WEBVTT 1 00:00:25.359 --> 00:00:53.719 Calling all beings, y'all part of people. Put those hands 2 00:00:53.759 --> 00:00:57.960 together for calling all bees. I'm your host DJ, and 3 00:00:58.000 --> 00:01:04.519 can I get up everybody who's backstage that you're about 4 00:01:04.519 --> 00:01:07.400 to meet that's in the green room. We have an 5 00:01:07.439 --> 00:01:13.599 amazing panel built around my homegirl, Mizzi, who is the 6 00:01:13.719 --> 00:01:19.000 number one. She is the Tom Brady of Sandra burchmore support. 7 00:01:19.079 --> 00:01:22.040 So while this will be a little bit of a 8 00:01:22.040 --> 00:01:25.359 fun intruth, the seriousness of the topic of which we're 9 00:01:25.359 --> 00:01:28.439 about to tackle is not lost on me nor any 10 00:01:28.439 --> 00:01:31.280 of my guests. So keep that in mind, as we 11 00:01:31.439 --> 00:01:33.959 certainly will keep it in mind. Thank you Julie for 12 00:01:34.319 --> 00:01:37.120 manning the chat. There's a whole bunch of people here. 13 00:01:37.359 --> 00:01:41.079 We're gonna say hi to everybody tonight and we will 14 00:01:41.120 --> 00:01:45.640 get those questions in at the end. So it's gonna 15 00:01:45.680 --> 00:01:53.040 go round table portion, open conversation and chats and super 16 00:01:53.120 --> 00:01:56.439 chats and all that. And sometimes we may go right 17 00:01:56.480 --> 00:01:59.719 to super chats because you guys asked amazing questions last 18 00:01:59.719 --> 00:02:02.319 time that we had a round table, and it took 19 00:02:03.040 --> 00:02:05.319 like thirty minutes to get through through them all, and 20 00:02:05.400 --> 00:02:07.719 we were not gonna, uh, We're gonna make sure we 21 00:02:07.760 --> 00:02:11.159 honor all of them. So all right, let's let's get 22 00:02:11.280 --> 00:02:14.560 right to it. Let me make sure if the music 23 00:02:14.719 --> 00:02:19.120 is turned on, I don't want it to overshadow it 24 00:02:19.159 --> 00:02:24.560 looks like it is turned on. So this young lady 25 00:02:24.680 --> 00:02:28.360 right here, as I mentioned, is the number twelve. She 26 00:02:28.560 --> 00:02:33.319 is the Tom Brady of Sandra Birchmore, the champion of 27 00:02:33.360 --> 00:02:37.680 this cause, and someone whom everyone on this panel admires. 28 00:02:38.039 --> 00:02:42.680 So let's bring on Missy in the heavy life. 29 00:02:43.039 --> 00:02:47.159 Then Lizzy, everyone hows to go in? 30 00:02:49.080 --> 00:02:49.800 Can I get a. 31 00:02:53.039 --> 00:02:53.360 Missy? 32 00:02:55.400 --> 00:02:55.840 Amen? 33 00:02:57.039 --> 00:03:02.120 Thank you girl? All right, next up right here is 34 00:03:02.199 --> 00:03:04.120 my man. I don't know if you guys got to 35 00:03:04.120 --> 00:03:08.080 see him. If you watched any of last weekend's standouts, 36 00:03:08.639 --> 00:03:11.479 you were gonna see this gentleman. I believe that he 37 00:03:11.599 --> 00:03:15.840 was in debt him. You will hear his voice saying 38 00:03:16.360 --> 00:03:21.400 hello to the agreed party, Miss Karen Reid, and man, 39 00:03:21.479 --> 00:03:25.960 all the stuff that he's doing. We're not aware of 40 00:03:25.960 --> 00:03:28.159 all of it. We're aware of some of it. I 41 00:03:28.159 --> 00:03:30.080 don't know if you're aware of all of it. And 42 00:03:30.120 --> 00:03:32.000 I don't even know if anybody is. All the things 43 00:03:32.000 --> 00:03:35.240 that Peter is doing behind the scenes for this topic 44 00:03:35.280 --> 00:03:40.919 to bring justice to both of these ladies one unfortunately 45 00:03:40.919 --> 00:03:45.439 deceased Miss Sandra Birchmore, Karen Reid, who is fighting for 46 00:03:45.479 --> 00:03:49.800 her freedom, and of course Officer John o'keef, so put the. 47 00:03:50.000 --> 00:03:59.439 Hands together for Sergeant Peter Murphy. All right, hey man, brother, 48 00:04:00.120 --> 00:04:01.560 look at him all right? 49 00:04:01.599 --> 00:04:07.960 Without what not? Mandsome? All right, bring it, that's right. 50 00:04:08.319 --> 00:04:10.800 This man is ready. That's why Sean loves him so much. 51 00:04:11.080 --> 00:04:13.280 He's ready to go at any time. Man, He's not 52 00:04:13.439 --> 00:04:16.800 no cream puff. All right. Uh, let's mind this young 53 00:04:16.879 --> 00:04:20.600 lady right here. Oh my goodness, she's had a couple 54 00:04:20.639 --> 00:04:24.800 of amazing episodes. I tweeted one out the other day. 55 00:04:24.959 --> 00:04:29.040 I believe she had on day call name the producer 56 00:04:29.360 --> 00:04:32.879 for that show on barstool or as Missy might say, 57 00:04:32.879 --> 00:04:38.279 Batstool Sports, and those guys did just an incredible job. 58 00:04:38.560 --> 00:04:42.199 And the Case podcast the Case if you really want 59 00:04:42.240 --> 00:04:44.759 to get inside, and least in terms of audio, the 60 00:04:45.079 --> 00:04:49.480 most information about what happened with Sandra Burchmore. And and 61 00:04:49.560 --> 00:04:52.199 now it continues as we move forward, and we're going 62 00:04:52.319 --> 00:04:54.759 to get into that. But this young lady is an 63 00:04:54.800 --> 00:04:58.759 amazing content creator whom I admire, and she is absolute 64 00:04:58.879 --> 00:05:04.519 appointment listening. And I'm I'm really glad she's gonna be 65 00:05:04.560 --> 00:05:07.240 an upcoming guest on Calling Out beings where I'll get 66 00:05:07.279 --> 00:05:11.879 to ask her questions outside of we're on a terrible format, 67 00:05:12.079 --> 00:05:12.639 so part of. 68 00:05:12.600 --> 00:05:18.040 People put their hands together for the legal medical homie 69 00:05:18.120 --> 00:05:19.399 legend nurse. 70 00:05:19.240 --> 00:05:27.519 Can't hello everyone, DJ you you every single time, Okay, 71 00:05:27.560 --> 00:05:29.399 this is I'm not gonna be able to fit my 72 00:05:29.439 --> 00:05:32.560 head through a door with you telling giving me an 73 00:05:32.680 --> 00:05:34.759 entrance like this each and every time. 74 00:05:35.079 --> 00:05:36.199 I am so appreciative. 75 00:05:37.439 --> 00:05:39.720 You deserve it. I mean everybody here thinks the same 76 00:05:39.759 --> 00:05:42.800 thing when they watch the shows, whether it's on TikTok 77 00:05:42.839 --> 00:05:45.120 or YouTube. So yeah, I'm so glad you're going to 78 00:05:45.240 --> 00:05:49.680 join me for that other episode. This gentleman right here 79 00:05:51.160 --> 00:05:53.920 is another gentleman I kind of think of one of 80 00:05:53.959 --> 00:05:58.319 the hashtag Unafraid. Of course he's a grifter like me, 81 00:05:59.240 --> 00:06:08.240 but noted drip there. But he has just been on Twitter, 82 00:06:08.759 --> 00:06:13.560 appearing on people shows giving them his valuable time to defend. 83 00:06:14.000 --> 00:06:17.680 Now both of these women with what they went through 84 00:06:18.279 --> 00:06:21.720 and without him, I mean, what are our chances of 85 00:06:21.759 --> 00:06:24.560 getting on a legal mind like this. I mean they're 86 00:06:24.680 --> 00:06:27.319 very very slim. You know. We have Melanie Little who 87 00:06:27.360 --> 00:06:31.279 blessed us in the community. But there's Emily I believe 88 00:06:31.279 --> 00:06:36.240 her name is Emily D. Baker, who's amazing. But there 89 00:06:36.319 --> 00:06:40.199 they are very very few. So with that, we're glad 90 00:06:40.199 --> 00:06:43.480 to have him on for maybe his third appearance or second, 91 00:06:43.519 --> 00:06:46.160 I can't remember, but hopefully there'll be many more. 92 00:06:46.319 --> 00:06:52.399 Put your hands together for attorney, Mark, for Celtics fan 93 00:06:52.639 --> 00:06:54.560 is in the building. 94 00:06:56.560 --> 00:06:59.399 World champion, Celtics fan, thank you, But yeah. 95 00:06:59.199 --> 00:07:02.160 That's a world champ. You know what, do you have 96 00:07:02.199 --> 00:07:04.199 a number thirty three somewhere in your closet? 97 00:07:04.839 --> 00:07:05.319 Uh? 98 00:07:05.399 --> 00:07:08.319 Yeah, we do, but I guess maybe eighteen times world 99 00:07:08.399 --> 00:07:10.519 champion and the other numbers we should throw out or 100 00:07:10.560 --> 00:07:11.279 we'll just leave it. 101 00:07:11.319 --> 00:07:15.439 Is I Is this because I told you I was 102 00:07:15.480 --> 00:07:17.879 a Knicks fan? Is this what this is about? Mark? 103 00:07:17.959 --> 00:07:21.800 I get it absolutely. 104 00:07:23.319 --> 00:07:27.759 I'm surrounded by you know, Giants, Jets, Nicks, Mets, Yankees. 105 00:07:28.000 --> 00:07:31.079 So yeah, you had Red Hour back, we had Red Holtzman. 106 00:07:31.120 --> 00:07:32.439 What are you gonna do? You know what? Do we 107 00:07:32.519 --> 00:07:38.040 chop live over here? So anyway, all right, let's let's 108 00:07:38.079 --> 00:07:40.319 jump right into it. So we're gonna get into the 109 00:07:40.439 --> 00:07:44.279 round table. I thought I would kick us off with 110 00:07:44.360 --> 00:07:47.519 the question, uh and then and then we can take 111 00:07:47.560 --> 00:07:50.279 it around the horn. So I'm gonna pass it to Mizzy, 112 00:07:50.399 --> 00:07:53.279 She's gonna look to her left, pass it to Sergeant Murphy, 113 00:07:53.279 --> 00:07:55.800 who's gonna look down diagonally in our Brady Bunch square 114 00:07:55.839 --> 00:07:58.920 here and go to Attorney better Row and then onto 115 00:07:59.279 --> 00:08:06.240 legal medical egen nurse Kim. So my question to you, Missy, 116 00:08:06.600 --> 00:08:12.040 is who do you think will be implicated by Farwell, 117 00:08:12.199 --> 00:08:18.079 to the best of your knowledge and perhaps information, probably Robs. 118 00:08:18.879 --> 00:08:23.759 I mean, you know, I don't know how much he 119 00:08:23.800 --> 00:08:29.040 wants to implicate his brother, but definitely Robert Divine that 120 00:08:29.160 --> 00:08:31.920 might be the person to help his case a little bit, 121 00:08:32.200 --> 00:08:36.960 because you know, other witnesses have said to me that 122 00:08:37.600 --> 00:08:39.960 he's the one who groomed them, you know, to be 123 00:08:40.480 --> 00:08:43.639 to be predators. I mean, they always had it in them, 124 00:08:43.639 --> 00:08:49.679 but he took them under their his wing and helped them. Alonge, 125 00:08:50.519 --> 00:08:50.759 is it. 126 00:08:50.759 --> 00:08:54.600 You who mentioned on another show that his brother uh 127 00:08:54.679 --> 00:08:59.960 has has U was not let's say, he was not 128 00:09:00.159 --> 00:09:05.039 protect William or Billy was not protective of Matthew. Is 129 00:09:05.080 --> 00:09:09.519 that okay? I didn't know where I heard that, So 130 00:09:10.200 --> 00:09:12.799 we'll leave that to Peter Murphy. Peter, who do you 131 00:09:12.799 --> 00:09:14.519 think will be implicated. 132 00:09:14.000 --> 00:09:14.320 Sir. 133 00:09:16.320 --> 00:09:18.240 Uh, I probably would stick with. 134 00:09:20.879 --> 00:09:25.440 Probably gonna go after Bob Devine, right, because I would 135 00:09:25.519 --> 00:09:27.200 miss he just said pretty much. 136 00:09:27.320 --> 00:09:31.799 I don't know, Maybe he'll go after Maybe you'll have Bill. 137 00:09:31.840 --> 00:09:33.080 I don't I don't know. 138 00:09:33.440 --> 00:09:33.919 What do you think? 139 00:09:33.960 --> 00:09:36.519 I mean, is he gonna is he gonna roll? Is 140 00:09:36.519 --> 00:09:38.919 he gonna flip? Is he gonna vomit? Try to make 141 00:09:38.919 --> 00:09:39.440 his best deal? 142 00:09:39.559 --> 00:09:39.600 You? 143 00:09:39.720 --> 00:09:41.159 What do you think? What do you think is gonna 144 00:09:41.200 --> 00:09:42.000 be the outcome here? 145 00:09:42.840 --> 00:09:46.720 Yeah? Mark, Mark spoke about this with Melanie and Mark, 146 00:09:46.759 --> 00:09:48.799 I believe you said you didn't think that there was 147 00:09:48.919 --> 00:09:50.519 really good cause for him to flip. 148 00:09:52.080 --> 00:09:55.000 Well, the issue with him, I mean, death is on 149 00:09:55.080 --> 00:09:58.159 the table right now. That that's certainly a motivating factor 150 00:09:58.279 --> 00:10:01.840 to clap your but realistically it's not going to be 151 00:10:01.840 --> 00:10:05.200 a death penalty case. But even if he were to cooperate, 152 00:10:05.879 --> 00:10:10.559 he's going to have to do tantamount to life in prison. 153 00:10:10.720 --> 00:10:14.000 So is he willing to cooperate? I don't know as 154 00:10:14.000 --> 00:10:16.440 far as who could be next. This is going to 155 00:10:16.519 --> 00:10:18.480 sound like a cop out answer, but I don't know. 156 00:10:18.559 --> 00:10:20.960 I mean, we just don't know whether he's going to cooperate, 157 00:10:21.519 --> 00:10:25.639 whether he's even found to be credible if he does cooperate. 158 00:10:27.000 --> 00:10:31.200 Are they looking more at sex crimes that might not 159 00:10:31.480 --> 00:10:34.279 rise to the level obviously of these horror funding things 160 00:10:34.960 --> 00:10:39.840 that happened to Sandra Birchmore And are there statutal limitations 161 00:10:39.840 --> 00:10:44.840 issues how serious or unseerious the crimes are, or are 162 00:10:44.879 --> 00:10:49.159 they looking at some of the people who investigated this. Again, 163 00:10:49.279 --> 00:10:52.799 this is all speculation, but you'd have to think that 164 00:10:53.159 --> 00:10:57.559 the US Attorney is concerned with some of the conduct 165 00:10:57.600 --> 00:10:59.759 that occurred from the state police. 166 00:10:59.879 --> 00:11:02.080 I think that, you know, one of the obvious people 167 00:11:02.120 --> 00:11:03.039 with that is. 168 00:11:03.000 --> 00:11:06.840 The cell phone guy who couldn't Guarino, who couldn't pick 169 00:11:06.919 --> 00:11:10.919 up a lot of this evidence apparently, and he failed 170 00:11:10.919 --> 00:11:14.799 to pick up some pretty significant evidence from Jennifer McCabe's 171 00:11:14.840 --> 00:11:18.279 phone in Karon Reid. So, you know, I think that's 172 00:11:18.320 --> 00:11:21.759 a possibility. But in all fairness, you know, we're speculating. 173 00:11:21.840 --> 00:11:24.879 I don't know what else they already know, and who 174 00:11:24.919 --> 00:11:28.320 else has already come in, where else they're looking and 175 00:11:28.559 --> 00:11:31.120 the detail I mean, the indictment was what four pages, 176 00:11:31.679 --> 00:11:35.360 which is about as thin a federal indictment as you'll 177 00:11:35.360 --> 00:11:38.200 ever see. There were some affidavits for the detention hearing 178 00:11:38.240 --> 00:11:41.600 that you saw some things, but the universe of knowledge 179 00:11:41.600 --> 00:11:43.840 that they shared and the documents that have been filed 180 00:11:44.120 --> 00:11:48.039 is nothing. So God only knows what else is going 181 00:11:48.080 --> 00:11:51.279 on and what they know. But as far as who's next. 182 00:11:51.120 --> 00:11:51.559 I don't know. 183 00:11:53.840 --> 00:11:55.480 Good ca. I mean, yeah, I heard we had two 184 00:11:55.559 --> 00:11:58.200 Robert devines. We'll see what Nurse Kim's thinking. I just 185 00:11:58.200 --> 00:12:00.279 want to say, Peter, I went to mut it on 186 00:12:00.320 --> 00:12:05.080 your mic simply because our voices are coming out of 187 00:12:05.120 --> 00:12:07.960 the speakers of your laptop and in through the mic. 188 00:12:08.080 --> 00:12:10.679 So when you're when you want to say something, whenever 189 00:12:10.720 --> 00:12:13.000 it is, if you need to interrupt whatever, just hit 190 00:12:13.039 --> 00:12:18.039 unmute on your microphone. Can see that that's right here. 191 00:12:19.399 --> 00:12:21.639 This is a new setup. Is there anything I can 192 00:12:21.679 --> 00:12:22.679 do to make this? 193 00:12:22.759 --> 00:12:25.559 No? Just no, We'll just have to get you some earbuds. 194 00:12:25.559 --> 00:12:28.799 Once you get earbuds, that all the sound and the 195 00:12:28.879 --> 00:12:31.279 voice will be in your ear and not because right now, 196 00:12:31.360 --> 00:12:34.039 can you it's coming out of your laptop speakers and 197 00:12:34.240 --> 00:12:37.960 in through your laptop microphone, So we're getting that feedback 198 00:12:38.000 --> 00:12:39.799 to watch when I get rid of it. When I 199 00:12:39.879 --> 00:12:43.240 go like this, you can't hear it now. Test test tests, 200 00:12:43.480 --> 00:12:45.679 so just just hit this on mute when you want 201 00:12:45.720 --> 00:12:50.600 to talk. Can you see that I do? Okay? All right, brother, 202 00:12:51.559 --> 00:12:56.159 all right? Also I want Roami thank you so much, Homie. 203 00:12:56.279 --> 00:13:01.000 I greatly appreciate the the nineteen ninety nine. Greatly appreciate it. 204 00:13:01.480 --> 00:13:03.480 Uh And if you have questions, please let me know 205 00:13:03.519 --> 00:13:06.440 and we will get to it. Nurse kim ma'am. Who 206 00:13:06.480 --> 00:13:08.080 do you think is implicated? Next? 207 00:13:08.080 --> 00:13:08.279 Man? 208 00:13:08.960 --> 00:13:10.919 Yeah, So I'm just gonna go a little bit different 209 00:13:11.080 --> 00:13:14.720 and I'm just i'd love to see where we're gonna 210 00:13:14.759 --> 00:13:19.360 be with Chief McNamara if there is going to be 211 00:13:19.559 --> 00:13:25.639 any evidence that perhaps other things were going on in 212 00:13:25.679 --> 00:13:27.960 the department that he would like to say, you know, 213 00:13:28.039 --> 00:13:30.159 she's no, she's known about all of it. 214 00:13:30.240 --> 00:13:32.039 If so, again, it's all speculation. 215 00:13:32.720 --> 00:13:35.480 But at the end of the day, she was supposed 216 00:13:35.480 --> 00:13:39.080 to be the oversight divine was above farewell. But then 217 00:13:39.279 --> 00:13:42.399 you know, Chief McNamara has to take accountability at the 218 00:13:42.440 --> 00:13:45.799 end of the day. So I would like to, uh 219 00:13:45.960 --> 00:13:47.960 see if that pans out to anything. 220 00:13:48.120 --> 00:13:53.679 In my opinion, Uh that that that that totally that 221 00:13:53.759 --> 00:13:57.559 totally makes sense of the way, you know, we could 222 00:13:57.639 --> 00:14:00.879 we could see things go. Uh just wait and also 223 00:14:01.519 --> 00:14:04.679 you know there was word yesterday about possible shake ups 224 00:14:04.720 --> 00:14:09.879 in both those departments, according to Sean and and I 225 00:14:09.919 --> 00:14:12.879 believe that it was Javier Basquez. I just want to 226 00:14:12.879 --> 00:14:16.279 say hello. Something in the chat I love this perscutto song, 227 00:14:16.320 --> 00:14:23.000 which what's thank you? That is so awesome? So anyway, 228 00:14:23.039 --> 00:14:29.759 anybody here not like perscutto anyway. 229 00:14:28.879 --> 00:14:30.000 Just one thing. 230 00:14:30.000 --> 00:14:32.080 There's a lot of discussion in the chat about, oh, 231 00:14:32.120 --> 00:14:35.440 he waived this attention hearing. That's because there's a new lawyer, 232 00:14:35.440 --> 00:14:39.000 and the new lawyer wants to be credible, obviously asking 233 00:14:39.039 --> 00:14:41.840 for bail at this moment on behalf of a guy 234 00:14:41.879 --> 00:14:45.279 who was indicted for the crime that he was and 235 00:14:45.320 --> 00:14:50.200 then staging a suicide and potentially facing charges for killing 236 00:14:50.240 --> 00:14:52.600 an unborn child. He's not getting released. 237 00:14:52.639 --> 00:14:53.480 He's going to be held. 238 00:14:53.840 --> 00:14:57.399 The lawyer is simply being credible. It's a feudal argument. 239 00:14:57.960 --> 00:15:00.799 Perhaps at the future date they'll they'll do that when 240 00:15:00.840 --> 00:15:04.200 they get prepared, but probably not. This guy's going to 241 00:15:04.240 --> 00:15:09.679 be rotting in federal custody, probably for the next several decades. 242 00:15:09.759 --> 00:15:12.960 But it's not he's not waiving a hearing because he's 243 00:15:13.080 --> 00:15:16.759 rolling over, or the lawyer is stupid, or he doesn't 244 00:15:16.759 --> 00:15:20.039 want this. It's the lawyer making that decision, saying this 245 00:15:20.159 --> 00:15:23.799 is not credible and you have no credibility, and only 246 00:15:23.840 --> 00:15:26.279 the lawyer can even make you look remotely credible in 247 00:15:26.320 --> 00:15:29.600 that situation, and asking for bail for this guy is 248 00:15:29.759 --> 00:15:30.879 just ridiculous. 249 00:15:30.960 --> 00:15:31.879 So that's all that is. 250 00:15:31.960 --> 00:15:34.919 I wouldn't read into it meaning anything more than the 251 00:15:35.000 --> 00:15:37.639 lawyer telling the client we can't ask for bail right now. 252 00:15:37.679 --> 00:15:45.879 That's crazy, no pun intended. Sandra, Excuse me, look at that. 253 00:15:45.919 --> 00:15:49.480 I just called missy Sandra. This is so weird. I 254 00:15:49.600 --> 00:15:51.519 told you I'm totally ready to hook you up with 255 00:15:51.559 --> 00:15:54.399 the medium who can communicate with Sandra, even though I 256 00:15:54.440 --> 00:15:58.399 know he's already you sent you communications in the mornings. 257 00:15:58.679 --> 00:16:07.360 But anyway, what's your topic, hypothesis or question? My friend? 258 00:16:07.639 --> 00:16:12.320 I want to talk about uh Morrisey's office, and it's 259 00:16:12.360 --> 00:16:18.679 specifically Lieutenant Fanning because I'm trying to say this in 260 00:16:18.720 --> 00:16:24.399 a nice way. He's a liar. I could specifically speak 261 00:16:24.440 --> 00:16:28.080 to that because I spoke to him and one of 262 00:16:28.120 --> 00:16:32.039 the things that he lied about to me specifically was 263 00:16:32.080 --> 00:16:37.679 he said, oh, Farewell was really careful in his communications 264 00:16:37.720 --> 00:16:41.639 with Sandra. He wasn't saying much at all in texts. 