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Speaker 2: The film board gathers in the Gang of Thugs is
Speaker 2: going Dino hunting by Sea, Jungle and Sky and Gareth
Speaker 2: Edwards launch of the proposed next trilogy with Jurassic World
Speaker 2: rebirth Doctor Henry Lumis.
Speaker 3: This is Zora Bennett, our mission specialists.
Speaker 4: Sorry, what mission?
Speaker 3: This would be a medical breakthrough that could save countless lives.
Speaker 3: It comes from the largest dinosaurs on the planet.
Speaker 5: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: Fortunately for us, all these species exist in one isolated place.
Speaker 5: Can you be ready tomorrow? I can guarantee your safety here,
Speaker 5: I mean more or less.
Speaker 3: More or less, he's your guy.
Speaker 5: We're the best that moving things and people and a
Speaker 5: lot of places they shouldn't be well put towards Barbados
Speaker 5: avoid government patrol. But aren't that many anymore?
Speaker 2: What's that?
Speaker 3: No one's dumb enough to go where we're going.
Speaker 5: Because island was the research facility for the original Jurassic Park.
Speaker 3: We need DNA from the three biggest dinosaurs.
Speaker 4: Do we have to get a sample from an egg?
Speaker 1: I suppose we could try and get it from the parent,
Speaker 1: but they're flying Carnival the size of an F sixteenth.
Speaker 1: Maybe we should make it quick.
Speaker 2: Just as amber trapped mosquitoes once preserved prehistoric DNA, the
Speaker 2: very spark that brought dinosaurs roaring into existence, Rebirth revides
Speaker 2: a franchise weaving strands of nostalgia new genetic twists for
Speaker 2: a modern audience. Tonight, we'll explore how narrative, visuals, directing,
Speaker 2: and performance can I'm buying to resurrect that primordial wonder
Speaker 2: while having a bit of fun right at the water's edge.
Speaker 2: Your guides this month none other than a full squad
Speaker 2: of dino might adventurers. I'm Pete Wright, and today we've
Speaker 2: got Steve Sarmento, Tommy Matt's the third, Justin, JJ Yeager
Speaker 2: and Mandy Kappan, all here to figure out if cloning
Speaker 2: dinosaur movies is still a good idea, or if it's
Speaker 2: finally time to nuke the islands from space. High Team. Hi,
Speaker 2: welcome to the show. I'm so glad you're all here.
Speaker 2: I have to ask to start we got opening thoughts
Speaker 2: are very important to one member of the team in particular,
Speaker 2: and as the person who champions baby dinosaurs the most,
Speaker 2: I would I like to open the floor to Tom Thomas,
Speaker 2: what did you think of Rebirth?
Speaker 5: Well, first of all, it's a pleasure to be here
Speaker 5: and a happy baby Segasaurus to all of you. As
Speaker 5: we know, I'm a real dino head. I have been
Speaker 5: a proponent for these movies ever since the first one
Speaker 5: came out. I've been trying to catch any of that
Speaker 5: fever since Chasing That Dragon, and it has never come through.
Speaker 5: But I thought, hey, I kind of like this directory
Speaker 5: they have the screenplay person from the first one. I
Speaker 5: heard hype that it was going to be darker and smaller,
Speaker 5: and instead we got this movie.
Speaker 3: Let me just start by saying, I liked two things
Speaker 3: in this movie. Oh my gosh, I can't wait to
Speaker 3: hear what they are. You like two things. I'm so
Speaker 3: happy you like two things. I liked to oh my gosh.
Speaker 5: And Mandy maybe knows what it is because Mandy and
Speaker 5: Night were next to each other. Oh no, I like
Speaker 5: three things, and one of them my favorite part of
Speaker 5: the entire movie was Mandy's reclining chair, an noise.
Speaker 4: Every time she did a very tiny bladder and I
Speaker 4: had to pee a lot, and I would come back
Speaker 4: every time I'd be like, oh, I have to peek
Speaker 4: and Tommy and that was highly entertaining and I'm sorry
Speaker 4: that the rest of you did not have that experience.
Speaker 2: Really, the theater experiments experience is everything for me. Like this,
Speaker 2: I think that's really important. Okay, so we've got three things.
Speaker 2: One of them has already been mentioned for tom We'll
Speaker 2: see how that plays out. JJ, you seem to be
Speaker 2: particularly bearish on this movie.
Speaker 3: Is I'm I'm beside myself and I know, I mean,
Speaker 3: we do this movie, this franchise multiple times for all
Speaker 3: the reasons that Tommy mentioned, and we do a ton
Speaker 3: of franchise movies in the film board because we're connected,
Speaker 3: we feel things, and you know, some of the some
Speaker 3: of what we do is based on the idea that
Speaker 3: people are going to be talking about a movie that's
Speaker 3: coming out, and this movie I don't believe anyone is
Speaker 3: going to be talking about. I think this is essentially
Speaker 3: what I felt throughout the film was we're still doing
Speaker 3: this and I mean this at every level right in
Speaker 3: the filmmaking in the film board in reality, like how
Speaker 3: are we still doing this over and over again? Like
Speaker 3: let's let's try something different, because this is I mean,
Speaker 3: there's there's so much that makes me angry about this film,
Speaker 3: and the ridiculousness in this film is legion. There is
Speaker 3: so much that is needn't have bothered about. So many
Speaker 3: turns in this film are completely valueless. So I would
Speaker 3: this is why you got my very loud reaction when
Speaker 3: I heard that there are things that people like that's
Speaker 3: what I need here, because it was it was worthless
Speaker 3: to me.
Speaker 2: Oh, dear, okay, JJ coming in hot Steve, if I remember,
Speaker 2: you are a massive booster for David Cap, right, I
Speaker 2: think you really love David cap.
Speaker 3: Is that right?
Speaker 2: No? Oh, I don't know why you're getting that problem.
Speaker 2: That's right, there are there are.
Speaker 1: Things, but I really, after I reflect on this, mom,
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, this movie is the perfect metaphor
Speaker 1: for itself. You have a world where people have grown
Speaker 1: in different to dinosaurs. You've got creative people trying to
Speaker 1: make the biggest, baddest mutated thing, and they're slapping stuff
Speaker 1: together and sometimes you end up with these ugly, horrible results.
Speaker 1: You've got greedy corporations that are just trying to make
Speaker 1: a profit above anything else. And in the end, families
Speaker 1: are left abused and traumatized and they just wanted to
Speaker 1: spend time together. And that's this movie, and that is
Speaker 1: what's going on with this franchise at this point.
Speaker 2: How Well said that was really well said. That was
Speaker 2: a parade of truth. I appreciate that, Steve. And coming
Speaker 2: to us from the reptile room in a veterinarian clinic
Speaker 2: this week is really extraordinary. Mandy. The first thing that
Speaker 2: I heard from tom about your adventures to go see
Speaker 2: this movie together was, Mandy's really mad at me because
Speaker 2: we're doing this movie and she's grudge watching it. Is
Speaker 2: that accurate?
Speaker 4: I'm going to say the thing that always gets a reaction.
Speaker 4: You ready, I've never seen Jurassic Park insane. I've never
Speaker 4: seen any of these movies start right, So I thought,
Speaker 4: But I love you guys, and I love the film board,
Speaker 4: and I'm becoming a nerd, so I wanted to jump
Speaker 4: in and try this. But I did have a positive
Speaker 4: that Tommy's not being honest about how much he enjoyed
Speaker 4: one feature of this movie a lot, and throughout the movie.
Speaker 4: I snuck in hallapeno cheddar powder for our popcorn.
Speaker 5: Right, cont so good.
Speaker 4: And that was fantastic. No, Jesus refuses to like anything
Speaker 4: about this movie.
Speaker 3: This is not a liking. This is the concept that
Speaker 3: contraband exists. I've worked at multiple theaters in my life.
Speaker 3: It's really not a thing anyway. Go on, Okay, well, getting.
Speaker 2: Some real no butt energy from JJ's corner to call
Speaker 2: this this.
Speaker 4: So I enjoyed my popcorn.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's something, all right, I have to say, I
Speaker 2: echo Steve. I feel like this movie. I could not
Speaker 2: help but wonder if they knew they were lampooning themselves
Speaker 2: as they you know, seen after scene was was addressing
Speaker 2: the meta issue of whether we should be watching this
Speaker 2: movie or if we should just put it to bed.
