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Speaker 1: Fear, Chris, I'm the nerd with the Mouth David Alliance
Speaker 1: a Symbol Symbol, Volume three hundred and two. And we
Speaker 1: were all last week, but we knew we would be
Speaker 1: coming back strong with count of three new episodes of
Speaker 1: X Men ninety seven Season two and another show that
Speaker 1: premiered at the same time during an interesting slot of
Speaker 1: time slot that I cannot wait to finally we get
Speaker 1: to talk to that episode, because my goodness, that was
Speaker 1: like icing on the cake.
Speaker 2: Didn't see that coming in man Dayalen, Uh so good
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Speaker 3: That made me smile so much, so so much.
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Speaker 3: Well, one day it was ninety five, but o that. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: two episodes one, two and three Big Chonky episodes.
Speaker 2: That's what weekly say.
Speaker 1: With a lot of the most of the animation that
Speaker 1: we see coming from Marvel, it's it's close to thirty minutes,
Speaker 1: but not exactly sometimes, but they're darn close to it.
Speaker 2: So you're not getting like a twenty two minute.
Speaker 1: Episode, but the significant ones, they got the back and behind.
Speaker 1: You know, they came back last year season one of
Speaker 1: it a lot of lot of eyes.
Speaker 2: I'm wondering if it could really.
Speaker 1: Make it, and man, it exceeded most of our expectations,
Speaker 1: so a lot is riding on season two. Non spoiler thoughts.
Speaker 1: Do you think they are back er? You think that
Speaker 1: they they're they're having a sophomore slump. What do you
Speaker 1: think with these three?
Speaker 3: I think they they came out the gates swinging, you know,
Speaker 3: to too early the day.
Speaker 2: Did they throw hand?
Speaker 3: Yes, too early to tell it if they match how
Speaker 3: great last season was. But man, they they come out
Speaker 3: in these first three episodes, even in with a a
Speaker 3: moment that just hast you waiting and anticipating the next episode.
Speaker 3: So I think that they This was super cool. I
Speaker 3: was wondering how they were going to take the whole
Speaker 3: dynamic of the time rift and work with it. And
Speaker 3: it had some some cool moments, some interesting fight scenes,
Speaker 3: and a couple of cameos that I was not expecting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was you know. I always wonder when they
Speaker 1: do these episode drops. Could each of these episodes stand
Speaker 1: on its own or did they feel like there was some.
Speaker 2: Set of time.
Speaker 1: I think for the most part that if they did
Speaker 1: a single episode episode, I think it could have stood
Speaker 1: on its own. But I mean, again, they want to
Speaker 1: hit They want to kind of strike by the irons hot.
Speaker 1: It's been a couple of years since the series, the
Speaker 1: first season was out, so they want to kind of
Speaker 1: get that fan fare back for it, especially with you know,
Speaker 1: kind of where the teams are and I think, look
Speaker 1: reflecting back why they did it. I mean, we've got
Speaker 1: three separate teams going on. We've got the team in
Speaker 1: the future, we've got the team in the past, and
Speaker 1: then we've got the team in the present. So that
Speaker 1: was really cool kind of seeing the dynamics that were
Speaker 1: going on with each episode so that we weren't left wondering, oh,
Speaker 1: what's happening this week.
Speaker 2: We kind of get it all in this chunk.
Speaker 1: Now we see where everyone's playing and how that's gonna
Speaker 1: work out.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so I'm excited.
Speaker 1: To break this down and kind of talk about what's
Speaker 1: going on and possible theories for the future of where
Speaker 1: this series is going. But yeah, this is the only
Speaker 1: week that it's gonna be multiple episodes because I remember,
Speaker 1: what was it last last year they ended with Danded
Speaker 1: with a multiple episodes at the same time, right yeah,
Speaker 1: so yeah, so that from here on out it's one
Speaker 1: episode a week. So all right, well, we're gonna take
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Speaker 2: All right, so we're.
Speaker 1: Jump over this sport episode one Days of Past Future.
Speaker 2: So we left off the X Men. You know, we
Speaker 2: gotta get the X Men back to the nineties.
Speaker 1: It's one of those that it's borderline cringe, but borderline
Speaker 1: also saying you know what, go for it, you get
Speaker 1: on with your bad self Bishop, and you.
Speaker 3: Know what, throughout these three episodes, I'm gonna say this
Speaker 3: like as a whole. They mentioned this is a couple
Speaker 3: of times, just how monumental the nine nies were to
Speaker 3: the X Men apocalypse, and the Future mentions it, like
Speaker 3: Bishop mentions it, there's just a couple of times we're like, oh,
Speaker 3: we got to get them when they were most vulnerable,
Speaker 3: or you know, we got to get back to when
Speaker 3: we were when we were most strongest, and everything is
Speaker 3: happening in the nineties. Now, granted, X Men had a
Speaker 3: hell of a run in the nineties, not just with
Speaker 3: cartoons but also comics and everything else, but it is
Speaker 3: just hilarious that the way that they mentioned the nineteen nineties,
Speaker 3: even from the far three thousands, they're still talking about
Speaker 3: the nineties.
Speaker 1: It's just funny because as children of the nineties, as
Speaker 1: we both were in some way, shape or form, it's
Speaker 1: one of those where it's just like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like the nineties at that point.
Speaker 1: It's just kind of just when you've got a series
Speaker 1: that's really kind of like literally calls out on the
Speaker 1: title ninety seven, Well, we're kind of at the tail
Speaker 1: end of the nineties at that point, but regardless, let's
Speaker 1: get into it. So Season two premiere opens with Bishop
Speaker 1: watching a news report which details the alleged deaths of
Speaker 1: the X Men. Bishop for Bishop and Forge discussed a
Speaker 1: plan to travel back in time to rescue them. Now
Speaker 1: remember that was our i believe, first introduction to Forge
Speaker 1: with the episode that brought Bishop into the present. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so they want to rescue and pull them back into
Speaker 1: the proper place of the timeline. Bishop says that he
Speaker 1: will be going to the past because Forge has his
Speaker 1: heart set on the future. As we see that Storm
Speaker 1: is among the team in the future, so we know
Speaker 1: they had their little tryst and in the they always
Speaker 1: had this very much a love affair with each other,
Speaker 1: on again, off again, and remember and so we you know.
Speaker 1: Bishop also explains that the two points in time to
Speaker 1: which they will be traveling to represent the wrise of
Speaker 1: apocalypse in ancient Egypt and then the height of his
Speaker 1: reign in the future, so you know, it's very interesting.
Speaker 1: And then Mike question is, well, screw the president. Nobody's
Speaker 1: caring about what's going on there. It's kind of like
Speaker 1: a big thing. It's like whatever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're like, you know what, we already back in
Speaker 3: ninety six and ninety five, we defeated him already, so
Speaker 3: he's dormant for now, so we're gonna wait to another
Speaker 3: one hundred year reign. Yep.
Speaker 1: So they jump into the time machine built by Forge
Speaker 1: and we follow him into the future. So this whole episode,
Speaker 1: you know, we're going into the future. So that's where
Speaker 1: Scott's team is with Gene Storm, Wolverine. Who else is there?
Speaker 1: Is that it that makes up the main part of
Speaker 1: that team.
Speaker 2: More more there we go.
Speaker 1: So for four just immediately fighting these Terminator like robots
Speaker 1: and as he's trying to you know, hide and play
Speaker 1: a cat and mouse game there, one of the robots
Speaker 1: sees him, but he's thankfully saved by the feral version
Speaker 1: of Wolverine wielding his bone claws rather than because remember
Speaker 1: his adamantium was ripped out of him by Magnet at
Speaker 1: the end of last season. Storm also arrives and joins
Speaker 1: him and takes down these were freaky looking robots that
Speaker 1: were basically ripped from the page of the comics at
Speaker 1: this point, almost like taking human skulls, you know, exoskeletons,
Speaker 1: very much like terminator s. But these even look like
Speaker 1: monstrous at that point, but I did like it. During
Speaker 1: the fight, Wolverine's claws do break as he's using them
Speaker 1: to fight, but also grow back.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he goes to do a stabbing motion that he's
Speaker 3: done hundreds of times before, downward stab on the head
Speaker 3: of one of the robots, and you see his claws
Speaker 3: break and he yells out like he feels the pain.
Speaker 3: He continues the fight, but you could tell like this hurts,
Speaker 3: but he's just so used to having those movements, and
Speaker 3: then the bone was not having it against the metal
Speaker 3: of that robot. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Even they said, well, what about his healing factor? I said,
Speaker 1: he still has it, but I don't even do We
Speaker 1: don't know how much time has passed. I think we
Speaker 1: know maybe a couple of months have passed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And if you listen closely, like when he pops
Speaker 3: his claws, it's not the shriek sound that you're used
Speaker 3: to hearing. It's it's more of a ripping, tearing sound.
Speaker 3: So it's definitely the bone going through the skin. And
Speaker 3: remember that's his healing factor. Doesn't necessarily like a get
Speaker 3: rid of the pain, like even when when he had
Speaker 3: him and he still could feel everything, you know, yeah,
Speaker 3: you know it doesn't matter of getting used to it.
Speaker 3: But his body has gone through, you know, getting ripped
Speaker 3: out of the adamantium has gone through. And as we
Speaker 3: talked about when the season premiered and we saw these
Speaker 3: images of Pharaoh Overen.
Speaker 1: This is his now natural, this was going to be
Speaker 1: his natural. Progression of his mutation is turning into this
Speaker 1: kind of looking more feral of a beast like character.
Speaker 1: So Forge argues that they can't stay at that point
Speaker 1: in timeline, and eventually they agreeed it. They agreed to
Speaker 1: allow them to stay for for them at that point
Speaker 1: because Skip I skipped something at that point in my note. Sorry,
Speaker 1: So when they when they eventually defeat the machines from Apocalypse,
Speaker 1: at that point, Storm gets forged to come with them
Speaker 1: to join them at back at the camp with the Resistance,
Speaker 1: and at the camp they meet mother Askani, the woman
Speaker 1: whose Cyclops and Gene met at the end of season one,
Speaker 1: and Cyclops explains to Fordes that they need to be
Speaker 1: a part of their son, Nathan's life as long as
Speaker 1: they can. Nathan, of course, will become the mutant soldier
Speaker 1: Knows's cable and they we saw the birth of Nathan,
Speaker 1: but he mister Sinister, infected them the techno organic virus,
Speaker 1: forcing Cyclops and Gene to make the decision to give
Speaker 1: their child to Bishop to bring him into the future.
Speaker 2: So he could survive.
Speaker 3: Can I just pause for a moment. Yeah, I have
Speaker 3: to say this, and I have to put on put
Speaker 3: on my eyewear as I say this. But my man,
Speaker 3: Cyclops was right. Look at him trying to be a
Speaker 3: loving father and be there for his child. Cyclops is right.
Speaker 3: He loves his son. He wants to be there for
Speaker 3: his son.
Speaker 2: Hold that thought, Hold that thought.
Speaker 1: He'll eventually prove himself within these episodes, within this episode
Speaker 1: of like what are we doing here? You know, he
Speaker 1: says he's here for his son. He does, and then
Speaker 1: quickly gives him up.
Speaker 2: So don't don't, don't. Don't give him that much credit.
Speaker 3: So he has to for the good of what's going on.
Speaker 3: But he wants to be there for his son. He
Speaker 3: wants for his family.
Speaker 2: Sure Jim.
Speaker 1: Anyways, so Forge argues that they can't stay there, they
Speaker 1: could be disrupting the timeline majorly. So he does allow
Speaker 1: them to stay with Nathan just for one more day,
Speaker 1: and he points out to them that they don't know
Speaker 1: who pulled the X Men through and what the motivation
Speaker 1: is for doing so, and also Nathan doesn't know Scott
Speaker 1: and Jean are his parents. At this point, they just
Speaker 1: think that they're nice people, that they've saved.
