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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Sentient Code, where intelligence is engineered, autonomy

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<v Speaker 1>is emerging, and a line between human and machine grows thinner.

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<v Speaker 1>Each episode, we decode the algorithms, explore the robotics, and

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<v Speaker 1>examine the ideas shaping the future of artificial minds.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to the Deep Dive. We are doing something

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit different today. Usually we look at a

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<v Speaker 2>product launch or a new piece of software, something that

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<v Speaker 2>might change your workflow next month.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, the usual tech updates, Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>But today we are looking at something that changes the

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<v Speaker 2>fundamental math of civilization. We're digging into a stack of reports,

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<v Speaker 2>industry analysis, and some really wild operational data from and

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<v Speaker 2>this is the important part. February twenty twenty six.

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<v Speaker 3>Right now, It is happening right now.

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<v Speaker 2>And the headline here isn't that robots will build robots

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<v Speaker 2>someday that they already are.

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<v Speaker 3>It sounds like science fiction, doesn't it. I mean, when

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<v Speaker 3>you say that phrase out loud, robots building robots, it

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<v Speaker 3>feels like we should be breaking down a movie script. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>but we aren't. Now we're on We're talking about actual

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<v Speaker 3>factory floors in California, Texas and Shenzen that are hum

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<v Speaker 3>and along.

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<v Speaker 2>Today exactly the core topic for you all listening today

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<v Speaker 2>is recursive manufacturing. And to be super clear right up front,

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<v Speaker 2>we aren't talking about like a robotic arm welding a

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<v Speaker 2>car door. We've had that for forty years.

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<v Speaker 3>That's old news, right, That is just standard industrial automation.

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<v Speaker 3>What we are analyzing today is a massive transition. We

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<v Speaker 3>are talking about humanoid robots, machines that have our form factor,

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<v Speaker 3>that look and move.

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<v Speaker 2>Like us, standing right there on the line.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, standing on the assembly line, using highly dexterous hands

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<v Speaker 3>to wire, assemble, and package the very next generation of themselves.

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<v Speaker 3>It is a closed loop production system.

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<v Speaker 2>Closed loop. That's a phrase that keeps popping up in

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<v Speaker 2>the research we're going through. It feels like the holy

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<v Speaker 2>grail of industrial engineering.

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<v Speaker 3>It absolutely is, yeah, because once you manage to close

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<v Speaker 3>that loop, you fundamentally detach production growth from the limitations

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<v Speaker 3>of the human workforce.

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<v Speaker 2>Before we get into the heavy hitters like Tesla and

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<v Speaker 2>Figure AI and the economic implications which are honestly mind bending.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to clear up a definition. Sure, when we

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<v Speaker 2>say robots building robots, my brain and probably your brain

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<v Speaker 2>listening to this goes straight to the matrix or those

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<v Speaker 2>self replicating space probes. Yeah, the Von Neumann probes.

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<v Speaker 3>Right right, the classic Von Neumann probe. It's a great

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<v Speaker 3>Sci Fi trope. A machine lands on an asteroid, It

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<v Speaker 3>mines the raw iron, smelts, it builds a factory and

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<v Speaker 3>replicates itself with literally zero human input.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to be very precise here. That is not

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<v Speaker 3>what is occurring in twenty twenty six.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so we aren't quite there yet. We don't have

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<v Speaker 2>robots wandering out into the wilderness to build entirely new

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<v Speaker 2>cities from scratch.

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<v Speaker 3>No, that is autonomous self replication in an unstructured environment

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<v Speaker 3>that involves mining, refining, complex chemical processing. That's decades away.

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<v Speaker 2>So what are we seeing today?

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<v Speaker 3>What we are seeing today is recursive manufacturing and strictly

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<v Speaker 3>controlled settings. Imagine a highly structured factory environment. The lights

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<v Speaker 3>are on, the floors are flat, the parts are delivered

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<v Speaker 3>to specific bins by automated logistics systems.

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<v Speaker 2>But the actual labor.

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<v Speaker 3>Part, right, the labor, the actual act of snapping the

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<v Speaker 3>plastic housing together, threading a delicate wire through a joint,

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<v Speaker 3>testing the motor. That physical labor is shifting from human

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<v Speaker 3>hands to robotic Hans.

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<v Speaker 2>So the distinction is really the environment and the scope.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not a robot mining or in a cave. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a robot standing at a workstation doing what a human

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<v Speaker 2>worker used to do just a couple of years.