Speaker 2: I liked more about the last set of Jurassic World
Speaker 2: movies than I did about this one, and that's largely
Speaker 2: to say that for me, the dinosaurs are fun on screen,
Speaker 2: and most of them I thought looked really good and interesting,
Speaker 2: and anytime a dinosaur is eating someone, I'm into it.
Speaker 2: And the problem is that there are humans in the movie,
Speaker 2: and they have been given scripts with words that just
Speaker 2: don't work. And I think I think some of our
Speaker 2: principal cast were miscast in their worst way. This is
Speaker 2: a thing we've talked about before, which is, you know,
Speaker 2: when you have sometimes a charismatic performer can bring dead
Speaker 2: material to life by the sheer power of will and
Speaker 2: that charisma. And sometimes you have just actors that are very,
Speaker 2: very talented at their craft and they cannot do anything
Speaker 2: with mud and what they were handed. Actors that I
Speaker 2: otherwise like were given mud in this script and it
Speaker 2: just didn't play the last point before we I promise
Speaker 2: we'll move on. Is I forgot my last point? Oh no,
Speaker 2: that's probably telling.
Speaker 3: Well, maybe what you could do is talk about it
Speaker 3: sarcastically and just avoid discussing what it actually is, so
Speaker 3: that the audience is left to kind of figure out
Speaker 3: what really happened and guess at it as opposed to
Speaker 3: really finding out what the story is about. That would
Speaker 3: be very much like watching this movie.
Speaker 4: Or you could glisten.
Speaker 3: And like maybe maybe like like giggle kind of flirtatiously
Speaker 3: in an environment that makes no sense for it. That
Speaker 3: would work too.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Now to your point, Pete, I mean they at
Speaker 5: the read through, they must have noticed that Scarlett Johansson,
Speaker 5: who I really really like, can't deliver that type of joke,
Speaker 5: which is a deadpan kind of sarcastic, slightly quippish, but
Speaker 5: still underwritten. She can't do it, and then the movie
Speaker 5: has her do it nineteen times. It's a disaster.
Speaker 4: I don't even remember and attempt at a joke. Honestly,
Speaker 4: I'm not making a joke.
Speaker 5: Well, the audience didn't catch it either, but there were
Speaker 5: a bunch He kept trying to, like sarcastically make people
Speaker 5: do stuff or say things, and it just it was
Speaker 5: completely wooden and weird. And I really like her, but
Speaker 5: it's just the movie didn't adapt to that fact of, oh,
Speaker 5: we need to write jokes. It can't. Like Ryan Reynolds
Speaker 5: can present that type of a joke and people will laugh.
Speaker 5: She cannot.
Speaker 3: So much of her interactions with Loomis. With Loomis was
Speaker 3: like that, right, whereas she like Loomis is the doctor,
Speaker 3: he's the he's the brainy one. No, he's the guy
Speaker 3: fear of.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Think about the recruitment scene where she and the evil
Speaker 3: guy are sitting closely together even though they literally just met,
Speaker 3: and she hasn't really even accepted the job. But now
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, they're a team to try to
Speaker 3: recruit the doctor to join, and they are having this
Speaker 3: interaction that's loaded with these kind of sarcastic quips that
Speaker 3: like none of them hit as jokes, and you have
Speaker 3: no chemistry between the characters because they haven't been established
Speaker 3: as a relation. They don't even really like each other.
Speaker 3: There's there's really nothing to go off of. And so
Speaker 3: even Tommy, I love what you're saying, but I actually
Speaker 3: don't even think it's any I think it's more what
Speaker 3: Pete's saying, and that it has really nothing to do
Speaker 3: with Scarlett Johansson. It has to do with an utterly
Speaker 3: confusing script that makes no sense of character interaction at all.
Speaker 4: It felt like it was written by AI. It was
Speaker 4: just the most generic, lowest common denominator, obvious, terribly unnuanced.
Speaker 5: If you look really carefully at the credits cap, the
Speaker 5: oh is this zero is? At least that took me
Speaker 5: a long time.
Speaker 1: I ask for Mandy to come in with her tagline, Mandy,
Speaker 1: you missed your cue.
Speaker 2: There's a script?
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, that was the question about this whole movie.
Speaker 2: Where is it? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Before we record I'll let you guys know how ditsy
Speaker 4: I am, but whilst recording I like to appear very knowledgeable.
Speaker 2: This is the Fountain of Youth problem, Like this is
Speaker 2: I mean, you say, this isn't a Scarlet Johanson problem,
Speaker 2: and it's not really Scarlett Johanson's problem. But Fountain of Youth,
Speaker 2: which is another Apple TV original, has John Krasinsky and
Speaker 2: Natalie Portman, and it has the same script problems. The
Speaker 2: script is terrible, and yet Krasinski, through power of will
Speaker 2: and charisma, can make stupid words come out charmingly and
Speaker 2: I enjoy watching him do it. And Natalie Portman, whom
Speaker 2: I adore as an actor and find so many of
Speaker 2: her very serious works fantastic, is completely dead wood in
Speaker 2: the movie. She also cannot deliver the kind of of
Speaker 2: sort of insipid language that is rife in that script.
Speaker 2: I'm all about a dumb movie, but casting the right
Speaker 2: performer to do it is so critical, And Scarlett Johansson
Speaker 2: was handed this wet log of a script and was
Speaker 2: asked to do something really incredible with it and be
Speaker 2: and a strong character of agency that shoots guns and
Speaker 2: hangs off of boats, and it just never conjured the
Speaker 2: black widowness that we all know she can deliver. It
Speaker 2: never once achieved that level of energy.
Speaker 1: I'd like to add one thing about the script and
Speaker 1: the problem with this franchise, and I think this might
Speaker 1: be it. Because we went through the first trilogy, went
Speaker 1: through the second trilogy. They're doing this and I don't
Speaker 1: think anybody has really honed in on what makes a
Speaker 1: Jurassic Park movie a Jurassic Park movie. They dialed that
Speaker 1: in with Fast and Furious. Mind I figured that out,
Speaker 1: and so now they can crank those out and they
Speaker 1: can be silly, it can be ridiculous. I don't think
Speaker 1: they've written any writer who's really cracked the code of
Speaker 1: what makes the Jurassic Park movie the success that it is.
Speaker 1: They've got the first one, other attempts and they've tried
Speaker 1: various things, and I think that's the problem with this.
Speaker 1: What is it supposed to be? Is it just people
Speaker 1: with dinosaurs? Is it supposed to be you know, the
Speaker 1: theme park?
Speaker 2: What is it?
Speaker 1: And I don't think it has a strong sense of
Speaker 1: what ties it into that franchise, and so we get
Speaker 1: something that feels like reheated other movies other things, because
Speaker 1: there's no sense of identity of this is what a
Speaker 1: Jurassic Park movie is supposed to be.
Speaker 2: I think that's a really good question, Steve, and I
Speaker 2: would love it if we could just lobby bandy this
Speaker 2: about a little bit. What is a Jurassic Park movie?
Speaker 5: Tom?
Speaker 2: It's literally raising your hand, is what I do.
Speaker 5: It's from the first book. It's running around in the dark.
Speaker 5: It's being out matched, running around in the dark without
Speaker 5: any equipment, without all these guns. You don't need this movie.
Speaker 5: This franchise got obsessed with this idea that everyone instantly
Speaker 5: becomes super bored with dinosaurs, which is so dumb. No
Speaker 5: one's gonna get bored, And so they started.
Speaker 3: Reinvent telling on themselves, telling themselves.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, and like the fact that we're still
Speaker 5: this movie, as terrible as it is, is making a
Speaker 5: zillion dollars, is doing it very very well. And so
Speaker 5: people aren't bored with dinosaurs, but the movies insisting we are,
Speaker 5: And so they have to keep creating new hybrids, new things.
Speaker 5: You put the original unknowable creatures because we don't really
Speaker 5: know what they are, and put them break a fence
Speaker 5: and put people out in the dark, and not in
Speaker 5: these crazy locales. We don't need tanks, we don't need guns,
Speaker 5: we certainly don't need everything shot at noon. But like
Speaker 5: people are afraid of the dark, and people are afraid
Speaker 5: of nature in the dark and being hunted. Just go
Speaker 5: back to that. That's what I was really hoping for
Speaker 5: with this.
