 2: ninety percent of these events portrayed in the film seemed
Speaker 2: to be occurring, If that being said, is all this planned?
Speaker 2: Are you manifesting this? Are we in some sort of simulation?
Speaker 2: Is there a divine plan? And some believe the next
Speaker 2: big event is going to be a staged UFO invasion.
Speaker 2: Now we're gonna get into this. We're get this a
Speaker 2: lot more so, We've got a lot to get into.
Speaker 2: But first remind the audience just a little bit about
Speaker 2: yourself and your work.
Speaker 3: All right, man, Once again, I do appreciate you having
Speaker 3: me on here. I could be found over at Alchemictech
Speaker 3: Revolution at gmail dot com. If anyone wants to contact
Speaker 3: me directly. The Alchemical Tech Revolution podcast is now available
Speaker 3: out there on Spotify, at Apple Podcasts, and pretty much
Speaker 3: anywhere else you find podcasts, and that's my main gig nowadays.
Speaker 3: I also am over on Rockfinn if we'll want to
Speaker 3: check it out over there, that's rkfin dot com, backslash,
Speaker 3: Wayne McRoy and the Bulk. But my work is focused
Speaker 3: on looking back, primarily at the texts of the Secret
Speaker 3: Society groups and applying them to things going on today.
Speaker 3: And we see so much, so much that that's been
Speaker 3: profits in the Bible in other places happening today. And
Speaker 3: just as you had let in here with the conversation,
Speaker 3: we're at this precipice right now where all of these
Speaker 3: things that were once called conjecture or conspiracy theory or
Speaker 3: these types of things are beginning to manifest around us.
Speaker 3: So it has to make you wonder what in the
Speaker 3: world's going on here. And we're seeing a big hush
Speaker 3: right now for this whole UFO Alien agenda narrative that's
Speaker 3: been showing up over and over again in the public.
Speaker 3: So that being the case, I see this as being
Speaker 3: a manifestation of a thing that has been predicted in
Speaker 3: the past, and we're going to go through that very
Speaker 3: shortly here. In my estimation from the things I see,
Speaker 3: they're putting all the tails out there, Like they just
Speaker 3: recently talked about these congres national hearings on the UAP
Speaker 3: agenda here, that's what they call it now, unidentified aerial phenomena.
Speaker 3: They've shifted back, they've shifted back to that description of it.
Speaker 3: They're trying to rebrand UFOs essentially. So I find that
Speaker 3: in and of itself interesting because I'm a big proponent
Speaker 3: of taking a part language to understand what's being leveraged
Speaker 3: in certain ways. So I've been really taking a lot
Speaker 3: of time focus on this whole UFO thing as of late,
Speaker 3: and much of my work in research now that's originally
Speaker 3: where I started researching, was in the UFO field, when
Speaker 3: I came across all kinds of other things that made
Speaker 3: down these other rabbit holes. And I tell people I
Speaker 3: accidentally became an expert in a cult philosophy because of that.
Speaker 3: So that being the case, it's amazing how all these
Speaker 3: things tie together at the topmost levels and how they
Speaker 3: interconnect in so many ways. And the whole UFO thing
Speaker 3: is part and parcel of that. We see it's a
Speaker 3: fational crux for the upcoming events world, these things that
Speaker 3: have been predicted by ancient texts and also by many
Speaker 3: people throughout the ages here and we see it all
Speaker 3: coming together and at of this relates back to a
Speaker 3: notion that came about, primarily in nineteen ninety four at
Speaker 3: the writing of Surge Monass of a book called Project
Speaker 3: Blue Beem talking about this false alien invasion narrative. Now,
Speaker 3: to be clear, there is no recorded government gram called
Speaker 3: Project Blue Bean, and people will make that kind of
Speaker 3: an argument all day. It's an acknowledged thing within the
Speaker 3: conspiracy culture, isn't it Project Blue Bean being a reality? Now,
Speaker 3: certainly these technologies do exist, these projection technologies, hologram technologies,
Speaker 3: these kind of things, they do certainly exist, and there
Speaker 3: are programs that have shown these and demonstrated these in
Speaker 3: the public, But there is no acknowledged Project Blue Bean.
Speaker 3: So Serge Monask came out with this writing and there's
Speaker 3: a lot of legends and stuff that have cropped up
Speaker 3: around that. I guess he died in nineteen ninety seven
Speaker 3: or ninety eight, shortly after coming forward with this information,
Speaker 3: and he claimed this was a NASA project, but you
Speaker 3: can find no such project in the literature anywhere. But
Speaker 3: he set up this whole way of thinking for people
Speaker 3: since then. So we have this notion of a false
Speaker 3: alien invasion, and we also have some other corroborating information
Speaker 3: that's come out from alleged whistleblowers within the various organizations
Speaker 3: such as NASA. Carol Rosen came out, you know, after
Speaker 3: the fact, and said foreigner von Braun had warned her
Speaker 3: that they were going to play this whole alien card
Speaker 3: in the end. He said, first it would be like terrorists,
Speaker 3: and then it would be asteroids, and then it would
Speaker 3: be the alien card. And he warned her and urged
Speaker 3: her to try to stop the weaponization of space. So
Speaker 3: a lot of this has to do with the military
Speaker 3: industrial complex and those run in the show, within this
Speaker 3: military industrial complex trying to set up some type of
Speaker 3: an infrastructure based in the technologies around space or space technologies,
Speaker 3: as von brunclaimed. So you got to wonder what in
Speaker 3: the world are they trying to set up and why
Speaker 3: are they going to use this alien agenda to push
Speaker 3: and promote that. So you're looking into this and you
Speaker 3: find many of these different links. And in my research
Speaker 3: and the things I've been able to look at, I always, invariably,
Speaker 3: no matter where I look at this, I always end
Speaker 3: up in one of two places, and it's always both.
Speaker 3: If you go back as far in time as you
Speaker 3: can and trace back a lot of these writings and
Speaker 3: these ideas as far back in time as you can,
Speaker 3: you always arrive at what's called the ancient mystery schools
Speaker 3: and the secret society groups that have been brought forward
Speaker 3: from those. So that being the case, you go back
Speaker 3: in as far in history as you can, that's what
Speaker 3: you find. And if you look forward into the invariable
Speaker 3: near future, you always find the end goal thereof which
Speaker 3: in the modern age we call transhumanism. So this is
Speaker 3: the fulfillment of what these ancient mystery schools called the
Speaker 3: Great Work or the Philosopher's Stone, or all these types
Speaker 3: of ideas, and it relates to attaining immortality and becoming
Speaker 3: a gods in this physical realm in which we live.
Speaker 3: So they want to do that, know uncertain terms, These
Speaker 3: powers that be in this world, these dark occultists who
Speaker 3: run things at the top of the power structure, and
Speaker 3: that's absolutely what they are, and that's what I call them.
Speaker 3: We don't know their names per se. We've heard a
Speaker 3: lot of names thrown around as to who's actually running things,
Speaker 3: But this is the public face of it.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: Behind the scenes, there's those that you've probably never even
Speaker 3: heard of and don't know who they are, that are
Speaker 3: running this whole agenda. And there's a very small few
Speaker 3: at the top that are actually putting out different ideas
Speaker 3: and agendas that are adopted as policy by many different
Speaker 3: countries and organizations throughout the world. And it's done through
Speaker 3: the auspices of three So we have all of these
Speaker 3: notions have been introduced into the public mindset for the
Speaker 3: longest time since at least eighteen nineties. So there's a
Speaker 3: reason that this whole Project Bluebeam idea was allowed to
Speaker 3: circulate out there, and it's been through concit culture for
Speaker 3: decades now, and we're all pretty familiar with the notion.
Speaker 3: But you have to wonder what's the end goal? If
Speaker 3: they really were going to stage an alien invasion, would
Speaker 3: they really allow you to find out about that? Well,
Speaker 3: some would argue this is a concept called revelation of
Speaker 3: the method right, which is sometimes known in conspiracy circles
Speaker 3: as predictive programming, and that's an argument you could make.
