WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.760 --> 00:00:01.280 Dot Org. 2 00:00:06.200 --> 00:00:11.119 KCAA is your CNBC News affiliate where the station that 3 00:00:11.560 --> 00:00:14.080 gets down to business. 4 00:00:16.239 --> 00:00:18.519 The information discussed on this show is not intended or 5 00:00:18.519 --> 00:00:21.719 implied to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, 6 00:00:21.760 --> 00:00:24.800 or treatment. All content is for general informational purposes only. 7 00:00:29.199 --> 00:00:30.760 It's Guys Guy Radio. 8 00:00:34.039 --> 00:00:37.119 Here's your host, Robert Manny. 9 00:00:38.159 --> 00:00:41.679 Welcome to Guys Guys Radio. This is your host, Robert Manny, 10 00:00:41.880 --> 00:00:45.039 welcoming you to the show where men and women can 11 00:00:45.079 --> 00:00:48.600 be at their best and everyone wins. Guys Guys Radio, 12 00:00:49.359 --> 00:00:55.119 We're here to inform you, inspire you, empower you, and 13 00:00:55.200 --> 00:00:58.000 get you to think, feel, and who knows, maybe even 14 00:00:58.039 --> 00:01:02.520 act by virtue of the journeys, stories, experiences and insights 15 00:01:02.640 --> 00:01:05.079 of the guests I bring you each and every week 16 00:01:05.159 --> 00:01:07.959 to the show, and this week is once again no exception. 17 00:01:08.040 --> 00:01:10.719 Today we're going to talk about some of the pitfalls 18 00:01:10.760 --> 00:01:14.359 of scrolling and staring down at your phone, particularly staring 19 00:01:14.439 --> 00:01:17.959 down at it, with our special guests return guests, the 20 00:01:18.040 --> 00:01:22.159 creator of Cogno Movement, Bill McKenna. Hey, guys, this is 21 00:01:22.200 --> 00:01:25.439 Guys Guys Radio, where we decode the chaos of modern 22 00:01:25.439 --> 00:01:28.840 life and help you live smarter, stronger, and more consciously. 23 00:01:28.920 --> 00:01:31.400 But here's a question for you. How many times a 24 00:01:31.519 --> 00:01:35.239 day do you check your phone? And more importantly, how 25 00:01:35.239 --> 00:01:40.599 do you feel afterwards. Most people blame their phones for stress, anxiety, 26 00:01:40.840 --> 00:01:44.359 even depression, But what if that's only part of the story. 27 00:01:44.959 --> 00:01:48.280 What if your phone isn't the problem but actually exposing 28 00:01:48.400 --> 00:01:52.159 something deeper going on inside of you. My pal Bill 29 00:01:52.239 --> 00:01:55.239 McKenna are special guests and Creative Conbo Movement, which is 30 00:01:55.280 --> 00:01:58.719 a powerful method designed to help people process emotional blocks 31 00:01:58.760 --> 00:02:01.359 in real time, is going to discuss it today. Today 32 00:02:01.400 --> 00:02:05.079 we're going to connect the dots between your phone, your 33 00:02:05.120 --> 00:02:09.879 nervous system and why so many people feel overwhelmed and 34 00:02:10.000 --> 00:02:12.360 about what to do about it when you're scrolling on 35 00:02:12.400 --> 00:02:13.080 their phone. 36 00:02:13.240 --> 00:02:14.280 So it's like it's. 37 00:02:14.159 --> 00:02:17.719 One of these problems that everybody experiences. We deal with 38 00:02:17.759 --> 00:02:20.840 it each and every day. We know the phone makes 39 00:02:20.919 --> 00:02:24.680 us anxious, but maybe it's actually something deeper. And you know, 40 00:02:24.719 --> 00:02:27.479 the phone's not dopamine, but sometimes it feels like that 41 00:02:27.639 --> 00:02:30.400 there's a lot of hidden triggers behind using our phone 42 00:02:30.439 --> 00:02:32.800 all the time and staring at it, and maybe there's 43 00:02:32.800 --> 00:02:34.680 some new ways to break the cycles. So we're going 44 00:02:34.759 --> 00:02:37.680 to get into that and a lot more with my 45 00:02:37.840 --> 00:02:42.639 pal Bill McKenna, the creative Cognal movement, and who hasn't 46 00:02:42.719 --> 00:02:45.840 found themselves sitting up in bed or lying down bed, 47 00:02:45.599 --> 00:02:52.680 holding your phone, scrolling, staring endlessly beyond your emails, beyond 48 00:02:52.719 --> 00:02:57.919 your texts, beyond your messages through Instagram and TikTok and 49 00:02:58.039 --> 00:03:00.879 whatever else you followed. But a lot of time spent 50 00:03:01.000 --> 00:03:02.840 on the phone and a lot of time staring down 51 00:03:02.919 --> 00:03:04.639 actually at the phone. We're going to get into both 52 00:03:04.680 --> 00:03:08.039 of those issues with Bill McKenna right here on Guys 53 00:03:08.080 --> 00:03:09.120 Guys Radio. 