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<v Speaker 1>It's w W Roger than the fantasy stack in the

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<v Speaker 1>ring field history. Then tell me Wie from being lit

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<v Speaker 1>by the Bushwhacker to the Mega Powers exploding. We're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about Wrestlemannia five today, mister Mooney. How you doing today?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, the rash still is there, but it

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<v Speaker 2>never quite went away from that experience. And we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to get into it with my pals from down on

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<v Speaker 2>the Bushwhackers. But so much going on, and uh, I

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<v Speaker 2>want to apologize. So it sounds a little KB Is

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<v Speaker 2>that a word? I don't. I just made it up.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm in my new DAGs who was really excited

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<v Speaker 2>about you know, I've been talking your ear off about it,

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<v Speaker 2>but yes, he has made a big move. And I

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<v Speaker 2>know it's hard to because it's just this, but now

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<v Speaker 2>I'm setting up my own studio so that we can

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<v Speaker 2>just keep creating more great content for everybody out there.

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<v Speaker 2>We have so many big plans, isn't that true, mister Paul.

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<v Speaker 1>Too many big plans to talk about right now. But

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about WrestleMania five, which is your first Wrestlemanian.

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<v Speaker 1>I really want to talk about that because so far

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<v Speaker 1>we've had four WrestleManias. Now here's the fifth one. You're

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<v Speaker 1>here the first time. What are your feelings going into this?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you excited? Are you nervous? What was happening inside you?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? Yeah, I was a wreck, I think. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't like it was really my first rodeo as

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<v Speaker 2>far as these big events, but this was WrestleMania and

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<v Speaker 2>it was at the time, you know, just this gigantic

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<v Speaker 2>spectacle and the fact that I was going to be

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<v Speaker 2>part of it was yeah, it was. I really tried

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<v Speaker 2>to keep my head down, just like just get you know,

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<v Speaker 2>do what they tell you, don't do any enforced errors

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<v Speaker 2>if you can help it. And but it did hit

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<v Speaker 2>me that, you know, this was just the greatest event

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<v Speaker 2>I'd ever been a part of, and it was so huge,

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<v Speaker 2>so many matches and so many involved and even though

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<v Speaker 2>it was in a sense, you know, really a small

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<v Speaker 2>venue where we got this in New Jersey of the

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<v Speaker 2>boardwalk in Atlantic City, but it was going to be

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the pay per view audience was out there.

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<v Speaker 2>We knew that was going to be millions of people watching.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was it was gigantic, and it was even

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<v Speaker 2>after everything I'd done at that point, I was, I

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<v Speaker 2>have to you know, looking back, I really was overwhelmed,

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<v Speaker 2>and we had a lot happening. They had seen me

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<v Speaker 2>do stuff outside of the backstage things, so they wanted

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<v Speaker 2>me to do more of that. And that's always, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a crazy situation because you don't know what's going to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of things are out of your control

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<v Speaker 2>when you're out there in the crowd and doing that

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<v Speaker 2>kind of kind of thing. And but I was excited.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you don't get me wrong at all that

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't. I was thrilled. But you know, there's that

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<v Speaker 2>anxiety and you just hope you never let them see

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<v Speaker 2>a sweat as.

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<v Speaker 1>They say, well, you have a kind of a man

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<v Speaker 1>on a street feel for this entire WrestleMania. So the

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<v Speaker 1>meetings before this mania are they describing, All, Right, Tony Shivanni,

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna be backstage doing some interviews. But mooney, we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna send you out there in the wild. What are

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<v Speaker 1>your thoughts about that? Because you're right, these are elements

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<v Speaker 1>you cannot control. Someone jumps in front of you, they're

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<v Speaker 1>in front of you. You can't. It's not backstage where

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<v Speaker 1>the barbarian is going to actually cooperate with you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, absolutely, And you know, it was kind of

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<v Speaker 2>that whole persona that wanted me to have. You wanted that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, that you know, man in the street, a

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<v Speaker 2>journalist out there just taking in what's happening. And so

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<v Speaker 2>this is where I was really starting to, I guess,

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<v Speaker 2>come into my own in the sense of what my

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<v Speaker 2>place was with the WWF WWE and and so I

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<v Speaker 2>really took that, you know, to heart because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Tony coming in. I've heard people who live asked me before,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you guys intimidated or if you would you

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<v Speaker 2>think Tony was there to come in and take your job.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean they always would say things like that, but

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<v Speaker 2>I never ever looked at it like that. And then also,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Tony was basically a wrestling announcer, a true

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<v Speaker 2>wrestling announcer, and there was anybody who would be concerned

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<v Speaker 2>or something would be somebody from the announced team that

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't my lane. So bringing him in and having him

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<v Speaker 2>become part of the broadcast team, to me was was

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<v Speaker 2>great because it also it gave me more opportunities too. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, don't get me wrong, doing backstage interviews was

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<v Speaker 2>certainly a great part of what I got to be,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, involved in. But the fact that they started

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<v Speaker 2>to you know, experiment and have me go out and

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<v Speaker 2>do things like that, that they trusted me to go

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<v Speaker 2>out there and do that that would create some good

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<v Speaker 2>content for the pay per view was you know, it

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<v Speaker 2>was a big confidence boost for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there is so much going on here because all

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<v Speaker 1>hands on Deckie. You got Gorilla and Jeff Commentary. He

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<v Speaker 1>got Tony Schiavanni. Backstage, you got Mean Jean. He got

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<v Speaker 1>you in the field, Lord Alfred Hayes. They keep cutting

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<v Speaker 1>to him with he was part of the Rustmania brunch.

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<v Speaker 1>He was part of the five K run with mister Fuji. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>everyone is involved here, but I really want to take

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<v Speaker 1>a deep dive into what you're doing because the first

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<v Speaker 1>time we see you here, you're interviewing, you're in the

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<v Speaker 1>crowd talking about how the Bushwackers just beat the Fabulous

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<v Speaker 1>Rougos and they man handled you. I took a video

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<v Speaker 1>of the eyesight laugh and I sent it to you

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<v Speaker 1>last night, and they're grabbing you, pulling out your nose,

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<v Speaker 1>licking you. What is that?

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<v Speaker 2>Like?

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<v Speaker 1>I know, in today's world. We're so cautious of saliva

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<v Speaker 1>because of COVID before he ended nineteen eighty nine, are like,

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<v Speaker 1>let's just get in there, get in your ears.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it was part of their I know, I think

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<v Speaker 2>they were going to mess with me. They told me

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<v Speaker 2>they were going to come down and but to the

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<v Speaker 2>extent ofment and I know that Vince just love telling them,

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<v Speaker 2>like really give it to them, you know, just just

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<v Speaker 2>go and it would be you know it was it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't just you know they would it just wouldn't end.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean they would come back and they're licking my

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<v Speaker 2>head and then you know, oh, we got to get

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<v Speaker 2>better that, you know, like that, And it was just

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<v Speaker 2>crazy that that's what they were doing. And hold on,

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<v Speaker 2>I've got some wild animals. I don't know if that's

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<v Speaker 2>it's not.

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<v Speaker 1>The bushwalkers back to lick you.

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<v Speaker 2>No, they're not. But the thing about you know they're

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<v Speaker 2>coming down and you see the shot, which is a

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<v Speaker 2>great one. You know that the fact that they've got.

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<v Speaker 1>Those dog boys, they're fans.

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<v Speaker 2>That's going to be a jump cut. But the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that you see that the shot that they had was

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<v Speaker 2>just so good because it's it's that big, long, carpet

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<v Speaker 2>shot down the way, you know, down the way, and uh,

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<v Speaker 2>and you see them coming and I'm interacting with the

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<v Speaker 2>fans or whatever, and then you just see them coming

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<v Speaker 2>and then they go by and then they just grab me.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. It's like Malmi and I got along really

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<v Speaker 2>well with the Bushwhackers. I love those guys. We had

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<v Speaker 2>kind of a kinship because they were rugby players and

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<v Speaker 2>I played rugby in college. Uh and so that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of got me in with them because we would talk

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<v Speaker 2>rugby all the time. So uh, you know, we were

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<v Speaker 2>we had a really good relationship and what And for

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<v Speaker 2>them to do that, it was like they knew, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, mooney will be fun. Uh And and I

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<v Speaker 2>had lived from some lines there. I think I said

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<v Speaker 2>to Grillo, do you ever have a dog that really

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<v Speaker 2>liked you yet? And then as I'm wrapping it up,

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<v Speaker 2>I say, guys, I'm going to go find a towel

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<v Speaker 2>and a brush. You know, it's because my hair was

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<v Speaker 2>all a skew, but it was you know, it was

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<v Speaker 2>very cool. I mean to be you know, to be

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<v Speaker 2>part of that that gimmick. What I have preferred not

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<v Speaker 2>to have a man licking my face it's not the

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<v Speaker 2>greatest experience, but it's it's a bit that people still

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<v Speaker 2>tell me about, you know, how much how funny they

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<v Speaker 2>thought that was. And like I said, I knew that

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<v Speaker 2>in the back. And when they told the boys and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know Pat and Vince, you know, they had

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<v Speaker 2>this bizarre sense of humor. I'm sure they told him

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<v Speaker 2>give it to him, you know, like just just go

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<v Speaker 2>over the top with it, and they did, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and stay before we really dive into this, because what

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<v Speaker 2>made me think about this event, you know, he said, Alfred,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, being involved in the brunch and you know

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<v Speaker 2>all that they had a five k run and this

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<v Speaker 2>was one of those events where you know, it was

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<v Speaker 2>really you see it today, everything's a fans best, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they have some kinds of stuff going on with these

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<v Speaker 2>events that take place. But for me, it was ahead

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<v Speaker 2>of its time. You had never really seen this become

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<v Speaker 2>you know, so much of a multiple events, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>days prior to people, you know, the how do we

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<v Speaker 2>get people already involved instead of just the day of

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<v Speaker 2>the event. And so we had all of these you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the panels with the guys, and we had that five

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<v Speaker 2>k run and then we had you know, food set

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<v Speaker 2>up and they had vendors come in and so it

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<v Speaker 2>was really good I think at the beginning. And maybe

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<v Speaker 2>some of this had gone on before with other outfits.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, but I just remember it being this

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<v Speaker 2>gigantic event that wasn't just WrestleMania. It wasn't just the

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the event, the restling event. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I did some stuff with a bunch of things. I

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<v Speaker 2>you know, part of my main job there was hosting things.

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<v Speaker 2>I hosted panels, I went down to meet with fans

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<v Speaker 2>and uh, you know, all kinds of stuff. And I

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<v Speaker 2>was part of that run to the five K thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember that there was this box in my hotel

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<v Speaker 2>room and it had you know, this was before anybody

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<v Speaker 2>wore this kind of stuff, and they had with like leggings.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember the first thing I said when I went

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<v Speaker 2>down there. It was in front of this crowd and

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<v Speaker 2>it was you know, pretty chilly that day, and I said,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what, do I feel like I forgot my pants?

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<v Speaker 2>You know it was because they had me wearing this

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<v Speaker 2>ridiculous outfit, you know, and I that's another thing, and

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<v Speaker 2>that was a rib too. I think now everybody wears them,

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<v Speaker 2>but I was, you know, I had a brand newcare

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<v Speaker 2>of sneakers. They gave me in this WrestleMania sweatshirt or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, but overall, it was really setting the

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<v Speaker 2>stage of what these events would become. Not just you know,

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<v Speaker 2>show up and watch three hours of wrestling. It was

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<v Speaker 2>it became, you know, destination to bring the family and

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<v Speaker 2>stay for a few days and be a part because

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<v Speaker 2>they had all kinds of things going on and it

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<v Speaker 2>was just another way to create a revenue but also

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<v Speaker 2>create the hype or there was a lot more than

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<v Speaker 2>just sitting in that arena and watching all that exciting

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<v Speaker 2>action in the ring. It's great.

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<v Speaker 1>That's interesting you say that because it's so hard to

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<v Speaker 1>Coliseum video, it wasn't. It would show you maybe a

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<v Speaker 1>shot of it. But when you're hosting these these q

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<v Speaker 1>and as, like when you're eating breakfast with a wrestleer,

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<v Speaker 1>like what is actually happening? Are we all just eating

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<v Speaker 2>No, mostly it would be they'd come in and they'd

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<v Speaker 2>And then it's, you know, at the point where everybody

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<v Speaker 2>press conference. Yeah, and you know, I go out and

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<v Speaker 2>like I said, ahead of its time of what we're

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<v Speaker 2>But as I've mentioned many times before in events, one

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<v Speaker 2>thing that was brilliant about him and the team is

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<v Speaker 2>that they brought in people that really knew how to

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<v Speaker 2>wrestling acts that had been around forever, promoting events where

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<v Speaker 2>the town or something. You know. These guys were big

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<v Speaker 2>and said, hey, what about this? And Vince was all

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<v Speaker 1>Really Yeah, no, he again, he gets a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>one of the things he's talking about roaming around. You

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<v Speaker 1>go all the way up and you interview these two guys.

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<v Speaker 1>These two guys clearly have been drinking, because you're like,

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<v Speaker 1>how's the show going? He said, Jake Check's the best. Jake,

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<v Speaker 1>just immediately get out of there. Again, how long does

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it wasn't so much the transportation. I think, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>about going to the nose bleed and I you know,

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<v Speaker 2>And it's kind of like one of those things that

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<v Speaker 2>because you never knew what was going to happen in

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<v Speaker 2>that situation where you know, like you mentioned that guy

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<v Speaker 2>that was you know, you don't just go and just

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<v Speaker 2>just kind of you know, to say, Okay, this guy

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<v Speaker 2>will be good. You know, he could tell after you

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<v Speaker 2>want to say something, you want to come on, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and uh, and this guy was being very coherent. I thought, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>he he's going to be good good And then and

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<v Speaker 2>then I don't know if it was said you know

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<v Speaker 2>thing he could come out of his mouth. But then

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<v Speaker 2>you're like, I'm like, you know, thanks a lot. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I had I thought you're going to do one thing,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you went somewhere else not helping. But but

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<v Speaker 2>the the idea that you're up there and you're around

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<v Speaker 2>more people say, it's just people being brought in and

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<v Speaker 2>felt like they're there, and then you're in there with

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<v Speaker 2>them and getting that feel of what it's like to

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<v Speaker 2>be sitting in those seats. That was my mission, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think we always accomplished that. It didn't It was

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<v Speaker 2>one of those things that really nothing could go wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember, you know a few other times where you

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<v Speaker 2>know you'd be there, and this has always been true

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<v Speaker 2>no matter what you're covering. But as soon as you

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<v Speaker 2>know they have they keep the lights down, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>until it's time to do the shot to the hit,

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<v Speaker 2>and then the lights come up and it is it's

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<v Speaker 2>like the mock the plane and people see it and

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<v Speaker 2>they brought dross everybody's attention to it, and then they're

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<v Speaker 2>you're hoping, and I remember they had a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>security people up there where well because you don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't have people running in. You don't know who's

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<v Speaker 2>around there. They could just jump into the shot or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, you don't stand chance when there's you've

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<v Speaker 2>a camera. This two guys aren't going to stop them.

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<v Speaker 2>And I remember There were a few times and it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't I'm not at this event where we did that

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<v Speaker 2>and I would start doing it and then suddenly you

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<v Speaker 2>just see me just kind of disappear, you know. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh So that was always that was always the variable

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<v Speaker 2>out there. You didn't really know what was going to

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<v Speaker 2>happen when it was live like that, but there was

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<v Speaker 2>just an excitement to it that you know. I loved

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<v Speaker 2>doing that. I loved being out there. I loved when

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<v Speaker 2>they gave me a time to go interview a celebrity

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<v Speaker 2>in the crowd or you know whatever it was, because

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<v Speaker 2>it was it really did I felt brought people into

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<v Speaker 2>like if you were actually there then that day, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>while it was going on, and you know, I think

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<v Speaker 2>it was a really great part of it. Other than

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<v Speaker 2>just the backstage you know interviews.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, I added a whole different element. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you did mention that you are You're in the crowd

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<v Speaker 1>right before Hogan and Savage and you're like, let's do

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<v Speaker 1>a poll, Let's do a pole. That'sk a poll, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's when a couple of dudes just jump in and

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<v Speaker 1>you get handsy like you. You push those dudes right

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<v Speaker 1>out of the way, and god damn it, Moody, that's right,

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<v Speaker 1>get hit those assholes out of the way. You need

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<v Speaker 1>to get your shit in.

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<v Speaker 2>I loved it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, do you gotta do that? Security wasn't doing their jobs,

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<v Speaker 1>but you did interview you know, uh, future President Donald

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<v Speaker 1>Trump here and he I don't think he knows what

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<v Speaker 1>to say when you're asking him questions, because when you

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<v Speaker 1>start talking about him talking to him, he doesn't really

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<v Speaker 1>know what to say. He just keeps saying, it's an

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<v Speaker 1>amazing show. I'm glad people are here.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh the you ask about the castina out, He's saying,

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<v Speaker 1>it's full. What was the atmosphere like for you? Are

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<v Speaker 1>you prepped to ask him? Are you giving questions like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>make sure you mentioned the boardwalk, make sure you mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>this what's going on before you talk to him?

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<v Speaker 2>No? I never had didn't get a chance to talk

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<v Speaker 2>to him at all before. It was just go go

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<v Speaker 2>talk to him. You weren't going to get a chance

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<v Speaker 2>to rehearse, you know. And I don't think Donald Trump's

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<v Speaker 2>ever rehearsed anything in his life. He just does it.

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<v Speaker 2>And uh, you know, it's like, oh, it's great event,

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<v Speaker 2>the greatest thing, you know, uh and so but uh

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<v Speaker 2>and I've I've mentioned this before. It still remains one

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<v Speaker 2>of the worst live interviews I think I ever did.

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<v Speaker 2>And probably somebody may argue, but it was the uh

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<v Speaker 2>I was. I was a wreck. I mean, and I

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<v Speaker 2>had to you know, the old ear piece thing, and

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't you know, now I have a fit in

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<v Speaker 2>one that's not going to pop into my ear, but

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<v Speaker 2>it was one of these things that they hand you

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<v Speaker 2>and it had like the big hok on it that

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<v Speaker 2>went over your ear and then it was huge it

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<v Speaker 2>popped out, you know. Yeah, so I didn't really couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>hear the queue and and I'm like flustered and I

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<v Speaker 2>think I called I stumbled over his name and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>just ah, yeah that that still remains. It's haunted me forever.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the guy has to become president.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, right, so then you pop up randomly constantly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. People said, if you haven't see the picture, there's

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<v Speaker 2>the interview. And whenever I go to, uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>do one of these signings, and and some of them

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<v Speaker 2>it won't just be my head shot. They'll have they've

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<v Speaker 2>got very creative over here is finding these images, so

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<v Speaker 2>it'll be me, uh Marandy Savage and you know, all

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<v Speaker 2>these different great shots and then me and Donald uh

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<v Speaker 2>that's the one. And and I've been I'm like, I said,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my god, it's like, I can't believe you're telling

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<v Speaker 2>you ask me this way, but it is. It's being

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<v Speaker 2>an honest person. I have to say that was the

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<v Speaker 2>worst that I ever did live. I got better. I

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<v Speaker 2>definitely got better, but they have to have it happen

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<v Speaker 2>with with Donald Trump. It was something to stay with

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<v Speaker 2>me forever. And and the fact that the guy's all

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<v Speaker 1>There you go memorable. We'll say we'll keep it. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>keep it at that. But yeah, when I watch it,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, man, he got this giant like this was

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<v Speaker 1>your earpiece, Like yep, so we are who I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>why it's so big.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's like it's like hanging. It's like it's not

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<v Speaker 2>even to day. It looks like it popped out and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what I'm doing. And yeah, and it's chaos.