Speaker 3: I don't claim to know true nature of all of this,
Speaker 3: but it seems to me the people, the social engineers
Speaker 3: who run things and put these agendas in place, they
Speaker 3: like to hit us with a swerve every now and
Speaker 3: again with this stuff. So I don't know if this
Speaker 3: whole thing's going to manifest as an actual nuts and
Speaker 3: bolts alien invasion type of a scenario. We might be
Speaker 3: looking at something else, and I'll explore avenues of thought
Speaker 3: that relate to that a little bit further down the
Speaker 3: road here in Joe, because I think that's an allusion
Speaker 3: to something else. I think it's an allegory for something
Speaker 3: else that they're going to present and that we won't
Speaker 3: be looking for. And it has everything to do with
Speaker 3: the events that have occurred over the course of the
Speaker 3: past three years. And we could get a little bit
Speaker 3: into that here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, before we do, I would love to touch on
Speaker 2: what you've mentioned a few minutes ago about the the
Speaker 2: ideology behind this and the end goal what you would call,
Speaker 2: like you mentioned the great work, what this ideology is
Speaker 2: all about, and it seems to be, you know, the
Speaker 2: basic SYS trying to evolve men through technology into this
Speaker 2: one androgynoust being that these are called groups believe that
Speaker 2: at one time we were this one perfect being, and
Speaker 2: the only way for us to get back to that
Speaker 2: is through a forced evolution of technology. Am I close
Speaker 2: on that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's actually a pretty good approximation of what we
Speaker 3: can denote from looking back at their writings. They harken
Speaker 3: back to a time that they call the Golden Age
Speaker 3: or the Golden Period, a world that existed prior to
Speaker 3: this one, wherein mankind was dual sext in one body,
Speaker 3: he had the the aspects of the feminine and the
Speaker 3: masculine both embodied within him, and he was creative from self.
Speaker 3: He could create just from self that way and multiply. Well,
Speaker 3: if you look back at the teachings of the road A,
Speaker 3: Crucians and other groups, you see that this was a
Speaker 3: period before the modern era. Here, this was a world
Speaker 3: that existed prior to this one in a different time.
Speaker 3: And some of these teachings get a little convoluted by
Speaker 3: the secret Society groups, but it's all essentially part and
Speaker 3: part of the same thing. So they're hearkening back to
Speaker 3: this age that they refer to as the Saturn period
Speaker 3: where it was the golden age of mankind, where man
Speaker 3: existed in a paradisical type state, but he was this
Speaker 3: bull sex being. He was able to create in and
Speaker 3: of himself bodily, but this was something that didn't have
Speaker 3: the spiritual connection or connotation at the time that it was.
Speaker 3: So this was something man was able to reproduce, much
Speaker 3: like a plant does. But at the same token, he
Speaker 3: also had consciousness comparable to that of a plant during
Speaker 3: this period, so he was not really self aware at
Speaker 3: that point. And this is what they teach in some
Speaker 3: version or another in this secret schools. So at one
Speaker 3: point or another, what they seek to do is go
Speaker 3: back to this time or this golden age, this paradise
Speaker 3: on Earth as they refer to it. But they want
Speaker 3: to do so with the intellect of mankind intact. And
Speaker 3: that's what they're seeking to do. They want to re
Speaker 3: evaluate this world we're in and in a mystical sense,
Speaker 3: they want to bring about the fruition of this this
Speaker 3: paradise with the notion of having our intellect intact. Because
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, the big main premise
Speaker 3: to these individuals, these dark ocultas who run things that's
Speaker 3: important is they believe that through intellect, mankind can ascend
Speaker 3: to the next level and deify himself and become gods
Speaker 3: of this place. Be the gods, be the creators, be
Speaker 3: the bulders, the master builders of this place. A lot
Speaker 3: of language hearkens to the secret society groups, a lot
Speaker 3: of it. Free Masonic people are most familiar with the
Speaker 3: Freediesons as a secret society, so we find ourselves referring
Speaker 3: to many of in their terms. But essentially, when you
Speaker 3: go back and you look at the old teachings, this
Speaker 3: is what they want to re establish. They want to
Speaker 3: re establish man as a being who's able to create
Speaker 3: just by himself. He doesn't need a partner to do so.
Speaker 3: And that being the case, it's about a form of apotheosis,
Speaker 3: as they also like to call it. And they see
Speaker 3: that being something that is within their grasp here in
Speaker 3: the modern era through the use of high technology and
Speaker 3: through this transhumanist notion of things. So what are they
Speaker 3: doing with this While they're trying to eliminate variety out
Speaker 3: of the equation. They want to merge the two gender
Speaker 3: principles back together again in an androgynist type state. And
Speaker 3: we see this manifesting in the modern world through things
Speaker 3: like this transgender ideology and all of that stuff, and
Speaker 3: a lot of it a lie with these teachings, and
Speaker 3: that's the thing. Much of what's been done is a
Speaker 3: perversion of what the original state of things was or
Speaker 3: has been, what the original intentions of the alchemists were.
Speaker 3: They've taken the inversion principle and applied in this way,
Speaker 3: always stating that they have these wonderful or good intentions
Speaker 3: for mankind as a whole. But at the end of
Speaker 3: the day, what's really happening is it's all about the
Speaker 3: betterment of these select few people at the top of
Speaker 3: the power structure in this world. They want to maintain
Speaker 3: their grip on power. They want to affirm themselves as
Speaker 3: the gods and rulers of this place, and they utilize
Speaker 3: some of these old, old alchemical principles and ancient sciences
Speaker 3: to get there. They leverage that against the masses, and
Speaker 3: they seek to bring about this type of state of
Speaker 3: being wherein they are the gods of this place and
Speaker 3: they can achieve this alleged Golden Age or some replication
Speaker 3: of this type of Golden age. That's what they're seeking.
Speaker 3: But what does this look like? And that's what we're
Speaker 3: getting to right now, because, like I said, what has
Speaker 3: happened is through the course of time and through revisionist
Speaker 3: history in space, we see that what's happened is they've
Speaker 3: taken a lot of these old ideas and inverted them
Speaker 3: in and perverted them against the natural order of things.
Speaker 3: And that's what they're seeking to do. And they try
Speaker 3: to put as positive as spin on this stuff as
Speaker 3: Pablo and say, it's going to be beneficial for everybody,
Speaker 3: but when it comes down to brass tacks, it's really not.
Speaker 3: It's only for a select few that are looking to
Speaker 3: reap the benefits thereof, and the rest of us they're
Speaker 3: trying to lock into this type of material paradigm in
Speaker 3: which we exist right now. And all of these ideas,
Speaker 3: although they seem kind of disjointed, all these things connect together.
Speaker 3: All these different conspiracy type top ideas, they all join together.
Speaker 3: So if you're talking ufbos, if you're talking about even
Speaker 3: Christian theology and the fulfillment of the Book of Revelation
Speaker 3: in the end times, all of these scenarios do tie
Speaker 3: together in this way. They most certainly do. And I
Speaker 3: like to tell people. Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt.
Speaker 3: I always tell people at the end of the day,
Speaker 3: when you look at this stuff, there's one overarching agenda
Speaker 3: and one granddaddy of all conspiracies going on right now,
Speaker 3: and that is the transhumanist agenda. Because all roads lead
Speaker 3: to rome in this regard, they all lead to the
Speaker 3: same thing. So, like I said, whatever I look at,
Speaker 3: no matter what topic it is, it always is in
Speaker 3: one of those two places, back in the ancient mystery
Speaker 3: schools and the occult ties to it, or in if
Speaker 3: you look forward to its its inevitable ends, it's always
Speaker 3: this transhuman notion, this posthuman type of an idea that
Speaker 3: they're putting together. So one end leads to the other.
Speaker 3: You could trace back the roots of this as far
Speaker 3: back in time as we could look, and we could
Speaker 3: see the culmination of that coming up within the very
Speaker 3: near future. If these people get their way, they see
Speaker 3: it as being possible now with the modern technologies they have.