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<v Speaker 3>Ago, exactly. But the economic impact of that is almost

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<v Speaker 3>exactly the same as the Sci Fi version. How so,

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<v Speaker 3>because once you replace the human labor in the production

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<v Speaker 3>of the labor force itself, you fundamentally change the entire

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<v Speaker 3>economic equation. You stop being limited by how many people

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<v Speaker 3>you can hire, or housing shortages in the area, or

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<v Speaker 3>wage inflation.

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<v Speaker 2>You just need materials.

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<v Speaker 3>You start being limited only by how much silicon and

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<v Speaker 3>steel and electricity you can buy.

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<v Speaker 2>That's such a heavy concept, detaching production from the human population. Usually,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, if you want to double your factory output,

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<v Speaker 2>you need to hire double the workers, and humans are scarce.

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<v Speaker 3>Humans take eighteen years to reach working age, They need sleep,

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<v Speaker 3>they get injured, they eventually need to retire, They.

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<v Speaker 2>Have lives outside the factory floor.

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<v Speaker 3>Precisely, but if the product, the robot can build the product.

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<v Speaker 3>The only constraints left are raw materials and energy.

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<v Speaker 2>Which brings us to the speed of all this. The

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<v Speaker 2>sources we're looking at. Describe this theoretical framework called the

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<v Speaker 2>triple exponential. This is something Elon Musk and a few

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<v Speaker 2>other industry leaders have been harping on lately. Break this

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<v Speaker 2>down for us. Why triple So.

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<v Speaker 3>Most technology grows on a single exponential curve, you know

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<v Speaker 3>More's law. For example, computer chips get faster and cheaper

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<v Speaker 3>every two years. Right, But recursive robotics is writing three

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<v Speaker 3>simultaneous waves that interlock with the each other. If you

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<v Speaker 3>miss one, the whole system stalls out. But if you

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<v Speaker 3>hit all three at the same time, you get this

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<v Speaker 3>vertical takeoff.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, walk us through these three factors. What is the

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<v Speaker 2>first one?

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<v Speaker 3>The first one is AI software intelligence. In twenty twenty six.

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<v Speaker 3>We aren't just running you know, standard hard coded logic.

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<v Speaker 3>We are running massive foundation models. We're seeing these scaling

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<v Speaker 3>laws play out in real time scaling laws.

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<v Speaker 2>We hear that in the AI space constantly. That basically

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<v Speaker 2>means if you dump more data and more compute into

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<v Speaker 2>the system, it gets smarter at a very predictable rate.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, yes, exactly, But specifically for robotics, it's about multimodal training.

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<v Speaker 3>The AI isn't just reading text from the Internet anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>It's processing live video force feedback from its fingertips. Proprioception.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, proprioception, what is that? Exactly? In this context, that's.

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<v Speaker 3>The robot sense of where its limbs are in physical space.

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<v Speaker 3>Just like you can close your eyes and still touch

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<v Speaker 3>your nose. The robot knows exactly the angle and tension

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<v Speaker 3>of every joint. Add spatial awareness to that, and the

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<v Speaker 3>software is evolving to understand the physical world, not just

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<v Speaker 2>So factor one is the brain. The brain is getting smarter,

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<v Speaker 2>way faster than we expected. What's factor two?

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<v Speaker 3>Compute power. The brain needs a body, sure, but it

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<v Speaker 3>also needs calories or in this case, watts and flops.

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<v Speaker 3>We are seeing these companies, specifically Tesla and Figure, building

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<v Speaker 3>massive in house supercomputer clusters.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the massive infrastructure piece we keep hearing about.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, because you can have the smartest AI architecture in

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<v Speaker 3>chips to run the inference in real time.

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<v Speaker 2>So it can react fast enough.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly, so the robot can react to a falling screw

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<v Speaker 3>in milliseconds. Without that compute it's useless. The compute density

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<v Speaker 3>in these dedicated clusters is skyrocketing. They are literally building

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<v Speaker 3>the physical capacity to think for millions of robots simultaneously.

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<v Speaker 2>And the third factor in this triple exponential hardware dexterity.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the physical machine itself, the actuators, the motors,

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<v Speaker 3>the tactiles, answers on the hands.

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<v Speaker 2>The muscles in the nerves exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>Think back just a few years ago. Robots were incredibly clumsy.

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<v Speaker 3>They could lift a heavy car chassis with ease, but

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<v Speaker 3>they couldn't button a shirt. They couldn't handle a flexible

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<v Speaker 2>They were strong, but dumb and stiff.

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<v Speaker 3>Now we have custom actuators that offer human level precision.

