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<v Speaker 1>This is pet Life Radio. Let's talk pets.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, welcome the Canine Master Radio show on pet Life

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<v Speaker 2>Radio and I'm your host, Chris Abank. How are you

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<v Speaker 2>guys today? I have joining me my director of training

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<v Speaker 2>at dog Smart, the Canine Center in Fairfield County, Jamie Kelsey. Jamie, Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>how are you today?

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<v Speaker 3>Good?

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<v Speaker 4>Hi, everyone's so happy to be here.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, today we're going to talk about, Jamie, what to

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<v Speaker 2>do when I have all things reactive when it comes

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<v Speaker 2>to my dog and my dog being on a leash.

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<v Speaker 2>I think this is a great subject matter to cover

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<v Speaker 2>because so many people are dealing with this kind of

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<v Speaker 2>situation every single day. I mean, Jamie, don't you hear

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<v Speaker 2>about our client's always dealing with this.

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely, It's a top training priority for our clients and

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<v Speaker 4>even in our canine facility. In our lobby, when clients

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<v Speaker 4>enter with their dogs, sometimes before we even say hello,

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<v Speaker 4>we say don't let your dogs meet on leash or

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<v Speaker 4>keep your dogs close to you because we know in

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<v Speaker 4>that you know, type of close proximity to other dogs.

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<v Speaker 4>When dogs are on leash, we can see some leash

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<v Speaker 4>reactivity when we don't see it when they're off leash,

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<v Speaker 4>playing on the play floor.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and that comes down to you know, all dogs

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<v Speaker 2>have fight or flight, right, So when a dog is

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<v Speaker 2>on a leash, we're eliminating what we're eliminating flight. And

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<v Speaker 2>when a dog is off fleash, the dog has the

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<v Speaker 2>ability to back away, to look away, So we get

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of false body posture readings coming out of

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<v Speaker 2>the dog when it's on a leash. A couple of

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<v Speaker 2>things that I always mentioned. When a dog is on

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<v Speaker 2>a leash, generally they're out in front, which is the

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<v Speaker 2>wrong place for them to be. We're going to get

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<v Speaker 2>to that today, Jamie. Right, But being on leash, when

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<v Speaker 2>I have I have a dog that's on a leash

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<v Speaker 2>and he's pulling on that leash, he's leaning forward, and

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<v Speaker 2>he's leaning forward against the leash, pulling on that leash.

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<v Speaker 2>But what am I reading as another dog, I'm seeing

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<v Speaker 2>this body pressure of leaning forward. Well, when I see

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<v Speaker 2>body pressure of a human leaning forward or a dog

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<v Speaker 2>leaning forward, that's dominance. It reads as hey, I'm about

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<v Speaker 2>to kick your butt. So having a dog on a

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<v Speaker 2>leash can really make your dog appear to be more

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<v Speaker 2>dominant or threatening. And of course, if I'm scared and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have the ability to run away or back away.

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<v Speaker 2>You're giving me a cornered response, which is also that

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<v Speaker 2>cornered response which I want to talk about so much.

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<v Speaker 2>That cornered response is responsible for a lot of the

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<v Speaker 2>aggression and a lot of the barking coming out of

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<v Speaker 2>the dog.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, and you know you're talking about a dominant stance,

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<v Speaker 4>but most of the times what that is is reflective

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<v Speaker 4>of the dog's fear because, like you said, fight or flight.

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<v Speaker 4>When a dog is uncertain of an interaction and you

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<v Speaker 4>remove a defense option of flight, well what's left is fight.

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<v Speaker 4>And so dogs will present us that even though it's

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<v Speaker 4>based in fear.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And so this is where we see that Gosh,

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<v Speaker 2>the dog is fine with everybody outside when he's off leash,

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<v Speaker 2>but as soon as I put him on a leash,

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<v Speaker 2>he gets very reactive. And again we see dogs sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>even it leads to aggression. So where one dog is

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<v Speaker 2>fine off leash, and then he's on a leash and

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<v Speaker 2>he appears aggressive, but then if it's pushed, the aggression

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<v Speaker 2>comes out. And that's where dogs will either bite another

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<v Speaker 2>dog or attack another dog, or even possibly a human

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<v Speaker 2>or even a child, an adult or a child so

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<v Speaker 2>we really need to make sure that when a dog

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<v Speaker 2>is on a leash, there's a couple of rules that

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<v Speaker 2>we want to adhere to. And if we adhere to

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<v Speaker 2>these rules, rarely do we have issues. But if we don't,

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<v Speaker 2>it happens a lot.

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<v Speaker 4>Chris, can we start maybe just with a little bit

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<v Speaker 4>of a review of the best tools when you're leashwalking

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<v Speaker 4>your dog.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, so that's a great place to start.

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<v Speaker 4>Like, no retractable leash.

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<v Speaker 2>So retractable leashes, you really don't have a lot of control.