Speaker 3: They want to achieve this goal and been successfully socially
Speaker 3: engineering the public to align with their goals, and people
Speaker 3: don't even realize how they've been manipulated. And because they
Speaker 3: use notions and ideas that most people are not familiar
Speaker 3: with in the modern era because we've been taught primarily
Speaker 3: to think of these things as silly or nonsensical. They
Speaker 3: use tools like astrology and tools like language, hidden language,
Speaker 3: what they call in the Freemasons the green language, also
Speaker 3: called the phonetic kabbala, also called the language of the birds.
Speaker 3: There's many distinctions for this. They use hidden language and
Speaker 3: the language of symbology to communicate ideas and to defer
Speaker 3: ideas into the public consciousness through the use of archetypal
Speaker 3: energies and archetypes are a huge notion that ties into this,
Speaker 3: and they leverage off them all the time, and people
Speaker 3: don't recognize them on a conscious level for what they are.
Speaker 3: So I think Manly P. Hall said, when man learns
Speaker 3: to read the language of symbolism, a great veil will
Speaker 3: fall off of his eyes, or some such notion. I may.
Speaker 2: So they're setting up these events. It's up to us
Speaker 2: to have an emotional response and reaction to create the
Speaker 2: archetypal energy or ed Gregork energy that will manifest these
Speaker 2: ideas into our reality.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: Well, that's kind of the premise that I've seen. When
Speaker 3: I'm looking at this, it seems almost undeniable that they
Speaker 3: try to inculcate these ideas into the minds of men,
Speaker 3: leveraging these old alchemical tools to do so. You see,
Speaker 3: they understand something about this reality that we don't. These
Speaker 3: are occultists at the top of the poorer structure, and
Speaker 3: much of this they've kept hidden within the auspices of
Speaker 3: the secret societies and occult fraternities through the ages. And
Speaker 3: they call this magic. You could call it whatever you want.
Speaker 3: Thinking in terms of magic, they've taught us to think
Speaker 3: that secilly notion. That's childish thinking all of that. But
Speaker 3: if you just redefine the term magic as causal engineering,
Speaker 3: then you can understand what's been done here. They're using
Speaker 3: different frameworks that the human mind doesn't constantly recognize in
Speaker 3: the modern era because we've been taught to think of
Speaker 3: that type of a notion as having nothing to it.
Speaker 3: And it's an important concept. It's about images, images and symbols.
Speaker 3: They invoke this archetypal thought form within the human mind,
Speaker 3: and these people are masters of manipulating that. Now, what
Speaker 3: is this archetypal thought form, Well, it varies from symbol
Speaker 3: to symbol, and the intention that's embedded in the symbol,
Speaker 3: and all of this ties back to what is the
Speaker 3: nature of consciousness? And this is wherein we have very
Speaker 3: many problems in trying to relate to these things because
Speaker 3: you have to think deeply and clearly about this topic
Speaker 3: to understand some of these concepts, and most people are
Speaker 3: not accustomed to doing so. So, in turn, what are
Speaker 3: we talking about when we're talking about an archetype? Now,
Speaker 3: this is something that the unconscious human mind recognizes because
Speaker 3: of inherent experience or inherent genetic predisposition to this. Now
Speaker 3: they call it in modern terms, they call it epigenetic
Speaker 3: memory or genetic memory. It's called in many of the
Speaker 3: Shamanic traditions as ancebtle memory. It's called very many different things.
Speaker 3: It's called the ecashic record some occultics, but essentially everybody
Speaker 3: agrees there's this notion there that there's this background information,
Speaker 3: this information field that we access just based upon our existence,
Speaker 3: that it's embedded in our DNA in a sense. So
Speaker 3: this whole idea archetype, that's where in this lies. Your
Speaker 3: unconscious mind will recognize an archetypal energy form and it
Speaker 3: will affect you on a subconscious level, which will eventually
Speaker 3: alter your conscious behavior, but you don't recognize it. Because
Speaker 3: you don't recogn it empowers that idea all the more
Speaker 3: so these people that have learned how to leverage these
Speaker 3: archetypal thought forms in that way and manipulate the public
Speaker 3: into accepting things that they normally wouldn't or doing things
Speaker 3: that they normally wouldn't. And this is actually acknowledged in
Speaker 3: the mainstream. So if anybody's thinking this is like woo
Speaker 3: woo stuff, this is acknowledged. I would urge anybody out
Speaker 3: there to look up a book called The Changing Images
Speaker 3: of Man. This was Stanford Institute's study with researchers like
Speaker 3: Margaret Meade and Joseph Campbell in on it. And in
Speaker 3: this work they acknowledge that they will use mythology and
Speaker 3: allegory and things of that nature symbolically to change man's
Speaker 3: image of himself and to change man's image of what
Speaker 3: the universe really is. So this is something that's acknowledged
Speaker 3: in the scientific mainstream, and it's by some movers and
Speaker 3: shakers in the social engineering portions of this world. So
Speaker 3: there's something to this. They use, they manipulate mythology and
Speaker 3: these different archetypal energies and ideas to change human behavior
Speaker 3: mass psychology, and this is acknowledged in that work in
Speaker 3: particular and others as well. But that is the best
Speaker 3: one I could point out because it says in there
Speaker 3: and know uncertain terms, we understand there's some subjective about
Speaker 3: human behavior that perhaps we don't quite have a full
Speaker 3: grasp of. But that's why we need subjective things like
Speaker 3: mythology and different storytelling motifs and stuff like that to
Speaker 3: influence human behavior. So they recognize this a subjective thing
Speaker 3: that can't be objectively measured accurately, but they can still
Speaker 3: leverage it in certain ways to get a generalized effect.
Speaker 3: So this is what's it revealed in that book in particular.
Speaker 3: So I think, what's going on now? Getting back tying
Speaker 3: back to the original topic we're talking about, because I
Speaker 3: know this goes all over the place, but.
Speaker 2: Well, we taxed everything, so we got to go everywhere, right.
Speaker 3: I guess so, But going back to the archetype involved here,
Speaker 3: we're talking about the archetype of the alien, and there's
Speaker 3: just so much that is attached to that idea subtle
Speaker 3: nuance that most people don't pick up upon because we're
Speaker 3: not talking that way, we've been in sort of programmed
Speaker 3: through science fiction media to look at aliens as a
Speaker 3: certain type of thing. Right, we're thinking in terms of
Speaker 3: it's an extra terrestrial, it's from another plan in outer space.
Speaker 3: So that's what they've been trying to engineer into the
Speaker 3: cultural mindset, and I think they've been hugely successful at this.
Speaker 3: By any thoughts there, Chris, before I go a little
Speaker 3: further down the road.
Speaker 2: Well, that's exactly what I want to get to. I
Speaker 2: wanted to explore this psychological operation of UFOs and extraterrestrials
Speaker 2: since it really started getting introduced into the black after
Speaker 2: World War Two that you see very few accounts of
Speaker 2: what people would really understand as extraterrestrial encounters before this
Speaker 2: time period. It was around the forties and fifties when
Speaker 2: we really start seeing the flying saucer phenomena pick up,
Speaker 2: and it evolved from are based on different events that
Speaker 2: would occur that would, just like we were talking about earlier,
Speaker 2: shift the public consciousness into a certain direction. It went
Speaker 2: saucers to these tic TACs that we see now and
Speaker 2: other strange amorphous lights and different types of would look
Speaker 2: like plasma entities and things like that, but the phenomenon
Speaker 2: itself seems to be evolving as we experience these events.
Speaker 2: But these events are most likely being manufactured in some
Speaker 2: way based on a lot of the evidence that we have.
Speaker 2: And I want to also get your insights into how
Speaker 2: deep this goes? How deep of an operation is this?
Speaker 2: Do you believe that the military is actually involved with
Speaker 2: possibly abducting people, these nefarious groups actually taking people, or
Speaker 2: other types of mind control techniques like drugs or any
Speaker 2: maybe some advanced technology. If you look at the Cameleo
Speaker 2: story by Robert Guffey, even in the nineties, they were
Speaker 2: employing some of these very extra dream tactics of surveillance
Speaker 2: and harassment using extremely advanced technologies. So how far do
Speaker 2: you think that this goes? How deep is the operation?