Speaker 3: Some random people who are really invested in his care
Speaker 3: and making sure that everything goes good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it is rather interesting to seeing that kind
Speaker 1: of like, you know, what do they know and what
Speaker 1: do they don't know? And stay enough Michael Johnston, who
Speaker 1: is having a big moment right now from the movie
Speaker 1: of Session, he voices young Nathan Summers. So that's you know,
Speaker 1: kind of good timing with that. So we flash to
Speaker 1: a Apocalypse citadel and we see the mutant Ozymandias approaching
Speaker 1: his master. And in the comics, Ozamandias serves as Apocalypse
Speaker 1: for thousands of years. We do not see apocalyps though.
Speaker 1: He is in his regeneration cradle and Ozamandas informs him
Speaker 1: that they have found Nathan, who could serve as his
Speaker 1: new vessel and informs him that they could remove the
Speaker 1: need to ever regenerate again. Apoxle orders Ozamandas to take
Speaker 1: his four horsemen and capture Nathan. Now this is you
Speaker 1: know again, Apoxives is immortal to an extent. Now, we
Speaker 1: have seen in the series that Apocalypse has needed vessels
Speaker 1: to jump in from time to time, and so in
Speaker 1: the comics, this was also done, and so Apocalypse had
Speaker 1: heard about Nathan and Mother Askani. They were having trouble
Speaker 1: trying to to secure Nathan of the techno organic virus,
Speaker 1: and so because they did not, they weren't sure if
Speaker 1: they did it. They they Nathan Summers. Well, Apocalypse did
Speaker 1: kidnap Nathan Summers. However, unbeknownst to Apocalypse at the time,
Speaker 1: they captured the Clone, and so when it came time
Speaker 1: for Nathan time for that transparence, Apocalypse realized that that
Speaker 1: really was Nason Thumbers, that was the Clone. And so
Speaker 1: the Clone was later like when he was raised by Apocalypts,
Speaker 1: he became kind of cruel and and so he basically,
Speaker 1: you know, nature versus nurture, tossed him aside, and so
Speaker 1: that that came that Nathan Summers became something else at
Speaker 1: that point. And I don't want to say too much
Speaker 1: because I don't know if they're going to go down
Speaker 1: that route at all in this series, and so I
Speaker 1: don't want to like ruin something if that somehow happens, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, so.
Speaker 3: I will be interested to see. But yeah, it was
Speaker 3: I do like the fact that they brought in you
Speaker 3: know apocalypse and the vessels and that aspect of it,
Speaker 3: because we touched on that in the original X Men show.
Speaker 3: There was a whole storyline behind that as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and uh, kind of one other thing too, if
Speaker 1: you're curious about what that kind of a series that
Speaker 1: Dell's really with that head on this the story arc
Speaker 1: is the Executioners show Executioner's Song, so check that out.
Speaker 1: But back at the camp, Gene tries to train Nathan
Speaker 1: to use his inherit to tell uh, I can always
Speaker 1: have trouble to uh telepathy to in order to control
Speaker 1: his virus now cable. Nathan Summers is an Omega level mutant. However,
Speaker 1: he does not get that full status necessarily because he
Speaker 1: is using his telepathic abilities to keep the virus at
Speaker 1: bay because if he didn't he would it would kill him.
Speaker 1: So Gene, now, remember Gene, that Nathan Summers is the
Speaker 1: is the biological son of Scott and Madeline Pryor. However,
Speaker 1: with the death of Madeline Pryor and when Gene came
Speaker 1: back into play at this point, she also has all
Speaker 1: the memory of Madeline Pryor as well, so kind of.
Speaker 2: Her son kind of out her son. I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the whole memories thing with them and the
Speaker 3: crossover and her coming back and then having Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: weird and it gets convoluted at times because of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So, but they're interrupted by Morrith who comes up, comes
Speaker 1: in with baseball, says, hey, maybe Nathan will just want
Speaker 1: to play catch and have a moment. So Cyclops tells
Speaker 1: Nathan to go have fun. After these, Cyclopes and Gene
Speaker 1: debate whether the motivation of Mother Askani and Gene convinces
Speaker 1: the Cyclops to talk to her and try to get
Speaker 1: her to allow them to bring Nathan home. Well, we
Speaker 1: all know that's gonna go. Cyclops meet with Mother Askani,
Speaker 1: who's kind of interestingly hanging upside down and kind of
Speaker 1: in a fiery kind of sequence, to discuss Nathan and
Speaker 1: the prophecy. She explains that all anyone knows is that
Speaker 1: the child will rise and destroy Apocalypse's cradle, leading to
Speaker 1: his eventual death, and Cyclopes refuses this prophecy and questions
Speaker 1: Mother Askani on her true ide identity. While she shrugs
Speaker 1: it off, we know and we see in her eye,
Speaker 1: we see the phoenix force there. She has a fiery
Speaker 1: thing now. In the comics, she mother Askani is a
Speaker 1: is actually the elder version of a of a related
Speaker 1: character the Summer's family, Rachel Summers. She is the child
Speaker 1: of Cyclops and Gene in an alternative future, and she
Speaker 1: has vestiges of the Phoenix Force with her, and she
Speaker 1: doesn't have the full Phoenix force, but she has vestiges
Speaker 1: of it at that point, and so obviously we don't
Speaker 1: know what's gonna be revealed at that point, but that
Speaker 1: is who she really is. And that's kind of where
Speaker 1: they kind of they're dropping not so subtle hints when
Speaker 1: they're doing this to make sure the audience that aren't
Speaker 1: connected to the comics do understand that saying, uh, this
Speaker 1: is interesting.
Speaker 3: I like the line that she said when her and
Speaker 3: Scott were going back and forth and she's talking about
Speaker 3: the prophecy and she calls Nathan the child a spring,
Speaker 3: talking about when he was born, and then she says,
Speaker 3: your time is over. It's no longer this time of summer,
Speaker 3: and I was like, ooh, that's that is at bar
Speaker 3: right there. She just hit him with the line, just like, yes,
Speaker 3: sit down, it's about the kid now, and why did
Speaker 3: it take the apparently the show to say that Nathan's
Speaker 3: middle name is day Spring.
Speaker 2: Somehow I never knew that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and she said this boy's whole government name.
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly.
Speaker 1: So Forge and Storms sit together and discuss the idea
Speaker 1: of disturbing this timeline, and I allow the Cyclops and
Speaker 1: Gene being with Nathan and the conversation ships at the
Speaker 1: complications of their relationship that they're interrupted by Morthew says, hmm.
Speaker 2: Where where's Nathan? He never came to play baseball.
Speaker 1: Morphs has a lot of ability in this episode to
Speaker 1: just interrupt people and just coming. I think that's what
Speaker 1: all he's really used for in this episode, is either
Speaker 1: interrupting people and morphing to other compo characters.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's that. That is his his current superpower right now,
Speaker 3: because he just he pops in out the window with
Speaker 3: the baseball and then he comes back later like yeah, so, uh,
Speaker 3: the kid never came back in. They're not in a
Speaker 3: huge compound like you could see, all right, there's two
Speaker 3: rooms here, then you walk out of this little bungalow house.
Speaker 3: Someone should have notice Nathan leaving on his own, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: And also if you noticed in in the end credits
Speaker 1: when they go over each one of the characters and
Speaker 1: their power sets. At this point, Apparently this version of
Speaker 1: morph he takes on the super strength of who he's
Speaker 1: transforming into. So when he transforms into the Hulk, he
Speaker 1: has Hulks strength, you know, which was interesting, like we
Speaker 1: always get debating with more like what does he actually take.
Speaker 2: On power as wise? You know?
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he apparently takes on the full ability of
Speaker 3: their strength, which makes another character transformation that he makes
Speaker 3: in this show even more interesting.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: So, uh, Cyclops teams and Nathan so so yes, I've
Speaker 1: seen him because he's right because they yeah, he's run
Speaker 1: off with Cyclops and Gina's run off with him. So
Speaker 1: Cycles of Gene are on their own, taken away from
Speaker 1: the camp, and Jane telepathically communicates with Skyclops with questions
Speaker 1: that they should really tell Nathan and raise them on
Speaker 1: their own and what might happen if the Cable if
Speaker 1: they do that, and Nathan breaks in saying I can
Speaker 1: hear you.
Speaker 3: Which was such a hilarious moment, like you do you
Speaker 3: not realize you you know Cable, You've met Cable in
Speaker 3: the future, you know his powers and things like that,
Speaker 3: So do you not realize that this kid can hear
Speaker 3: this conversation that you're having.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so, surprise, surprise, they get ambushed by Apocalypse's robots
Speaker 1: and his four horsemen, which are very interesting. Uh these
Speaker 1: four horsemen. We've got a you know, basically a minotaur
Speaker 1: from ancient ancient Greece and Rome. We've got a a
Speaker 1: person from a woman from ancient China. We've got someone
Speaker 1: from Persia, ancient Persia, and then we've got a I'm
Speaker 1: assuming this one represents war, this drummer, drummer boy from
Speaker 1: the Civil Wars being his agent War. That was that
Speaker 1: was the weirdest symbol of forestment I have ever seen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not a version that we're used to from
Speaker 3: you know, almost any comic generation, but it was. It was.
Speaker 3: It was an interesting group. And then they have Ozy
Speaker 3: Mandias with them, who was kind of leading the pack.
Speaker 3: But yet you got this drummer guy coming out and
Speaker 3: he's banging on this drum and making these like psionic
Speaker 3: blasts towards Jean Gray, and it was it's like this,
Speaker 3: this is a very different group, yep.
Speaker 1: And so they're overpowered, they're taken prisoner. So the rest
Speaker 1: of the team searches the site where they were taken,
Speaker 1: and Mother Askani says that they were not supposed to
Speaker 1: go this way. Storm argues that this could all be
Speaker 1: a step in nathan supportant journey. They all go over
Speaker 1: the plan to rescue the Summer's family, and Morphy interrupts
Speaker 1: at different points because again he that's his other special
Speaker 1: power interrupting, and Forge tells him that they're gonna need
Speaker 1: a lot of power to catch the train, and they're
Speaker 1: gonna which on which they're gonna be held, and Mother
Speaker 1: Skani tells him that they have all the power that
Speaker 1: he needs. And Storm meets with mothers Scani in questions
Speaker 1: like where are they going to find this power? And
Speaker 1: she says, you're going to conjure that You're going to
Speaker 1: conjure a solar storm, which baffle Storm saying, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: I control the weather, and when do you know I
Speaker 1: can control like solar power? At that point, and she
Speaker 1: explains that she comes from another timeline and that makes
Speaker 1: this one look like Heaven, which I liked so in
Speaker 1: the comics, her home timeline is the dystopian future in
Speaker 1: which human's rule meetings are enslaved or killed, and she
Speaker 1: goes on to explain that that in that way and
Speaker 1: every timeline, Storm always leads the resistance. She She also
Speaker 1: says that she's the one who brought the X Men
Speaker 1: through the timeline and split the two teams, hoping that
Speaker 1: she either stops the apocalypse in the future or stops
Speaker 1: him before he even takes place. In either way, hoping
Speaker 1: for great success.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So, like, look, we're either going to fight him
Speaker 3: at the height of his power or we're gonna baby
Speaker 3: Hitler this thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, do the don't you?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Uh So on the train, Ginge tries to talk to
Speaker 1: Nathan through using his virus to break himself free, which
Speaker 1: is kind of interesting, And he got the inhibitor callers again. No, now,
Speaker 1: literally from the nineties, that is still the technology they
Speaker 1: use to inhibit. Nothing improved, nothing make it even more
Speaker 1: kind of simple. Nope, we're still using those inhibitor callers.
Speaker 3: I mean, Forge helped make a good product that you know,
Speaker 3: he he is the reason that this product does exist,
Speaker 3: and you know, they took his technology and just slightly
Speaker 3: improved it. But yeah, they're like, hey, well why improve
Speaker 3: what's already working so great?
Speaker 1: Exactly, So, when Nathan tries to quick because it's two
Speaker 1: tough Cyclops and Jane finally revealed that he is their son.
Speaker 1: With this new information, Nathan gets gets that Nathan cable
Speaker 1: super super strength and use and manages to use his
Speaker 1: virus to free them, and a pox of robots immediately attack,
Speaker 1: but Cyclops blasts through at that point, and they got
Speaker 1: the whole Summer's family having a big moment where uh,
Speaker 1: they're taking down these the the robots.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so they they have their their nice little fight scene,
Speaker 3: and Nathan has a cool moment which you know foreshadows
Speaker 3: his time as Cable when he uses telekinesis to bring
Speaker 3: over this big metal gun and then just starts firing up.