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<v Speaker 2>I am not a big fan of retractable leashes, unless,

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<v Speaker 2>of course I'm going on a road trip and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>stopping at rest stops and i need my dog to

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<v Speaker 2>go to the bathroom very quickly and feel that freedom.

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<v Speaker 2>But retractable leashes, the owner has a lot of risk

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<v Speaker 2>either to themselves as to the other dog. Right, we

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<v Speaker 2>see that where a dog will go to the end

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<v Speaker 2>of the retractable leash and they'll knock the owner over,

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<v Speaker 2>or the retractable leash wraps around a finger and does

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<v Speaker 2>severe damage to a finger or our leg. But a

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<v Speaker 2>retractable leash, also you don't have the control that you

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<v Speaker 2>have with a six foot leash. Now, we like to

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<v Speaker 2>use leather leashes. Leather leashes give you an amazing amount

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<v Speaker 2>of grip, but there are some types of rubber leashes

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<v Speaker 2>that do also have grip. But a nylon leash can

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<v Speaker 2>be very slippery. So like to walk our dog on

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<v Speaker 2>a six foot leather leash, size appropriately in width for

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<v Speaker 2>the dog that we're walking. That's important. The next best

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<v Speaker 2>thing is what are we walking the dog on? Now,

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<v Speaker 2>this can really vary depending on the dog's temperament. We

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<v Speaker 2>prefer either a no pull hardest Jamie. Which which kind

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<v Speaker 2>of brands are we looking at?

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<v Speaker 4>For Nople Herny we is a freedom Nople harness. We

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<v Speaker 4>really like that. What's really important is that it clips

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<v Speaker 4>in the front. It's almost like power steering. When you

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<v Speaker 4>clip the harness on the back, you think, yes, it

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<v Speaker 4>redistributes the weight, so the dog isn't pulling on their neck.

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<v Speaker 4>But what happens is it turns them into a sled dog.

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<v Speaker 4>So it gives them the upper hand and the strength

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<v Speaker 4>to pull you. When the clip is in the front,

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<v Speaker 4>if they pull, they're going to get redirected and so

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<v Speaker 4>and also some of these brands have a clip both

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<v Speaker 4>in the front and the back.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So basically the Noble Harness is a really good option.

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<v Speaker 2>The other option is something like the Gentle Leader or

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<v Speaker 2>the Halty by my friend rodih your Mugfort in England

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<v Speaker 2>with the Company of Animals they make the Halty, which

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<v Speaker 2>is also very good. The thing about these leashes is

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<v Speaker 2>are these kind of head collars. They're almost like a

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<v Speaker 2>horse halter. Where the head goes, the body will follow.

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<v Speaker 2>So these can be fine, except it takes sometimes a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit of adjustment for the dog to get used to.

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<v Speaker 2>And so you know, what we tell people to do

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<v Speaker 2>is to actually don't start out just putting it on

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<v Speaker 2>your dog and walking outside, but actually put it on

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<v Speaker 2>your dog, give them some great treats when it's on,

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<v Speaker 2>and then take it off, wait for a little bit,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe wait for a minute, then put it back on

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<v Speaker 2>and give them great treats and let them get used

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<v Speaker 2>to the feeling of this halter and pressure, yeah, we

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<v Speaker 2>call it all. And the way it works is that

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<v Speaker 2>when you pull on the Halty or the general Leader,

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<v Speaker 2>what happens is you're putting pressure around the muzzle and

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<v Speaker 2>around the back of the head, at the top of

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<v Speaker 2>the back of the head. So these are two very

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<v Speaker 2>controlling parts of the dog. Again, some dogs really really

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<v Speaker 2>have issues with this. The other thing that you can

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<v Speaker 2>use is just a flat collar. Flat collars can be

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit harder. I think that you will find

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<v Speaker 2>that with a flat collar. You need to make sure

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<v Speaker 2>that you are able to control the dog with a

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<v Speaker 2>flat collar on it, and if you aren't, then that

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<v Speaker 2>flat collar is probably not the one to use. I

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<v Speaker 2>would then go back to a harness.

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<v Speaker 5>Chris.

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<v Speaker 4>One thing I want to say about the flat collar

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<v Speaker 4>that's so important is you need to make sure that

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<v Speaker 4>it's snug enough. If it's looser than two fingertips, the

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<v Speaker 4>dogs can Houdini their head out of it. And if

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<v Speaker 4>you've got a dog who's being reactive and barking and

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<v Speaker 4>they slip that collar, that's not a good situation. So

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<v Speaker 4>make sure your dog's collar is snug. Chris Alway says,

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<v Speaker 4>two fingertips under the collar.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, thanks Jamie for reminding me of that. That is important,

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<v Speaker 2>making sure it's snug enough. And a lot of people think,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my gosh, well I can put my whole hand

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<v Speaker 2>in it, and if your own hands is in it,

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<v Speaker 2>it's too loose. So the other collars that we can

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<v Speaker 2>talk about, but I'm not big fans of. One is

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<v Speaker 2>a chain choke collar. I'm not a fan of that

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<v Speaker 2>at all. It can collapse the trachea. They are abusive.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't see the need for one of these. And

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<v Speaker 2>you're training the dog. They say it's the sound of

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<v Speaker 2>a chain and the link. That's a lot of hogwash.