Speaker 3: Well, I think it's definitely a very deep operation. And
Speaker 3: you consider and keep in mind that the special access
Speaker 3: programs within the auspices of the military industrial complex are
Speaker 3: bare minimum thirty to fifty years in advance of what
Speaker 3: we consider the most high tech in the mainstream. Then
Speaker 3: you have to realize there's technologies that have been operated
Speaker 3: in secret for a long time that we may be
Speaker 3: largely unaware of. Even still, so with that being the case,
Speaker 3: we can see that something like that is definitely a possibility.
Speaker 3: So I don't discredit the idea of mill labs as
Speaker 3: they're known military abductions, and I think a large portion
Speaker 3: of the phenomena is related to that. I think a
Speaker 3: large portion of what we call the UFO phenomena in
Speaker 3: the modern day is largely human tech. And I've been
Speaker 3: able to trace back a lot of the linear progression
Speaker 3: of this technology all the way back to Nikola Tesla
Speaker 3: and even past him. When it became more further developed.
Speaker 3: It became developed by a gentleman in t Townsend Brown. Now,
Speaker 3: this guy was employed by the Naval Department and was
Speaker 3: very highly regarded in the intelligence community and by those
Speaker 3: different groups within this military industrial complex. He was highly regarded.
Speaker 3: He was an intelligent guy, and he discovered something in
Speaker 3: his youth in the nineteen twenties that's called the Byfield
Speaker 3: Brown effect. And a lot of this relates back to
Speaker 3: electrogravitic propulsion systems that have been developed by the military
Speaker 3: and others. At least that's my viewpoint. And I see
Speaker 3: the evidence of this everywhere, but can't really prove it
Speaker 3: because they until they come out and they say, yeah,
Speaker 3: we have electric gravitic or gravity control device technology that
Speaker 3: we've been employeing within the military complex for a while now.
Speaker 3: Until they come forward and say that, you can't absolutely
Speaker 3: say that with proof positive because the way they've done
Speaker 3: this and develop these technologies, they've done it in a
Speaker 3: way where they bypass the standard protocols of government oversight.
Speaker 3: What they do is they subcontract out these projects to corporations,
Speaker 3: and these corporations take in these projects, and of course
Speaker 3: those that work on it within the corporation have to
Speaker 3: have special top secret access and clearance and security clearance
Speaker 3: and this kind of thing, so they get vetted for that,
Speaker 3: and when they have this access, then they're given need
Speaker 3: to know basis for certain programs within these corporations that
Speaker 3: take on these projects. And what happens is because it's
Speaker 3: a corporation developing the technologies they're in, this is not
Speaker 3: something that can be revealed through FOYA Freedom of Information
Speaker 3: Act clearance. So if you go and give a FOIL
Speaker 3: request to say some military agency or some other quasi
Speaker 3: governmental agency looking for UFO information, you're not going to
Speaker 3: find it because they could hide it in the corporation
Speaker 3: under the auspices of what they call proprietary information, and
Speaker 3: therefore they don't have to reveal those secrets to the
Speaker 3: public through FOYA request. So there's no accountability and there's
Speaker 3: no way to really find out what they've been doing,
Speaker 3: short of perhaps I don't know, the threat of arrest
Speaker 3: or being tried for treason or some such thing by
Speaker 3: the United States Congress if they don't reveal what they have.
Speaker 3: I don't see that really happening. But they are pushing
Speaker 3: for this UFO disclosure idea because many of these technologies
Speaker 3: I think are the key to moving forward here in
Speaker 3: the future. I think we can alter our world. If
Speaker 3: these technologies ever came to the forefront, it would absolutely
Speaker 3: overnight change world in ways we could only begin to imagine.
Speaker 3: And I think it would really upset the apple cart
Speaker 3: in the beginning, because our entire financial system would collapse overnight.
Speaker 3: When you're not dependent upon oil as an energy source anymore. Well,
Speaker 3: that completely rearranges all the deck chairs on the Titanic
Speaker 3: in a sense, doesn't it.
Speaker 2: Do you think they're going to the extent of interfering
Speaker 2: in people's lives as far as possible abductions are drugging
Speaker 2: people to perpetuate this agenda.
Speaker 3: I think it's been done. I don't know what exactly
Speaker 3: is their purpose for doing that, maybe to further the
Speaker 3: whole Well, we.
Speaker 2: Have plenty of experiencers quote unquote experiencers and abductees that
Speaker 2: have had these incredible experiences that they in turn go
Speaker 2: onto to a conference we're getting, They go on the
Speaker 2: big talk shows and they become very well known, and
Speaker 2: they are perpetuating a certain UFO narrative. And they have
Speaker 2: a lot of folks that are former intelligence right now.
Speaker 2: They are former military that have become very entrenched in
Speaker 2: the UFO community and they are speaking on behalf of
Speaker 2: the UFO community, and they're involved with UFO research, and
Speaker 2: some of even admitted that they are still involved with
Speaker 2: counter intelligence operations at the same time that they're in
Speaker 2: the UFO community. So that alone sends up enough red flags.
Speaker 2: But I think that people are being inserted into community
Speaker 2: at the least to perpetuate some of these narratives. But
Speaker 2: as far as recreating an extraterrestrial experience with an individual
Speaker 2: by a nefarious group, I've heard from individuals that they
Speaker 2: believe that this is happening.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I've heard from individuals as well that
Speaker 3: this is certainly a thing. Can actually talk to a
Speaker 3: lot of people who claim to have been involved with
Speaker 3: a mill lab or a military abduction. So of course
Speaker 3: they're trying to really push this whole notion of aliens,
Speaker 3: and I think there's a lot of that. There's a
Speaker 3: lot of infiltration in the UFO research community, and a
Speaker 3: lot of people that claim to be former intelligence operatives
Speaker 3: are in there. And if you know anything about the
Speaker 3: intelligence community, there's no such thing as a former intelligence operative.
Speaker 3: They never retire. They're bound until the day they die
Speaker 3: to work for the agency. And here's the thing, and
Speaker 3: a lot of people don't necessarily realize this. The intelligence community,
Speaker 3: where do you think it got its ideas, from its
Speaker 3: operational standards from from secret society groups. It's the same
Speaker 3: notion that goes on from there. The original secret society
Speaker 3: groups were the original intelligence agencies. It's just been kind
Speaker 3: of expanded out and blown out into this whole government
Speaker 3: funded operation now, and that's where it becomes extremely dangerous.
Speaker 3: It's created a situation where you have a group of
Speaker 3: people with no accountability out there operating ad hoc however
Speaker 3: they want. So this sets up a situation wherein you
Speaker 3: could have this runaway, breakaway civilization that's taken hold within
Speaker 3: the structure in a parasitic type fashion of national governments
Speaker 3: and innertional governments. So I think that's largely what's going on.
Speaker 3: And who knows. I mean, all the things you hear
Speaker 3: about UFOs and aliens that comes out, it's always a
Speaker 3: second hand source. There's never any primary evidence that supports
Speaker 3: any claims. It's always just, well, I saw a document
Speaker 3: that says there were aliens, or I got a glimpse
Speaker 3: through a dark hallway through a door at an alien
Speaker 3: body or some such thing, that these aliens exist. And
Speaker 3: you hear about these underground labs and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: We're in there supposedly genetically engineering different things. And I
Speaker 3: think that's another science that's largely been covered up in
Speaker 3: the auspice of the military industrial complex too, is this
Speaker 3: whole biological notion of cloning and genetic engineering that's gone on.