Speaker 2: I know that that was cool.
Speaker 3: Cyclots looking at them like, yeah, that's my boy.
Speaker 1: Straight out of Marble versus Capcom. Straight out of it.
Speaker 1: So meanwhile, Forge gets the team ships ready to launch,
Speaker 1: and Storm knows that they're ready there for ready for power.
Speaker 1: She summons all the soldafare blast the ship and with
Speaker 1: all the power needed, Boom takes off into a warped
Speaker 1: Factor nine goes to ludicrous speed, and so on the train.
Speaker 1: The Summers continue to fight the robots and now the
Speaker 1: Horsemen and Ozamandias are there. In true X Men dramatic fashion,
Speaker 1: the rest of the team shows up just in time
Speaker 1: to join the fight. Storm freezes their enemies with the
Speaker 1: Arctic wind, and Morph transforms into who.
Speaker 2: Thor thor the Old and Sun?
Speaker 3: And was she again? Basic question like how how much
Speaker 3: of it? Could you see him? Will this hammer in
Speaker 3: his transformation? Like how much of this power? Like does
Speaker 3: he have? Like can you the lightning? At this point?
Speaker 3: Like I have questions?
Speaker 1: But then Mother Askani eventually crashes the train into the
Speaker 1: Apocalypse of Citadel in an attempt to fulfill the process
Speaker 1: to see Ozymandias reaches Apocalypse and tells him about the
Speaker 1: arrival of the X Men, enrage. Apocalypse says he has
Speaker 1: to attack them where they are most vulnerable in the
Speaker 1: nineteen nineties.
Speaker 2: It's so cheesy, so cheesy, So good though, so good.
Speaker 1: So he takes off in his cradle, leaving Ozamandias in
Speaker 1: the settle behind to go dust in the wind, and
Speaker 1: presumably he arrives into No Show where he saw the
Speaker 1: post credits scene from season one. We don't see that,
Speaker 1: but wants to assume, and the team climbs out of
Speaker 1: the wreckage, and the training sees all the slaves that
Speaker 1: Apocalypse emerged from the shadows of the citadel. Nathan uses
Speaker 1: newly mastered telecanatic abilities to move the crash strain, opening
Speaker 1: a pathway to lead to the citadel. Inside, Nathan uses
Speaker 1: Apocalypse's own technology to forge his more familiar metal arm
Speaker 1: after a disassembled voice welcomes him. Suddenly, we jump to
Speaker 1: a much older Nathan flexing the same arm. He is
Speaker 1: now a weathered mutanz knows Cable and he speaks about
Speaker 1: the struggles to kill Apocalypse. We see he is speaking
Speaker 1: to two means Archange Silock, and he says it's now
Speaker 1: up to them, and Siloc says that he has tracked
Speaker 1: down his last horseman and the archangel asked what's their
Speaker 1: next move will be in Cable says it's time to
Speaker 1: recruit and he as he hands over the file on Jubi,
Speaker 1: Lee and sun Spot. Yeah, so y, yeah, one thing
Speaker 1: I forgot that I was saying they had to get
Speaker 1: out of there too in the future that he they
Speaker 1: they send them, They send him forward and Syclops has
Speaker 1: to abandon his kid again. You praise him as he
Speaker 1: praised him as a good dad and then he just
Speaker 1: leaves his son there.
Speaker 3: He didn't have a choice of second one. He wanted
Speaker 3: to stay there, wanted to be with his boy. He
Speaker 3: wanted to be there for his child.
Speaker 2: Did he now, did he?
Speaker 3: He's like, look, I I'm I'm sorry for everything that
Speaker 3: happened with me, and you're I'm gonna say mom's plural,
Speaker 3: but I'm trying to be there for you now.
Speaker 2: But he's not there, is he? He's not there. He's
Speaker 2: abandoned his child again, just like an comics. All right,
Speaker 2: Well that is the.
Speaker 1: Anything more we want to say on episode one, The
Speaker 1: Days of Past Future.
Speaker 3: No, it was. It was a good first episode to
Speaker 3: get them back on track. A lot of action in
Speaker 3: the fight scenes are fun and so very well animated.
Speaker 3: I'm love this the animation that they're doing with the
Speaker 3: power sets and everything like that. So it's it was
Speaker 3: a good deep dive, like right back into the series
Speaker 3: with a lot of little small easter eggs. And I said,
Speaker 3: these first three episodes are filled with a lot of
Speaker 3: small easter eggs, but I'm I'm really excited going forward.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think the best the best thing for
Speaker 1: it was to look at the future one.
Speaker 2: I think it.
Speaker 1: People always have a lot more of a affinity for
Speaker 1: episodes to happen in the future, especially with the X Men's
Speaker 1: history of going in and out of the future. So,
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Speaker 1: Episode two a force to be Reckoned with. So we
Speaker 1: left off with cable archangel in Silock. Yeah, we're not
Speaker 1: gonna get into the history of Silock at this point
Speaker 1: because I don't know which version of silok it is.
Speaker 2: We're just going to go with the non confusing form.
Speaker 1: This is Betsy Braddock, not the quant on history that
Speaker 1: that was, because that gets timey wine wildly and that's
Speaker 1: all kind of insanity.
Speaker 2: At this point, we're not gonna go into that. So
Speaker 2: we're gonna do Betsy Braddock Silock in this form.
Speaker 1: So we are opening with a group of mutant kids
Speaker 1: being chased. As soon as we see another mutant is
Speaker 1: chasing them. Uh, the man replicates himself all altering that,
Speaker 1: alerting us that the different versions of us. That is
Speaker 1: Jamie Maddrix, multiple men who if you want to see
Speaker 1: multiple men in the non Joki phase and really have
Speaker 1: amazing character develpment read Peter David run on X Factor.
Speaker 1: He does amazing stuff with that character and that brings
Speaker 1: way more depth of the character than anyone has ever
Speaker 1: had before him. So another mutant, and that is that
Speaker 1: the kids are running to the X Mansion to find
Speaker 1: it in utter ruin. Imagine that the X Men mansion
Speaker 1: in ruin. It has, you know, just got to be
Speaker 1: like every other every other movie right as Deadpool says
Speaker 1: that they got to build a new one, and they
Speaker 1: argue what to do. Next, we see that two of
Speaker 1: the notable members of this group are known in the comics.
Speaker 1: We got kid Omega is the pink haired young one,
Speaker 1: and then we got Penance in her non non kind
Speaker 1: of monster like for him. And they argument is interrupted
Speaker 1: not by morph this time, but as a light shining
Speaker 1: down with a boice saying that assumes assures then that
Speaker 1: they are the good guys, and we see this team
Speaker 1: come down. They are X Factor. They are the government
Speaker 1: sponsored mutant led team that are apparently taking mutants in
Speaker 1: and keeping them safe when it kind of looks like
Speaker 1: they're capturing them and imprisoning them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems more they're putting the inhibitor callers on them.
Speaker 3: It does seem more of an imprisoning And yet we
Speaker 3: get first look at Havoc, Polaris Shining and all her
Speaker 3: green glory, strong Guy, Wolf Spaine, and multiple Men, and
Speaker 3: I mean they have this it does give off the
Speaker 3: tone of, you know, for anyone who has like the
Speaker 3: John Walker version of Captain America, like hey, I'm I'm
Speaker 3: here for you know, on behalf of the government and
Speaker 3: all this other stuff. And yeah, it's they They're definitely
Speaker 3: government agents and not the good guys that they profess
Speaker 3: themselves to be.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So the team of this X Factor has gone through
Speaker 1: different iterations over the time, but this is the kind
Speaker 1: of what we look at as the mostly mostly original
Speaker 1: team as in the comics. Havoc, who is Scott Sommer's brother,
Speaker 1: Alex Summers, Polaris, strong Guy, Wolf Spain, and the aforementioned
Speaker 1: Multiple Man. Two of the characters are actually a very
Speaker 1: strong ties the X Men havoc as I said, being
Speaker 1: the brother of cyclast Polaris being the daughter of Magneto.
Speaker 1: News report reveals that X Factor has been contract videos
Speaker 1: government to control crisis and handle mutant issues. We see
Speaker 1: that Jubilee is watching the report at an arcade. There
Speaker 1: is also a fun easter egg in this moment that
Speaker 1: we see the menu in jubilees right. One of the
Speaker 1: items particularly viewable reads the mall Babes Babes ch And
Speaker 1: we'll go ahead and assume that the menu item that
Speaker 1: finishes with chili fries, which would also be reference to
Speaker 1: Jubilee's classic line from the originally administries, does the.
Speaker 2: Mall babe eat chili fries? So that's a nod to that.
Speaker 3: A lot of fun and callbacks throughout this.
Speaker 2: Show, yep, exactly.
Speaker 1: So Sunspot returns after playing some video games and the
Speaker 1: two debate whether they're not good wasting their time in
Speaker 1: the arcade while the world is going into casts without
Speaker 1: the X Men, And they're interrupted by Cable because he's
Speaker 1: sitting at the table drinking drinking them soda in a
Speaker 1: ball cap, because remember where a ball cap in Marvel Universe.
Speaker 1: Nobody knows who the heck you are.
Speaker 3: Not the black on the eye or the other glowing eye,
Speaker 3: none of that out of that. Yep, I put on
Speaker 3: a ball cap. You don't know it's me.
Speaker 1: He explains that his target is Apocalypse and that one
Speaker 1: of his horsemen has recently resurfaced. The horsemen in question
Speaker 1: is called War, and yes, Apocalypse does have four horsemen
Speaker 1: by the names of Pestilence, War, Famine, and Death. He
Speaker 1: transforms Mute into using his futuristic tech to take on these.
Speaker 2: Roles and act as a slave.
Speaker 1: Remember one of the members of Cable's team, Archangel, He
Speaker 1: was one of the Apocalypses horsemen and his that was
Speaker 1: his horseman of Death. Cable plays on jubileeze guilt towards
Speaker 1: sitting out and to fight, and convinces her to join.
Speaker 1: But before she agrees to do so, she asked if
Speaker 1: the team has a name and we get an iconic
Speaker 1: title sequence, it is not the X Men ninety seven secrets.
Speaker 2: We get a we get the.
Speaker 1: X Men titles, not the X mentitle. It reads X
Speaker 1: Force ninety seven. We see Cable, Jubilee, Sunspots, Silok, and
Speaker 1: Archangel are introduced in the title sequence. New images knew
Speaker 1: even a new like much more heavier on the electric
Speaker 1: guitar riff. Oh my gosh, I think Travis said did
Speaker 1: it best in his review on geek First the other
Speaker 1: the other night.
Speaker 2: Literally, that's all I can think. Chills, absolute chills. That
Speaker 2: was like grinning ear to ear. It is so cool.
Speaker 2: Give me an X Force show. This was so cool.
Speaker 1: I'm glad they leaned it instead of just doing the
Speaker 1: X Men ninety seven thing. They went, this is what
Speaker 1: I like about when shows do this is it's like,
Speaker 1: you know what, let's have a little bit of fun.
Speaker 2: Let's do it. It worked. It works so well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it a cool opening light. They didn't just
Speaker 3: switch the title light. They went all in on everything,
Speaker 3: reanimating the scene with Cable and Apocalypse from the original
Speaker 3: X Men show, like everyone got their own set entrances
Speaker 3: and moments, and they recreated the running scene. They recreated
Speaker 3: the mutants going and hitting up on getting caught on
Speaker 3: the cage with the runaways there. They had X Force
Speaker 3: as the opposing team instead of Magnetos scene like, everything
Speaker 3: was just ye. It was. It was a cool little
Speaker 3: They redid the entire thing so it was more than
Speaker 3: just where you switched the title card. They they switched
Speaker 3: that entire thing and it was awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was really cool.