54 00:03:09.719 --> 00:03:11.319 It's Guys Guy Radio. 55 00:03:13.000 --> 00:03:14.840 Okay, guys guys Radio. 56 00:03:14.919 --> 00:03:17.120 It is the interview portion of our show, and I'm 57 00:03:17.120 --> 00:03:20.199 delighted to welcome back my friend and teacher, the wonderful 58 00:03:20.240 --> 00:03:23.199 Bill McKenna, creator of the Cogno movement. 59 00:03:23.639 --> 00:03:24.199 Practice. 60 00:03:24.719 --> 00:03:27.639 Today, we're going to talk about the connection between your 61 00:03:27.719 --> 00:03:32.919 phone and depression, being feeling overwhelmed and feel fulled with 62 00:03:33.080 --> 00:03:36.120 anxiety and you know what, it's not what you think. 63 00:03:36.280 --> 00:03:38.919 We're also going to talk about your eyes being the 64 00:03:39.039 --> 00:03:42.360 joystick of your brain, and we're also going to talk 65 00:03:42.400 --> 00:03:45.840 about how you can feel better, feel love, feel joy, 66 00:03:46.319 --> 00:03:50.000 feel bliss by looking using your eyes and looking in 67 00:03:50.080 --> 00:03:53.639 certain directions. So three cool topics that will help you 68 00:03:54.000 --> 00:03:58.000 right here on Guys Guys Radio. So you know what, Bill, 69 00:03:58.199 --> 00:04:01.120 it's so great to have you back again. Cognal Movement. 70 00:04:01.280 --> 00:04:04.879 You've got some fascinating and provocative ideas always when you 71 00:04:04.919 --> 00:04:08.280 come on the show. Let's step to set the stage though, 72 00:04:08.319 --> 00:04:10.960 give us a quick primer once again about Cogno Movement 73 00:04:11.000 --> 00:04:12.560 for the folks who are not aware of it and 74 00:04:12.639 --> 00:04:15.199 not aware of you and the wonderful work your partner 75 00:04:15.199 --> 00:04:19.040 and you partner, Liz Larson and you do. What problems 76 00:04:19.079 --> 00:04:21.279 are you really solving with Cogno Movement. 77 00:04:22.920 --> 00:04:29.279 So Liz Larson and myself created something we call Cogno Movement, 78 00:04:29.879 --> 00:04:34.120 and basically what it is is we use your nervous 79 00:04:34.120 --> 00:04:40.240 system and your brain to help to basically change your 80 00:04:40.279 --> 00:04:47.360 life in as far as your emotions, your athletic performance, 81 00:04:47.839 --> 00:04:54.120 your mental acuity. We have become known as the people 82 00:04:54.319 --> 00:04:58.920 that can solve really hard to solve problems. We utilize 83 00:04:58.920 --> 00:05:06.920 the entire body and different methods, even the eyeballs, the tongue, 84 00:05:07.040 --> 00:05:11.680 the ears, you name it, to help the brain to 85 00:05:11.839 --> 00:05:19.240 make new connections or or to disconnect unresourceful connections. Liz 86 00:05:19.319 --> 00:05:23.240 Larsen and myself came together. We came at this problem 87 00:05:23.279 --> 00:05:28.040 from different angles. And the kind of interesting thing about 88 00:05:28.079 --> 00:05:34.040 it is because because of that, we're able to solve 89 00:05:34.160 --> 00:05:37.240 problems that really had no solution before. 90 00:05:39.000 --> 00:05:42.720 Fantastic and kind of you've been doing this for about 91 00:05:42.800 --> 00:05:45.639 you know, five ten years now, how long. 92 00:05:45.680 --> 00:05:49.759 It's about a decade now that we've been at this. 93 00:05:50.199 --> 00:05:54.480 So where has it gone from when you started to 94 00:05:54.600 --> 00:05:57.000 now in terms of all the things that you've been 95 00:05:57.040 --> 00:05:59.480 able to layer on, in terms of problems you can solve, 96 00:05:59.480 --> 00:06:01.879 and how does that all kind of tether back to 97 00:06:02.360 --> 00:06:05.079 the core of what the cognal movement practice is? 98 00:06:07.279 --> 00:06:12.040 Well, where did it? Where it started was with just 99 00:06:12.319 --> 00:06:19.319 a simple emotional problems and we were doing some basic 100 00:06:19.600 --> 00:06:25.360 physical exercises that we would have a person