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<v Speaker 2>You know that it's very loud, and you that thing

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<v Speaker 2>was worthless. I couldn't hear what the hell was going on.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that I don't even think that. It was

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<v Speaker 2>like through my ear they told me to go. I

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<v Speaker 2>think the camera guy, I like tell him to talk now,

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<v Speaker 2>you know now. But it's part of it. That's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>that's part of the excitement. You never, that's why we

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<v Speaker 2>do it. It's crazy. We're massacrests, you know. But I've

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<v Speaker 2>always been proud of the fact that on all the

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<v Speaker 2>things I've done in my career, whenever I had to

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<v Speaker 2>stand up in front of a camera and that light

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<v Speaker 2>went on, as they say, I went, I've never you know,

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<v Speaker 2>get through it. And that means always, you know, that's

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<v Speaker 2>a true test you That's what I always say to

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<v Speaker 2>people that you the answer the call. You know, when

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<v Speaker 2>you get up there, you find a way. And I've

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<v Speaker 2>It's crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think the sardine smell from the bushwhackers messed

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<v Speaker 1>with your brain, and that's what happened with you and

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump. That's just The facts are facts, all right, folks.

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<v Speaker 1>That's it's science, baby, it's science. Let's talk about the

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<v Speaker 1>event though, because before this event, there's actually counter programming

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<v Speaker 1>going on with Ted Turner on TBS. They're trying to

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<v Speaker 1>compete because we are in a war, folks, we are

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<v Speaker 1>in a war of counter programming with the Royal Rumble

418
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<v Speaker 1>being invented to count of program other events and now

419
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<v Speaker 1>here we are it's Rick Flayer versus Ricky Steinbo on

420
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<v Speaker 1>the other channel, free on TBS. How angry do you

421
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<v Speaker 1>think Vince McMahon is because he has pulled this on

422
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<v Speaker 1>Jim Crockett. Now someone is pulling this on him.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm sure that Vince wasn't happy. But see that's

424
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<v Speaker 2>what that's what juiced him. I mean, he loved the fight.

425
00:22:36.279 --> 00:22:40.079
<v Speaker 2>And you know it wasn't just this rufflemania. This whole

426
00:22:40.119 --> 00:22:42.799
<v Speaker 2>thing had God on only it was this big fight

427
00:22:43.039 --> 00:22:46.640
<v Speaker 2>because Turner had a big sway when it came to

428
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<v Speaker 2>cable and in the pay per view operators. He was

429
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<v Speaker 2>he was a big player, so he did have some

430
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<v Speaker 2>influence and I know Vince cut rates to undermine him,

431
00:23:00.279 --> 00:23:03.079
<v Speaker 2>and it was this corporate war, and I think that

432
00:23:03.240 --> 00:23:05.519
<v Speaker 2>Vince when it came down, he loved it. When you know,

433
00:23:05.680 --> 00:23:09.480
<v Speaker 2>that's what made him get up every day, is to

434
00:23:10.079 --> 00:23:14.759
<v Speaker 2>beat people and to come out on top. And so

435
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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it was he had the anger.

436
00:23:17.680 --> 00:23:20.079
<v Speaker 2>I think it was all right, let's go, let's see

437
00:23:20.079 --> 00:23:23.000
<v Speaker 2>what we can we can do to to to beat

438
00:23:23.039 --> 00:23:25.839
<v Speaker 2>them in this, and it was it was all kinds

439
00:23:25.839 --> 00:23:30.319
<v Speaker 2>of stuff going on. Remember they had, you know, the

440
00:23:30.359 --> 00:23:35.079
<v Speaker 2>three hour special thing that vade them that we did

441
00:23:35.200 --> 00:23:38.000
<v Speaker 2>face to face. I think it was with when they

442
00:23:38.039 --> 00:23:41.680
<v Speaker 2>had all the guys there and Vince hosted this thing,

443
00:23:43.279 --> 00:23:48.559
<v Speaker 2>and that was to counter their program building up to this.

444
00:23:49.319 --> 00:23:51.799
<v Speaker 2>So there was a there was. It was. It wasn't

445
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<v Speaker 2>just this one event. This was and I think they

446
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<v Speaker 2>even they had a eight hundred number, which you remember

447
00:24:00.480 --> 00:24:02.440
<v Speaker 2>back then that was a big thing that people would

448
00:24:02.440 --> 00:24:06.039
<v Speaker 2>get on and and you know, mom and dadou get

449
00:24:06.119 --> 00:24:06.839
<v Speaker 2>the bill like, what.

450
00:24:06.960 --> 00:24:09.160
<v Speaker 1>The f who did you call?

451
00:24:10.440 --> 00:24:15.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Two hundred dollars? Yeah, but I think they ran

452
00:24:15.799 --> 00:24:18.680
<v Speaker 2>that during the event to call call this eight hundred

453
00:24:18.759 --> 00:24:21.519
<v Speaker 2>number and find out what's what the restaurant on any

454
00:24:21.559 --> 00:24:25.799
<v Speaker 2>of results are, so, uh, you know, it was it

455
00:24:25.839 --> 00:24:28.640
<v Speaker 2>was a It was a war. It really was that

456
00:24:30.119 --> 00:24:31.720
<v Speaker 2>to see who had come out on top. And I

457
00:24:31.720 --> 00:24:34.480
<v Speaker 2>think when it came right down to it, Vince loved it.

458
00:24:34.599 --> 00:24:38.880
<v Speaker 2>He loved mixing it up and had you know. Sure,

459
00:24:39.519 --> 00:24:41.680
<v Speaker 2>there were times, you know, when Turner might have got

460
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<v Speaker 2>the best of them that day and he was angered,

461
00:24:45.319 --> 00:24:48.559
<v Speaker 2>but all that did was drive the guy even harder.

462
00:24:48.839 --> 00:24:51.759
<v Speaker 2>So I think in the end of it, I think

463
00:24:51.759 --> 00:24:53.960
<v Speaker 2>he enjoyed it. I think he enjoyed the war. I

464
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<v Speaker 2>really do.

465
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<v Speaker 1>It's true because, yeah, the Royal Rumbles created Survivor series.

466
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<v Speaker 1>He's created to counter program you know, Jim Crockett and

467
00:25:03.039 --> 00:25:05.599
<v Speaker 1>counter program ted Turners. Eventually with time keep a Google

468
00:25:05.759 --> 00:25:08.200
<v Speaker 1>going on. So yeah, I think Vince, you're right. I

469
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<v Speaker 1>think he loves the war. Like when the Monday Night

470
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<v Speaker 1>Wars ended, might have he might have been like, damn,

471
00:25:12.680 --> 00:25:15.200
<v Speaker 1>well that was fun and who am I going to

472
00:25:15.279 --> 00:25:17.640
<v Speaker 1>fight now? Just just I guess the world. But yeah,

473
00:25:17.680 --> 00:25:20.920
<v Speaker 1>you're right about that. They the WWF paid to have

474
00:25:21.000 --> 00:25:24.400
<v Speaker 1>a nine hundred number play during Clash of the Champions

475
00:25:24.640 --> 00:25:27.720
<v Speaker 1>Rick Flayer versus Ricky Steamboat to make sure you could

476
00:25:27.720 --> 00:25:29.559
<v Speaker 1>find out do you know who won the Dino Bravo

477
00:25:29.599 --> 00:25:32.119
<v Speaker 1>match or do you know who Megapowers won that match

478
00:25:32.160 --> 00:25:35.000
<v Speaker 1>like that is. I see it still today when you

479
00:25:35.039 --> 00:25:39.079
<v Speaker 1>watch WE or aw C commercial pop up, you're like, damn, damn,

480
00:25:39.279 --> 00:25:42.000
<v Speaker 1>I can't believe they're still doing this well.

481
00:25:42.039 --> 00:25:44.440
<v Speaker 2>And it's and you know, it's just that, you know,

482
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<v Speaker 2>not that it was going to make a huge difference,

483
00:25:46.720 --> 00:25:49.680
<v Speaker 2>but it was just you know, another jab. You know

484
00:25:49.759 --> 00:25:53.759
<v Speaker 2>that they did that, you know, purposely did that during

485
00:25:53.799 --> 00:25:57.559
<v Speaker 2>their event, and the w CW did the same thing.

486
00:25:57.680 --> 00:26:01.240
<v Speaker 2>They it was back and forth to see who you

487
00:26:01.319 --> 00:26:04.240
<v Speaker 2>get the best of the other. You know, that's and

488
00:26:04.279 --> 00:26:07.920
<v Speaker 2>look like you said, because of all that, that's all

489
00:26:07.920 --> 00:26:14.119
<v Speaker 2>these other great vvents were created. And if that, if that,

490
00:26:14.359 --> 00:26:16.960
<v Speaker 2>they wouldn't have had that, maybe wouldn't we wouldn't be

491
00:26:17.000 --> 00:26:20.000
<v Speaker 2>seeing all that. If they wouldn't have had that, that

492
00:26:20.079 --> 00:26:24.640
<v Speaker 2>competition wouldn't have taken professional wrestling to the heights that

493
00:26:24.720 --> 00:26:28.480
<v Speaker 2>it eventually went to. So it was all really, I mean,

494
00:26:28.480 --> 00:26:32.839
<v Speaker 2>when it came down to that, that competition, it was

495
00:26:33.279 --> 00:26:37.440
<v Speaker 2>all for the benefit of professional wrestling, no doubt about it. Yeah.

496
00:26:37.519 --> 00:26:40.440
<v Speaker 1>And then another big thing with this event is Donald Trump.

497
00:26:40.519 --> 00:26:43.720
<v Speaker 1>Obviously it's Trump Plaza. We are at his location. Wrestlman

498
00:26:43.839 --> 00:26:46.480
<v Speaker 1>A four was also here. Back to back arenas, which

499
00:26:46.759 --> 00:26:50.359
<v Speaker 1>has never happened in the w F at least. But

500
00:26:50.559 --> 00:26:54.839
<v Speaker 1>yet here we have this big argument about satellites because

501
00:26:55.240 --> 00:26:57.319
<v Speaker 1>Vince he wants to cut the sidelllites out because he's

502
00:26:57.359 --> 00:26:59.799
<v Speaker 1>afraid if you go to a bar, there's two hundred

503
00:26:59.799 --> 00:27:01.759
<v Speaker 1>people in that bar. Okay, well now they get to

504
00:27:01.759 --> 00:27:05.680
<v Speaker 1>watch the event without having to pay for it. Trump's like, no, no, no,

505
00:27:05.920 --> 00:27:08.960
<v Speaker 1>we need these satellite companies because I want people to

506
00:27:09.000 --> 00:27:12.000
<v Speaker 1>see how great this place is. Come come here, come

507
00:27:12.039 --> 00:27:15.079
<v Speaker 1>to the casino. Isn't always a constant problem. I know

508
00:27:15.119 --> 00:27:16.960
<v Speaker 1>the NFL has this issue where you have to buy

509
00:27:16.960 --> 00:27:20.119
<v Speaker 1>a package to play games inside of a bar because again,

510
00:27:20.279 --> 00:27:23.559
<v Speaker 1>you're losing viewers if you jam pack your place. What

511
00:27:23.680 --> 00:27:25.920
<v Speaker 1>do you did you ever have this discussion with anyone

512
00:27:25.960 --> 00:27:28.880
<v Speaker 1>about how you know pirrating is really just airing it

513
00:27:28.920 --> 00:27:30.160
<v Speaker 1>for a bunch of people to watch.

514
00:27:32.960 --> 00:27:35.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but you know there are two arguments there. You

515
00:27:36.039 --> 00:27:41.480
<v Speaker 2>just laid it out that, Yeah, sure, like Vince wanted

516
00:27:41.519 --> 00:27:44.599
<v Speaker 2>it to be paid for in every single home and

517
00:27:44.640 --> 00:27:46.599
<v Speaker 2>not give it away where you could have, you know,

518
00:27:46.880 --> 00:27:48.880
<v Speaker 2>venues where you could put a lot of people in.

519
00:27:49.799 --> 00:27:52.640
<v Speaker 2>But there's also the argument of you know, the more

520
00:27:52.960 --> 00:27:56.279
<v Speaker 2>people who see it, the more your product the scene,

521
00:27:56.319 --> 00:27:59.200
<v Speaker 2>and more people will want it. The guy next year,

522
00:27:59.359 --> 00:28:02.000
<v Speaker 2>might you know or the next pay per view, it's

523
00:28:02.000 --> 00:28:03.359
<v Speaker 2>going to say, hey, man, I'm going to have my

524
00:28:03.400 --> 00:28:07.559
<v Speaker 2>own pay per view party at my house. So you know,

525
00:28:07.759 --> 00:28:09.359
<v Speaker 2>if they don't see it, they don't know it, they

526
00:28:09.359 --> 00:28:12.319
<v Speaker 2>don't know the product. So there's the two arguments there.

527
00:28:12.400 --> 00:28:15.960
<v Speaker 2>I think that Vince wanting to cut out those satellites,

528
00:28:16.000 --> 00:28:19.640
<v Speaker 2>and this is my opinion back then, I was my

529
00:28:19.640 --> 00:28:22.400
<v Speaker 2>My feeling was, let get more and more people to

530
00:28:22.440 --> 00:28:25.200
<v Speaker 2>see it, and then they're going to want to pay

531
00:28:25.240 --> 00:28:26.799
<v Speaker 2>for it down the road. You know, it may not

532
00:28:26.839 --> 00:28:30.880
<v Speaker 2>be an immediate what you want, but you're going to

533
00:28:30.960 --> 00:28:32.920
<v Speaker 2>get more. You're going to have more people see it.

534
00:28:33.160 --> 00:28:35.759
<v Speaker 2>Somebody may be in that bar and didn't go there

535
00:28:35.759 --> 00:28:39.200
<v Speaker 2>to see Wrestledania, but they've got it on and you're

536
00:28:39.240 --> 00:28:41.960
<v Speaker 2>they're like, man, this is freaking awesome. Man, I'm going

537
00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:44.559
<v Speaker 2>to tell my friends how freaking awesome this is because

538
00:28:44.599 --> 00:28:47.559
<v Speaker 2>I just, you know, just caught it. So that was

539
00:28:47.599 --> 00:28:51.720
<v Speaker 2>my feeling. Get many people because we were still in

540
00:28:51.759 --> 00:28:55.119
<v Speaker 2>the infancy of it, so why not give it away?

541
00:28:55.160 --> 00:28:57.559
<v Speaker 2>That's that's kind of basic business of you know when

542
00:28:57.559 --> 00:28:59.200
<v Speaker 2>you want to sell a product, well give it to

543
00:28:59.240 --> 00:29:03.480
<v Speaker 2>them where it's that hard to reach in the pocket

544
00:29:03.519 --> 00:29:07.759
<v Speaker 2>for it. And so I was I didn't understand the

545
00:29:07.799 --> 00:29:10.799
<v Speaker 2>logic of you know, no, no, we got it already.

546
00:29:10.799 --> 00:29:14.519
<v Speaker 2>They're cutting it off. They're cutting off other people who

547
00:29:14.559 --> 00:29:16.519
<v Speaker 2>could see it, like get as many people as you

548
00:29:16.559 --> 00:29:20.960
<v Speaker 2>possibly can. Yes, Yes, it's like two different arguments for that.

549
00:29:21.200 --> 00:29:22.519
<v Speaker 2>I was on the other side of it.

550
00:29:23.359 --> 00:29:25.480
<v Speaker 1>You know, years ago, I lived in Florida, and so

551
00:29:25.559 --> 00:29:27.519
<v Speaker 1>I had to say, go, I didn't have pay per

552
00:29:27.599 --> 00:29:29.880
<v Speaker 1>view in my college dorm, so I would go to

553
00:29:30.200 --> 00:29:33.759
<v Speaker 1>Hooters and I would pay like twenty bucks just to

554
00:29:33.759 --> 00:29:36.400
<v Speaker 1>get in to watch wrestling in twenty three, Like I

555
00:29:36.480 --> 00:29:38.839
<v Speaker 1>remember that exactly, because again, they had a contract. They

556
00:29:38.839 --> 00:29:40.839
<v Speaker 1>weren't just going to give this out. And so the

557
00:29:40.960 --> 00:29:44.359
<v Speaker 1>ww obviously has cracked down over the years, but at

558
00:29:44.440 --> 00:29:47.880
<v Speaker 1>least then they were Trump was like, hey man, let's

559
00:29:48.240 --> 00:29:50.599
<v Speaker 1>let's get everyone to see this, because they'll see your product,

560
00:29:50.640 --> 00:29:53.400
<v Speaker 1>they'll see my product. We're all making more money because

561
00:29:53.400 --> 00:29:56.000
<v Speaker 1>more eyeballs on the product. So but you know, at

562
00:29:56.039 --> 00:30:01.440
<v Speaker 1>one point seven million dollars at the gate beating Slomania three.

563
00:30:01.759 --> 00:30:03.680
<v Speaker 1>And I love the aesthetics of this event too, because

564
00:30:03.680 --> 00:30:06.359
<v Speaker 1>you have these weird, like not Christmas lights, but there

565
00:30:06.359 --> 00:30:10.000
<v Speaker 1>are these weird, droopy lights that hang everywhere in the

566
00:30:10.039 --> 00:30:12.400
<v Speaker 1>arena and you don't really see that very often. I

567
00:30:12.519 --> 00:30:16.559
<v Speaker 1>just thought it's a it's a weird look. And the security.

568
00:30:16.759 --> 00:30:19.599
<v Speaker 1>Here's a big question for you, is I personally feel

569
00:30:19.640 --> 00:30:22.240
<v Speaker 1>like when you have an entrance ramp that's like this small,

570
00:30:22.599 --> 00:30:24.119
<v Speaker 1>the wrestler has to be in the middle and you

571
00:30:24.119 --> 00:30:27.759
<v Speaker 1>have security all around them, it ruins I don't know

572
00:30:27.799 --> 00:30:29.880
<v Speaker 1>the feeling of watching it because you're just seeing all

573
00:30:29.920 --> 00:30:32.920
<v Speaker 1>these yellow shirts cover your wrestlers because fans are too

574
00:30:32.920 --> 00:30:35.480
<v Speaker 1>close and they can grab you. Dude, do you think

575
00:30:35.599 --> 00:30:38.599
<v Speaker 1>wrestlers enjoy I don't think being grabbed at, but they

576
00:30:38.759 --> 00:30:41.799
<v Speaker 1>like the atmosphere of being closer or further away from fans.