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<v Speaker 2>It's actually it's a pop on the leash that inflicts

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of pain onto the dog. There is

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<v Speaker 2>another collar that we sometimes will re recommend, but rarely again,

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<v Speaker 2>and that is the prong collar. But I wouldn't recommend

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<v Speaker 2>you using a prong collar unless you're working with a

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<v Speaker 2>trainer that really knows what they're doing and is not

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<v Speaker 2>an abusive trainer, because they can be really used in

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<v Speaker 2>an abusive way. So my best bets for teaching a

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<v Speaker 2>dog to walk nicely on a leash is either a

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<v Speaker 2>head halter or even a harness. And the other resort

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<v Speaker 2>is a flat collar and the six foot leash, and

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<v Speaker 2>the six foot leather leash is a great, great thing

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<v Speaker 2>to start with. All right, I tell you what I

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<v Speaker 2>think what we should do before we start getting into

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<v Speaker 2>the techniques than how to get our dogs to be

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<v Speaker 2>non reacted. I think we should take a small break,

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, welcome back. It's Chris thank from KNI Master. All right, Jamie,

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<v Speaker 2>so let's take a look. Let's delve a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>deeper here.

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<v Speaker 4>Let's look at some of the causes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, some of the causes. Well, when a dog is

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<v Speaker 2>on a leash and he is walking down and you

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<v Speaker 2>walk up to another dog on a leash with a

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<v Speaker 2>human attached, and that dog is out in front of you,

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<v Speaker 2>pass what we'll call the body plane, you know, pass

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<v Speaker 2>your knee out in front, and he's walking up to

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<v Speaker 2>this other dog in this person. What is happening is

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<v Speaker 2>you're putting that dog in the decision making process is

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<v Speaker 2>this dog friendly or foe? And what happens when you

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<v Speaker 2>do that is you're putting all the pressure on that

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<v Speaker 2>dog to make a decision on how to read the

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<v Speaker 2>situation and how to react. And that right there is

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<v Speaker 2>the cause of many men, many dogs getting aggressive and

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<v Speaker 2>decision making process of determining whose friend or foe. So

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<v Speaker 2>where do dogs naturally want to go if they have

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<v Speaker 2>They're letting the dog make that determination. And a fearful

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<v Speaker 2>of fear in them, and they're cornered and they're on

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<v Speaker 2>a leash, are going to become reactive. So how do

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<v Speaker 4>Chris? Doesn't some of this mindset start inside the home

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<v Speaker 4>before we try to transfer it outside into justs.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a great point, Jamie. A lot of how a

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<v Speaker 2>dog determines its role within the pack, within the family

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<v Speaker 2>pack is that started in the home, and that brings

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<v Speaker 2>me to what we should be doing. We should start

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<v Speaker 2>this in the home. But let me back up a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit. If you're in front when it comes to

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<v Speaker 2>meeting another dog in a human on a leash, if

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<v Speaker 2>the dog is behind you and he's let's say he's

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<v Speaker 2>an arms distance behind you, are a good eighteen inches

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<v Speaker 2>behind your rear end, he's accepted that you are in front.

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<v Speaker 2>What happens is your dog will be non reactive. It

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<v Speaker 2>is impossible for a dog to be reactive if he's

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<v Speaker 2>behind you. I'm just going to repeat that again. I'd

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<v Speaker 2>never see it not happen. It is impossible for a

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<v Speaker 2>you are taking over the greeting. So where do we

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<v Speaker 2>practice this. What Jamie Jovis said is exactly right. We

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<v Speaker 2>practice this in the house, all right, Jane, and give

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<v Speaker 2>us some examples of what we do in the house.

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<v Speaker 4>In the house is making sure that your dog, we

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<v Speaker 4>like to call it accountable. It's positive, it's loving, but

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<v Speaker 4>it's accountable. It's making sure that you're answering the door first,

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<v Speaker 4>you're not tasking your dog with being the gatekeeper to

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<v Speaker 4>greeting guests. That you're giving your dog little commands, little

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<v Speaker 4>jobs throughout the day, Sit down, go to your bed,

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<v Speaker 4>so your dog knows they're accountable. Many people say, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>my dog's perfect at home. It's once I get outside

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<v Speaker 4>the house, and so that's when you have to do

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<v Speaker 4>the work. But if being accountable to you is a

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<v Speaker 4>novel idea, it's going to be very hard to teach

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<v Speaker 4>in a distracted environment. So I'll even work with clients

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<v Speaker 4>and will leash walk around the house. We'll walk around