Speaker 4: I liked the movie the second time I watched it
Speaker 4: when it was called Jaws. That's what I thought this
Speaker 4: movie was trying to be.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it needs to be scarier, right, I mean, honestly so,
Speaker 3: I think I was. I think one of my first
Speaker 3: theater jobs was when the original Jurassic Park came through,
Speaker 3: and I think that was back in the time when
Speaker 3: I wasn't comfortable watching a scary movie, and that I
Speaker 3: like the concept of it hearkening to Jaws or this
Speaker 3: running in the dark concept, because really the fear or
Speaker 3: the you think about the jump scares or the intense
Speaker 3: dread scenes in the original Jurassic Park and even in
Speaker 3: some of the good movies there are good movies in
Speaker 3: this franchise that came later. They stayed true to that
Speaker 3: in allowing us to tap into our fear in something
Speaker 3: that we are interestingly interested in, which I think is
Speaker 3: a great way to do it. I think when we
Speaker 3: saw the first Jurassic World movie here, that Chris Pratt piece,
Speaker 3: you know, I thought that was a pretty decent movie,
Speaker 3: that it was fun, it was a nice ride. This
Speaker 3: is completely sanitized, confusing, nonsense, and there's so many reasons
Speaker 3: for it. You could even argue that the grandioseness of
Speaker 3: the theme in the original is something that's really special
Speaker 3: about this that doesn't even really play here either. They're
Speaker 3: getting rid of all of that. That piece of we're
Speaker 3: getting tired of our own stuff is what I feel
Speaker 3: from this movie. And that's why I'm saying they're telling
Speaker 3: on themselves. They don't even really care about this anymore,
Speaker 3: and they're just letting it die, which is terribly sad.
Speaker 2: Well, look at what you and Tom together just described
Speaker 2: in picking out the first Jurassic Park and the first
Speaker 2: Jurassic World. The thing that's fantastic about those movies, and
Speaker 2: I say fantastic with a degree of cinematic relativism. The
Speaker 2: thing that is fantastic is that these are human systems
Speaker 2: that have been created that run amuck, and I can
Speaker 2: see myself being in either one of them. I can
Speaker 2: see myself being a visitor in one of these parks
Speaker 2: and having the horror show of the fence breaking down
Speaker 2: and being terrified of that. That's what makes those movies
Speaker 2: special and provocative. And as soon as they give the
Speaker 2: the people a mission you've got to go in and
Speaker 2: predator this island, it becomes nonsense because I can no
Speaker 2: longer see myself doing it. I'm never going to take
Speaker 2: the neurotoxin in let's hang a flag on neurotoxin and
Speaker 2: never effing use it at all. I have thoughts about
Speaker 2: those kinds of things.
Speaker 3: This movie.
Speaker 2: I'm never going to be on that damn boat. I'm
Speaker 2: never going to be there. This lost the soul of
Speaker 2: running around in the dark. Hat tip, Tom. That was
Speaker 2: just a perfect way.
Speaker 4: To do it, unless you have a criminally reckless father
Speaker 4: who takes you and your little sister and your stoner
Speaker 4: boyfriend through the no supply.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean, they're the ones that were supposed to relate to, right,
Speaker 4: They're the ones we're supposed to feel like.
Speaker 5: They're the audience. Yeah, yeah, because I know if my
Speaker 5: child was going to go across a river to a boat,
Speaker 5: I spent the whole time going come, come, come, Come, Come, Come, Come,
Speaker 5: it's god, my knee doesn't work. My knee is fine.
Speaker 5: My knee doesn't work, is fine.
Speaker 4: Now I'm going to run right And the repetitive moments,
Speaker 4: I mean, I hope we get into that a little bit,
Speaker 4: but anyway, I think that's a failure in itself. Our
Speaker 4: connecting characters are idiots. I mean, I'm sorry, and also
Speaker 4: not funny.
Speaker 3: Now he's again what we're idiots? That's the point, right.
Speaker 5: The boy The boyfriend was supposed to be funny, yes, no,
Speaker 5: but he's not. He was underwritten everything this This was
Speaker 5: a very first draft script that they forgot to punch
Speaker 5: up or they just assumed people will be able to
Speaker 5: deliver these lines, and like Pete said, it takes a
Speaker 5: certain type of actor to deliver these type of under
Speaker 5: under underwritten lines and the move I mean it was
Speaker 5: I was embarrassed for the movie. Many and I saw it,
Speaker 5: and it was the theater was full and silent.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I laughed at it repeatedly of like, what do
Speaker 3: you think I'm gonna say about this movie?
Speaker 4: Like, oh, I was jealous of a little kid who
Speaker 4: was too scared and his mom had to take him
Speaker 4: out in the lobby and wait for the rest of
Speaker 4: the family, and when I peed for the fourth time,
Speaker 4: I was like, you nailed call.
Speaker 5: Call.
Speaker 4: You're out in a lobby, running around the hall. Whatever
Speaker 4: you're doing, it's better than what I'm doing.
Speaker 2: I want to transition to Garrett Edwards because you know,
Speaker 2: we've talked about Edwards on this show before. We've talked
Speaker 2: about Godzilla. One of the great single shots of Godzilla,
Speaker 2: where much of the movie I feel like it's is
Speaker 2: sort of lost in sense memory. I remember it. I
Speaker 2: remember feeling that it was kind of a it was
Speaker 2: a middling to fair movie, that it was good, with
Speaker 2: some incredibly beautiful sequences and shots, one of them being
Speaker 2: the sky diving the Halo divers who jumped out of
Speaker 2: the plane and dove through the red smoke. It seems
Speaker 2: it's possible that Gareth Edwards has a thing for red
Speaker 2: and red smoke. There are some I think beautiful sequences
Speaker 2: of emerging dinosaurs and the disastrous Rex. I guess is
Speaker 2: that what it's called the d Rex. There is a
Speaker 2: moment you can kind of feel that Edwards is trying
Speaker 2: to conjure Spielberg's tendency to hide the big bad and
Speaker 2: just show us little bits of it and its weird head.
Speaker 2: And I imagine if I liked the movie more, I
Speaker 2: would have been more impacted by those choices, because I
Speaker 2: do think they were legitimately beautiful smoke reveals. I think
Speaker 2: they looked great, and they could have been really scary thoughts.
Speaker 3: The point that I have difficulty with that, Like I
Speaker 3: want to give you that point. I want to be
Speaker 3: able to be objective and to see the points in
Speaker 3: filmmaking that are coming there. But the d Bag or
Speaker 3: the d Rex, Like, the thing that's problem with it
Speaker 3: is it's no longer a dinosaur, right. I mean, if
Speaker 3: we said it's running in the dark, that's one thing,
Speaker 3: but also it's dinosaurs. We no longer have dinosaurs anymore.
Speaker 3: And we started down this path eight movies ago, four
Speaker 3: movies ago. But the point is, like, now we have
Speaker 3: this thing that we've just created that's just a big monster,
Speaker 3: and it's no longer the innovation or the specialness of
Speaker 3: the dinosaur aspect of it is completely lost because they
Speaker 3: are trying to create a mutant that's scary, and there's
Speaker 3: that's a whole different movie. That's not what this that's
Speaker 3: not what we're going to see here. Show me the dinosaurs.
Speaker 2: But toja, you forget that after the first movie there
Speaker 2: are only five dinosaurs in the universe, so we have
Speaker 2: to genetically create them or else there are no more dinosaurs.
Speaker 2: That's one of the things that bugged me more than
Speaker 2: anything about this movie that they keep forgetting how many
Speaker 2: dinosaurs there are that are legitimately scary, Like, like, they
Speaker 2: haven't played very much with dinosaur insects. Those things are
Speaker 2: creepy and.
Speaker 5: No, instead we got locusts for that whole one movie.
Speaker 2: Right, that's right.
Speaker 5: Do you remember that those were those were metallic ants?
Speaker 1: Yes, right, Well, and we took this the frightening t
Speaker 1: rex from the first one and we turned it into
Speaker 1: this punchline where the raft inflates and then when it
Speaker 1: falls down, the t rex is moved away very quickly.
Speaker 1: I was like, so this was the stealthiest t rex ever.
Speaker 1: Where when it's introduced in the first one, one step
Speaker 1: shakes the ground, ripples the water. This one just like
Speaker 1: rolls over and sneaks off. Despite the fact that the
Speaker 1: rest of the family can see what that t rex did.
Speaker 1: But for the audience, where did it go? I'm like,
Speaker 1: she heard it? She should have heard it. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I like the visual gag wrong time for wrong dinosaur,
Speaker 1: or that you took the t rex and made it
Speaker 1: something that it's not.