Speaker 3: That's probably way further advance than we think. And I
Speaker 3: think the only reason we haven't really seen a viable
Speaker 3: quote unquote alien yet is because they haven't been able
Speaker 3: to engineer one that would sufficiently pass the test of
Speaker 3: the public as far as appearance goes. So we may
Speaker 3: be seeing that in the near future. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't claim to have the answers. I've studied this
Speaker 3: phenomenon for a long time, and it's always invariably points
Speaker 3: in the two directions, the first of which is always
Speaker 3: the occult there's always occult ties to this stuff, always.
Speaker 3: And the other direction is to the ends of this
Speaker 3: transhumanist control grid that they seek to set up in
Speaker 3: the world. And they're well under way in setting up
Speaker 3: this system.
Speaker 2: Let's get into let's get into some of those possibilities
Speaker 2: you were talking earlier that you believe that it may
Speaker 2: not necessarily be what we understand a traditional fake alien invasion,
Speaker 2: that they may have more layers to this than we
Speaker 2: could ever be aware of.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And I'm going to go ahead, and we're going
Speaker 3: to go back, and we're going to look at the
Speaker 3: original War of the World's scenario by Orson Wells and
Speaker 3: the Princeton Radio Group that occurred back in nineteen thirty eight,
Speaker 3: if memory serves me, thirty eight. Well, this whole operation
Speaker 3: caused quite a national stir and actually It's said that
Speaker 3: in Grover's Mills they destroyed their water tower thinking it
Speaker 3: was one of these Marshan walkers. So this was a
Speaker 3: psychological test, was an operation, and this is well acknowledged
Speaker 3: by the Princeton Radio Group and a gentleman named Hadley
Speaker 3: Cantrell that wrote a book based upon this. So they
Speaker 3: were collecting data back then to see how the public
Speaker 3: would react to a daily an invasion, essentially what they're
Speaker 3: thinking would be And at that point they came to
Speaker 3: some certain conclusions about that wherein they thought the public
Speaker 3: perhaps would panic in such a way just based upon
Speaker 3: the evidence that he's seen. And they also in so
Speaker 3: doing they were gathering some more important information that and
Speaker 3: this has to do everything to do with social engineering.
Speaker 3: They were monitoring what the effects of radio broadcasts can
Speaker 3: convince people as being true. And this was later applied
Speaker 3: to the notion of television, the Internet, all the other
Speaker 3: forms of media that we have now. The initiative they
Speaker 3: collected from this Princeton Radio Group study that was this
Speaker 3: source in Wells broadcast. That's one of the early things
Speaker 3: that they used to come to the realization that, hey,
Speaker 3: we could use this as a programming tool. And they've
Speaker 3: since done so, not just with radio and television, the Internet,
Speaker 3: everything all across the board. And when you realize that
Speaker 3: over ninety percent of all media is owned and controlled
Speaker 3: by a very small group of corporations, and that the
Speaker 3: information is all sent through central resources which are known
Speaker 3: as newswire services, then you could see how they could
Speaker 3: do this top down control in this top down dissemination
Speaker 3: of information. So they realized that they could hugely influence
Speaker 3: public consciousness using these tools. They've only since doubled down
Speaker 3: against that. So here's the whole notion here. So they've
Speaker 3: they've come up with this alien archetype, this archetypal thing,
Speaker 3: this unknown, this fear of the unknown in the human mind,
Speaker 3: and this is the archetype they're leverage against people. Of course,
Speaker 3: it's the fear archetype, fear of the unknown. And I
Speaker 3: would say that what if the god is they've taken
Speaker 3: this archetype, this alien motif and archetype, and they've leveraged
Speaker 3: it against the human mind in this way, because what
Speaker 3: do we know? Do you remember the story of War
Speaker 3: of the World? What killed the motions in War of
Speaker 3: the World? Germs, germs, bacteria now there's always through all
Speaker 3: science fiction motifs. When you look at this whole alien motif,
Speaker 3: there's always an attachment or a type of inference within
Speaker 3: the narrative of disease.
Speaker 1: Disease.
Speaker 3: Just prior to the rollout of COVID, we had to
Speaker 3: the Star's Academy come out revealing this alien information, and
Speaker 3: we're seeing a continuation of that going on now that
Speaker 3: they've only just recently brought this up after the whole
Speaker 3: COVID pandemic situation. Remember, prior to the COVID pandemic situation,
Speaker 3: you had to the Stars Academy and Tom DeLonge from
Speaker 3: Link one to eighty two out there disseminating this information,
Speaker 3: working with former intelligence officials like hal put Off. And
Speaker 3: why is his name escaping me all over the place?
Speaker 3: Who's the ons Alisondo? Thank you?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Sometimes the information escapes, But you have these guys out there.
Speaker 3: We're promoting this at the time, and they came forward
Speaker 3: with DeLonge and we're trying to get this information out there.
Speaker 3: That's when this whole tic tac Ufo footage and everything surfaced.
Speaker 3: So they were laying the foundation. Then well, here's the thing.
Speaker 3: We did a program on this on Crow Triple seven Radio.
Speaker 3: It was episode number one sixty nine where we took
Speaker 3: a part this whole the Star's Academy bit and this
Speaker 3: whole notion. And remember this was prior to the pandemic,
Speaker 3: wherein I began to notice many of the people that
Speaker 3: were on de Lounge's team that he put together were
Speaker 3: either virologists, microbiologists, or many of these other things that
Speaker 3: don't seem to relate to any type of spacecraft idea
Speaker 3: or space ideology. There were several of them on his team.
Speaker 3: Now I don't remember their names and positions within to
Speaker 3: the Stars Academy off the top of my head, but
Speaker 3: we did an entire breakdown, We did a whole episode
Speaker 3: on this on Grow Triple seven Radio. And then we
Speaker 3: began to notice this attachment that seems to be a
Speaker 3: motif that runs deep with the whole alien narrative that
Speaker 3: attaches to the idea of viruses or bacteria or germs,
Speaker 3: and I think there's a definitive connection there. So fast
Speaker 3: forward a couple of years from when they were starting
Speaker 3: to roll this out your role on UoT Disclosure and
Speaker 3: then we and the onset of this pandemic, this alleged
Speaker 3: pandemic that affected the world in many ways. So now
Speaker 3: here we are post pandemic. They finally lifted most of
Speaker 3: the restrictions and everything, and it's kind of faded off
Speaker 3: into the sunset. Now now they're out there rolling out
Speaker 3: the alien agenda again, and in the meantime, you have
Speaker 3: other people out there perhaps pushing thea that there will
Speaker 3: be a future pandemic that's coming that will be worse
Speaker 3: than this last one. Now, I would caution people pay
Speaker 3: attention to this because maybe that's the alien invasion that
Speaker 3: we're looking at here again, because let's face it, humanity
Speaker 3: in reaction to the whole COVID thing pretty much willingly
Speaker 3: gave away many of their human rights on a massive scale.
Speaker 3: Now it's been said that I think it's sixty nine
Speaker 3: percent of the overall world population and got at least
Speaker 3: one of these COVID vaccines at least one dose. That's
Speaker 3: a massive number of people, and that screams social engineering.
Speaker 3: They tried to coerce people every way they can, almost
Speaker 3: forced people in certain situations, Hey, you want to keep
Speaker 3: your job, you need to go get this. Look what
Speaker 3: they've done. Now, think back to the orson wells thing.
Speaker 3: This is the culmination of what the data that they gathered.
Speaker 3: Then they learned the best ways to manipulate a society
Speaker 3: with this archetype okay, the alien, which is the archetype
Speaker 3: of fear of the unknown, and they put a face
Speaker 3: or a personification on that. And much of the time
Speaker 3: that's what they do with these archetypal ideas. They will
Speaker 3: present it as a symbol because see, when they give
Speaker 3: you a symbol or they give you a personification of
Speaker 3: a thing, it empowers it and then it can be
Speaker 3: leveraged and used by those who understand the intention behind it.
Speaker 3: This is the whole basis that mythology operates on. Do
Speaker 3: you really think people in the ancient times were that
Speaker 3: really the way we present them in our modern history
Speaker 3: books stuff. Oh, they were backwards and they believe that
Speaker 3: such and such a god did this, and a god
Speaker 3: did that. They weren't talking about gods. This was a
Speaker 3: personification of natural energies that the people recognized that they
Speaker 3: gave a name and a face to which empowered the
Speaker 3: symbol or the archetype. And this is why Manly P.