Speaker 1: So so we get to X Force tracking War to
Speaker 1: Brazil where they chased him to an alley, and Sunspot,
Speaker 1: being familiar with the location, manages to track him down
Speaker 1: first and he and Jubilee get the drop on him. Eventually,
Speaker 1: the whole team overwhelms him and Silok knocks him out
Speaker 1: with her psychic psionic abilities. With War tied up, Cable
Speaker 1: questions him, and the Horseman remains loyal to Apocalypse though,
Speaker 1: even though taunting Archangel, who, as we said it was
Speaker 1: a former Horseman himself. Archangel knocks him out and Slok
Speaker 1: begins to read his mind, and Jubilee starts questioning like
Speaker 1: should they be doing that without their permission? And Cable
Speaker 1: tells her that they won't be following the same rules
Speaker 1: the ass they remember their ex Force. They're black Ops
Speaker 1: and Silaxi's War delivering something the Apocalypse before it's blocked
Speaker 1: out and by a wall of diamonds, and Cable hands
Speaker 1: his gun to Archangel and orders him to kill War.
Speaker 1: Jubilee protests this, but Ourchagel pulls the trigger, killing War.
Speaker 2: I was impressed with that.
Speaker 1: I was wondering if that was actually gonna happen. And
Speaker 1: they did very you know, killing someone tastefully. It's kind
Speaker 1: of a weird thing to say, but one I'm kind
Speaker 1: of little. You know, you are a horseman of the
Speaker 1: Apocalypse war. I didn't see much of his abilities really
Speaker 1: kind of shine out too much. His hand to hand
Speaker 1: commet was very suspect, and they took him down rather quickly.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that that X Force couldn't do that,
Speaker 1: but this is supposed to be a horseman of the pocket.
Speaker 1: It shouldn't have been easy to take him down. It
Speaker 1: seemed a little too you know, we got to move
Speaker 1: the plot along, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was that they had him there to just
Speaker 3: advance and give the information on what's going on with Apocalypse,
Speaker 3: plus give a little foreshadow with him helping carrying the
Speaker 3: coffin two Apocalypse. And then after that, yeah, he had
Speaker 3: his execution moment and you know, they did an off
Speaker 3: camera execution, but you know what happened, and the look
Speaker 3: on Jubilee's face like, oh, we we're that type of team.
Speaker 1: And even going back to how they captured him too,
Speaker 1: Jubilee got moves like she's taken to.
Speaker 2: Cable's training of a soldier. She's changed.
Speaker 1: She's kind of like, you know, she's still got her
Speaker 1: iconic gold gold you know, trench code at that point,
Speaker 1: but her but what she's wearing underneath is you know,
Speaker 1: all dark, a little bit of pink outlines at that point.
Speaker 1: But I like that, especially we see it at the
Speaker 1: end of this episode, like she holds her own. It's
Speaker 1: not like she is very much a good fighter and
Speaker 1: no longer like just seems to be the useless teenager
Speaker 1: and using her powers to be effective, not necessarily deadly,
Speaker 1: but to be effective with it. I was very impressed
Speaker 1: with the action sequence, but particularly what she showed it,
Speaker 1: not just here, but at the end of the episode.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and if you look closely in the title sequence,
Speaker 3: the new one that they hit, they show her blindfolded
Speaker 3: training with psiloc and as one of the scenes that
Speaker 3: is in that title sequence, so like she she's been
Speaker 3: put through the training. He didn't grab two randoms and
Speaker 3: you know thim on the team. They actually got the
Speaker 3: training and became soldiers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'll tell you what I do like sun
Speaker 1: Spots like new updated kind of look at his abilities.
Speaker 1: That may not care from Roberto as a character, but
Speaker 1: I do like his power, saying when he gets to
Speaker 1: throw off his mute and abilities. But on their jet,
Speaker 1: Jubilee argues with Cable over the killing of an unarmed mutant.
Speaker 1: She tells him that if he wants her to continue helping,
Speaker 1: she wants to limit limit the killing.
Speaker 2: Doesn't they stop it?
Speaker 3: But yeah? Cable question, turn it down a bit?
Speaker 1: Yeah, take it down like you get two kills a day.
Speaker 1: Cable questions what she has to offer, and Jubilee points
Speaker 1: out that a psychic wall was made of diamonds and
Speaker 1: reminds her of a specific telepath who they met in
Speaker 1: Genosha and the team has that is Emma Frost, the
Speaker 1: White Queen and so in London next for surprises Emma
Speaker 1: in her home. They questioned her on her dealings with
Speaker 1: war and she says she's helped him to smuggle cargo
Speaker 1: to Switzerland. They had a warehouse with Emma and Tow
Speaker 1: and Soil. There they find the equipment like what Apocalypse
Speaker 1: uses to transform mutants into the horsemen, but Archangel points
Speaker 1: out that the equipment is more advanced than what they
Speaker 1: used on him. Jubilee finds empty crates and points out
Speaker 1: that if Apocalypse was there, he had finished whatever they
Speaker 1: had worked on and left. And the team then gets
Speaker 1: ambushed by none other than X Factor, and it's clear
Speaker 1: that Emma set them up.
Speaker 2: Because she's like, hey, I got bills to pay too, so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, So the two mutant teams begin to
Speaker 1: fight until Polaris restrains all of X Force. Gibilee tries
Speaker 1: the reason where they're saying that, hey, you're an X men,
Speaker 1: how are you aligned with a government agency that seems
Speaker 1: that they can barely tolerate you? And Jubilee manages to
Speaker 1: free the team and they all almost escape, but she
Speaker 1: is caught by Havoc. Some Spot tries to go back
Speaker 1: for but Silock puts him to sleep and they leave
Speaker 1: Jubilee behind. So not surprised they did that, goes again
Speaker 1: and cable through the needs of many outweags that needs
Speaker 1: a few. It's not like he doesn't care about you blee.
Speaker 1: But it's better to escape and kind of circle back
Speaker 1: and figure out how they can get you bleed than
Speaker 1: to everyone be captured.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Now, and this is another thing like with this scene.
Speaker 3: So they are sneaking to meet up and they're like
Speaker 3: all dressed down in these fancy clothes because they're popping
Speaker 3: in on Emma Frost's party. I have to believe that
Speaker 3: there is some sort of technology or at least good
Speaker 3: enough makeup that Cable could have covered the black stuff
Speaker 3: around his eye to make him look less like Cable.
Speaker 3: You've got this big guy who is I'm guessing is
Speaker 3: somewhere around like six three to six five two point
Speaker 3: forty of just stacked muscle and then the silver hair
Speaker 3: and the mark on the eye, like he's pretty recognizable.
Speaker 3: You're not sneaking around anywhere baseball cap, no baseball cap,
Speaker 3: putting on a suit rather than your battle outfit whatever else,
Speaker 3: Like you are still Cable and you are doing nothing
Speaker 3: to hide this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's yeah, you don't hide at that one. Especially
Speaker 1: he's not like he's not like peak nineties bulky Cable
Speaker 1: at that point where he's muscle on muscle like life
Speaker 1: Field style.
Speaker 2: But you know, he is a big guy.
Speaker 1: So what appears to be a hellicare hellicareer on loan
Speaker 1: from shield Over, DC, Polaris and Havoc and Terrogate.
Speaker 2: You believe, and I love it when she does. She
Speaker 2: refers to Havoc as knockoff Cyclops, and.
Speaker 3: That's the first real acknowledgment that we get that you
Speaker 3: know there there's a connection between them, because it's never
Speaker 3: truly referenced. Hey, this is Alex Summers. This is his brother.
Speaker 3: So the knockoff Cyclops line is is a little bit funny.
Speaker 2: It is good.
Speaker 1: The only other thing we have some acknowledgment is when
Speaker 1: they in the episode during the original series, or Havoc
Speaker 1: is introduced and the X Factor team is introduced in
Speaker 1: the original series, when Cyclops and Alex user powers against
Speaker 1: each other, they don't work. That's the other kind of hint,
Speaker 1: because that's also true in the comics. They their powers
Speaker 1: don't work on each other. Polaris acts asks him to
Speaker 1: get some time, and he leaves the two alone. She
Speaker 1: tries to reason with Jubilee to get information about Cable's mission,
Speaker 1: but she resists. Havoc also returns to take Jubilee to
Speaker 1: sell filled with dozens of other mutant children. Lots of
Speaker 1: character references there here. We get we see some noble
Speaker 1: mutant sets as step Bird Cuckoos are there. We also
Speaker 1: get Glob there too, Lovable Glob and sun Spot is
Speaker 1: arguing with Cable about going back to help Jubilee, but
Speaker 1: the leader of the exports team refuses. Back in the
Speaker 1: hell career, though, Polaris cuts the security camera and goes
Speaker 1: to Jubilee and sets her free. She said, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: give you five minutes. What you do in those five
Speaker 1: minutes is up to you. And let's just say Jubilee
Speaker 1: takes those five minutes and runs with it. She is
Speaker 1: she's you know. Guard starts warming her. She puts on
Speaker 1: her walkman, and here's a good I like this was
Speaker 1: actually a pretty good needle drop with with this one.
Speaker 1: It fit her character, it fit the scene, and this
Speaker 1: is what it shows, really showcases the song being Volcano
Speaker 1: Girls by Ruka salt Rados x Fource tells him that
Speaker 1: she's escaped and she needs them to come back and
Speaker 1: pick her up, but she tears through the guard so easily,
Speaker 1: just showcasing the powers. She says, hey, I'm not alone,
Speaker 1: We're gonna be paid for gets them to pick up
Speaker 1: the children too, and as she tries to escape up
Speaker 1: parachuting off the roof, Havoc blasts the shoot out of
Speaker 1: her hand before she could jump, and she basically and
Speaker 1: that's when we see Val Cooper, who we saw on
Speaker 1: the TV before, and she's the leader of X Factor,
Speaker 1: trying to have her come back in and as to
Speaker 1: fine as she Jubilee continues to be, she says, uh
Speaker 1: and I think basically doesn't she flip her off.
Speaker 3: To yeah and yeah, I like this is true, and
Speaker 3: Jubilee still being herself, like she's got the military training
Speaker 3: down from Cable and Silac, but she pops out skates
Speaker 3: in her shoes as she's helping these kids escape and
Speaker 3: all this other stuff. She is just having fun and
Speaker 3: she does like a cool move where she circles and
Speaker 3: does like little jet set radio type skating around the
Speaker 3: room and hitting people with her powers and stuff like that,
Speaker 3: only to be clotheslined by some random.
Speaker 1: The Yeah, but then Polaris asked how Jubilie escaped, and
Speaker 1: I think I think both Ball and Havoc have an
Speaker 1: idea that Polaris was responsible for that because she agrees
Speaker 1: she doesn't like what X Factor is necessarily doing and
Speaker 1: feels her allegiances. If push comes to shove, she'll stay
Speaker 1: with the X men. So experts watches a report that
Speaker 1: Val calls them national fugitives. Jubilee argues that what they
Speaker 1: did needed to be done. Arkintel sides with her, but
Speaker 1: tells Cable that apocalypse is still out there and fight
Speaker 1: isn't for a bunch of kids. Cable flashes back to
Speaker 1: the future when he had to make the decision to
Speaker 1: send his parents and the rest of the X Men away.
Speaker 1: He thinks he's made that decision man Cyclops did. We're
Speaker 1: just gonna go back to Thyclops influenced his say I
Speaker 1: gotta go back. I don't need you here anymore. I
Speaker 1: got what I needed at This is the best kind
Speaker 1: of parent raising I get to see every so often,
Speaker 1: and then by the time I see you again, you're
Speaker 1: an adult and I've done a great job as father
Speaker 1: of the Year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know. So, I'm thinking back to this scene
Speaker 3: and this is this is one thing that bothered me.
Speaker 3: And it's a little nitpicky about this, but where did
Speaker 3: Gene and Cyclops get new uniforms from? Because when they
Speaker 3: were transported, Cyclops was in his traditional blue with the
Speaker 3: stripeover and Jane was in her Marvel girl out that
Speaker 3: now they've got cool new uniforms, Like who in the
Speaker 3: future was like, hey, we've got these ready and waiting
Speaker 3: for you. Because now he's wearing a blue one with
Speaker 3: an X on it.
Speaker 2: That's and that's and that's his uniform.