265 00:16:41.679 --> 00:16:45.480 He was very very careful, and him and I went 266 00:16:45.759 --> 00:16:48.200 around and round, and I kept bringing it back up 267 00:16:48.240 --> 00:16:50.440 that I thought she was murdered, and he said, oh, no, 268 00:16:50.639 --> 00:16:53.279 I know what you know, I know I know what 269 00:16:53.960 --> 00:16:56.879 she was. She killed herself. I you know, I've seen 270 00:16:56.919 --> 00:16:59.799 thousands and tons and not necessarily thousands, but tons and 271 00:17:00.000 --> 00:17:04.359 tons of suicides and trust me, trust me, she killed herself. 272 00:17:04.839 --> 00:17:08.759 And he also said, uh, I forgot what I was 273 00:17:08.759 --> 00:17:11.960 gonna say. He also said that, you know, Sandra was 274 00:17:12.079 --> 00:17:14.359 very secretive, and I said that's because of the grooming, 275 00:17:14.839 --> 00:17:17.920 and he's like, yeah, but you know, she was very secretive, 276 00:17:18.359 --> 00:17:21.720 and you know she was messed up. So I want 277 00:17:21.799 --> 00:17:24.119 I want him to get a lot to eat because 278 00:17:24.359 --> 00:17:27.279 he lied to me, he lied to the family and 279 00:17:27.880 --> 00:17:31.200 repeatedly lied to Sandra's family. 280 00:17:32.920 --> 00:17:37.920 Sergeant Murphy, John So John, John, Fanny, your your thoughts 281 00:17:37.920 --> 00:17:40.880 saw John Fanning, Sergeant Murphy and he got unmute. Now 282 00:17:42.759 --> 00:17:44.799 you see of that? 283 00:17:45.640 --> 00:17:50.200 Yes we got to go, Yeah, yes, sir, Yeah, I 284 00:17:50.240 --> 00:17:53.960 think he's got I think he's got some huge culpability here, 285 00:17:54.599 --> 00:17:57.880 the investigation, the crime scene search. 286 00:17:59.759 --> 00:18:01.440 What the hell is he doing with a case that 287 00:18:01.480 --> 00:18:01.880 he was. 288 00:18:01.880 --> 00:18:06.079 Working, you know, in the same department, and then that 289 00:18:06.200 --> 00:18:08.640 goes back to what Missie was just talking about. As 290 00:18:08.640 --> 00:18:12.119 far as looking at Marssy, I mean, what is Marsy 291 00:18:12.279 --> 00:18:16.000 doing putting a family friend like Proctor in charge of 292 00:18:16.039 --> 00:18:18.720 one case and now putting Fanny Fanning in charge of 293 00:18:18.759 --> 00:18:22.559 a case that he worked with the suspects in. I mean, 294 00:18:22.599 --> 00:18:24.720 it just it just flies in the face of reason, 295 00:18:24.920 --> 00:18:31.640 and I think he's he's got a real problem. Who knows, 296 00:18:31.680 --> 00:18:38.799 maybe that'll be where. 297 00:18:36.000 --> 00:18:38.839 Where Farwell goes with his first flip. I don't know. 298 00:18:38.920 --> 00:18:40.799 There could be other players. 299 00:18:40.440 --> 00:18:44.279 As as Mark said, there could be other players, even another. 300 00:18:47.160 --> 00:18:48.880 Sorr. We just got Suzanna here. 301 00:18:51.319 --> 00:18:52.559 I might have given you a little. 302 00:18:52.400 --> 00:18:56.279 Nice I thank you. I didn't see you at the 303 00:18:56.319 --> 00:18:59.200 bottom of the screen, so thank you. I'm so glad 304 00:18:59.200 --> 00:19:02.079 you're here and you'll be able to go right after, 305 00:19:02.599 --> 00:19:05.680 right after Peter Murphy, I'm sorry if I interrupted you. Peter, 306 00:19:05.799 --> 00:19:07.079 are you were you? 307 00:19:09.400 --> 00:19:12.160 I think I pretty much got to where I wanted 308 00:19:12.160 --> 00:19:12.559 to go with that. 309 00:19:12.680 --> 00:19:15.960 That Fannings got some huge culpability here, and as and 310 00:19:16.079 --> 00:19:19.599 he ties it if they say that the fish rots 311 00:19:19.599 --> 00:19:23.000 from the head back or the head down, I guess 312 00:19:23.000 --> 00:19:26.920 that puts Marcy at the head, but fannings Fanning somewhere. 313 00:19:26.640 --> 00:19:30.720 In the middle. Yeah, I'd like I'm going to extrapolate 314 00:19:30.799 --> 00:19:33.240 on this when we get to Nurse Kim, or at 315 00:19:33.319 --> 00:19:37.279 least extrapolate on uh Missy's question we get to Nurse Kim. 316 00:19:37.480 --> 00:19:40.559 But before that, welcome missus Ann. It's an honor to 317 00:19:40.599 --> 00:19:43.319 have you on calling all beings. And did you hear 318 00:19:43.400 --> 00:19:46.279 the Missy's question when you were in the when you 319 00:19:46.319 --> 00:19:47.400 were in the chat. 320 00:19:48.079 --> 00:19:50.599 Oh, I've been I've been waiting with baited breath. Don't worry. 321 00:19:50.640 --> 00:19:51.839 I'm on. 322 00:19:52.400 --> 00:19:56.960 I'm on every every bit of it. Don't you worry. 323 00:19:57.680 --> 00:20:00.599 And I if I may, it's some point I want 324 00:20:00.599 --> 00:20:03.200 to piggyback off of those points. 325 00:20:03.799 --> 00:20:07.000 Yes, you're going to go after Peter brings up his topic. 326 00:20:07.119 --> 00:20:12.039 Your topic is next, so go ahead. 327 00:20:12.079 --> 00:20:13.000 Uh what so? 328 00:20:13.319 --> 00:20:15.319 Did you have anything you wanted to add on Fanning 329 00:20:15.440 --> 00:20:17.519 or did you want us to go to go to Mark? 330 00:20:22.039 --> 00:20:23.799 Oh she's a mute. 331 00:20:25.000 --> 00:20:27.200 You said, Well, you said, Peter, I'm ready to go. 332 00:20:27.200 --> 00:20:29.240 When have a re Peter was still finishing the point. 333 00:20:29.559 --> 00:20:30.839 I believe he was finished. 334 00:20:31.240 --> 00:20:32.160 I'm done with Fanning. 335 00:20:33.359 --> 00:20:41.839 Okay, I'm not done with Fanning. So in terms of it, 336 00:20:42.680 --> 00:20:45.880 I guess a procedural question, if you will, was Fanning 337 00:20:46.319 --> 00:20:49.200 assigned to the role as lead detective in this case 338 00:20:49.319 --> 00:20:55.920 or did he insinuate himself via you know, it's sort 339 00:20:55.920 --> 00:20:59.480 of declaring a working knowledge of the facts of the 340 00:20:59.519 --> 00:21:03.240 town from that Sander was from and police programs, et cetera, 341 00:21:03.799 --> 00:21:07.400 knowing the players in the case. Or did he have 342 00:21:07.480 --> 00:21:11.880 to say, you know, or did his supervisor assign him 343 00:21:11.880 --> 00:21:15.160 to it and then it just went awry from there 344 00:21:15.480 --> 00:21:22.240 because the supervisor being detective, Sorry, is it lieutenant detective 345 00:21:22.319 --> 00:21:26.680 or the other way around? Gerard Metalliano who has since retired. 346 00:21:26.720 --> 00:21:28.240 I think he retired mid case. 347 00:21:28.279 --> 00:21:32.920 Actually, Peter, if you want to weigh in on that, 348 00:21:33.000 --> 00:21:37.200 I don't know if you have let's see. There you go, okay, 349 00:21:37.240 --> 00:21:39.359 you're you're you're man, there you go. What are you 350 00:21:39.400 --> 00:21:39.799 looking for? 351 00:21:39.839 --> 00:21:41.880 I'm sorry, then you're looking for the name on on 352 00:21:41.960 --> 00:21:42.599 that Oliano. 353 00:21:43.640 --> 00:21:46.480 No, no, no, I I'm down with Mettaliano. I'm wondering 354 00:21:46.480 --> 00:21:50.000 did he did he make Fanning, you know, take this 355 00:21:50.079 --> 00:21:52.880 case or you know Fanning and done for that matter, 356 00:21:53.000 --> 00:21:55.079 or was it just a sign in the due course 357 00:21:55.160 --> 00:21:58.720 of today, here's where you are, you know here, here 358 00:21:58.799 --> 00:22:02.160 is where you're going, because I think it's an important 359 00:22:02.240 --> 00:22:07.279 point whether or not he insinuated himself, sort of in 360 00:22:07.440 --> 00:22:12.519 Procter style, as being somebody who could contribute something which 361 00:22:13.200 --> 00:22:16.160 we now know is obviously the opposite. 362 00:22:16.920 --> 00:22:18.799 I can only speculate that. 363 00:22:18.920 --> 00:22:23.799 I mean, you know, there's ahead of that DA's office 364 00:22:23.839 --> 00:22:25.920 who we know who it is. And I don't think 365 00:22:26.000 --> 00:22:29.839 anybody should be in a position to just insert themselves 366 00:22:29.839 --> 00:22:30.880 into an investigation. 367 00:22:31.039 --> 00:22:32.920 I think they have to be assigned. 368 00:22:33.319 --> 00:22:36.839 Rightly or wrongly, and I would say that had to 369 00:22:36.880 --> 00:22:41.440 come from the top, and shame on them for allowing it. 370 00:22:42.880 --> 00:22:46.720 Okay, well, while we're still on that topic, you know, 371 00:22:46.920 --> 00:22:50.319 Gerard Mettaliano seemed to have a pretty vast knowledge of 372 00:22:52.480 --> 00:22:56.839 similarly conflicted cases that were fraught with issues such as 373 00:22:57.480 --> 00:22:59.960 I don't know who's familiar with the Brian Johnson case 374 00:23:00.240 --> 00:23:03.880 out of out of Millis. Metaliano was in charge of 375 00:23:03.920 --> 00:23:08.359 investigating this gentleman who was very new to the force, 376 00:23:08.480 --> 00:23:11.000 and he was in a relationship with a with a 377 00:23:11.079 --> 00:23:15.960 high school girl, and at some point, while he was 378 00:23:16.000 --> 00:23:21.079 being reprimanded that the relationship was not a good look, 379 00:23:21.440 --> 00:23:24.400 he had a public meltdown shot up his cruiser in 380 00:23:24.880 --> 00:23:27.880 this grandiose effort to draw attention to himself and become 381 00:23:27.920 --> 00:23:34.559 a victim, and Talliano was to summarize it the sort 382 00:23:34.599 --> 00:23:37.279 of bad cop in the room versus I don't remember 383 00:23:37.279 --> 00:23:40.440 who the good cop was vetting this guy and eventually 384 00:23:40.480 --> 00:23:44.799 bringing him down. So given his knowledge of situations of 385 00:23:44.839 --> 00:23:49.039 that ilk, didn't he see anything wrong with this investigation? 386 00:23:52.160 --> 00:23:55.319 That's an interesting I hadn't heard him, referenced, sir. 387 00:23:55.920 --> 00:23:57.720 I was just gonna say with a big y e 388 00:23:57.839 --> 00:24:00.480 s he must should have. 389 00:24:02.359 --> 00:24:07.359 Thank you for adding that context. Mark, would you have 390 00:24:07.359 --> 00:24:12.960 anything on Fanning or what Miss Susanne just said. 391 00:24:14.000 --> 00:24:16.039 I mean, this guy's going to be the poster child 392 00:24:16.240 --> 00:24:20.440 of a disastrous investigation. The same way Michael Proctor is 393 00:24:20.680 --> 00:24:24.720 anonymous with the Cameron Reid investigation. I mean it's his investigation. 394 00:24:25.599 --> 00:24:30.119 He did a terrible job. He obviously missed a lot 395 00:24:30.160 --> 00:24:31.960 of signs as well as with other people. 396 00:24:32.640 --> 00:24:34.400 And the proof is in the pudding. 397 00:24:34.279 --> 00:24:37.680 Just on the way he did his work and the 398 00:24:38.039 --> 00:24:41.720 lack of professionalism in certain parts, which is only going 399 00:24:41.759 --> 00:24:45.559 to make the community feel less secure or less comfortable, 400 00:24:46.079 --> 00:24:48.559 and how the policing is there and The only example 401 00:24:48.640 --> 00:24:53.359 you need is when they first find, you know, a 402 00:24:53.400 --> 00:25:00.599 young lady, you know, terribly apparently hanging herself on a doorknob. 403 00:25:00.880 --> 00:25:06.240 It's understandable that you would have an initial literally night 404 00:25:06.279 --> 00:25:08.400 of incident, working theory that this. 405 00:25:08.599 --> 00:25:10.720 Looks to be a suicide. 406 00:25:10.759 --> 00:25:12.839 But you know, you go where the facts are, you 407 00:25:13.160 --> 00:25:15.880 don't reach a conclusion, and then kind of put the 408 00:25:15.920 --> 00:25:18.519 square peg in the round hole, and they just missed 409 00:25:18.640 --> 00:25:22.519 in him, as the lead investigator, missed so many signs. 410 00:25:22.559 --> 00:25:25.759 But I think what you can't avert your eyes to 411 00:25:26.160 --> 00:25:30.799 are at some point when you know that this guy Farewell, 412 00:25:31.599 --> 00:25:35.039 if nothing else, is just a dirt bag for what 413 00:25:35.119 --> 00:25:37.319 he was doing with a child, the way he was 414 00:25:37.759 --> 00:25:39.680 grooming her, having relations with her. 415 00:25:39.799 --> 00:25:40.559 He's married. 416 00:25:41.599 --> 00:25:45.200 I mean, he held his newborn child apparently, we now know, 417 00:25:46.079 --> 00:25:50.119 within a short period of time after apparently killing his 418 00:25:50.160 --> 00:25:55.920 own unborn child apparently. But this is all going to 419 00:25:55.920 --> 00:25:58.000 come back to him when you look at the report 420 00:25:58.039 --> 00:26:00.960 that he filed in this case, with his interview of 421 00:26:01.079 --> 00:26:04.680 Matt Okay in a. 422 00:26:04.000 --> 00:26:05.079 Parking lot. 423 00:26:06.400 --> 00:26:10.880 In an investigation of a suspicious death suicide, whichever it was, 424 00:26:11.519 --> 00:26:16.160 and for the state Police not even to say officer farewell, 425 00:26:16.960 --> 00:26:20.519 come to the department and do a formal interview in 426 00:26:20.559 --> 00:26:23.799 the DA's office. Right, They were more than willing to 427 00:26:23.880 --> 00:26:27.880 offer up, you know, facilities during other cases and whatnot. 428 00:26:28.079 --> 00:26:28.839 That's what you do. 429 00:26:29.960 --> 00:26:35.759 He's not Matt. The report itself is comically thin. It 430 00:26:35.799 --> 00:26:39.240 appears to be very self serving. You know, it certainly 431 00:26:39.279 --> 00:26:44.519 contains information which is disparaging, if that's the right word 432 00:26:44.640 --> 00:26:48.960 of Sandra, whether the facts are true or not. You know, 433 00:26:49.079 --> 00:26:52.559 obviously the things that he said to Missy, I can't 434 00:26:52.599 --> 00:26:55.519 speak to any of that, but that that sounds terrible. 435 00:26:56.279 --> 00:26:59.880 And at the end of the day, if they were 436 00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:03.160 having problems and he's the lead investigator, and you know, 437 00:27:03.200 --> 00:27:05.440 we can't get into the cell phone that you know, 438 00:27:06.599 --> 00:27:09.200 the other agency had no problem getting into the same 439 00:27:09.240 --> 00:27:12.160 way the other agency had no problem getting into in 440 00:27:12.279 --> 00:27:15.599 Karen Reid's case and in other cases. Why didn't they 441 00:27:15.680 --> 00:27:18.960 seek that other agency's help to get into the phone 442 00:27:19.680 --> 00:27:22.880 and this investigation, Why didn't they ask more questions or 443 00:27:22.920 --> 00:27:27.200 see more things that were disturbing which clearly suggested that 444 00:27:27.279 --> 00:27:29.839 this did not appear to be a suicide, based on 445 00:27:30.480 --> 00:27:34.799 her demeanor, her happiness about having a new child. Interview, 446 00:27:34.920 --> 00:27:38.359 These witnesses. It appears to be one giant whitewash for 447 00:27:38.440 --> 00:27:40.799 whatever reason, I don't know why. I don't know why 448 00:27:40.839 --> 00:27:44.480 they would be so quick to just dismiss a serious 449 00:27:44.519 --> 00:27:48.200 investigation like this, But at the end of the day, 450 00:27:49.519 --> 00:27:52.160 you know he's the Michael Procter of this when this 451 00:27:52.279 --> 00:27:55.839 goes sideways, so sucks for him, I guess. 452 00:27:57.480 --> 00:28:00.920 And before we toss this over to Nurse case In, Glare, 453 00:28:02.000 --> 00:28:05.119 thank you for showing up. It's pleasure to have you 454 00:28:05.160 --> 00:28:07.720 back here in the chat. If you would please check 455 00:28:07.839 --> 00:28:10.920 your or if you'd follow me, I want to DM 456 00:28:10.960 --> 00:28:13.160 you because I would like to get you on calling 457 00:28:13.160 --> 00:28:16.279 all beings as well, So thank you for stopping in again, sir. 458 00:28:16.400 --> 00:28:19.319 I also watch your show and come in the chat 459 00:28:19.720 --> 00:28:22.640 and Miss Jessica and b check your dms as well, 460 00:28:22.680 --> 00:28:25.559 because we're supposed to finalize a date for you to 461 00:28:25.599 --> 00:28:28.759 be on CAP so with if you do that, please, 462 00:28:29.680 --> 00:28:32.119 if you follow me, Glair, I can d M you. 463 00:28:32.160 --> 00:28:34.720 We'd get you get you set up on here U 464 00:28:35.000 --> 00:28:39.880 and Jessica as well, and Nurse Kim. I felt like 465 00:28:40.000 --> 00:28:41.640 I just want to put a little bit of a 466 00:28:41.680 --> 00:28:46.200 spin on this. I've really admired of that that episode 467 00:28:46.240 --> 00:28:48.960 where I want to say it was Turtle Boy, Kirk 468 00:28:49.319 --> 00:28:53.640 and Dave, which was an outstanding episode. But I it 469 00:28:53.720 --> 00:28:57.160 seems like Kirk is a little bit too charitable in 470 00:28:57.279 --> 00:29:01.119 terms of what Fannings and tensions might or might not 471 00:29:01.160 --> 00:29:03.839 have been. I think Mark is a little more charitable, 472 00:29:04.079 --> 00:29:07.240 and I think everything's purposeful. I don't think things were 473 00:29:07.319 --> 00:29:11.240 mistake were mistaken. I think they were done for cause. 474 00:29:11.559 --> 00:29:13.279 But what's your take on that? Man? 475 00:29:14.839 --> 00:29:20.640 Yeah, So I respect Kirkmanahan, I respect Dave Colinane, and 476 00:29:20.720 --> 00:29:24.599 I respect heavily Mizzy and Suzanne. This is my first 477 00:29:24.599 --> 00:29:28.279 time getting to internet meet you, and I just wanted 478 00:29:28.279 --> 00:29:32.119 to say thank you so much for all of your activism, 479 00:29:32.359 --> 00:29:35.440 for you never stopping, and for you keeping the pressure 480 00:29:35.519 --> 00:29:38.880 and the pedal like to the metal and we're. 481 00:29:38.759 --> 00:29:39.279 On our way. 482 00:29:39.400 --> 00:29:41.200 You know you guys, and it's all because of you. 483 00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:42.920 So you know, just round book base. 484 00:29:48.200 --> 00:29:48.599 Amen. 485 00:29:50.920 --> 00:29:54.000 So, just as it relates to Fanning, I've spoken with Dave, 486 00:29:54.440 --> 00:29:56.799 you know, off we've gotten you know, him and I 487 00:29:56.839 --> 00:29:59.240 are very close. We work on our show together and 488 00:29:59.279 --> 00:30:01.480 he's like a little annoying brother that I never wanted 489 00:30:01.519 --> 00:30:07.279 but I have, So we are aware of conversations that 490 00:30:07.359 --> 00:30:12.759 have occurred with Fanning talking, you know, to directly to 491 00:30:13.079 --> 00:30:17.880 Dave and Kirk, saying that women are emotional, okay, when 492 00:30:18.000 --> 00:30:23.039 relating this to Sandra Birchmore's apparent suicide at the time, 493 00:30:23.680 --> 00:30:26.799 women are emotional and that she made an impulse decision 494 00:30:27.079 --> 00:30:32.079 and like basically look the other way. He told the guys, 495 00:30:32.839 --> 00:30:36.319 what are you doing? Like why do you keep pursuing this? 496 00:30:36.599 --> 00:30:39.680 She did this to herself, like, you know, get over it. 497 00:30:39.759 --> 00:30:40.359 That's enough. 498 00:30:40.960 --> 00:30:43.640 And I think that at the end of the day, 499 00:30:43.720 --> 00:30:47.720 Michael Proctor is going to look like t ball. 500 00:30:47.960 --> 00:30:50.319 Compared to the Boston Red Sox of what. 501 00:30:50.319 --> 00:31:00.279 Fanning's incredible negligence, his malfeasance, and potentially his collusion with 502 00:31:01.039 --> 00:31:04.200 the Department of Stoughton to make. 503 00:31:04.079 --> 00:31:06.640 This go away and not be a headache for them. 504 00:31:07.039 --> 00:31:12.079 I also want to remind everyone that troop of Fanning 505 00:31:13.039 --> 00:31:19.279 had access to thousands of text messages, not Burno. It 506 00:31:19.359 --> 00:31:22.319 was found from Sandra Birchmore's laptop. It was all in 507 00:31:22.319 --> 00:31:27.119 her cloud, thousands of messages and texts. And when I 508 00:31:27.279 --> 00:31:32.079 lined up the AffA David to the Stoughton the Town 509 00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:36.759 of Stoughton report from twenty twenty two, there is the 510 00:31:36.839 --> 00:31:41.759 line where Matthew Fowell is admitting to a statutory rape 511 00:31:41.839 --> 00:31:45.720 of fifteen year old Sandra Birchmore that was heavily redacted 512 00:31:46.039 --> 00:31:49.039 but by dates and the only context of me too 513 00:31:49.759 --> 00:31:52.960 at the end of the sentence that was a response 514 00:31:53.039 --> 00:31:56.480 from Fowell that lines up exactly to one of the 515 00:31:56.480 --> 00:31:59.200 forty five pages. I believe it's page eight of the 516 00:31:59.279 --> 00:32:03.400 FBI after David. With that being said, there is no 517 00:32:03.599 --> 00:32:07.559 innocent explanation to that they knew about it. 518 00:32:07.839 --> 00:32:10.440 They did nothing, and they. 519 00:32:10.400 --> 00:32:15.599 Have this blood literally on their hands, in my opinion. 520 00:32:16.920 --> 00:32:20.759 And that is awesome. Me I, I have to agree 521 00:32:20.799 --> 00:32:24.880 with you. I don't think there is innocence or or 522 00:32:25.039 --> 00:32:27.480 mouth east and so I think everything was done with 523 00:32:28.160 --> 00:32:30.720 How do we how are we going to just think likely? 524 00:32:31.119 --> 00:32:33.240 You know, we're in New England. We come from England 525 00:32:33.279 --> 00:32:35.640 and what is what is England about? And Mark talks 526 00:32:35.680 --> 00:32:38.960 about this all the time in England. It's function follows form. 527 00:32:39.400 --> 00:32:44.440 It's how everything appears is what matters, not what's actually true. 528 00:32:44.480 --> 00:32:47.759 It's what the appearance is. And there's this is exactly 529 00:32:47.759 --> 00:32:50.759 what these guys are. We can't have a stoton cop 530 00:32:50.839 --> 00:32:53.799 you know, you know, implicated for this woman's death. We 531 00:32:53.839 --> 00:32:55.359 got to figure out how to cover it up. Kind 532 00:32:55.359 --> 00:32:58.519 of a Boston cop, you know, implicated in the death 533 00:32:58.559 --> 00:33:01.240 of John o'keeth. You know, we got to find some 534 00:33:01.279 --> 00:33:05.400 schmuck depending on Unfortunately the schmuck ended up with smarter 535 00:33:05.480 --> 00:33:08.359 than all of them. Peter, what what is your topic, sir? 536 00:33:08.480 --> 00:33:14.960 This evening question or hypothesis. We've got to get them 537 00:33:14.960 --> 00:33:19.839 off mute. There you go, you have to unmute the topic. 