WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:02.120 Thanks for tuning in to another show in the next 2 00:00:02.160 --> 00:00:03.680 real family of film podcasts. 3 00:00:03.680 --> 00:00:06.400 I want to skip those ads and get early access. 4 00:00:06.000 --> 00:00:08.839 Become a member at true story dot fm, slash Joint, 5 00:00:08.880 --> 00:00:11.080 and discover all the other great perks that come with it. 6 00:00:11.679 --> 00:00:13.720 The film board gathers in the Gang of Thugs is 7 00:00:13.759 --> 00:00:16.519 going Dino hunting by Sea, Jungle and Sky and Gareth 8 00:00:16.640 --> 00:00:21.359 Edwards launch of the proposed next trilogy with Jurassic World 9 00:00:21.800 --> 00:00:25.719 rebirth Doctor Henry Lumis. 10 00:00:25.800 --> 00:00:28.440 This is Zora Bennett, our mission specialists. 11 00:00:28.839 --> 00:00:29.679 Sorry, what mission? 12 00:00:31.480 --> 00:00:34.719 This would be a medical breakthrough that could save countless lives. 13 00:00:35.640 --> 00:00:38.000 It comes from the largest dinosaurs on the planet. 14 00:00:38.119 --> 00:00:38.960 Oh my god. 15 00:00:40.000 --> 00:00:44.600 Fortunately for us, all these species exist in one isolated place. 16 00:00:45.399 --> 00:00:48.359 Can you be ready tomorrow? I can guarantee your safety here, 17 00:00:48.600 --> 00:00:50.200 I mean more or less. 18 00:00:50.880 --> 00:00:56.560 More or less, he's your guy. 19 00:00:56.920 --> 00:01:00.039 We're the best that moving things and people and a 20 00:01:00.039 --> 00:01:04.120 lot of places they shouldn't be well put towards Barbados 21 00:01:04.359 --> 00:01:07.040 avoid government patrol. But aren't that many anymore? 22 00:01:07.280 --> 00:01:07.599 What's that? 23 00:01:10.760 --> 00:01:12.560 No one's dumb enough to go where we're going. 24 00:01:14.959 --> 00:01:18.959 Because island was the research facility for the original Jurassic Park. 25 00:01:20.799 --> 00:01:23.359 We need DNA from the three biggest dinosaurs. 26 00:01:24.280 --> 00:01:26.120 Do we have to get a sample from an egg? 27 00:01:28.239 --> 00:01:29.680 I suppose we could try and get it from the parent, 28 00:01:29.719 --> 00:01:31.640 but they're flying Carnival the size of an F sixteenth. 29 00:01:33.799 --> 00:01:34.920 Maybe we should make it quick. 30 00:01:36.879 --> 00:01:42.560 Just as amber trapped mosquitoes once preserved prehistoric DNA, the 31 00:01:42.719 --> 00:01:48.480 very spark that brought dinosaurs roaring into existence, Rebirth revides 32 00:01:48.480 --> 00:01:53.719 a franchise weaving strands of nostalgia new genetic twists for 33 00:01:53.799 --> 00:01:59.040 a modern audience. Tonight, we'll explore how narrative, visuals, directing, 34 00:01:59.120 --> 00:02:03.439 and performance can I'm buying to resurrect that primordial wonder 35 00:02:03.799 --> 00:02:07.400 while having a bit of fun right at the water's edge. 36 00:02:07.959 --> 00:02:11.080 Your guides this month none other than a full squad 37 00:02:11.199 --> 00:02:15.280 of dino might adventurers. I'm Pete Wright, and today we've 38 00:02:15.319 --> 00:02:19.599 got Steve Sarmento, Tommy Matt's the third, Justin, JJ Yeager 39 00:02:19.960 --> 00:02:23.080 and Mandy Kappan, all here to figure out if cloning 40 00:02:23.159 --> 00:02:26.800 dinosaur movies is still a good idea, or if it's 41 00:02:26.840 --> 00:02:37.000 finally time to nuke the islands from space. High Team. Hi, 42 00:02:37.319 --> 00:02:40.639 welcome to the show. I'm so glad you're all here. 43 00:02:40.879 --> 00:02:44.319 I have to ask to start we got opening thoughts 44 00:02:44.319 --> 00:02:49.439 are very important to one member of the team in particular, 45 00:02:49.639 --> 00:02:54.319 and as the person who champions baby dinosaurs the most, 46 00:02:54.879 --> 00:02:59.520 I would I like to open the floor to Tom Thomas, 47 00:02:59.560 --> 00:03:01.560 what did you think of Rebirth? 48 00:03:02.319 --> 00:03:04.000 Well, first of all, it's a pleasure to be here 49 00:03:04.039 --> 00:03:08.319 and a happy baby Segasaurus to all of you. As 50 00:03:08.360 --> 00:03:11.120 we know, I'm a real dino head. I have been 51 00:03:11.159 --> 00:03:14.080 a proponent for these movies ever since the first one 52 00:03:14.120 --> 00:03:16.919 came out. I've been trying to catch any of that 53 00:03:16.919 --> 00:03:22.639 fever since Chasing That Dragon, and it has never come through. 