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<v Speaker 3>When you combine those three things, a smarter brain, a

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<v Speaker 3>recursive exponential.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a multiplicative effect. They don't just add up, they

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<v Speaker 2>multiply each other.

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<v Speaker 3>It creates a compounding loop. Better robots are able to

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<v Speaker 3>build better factories, which in turn build even better robots.

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<v Speaker 3>Must calls it pushing the margin. The goal is to

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<v Speaker 3>push the robot into superhuman performance for economically valuable tasks.

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<v Speaker 2>The timeline in our notes here is fascinating. It says

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<v Speaker 2>we are currently right now, in early twenty twenty six,

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<v Speaker 2>in a phase of partial integration.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's a fair assessment. We aren't one hundred

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<v Speaker 3>percent automation yet. If you walk into these manufacturing facilities today,

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<v Speaker 3>you still see people walking around.

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<v Speaker 2>But the projection for a full loop where robots are

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<v Speaker 2>the primary force building the robots is just a three

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<v Speaker 2>to five year window. That feels incredibly fast to me.

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<v Speaker 3>It's lightning fast in industrial terms. Usually retooling a major

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<v Speaker 3>factory takes a decade. We're seeing physical literations happen in

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<v Speaker 3>months now. The recursion is already active on the lines.

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<v Speaker 3>Now it's just a game of percentages. How So, today

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<v Speaker 3>maybe the robots do twenty percent of the assembly. Next

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<v Speaker 3>year it'll be forty percent, then eighty percent.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's get into some specific examples. Theories are great, but

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<v Speaker 2>I want to know what's actually happening on the ground.

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<v Speaker 2>We have a case study here on Figure AI. They

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<v Speaker 2>seem to be the ones really pushing this recursive strategy explicitly.

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<v Speaker 3>Figure is absolutely the poster child for this right now.

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<v Speaker 3>They aren't being subtle about it at all. Their entire

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<v Speaker 3>business model is built around closing this loop.

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<v Speaker 2>They have a facility called BOTQ in California. What exactly

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<v Speaker 2>goes on inside botq Q is.

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<v Speaker 3>Designed for one thing, and that is scale. It's not

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<v Speaker 3>a standard assembly plant where you have people standing at

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<v Speaker 3>stations with screwdrivers and torque wrenches. It was built from

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<v Speaker 3>the ground up to transition from making thousands of units

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<v Speaker 3>a year to a highly aggressive, high volume output.

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<v Speaker 2>Using the robots themselves as the primary workers.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly so.

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<v Speaker 2>Brett Adcock, the CEO over at Figure has this roadmap

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<v Speaker 2>involving the Figure O three.

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<v Speaker 3>Model right, the Figure O three and specifically the Helix

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<v Speaker 3>AI stack that runs it.

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<v Speaker 2>Explain this Helix stack to us? Is that just their

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<v Speaker 2>version of an operating system.

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<v Speaker 3>Think of Helix as a collective intelligence. This is where

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<v Speaker 3>the math gets really interesting. Every single time a figure

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<v Speaker 3>robot moves, it's not just executing code, it's learning. This

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<v Speaker 3>leads to what they call the data flywheel. This is

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<v Speaker 3>easily the most critical concept for understanding figures massive valuation right.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, the flywheel. We hear that term in business school

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<v Speaker 2>all the time, but how does it apply to a

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<v Speaker 2>physical robot assembling say a battery pack.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, let's play it out. Imagine a Figure O three

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<v Speaker 3>robot on the line at BOTQ. It's tasked with wiring

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<v Speaker 3>a subassembly. Let's say it struggles a little bit on

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<v Speaker 3>its first try. Maybe it fumbles a tiny connector or

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<v Speaker 3>the wire is bent in an unpredictable way. It tries,

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<v Speaker 3>it adjusts its grip, it tries again, and eventually it

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<v Speaker 2>It figures the problem out.

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<v Speaker 3>It figures it out. But here is the magic of

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<v Speaker 3>the flywheel. That data the struggle, the micro corrections, the

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<v Speaker 3>video feed, the exact force it felt on its fingertips.

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<v Speaker 3>All of that is immediately uploaded to the central helix model.

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<v Speaker 2>It's essentially recording the entire experience.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, and then that experience is used to train the

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<v Speaker 2>So if one robot learns something hard, they all learn

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<v Speaker 3>And here is where the recursive part kicks into high gear.

