Speaker 1: It's w W Roger than the fantasy stack in the
Speaker 1: ring field history. Then tell me Wie from being lit
Speaker 1: by the Bushwhacker to the Mega Powers exploding. We're talking
Speaker 1: about Wrestlemannia five today, mister Mooney. How you doing today?
Speaker 2: Well, you know, the rash still is there, but it
Speaker 2: never quite went away from that experience. And we're going
Speaker 2: to get into it with my pals from down on
Speaker 2: the Bushwhackers. But so much going on, and uh, I
Speaker 2: want to apologize. So it sounds a little KB Is
Speaker 2: that a word? I don't. I just made it up.
Speaker 2: But I'm in my new DAGs who was really excited
Speaker 2: about you know, I've been talking your ear off about it,
Speaker 2: but yes, he has made a big move. And I
Speaker 2: know it's hard to because it's just this, but now
Speaker 2: I'm setting up my own studio so that we can
Speaker 2: just keep creating more great content for everybody out there.
Speaker 2: We have so many big plans, isn't that true, mister Paul.
Speaker 1: Too many big plans to talk about right now. But
Speaker 1: we're talking about WrestleMania five, which is your first Wrestlemanian.
Speaker 1: I really want to talk about that because so far
Speaker 1: we've had four WrestleManias. Now here's the fifth one. You're
Speaker 1: here the first time. What are your feelings going into this?
Speaker 1: Are you excited? Are you nervous? What was happening inside you?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, I was a wreck, I think. And you know,
Speaker 2: it wasn't like it was really my first rodeo as
Speaker 2: far as these big events, but this was WrestleMania and
Speaker 2: it was at the time, you know, just this gigantic
Speaker 2: spectacle and the fact that I was going to be
Speaker 2: part of it was yeah, it was. I really tried
Speaker 2: to keep my head down, just like just get you know,
Speaker 2: do what they tell you, don't do any enforced errors
Speaker 2: if you can help it. And but it did hit
Speaker 2: me that, you know, this was just the greatest event
Speaker 2: I'd ever been a part of, and it was so huge,
Speaker 2: so many matches and so many involved and even though
Speaker 2: it was in a sense, you know, really a small
Speaker 2: venue where we got this in New Jersey of the
Speaker 2: boardwalk in Atlantic City, but it was going to be
Speaker 2: you know, the pay per view audience was out there.
Speaker 2: We knew that was going to be millions of people watching.
Speaker 2: So it was it was gigantic, and it was even
Speaker 2: after everything I'd done at that point, I was, I
Speaker 2: have to you know, looking back, I really was overwhelmed,
Speaker 2: and we had a lot happening. They had seen me
Speaker 2: do stuff outside of the backstage things, so they wanted
Speaker 2: me to do more of that. And that's always, you know,
Speaker 2: a crazy situation because you don't know what's going to happen.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of things are out of your control
Speaker 2: when you're out there in the crowd and doing that
Speaker 2: kind of kind of thing. And but I was excited.
Speaker 2: I mean, you don't get me wrong at all that
Speaker 2: I wasn't. I was thrilled. But you know, there's that
Speaker 2: anxiety and you just hope you never let them see
Speaker 2: a sweat as.
Speaker 1: They say, well, you have a kind of a man
Speaker 1: on a street feel for this entire WrestleMania. So the
Speaker 1: meetings before this mania are they describing, All, Right, Tony Shivanni,
Speaker 1: you're gonna be backstage doing some interviews. But mooney, we're
Speaker 1: gonna send you out there in the wild. What are
Speaker 1: your thoughts about that? Because you're right, these are elements
Speaker 1: you cannot control. Someone jumps in front of you, they're
Speaker 1: in front of you. You can't. It's not backstage where
Speaker 1: the barbarian is going to actually cooperate with you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, absolutely, And you know, it was kind of
Speaker 2: that whole persona that wanted me to have. You wanted that,
Speaker 2: you know, that you know, man in the street, a
Speaker 2: journalist out there just taking in what's happening. And so
Speaker 2: this is where I was really starting to, I guess,
Speaker 2: come into my own in the sense of what my
Speaker 2: place was with the WWF WWE and and so I
Speaker 2: really took that, you know, to heart because you know,
Speaker 2: Tony coming in. I've heard people who live asked me before,
Speaker 2: you know, you guys intimidated or if you would you
Speaker 2: think Tony was there to come in and take your job.