54 00:03:22.719 --> 00:03:25.879 But I thought, hey, I kind of like this directory 55 00:03:26.680 --> 00:03:30.120 they have the screenplay person from the first one. I 56 00:03:30.240 --> 00:03:32.639 heard hype that it was going to be darker and smaller, 57 00:03:32.919 --> 00:03:35.879 and instead we got this movie. 58 00:03:37.039 --> 00:03:39.599 Let me just start by saying, I liked two things 59 00:03:39.639 --> 00:03:41.360 in this movie. Oh my gosh, I can't wait to 60 00:03:41.360 --> 00:03:46.520 hear what they are. You like two things. I'm so 61 00:03:46.639 --> 00:03:50.199 happy you like two things. I liked to oh my gosh. 62 00:03:50.280 --> 00:03:52.039 And Mandy maybe knows what it is because Mandy and 63 00:03:52.080 --> 00:03:53.719 Night were next to each other. Oh no, I like 64 00:03:53.800 --> 00:03:55.680 three things, and one of them my favorite part of 65 00:03:55.719 --> 00:04:01.400 the entire movie was Mandy's reclining chair, an noise. 66 00:04:01.159 --> 00:04:05.919 Every time she did a very tiny bladder and I 67 00:04:05.960 --> 00:04:07.800 had to pee a lot, and I would come back 68 00:04:07.919 --> 00:04:09.759 every time I'd be like, oh, I have to peek 69 00:04:13.479 --> 00:04:17.199 and Tommy and that was highly entertaining and I'm sorry 70 00:04:17.240 --> 00:04:19.160 that the rest of you did not have that experience. 71 00:04:19.680 --> 00:04:23.120 Really, the theater experiments experience is everything for me. Like this, 72 00:04:23.279 --> 00:04:26.519 I think that's really important. Okay, so we've got three things. 73 00:04:26.639 --> 00:04:29.319 One of them has already been mentioned for tom We'll 74 00:04:29.360 --> 00:04:32.199 see how that plays out. JJ, you seem to be 75 00:04:33.120 --> 00:04:34.879 particularly bearish on this movie. 76 00:04:34.920 --> 00:04:38.240 Is I'm I'm beside myself and I know, I mean, 77 00:04:38.279 --> 00:04:43.000 we do this movie, this franchise multiple times for all 78 00:04:43.040 --> 00:04:45.800 the reasons that Tommy mentioned, and we do a ton 79 00:04:45.800 --> 00:04:49.079 of franchise movies in the film board because we're connected, 80 00:04:49.199 --> 00:04:51.959 we feel things, and you know, some of the some 81 00:04:52.040 --> 00:04:54.639 of what we do is based on the idea that 82 00:04:54.839 --> 00:04:57.639 people are going to be talking about a movie that's 83 00:04:57.680 --> 00:05:01.879 coming out, and this movie I don't believe anyone is 84 00:05:01.920 --> 00:05:05.399 going to be talking about. I think this is essentially 85 00:05:05.480 --> 00:05:09.600 what I felt throughout the film was we're still doing 86 00:05:09.720 --> 00:05:12.720 this and I mean this at every level right in 87 00:05:12.800 --> 00:05:20.680 the filmmaking in the film board in reality, like how 88 00:05:20.720 --> 00:05:24.240 are we still doing this over and over again? Like 89 00:05:24.360 --> 00:05:29.079 let's let's try something different, because this is I mean, 90 00:05:29.120 --> 00:05:32.519 there's there's so much that makes me angry about this film, 91 00:05:32.959 --> 00:05:38.040 and the ridiculousness in this film is legion. There is 92 00:05:38.160 --> 00:05:43.240 so much that is needn't have bothered about. So many 93 00:05:43.279 --> 00:05:47.279 turns in this film are completely valueless. So I would 94 00:05:47.360 --> 00:05:50.839 this is why you got my very loud reaction when 95 00:05:50.879 --> 00:05:52.959 I heard that there are things that people like that's 96 00:05:53.000 --> 00:05:57.399 what I need here, because it was it was worthless 97 00:05:57.439 --> 00:05:57.600 to me. 98 00:05:58.759 --> 00:06:05.120 Oh, dear, okay, JJ coming in hot Steve, if I remember, 99 00:06:05.560 --> 00:06:08.920 you are a massive booster for David Cap, right, I 100 00:06:08.920 --> 00:06:10.839 think you really love David cap. 101 00:06:10.600 --> 00:06:11.079 Is that right? 