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<v Speaker 4>the house and we'll practice the position. We'll practice the

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<v Speaker 4>leash and the collar and the harness and make sure

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<v Speaker 4>that the owner feels empowered and in control so that

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<v Speaker 4>we're not learning outside. We're just transferring. And that can

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I think that's all important stuff. And that is

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<v Speaker 2>exactly the kinds of stuff that we start off doing

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<v Speaker 2>when we we are starting off. So when we start off,

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<v Speaker 2>we start off inside the house. So a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>just techniques. I'm walking through a doorway or a threshold,

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<v Speaker 2>and as I'm walking through the threshold, the dog tries

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<v Speaker 2>to race through the door in front of me, and

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<v Speaker 2>if I allow him to do so, I just voted

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<v Speaker 2>him and as the leader. Now a lot of people say, oh, sit,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want you to say sit. No commands in

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<v Speaker 2>that situation. Use body pressure. Body pressure your own to

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<v Speaker 2>your own dog can be very very useful. So if

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<v Speaker 2>I'm walking through a doorway and the dog is accompanying

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<v Speaker 2>me in let's say I'm going from the donner room

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<v Speaker 2>to the kitchen where all the food is, and the

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<v Speaker 2>dog tries to shoot through that doorway and he tries

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<v Speaker 2>to race through in front of me. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>actually give a guttural tone and then I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>turn and face the dog with body pressure, so sort

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<v Speaker 2>of leaning forward into the dog a little bit, and

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<v Speaker 2>then if I have to, I'll use my legs to

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<v Speaker 2>shove him, not kick him folks to shove him behind

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<v Speaker 2>me going through the doorways. Same things with going upstairs

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<v Speaker 2>and downstairs. Again, if the dog tries to pass me

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<v Speaker 2>going up the stairs and I let him do so,

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<v Speaker 2>I just voted him in as being the leader in

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<v Speaker 2>my territory. So again up and downstairs, he must be

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<v Speaker 2>behind you going up and downstairs through all doorways. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>it is very helpful if I have a dog guy

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<v Speaker 2>just can't catch in time to take about a six

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<v Speaker 2>foot leash, nylon leash. I'm gonna say nylon because they're cheap,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm gonna cut off the loop and I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>attach it to the dog's collar, flat collar, and then

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to tie that to my belt or even

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<v Speaker 2>hold that as I wander around, so that at least

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<v Speaker 2>I have some control if the dog wants to try

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<v Speaker 2>to pass me going through doorways upstairs and downstairs. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>one more thing I just want to let you know

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<v Speaker 2>is if I going outside and my dog races out

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<v Speaker 2>the door and I allow him to do so, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>insides one territory outsides anotherbody races into the new territory. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm teaching him that he goes first. He makes the decisions.

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<v Speaker 2>Your dog must be behind you, behind you, behind you,

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<v Speaker 2>behind you, and then we start to see the dog

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<v Speaker 2>becoming non reactive, and then when we take that outside

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<v Speaker 2>it becomes much easier inside.

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<v Speaker 4>First, I want to add one thing, and you let

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<v Speaker 4>me know if this is on point. Again, we're focusing

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<v Speaker 4>on cause, not correction. When guests come to our home

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<v Speaker 4>and we allow our dogs to jump on them or

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<v Speaker 4>be the first greet they start to feel that they're

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<v Speaker 4>the representative of the pack and they're the greeter and

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<v Speaker 4>people are coming and people walk in and oh my god,

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<v Speaker 4>what a cute dog. So they may start to anticipate

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<v Speaker 4>when they see neighbors or strangers on the street that

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<v Speaker 4>that's going to be the same type of interaction. So

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<v Speaker 4>I coach clients when people come over, don't let them

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<v Speaker 4>interact with your dog. Don't make it like they're there

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<v Speaker 4>to see your dog. Take the pressure off of your

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<v Speaker 4>and then that can transfer into the greetings outside.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think it's very very good advice.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the things I will do is when clients

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<v Speaker 2>we had recently a dog named Cassius, large great Dane

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<v Speaker 2>and he was becoming reactive. The owners were having some

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<v Speaker 2>real problems and he actually became aggressive when greeting people.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, the interesting thing is is that we

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<v Speaker 2>started doing some exercises at the door where we taught

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<v Speaker 2>when a stranger comes to the house, there to basically

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<v Speaker 2>keep the dog away from the stranger. So we took

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<v Speaker 2>some blue painter's tape and we made a box around

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<v Speaker 2>the front door and I rang the doorbell. The dog

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know me at this point, and when the dog

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<v Speaker 2>came racing up barking, barking, barking, they took their body turned,

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<v Speaker 2>flipped faced the dog and literally shoved the dog out

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<v Speaker 2>of the box using their body pressure and their legs

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<v Speaker 2>as well. And they were able to do this. And

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<v Speaker 2>now the dog literally when the doorbell rings, he waits

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<v Speaker 2>patiently for the stranger to come in. And it really

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<v Speaker 2>took away all the reactivity of that dog with strangers.