538 00:33:19.880 --> 00:33:22.160 Who was going to be already brought up, which was 539 00:33:22.200 --> 00:33:26.359 going to be the Fanning situation, which did get addressed 540 00:33:27.160 --> 00:33:27.759 pretty well. 541 00:33:28.799 --> 00:33:33.960 I think, you know, I think maybe that I could 542 00:33:34.079 --> 00:33:34.720 I could. 543 00:33:35.599 --> 00:33:41.039 Transition over to the crime scene investigation, which obviously brings 544 00:33:41.039 --> 00:33:44.759 in the Canton police to a degree. My understanding is 545 00:33:44.799 --> 00:33:50.519 that there were many offices on the Canton Police who 546 00:33:50.559 --> 00:33:54.599 either were at the scene initially or who rather report, 547 00:33:54.799 --> 00:33:59.559 saw some crime scene photos and basically said, tam school 548 00:33:59.559 --> 00:34:02.359 could clue that was no way a suicide. 549 00:34:02.640 --> 00:34:04.200 I've had this conversation with. 550 00:34:04.200 --> 00:34:07.720 Mizzi before, and that was out of the that was 551 00:34:08.039 --> 00:34:09.719 right out of the jump, right out of the box, 552 00:34:09.880 --> 00:34:12.760 or can't in police officers was saying that, Yet it 553 00:34:12.920 --> 00:34:18.079 came to be a suicide between Fanning and the medical examiner, 554 00:34:18.119 --> 00:34:20.920 which I guess is another major concern that we ought 555 00:34:20.960 --> 00:34:26.760 to think about as far as the evidence that appeared 556 00:34:26.800 --> 00:34:30.239 to make it not a suicide, however it was deemed. 557 00:34:30.639 --> 00:34:34.639 You know, the hyoid, all the many signs and symptoms, 558 00:34:35.159 --> 00:34:39.880 the ligatures, right, you know A to Z? 559 00:34:40.440 --> 00:34:41.519 Where do you want to go with that? 560 00:34:41.719 --> 00:34:44.599 And there's a plethora of stuff that anybody could comment 561 00:34:44.679 --> 00:34:47.440 on there, so about it. 562 00:34:48.639 --> 00:34:50.760 I will throw it around. If you were watching on 563 00:34:50.840 --> 00:34:53.559 YouTube right now, if you would take a moment to 564 00:34:54.199 --> 00:34:57.880 give us a like and a subscribe to the channel, 565 00:34:58.000 --> 00:35:00.360 if you'd be so kind, and really, it's hit it. 566 00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:02.400 And now let's get on to somebody who's got some 567 00:35:02.599 --> 00:35:08.920 damn expertise on this case. Miss Suzanne home girl. 568 00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:14.559 I'm humbled by the insinuation and I'm in the presence 569 00:35:14.559 --> 00:35:19.199 of greatness tonight. I can't. I'm geeking out already. But 570 00:35:19.239 --> 00:35:19.920 what if? What if? 571 00:35:19.960 --> 00:35:24.719 You mean to kick it out? Every time I have 572 00:35:24.800 --> 00:35:30.199 these people on? So what do you think crime scene? 573 00:35:30.239 --> 00:35:33.559 I mean, there's there's so much there, but yeah, is 574 00:35:33.559 --> 00:35:36.760 there something that sticks out to you? Like one aspect 575 00:35:36.800 --> 00:35:39.079 of it? Because we wanted what we want to do 576 00:35:39.159 --> 00:35:41.679 here is we want to get through the roundtable portion 577 00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:44.239 so we can get to open discussion. You guys can 578 00:35:44.320 --> 00:35:46.440 just kind of throw stuff at one another, So go 579 00:35:46.440 --> 00:35:46.960 ahead on that. 580 00:35:47.679 --> 00:35:54.159 Well, so, I mean, crime scene wise, it's there's a 581 00:35:54.199 --> 00:35:57.719 million at this point. We all know there's a million things, 582 00:35:59.639 --> 00:36:03.559 but with stands out the most we already know from 583 00:36:03.760 --> 00:36:07.079 from the FBI's drop of how did you guys miss this? 584 00:36:07.360 --> 00:36:09.800 How did you miss how did you miss the laundry? 585 00:36:09.880 --> 00:36:12.039 How did you miss the necklace? How did you miss 586 00:36:12.639 --> 00:36:16.679 all of those things? And didn't even take a cursory 587 00:36:16.760 --> 00:36:21.519 little pause, slight look away from what seemed to be 588 00:36:21.559 --> 00:36:28.480 a pre predetermined conclusion without a second look? Where was 589 00:36:28.519 --> 00:36:32.719 your duty to care in that regard? And I'm giving 590 00:36:32.760 --> 00:36:36.320 more of another rhetorical question than an answer, but these 591 00:36:36.360 --> 00:36:40.199 are these are the things that are our mind blowing 592 00:36:40.239 --> 00:36:43.039 at this point. How did you not take a moment 593 00:36:43.440 --> 00:36:46.920 to consider those things? And hey, guess what the FBI 594 00:36:47.039 --> 00:36:50.280 is asking that too, Like, I don't know if we 595 00:36:50.320 --> 00:36:52.559 can swear on how the f did you miss that? 596 00:36:53.320 --> 00:36:57.480 And and why was it or was it considered and disregarded? 597 00:36:57.519 --> 00:37:00.639 For cause? That's I think what Kim and I asserting 598 00:37:00.679 --> 00:37:03.800 here ye, Because that's. 599 00:37:03.719 --> 00:37:05.639 Where I'm going with that is how did you? How 600 00:37:05.639 --> 00:37:07.760 did you miss this? And and the I would say, 601 00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:10.400 I want to add, just from a you know, compassionate 602 00:37:10.400 --> 00:37:14.400 point of view, the flagrant disregard for a family member 603 00:37:14.639 --> 00:37:18.840 pointing certain facets out such as, hey, did you guys 604 00:37:18.920 --> 00:37:23.000 notice this the necklace here? That's broken? That was that 605 00:37:23.159 --> 00:37:26.719 was part of her that was that was an important detail. 606 00:37:27.000 --> 00:37:29.920 And the sweeping dismissal of oh, no, it's just there 607 00:37:30.039 --> 00:37:33.480 because the room is messy, and there's and and there's 608 00:37:33.559 --> 00:37:37.840 hair because there's cats running around. How dare you, sir? 609 00:37:38.920 --> 00:37:42.880 Is that's where I go with that. No pause, no, 610 00:37:43.039 --> 00:37:46.320 I mean not even human decency and reflecting on that 611 00:37:46.360 --> 00:37:50.920 being an important detail. So that's that's a big thing 612 00:37:51.079 --> 00:37:54.440 for me, and I'm sure for anyone who's who's read 613 00:37:54.440 --> 00:37:55.599 the case files. 614 00:37:56.559 --> 00:37:59.039 And the necklace. The family found the necklace, and I 615 00:37:59.039 --> 00:38:01.400 think the Vegas cops who are on with Mark the 616 00:38:01.440 --> 00:38:04.599 other night said they're always going to make a mistake. 617 00:38:04.679 --> 00:38:07.880 And Farewell had to have missed that. He had to 618 00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:10.000 have been in a hurry, and he had to have 619 00:38:10.039 --> 00:38:13.679 missed it because he wouldn't have you know, clearly, he 620 00:38:13.719 --> 00:38:16.599 would have if he would have saw that he knew that, 621 00:38:16.599 --> 00:38:19.480 that would have been an outlier. But anyway, the crime 622 00:38:19.519 --> 00:38:20.519 scene market, sir. 623 00:38:21.800 --> 00:38:24.679 Well, I say this all the time. If people listen 624 00:38:24.719 --> 00:38:25.880 to me, it gets repetitive. 625 00:38:26.039 --> 00:38:31.079 But I get all Colombo and the famous little things 626 00:38:31.239 --> 00:38:36.800 which nag, and really, with a trained investigator should nag, 627 00:38:36.960 --> 00:38:41.280 especially when you again come across what appears to be 628 00:38:41.320 --> 00:38:46.719 a suicide. But the most basic investigation should have immediately 629 00:38:47.480 --> 00:38:52.480 led them to challenge that initial theory and just follow 630 00:38:52.559 --> 00:38:55.679 the evidence and dig deeper. And for me, it's the 631 00:38:55.760 --> 00:39:02.440 freaking laundry. Okay, nobody who has ever going to kill themselves, 632 00:39:02.679 --> 00:39:06.280 especially in a manner like that which you know, not 633 00:39:06.440 --> 00:39:08.039 to get graphic and all of that. 634 00:39:08.519 --> 00:39:10.079 It takes some effort. 635 00:39:10.400 --> 00:39:13.639 I mean, if you believe that she would do that, 636 00:39:13.800 --> 00:39:17.119 and would do that, particularly in the condition that she 637 00:39:17.320 --> 00:39:22.280 was in, knowing how excited she was to have a 638 00:39:22.400 --> 00:39:26.000 child and all of that. But the idea that she 639 00:39:26.119 --> 00:39:30.960 would make sure to change the laundry literally on the 640 00:39:31.000 --> 00:39:35.599 list of things to do before killing yourself, ordering DoorDash 641 00:39:36.039 --> 00:39:40.840 same concept, that just makes little sense to me. All 642 00:39:40.920 --> 00:39:44.519 the other clues that everyone else just mentioned that were missed, 643 00:39:44.519 --> 00:39:48.880 and if they simply kept those little things in mind. 644 00:39:49.199 --> 00:39:53.880 It doesn't mean they necessarily conclude that it wasn't a suicide, 645 00:39:53.920 --> 00:39:56.400 but if they keep more of an open mind, maybe 646 00:39:56.440 --> 00:40:00.480 they were a little more motivated to actually investigate rather 647 00:40:00.559 --> 00:40:05.000 than just sweep it aside and victim blame from what 648 00:40:05.119 --> 00:40:08.159 was being described by some of the other members saying, ah, 649 00:40:08.239 --> 00:40:11.920 you know, she's just an emotional troubled girl and that's horrible, 650 00:40:12.400 --> 00:40:15.719 and the other you know, the medical evidence is really 651 00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:20.400 disturbing because anybody unfortunately who has any familiarity with uh, 652 00:40:20.599 --> 00:40:24.920 you know, choking's strangulation and whatnot, understands the whole hyoid 653 00:40:25.039 --> 00:40:28.440 bone thing and as you know that that's generally strangulation 654 00:40:28.639 --> 00:40:31.159 as opposed to a partial weight hanging, which would not 655 00:40:31.199 --> 00:40:35.519 do that. I mean, these are things that investigators, including 656 00:40:35.559 --> 00:40:36.639 the medical examiner. 657 00:40:37.199 --> 00:40:40.239 How do you miss that? How do you and why is. 658 00:40:40.239 --> 00:40:43.480 It that in all of these cases that come out 659 00:40:43.480 --> 00:40:46.679 of the same jurisdiction, that are supervised by the same 660 00:40:46.719 --> 00:40:51.000 district attorney, the same local police department, the same guys 661 00:40:51.039 --> 00:40:54.159 from the state police, why do they always end up 662 00:40:54.199 --> 00:40:56.920 having to go to the Feds, who then have to 663 00:40:57.000 --> 00:40:59.960 put on their big boy pants and hire their own 664 00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:02.159 own expert to figure it out. 665 00:41:02.320 --> 00:41:04.519 I mean, Karen read again. 666 00:41:04.599 --> 00:41:07.199 They had to call in the ARCA people to tell 667 00:41:07.280 --> 00:41:10.599 us what it is, in this case, the ARCA witness 668 00:41:10.719 --> 00:41:12.280 for lack of a better term, with They had to 669 00:41:12.280 --> 00:41:13.960 get a separate medical examiner. 670 00:41:14.320 --> 00:41:17.280 This is crazy that you shouldn't have to do that. 671 00:41:17.280 --> 00:41:21.599 That's insane that you can't even rely upon the medical 672 00:41:21.639 --> 00:41:24.639 examiner and the state police and the district attorney's office 673 00:41:24.639 --> 00:41:30.639 to do anything. So it's just one giant failure across 674 00:41:30.679 --> 00:41:33.119 the board. But to me, it all goes back to 675 00:41:33.159 --> 00:41:35.599 the little things. If they just paid attention to them, 676 00:41:36.039 --> 00:41:38.440 maybe they'd be a little more motivated to do the 677 00:41:38.519 --> 00:41:42.880 right thing. And the last thing is it's extra awful 678 00:41:43.000 --> 00:41:48.719 because when they finally find out what happened here and 679 00:41:48.760 --> 00:41:53.039 what he did, if it's not bad enough that this 680 00:41:53.239 --> 00:41:57.239 was a young girl who joined an explorer's program to 681 00:41:58.039 --> 00:42:01.639 learn life skills, to learn how to be a responsible 682 00:42:01.800 --> 00:42:05.159 young adult, how to be mentored by police officers who 683 00:42:05.239 --> 00:42:11.199 you're supposed to run to and trust, not get groomed, raped, killed, 684 00:42:11.320 --> 00:42:15.400 and then framed for your own murder, essentially by staging 685 00:42:15.480 --> 00:42:19.840 a false suicide and hearing what everyone is saying about 686 00:42:19.880 --> 00:42:23.840 the reaction of some of these state police guys, which 687 00:42:23.880 --> 00:42:27.000 is little more than just a shrugger your shoulders and 688 00:42:27.079 --> 00:42:30.960 saying she's just an emotional, troubled girl who cares. This 689 00:42:31.039 --> 00:42:34.599 is I mean, honestly, this is revolting at at a 690 00:42:34.639 --> 00:42:39.920 whole other level, and it's just this is quite gross. 691 00:42:41.519 --> 00:42:48.679 Yeah, and allegedly Mark that this lieutenant was allegedly was 692 00:42:48.719 --> 00:42:56.199 involved in somehow marshaling or the the Karenry jurors, and 693 00:42:56.280 --> 00:42:58.679 so it would beg the question, you know, why is 694 00:42:59.360 --> 00:43:02.239 he involved in that when they're when they had witnesses 695 00:43:02.280 --> 00:43:05.159 that were testifying on the stand that we're his colleagues. 696 00:43:05.159 --> 00:43:07.960 I don't know if anybody can confirm that. I don't know, Peter. 697 00:43:09.199 --> 00:43:11.679 I don't touch that because I don't know if that's true. 698 00:43:11.760 --> 00:43:14.440 We have a problem that needs to be discussed. I 699 00:43:14.480 --> 00:43:18.920 just don't know if that's accurate. I have no idea. 700 00:43:19.119 --> 00:43:21.039 I have a lot to say about that. 701 00:43:22.280 --> 00:43:25.400 Yeah, well, please please let us know, Peter, if you're 702 00:43:25.440 --> 00:43:27.400 able to find out if that was the case, if 703 00:43:27.679 --> 00:43:30.599 if he was actually at the courthouse and was involved 704 00:43:30.639 --> 00:43:35.519 in some uh in some measure of dispelling or dismissing 705 00:43:36.639 --> 00:43:40.760 or removing those those two jurors that Turtle Boy believes 706 00:43:41.079 --> 00:43:44.519 we're pro kring red jurors, and now he's talked to 707 00:43:44.559 --> 00:43:48.239 at least two of them. So I mean, uh, anyway, 708 00:43:49.519 --> 00:43:51.920 so let's move on. Uh So I think we hit 709 00:43:51.960 --> 00:43:54.440 that Kim. Did you get to speak to that one 710 00:43:54.440 --> 00:43:56.519 and we went back to the mark or no? 711 00:43:56.599 --> 00:43:56.760 No? 712 00:43:56.880 --> 00:43:59.840 Yeah, I just would like to say just a feel 713 00:44:00.519 --> 00:44:03.320 so as it relates to the crime scene. 714 00:44:03.760 --> 00:44:07.159 Just bringing it back to that is that when Trupa. 715 00:44:06.920 --> 00:44:15.760 Dunn met Lank and McCord at Sandra's apartment complex, he 716 00:44:15.960 --> 00:44:21.719 noted in a memorialized report from February seventeenth, twenty twenty one, 717 00:44:22.480 --> 00:44:26.639 like when I read through it, it stated that around in 718 00:44:26.679 --> 00:44:30.800 the room of her bedroom right that there was an 719 00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:36.880 army ACU Duffel bag ACU pattern Duffel bag. Now, Babes, 720 00:44:36.880 --> 00:44:40.519 I don't know about you, but for me, that was 721 00:44:40.679 --> 00:44:44.039 and it ended up being that strap that was tied 722 00:44:44.199 --> 00:44:44.840 around her. 723 00:44:44.960 --> 00:44:47.880 Okay in this alleged self takeout. 724 00:44:48.480 --> 00:44:55.679 Now, Matthew Farwell and Billy Fowell are like very skilled 725 00:44:55.679 --> 00:44:56.360 they were in the army. 726 00:44:56.400 --> 00:44:59.960 I know that Matthew was an explosives you know tech. 727 00:45:00.320 --> 00:45:01.840 I think from two thousand and four to two thousand 728 00:45:01.880 --> 00:45:04.880 and eight, and William was actually higher up in his 729 00:45:05.559 --> 00:45:09.400 Army service. And however like as a as a ranking, 730 00:45:09.480 --> 00:45:12.400 he had even a higher one. Now Sandra, I know, 731 00:45:12.719 --> 00:45:15.719 did go to basic training or she had, you know, 732 00:45:15.800 --> 00:45:19.159 enlisted in the army, but she was not there long. 733 00:45:19.199 --> 00:45:21.320 She didn't make it through a goop camp. A specific 734 00:45:21.440 --> 00:45:25.920 ACU duffel bag would have been something that when you're 735 00:45:25.960 --> 00:45:30.119 looking at what you are alleging that this victim had 736 00:45:30.440 --> 00:45:36.119 affixed herself to a closet and a door knob, that's important. 737 00:45:36.400 --> 00:45:37.000 And it's just. 738 00:45:37.039 --> 00:45:40.280 One line, one line in this little report. 739 00:45:40.400 --> 00:45:44.440 And I was just shocked that that didn't spark a 740 00:45:44.440 --> 00:45:46.960 little bit more interest. I looked down, I went down 741 00:45:46.960 --> 00:45:48.920 a rabbit hole, but I could only find I thought 742 00:45:48.960 --> 00:45:51.159 it was Army combat unit. 743 00:45:51.320 --> 00:45:52.880 But it's only Army. 744 00:45:52.679 --> 00:45:57.119 Camouflage, so potentially depending on the digital whatever of it, 745 00:45:57.199 --> 00:46:01.199 like however the print was, but you know those are 746 00:46:01.599 --> 00:46:05.159 That was just something that stood out to me and 747 00:46:05.760 --> 00:46:08.159 I thought, well, I mean, this is this firewell leaving 748 00:46:08.199 --> 00:46:09.920 a calling pod babe, you know what I mean? 749 00:46:10.039 --> 00:46:13.159 Like that he is if that was his bad or something. 750 00:46:13.280 --> 00:46:18.400 You know, that just was very uncomfortable, along with her necklace, 751 00:46:18.519 --> 00:46:21.159 along with the nine thousand, six hundred and forty four 752 00:46:21.239 --> 00:46:25.480 other things that did not point to Sandra Birchmore in 753 00:46:25.599 --> 00:46:29.639 any way, shape or form attempting to not want to 754 00:46:29.679 --> 00:46:31.519 be here with her and her. 755 00:46:31.480 --> 00:46:32.760 Child in the future. 756 00:46:32.920 --> 00:46:36.360 Okay, and I just I mean, I could go into 757 00:46:36.400 --> 00:46:37.519 the medical examine and stuff. 758 00:46:37.519 --> 00:46:41.639 I won't keep it on the scene, but that was very. 759 00:46:42.039 --> 00:46:44.440 Important, and I think that everyone should try to go 760 00:46:44.480 --> 00:46:47.000 back and look at those mass State Police reports if 761 00:46:47.000 --> 00:46:48.000 they have a chance to. 762 00:46:49.119 --> 00:46:52.719 That's a great detail. And in fact, Miss Jessica and 763 00:46:53.000 --> 00:46:55.559 Miss Jessica and b is in the chat. He was 764 00:46:55.719 --> 00:46:59.159 Army EOD and when she deployed, I think Farwell's unit 765 00:46:59.599 --> 00:47:02.320 support her. That's one of the things that we were 766 00:47:02.320 --> 00:47:05.079 tweeting about on or we were dming about on Twitter, 767 00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:08.159 was her army career, and I believe one of Farmel, 768 00:47:08.760 --> 00:47:11.880 one of Farwell's units supported hers. As far as the 769 00:47:12.039 --> 00:47:16.400 ACU business, I deployed with the Army as a civilian 770 00:47:16.440 --> 00:47:19.360 after I retired from the Air Force to do some work, 771 00:47:19.400 --> 00:47:22.320 and all the body armor I got was ACU patterned. 772 00:47:22.519 --> 00:47:25.360 But I will say this, I don't think she would 773 00:47:25.400 --> 00:47:28.280 have been able to leave basic training with any uniforms, 774 00:47:28.599 --> 00:47:30.920 they would have taken those, but an army Duffel bag. 775 00:47:31.199 --> 00:47:33.760 They'll typically take you down to go shopping at the 776 00:47:34.320 --> 00:47:37.440 PX or the MINIPX during Basic so that you can 777 00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:41.960 buy toiletries, you can buy different items there, and she 778 00:47:42.320 --> 00:47:46.000 very easily could have bought an ACU Duffel bag there 779 00:47:46.880 --> 00:47:48.960 at the PX, because I know we did that when 780 00:47:49.159 --> 00:47:51.440 way when I was in Basic, we went down there 781 00:47:51.440 --> 00:47:53.559 and bought swag and brought it back to the dorms. 782 00:47:53.599 --> 00:47:56.360 And that was stuff that after you graduated Basic you 783 00:47:56.400 --> 00:47:59.320 could take with you. It was your personal stuff, not issued. 784 00:48:00.079 --> 00:48:02.719 It's quite possible that it was her duffel bag that 785 00:48:02.800 --> 00:48:05.480 she got from the BX. But it's something that we 786 00:48:05.519 --> 00:48:08.280 should look into because we could ask a family member 787 00:48:08.320 --> 00:48:11.119 that did she come home with an ACU Duffel bag 788 00:48:11.159 --> 00:48:14.639 from basically, So it's a great question mark you wanted 789 00:48:14.679 --> 00:48:15.920 to I'm going. 790 00:48:15.800 --> 00:48:18.039 To add one thing we were talking about, what did 791 00:48:18.079 --> 00:48:20.639 they miss? They're missing one of the most obvious things. 