Speaker 1: When the first iteration of X factor not government sponsored,
Speaker 1: but when Scott and Gene redo their own X Men
Speaker 1: team and call it X Factor, that's his costume.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And Gene goes from just her little green skirt
Speaker 3: to like a full outfit and everything. I'm like, who
Speaker 3: provided you all with this?
Speaker 1: You know, in the future you can just manifestuff because
Speaker 1: like alien costumes.
Speaker 3: Too, you know. Yeah, but.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so Cable realized, Nathan realizes that they gotta
Speaker 1: he's got to send him back, and you know, during
Speaker 1: that moment, we see the disembodied voice that welcomed him
Speaker 1: to Apocalypse. Citel has become the field computer represented by
Speaker 1: the Small Cube, and after reluctantly sends his parents away,
Speaker 1: we come back to the present where Cable appears ready
Speaker 1: for a fight. So great surprise. This was a great episode.
Speaker 1: I think this is my favorite of the all the three.
Speaker 1: An X first episode was certainly not something I expected,
Speaker 1: but it made for some great action allowed Jubilee to
Speaker 1: really This was a great spotlight episode for not only
Speaker 1: the expector for Jubilee much better than the spotlight episode
Speaker 1: she got last season. Yeah, no Mojo Verse, no, please know,
Speaker 1: I can't stand Mojo. He ranks up there with the Arcade.
Speaker 1: I cannot stand either one of those characters at all.
Speaker 1: The video game alone cemented my hatred of Arcade Arcades Revenge,
Speaker 1: Oh god, what a that is a game I do
Speaker 1: not play at all, you know, So it'll be interesting
Speaker 1: to see where, you know, I know we're going to
Speaker 1: see X Force again. This season is not just a
Speaker 1: one off. They're all we've seen kind of like the
Speaker 1: hero shot and one of the trailers. But I would
Speaker 1: love to see more of X Force. I would love
Speaker 1: to see, you know, we get x Y day seven.
Speaker 1: I know everyone like sees the team, but I would
Speaker 1: love to see maybe little mini series of just X Force,
Speaker 1: X Factor, you know, just the comics have it. Let's
Speaker 1: just focus a couple of these and just I don't
Speaker 1: we don't need a whole, like a whole new series started,
Speaker 1: but I would love maybe a couple of like two
Speaker 1: or three episode just like, give me an arc you
Speaker 1: know of just X Factor, Give me an arc of
Speaker 1: X Force, just to kind of see something different. It
Speaker 1: kind of changes things up. Yeah, definitely, but but all right,
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Speaker 1: And we're back, all right, The Rise of Apocalypse Part one, David,
Speaker 1: Why don't you just start off talking about this one?
Speaker 3: All right? So we we're back with the Forged team
Speaker 3: at this point, and this it starts out with the
Speaker 3: team from the future the going to the expansion find
Speaker 3: out that the team from the past is still gone.
Speaker 3: Psyclops says that they should go find them, but Forge
Speaker 3: argues that they don't know where they are and in
Speaker 3: the past is whether they're at you know, three thousand
Speaker 3: BC to be exact, And we get our first looks
Speaker 3: at the young Uh in Sabonnor who is going to
Speaker 3: go on to be Apocalypse. So Uh. In the past,
Speaker 3: we see Magneto attempting to manipulate in Saboneur, long before
Speaker 3: he would ever become Apocalypse. He tells him that he
Speaker 3: could be a god among insects. Uh Before we see
Speaker 3: in Saemonor leading a group into battle. Interesting though, the
Speaker 3: pharaoh in Samonor poses appears to be using futuristic technology.
Speaker 3: There's a dome over the city, Like this isn't your
Speaker 3: typical eg that you remember from biblical tells in various
Speaker 3: movies and things like that. This is definitely you know something,
Speaker 3: something is added to this.
Speaker 1: And that and that of pharaoh is Rama Tut. Yes,
Speaker 1: who's one of the many names used by a certain
Speaker 1: character that has had some troublesome history live action. But
Speaker 1: this is a alias of Kang the Conqueror.
Speaker 3: Yep. So, I mean they they did tell Marvel did
Speaker 3: say King will return, They just didn't.
Speaker 1: And we did have confirmation today that they did use
Speaker 1: instrumental sequences from Loki when King was featured.
Speaker 2: In this episode.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: So, I'm gonna step away for a minute to get
Speaker 1: a drink, So continue on.
Speaker 3: GOA. So we see the Furrow receive word that in
Speaker 3: Savineur is leading the Sandstormers against him. He appears to
Speaker 3: be unsurprised and orders his general Logos to redirect his
Speaker 3: forces towards the coming fights. Logo speaks towards a group
Speaker 3: of slaves who are being controlled by an army of robots. Again,
Speaker 3: we've got some futuristic aspects to this. In his speech,
Speaker 3: Logos names the pharaoh, calling him Rama Tut. This explains
Speaker 3: the futuristic technology that Rama Tut has, because again King
Speaker 3: using that future technology, crossing through various timelines, he would
Speaker 3: have access to that. So in the comics, King went
Speaker 3: to ancient Egypt in search of in Sabonor because he
Speaker 3: knew that one day he would become the most powerful
Speaker 3: being on earth and hope.
Speaker 2: He could control that power.
Speaker 3: So in Sabonor and his army stop just outside the
Speaker 3: walls of the city. They plan to attack, and he
Speaker 3: talks briefly with Ball, a man he counts as family.
Speaker 3: This is like his right hand man. At the same time, Magneto,
Speaker 3: in an astral projection of Charles, watched the impending battle
Speaker 3: from a nearby cliff. As Magneto explains that he intends
Speaker 3: to use the pharaohs technology to get them home, but
Speaker 3: Charles protests his use of apocalypse to do so. They
Speaker 3: again as always they're at odds. Magneto's thinking, hey, this
Speaker 3: is an opportunity to get us home. We can use
Speaker 3: these people to our advantage. We can get Apocalypse on
Speaker 3: our side, while Charles is very much like, we shouldn't
Speaker 3: be using someone we should you know, involve him in that,
Speaker 3: and they're just having their little astral plane back and forth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, even with that, I it was.
Speaker 1: Kind of interesting seeing Charles pushback on Eric doing trying
Speaker 1: to make trying to turn Apocalypse to their side.
Speaker 2: One huge task.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, if anyone's gonna try to do it,
Speaker 1: why not Magneto, who kind of dabbles in and good
Speaker 1: guy bad guy, good guy bad guy antagonists, maybe not antagonists,
Speaker 1: but it's it's kind of interesting to me saying Charles
Speaker 1: is actually kind of making sense with his warning that
Speaker 1: we don't know the effects. I'm not saying keeping up
Speaker 1: Pocket was a bad guy is a good thing, but
Speaker 1: we also don't know the danger of if we do
Speaker 1: turn him, the history is gonna fight back about something,
Speaker 1: so what could be created worse? So it's not a
Speaker 1: bad theory that Charles trying to push back a little
Speaker 1: bit on what Eric's doing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so Eric is at the battle, Charles is
Speaker 3: looking over in the astral plane form. And then at
Speaker 3: this point and Savignor launches his attack and his army
Speaker 3: is quickly swarmed by these robots. He's trapped under hundreds
Speaker 3: of them, and it gets to the city or close
Speaker 3: to the delight of Logos. Seconds later though, Emmon sort
Speaker 3: he breaks through the wall and begins just decimating their robots.
Speaker 3: I mean, my man is like I like to say,
Speaker 3: he is throwing.
Speaker 2: Hands, throwing hands.
Speaker 3: There we go, so we get this is a cool
Speaker 3: like fight scene with insidon nerd. Just the way that
Speaker 3: he's breaking through, the way that he's fighting back against
Speaker 3: these robots. They throw these like electric leashes at him
Speaker 3: and grab on to him, and he's just tossing them
Speaker 3: left and right through the scaffolding like he is definitely
Speaker 3: holding his own.
Speaker 1: And a couple of things I wanted to point out,
Speaker 1: like the voice actors that they guess voice actors of
Speaker 1: this Gates McFadden, uh, doctor Beverley Crusher from Star Trek
Speaker 1: voices mother Askani. We've got Michael Dorn voicing I believe
Speaker 1: it's Bond the the thorn in, you know, the one
Speaker 1: who ends up like kind of ruining Magneto's plans, his
Speaker 1: apocalypse right hand man, and then I want to make
Speaker 1: sure I get this right. John Delancey plays Rama tut
Speaker 1: because I was like, I was hearing the I was
Speaker 1: hearing particularly the wic why does that voice comes there?
Speaker 1: I picked up Michael Dorn's very He's got a you know,
Speaker 1: war from Star Trek, very distinctive voice, Michael Dorn, but
Speaker 1: Johnna John Delancey was like, why have I heard this thing?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: So he was playing Rama tut.
Speaker 3: So somewhere we're at here all right. So, like I said,
Speaker 3: the battle is going on and in Samnor is just
Speaker 3: displaying his strength. Magneto's floating above watching all of this.
Speaker 2: Like this overlord.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's floating in the sky arms cross just like good,
Speaker 3: embrace this good.
Speaker 1: It's almost like it's interesting that Apac is looking to
Speaker 1: Magneto for approval, like for what he's doing, especially at
Speaker 1: that moment where he has the ability to kill someone,
Speaker 1: is not like he makes that decision not to kill. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it was althoing like that foreshadowing moment where it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: we know there's going to come to a moment where
Speaker 1: he is going to kill and it's gonna be game
Speaker 1: over at that point, but it's just it was interesting
Speaker 1: at that when when that happened.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so he said, and Samoner he approaches the fallen
Speaker 3: general Ball tells him to take his head, and Savineur
Speaker 3: looks up at Magneto, who's by like, yes, do it.
Speaker 3: And at that point, instead of taking his head, and
Speaker 3: Savignor just you know, gives him this huge curb stomp
Speaker 3: and lets him live, spares his life instead, to the
Speaker 3: surprise of everyone, Magneto sends a message to Charles and
Speaker 3: says to send the team to recover the robots so
Speaker 3: that they can salvage the technology from that m h.
Speaker 1: And so because they're try trying to get back, they're
Speaker 1: trying to get back where David, where are they trying
Speaker 1: to get back?
Speaker 3: They're trying to get back to the future.
Speaker 2: No, they're trying to get back to the nineties. Come on, because.
Speaker 3: You know the again, the most pivotal point in all
Speaker 3: of human history is the nineteen nineties.
Speaker 2: God, I love it. Anyways, continue right, So.
Speaker 3: Nightcrawler returns to a makeshift lab with bags full of
Speaker 3: robot parts. Beast and Rogue are there and they're working
Speaker 3: on a machine to get them home, and Beast fires
Speaker 3: it up after.
Speaker 1: A moment, though, well, let's falls at that one with
Speaker 1: like when the light Crawler brings back things, was it
Speaker 1: is it Charles or Beast that says was he seen
Speaker 1: night Crawlers response saying I wasn't. But when you have
Speaker 1: robots and all these other things that are from the
Speaker 1: future that no one else is questioning, I'm pretty confident
Speaker 1: that a a demon is the least of their their warriors.
Speaker 1: At that point, I was like, God, that's good writing.
Speaker 1: That is that is exactly my snarky response back to
Speaker 1: them too, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's just funny, like everything that is going on.
Speaker 3: This team just seems like the most rag tag group
Speaker 3: of people. And yes, uh, the professor is the one
Speaker 3: who asks him, and he's like, yeah, nut, a soul
Speaker 3: saw me. Although in an ancient Egypt of murderous robots,
Speaker 3: I would imagine a demon lurking among them would hardly
Speaker 3: come as a surprise.
Speaker 2: Yeah it was. It was a good line. So so.
Speaker 3: At that point I said, they are they're trying to
Speaker 3: get the machines working and it keeps failing. Be says
Speaker 3: that they need more power Xavier says Magneto's plan is
Speaker 3: to get information from Logos on how to adapt the
Speaker 3: Pharaohs technology. They just have to trust in seven not
Speaker 3: to kill him. So we get back to Magneto. He's
Speaker 3: riding with in Sevener and his remaining army warns Magneto
Speaker 3: that Bald does not trust him, which, again, it's Magneto,
Speaker 3: you probably shouldn't, so the guy's got good instincts there.