Speaker 3: Hall says, when man learns to recognize the language of symbology.
Speaker 3: I think veil will fall from his eyes. That's exactly
Speaker 3: what they mean. So when you recognize the archetype at play,
Speaker 3: know that they're ramping up some sort of fear factor
Speaker 3: or unknown ning and fear factor. Do you think that
Speaker 3: was just a clever name for a TV show that
Speaker 3: the Joe rogan on prior to him becoming such a
Speaker 3: big deal. Really, so you'll kind of think about these things.
Speaker 2: There's always the fear for we always have to have
Speaker 2: the invisible enemy, or we wouldn't need Daddy government and
Speaker 2: military industrial complex to protect us from said enemy, or
Speaker 2: new modern science as our new religion so that they
Speaker 2: can figure out a cure for any type of pandemic
Speaker 2: or disease that may be threatening us.
Speaker 3: Well, I'd urge anybody out there go ahead and just
Speaker 3: google alien virus and look at all the returns you're
Speaker 3: going to get. In fact, there was even it was
Speaker 3: even said by some people that perhaps COVID came from
Speaker 3: outer space. This is not a new thing. This is
Speaker 3: a trope that's been going on for a long time now.
Speaker 3: So yes, certainly we can see that perhaps that will
Speaker 3: be their narrative. Perhaps we will have quote unquote alien
Speaker 3: visitation here, and all of a sudden, we'll have a
Speaker 3: disease outbreak or some such thing that they'll aim on
Speaker 3: the inversion of these aliens, whether it's a friendly invasion
Speaker 3: or well, well you can't call it a friendly invasion
Speaker 3: or a friendly contact, we should say, or an invasion.
Speaker 3: Perhaps that's the notion they'll go to with this. Now.
Speaker 3: I do reserve the right to be totally wrong about
Speaker 3: all of this, obviously, but it seems to me there's
Speaker 3: that inherent connection there. Well, they seem too.
Speaker 2: Much time, too much energy, They've put too much into
Speaker 2: the psychological operation of the next pandemic to not take
Speaker 2: advantage of it. So why not beef it up and
Speaker 2: combine it with an alien threat. That would be the
Speaker 2: ultimate operation to gain control over humanity, right.
Speaker 3: Win or winter in dinner. That's the whole notion that
Speaker 3: I think is coming here, Chris, that's my that's my
Speaker 3: intuition on all of they think they're going to concurrently
Speaker 3: push both of those. Now, it may not look like
Speaker 3: an alien invasion, because that's what they've been talking about
Speaker 3: now for at least the past three decades. This idea
Speaker 3: of a mock alien invasion might not be that, but
Speaker 3: it might be just simply contact with an alien race
Speaker 3: that perhaps visits are and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: we have this new disease that's super deadly to mankind,
Speaker 3: or at least that's what the claim will be, or
Speaker 3: you know, the claim that these are quote unquote extraterrestrials
Speaker 3: that have visited here, that I think is the notion
Speaker 3: that we might coming. So I think it's a hugely
Speaker 3: important idea for people to consider here.
Speaker 2: Do you think that there is an anomalous phenomena that's
Speaker 2: occurring with non human intelligences or entities where people are
Speaker 2: interacting with something, where there is something occurring that is
Speaker 2: either communicating with humanity, manifesting in some way to certain
Speaker 2: individuals and causing a causing certain people to have experiences
Speaker 2: that they can't explain, where they only understand as they're
Speaker 2: communicating or having contact with an extraterrestrial Could there be
Speaker 2: these interdimensional Are these entities that reside in different spectrums
Speaker 2: that we can't perceive, that are attempting to communicate us,
Speaker 2: communicate with us that aren't necessarily the extraterrestrials that we're
Speaker 2: being told about.
Speaker 3: I have one hundred percent think there is definitely a
Speaker 3: real phenomenon here. There's absolutely these beings or entities or
Speaker 3: whatever you want to call them, intelligences that do sometimes
Speaker 3: contact people. I would say it's probably something more akin
Speaker 3: to a spiritual thing rather than a physical material world
Speaker 3: reality here. Maybe sometimes they can manifest in a material
Speaker 3: type way here. But there's definitely something to this phenomenon
Speaker 3: because it pre dates all of the the modern era.
Speaker 3: It's been talked about in different ways through the ages here,
Speaker 3: spirit manifestations, ghosts, demons, fairies, all of these different aspects
Speaker 3: of things have been attributed to this. I think it's
Speaker 3: the same phenomenon or phenomena, a group of phenomena that
Speaker 3: has been leveraged heavily upon here in the modern era
Speaker 3: by the science fiction of the time and equated back
Speaker 3: to this idea of aliens or extraterrestrials. Now, am I
Speaker 3: saying that it's not possible that there's extraterrestrials. Well, no,
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that at all. It's certainly possible, But
Speaker 3: I think the nature of the phenomena that we are
Speaker 3: seeing points to one of two things. It's either a
Speaker 3: man made contrivance that's being inculcated into the minds of
Speaker 3: people through various mind control technologies and techniques, and or
Speaker 3: their spiritual phenomena or extra dimensional type phenomena that underlies
Speaker 3: some of it as well. I think a combination of
Speaker 3: these different factors certainly plays a role here. There's a
Speaker 3: real phenomena. There are real intelligences out there that have
Speaker 3: always been ever present here on earth, and sometimes we
Speaker 3: see into that other world, if you want to call
Speaker 3: it that. And these things have been described by the
Speaker 3: occultists and by the Secret Society groups in many ways
Speaker 3: as far as.
Speaker 1: The different.
Speaker 3: Ideas as to what these things could be, everything from
Speaker 3: hierarchies of spiritual entities that maybe begin to manifest here,
Speaker 3: to elementals, to various other types of intelligences that guide
Speaker 3: energetic forces in this place. There's all of these different notions,
Speaker 3: and of course you always bring in the idea of
Speaker 3: the eggrigor or the tulpa. This is empowered by human
Speaker 3: thought and human intention, so you have a lot of this.
Speaker 3: This ties back to a lot of the same teachings
Speaker 3: as well. So you have manifestations here that begin in
Speaker 3: the realm of thought and then they manifest at some
Speaker 3: point even physical materially.
Speaker 1: Here.
Speaker 3: You could look at these different philosophies from many different perspectives,
Speaker 3: but the whole point is, yes, there's a definitive phenomena
Speaker 3: that is concurrent with this. Now, does it relate to
Speaker 3: the notion of this quote unquote alien invasion that we
Speaker 3: may or may not see coming. I don't think it does.
Speaker 3: I think that's largely a contrivance by those in this
Speaker 3: world who want to maintain their power here and push
Speaker 3: mankind backwards in his spiritual way of thinking, in his
Speaker 3: spiritual development, and keep him walcked in the hyper materialist paradigm.
Speaker 1: Here.
Speaker 3: Rudolph de Steiner described this as the spirit of Aramon.
Speaker 3: I would describe it as a portion of the spirit
Speaker 3: of Antichrist in the modern day.
Speaker 1: Here.
Speaker 3: This is trapping people's minds into this material world notion
Speaker 3: of thinking. This is why our science will tell us
Speaker 3: that consciousness and you know, human spirit and all of
Speaker 3: these things are nothing more than the byproducts of the
Speaker 3: electrochemical activity of the brain and brain stem. And all
Speaker 3: of these things are an illusion that it's just the
Speaker 3: byproduct of some physical material world process here. And if
Speaker 3: that's the case, if that is true, which in my
Speaker 3: estimation it is not. It is a why. But if
Speaker 3: that is true, if consciousness can be equated to something
Speaker 3: little more than the electrochemical byproduct of the human brain
Speaker 3: and brain stem, then this can be duplicated via algorithm.