577
00:30:44.079 --> 00:30:48.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's a there's a thought on that too. It

578
00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:51.480
<v Speaker 2>was and I know that I you know, looking at

579
00:30:51.519 --> 00:30:53.599
<v Speaker 2>the wide shots of the arena and it just it

580
00:30:54.079 --> 00:30:56.720
<v Speaker 2>looks small, and I think, yeah, because we've kind of

581
00:30:56.759 --> 00:30:59.599
<v Speaker 2>gotten used to seeing these giant arena almost state you know,

582
00:30:59.640 --> 00:31:05.039
<v Speaker 2>stadium like events, and so it seemed, you know, kind

583
00:31:05.039 --> 00:31:10.160
<v Speaker 2>of like a small TV taping in some sense. But

584
00:31:10.240 --> 00:31:12.640
<v Speaker 2>at the same time, when you've got that many people

585
00:31:12.680 --> 00:31:16.119
<v Speaker 2>in a small area and they're just jammed and packed,

586
00:31:16.799 --> 00:31:20.480
<v Speaker 2>it does create that feeling of, you know, everybody wants

587
00:31:20.519 --> 00:31:24.960
<v Speaker 2>to see this. As far as the security goes, I

588
00:31:25.240 --> 00:31:27.640
<v Speaker 2>liked that as far as because I think it kind

589
00:31:27.640 --> 00:31:31.519
<v Speaker 2>of created like boxing, you know, when the heavyweights come

590
00:31:31.759 --> 00:31:33.960
<v Speaker 2>out and then he's got the security team and people

591
00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:35.799
<v Speaker 2>are on tom and it just shows, you know, like

592
00:31:35.839 --> 00:31:38.000
<v Speaker 2>how big of an event this is. And I think

593
00:31:38.039 --> 00:31:40.359
<v Speaker 2>that that had something to do with it too, the

594
00:31:40.400 --> 00:31:44.039
<v Speaker 2>fact that Vince, you know, wanted a ton of security guys,

595
00:31:44.079 --> 00:31:45.920
<v Speaker 2>and it really was it seemed like they just lined

596
00:31:45.920 --> 00:31:48.359
<v Speaker 2>the whole way right and they're going along with you know,

597
00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:53.640
<v Speaker 2>macho man when he comes in, and so I like that.

598
00:31:53.720 --> 00:31:56.799
<v Speaker 2>I think it really kind of created this this excitement

599
00:31:56.839 --> 00:31:59.039
<v Speaker 2>of a big fight, and I know that that's what

600
00:31:59.079 --> 00:32:02.279
<v Speaker 2>they wanted to do there. And uh, you know, Trump

601
00:32:02.279 --> 00:32:05.799
<v Speaker 2>had posted many events like that, so I think that

602
00:32:06.400 --> 00:32:09.359
<v Speaker 2>some of that advice came from him, uh you know,

603
00:32:09.480 --> 00:32:12.839
<v Speaker 2>telling this because I'm sure that that was a discussion of.

604
00:32:12.839 --> 00:32:17.200
<v Speaker 3>Saying, you know, the damn railings, that's how close you know,

605
00:32:17.480 --> 00:32:19.119
<v Speaker 3>maybe they said, you know, you know what, that's not

606
00:32:19.240 --> 00:32:21.559
<v Speaker 3>such a bad thing because like it's like people they

607
00:32:21.799 --> 00:32:24.240
<v Speaker 3>want to get them, you know, they they want to

608
00:32:24.240 --> 00:32:26.279
<v Speaker 3>tear them apart, or they want to you know, they

609
00:32:26.279 --> 00:32:27.880
<v Speaker 3>want to pat him on the back.

610
00:32:28.680 --> 00:32:31.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So I think that that. I liked that part

611
00:32:31.480 --> 00:32:33.359
<v Speaker 2>and I really did it created kind of this big

612
00:32:33.400 --> 00:32:39.480
<v Speaker 2>fight feel. What was really interesting too, though, is why

613
00:32:39.480 --> 00:32:41.839
<v Speaker 2>did Randy go to the ring first and then we're

614
00:32:41.839 --> 00:32:45.039
<v Speaker 2>going to get into that main event? But uh, you know, Randy,

615
00:32:45.160 --> 00:32:50.039
<v Speaker 2>it was the champion. In most big fights, you get

616
00:32:50.079 --> 00:32:53.160
<v Speaker 2>the chader in there and then you have the champion

617
00:32:53.200 --> 00:33:00.039
<v Speaker 2>come in, but the haulkster and to the entrance. So

618
00:33:00.160 --> 00:33:03.400
<v Speaker 2>it didn't foretell what was the head. I don't know,

619
00:33:03.480 --> 00:33:09.720
<v Speaker 2>but I I just think that, uh, when you're doing

620
00:33:09.720 --> 00:33:11.880
<v Speaker 2>stuff like that, stick to the stick to the bank,

621
00:33:11.960 --> 00:33:14.279
<v Speaker 2>you like, do it. There's going to be a big fight.

622
00:33:14.400 --> 00:33:16.599
<v Speaker 2>Make it that big fight, make it that do it

623
00:33:16.640 --> 00:33:20.200
<v Speaker 2>the right way. So interesting. I love that, you know,

624
00:33:20.519 --> 00:33:22.319
<v Speaker 2>you love that when you love that idea that bulks

625
00:33:22.359 --> 00:33:25.480
<v Speaker 2>of there. He's you know, waiting and waiting for the mato.

626
00:33:25.799 --> 00:33:27.480
<v Speaker 2>He's like like the challenger.

627
00:33:27.799 --> 00:33:30.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah he's here, is the challenger? Yeah yeah, right, you

628
00:33:30.640 --> 00:33:32.559
<v Speaker 1>should wait on him.

629
00:33:32.599 --> 00:33:36.200
<v Speaker 2>But I diagre. We'll get into that, yes, But as

630
00:33:36.200 --> 00:33:39.440
<v Speaker 2>far as the whole security team thing, I I was

631
00:33:39.480 --> 00:33:41.119
<v Speaker 2>a big fan of it. I thought that was great.

632
00:33:41.160 --> 00:33:43.680
<v Speaker 2>It created that that big you know, that big fight

633
00:33:43.759 --> 00:33:44.359
<v Speaker 2>field for me.

634
00:33:45.160 --> 00:33:47.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, I I love it. And the opening of

635
00:33:47.119 --> 00:33:51.599
<v Speaker 1>this Restuman it comes with sexy saxophone music running and

636
00:33:51.599 --> 00:33:56.960
<v Speaker 1>then you see the megapowers explode, and again I love

637
00:33:57.079 --> 00:33:59.319
<v Speaker 1>I love it because so far all these restumans have

638
00:33:59.359 --> 00:34:01.960
<v Speaker 1>had themes to you know, bigger, bad or better. You know,

639
00:34:02.000 --> 00:34:05.000
<v Speaker 1>we have ultimate challenge later on stars and stripes, mega

640
00:34:05.039 --> 00:34:07.839
<v Speaker 1>powers explode. To me, it's like watching a movie. We

641
00:34:07.920 --> 00:34:09.880
<v Speaker 1>have a narrative, what are we here for? Are we here?

642
00:34:09.960 --> 00:34:12.599
<v Speaker 1>Immediately to know the mega powers are going to explode?

643
00:34:12.639 --> 00:34:14.800
<v Speaker 1>So I know I did like that part of it.

644
00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:18.239
<v Speaker 1>But the starting of this is rock and Robin, who

645
00:34:18.320 --> 00:34:22.119
<v Speaker 1>is the WWF Women's champion at the time, seeing the

646
00:34:22.239 --> 00:34:26.760
<v Speaker 1>national anthem. So she's a champion, but she does not

647
00:34:26.840 --> 00:34:29.800
<v Speaker 1>wrestle on the car. She sings because she's a rockin

648
00:34:30.400 --> 00:34:34.440
<v Speaker 1>and Jesse Ventra berries her singing immediately and says, she

649
00:34:34.440 --> 00:34:36.159
<v Speaker 1>bet us stick to her day job.

650
00:34:38.039 --> 00:34:43.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what argue with them on that one? No?

651
00:34:43.719 --> 00:34:46.679
<v Speaker 1>But Jesse and throw up the commentary is hilarious, you know, and.

652
00:34:46.639 --> 00:34:49.000
<v Speaker 2>I have to say, yeah, yes, and I think you know,

653
00:34:49.039 --> 00:34:52.760
<v Speaker 2>gene oakerland version was better. He and he'd say that

654
00:34:53.039 --> 00:34:58.159
<v Speaker 2>trips me, but that's another story because you know he

655
00:34:58.320 --> 00:35:03.079
<v Speaker 2>was he was a lound singer at an album. We

656
00:35:03.079 --> 00:35:05.119
<v Speaker 2>we we do the gen what we do with the

657
00:35:05.159 --> 00:35:12.280
<v Speaker 2>Gama off to play? Yes? Uh anyway, Uh yeah, you

658
00:35:12.280 --> 00:35:14.920
<v Speaker 2>think they could mean they should like to have her

659
00:35:14.960 --> 00:35:17.079
<v Speaker 2>do a dark match, you know, I think it was

660
00:35:17.119 --> 00:35:21.559
<v Speaker 2>a big diss. But of course back then female wrestling

661
00:35:21.719 --> 00:35:26.159
<v Speaker 2>was not you know what it is today by any stretch.

662
00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:28.760
<v Speaker 2>And but I did think I was like, am I

663
00:35:28.880 --> 00:35:31.599
<v Speaker 2>just she's a champion? Really? I mean, we went that

664
00:35:31.639 --> 00:35:34.719
<v Speaker 2>far to have a champion? Well, let her have a match,

665
00:35:35.039 --> 00:35:37.840
<v Speaker 2>but no, just let her do the anthem. I hear

666
00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:38.800
<v Speaker 2>she sings.

667
00:35:40.000 --> 00:35:44.280
<v Speaker 1>And that's the shocking part too. Is supposed to it's

668
00:35:45.519 --> 00:35:48.760
<v Speaker 1>it's supposed to be about celebrities. We've had Bob Buker,

669
00:35:48.880 --> 00:35:52.960
<v Speaker 1>We've had so many different people of the years, Muhammad Ali, Lamarachi,

670
00:35:53.440 --> 00:35:56.719
<v Speaker 1>mister t. We couldn't get someone to sing in the beginning.

671
00:35:56.760 --> 00:35:59.199
<v Speaker 1>We got our own wrestler because we want to maybe

672
00:35:59.480 --> 00:36:04.159
<v Speaker 1>pay someone else. Well, we have rocking Robin. She's a rocker, right, well, no,

673
00:36:04.239 --> 00:36:07.519
<v Speaker 1>that's just her her gimmicks, sir, that's her gimmick. You know,

674
00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:09.760
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't send Jake to be a vet because he

675
00:36:09.800 --> 00:36:12.519
<v Speaker 1>has a snake with him. But that's uh, that's how

676
00:36:12.559 --> 00:36:14.400
<v Speaker 1>we start this event off. And you know some were

677
00:36:14.400 --> 00:36:18.000
<v Speaker 1>talking about music. What were you saying?

678
00:36:18.280 --> 00:36:22.239
<v Speaker 2>Frank was busy. Frank Sinactra was busy. That's the reason that.

679
00:36:24.159 --> 00:36:26.119
<v Speaker 1>He was busy. Still running that five K run.

680
00:36:26.440 --> 00:36:28.400
<v Speaker 2>I don't understand why.

681
00:36:30.639 --> 00:36:32.719
<v Speaker 1>Another Want Want Want moment.

682
00:36:32.639 --> 00:36:36.039
<v Speaker 2>Is mister I think, mister yeah, I think how great

683
00:36:36.039 --> 00:36:38.719
<v Speaker 2>would it have been if mister Pogi saying national anthem?

684
00:36:38.800 --> 00:36:45.719
<v Speaker 1>I mean, come on, it could have been better. Poor

685
00:36:45.880 --> 00:36:50.400
<v Speaker 1>rocking Robin still still alive, Still alive, Jake to snak

686
00:36:51.119 --> 00:36:56.280
<v Speaker 1>sister Sam Houston's sister. Yes she's still around. Though she's

687
00:36:56.280 --> 00:37:00.079
<v Speaker 1>still around. Another Want Want Want music moment is on

688
00:37:00.239 --> 00:37:05.639
<v Speaker 1>DMC coming out and seeing the WrestleMania rap. Bro I

689
00:37:05.679 --> 00:37:07.840
<v Speaker 1>just did a vincerousso but bro, I watched that last

690
00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:11.320
<v Speaker 1>night the first time forever. They should have not they

691
00:37:11.320 --> 00:37:14.159
<v Speaker 1>should delete that, they should have never re aired that.

692
00:37:14.199 --> 00:37:18.039
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, Like they've removed matches from Coliseum video releases.

693
00:37:18.320 --> 00:37:23.039
<v Speaker 1>This should be removed from the archive. That's my personal opinion.

694
00:37:23.119 --> 00:37:24.840
<v Speaker 1>And if you have them there, why don't you have

695
00:37:24.920 --> 00:37:26.800
<v Speaker 1>them wrap the national anthem or something?

696
00:37:29.880 --> 00:37:33.760
<v Speaker 2>Well, why not? You know, it was just just the

697
00:37:33.800 --> 00:37:37.079
<v Speaker 2>wrong crowd. I think. I don't think. I think, you

698
00:37:37.119 --> 00:37:42.760
<v Speaker 2>know hip indeed, Yeah, he was trying, you know, to

699
00:37:42.840 --> 00:37:46.920
<v Speaker 2>be with it and to let people know, yeah, we're

700
00:37:47.880 --> 00:37:50.760
<v Speaker 2>we're there, we're right when we know what's going on.

701
00:37:50.920 --> 00:37:55.119
<v Speaker 2>Were finger on the pulse? But yeah, I didn't did

702
00:37:55.159 --> 00:37:58.199
<v Speaker 2>not go over well, it was just say it's a

703
00:37:58.320 --> 00:38:01.119
<v Speaker 2>part of church. I think it kind of was just

704
00:38:01.159 --> 00:38:04.519
<v Speaker 2>like people were you know, it's weird because right and

705
00:38:04.599 --> 00:38:07.159
<v Speaker 2>listeners like was It wasn't booze or anything's just like

706
00:38:07.239 --> 00:38:09.320
<v Speaker 2>no reaction. It was just kind of people. We could

707
00:38:09.360 --> 00:38:13.599
<v Speaker 2>hear people talking and yeah it was I don't think

708
00:38:13.599 --> 00:38:14.920
<v Speaker 2>people were quite ready for that.

709
00:38:15.800 --> 00:38:19.559
<v Speaker 1>No. No. And also another want want want moment here

710
00:38:19.719 --> 00:38:22.760
<v Speaker 1>for me personally is brother love and personating Roddy Piper.

711
00:38:23.000 --> 00:38:28.840
<v Speaker 1>Morton Downey Junior appears and him and Piper talk forever

712
00:38:29.400 --> 00:38:32.559
<v Speaker 1>eventually at least to a fire extinguisher moment and ha

713
00:38:32.559 --> 00:38:36.320
<v Speaker 1>ha ha ha and Robert excuse me not Robert Downey junior.

714
00:38:36.559 --> 00:38:39.960
<v Speaker 1>Morton Downey Junior. He was, you know, the Jerry Springer

715
00:38:40.000 --> 00:38:41.960
<v Speaker 1>at the time, having a talk show where he would

716
00:38:41.960 --> 00:38:45.239
<v Speaker 1>say really crazy things. And that's why he's here because

717
00:38:45.280 --> 00:38:47.960
<v Speaker 1>he's saying crazy things. And they have WF has the

718
00:38:48.000 --> 00:38:50.639
<v Speaker 1>finger on the Pulse of America right now and he's

719
00:38:50.679 --> 00:38:52.800
<v Speaker 1>part of it. What do you think of that segment

720
00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:55.480
<v Speaker 1>because to me, it just felt like it went forever.

721
00:38:57.039 --> 00:39:03.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, way too long. And Roddy was not not

722
00:39:03.679 --> 00:39:06.119
<v Speaker 2>a fan guy. You know, when Roddy didn't like you

723
00:39:07.239 --> 00:39:10.119
<v Speaker 2>and he didn't like work Downey Junior. I think he

724
00:39:10.280 --> 00:39:14.159
<v Speaker 2>just thought he was, you know, a gripter and he

725
00:39:14.239 --> 00:39:16.320
<v Speaker 2>gave it to him pretty good man, especially with that,

726
00:39:17.320 --> 00:39:20.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, because Martin Downey Jr. The whole ship with

727
00:39:20.079 --> 00:39:22.320
<v Speaker 2>him was he was this chain smoker. He was always

728
00:39:22.360 --> 00:39:26.039
<v Speaker 2>had a cigarette in his mouth, and so the whole

729
00:39:26.039 --> 00:39:28.280
<v Speaker 2>thing was yeah, and I think he flicks the cigarette

730
00:39:28.320 --> 00:39:32.280
<v Speaker 2>or something into Roddy or and then Roddy pulls out

731
00:39:32.280 --> 00:39:36.960
<v Speaker 2>the fire extinguisher and uh, you know, you watch that thing.

732
00:39:37.039 --> 00:39:39.920
<v Speaker 2>He just really blasted him and then blasted him again

733
00:39:39.960 --> 00:39:46.079
<v Speaker 2>and like in his face and between the legs and uh, yeah, okay,

734
00:39:46.079 --> 00:39:47.599
<v Speaker 2>you want to do that and you, like you said,

735
00:39:47.639 --> 00:39:49.320
<v Speaker 2>it was kind of like this timely thing. He was,

736
00:39:50.280 --> 00:39:57.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, a big shock television guy. But come on,

737
00:39:57.559 --> 00:39:59.840
<v Speaker 2>like it didn't have to be what was it the

738
00:40:00.400 --> 00:40:01.440
<v Speaker 2>thirty five minutes long.

739
00:40:01.480 --> 00:40:04.719
<v Speaker 1>It's just I think you think I think you're right.

740
00:40:04.719 --> 00:40:05.800
<v Speaker 1>I think it was along in the main event.

741
00:40:06.639 --> 00:40:08.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think I think it was much, but it

742
00:40:08.880 --> 00:40:11.679
<v Speaker 2>seemed like it and it was just another one of

743
00:40:11.760 --> 00:40:15.760
<v Speaker 2>those thumb gimmick things. So yeah, okay, get out, get

744
00:40:15.880 --> 00:40:17.400
<v Speaker 2>out of the way. I always thought that stuff was

745
00:40:17.480 --> 00:40:22.480
<v Speaker 2>so stupid, but yeah, I just think this WrestleMania show

746
00:40:22.760 --> 00:40:25.199
<v Speaker 2>that we could get somebody like that to come in,

747
00:40:25.639 --> 00:40:28.239
<v Speaker 2>but it was Yeah, the star power was not right

748
00:40:28.320 --> 00:40:29.039
<v Speaker 2>for this one.

749
00:40:29.280 --> 00:40:32.199
<v Speaker 1>I'm just gonna say that. Yeah, I was gonna say

750
00:40:32.320 --> 00:40:36.039
<v Speaker 1>over the years, you've had so many people come in

751
00:40:36.079 --> 00:40:38.920
<v Speaker 1>as celebrities for these WrestleManias and they hit it right

752
00:40:38.920 --> 00:40:40.960
<v Speaker 1>out of the park. They were amazing. And then this

753
00:40:41.079 --> 00:40:44.199
<v Speaker 1>group of people I feel like they were you said,

754
00:40:44.519 --> 00:40:46.599
<v Speaker 1>finger on the pulse. All these people are Parker, Let's

755
00:40:46.599 --> 00:40:48.440
<v Speaker 1>bring them in. Yeah, but well they fit to what

756
00:40:48.480 --> 00:40:50.760
<v Speaker 1>we're doing. Do they know what we're doing? Oh no,

757
00:40:50.800 --> 00:40:52.320
<v Speaker 1>they don't care. They just want to get paid and

758
00:40:52.400 --> 00:40:55.760
<v Speaker 1>they're happy to come for money. Oh well, okay, then

759
00:40:55.840 --> 00:40:57.480
<v Speaker 1>maybe the kids will like it.