concentrate on 101 00:06:25.480 --> 00:06:31.000 their emotional issue and we would throw a ball to 102 00:06:31.120 --> 00:06:34.639 the left and right sides at different points, and the 103 00:06:34.680 --> 00:06:44.240 person would experience this problem basically going away. For example, 104 00:06:45.079 --> 00:06:51.279 they may have felt that financially that they were doomed 105 00:06:51.879 --> 00:06:56.199 and that they would be spending the rest of their 106 00:06:56.240 --> 00:07:00.519 life in poverty. A lot of fear around that, or 107 00:07:00.600 --> 00:07:05.920 other people they had cravings for, you know, let's say 108 00:07:05.920 --> 00:07:12.079 coca cola or ice cream or or marijuana or something else, 109 00:07:12.759 --> 00:07:20.120 and those cravings just literally went away by exercising the 110 00:07:20.160 --> 00:07:25.600 brain and finding that unresourceful area of the brain and 111 00:07:25.639 --> 00:07:29.839 then having it rewired. 112 00:07:29.920 --> 00:07:32.839 If you will, let me throw it before we move 113 00:07:32.920 --> 00:07:35.240 on to today's topics. Let me throw a curveball at 114 00:07:35.240 --> 00:07:39.480 you with that, how would you approach eliminating Let's say 115 00:07:39.519 --> 00:07:42.639 somebody is highly sexual and they crave sex all the time, 116 00:07:42.879 --> 00:07:45.279 and you want to eliminate the fact that it becomes 117 00:07:45.399 --> 00:07:47.680 front and center for them all the time. A lot 118 00:07:47.720 --> 00:07:50.839 of men are still that way, and how do you 119 00:07:50.959 --> 00:07:54.560 eliminate the over craving where it's an issue but keeping 120 00:07:54.600 --> 00:07:56.959 them sexually functional and active. 121 00:07:58.199 --> 00:08:03.800 Right, So there's healthy and then there's unhealthy or resourceful 122 00:08:04.480 --> 00:08:12.160 and unresourceful. There's the situations which it can cause some 123 00:08:12.399 --> 00:08:18.959 serious serious issues for men as as they do things 124 00:08:19.000 --> 00:08:23.399 that they sort of shouldn't be doing, maybe illegal things, 125 00:08:25.160 --> 00:08:32.759 things that will hamper their life. And this kind of 126 00:08:32.799 --> 00:08:37.600 it's a spectrum, right, It goes in degrees, but it 127 00:08:37.799 --> 00:08:40.600 is much the same. This is going to sound weird, 128 00:08:41.600 --> 00:08:47.440 but it's going to sound much the same as a 129 00:08:47.600 --> 00:08:53.559 craving for pizza or ice cream. It's much much more intense, 130 00:08:55.720 --> 00:09:02.600 but it's the same principle. And what it is is 131 00:09:05.080 --> 00:09:11.240 I have this physical sensation and then I have an 132 00:09:11.279 --> 00:09:16.799 emotion that goes along with it. So when these two 133 00:09:17.039 --> 00:09:24.559 get joined, what happens is that we keep going after it, 134 00:09:25.120 --> 00:09:31.159 whatever that is, whether it's coca cola, ice cream, sex, alcohol, 135 00:09:31.600 --> 00:09:35.440 we keep going after that thing to make us feel better. 136 00:09:36.080 --> 00:09:39.639 We want I want to feel different, so I'll reach 137 00:09:39.720 --> 00:09:43.679 for that alcohol or I'll reach for whatever I basically 138 00:09:43.799 --> 00:09:47.480 want to feel better, and then it becomes kind of compulsive. 139 00:09:49.080 --> 00:09:53.639 And what we do is we can find the part 140 00:09:53.679 --> 00:09:59.639 of the brain that has this kind of compulsiveness in it. 141 00:10:00.120 --> 00:10:02.639 And how do we do that will We do it 142 00:10:03.559 --> 00:10:09.720 primarily through your eyeballs. And the way that we do 143 00:10:09.759 --> 00:10:13.919 it through your eyeballs is we watch your eyeballs very 144 00:10:14.039 --> 00:10:18.480 carefully as we begin to get your eyeballs to move, 145 00:10:18.879 --> 00:10:21.240 because your eyeballs are one with the brain. 146 00:10:22.480 --> 00:10:27.480 Okay, let's move then to our number one topic that 147 00:10:27.480 --> 00:10:30.440 we're going to talk about today, beyond what cognal movement 148 00:10:30.519 --> 00:10:32.039 is and some of the applications of it. 149 00:10:32.120 --> 00:10:33.879 But we talked about the phone. 