792 00:48:20.719 --> 00:48:27.519 Anytime there's a suspicious death, you're looking did anybody have 793 00:48:27.599 --> 00:48:30.159 an obvious motive to harm her? I mean, it's just 794 00:48:30.199 --> 00:48:34.360 this is like common sense investigation one oh one. And 795 00:48:34.480 --> 00:48:36.360 I don't think you need to be a genius to 796 00:48:36.360 --> 00:48:42.840 figure out married man okay, on duty police officer, full career, 797 00:48:43.840 --> 00:48:49.239 has kids with wife literally one right after Sandra died. 798 00:48:49.800 --> 00:48:53.000 Can anyone think of a reason why perhaps a guy 799 00:48:53.199 --> 00:48:56.280 living that so called, you know, good life that he 800 00:48:56.440 --> 00:49:02.159 had might not want the so called troubled girl who's 801 00:49:02.159 --> 00:49:05.559 given him a hard time is very much wants to have. 802 00:49:05.480 --> 00:49:07.519 His baby and wants to be known. 803 00:49:08.079 --> 00:49:11.199 And he did everything he did to her previously, she 804 00:49:11.360 --> 00:49:14.159 becomes a problem. That doesn't mean that anyone in his 805 00:49:14.280 --> 00:49:18.519 situation necessarily kills anyone, But how does that not jump 806 00:49:18.559 --> 00:49:21.639 out at you and say that's something we have to 807 00:49:21.679 --> 00:49:26.079 look into and dig deep before we just you know, 808 00:49:26.159 --> 00:49:30.159 suicide this away and pat officer farwell on the head 809 00:49:30.199 --> 00:49:33.119 and say go back to doing solid police work and. 810 00:49:33.519 --> 00:49:34.280 Have a nice life. 811 00:49:34.360 --> 00:49:37.000 I mean, they just I don't know how he doesn't 812 00:49:37.039 --> 00:49:42.480 become an obvious immediate suspect that gets heavily scrutinized. And 813 00:49:42.519 --> 00:49:45.519 when he says I deleted my messages, well what did 814 00:49:45.559 --> 00:49:48.400 you delete? And dig and dig and go to go 815 00:49:48.559 --> 00:49:51.639 find go to the FBI, go to whoever get the 816 00:49:51.679 --> 00:49:54.639 information and be tenacious and if he didn't do it, 817 00:49:54.840 --> 00:49:56.320 then give him a clean bill of health. 818 00:49:56.360 --> 00:49:59.440 But put the effort in for Christ's sakes. 819 00:50:01.719 --> 00:50:05.159 Yeah, and we're getting great, great comments in the chat 820 00:50:05.239 --> 00:50:09.159 about all these different aspects of what we're talking about. Yeah, 821 00:50:09.440 --> 00:50:13.760 and yeah, you know, I think, don't I'm not sure 822 00:50:13.800 --> 00:50:15.639 what this one says here, but where is it here? 823 00:50:17.159 --> 00:50:22.400 Because of corruption? Right anyway, the topic now belongs to. 824 00:50:22.599 --> 00:50:24.280 I didn't get to say. I didn't get to talk. 825 00:50:24.119 --> 00:50:29.159 On the sub How do we forget the principle? How 826 00:50:29.199 --> 00:50:31.639 do you forget Tom Brady? We're in the huddle and 827 00:50:31.639 --> 00:50:33.960 I'm looking around and like, I'm ready to clap, and 828 00:50:33.960 --> 00:50:34.880 there's no Tom Brady. 829 00:50:34.880 --> 00:50:40.280 Go ahead, Tom, Well, somebody actually just you just kind 830 00:50:40.280 --> 00:50:42.519 of zip by somebody's comment that I was going to make. 831 00:50:42.559 --> 00:50:47.320 There's two two, A couple of things. Her phone that 832 00:50:47.480 --> 00:50:51.519 was right by her leg, you know. I another thing 833 00:50:51.559 --> 00:50:54.880 I got fanning to admit. I specifically asked him did 834 00:50:54.880 --> 00:50:57.679 her phone stop moving before he left? And he said yes. 835 00:50:58.039 --> 00:51:03.280 He said he thought she killed herself as he was leaving, 836 00:51:03.360 --> 00:51:08.639 and I was like, okay, yeah, And also it pertains 837 00:51:08.679 --> 00:51:11.760 to the crime scene, but it's they extended into the hall, 838 00:51:11.920 --> 00:51:15.159 the hallway where you know the video of him coming 839 00:51:15.239 --> 00:51:18.079 in and out. I mean, you see that video and 840 00:51:18.119 --> 00:51:21.599 you could tell this guy is up to something. My 841 00:51:21.719 --> 00:51:26.559 other issue is with the Canton Police. There were five officers, 842 00:51:26.599 --> 00:51:30.559 four reports that I have, and every officer has something 843 00:51:30.679 --> 00:51:34.880 listed differently of what was used as for the ligature. 844 00:51:35.199 --> 00:51:38.199 And that's a problem for the Canton Police department. That 845 00:51:38.320 --> 00:51:42.880 is a huge issue. Why couldn't these officers agree on 846 00:51:42.960 --> 00:51:46.000 what she hung herself with if she had done that, 847 00:51:46.440 --> 00:51:49.079 you know that. That was one of the issues that 848 00:51:49.159 --> 00:51:52.679 made me say what is wrong with this? And to 849 00:51:53.639 --> 00:51:56.440 kind of end my thing is the name that they 850 00:51:56.800 --> 00:51:59.159 me and Suzanne talk about mention this all the time. 851 00:51:59.599 --> 00:52:04.960 What they named the case the black light case. And 852 00:52:05.039 --> 00:52:06.559 you know what you find with black light? 853 00:52:07.639 --> 00:52:10.960 Oh, blood splatter, right, the other thing you find with 854 00:52:11.039 --> 00:52:18.159 black light, Peter, because they were trying to that. 855 00:52:18.280 --> 00:52:21.119 She was, you know, permiscuous and stuff like that, so 856 00:52:21.159 --> 00:52:23.119 they had to use a black light and you know, 857 00:52:23.199 --> 00:52:27.920 in her apartment and to investigate her. So even in 858 00:52:28.119 --> 00:52:31.360 the title that they used to investigate her case was 859 00:52:31.400 --> 00:52:38.159 disparaging against her. Like we've mentioned the necklace, there is 860 00:52:38.239 --> 00:52:43.639 no reason why that necklace wasn't found by what there were. 861 00:52:43.880 --> 00:52:46.360 I believe four Canton police that went in, one didn't 862 00:52:46.360 --> 00:52:48.599 really go into the crime scene, and then all the 863 00:52:48.599 --> 00:52:53.199 rest of the Massachusetts State Police officers that went in, 864 00:52:53.519 --> 00:52:56.119 none of them found found that necklace. And it had 865 00:52:56.159 --> 00:52:59.360 to be a family member that brought it forward. That 866 00:52:59.559 --> 00:53:05.079 is utterly unacceptable. Somebody should have seen that necklace. 867 00:53:05.679 --> 00:53:09.079 Not only is that unacceptable, but it makes it harder 868 00:53:09.079 --> 00:53:10.679 for the fence. I'm not saying it's going to matter. 869 00:53:10.760 --> 00:53:15.000 This guy's got real problems, but you know, he's going 870 00:53:15.039 --> 00:53:17.000 to argue they didn't see it because it wasn't there. 871 00:53:17.000 --> 00:53:20.280 I mean, he's going to use that to assist his defense. 872 00:53:20.400 --> 00:53:23.920 So as awful as it is now that you know, 873 00:53:24.239 --> 00:53:28.280 everyone seems to believe that this monster, alleged monster did 874 00:53:28.320 --> 00:53:33.280 this terrible thing, the either misconduct or incompetence of these 875 00:53:33.320 --> 00:53:37.719 initial cops actually potentially harms the case against you know, 876 00:53:37.840 --> 00:53:40.639 the real bad actor here. And it's so it's just 877 00:53:40.800 --> 00:53:43.920 they're the awful gift that keeps on giving there. I mean, 878 00:53:43.960 --> 00:53:47.199 this is just a train wreck at every level that 879 00:53:47.280 --> 00:53:48.280 these guys have left. 880 00:53:48.960 --> 00:53:51.800 Let's hope it's in crime scene photos so he can't 881 00:53:52.000 --> 00:53:53.920 you know, so they did get. 882 00:53:53.840 --> 00:53:56.400 Hopefully it won't matter ultimately. 883 00:53:56.599 --> 00:54:01.280 I mean, this guy's he's he's got real problems, but 884 00:54:01.880 --> 00:54:05.800 it's just atrocious police work and a lack of respect. 885 00:54:05.920 --> 00:54:09.599 And again the only word that comes out is revolting. 886 00:54:09.760 --> 00:54:11.440 I mean, this whole thing makes you want to take 887 00:54:11.480 --> 00:54:12.639 a shower and throw up. 888 00:54:13.920 --> 00:54:17.960 Yeah, it's very very it's very very disturbing, and I 889 00:54:17.960 --> 00:54:20.800 think I want to say so. Missy pointed out the 890 00:54:20.880 --> 00:54:23.920 a side of that record about the necklace. I pointed 891 00:54:23.960 --> 00:54:28.079 out that that Farewell missed it, and she pointed out 892 00:54:28.119 --> 00:54:30.920 the more important point is that the police didn't document it, 893 00:54:30.960 --> 00:54:33.960 that it was found by a family member. And the 894 00:54:34.000 --> 00:54:37.639 other thing is, I believe Missy in Fannings report he 895 00:54:37.719 --> 00:54:40.679 was sort of making alluding to the fact that she 896 00:54:40.800 --> 00:54:44.760 had been with other officers to make her appear more promiscuous. 897 00:54:45.559 --> 00:54:48.119 Was it was that Fannings report, well. 898 00:54:48.239 --> 00:54:51.440 Throughout the report, it was they were trying to make her, 899 00:54:51.679 --> 00:54:57.000 you know, sound crazy, like she was a whore, a badge, bunny, 900 00:54:57.159 --> 00:54:58.920 you know, whatever you want to call it. And it 901 00:54:59.000 --> 00:55:02.719 was it was just basically to make her look bad 902 00:55:03.599 --> 00:55:06.320 and stare it away from you know, these guys. And 903 00:55:06.480 --> 00:55:10.280 also they Wan. I've spoken to a bunch of witnesses 904 00:55:10.519 --> 00:55:14.159 that they've spoken to, and witnesses that they never even approached. 905 00:55:14.199 --> 00:55:17.840 That's egregious too. There are so many witnesses, her friends 906 00:55:18.079 --> 00:55:20.920 that they never even contact. What I'm finding out is 907 00:55:20.960 --> 00:55:23.880 the only people that they approached were the people who 908 00:55:23.920 --> 00:55:28.360 actually called them. They had to interview her teachers because 909 00:55:28.400 --> 00:55:32.440 they were the ones who reported it. They didn't even 910 00:55:32.679 --> 00:55:35.519 call like some of her closest friends they never spoke to. 911 00:55:36.280 --> 00:55:38.760 That's insane that they would have been able to figure 912 00:55:38.800 --> 00:55:39.519 out what was going on. 913 00:55:39.519 --> 00:55:40.039 In her life. 914 00:55:40.800 --> 00:55:41.679 Sounds familiar. 915 00:55:42.519 --> 00:55:45.079 Yeah, you don't want to find out too much information, Yeah, 916 00:55:45.159 --> 00:55:47.800 because then you know that could lead to an officer 917 00:55:47.880 --> 00:55:50.079 being guilty guard you know, and they are. I'm sure 918 00:55:50.079 --> 00:55:53.159 they are, Like Peter knows, there are great officers in 919 00:55:53.280 --> 00:55:56.800 Canton and in Stoton and an MSP. We're talking about 920 00:55:57.360 --> 00:56:00.960 some real idiots and rot people that are just criminals. 921 00:56:01.119 --> 00:56:04.480 They're criminals. They just happened to wear uniform, but they're criminals. 922 00:56:04.679 --> 00:56:07.880 So all right with that, let's go to Suzanne. Now, 923 00:56:08.400 --> 00:56:11.079 what would be your topic? Man from mister Veto. 924 00:56:12.639 --> 00:56:17.199 Actually that was a great segue. DJ. It's not my topic, 925 00:56:17.320 --> 00:56:21.000 but you mentioning about the good the good officers, And 926 00:56:21.039 --> 00:56:24.280 I actually raised this question with an official that I 927 00:56:24.320 --> 00:56:26.719 was able to meet recently and said, okay, so you 928 00:56:26.800 --> 00:56:29.880 have the good, good officers who are trying to recover 929 00:56:30.079 --> 00:56:35.920 from this heinous situation and trying to make peace with 930 00:56:35.960 --> 00:56:40.559 it so that they can protect and serve without this 931 00:56:40.760 --> 00:56:43.719 dark cloud over their heads. What are you you know, 932 00:56:44.079 --> 00:56:47.039 what's being done to secure their mental health so that 933 00:56:47.079 --> 00:56:50.800 they can excel as the good guys who protect and serve, 934 00:56:51.679 --> 00:56:56.079 Because that's a huge problem. And so you've got the 935 00:56:56.079 --> 00:56:59.039 good guys who who are honorable officers that want to 936 00:56:59.079 --> 00:57:02.320 protect and serve the right way. But how can they 937 00:57:02.360 --> 00:57:07.119 do that if their work is put on pause to 938 00:57:07.159 --> 00:57:09.360 look over their shoulders for guys who are going to 939 00:57:09.440 --> 00:57:12.679 retaliate against them or say, hey, remember that thing you 940 00:57:12.760 --> 00:57:15.880 just saw or heard or that call that came in. No, 941 00:57:16.000 --> 00:57:19.199 you don't know, you didn't, and now they're you know, 942 00:57:19.239 --> 00:57:22.360 they're frightened. I don't want to characterize how they would react, 943 00:57:22.639 --> 00:57:26.000 but let's just say, off balance from doing their job. 944 00:57:27.440 --> 00:57:30.400 We want them to feel secure. We want them to 945 00:57:30.480 --> 00:57:33.280 be okay doing their jobs, and the only way to 946 00:57:33.320 --> 00:57:35.800 do that is to have a safe atmosphere, and to 947 00:57:35.880 --> 00:57:39.960 think to ask an official in charge of these things 948 00:57:40.039 --> 00:57:43.239 and say just sort of pivot back to me, you 949 00:57:43.239 --> 00:57:47.280 know what do you think? I thought, Okay, I'm not 950 00:57:47.400 --> 00:57:50.159 I ain't the one to give that answer. I had 951 00:57:50.159 --> 00:57:53.320 it on good authority that you might know, sir. Then 952 00:57:53.400 --> 00:57:55.719 they don't seem to have a solution to that. So 953 00:57:55.840 --> 00:57:59.000 that's that wasn't my topic. But since you mentioned it, 954 00:58:00.280 --> 00:58:04.719 topic apart from the issue of Fanning's assignment that day 955 00:58:05.880 --> 00:58:11.280 was it's about our our guy, Robert Divine, and I 956 00:58:11.280 --> 00:58:17.159 would I'd love to hear Mark's input on this as 957 00:58:17.159 --> 00:58:20.639 a point of fact that I don't know what to 958 00:58:20.679 --> 00:58:24.880 do with. Really is that so Robert Devine is currently 959 00:58:25.039 --> 00:58:29.960 he's an attorney, Robert Devine esquire And in terms of 960 00:58:30.000 --> 00:58:35.079 time frame, we know that February first the day that 961 00:58:35.519 --> 00:58:41.599 Sanders last day he communicated with her in some way. 962 00:58:41.840 --> 00:58:48.079 February second he swore into the bar. February fourth was 963 00:58:48.119 --> 00:58:52.639 when she was found. I guess I just put that 964 00:58:52.719 --> 00:58:58.280 question into the ether. What if anything, does that does 965 00:58:58.320 --> 00:59:04.920 that mean? Thanks, What if anything does that does that mean? 966 00:59:05.480 --> 00:59:08.920 Is that problematic? Is that indicative of something? 967 00:59:10.480 --> 00:59:13.559 What do you find from that? Mark, Wow, what if anything, well, 968 00:59:13.840 --> 00:59:14.480 in what way? 969 00:59:14.920 --> 00:59:16.440 I mean, what is him being a lawyer? 970 00:59:16.480 --> 00:59:22.320 Which is bizarre admittedly in this whole twisted thing. I'm 971 00:59:22.320 --> 00:59:25.239 not sure what being a lawyer has to do with 972 00:59:25.320 --> 00:59:31.679 this bizarre timeline. But you know, lawyers when they get 973 00:59:31.800 --> 00:59:35.639 admitted to practice have to pass you know, a character 974 00:59:35.719 --> 00:59:40.679 and fitness examination. I'm assuming when he filled out his 975 00:59:40.760 --> 00:59:44.199 application and got interviewed for that, he did not include, 976 00:59:44.840 --> 00:59:48.119 you know, have been credibly accused of grooming and having 977 00:59:48.119 --> 00:59:54.480 inappropriate contacts with children. It's a bizarre timeline. I don't 978 00:59:54.880 --> 00:59:58.800 to me though, if he just happened to get sworn 979 00:59:58.840 --> 01:00:02.239 into the bar, I don't know how it works in Massachusetts, 980 01:00:02.280 --> 01:00:04.519 but certainly in New York, that's just the day they 981 01:00:04.599 --> 01:00:06.599 give you, you know, depending on when you took the 982 01:00:06.639 --> 01:00:10.559 bar exam, when you passed it. And it sounds like 983 01:00:10.679 --> 01:00:13.400 one coincidence, and I don't know that there would be. 984 01:00:13.360 --> 01:00:15.880 Any relation about it. 985 01:00:16.079 --> 01:00:20.079 But as far as the other stuff, why would he 986 01:00:20.159 --> 01:00:21.800 be communicating with her on the. 987 01:00:21.880 --> 01:00:23.639 Day that she died? 988 01:00:23.719 --> 01:00:25.880 I don't, I mean, why do they have any relationship 989 01:00:25.920 --> 01:00:29.599 at that point after what you know, he had to 990 01:00:29.679 --> 01:00:32.840 have known was happening to her and what his buddies 991 01:00:32.920 --> 01:00:38.320 perhaps did. And he's how many years older than her? 992 01:00:38.599 --> 01:00:40.559 And you know, as of a couple of years ago, 993 01:00:40.639 --> 01:00:42.079 why would he be communicating with. 994 01:00:42.079 --> 01:00:46.320 Her at all? But I don't know what to draw 995 01:00:46.400 --> 01:00:47.760 from that, to be honest with you. 996 01:00:48.519 --> 01:00:51.480 Well, I can tell you Mark that the assignment of 997 01:00:51.519 --> 01:00:55.119 the date swhere in because I've got it in front 998 01:00:55.119 --> 01:00:58.559 of me. So it was in January that the assignment 999 01:00:58.960 --> 01:01:02.360 you know, to come in and swear in was in January. 1000 01:01:03.559 --> 01:01:08.800 The swearing in was the day after the last contact 1001 01:01:08.920 --> 01:01:12.159 with Sandra, but in two days before she was found. 1002 01:01:12.960 --> 01:01:14.239 So those are those are. 1003 01:01:14.159 --> 01:01:17.599 Just the you know, sort of the nagging questions of yeah, 1004 01:01:18.239 --> 01:01:18.599 I don't know. 1005 01:01:18.800 --> 01:01:20.760 I mean, are you suggesting that he tried to give 1006 01:01:20.840 --> 01:01:24.519 himself kind of an alibi during this time period? 1007 01:01:24.599 --> 01:01:25.920 I mean, I just don't know what. 1008 01:01:26.199 --> 01:01:29.199 Although I'm not suggesting anything other than it's the timeline 1009 01:01:29.239 --> 01:01:34.360 is sketchy. Yeah, No, not not an alibi per se, 1010 01:01:34.480 --> 01:01:37.519 because he communicated with her the day she she died. 1011 01:01:38.760 --> 01:01:41.119 And he just disputes it. He says, no, I didn't, 1012 01:01:41.159 --> 01:01:44.000 that wasn't really me. That name you have from Facebook 1013 01:01:44.039 --> 01:01:46.280 that you think is me, is is really mel Gibson? 1014 01:01:46.519 --> 01:01:51.639 You know so, so it just it's just one of 1015 01:01:51.639 --> 01:01:53.920 those nagging things that stands out is does it mean 1016 01:01:54.000 --> 01:01:56.559 something or is it just another you know, like Nurse 1017 01:01:56.639 --> 01:02:00.199 Kim said, another wormhole that you're diving down and can't 1018 01:02:00.199 --> 01:02:02.360 see the light of day because you're obsessed with it. 1019 01:02:02.519 --> 01:02:04.400 You know, I don't know. 1020 01:02:04.519 --> 01:02:08.000 I mean again, I don't know what having contact with 1021 01:02:08.079 --> 01:02:10.719 her and then getting sworn in and then doing whatever 1022 01:02:10.760 --> 01:02:14.119 he did. I mean, if people have busy lives, I mean, 1023 01:02:14.119 --> 01:02:16.360 look at Farewell, he was able to pencil in in 1024 01:02:16.440 --> 01:02:20.119 his calendar, apparently commit murder, stage it to his suicide 1025 01:02:20.159 --> 01:02:22.920 and you know, run to the hospital and hold my newborn. 1026 01:02:24.639 --> 01:02:25.360 That's right. 1027 01:02:26.079 --> 01:02:30.039 That's probably one of the most grotesque facts in this 1028 01:02:30.119 --> 01:02:32.760 hole sick and sordid tail. 1029 01:02:32.960 --> 01:02:38.679 But you know it, I don't know. I just don't know, Jim. 1030 01:02:38.760 --> 01:02:43.039 Do you find any serendipitous confluence of events anything to 1031 01:02:43.119 --> 01:02:48.719 do with Robert divine ascension to attorney at law and 1032 01:02:48.960 --> 01:02:51.880 and and and his messages with Sandra. 1033 01:02:53.800 --> 01:02:54.519 Are you asking me? 1034 01:02:55.760 --> 01:03:02.920 No, I'm asking Nurse Ken. I think she's on mute. 1035 01:03:03.440 --> 01:03:04.400 I think she's frozen. 1036 01:03:04.679 --> 01:03:08.760 Sorry, Oh I was can you see me, yes, ma'am? 1037 01:03:10.840 --> 01:03:11.400 Oh, I'm sorry. 1038 01:03:11.480 --> 01:03:14.679 Guy now man, all. 1039 01:03:14.679 --> 01:03:19.639 Right, So, uh do I think that there is a 1040 01:03:19.719 --> 01:03:24.679 correlation between Divine and the dates? Listen, I don't believe 1041 01:03:24.719 --> 01:03:27.840 that anything is just a coinky dink. Okay, it does 1042 01:03:27.960 --> 01:03:32.559 not for me in this because of all I don't know. 1043 01:03:32.719 --> 01:03:37.800 It just everything can't be just this is another one 1044 01:03:37.880 --> 01:03:40.440 for the team in my opinion. And I don't think 1045 01:03:40.559 --> 01:03:45.400 that Robert Divine being a lawyer, and I've looked at 1046 01:03:45.440 --> 01:03:48.000 his records, okay, because it's all public record, right, his 1047 01:03:48.119 --> 01:03:52.440 practice is in Easton, right, guys, So you know, I 1048 01:03:52.599 --> 01:03:54.559 was looking at his court filings and what I like, 1049 01:03:54.679 --> 01:03:56.360 you know, of his of his LLC. 1050 01:03:57.039 --> 01:03:59.599 And I'm just like he it was just a. 1051 01:03:59.639 --> 01:04:03.079 Very interesting transition that he made. He made it at 1052 01:04:03.119 --> 01:04:06.840 a very at a very interesting time. Is it related, 1053 01:04:07.280 --> 01:04:10.360 I you know, do we know know? But I would 1054 01:04:10.400 --> 01:04:15.440 say that for myself, just seeing everything, I have a 1055 01:04:15.480 --> 01:04:17.199 skeptical eye with it all. 1056 01:04:17.360 --> 01:04:18.199 Now in my. 1057 01:04:18.280 --> 01:04:26.199 Opinion, yeah, that that totally makes sense. It's just they're 1058 01:04:26.599 --> 01:04:33.800 just really weird thing. They're very very bothersome coincidences in 1059 01:04:33.920 --> 01:04:35.840 this case, well, in the case of holding the baby, 1060 01:04:35.880 --> 01:04:38.440 it's not a coincidence. But but in this case, I 1061 01:04:38.519 --> 01:04:43.039 think it's very coincidental. Mark holding the baby DJ. 1062 01:04:43.519 --> 01:04:46.039 Oh, I'm so sorry, but holding the baby DJ in 1063 01:04:46.159 --> 01:04:47.280 the same sweatshirt. 