Speaker 2: And now sometimes sometimes a t rex tiptoes like Scooby Doo.
Speaker 5: Right, Oh my god, this movie is filled with tiptoeing
Speaker 5: dinosaurs because the movie has the movie. Unfortunately Gareth Edwards
Speaker 5: really he found one trick and did it six times.
Speaker 5: I believe I counted, which is we're able to see
Speaker 5: the dinosaur. The character can't. It's sneaking up behind it,
Speaker 5: and something the size of a skyscraper is like adop,
Speaker 5: noop nooop. Yeah, like just sort of like like steps
Speaker 5: on a branch and is like like, I mean everyone
Speaker 5: is so deaf or something. And I mean that's a
Speaker 5: really weird effect to choose six times in a movie
Speaker 5: filled with six dinosaurs sneaking up behind you every time?
Speaker 5: What is that? Why would a director make that?
Speaker 4: He chose to have Bella run into her father's arms
Speaker 4: with him going oh, Bella, Bella sixteen times. It was
Speaker 4: like the same beat over and over over. The whole
Speaker 4: movie was just close call relief, close call relief. It
Speaker 4: was relentless and then that secret's my favorite part.
Speaker 5: Meaning, let's say, one of the many scenes that drove
Speaker 5: me insane was the raft and then t Rex is
Speaker 5: chasing them. They hide behind two stones and he tries
Speaker 5: to put his face through it and he can't, and
Speaker 5: he's like, and he leaves walk over the stonescraper.
Speaker 4: It was like a kid getting their head caught in
Speaker 4: the banister.
Speaker 5: It was ridiculous. He turned into like, better luck next time.
Speaker 3: A saurus.
Speaker 5: He was like, he just the dinosaurs were stupid, even
Speaker 5: for dinosaurs. That being said, I'm gonna name check the
Speaker 5: one of the things that I loved about this movie,
Speaker 5: Sleepy t Rex. Oh, the rest of the t Rex
Speaker 5: was kind of dumb, although he was my favorite dinosaur
Speaker 5: by far of the entire movie. But when he's just like, yeah,
Speaker 5: I had a big and like it rolls over, I
Speaker 5: just like started clapping. I was so excited. I me
Speaker 5: the baby stegosaur feeling.
Speaker 2: Well, that's what's interesting about that. I'm on Sleepy t
Speaker 2: Rex team too. I found that super charming and funny
Speaker 2: and what a like weird, wonderful idea to put it
Speaker 2: sleeping like slumbering on this island. Yeah, like sm and
Speaker 2: Jerry idea though, guys, I mean little bit maybe it's
Speaker 2: but I mean like we're this is yeah, okay, keep going.
Speaker 2: But it's something we've never seen before, right, That's that's
Speaker 2: compelling in its own rights. I'm surprised Tom that the
Speaker 2: hybrid little like, I don't know, weird. Was it a
Speaker 2: baby's trites Seratops. It was literally a baby trit Serratops Dolorus. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Dolores didn't appeal to you more, and I'm I'm opening
Speaker 2: the conversation with Dolores because I want to talk about kids.
Speaker 2: But you first access to grind on Dolores.
Speaker 5: Access to grind about most of the dinosaurs is there's
Speaker 5: so little practicality that everything. I just didn't think it
Speaker 5: looked good. I thought that would be the part that
Speaker 5: we could do. So for a movie that was very
Speaker 5: excited about. We went to Peru. We filmed in Peru.
Speaker 5: A lot of this movie was filmed in a room
Speaker 5: because there was so much green screen, and a lot
Speaker 5: of the dinosaurs just looked bad. I didn't believe that
Speaker 5: they're crushing those plants. It doesn't look like it's slicing
Speaker 5: through the water. And Dolores looked really fake and dumb.
Speaker 5: And was so panderingly Disney like, it didn't do anything.
Speaker 5: It was just sort of like squeak, squeak, squeak. And
Speaker 5: then at least at the very end of the movie,
Speaker 5: it's in a backpack heading towards a climate which we
Speaker 5: know kills all the dinosaurs, like Dolores is not going
Speaker 5: to make it. That's the one thing that started with
Speaker 5: is dinosaurs can't leave this forest, and she's like, hop in,
Speaker 5: I'm going to feed you more twizzlers.
Speaker 2: Yea is a little girl who's going to be very sad.
Speaker 3: Yes, I think what you missed in the run up
Speaker 3: to this film is that this is a collab with
Speaker 3: the Land Before Time. So funny the river I agree
Speaker 3: with you, though. I mean the river sequence in particular
Speaker 3: looked really bad. I mean I never, at once, at
Speaker 3: any time thought that the t rex was actually physically
Speaker 3: close to the raft, So it was all the you know,
Speaker 3: suspension of disbelief for me to even get there with
Speaker 3: any of the harrowing and any of the activities. So yeah,
Speaker 3: I had a lot of problems with how it looked
Speaker 3: and that again we're let's go back to Pete's original question,
Speaker 3: what is the first movie about right. We said running
Speaker 3: in the dark, we said dinosaurs. The other thing that
Speaker 3: was so special, but the initial Jurassic Park and Mandy,
Speaker 3: you should see it because when they made it, it
Speaker 3: spectacularly looked good. It still does and it holds up
Speaker 3: to so much of it was practical exactly like that.
Speaker 3: This movie, this franchise is meant to be about that too.
Speaker 2: I think, well, here's the here's the other piece that
Speaker 2: I think is really critical that we don't have in
Speaker 2: this movie, and I think we're missing it. The audience
Speaker 2: surrogate in the first movie and again in Jurassic World
Speaker 2: is a younger sibling who is brilliant about dinosaurs. They're
Speaker 2: the ones leading us through this universe and telling us
Speaker 2: what to be afraid of because they have my first
Speaker 2: dinosaur book and they've memorized it. And now we get
Speaker 2: to be scared when the child is scared. This movie
Speaker 2: misunderstands what is so important about that role and places
Speaker 2: a child only to serve as a victim, only as
Speaker 2: someone for us to respond to, because we don't like
Speaker 2: children in peril without telling us why we should be scared.
Speaker 2: None of the neither of the kids in this movie.
Speaker 2: I think do are written in such a way that
Speaker 2: give us what was so special about the intelligence of
Speaker 2: the younger siblings in the two good Jurassic Park movies.
Speaker 2: And I'm saying some of the other Jurassic Park movies
Speaker 2: I also liked, but those two had that that thing
Speaker 2: in common, and I thought that was really special. I
Speaker 2: did not get any of that.
Speaker 4: Here, speak for yourself. I love children in peril.
Speaker 2: I know, I know I'm not just saying smart children
Speaker 2: in dumb children in parables?
Speaker 5: Right, No, there was no one to really root for,
Speaker 5: stick up for, and the family doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 5: You said, uh, you know something about how these children
Speaker 5: were weren't written in a way. You can stop at
Speaker 5: the word written about all of these characters. Unfortunately, I
Speaker 5: know that's an easy pot shot, but like, there's no characters.
Speaker 5: No one's real, and the only thing that makes them
Speaker 5: real is stuff that happened off screen involving marriages and
Speaker 5: children which we've never seen. To wit, Mandy leaned over
Speaker 5: to me at one point after we're learning the fourth
Speaker 5: backstory of someone we've never met and we'll never meet. Yeah, everyone,
Speaker 5: She was like, are any of these people promoted? I
Speaker 5: was like, none of them like, this is all new
Speaker 5: stuff that we're getting on this interminable boat ride where
Speaker 5: they're just forcing character development and it's not development, it's
Speaker 5: just background sketches.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then when they start killing people off, I
Speaker 4: didn't know who those people were. Didn't care nop right.
Speaker 5: You mean the woman on the boat and the man
Speaker 5: and the French guy who the French guy who following
Speaker 5: along this weird new thing where a random character gets
Speaker 5: the worst death. It's never the bad person. There was
Speaker 5: the one from Jurassic whatever where that like the assistant
Speaker 5: gets eaten by like nineteen things at once, and then
Speaker 5: the French guy gets swallowed alive at least the bad
Speaker 5: guy gets his head dropped off. I don't It doesn't
Speaker 5: make a lot of.
Speaker 4: Sense horror movies where there's an ensemble. It's exciting when
Speaker 4: you're getting to know all the gang right, and you're like, oh,
Speaker 4: he's the wise ass and oh she's got a past.