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<v Speaker 3>Example.

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<v Speaker 2>So teaching that first that you are in charge as

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<v Speaker 2>the leader of your family pack, and that you're in

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<v Speaker 2>charge of the interactions within the space that carries through

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<v Speaker 2>to you're in charge of the interactions outside of the space.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, now, I know that you, Jamie, have some

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<v Speaker 2>questions and some examples of some of our customers. But

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<v Speaker 2>really good examples of how to fix these reactive dog situations.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, welcome. I'm here with Jamie Kelsey, the director

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<v Speaker 2>of dog training at dog on Smart, and we're here

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<v Speaker 2>talking about reactive dogs and reactive dogs on leash. Jamie,

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<v Speaker 2>you have heard from some of our uh some of

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<v Speaker 2>our clients and some of the listeners. Give me some

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<v Speaker 2>flavor of what you're hearing out there and maybe maybe

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<v Speaker 2>we can address some of.

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<v Speaker 4>These Yeah, so I think you know just understanding why

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<v Speaker 4>the dog's behavior is so different on leash than off leash,

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<v Speaker 4>and we see it every day, and when they come

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<v Speaker 4>into the lobby before they go into the playcare, the

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<v Speaker 4>dogs may have hackles up and there may be growling

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<v Speaker 4>on leash, and then they get into the group and

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<v Speaker 4>they're off leash and they're totally fine in their best friends.

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<v Speaker 4>And so really explain that dynamic to clients so they

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<v Speaker 4>can understand it within family dogs and neighborhood dogs. I have,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, I printed a bunch of training in crees

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<v Speaker 4>and we can read some of them and I'm sure

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<v Speaker 4>they apply to many and coach for the techniques. I'll

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<v Speaker 4>read one here. Callie is very nervous on leash. She

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<v Speaker 4>wags her tail so maybe a bit conflicted. She wags

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<v Speaker 4>her tail like she wants to say hi, but then

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<v Speaker 4>she gets loaded the ground, barks and lunges if they

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<v Speaker 4>attempt to come near her. She's also reactive to dogs

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<v Speaker 4>in her neighborhood on leash. There are dogs that are

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<v Speaker 4>barking at her first, but now the response is that

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<v Speaker 4>she is reactive every time she sees them. This is

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<v Speaker 4>not sustainable and I'd really like to find a place

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<v Speaker 4>where we can walk in my neighborhood without her barking

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<v Speaker 4>and lunging, and can be comfortable until we pass. She

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<v Speaker 4>is extremely social with dogs and other humans off the leash.

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<v Speaker 4>But this is a behavior on leash that I need

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so you know that is so typical of what

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<v Speaker 2>we hear often some people need to understand. You know

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<v Speaker 2>that when a dog is on leash, we talked about

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<v Speaker 2>false body language, the dog is not able to retreat,

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<v Speaker 2>The dog is not able to do maybe go into

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<v Speaker 2>a play posture because he's pulling on the leash and

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<v Speaker 2>he can't get into that position. And then of course

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<v Speaker 2>they're also feeling very cornered, and as soon as we

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<v Speaker 2>take them off leash, they have the ability if a dog.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, all dogs have fight or flight, right, and

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<v Speaker 2>they all have different degrees of fight or flight. So

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<v Speaker 2>a very confident dog is going to have a higher

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<v Speaker 2>fight than flight, and a fearful dog is going to

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<v Speaker 2>have a higher flight than fight. And a conflicted dog

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<v Speaker 2>is gonna be right there in the middle saying should

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<v Speaker 2>I fight SHEDD run? Should fight Cheddar run? But when

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<v Speaker 2>a conflicted dog, which she just described this dog CALLI

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<v Speaker 2>sounds a little conflicted. Is on a leash, we're taking

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<v Speaker 2>away the ability to flee, and then we build fight.

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<v Speaker 2>So many dogs, many many, many dogs will become more

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<v Speaker 2>aggressive on leash than off leash, and as soon as

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<v Speaker 2>you take them off leash, they're fire. So what do

421
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<v Speaker 2>we do with those dogs that are aggressive on leash? Well,

422
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<v Speaker 2>remember when I said to you that a dog that's

423
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<v Speaker 2>behind you cannot be aggressive. So we teach the dogs

424
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<v Speaker 2>to walk behind us. Now you'll say, oh my god,

425
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<v Speaker 2>that's crazy. You know I can't get my dog to

426
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<v Speaker 2>even walk next to me. Well, you can't get your

427
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<v Speaker 2>dog to walk next to you because your dog is

428
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<v Speaker 2>trying to be in front of you and the relationship

429
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<v Speaker 2>is broken. So some of the things that you can

430
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<v Speaker 2>do is, again you start out at home, getting the dog,

431
00:22:32.839 --> 00:22:35.200
<v Speaker 2>you go behind you, behind you, behind you. You also

432
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<v Speaker 2>then start working with the dog in a non distraction area,

433
00:22:40.359 --> 00:22:43.599
<v Speaker 2>maybe your backyard, put a leash on them, and you know,

434
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<v Speaker 2>you can use things like a clicker. Everybody uses a

435
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<v Speaker 2>clicker these days, it seems, but not all people do.