150 00:10:34.000 --> 00:10:37.080 Now you say that the connection between our phones and 151 00:10:37.120 --> 00:10:40.200 anxiety is and what people think, So what's the deeper 152 00:10:40.320 --> 00:10:43.879 mechanism at play there? Everybody's scrolling all the time. Talk 153 00:10:43.919 --> 00:10:48.120 to us about some of the pitfalls that we might 154 00:10:48.159 --> 00:10:50.480 not be aware of that have to do with the phone, 155 00:10:50.639 --> 00:10:52.559 and one of them was kind of looking down right. 156 00:10:53.600 --> 00:10:59.440 Well, yeah, exactly. So we mentioned just a minute ago 157 00:10:59.519 --> 00:11:04.320 that you're eyes are one with the brain literally neurologically. 158 00:11:05.200 --> 00:11:10.080 The Stanford at Stanford Andrew Huberman, who's very popular a 159 00:11:10.120 --> 00:11:13.559 lot of people know. He says, your eyeballs, your brain, 160 00:11:13.639 --> 00:11:20.320 and your spinal cord are one neurological system. So everywhere 161 00:11:20.320 --> 00:11:24.759 we look is activating a different part of the brain. 162 00:11:24.799 --> 00:11:25.639 How do we know this? 163 00:11:26.240 --> 00:11:27.519 Well, if you. 164 00:11:28.960 --> 00:11:34.440 Or anybody, even a child, see somebody looking down, they 165 00:11:34.480 --> 00:11:39.559 see somebody looking down instantly, what do you think you 166 00:11:39.559 --> 00:11:45.080 know that the person is looking downward? Is sad or 167 00:11:45.320 --> 00:11:54.120 introspective or or disconnected? Well, it's it is. It is 168 00:11:55.000 --> 00:12:03.039 an amazing thing that if you look down, you'll stimulate 169 00:12:03.200 --> 00:12:08.200 the parts of the brain that are associated with being 170 00:12:08.240 --> 00:12:16.919 disconnected and also different feelings of you know, they're negative. 171 00:12:19.039 --> 00:12:19.639 We know this. 172 00:12:19.840 --> 00:12:22.039 We know this being humans. You know, back in the day, 173 00:12:22.120 --> 00:12:24.879 people would say, hey, look up, things are going to 174 00:12:24.919 --> 00:12:28.360 be better, you know, look up, don't look so down, 175 00:12:29.039 --> 00:12:31.919 you know, don't look down, you know that that type 176 00:12:31.960 --> 00:12:37.440 of thing. Well, as it turns out, there's scientific evidence 177 00:12:37.519 --> 00:12:42.000 for this. At the National Institutes of Health, I started 178 00:12:42.240 --> 00:12:45.759 years ago. There was a great teacher that I had 179 00:12:45.840 --> 00:12:52.320 that was talking about looking downward and how that that 180 00:12:52.559 --> 00:12:57.519 is going to stimulate your brain, you know, the sadness. 181 00:12:58.080 --> 00:13:03.360 And when I heard this years ago, this was two 182 00:13:03.440 --> 00:13:07.440 thousand and nine, I thought to myself, oh my god, 183 00:13:07.480 --> 00:13:11.720 there's going to be an epidemic of people that are 184 00:13:11.759 --> 00:13:19.840 depressed and maybe end things for themselves. And so so anyway, 185 00:13:20.639 --> 00:13:25.080 this is two thousand and nine. The data proved out 186 00:13:25.799 --> 00:13:30.799 it's true. It ended up becoming reality. And the reason 187 00:13:31.000 --> 00:13:35.240 I knew this is because I saw people with these phones, 188 00:13:36.159 --> 00:13:39.960 and I saw everybody starting to look down. You know, 189 00:13:39.960 --> 00:13:42.840 when you hold your phone, everybody, you know, where do 190 00:13:42.919 --> 00:13:48.639 you look? You look downward. So I knew that this 191 00:13:48.840 --> 00:13:52.559 was taking place. I knew that there was a massive 192 00:13:52.600 --> 00:13:59.240 problem with depression anxiety, but it wasn't until AI and 193 00:13:59.759 --> 00:14:02.559 the A that you know you can pay for. I 194 00:14:02.639 --> 00:14:07.279 got access to the Center for Disease Control at the 195 00:14:07.320 --> 00:14:13.279 World Health Organization their databases and I utilize those databases 196 00:14:14.000 --> 00:14:17.840 and I said, okay, I want you to chart the 197 00:14:20.000 --> 00:14:25.279 diagnosises from two thousand and seven to twenty twenty five 198 00:14:26.320 --> 00:14:32.240 of the people that have been diagnosed with depression, and 199 00:14:33.240 --> 00:14:38.720 the diagnosis of depression went like this perfectly, and the 200 00:14:38.919 --> 00:14:44.559 anxiety exactly like that too. It was just this perfect slope, 201 00:14:45.360 --> 00:14:49.200 you know, like if you took a line and just 202 00:14:49.600 --> 00:14:52.360 draw from the lower left corner to the upper right 203 00:14:52.440 --> 00:14:58.519 corner Despine. Well, then I access the information from the 204 00:14:58.559 --> 00:15:04.240 cell phone industry, so that there's industry where these how 205 00:15:04.279 --> 00:15:08.679 many hours per day per person are we spending on 206 00:15:08.720 --> 00:15:09.679 our cell phones? 207 00:15:10.320 --> 00:15:10.519 You know? 208 00:15:10.639 --> 00:15:14.879 And the so it's the really it's the the true adoption, 209 00:15:15.480 --> 00:15:18.320 right if you only got ten people on cell phones, 210 00:15:18.679 --> 00:15:21.240 you know, you you don't have a quorum of data 211 00:15:21.360 --> 00:15:27.360 and you and you don't really have have enough enough 212 00:15:27.480 --> 00:15:31.720 to tell. So what what happened is is we ran 213 00:15:31.799 --> 00:15:37.639 the report. It exactly mirrors the increase in depression and 214 00:15:37.679 --> 00:15:42.360 the increase in anxiety. So the reason why everybody's thinking, oh, 215 00:15:42.399 --> 00:15:46.519 it's because of social media, it's because of it's because 216 00:15:46.559 --> 00:15:50.480 you're looking down. It's physical. I'm not saying, you know, 217 00:15:50.639 --> 00:15:53.919 obviously there's things with you know, all of these different 218 00:15:53.960 --> 00:15:59.919 social medias. But literally, if you did curls every day, 219 00:16:00.000 --> 00:16:02.200 you went to the gym and did curls every day 220 00:16:02.279 --> 00:16:05.600 for a year, you'd get pretty big biceps, you know. 221 00:16:06.440 --> 00:16:11.919 But people have not associated this is a neurological pattern. 222 00:16:12.320 --> 00:16:17.679 You're literally your nervous system. Everyone's heard the term what 223 00:16:18.600 --> 00:16:24.039 fires together, wires together. Neurologically, this is the case. If 224 00:16:24.080 --> 00:16:27.879 you keep repeating a pattern over and over, it wires 225 00:16:27.919 --> 00:16:32.559 together literally your nervous system. The nervous system, the technical 226 00:16:32.600 --> 00:16:36.159 definition of it is the carrier of an electrical charge. 227 00:16:36.960 --> 00:16:40.519 You keep firing the same circuit over and over, and 228 00:16:40.559 --> 00:16:45.519 that's what you got. Now, the great news is that 229 00:16:46.480 --> 00:16:49.879 there is there's a way out. You know, you can 230 00:16:50.519 --> 00:16:54.679 start to limit your time, or the other way to 231 00:16:54.759 --> 00:16:58.399 do it is to start putting your phone in a 232 00:16:58.440 --> 00:17:01.120 different direction. As you look, look at it, look at 233 00:17:01.159 --> 00:17:04.200 it level, don't look at it down or look at 234 00:17:04.200 --> 00:17:07.559 it up. You know, in your computer, don't put your 235 00:17:07.559 --> 00:17:11.319 computer down. Put your computer on a stand. So it's 236 00:17:11.440 --> 00:17:13.960 just a little bit higher, and all you need is 237 00:17:14.079 --> 00:17:18.759 just a little bit higher. Now, the reason I say 238 00:17:18.799 --> 00:17:23.680 a little bit higher is because you've also heard the term, 239 00:17:23.920 --> 00:17:25.680 you know, hey. 240 00:17:25.640 --> 00:17:26.200 Look up. 241 00:17:26.799 --> 00:17:30.839 You know things are looking up, you know, right, and 242 00:17:32.000 --> 00:17:36.079 looking up a facts a different part of the brain, 243 00:17:36.440 --> 00:17:38.519 and that different part of the brain is right here. 244 00:17:39.880 --> 00:17:42.720 Okay, my special guests on Guys Guys Radio return guess 245 00:17:42.720 --> 00:17:47.839 the amazing Bill McKenna cognal movement. So, what's actually happening 246 00:17:48.000 --> 00:17:51.400 in the nervous system during the time where you know, 247 00:17:51.559 --> 00:17:55.279 when people start scrolling, you're looking at their phone, regardless 248 00:17:55.279 --> 00:17:57.799 of if it's looking down or looking straight ahead. What's 249 00:17:57.880 --> 00:18:02.200 happening in the nervous system that prevents them from stopping? 