Speaker 3: When Magneto returns to the team, they argue over how
Speaker 3: to get information out of Logos. Ner interrupts their debate
Speaker 3: and is overjoyed to be amongst other mutants after having
Speaker 3: spent his whole life being the only one. Ball Interer's
Speaker 3: next embrace Ner for not continuing his attack on the Pharaoh.
Speaker 3: Magneto argues that they would have been killed, and Ner
Speaker 3: stops argument and says Magneto mentioned a destiny for him,
Speaker 3: which grabs Xavier's attention. So obviously they've been Magneto has
Speaker 3: been having some conversations with Insabnrd that Charles like, wait
Speaker 3: a minute, I thought we agreed on one thing, and
Speaker 3: it looks like you're pulling him into a different direction.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the you know, the game they're playing. You know,
Speaker 1: you always have one up on.
Speaker 3: Charles yep So Baal tells ner that he's giving him
Speaker 3: one day before he kills Logos himself. At this point,
Speaker 3: Xavier's question in Magneto about this destiny that he sees
Speaker 3: for Ner. Magneto explains that his plan is to get
Speaker 3: Nerd to launch Exavier's dream of peace between humans and
Speaker 3: mutants thousands of years before he ever could. With the
Speaker 3: mutant as powerful as Nerd championing that dream from the beginning,
Speaker 3: it would have to work, which I don't know. The
Speaker 3: three thousand years of other history, says wise, but we'll see.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you got Nerve questioning Logos but doesn't get
Speaker 1: the answers he's looking for. Logos goats him into killing him,
Speaker 1: but Magneto stops him. Ner leaves Magneto and Xavier and
Speaker 1: with Logos and tells him that the Pharaoh is looking
Speaker 1: for a temple with cosmic power. Zaber looks into Logos's
Speaker 1: mind for more information on this temple, but he is
Speaker 1: greeted with a voice that tells him the end is coming.
Speaker 1: The voice calls him to be him to the Sphynx
Speaker 1: and in the comics, this is actually Kang's ship. The
Speaker 1: ship later becomes Apocalypses after he confronts Kang and chases
Speaker 1: him away. The X Men make their way back to
Speaker 1: the lab, as Xavier explains that Logos only knows pieces
Speaker 1: about the mystery temple. When they reach the lab, though,
Speaker 1: when is there ambushed by the Stanstrmers and Ball, who
Speaker 1: found their work on the time machine and showed it
Speaker 1: to Nerve, causing him to lose his trust in Magnetos saying, oh,
Speaker 1: you're trying to betray me. You're trying to do this,
Speaker 1: and he beheads Logos and Magnio's realizes that he's he's
Speaker 1: screwed over. They're about to kill everyone, and then out
Speaker 1: of the minions, Bishop reveals himself and takes down everyone.
Speaker 2: They are able to.
Speaker 1: Get the one up on Ner and Ball, but we
Speaker 1: see one of Lagos' eyes is blinking and sending a
Speaker 1: signal to Rama Tut. Bishop blasts Ner and he tosses
Speaker 1: each of the X Men to a device for them
Speaker 1: to return home. However, Rama Tut launches a blast from
Speaker 1: his temple at the mountain which the X Men where
Speaker 1: they're hiding, and he refers himself as the conqueror. In
Speaker 1: the process, Zaver tries to convince Magneto that their chance
Speaker 1: to redeem Apocalypse is gone and they need to return home.
Speaker 1: Nor emerges from the grubble, though, and draws their attention
Speaker 1: before the blast from Rama Tut seemingly obliterates the mountain.
Speaker 1: Rama Tut laughs as the episode comes to a close
Speaker 1: with the words to be continued with that with that
Speaker 1: beginning of the apocalypsees. Oh, yeah, so it was.
Speaker 3: It's cool. So we see the this thing's and it
Speaker 3: just blows this huge gaping hole and and that's how
Speaker 3: we end the episode. And like it said before, I'm
Speaker 3: excited to where we go next. These these three episodes
Speaker 3: really set up the rest of this season nicely. I'm
Speaker 3: glad that they did the three episodes to start.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it gave us a I g I said, upon reflection,
Speaker 1: it lets to see where each one of the timelines
Speaker 1: is out of the sense of past, present, in future,
Speaker 1: and you know, it was rather insane. You know, Travis
Speaker 1: and I had talked about on previous episodes of Marvel
Speaker 1: Lines where looking at the idea of oh, we're going
Speaker 1: to get like this whole thing of like in in
Speaker 1: different timelines at this point. But as we kind of
Speaker 1: saw season, they don't spend a lot of time on
Speaker 1: these kind of either story arcs or timelines necessarily because
Speaker 1: they're trying to move it forward. So it is disappointing
Speaker 1: to see us not there in the in the future,
Speaker 1: in the past for as long there looks.
Speaker 2: I mean, we don't know if they've.
Speaker 1: Made it out of the past back to the present,
Speaker 1: but one can assume that they are going to make
Speaker 1: it out. Either they just transport it out or we'll
Speaker 1: find a way out of it very quickly in the
Speaker 1: next episode. But I'm excited to see the next episode.
Speaker 1: You know, unfortunate won't be breaking it down with you
Speaker 1: all next week. But you know, like a lot of
Speaker 1: these you know, they the reviewers were sent the first
Speaker 1: four episodes. Some of them were sent the full season,
Speaker 1: but a lot of them were sent the first four episodes,
Speaker 1: and they did say that this fourth episode is going
Speaker 1: to be a very interesting one that you know, some
Speaker 1: people have seen the seasons is just saying, yeah, you're
Speaker 1: not going to get necessarily a Genocia moment, but you'll
Speaker 1: get a Denosha like moment coming soon.
Speaker 2: So so who knows I mean one of.
Speaker 1: Those titles is very much at the end of the season,
Speaker 1: say like, oh, I think we know it might be
Speaker 1: coming there at that point. So but oh, bears Layer
Speaker 1: in the chat, say, noticed that Boat got some credit
Speaker 1: for his work and the drama did affect it. Well,
Speaker 1: he's gonna get credit because of laws that are done
Speaker 1: for for the writer's guild in shows.
Speaker 3: He's credited as a writer on episode three, Rise of
Speaker 3: Apocalypse Part one. I think he's credited as a producer
Speaker 3: on multiple episodes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so legally they have to do that. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I caught that as well. But that's why you'll see
Speaker 1: his name appearing on different things because of legal reasons.
Speaker 1: It's good they do have to acknowledge or else taking
Speaker 1: he's already lost.
Speaker 3: They use his work, they use his storyline in it,
Speaker 3: you know, whether it be big or small. It's just
Speaker 3: like with music, where you will see fifteen people listed
Speaker 3: as a producer because one guy came in and he
Speaker 3: was like, oh, let's just turn this high had up
Speaker 3: just a little bit, or let's turn this dramojia and
Speaker 3: may now all of a sudden get a producer credit.
Speaker 3: Same thing applies you worked on it. You get credited
Speaker 3: even if you're no longer with the company. Technically, remember
Speaker 3: when you back Kickstarters, you're technically a producer. Have said thing,
Speaker 3: you know? Yep?
Speaker 1: So all right, well, we will see what happens with
Speaker 1: episode four when you and mister Hines break it down.
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Speaker 1: Well, we kind of talked about this in episode three
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Speaker 1: looking at the idea of you know, could they put
Speaker 1: out the the doomsday trailer as a trailer for Spider
Speaker 1: Man Brand New Day like is before that? Or could
Speaker 1: they go the No Way Home route and put the
Speaker 1: end credit sequence as the doomsday trailer that that they
Speaker 1: did in No Way Home for Multiverse of Madness.
Speaker 2: You know that I.
Speaker 1: Think that that that I think is very possible. I
Speaker 1: think that would be that would be the timing to
Speaker 1: do it. I think it would be right then and there.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they you know, again, Comic conk
Speaker 1: is San Diego. Comic Con happens the week before I believe,
Speaker 1: no excuse me, Brand New Day comes out, so they
Speaker 1: could do it at San Diego and put it out there,
Speaker 1: which a lot of times they do the big trailers
Speaker 1: they'll put out the week of it comes out and
Speaker 1: you get to then see it on the big train
Speaker 1: in the theater. So I'll either say it's gonna be
Speaker 1: at San Diego Comic Con released that week, or they're
Speaker 1: gonna hold it and then it's gonna come out when
Speaker 1: the trailer goes out as when the movie comes out.
Speaker 3: I think it will be private for for comic Con
Speaker 3: and then it will be attached to the post credits
Speaker 3: of Spider Man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or they could do a different trailer for San
Speaker 1: Diego Comic Con and then release something different for the public,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So but all right, so we've got Factor fictions. I've
Speaker 1: got mine pulled up, but I've got to pull up
Speaker 1: last weeks.
Speaker 2: Give me a second with that.
Speaker 3: All right, Well, I've got last week's put up so
Speaker 3: I can read those. Okay, well you got yours, all right,
Speaker 3: So Factor Fiction number one, Bruce Banners, Risk Guntlet will
Speaker 3: be the blueprint for the meet and callers in the MCU.
Speaker 3: That is seventy five percent fact, twenty five percent fiction.
Speaker 3: Number two, we will get hints of net Leeds, Hobgoblin Persona,
Speaker 3: and Spider Man brand New Day. That is fifty six
Speaker 3: percent on fiction and forty four percent on fact. So
Speaker 3: that that one.
Speaker 2: The people've been trying to make ned Leaves happen in
Speaker 2: this not happening.
Speaker 1: I am very much in the fiction on that one.
Speaker 3: And Factor Fiction number three, a member of the X
Speaker 3: Men roster will come out in costume at San Diego
Speaker 3: Comic Con Hall Ahed this year. Thirty six percent say
Speaker 3: fact and sixty four percent say fiction.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know about that one.
Speaker 1: But all right, So for this week, for my factor
Speaker 1: Fictions number one, we will hear only one official announcement
Speaker 1: of a new Phase six movie beyond X Men, during
Speaker 1: next year's Sandy O Comic Con. I do not think
Speaker 1: we're gonna hear of any new projects beyond X Men
Speaker 1: that we know is happening until next year's San Diego
Speaker 1: Comic Con. And I only think we're gonna get one
Speaker 1: thing because I really think they don't want to. They
Speaker 1: have to be careful with what they put into production
Speaker 1: and reveal because it might just reveal like, oh, who
Speaker 1: survives you know, secret Wars?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So I think we get one safe bet of a project.
Speaker 1: I didn't say, you know, a news face one Phase
Speaker 1: six movie. Is the only other thing beyond X Men
Speaker 1: that we get next year is Sandygo Comicon.
Speaker 3: So this this is projects, not movies.
Speaker 2: No I said, I meant to say movie, So one
Speaker 2: face movie beyond.
Speaker 3: X Man because there's a huge, huge different because projects
Speaker 3: opens up a lot of doors for Disney plus stuff.
Speaker 3: So movies, I'm gonna say fact, Okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm on this one.
Speaker 3: It'd be hard not to spoil their future plans with
Speaker 3: Doomsday and Secret Wars unless they announce some stuff, unless
Speaker 3: they go the Black Widow route and do a prequel.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think I'm gonna do that. But this
Speaker 1: one's tough for me. I you know, again, just because
Speaker 1: we put it out there doesn't mean we all automatically.
Speaker 1: Just because we write it as a factor of fiction,
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that we think it is actually gonna happen.
Speaker 3: See this one. I don't know.
Speaker 2: This one is just it's tough for me to say.
Speaker 1: If I'm gonna say fact, it's not gonna be a
Speaker 1: very strong fact because I still go in back my
Speaker 1: mind say.
Speaker 2: They play a very dangerous game.
Speaker 1: If they say another project, and as give me another movie,
Speaker 1: they basically say that character survives if it's a known
Speaker 1: character that has been in the MC, that that character
Speaker 1: survives in that iteration.
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna say fiction for this.