436
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<v Speaker 2>A click is just a Marxi behavior as correct. It says, yes,

437
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<v Speaker 2>a treat is coming, and what you're doing is correct.

438
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<v Speaker 2>It's like a picture of exactly that moment and says

439
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<v Speaker 2>now a treat it's coming, so it marks it as correct.

440
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<v Speaker 2>But you can use a word yes, or you can

441
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<v Speaker 2>say good girl. You can praise her when she's behind you.

442
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<v Speaker 2>But I think using treats as a first step to

443
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<v Speaker 2>lure the dog behind you. If the dog tries to

444
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<v Speaker 2>pass you, you can give a guttural tone, and you

445
00:23:15.880 --> 00:23:18.440
<v Speaker 2>can also use forward body language, so you flip around

446
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<v Speaker 2>and put a little bit of body pressure on the

447
00:23:20.240 --> 00:23:22.960
<v Speaker 2>dog to get them to stay behind you. And then

448
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<v Speaker 2>use a queue like let's walk. We use that a

449
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<v Speaker 2>dog on Smart, don't we, Jamie all the time. That's

450
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<v Speaker 2>our cue. I wouldn't use let's go because we say

451
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<v Speaker 2>that to our husbands and our kids all the times.

452
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<v Speaker 2>You know, hey, let's go. You're ready to go, you know,

453
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<v Speaker 2>So use the term let's walk. It's its own particular cue.

454
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<v Speaker 2>And that's walk means walk behind me. And as long

455
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<v Speaker 2>as I'm walking, stay behind me. And I think if

456
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<v Speaker 2>you can teach your dog to naturally walk behind you,

457
00:23:46.319 --> 00:23:49.880
<v Speaker 2>some dogs naturally walk behind you, and they those are

458
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<v Speaker 2>the dogs that already know that you're in charge. But

459
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<v Speaker 2>the ones that are constantly fighting you. Those are the

460
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<v Speaker 2>ones that need to change the relationship a little bit.

461
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<v Speaker 4>I can say that I became a real believer. I've

462
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<v Speaker 4>been with you many years, but I became a real

463
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<v Speaker 4>believer in understanding this is an instinctual position for dogs.

464
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<v Speaker 4>Is when I had three dogs, and I had a

465
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<v Speaker 4>very dominant cattle dog, and whenever we were out on

466
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<v Speaker 4>a walk, my other two dogs, Border Collie and Beagel

467
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<v Speaker 4>would never pass her tail. Never she was out in front,

468
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<v Speaker 4>and they would and if they even tried, she would

469
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<v Speaker 4>send them back to where they came from. They were

470
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<v Speaker 4>so happy on the walk because they didn't have to

471
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<v Speaker 4>do security detail. They could just be happy on a

472
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<v Speaker 4>walk and know that she had it covered. And so

473
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<v Speaker 4>that really made me understand how dogs view it when

474
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<v Speaker 4>we own that front position and we decide what's safe

475
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<v Speaker 4>and dangerous and they can just go along for the

476
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<v Speaker 4>walk with less anxiety or fear.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, I will tell you getting a dog

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<v Speaker 2>to walk non reactively on a leash, the first step

479
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<v Speaker 2>is is trying to get that dog behind you. You know,

480
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<v Speaker 2>we have many clients a dog on smart that come

481
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<v Speaker 2>to us every single day dealing with this subject. And

482
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<v Speaker 2>the what we first do is we first teach them

483
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<v Speaker 2>how to become a good life. And you can go

484
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<v Speaker 2>back on some of my other Canine Master radio shows

485
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<v Speaker 2>and learn how to be a good leader. Just just

486
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<v Speaker 2>go through the old shows we do talk about how

487
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<v Speaker 2>to become your dog's leader and how to lead the dog.

488
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<v Speaker 2>And let me just be very clear, leading the dog

489
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<v Speaker 2>is not becoming abusive or aggressive or we're going to

490
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<v Speaker 2>dominate you. It's not about that. It's about leading the dog.

491
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<v Speaker 2>Most dogs are looking to be guided or led, so

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to just address that. So but in our

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<v Speaker 2>classes we deal with this. People drop their dogs off

494
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<v Speaker 2>to us. Gosh, it seems every holiday, can you get

495
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<v Speaker 2>my dog to be non reactive on a leash? So

496
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<v Speaker 2>it's something that we do constantly, and I think that

497
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<v Speaker 2>it's a real, real, big problem. And what we do

498
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<v Speaker 2>is we teach the dog to walk in a let's

499
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<v Speaker 2>walk behind us until we release them out of positions.