102 00:06:11.560 --> 00:06:14.759 No? Oh, I don't know why you're getting that problem. 103 00:06:14.800 --> 00:06:21.160 That's right, there are there are. 104 00:06:20.959 --> 00:06:25.439 Things, but I really, after I reflect on this, mom, 105 00:06:25.480 --> 00:06:28.639 I thought, you know, this movie is the perfect metaphor 106 00:06:28.800 --> 00:06:31.959 for itself. You have a world where people have grown 107 00:06:32.000 --> 00:06:36.160 in different to dinosaurs. You've got creative people trying to 108 00:06:36.240 --> 00:06:39.920 make the biggest, baddest mutated thing, and they're slapping stuff 109 00:06:39.959 --> 00:06:43.360 together and sometimes you end up with these ugly, horrible results. 110 00:06:43.680 --> 00:06:46.399 You've got greedy corporations that are just trying to make 111 00:06:46.439 --> 00:06:50.040 a profit above anything else. And in the end, families 112 00:06:50.040 --> 00:06:53.360 are left abused and traumatized and they just wanted to 113 00:06:53.360 --> 00:06:57.000 spend time together. And that's this movie, and that is 114 00:06:57.040 --> 00:06:59.199 what's going on with this franchise at this point. 115 00:07:00.160 --> 00:07:03.839 How Well said that was really well said. That was 116 00:07:04.079 --> 00:07:07.839 a parade of truth. I appreciate that, Steve. And coming 117 00:07:07.839 --> 00:07:11.160 to us from the reptile room in a veterinarian clinic 118 00:07:11.240 --> 00:07:14.480 this week is really extraordinary. Mandy. The first thing that 119 00:07:14.560 --> 00:07:19.000 I heard from tom about your adventures to go see 120 00:07:19.040 --> 00:07:21.639 this movie together was, Mandy's really mad at me because 121 00:07:21.680 --> 00:07:25.399 we're doing this movie and she's grudge watching it. Is 122 00:07:25.439 --> 00:07:26.160 that accurate? 123 00:07:26.800 --> 00:07:29.000 I'm going to say the thing that always gets a reaction. 124 00:07:29.240 --> 00:07:33.800 You ready, I've never seen Jurassic Park insane. I've never 125 00:07:33.839 --> 00:07:41.399 seen any of these movies start right, So I thought, 126 00:07:42.560 --> 00:07:45.079 But I love you guys, and I love the film board, 127 00:07:45.199 --> 00:07:49.360 and I'm becoming a nerd, so I wanted to jump 128 00:07:49.399 --> 00:07:54.720 in and try this. But I did have a positive 129 00:07:54.720 --> 00:07:58.120 that Tommy's not being honest about how much he enjoyed 130 00:07:58.120 --> 00:08:03.319 one feature of this movie a lot, and throughout the movie. 131 00:08:03.800 --> 00:08:06.920 I snuck in hallapeno cheddar powder for our popcorn. 132 00:08:07.399 --> 00:08:10.519 Right, cont so good. 133 00:08:10.480 --> 00:08:15.839 And that was fantastic. No, Jesus refuses to like anything 134 00:08:15.879 --> 00:08:16.600 about this movie. 135 00:08:16.759 --> 00:08:18.959 This is not a liking. This is the concept that 136 00:08:19.040 --> 00:08:21.959 contraband exists. I've worked at multiple theaters in my life. 137 00:08:21.959 --> 00:08:25.680 It's really not a thing anyway. Go on, Okay, well, getting. 138 00:08:25.399 --> 00:08:28.800 Some real no butt energy from JJ's corner to call 139 00:08:28.879 --> 00:08:29.680 this this. 140 00:08:29.959 --> 00:08:31.360 So I enjoyed my popcorn. 141 00:08:32.240 --> 00:08:35.720 Okay, that's something, all right, I have to say, I 142 00:08:35.799 --> 00:08:38.279 echo Steve. I feel like this movie. I could not 143 00:08:38.559 --> 00:08:42.120 help but wonder if they knew they were lampooning themselves 144 00:08:42.120 --> 00:08:45.840 as they you know, seen after scene was was addressing 145 00:08:46.600 --> 00:08:49.320 the meta issue of whether we should be watching this 146 00:08:49.440 --> 00:08:51.320 movie or if we should just put it to bed. 147 00:08:52.480 --> 00:08:56.279 I liked more about the last set of Jurassic World 148 00:08:56.360 --> 00:09:00.759 movies than I did about this one, and that's largely 149 00:09:00.799 --> 00:09:07.039 to say that for me, the dinosaurs are fun on screen, 150 00:09:07.240 --> 00:09:11.120 and most of them I thought looked really good and interesting, 151 00:09:11.320 --> 00:09:15.919 and anytime a dinosaur is