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<v Speaker 3>The bitter they get it manufacturing the faster and cheaper

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<v Speaker 2>They can put more robots out in the world, collecting

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<v Speaker 3>World data, which makes the central model smarter, which makes

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<v Speaker 3>the manufacturing even better. Round and round, the flywheel goes

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<v Speaker 2>That really explains the valuation numbers we are seeing. The

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<v Speaker 2>nine billion dollars. That's a massive number for a company

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<v Speaker 2>that just a few years ago didn't even exist.

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<v Speaker 3>Investors aren't really betting on the robot's figure is selling today,

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<v Speaker 3>They are betting entirely on the flywheel. They see the

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<v Speaker 3>direct correlation between this recursive strategy and exponential scaling. If

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<v Speaker 3>you can make the robot that builds the robot, you

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<v Speaker 2>And the vision here is scaling to billions of units,

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<v Speaker 2>not millions billions.

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<v Speaker 3>Ed Gock has been very clear on this point. He

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's pivot to the other giant in the room.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't talk about manufacturing scale without talking about Tesla.

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<v Speaker 3>Tesla's optimist program. It's a very different beast from Figure

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<v Speaker 3>mostly because of their intense vertical integration.

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<v Speaker 2>Right because figure is laser focused on just the robot.

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<v Speaker 2>Tesla is already a car company, an energy company, and

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<v Speaker 2>of Optimists right now in February or twenty twenty six.

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<v Speaker 3>We are looking closely at their Fremont pilot production lines.

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<v Speaker 3>Right now they are assembling generation two and some early

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<v Speaker 3>generation three prototypes. But if you look at the ground reports,

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<v Speaker 3>the vibe there is quite different from a fully automated

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<v Speaker 3>lights outline. It's very much human in the loop right now.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's definitely not a ghost.

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<v Speaker 3>Factory yet, No, not yet. You walk that line and

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<v Speaker 3>you see teams of human engineers working right alongside the

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<v Speaker 3>automated robotic processes. They're tweaking the actuators, adjusting tension in

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<v Speaker 3>the wiring harnesses, calibrating the sensors by hand. It's a

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<v Speaker 3>very close collaboration.

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<v Speaker 2>Musk has said they are currently useful for simple tasks.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the official line today, simple tasks now, but with

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<v Speaker 3>a very aggressive trajectory toward complex autonomy by the end

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<v Speaker 3>of twenty twenty six. But the hardware design itself is

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<v Speaker 3>where Tesla really flexes its manufacturing muscles biomimicry.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, We've seen a.

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<v Speaker 3>Lot about that. Yes, Optimis is designed to mimic the

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<v Speaker 3>human form biologically more than almost any other robot on

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<v Speaker 3>the market. The specific motors they design are meant to

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<v Speaker 3>act like biological muscles. The electronics are incredibly compact to

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<v Speaker 2>Why is that so important? I mean, why not just

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<v Speaker 2>build a robot that looks like a forklift or a

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<v Speaker 2>robotic arm on wheels because.

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<v Speaker 3>The world is already built for humans. The modern factory

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<v Speaker 3>is built for humans. If you want a truly general

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<v Speaker 3>purpose robot, it needs to be able to fit through

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<v Speaker 3>a standard door frame. It needs to use standard hand tools,

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<v Speaker 3>It needs to walk up stairs that were built for

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<v Speaker 2>Ah. I see.

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<v Speaker 3>The whole design intent is to create a general purpose

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<v Speaker 3>humanoid that can seamlessly slot into a world that was

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<v Speaker 3>entirely built.

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<v Speaker 2>For us, including the factory that builds the robot itself.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly. If the Tesla factory is already designed for people

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<v Speaker 3>to walk around in, the robot needs to move and

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<v Speaker 3>operate like a person.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to ask about this thing in the notes

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<v Speaker 2>called the Optimus Academy It sounds like a prep school

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<v Speaker 2>from a sci fi novel, but the research says it's

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely crucial for their data strategy.

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<v Speaker 3>It sort of is a prep school. Honestly. This is

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<v Speaker 3>their massive simulation engine.

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<v Speaker 2>You see.

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<v Speaker 3>You can't train a robot entirely in the real world.

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<v Speaker 3>It's way too slow.

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<v Speaker 2>And dangerous, I imagine, and very dangerous.

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<v Speaker 3>If a robot loses its balance and falls over in

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<v Speaker 3>the real world, you just broke a ten thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 3>custom actuator. If it falls over in a simulation, you

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<v Speaker 3>just reset the code and try again.

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<v Speaker 2>So they essentially put them in the matrix to learn.