1064 01:04:48.519 --> 01:04:51.360 Yeah, that he killed? I know. I mean, this dude 1065 01:04:51.400 --> 01:04:56.719 is he's a monster. I mean, you guys have described 1066 01:04:56.760 --> 01:04:59.880 him aptly on different shows. I've heard you and mar 1067 01:05:00.119 --> 01:05:02.360 Can other people, and as he describe this guy, he 1068 01:05:02.480 --> 01:05:07.000 really is a monster. And people freak out. They're like, man, 1069 01:05:07.119 --> 01:05:09.559 this guy was on the street. Can you imagine what 1070 01:05:09.719 --> 01:05:12.639 he could have done to another innocent person that just 1071 01:05:12.840 --> 01:05:16.199 said or did the wrong thing. It's very scary. 1072 01:05:17.880 --> 01:05:20.960 You groom them, you're there, you're supposed to be mentoring them, 1073 01:05:21.000 --> 01:05:23.960 and I mean they come right in. 1074 01:05:24.119 --> 01:05:25.199 I mean, these are kids. 1075 01:05:25.079 --> 01:05:28.800 Looking to be with cops and they respect cops, and 1076 01:05:28.920 --> 01:05:30.360 the cops are supposed to train them. 1077 01:05:30.400 --> 01:05:32.400 I mean, it's it's worse than anything. 1078 01:05:32.480 --> 01:05:32.920 I mean, it is. 1079 01:05:33.320 --> 01:05:35.000 But this is also part of the you know, if 1080 01:05:35.000 --> 01:05:38.920 you deal with sex abuse and exploitation of children, that's 1081 01:05:39.000 --> 01:05:42.320 part of the grooming stuff. If you have a credible 1082 01:05:42.400 --> 01:05:45.440 position and role that people look up to, that's easy. 1083 01:05:45.679 --> 01:05:47.920 I mean you can lure them in because you're in 1084 01:05:48.000 --> 01:05:50.679 a position of trust or you're supposed to be, and 1085 01:05:50.840 --> 01:05:54.480 it's all just sickening. But yeah, I mean, it's not 1086 01:05:54.559 --> 01:05:57.920 surprising at all that it would happen in something like 1087 01:05:57.960 --> 01:06:01.679 an explorer's program because the kids are looking and want 1088 01:06:01.760 --> 01:06:05.119 to trust the cops, and it's the exact opposite. 1089 01:06:06.480 --> 01:06:08.519 It's and it's I want to just say further, It's 1090 01:06:08.559 --> 01:06:11.920 happened in my own in the military. It's happened between 1091 01:06:12.079 --> 01:06:16.400 senior enlisted and junior enlisted. It has happened between UH 1092 01:06:16.719 --> 01:06:20.880 company great officers and junior enlisted, and those people end 1093 01:06:21.000 --> 01:06:24.159 up out of the service or in Fort Leavenworth, Kansas. 1094 01:06:24.760 --> 01:06:29.360 So it doesn't only happen there. It's it's just police 1095 01:06:29.400 --> 01:06:32.400 are very I said, have a conversation with somebody today. Police, 1096 01:06:32.840 --> 01:06:35.119 even a town police officer like Peter was was, is 1097 01:06:35.280 --> 01:06:38.840 very very powerful. A four star general drives off base 1098 01:06:38.960 --> 01:06:42.840 wearing a golf shirt, flax and a sports jacket as 1099 01:06:42.920 --> 01:06:46.760 non a town police officer can take away his freedom 1100 01:06:46.880 --> 01:06:51.000 just like that in a traffic style for any reason 1101 01:06:51.039 --> 01:06:53.639 that they choose. A four star general has no power 1102 01:06:54.199 --> 01:06:57.679 off of a base, but even a town police officer, 1103 01:06:57.840 --> 01:07:02.320 not to mention a state police officer or somebody at 1104 01:07:02.400 --> 01:07:04.840 that level, or someone at the federal level, there's an 1105 01:07:05.079 --> 01:07:07.880 enormous amount of power that it takes a certain type 1106 01:07:07.920 --> 01:07:12.199 of mindset like Peter to corral that that ego and 1107 01:07:12.360 --> 01:07:14.920 just keep it in check so that you don't overstep 1108 01:07:15.000 --> 01:07:18.320 your boundary. And if someone has criminal proclivities, it doesn't 1109 01:07:18.360 --> 01:07:21.159 take long to figure out, Hey, I can enforce the law, 1110 01:07:21.239 --> 01:07:23.440 but I can break the law whenever I want to. 1111 01:07:23.840 --> 01:07:26.679 And then obviously we're seeing that happen. For somebody in 1112 01:07:26.760 --> 01:07:28.639 the chat that mentioned that, I want to say that 1113 01:07:28.760 --> 01:07:33.199 real quick, that is, oh, are you serious. I want 1114 01:07:33.239 --> 01:07:35.079 to say that this is not a state. This is 1115 01:07:35.159 --> 01:07:38.360 not a Massachusetts thing. The one party state in the 1116 01:07:38.440 --> 01:07:41.119 political stuff has nothing to do with it. This has 1117 01:07:41.119 --> 01:07:44.440 happened in North Carolina. This has happened in Florida. This 1118 01:07:44.559 --> 01:07:47.880 has happened extensively in my home state of New York, 1119 01:07:47.960 --> 01:07:50.519 and particularly in New York City. Mark and I have 1120 01:07:50.639 --> 01:07:54.800 discussed several incidents in New York City. This has happened 1121 01:07:54.880 --> 01:07:59.079 in South Carolina. There are many states. 1122 01:07:59.639 --> 01:08:01.719 Phone yesterday in New York City. 1123 01:08:01.760 --> 01:08:05.599 I mean literally the chief of the NYPD, our commissioner, 1124 01:08:05.719 --> 01:08:08.000 had his phone day. I mean it's as part of 1125 01:08:08.079 --> 01:08:11.920 an investigation at the alleged corruption that may or may 1126 01:08:12.000 --> 01:08:14.719 not involve people close to Eric Adams, who's the mayor 1127 01:08:14.760 --> 01:08:15.400 of New York City. 1128 01:08:15.480 --> 01:08:17.119 So it happens everywhere. 1129 01:08:17.119 --> 01:08:19.520 But it's also important when somebody says our cops are bad, 1130 01:08:20.239 --> 01:08:24.039 you can't be that broad stroke. That's it's not fair 1131 01:08:24.119 --> 01:08:26.479 to good cops, including one who's on this panel. 1132 01:08:27.760 --> 01:08:32.960 Even while this may be true, there's Peter Murphy's Peter 1133 01:08:33.119 --> 01:08:37.079 Murphy's and Sean McDonough's, and Javier Vesquez and those two 1134 01:08:37.159 --> 01:08:41.720 gentlemen Gonzo and I can't remember the other gentleman from Vegas. Awesome, 1135 01:08:41.920 --> 01:08:46.439 awesome police officers. So anyway, all right, so Mizzy, did 1136 01:08:46.479 --> 01:08:51.239 you want to react to your buddy Suzanne's your colleagues topic. 1137 01:08:52.079 --> 01:08:54.800 I just think it's absolutely disturbing that he's still a 1138 01:08:54.920 --> 01:08:56.720 lawyer in practicing. 1139 01:08:59.520 --> 01:08:59.720 To me. 1140 01:09:00.239 --> 01:09:03.960 That that's to me, it's inappropriate that this man is 1141 01:09:04.079 --> 01:09:05.600 able to practice as a lawyer. 1142 01:09:06.720 --> 01:09:10.520 Not good for business. I can tell you that law 1143 01:09:10.600 --> 01:09:11.479 I mean, let's what. 1144 01:09:11.680 --> 01:09:13.479 I don't know what kind of law he practices, but 1145 01:09:13.680 --> 01:09:17.439 getting clients with being wrapped up in this is probably 1146 01:09:17.520 --> 01:09:18.800 not the best business model. 1147 01:09:19.640 --> 01:09:22.760 The problem with that is there's a lot of people 1148 01:09:22.840 --> 01:09:27.039 who I mean, now, after what happened last week, people 1149 01:09:27.319 --> 01:09:29.920 are hearing names, but his name isn't really being bounced 1150 01:09:29.920 --> 01:09:34.239 around with it. It's mostly Matthew. So, I mean, we 1151 01:09:34.439 --> 01:09:37.680 do a lot of standouts in Stone, like we've done 1152 01:09:37.760 --> 01:09:43.680 one almost every month and down into the town town square, 1153 01:09:44.199 --> 01:09:47.239 and there's so many many people that don't even realize 1154 01:09:47.640 --> 01:09:51.359 that Sandra Birchmore is from Stone. They think that she's, Oh, 1155 01:09:51.479 --> 01:09:55.119 she's that Canton girl that got murdered. So so he's 1156 01:09:55.199 --> 01:09:58.560 getting to represent people from in an area that people 1157 01:09:58.560 --> 01:10:01.119 don't even know that he's in a part of this case. 1158 01:10:01.840 --> 01:10:04.600 And that's what I find disserving that, like he's able 1159 01:10:04.680 --> 01:10:10.960 to operate with nobody really knowing what what he what 1160 01:10:11.079 --> 01:10:13.640 he did to Sandra Birgemore because he is this He 1161 01:10:13.880 --> 01:10:17.199 was part of the grooming. He did abuse Sandra. I 1162 01:10:17.279 --> 01:10:23.680 mean he was having activities in cars with Sandra and 1163 01:10:24.960 --> 01:10:28.640 Clindestine meetups with Sandra. He was part of the abuse 1164 01:10:28.720 --> 01:10:31.880 of Sandra. And he and like I said before, he 1165 01:10:32.239 --> 01:10:33.560 did groom the boys. 1166 01:10:34.279 --> 01:10:35.239 They were little. 1167 01:10:35.039 --> 01:10:37.560 Scumbags when they were a little young too, but he 1168 01:10:37.720 --> 01:10:42.359 did take them under his wing. Someone that Robert Divine 1169 01:10:42.439 --> 01:10:46.239 specifically groomed himself, who was in the class with these boys. 1170 01:10:46.720 --> 01:10:49.279 Is the one who said it he was grooming them too. 1171 01:10:50.680 --> 01:10:55.640 So this guy, to me, it's just astounding that he 1172 01:10:56.279 --> 01:10:58.600 is able to still operate as a lawyer. 1173 01:11:01.279 --> 01:11:03.640 And I'm not defending him, let me be clear, I'm 1174 01:11:03.760 --> 01:11:09.439 just being the lawyer. He's not charged with anything at 1175 01:11:09.479 --> 01:11:13.760 the moment. He's not formally accused of anything. And the 1176 01:11:13.840 --> 01:11:16.760 way the system is is he enjoys a presumption of 1177 01:11:16.840 --> 01:11:19.640 innocence the same way Farewell does. And you you know 1178 01:11:19.800 --> 01:11:23.279 he that's a hard concept. But clearly if he gets 1179 01:11:23.319 --> 01:11:26.560 implicated officially in any of this, and it doesn't even 1180 01:11:26.640 --> 01:11:30.600 mean indicted by the Feds, but just somehow gets publicly 1181 01:11:30.720 --> 01:11:33.000 linked to this, then you know he's going to have 1182 01:11:33.840 --> 01:11:37.479 problems with his law license and business and whatnot. But 1183 01:11:38.279 --> 01:11:41.680 I mean, there, it's up to any individual if they 1184 01:11:41.760 --> 01:11:44.199 want to hire him. I assume if they google him 1185 01:11:44.239 --> 01:11:46.279 they see all kinds of unpleasant things. 1186 01:11:47.039 --> 01:11:49.439 This certainly doesn't help that for him. I imagine these 1187 01:11:49.560 --> 01:11:53.720 kinds of forums. But you know, even a guy like that. 1188 01:11:54.119 --> 01:11:58.680 Until he's formally accused or whatever, is going to earn 1189 01:11:58.760 --> 01:12:02.479 his livelihood same way Farwell was. Until a week and 1190 01:12:02.520 --> 01:12:05.680 a half ago or two weeks ago, was literally driving 1191 01:12:05.720 --> 01:12:08.520 a truck until they told me he had been arrested 1192 01:12:08.560 --> 01:12:13.520 in New Mexico apparently. But you know, whatever will happen. 1193 01:12:13.520 --> 01:12:18.720 That was a joke, obviously, But whatever happened to Divine 1194 01:12:18.880 --> 01:12:22.159 will happen or it won't. But if he gets publicly 1195 01:12:22.279 --> 01:12:27.479 linked to this, there will be disciplinary proceedings. And of course, 1196 01:12:27.520 --> 01:12:32.199 if you ultimately are convicted of a felony, that's automatic dispartment. 1197 01:12:32.239 --> 01:12:34.960 I mean, there's a process for that. But you'll have 1198 01:12:35.319 --> 01:12:38.880 disciplinary problems if you're mixed up in a child grooming 1199 01:12:39.600 --> 01:12:43.399 investigation that ultimately results in your buddy, you know, being 1200 01:12:44.119 --> 01:12:47.039 accused of murdering an innocent young woman. 1201 01:12:48.920 --> 01:12:51.079 And as far as clients, Missy, I don't think my 1202 01:12:51.279 --> 01:12:56.119 miniature pincher mix Athena. I don't think she would hire Divine, 1203 01:12:56.159 --> 01:12:59.079 So I don't think he's in danger of getting any 1204 01:12:59.159 --> 01:12:59.720 new clients. 1205 01:13:00.680 --> 01:13:07.199 Peter does he does, He does have, He does have clients. 1206 01:13:08.000 --> 01:13:14.920 What kind of the Yeah, he's representing a state law 1207 01:13:14.960 --> 01:13:21.079 and wrongful termination and he specializes in tort law, which 1208 01:13:21.119 --> 01:13:23.880 is ironically what he's Yeah, that's quite cute. 1209 01:13:24.399 --> 01:13:28.640 Yeah, wow, Well, Athena has already barked that she would 1210 01:13:28.720 --> 01:13:30.800 not hire him. So I just want to say she 1211 01:13:30.880 --> 01:13:32.800 wants to say that for the record, I want to 1212 01:13:32.880 --> 01:13:43.720 record that. So anyway, Peter Peter and anything on Robert Divine. 1213 01:13:45.439 --> 01:13:49.000 I would just, I guess, like to suggest to submit that. 1214 01:13:51.359 --> 01:13:56.199 I got to believe and I do believe totally in 1215 01:13:56.640 --> 01:14:01.760 effectiveness and the efficiency of the FED. I'd go out 1216 01:14:01.760 --> 01:14:05.239 and a limit and speculate that they either came into 1217 01:14:05.359 --> 01:14:08.880 town on a case that was prior to the Sandral 1218 01:14:08.880 --> 01:14:12.239 Burchmore case, or that brought them to the Norfolk County. 1219 01:14:12.720 --> 01:14:17.920 And I believe that you know, they've got whatever Lovey 1220 01:14:17.960 --> 01:14:18.800 said the other day. 1221 01:14:18.640 --> 01:14:20.520 He's got one hundred and twenty five or one hundred 1222 01:14:20.520 --> 01:14:24.399 and fifty agents working out of that office on various cases. 1223 01:14:24.439 --> 01:14:29.079 And I think I think it would be very doubtful 1224 01:14:29.119 --> 01:14:31.399 if they don't have one hundred percent of what they 1225 01:14:31.479 --> 01:14:35.960 need on this case to bring pretty much everybody to justice. 1226 01:14:36.000 --> 01:14:38.359 And I'm sure when they they made that grab the 1227 01:14:38.439 --> 01:14:42.800 other day, not the one in New Mexico, the one 1228 01:14:42.840 --> 01:14:48.119 in Revere, I'm sure that you know the wires and 1229 01:14:48.760 --> 01:14:53.279 the chattel was just absolutely deafening, and that they gathered 1230 01:14:53.399 --> 01:14:56.760 and garnished a bunch more of information and targets, and. 1231 01:14:58.279 --> 01:14:59.880 Would I go out in a limit. 1232 01:14:59.640 --> 01:15:01.479 And do the over under that there's gonna be your 1233 01:15:01.479 --> 01:15:07.479 rest this week. I'd speculate there will be probably at 1234 01:15:07.560 --> 01:15:08.920 least one more, maybe two more. 1235 01:15:09.239 --> 01:15:12.520 And wow, I don't that's just I have no receipts 1236 01:15:12.560 --> 01:15:14.560 for that, So please don't don't go to the bank 1237 01:15:14.640 --> 01:15:17.520 with that. The check will bumps. But I really think 1238 01:15:17.600 --> 01:15:20.159 that that there's a lot more coming out of this 1239 01:15:20.359 --> 01:15:20.760 very soon. 1240 01:15:20.840 --> 01:15:24.279 I don't think they're gonna as you know, we've all indicated, 1241 01:15:24.359 --> 01:15:26.600 this is a horrific, horrific case. And if you read 1242 01:15:26.680 --> 01:15:32.239 those forty five pages, you just you're looking for help, 1243 01:15:32.439 --> 01:15:33.439 you're looking for medication. 1244 01:15:33.760 --> 01:15:35.600 They're so bad. And I don't think the FID they're 1245 01:15:35.640 --> 01:15:39.520 gonna let this go away anytime soon. As a matter 1246 01:15:39.560 --> 01:15:40.840 of fact, I think they're going to put an end 1247 01:15:40.880 --> 01:15:42.119 to it mighty fast. 1248 01:15:43.199 --> 01:15:46.560 Oh God Lord here prayer. I say that every time 1249 01:15:46.640 --> 01:15:50.279 we talk about these these cases where we're in need 1250 01:15:50.359 --> 01:15:55.119 of justice, Mark, do you have something that we can 1251 01:15:55.199 --> 01:15:56.359 chew on on the topic. 1252 01:15:57.199 --> 01:15:59.039 Well, how long? 1253 01:16:00.239 --> 01:16:02.800 And this is not meant that's not a joke, not hostilee. 1254 01:16:05.960 --> 01:16:10.600 I'm not even telling how long before they clean house, 1255 01:16:11.199 --> 01:16:15.680 Whether it's in the DA's office out there, the state 1256 01:16:15.760 --> 01:16:19.119 Police unit which lives in the DA's office and works 1257 01:16:19.199 --> 01:16:22.920 hand in hand with the DA's office, whether it even 1258 01:16:23.000 --> 01:16:26.479 extends to the Canton police. How much more are the 1259 01:16:26.600 --> 01:16:30.159 people who live out there supposed to take and have 1260 01:16:30.520 --> 01:16:33.920 such little confidence in what the local cops are doing, 1261 01:16:34.520 --> 01:16:37.800 what the state police are doing, what the district attorney 1262 01:16:37.960 --> 01:16:40.520 is doing in case after case that they just seem 1263 01:16:40.680 --> 01:16:46.920 completely incapable of investigating with any serious interest in the 1264 01:16:47.039 --> 01:16:51.640 truth for one reason or another. And you know, I 1265 01:16:51.800 --> 01:16:54.159 know they have a you know, new kernel coming in. 1266 01:16:55.479 --> 01:16:58.039 Whatever that really means or doesn't mean, I don't know, 1267 01:16:58.359 --> 01:17:02.880 but I mean, you have this arrangement where the state 1268 01:17:02.960 --> 01:17:05.640 police guys are living in the DA's office. For all 1269 01:17:05.720 --> 01:17:09.720 intents and purposes. They're all buddy buddy, they're eating lunch together, 1270 01:17:10.079 --> 01:17:14.319 they're hanging out with the das. It's just one big 1271 01:17:15.199 --> 01:17:21.239 incestuous law enforcement situation out there. And you can't have 1272 01:17:21.479 --> 01:17:25.159 that because that leads to corruption in many different forms. 1273 01:17:25.199 --> 01:17:27.000 It doesn't have to be the kind of corruption that 1274 01:17:27.119 --> 01:17:31.640 may lead to somebody shuffling and sprinkling tailite pieces all 1275 01:17:31.680 --> 01:17:33.840 over the lawn, which is an extreme form of corruption. 1276 01:17:33.920 --> 01:17:37.279 If you believe that, but little things, letting things slide, 1277 01:17:37.479 --> 01:17:40.319 like you see perhaps in this case, not being careful, 1278 01:17:40.800 --> 01:17:43.119 not looking under every rock because you don't want to 1279 01:17:43.239 --> 01:17:45.319 upset your buddies or you don't want to do this. 1280 01:17:46.640 --> 01:17:48.359 You dig deeper, and you see a lot of these 1281 01:17:48.399 --> 01:17:50.960 people in the state police they donate to the DA, 1282 01:17:51.439 --> 01:17:54.720 people in the das off financially donate. They're beholden to 1283 01:17:54.880 --> 01:17:59.359 each other that there's an unhealthy relationship there. It breeds corruption, 1284 01:18:00.079 --> 01:18:04.560 and corruption can be in the littlest forms. Okay, it 1285 01:18:04.640 --> 01:18:07.159 can be another example from the other case. It can 1286 01:18:07.239 --> 01:18:12.800 be not saying we can't use a video that's clearly 1287 01:18:13.479 --> 01:18:16.079 been flipped around and not proper because I don't want 1288 01:18:16.079 --> 01:18:17.960 to get this guy in trouble because he's my friend. 1289 01:18:19.000 --> 01:18:22.560 Those kinds of things, and it's just it goes on 1290 01:18:22.920 --> 01:18:26.039 in all these big cases. Nobody out there seems to 1291 01:18:26.119 --> 01:18:29.520 do anything about it. And are there going to be 1292 01:18:29.720 --> 01:18:32.520 lessons learned and something that I wasn't aware of today 1293 01:18:32.560 --> 01:18:35.520 And listening to some of the things, Missy, that you 1294 01:18:35.640 --> 01:18:40.039 were talking about about your conversations with Fanning or whatever. 1295 01:18:42.359 --> 01:18:46.119 The other problem in this culture, if you will, it 1296 01:18:46.359 --> 01:18:50.000 is the misogyny the I mean, I mean, you look 1297 01:18:50.119 --> 01:18:53.720 what's going on here, and you have Fanning, who is 1298 01:18:53.920 --> 01:18:58.159 you know, victim blaming and victim shame shaming a probably 1299 01:18:58.319 --> 01:19:03.479 murdered young woman. Okay, either way, even if you believe 1300 01:19:04.159 --> 01:19:07.319 she took her own life, how are you just not 1301 01:19:07.680 --> 01:19:11.560 more sympathetic to the horror show that she went through 1302 01:19:11.640 --> 01:19:13.680 that would have led her to do that. I mean, 1303 01:19:14.479 --> 01:19:16.920 she's a victim in every sense of the word, and 1304 01:19:17.000 --> 01:19:20.359 anyone with a police officer above and beyond anyone else, 1305 01:19:21.000 --> 01:19:25.279 should have some degree of respect for her and her family. 