eating someone, I'm into it. 152 00:09:16.440 --> 00:09:19.919 And the problem is that there are humans in the movie, 153 00:09:20.120 --> 00:09:23.440 and they have been given scripts with words that just 154 00:09:24.360 --> 00:09:28.960 don't work. And I think I think some of our 155 00:09:29.200 --> 00:09:35.480 principal cast were miscast in their worst way. This is 156 00:09:35.519 --> 00:09:37.919 a thing we've talked about before, which is, you know, 157 00:09:37.919 --> 00:09:43.799 when you have sometimes a charismatic performer can bring dead 158 00:09:43.919 --> 00:09:47.840 material to life by the sheer power of will and 159 00:09:48.080 --> 00:09:53.440 that charisma. And sometimes you have just actors that are very, 160 00:09:53.559 --> 00:09:58.080 very talented at their craft and they cannot do anything 161 00:09:58.559 --> 00:10:02.399 with mud and what they were handed. Actors that I 162 00:10:02.480 --> 00:10:07.679 otherwise like were given mud in this script and it 163 00:10:07.879 --> 00:10:11.519 just didn't play the last point before we I promise 164 00:10:11.600 --> 00:10:18.840 we'll move on. Is I forgot my last point? Oh no, 165 00:10:19.440 --> 00:10:21.759 that's probably telling. 166 00:10:22.039 --> 00:10:23.799 Well, maybe what you could do is talk about it 167 00:10:23.840 --> 00:10:28.039 sarcastically and just avoid discussing what it actually is, so 168 00:10:28.080 --> 00:10:30.559 that the audience is left to kind of figure out 169 00:10:30.600 --> 00:10:33.360 what really happened and guess at it as opposed to 170 00:10:33.480 --> 00:10:36.440 really finding out what the story is about. That would 171 00:10:36.440 --> 00:10:38.440 be very much like watching this movie. 172 00:10:39.120 --> 00:10:40.559 Or you could glisten. 173 00:10:42.679 --> 00:10:46.679 And like maybe maybe like like giggle kind of flirtatiously 174 00:10:47.000 --> 00:10:49.399 in an environment that makes no sense for it. That 175 00:10:49.440 --> 00:10:50.120 would work too. 176 00:10:50.399 --> 00:10:53.759 Yeah, Now to your point, Pete, I mean they at 177 00:10:53.759 --> 00:10:56.879 the read through, they must have noticed that Scarlett Johansson, 178 00:10:56.919 --> 00:11:00.000 who I really really like, can't deliver that type of joke, 179 00:11:00.480 --> 00:11:05.080 which is a deadpan kind of sarcastic, slightly quippish, but 180 00:11:05.120 --> 00:11:08.159 still underwritten. She can't do it, and then the movie 181 00:11:08.200 --> 00:11:10.799 has her do it nineteen times. It's a disaster. 182 00:11:11.320 --> 00:11:13.919 I don't even remember and attempt at a joke. Honestly, 183 00:11:13.960 --> 00:11:15.039 I'm not making a joke. 184 00:11:15.960 --> 00:11:18.039 Well, the audience didn't catch it either, but there were 185 00:11:18.080 --> 00:11:21.240 a bunch He kept trying to, like sarcastically make people 186 00:11:21.279 --> 00:11:24.320 do stuff or say things, and it just it was 187 00:11:24.399 --> 00:11:26.879 completely wooden and weird. And I really like her, but 188 00:11:26.960 --> 00:11:29.799 it's just the movie didn't adapt to that fact of, oh, 189 00:11:29.840 --> 00:11:33.879 we need to write jokes. It can't. Like Ryan Reynolds 190 00:11:33.879 --> 00:11:36.639 can present that type of a joke and people will laugh. 191 00:11:36.879 --> 00:11:37.440 She cannot. 192 00:11:37.879 --> 00:11:41.559 So much of her interactions with Loomis. With Loomis was 193 00:11:41.679 --> 00:11:45.799 like that, right, whereas she like Loomis is the doctor, 194 00:11:45.919 --> 00:11:50.120 he's the he's the brainy one. No, he's the guy 195 00:11:50.720 --> 00:11:51.360 fear of. 196 00:11:52.919 --> 00:11:53.559 Yeah. 197 00:11:53.639 --> 00:11:56.600 Think about the recruitment scene where she and the evil 198 00:11:56.639 --> 00:12:00.559 guy are sitting closely together even though they literally just met, 199 00:12:00.600 --> 00:12:03.360 and she hasn't really even accepted the job. But now 200 00:12:03.399 --> 00:12:05.039 all of a sudden, they're a team to try to 201 00:12:05.080 --> 00:12:07.919 recruit the doctor to join, and they are having this 202 00:12:08.000 --> 00:12:11.480 interaction that's loaded with these kind of sarcastic quips that 203 00:12:11.639 --> 00:12:14.440 like none of them hit as jokes, and you have 204 00:12:14.600 --> 00:12:17.639 no chemistry between the characters because they haven't been established 205 00:12:17.639 --> 00:12:19.519 as a relation. They don't even really like each other. 