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<v Speaker 3>Essentially, Yes, they have thousands upon thousands of virtual Optimist

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<v Speaker 3>units running in these hyperreal simulations twenty four hours a day.

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<v Speaker 3>They are practicing fine dexterity balance and complex object manipulation

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<v Speaker 3>in a totally physics compliant virtual world.

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<v Speaker 2>They call it self. Play in the documents, right.

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<v Speaker 3>They play out these scenarios millions of times. Pick up

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<v Speaker 3>the box, plug in the high voltage cable, walk over

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<v Speaker 3>the uneven concrete floor. Then they take that brain the

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<v Speaker 3>neural net weights they developed in the simulation, and they

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<v Speaker 3>download it straight into the physical robot. This accelerates the

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<v Speaker 2>So you have the real world data coming from the

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<v Speaker 2>Fremont pilot line combining with the massive simulation data from

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<v Speaker 3>And that combination is what triggers the recursion tipping point.

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<v Speaker 3>Once the internal fleets are capable enough to bootstrap their

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<v Speaker 3>own output, the data looks tighten up significantly, becomes a

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<v Speaker 3>blur of improvement.

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<v Speaker 2>What's the actual production roadmap look like? When can I

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<v Speaker 2>actually buy one to fold my laundry?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I wouldn't get your checkbook out just yet. Mid

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<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty six is their target for repurposing lines for

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<v Speaker 3>low volume internal use. Tesla wants to be its own,

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<v Speaker 3>first and biggest customer.

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<v Speaker 2>That makes total sense, eat your own dog food, as

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<v Speaker 2>they say in.

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<v Speaker 3>Software, or use your own robot. Then they are projecting

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<v Speaker 3>ramping up to actual customer deliveries in late twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 3>six or early twenty twenty seven. The volume targets they've

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<v Speaker 3>set are staggering. Fremont is looking at fifty to one

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<v Speaker 2>Units initially, and the Giga Texas facility.

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<v Speaker 3>Millions long term they are eyeing millions of units out

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<v Speaker 3>of Texas. And this brings us to the cost factor.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the part that blows my mind every single

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<v Speaker 3>time I look at the economic church, the.

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<v Speaker 2>Cost collapse phenomenon. Let's dig into that.

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<v Speaker 3>As recursion scales up, the cost to produce each unit

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<v Speaker 3>is projected to absolutely plummet. We are talking about a

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<v Speaker 3>target range of twenty to thirty thousand dollars per robot.

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<v Speaker 2>That is, I mean, that's comparable to a pretty cheap

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<v Speaker 2>compact car.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually it's cheaper than most new cars today. And remember

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<v Speaker 3>a car sits idle in your driveway ninety percent of

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<v Speaker 3>the time. This robot works twenty four to seven. The

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<v Speaker 3>value proposition is just off the charts. The cost collapse

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<v Speaker 3>happens because you are permanently removing human labor from the

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<v Speaker 2>If the robot that is building the row doesn't draw salary,

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't need health insurance, the cost of the new robot

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<v Speaker 2>basically approaches the raw cost of the materials.

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<v Speaker 3>And the energy to run the machines. That's it, that's

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<v Speaker 3>the bottom line. If you take human wages completely out

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<v Speaker 2>We've talked a lot about California and Texas, but we

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<v Speaker 2>really need to look east. The ecosystem in China is

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<v Speaker 2>moving at an absolute breakneck pace.

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<v Speaker 3>Relentless. That's the only word for the Chinese industrial sector

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<v Speaker 3>right now. If the US companies are innovating heavily on

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<v Speaker 3>the software models, China is innovating on the sheer scale

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<v Speaker 3>of deployment.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's talk about Unitree. They're a massive player here.

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<v Speaker 3>Unitree has already deployed their G one humanoids on actual

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<v Speaker 3>factory production lines in Shenzen. It isn't a controlled lab environment.

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<v Speaker 3>This is Shenzen. It's the manufacturing capital of the world.

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<v Speaker 2>And they are using this system called the Uniform LM

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<v Speaker 3>That's their proprietary embodied AI architecture. And the visual evidence

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<v Speaker 3>we have from these factory floors is really strike. We

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<v Speaker 3>see complex by manual manipulation, meaning the robot is using

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<v Speaker 3>two hands together cooperatively to screw in tiny components, assemble subassemblies,

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<v Speaker 3>and wire up actuators.

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<v Speaker 2>Wiring is notoriously hard for robots, isn't it. It's floppy,

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<v Speaker 2>it bends, it's unpredictable, it.