Speaker 4: And then they randomly kill one. You don't know which
Speaker 4: one it's going to be, but you're equally getting to
Speaker 4: know them all. You know it's not going to be
Speaker 4: Nev Campbell got it fine, but we don't know who
Speaker 4: it's going to be and in this one, I mean,
Speaker 4: we didn't know these characters, we didn't care about them.
Speaker 4: There was and then, of course, as JJ keeps pointing out,
Speaker 4: the characters didn't seem to care. They were like, no, okay,
Speaker 4: maybe scream a bunch and then moving on, which I
Speaker 4: know has to happen in these movies. I get it.
Speaker 4: But but had we known them, had we seen them
Speaker 4: be kind to this family they take on board or
Speaker 4: have a just a couple of moments. I'm not saying
Speaker 4: scenes where we learned their backstories, just give them a
Speaker 4: personality so that we're like, oh, I was rooting for him,
Speaker 4: I liked him, But no, they didn't. They couldn't do
Speaker 4: that for us.
Speaker 2: Well, it's really funny you bring that up. If we
Speaker 2: had seen, if we had a scene where they were
Speaker 2: nice to that family, that is a really important point.
Speaker 2: And I want to go back to Gareth Edwards because
Speaker 2: we just last night watched Rogue one, another Gareth Edwards film,
Speaker 2: a good one on the beach, Stormtroopers on the ad.
Speaker 2: But you want to you know something, You go back
Speaker 2: and you watch that movie and the pacing of that
Speaker 2: movie feels very much like this. It's so so fast
Speaker 2: that you never really get a sense for characters and
Speaker 2: how they genuinely feel about one another. It is emotion
Speaker 2: that is forced fed down your throat underneath title cards
Speaker 2: of new planets, they move around so so fast. Now
Speaker 2: coming up, now, we just finished rewatching both seasons of
Speaker 2: and Or, which was so patiently deliberate in its exposition
Speaker 2: of character, and so running into Rogue one felt like
Speaker 2: a fairly jarring experience. And yet here, having just watched
Speaker 2: that the other night, now watching this, I'm realizing maybe
Speaker 2: this is one of the directorial sort of fingerprints that
Speaker 2: Gareth Edwards is bringing to the role. Makes me you
Speaker 2: want to go back and watch Godzilla again. Just how
Speaker 2: sort of manufactured is the pacing of those movies.
Speaker 5: The big difference between Rogue One, Godzilla and this is
Speaker 5: you were bringing so we are bringing so much of
Speaker 5: ourselves to Star Wars, to Godzilla, because whether even if
Speaker 5: there's not characters, there's adapts, there's things, there's stormtroopers all that.
Speaker 5: Right here, you're not even to JJ's point, we're not
Speaker 5: even seeing the same dinosaurs. We get two dinosaurs we've
Speaker 5: seen before, and the restaur all make them MPs three
Speaker 5: and I.
Speaker 2: Believe the velociraptor got such short shrift like they. I
Speaker 2: cannot believe that.
Speaker 3: That's the revelation from it. Like they, Jurassic Park created
Speaker 3: the conversation about velociraptors in the world. I'm not saying
Speaker 3: they created velociraptors, although that's a whole different philosophical point
Speaker 3: that I'd like to talk about dinosaurs and all that stuff.
Speaker 3: But the point is, nobody talked about velociraptors until we
Speaker 3: saw Jurassic Park, and now they're not even mentioned in this.
Speaker 3: In Chris Pratt's universe, Jurassic World, they are the focus, right.
Speaker 3: It's like we've we've they've they've literally the velociraptor has
Speaker 3: a character arc that leads you to Jurassic World, and
Speaker 3: now they've ignored them completely. Evidently someone tired of that
Speaker 3: narrative within the Jurassic Park Jurassic franchise, and that's really saddening.
Speaker 5: They seem to think with this franchise that the way
Speaker 5: to go is Alien three, Alien four, keep going, instead
Speaker 5: of when the answer was right there alien romulus small
Speaker 5: running around in the dark, the original things. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Start to Pete's point, then if we had a kid
Speaker 1: that could tell us, because we've got these new monsters
Speaker 1: that could say, oh, that looks like this, and this,
Speaker 1: they could give us something. Because in the first Jurassic
Speaker 1: Park we get, you know, Samuel doing that great piece
Speaker 1: about velociraptor and how smart they are and all that
Speaker 1: we knew that they were a threat. We have no
Speaker 1: idea of what type of threat any of these are.
Speaker 1: So whether we're in the tunnels, which I thought, here's
Speaker 1: our opportunity for being scared in the dark we're getting caught,
Speaker 1: or in the convenience store, which okay, so it's sort
Speaker 1: of a reheat of the kitchen scene from the first one.
Speaker 1: But okay, but I don't know what these dinosaurs are
Speaker 1: capable of, what their strengths are, what their weaknesses, that
Speaker 1: their strategies might be. If I had had a kid
Speaker 1: that could say, oh, this looks like this, and they
Speaker 1: were known for this. Okay, now I've got some some
Speaker 1: steaks in this of like they need to be sure
Speaker 1: not to not to make a noise, don't move, don't
Speaker 1: do this. You know, we have nothing to go on.
Speaker 4: Wasn't that supposed to be the purpose of Loomis he
Speaker 4: was he was explaining what these dinosaurs were. I mean,
Speaker 4: I doubt him so milk toast that I tuned out.
Speaker 4: I wasn't I didn't care. But yeah, this is the
Speaker 4: interesting thing. This is the thing though, This is the
Speaker 4: thing about these characters. It seems like like they put
Speaker 4: these characters who are otherwise wise about dinosaurs in a
Speaker 4: place where there aren't dinosaurs anymore. Going back to JJ's point,
Speaker 4: like they're all hybrids. How could our experts in dinosaurs
Speaker 4: really know anything about the crazy genetic hybrids that are
Speaker 4: wandering around here.
Speaker 2: No one could know. This just goes back to the
Speaker 2: sort of the frailty of the story itself. And yet
Speaker 2: here we are this movie that is purported to start
Speaker 2: a new trilogy, right unless it's a healthcare story, you know.
Speaker 2: I don't know how we're going to go back to
Speaker 2: the theater for this, but it's supposed to start a
Speaker 2: new trilogy. And it was also supposed to, as we've
Speaker 2: already hinted, to take us back to the original tone
Speaker 2: of the original movie, and that nostalgia factor. It weighs
Speaker 2: heavily on me in this movie. I think because I
Speaker 2: knew going in that John Matheson was trying to channel.
Speaker 2: Spielberg shot it in thirty five millimeter panavision anamorphics, trying
Speaker 2: to do lens flair and all that stuff, and it
Speaker 2: felt not like that like the Tonally, I felt like
Speaker 2: the movie the camera had no texture and no personality.
Speaker 2: Am I alone very flat, very flat when it's not
Speaker 2: very fake.
Speaker 3: Those you're an interesting shot, I mean really like I'm
Speaker 3: not saying I mean maybe the motion control on the boat,
Speaker 3: I mean yeah, but again it's all there's just so
Speaker 3: much bake. There's nothing, there's nothing daring about what they
Speaker 3: did with the camera, and that was painfully apparent.
Speaker 5: So there's me.
Speaker 1: Mandy meant mentioned Jaws before, and I thought, yes, that
Speaker 1: that whole sequence reminded me so much of Jaws, when
Speaker 1: she gets out on a frontend's got a shoot that
Speaker 1: and they bobble the shot and all that. There were
Speaker 1: so many times where I thought, you're missing this because
Speaker 1: I just got hungry for watching Jaws again, because I
Speaker 1: thought the way that was shot in Jaws, the way
Speaker 1: the tension was created, the way the emotion carried through
Speaker 1: that you're on the edge of your seat, and I
Speaker 1: felt nothing of that in that shot. I thought, what
Speaker 1: are they doing wrong. You've got a blueprint for how
Speaker 1: to sho shoot something like this, follow that it's gonna
Speaker 1: be different. You've got a different actor there, it's a
Speaker 1: different situation. But use that template of how where your
Speaker 1: close ups are, how you're cutting that scene together. Because
Speaker 1: it just felt I felt like this should have been something,
Speaker 1: and at that point in the movie I realized they
Speaker 1: just didn't have any idea how to create that dynamic
Speaker 1: in this film.