206 00:12:19.720 --> 00:12:22.320 There's there's really nothing to go off of. And so 207 00:12:22.440 --> 00:12:24.919 even Tommy, I love what you're saying, but I actually 208 00:12:25.000 --> 00:12:27.000 don't even think it's any I think it's more what 209 00:12:27.039 --> 00:12:28.759 Pete's saying, and that it has really nothing to do 210 00:12:28.799 --> 00:12:31.440 with Scarlett Johansson. It has to do with an utterly 211 00:12:31.519 --> 00:12:35.120 confusing script that makes no sense of character interaction at all. 212 00:12:35.320 --> 00:12:38.200 It felt like it was written by AI. It was 213 00:12:38.320 --> 00:12:44.759 just the most generic, lowest common denominator, obvious, terribly unnuanced. 214 00:12:45.919 --> 00:12:49.960 If you look really carefully at the credits cap, the 215 00:12:50.120 --> 00:12:54.399 oh is this zero is? At least that took me 216 00:12:54.440 --> 00:12:54.879 a long time. 217 00:12:55.200 --> 00:12:58.240 I ask for Mandy to come in with her tagline, Mandy, 218 00:12:58.240 --> 00:12:59.440 you missed your cue. 219 00:12:59.639 --> 00:13:00.559 There's a script? 220 00:13:02.159 --> 00:13:06.279 Yeah, right, that was the question about this whole movie. 221 00:13:06.360 --> 00:13:07.679 Where is it? Yeah? 222 00:13:07.720 --> 00:13:10.519 Before we record I'll let you guys know how ditsy 223 00:13:10.600 --> 00:13:15.320 I am, but whilst recording I like to appear very knowledgeable. 224 00:13:16.960 --> 00:13:19.000 This is the Fountain of Youth problem, Like this is 225 00:13:19.039 --> 00:13:21.039 I mean, you say, this isn't a Scarlet Johanson problem, 226 00:13:21.039 --> 00:13:23.759 and it's not really Scarlett Johanson's problem. But Fountain of Youth, 227 00:13:24.480 --> 00:13:29.600 which is another Apple TV original, has John Krasinsky and 228 00:13:29.679 --> 00:13:32.480 Natalie Portman, and it has the same script problems. The 229 00:13:32.519 --> 00:13:36.279 script is terrible, and yet Krasinski, through power of will 230 00:13:36.320 --> 00:13:40.879 and charisma, can make stupid words come out charmingly and 231 00:13:41.240 --> 00:13:44.960 I enjoy watching him do it. And Natalie Portman, whom 232 00:13:45.039 --> 00:13:49.000 I adore as an actor and find so many of 233 00:13:49.039 --> 00:13:55.480 her very serious works fantastic, is completely dead wood in 234 00:13:55.559 --> 00:14:00.320 the movie. She also cannot deliver the kind of of 235 00:14:00.600 --> 00:14:04.519 sort of insipid language that is rife in that script. 236 00:14:04.600 --> 00:14:07.840 I'm all about a dumb movie, but casting the right 237 00:14:07.960 --> 00:14:12.320 performer to do it is so critical, And Scarlett Johansson 238 00:14:12.720 --> 00:14:17.039 was handed this wet log of a script and was 239 00:14:17.120 --> 00:14:20.679 asked to do something really incredible with it and be 240 00:14:21.360 --> 00:14:26.679 and a strong character of agency that shoots guns and 241 00:14:26.759 --> 00:14:31.559 hangs off of boats, and it just never conjured the 242 00:14:31.600 --> 00:14:35.039 black widowness that we all know she can deliver. It 243 00:14:35.120 --> 00:14:37.879 never once achieved that level of energy. 244 00:14:38.440 --> 00:14:41.799 I'd like to add one thing about the script and 245 00:14:41.840 --> 00:14:45.279 the problem with this franchise, and I think this might 246 00:14:45.360 --> 00:14:47.879 be it. Because we went through the first trilogy, went 247 00:14:47.879 --> 00:14:50.440 through the second trilogy. They're doing this and I don't 248 00:14:50.559 --> 00:14:54.159 think anybody has really honed in on what makes a 249 00:14:54.279 --> 00:14:58.399 Jurassic Park movie a Jurassic Park movie. They dialed that 250 00:14:58.519 --> 00:15:00.960 in with Fast and Furious. Mind I figured that out, 251 00:15:01.000 --> 00:15:02.559 and so now they can crank those out and they 252 00:15:02.600 --> 00:15:05.120 can be silly, it can be ridiculous. I don't think 253 00:15:05.240 --> 00:15:07.799 they've written any writer who's really cracked the code of 254 00:15:08.120 --> 00:15:11.960 what makes the Jurassic Park movie the success that it is. 255 00:15:12.600 --> 00:15:14.840 They've got the first one, other attempts and they've tried 256 00:15:14.960 --> 00:15:18.080 various things, and I think that's the problem with this. 257 00:15:18.240 --> 00:15:20.200 What is it supposed to be? Is it just people 258 00:15:20.200 --> 00:15:23.159 with dinosaurs? Is it supposed to be you know, the 259 00:15:23.159 --> 00:15:23.679 theme park? 260 00:15:23.759 --> 00:15:24.360 What is it? 261 00:15:24.440 --> 00:15:26.679 And I don't think it has a strong sense of 262 00:15:26.720 --> 00:15:29.720 what ties it into that franchise, and so we get 263 00:15:29.720 --> 00:15:32.960 something that feels like reheated other movies other things, because 264 00:15:32.960 --> 00:15:35.080 there's no sense of identity of this is what a 265 00:15:35.159 --> 00:15:36.720 Jurassic Park movie is supposed to be. 266 00:15:37.200 --> 00:15:38.919 I think that's a really good question, Steve, and I 267 00:15:38.919 --> 00:15:42.480 would love it if we could just lobby bandy this 268 00:15:42.559 --> 00:15:46.200 about a little bit. What is a Jurassic Park movie? 269 00:15:46.759 --> 00:15:46.960 Tom? 270 00:15:47.000 --> 00:15:49.440 It's literally raising your hand, is what I do. 271 00:15:49.960 --> 00:15:52.519 It's from the first book. It's running around in the dark. 272 00:15:52.919 --> 00:15:55.799 It's being out matched, running around in the dark without 273 00:15:55.840 --> 00:16:00.159 any equipment, without all these guns. You don't need this movie. 274 00:16:00.240 --> 00:16:04.159 This franchise got obsessed with this idea that everyone instantly 275 00:16:04.200 --> 00:16:07.879 becomes super bored with dinosaurs, which is so dumb. No 276 00:16:07.919 --> 00:16:10.159 one's gonna get bored, And so they started. 277 00:16:09.919 --> 00:16:13.799 Reinvent telling on themselves, telling themselves. 278 00:16:13.720 --> 00:16:16.159 Yeah, I mean, and like the fact that we're still 279 00:16:16.759 --> 00:16:19.039 this movie, as terrible as it is, is making a 280 00:16:19.159 --> 00:16:22.120 zillion dollars, is doing it very very well. And so 281 00:16:22.639 --> 00:16:26.360 people aren't bored with dinosaurs, but the movies insisting we are, 282 00:16:26.399 --> 00:16:29.440 And so they have to keep creating new hybrids, new things. 283 00:16:29.679 --> 00:16:32.799 You put the original unknowable creatures because we don't really 284 00:16:32.840 --> 00:16:35.799 know what they are, and put them break a fence 285 00:16:35.879 --> 00:16:38.399 and put people out in the dark, and not in 286 00:16:38.440 --> 00:16:42.759 these crazy locales. We don't need tanks, we don't need guns, 287 00:16:42.759 --> 00:16:47.440 we certainly don't need everything shot at noon. But like 288 00:16:47.480 --> 00:16:49.480 people are afraid of the dark, and people are afraid 289 00:16:49.480 --> 00:16:51.360 of nature in the dark and being hunted. Just go 290 00:16:51.440 --> 00:16:53.600 back to that. That's what I was really hoping for 291 00:16:53.639 --> 00:16:53.960 with this. 292 00:16:54.399 --> 00:16:57.200 I liked the movie the second time I watched it 293 00:16:57.240 --> 00:17:00.840 when it was called Jaws. That's what I thought this 294 00:17:00.879 --> 00:17:01.679 movie was trying to be. 295 00:17:03.440 --> 00:17:06.160 Yeah, it needs to be scarier, right, I mean, honestly so, 296 00:17:06.400 --> 00:17:08.039 I think I was. I think one of my first 297 00:17:08.079 --> 00:17:11.559 theater jobs was when the original Jurassic Park came through, 298 00:17:11.680 --> 00:17:14.160 and I think that was back in the time when 299 00:17:14.200 --> 00:17:17.920 I wasn't comfortable watching a scary movie, and that I 300 00:17:18.119 --> 00:17:21.160 like the concept of it hearkening to Jaws or this 301 00:17:21.319 --> 00:17:24.359 running in the dark