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<v Speaker 3>Is incredibly difficult. A rigid metal part is easy for

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<v Speaker 3>a robot to grab. A wire moves out of the way.

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<v Speaker 3>Seeing a robot handle flexible cables with that level of

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<v Speaker 3>precision is a major industry milestone. It signals a hard

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<v Speaker 3>transition from cool tech demos to actual operational production.

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<v Speaker 2>And what about their pricing.

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<v Speaker 3>China always competes fiercely on cost. Currently, that level of

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<v Speaker 3>capability is priced around ninety to one hundred thousand dollars,

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<v Speaker 3>but they're scaling is pushing that number down extremely fast.

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<v Speaker 3>They are actively projecting shipments of ten to twenty thousand

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<v Speaker 2>Low I have to mention the Spring Festival showcases. We

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<v Speaker 2>all saw online the videos of the robots doing backflips

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<v Speaker 2>and kung fu. It felt a bit like a circus

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<v Speaker 2>act to me.

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<v Speaker 3>It's fantastic marketing, isn't it. But it serves a very

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<v Speaker 3>real dual per pose. Yes, it looks incredibly cool on

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<v Speaker 3>social media and gets the public excited about the tech,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's also an extreme stress test.

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<v Speaker 2>How so a backflip isn't building a car.

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<v Speaker 3>Think about the physics of a backflip for a machine

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<v Speaker 3>that heavy think about the impact on the metal joints

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<v Speaker 3>when it lands, the dynamic balance required in mid air,

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<v Speaker 3>the speed of the micro adjustments the computer has to make.

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<v Speaker 3>If a robot can land a solid backflip, it proves

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<v Speaker 3>the dynamic capabilities of their actuators and their balance algorithms.

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<v Speaker 3>It proves the hardware can handle sudden, very high force

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<v Speaker 2>Ah. So if it can do kung fu, it definitely

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<v Speaker 2>has the range of motion and the durability to install

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<v Speaker 2>a heavy dashboard in a car chassis all day long.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly. It's a flex, but it's a deeply technical flex.

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<v Speaker 3>It tells the entire industry, Hey, our motors are strong

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<v Speaker 3>enough and our control systems are fast enough to handle

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<v Speaker 2>And it's not just unitry over there. The notes also

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<v Speaker 2>mention engine AI.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, emerging players like engine AI are showing off some

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<v Speaker 3>really ultra precise handling. We've seen viral demonstrations of them

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<v Speaker 3>manipulating bare circuit boards and highly delicate sensors.

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<v Speaker 2>Things that would just snap in half if the robots

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<v Speaker 3>Hard exactly, tasks that were previously deemed way too human

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<v Speaker 3>because they required a genuine gentle touch and fine motor

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<v Speaker 3>skills are now being fully automated.

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<v Speaker 2>It's fascinating to see how this tech bleeds into the

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<v Speaker 2>broader industry beyond just the robot companies making robots. We

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<v Speaker 2>see Agility Robotics, for example, partnering up with Toyota.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a huge validation for the space. Agility's digit robot

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<v Speaker 3>is deployed right now at Toyota Canada SUV plans. But

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<v Speaker 3>look at what it's actually doing. It's not welding frames.

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<v Speaker 3>It's doing logistics, bin handling, navigating the line.

433
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<v Speaker 2>Just moving stuff around the factory.

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<v Speaker 3>It sounds a bit boring compared to a backflip, but

435
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<v Speaker 3>material handling is a massive chunk of all factory labor.

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<v Speaker 3>If the robot can reliably bring the right parts to

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<v Speaker 3>the line at exactly the right time, the humans or

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<v Speaker 3>the other robots can focus entirely on the complexes. It's

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<v Speaker 3>all about optimizing the flow of materials.

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<v Speaker 2>And Boston Dynamics they finally retired their old hydraulic at

441
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<v Speaker 2>lists and went fully electric the electric aatlysts.

442
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<v Speaker 3>Yes, they've deployed it to Hyundai and deep Mind their

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<v Speaker 3>primary focus right now is connectivity. They are deeply integrating

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<v Speaker 3>these robots with MAS that's manufacturing execution systems and WMS,

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<v Speaker 3>the warehouse management systems.

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<v Speaker 2>So the robot isn't just a standalone physical worker, it's

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<v Speaker 2>an active node in the factory's digital network.

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<v Speaker 3>Precisely, it knows exactly what to build and where to

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<v Speaker 3>go because the factory software is telling it directly over

450
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<v Speaker 3>the network. It's not just looking at a printed checklist.