Speaker 5: I have a suggestion about what went so wrong? Is
Speaker 5: he Peter Jackson did. We were flying above the boat
Speaker 5: on the same speed as them, making us safe. Jaws
Speaker 5: is shot from the boat, so we're rocking, We're feeling
Speaker 5: the unclearness, the trouble, all of this stuff, and we're
Speaker 5: also suffering from character whiplash. Of Scarlett Johansson. One of
Speaker 5: her many hilarious asides when she's like, Oh, you're gonna
Speaker 5: take the shot, doctor, Well, the boat's gonna be going
Speaker 5: like this, there's gonna be stuff in your eyes and
Speaker 5: it's gonna be really hard, Okay, and he goes you
Speaker 5: take it. She takes it and immediately does a terrible job.
Speaker 5: She doesn't. She makes a big job of like I
Speaker 5: should be the one to take the shot and is
Speaker 5: like falling off the boat immediately.
Speaker 4: But she listened.
Speaker 5: Listening this movie is it's noon twenty four hours a
Speaker 5: day in this movie.
Speaker 3: This movie is a case against sarcasm. I mean, it's like,
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that sarcasm doesn't have its place, but
Speaker 3: if anyone wants to defend sarcasm, I will put this
Speaker 3: film up and say this is when it doesn't hit.
Speaker 3: Throughout they are constantly equipping back and forth with each
Speaker 3: other about stuff like this in ways that are not
Speaker 3: actual the actual things that they're talking about. Right, It's
Speaker 3: it's it's told with an edge, it's told with some anger.
Speaker 3: It's told with some meanness but meant to be playful,
Speaker 3: and it's terrible.
Speaker 5: It's pre Thunderbolt's Marvel humor. It's anti jokes. It's just
Speaker 5: sort of like a what you thought that would work?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 5: Did you rehearse that speech?
Speaker 2: Or uh?
Speaker 5: None of those things are good. Those aren't jokes. Those
Speaker 5: are just sort of statements. It's just me you put
Speaker 5: in that you put in while you're waiting to figure
Speaker 5: out the joke, and then and then damn it, someone
Speaker 5: called action.
Speaker 2: The other piece that I just have to call out,
Speaker 2: is the score we are the original movie, John Williams
Speaker 2: extraordinary themes. Alexander Disblot scored the film, and I wonder,
Speaker 2: I just really struggled with how often it felt so
Speaker 2: much like they were relying on the nostalgia of those
Speaker 2: original themes to make us feel like we felt in
Speaker 2: the original movie, and it just felt like a replay.
Speaker 2: Am I alone.
Speaker 3: It was gross. It was gross.
Speaker 5: I mean, he doesn't do the.
Speaker 3: Scenes where they add sweeping strings for absolutely no purpose
Speaker 3: are all over and it reminds me so much of
Speaker 3: the most recent Indiana Jones. I don't remember, I didn't
Speaker 3: see it. What's the what's the title of the most
Speaker 3: recent Indiana Jones? They came Deal of the Century, Deal
Speaker 3: and No Deal. So the interesting thing is, if you
Speaker 3: watch the trailer to the most recent to Deal, Dial
Speaker 3: of Destiny, you'll notice that they go into that original
Speaker 3: John Williams wonderfulness. And then what it is is it's
Speaker 3: like a DSL coda over and over of just repeating
Speaker 3: the theme, repeating the theme one more time, repeating the
Speaker 3: theme a little bit bigger, a little bit slower, a
Speaker 3: little bit different, repeating the theme repeating the like, That's
Speaker 3: what I felt about the score in this film is
Speaker 3: that it wasn't really connected to the original thing, but
Speaker 3: it was just trying to channel it and never ever ending,
Speaker 3: never bringing us to any emotional period into what was
Speaker 3: in the film. It was completely misplaced in this film.
Speaker 3: And if you, I mean could be laugh it's laughable
Speaker 3: how bad the score matched with the film in this one.
Speaker 4: But that's a huge name film composition, right exactly.
Speaker 2: It's you know, no, I mean it comes down to
Speaker 2: I think choices made by Edwards and and those choices
Speaker 2: to put all these pieces together are I really struggle.
Speaker 4: With how do you spell Edwards? I'm going to send
Speaker 4: him an email right.
Speaker 2: Now, yeah, please worded If nothing else at Edwards, it's
Speaker 2: just so stylistic. It emphasizes so much of this attempt
Speaker 2: at big visuals over any sort of character mastery, which
Speaker 2: is exactly opposite of what the first movie did, and
Speaker 2: that is a real, real shame. Three principal monsters, the mosasaur,
Speaker 2: the the big taposaurus, what was a gigantic Titanosaurus Titanosaurus
Speaker 2: which was just I don't I mean, I'm glad I
Speaker 2: wasn't sitting with any sort of paleontologist because I have
Speaker 2: a feeling that that dinosaur doesn't exist the way it
Speaker 2: was put on film. There is no way its skeletal
Speaker 2: structure could hold the size of that on film. That
Speaker 2: was ridiculous. That thing was a stupid aircraft carrier. Two
Speaker 2: of them in love. This was a love scene and.
Speaker 3: The sale drew the heart in. So this goes to
Speaker 3: that philosophical point that I was alluding to earlier. Because
Speaker 3: dinosaurs are very interesting. We're very creative about them. You know.
Speaker 3: We've found out now as science has developed, that there
Speaker 3: isn't a thing called a brontosaurus that actually we pieced
Speaker 3: it together incorrectly. It's just different pieces from the brachiosaur
Speaker 3: out there in the world. Yes, Tommy, if I'm bringing
Speaker 3: this to your attention.
Speaker 2: The first time.
Speaker 3: The point of this, right is that if we keep
Speaker 3: making up monsters or dinosaurs that aren't real on screen
Speaker 3: in the Jurassic franchise, how is anyone going to ever
Speaker 3: believe in dinosaurs?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 3: I mean, we we're just making means up at this point.
Speaker 3: These are no longer dinosaurs, they're monsters, right, right, So
Speaker 3: so what are the real dinosaurs? Does anybody know were
Speaker 3: there real dinosaurs in this movie?
Speaker 5: No, this is all.
Speaker 2: We're only the only the animals on the arc, I think,
Speaker 2: is what we're talking about, right, that's all we get.
Speaker 2: There were no philociraptors on the ar I know, Barney
Speaker 2: for sure. No, I you know, I totally, I totally
Speaker 2: get that. I totally relate to it, and that, you know,
Speaker 2: because this Otherwise I'll just say, here's here's the thing.
Speaker 2: The idea of having it. If you're going to have
Speaker 2: a mission and make all these weird decisions leading us
Speaker 2: to this movie, it's pretty on rails to just say
Speaker 2: we're going to put these characters special Forces and have
Speaker 2: them go get a blood sample from these three things.
Speaker 2: It's more like a video game, but it is a structure.
Speaker 2: It is a scaffolding for the story. And having them
Speaker 2: get the mosasaur, big action set piece. Great, Having them
Speaker 2: get the titanosaur, they get the blood, that's great. The
Speaker 2: sequence on the cliff side, you guys, what the hell
Speaker 2: were the native people's caves doing in the middle of
Speaker 2: that cliff face where the flying dinosaurs laid their eggs.
Speaker 2: Why was there a hand carved, clearly carved native structure?
Speaker 2: Do I have any thoughts to why that exists where
Speaker 2: it exists. Absolutely not.
Speaker 5: I was assuming someone would explain it with their back
Speaker 5: to the camera really really really really Okay, I do
Speaker 5: need to bring Yeah, I do need to. I don't
Speaker 5: have a reason for it, pete other than there were
Speaker 5: people there before I guess obviously, but the because I
Speaker 5: have to bring it up. But I will keep it
Speaker 5: extremely short because I'm rail against it all the time.
Speaker 5: But it's my biggest pet peeve. This movie is a
Speaker 5: uh eight R nightmare, nightmare nightmare, and that is just
Speaker 5: a sign of you haven't gotten it together. And test
Speaker 5: audiences are confused and oh my god, it's so much
Speaker 5: like every time someone is and they would stop sentences
Speaker 5: when someone's face would.
Speaker 3: Come on get bright and then I mean, it was egregious.
Speaker 5: It was so annoying. Oh I hated it. I can't.
Speaker 5: It drives me up the wall.
Speaker 2: Do you remember this scene where the guy just wrote,
Speaker 2: just as a decide, this doesn't actually involve bighty R,
Speaker 2: but it's in my head. I'm not gonna be able
Speaker 2: to let it go. Maybe ever where French Guy has
Speaker 2: a big or was it French guy or was it
Speaker 2: bad guy? He has a big stick, and there's a
Speaker 2: helicopter that's been hanging in the thing and it's like creaking.