1306 01:19:25.960 --> 01:19:30.600 And so you say, but you know, they're calling her promiscuous, 1307 01:19:30.720 --> 01:19:33.560 they're telling you these things. And then you sit there 1308 01:19:33.560 --> 01:19:35.359 and you say, oh yeah, let me go back to 1309 01:19:35.439 --> 01:19:38.439 that other you know, other big case and say go 1310 01:19:38.560 --> 01:19:42.560 back to the text messages about these are the kind 1311 01:19:42.600 --> 01:19:45.640 of guys who would talk like that, right who send 1312 01:19:45.760 --> 01:19:50.960 their you know, their their their bros. These messages about 1313 01:19:51.039 --> 01:19:56.199 saying terrible things about women. Nobody's getting upset, nobody's telling 1314 01:19:56.279 --> 01:19:59.479 them to stop. And this is the culture of the 1315 01:20:00.199 --> 01:20:05.720 Folk State police people. And at what point is enough 1316 01:20:05.840 --> 01:20:08.399 enough and you fumigate it, you just you blow it 1317 01:20:08.520 --> 01:20:11.920 up enough, get them out of there because they're either 1318 01:20:12.119 --> 01:20:16.439 incompetent on these cases or worse, and neither one of 1319 01:20:16.479 --> 01:20:21.159 those is acceptable, right, I mean, this is this is 1320 01:20:21.199 --> 01:20:25.319 a shit show either way, and people deserve better, and 1321 01:20:25.880 --> 01:20:28.439 it just keeps happening, and how can anyone have any 1322 01:20:28.479 --> 01:20:31.239 confidence in what they're doing? And to go back to 1323 01:20:31.319 --> 01:20:33.800 something Suzanne was then saying, which is and then the 1324 01:20:33.880 --> 01:20:36.199 people who lose in this are the good cops, and 1325 01:20:36.279 --> 01:20:38.760 they're the ones who get demoralized because they take the 1326 01:20:38.800 --> 01:20:40.800 heat for the crappy cops. And then you get people 1327 01:20:40.840 --> 01:20:43.199 who say, I hate the cops, they all suck, they're 1328 01:20:43.239 --> 01:20:47.439 all bad. That's totally untrue, but you see it again 1329 01:20:47.439 --> 01:20:50.079 and again. What's going on there? You can understand why 1330 01:20:50.159 --> 01:20:53.640 people feel like that. And then it demoralizes the cops. 1331 01:20:53.760 --> 01:20:56.319 Then people good cops don't want to stay. They go 1332 01:20:58.039 --> 01:21:00.520 New ones who you know you'd want to become don't 1333 01:21:00.560 --> 01:21:03.680 come in, so the competence gets even worse, and it 1334 01:21:03.920 --> 01:21:10.840 just gets It's awful, and just how much more of this? 1335 01:21:11.359 --> 01:21:13.279 I don't you know, I don't know what else can 1336 01:21:13.319 --> 01:21:13.600 be done. 1337 01:21:13.600 --> 01:21:14.239 I don't know if this. 1338 01:21:14.359 --> 01:21:18.520 Colonel has any real power. But you need a new 1339 01:21:18.560 --> 01:21:22.640 district attorney. You need new troopers, you need new police 1340 01:21:22.680 --> 01:21:25.960 officers at these towns, and ultimately, nothing's ever going to 1341 01:21:26.079 --> 01:21:28.920 change with the people who live there don't vote and 1342 01:21:29.439 --> 01:21:30.079 make it happen. 1343 01:21:32.640 --> 01:21:37.000 Yeah. Apparently one of my awesome teammates from Dean was 1344 01:21:37.319 --> 01:21:40.920 Colonel Mand's roommate when they were young cops. So yeah, 1345 01:21:41.000 --> 01:21:44.000 we spoke a little bit about him. Nurse Kim, when's 1346 01:21:44.039 --> 01:21:45.479 the other shoe going to drop? Do you think that 1347 01:21:45.600 --> 01:21:48.159 there's going to be some sort of accountability? How do 1348 01:21:48.239 --> 01:21:49.640 you see that framing up? Man? 1349 01:21:50.640 --> 01:21:54.239 Yeah, I hope that there is accountability. I do still 1350 01:21:54.359 --> 01:21:58.840 have faith in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts that we need 1351 01:21:58.960 --> 01:22:02.439 to make this right. Okay, And I am not a 1352 01:22:02.520 --> 01:22:08.479 constituent of Norfolk County, but I would just like to 1353 01:22:08.800 --> 01:22:12.840 kind of say that I've heard a narrative, and we've 1354 01:22:12.920 --> 01:22:16.920 seen this narrative with an old school way of thinking, 1355 01:22:17.039 --> 01:22:20.199 and this is very I know that it does not 1356 01:22:20.439 --> 01:22:23.960 only happen in Massachusetts. I get that, guys, but remember 1357 01:22:24.199 --> 01:22:27.560 we're the first, right, We're the Pilgrims bits so like 1358 01:22:28.279 --> 01:22:32.159 the we are the head of this and we were 1359 01:22:32.199 --> 01:22:35.760 the first of the fifty states and of the thirteen colonies. 1360 01:22:35.800 --> 01:22:37.039 I mean, let's go all the way back. 1361 01:22:37.159 --> 01:22:41.720 But it has been troublesome. This is decades in the making. 1362 01:22:41.880 --> 01:22:46.159 This is not something that happened overnight. This was insidious, 1363 01:22:46.439 --> 01:22:52.079 This was pervasive, and it goes through many levels. The 1364 01:22:52.159 --> 01:22:57.279 most concerning for me, though, is this narrative that Sandra is, 1365 01:22:58.319 --> 01:23:00.079 you know, damaged by I. 1366 01:23:01.359 --> 01:23:03.880 She was a damaged person. This is why this happened 1367 01:23:03.880 --> 01:23:04.239 to her. 1368 01:23:04.680 --> 01:23:07.039 And I'm gonna say this loud, and I've said it 1369 01:23:07.119 --> 01:23:09.520 on every one of my shows, but I'm not gonna 1370 01:23:09.560 --> 01:23:14.239 stop saying it. It is that damage was done to 1371 01:23:14.560 --> 01:23:22.720 Sandra Birchmore. Sandra Birchmore was not damaged, Okay, do you do? 1372 01:23:22.800 --> 01:23:24.760 You are you picking up what I'm putting down. 1373 01:23:24.640 --> 01:23:27.680 Everyone, because she was not born damaged. 1374 01:23:27.880 --> 01:23:28.279 He was. 1375 01:23:31.960 --> 01:23:35.880 And this is something that kind of gets lost in 1376 01:23:35.960 --> 01:23:38.520 the sauce somehow. And I don't know if it's like 1377 01:23:38.640 --> 01:23:42.439 a male versus female situation. But of course, Attorney Bettero 1378 01:23:42.720 --> 01:23:45.159 is incredible and he is just saying all of that. 1379 01:23:45.760 --> 01:23:49.680 But I just wanted to say that when predators sink 1380 01:23:49.760 --> 01:23:54.640 their teeth into our vulnerable children, and that's what it is, guys, okay, 1381 01:23:54.880 --> 01:24:02.279 is that predators grooming and predatory behavior happened, and petit. Well, 1382 01:24:02.720 --> 01:24:05.960 let's just say perpetrators are going to look for a 1383 01:24:06.000 --> 01:24:10.079 specific demographic. They are going to smell the weakness of 1384 01:24:10.399 --> 01:24:12.920 whatever it is, a self esteem maybe not a two 1385 01:24:13.359 --> 01:24:17.000 home household. And it doesn't mean that you as a 1386 01:24:17.199 --> 01:24:21.079 child or as a family and a functioning unit. If 1387 01:24:21.119 --> 01:24:23.720 you're a single parent, you're fine, you know, of course, 1388 01:24:23.760 --> 01:24:27.119 there's nothing wrong with that. We just want to let 1389 01:24:27.199 --> 01:24:30.039 you know that, you know, there are people that are 1390 01:24:30.199 --> 01:24:32.960 sick and twisted in this world. Just watch out for 1391 01:24:33.079 --> 01:24:36.680 our children, watch out for each other. And I pray 1392 01:24:36.800 --> 01:24:39.600 that the I pray that the end is near, and 1393 01:24:39.760 --> 01:24:43.159 the Norfolk DA's office is you know, burn it all 1394 01:24:43.239 --> 01:24:46.039 down in my not not the actual place, but you know, 1395 01:24:46.239 --> 01:24:49.520 just burn it all down and start from the beginning again. 1396 01:24:50.920 --> 01:24:53.840 Yeah, well can we can we just evacuate the building first, Kim? 1397 01:24:55.520 --> 01:25:01.520 Yeah, no no burning, no burning, no metaphory metaphorical metaphorical burning, Okay, 1398 01:25:02.640 --> 01:25:06.000 perhaps an axe handle and I don't know anyway, And 1399 01:25:06.119 --> 01:25:07.680 to what Mark said. 1400 01:25:07.479 --> 01:25:09.800 I just want to say, I just took the DD 1401 01:25:09.960 --> 01:25:15.960 ethics course and you absolutely cannot give gifts to your 1402 01:25:16.000 --> 01:25:20.640 supervisor or donations. You cannot do that that is a 1403 01:25:21.359 --> 01:25:24.359 huge no no. In fact, at Christmas time they're limited 1404 01:25:24.439 --> 01:25:28.960 to like a ten dollars a gift among like colleagues, 1405 01:25:29.000 --> 01:25:31.439 and then there's a limit like if you have three 1406 01:25:31.560 --> 01:25:35.439 or four people get a gift. But that's that is it. Man. 1407 01:25:35.560 --> 01:25:39.840 You cannot be making donations to your supervisor like these 1408 01:25:39.960 --> 01:25:44.800 idiots are to Morrissey. Sorry anyway, I digress. 1409 01:25:47.359 --> 01:25:49.079 Won't do anything for Christmas. Mark, Now. 1410 01:25:51.479 --> 01:25:56.760 We're not a public servant, So well right, anything you 1411 01:25:56.920 --> 01:25:59.560 want for Christmas, see bring. 1412 01:25:59.520 --> 01:26:02.319 It, yeah and call a name. You can't get anything 1413 01:26:02.399 --> 01:26:06.119 for minihand for Christmas, just so you know, all right, 1414 01:26:06.239 --> 01:26:09.399 So David has a questionnaire. David, thank you very much 1415 01:26:09.720 --> 01:26:13.840 for the donation. If you have a question and you 1416 01:26:13.960 --> 01:26:16.600 also have a blessing for us, that's awesome. And if 1417 01:26:16.640 --> 01:26:18.560 you don't, we're still going to try to get to it. Mark. 1418 01:26:18.640 --> 01:26:21.079 If the Feds take over per Se, can't police department 1419 01:26:21.479 --> 01:26:25.199 can or will the use of polygraphs be used basically 1420 01:26:25.319 --> 01:26:28.840 to help eliminate corruption? I can answer that one, but 1421 01:26:29.000 --> 01:26:29.399 go ahead. 1422 01:26:29.680 --> 01:26:31.199 Feds do polygraphs. 1423 01:26:31.239 --> 01:26:33.880 I mean they're not admissible in court, as everyone knows, 1424 01:26:34.479 --> 01:26:41.479 but the FBI absolutely uses polygraphs both internally if there 1425 01:26:41.560 --> 01:26:45.439 are issues or in sometimes trying to determine whether someone's 1426 01:26:45.479 --> 01:26:50.239 being credible. A polygraph, as many people know, it's not 1427 01:26:50.359 --> 01:26:53.840 a lie detector. I know that's the colloquial. They detect 1428 01:26:53.880 --> 01:26:57.560 deception or a lack thereof. But they're all dependent upon 1429 01:26:58.319 --> 01:27:02.319 the critical questions being asked, you know, and whether they're clear. 1430 01:27:02.640 --> 01:27:07.479 And they only ask about three pertinent questions. Some people 1431 01:27:07.720 --> 01:27:10.399 rely on them, some don't. But if the Feds were 1432 01:27:10.439 --> 01:27:14.199 coming in to try and figure out who's who's good, 1433 01:27:14.279 --> 01:27:17.079 who's bad, yeah, they could definitely do that for sure. 1434 01:27:18.880 --> 01:27:23.720 Every single FBI agent goes through a federal polygraph, Every 1435 01:27:23.880 --> 01:27:28.279 single Customs and Border Protection Customs and Border Control agent 1436 01:27:28.399 --> 01:27:31.319 gets a polygraph, and of course in the Department of 1437 01:27:31.399 --> 01:27:36.319 Defense it's a TSSCI And if you go to there's 1438 01:27:36.359 --> 01:27:41.600 one step above that. It's a polygraph level for certain 1439 01:27:41.760 --> 01:27:47.520 positions that go even beyond sensitive compartment and information. For Mark. 1440 01:27:47.840 --> 01:27:50.880 Thank you romy again, my homie, thank you so much 1441 01:27:50.960 --> 01:27:55.079 for mister Mark betro Can you talk about the filing 1442 01:27:55.199 --> 01:27:59.159 regarding Proctor's electronic data. I don't understand the Norfolk DA's 1443 01:28:00.119 --> 01:28:03.039 office gets to decide what's turned over. 1444 01:28:04.760 --> 01:28:09.359 Well, people need to understand how Brady works. And it's 1445 01:28:09.439 --> 01:28:12.119 offensive because you know, there appears to be a track 1446 01:28:12.239 --> 01:28:15.720 record in this particular county of maybe not being diligent 1447 01:28:15.880 --> 01:28:20.600 in turning over discoverable or sculpatory evidence. But this is 1448 01:28:20.600 --> 01:28:23.640 the way the system works. There is not a working 1449 01:28:23.800 --> 01:28:29.760 presumption that prosecutors are unethical or engage in malpractice. And 1450 01:28:29.880 --> 01:28:33.760 the way the system survives is that the presumption is 1451 01:28:33.800 --> 01:28:36.800 the exact opposite, that they are going to do what 1452 01:28:36.880 --> 01:28:39.239 they're supposed to do. And whether you want to believe 1453 01:28:39.319 --> 01:28:43.560 that or not, given these people, that's how Brady works. 1454 01:28:44.000 --> 01:28:46.880 You are relying upon them in the first instance, to 1455 01:28:47.600 --> 01:28:50.840 disclose what they are supposed to turn over, and of 1456 01:28:50.960 --> 01:28:55.199 course the risk if they don't and you later determined 1457 01:28:55.239 --> 01:28:59.039 that they withheld or suppressed what the word lawyers would 1458 01:28:59.119 --> 01:29:03.000 use rbal evidence that was in their possession. Custodier control 1459 01:29:04.239 --> 01:29:09.720 evidence gets suppressed, convictions get reversed, prosecutors get brought up on, 1460 01:29:10.039 --> 01:29:15.560 you know, in front of disciplinary proceedings or worse, depending. 1461 01:29:15.199 --> 01:29:16.399 On you know how bad it is. 1462 01:29:16.560 --> 01:29:16.720 You know. 1463 01:29:17.000 --> 01:29:21.279 The extreme example is Wendy Murphy's friend Mike Knifong, the 1464 01:29:21.520 --> 01:29:27.000 former DA of the Durham Durham, North Carolina, who actually 1465 01:29:27.119 --> 01:29:31.560 went to jail because he suppressed, you know, biological evidence 1466 01:29:31.560 --> 01:29:35.239 which would have helped clear those the Duke lacrosse players. 1467 01:29:36.319 --> 01:29:42.640 But as far as Procter, so, they already have his 1468 01:29:43.039 --> 01:29:46.279 private phone text messages and they're going to have to, 1469 01:29:46.600 --> 01:29:49.279 most likely any of the bad ones turn those over. 1470 01:29:50.079 --> 01:29:56.119 They certainly adversely impact his credibility, which also is considered exculpatory. 1471 01:29:56.920 --> 01:29:59.159 So the trick now becomes what about the work phone 1472 01:29:59.159 --> 01:30:01.439 and the disclosure they made yesterday? So the first thing 1473 01:30:01.479 --> 01:30:04.800 that's going to trigger everyone is the extraction reports that 1474 01:30:04.840 --> 01:30:07.760 they got were done by the state police. So before 1475 01:30:07.800 --> 01:30:11.880 you even get to how wonderful the DA's office is here, 1476 01:30:11.960 --> 01:30:15.159 you are again, do you trust you know, Guarino and 1477 01:30:15.199 --> 01:30:18.439 these other guys who screwed up the extractions and Karen 1478 01:30:18.479 --> 01:30:22.479 Reid who probably screwed up the extractions in this case 1479 01:30:22.520 --> 01:30:25.920 that we're talking about tonight and you know other cases 1480 01:30:25.960 --> 01:30:28.000 down the line which I'm sure will be discussed. 1481 01:30:29.119 --> 01:30:30.039 Did they do that right? 1482 01:30:30.159 --> 01:30:32.359 And then do you trust the Norfolk DA to turn 1483 01:30:32.439 --> 01:30:35.560 over what they're supposed to When most people will say no, 1484 01:30:36.359 --> 01:30:41.239 but no judge is going to literally say I want 1485 01:30:41.279 --> 01:30:44.680 to inspect these in camera, and I'll determine what's going 1486 01:30:44.760 --> 01:30:48.439 to be turned over without more, They're just not going 1487 01:30:48.520 --> 01:30:50.640 to do it, so you're going to be stuck with 1488 01:30:51.000 --> 01:30:52.960 them trying to figure it out. 1489 01:30:53.039 --> 01:30:53.159 Now. 1490 01:30:53.279 --> 01:30:55.319 One of the things they kind of snuck in their 1491 01:30:55.439 --> 01:31:00.840 letter was this idea, we're considering hiring and outside company 1492 01:31:00.960 --> 01:31:05.159 to help us do that. You know, at first blush, 1493 01:31:05.399 --> 01:31:09.600 that sounds like a good thing, But I look at 1494 01:31:09.640 --> 01:31:12.000 it in a different way and say, are you people 1495 01:31:12.239 --> 01:31:16.359 really morons to this level where you need help from 1496 01:31:16.399 --> 01:31:21.720 an outside agency to look at this data and tell 1497 01:31:21.800 --> 01:31:26.680 you what your ethical responsibilities are in disclosing favorable evidence. 1498 01:31:26.760 --> 01:31:29.600 It's not that complicated because what you can always do 1499 01:31:29.840 --> 01:31:32.319 is air on the side of disclosure, which is what 1500 01:31:32.359 --> 01:31:33.159 you're supposed to do. 1501 01:31:33.600 --> 01:31:33.760 Now. 1502 01:31:34.319 --> 01:31:37.640 Last point on this, you don't just get his whole phone. 1503 01:31:37.720 --> 01:31:40.279 It doesn't work that way. They have a fair point 1504 01:31:40.359 --> 01:31:44.439 about confidential investigative stuff that you don't get to see. 1505 01:31:45.359 --> 01:31:48.239 If there are, you know, horrible autopsy photos of a 1506 01:31:48.359 --> 01:31:51.079 murder victim that has nothing to do, you know, that 1507 01:31:51.199 --> 01:31:55.319 shouldn't be disclosed. If there are names and stuff about 1508 01:31:55.399 --> 01:32:00.239 confidential informants in cases who've done nothing wrong, know that 1509 01:32:00.640 --> 01:32:04.359 that stuff shouldn't be disclosed, But in terms of having 1510 01:32:04.359 --> 01:32:06.439 any confidence that they're going to turn over what they're 1511 01:32:06.479 --> 01:32:09.840 supposed to, it's hard to do that. When they're saying, 1512 01:32:09.960 --> 01:32:13.800 we may actually seek out help to help us do that. 1513 01:32:13.920 --> 01:32:17.359 I mean that that's just yeah, remarkable to me. 1514 01:32:18.319 --> 01:32:23.199 They're really good at bsing people who are super naive. Hey, Chavon, 1515 01:32:23.720 --> 01:32:28.039 I saw your question for Peter. We are going to 1516 01:32:28.079 --> 01:32:30.880 get to that question. We want to get through the roundtable. 1517 01:32:30.960 --> 01:32:34.239 So let the roundtable portion of this, So let's sort 1518 01:32:34.279 --> 01:32:36.960 of pick up the pace. We have twenty five minutes 1519 01:32:37.000 --> 01:32:40.600 till Turtle Boy takes over the airways and we'll all 1520 01:32:40.640 --> 01:32:45.319 be tuned into the Turtle Boy. So I think, Kim, 1521 01:32:45.399 --> 01:32:47.920 did you get to let me see? The last person 1522 01:32:48.000 --> 01:32:51.960 went it was Mark's topic? Right, yep, So it goes 1523 01:32:52.000 --> 01:32:56.600 to Missy right, I was the first one. So, oh 1524 01:32:56.680 --> 01:32:58.359 you were I thought it was Mark's topic. 1525 01:32:59.439 --> 01:33:00.760 Oh, that was Mark's topic. 1526 01:33:00.880 --> 01:33:06.119 But did you get to comment on Kim? She didn't. 1527 01:33:06.520 --> 01:33:10.600 I didn't know. Yeah, okay, Nurse Kim. 1528 01:33:13.319 --> 01:33:14.960 Oh wait, so I'm gonna go or is is he 1529 01:33:15.000 --> 01:33:15.520 going to comment? 1530 01:33:16.239 --> 01:33:18.479 No? I believe I didn't know if you got to 1531 01:33:18.560 --> 01:33:22.520 comment on Mark's topic. It turned into more of a 1532 01:33:22.600 --> 01:33:25.319 statement than a than a topic. But if you want 1533 01:33:25.359 --> 01:33:29.760 to extract something from that, like practice cell phone, go ahead. Nope, 1534 01:33:33.159 --> 01:33:36.359 all right, go, Well, mine's. 1535 01:33:36.079 --> 01:33:39.520 To kind of go along with what Kim said. You know, 1536 01:33:39.640 --> 01:33:44.479 people got to understand that at twelve into thirteen, Sander 1537 01:33:44.680 --> 01:33:50.960 was groomed, defiled, disrespected, disregarded, coerced by these disgusting men, 1538 01:33:52.319 --> 01:33:56.840 and ultimately murdered by one of them. But she was 1539 01:33:56.920 --> 01:34:03.239 also discarded disrespected by the investigators who should have looked 1540 01:34:03.279 --> 01:34:06.600 out for her and taking care of her, and they 1541 01:34:06.680 --> 01:34:09.399 all end up being police officers. So on both ends 1542 01:34:09.439 --> 01:34:12.239 of it, you know, the police didn't take care of 1543 01:34:12.359 --> 01:34:14.600 Sandra when they should have been the ones who took 1544 01:34:14.640 --> 01:34:15.520 care of her the most. 1545 01:34:16.560 --> 01:34:23.800 So I'll just say that, yeah, yeah, the mindset we 1546 01:34:23.960 --> 01:34:27.039 kind of tried to get into the mindset the Hubris 1547 01:34:27.159 --> 01:34:30.520 where what is the genesis of where people go, I 1548 01:34:30.680 --> 01:34:33.159 can do this and I can get away with it 1549 01:34:33.880 --> 01:34:35.680 and nobody's going to hold me to account for it. 1550 01:34:36.039 --> 01:34:38.640 That I think literally, we could probably do a good 1551 01:34:38.760 --> 01:34:41.760 thirty minutes on that topic. But did you have any 1552 01:34:42.359 --> 01:34:45.520 commentary on on what Mark brought out? 1553 01:34:46.680 --> 01:34:53.159 Peter on what the phone disclosure was the other day. 1554 01:34:53.600 --> 01:34:58.800 Now I'm fumigating them from top to bottom, all of 1555 01:34:58.880 --> 01:34:59.920 the cast of characters. 1556 01:35:00.079 --> 01:35:03.079 You just do this apparently again and again, and it's 1557 01:35:03.119 --> 01:35:05.479 like groundhog Day on these investigations. 1558 01:35:05.560 --> 01:35:06.520 It's just awful. 1559 01:35:08.560 --> 01:35:11.760 Just I concur with that, and I've been advocating that. 1560 01:35:11.920 --> 01:35:14.319 I've been I've been talking to a lot of people, 1561 01:35:14.800 --> 01:35:20.000 including on many of the Canton media sites, Mark. 1562 01:35:21.279 --> 01:35:21.960 Receivership. 