Speaker 3: And if this can be duplicated via algorithm, it can
Speaker 3: be duplicated and become manifest in a machine, in a computer,
Speaker 3: a computer simulation, or some such thing. And then therefore
Speaker 3: you could transfer your consciousness somewhere else. And this is
Speaker 3: what the modern cult of scientism would like us to believe,
Speaker 3: that everything can be equated down to a material world,
Speaker 3: physical cause and effect relationship between these various things. But
Speaker 3: there's something missing. They miss the whole spiritual concept con
Speaker 3: connotation to everything with this way of thinking. But that's
Speaker 3: why they try to steer our thinking into this material paradigm.
Speaker 3: And as I said, Rudolph Steiner describes this as the
Speaker 3: spirit of Ariman. Yeah, the spirit of Araman would like
Speaker 3: you trapped in this material paradigm and thinking in this
Speaker 3: sheer material way of thinking.
Speaker 1: I want to.
Speaker 2: Explore a few theories and concepts with you based on
Speaker 2: different conversations I've had with different researchers with very different
Speaker 2: views of what's happening. First of all, the UFO aspect,
Speaker 2: the possibility that there are encounters occurring where people are
Speaker 2: being either experimented on medically or technologically, or even being
Speaker 2: secially impregnated physically by some sort of extraterrestrial being, in
Speaker 2: turn making hybrid entities, which this could be a large
Speaker 2: scale operation to globally create hybrid entities and in turn
Speaker 2: gradually change what we are as humanity. There's that side.
Speaker 2: Then I had guests like Nathaniel Gillis on the other day,
Speaker 2: who does believe this is a completely spiritual phenomenon when
Speaker 2: we're talking about non human intelligences that also have the
Speaker 2: ability to somehow affect our reality in ways to where
Speaker 2: they can impregnate women somehow, what you would call incubus
Speaker 2: or sucubis can impregnate women the same thing as happening
Speaker 2: in a hybridization sense over a long period of time.
Speaker 2: So where it's they're attempting to change humanity, but it's
Speaker 2: a more of a metaphysical or spiritual nature. What do
Speaker 2: you think about that?
Speaker 3: Well, I think there is a medasical side to it,
Speaker 3: for certain, and I also think that maybe there is
Speaker 3: a real world, physical manifestation of that that can be
Speaker 3: going on to some shape, way, shape or form. All
Speaker 3: you got to do is look back at the story
Speaker 3: of Genesis chapter six, the incursion of the Watchers, and
Speaker 3: the Book of Enoch, all these things you see all
Speaker 3: these similar things going on. The fallen angels, they came
Speaker 3: down and unto the daughters of men, they made it
Speaker 3: with them, and of them were born, being known as
Speaker 3: the Nephelum, which were the heroes of old, the great
Speaker 3: men of renown. And it says in the Bible that
Speaker 3: there were giants in those days and also after that.
Speaker 3: That's what these were. This was the incursion of some
Speaker 3: type of an entity that doesn't belong in this material world.
Speaker 3: It was an abomination in the eyes of God, the Creator.
Speaker 3: And this is why many theologians and many people who
Speaker 3: study these things will say that the great flood occurred.
Speaker 3: It was to wipe out this extant group that did
Speaker 3: not belong here. They're not something that belongedungs in this
Speaker 3: material manifestation, but they seek to be here. And you
Speaker 3: see this all across the different occult organizations and fraternities
Speaker 3: and brotherhoods. The whole notion that there are these spiritual
Speaker 3: type entities out there that seek nothing else than to
Speaker 3: manifest physically materially in this place. It's something that's said
Speaker 3: to be a great desire of those types of beings,
Speaker 3: whether they be fallen angelic beings or whether they be
Speaker 3: some other type of entity like an elemental spirit or
Speaker 3: some such thing. They seek to manifest here Philly and
Speaker 3: have this physical experience. And they are jealous of humans
Speaker 3: because of this, jealous of mankind because we are created
Speaker 3: in the image of God and we are here in
Speaker 3: this material manifestation, and this is where our spirits reside,
Speaker 3: and they want nothing more for their spirits to be
Speaker 3: able to manifest in this way, and thus they seek
Speaker 3: to find different ways who get here estimation?
Speaker 2: Could could this also? Could this also be occurring with
Speaker 2: aspects of technology, to where somehow these entities are able
Speaker 2: to inhabit our technology AI and like a Golam type since.
Speaker 3: And I think you were just going the exact place
Speaker 3: where I was heading next with this, essentially, yes, that's
Speaker 3: what my view is AI transhumanism. All of these different notions,
Speaker 3: I think are a way in which these different spiritual
Speaker 3: manifestations can become or step through the gateway here into
Speaker 3: this place. Now, what you need to understand about this,
Speaker 3: just from my research and the things that I know
Speaker 3: and I've seen and the things that I've been able
Speaker 3: to vet out as well as possible, AI in and
Speaker 3: of itself is not a viable framework for a type
Speaker 3: of spiritual entity to manifest. They need something more. And
Speaker 3: this is where things come a little bit more convoluted
Speaker 3: and a little bit more turning. This has to do
Speaker 3: with this notion of transhumanism. Because we as human beings,
Speaker 3: are made and created in the image and likeness of God.
Speaker 3: Mankind himself is a composite being of sorts. We have
Speaker 3: a physical body, we have a spirit, we have a soul,
Speaker 3: and we have a mind. All of these things combined
Speaker 3: we are a threefold and four square being simultaneously. And
Speaker 3: this is acknowledged in different ways by the secrets of
Speaker 3: side groups. So, in order for a spirit to be
Speaker 3: able to fully manifest in this place in a physical
Speaker 3: material world, since it needs to have that type of
Speaker 3: a framework. Now that's missing when it comes to AI.
Speaker 3: But here's the kicker. Humanity, mankind, the body of man
Speaker 3: created in the image of God, this is the gateway
Speaker 3: between worlds. This is where in a spirit can step
Speaker 3: in and manifest. So you've heard of things like walk ins.
Speaker 3: I think there's a very similar phenomena that can occur
Speaker 3: once the transhumanist notion of things takes place. They want
Speaker 3: to merge your mind and your body with the machine.
Speaker 3: In so doing, this creates an artificial form that does
Speaker 3: not exist and is not intended to exist in this
Speaker 3: material reality or this world in which we live and manifest,
Speaker 3: And therefore it becomes an abomination to God and to
Speaker 3: all of creation. It's completely unatural. It's the inversion of
Speaker 3: the whole natural order of things. And at that point
Speaker 3: therein can step in my estimation, a spirit into this place.
Speaker 3: Especially when you consider they are promising mankind that through
Speaker 3: this use of transhumanism, you can upload your consciousness into
Speaker 3: a machine. Well, in my view, that's just a ruse.
Speaker 3: Will it actually be the ontological self you that exists there,
Speaker 3: don't I think so? I think it will just be
Speaker 3: a replica and artificiated replica of your behaviors and maybe
Speaker 3: some of your thoughts and this kind of a thing.
Speaker 3: In the mean, so therefore it leaves this void. So
Speaker 3: I think it's an advanced form of eugenics. And this
Speaker 3: has been admitted by some pro transhumanists that transhumanism is
Speaker 3: just something that is eugenics based. In fact, there's a
Speaker 3: quote from a pro transhumanist YouTube channel out there. I
Speaker 3: think it's called Transhumania if I remember right, is the
Speaker 3: name of the channel. In one of their videos, they
Speaker 3: said that transhumanism is quote unquote eugenics without coercion. So
Speaker 3: that being the case, this is just part and parcel
Speaker 3: of the whole depopulation campaign that has been talked about.
Speaker 1: For many years.
Speaker 3: They'll convince people that if they go ahead and get
Speaker 3: these transhumanist implants and they upload their consciousness to the machine,
Speaker 3: that they'll live forever and that this will benefit them,
Speaker 3: but in reality, it's just a eugenics program to depopulate them.
Speaker 3: Then their spirit will go off. They will actually die
Speaker 3: in the process of replicating the consciousness in a machine.