concept, because really the fear or 302 00:17:24.400 --> 00:17:27.279 the you think about the jump scares or the intense 303 00:17:27.359 --> 00:17:30.279 dread scenes in the original Jurassic Park and even in 304 00:17:30.319 --> 00:17:32.640 some of the good movies there are good movies in 305 00:17:32.640 --> 00:17:36.000 this franchise that came later. They stayed true to that 306 00:17:36.119 --> 00:17:39.680 in allowing us to tap into our fear in something 307 00:17:39.759 --> 00:17:43.880 that we are interestingly interested in, which I think is 308 00:17:43.920 --> 00:17:45.720 a great way to do it. I think when we 309 00:17:45.759 --> 00:17:49.200 saw the first Jurassic World movie here, that Chris Pratt piece, 310 00:17:49.680 --> 00:17:52.759 you know, I thought that was a pretty decent movie, 311 00:17:52.799 --> 00:17:55.559 that it was fun, it was a nice ride. This 312 00:17:55.759 --> 00:18:00.960 is completely sanitized, confusing, nonsense, and there's so many reasons 313 00:18:00.960 --> 00:18:05.640 for it. You could even argue that the grandioseness of 314 00:18:05.680 --> 00:18:08.640 the theme in the original is something that's really special 315 00:18:08.680 --> 00:18:12.160 about this that doesn't even really play here either. They're 316 00:18:12.200 --> 00:18:14.359 getting rid of all of that. That piece of we're 317 00:18:14.359 --> 00:18:16.519 getting tired of our own stuff is what I feel 318 00:18:16.519 --> 00:18:19.079 from this movie. And that's why I'm saying they're telling 319 00:18:19.079 --> 00:18:22.160 on themselves. They don't even really care about this anymore, 320 00:18:22.160 --> 00:18:24.720 and they're just letting it die, which is terribly sad. 321 00:18:24.880 --> 00:18:28.240 Well, look at what you and Tom together just described 322 00:18:28.480 --> 00:18:30.680 in picking out the first Jurassic Park and the first 323 00:18:31.119 --> 00:18:34.960 Jurassic World. The thing that's fantastic about those movies, and 324 00:18:35.000 --> 00:18:38.920 I say fantastic with a degree of cinematic relativism. The 325 00:18:38.960 --> 00:18:41.880 thing that is fantastic is that these are human systems 326 00:18:41.880 --> 00:18:46.039 that have been created that run amuck, and I can 327 00:18:46.079 --> 00:18:49.359 see myself being in either one of them. I can 328 00:18:49.400 --> 00:18:53.079 see myself being a visitor in one of these parks 329 00:18:53.279 --> 00:18:56.319 and having the horror show of the fence breaking down 330 00:18:56.599 --> 00:18:59.960 and being terrified of that. That's what makes those movies 331 00:19:00.119 --> 00:19:05.160 special and provocative. And as soon as they give the 332 00:19:05.160 --> 00:19:07.920 the people a mission you've got to go in and 333 00:19:08.039 --> 00:19:11.880 predator this island, it becomes nonsense because I can no 334 00:19:12.000 --> 00:19:15.920 longer see myself doing it. I'm never going to take 335 00:19:16.200 --> 00:19:19.960 the neurotoxin in let's hang a flag on neurotoxin and 336 00:19:20.119 --> 00:19:24.119 never effing use it at all. I have thoughts about 337 00:19:24.160 --> 00:19:25.119 those kinds of things. 338 00:19:25.160 --> 00:19:25.759 This movie. 339 00:19:25.839 --> 00:19:28.079 I'm never going to be on that damn boat. I'm 340 00:19:28.119 --> 00:19:31.759 never going to be there. This lost the soul of 341 00:19:31.880 --> 00:19:34.440 running around in the dark. Hat tip, Tom. That was 342 00:19:34.599 --> 00:19:35.799 just a perfect way. 343 00:19:35.839 --> 00:19:38.799 To do it, unless you have a criminally reckless father 344 00:19:39.680 --> 00:19:42.839 who takes you and your little sister and your stoner 345 00:19:42.920 --> 00:19:46.119 boyfriend through the no supply. 