1563 01:35:23.199 --> 01:35:26.439 I mean, at some point, you know, I know for 1564 01:35:26.520 --> 01:35:30.880 a fact that the town of Canton residents, many of 1565 01:35:30.920 --> 01:35:32.399 them are talking about moving. 1566 01:35:32.199 --> 01:35:32.760 Out of town. 1567 01:35:33.079 --> 01:35:35.800 They said, this is just horrible. We don't trust our 1568 01:35:35.840 --> 01:35:38.640 police department. We're almost afraid to down line one to one. 1569 01:35:41.439 --> 01:35:45.239 It's a culture that, you know. 1570 01:35:45.359 --> 01:35:48.600 And I'm not, I believe, I'm not painting the Department 1571 01:35:48.640 --> 01:35:52.119 of Canton Police Department with a bright white brush. But 1572 01:35:52.239 --> 01:35:57.840 there's an inherent problem there and with some people apparently 1573 01:35:57.920 --> 01:36:00.760 and obviously with the DA's office and the state Police. 1574 01:36:00.800 --> 01:36:02.399 And I mean one. 1575 01:36:02.279 --> 01:36:05.720 Example would be, look at man has been in office 1576 01:36:06.399 --> 01:36:11.439 as the acting colonel for what eighteen months? Now, suddenly 1577 01:36:12.039 --> 01:36:14.520 they're going to bring in this gentleman from New Jersey. 1578 01:36:15.199 --> 01:36:20.920 I have not vetted him yet I know I'll use 1579 01:36:20.960 --> 01:36:23.479 his name. Howard Carr has looked at it and said 1580 01:36:23.560 --> 01:36:30.199 he's got concerns. But I think again I mentioned it 1581 01:36:30.640 --> 01:36:32.680 fish rots from the head down. You've got to start 1582 01:36:32.720 --> 01:36:34.560 at the top. You've got to start with the select board. 1583 01:36:34.600 --> 01:36:36.560 You've got to start with the governor. You've got to start. 1584 01:36:37.199 --> 01:36:39.079 You've got to start somewhere. And you've got to work 1585 01:36:39.199 --> 01:36:39.720 down and and. 1586 01:36:40.359 --> 01:36:41.119 Vet these people. 1587 01:36:41.359 --> 01:36:45.520 And you know, unfortunately the good cops can't say anything 1588 01:36:46.039 --> 01:36:49.880 because they will be their career will be over for 1589 01:36:49.960 --> 01:36:52.800 all intensive purpose, and they'll and they could be even hunted. 1590 01:36:52.880 --> 01:36:55.359 And I mean I've been told just for my speaking 1591 01:36:55.439 --> 01:36:57.520 out to stay out of Canton because it's a target 1592 01:36:57.600 --> 01:36:59.960 on my back whatever that means. 1593 01:37:00.479 --> 01:37:03.319 So it's it's tough. 1594 01:37:04.640 --> 01:37:10.920 I'll leave it it down that that really makes me sad, Suzanne, Like, 1595 01:37:11.000 --> 01:37:14.720 do you have for like in The Godfather One, I 1596 01:37:14.800 --> 01:37:17.079 think it was the little thing of being sect aside 1597 01:37:17.640 --> 01:37:21.880 that the Corleone child as Dodd Corleone had a heart attack. 1598 01:37:21.920 --> 01:37:23.560 Do you have something like that you could use on 1599 01:37:24.079 --> 01:37:27.159 on the Normoka District Attorney. 1600 01:37:27.880 --> 01:37:29.680 Well, I'm going to err on the side of my 1601 01:37:31.039 --> 01:37:35.920 optimism and naive tay as far as maybe getting some 1602 01:37:36.039 --> 01:37:40.479 help and support for the officers that that are already 1603 01:37:40.520 --> 01:37:44.199 in these systems, because you know, to Peter's point, and 1604 01:37:44.479 --> 01:37:47.680 maybe I mentioned it earlier, if the good officers are 1605 01:37:47.960 --> 01:37:51.840 tormented by the bad officers and they're in fear of retaliation, 1606 01:37:53.159 --> 01:37:56.760 and they're looking over their shoulders for that danger instead 1607 01:37:56.800 --> 01:38:00.880 of the danger in the community, then how can they 1608 01:38:01.119 --> 01:38:04.000 how can they function? It's you know, it's not it's 1609 01:38:04.039 --> 01:38:07.680 not the faults of the honorable protect and serve, but 1610 01:38:07.880 --> 01:38:12.159 what systems are in place to help them? I mean, 1611 01:38:12.279 --> 01:38:15.600 again my pie in the sky idea of you know, 1612 01:38:16.119 --> 01:38:21.199 sort of intervention you know, within the departments and outside agencies, 1613 01:38:22.520 --> 01:38:28.479 maybe some that are civilian instead of other cops helping 1614 01:38:29.199 --> 01:38:32.039 cops already there. I mean, they're I don't, I don't 1615 01:38:32.039 --> 01:38:35.239 want to use the word in incestuous about fixing a problem, 1616 01:38:35.520 --> 01:38:40.039 but it's already a problem that the cops are investigating 1617 01:38:40.119 --> 01:38:42.680 other cops. We already saw that that didn't work out 1618 01:38:42.800 --> 01:38:48.039 very well. So maybe some civilian oversight, some therapy, you know, 1619 01:38:48.399 --> 01:38:51.600 I don't. I'm not a person to decide these things. 1620 01:38:51.920 --> 01:38:54.720 That's why I'm baffled when I'm having these conversations with 1621 01:38:54.800 --> 01:39:00.880 those who are expert allegedly in these things. What you know, 1622 01:39:01.119 --> 01:39:03.359 isn't there a task force that may come in to 1623 01:39:03.640 --> 01:39:08.039 assist in a crisis adult situations such as Stowton and 1624 01:39:08.199 --> 01:39:09.680 Canton are in at this point. 1625 01:39:11.760 --> 01:39:16.359 Yeah, that's a that's a beautiful take on it, you know, 1626 01:39:16.520 --> 01:39:19.199 and maybe it will take, you know, an outside agency, 1627 01:39:19.279 --> 01:39:22.640 And I think that's what Peter's kind of aiming for 1628 01:39:22.880 --> 01:39:26.159 with his initiatives. And relative to the New I believe 1629 01:39:26.159 --> 01:39:29.760 it or not, the New York State Police New York 1630 01:39:29.800 --> 01:39:32.840 State Trooper colonel is a classmate of mine from high school. 1631 01:39:33.079 --> 01:39:35.560 So I'm gonna see if he knows who this gentleman 1632 01:39:35.680 --> 01:39:38.960 is from New Jersey. It's possible they've been at symposiums 1633 01:39:39.000 --> 01:39:41.920 together or formal schools. Some of these guys even go 1634 01:39:42.079 --> 01:39:46.159 to like some of the senior officer schools like in 1635 01:39:46.159 --> 01:39:49.319 Annapolis and so forth. They are state police that get 1636 01:39:49.359 --> 01:39:52.720 to go to those those leadership schools, and that the 1637 01:39:52.840 --> 01:39:55.199 names of them are escaping me, but I know that 1638 01:39:56.039 --> 01:39:57.399 some police get to go to those. 1639 01:39:58.079 --> 01:40:01.920 Well, how about it. He's and in some some differently 1640 01:40:02.000 --> 01:40:05.479 he's not biased by the same players in the same state. 1641 01:40:05.680 --> 01:40:08.199 So there's already optimism in that that it's not his 1642 01:40:08.720 --> 01:40:12.560 golf buddies that he's you know, coming into it. It's 1643 01:40:12.760 --> 01:40:17.439 just it's overwhelming how much how much everybody is altogether, 1644 01:40:17.520 --> 01:40:20.000 how much is the same people over and over and over. Yes, 1645 01:40:21.000 --> 01:40:25.840 so change obvious needs to occur. And and I'm piggybacking 1646 01:40:25.880 --> 01:40:28.439 off of a point Mark made that's not even relevant 1647 01:40:28.479 --> 01:40:31.600 to what you asked me. But about the the the 1648 01:40:31.680 --> 01:40:35.760 cell phone issue and all of that it with with Procter, 1649 01:40:36.479 --> 01:40:39.119 it's going to be it's going to be eclipsed by 1650 01:40:39.760 --> 01:40:42.760 what we're going to find in the case that we're 1651 01:40:42.800 --> 01:40:46.119 talking about right now. It's it's another one of those 1652 01:40:46.199 --> 01:40:50.600 sort of Okay, you were upset and disgusted and horrified 1653 01:40:50.680 --> 01:40:53.479 about what was being said by Procter on the stand, 1654 01:40:54.600 --> 01:40:56.640 You better be sitting down for what you're going to 1655 01:40:56.720 --> 01:41:03.079 hear that that's coming out of Fannings his knowledge from 1656 01:41:03.119 --> 01:41:06.000 this case, because it's going to be horrendous. I mean 1657 01:41:06.960 --> 01:41:11.720 that the conversations leading up to Matthew Farwell's arrest, there 1658 01:41:11.760 --> 01:41:15.479 were incidents where there were things being discussed about, joking 1659 01:41:15.760 --> 01:41:21.159 about how Sander was found. There is there is no 1660 01:41:21.399 --> 01:41:29.039 depth to describe exactly how terrible these communications are, and. 1661 01:41:29.159 --> 01:41:32.199 Did they ever think about maybe choosing a couple of 1662 01:41:32.279 --> 01:41:35.960 troopers to investigate the case that weren't former stotent cops. 1663 01:41:36.000 --> 01:41:39.239 Did that ever occur to anybody from an ethical standpoint? 1664 01:41:39.319 --> 01:41:39.720 Probably not. 1665 01:41:40.319 --> 01:41:41.760 That's a really good question. 1666 01:41:42.199 --> 01:41:44.359 For that issue. I mean, you don't. You don't even 1667 01:41:44.399 --> 01:41:47.479 take pause if you hear your your buddy talking about 1668 01:41:49.600 --> 01:41:53.199 this deceased girl in a joking manner. Unbelievable. 1669 01:41:55.000 --> 01:41:57.960 Yeah, it's uh. But they don't, as Mar's pointed out 1670 01:41:58.039 --> 01:42:02.960 on many occasions, they don't shame, they don't self reflect, 1671 01:42:03.199 --> 01:42:08.239 and they don't Ethics is not a consideration, and and 1672 01:42:08.439 --> 01:42:11.920 what's right and what's what's legal, ethical, moral are not 1673 01:42:12.159 --> 01:42:15.199 considerations for these people. And that's where the hubrist comes in. 1674 01:42:15.560 --> 01:42:18.279 We don't need to care about that. That's that's not 1675 01:42:18.680 --> 01:42:22.079 something we worry about. That's something you worry about, you 1676 01:42:22.239 --> 01:42:24.560 people out there. We don't worry about that because we 1677 01:42:24.640 --> 01:42:25.640 got each other's back. 1678 01:42:25.840 --> 01:42:28.439 Well, that's the laziness and arrogance, and that leads to 1679 01:42:28.520 --> 01:42:33.239 corruption at I mean, that's it's it's not unique in 1680 01:42:33.319 --> 01:42:36.079 any situation where you get the same people in power, 1681 01:42:36.159 --> 01:42:39.479 they get lazy, they get comfortable and they just get 1682 01:42:39.600 --> 01:42:42.600 arrogant and then things just slide. I mean, I say 1683 01:42:42.680 --> 01:42:45.000 this all the time, but what you see in Norfolk 1684 01:42:45.079 --> 01:42:49.119 County is exactly what happened in Brooklyn, New York when 1685 01:42:49.199 --> 01:42:52.439 when Charles Hines was DA, and it ended with him 1686 01:42:52.760 --> 01:42:56.359 being under federal investigation and finally getting tossed out and 1687 01:42:56.560 --> 01:42:59.800 being the poster child of a wrongful conviction crisis related 1688 01:43:00.199 --> 01:43:02.800 to their suppression of evidence and terrible work and that 1689 01:43:03.000 --> 01:43:07.279 kind of thing. And the similarities with what you're seeing 1690 01:43:07.359 --> 01:43:10.319 nor Folks not like as far along in that story, 1691 01:43:10.960 --> 01:43:13.279 but it's just strikingly similar. 1692 01:43:14.560 --> 01:43:17.800 It's gonna be a great diet program for Morrissey if 1693 01:43:17.880 --> 01:43:20.279 he ends up, if that happens to him. But we 1694 01:43:20.439 --> 01:43:23.720 only have fourteen minutes left, so we need to blast 1695 01:43:24.359 --> 01:43:28.399 through Nurse Kim's topic. And we have a question from Chevan. 1696 01:43:29.159 --> 01:43:31.119 I don't know if Sean's from Ireland, but I love it. 1697 01:43:31.199 --> 01:43:34.399 It's a completely Irish name, this one right here. So 1698 01:43:34.439 --> 01:43:41.119 we're gonna have to get to where is chevn Oh, boy, 1699 01:43:41.279 --> 01:43:43.119 there it is. We're going to get to this question 1700 01:43:43.279 --> 01:43:45.560 for you, Peter. So but let's get through nerves. So 1701 01:43:45.640 --> 01:43:49.119 let's keep this very succinct and brief in response to 1702 01:43:49.920 --> 01:43:57.640 the brilliant, the one and Only Nurse Kim's topic. Amen. 1703 01:43:57.920 --> 01:44:01.159 Okay, so I just wanted to say that. 1704 01:44:01.720 --> 01:44:07.680 On February ninth, Matthew Farwell allowed his phone. He gave 1705 01:44:07.760 --> 01:44:11.520 his consent for his cell phone, the iPhone eleven to 1706 01:44:11.920 --> 01:44:12.720 troop a fanning. 1707 01:44:12.880 --> 01:44:13.199 Okay. 1708 01:44:13.880 --> 01:44:17.439 Also in the memo guys where he wrote, you know 1709 01:44:17.640 --> 01:44:21.439 what this is pertaining to? He wrote in the death 1710 01:44:21.800 --> 01:44:25.239 investigation of Sandra Burchmore, But at the bottom he wrote 1711 01:44:25.239 --> 01:44:27.880 in the suicide it wrote suicide right underneath. 1712 01:44:28.279 --> 01:44:32.840 On February ninth, Bibbs he why is Matthew. 1713 01:44:32.560 --> 01:44:36.760 Fawell being a medical examiner or determining a cause of 1714 01:44:36.920 --> 01:44:41.279 death in Sandra Birchmore where he is an alleged witness 1715 01:44:41.399 --> 01:44:44.560 at this time? It just rubs me the wrong way. 1716 01:44:44.680 --> 01:44:47.520 I don't like his I don't like his handwriting anything 1717 01:44:47.560 --> 01:44:51.119 about it. And then this goes into the next Patrick 1718 01:44:51.439 --> 01:44:58.000 Hanley was the attorney for Matthew Fowell. Initially he refused 1719 01:44:58.119 --> 01:45:02.199 to He wrote this composed letter from their law firm, 1720 01:45:02.680 --> 01:45:08.960 Butters and Brazilian, and they refuse to do a DNA test, 1721 01:45:09.159 --> 01:45:10.239 refuse a polygraph. 1722 01:45:10.439 --> 01:45:13.039 We know all of that. Now I have a question 1723 01:45:13.640 --> 01:45:16.520 because Trooper Fannings said that. 1724 01:45:17.600 --> 01:45:22.600 That Hanny Hanley was known to him, not like in 1725 01:45:22.720 --> 01:45:25.479 his in his reports it says Hanley is known to 1726 01:45:25.680 --> 01:45:30.760 me and the in the representation for Matthew Fowell. So 1727 01:45:30.880 --> 01:45:33.239 Biggs I end up doing some research. We know that 1728 01:45:33.319 --> 01:45:35.239 he's at Butters and Brazilian. 1729 01:45:35.640 --> 01:45:37.319 But they are the. 1730 01:45:38.800 --> 01:45:43.079 There is, they are the sponsors for Mass State Police, 1731 01:45:44.279 --> 01:45:49.119 and I was wondering if there is any kind of, 1732 01:45:49.800 --> 01:45:53.479 I don't know, appearance of impropriety, or is there something 1733 01:45:53.840 --> 01:45:58.880 that perhaps if this is an agency that is representing 1734 01:45:58.920 --> 01:46:02.640 the union of Mass State Police and they are involved 1735 01:46:02.640 --> 01:46:05.399 in these galas every year, they've been representing them for 1736 01:46:05.640 --> 01:46:11.920 years now, is this something that like maybe Hanley shouldn't 1737 01:46:11.920 --> 01:46:16.800 be writing letters for a defendant in a criminal investigation 1738 01:46:17.199 --> 01:46:21.319 that is being investigated by his own brothers if they're 1739 01:46:21.479 --> 01:46:26.079 also the if they're the union's representative. 1740 01:46:26.199 --> 01:46:28.039 Do you know what I'm saying? Just Okay, that was 1741 01:46:28.079 --> 01:46:30.640 a lot, But I'm trying to go with, is there 1742 01:46:30.720 --> 01:46:31.920 a conflict for. 1743 01:46:32.079 --> 01:46:37.800 A union call a union attorney and union law firm 1744 01:46:38.199 --> 01:46:43.119 to represent someone being prosecuted by said union for a crime. 1745 01:46:43.640 --> 01:46:45.920 Peter Murray and mac bettero. 1746 01:46:46.079 --> 01:46:49.600 Only before Mark answers that question, I want to add 1747 01:46:50.159 --> 01:46:58.560 on to hers because it's very Williams lawyers are from 1748 01:46:59.560 --> 01:47:06.960 more old firm, so that's conflict of interest, you know. 1749 01:47:07.199 --> 01:47:12.960 And William's old lawyer who just quit showed up at Morrissey's. 1750 01:47:14.279 --> 01:47:16.920 Uh what was it the party that he had a 1751 01:47:16.960 --> 01:47:20.960 few week fundraiser party a few weeks ago. That's a 1752 01:47:21.000 --> 01:47:24.119 conflict of interest. And in the memo they's one of 1753 01:47:24.159 --> 01:47:27.399 the people who donates to Morrissey, said Boyle. Instead of 1754 01:47:27.439 --> 01:47:33.199 saying Boil and Shaughnessy. They said Boyle and Morrissey. Take 1755 01:47:33.199 --> 01:47:33.479 it away. 1756 01:47:33.520 --> 01:47:39.960 Mark Betrow, Well, the obvious answer is, I mean, forget it, Jake. 1757 01:47:40.520 --> 01:47:45.319 It's Chinatown. This is how we're doing it here. The 1758 01:47:45.479 --> 01:47:49.399 current situation, if I understand it correctly, what Kim is 1759 01:47:49.479 --> 01:47:53.520 talking about, this is troubling. So if that law firm 1760 01:47:53.920 --> 01:47:55.880 which doesn't sound like a law firm name, it sounds 1761 01:47:55.960 --> 01:47:59.680 like like a cafe name or something, but Butters and 1762 01:47:59.720 --> 01:48:01.279 Brigi Rezillion right. 1763 01:48:01.159 --> 01:48:02.960 In the back, bab babes, you know what I mean, 1764 01:48:03.199 --> 01:48:05.239 Like we'll go to Buddies and Brazilian. 1765 01:48:06.279 --> 01:48:07.680 Or or I don't know. 1766 01:48:07.800 --> 01:48:12.600 It sounds like you know, a muffin and a wax. 1767 01:48:12.720 --> 01:48:21.359 I don't know. Anyway, we're getting wild now, we're getting punchy. 1768 01:48:21.560 --> 01:48:21.600 No. 1769 01:48:21.760 --> 01:48:27.760 Look, if that law firm that represents the state police, 1770 01:48:28.199 --> 01:48:31.880 that then that's their client, okay. And if they are 1771 01:48:32.000 --> 01:48:37.520 now representing someone who is under investigation by their client, 1772 01:48:38.119 --> 01:48:41.000 there is clearly a potential conflict here. Because you have 1773 01:48:41.199 --> 01:48:45.680 duties of loyalty and confidentiality to all your clients, and 1774 01:48:45.760 --> 01:48:49.119 when you run into situations where interests of different clients 1775 01:48:49.760 --> 01:48:54.239 could conflict, like here, then the question becomes it is 1776 01:48:54.319 --> 01:48:59.640 the conflict avoidable? Is it waivable in this situation? I'm 1777 01:48:59.640 --> 01:49:02.399 not sure how you could do that. The idea that 1778 01:49:02.520 --> 01:49:06.079 this law firm is representing and gets a lot of 1779 01:49:06.119 --> 01:49:09.960 business from the state Police and then they're representing someone 1780 01:49:09.960 --> 01:49:16.800 who's under investigation. On top of that conflict, the client 1781 01:49:16.840 --> 01:49:20.960 that they're representing, the individual that you're talking about, he 1782 01:49:21.159 --> 01:49:23.680 probably wants to waive the client because he thinks the 1783 01:49:23.760 --> 01:49:27.279 police are gonna give me kid gloves. So beyond the 1784 01:49:27.439 --> 01:49:32.239 legal mumbo jumbo amongst the possible conflict of the firm, 1785 01:49:32.920 --> 01:49:36.119 we're right back to just the public perception of the 1786 01:49:36.319 --> 01:49:40.680 cesspool that exists in Norfolk County Law Enforcement. I mean, 1787 01:49:41.199 --> 01:49:46.279 it's just awful. It makes no sense. You know, when 1788 01:49:46.319 --> 01:49:48.760 you start talking about, well we're going to hire and 1789 01:49:48.840 --> 01:49:52.640 the other situation that Missy's talking about, let's hire you know, 1790 01:49:52.840 --> 01:49:58.520 Marrissey's old firm. It looks terrible. It looks like something's 1791 01:49:58.640 --> 01:50:03.199 going on. It's not necessarily literally a conflict, I mean, 1792 01:50:03.319 --> 01:50:06.479 but it would appear to be no coincidence either. You know, 1793 01:50:06.560 --> 01:50:09.199 you think you're going to get special treatment and you're 1794 01:50:09.199 --> 01:50:11.439 going to get access. And the problem in this county 1795 01:50:11.560 --> 01:50:13.920 is who's giving these people the benefit of the doubt. 1796 01:50:14.039 --> 01:50:16.359 I mean, look at what they do, look at how 1797 01:50:16.399 --> 01:50:20.600 they conduct themselves, Look how they just don't appear to 1798 01:50:20.760 --> 01:50:24.359 do the right thing for whatever reason. And it's just 1799 01:50:24.520 --> 01:50:28.920 part of the whole incestuous relationships that exist out there. 1800 01:50:29.159 --> 01:50:32.039 And it's awful, it's gross, and it goes back to 1801 01:50:32.119 --> 01:50:34.880 the point earlier. You got to get new people, You've 1802 01:50:34.920 --> 01:50:39.760 got to fumigate the whole place, and just it's awful. 1803 01:50:39.840 --> 01:50:42.359 How does anyone have any confidence in what's happening here 1804 01:50:42.399 --> 01:50:46.600 when they're all you know, glad handing and related in 1805 01:50:46.760 --> 01:50:52.319 some capacity, whether it's by employment, friendship, partnership, in a 1806 01:50:52.399 --> 01:50:52.920 law firm. 1807 01:50:53.600 --> 01:50:55.640 It's just it's too incestuous. 1808 01:50:56.840 --> 01:50:59.760 Yeah, it's like, isn't it like Judge Bev's dad or 1809 01:50:59.840 --> 01:51:03.520 just Dje Bev's husband or something represented like Chris Albert 1810 01:51:03.600 --> 01:51:08.720 in that vehicular homicide leaving the scene of an accident thing. 1811 01:51:09.279 --> 01:51:11.319 So yeah, it's just you'd say, oh, well, gee, I 1812 01:51:11.359 --> 01:51:14.039 can't do this case then, because there's a connection to 1813 01:51:14.119 --> 01:51:16.800 Chris Albert, who's a brother of one of the you know, 1814 01:51:17.079 --> 01:51:19.479 the witnesses. But that was a little trickier. 1815 01:51:19.720 --> 01:51:22.119 It looks bad, but that you know, that's a possible 1816 01:51:22.399 --> 01:51:25.359 or maybe a parent or an appearance of a conflict. 