Speaker 1: I think they're just gonna go Secret Wars next year
Speaker 1: and X Men, and those are the safe things because
Speaker 1: they have already officially done it. It doesn't boy, it
Speaker 1: doesn't hurt them anything. And then they kind of it'll
Speaker 1: be a two for for them if they go to Sandy,
Speaker 1: if they go to San Diego at all, which I
Speaker 1: think they are with Secret Wars, but they do Secret
Speaker 1: Wars and they do X Men, and that's it. That's
Speaker 1: all they need. They get people jazzed up. That's when
Speaker 1: maybe they'll do their big full cast reveal of X Men.
Speaker 1: You know, they have nothing to lose. It doesn't reveal
Speaker 1: anything for Secret Wars. They knew they were gonna have
Speaker 1: anx mcux Men. They've been very upfront about that. They've
Speaker 1: already got like possible casting and casting rumors and things
Speaker 1: going back like that. So they've got the writer, they
Speaker 1: got the director, so that I think is more safe.
Speaker 1: But I and I think it's gonna I don't think
Speaker 1: they're gonna do anything beyond that, So I say fiction.
Speaker 1: So all right, Number two, we will see a new
Speaker 1: Sony Spider Man Universe movie within three years in fact,
Speaker 1: and so I say it again, new Sony Spider Man
Speaker 1: Universe movie. So anything within the Sony Spider Man universe
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be a Miles movie. Does be a
Speaker 1: Spider Man movie, but a new Sony Spider Man I
Speaker 1: should say live action movie.
Speaker 2: I'll add that live action.
Speaker 3: I am. I'm going to say it is going to
Speaker 3: be a fact on that that they're not losing that license.
Speaker 3: So you know it, it's it's time to to go
Speaker 3: ahead and and and bring out one of one of
Speaker 3: the villains.
Speaker 2: Hey, let's bring up let's bring up morebious. Keanu Reeves
Speaker 2: is watching it on airplanes.
Speaker 3: You know it's it's gonna be Morban time again. Are
Speaker 3: the Shocker is gonna get his own movie years or
Speaker 3: something like that. You know, it's it's gonna be some
Speaker 3: random thing that they're not gonna go the Spider Man route,
Speaker 3: but but they're going to pick something out of that,
Speaker 3: out of that lane, and we're gonna go from there.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I say it's gonna be a fact.
Speaker 1: I don't like saying it's gonna be a fact, but yeah,
Speaker 1: you bring out the points and saying they're not just
Speaker 1: gonna let the license laps and do that.
Speaker 2: So all right, last one, And.
Speaker 1: I said, I talked about this before when we look
Speaker 1: broke down the trailer for a Brand New Day, But
Speaker 1: now I'm just putting out there as an official factor
Speaker 1: of fiction. By the end of Spider Man Brand New Day,
Speaker 1: MJ will regain all her lost memories and remember who
Speaker 1: Peter Parker really is.
Speaker 3: Fact. I want it so bad, fact I I want
Speaker 3: her to have the the flood of memories moment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this one, I will say is a fact. I
Speaker 1: think the Yeah, I think it makes it very and
Speaker 1: they say all the form new memories now because it's
Speaker 1: always going to be after them and.
Speaker 2: It's gonna I think it.
Speaker 1: It's fun for a movie. I think it's fun for
Speaker 1: a movie like that. I think it gets ridiculous after
Speaker 1: to go to continue on like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I'm not saying they get back together.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that they at least had the flood
Speaker 1: of memories at that point, and you know, they could
Speaker 1: get back there. They could not get back together, but
Speaker 1: they'll She'll get She'll get back your memories by the end.
Speaker 3: Of the movie.
Speaker 1: So yeah, but all right, so all post those on
Speaker 1: Sunday afternoons. Let your voices be heard with that, and
Speaker 1: I'll let us begin our new comic book club. The
Speaker 1: Amazing Spider Man the other part one from Friendly Neighborhood
Speaker 1: spider Man number one a new serie, a new comic
Speaker 1: series that was put out way back when. So David,
Speaker 1: this was your choice to start bringing in this, so so, yeah,
Speaker 1: let's let's talk about this first issue.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So, and you know, just a reminder to our friends,
Speaker 3: like if you have Marvel Unlimited, which I think unless
Speaker 3: you have the omnibus version, it's the best way to
Speaker 3: read it, because this series does jump. The storyline does
Speaker 3: jump between different series. So you have Friendly Neighborhood that
Speaker 3: was going on, Marvel Knight, Spider Man that was going on,
Speaker 3: Amazing Spider Man, you know, the Flagship that was going on.
Speaker 3: So we bounce between three different ongoing titles with this.
Speaker 3: But so we start off with Peter talking about a
Speaker 3: dream that he had Morlan going through a more willing
Speaker 3: body that he doesn't know who is his. Then he
Speaker 3: flashes to images of Craven and then flashes to images
Speaker 3: of Uncle Ben and he's saying, you know, to everything,
Speaker 3: there is a season and time to live and a
Speaker 3: time too, and then everything goes black except for you know,
Speaker 3: a pair of fuzzy dice that are just going And
Speaker 3: we see that Peter is talking to MJ about this
Speaker 3: and he's telling him, you know, how he feels and
Speaker 3: how he's like, I'm in a great place in my life.
Speaker 3: Everything is going super I should be on cloud nine.
Speaker 3: I just feel like the rug's gonna be pulled under me.
Speaker 3: And she's telling Peter to focus on the here and now.
Speaker 3: And that's not just the focus on the You've got
Speaker 3: some good stuff in your life, but the silhouettes and
Speaker 3: everything allude to the fact that moment. Yes, he is
Speaker 3: supposed to be focused on his wife and what she
Speaker 3: is wanting in this moment, and he is thinking about
Speaker 3: life and.
Speaker 1: Death and taxes instead. That's typical Parker, but we know
Speaker 1: the Parker. Look, he's not wrong to think that is
Speaker 1: being that way. But yeah, we get this new villain
Speaker 1: Robin a bank and Peter goes after him and kind
Speaker 1: of handles him pretty well until he.
Speaker 2: Fires these bullets. And they're interesting magic bullets.
Speaker 3: Yeah, magic bullets that you know they lock on to you,
Speaker 3: and you know once they are they will avoid any
Speaker 3: other person. So doing the simple tricks of you know,
Speaker 3: jumping behind the person and trying to have the bullets
Speaker 3: hit them doesn't work. So as we see this guy Tracer,
Speaker 3: who is this new willing go back in the bank,
Speaker 3: then we start to get flashbacks to Peter training with
Speaker 3: Captain America per MJ and her asking Cap to help
Speaker 3: train him because he's been having these thoughts of death
Speaker 3: and everything else. And Cap is basically telling them like, look,
Speaker 3: you need to learn certain skills. You can't trust your instincts,
Speaker 3: and people are like, that's all I do is trust
Speaker 3: my instincts. He's like, I'm afraid of training with you
Speaker 3: because you're gonna tell me that trust my instincts will
Speaker 3: get me killed, to which Cap is like, they will
Speaker 3: get you killed. They have gotten many people killed.
Speaker 1: So we kept back, well, well, that's it's interesting kind
Speaker 1: of talking about that for a second. You know, I
Speaker 1: understand where CAP's coming from with that, but even as
Speaker 1: a soldier, I kind of call a little bit of
Speaker 1: bs on that one for him because he also has
Speaker 1: trusted his instincts in the past. So for him to say, like,
Speaker 1: don't trust them, that's not I call baloney on that one,
Speaker 1: because he's also trusted as instant and shouldiers are a
Speaker 1: lot of times also when you have that gut feeling,
Speaker 1: it's not always one hundred percent, but sometimes it's going
Speaker 1: to be.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So we cut back to him trying to get away
Speaker 3: from this bullet and remembering some of the training that
Speaker 3: Cap told him, and he stops and he decides to
Speaker 3: trust his training and catch the bullets with both hands,
Speaker 3: and he turns to the crowd and he's like, yes,
Speaker 3: this is my magic trick. As you'll see, the bullets
Speaker 3: are in my hand and opens up and that's.
Speaker 2: Where Nolan got the idea.
Speaker 3: In his right hand, yes, there is definitely a bullet.
Speaker 3: In his left hand there is a hole, and in
Speaker 3: his left shoulder there is a hole. And he did
Speaker 3: not collect this. So he passes out on the street
Speaker 3: but is able to get up and re fast forward
Speaker 3: to him meeting with a doctor who is there to
Speaker 3: help the superhero community. So, you know, he's doctor talking
Speaker 3: with Doctor Casillo, and you know, she's saying that she
Speaker 3: is has them all patched up, but she's going to
Speaker 3: take some of his blood. And she inquires about his name.
Speaker 3: She's like, what do I call you? And he's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: you know what, too many people know my name already.
Speaker 3: Let's just stick to Spidey. They kind of have a
Speaker 3: little back and forth about how she is a doctor
Speaker 3: to the entire superhero community and so she has to
Speaker 3: have some anonymity herself. You know, that trust goes both
Speaker 3: ways she's putting her license on the line, and he
Speaker 3: agrees to give her a sample of his blood for testing.
Speaker 1: So they go back to MJ and Peter in the apartment, saying,
Speaker 1: you know you need to rest, and he's like, nope, sorry,
Speaker 1: I got to go back out there.
Speaker 2: Got to find this tracer guy.
Speaker 1: Put a tracker on him so I know where he's
Speaker 1: going to be at, and basically goes after this limo
Speaker 1: only to be revealing the drivers of what are you
Speaker 1: doing here out of her mind and say I'm going
Speaker 1: to get this guy and it ends up not being Tracer,
Speaker 1: it ends up being Ja Joon and Jamison and says
Speaker 1: I already got.
Speaker 2: My headline for there, You're a menace.
Speaker 1: And sees the tracer on the limo, realizing he's been played.
Speaker 1: So he's like, well, this was a day wasted at
Speaker 1: that point, so heading back to his penthouse department at
Speaker 1: Stark Tower, the doctor calls saying, hey, got your results.
Speaker 1: It's she doesn't want to talk about.
Speaker 2: On the phone.
Speaker 1: She tells Peter it's bad, very bad, and there looming
Speaker 1: above him is Morland saying snake eyes, you lose, which
Speaker 1: is kind of an interesting thing for him. To say
Speaker 1: kind of like you could have said a whole bunch
Speaker 1: of other things. It's kind of weird for Moreland to
Speaker 1: say that. I mean, again, it's a I get, it's
Speaker 1: a it's it's a a dice reference at that point,
Speaker 1: snay guys is not a good thing when you're playing
Speaker 1: playing at the craps table.
Speaker 2: But weird for Moreland.
Speaker 3: To say, yeah. So that that is how we end that.
Speaker 3: And you know, with with the ominous standing over him,
Speaker 3: we know that things are bad for Peter. Plus Morland
Speaker 3: is there who she's had this dream of. And then
Speaker 3: we will continue next week with uh Marvel Nights, It's sorry,
Speaker 3: two weeks with Marvel Knight spider Man number nineteen, which
Speaker 3: is the continuation of the story. Like I said, we
Speaker 3: will jump around between the ongoing books.
Speaker 2: At the time, which I found interesting.
Speaker 1: If you the the the page after we get the
Speaker 1: Moreland reveal, you know, kind of goes over the twelve
Speaker 1: part series at that point. What I didn't what I'd
Speaker 1: forgotten was the artists of the book remained the same,
Speaker 1: but the writers of each kind of three parts stay
Speaker 1: the same until the last three books. So that was
Speaker 1: that was kind of an interesting take. That the Peter
Speaker 1: Day would write the first three parts. Reggie Hudluand would
Speaker 1: who was the writer of the Marvel Knights Spider Man,
Speaker 1: would write the next three parts, and then the other
Speaker 1: three parts that seven, eight nine will be written by
Speaker 1: Jim Michael Strazinski, who was the writer for Amazing Spider Man.
Speaker 1: He would write Friendly Neighborhood, Marvel Knights, and Amazing, and
Speaker 1: then at the last three parts, each one of the
Speaker 1: writers would go back to their respective books. I thought
Speaker 1: that was kind of an interesting I haven't seen that
Speaker 1: usually when it comes to events like this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is also interesting that within the crossovers they
Speaker 3: kept the same artists, artists and everything, which again, you know,
Speaker 3: coming from various different events and specials like that you do.