Speaker 2: I mean they always would say things like that, but
Speaker 2: I never ever looked at it like that. And then also,
Speaker 2: you know, Tony was basically a wrestling announcer, a true
Speaker 2: wrestling announcer, and there was anybody who would be concerned
Speaker 2: or something would be somebody from the announced team that
Speaker 2: wasn't my lane. So bringing him in and having him
Speaker 2: become part of the broadcast team, to me was was
Speaker 2: great because it also it gave me more opportunities too. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, don't get me wrong, doing backstage interviews was
Speaker 2: certainly a great part of what I got to be,
Speaker 2: you know, involved in. But the fact that they started
Speaker 2: to you know, experiment and have me go out and
Speaker 2: do things like that, that they trusted me to go
Speaker 2: out there and do that that would create some good
Speaker 2: content for the pay per view was you know, it
Speaker 2: was a big confidence boost for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there is so much going on here because all
Speaker 1: hands on Deckie. You got Gorilla and Jeff Commentary. He
Speaker 1: got Tony Schiavanni. Backstage, you got Mean Jean. He got
Speaker 1: you in the field, Lord Alfred Hayes. They keep cutting
Speaker 1: to him with he was part of the Rustmania brunch.
Speaker 1: He was part of the five K run with mister Fuji. Like,
Speaker 1: everyone is involved here, but I really want to take
Speaker 1: a deep dive into what you're doing because the first
Speaker 1: time we see you here, you're interviewing, you're in the
Speaker 1: crowd talking about how the Bushwackers just beat the Fabulous
Speaker 1: Rougos and they man handled you. I took a video
Speaker 1: of the eyesight laugh and I sent it to you
Speaker 1: last night, and they're grabbing you, pulling out your nose,
Speaker 1: licking you. What is that?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: I know, in today's world. We're so cautious of saliva
Speaker 1: because of COVID before he ended nineteen eighty nine, are like,
Speaker 1: let's just get in there, get in your ears.
Speaker 2: Well, it was part of their I know, I think
Speaker 2: they were going to mess with me. They told me
Speaker 2: they were going to come down and but to the
Speaker 2: extent ofment and I know that Vince just love telling them,
Speaker 2: like really give it to them, you know, just just
Speaker 2: go and it would be you know it was it
Speaker 2: wasn't just you know they would it just wouldn't end.
Speaker 2: I mean they would come back and they're licking my
Speaker 2: head and then you know, oh, we got to get
Speaker 2: better that, you know, like that, And it was just
Speaker 2: crazy that that's what they were doing. And hold on,
Speaker 2: I've got some wild animals. I don't know if that's
Speaker 2: it's not.
Speaker 1: The bushwalkers back to lick you.
Speaker 2: No, they're not. But the thing about you know they're
Speaker 2: coming down and you see the shot, which is a
Speaker 2: great one. You know that the fact that they've got.
Speaker 1: Those dog boys, they're fans.
Speaker 2: That's going to be a jump cut. But the fact
Speaker 2: that you see that the shot that they had was
Speaker 2: just so good because it's it's that big, long, carpet
Speaker 2: shot down the way, you know, down the way, and uh,
Speaker 2: and you see them coming and I'm interacting with the
Speaker 2: fans or whatever, and then you just see them coming
Speaker 2: and then they go by and then they just grab me.