Speaker 2: And he has a stick and he holds it up
Speaker 2: and then touch it standing underneath it. What happens? Nothing
Speaker 2: is a guy? Why is there a helicopter there?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Why is that there? He gets the gun from the helicopter.
Speaker 3: The pilot has a has a gun in his hand.
Speaker 3: But why does the pilot what it was the pilot
Speaker 3: shooting at as he's passing?
Speaker 2: Well, probably bad dinosaurs, I get.
Speaker 3: Why is that your choice?
Speaker 5: Like if you make, if you make a pile of bullets,
Speaker 5: it's softer when you lay.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 5: Yes, Also that gun doubled because three quarters the way
Speaker 5: through the movie, all of a sudden, Scarlett Joe Hinson
Speaker 5: had a forty five? Where was that the entire movie?
Speaker 5: Remember when she jumped into the the huge human size drainage.
Speaker 1: That was the same gun she got that guy when
Speaker 1: they were under the.
Speaker 5: Look what I'm saying is that, yeah, perfectly.
Speaker 1: Exactly how many bullets were in that thing and all
Speaker 1: the bullets yes, Okay.
Speaker 5: The my favorite part of the ad R was that
Speaker 5: very last thing when they're trying to unhook when Ali
Speaker 5: is doing his big run off screen, and then he's
Speaker 5: gonna be okay with.
Speaker 2: The way these flyers.
Speaker 5: Just like at one point there was so much confusion
Speaker 5: about what is going on that Scarlett Johnson runs across
Speaker 5: the street and her face is covered up by the
Speaker 5: winch for two seconds. She goes and you can rewatch it.
Speaker 5: I probably she goes hook stock. They had her saying
Speaker 5: hook a stock because someone in the test audience was like,
Speaker 5: what are they doing? There was so much Mandy as
Speaker 5: a voiceover actor. Do you see that stuff more? Less?
Speaker 5: Are you just so like?
Speaker 4: Oh, I see it in a drys New Bananas.
Speaker 5: Drive You okay, Well, there was a lot of that there.
Speaker 4: But you brought up herschel Ali and that that's the
Speaker 4: real crime, right, taking an actor of that caliber and
Speaker 4: that charisma and reducing him to this. Oh he's so
Speaker 4: wonderful And I just couldn't believe he did this.
Speaker 2: I couldn't either. This felt very much like one for
Speaker 2: the studio and then he'll get something else, right, you know, like,
Speaker 2: please let this pay off for him. I And yet
Speaker 2: all that said, his face is a booie to me
Speaker 2: in the sea of dumbness, right, Like, I still enjoyed
Speaker 2: watching him in this movie, and honestly same with with
Speaker 2: Fierro Bailey. Jonathan Bailey. I just find him charismatic and
Speaker 2: charming and I like watching him and I was able
Speaker 2: to buy halfway through the movie to dissociate what they
Speaker 2: were saying from what they looked like saying it, and
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, yeah, I'd like I'd listen to
Speaker 2: that guy at a dinner party.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: I found him so milk toasty and so boring and
Speaker 4: waste did to take someone charismatic?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's interesting. Okay, well we I feel like
Speaker 2: we could continue. I don't know what we should.
Speaker 3: Why are they safe on the boat? I mean that's
Speaker 3: actually I got on the island in.
Speaker 2: The first and where the spina Wait a minute, the
Speaker 2: spinosauruses are the ones that were had the fins right
Speaker 2: at the beginning. Wasn't the spinosaurus the big bad in
Speaker 2: like Jurassic Park three? Wasn't it the giant thing? And
Speaker 2: now it's it swims in schools?
Speaker 3: It is meant to be big for sure.
Speaker 2: But yeah, okay, well I can't even I can't even
Speaker 2: with this movie.
Speaker 5: When I say the other part that I liked. Remember, Yeah,
Speaker 5: the last part I liked is the reveal that the
Speaker 5: helicopter was already in the big dinosaur's mouth.
Speaker 3: That was, now, visually that's cool. Why do not we
Speaker 3: why don't we hear it?
Speaker 2: We don't hear a thing?
Speaker 3: That was frustrating, Like, yes, I love it as a reveal,
Speaker 3: but I'm like, wait a second. This year event was
Speaker 3: literally the loudest thing a second show and then it
Speaker 3: was gone and we didn't. I mean, there's no.
Speaker 5: This This movie has that real effect of if anything
Speaker 5: is out of frame, it doesn't exist and you can't
Speaker 5: hear it.
Speaker 2: Yes, but which is not the first Bielberg thing.
Speaker 5: Yes, was all the time the very first movie when
Speaker 5: all the raptors are finally uh contacting them in the
Speaker 5: big when dinosaurs ruled the world, and then they're like ah,
Speaker 5: and then t Rex grabs it. Well they would have seen,
Speaker 5: they would have been like, there's t Rex. It's right there.
Speaker 5: But it worked for that because he doesn't let you breathe.
Speaker 5: This movie's filled with bread and no one to care about.
Speaker 1: And I just I was crossing my fingers at the
Speaker 1: beginning because soon as technology was thwarted by a Snickers
Speaker 1: bar rapper. I thought, oh, good lord, we are in trouble.
Speaker 5: This week is delicious. Yes, that was it.
Speaker 2: I was going to bring that up. Why does the
Speaker 2: Snickers bar getting sucked into the interstitial like door fan
Speaker 2: cause the entire compound to go down?
Speaker 4: Allergy?
Speaker 2: It was the building had a peanut allergy.
Speaker 5: Yes, engins kryptonite is neugat.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Okay, So I I sat down and
Speaker 2: I thought, sometimes I like to write write out some notes.
Speaker 2: What do I think thematically this movie was going for?
Speaker 2: And it does feel like an environmental movie. Right, we
Speaker 2: can't go to the equator anymore because there are dinosaurs there. Also,
Speaker 2: it's getting way too hot. The ecosystem is totally destabilized. Okay,
Speaker 2: we're wearing our ideology fully on our sleeve. Do we
Speaker 2: have problems with biotech's overreach? Yes, it's called the distortis Rex.
Speaker 2: That's that's the name, the tortoise rex. It's a t
Speaker 2: rex and a turtle. I don't know. And and so
Speaker 2: I think this idea of having this movie be a
Speaker 2: metaphor for climate change it may be too late, maybe
Speaker 2: too late to raise awareness. And also it's probably too dumb,
Speaker 2: you know, What we really need to do now is
Speaker 2: we need to We need to we need to rank it.
Speaker 2: Letterbox dot com, everybody, letterbox dot com, slash the next reel.
Speaker 2: That's where you can find our HQ page for the
Speaker 2: next real Family of Film podcasts, where we assign our
Speaker 2: hearts and stars. This one isn't gonna cost you too much.
Speaker 2: I don't imagine you know the rules. When you give
Speaker 2: your star and heart rating, you have to also talk
Speaker 2: about what movies you're removing other stars.
Speaker 5: Insane every time.
Speaker 2: I can't take it. I almost can't take it seriously anymore.
Speaker 2: So uh JJ came in with the most animous what
Speaker 2: do you think?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 3: I started with a one point five, but I actually
Speaker 3: dropped it down to a one based on our conversation
Speaker 3: here because I was really like, you heard my excitement.
Speaker 3: I was really hoping that y'all had something that you
Speaker 3: liked about it. I see these movies because of you,
Speaker 3: and wow, this one. You guys didn't like it either,
Speaker 3: so it's way on the bottom. So I give it
Speaker 3: one star and a not like. It made me angry,
Speaker 3: it made me laugh at it. I'm done with it.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, all right, Tom.
Speaker 5: Dinotastic, No notes. No, movies are hard, huge studio movies
Speaker 5: are really hard. But this movie suffered from laziness, just complete,
Speaker 5: complete laziness, and I can't forgive that, especially when there's
Speaker 5: so many resources going to it. So I'm going to
Speaker 5: give it four stars at a heart what weird? Maybe
Speaker 5: second stars through the word and then I disappeared. No,
Speaker 5: I'm going to give it one and a half stars
Speaker 5: and the heart unfortunate. Everyone should have done everyone should
Speaker 5: have worked harder. This feels like no one cared enough.
Speaker 2: Ouch ouch, all right, Steve.