1817 01:51:25.880 --> 01:51:30.840 It certainly doesn't look good, no question, But it's getting 1818 01:51:30.840 --> 01:51:34.119 a little far afield. But this thing about representing the 1819 01:51:34.159 --> 01:51:37.479 state police and representing the guy that the state police 1820 01:51:37.479 --> 01:51:41.880 are coming after is just you know, I mean, look, 1821 01:51:41.920 --> 01:51:45.159 anytime you get hired by someone, you do, you know, 1822 01:51:45.239 --> 01:51:47.840 a conflicts check. You have to always try to avoid 1823 01:51:48.119 --> 01:51:52.920 getting stuck in multiple things. And any credible law firm 1824 01:51:53.000 --> 01:51:56.000 that deals with things would say, when this guy wants 1825 01:51:56.079 --> 01:51:58.479 to hire you, you'd say, look, we represent the state 1826 01:51:58.560 --> 01:52:01.920 Police union. We can't go against that. And it also 1827 01:52:02.079 --> 01:52:04.960 raises questions once again about the state Police. If you, 1828 01:52:05.319 --> 01:52:08.560 I mean, why would you want if you're an existing 1829 01:52:08.680 --> 01:52:12.920 client that someone mixed up in this horrible case that 1830 01:52:13.119 --> 01:52:17.439 involves committing terrible crimes against an innocent child and eventually 1831 01:52:17.520 --> 01:52:21.680 young woman, Why would the state police union be. 1832 01:52:21.760 --> 01:52:22.439 Okay with that? 1833 01:52:22.960 --> 01:52:24.800 You know, that's the kind of thing with the client 1834 01:52:24.840 --> 01:52:27.000 would say, I'm not going to waive that conflict. We 1835 01:52:27.079 --> 01:52:28.600 don't represent those kind of people. 1836 01:52:28.760 --> 01:52:33.159 But forget I'm sorry, Mark, I don't mean. 1837 01:52:33.680 --> 01:52:36.479 I said forget it, Jake, that's how to do it. 1838 01:52:37.640 --> 01:52:39.800 Yeah, I was going to say that. I heard FBI 1839 01:52:39.880 --> 01:52:42.560 agents say the other day, if they're going to engage 1840 01:52:42.560 --> 01:52:45.720 in the Financial Crimes Unit, if they have any stock 1841 01:52:45.840 --> 01:52:49.199 in that company, any of their portfolios, if they even 1842 01:52:49.279 --> 01:52:52.279 have a mutual fund, and that company that they're going 1843 01:52:52.359 --> 01:52:55.079 to investigate, they immediately have to get rid of. They're 1844 01:52:55.079 --> 01:52:57.079 going to make sure they've got to fill out forms 1845 01:52:57.479 --> 01:53:00.159 before these investigations and make sure there's no conflict but 1846 01:53:00.600 --> 01:53:02.920 doesn't exist. Peter, did you want to come in on that, 1847 01:53:03.000 --> 01:53:05.520 because we've got about four minutes and we have a 1848 01:53:05.640 --> 01:53:07.399 question for you. I want to get everybody out of 1849 01:53:07.439 --> 01:53:09.960 here on the hour. What would you like to come 1850 01:53:10.000 --> 01:53:14.439 in on that. What what Nurse Kim brilliantly investigated. 1851 01:53:13.800 --> 01:53:18.199 There, I would agree brilliantly and I would think I 1852 01:53:18.239 --> 01:53:22.800 would also submit that Attorney mock vetteral covered it eloquently 1853 01:53:22.920 --> 01:53:26.760 from A to Z, So I'm gonna I'll yield to 1854 01:53:26.880 --> 01:53:28.880 the next person with your shirt on time. 1855 01:53:29.520 --> 01:53:31.359 There isn't much I could say that wasn't covered. 1856 01:53:31.399 --> 01:53:34.520 Thank you. He's smart, same guy. 1857 01:53:37.199 --> 01:53:37.960 Wicked smart. 1858 01:53:39.119 --> 01:53:41.720 Well, you know they could be the Fredo Corleone there right, 1859 01:53:41.920 --> 01:53:45.600 Remember Mark, I'm smart, I'm not dumb like everybody says. 1860 01:53:46.359 --> 01:53:52.159 So anyway, god as to Godfathers in twenty minutes. That's impressive. 1861 01:53:52.199 --> 01:53:55.800 That's it. That's because we boys man, all right. So anyway, 1862 01:53:55.880 --> 01:53:58.880 we got to get to this question for Peter Murphy 1863 01:53:58.880 --> 01:54:03.720 because Kim based pose that question to Attorney veter Roe 1864 01:54:03.960 --> 01:54:06.640 and Peter and I want to get you guys out 1865 01:54:06.680 --> 01:54:09.720 here because Turtle Boys coming up in three minutes. So 1866 01:54:09.880 --> 01:54:12.720 this question is for you, mister Murphy. Maybe Nurse Kim 1867 01:54:12.760 --> 01:54:18.199 can read it for us. We maybe sorry. 1868 01:54:18.319 --> 01:54:21.479 Chavon Manion says for nine ninety nine, thank you, Shavon. 1869 01:54:22.279 --> 01:54:25.640 I made a post today about Frank Cervicole just wondering 1870 01:54:25.720 --> 01:54:29.680 from Peter if new young police officers get pressured or 1871 01:54:29.880 --> 01:54:33.640 are encouraged to say quiet if they see things they 1872 01:54:33.760 --> 01:54:34.640 don't agree with. 1873 01:54:34.960 --> 01:54:40.840 What do you think, Peter Murphy? Oh on you bub 1874 01:54:42.039 --> 01:54:42.960 arry Yep, there we go. 1875 01:54:43.680 --> 01:54:47.840 I would say, yes, there is a culture. 1876 01:54:48.479 --> 01:54:51.840 We've all addressed it in various forms and statements tonight 1877 01:54:51.960 --> 01:54:53.720 and on other meetings round tables. 1878 01:54:55.000 --> 01:54:58.359 There is a culture and it's got to be corrected 1879 01:54:58.439 --> 01:54:59.239 at the top down. 1880 01:54:59.600 --> 01:55:04.760 And you know, it's new trainees, new boots on the ground, 1881 01:55:05.239 --> 01:55:07.640 they're brought in, They a field trained, they ride with 1882 01:55:07.880 --> 01:55:11.920 different offices on different shifts, and it's ingrained. 1883 01:55:12.079 --> 01:55:13.720 And uh, sometimes it's. 1884 01:55:13.600 --> 01:55:17.000 Subliminal and you don't even know that you're in doctrinating 1885 01:55:17.079 --> 01:55:21.359 somebody into a mindset, but it can be there. And uh, 1886 01:55:21.720 --> 01:55:24.199 I think training, it is nothing that we've really brought up, 1887 01:55:24.239 --> 01:55:28.119 but I think training is a huge concern in all 1888 01:55:28.199 --> 01:55:31.119 these departments, and not just Massachusetts. They've got to do 1889 01:55:31.239 --> 01:55:33.319 a better job at it, do a better job of 1890 01:55:33.439 --> 01:55:36.039 vetting the people that are coming into the job why 1891 01:55:36.119 --> 01:55:39.920 they're coming in. And you've got to get you know, 1892 01:55:40.319 --> 01:55:42.800 you've just got to find out who you're giving a 1893 01:55:42.880 --> 01:55:43.720 badge and a gun to. 1894 01:55:45.199 --> 01:55:48.479 Peter. As a young officer, had you ever had a 1895 01:55:48.640 --> 01:55:51.399 senior officer try to get you to do something that 1896 01:55:52.119 --> 01:55:55.800 you were uncomfortable from a legal, moral, or ethical perspective? 1897 01:55:57.000 --> 01:55:59.439 Had anyone ever tried to see if you were if 1898 01:55:59.479 --> 01:55:59.800 you'd play? 1899 01:56:02.640 --> 01:56:04.199 Nobody tried me. I don't. 1900 01:56:04.560 --> 01:56:07.079 I think everybody knew my position, and I don't think 1901 01:56:07.119 --> 01:56:09.079 they came to me with any of that bologna. I 1902 01:56:09.159 --> 01:56:11.279 think they knew to stay away from me with that. 1903 01:56:12.079 --> 01:56:14.840 I wouldn't doubt that they tried. 1904 01:56:14.640 --> 01:56:16.760 Other new recruits. 1905 01:56:20.039 --> 01:56:20.479 I don't know. 1906 01:56:20.720 --> 01:56:21.840 I mean, I know. 1907 01:56:23.600 --> 01:56:26.720 These guys are pretty you know some of these guys. 1908 01:56:27.119 --> 01:56:30.880 And believe me, I'm not painting the brush on wide 1909 01:56:31.039 --> 01:56:33.079 on any of these departments. But there are a few 1910 01:56:33.159 --> 01:56:37.520 bad apples, and they are careful on how they present 1911 01:56:38.399 --> 01:56:40.399 the concept that they're trying to deliver. 1912 01:56:40.520 --> 01:56:41.960 To the new recruits or whatever. 1913 01:56:42.119 --> 01:56:45.760 So it's it's just the way it is. 1914 01:56:45.840 --> 01:56:53.079 And again, it's it's training, its accountability, it's top down discipline, 1915 01:56:53.359 --> 01:56:55.239 and it's gonna work. 1916 01:56:55.279 --> 01:56:58.680 It's paramilitary operation. You can't run it like a country club. 1917 01:56:59.720 --> 01:57:03.119 Yes, yeah, that's a great way to put it. And 1918 01:57:03.279 --> 01:57:05.920 so they didn't see fit to try Peter, because they 1919 01:57:05.960 --> 01:57:11.319 probably knew they would be rebuffed. So, oh, Mavis, thank 1920 01:57:11.359 --> 01:57:15.159 you so very much, thank you so much for the 1921 01:57:15.239 --> 01:57:18.520 blessing and the donation. And I believe there's one more here. 1922 01:57:19.359 --> 01:57:23.239 Oh so oh Schavan had one more thing. Say uh 1923 01:57:23.720 --> 01:57:29.680 that is a female name, and she says, I, I 1924 01:57:30.079 --> 01:57:33.000 am irish. I listened to a Cranberry song today and 1925 01:57:33.279 --> 01:57:42.439 reminded me of Mark zombies. Yeah, Mark better and. 1926 01:57:42.560 --> 01:57:46.119 Thank you so much for ability and don't care. That's 1927 01:57:46.239 --> 01:57:48.640 very dangerous for a prosecutor or police officer. 1928 01:57:49.279 --> 01:57:49.960 That's a zombie. 1929 01:57:51.600 --> 01:57:53.199 Yeah, it's working so well for them. 1930 01:57:53.279 --> 01:57:53.359 They. 1931 01:57:53.920 --> 01:57:56.199 I would love to say, Mike Morrison, could you please 1932 01:57:56.279 --> 01:57:59.640 define the word just finish the sentence same is dot 1933 01:57:59.720 --> 01:58:02.680 dot and see what his answer is. That'll be brilliant. 1934 01:58:03.039 --> 01:58:05.279 Or Adam Lalley or any of those guys. All right, 1935 01:58:05.399 --> 01:58:07.039 So I want to say goodbye. I want to start 1936 01:58:07.119 --> 01:58:10.680 with miss Susanne. It's the first time I got to 1937 01:58:10.760 --> 01:58:14.840 meet you. It was an honor to meet you and 1938 01:58:15.000 --> 01:58:17.800 hear your analysis and how passionate you were. So I'm 1939 01:58:17.840 --> 01:58:21.479 hoping you're gonna come on again. So thank you so 1940 01:58:21.640 --> 01:58:23.800 much for such a pleasure having you, and I must 1941 01:58:23.840 --> 01:58:25.840 stay thank. 1942 01:58:25.720 --> 01:58:27.239 You so much. And you know what, I got a 1943 01:58:27.560 --> 01:58:31.640 real quick shout out to the outstanding men on this panel. 1944 01:58:32.399 --> 01:58:35.079 The topics that we're talking about right now just happened 1945 01:58:35.119 --> 01:58:40.439 to largely affect women and the framing, blaming, shaming of women, 1946 01:58:41.079 --> 01:58:45.079 And hats off to all three of you, gentlemen, just 1947 01:58:45.279 --> 01:58:48.760 for being gentlemen, for being being there for us and 1948 01:58:49.119 --> 01:58:53.399 providing a protective role like for real, for real, love 1949 01:58:53.479 --> 01:58:56.239 that about you. Thank you so much, thank you. 1950 01:58:56.279 --> 01:58:58.239 I don't want to put myself in the category of 1951 01:58:58.720 --> 01:59:02.079 Peter Murphy, Mark Better, but thank you, thank you so much. 1952 01:59:03.720 --> 01:59:04.199 Thanks for that. 1953 01:59:07.159 --> 01:59:09.840 Absolutely can't wait. We're We're definitely gonna have you on again, Soul. 1954 01:59:10.199 --> 01:59:13.479 I'll definitely message you to try to schedule you on here. 1955 01:59:14.640 --> 01:59:17.680 But before that NBA Premiere, Celtics Fan, we got to 1956 01:59:17.760 --> 01:59:21.560 have a little NBA dialogue, So thanks for doing this, Mark, 1957 01:59:22.279 --> 01:59:27.079 Thank you glad to help appreciate it. Brother Nurse Kim. 1958 01:59:27.359 --> 01:59:29.319 What can we say about you that hasn't already been 1959 01:59:29.359 --> 01:59:32.000 said my Dia not a thing. 1960 01:59:32.279 --> 01:59:34.920 I just wanted to say before I leave that I 1961 01:59:35.079 --> 01:59:38.520 always appreciate you having me on DJ. It's a wonderful space. 1962 01:59:39.479 --> 01:59:43.159 Peter Murphy, your everything. Mark Betterow, You're my best friend 1963 01:59:43.199 --> 01:59:43.800 from out of town. 1964 01:59:44.239 --> 01:59:47.039 And Suzanne and Mizzie you are the stars. 1965 01:59:47.159 --> 01:59:49.560 I'm so sorry I talked too much because we should 1966 01:59:49.560 --> 01:59:51.840 have heard more I think from you guys, but we 1967 01:59:52.159 --> 01:59:55.000 I we appreciate you, and we love you for your back, 1968 01:59:55.119 --> 01:59:57.359 your fighting for Sandra and for justice. 1969 01:59:58.920 --> 02:00:01.880 It's the last time you're going to see these ladies. 1970 02:00:01.960 --> 02:00:05.439 Is gonna be a lot of mote. But Nurse Kim, 1971 02:00:05.479 --> 02:00:07.439 I just want to say so that episode I want 1972 02:00:07.800 --> 02:00:11.439 people to check out is a solo episode that Nurse 1973 02:00:11.520 --> 02:00:14.520 Kim did a few days ago and then I put 1974 02:00:14.560 --> 02:00:16.760 out on Twitter. I may have put it out on Monday. 1975 02:00:16.760 --> 02:00:20.039 I can't remember, as I've been so busy. But to 1976 02:00:20.279 --> 02:00:25.079 do an hour or two hour episode solo and be 1977 02:00:25.279 --> 02:00:28.960 that succinct and that well researched, and then she wonders 1978 02:00:29.000 --> 02:00:31.640 why I praise her on DM Why I do that? 1979 02:00:31.880 --> 02:00:35.000 That's the reason why. So check out that solo Nurse 1980 02:00:35.079 --> 02:00:42.720 Kim episode. Peter, Yes, ma'am Peter Murphy, Thank you, brother. 1981 02:00:42.840 --> 02:00:45.720 It was great to get to speak with you this 1982 02:00:45.920 --> 02:00:49.520 week and kick things around, and thank you so much 1983 02:00:49.600 --> 02:00:52.520 for being my friend and donating your time to the show. 1984 02:00:54.520 --> 02:00:56.039 I appreciate being here. 1985 02:00:57.319 --> 02:01:00.239 I try to share as much as I can, and 1986 02:01:00.359 --> 02:01:02.920 I can thank you sincerely. I think you do a 1987 02:01:03.000 --> 02:01:05.920 great job. You look at the roundtable of people and. 1988 02:01:05.960 --> 02:01:10.159 Personnel that you brought on several times in the recent weeks. 1989 02:01:11.159 --> 02:01:18.640 You know, Mark, Nurse, Kim, Suzanne, now Missy, it's just 1990 02:01:19.000 --> 02:01:20.960 you do a great job. You bring a full spectrum 1991 02:01:21.000 --> 02:01:24.960 of talent, and you to be commended. And everybody on 1992 02:01:25.079 --> 02:01:28.920 this roundtable tonight did an awesome job except maybe me, 1993 02:01:29.039 --> 02:01:30.600 but you guys did no. 1994 02:01:31.039 --> 02:01:33.920 You always do an awesome job. And if you think 1995 02:01:33.960 --> 02:01:37.000 it's cool like seeing Peter on here, it's even more 1996 02:01:37.079 --> 02:01:39.680 cool talking to him on the fold. He's just such 1997 02:01:39.720 --> 02:01:42.279 a positive person. I would have loved to have been 1998 02:01:42.319 --> 02:01:46.439 a junior officer training under Peter. That would have been awesome. 1999 02:01:48.439 --> 02:01:52.880 Missy and the Hissy, thank you, yes, sir, thank you 2000 02:01:52.960 --> 02:01:53.319 so much. 2001 02:01:53.399 --> 02:01:53.560 Man. 2002 02:01:53.640 --> 02:01:57.319 I appreciate you coming on and bringing us Suzanne to 2003 02:01:57.560 --> 02:02:01.920 us and being able to talk about Sandra and one down, 2004 02:02:03.000 --> 02:02:06.560 more than two to go, but maybe three to go, 2005 02:02:06.960 --> 02:02:09.960 you know with the animal control officer and you can 2006 02:02:10.039 --> 02:02:11.079 drag his ass into this. 2007 02:02:12.600 --> 02:02:15.560 Yeah, thank you for having all of us here to 2008 02:02:15.600 --> 02:02:19.079 talk about Sandra's case, it's imperative that we keep talking 2009 02:02:19.159 --> 02:02:22.399 about her, that we don't let it go back under 2010 02:02:23.079 --> 02:02:25.039 you know, a rug where they tried to hide it. 2011 02:02:26.159 --> 02:02:29.159 You brought a great panel together and I appreciate your 2012 02:02:29.359 --> 02:02:32.720 us bringing us all here to talk about Sandra. And 2013 02:02:33.000 --> 02:02:35.800 thank you everybody who watched us tonight, because we need 2014 02:02:35.880 --> 02:02:38.119 you to spread the word and come join us on. 2015 02:02:38.760 --> 02:02:42.920 You can go to Sanderbirchmore dot com and find everywhere 2016 02:02:42.960 --> 02:02:43.520 to find us. 2017 02:02:44.880 --> 02:02:47.159 It will be in the show notes to this episode. 2018 02:02:47.199 --> 02:02:50.760 I will have the Facebook and anything that Mizzy gave 2019 02:02:50.880 --> 02:02:53.680 me will be in the show notes that I will 2020 02:02:53.760 --> 02:02:56.520 put out with the podcast which will come out tomorrow. 2021 02:02:57.039 --> 02:03:00.399 So I will bid you guys farewell, and then I'll 2022 02:03:00.479 --> 02:03:03.439 answer whatever is in the chat that anybody put But 2023 02:03:03.520 --> 02:03:05.319 I want to cut you guys out here because we've 2024 02:03:05.319 --> 02:03:07.520 got to go hang with my home e turtle Boy. 2025 02:03:07.600 --> 02:03:10.560 And let me say this like I love all the 2026 02:03:10.680 --> 02:03:15.479 content creators out there. The Glare Brian LTL. Mike is 2027 02:03:15.560 --> 02:03:17.159 coming on next week. I'm going to get to talk 2028 02:03:17.159 --> 02:03:21.439 to brother Mike Crawford masa uh. And I'm trying to 2029 02:03:21.479 --> 02:03:24.079 think of Kirk, who I just became aware of, and 2030 02:03:24.279 --> 02:03:28.000 Dave those guys are brilliant. What a what a voice 2031 02:03:28.880 --> 02:03:32.479 you know, Kirk has Wow, it was awesome to hear him. 2032 02:03:32.560 --> 02:03:36.199 So thank you everybody, and I'll be seeing you guys soon. 2033 02:03:36.279 --> 02:03:39.439 Thank you so much for your time. All right, love 2034 02:03:39.479 --> 02:03:46.439 you guys. Just all right, everybody in Dutch chat if 2035 02:03:46.520 --> 02:03:49.159 you what do you do? If we've got questions left 2036 02:03:49.239 --> 02:03:49.720 over here? 2037 02:03:50.640 --> 02:03:50.800 Uh? 2038 02:03:51.600 --> 02:03:53.439 And let me see what we got here? Oh maybe 2039 02:03:53.439 --> 02:03:55.960 this is just a donation, but let me let me 2040 02:03:56.079 --> 02:03:59.520 just see if there's anything left that I missed. Okay, 2041 02:04:00.439 --> 02:04:04.000 here we go. Yeah, justice for Sancho birchmore. Thank you 2042 02:04:04.119 --> 02:04:07.199 so much. Thank you so much, Babra. I'm gonna sound 2043 02:04:07.319 --> 02:04:13.399 like Mike Myers from Let's See And here is a 2044 02:04:13.439 --> 02:04:17.520 great panel. Thank you Caroline, miss ms turtle. I'll look 2045 02:04:17.560 --> 02:04:21.000 at that. Who would ever called missy miss turtle? This 2046 02:04:21.159 --> 02:04:24.479 is cool man Peter Murphy and and Susannah hanging out 2047 02:04:24.479 --> 02:04:27.359 with us. That's pretty dope. Ruth, thank you so much, 2048 02:04:27.479 --> 02:04:31.600 my dear. I appreciate you. Uh, and this is a 2049 02:04:31.840 --> 02:04:33.960 thank you all you rock and I just love Do 2050 02:04:34.000 --> 02:04:36.720 you know how many I love Peters? We've got tonight, Peter. 2051 02:04:37.159 --> 02:04:42.199 Do you know how many people have said that we 2052 02:04:42.279 --> 02:04:43.520 can't hear you got on mute. 2053 02:04:43.800 --> 02:04:45.680 No, I do not know the answer to that. 2054 02:04:45.800 --> 02:04:47.159 I hope you're got to say a few. 2055 02:04:48.279 --> 02:04:52.920 I'd like if I say a dozen, I'll probably be sure. 2056 02:04:53.119 --> 02:04:55.239 There are a lot of I love. I think the 2057 02:04:55.359 --> 02:04:58.560 ladies love Peter. I think that, you know, not only 2058 02:04:58.720 --> 02:05:01.640 just his just Peter himself as a guy, and then 2059 02:05:01.720 --> 02:05:04.039 also what he's doing. Suzanne, what do you think. 2060 02:05:05.960 --> 02:05:11.199 All the love, all the love for Peter. So those 2061 02:05:11.239 --> 02:05:13.960 who don't know yet, they're gonna know. That's that's why 2062 02:05:14.000 --> 02:05:14.359 we're here. 2063 02:05:15.159 --> 02:05:21.039 If you don't know, you know, absolutely, Thank you. Don Yeah, 2064 02:05:21.600 --> 02:05:25.600 Peter is definitely he's doing things that, like I said, 2065 02:05:25.640 --> 02:05:28.439 that are behind the scenes that everybody doesn't see, to 2066 02:05:28.640 --> 02:05:32.560 to bring this bring things forward. Uh and and we're 2067 02:05:32.600 --> 02:05:36.680 really lucky that he's doing that. More. Nurse Kim love. 2068 02:05:37.520 --> 02:05:39.600 I love when she said that she used Nurse Kim's thing, 2069 02:05:39.840 --> 02:05:45.000 I love your face because that's one of her lives 2070 02:05:45.039 --> 02:05:48.119 that I love. So all right, everybody's gonna go over 2071 02:05:48.239 --> 02:05:51.279 and thank you so hey, David, Thank you so much, 2072 02:05:51.399 --> 02:05:55.560 David Cornish. I appreciated brother. You guys rock. Here's another 2073 02:05:56.079 --> 02:05:58.439 I think that we had to love you. Missy and 2074 02:05:59.680 --> 02:06:02.720 I think that's it for tonight. Let's go watch Turtle Boy. 2075 02:06:03.000 --> 02:06:07.359 All right, thank you so much, Love, it's a pleasure 2076 02:06:07.399 --> 02:06:14.720 to meet you, Susanne. Thank to Peter. All Right, let's 2077 02:06:14.760 --> 02:06:17.760 see if I can bring this out, the cab, my 2078 02:06:17.920 --> 02:06:19.439 cab video. Let me see. Is this it? 2079 02:06:19.640 --> 02:06:19.680 No? 2080 02:06:20.520 --> 02:06:24.000 Oh, this is it? There goes. No, that's not it either. 2081 02:06:24.479 --> 02:06:26.720 I can never find my videos when I need him. Oh, 2082 02:06:26.760 --> 02:06:27.880 here it is Cab Outru.