250 00:18:04.680 --> 00:18:10.559 Oh okay, well, there's numerous things that are preventing them 251 00:18:10.799 --> 00:18:20.799 from stopping. One of them is that novelty. We love novelty. 252 00:18:21.359 --> 00:18:29.079 Novelty is like addictive, you know, chemically, and when you're scrolling, 253 00:18:29.279 --> 00:18:33.400 you're constantly on the hunt, you know, something new, something different, 254 00:18:33.480 --> 00:18:39.680 something interesting, or something that validates my point of view. 255 00:18:41.640 --> 00:18:46.240 Right now, in the world, we have great polarity. I'm 256 00:18:46.400 --> 00:18:50.319 right and whatever side you're on the left, the right 257 00:18:51.200 --> 00:18:54.480 is I am correct and I want. 258 00:18:54.279 --> 00:18:54.519 To be. 259 00:18:55.960 --> 00:19:02.400 With the latest outrage. Can you believe the ignorance of that? 260 00:19:02.960 --> 00:19:06.119 Can you believe the ignorance of them, you know, and 261 00:19:05.920 --> 00:19:09.920 it and it gives us a boost, right it It 262 00:19:10.000 --> 00:19:16.359 really is about our identity and boosting us into this, uh, 263 00:19:16.519 --> 00:19:19.039 into this and fortifying it. 264 00:19:20.200 --> 00:19:20.880 It's amazing. 265 00:19:20.920 --> 00:19:24.160 So do you think that do our phones then amplify 266 00:19:25.359 --> 00:19:29.440 unresolved emotional patterns or do they create and or do 267 00:19:29.559 --> 00:19:30.519 they create new ones? 268 00:19:33.079 --> 00:19:33.400 Well? 269 00:19:33.960 --> 00:19:40.119 Uh, they they amplify and they keep us stuck, you know. 270 00:19:40.599 --> 00:19:41.559 Uh. 271 00:19:41.640 --> 00:19:46.720 The new one that could be created is is uh 272 00:19:47.039 --> 00:19:53.160 what I would call, uh running us down a hole 273 00:19:54.599 --> 00:20:01.559 uh where you know, for example, uh you you know, 274 00:20:02.079 --> 00:20:07.519 I made the mistake one day of clicking on a 275 00:20:07.759 --> 00:20:12.400 YouTube and it was and the mistake that I made 276 00:20:13.160 --> 00:20:16.920 was to click on a YouTube where someone had gotten 277 00:20:17.039 --> 00:20:24.279 arrested for you know something you know, like bribery and 278 00:20:24.519 --> 00:20:29.720 bezelment something like that, right, And it was it was 279 00:20:30.319 --> 00:20:35.359 you know clearly, you know, like the point of view 280 00:20:35.559 --> 00:20:39.680 from one of the parties and they were like, ah, 281 00:20:39.839 --> 00:20:43.720 you know this is this is uh you know, this 282 00:20:43.839 --> 00:20:47.519 particular and it was a very fine sector of the 283 00:20:47.559 --> 00:20:53.759 population and and that they were doing bad things a 284 00:20:53.759 --> 00:21:00.039 particular gender, a particular a subset. 285 00:20:58.960 --> 00:20:59.759 And all the. 286 00:21:01.599 --> 00:21:06.880 My entire YouTube, it was all over the place in 287 00:21:06.960 --> 00:21:11.880 my YouTube and really wanted to make you clickbaited because it's, 288 00:21:11.960 --> 00:21:16.799 oh my gosh, I found that these people they really suck, 289 00:21:17.240 --> 00:21:21.759 you know, so bad. But that's what that's. You pick 290 00:21:21.759 --> 00:21:28.279 a it doesn't matter what lane, you know, whichever way, 291 00:21:28.440 --> 00:21:33.279 you will find reinforcement within that you know, which is 292 00:21:33.319 --> 00:21:37.839 not really the truth, but it will seem as if 293 00:21:38.039 --> 00:21:42.960 it's the truth. So so it is a limited perspective. 