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<v Speaker 3>It is physically plugged into the brain of the factory.

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<v Speaker 2>What about heavy industry, We have a note here about

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<v Speaker 2>zoom Lean.

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<v Speaker 3>This one is genuinely impressive. Zoomlean has demonstrated their humanoids

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<v Speaker 3>actively assembling heavy.

456
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<v Speaker 2>Excavators, excavators like giant earth moving construction equipment, huge.

457
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<v Speaker 3>Machines, and the cycle time for the specific assembly task

458
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<v Speaker 3>was six minutes. It really shows the crazy versus tility

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<v Speaker 3>of the humanoid form factor. It works on tiny, delicate

460
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<v Speaker 3>circuit boards and it works on giant hydraulic arms. It's

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<v Speaker 3>the exact same basic shape, two arms, two legs, adapting

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<v Speaker 3>to completely different scales of physical work.

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<v Speaker 2>So looking at the global shipment estimates across all these companies.

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<v Speaker 3>We're looking at tens of thousands of units deployed in

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<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty six, hundreds of thousand by twenty twenty seven,

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<v Speaker 3>and millions shortly after that. The adoption curve is practically vertical.

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<v Speaker 2>Right now, I want to spend the rest of our

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<v Speaker 2>time here on the broader implications, because when you talk

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<v Speaker 2>about millions of robots entering the global workforce, specifically robots

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<v Speaker 2>that can build more robots, we are talking about a

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<v Speaker 2>complete transformation of the global economic model.

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<v Speaker 3>We are moving from linear production lines to recursive lines.

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<v Speaker 3>I truly believe this is the biggest shift in manufacturing

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<v Speaker 3>since the invention of the assembly line itself.

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<v Speaker 2>Define the difference for the listener, what is a linear

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<v Speaker 2>line versus a recursive line.

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<v Speaker 3>A linear line is fundamentally labor capped. You have one

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<v Speaker 3>hundred physical stations. You need one hundred people. If you

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<v Speaker 3>want to run a night shift to double production, you

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<v Speaker 3>need to find and hire another one hundred people. It

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<v Speaker 3>is inherently wage bound. You have to pay all those people,

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<v Speaker 3>and historically wages tend to go up.

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<v Speaker 2>And a recursive line.

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<v Speaker 3>The recursive line operates twenty four to seven. There is

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<v Speaker 3>zero physical fatigue, there are no shift changes, no bathroom breaks,

486
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<v Speaker 3>and critically, there is instant knowledge transfer.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the software a piece coming back into play.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>If you hire a brand new human worker, you have

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<v Speaker 3>to train them. It takes weeks or months before they

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<v Speaker 3>are fully up to speed. If you build a new robot,

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<v Speaker 3>you just upload the latest software build. It starts its

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<v Speaker 3>very first day on the job with the accumulated experience

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<v Speaker 3>of every single robot that came before it.

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<v Speaker 2>This directly leads to that cost collapse phenomenon we touched

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<v Speaker 2>on earlier.

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<v Speaker 3>It changes the very definition of cost in macroeconomics. As

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<v Speaker 3>we said, if labor costs vanish from the equation, you

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<v Speaker 3>enter an era of what economists are calling abundance.

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<v Speaker 2>Abundance that's a really big It sounds almost utopian.

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<v Speaker 3>Think about it from a purely economic standpoint. Why are

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<v Speaker 3>houses so expensive to build? Labor? Why is infrastructure repair

503
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<v Speaker 3>expensive labor? Why is deep earth mining expensive labor? And

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<v Speaker 3>the danger associated with it? If you have robots constructing

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<v Speaker 3>massive solar farms, running deep mining operations, and repairing highway bridges,

506
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<v Speaker 3>and those robots only cost the price of raw materials,

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<v Speaker 3>the fundamental cost of living could change completely.

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<v Speaker 2>We could send them into highly hazardous environments without a

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<v Speaker 2>second thought.

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<v Speaker 3>Nuclear disaster cleanups, deep sea mining, space construction on the Moon,

511
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<v Speaker 3>or Mars, environments where human presence is either far too

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<v Speaker 3>dangerous or physically impossible. Suddenly these massive engineering projects become

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<v Speaker 3>economically viable because you aren't risking human lives or paying

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<v Speaker 3>hazard pay.

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<v Speaker 2>But and there is always a big butt with these things.

516
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<v Speaker 3>There is always a butt. You can't change the foundational

517
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<v Speaker 3>bedrock of the global economy without some major cracks appearing.