760
00:40:58.079 --> 00:41:01.400
<v Speaker 2>No, there's nothing more. And what the million dollar man

761
00:41:01.480 --> 00:41:05.519
<v Speaker 2>says that everybody has has his price, and as we

762
00:41:05.719 --> 00:41:07.760
<v Speaker 2>that was proven. It has been proven time and time

763
00:41:07.800 --> 00:41:11.199
<v Speaker 2>again with the w w E that yeah, everybody does

764
00:41:11.480 --> 00:41:15.960
<v Speaker 2>their price. Yes quick, this is true, and you are

765
00:41:15.960 --> 00:41:20.320
<v Speaker 2>you crazy? I would never do how much? Oh when when?

766
00:41:20.960 --> 00:41:22.119
<v Speaker 2>Let me get that on the calendar.

767
00:41:23.920 --> 00:41:25.360
<v Speaker 1>Check but check clear.

768
00:41:27.119 --> 00:41:30.599
<v Speaker 2>How dare you ask me to do such a how

769
00:41:30.679 --> 00:41:31.719
<v Speaker 2>much money? Yeah?

770
00:41:31.800 --> 00:41:37.239
<v Speaker 1>You want to flick cigarettes at Roddy Piper, I'll be there.

771
00:41:38.880 --> 00:41:39.679
<v Speaker 2>Everybody.

772
00:41:40.519 --> 00:41:42.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, this is very true. And you know the

773
00:41:42.719 --> 00:41:45.960
<v Speaker 1>first matchup Hercules was King Haku. Really nothing there, just

774
00:41:46.000 --> 00:41:48.559
<v Speaker 1>a hoss fight. We get to the Twin Towers versus

775
00:41:48.559 --> 00:41:51.440
<v Speaker 1>the Rockers, and I actually really love this match because

776
00:41:51.760 --> 00:41:54.239
<v Speaker 1>this is the way that each team looked. You have

777
00:41:54.239 --> 00:41:58.400
<v Speaker 1>the high flyers, your powerhouses. According to rumors, Shawn Michaels

778
00:41:58.400 --> 00:42:01.000
<v Speaker 1>was up till four in the morning the night before,

779
00:42:01.519 --> 00:42:05.679
<v Speaker 1>drinking supt a few hours, use energy pills in coffee,

780
00:42:05.760 --> 00:42:10.360
<v Speaker 1>and probably something else to perform in the ring. You

781
00:42:10.400 --> 00:42:13.280
<v Speaker 1>know how common or is it for wrestlers to just

782
00:42:13.320 --> 00:42:15.679
<v Speaker 1>stay up all night drinking, partying and then go out

783
00:42:15.719 --> 00:42:16.519
<v Speaker 1>and have a great match.

784
00:42:16.960 --> 00:42:20.920
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, it was pretty damn common, especially back then.

785
00:42:21.719 --> 00:42:25.719
<v Speaker 2>And we know we've talked about the Rockers before, and yeah,

786
00:42:26.079 --> 00:42:29.960
<v Speaker 2>at that point in time, they were just they were

787
00:42:30.559 --> 00:42:34.559
<v Speaker 2>brilliant in the ring and they didn't miss a party.

788
00:42:35.280 --> 00:42:40.119
<v Speaker 2>They would, you know, hard driving night after night after night.

789
00:42:41.280 --> 00:42:44.840
<v Speaker 2>And I've said also before that I can't even begin

790
00:42:44.960 --> 00:42:47.960
<v Speaker 2>to tell you many times I was just amazed. And

791
00:42:48.400 --> 00:42:53.039
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't at every TV taping or anything like that,

792
00:42:53.079 --> 00:42:55.159
<v Speaker 2>but you could see. You would see these guys come

793
00:42:55.199 --> 00:42:59.440
<v Speaker 2>in and Sean would have the sunglasses inside, you know,

794
00:42:59.480 --> 00:43:04.199
<v Speaker 2>and just you could just tell, I mean, he was

795
00:43:04.280 --> 00:43:08.800
<v Speaker 2>dragged and a lot of these guys, but I was

796
00:43:08.880 --> 00:43:13.039
<v Speaker 2>always just amazed that you know that they found a

797
00:43:13.039 --> 00:43:17.239
<v Speaker 2>way too. You know, they go out there and still

798
00:43:17.239 --> 00:43:19.480
<v Speaker 2>have these brilliant matches. You know they might come back

799
00:43:19.480 --> 00:43:22.159
<v Speaker 2>and collapse, but when they were in that ring, they

800
00:43:22.239 --> 00:43:26.840
<v Speaker 2>knew what their job was. You know. You often think

801
00:43:26.880 --> 00:43:30.239
<v Speaker 2>about with some of these people, and fortunately for Sewan,

802
00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:34.559
<v Speaker 2>he survived it all and it's healthy today. But you

803
00:43:35.000 --> 00:43:38.039
<v Speaker 2>have to think back of, well, what if you would

804
00:43:38.119 --> 00:43:42.159
<v Speaker 2>have just taken care of yourself a little more, you know,

805
00:43:42.320 --> 00:43:45.840
<v Speaker 2>without those nights and the drugs you put into your body.

806
00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:51.159
<v Speaker 2>And but maybe on the other hand of it, that's

807
00:43:51.280 --> 00:43:53.840
<v Speaker 2>what made them survive. That's how they got through it.

808
00:43:55.360 --> 00:43:59.000
<v Speaker 2>You know, you kind of have you self medicate to

809
00:43:59.000 --> 00:44:02.519
<v Speaker 2>to be able to do what you were doing, getting

810
00:44:02.519 --> 00:44:06.280
<v Speaker 2>on planes every day and finding gyms and you know,

811
00:44:06.360 --> 00:44:09.320
<v Speaker 2>getting something to eat and then doing getting the hell

812
00:44:09.400 --> 00:44:11.360
<v Speaker 2>beat out of you, and then trying to find a

813
00:44:11.360 --> 00:44:13.440
<v Speaker 2>way to get to sleep. You go and drink, and

814
00:44:13.480 --> 00:44:15.079
<v Speaker 2>then you have to have something that's going to help

815
00:44:15.119 --> 00:44:16.800
<v Speaker 2>you sleep too. Then they have got to get something

816
00:44:16.840 --> 00:44:20.599
<v Speaker 2>to get you up. And so we can, you know,

817
00:44:20.920 --> 00:44:23.239
<v Speaker 2>talk about it all day. We weren't there, We didn't

818
00:44:23.239 --> 00:44:27.000
<v Speaker 2>live that life. And and they all found a way

819
00:44:27.039 --> 00:44:32.639
<v Speaker 2>to do it. Some had more discipline, some recognized early

820
00:44:32.920 --> 00:44:35.920
<v Speaker 2>what it would do to their bodies and stayed away

821
00:44:35.960 --> 00:44:39.440
<v Speaker 2>from it, but many, many succumbed. And that is why

822
00:44:39.519 --> 00:44:45.119
<v Speaker 2>the list of deceased wrestlers is so damn long. There

823
00:44:45.199 --> 00:44:49.400
<v Speaker 2>was a big price to pay, so you know, yeah,

824
00:44:48.400 --> 00:44:51.960
<v Speaker 2>the rumors of that I think were very true. I

825
00:44:52.000 --> 00:44:55.000
<v Speaker 2>remember seeing Kim that day and it was just like

826
00:44:55.039 --> 00:44:57.320
<v Speaker 2>another one of those like, oh boy, And I always

827
00:44:57.320 --> 00:44:59.519
<v Speaker 2>thought when it was like, come on, this is this

828
00:44:59.599 --> 00:45:01.519
<v Speaker 2>is the big this event of the year. You can't

829
00:45:01.679 --> 00:45:06.480
<v Speaker 2>go to bed before midnight. Maybe right, that's you know,

830
00:45:06.760 --> 00:45:08.920
<v Speaker 2>that's how they did it. And like I said, they

831
00:45:08.960 --> 00:45:11.880
<v Speaker 2>go on the ring and they have these tremendous matches.

832
00:45:12.480 --> 00:45:18.199
<v Speaker 2>And this was one of the veterans. As we've discussed

833
00:45:18.239 --> 00:45:22.639
<v Speaker 2>the Rockers, they are one of the tag teams, and

834
00:45:22.679 --> 00:45:27.800
<v Speaker 2>there are a few others that showed how well these

835
00:45:27.800 --> 00:45:32.920
<v Speaker 2>streamlined tag teams that were built for speed and fantastic

836
00:45:33.000 --> 00:45:36.440
<v Speaker 2>moves and high flying could actually step into a ring

837
00:45:36.519 --> 00:45:42.440
<v Speaker 2>with two lumbering giants and have a really entertaining match. Uh.

838
00:45:43.039 --> 00:45:45.920
<v Speaker 2>You know, sometimes you get tired of seeing when if

839
00:45:45.960 --> 00:45:48.880
<v Speaker 2>you see two of these high flying kind of tag

840
00:45:48.920 --> 00:45:50.639
<v Speaker 2>teams that go at it and it's like flip flip

841
00:45:50.639 --> 00:45:55.119
<v Speaker 2>boom boom bama, hey flip blip blip, Like all right, yeah,

842
00:45:55.119 --> 00:45:57.760
<v Speaker 2>I got it. But when you see like these guys

843
00:45:57.760 --> 00:46:00.519
<v Speaker 2>get to match up, how there's no way to inspied.

844
00:46:00.559 --> 00:46:02.159
<v Speaker 2>One of those guys gets a hold of him, he's

845
00:46:02.159 --> 00:46:05.159
<v Speaker 2>gonna crush him like a grape. And you would see

846
00:46:05.199 --> 00:46:07.760
<v Speaker 2>these things where they get him and they'd slip out,

847
00:46:08.039 --> 00:46:10.960
<v Speaker 2>or they do this, or a movement. You're like, oh, wow,

848
00:46:11.199 --> 00:46:15.880
<v Speaker 2>that was awesome. So that you know, those matches became

849
00:46:16.079 --> 00:46:19.360
<v Speaker 2>very very popular just for that reason, because you'd see that,

850
00:46:19.840 --> 00:46:24.159
<v Speaker 2>you know, that's not supposed to work in human science.

851
00:46:24.320 --> 00:46:27.519
<v Speaker 2>When the big giant guy gets a hold of a

852
00:46:27.519 --> 00:46:30.960
<v Speaker 2>little guy, guy's got no shot. He's gonna get him done.

853
00:46:31.800 --> 00:46:34.960
<v Speaker 2>Now that that certainly wasn't the case with these guys,

854
00:46:35.000 --> 00:46:36.679
<v Speaker 2>you know, even though they ended up on the losing

855
00:46:36.800 --> 00:46:39.800
<v Speaker 2>end of this one. But you know, you got to

856
00:46:39.800 --> 00:46:41.840
<v Speaker 2>watch out for that Air Africa. I think it was

857
00:46:41.960 --> 00:46:46.320
<v Speaker 2>that moves that wrapped it up. Yeah, but it's gone

858
00:46:46.320 --> 00:46:50.320
<v Speaker 2>down in history. Yes, you see it quite often. But

859
00:46:50.559 --> 00:46:54.199
<v Speaker 2>the the that that's why I love those matches. And

860
00:46:54.440 --> 00:46:58.639
<v Speaker 2>they were, as I said, one of those tag teams

861
00:46:58.679 --> 00:47:01.280
<v Speaker 2>that put them in the ring with anybody and they're

862
00:47:01.320 --> 00:47:04.840
<v Speaker 2>going to make it entertain Yeah.

863
00:47:04.960 --> 00:47:06.920
<v Speaker 1>In the Twin Towers too. They for the past six

864
00:47:07.039 --> 00:47:09.199
<v Speaker 1>months have been beating down Hulk Cogan and the macho

865
00:47:09.239 --> 00:47:12.000
<v Speaker 1>man Rainey Savage. So and now getting a high profile

866
00:47:12.079 --> 00:47:14.840
<v Speaker 1>match at Russmini against the Rockers shows me like, oh,

867
00:47:14.920 --> 00:47:18.280
<v Speaker 1>the WWF really shows that they care about the Rockers,

868
00:47:18.280 --> 00:47:20.679
<v Speaker 1>but they also care about the Twin Towers because without them,

869
00:47:20.760 --> 00:47:23.599
<v Speaker 1>as I said before many podcasts. Without them, you wouldn't

870
00:47:23.639 --> 00:47:26.360
<v Speaker 1>have this built up friction between Savage and Hogan because

871
00:47:26.360 --> 00:47:29.840
<v Speaker 1>you needed two wrestlers to be able to be equal

872
00:47:30.400 --> 00:47:32.920
<v Speaker 1>to Hogan and Savage to make it seem like they

873
00:47:32.960 --> 00:47:35.880
<v Speaker 1>were ever in peril. So I always enjoy the Twin Towers,

874
00:47:35.920 --> 00:47:38.639
<v Speaker 1>and you know, this is the down swell of them,

875
00:47:38.679 --> 00:47:41.880
<v Speaker 1>but still they had an amazing past six months, so

876
00:47:41.960 --> 00:47:42.679
<v Speaker 1>you know, good for them.

877
00:47:42.719 --> 00:47:45.280
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, but you think about it too. And I

878
00:47:45.360 --> 00:47:49.159
<v Speaker 2>mentioned how agile the Rockers were and everything, but you

879
00:47:49.239 --> 00:47:53.519
<v Speaker 2>got to give credit to the Twin Towers huge. You know,

880
00:47:53.599 --> 00:47:56.000
<v Speaker 2>boss Man and I came those two guys. Man, they

881
00:47:56.039 --> 00:48:00.960
<v Speaker 2>could move for these giant guys and and you know,

882
00:48:01.119 --> 00:48:03.880
<v Speaker 2>even you know a team, I don't think he gets

883
00:48:03.920 --> 00:48:07.480
<v Speaker 2>credit for what he could do in there. Boss Man

884
00:48:07.599 --> 00:48:11.480
<v Speaker 2>was really good. And uh so you've got to have

885
00:48:11.559 --> 00:48:13.800
<v Speaker 2>as you just said, you've got to have two other

886
00:48:13.840 --> 00:48:15.320
<v Speaker 2>guys that can do it. But they've got to be

887
00:48:15.400 --> 00:48:17.400
<v Speaker 2>able to have that talent to do it. You can't

888
00:48:17.519 --> 00:48:21.880
<v Speaker 2>just have you know, like Warlord Warlord and Barbarian that

889
00:48:22.960 --> 00:48:26.360
<v Speaker 2>basically we're just going to be brutes. Uh. You know,

890
00:48:26.400 --> 00:48:28.880
<v Speaker 2>these guys could move around they could do stuff. Like

891
00:48:28.920 --> 00:48:32.480
<v Speaker 2>I said before that you know Bubba could, he could

892
00:48:32.480 --> 00:48:37.280
<v Speaker 2>do the splits. That guy was so freaking flexible. So yeah,

893
00:48:37.280 --> 00:48:39.280
<v Speaker 2>you've got to have that talent to match it, and

894
00:48:39.320 --> 00:48:39.719
<v Speaker 2>they did.

895
00:48:40.840 --> 00:48:42.719
<v Speaker 1>I love boss Man, so I'll always say, you know,

896
00:48:42.719 --> 00:48:45.119
<v Speaker 1>I'll always give credit when you big boss Man deserves

897
00:48:45.199 --> 00:48:47.440
<v Speaker 1>all the credit in the world. But Ted Debiassi versus

898
00:48:47.480 --> 00:48:50.599
<v Speaker 1>Bruce Beefcakes up next next. The Million Dollar Championship is

899
00:48:50.639 --> 00:48:52.639
<v Speaker 1>not on the line as it would be years later

900
00:48:52.760 --> 00:48:55.280
<v Speaker 1>with Virgil and say Ted fighting each other. But I

901
00:48:55.320 --> 00:48:57.519
<v Speaker 1>do like the nod of million Dollar Man walking up

902
00:48:57.519 --> 00:49:00.400
<v Speaker 1>to Donald Trump and shaking his hand and both like, yeah,

903
00:49:00.400 --> 00:49:01.920
<v Speaker 1>it's good to see you again. Oh yeah, it's very

904
00:49:01.920 --> 00:49:03.719
<v Speaker 1>good to see you as well. Like I just like

905
00:49:03.800 --> 00:49:07.239
<v Speaker 1>that little added element of what's going on here. People

906
00:49:07.280 --> 00:49:09.320
<v Speaker 1>say it's a controversial finish because it's a double count

907
00:49:09.320 --> 00:49:11.880
<v Speaker 1>out finish, and you're here at WrestleMania you kind of

908
00:49:11.920 --> 00:49:15.360
<v Speaker 1>want I don't know, you're paying money. You want to

909
00:49:15.360 --> 00:49:18.360
<v Speaker 1>see an actual finish to certain matches, and you know,

910
00:49:18.440 --> 00:49:20.800
<v Speaker 1>you decide what you want. But it's interesting that Beefcake

911
00:49:20.920 --> 00:49:26.559
<v Speaker 1>now sliding into fighting Tdbase fighting Andre because he's Hogan's friend,

912
00:49:27.079 --> 00:49:30.079
<v Speaker 1>is that. How do you think other wrestlers are feeling

913
00:49:30.079 --> 00:49:33.039
<v Speaker 1>about this now where you're seeing Beefcake is getting more

914
00:49:33.599 --> 00:49:37.480
<v Speaker 1>than he was before, now that Cogan has more power

915
00:49:37.480 --> 00:49:38.440
<v Speaker 1>than he ever had before.

916
00:49:39.039 --> 00:49:41.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yes, I'm sure there was a lot of that,

917
00:49:42.360 --> 00:49:47.000
<v Speaker 2>and that was something that Brutus endured his entire career

918
00:49:47.039 --> 00:49:52.280
<v Speaker 2>there that wasn't going to be avoided. There was no

919
00:49:52.280 --> 00:49:55.440
<v Speaker 2>no doubt about it that he did get favor because

920
00:49:55.800 --> 00:49:59.960
<v Speaker 2>he was his close association with his pal the whole

921
00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:04.920
<v Speaker 2>stert and he embraced it. Why not. You know that

922
00:50:05.079 --> 00:50:13.400
<v Speaker 2>there's opportunities. But but also you know, Brutus was he

923
00:50:13.480 --> 00:50:16.440
<v Speaker 2>was a good He was a good wrestler. I mean

924
00:50:16.480 --> 00:50:20.159
<v Speaker 2>he was. He wasn't like some you know, lumbering idiot

925
00:50:20.159 --> 00:50:22.400
<v Speaker 2>in there. I mean he had came up at the

926
00:50:22.440 --> 00:50:27.320
<v Speaker 2>same time Harry did, and and worked his ass off,

927
00:50:27.360 --> 00:50:30.599
<v Speaker 2>and he had some really good matches that he did it,

928
00:50:30.920 --> 00:50:34.800
<v Speaker 2>paid his dues and went to Japan and did the

929
00:50:34.800 --> 00:50:40.679
<v Speaker 2>whole thing and wrestled independently, and he could get it

930
00:50:40.719 --> 00:50:45.280
<v Speaker 2>done in the ring. But there's no question that there

931
00:50:45.280 --> 00:50:47.920
<v Speaker 2>were many many others that were certainly on his level

932
00:50:49.440 --> 00:50:53.880
<v Speaker 2>that could have done the same. You know, taken advantage

933
00:50:53.880 --> 00:50:56.440
<v Speaker 2>of the same opportunities that that Brutus got. They just

934
00:50:56.480 --> 00:50:58.320
<v Speaker 2>didn't have to be best friends with Paul Kogan.