Speaker 1: So, the thing that I really really enjoyed about this
Speaker 1: movie was that it allowed me to take my wife
Speaker 1: and daughter and son in law to a D box
Speaker 1: movie for the first time. So we got to be
Speaker 1: entertained by jiggling, vibrating seats. For us, at least there
Speaker 1: was that as a bonus. But even even at the
Speaker 1: end event, my wife was like, well, I thought the
Speaker 1: seats would have maybe done a little bit more, and
Speaker 1: I thought I thought the movie would have done a
Speaker 1: little bit more. So I I also have to look
Speaker 1: at this within the Jurassic Park, and I think there
Speaker 1: are some that are worse than this, And so I'm
Speaker 1: gonna you know, I'm gonna go with.
Speaker 2: Two stars on this one.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, I'm gonna go two stars. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't give it a heart because I just can't,
Speaker 1: but two stars.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, Mandy given absolutely no nostalgia factor.
Speaker 5: Good point.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, well, I mean I just didn't like it
Speaker 4: and I thought it failed, that everything attempted, and I'll
Speaker 4: give it one star. And the good news is it
Speaker 4: doesn't it in now way ruins the idea that I
Speaker 4: should watch Jurassic Park, you know. Good for my podcast,
Speaker 4: I will watch Jurassic Park and have people nerd out
Speaker 4: about it and get me all hyped up about it,
Speaker 4: love it because this doesn't seem to have anything to
Speaker 4: do with it.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it really doesn't.
Speaker 2: Well there are plants in it.
Speaker 5: Well, it'll be interesting when you do watch the first one.
Speaker 5: You'll be like, oh, that's what they were trying to
Speaker 5: replicate the feeling of this big da da da look
Speaker 5: dinosaurs in love, like like try to dress the waving
Speaker 5: of the torch. There's a lot of throwbacks and none
Speaker 5: of them were.
Speaker 1: I remember me.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Okay, but I will be having Hallepenno cheddar original.
Speaker 2: H I'm I think I'm probably on Camp Steve because
Speaker 2: there were moments of visual grace that I liked, uh enough,
Speaker 2: I'm I don't. I think I'm done with this movie.
Speaker 2: I don't think I'm going to go back to it.
Speaker 2: And that's so it just makes me sad, so sad
Speaker 2: as a fan of the Jurassic Park cinematic universe and
Speaker 2: literary universe, right, I like the books a lot, and
Speaker 2: so that's that's super frustrating. But man, I don't know
Speaker 2: I've given this is the This is the bigger problem
Speaker 2: I have right now is that the Chrichton I don't
Speaker 2: know who owns the the rights to this property is
Speaker 2: originally Michael Crichton characters and story, and there I believe
Speaker 2: that Crichton's widow is suing the production of The Pit
Speaker 2: because Er was a Michael Crichton universe and so they
Speaker 2: just renamed it the Pit instead of doing Er with
Speaker 2: Noah Wiley playing his original doctor. And that felt like
Speaker 2: such a stupid decision to me on behalf of the
Speaker 2: Crichton estate, not to let this crew create the Pit
Speaker 2: but actually make it an Er property and connect that
Speaker 2: to Michael Crichton. And yet this movie exists, like those
Speaker 2: two things should not exist in the same universe. It
Speaker 2: makes me so mad. So I don't know. Maybe I'm
Speaker 2: problem is I have this no half stars thing. So
Speaker 2: am I one star of my two stars? Definitely no heart.
Speaker 2: I'm going to go for two stars right now because
Speaker 2: I'm feeling gracious and well. Movies are fun to see anyway,
Speaker 2: And I also saw it in DBox. There was one
Speaker 2: good move one and it was in the first twenty
Speaker 2: minutes of the movie. It was a mosesare thing and
Speaker 2: I jumped out of my seat. I thought it was
Speaker 2: a great move. The rest of it was completely unused technology.
Speaker 3: So yes, anyway, was it when they introduced us to
Speaker 3: that family that we had no understanding of where they
Speaker 3: were in this story? And then all of a sudden
Speaker 3: we spend like ten minutes sailing with these people that
Speaker 3: have nothing to do with any story at all.
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Right, that's cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah it was good.
Speaker 4: This movie needs a drinking game, bod.
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm into it.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe it will just briefly the box office, you guys.
Speaker 2: It clawed in thirty point five million on Wednesday twenty
Speaker 2: six point three million on Friday, making it the top
Speaker 2: film in the US theaters. The three day total came
Speaker 2: into around eighty eighty five million. We'll see as we
Speaker 2: record this. We still have another day on the holiday weekend,
Speaker 2: the extended hall. I think it's a god. Is it
Speaker 2: going to be around one hundred and forty million dollars
Speaker 2: for this thing, which seems extraordinary?
Speaker 5: That's close to the opening movies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, wow, they did say rebirth. Yeah, they use
Speaker 2: that word for sure. It is underwhelming compared to Dominion
Speaker 2: Dominion Open at one hundred and forty five million, Fallen
Speaker 2: Kingdom at one forty eight, the original Jurassic World a
Speaker 2: massive two to eight. So it's lower than its benchmarks. Right,
Speaker 2: technically the slimmest haul in the era of Jurassic reboots.
Speaker 2: But here's the other piece that we we don't often
Speaker 2: do the complete math. And so just like researching what
Speaker 2: has been written thanks to mostly Hollywood reporter box office Mojo,
Speaker 2: two hundred and twenty five million dollar budget plus global marketing.
Speaker 2: If I think that puts our break even around something
Speaker 2: like six hundred and seventy five million dollars worldwide. That
Speaker 2: is a heavy number to make this even sniff profitability. Yeah, one,
Speaker 2: very very frustrating and sad. So that's it. Jurassic Park,
Speaker 2: Jassic World rebirth. Nobody even knows what to call it anymore.
Speaker 5: They've run out of garbage.
Speaker 2: Thank you all for hanging out here. JJ, thanks for
Speaker 2: being here, buddy, thank you. Yeah, love Tommy, You've got
Speaker 2: anything you want to say to the world.
Speaker 5: Watch the original Jurassic Park and Sinners is on HBO.
Speaker 5: You have masks. Watch is not this excellent?
Speaker 3: Excellent month from movies, Movies, Fantastic four. There's a lot
Speaker 3: coming out this month. Yeah, we don't always choose the
Speaker 3: best one.
Speaker 2: Uh the other show on the net. We did have
Speaker 2: one on the next reel. Definitely check that out and
Speaker 2: listen to Tommy on All the Feelings colon Adulting Now Broadcasting, Steve,
Speaker 2: what do you want to talk about?
Speaker 1: You know, we were so busy, you know, figuring out
Speaker 1: how we could do this podcast, you know episode we
Speaker 1: didn't think we are there or not.
Speaker 2: We should That's a great callback one day, Mandy. I'll
Speaker 2: understand that too, Mandy, what do you want to talk about?
Speaker 5: Podcast? Fights Away?
Speaker 4: I My podcast Make Me a Nerd is back for
Speaker 4: season two. Lots of exciting guests coming up, including well
Speaker 4: the season two launched with Justin Jaeger and Yeah, thunderb
Speaker 4: We did Thunderbolts. And I have lots of really fun
Speaker 4: different top topics and entities that I'm diving into. So
Speaker 4: make me a nerd and part of the True Story family.
Speaker 2: Outstanding, very well done, and I am Pete Wright and
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Speaker 2: we have Craft and Chaos, which is another new show
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Speaker 2: talking about issues facing people in the creative industries. And
Speaker 2: I also have a show called Headstone that has launched. Headstone,
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Speaker 2: Thank you everybody for downloading and listening to this show.
Speaker 2: We appreciate your time and attention. What is coming up
Speaker 2: next month? Tom I think that's your job.
Speaker 5: Now we're gonna go back and rewatch Y two K
Speaker 5: and Dresser Bark after Birth What I don't What did
Speaker 5: we design on? I don't remember.
Speaker 2: This is actually one of the reasons that I've just
Speaker 2: ied to just give it to you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 4: Remember, because I'm very excited.
Speaker 2: What is it? It's the Thursday Murder Club and it's
Speaker 2: a Netflix joint, so if you've got Netflix, you can
Speaker 2: just watch it when it releases. What was the what
Speaker 2: was the.
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Speaker 2: Thank you everybody. Uh and until next month meeting adjourn.
Speaker 5: Did we all do it?
Speaker 4: Chair squeaking?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 3: In the movie?
Speaker 5: They sound like
Speaker 4: That was chewy