346 00:19:47.240 --> 00:19:47.440 Yeah. 347 00:19:47.480 --> 00:19:50.920 I mean, they're the ones that were supposed to relate to, right, 348 00:19:51.000 --> 00:19:52.799 They're the ones we're supposed to feel like. 349 00:19:52.759 --> 00:19:55.960 They're the audience. Yeah, yeah, because I know if my 350 00:19:56.160 --> 00:19:59.920 child was going to go across a river to a boat, 351 00:20:00.000 --> 00:20:04.400 I spent the whole time going come, come, come, Come, Come, Come, Come, 352 00:20:05.559 --> 00:20:09.519 it's god, my knee doesn't work. My knee is fine. 353 00:20:09.559 --> 00:20:11.240 My knee doesn't work, is fine. 354 00:20:11.960 --> 00:20:15.920 Now I'm going to run right And the repetitive moments, 355 00:20:16.000 --> 00:20:17.839 I mean, I hope we get into that a little bit, 356 00:20:17.880 --> 00:20:21.839 but anyway, I think that's a failure in itself. Our 357 00:20:22.359 --> 00:20:27.559 connecting characters are idiots. I mean, I'm sorry, and also 358 00:20:27.640 --> 00:20:28.279 not funny. 359 00:20:28.519 --> 00:20:34.759 Now he's again what we're idiots? That's the point, right. 360 00:20:36.920 --> 00:20:41.319 The boy The boyfriend was supposed to be funny, yes, no, 361 00:20:41.480 --> 00:20:45.039 but he's not. He was underwritten everything this This was 362 00:20:45.039 --> 00:20:48.519 a very first draft script that they forgot to punch 363 00:20:48.640 --> 00:20:51.720 up or they just assumed people will be able to 364 00:20:52.119 --> 00:20:54.319 deliver these lines, and like Pete said, it takes a 365 00:20:54.359 --> 00:20:57.440 certain type of actor to deliver these type of under 366 00:20:57.519 --> 00:21:00.359 under underwritten lines and the move I mean it was 367 00:21:00.839 --> 00:21:03.319 I was embarrassed for the movie. Many and I saw it, 368 00:21:03.480 --> 00:21:06.720 and it was the theater was full and silent. 369 00:21:07.200 --> 00:21:10.720 Yeah, I laughed at it repeatedly of like, what do 370 00:21:10.759 --> 00:21:14.640 you think I'm gonna say about this movie? 371 00:21:15.319 --> 00:21:18.279 Like, oh, I was jealous of a little kid who 372 00:21:18.319 --> 00:21:20.519 was too scared and his mom had to take him 373 00:21:20.519 --> 00:21:21.839 out in the lobby and wait for the rest of 374 00:21:21.880 --> 00:21:24.200 the family, and when I peed for the fourth time, 375 00:21:24.240 --> 00:21:26.279 I was like, you nailed call. 376 00:21:27.519 --> 00:21:27.759 Call. 377 00:21:27.920 --> 00:21:31.119 You're out in a lobby, running around the hall. Whatever 378 00:21:31.160 --> 00:21:33.039 you're doing, it's better than what I'm doing. 379 00:21:34.319 --> 00:21:37.079 I want to transition to Garrett Edwards because you know, 380 00:21:37.119 --> 00:21:40.000 we've talked about Edwards on this show before. We've talked 381 00:21:40.000 --> 00:21:44.559 about Godzilla. One of the great single shots of Godzilla, 382 00:21:44.640 --> 00:21:47.640 where much of the movie I feel like it's is 383 00:21:47.680 --> 00:21:50.880 sort of lost in sense memory. I remember it. I 384 00:21:50.920 --> 00:21:53.119 remember feeling that it was kind of a it was 385 00:21:53.160 --> 00:21:55.720 a middling to fair movie, that it was good, with 386 00:21:55.759 --> 00:22:00.720 some incredibly beautiful sequences and shots, one of them being 387 00:22:00.759 --> 00:22:03.599 the sky diving the Halo divers who jumped out of 388 00:22:03.640 --> 00:22:07.279 the plane and dove through the red smoke. It seems 389 00:22:08.079 --> 00:22:10.799 it's possible that Gareth Edwards has a thing for red 390 00:22:11.119 --> 00:22:16.240 and red smoke. There are some I think beautiful sequences 391 00:22:16.599 --> 00:22:22.279 of emerging dinosaurs and the disastrous Rex. I guess is 392 00:22:22.319 --> 00:22:25.759 that what it's called the d Rex. There is a 393 00:22:25.839 --> 00:22:29.400 moment you can kind of feel that Edwards is trying 394 00:22:29.440 --> 00:22:34.440 to conjure Spielberg's tendency to hide the big bad and 395 00:22:34.680 --> 00:22:37.000 just show us little bits of it and its weird head. 396 00:22:37.480 --> 00:22:42.119 And I imagine if I liked the movie more, I 397 00:22:42.119 --> 00:22:45.680 would have been more impacted by those choices, because I 398 00:22:45.759 --> 00:22:50.160 do think they were legitimately beautiful smoke reveals. I think 399 00:22:50.160 --> 00:22:53.920 they looked great, and they could have been really scary thoughts. 400 00:22:54.319 --> 00:22:56.279 The point that I have difficulty with that, Like I 401 00:22:56.400 --> 00:22:58.759