500
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<v Speaker 2>So it's almost like a sit or a down position.

501
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<v Speaker 2>They stayed in that position until they're released to go

502
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<v Speaker 2>take a potty. And people go, oh gosh, they're gonna

503
00:25:55.799 --> 00:25:58.720
<v Speaker 2>be so miserable. They're not miserable. They are so much

504
00:25:58.759 --> 00:26:02.000
<v Speaker 2>happier and go ahead, happy and go lucky because they're

505
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<v Speaker 2>not in the decision making process we are. And the

506
00:26:05.200 --> 00:26:08.279
<v Speaker 2>dogs learn to They love their walks, they enjoy them,

507
00:26:08.599 --> 00:26:11.960
<v Speaker 2>but they're taking your lead and following you, and they

508
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<v Speaker 2>will never be aggressive behind you.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And I mean, even just a little example of

510
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<v Speaker 4>when we'll start a new class, we may have you know,

511
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<v Speaker 4>twelve people come in with dogs and everyone comes in

512
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<v Speaker 4>and that's why they're coming to us for help, and

513
00:26:25.240 --> 00:26:27.400
<v Speaker 4>all of their dogs are pulling them across the room

514
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<v Speaker 4>and they're letting their dogs pull them into the corner

515
00:26:29.759 --> 00:26:32.839
<v Speaker 4>and smell and sniff, And I'll say, everybody, stop, just

516
00:26:32.920 --> 00:26:35.599
<v Speaker 4>plant your feet, don't let your dogs decide where you go.

517
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<v Speaker 2>Just stop.

518
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<v Speaker 4>But my dog wants to go here, but my dog

519
00:26:38.720 --> 00:26:43.039
<v Speaker 4>wants to go there. Stop. And even that just saying, hey,

520
00:26:43.279 --> 00:26:45.440
<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna decide where we go when we go and

521
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<v Speaker 4>not let my dog pull me everywhere. That's just like

522
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<v Speaker 4>a little baby step to starting to be the decision

523
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<v Speaker 4>maker on the walk, even before you can get your

524
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<v Speaker 4>dog behind you. Is not to let them dictate where

525
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<v Speaker 4>to go all the time.

526
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, Jamie, there was one other question you

527
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<v Speaker 2>had for us.

528
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you know, maybe you can just explain to our listeners.

529
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<v Speaker 4>You know we say don't let your dogs meet on leash.

530
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<v Speaker 4>We can't drop the leash, and so can you just

531
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<v Speaker 4>give some pointers on an appropriate way for people to

532
00:27:10.920 --> 00:27:13.759
<v Speaker 4>safely introduce their dogs on leash to diminish that fight

533
00:27:13.839 --> 00:27:15.160
<v Speaker 4>or flight reflex.

534
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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so let me just say one thing that's really important.

535
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<v Speaker 2>Introducing two dogs on leash that don't know each other

536
00:27:22.640 --> 00:27:26.279
<v Speaker 2>is always a risky situation. I don't care. The dogs

537
00:27:26.279 --> 00:27:28.359
<v Speaker 2>always seem friendly and oh I never saw my dog

538
00:27:28.440 --> 00:27:31.440
<v Speaker 2>do that before putting your dog in that decision making

539
00:27:31.480 --> 00:27:35.359
<v Speaker 2>process and the dogs not knowing whether the other the dog,

540
00:27:35.400 --> 00:27:39.000
<v Speaker 2>how the other dogs would react. It's always risky. That said,

541
00:27:39.319 --> 00:27:40.880
<v Speaker 2>we're gonna do it anyway, aren't we? Way most of

542
00:27:40.960 --> 00:27:43.799
<v Speaker 2>us some of us will. And so here's some pointers.

543
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<v Speaker 2>Do you want to get your dog when you're introducing

544
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<v Speaker 2>him to another dog, make sure that that dog you're

545
00:27:49.920 --> 00:27:53.039
<v Speaker 2>not pulling on the leash and tensing on the leash.

546
00:27:53.319 --> 00:27:57.039
<v Speaker 2>When you pull on the leash, you're actually transmitting to

547
00:27:57.079 --> 00:28:00.000
<v Speaker 2>your dog. Hey, I'm nervous. So you want to add

548
00:28:00.039 --> 00:28:03.559
<v Speaker 2>a very jovial and friendly Oh what a good boy.