Speaker 3: It can sometimes be jarring when you jump between various
Speaker 3: books to have their different art styles be continued, and
Speaker 3: then you're going back and you're used to one hyper realistic,
Speaker 3: then you get to something else. You know. I have
Speaker 3: certain artists that I'm not a fan of, and like,
Speaker 3: if I see their work, it can be jarring if
Speaker 3: I just jump in out of nowhere. So it was
Speaker 3: cool the way that they did that.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: So but yeah, I'm looking forward to kind of continuing
Speaker 1: this in two weeks. But yeah, so volume three two
Speaker 1: in the books, longer episode with those three three episodes
Speaker 1: to go over, but you know, we know again we
Speaker 1: love some good X Men ninety seven. This one definitely hit,
Speaker 1: hit the ground run and hit a good home run
Speaker 1: for the opening of this so I'm very excited to
Speaker 1: see where the series goes and excited to see mister
Speaker 1: Hines and yourself break it down next week. So all right, Well,
Speaker 1: as always, you know, David, tell people how they can
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Speaker 1: not a positive thing, but I think it's with the
Speaker 1: big news this week, I think it's I think it's
Speaker 1: time for us to kind of talk about.
Speaker 3: It, all right, So we are marching towards the end
Speaker 3: of physical media. PlayStation has announced that starting in twenty
Speaker 3: twenty seven, they will no longer have physical games inside
Speaker 3: of the games that you buy, it will be digital
Speaker 3: codes as opposed to it, Xbox is going to be
Speaker 3: moving towards this same route. You know, there's been a
Speaker 3: lot of rumors at the next console will not have
Speaker 3: a dish drive as well. With that being said, is this,
Speaker 3: you know, is this the big doom and gloom that
Speaker 3: people are saying it is and the end of gaming
Speaker 3: as we know it? Or is this more of a
Speaker 3: you know what that we've been marching towards this new
Speaker 3: standard of practice for a while. This is not surprising.
Speaker 1: Yeah, as I said, and there's like, is it holy
Speaker 1: hyperbole Batman or the drums or the drums getting louder?
Speaker 1: So yeah, this was And people say, how is this
Speaker 1: marvel ed? Well, remember the Wolverine game is coming from
Speaker 1: PlayStation at that point, and so that's how we kind
Speaker 1: of get around these interesting topics. But you know, I
Speaker 1: am a physical media collector, not like in a lot
Speaker 1: of different things. Like you see my shelves behind me.
Speaker 1: If you've seen me on other shows, you know I'm
Speaker 1: a big omnibus collect edition collector, movies, four K movies,
Speaker 1: you know, steel books, I do that, video games at
Speaker 1: that point. But the other thing you know when this
Speaker 1: came about with video games, especially with PlayStation maintenance in
Speaker 1: eighteen months, no longer doing disk drives. Their next console
Speaker 1: is not gonna have a disk drive at that point,
Speaker 1: even with I mean I don't there. I have a
Speaker 1: huge also digital library of digital comics that I own.
Speaker 1: I have that it is not going to be licensed
Speaker 1: to me or anything like that. But I've also have
Speaker 1: you know, I've gotten to do. I I have a
Speaker 1: Legion Legion go ass at that point, so I download
Speaker 1: digital games because I've become more of a handheld gamer
Speaker 1: than a console gamer. I still have my consoles, but
Speaker 1: my gaming habits have now kind of made me kind
Speaker 1: of transition to gaming on handheld. You know, I have
Speaker 1: a switch to and that's been those two have been
Speaker 1: going back and forth on and I don't I purchased
Speaker 1: digital games on that one, and so I know that yes,
Speaker 1: at any moment, just because I bought it, it is
Speaker 1: a license at that point. Now I can say this
Speaker 1: that Valve has been very good about games that come
Speaker 1: off their their marketplace, that even if you can't purchase
Speaker 1: a game anymore, they have not gone the route of no,
Speaker 1: you can't download anymore like I'll point out like Fortse Horizon,
Speaker 1: for you can't get that anymore on the marketplace, on
Speaker 1: Valve's marketplace, But if you still have it, like I do,
Speaker 1: I can still download it and go to that in
Speaker 1: which I could do that in a number of books
Speaker 1: from former Comixology that I have. But that's not always
Speaker 1: the case because it's a license. They're very clearly saying
Speaker 1: like you don't own this, it is a license. They
Speaker 1: can take it away, and so that that takes away
Speaker 1: consumer choice, like right right here, you know, I'm holding
Speaker 1: up for those in video like this is the Switch
Speaker 1: version of Marvel versus cap On Finding Collection. This is
Speaker 1: such a cool thing for me to get, and it
Speaker 1: was a huge, you know, nostalgia moment, including like that's
Speaker 1: coming out later this year, the Marvel Maximum Collection coming
Speaker 1: out from limited games and physical editions, and having this
Speaker 1: to say like, hey, this is mine, I have this,
Speaker 1: I can put this in it doesn't have to link
Speaker 1: up to anything, and I can still play it. It
Speaker 1: always worries me because especially when you get these games
Speaker 1: like this that are retro games, like you can't easily
Speaker 1: get these anymore, and so I think physical media, I
Speaker 1: don't know physical media is going to totally go away.
Speaker 1: But I think right now when it comes to gaming,
Speaker 1: I think it is. I don't think it's hyperbole. I
Speaker 1: think we're now, as you said, like Xbox is now
Speaker 1: their next console is going to be going to digital.
Speaker 1: Now they're starting to toy with this idea they started
Speaker 1: talking about, like their next thing they're getting ready to premiere.
Speaker 2: Is like diss to digital. Like you if whatever disc.
Speaker 1: You going, you put it on digital and you kind
Speaker 1: of own it. But it's kind of weird. We don't
Speaker 1: know all the belt, we don't know all the details,
Speaker 1: full details on that. But I think when it comes
Speaker 1: to video games, when we see it with the switch
Speaker 1: to like you have a key car, you have a
Speaker 1: card now cardre but it's a key card that you
Speaker 1: access and download the game digitally, so you don't really
Speaker 1: own it necessarily as much as you feel. So I
Speaker 1: think with video games it's not hyperbole. We've heard these
Speaker 1: ideas coming. But I think when it comes to video games,
Speaker 1: I think that this is coming and it's it's going
Speaker 1: to be a new age.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I definitely agree that this is just this is
Speaker 3: where it's moving to. I am fifty to fifty on
Speaker 3: digital versus physical. I like buying physical, especially with my kids.
Speaker 3: I like having that moment of I think it's just
Speaker 3: different on and I get it, they are still going
Speaker 3: to sell like a box with a digital code and
Speaker 3: things like that, but you're the one who started this, Yeah,
Speaker 3: But just having that feeling of, like on Christmas, them
Speaker 3: unwrapping the actual the box and popping that disc in
Speaker 3: and getting everything else. And that's a much better feeling
Speaker 3: than just you wake up and I tell them, hey,
Speaker 3: turn on the PlayStation and scroll and see what new
Speaker 3: games are on the top of the thing. Like it
Speaker 3: just something about having that is there now games that
Speaker 3: we know that we're gonna buy. Like my kid is
Speaker 3: a huge basketball fan, and every year I get him
Speaker 3: the latest NBA two K game. I can't say much
Speaker 3: because I always get the latest NCAA football thing, so
Speaker 3: I can't say anything about the fact that it's basically
Speaker 3: the same game just repainted.
Speaker 2: But no judgment that one.
Speaker 3: I do digital because we know this is a yearly thing.
Speaker 3: But like Christmas, he wanted Ghost of Yotai, and there's
Speaker 3: other games like they want. I will go get that.
Speaker 3: There's some games that are just no longer available digitally,
Speaker 3: Like I had a moment where there is this game
Speaker 3: called jump Force that is a very anime centric game.
Speaker 3: It lasted on digital platform for about a year before
Speaker 3: they pulled it, and so I had to search the
Speaker 3: high heavens to find it physically in order to play it.
Speaker 3: And luckily I have the Xbox version with the disk
Speaker 3: drives that I could but without having that it getting
Speaker 3: pulled from stores. Me having this this spark to want
Speaker 3: to play it, and my kid wanted to play it
Speaker 3: as well, like we would not have been able to
Speaker 3: do that without having that physical media.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think you know again I said I
Speaker 1: collect physical media with movies like now, I mean room
Speaker 1: is room. I only have so much room in the
Speaker 1: house at that point. But there are certain movies like
Speaker 1: I want the physical thing, not to say I physically
Speaker 1: own it, but because the movie means something to me.
Speaker 1: But yes, when push comes to shove, if it's convenient
Speaker 1: to watch on streaming, I'll watch it on streaming. But
Speaker 1: I know the quality is not going to be there.
Speaker 1: But if I want the quality, I can pop that
Speaker 1: four K disk in a black panther that I have
Speaker 1: from Steel Book and know that I have the four
Speaker 1: kh you know, looking at my four KTV to streaming.
Speaker 2: It just it'll never be that.
Speaker 1: It's not like no matter unless you have the top
Speaker 1: tier kind of stuff, which I'm not going to be
Speaker 1: paying for necessarily because it's again money is money. But
Speaker 1: even with book my omnibuses, I can't get every omnibus
Speaker 1: known demand I would great.
Speaker 2: So I have a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1: I have a whole digital collection of some of this,
Speaker 1: including backups of these that I feel that I personally
Speaker 1: own to have of series like I buy what I
Speaker 1: have a personal collection to or buy like a series
Speaker 1: that I love and will read. But there are some
Speaker 1: things that's saying, you know what, I just I want
Speaker 1: to pay a little bit cheaper, but I want to digitally,
Speaker 1: but I own it at that point I had, you know,
Speaker 1: I go through different retailers to get that, but I
Speaker 1: own that and so I get to preserve it in
Speaker 1: that sense digitally. But that's not how a lot of
Speaker 1: digital platforms work. Like I we have Marvel LIMB with
Speaker 1: both of us, we both I mean I I don't
Speaker 1: know if you have I have DC Universe Infinite and
Speaker 1: but again that's streaming site in a different way, just
Speaker 1: because they don't have everything there. There are certain things
Speaker 1: that haven't been digitized yet for one reason or another.
Speaker 1: Marvel puts their omnies and collect editions into digital formats,
Speaker 1: so you can do it. DC doesn't yet. Most DC
Speaker 1: does is their oversized formats and their trades. They haven't
Speaker 1: gone through out of omnibuses digitally.
Speaker 2: Marvel has.
Speaker 1: But you know, I think books are going to be
Speaker 1: around for a much longer. But I think again, I think,
Speaker 1: I think this is video games. I think the time
Speaker 1: and again it's a it's a profit margin for them.
Speaker 1: It is cutting into their profits whether they like it
Speaker 1: or not. This is the money making thing for them,
Speaker 1: and they do not want to spend the money anymore
Speaker 1: and cut into their profits. So it's a sad time.
Speaker 1: It's it's not consumer friendly and it is taking away
Speaker 1: consumer choice and I don't like it. I understand from
Speaker 1: a business perspective why they're doing it, but yeah, this
Speaker 1: is this was a kill shot. This was the time
Speaker 1: of physical media is for video games. I think the
Speaker 1: time is. The time is getting ready to end, and
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a very different gaming forecast for people,
Speaker 1: especially with consoles and handhelds that are gonna be already
Speaker 1: being pricing people out, you know, so definitely, so not.
Speaker 2: A positive topic.
Speaker 3: And it's just it's it's the new wave, so and
Speaker 3: there's there's nothing that's gonna change it. They're going to
Speaker 3: save money on production and distribution and the it's their
Speaker 3: bottom line is going to go up. It's not we're
Speaker 3: not going to save one any games. But this is
Speaker 3: from a business standpoint, it's just better for them.
Speaker 1: But all right, not a positive topic, but I figured
Speaker 1: it was kind of discussion that can tackles a lot
Speaker 1: of different avenues. But you know, as we said, mister
Speaker 1: Hines will be joining David next week for episode four
Speaker 1: of x N ninety seven season two, So enjoy that.
Speaker 2: I will see you all in two weeks.
Speaker 1: You all have a great weekend. Happy Fourth of July
Speaker 1: to all those that celebrate, and we'll see you soon.
Speaker 3: Bye bye, Siah.