935
00:50:59.239 --> 00:51:02.440
<v Speaker 1>Of course, I'm next to the Bushwalkers Reversus Fabulus Rouge shows.

936
00:51:02.719 --> 00:51:06.159
<v Speaker 1>People have voted this the worst match in WrestleMania. I

937
00:51:06.199 --> 00:51:08.920
<v Speaker 1>don't know why if people hate the Bushwhackers so much.

938
00:51:08.960 --> 00:51:13.639
<v Speaker 1>I like watching people being licked head butts. But you know,

939
00:51:13.920 --> 00:51:15.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't have a problem. What's wrong with that? What's

940
00:51:15.760 --> 00:51:19.760
<v Speaker 1>wrong with Bushwhacker matches? You know, exactly, come on down,

941
00:51:20.039 --> 00:51:22.480
<v Speaker 1>bite my ass, punch me in the face, gave me

942
00:51:22.519 --> 00:51:25.159
<v Speaker 1>a head butt like semi Hille happy. You know, why

943
00:51:25.199 --> 00:51:27.519
<v Speaker 1>do you think people get so angry at the Bushwhackers

944
00:51:27.559 --> 00:51:29.960
<v Speaker 1>in their matches? It doesn't make any sense.

945
00:51:33.119 --> 00:51:35.719
<v Speaker 2>Well, because it was so comical. You know, it was

946
00:51:35.800 --> 00:51:39.519
<v Speaker 2>comic relief really that, you know, like they had the

947
00:51:40.599 --> 00:51:46.039
<v Speaker 2>battering ram that they would do. Yeah, it was just

948
00:51:46.199 --> 00:51:50.760
<v Speaker 2>it was comic relief for those matches. It wasn't you

949
00:51:50.760 --> 00:51:53.960
<v Speaker 2>weren't going to see tacticians in there. It was going

950
00:51:54.039 --> 00:51:57.039
<v Speaker 2>to be goof fall stuff going on, you know, kind

951
00:51:57.039 --> 00:52:00.440
<v Speaker 2>of three stooges kind of thing. You know, got that

952
00:52:00.440 --> 00:52:03.320
<v Speaker 2>feeling from it but the crowd, you know, the crowd

953
00:52:03.360 --> 00:52:07.239
<v Speaker 2>loved them, and that was mostly I think for you know,

954
00:52:07.280 --> 00:52:11.760
<v Speaker 2>the kids. The kids love them, and it is it's

955
00:52:11.760 --> 00:52:14.239
<v Speaker 2>funny to think about if you knew the history of

956
00:52:14.280 --> 00:52:17.159
<v Speaker 2>the Bushwhackers, and they were the sheep herders, and they

957
00:52:17.159 --> 00:52:20.360
<v Speaker 2>were these two badass heels. I mean they they were

958
00:52:20.480 --> 00:52:24.960
<v Speaker 2>just nasty and uh and and people have often asked them,

959
00:52:24.960 --> 00:52:27.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, like, well, boy, did you when you came

960
00:52:27.559 --> 00:52:30.039
<v Speaker 2>to the WWF. I mean, god, was it an hopful

961
00:52:30.119 --> 00:52:33.280
<v Speaker 2>that you know, Vince McMahon turns you into this laughing

962
00:52:33.400 --> 00:52:38.199
<v Speaker 2>stock tag team and like yet up, no, why mate?

963
00:52:38.559 --> 00:52:41.079
<v Speaker 2>You know, like you caton, it was the greatest thing

964
00:52:41.119 --> 00:52:43.559
<v Speaker 2>you ever happened to us. I mean it really was

965
00:52:43.840 --> 00:52:48.599
<v Speaker 2>that they forever. We've lost one of them, but you

966
00:52:48.639 --> 00:52:54.719
<v Speaker 2>know there's still remembered. As you know, they could do

967
00:52:54.760 --> 00:52:58.000
<v Speaker 2>appearances forever, and their merchandise they made I'm sure they

968
00:52:58.000 --> 00:53:00.800
<v Speaker 2>made a ton of money off their merchant. So to them,

969
00:53:00.800 --> 00:53:02.719
<v Speaker 2>it was the greatest thing that ever happened. And it

970
00:53:02.760 --> 00:53:05.519
<v Speaker 2>was easy work. They ever had to have these big,

971
00:53:05.599 --> 00:53:10.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, intense steel cage matches, barbed wire, you know, whatever.

972
00:53:11.000 --> 00:53:15.159
<v Speaker 2>They they didn't have to do that anymore. So I

973
00:53:15.199 --> 00:53:17.960
<v Speaker 2>think that, you know, the other the price for it,

974
00:53:18.559 --> 00:53:22.360
<v Speaker 2>and they loved it, and they liked being adorned by

975
00:53:22.400 --> 00:53:28.199
<v Speaker 2>fans and celebrated. So but yeah, it was it was

976
00:53:28.320 --> 00:53:31.760
<v Speaker 2>always a gimmick match. It was just comic relief to

977
00:53:31.800 --> 00:53:34.480
<v Speaker 2>give the crowd a break and bring them out and

978
00:53:34.679 --> 00:53:35.360
<v Speaker 2>have some fun.

979
00:53:36.360 --> 00:53:39.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, fans, come on, people, come on. I don't understand

980
00:53:39.280 --> 00:53:41.800
<v Speaker 1>the hate towards but they do rest like five times

981
00:53:41.840 --> 00:53:44.360
<v Speaker 1>I think in the like three years. So that's a

982
00:53:44.360 --> 00:53:46.559
<v Speaker 1>lot on pay per review when you only have four

983
00:53:46.719 --> 00:53:50.079
<v Speaker 1>sometimes three. So I get I get the anger towards that.

984
00:53:50.199 --> 00:53:54.360
<v Speaker 1>But also, guys, it's okay, it's okay, it's it's bushwhackers.

985
00:53:54.400 --> 00:53:55.440
<v Speaker 1>We're not looking for no.

986
00:53:55.679 --> 00:54:00.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean yeah, And you say yeah, but you say

987
00:54:00.079 --> 00:54:01.719
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of there was some heat on a

988
00:54:01.719 --> 00:54:03.840
<v Speaker 2>lot of heat on them. Yeah, yeah, there was. But

989
00:54:04.199 --> 00:54:08.119
<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you that the majority loved the Bushwackers. There

990
00:54:08.199 --> 00:54:10.639
<v Speaker 2>was you know that the crowd would pop every time

991
00:54:10.679 --> 00:54:13.119
<v Speaker 2>they came out. So yeah, I'm sure there were some

992
00:54:13.199 --> 00:54:16.199
<v Speaker 2>purists and haters out there, but you know, come on,

993
00:54:16.519 --> 00:54:21.000
<v Speaker 2>they knew what they were doing. They embraced it, and

994
00:54:21.840 --> 00:54:23.039
<v Speaker 2>the fans loved it.

995
00:54:23.480 --> 00:54:27.159
<v Speaker 1>Uh. Next up, mister Perfect rust the Blue Blazer. This

996
00:54:27.280 --> 00:54:29.679
<v Speaker 1>is the debut of mister Perfect wearing his singlet that

997
00:54:29.719 --> 00:54:32.079
<v Speaker 1>he would wear for the rest of his career. And

998
00:54:32.239 --> 00:54:34.880
<v Speaker 1>I owe, I'm so happy because mister Perfect is one

999
00:54:34.880 --> 00:54:37.519
<v Speaker 1>of the greatest characters of all time. I always will

1000
00:54:37.559 --> 00:54:40.039
<v Speaker 1>love Owen Hart and Jesse the body of Ventur, who

1001
00:54:40.159 --> 00:54:43.039
<v Speaker 1>is a heel on commentary says this is going to

1002
00:54:43.079 --> 00:54:44.840
<v Speaker 1>be the match that we should pay attention to. Like

1003
00:54:44.880 --> 00:54:47.360
<v Speaker 1>he immediately is like, oh, I'm excited to watch this,

1004
00:54:47.760 --> 00:54:50.440
<v Speaker 1>And to me, that's great because if you do watch it,

1005
00:54:50.440 --> 00:54:52.440
<v Speaker 1>it is probably one of the best matches of the night.

1006
00:54:53.000 --> 00:54:56.039
<v Speaker 1>And for me, what do you think of mister Perfect's look,

1007
00:54:56.079 --> 00:54:59.880
<v Speaker 1>because before this he's just wearing traditional random tights. Now

1008
00:55:00.159 --> 00:55:02.679
<v Speaker 1>has the thing that he has his actual look.

1009
00:55:03.400 --> 00:55:06.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, I thought it was great because you know

1010
00:55:06.719 --> 00:55:10.400
<v Speaker 2>it was more of that uh, you know, real amateur

1011
00:55:10.519 --> 00:55:14.239
<v Speaker 2>wrestler kind of look, and Kurt had that he had

1012
00:55:14.239 --> 00:55:18.559
<v Speaker 2>the body for it. You know, others would would use

1013
00:55:18.599 --> 00:55:21.400
<v Speaker 2>that as well. You know. It's like I think the

1014
00:55:21.440 --> 00:55:25.119
<v Speaker 2>Steiner brothers wore the same kind of uh singlets with

1015
00:55:25.239 --> 00:55:29.320
<v Speaker 2>the Dead because they were you know, amateur wrestlers and

1016
00:55:29.320 --> 00:55:31.400
<v Speaker 2>and so I think you know, Kurt was a great

1017
00:55:32.159 --> 00:55:35.440
<v Speaker 2>amateur wrestler, and uh, but I just thought it was

1018
00:55:35.480 --> 00:55:38.960
<v Speaker 2>a good look for him. I I you know, always

1019
00:55:39.480 --> 00:55:41.400
<v Speaker 2>you have the trunks, and he had a good body.

1020
00:55:41.599 --> 00:55:43.440
<v Speaker 2>You know, there was no he could certainly just wear

1021
00:55:43.440 --> 00:55:45.480
<v Speaker 2>the trunks, however, but it was it was his own

1022
00:55:45.559 --> 00:55:49.159
<v Speaker 2>unique look and you know, and and and you you'd

1023
00:55:49.159 --> 00:55:51.360
<v Speaker 2>see sometimes where he'd like peel it off, you know,

1024
00:55:51.480 --> 00:55:53.840
<v Speaker 2>and kind to push it through that take the strap

1025
00:55:53.840 --> 00:55:55.679
<v Speaker 2>and then it would be like that when he was

1026
00:55:55.719 --> 00:55:59.880
<v Speaker 2>like ready to really go at it. So yeah, it

1027
00:55:59.920 --> 00:56:03.880
<v Speaker 2>was a great look. And uh, this match was was

1028
00:56:04.000 --> 00:56:08.079
<v Speaker 2>great and Owen was was a chance because you know,

1029
00:56:08.320 --> 00:56:10.400
<v Speaker 2>in order for you to get over to look good

1030
00:56:10.400 --> 00:56:13.679
<v Speaker 2>out there, you got to have a partner that knows

1031
00:56:13.679 --> 00:56:16.519
<v Speaker 2>how to do it. And there was nobody that was

1032
00:56:16.599 --> 00:56:20.519
<v Speaker 2>better at that and selling than Kurt had it. There's

1033
00:56:20.599 --> 00:56:23.280
<v Speaker 2>you know, there's no question about it that you know,

1034
00:56:23.400 --> 00:56:26.440
<v Speaker 2>Kurt was great. So this was a really great opportunity

1035
00:56:26.440 --> 00:56:28.840
<v Speaker 2>for Owen. I'm sure he loved the fact that he would,

1036
00:56:28.880 --> 00:56:31.639
<v Speaker 2>you know, got to be at WrestleMania and in the

1037
00:56:31.719 --> 00:56:35.000
<v Speaker 2>ring with Kurt and uh, and they did not let

1038
00:56:35.079 --> 00:56:37.360
<v Speaker 2>us down. It was just and now I remember people

1039
00:56:37.360 --> 00:56:40.639
<v Speaker 2>watching it back because we hadn't seen a whole lot

1040
00:56:40.679 --> 00:56:44.480
<v Speaker 2>of Owen and so this was a big stage for him.

1041
00:56:44.760 --> 00:56:47.880
<v Speaker 2>And you've heard this before that you know the boys

1042
00:56:47.880 --> 00:56:51.880
<v Speaker 2>will say, you know, it's it's something if they're paying attention.

1043
00:56:52.519 --> 00:56:54.360
<v Speaker 2>And they would also, you know, they always had the

1044
00:56:54.400 --> 00:56:56.239
<v Speaker 2>monitors set up and back and they have chairs with

1045
00:56:56.360 --> 00:57:01.039
<v Speaker 2>boys watch and we had it's all over the place

1046
00:57:02.239 --> 00:57:04.159
<v Speaker 2>so that you know, people backstage can see what was

1047
00:57:04.199 --> 00:57:06.079
<v Speaker 2>going on and when they were supposed to be somewhere.

1048
00:57:06.559 --> 00:57:09.840
<v Speaker 2>And I just remember that, you know, everybody's kind of stopped.

1049
00:57:09.920 --> 00:57:12.159
<v Speaker 2>It's just you know, who could do it? And it's

1050
00:57:12.199 --> 00:57:13.719
<v Speaker 2>watching watching that match.

1051
00:57:14.480 --> 00:57:17.440
<v Speaker 1>Oh, it's it's unbelivable. But what's even crazier is when

1052
00:57:17.440 --> 00:57:20.639
<v Speaker 1>I'm watching this again, this is the fifth match. There's

1053
00:57:20.679 --> 00:57:25.719
<v Speaker 1>fourteen matches on this WrestleMania. I know it's WrestleMania. You

1054
00:57:25.760 --> 00:57:29.440
<v Speaker 1>want geting one on the card, but I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

1055
00:57:29.800 --> 00:57:33.119
<v Speaker 1>Not everyone needs to be here for a match. And

1056
00:57:33.239 --> 00:57:36.079
<v Speaker 1>to me, when you think about it, I'm like, why

1057
00:57:36.199 --> 00:57:38.760
<v Speaker 1>why why is you know, I love every one of

1058
00:57:38.760 --> 00:57:42.000
<v Speaker 1>these wrestlers, but like, why is Hercules fighting Haku in

1059
00:57:42.079 --> 00:57:45.159
<v Speaker 1>the beginning? Why is Batnew's brown fighting dug In. You know,

1060
00:57:45.199 --> 00:57:49.320
<v Speaker 1>why is mister Perfect fighting the Believablelazer Dino Bravus, Brownie Garfin?

1061
00:57:49.760 --> 00:57:52.800
<v Speaker 1>Why are some of these matches happening? Is it just, hey,

1062
00:57:53.039 --> 00:57:54.840
<v Speaker 1>you all got us here, You're all working hard on

1063
00:57:54.880 --> 00:57:56.840
<v Speaker 1>house shows, so we're going to give you this big

1064
00:57:56.800 --> 00:57:58.719
<v Speaker 1>wrestleman of Payday? Is that really what this is?

1065
00:57:59.480 --> 00:58:01.360
<v Speaker 2>No? I know, I really don't think so. I mean

1066
00:58:01.400 --> 00:58:05.000
<v Speaker 2>maybe that was some of it, but I think it

1067
00:58:05.079 --> 00:58:07.639
<v Speaker 2>was kind of this experimentation to see, you know, what

1068
00:58:07.679 --> 00:58:12.000
<v Speaker 2>do people want? You know, do they want uh, you know,

1069
00:58:12.159 --> 00:58:16.320
<v Speaker 2>five to seven you know, good solid long you know,

1070
00:58:16.880 --> 00:58:21.039
<v Speaker 2>twenty plus minute matches or do you want to see uh,

1071
00:58:21.239 --> 00:58:23.719
<v Speaker 2>you know a lot of a big display of talent

1072
00:58:24.360 --> 00:58:27.599
<v Speaker 2>with the matches that are not you know, very long.

1073
00:58:27.679 --> 00:58:30.360
<v Speaker 2>Some of them were three minutes, some were seven. You know,

1074
00:58:31.239 --> 00:58:33.559
<v Speaker 2>but it was it was clear early on it it

1075
00:58:33.679 --> 00:58:37.440
<v Speaker 2>was too much, and I'm sure that people voice their

1076
00:58:37.480 --> 00:58:42.000
<v Speaker 2>opinion about that even before this event happened. But you know,

1077
00:58:42.840 --> 00:58:45.760
<v Speaker 2>once that that train was on the track and all

1078
00:58:45.840 --> 00:58:49.880
<v Speaker 2>the cars where go on that train, that train was

1079
00:58:49.920 --> 00:58:52.599
<v Speaker 2>way too long, and you can feel it. You know,

1080
00:58:52.639 --> 00:58:56.239
<v Speaker 2>there's people like uh uh you know, overload and the

1081
00:58:56.280 --> 00:58:59.400
<v Speaker 2>matches weren't real great, so then you start losing it.

1082
00:58:59.440 --> 00:59:02.280
<v Speaker 2>You know, you get the feel that crowd as it

1083
00:59:02.320 --> 00:59:05.800
<v Speaker 2>goes through the night, and yeah, it was just like,

1084
00:59:05.920 --> 00:59:11.159
<v Speaker 2>come on, let's get to it. And it was way, way, way,

1085
00:59:11.159 --> 00:59:16.239
<v Speaker 2>way too many matches and even I don't know what

1086
00:59:16.280 --> 00:59:19.480
<v Speaker 2>they could have done it better with different talent. I

1087
00:59:19.480 --> 00:59:21.119
<v Speaker 2>mean they had. It was a talent that they had,

1088
00:59:21.320 --> 00:59:23.800
<v Speaker 2>and it just none of it was really strong. There

1089
00:59:23.880 --> 00:59:26.320
<v Speaker 2>just weren't, you know, like you said, there were a

1090
00:59:26.360 --> 00:59:30.840
<v Speaker 2>few matches there, you know, Curtin and Owen and you

1091
00:59:30.840 --> 00:59:36.639
<v Speaker 2>know boss Man and Team and you know, yeah there

1092
00:59:36.639 --> 00:59:41.400
<v Speaker 2>were good matches, yes, but the other stuff was filler,

1093
00:59:41.440 --> 00:59:43.920
<v Speaker 2>and it was just it was like, do you want

1094
00:59:43.960 --> 00:59:45.760
<v Speaker 2>to make this thing three hours long? When it just

1095
00:59:45.800 --> 00:59:48.119
<v Speaker 2>people just make it too you know, if it's make

1096
00:59:48.199 --> 00:59:52.719
<v Speaker 2>it good and two you know, so yeah, way way

1097
00:59:52.760 --> 00:59:53.239
<v Speaker 2>too much.

1098
00:59:53.639 --> 00:59:55.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, you know, I have no problem with it.

1099
00:59:55.519 --> 00:59:57.079
<v Speaker 1>I just think, why do you have so many matches?