549
00:28:03.599 --> 00:28:05.680
<v Speaker 2>I always tell people to do the jolly routine, which

550
00:28:05.720 --> 00:28:08.000
<v Speaker 2>is a singing voice when they're starting to meet. Oh

551
00:28:08.039 --> 00:28:10.200
<v Speaker 2>what a good boy you are, say it in a

552
00:28:10.319 --> 00:28:14.839
<v Speaker 2>very happy, sing song voice. This relaxes the dog. The

553
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<v Speaker 2>next thing is don't hold your breath. Dogs here, especially

554
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<v Speaker 2>your own dog, here's you when you hold your breath,

555
00:28:21.559 --> 00:28:23.960
<v Speaker 2>and knows that you're nervous. So if you're nervous when

556
00:28:23.960 --> 00:28:26.640
<v Speaker 2>the dog is meeting another dog and the dog hears

557
00:28:26.680 --> 00:28:29.759
<v Speaker 2>you holding your breath and not breathing and not being happy,

558
00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:32.240
<v Speaker 2>the dog is going to sense there's something to be

559
00:28:32.319 --> 00:28:35.359
<v Speaker 2>nervous about and will many times become reactive.

560
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<v Speaker 4>Even if you know, clients will pull on the leash tighter,

561
00:28:37.839 --> 00:28:41.000
<v Speaker 4>they'll grab a harsher grip of the leash because they're nervous,

562
00:28:41.000 --> 00:28:43.960
<v Speaker 4>and the dogs will sense that. Then their owners are nervous,

563
00:28:44.000 --> 00:28:45.400
<v Speaker 4>and so then that can escalate.

564
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<v Speaker 2>That makes the whole situation worse. So slack in the leash.

565
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<v Speaker 2>You can guide your dog little pulls, but not a

566
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<v Speaker 2>constant pull. And if you're going to have them meet,

567
00:28:57.519 --> 00:29:01.240
<v Speaker 2>try to get your dog. The head to head part

568
00:29:01.640 --> 00:29:04.359
<v Speaker 2>is the dangerous part. Try to get your dog to

569
00:29:04.440 --> 00:29:07.000
<v Speaker 2>do a friendly greeting. And you know where a friendly

570
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<v Speaker 2>greeting is for dogs. This is going to sound kind

571
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<v Speaker 2>of disgusting. It's a butt sniff, a mutual butt sniff.

572
00:29:13.279 --> 00:29:16.839
<v Speaker 2>That's a friendly greeting. So I don't tell people do

573
00:29:16.880 --> 00:29:19.119
<v Speaker 2>this and when they're meeting people at cocktail parties, but

574
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<v Speaker 2>certainly when you are introducing your dog to another dog,

575
00:29:22.799 --> 00:29:24.920
<v Speaker 2>get them away from the face to face and get

576
00:29:24.960 --> 00:29:28.039
<v Speaker 2>them right to the rear end where they can sniff

577
00:29:28.079 --> 00:29:31.440
<v Speaker 2>each other's butts and do a friendly greeting. Then put

578
00:29:31.480 --> 00:29:35.680
<v Speaker 2>slack in the leash and hopefully at that point the

579
00:29:35.720 --> 00:29:38.359
<v Speaker 2>tension is over. So those are the ideas that I

580
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<v Speaker 2>would do if I'm going to go against Chris's advice

581
00:29:42.200 --> 00:29:45.079
<v Speaker 2>and introduce my dog to another dog on leash. Okay, great,

582
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<v Speaker 2>we do need to wrap up the show, Jamie, and

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to thank you so much for being

584
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<v Speaker 2>on the show today. Yeah, and I think we gave

585
00:29:52.559 --> 00:29:55.000
<v Speaker 2>some people some good pointers. You know, I'd love to

586
00:29:55.079 --> 00:29:57.480
<v Speaker 2>know your comments and have you join the conversation. And

587
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<v Speaker 2>you guys can always email me at Chris at canine

588
00:30:00.279 --> 00:30:03.319
<v Speaker 2>dot com and you know we'll be sure to answer

589
00:30:03.359 --> 00:30:06.319
<v Speaker 2>your questions. And yeah, and they can also email Jamie.

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<v Speaker 4>You can email me. I'm the training director at dog

591
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<v Speaker 4>on Smart. My emails Jamie j A, I M E

592
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<v Speaker 4>E at dog on smart dot com and we'll be happy.

593
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<v Speaker 2>To help you absolutely, so make sure to visit our website. Also,

594
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<v Speaker 2>it's kaninemaster dot com. We have a monthly newsletter that

595
00:30:23.839 --> 00:30:26.400
<v Speaker 2>is really informative and grated. You can sign up for that.

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<v Speaker 2>We may even have you, you know, call into the

597
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<v Speaker 2>show and with your questions. So send me your videos

598
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<v Speaker 2>and your photos so I can see what's going on

599
00:30:34.440 --> 00:30:37.240
<v Speaker 2>with your dog and help you fix your problems. So

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<v Speaker 2>Jamie and I say bye for now, and we'll see

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<v Speaker 2>you next time on Knine Maaster on pet Life Radio,

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<v Speaker 2>where I will continue to help you master the relationship

603
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<v Speaker 2>with your dog.

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<v Speaker 5>By for now, let's talk bets every week on demand

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