Speaker 3: And you could look at there's various transhumanist white papers
Speaker 3: out there talking about this, how scanning the brain every
Speaker 3: component of the brain is possible, but it would destroy
Speaker 3: the brain in the process. So therefore what would happen is,
Speaker 3: you know, the human being the spirit, the animus that
Speaker 3: was in that body leaves and moves on to the
Speaker 3: next plane or whatever, and it leaves a void, a
Speaker 3: spiritual void in its place. So that's when you could
Speaker 3: get the notion of perhaps a walk in of sorts,
Speaker 3: so a different spirit steps through the gateway, because remember,
Speaker 3: the human being is the gateway.
Speaker 2: Now let's close on this. Could it be possible that
Speaker 2: if enough people become aware of these genders, if enough
Speaker 2: people wake up to this and decide not to participate
Speaker 2: or even pay attention to what they're attempting to show us,
Speaker 2: could it possible that we skew the inevitable timeline that
Speaker 2: we could be headed on and prevent a lot of
Speaker 2: these events from occurring.
Speaker 3: I would say that's immensely possible, and I have a
Speaker 3: great deal of hope that we can reject this. That's
Speaker 3: the whole notion. Need to be aware of what's being
Speaker 3: handed to us by these social engineers who run things,
Speaker 3: these dark ocultists at the top of the power structure
Speaker 3: that run things, and we need to reject it. We
Speaker 3: need to get in right relationship with God, our creator,
Speaker 3: and you know there's various ways we can do that.
Speaker 3: I am an unapologetic Christian. So I see Christ as
Speaker 3: the answer in my view. People are, of course, are
Speaker 3: you know, free to think whatever they want about that,
Speaker 3: but that I would harken people draw unto Christ. And this,
Speaker 3: I think is the answer that can have this off
Speaker 3: because we do see coming to fruition the very things
Speaker 3: that were predicted in the Book of Revelation and through
Speaker 3: various places in the Bible. So that being the case,
Speaker 3: I think this is part of answer, but the biggest
Speaker 3: part of the answer also is rejecting these things, rejecting
Speaker 3: these notions, understanding the path that they put us on,
Speaker 3: and let's make it harder for these dark occultists at
Speaker 3: the top of the power structure to get what they want.
Speaker 3: Reject things like central bank digital currencies, which are absolutely
Speaker 3: part and parcel of one of the main in constituents
Speaker 3: to putting in place their beast system that they want.
Speaker 3: Let's reject that. We do not ever want to lose
Speaker 3: the notion of using some physical form of currency, because
Speaker 3: the day that we do so is the day that
Speaker 3: we lose the most freedoms ever in human history. Because
Speaker 3: they're not just talking about going digital with their currencies
Speaker 3: when you're talking about central bank digital currencies, talking about
Speaker 3: of all, they're going to centralize all the different types
Speaker 3: of money systems into one. And then second of all,
Speaker 3: they're talking about programmable money, money that you can only
Speaker 3: use to buy certain things, or it has an expiration date,
Speaker 3: or any factor, any combination of these different factors in play,
Speaker 3: including and not limited to a social credits are attached
Speaker 3: thereof So, if you are a bad boy and you
Speaker 3: post something on YouTube that doesn't align with the mainstream narrative,
Speaker 3: well they could shut you out of your bank account
Speaker 3: until you remove that video, or take back your position
Speaker 3: on that or earn your way back into having certain privileges.
Speaker 3: Because at that point everything becomes a privilege. And this
Speaker 3: is when this whole transhumanist notion of things get goes
Speaker 3: sour and gouth very fast when you look at this
Speaker 3: notion of things. Our rights are derived from God. It's
Speaker 3: acknowledged in the Declaration of Independence. We hold these truths
Speaker 3: to be self evident, that all men are created equal,
Speaker 3: that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights,
Speaker 3: that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Well,
Speaker 3: if you do not acknowledge that you have a creator
Speaker 3: much like these people, and then religion that is scientism
Speaker 3: to first of all, then you have no human rights
Speaker 3: in the eyes of the power structure. So all bets
Speaker 3: are off. If you don't believe there's a god, there's
Speaker 3: a creator that gave you, that made you, and put
Speaker 3: in play certain natural laws in this place. If you
Speaker 3: don't believe that, well then you have no rights in
Speaker 3: the eyes of the power structure to begin with. So
Speaker 3: they will do whatever they want to or for you
Speaker 3: or against you, whatever they see fit. And in that way,
Speaker 3: when you look at it in that perspective, what this
Speaker 3: does is it takes the idea of rights away from
Speaker 3: being something that you are created with, you're endowed with
Speaker 3: by your creator, and it hands them over to government
Speaker 3: to determine what are your quote unquote rights. And all
Speaker 3: rights that are handled by government are privileges, so they
Speaker 3: can deny you whatever privilege they want without any moral
Speaker 3: recompense on their part for this. This is from their
Speaker 3: point of view, of course, as I'm trying to explain,
Speaker 3: so they see justification in their actions that way. So
Speaker 3: that's my viewpoint is what they want to do is
Speaker 3: they would like to instantiate this this site where you
Speaker 3: don't acknowledge that you have God given rights, and in
Speaker 3: so doing, everything becomes a privilege. And therefore, if you
Speaker 3: have a programmable digital currency, that if your social credit
Speaker 3: score drops below a certain number, they could shut you
Speaker 3: completely out of your bank account. You can't leave your house,
Speaker 3: you can't buy an airplane ticket, you can't travel out
Speaker 3: of your fifteen minute city. All these notions come into play.
Speaker 3: And this is exactly the beast system, the control grid
Speaker 3: they want to set up in this place if we
Speaker 3: allow them. So. The simple act of rejecting something like
Speaker 3: central bank digital currencies is a key component to doing this.
Speaker 3: Let's make it hard for them to get what they want, guys.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. Just reject it if it doesn't make sense,
Speaker 2: if it doesn't resonate you, which most of this nonsense
Speaker 2: that's coming down the pipe, one hundred percent does, just
Speaker 2: don't participate in. It's the easiest answer that we.
Speaker 1: Have so far.
Speaker 2: Wayne, Thank you so much. This was great. Can't wait
Speaker 2: to do it again. Before you head out, let the
Speaker 2: audience know where they can find your books and our content.
Speaker 3: All right, Thank you again, Chris. Always a pleasure to
Speaker 3: be on here with you. The Alchemical Tech Revolution podcast
Speaker 3: is available on Spotify or Apple Podcasts or pretty much
Speaker 3: any other podcast player out there. I do that once
Speaker 3: a week usually I have a new free episode that drops.
Speaker 3: I do have a subscriber only episode that comes out
Speaker 3: each week as well, and bonus episodes of another show
Speaker 3: that I do called The Alchemical Lantern, which is a
Speaker 3: live weekly show that's broadcast on Freeworld dot FM Friday
Speaker 3: nights at ten pm Eastern Standard time. Do a replay
Speaker 3: of that also on the podcast there through Spotify. But
Speaker 3: also I have books available if you just google my name,
Speaker 3: they'll turn up there, available on Amazon or pretty much
Speaker 3: anywhere else can buy books. Also, I do have the
Speaker 3: rockfin channel, which is kind of my home base for
Speaker 3: live streaming and stuff like that. I also have a
Speaker 3: YouTube channel, but I don't really do an awful lot
Speaker 3: with that anymore except for post the free podcast episode
Speaker 3: when it's something that they're not going to take down
Speaker 3: on me. So I just use that as a tool
Speaker 3: to try to reach people to get them over to
Speaker 3: the other platforms at this point. Also, I'm a prolific writer,
Speaker 3: so I also have the Alchemicalbeacon dot substact dot com.
Speaker 3: I love substack. It's a great platform, Chris. If you
Speaker 3: haven't been on there yet, and you should get over there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, check that out. Definitely. All right, thank you so much,
Speaker 2: great stuff. We'll defin when we do this again. And
Speaker 2: until next time, everyone, have an excellent evening and we
Speaker 2: will talk again tomorrow. We'll see y'all then.