1100
00:59:57.079 --> 00:59:58.400
<v Speaker 1>But we're going to plow through a few of these

1101
00:59:58.480 --> 01:00:01.480
<v Speaker 1>right now. Demolition to titles are his Powers of Pain

1102
01:00:01.559 --> 01:00:04.559
<v Speaker 1>and mister Fuji, who I gotta say, mister Fuji. He

1103
01:00:04.639 --> 01:00:07.679
<v Speaker 1>looked amazing and he runs a five k and a

1104
01:00:07.719 --> 01:00:10.599
<v Speaker 1>suit and a hat and a cane in his dress

1105
01:00:10.599 --> 01:00:14.880
<v Speaker 1>shoes and then he wrestles too. To me, I've heard

1106
01:00:14.960 --> 01:00:16.960
<v Speaker 1>terrible things about this man, but I got to say

1107
01:00:17.280 --> 01:00:19.880
<v Speaker 1>his physique beautiful. He looks better than me than I

1108
01:00:19.920 --> 01:00:20.320
<v Speaker 1>do now.

1109
01:00:20.360 --> 01:00:27.039
<v Speaker 2>So you know, yeah, in his day, mister Kozie could

1110
01:00:27.079 --> 01:00:29.360
<v Speaker 2>get it done. Man. It was. It was legendary that,

1111
01:00:29.719 --> 01:00:31.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, the kicks and stuff that he could do,

1112
01:00:31.480 --> 01:00:33.400
<v Speaker 2>and he's still even when he was older, he could

1113
01:00:33.440 --> 01:00:35.440
<v Speaker 2>do that. He could get that leg up into your chin,

1114
01:00:36.360 --> 01:00:40.119
<v Speaker 2>which was, you know, pretty amazing thing. So you can

1115
01:00:40.159 --> 01:00:42.920
<v Speaker 2>imagine when he was when he was younger and could

1116
01:00:43.000 --> 01:00:48.800
<v Speaker 2>really fly around that ring. It was legendary. But you know,

1117
01:00:50.159 --> 01:00:52.239
<v Speaker 2>as far as when he was older, he wasn't going

1118
01:00:52.280 --> 01:00:54.199
<v Speaker 2>to be able to do a whole lot. But they

1119
01:00:54.320 --> 01:00:58.639
<v Speaker 2>got him involved in this whole you know turn with Demolition,

1120
01:00:58.920 --> 01:01:01.159
<v Speaker 2>and you know, it worked. It was one of the

1121
01:01:01.320 --> 01:01:03.119
<v Speaker 2>one of the other matches that I really enjoyed, and

1122
01:01:03.159 --> 01:01:04.800
<v Speaker 2>of course, you know, I'm a big fan of demolition,

1123
01:01:05.960 --> 01:01:09.000
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, it was you know, at worked did that

1124
01:01:09.000 --> 01:01:10.719
<v Speaker 2>That whole match worked for me? And I just thought

1125
01:01:10.719 --> 01:01:13.639
<v Speaker 2>that that that the storyline, you know, it kind of

1126
01:01:13.679 --> 01:01:16.679
<v Speaker 2>came out of you know the turn was little yeah,

1127
01:01:16.800 --> 01:01:19.320
<v Speaker 2>really just all of a sudden, I don't know where

1128
01:01:19.480 --> 01:01:24.960
<v Speaker 2>and right right, But but I still think that that

1129
01:01:25.000 --> 01:01:27.360
<v Speaker 2>was one of the more entertaining matches of the evening.

1130
01:01:27.880 --> 01:01:32.039
<v Speaker 1>Agreed, Agreed, and again, mister Fuji looking good, Man looking good,

1131
01:01:32.159 --> 01:01:34.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, good for you. Up next, you know, brav

1132
01:01:34.519 --> 01:01:37.719
<v Speaker 1>versus Ronnie Garvin again, what are we doing here? Frenchie

1133
01:01:37.760 --> 01:01:40.760
<v Speaker 1>Martin gets stomped up by Ronnie Garvin in front row Trump.

1134
01:01:40.800 --> 01:01:43.719
<v Speaker 1>He's like, oh, yeah, I like this, yeah, stomp out,

1135
01:01:43.800 --> 01:01:49.119
<v Speaker 1>French guy out. Trump's having a time of his life.

1136
01:01:49.519 --> 01:01:53.000
<v Speaker 1>Oh when he watches Hogan. If you watch this back again,

1137
01:01:53.480 --> 01:01:55.880
<v Speaker 1>look at Trump the whole time during Hogan versus Savage.

1138
01:01:55.920 --> 01:02:00.519
<v Speaker 1>He's like, it's like a kid on Christmas seeing present

1139
01:02:00.559 --> 01:02:02.719
<v Speaker 1>come to life in front of him. Honestly, it's one

1140
01:02:02.719 --> 01:02:05.719
<v Speaker 1>of the funniest moments. But the Brain Busters versus the

1141
01:02:05.760 --> 01:02:08.079
<v Speaker 1>Strike Force is up next. This is where the Strike

1142
01:02:08.119 --> 01:02:11.000
<v Speaker 1>Force breaks up and Jesse Ventura clearly gives it away

1143
01:02:11.320 --> 01:02:14.320
<v Speaker 1>because he says, well, the Strike Force hasn't teamed up

1144
01:02:14.320 --> 01:02:17.239
<v Speaker 1>in a long time. Together, let's see how they do. Well.

1145
01:02:17.320 --> 01:02:21.559
<v Speaker 1>Rick Martel leaves Tito Santana by himself and Brainbusters win.

1146
01:02:21.960 --> 01:02:24.719
<v Speaker 1>Brain Buster is our former tag team champions. Strike Force

1147
01:02:24.800 --> 01:02:28.280
<v Speaker 1>is over and we go off an amazing model run

1148
01:02:28.320 --> 01:02:30.639
<v Speaker 1>for Rick Martel. This is the beginning of my love

1149
01:02:30.719 --> 01:02:33.400
<v Speaker 1>for Rick the Model Martel. Strikeforce to me was like

1150
01:02:33.440 --> 01:02:36.559
<v Speaker 1>the young Stallions, just like a bunch of two young guys,

1151
01:02:36.840 --> 01:02:39.800
<v Speaker 1>like we're gonna give one hundred and ten percent and

1152
01:02:40.119 --> 01:02:42.000
<v Speaker 1>now we're gonna get the model. Like to me, this

1153
01:02:42.039 --> 01:02:44.000
<v Speaker 1>is a great step forward for Rick the Model Martel.

1154
01:02:44.119 --> 01:02:45.639
<v Speaker 1>I know we did a podcast about it, but how

1155
01:02:45.639 --> 01:02:48.159
<v Speaker 1>do you feel about the model character versus the version

1156
01:02:48.199 --> 01:02:48.840
<v Speaker 1>you're seeing here?

1157
01:02:49.480 --> 01:02:52.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, No, I thought it was great, and you know

1158
01:02:52.519 --> 01:02:55.679
<v Speaker 2>that I was a big fan of Rick, and he

1159
01:02:55.840 --> 01:03:00.800
<v Speaker 2>fought really hard. I mean we talked about it that

1160
01:03:01.480 --> 01:03:03.559
<v Speaker 2>you know, he wanted to be a heel. He felt

1161
01:03:03.559 --> 01:03:06.880
<v Speaker 2>that his run as a baby face was never going

1162
01:03:06.920 --> 01:03:10.320
<v Speaker 2>to get him anywhere, and he really had even contemplated,

1163
01:03:10.639 --> 01:03:15.079
<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm out, I'll quit the business, or I'll

1164
01:03:15.079 --> 01:03:19.320
<v Speaker 2>go and wrestle independently and as a heel. I'll prove

1165
01:03:19.400 --> 01:03:22.960
<v Speaker 2>to them that I can do this and walked away

1166
01:03:23.000 --> 01:03:25.119
<v Speaker 2>a couple of times where he just said, no, I'm

1167
01:03:25.159 --> 01:03:28.199
<v Speaker 2>serious about this, and then you know, they brought him back,

1168
01:03:28.239 --> 01:03:30.360
<v Speaker 2>said yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll do it. And then they didn't.

1169
01:03:30.480 --> 01:03:32.840
<v Speaker 2>You know, they've had we just got too much going on,

1170
01:03:32.880 --> 01:03:37.079
<v Speaker 2>but we're going to get to that. And you know, finally, yeah,

1171
01:03:37.159 --> 01:03:41.239
<v Speaker 2>finally he convinced them because he really was willing to

1172
01:03:41.320 --> 01:03:45.559
<v Speaker 2>walk away from it all and and and spot really

1173
01:03:45.639 --> 01:03:48.000
<v Speaker 2>really hard to make make it happen. And it was

1174
01:03:48.039 --> 01:03:50.519
<v Speaker 2>great to see finally, you know, just shows you the

1175
01:03:50.519 --> 01:03:54.800
<v Speaker 2>perseverance and his belief of what he could do and

1176
01:03:54.800 --> 01:03:58.679
<v Speaker 2>and not wavering, like willing to risk at all. And

1177
01:03:59.039 --> 01:04:01.199
<v Speaker 2>it really did pay off. As you said, he just

1178
01:04:01.840 --> 01:04:04.280
<v Speaker 2>this would kind of launch that that run that he

1179
01:04:04.320 --> 01:04:08.440
<v Speaker 2>would have as the model, and you know, proved everybody wrong.

1180
01:04:09.119 --> 01:04:11.559
<v Speaker 2>You know, all of those guys, you know, Pat and Vincent,

1181
01:04:11.920 --> 01:04:14.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, all those guys thought, you know, he just

1182
01:04:14.559 --> 01:04:16.519
<v Speaker 2>he's a baby face. There's nothing else you can do about.

1183
01:04:16.519 --> 01:04:19.519
<v Speaker 2>It's too good. Look, he's you know, got that swab

1184
01:04:19.679 --> 01:04:22.360
<v Speaker 2>kind of demeanor to him, and what the girls love him.

1185
01:04:22.840 --> 01:04:25.239
<v Speaker 2>You know, he's just a baby face. And he's like, no,

1186
01:04:25.440 --> 01:04:27.119
<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to make any money. You're never going

1187
01:04:27.199 --> 01:04:30.480
<v Speaker 2>to put me up there with any real serious run

1188
01:04:30.519 --> 01:04:33.280
<v Speaker 2>as a baby face. It's not going to happen, and

1189
01:04:33.559 --> 01:04:38.559
<v Speaker 2>he stuck to it and saw it through and wherever.

1190
01:04:38.679 --> 01:04:42.400
<v Speaker 2>I don't know exactly how long it lasts, but that

1191
01:04:42.400 --> 01:04:46.840
<v Speaker 2>that that, you know, put that mark on his career forever.

1192
01:04:47.159 --> 01:04:49.679
<v Speaker 2>That's how people remember him. He had a great career

1193
01:04:49.719 --> 01:04:52.119
<v Speaker 2>otherwise outside all of all that. But when you talk

1194
01:04:52.119 --> 01:04:55.000
<v Speaker 2>about Rick Martel, what you remember. You remember the model,

1195
01:04:55.039 --> 01:04:57.760
<v Speaker 2>you remember the spray thing, you remember the blinding jake,

1196
01:04:57.840 --> 01:05:01.079
<v Speaker 2>you know the whole thing, And that was all on him.

1197
01:05:01.199 --> 01:05:03.760
<v Speaker 2>He did it. He stuck to it and wouldn't go it,

1198
01:05:03.760 --> 01:05:07.719
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't wait, and you got it. I mean, tremendous respect

1199
01:05:07.719 --> 01:05:08.360
<v Speaker 2>for what he did.

1200
01:05:09.159 --> 01:05:12.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, agreed. They announced though the Hulk Cogan's going to

1201
01:05:12.400 --> 01:05:15.719
<v Speaker 1>start and nol Holds barred the movie coming out in

1202
01:05:15.760 --> 01:05:18.480
<v Speaker 1>the summer of nineteen eighty nine. They cut back to

1203
01:05:18.559 --> 01:05:22.159
<v Speaker 1>Gorilla and Jesse Ventura and jesse Ventura has a meltdown

1204
01:05:22.159 --> 01:05:25.480
<v Speaker 1>on camera. He is screaming, this is no longer like

1205
01:05:25.599 --> 01:05:29.519
<v Speaker 1>Jesse Ventura, the TV persona. This is Jesse Ventura, the

1206
01:05:29.519 --> 01:05:32.159
<v Speaker 1>person who's angry at Ulk Cogan for stopping at Union

1207
01:05:32.599 --> 01:05:35.599
<v Speaker 1>four years ago. And the he is pissed off. He's

1208
01:05:35.679 --> 01:05:38.159
<v Speaker 1>yelling about how you're gonna come into my territory, in

1209
01:05:38.199 --> 01:05:40.320
<v Speaker 1>my yard. If you want to come to Los Angeles,

1210
01:05:40.360 --> 01:05:43.480
<v Speaker 1>She'll be driving my limousine, not starring in movies. And

1211
01:05:43.599 --> 01:05:47.079
<v Speaker 1>Jesse like walks off the screen and Gorilla that's laughing

1212
01:05:47.079 --> 01:05:50.079
<v Speaker 1>a little bit, like I'm not sure what's happening here.

1213
01:05:50.440 --> 01:05:53.920
<v Speaker 1>Eventually Jesse does come back. But the real heat of

1214
01:05:53.960 --> 01:05:56.719
<v Speaker 1>this was there actually real heat with Jesse being upset

1215
01:05:56.760 --> 01:05:58.320
<v Speaker 1>that Hogan wanted to go do movies.

1216
01:05:59.079 --> 01:06:02.039
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, I mean, I think you know a lot

1217
01:06:02.079 --> 01:06:05.239
<v Speaker 2>of things. As we've a lot of these storylines, you know,

1218
01:06:05.320 --> 01:06:08.159
<v Speaker 2>that's what makes the best ones is when you can't

1219
01:06:08.199 --> 01:06:11.639
<v Speaker 2>really tell the difference is that a shoot or work?

1220
01:06:12.440 --> 01:06:15.880
<v Speaker 2>And uh, you know, as you mentioned there was no

1221
01:06:16.039 --> 01:06:20.079
<v Speaker 2>love lost between Hull, Coogan and and Jesse. Then that

1222
01:06:20.400 --> 01:06:25.719
<v Speaker 2>was for real and with good reason for as far

1223
01:06:25.719 --> 01:06:28.480
<v Speaker 2>as Jeff was concerned that you know that and hulp,

1224
01:06:28.960 --> 01:06:31.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, Terry fully admitted it. When I heard about

1225
01:06:31.440 --> 01:06:33.679
<v Speaker 2>that you and I went straight to Vince because it

1226
01:06:33.800 --> 01:06:38.159
<v Speaker 2>was a threat to what I was doing, very honest

1227
01:06:38.159 --> 01:06:43.079
<v Speaker 2>about that, and Jesse never forgave him for that that here,

1228
01:06:43.119 --> 01:06:47.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, Jesse, Uh, and you see this happened in

1229
01:06:47.360 --> 01:06:51.320
<v Speaker 2>professional sports all the time. Where you know, you're at

1230
01:06:51.360 --> 01:06:53.320
<v Speaker 2>one point. You know, if you're at the top and

1231
01:06:53.360 --> 01:06:56.280
<v Speaker 2>you really you kind of forget where you came from.

1232
01:06:57.480 --> 01:07:00.760
<v Speaker 2>You know, Jesse had witnessed had been that guy who

1233
01:07:01.360 --> 01:07:05.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, languished and didn't get real didn't get shots,

1234
01:07:05.400 --> 01:07:07.719
<v Speaker 2>and and was kind of at the mercy of these

1235
01:07:07.920 --> 01:07:12.920
<v Speaker 2>promoters and and what these guys went through. You know,

1236
01:07:13.519 --> 01:07:15.719
<v Speaker 2>early on, I, at least with the w w F,

1237
01:07:17.400 --> 01:07:22.320
<v Speaker 2>Fulkster was getting you know, first class treatment everywhere he went, blue,

1238
01:07:22.400 --> 01:07:27.639
<v Speaker 2>first class limousines, great hotels. He wasn't with the guys

1239
01:07:27.679 --> 01:07:30.920
<v Speaker 2>down at the bottom of the card who you know,

1240
01:07:31.400 --> 01:07:33.800
<v Speaker 2>were getting in rental cards, four of them, because that's

1241
01:07:33.800 --> 01:07:38.159
<v Speaker 2>they split the money they spend. They'd have three a room.

1242
01:07:38.239 --> 01:07:42.280
<v Speaker 2>Somebody was sleeping on the floor on a mattress. You know,

1243
01:07:43.639 --> 01:07:47.679
<v Speaker 2>stories of guys eating going into diners, ordering a cup

1244
01:07:47.719 --> 01:07:50.719
<v Speaker 2>of coffee and then eating crackers with ketchup on them.

1245
01:07:50.760 --> 01:07:52.840
<v Speaker 2>You know, I mean when you when you've lived that

1246
01:07:53.559 --> 01:07:56.519
<v Speaker 2>and done it for a long time, where every part

1247
01:07:56.559 --> 01:07:58.639
<v Speaker 2>of your meal is you know, every time you do something,

1248
01:07:58.679 --> 01:08:01.440
<v Speaker 2>you know it's expensive. Those guys weren't covered for that.

1249
01:08:01.599 --> 01:08:05.280
<v Speaker 2>The only thing that the the WWF covered was your flight.

1250
01:08:05.840 --> 01:08:09.360
<v Speaker 2>You were responsible for everything is that you did from

1251
01:08:09.360 --> 01:08:11.519
<v Speaker 2>that point on. You paid for your meals, you paid

1252
01:08:11.519 --> 01:08:14.480
<v Speaker 2>for your hotel, you paid for your transportation between the

1253
01:08:14.519 --> 01:08:19.680
<v Speaker 2>towns that you were going to. And Jesse felt that,

1254
01:08:19.760 --> 01:08:22.359
<v Speaker 2>you know, it wasn't fair. These guys needed to have

1255
01:08:22.399 --> 01:08:24.479
<v Speaker 2>some representation and the only way they were going to

1256
01:08:24.560 --> 01:08:29.199
<v Speaker 2>do that is they found together and blew that up

1257
01:08:29.279 --> 01:08:31.840
<v Speaker 2>right away. And he never forgave so kind of a

1258
01:08:32.000 --> 01:08:36.039
<v Speaker 2>tirade there, but that's to make you understand why. And

1259
01:08:36.079 --> 01:08:39.680
<v Speaker 2>there were other things, you know, the merchandise thing, you know,

1260
01:08:39.760 --> 01:08:42.880
<v Speaker 2>Jesse saw that that hoped getting the lion's share of

1261
01:08:42.920 --> 01:08:46.000
<v Speaker 2>all of it, and so yeah, that was that was

1262
01:08:46.119 --> 01:08:51.399
<v Speaker 2>real life heat. So I you know, I think that

1263
01:08:51.399 --> 01:08:53.600
<v Speaker 2>that was maybe more than a half shoot.

1264
01:08:55.199 --> 01:08:57.439
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, he was pissed after watching it, was like

1265
01:08:57.479 --> 01:09:00.960
<v Speaker 1>damn right, even Gorilla again, Gorilla just looks shocked like, okay,

1266
01:09:01.039 --> 01:09:03.640
<v Speaker 1>well I'm just gonna nervously smile here for a minute.

1267
01:09:03.840 --> 01:09:04.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1268
01:09:04.079 --> 01:09:06.479
<v Speaker 1>That it didn't look very comfortable on camera there, but

1269
01:09:07.119 --> 01:09:09.479
<v Speaker 1>you know, moving on, Jake to Snaka Roberts versus the

1270
01:09:09.520 --> 01:09:12.159
<v Speaker 1>Andre The Giant matches up next with Big John Studd,

1271
01:09:12.159 --> 01:09:14.720
<v Speaker 1>who won the nineteen eighty nine Royal Rumble, but he

1272
01:09:14.760 --> 01:09:18.960
<v Speaker 1>doesn't wrestle here at WrestleMania. He's the special guest referee.