294 00:21:43.720 --> 00:21:46.480 And one of the things that Liz Larson and myself 295 00:21:46.599 --> 00:21:51.319 always say in this that we've realized is that it's 296 00:21:51.359 --> 00:21:55.640 all just perspective and we think we think it's real, 297 00:21:56.400 --> 00:21:59.759 We think what we're looking at is one hundred percent real. 298 00:22:00.079 --> 00:22:03.799 Can't talk us out of it. But there's a particular 299 00:22:03.880 --> 00:22:07.960 circuit in the brain and if you don't go beyond, 300 00:22:08.039 --> 00:22:11.079 you'll never know and you'll die that way. But there's 301 00:22:11.079 --> 00:22:11.920 an easy way out. 302 00:22:12.759 --> 00:22:15.680 Okay, well, let's get to that kind of like why 303 00:22:15.759 --> 00:22:17.960 do people and I don't want to know the answer 304 00:22:18.240 --> 00:22:22.240 the solution, but why do people then feel overwhelmed when 305 00:22:22.240 --> 00:22:25.480 they're doing the scrolling even if the content is an 306 00:22:25.519 --> 00:22:27.559 overly negative And we talked about when you look down, 307 00:22:27.599 --> 00:22:28.839 you're going to kind of get depressed. 308 00:22:28.839 --> 00:22:29.359 Over time. 309 00:22:29.400 --> 00:22:32.960 But what if there's an overwhelmed feeling like you may 310 00:22:33.000 --> 00:22:36.799 have had when you were following one topic and then 311 00:22:36.799 --> 00:22:39.119 you got more and more content being thrown at you 312 00:22:39.559 --> 00:22:43.200 in a similar realm topic wise, So and the people, 313 00:22:43.240 --> 00:22:45.640 I think then become overwhelmed by it because they just 314 00:22:45.680 --> 00:22:47.559 keep getting the same thing over and over again. It's 315 00:22:47.599 --> 00:22:51.039 called micro targeting from an advertising standpoint, where you say, 316 00:22:51.240 --> 00:22:53.640 you know, you're watching a racing show and then you 317 00:22:54.079 --> 00:22:57.720 get all these tire advertisements and car advertisements things like that. 318 00:22:57.920 --> 00:23:00.720 So what what. 319 00:23:00.759 --> 00:23:03.640 Why people feel overwhelmed by this? And then what can 320 00:23:03.680 --> 00:23:05.079 they do about it? What's the solution? 321 00:23:06.200 --> 00:23:10.640 Well, that's a really interesting question, and it kind of 322 00:23:11.279 --> 00:23:16.759 goes right back into the eye position. When your eyes 323 00:23:17.160 --> 00:23:21.119 are down right, I don't want to face something. You know, 324 00:23:21.200 --> 00:23:24.920 when when you meet people in person, there they and 325 00:23:25.000 --> 00:23:29.079 they're looking down in a social setting, you know that 326 00:23:29.079 --> 00:23:32.319 that type of thing. They may find the entire thing overwhelmed. 327 00:23:32.359 --> 00:23:37.400 It's just that part of the brain that that they're accessing. 328 00:23:38.039 --> 00:23:42.920 So there's a simple A simple way is to begin to. 329 00:23:43.079 --> 00:23:44.319 Move your eyes. 330 00:23:45.119 --> 00:23:50.160 Move your eyes around and it will force you to 331 00:23:51.079 --> 00:23:57.319 utilize other parts of your brain. You'll start seeing other perspectives. 332 00:23:58.039 --> 00:24:02.480 M hm, So what what can what else can people 333 00:24:02.559 --> 00:24:06.480 do to kind of combat the whole phone and scrolling addiction. 334 00:24:08.319 --> 00:24:14.480 So if you notice, if you notice the phone and 335 00:24:14.559 --> 00:24:20.119 the scrolling addiction, there's a feeling that goes along with it. 336 00:24:20.200 --> 00:24:25.599 If you go to the airport, a restaurant, anywhere, literally 337 00:24:25.720 --> 00:24:29.799 anywhere that people are standing around, most of them have 338 00:24:29.880 --> 00:24:33.160 their phone out and they're looking down. They're scrolling and 339 00:24:33.599 --> 00:24:37.279 swiping left and swiping right and scrolling and scrolling and 340 00:24:37.799 --> 00:24:41.920 all of these things. There is a feeling that you 341 00:24:42.079 --> 00:24:45.960 have in your body before you reach for that phone. 342 00:24:46.640 --> 00:24:51.319 If you take a moment and you just don't grab 343 00:24:51.359 --> 00:24:56.160 the phone and allow the sensation, if you're very aware 344 00:24:56.839 --> 00:24:59.279 from the top of the head to the tips of 345 00:24:59.319 --> 00:25:04.319 the toes and just let that feeling be there, you're 346 00:25:04.359 --> 00:25:08.400 gonna notice. Who knows where it is in your body, 347 00:25:08.759 --> 00:25:11.839 But there's a sensation that goes along with I need 348 00:25:11.880 --> 00:25:16.359 to you know, maybe I'm uncomfortable with the people around me. 349 00:25:16.599 --> 00:25:23.279 Maybe who knows what it is that I maybe I'm 350 00:25:23.359 --> 00:25:28.079 drawn to. Did people like what I said? Or am 351 00:25:28.119 --> 00:25:32.240 I being left out? You know the fear of missing out. 352 00:25:32.359 --> 00:25:36.039 I know people that have gotten off of social media 353 00:25:36.200 --> 00:25:39.640 because they see what they're missing out on and they're like, 354 00:25:39.720 --> 00:25:44.680 it makes them feel bad. So if you let yourself 355 00:25:45.079 --> 00:25:50.680 feel that way and then you do these Cogno Movement exercises. 