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<v Speaker 2>The human workforce. The GLOS global physical workforce is roughly

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<v Speaker 2>two billion people right now, and.

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<v Speaker 3>If the current scaling trend holds, humanoids have the potential

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<v Speaker 3>to completely surpass that number by twenty thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>That is a staggering amount of displacement. We are talking

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<v Speaker 2>about the basic structure of the labor market. Just dissolving.

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<v Speaker 3>It is a fundamental societal shift. We will see massive

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<v Speaker 3>job displacement, that is an absolute certainty. We really can't

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<v Speaker 3>pretend otherwise. But we will also see emerging roles in oversight,

527
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<v Speaker 3>system design and fleet maintenance. The real question is will

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<v Speaker 3>the new jobs appear as fast as the old manual

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<v Speaker 3>jobs disappear.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the multi trillion dollar question for the next decade.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's not just about jobs, right. There are physical

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<v Speaker 2>constraints to this growth. We can't just snap our fingers

533
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<v Speaker 2>and wish billions of complex robots into existence.

534
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<v Speaker 3>Resource limits are very real. These robots and the computers

535
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<v Speaker 3>that train them eat a massive amount of energy. The

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<v Speaker 3>power requirements for training these huge AI models and running

537
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<v Speaker 3>the physical compute farms are staggering. We need more electricity globally,

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<v Speaker 3>need to upgrade the grid significantly.

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<v Speaker 2>And the physical supply chain.

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<v Speaker 3>Rare earth elements are the major bottleneck, things like neodymium, dysprosium, urbium.

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<v Speaker 3>These specific elements are absolutely essential for the high performance

542
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<v Speaker 3>magnets using the robot's actuators. You simply can't build a compact,

543
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<v Speaker 3>high torque robot.

544
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<v Speaker 2>Motor without them, and the geopolitical map for those specific

545
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<v Speaker 2>elements is pretty complicated.

546
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<v Speaker 3>Complicated is putting it politely. China currently controls a vast

547
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<v Speaker 3>majority of the processing capacity for rare earth minerals. This

548
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<v Speaker 3>entire technology sector is the center of a very intense

549
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<v Speaker 3>race for dominance between the US and China. It's not

550
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<v Speaker 3>just about who employees the smartest AI engineers or who

551
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<v Speaker 3>builds the best robot, it's about who actually controls the

552
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<v Speaker 3>raw materials required to build them at scale.

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<v Speaker 2>And then there's the issue of safety alignment.

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<v Speaker 3>As physical autonomy increases, ensuring the robot does what you

555
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<v Speaker 3>want it to do and strictly only what you want

556
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<v Speaker 3>is a massive technical challenge. A bug in a digital

557
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<v Speaker 3>chatbot writes a weird poem or gives bad advice. A

558
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<v Speaker 3>bug in a recursive manufacturing robot could shut down an

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<v Speaker 3>entire supply chain, break millions of dollars of equipment, or

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<v Speaker 3>cause severe physical damage to the factory.

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<v Speaker 2>So to try and wrap this all up twenty twenty six,

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<v Speaker 2>you see this as the definitive pivot point.

563
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<v Speaker 3>It really is. We have officially moved from the hype cycle,

564
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<v Speaker 3>the cool tech videos, the lofty promises, and sci fi

565
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<v Speaker 3>dreams to a very pragmatic, recursive reality. Factories worldwide are

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<v Speaker 3>currently utilizing humanoids to handle the parts of their own lineage.

567
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<v Speaker 3>The loop is closing as we speak.

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<v Speaker 2>The production curves are going completely vertical.

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<v Speaker 3>And as they do, they're going to redefine our economies.

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<v Speaker 3>The future isn't a theoretical white paper anymore. You can

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<v Speaker 3>book a flight to California or Texas or Shenzend today

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<v Speaker 3>and watch it happening. It is unfolding in the assembly

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<v Speaker 3>of individual robotic limbs right now.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a fascinating, slightly terrifying, and incredibly exciting time to

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<v Speaker 2>be alive. Before we go, though, just a thought for

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<v Speaker 2>everyone listening to chew On. If the AI gets smart

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<v Speaker 2>enough to assemble the robots, how long until the AI

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<v Speaker 2>starts designing the hardware iterations themselves entirely bypassing the human engineers.

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<v Speaker 3>That is the next exponential.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll leave it there. That's the deep dive on recursive manufacturing.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for listening to this one. We'll see you next time.