1273
01:09:19.359 --> 01:09:23.199
<v Speaker 1>Match ends in d Q. Jake wins. Why have Big

1274
01:09:23.239 --> 01:09:26.479
<v Speaker 1>John Studd win the Royal Rumble to not wrestle Andre

1275
01:09:27.199 --> 01:09:29.039
<v Speaker 1>at WrestleMania.

1276
01:09:28.760 --> 01:09:35.239
<v Speaker 2>Well, probably because Big John Studt was afraid of Andre's didn't.

1277
01:09:37.119 --> 01:09:42.600
<v Speaker 2>That's well documented that Andre. There's only one giant. There's

1278
01:09:42.680 --> 01:09:45.399
<v Speaker 2>only one giant, and it is me and anybody who

1279
01:09:45.399 --> 01:09:48.840
<v Speaker 2>tries to come in and you know, but they're put

1280
01:09:48.840 --> 01:09:51.399
<v Speaker 2>in there is it's not going to happen, mind speaker.

1281
01:09:52.079 --> 01:09:55.720
<v Speaker 2>And so there was no love loss there between them.

1282
01:09:55.960 --> 01:09:58.399
<v Speaker 2>And I think that you know, they were probably brewing

1283
01:09:58.560 --> 01:10:01.199
<v Speaker 2>something need to be serious of about it. That you know,

1284
01:10:01.800 --> 01:10:03.800
<v Speaker 2>you two giants is kind of a give and you

1285
01:10:03.840 --> 01:10:06.520
<v Speaker 2>want to see them go at it? But come on,

1286
01:10:06.560 --> 01:10:11.119
<v Speaker 2>what's juicy? Or here right the whole anng with with

1287
01:10:11.279 --> 01:10:13.760
<v Speaker 2>Jake and Andrea and the snake and come on, what

1288
01:10:13.800 --> 01:10:15.520
<v Speaker 2>do you want to see? I want to what do

1289
01:10:15.520 --> 01:10:17.880
<v Speaker 2>you want to see more two giants banging on each

1290
01:10:17.880 --> 01:10:20.960
<v Speaker 2>other or this this thing that you know, a snake

1291
01:10:21.039 --> 01:10:24.680
<v Speaker 2>that gave Andrea a heart attack? You know, and uh

1292
01:10:25.359 --> 01:10:28.520
<v Speaker 2>and and and That's another one of those things too,

1293
01:10:28.560 --> 01:10:31.079
<v Speaker 2>where you know you've got I mean, come on, look

1294
01:10:31.119 --> 01:10:35.039
<v Speaker 2>at Jake. Jake was not the greatest physical specimen. What

1295
01:10:35.319 --> 01:10:39.399
<v Speaker 2>chance does he have against Andre the Giant? And you

1296
01:10:39.479 --> 01:10:42.720
<v Speaker 2>know how cunning that Jake Roberts says, you know he's

1297
01:10:42.760 --> 01:10:45.199
<v Speaker 2>got something of the sleep. You know, he's going to

1298
01:10:45.279 --> 01:10:48.760
<v Speaker 2>do something. He's he's got he's not and he's so

1299
01:10:49.199 --> 01:10:53.199
<v Speaker 2>freaking you know, just arrogant about it. And he's still

1300
01:10:53.239 --> 01:10:56.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, like he's not there's no fear. So he's

1301
01:10:56.800 --> 01:11:00.640
<v Speaker 2>got he's got something, you know. Uh So that to me,

1302
01:11:00.760 --> 01:11:03.600
<v Speaker 2>that was what that was just yead I can't wait

1303
01:11:03.800 --> 01:11:07.039
<v Speaker 2>the throwing John Studd in there, just for the spectacle

1304
01:11:07.039 --> 01:11:10.000
<v Speaker 2>of it, the two giants is who could he possibly?

1305
01:11:10.279 --> 01:11:12.560
<v Speaker 2>You know, he's you know he's going to be against Andre.

1306
01:11:12.640 --> 01:11:15.399
<v Speaker 2>Andre's gonna get screwed this somehow.

1307
01:11:15.199 --> 01:11:16.000
<v Speaker 1>Hanicap match.

1308
01:11:17.000 --> 01:11:19.560
<v Speaker 2>You had a lot of elements working in that match. Yeah,

1309
01:11:19.680 --> 01:11:22.680
<v Speaker 2>but didn't have to be there to make that a

1310
01:11:22.760 --> 01:11:24.680
<v Speaker 2>marquee match, No, not really.

1311
01:11:25.079 --> 01:11:29.199
<v Speaker 1>No, no hard foundation versus my favorite tag team, Rhythm Blues,

1312
01:11:29.199 --> 01:11:34.640
<v Speaker 1>Honky tonk Man named Greg Valentine, uh super quick super

1313
01:11:34.720 --> 01:11:35.600
<v Speaker 1>quick match.

1314
01:11:35.560 --> 01:11:37.600
<v Speaker 2>Because Greg Valentine dye his hair.

1315
01:11:38.119 --> 01:11:43.960
<v Speaker 1>Of course, I'm sorry, folks, but Greg Valentine was boring

1316
01:11:43.960 --> 01:11:46.520
<v Speaker 1>to me, just like Ronning Garvin was boring to me.

1317
01:11:46.640 --> 01:11:48.560
<v Speaker 1>You know, they might have been great talents, and they

1318
01:11:48.600 --> 01:11:51.119
<v Speaker 1>might have been amazing in your favorite but they're not mine.

1319
01:11:51.479 --> 01:11:54.159
<v Speaker 1>And so I'm going to stop there and just say

1320
01:11:54.359 --> 01:11:57.720
<v Speaker 1>this match was filler and that was it. Interncondinal title

1321
01:11:57.760 --> 01:12:01.359
<v Speaker 1>on the line. Rick Rwe defeats Ultimate Warrior by Bobby

1322
01:12:01.399 --> 01:12:04.359
<v Speaker 1>Heenen holding on to Warrior's leg at the bottom. But

1323
01:12:04.680 --> 01:12:09.239
<v Speaker 1>after Warrior tex Heenan, Heenan says he actually was injured

1324
01:12:09.239 --> 01:12:12.720
<v Speaker 1>by the Ultimate Warrior here, hurting his already worse and

1325
01:12:12.840 --> 01:12:15.760
<v Speaker 1>neck because he had neck issues. We've heard so many

1326
01:12:15.760 --> 01:12:19.359
<v Speaker 1>stories about Ultimate Warrior hurting people, But when you're hurting wrestlers,

1327
01:12:19.439 --> 01:12:22.159
<v Speaker 1>I guess that's one thing. When you're hurting Bobby Heenan,

1328
01:12:22.319 --> 01:12:25.319
<v Speaker 1>the manager, that to me is a whole other level

1329
01:12:25.319 --> 01:12:27.479
<v Speaker 1>of you're not protecting your opponents at all.

1330
01:12:28.119 --> 01:12:32.760
<v Speaker 2>Well, come on, it was Bobby Heenan, so hopeful who

1331
01:12:32.840 --> 01:12:33.439
<v Speaker 2>was upset.

1332
01:12:35.479 --> 01:12:36.800
<v Speaker 1>Bobby was upset with Warrior.

1333
01:12:37.000 --> 01:12:43.000
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, yeah, well it was you know, that was

1334
01:12:43.000 --> 01:12:45.920
<v Speaker 2>the thing that it was brilliant about Bobby that throw

1335
01:12:46.039 --> 01:12:52.079
<v Speaker 2>him into any situation and he made it work. So yeah,

1336
01:12:52.159 --> 01:12:56.479
<v Speaker 2>I mean this it was a great matchup anyway. I

1337
01:12:56.479 --> 01:13:01.520
<v Speaker 2>mean Rick ruthe man, that guy was I thought was

1338
01:13:02.159 --> 01:13:05.600
<v Speaker 2>great in the rig and and people realized just how

1339
01:13:05.720 --> 01:13:09.800
<v Speaker 2>freaking tough that guy was. Not not a really huge guy.

1340
01:13:09.840 --> 01:13:12.079
<v Speaker 2>I mean he was, he had a tremendous body, but

1341
01:13:12.159 --> 01:13:16.720
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't anywhere near the stature of Warrior. But who

1342
01:13:16.760 --> 01:13:18.319
<v Speaker 2>do you think is going to win that street fight

1343
01:13:19.720 --> 01:13:23.359
<v Speaker 2>and died by the way. They had a few altercations,

1344
01:13:23.640 --> 01:13:27.600
<v Speaker 2>But really this is a great matchup. Then throw Enan

1345
01:13:27.680 --> 01:13:29.560
<v Speaker 2>in there. It's a great mix.

1346
01:13:30.399 --> 01:13:33.000
<v Speaker 1>True, true. You know, people were interested in this because

1347
01:13:33.000 --> 01:13:35.159
<v Speaker 1>it's probably like the second biggest match on the car

1348
01:13:35.239 --> 01:13:40.680
<v Speaker 1>besides Hogan versus Macho Man because Warriors red hot, rickcruit amazing,

1349
01:13:40.720 --> 01:13:43.479
<v Speaker 1>heel body, Heenan's on fire as always. So I think

1350
01:13:43.479 --> 01:13:46.159
<v Speaker 1>it was a very shocking ending actually to see a

1351
01:13:46.199 --> 01:13:49.439
<v Speaker 1>babyface lose such a big, high profile match at RUSSEMANI

1352
01:13:49.479 --> 01:13:51.359
<v Speaker 1>at the time. Now it happens all the time, but

1353
01:13:51.439 --> 01:13:54.439
<v Speaker 1>when it did, you're like, wow, I didn't. I didn't.

1354
01:13:54.760 --> 01:13:57.159
<v Speaker 1>Vegas odds did not have this going this way, so

1355
01:13:57.800 --> 01:14:00.279
<v Speaker 1>lost a lot of money as a child. But yeah, no,

1356
01:14:00.319 --> 01:14:01.720
<v Speaker 1>I thought it was I thought it was a great match,

1357
01:14:01.720 --> 01:14:05.680
<v Speaker 1>and even Rick Rude winning the Intercontinental title Jesse Venturn commentary.

1358
01:14:05.840 --> 01:14:08.319
<v Speaker 1>He is so happy about this because now he's saying,

1359
01:14:08.319 --> 01:14:11.159
<v Speaker 1>I have all my champions. I got Rick Rud, got

1360
01:14:11.199 --> 01:14:14.439
<v Speaker 1>Macho Man as my champion, Like I'm feeling great. And

1361
01:14:14.800 --> 01:14:16.880
<v Speaker 1>even at the end of the night when Macho does lose,

1362
01:14:17.079 --> 01:14:20.000
<v Speaker 1>Jesse the last line he kind of says this, He's like, well, Gorilla,

1363
01:14:20.079 --> 01:14:22.600
<v Speaker 1>you got Hogan and I got Rick Rude. He's he's

1364
01:14:22.680 --> 01:14:25.840
<v Speaker 1>just all about having Rick ruit his icy champion, which

1365
01:14:25.920 --> 01:14:28.039
<v Speaker 1>is you know, I thought it was a great move

1366
01:14:28.079 --> 01:14:31.079
<v Speaker 1>to build towards US SummerSlam because they have a rematch

1367
01:14:31.119 --> 01:14:33.239
<v Speaker 1>where you know, Warrior picks up the win there. But

1368
01:14:34.119 --> 01:14:36.680
<v Speaker 1>still good stuff. But we do have more filler bad

1369
01:14:36.720 --> 01:14:39.920
<v Speaker 1>news Brown Rassus Hacksaw, Jim Duggan and.

1370
01:14:40.199 --> 01:14:44.399
<v Speaker 2>Look how look how yeah yeah, look how Rude won that? Yeah?

1371
01:14:44.560 --> 01:14:48.840
<v Speaker 2>Cheat did There had to be that guy that's the cheat. Yeah,

1372
01:14:48.880 --> 01:14:49.560
<v Speaker 2>so there you go.

1373
01:14:50.199 --> 01:14:54.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, No, I did enjoy that. Though, again it helps

1374
01:14:54.359 --> 01:14:56.920
<v Speaker 1>Warrior look like he didn't actually lose because someone had

1375
01:14:56.920 --> 01:14:59.560
<v Speaker 1>to cheat to beat him. So that helps recruit as

1376
01:14:59.600 --> 01:15:03.680
<v Speaker 1>a Baby as a heel helps Warrior keep his steam going.

1377
01:15:03.760 --> 01:15:07.840
<v Speaker 1>But two more matches before the main event, Match number twelve,

1378
01:15:08.079 --> 01:15:11.720
<v Speaker 1>Bad News Brown versus Hacksaw Jim Dug Him God, we still.

1379
01:15:11.439 --> 01:15:14.560
<v Speaker 2>Have more matches. Stop already, there can't be that many.

1380
01:15:14.600 --> 01:15:17.760
<v Speaker 2>There cannot be that possibly ninety matches. They cannot. Please

1381
01:15:17.800 --> 01:15:18.520
<v Speaker 2>make it stop.

1382
01:15:18.880 --> 01:15:22.159
<v Speaker 1>Get in the time machine and tell yourself nineteen eighty

1383
01:15:22.239 --> 01:15:24.039
<v Speaker 1>nine to stop this then, because we have to see

1384
01:15:24.119 --> 01:15:27.159
<v Speaker 1>keep going. Red Rooster fights Bobby Heenan. Bobby Heenay got

1385
01:15:27.159 --> 01:15:29.000
<v Speaker 1>beat up by Warrior. Now he gets to get beat

1386
01:15:29.079 --> 01:15:32.600
<v Speaker 1>up by Red Rooster. Match last thirty one seconds. But

1387
01:15:32.720 --> 01:15:35.680
<v Speaker 1>we're moving on finally to the man event of the evening.

1388
01:15:35.880 --> 01:15:39.840
<v Speaker 1>It's Omega Powers exploding. It's Macho Man versus Hulk Cogan.

1389
01:15:39.840 --> 01:15:42.520
<v Speaker 1>You brought it up earlier. Why does Macho Man come

1390
01:15:42.560 --> 01:15:45.800
<v Speaker 1>out first? Is it a healed tactic where he wants

1391
01:15:45.840 --> 01:15:48.640
<v Speaker 1>to show the world that he is number one, so

1392
01:15:48.720 --> 01:15:50.399
<v Speaker 1>he wants to come out first, get out the glory

1393
01:15:50.680 --> 01:15:52.760
<v Speaker 1>as a heel, or is it Hulk Cogan wants to

1394
01:15:52.800 --> 01:16:00.760
<v Speaker 1>come out to get that pop not being stolen by Savage.

1395
01:16:01.520 --> 01:16:05.239
<v Speaker 2>Really, we need to have this discussion. To me, the

1396
01:16:05.239 --> 01:16:06.920
<v Speaker 2>better way to play it is that yeah, he is

1397
01:16:06.920 --> 01:16:10.840
<v Speaker 2>the champion now, so he you know here this you

1398
01:16:10.960 --> 01:16:14.840
<v Speaker 2>get the you get the entrance, you get the didn't

1399
01:16:14.880 --> 01:16:18.399
<v Speaker 2>do it, just couldn't do it, and so it it

1400
01:16:19.079 --> 01:16:22.560
<v Speaker 2>and I think I think it diminished it. And in

1401
01:16:22.600 --> 01:16:27.319
<v Speaker 2>many ways because of that, I think that that is uh,

1402
01:16:29.319 --> 01:16:31.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, kind of help or did I mean I

1403
01:16:31.960 --> 01:16:34.479
<v Speaker 2>should say health? But you know it started this the

1404
01:16:35.119 --> 01:16:38.680
<v Speaker 2>resentment of hult covid that you have to have everything.

1405
01:16:38.680 --> 01:16:41.920
<v Speaker 2>Can't you just you know, play it real, like take

1406
01:16:41.960 --> 01:16:44.199
<v Speaker 2>it seem like this and then you've got to You've

1407
01:16:44.199 --> 01:16:46.920
<v Speaker 2>got to earn this thing back to me. That would

1408
01:16:46.920 --> 01:16:49.439
<v Speaker 2>have been bigger, but it's like you already came in.

1409
01:16:49.560 --> 01:16:51.640
<v Speaker 2>So I was thinking, you know, they're already kind of

1410
01:16:52.359 --> 01:16:55.079
<v Speaker 2>laying the groundwork here that guess is going to win

1411
01:16:55.119 --> 01:16:56.920
<v Speaker 2>the match kind of like yeah, he's going to be

1412
01:16:57.079 --> 01:16:58.920
<v Speaker 2>back on top again. And it kind of ruined it

1413
01:16:58.960 --> 01:17:02.239
<v Speaker 2>for me to think that way, even though I know,

1414
01:17:02.960 --> 01:17:06.319
<v Speaker 2>but you know, I'm saying that I want you to

1415
01:17:06.359 --> 01:17:11.279
<v Speaker 2>create or this reality. There may be a different you know,

1416
01:17:11.960 --> 01:17:15.199
<v Speaker 2>the dimension, but create this so that I can go

1417
01:17:15.279 --> 01:17:17.840
<v Speaker 2>for that ride. I want to go for that ride.

1418
01:17:17.840 --> 01:17:20.600
<v Speaker 2>I want to feel like that you know, there was

1419
01:17:20.760 --> 01:17:22.720
<v Speaker 2>some doubts. There might have been a little doubt in

1420
01:17:22.760 --> 01:17:26.880
<v Speaker 2>Pulk COVID's mind that you know, and and all this

1421
01:17:27.039 --> 01:17:31.119
<v Speaker 2>what had come down to this. What was really great

1422
01:17:31.159 --> 01:17:35.159
<v Speaker 2>about is look how long they actue to build this story.

1423
01:17:36.119 --> 01:17:38.880
<v Speaker 2>I mean over a year. Really, it's really almost over

1424
01:17:38.920 --> 01:17:41.800
<v Speaker 2>a year where you started that they built this thing,

1425
01:17:42.600 --> 01:17:47.000
<v Speaker 2>and it was one of the greatest because you can't

1426
01:17:47.039 --> 01:17:49.000
<v Speaker 2>do that anymore. They don't do it anymore. It would

1427
01:17:49.039 --> 01:17:52.399
<v Speaker 2>be impossible to do it anymore because thing is just

1428
01:17:52.680 --> 01:17:55.199
<v Speaker 2>everything moves. You know, if you can get a month

1429
01:17:55.319 --> 01:17:59.960
<v Speaker 2>long storyline, wow, that's tremendous. But just look how long

1430
01:18:00.119 --> 01:18:03.479
<v Speaker 2>and and uh and I've heard Bruce talk about this too.