356 00:25:52.000 --> 00:25:55.680 At the end, we have a free link Cognomovement dot 357 00:25:55.720 --> 00:25:59.359 com forward slash Gateway. There's a free class there for you, 358 00:26:00.079 --> 00:26:05.079 and you'll start to understand and be able to do 359 00:26:05.440 --> 00:26:13.480 exercises where it'll alleviate the driver. The driver is a 360 00:26:13.640 --> 00:26:18.759 sensation in your body. We all have this thing about 361 00:26:18.839 --> 00:26:21.839 us that none of us. I didn't know this, but 362 00:26:23.359 --> 00:26:26.720 there's a sensation or feeling in our body that starts 363 00:26:26.759 --> 00:26:32.920 to come. And then what that does is it drives 364 00:26:33.039 --> 00:26:38.880 us to shrink the Coca cola, smoke the cigarette. You know, 365 00:26:39.680 --> 00:26:42.960 all of these different things and and the phone is 366 00:26:43.160 --> 00:26:43.759 no different. 367 00:26:44.920 --> 00:26:47.160 Okay, let's uh again. 368 00:26:47.359 --> 00:26:51.599 Bill McKenna, the creator of Cogno Movement, our return special 369 00:26:51.599 --> 00:26:53.960 guests to guys Guys Rader. We've been talking about how 370 00:26:54.000 --> 00:26:57.880 to kind of wrestle with the phone and the addictive 371 00:26:57.960 --> 00:27:00.359 qualities of our phone and scrolling. So I think we've 372 00:27:00.359 --> 00:27:03.680 got some good information and ideas to consider, Bilso thank. 373 00:27:03.559 --> 00:27:04.000 You for that. 374 00:27:04.519 --> 00:27:08.279 You also talked about Our next topic is your eyes 375 00:27:08.359 --> 00:27:11.119 are the joystick. So let's test that idea. You've said 376 00:27:11.119 --> 00:27:13.160 that the eyes are like a joystick to the brain, 377 00:27:13.480 --> 00:27:16.000 and that's a bowl claiming build. What do you mean 378 00:27:16.039 --> 00:27:17.640 by that in practical terms? 379 00:27:18.920 --> 00:27:30.400 So the amazing thing is that your memories, your positive outlook, 380 00:27:30.680 --> 00:27:38.759 your negative outlook, your high performance, your low performance, your 381 00:27:39.279 --> 00:27:45.400 repetitive story that you told about yourself or someone else 382 00:27:46.319 --> 00:27:53.799 has a very particular eye direction, a point that once 383 00:27:53.880 --> 00:27:57.680 you know it that and you know how to do 384 00:27:57.720 --> 00:28:00.960 these exercises, that you start to be able to rewire 385 00:28:01.799 --> 00:28:06.759 or to be even aware that, Ah, there's my repetitive story. 386 00:28:07.200 --> 00:28:10.240 When I have my repetitive story, I look over to 387 00:28:10.359 --> 00:28:14.400 the over to the left and down and that's where 388 00:28:14.559 --> 00:28:17.839 I when I think of this person in my life, 389 00:28:17.880 --> 00:28:20.359 and if I tell the story of what happened, I'll 390 00:28:20.400 --> 00:28:21.240 look over here. 391 00:28:23.079 --> 00:28:24.079 So so. 392 00:28:25.720 --> 00:28:30.319 Just as much as something like that, there is there 393 00:28:30.480 --> 00:28:36.079 is the positives as well. A simple simple story to 394 00:28:36.119 --> 00:28:43.200 illustrate this is there was, uh, there was a mother 395 00:28:43.640 --> 00:28:48.880 that we worked with, and what happened is she had 396 00:28:48.920 --> 00:28:52.079 the dinner table and over on the right side was 397 00:28:52.119 --> 00:28:57.119 her daughter and she was so nice and kind, you know, 398 00:28:57.200 --> 00:29:02.200 and there was always easy with her daughter at dinner, 399 00:29:02.799 --> 00:29:07.240 but somehow, over on the right side is her son sitting. 400 00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:11.759 And for some reason, it's always chaos with her son 401 00:29:12.480 --> 00:29:16.680