1431
01:18:03.920 --> 01:18:08.159
<v Speaker 2>You know behind the scenes that they they laid this,

1432
01:18:08.159 --> 01:18:11.159
<v Speaker 2>this whole scenario out, They knew where this was going

1433
01:18:11.199 --> 01:18:15.279
<v Speaker 2>to climax. And so when they did when we did

1434
01:18:15.359 --> 01:18:19.479
<v Speaker 2>the vignettes and all of a sudden, they you know,

1435
01:18:19.560 --> 01:18:23.119
<v Speaker 2>shot that went with this. They were already planning to

1436
01:18:23.199 --> 01:18:26.039
<v Speaker 2>be able to have these moments that they could go

1437
01:18:26.079 --> 01:18:28.399
<v Speaker 2>and look back up like when you see like when

1438
01:18:28.399 --> 01:18:30.960
<v Speaker 2>did all this really when did this start happening between

1439
01:18:31.000 --> 01:18:33.800
<v Speaker 2>these two? Why is there so much animosity? Why does

1440
01:18:34.560 --> 01:18:39.079
<v Speaker 2>Randy what why did there his relationship with Elizabeth just

1441
01:18:39.199 --> 01:18:42.439
<v Speaker 2>fracture so much, and it was all well, so well

1442
01:18:42.479 --> 01:18:44.800
<v Speaker 2>planned that they could go back because they would say,

1443
01:18:44.840 --> 01:18:47.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, a look, and they would make sure, uh,

1444
01:18:47.279 --> 01:18:51.239
<v Speaker 2>you know Randy with the uh you know, when he

1445
01:18:51.560 --> 01:18:53.359
<v Speaker 2>once I had the knight stick I think he took

1446
01:18:53.399 --> 01:18:56.640
<v Speaker 2>from the boss Man and and hul Cogan has turned

1447
01:18:56.640 --> 01:18:59.119
<v Speaker 2>his back to him and he's you know, doing his

1448
01:18:59.199 --> 01:19:01.399
<v Speaker 2>thing with the crowd, and you can see Randy's got

1449
01:19:01.399 --> 01:19:05.960
<v Speaker 2>the night stick and it's like it's ruined. You know,

1450
01:19:06.039 --> 01:19:09.079
<v Speaker 2>it's like wrap this thing across the back of that

1451
01:19:09.159 --> 01:19:12.760
<v Speaker 2>head of that big fricking yellow thing, and you know,

1452
01:19:12.880 --> 01:19:15.239
<v Speaker 2>and you could look back at those moments doubt those

1453
01:19:15.239 --> 01:19:18.600
<v Speaker 2>were all planned and that they could go back and say,

1454
01:19:18.680 --> 01:19:22.800
<v Speaker 2>let's go back, remember this, and so uh when you

1455
01:19:22.840 --> 01:19:24.760
<v Speaker 2>look back at it, as far as you know, doing

1456
01:19:24.800 --> 01:19:28.000
<v Speaker 2>storylines and professional wrestling, this is one of the greatest

1457
01:19:28.520 --> 01:19:31.600
<v Speaker 2>because it's the planning that went into it to build

1458
01:19:31.640 --> 01:19:35.640
<v Speaker 2>it to that crescendo and then have eventually, you know,

1459
01:19:35.680 --> 01:19:39.640
<v Speaker 2>I have it pay off was was brilliant. And so

1460
01:19:40.479 --> 01:19:43.359
<v Speaker 2>that was a misstep, I thought that and it's it's

1461
01:19:43.640 --> 01:19:48.680
<v Speaker 2>just simple details. Yeah, but I felt like it just

1462
01:19:48.880 --> 01:19:50.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, we we talked about with a big fight

1463
01:19:50.920 --> 01:19:57.720
<v Speaker 2>deal and uh, yet you stumbled on that because you

1464
01:19:57.800 --> 01:20:01.199
<v Speaker 2>wanted it to be that, you wanted that, really wanted

1465
01:20:01.239 --> 01:20:04.279
<v Speaker 2>it to happen, and when the payof comes, yeah, oh

1466
01:20:04.319 --> 01:20:09.239
<v Speaker 2>my god. You know. So really it is a is

1467
01:20:09.600 --> 01:20:13.960
<v Speaker 2>a masterclass as far as doing storyline, because I remember

1468
01:20:14.000 --> 01:20:16.319
<v Speaker 2>that how detailed it was and when we would do

1469
01:20:16.359 --> 01:20:19.119
<v Speaker 2>they shot you know, many of those vignettes at the

1470
01:20:19.119 --> 01:20:22.800
<v Speaker 2>studio and I remember Bruce and them talking, you know

1471
01:20:22.920 --> 01:20:26.319
<v Speaker 2>and Vince about this is what you're this is where

1472
01:20:26.359 --> 01:20:28.720
<v Speaker 2>you what you're going to convey, you know, this is

1473
01:20:28.760 --> 01:20:32.159
<v Speaker 2>what because this is where we are and storyline, and

1474
01:20:32.239 --> 01:20:35.159
<v Speaker 2>so it was really it was this is where they

1475
01:20:35.279 --> 01:20:37.960
<v Speaker 2>really started to plan. Like they didn't. It wasn't so

1476
01:20:38.039 --> 01:20:41.000
<v Speaker 2>much where they were scripting things because the guys was

1477
01:20:41.039 --> 01:20:44.079
<v Speaker 2>still doing their you know, train of thought when they

1478
01:20:44.079 --> 01:20:47.960
<v Speaker 2>were doing that character. But they really the the idea

1479
01:20:48.000 --> 01:20:52.560
<v Speaker 2>of these detailed, long, you know, storyline to get people

1480
01:20:52.560 --> 01:20:54.359
<v Speaker 2>where they were going to be, and some were shorter

1481
01:20:54.399 --> 01:20:58.439
<v Speaker 2>than others. But that's where that that really that storytelling,

1482
01:20:58.960 --> 01:21:02.079
<v Speaker 2>that method of doing it, what's happening, And that was

1483
01:21:02.119 --> 01:21:05.000
<v Speaker 2>one of the classic ones still lives way at the

1484
01:21:05.000 --> 01:21:05.800
<v Speaker 2>top of the mines.

1485
01:21:06.760 --> 01:21:09.119
<v Speaker 1>I agree. I agree with you a whole. It happened

1486
01:21:09.119 --> 01:21:13.960
<v Speaker 1>in October of nineteen eighty seven, when the megapower is formed,

1487
01:21:14.560 --> 01:21:18.520
<v Speaker 1>and then you roll into April second of nineteen eighty nine.

1488
01:21:19.000 --> 01:21:22.760
<v Speaker 1>You have had over a year of story building between

1489
01:21:22.880 --> 01:21:27.560
<v Speaker 1>friends who were originally together. You know, Miss Elizabeth needed

1490
01:21:27.600 --> 01:21:30.399
<v Speaker 1>Hogan to save Savage from Honky Tonk Man and turning

1491
01:21:30.479 --> 01:21:33.960
<v Speaker 1>him babyface, and Hogan helped Savage win the world title

1492
01:21:34.000 --> 01:21:38.600
<v Speaker 1>at WrestleMania fourth Little beats at SummerSlam, where we had glances, hugs,

1493
01:21:38.800 --> 01:21:43.039
<v Speaker 1>holding hand touching, there's a lot of h Hogan. You

1494
01:21:43.079 --> 01:21:45.920
<v Speaker 1>get in a Hansy with some guy's girl, like maybe

1495
01:21:46.000 --> 01:21:48.520
<v Speaker 1>you shouldn't be holding her hand, maybe you shouldn't be

1496
01:21:48.520 --> 01:21:52.800
<v Speaker 1>picking her up or hugging her in front of his husband,

1497
01:21:53.359 --> 01:21:56.840
<v Speaker 1>of her husband. That is so the lot of whose

1498
01:21:56.880 --> 01:21:58.239
<v Speaker 1>side do you want heading into this?

1499
01:21:58.319 --> 01:21:58.439
<v Speaker 2>Now?

1500
01:21:58.439 --> 01:22:00.199
<v Speaker 1>You on the side of the macho man who who

1501
01:22:00.439 --> 01:22:03.640
<v Speaker 1>is showing heal tendencies, but in reality he's a man

1502
01:22:03.680 --> 01:22:06.359
<v Speaker 1>who's pissed off that another man won't stop lusting after

1503
01:22:06.560 --> 01:22:10.560
<v Speaker 1>his wife, even calling him the luster instead of the holster.

1504
01:22:10.840 --> 01:22:13.079
<v Speaker 1>So there's a lot of there.

1505
01:22:13.319 --> 01:22:18.520
<v Speaker 2>It's a lot there, no question, and as I call

1506
01:22:18.600 --> 01:22:21.359
<v Speaker 2>him like eyebrow razors. You know, there were so many

1507
01:22:21.399 --> 01:22:23.359
<v Speaker 2>times you know you look back and that's what I said,

1508
01:22:23.760 --> 01:22:26.920
<v Speaker 2>as they would you know, some of it was subtle, right,

1509
01:22:27.319 --> 01:22:32.159
<v Speaker 2>it was just you know, uh Ulkster opening you know,

1510
01:22:32.239 --> 01:22:35.399
<v Speaker 2>pulling the rope up for miss Elizabeth, Like why is

1511
01:22:35.439 --> 01:22:37.880
<v Speaker 2>he doing that? You know because Randy you know, like

1512
01:22:38.039 --> 01:22:41.079
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't do that, you know or whatever, right, and it

1513
01:22:41.199 --> 01:22:44.239
<v Speaker 2>was like is he just being a really good guy?

1514
01:22:44.399 --> 01:22:48.760
<v Speaker 2>It's like is he the luster Jesse the Leicester? And

1515
01:22:48.800 --> 01:22:51.239
<v Speaker 2>it was it was kind of it was really well done.

1516
01:22:51.359 --> 01:22:54.159
<v Speaker 2>It really was that they had enough of those and

1517
01:22:54.199 --> 01:22:56.920
<v Speaker 2>there weren't planning. I mean, like you said, over a

1518
01:22:57.000 --> 01:23:01.039
<v Speaker 2>year where there was these subtle things that the Hulkster

1519
01:23:01.119 --> 01:23:03.359
<v Speaker 2>would do that would be you know you think like

1520
01:23:03.359 --> 01:23:06.319
<v Speaker 2>what if another man did that to my wife? I

1521
01:23:06.399 --> 01:23:10.479
<v Speaker 2>think I'd be a little annoyed and putting it lightly

1522
01:23:11.880 --> 01:23:17.399
<v Speaker 2>like what are you doing? It's like talking about for everybody,

1523
01:23:17.439 --> 01:23:20.359
<v Speaker 2>every woman that's you know, by opening the door for

1524
01:23:20.399 --> 01:23:21.840
<v Speaker 2>her or something like that, you know, like what do

1525
01:23:21.880 --> 01:23:26.640
<v Speaker 2>you do? What? Completely innocent? And there's some people going, yeah,

1526
01:23:26.760 --> 01:23:30.239
<v Speaker 2>he's just being there's other people like man, he wants it. Yeah,

1527
01:23:30.279 --> 01:23:33.119
<v Speaker 2>he's he's he wants that, he wants a piece of that,

1528
01:23:33.239 --> 01:23:36.079
<v Speaker 2>you know. So yeah, it was really well done. And

1529
01:23:38.039 --> 01:23:42.359
<v Speaker 2>as we learned some of that stuff that Brandy was

1530
01:23:42.399 --> 01:23:45.680
<v Speaker 2>thinking was actually true and like he was, you know,

1531
01:23:45.800 --> 01:23:48.680
<v Speaker 2>that's the way his mind was working that he felt

1532
01:23:48.680 --> 01:23:55.840
<v Speaker 2>that the Hulkster was undermining him in real life. So yeah,

1533
01:23:56.000 --> 01:23:57.560
<v Speaker 2>blurred that line, that's for sure.

1534
01:23:58.680 --> 01:24:01.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, heavy psychology in this one. But it again, it's

1535
01:24:02.079 --> 01:24:04.640
<v Speaker 1>Macha Man comes out first, Miss Elizabeth comes out second

1536
01:24:04.720 --> 01:24:07.880
<v Speaker 1>to Macho Man's music, and then Hogan comes out next.

1537
01:24:08.039 --> 01:24:10.640
<v Speaker 1>And that's the whole point of this. Miss Elizabeth has

1538
01:24:10.680 --> 01:24:13.279
<v Speaker 1>said throughout the program she's not gonna be in Macho

1539
01:24:13.319 --> 01:24:15.600
<v Speaker 1>Man's corner. She's not gonna be in Hulk Cogan's corner.

1540
01:24:15.680 --> 01:24:18.000
<v Speaker 1>She's going to be in a neutral corner. It's about

1541
01:24:18.039 --> 01:24:20.520
<v Speaker 1>the match. We have little moments of her leaving her

1542
01:24:20.520 --> 01:24:23.279
<v Speaker 1>corner to go check on each man. Well, Savage doesn't

1543
01:24:23.319 --> 01:24:25.920
<v Speaker 1>like this and at one point grabs Miss Elizabeth by

1544
01:24:26.039 --> 01:24:29.319
<v Speaker 1>the chin with his hand and he kind of suggests

1545
01:24:29.319 --> 01:24:31.319
<v Speaker 1>like he might punch her in the face, and then

1546
01:24:31.439 --> 01:24:34.039
<v Speaker 1>Earl Hebner or Dave Abner depending on which one got

1547
01:24:34.079 --> 01:24:37.560
<v Speaker 1>the plastic surgery shows up and stops. That's yelling at

1548
01:24:37.560 --> 01:24:40.800
<v Speaker 1>Savage like hei, don't touch her, don't you touch her?

1549
01:24:41.039 --> 01:24:43.640
<v Speaker 1>Leave her alone, so that eventually you know you have

1550
01:24:43.680 --> 01:24:46.520
<v Speaker 1>hul Cogan, big boot leg drop. We got a winter.

1551
01:24:46.600 --> 01:24:49.520
<v Speaker 1>We have a new world champion, three time champion. Savage

1552
01:24:49.560 --> 01:24:53.560
<v Speaker 1>is pissed. He leaves, and Hogan must pose, and so

1553
01:24:53.640 --> 01:24:56.960
<v Speaker 1>he poses for an endless amount of time, and we

1554
01:24:57.039 --> 01:24:59.399
<v Speaker 1>go off the air with Gorilla saying you know, hey,

1555
01:24:59.439 --> 01:25:02.760
<v Speaker 1>well got a new champion. Savage looks angry, and Jesse

1556
01:25:02.880 --> 01:25:06.119
<v Speaker 1>just says goodbye, and that's the last thing you hear

1557
01:25:06.479 --> 01:25:09.359
<v Speaker 1>at rest many of five. All in all, I thought

1558
01:25:09.359 --> 01:25:14.159
<v Speaker 1>this is an interesting event. Mega Powers definitely is the

1559
01:25:14.199 --> 01:25:19.159
<v Speaker 1>marquis the rest possibly filler, and of course you being

1560
01:25:19.159 --> 01:25:21.640
<v Speaker 1>licked by the bushwalkers is my main event. So that's

1561
01:25:21.640 --> 01:25:22.760
<v Speaker 1>just me personal.

1562
01:25:23.039 --> 01:25:26.359
<v Speaker 2>Definitely my highlight of my life. I mean, the world

1563
01:25:26.399 --> 01:25:29.000
<v Speaker 2>can say that they were licked by a bushwhacker and

1564
01:25:29.039 --> 01:25:34.279
<v Speaker 2>I am part of that club. So yeah, it kind

1565
01:25:34.319 --> 01:25:38.560
<v Speaker 2>of uh. I tell you it was not one of

1566
01:25:38.600 --> 01:25:45.439
<v Speaker 2>my favorites. It stands out to me because of Misselmania,

1567
01:25:46.079 --> 01:25:49.239
<v Speaker 2>and I mentioned that, you know, I love being in

1568
01:25:49.279 --> 01:25:51.279
<v Speaker 2>the crowd. I thought I had a lot of fun

1569
01:25:51.800 --> 01:25:56.560
<v Speaker 2>at this event. It was nerve wracking. I mentioned Lady

1570
01:25:56.680 --> 01:25:59.359
<v Speaker 2>with Trump, but at the same time I loved being

1571
01:25:59.720 --> 01:26:04.439
<v Speaker 2>It was a great experience for me as far as

1572
01:26:04.840 --> 01:26:07.880
<v Speaker 2>getting better. I learned a lot from that, and so,

1573
01:26:09.199 --> 01:26:12.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, overall it was I can't say it wasn't

1574
01:26:12.680 --> 01:26:14.600
<v Speaker 2>a great event for me, but at the same time

1575
01:26:14.720 --> 01:26:17.239
<v Speaker 2>was it and history should have be looked at as

1576
01:26:17.279 --> 01:26:21.039
<v Speaker 2>one of the great WrestleManias. I can't really say that,

1577
01:26:21.079 --> 01:26:23.560
<v Speaker 2>but I thought, like I thought that the main event

1578
01:26:23.720 --> 01:26:29.119
<v Speaker 2>was great. I know the Intercontinental matchup was good. I

1579
01:26:29.159 --> 01:26:34.640
<v Speaker 2>loved the Andre and Jake Rockers and stuff. So there

1580
01:26:34.680 --> 01:26:36.720
<v Speaker 2>were some really good matches, just as we said, it

1581
01:26:36.840 --> 01:26:38.960
<v Speaker 2>was just who many of them. I think maybe it

1582
01:26:38.960 --> 01:26:40.760
<v Speaker 2>would have been it would have stood out to me

1583
01:26:41.239 --> 01:26:43.960
<v Speaker 2>overall as an event if there would have been, say,

1584
01:26:44.039 --> 01:26:47.680
<v Speaker 2>seven or eight matches. They didn't need fourteen. That's what

1585
01:26:47.840 --> 01:26:49.239
<v Speaker 2>kind of ruined it for me.

1586
01:26:49.279 --> 01:26:53.039
<v Speaker 1>It's just too much fourteen matches. Yeah, I agree, Megapower

1587
01:26:53.119 --> 01:26:55.319
<v Speaker 1>sticks out as one of the best storylines ever in

1588
01:26:55.399 --> 01:26:59.359
<v Speaker 1>the WWF and WWE history, so up there with the

1589
01:26:59.399 --> 01:27:01.600
<v Speaker 1>best top five storylines of all time. But yeah, the

1590
01:27:01.640 --> 01:27:06.239
<v Speaker 1>event fourteen matches uh, way too many my personal opinion.

1591
01:27:06.279 --> 01:27:08.439
<v Speaker 1>But I bet someone's gonna say this is their favorite

1592
01:27:08.520 --> 01:27:10.359
<v Speaker 1>or this is the first event they ever watched. So

1593
01:27:11.000 --> 01:27:13.399
<v Speaker 1>I just want to say thanks for watching us talk

1594
01:27:13.439 --> 01:27:15.439
<v Speaker 1>about your favorite event or the event you hate the

1595
01:27:15.479 --> 01:27:18.399
<v Speaker 1>most on here in the Golden Era with Sean Mooney.

1596
01:27:19.079 --> 01:27:22.039
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go rewatch you getting licked by the bushwhackers

1597
01:27:22.079 --> 01:27:24.720
<v Speaker 1>right now, So I'm gonna go do that. But all

1598
01:27:24.760 --> 01:27:27.439
<v Speaker 1>in all, thanks again for everyone enjoying us talking about

1599
01:27:27.439 --> 01:27:30.399
<v Speaker 1>this amazing event. Heishell Mooney, I'm see fall, have a

1600
01:27:30.439 --> 01:27:32.840
<v Speaker 1>wonderful day and we'll see you next time. Bye bye.

1601
01:27:34.039 --> 01:27:37.199
<v Speaker 1>It's all tell me you.

1602
01:27:39.159 --> 01:27:43.800
<v Speaker 2>Gotcha? Then, so fantasy step in the Louis Fel history,

1603
01:27:45.800 --> 01:27:46.720
<v Speaker 2>then tell me