Speaker 2: You know. It's like Malmi and I got along really
Speaker 2: well with the Bushwhackers. I love those guys. We had
Speaker 2: kind of a kinship because they were rugby players and
Speaker 2: I played rugby in college. Uh and so that kind
Speaker 2: of got me in with them because we would talk
Speaker 2: rugby all the time. So uh, you know, we were
Speaker 2: we had a really good relationship and what And for
Speaker 2: them to do that, it was like they knew, okay,
Speaker 2: you know, mooney will be fun. Uh And and I
Speaker 2: had lived from some lines there. I think I said
Speaker 2: to Grillo, do you ever have a dog that really
Speaker 2: liked you yet? And then as I'm wrapping it up,
Speaker 2: I say, guys, I'm going to go find a towel
Speaker 2: and a brush. You know, it's because my hair was
Speaker 2: all a skew, but it was you know, it was
Speaker 2: very cool. I mean to be you know, to be
Speaker 2: part of that that gimmick. What I have preferred not
Speaker 2: to have a man licking my face it's not the
Speaker 2: greatest experience, but it's it's a bit that people still
Speaker 2: tell me about, you know, how much how funny they
Speaker 2: thought that was. And like I said, I knew that
Speaker 2: in the back. And when they told the boys and
Speaker 2: I don't know Pat and Vince, you know, they had
Speaker 2: this bizarre sense of humor. I'm sure they told him
Speaker 2: give it to him, you know, like just just go
Speaker 2: over the top with it, and they did, you know,
Speaker 2: and stay before we really dive into this, because what
Speaker 2: made me think about this event, you know, he said, Alfred,
Speaker 2: you know, being involved in the brunch and you know
Speaker 2: all that they had a five k run and this
Speaker 2: was one of those events where you know, it was
Speaker 2: really you see it today, everything's a fans best, you know,
Speaker 2: they have some kinds of stuff going on with these
Speaker 2: events that take place. But for me, it was ahead
Speaker 2: of its time. You had never really seen this become
Speaker 2: you know, so much of a multiple events, you know,
Speaker 2: days prior to people, you know, the how do we
Speaker 2: get people already involved instead of just the day of
Speaker 2: the event. And so we had all of these you know,
Speaker 2: the panels with the guys, and we had that five
Speaker 2: k run and then we had you know, food set
Speaker 2: up and they had vendors come in and so it
Speaker 2: was really good I think at the beginning. And maybe
Speaker 2: some of this had gone on before with other outfits.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I just remember it being this
Speaker 2: gigantic event that wasn't just WrestleMania. It wasn't just the
Speaker 2: you know, the event, the restling event. And you know,
Speaker 2: I did some stuff with a bunch of things. I
Speaker 2: you know, part of my main job there was hosting things.
Speaker 2: I hosted panels, I went down to meet with fans
Speaker 2: and uh, you know, all kinds of stuff. And I
Speaker 2: was part of that run to the five K thing.
Speaker 2: I remember that there was this box in my hotel
Speaker 2: room and it had you know, this was before anybody
Speaker 2: wore this kind of stuff, and they had with like leggings.
Speaker 2: I remember the first thing I said when I went
Speaker 2: down there. It was in front of this crowd and
Speaker 2: it was you know, pretty chilly that day, and I said,
Speaker 2: you know what, do I feel like I forgot my pants?
Speaker 2: You know it was because they had me wearing this
Speaker 2: ridiculous outfit, you know, and I that's another thing, and
Speaker 2: that was a rib too. I think now everybody wears them,
Speaker 2: but I was, you know, I had a brand newcare
Speaker 2: of sneakers. They gave me in this WrestleMania sweatshirt or whatever.
Speaker 2: But you know, but overall, it was really setting the
Speaker 2: stage of what these events would become. Not just you know,
Speaker 2: show up and watch three hours of wrestling. It was
Speaker 2: it became, you know, destination to bring the family and
Speaker 2: stay for a few days and be a part because
Speaker 2: they had all kinds of things going on and it
Speaker 2: was just another way to create a revenue but also
Speaker 2: create the hype or there was a lot more than
Speaker 2: just sitting in that arena and watching all that exciting
Speaker 2: action in the ring. It's great.
Speaker 1: That's interesting you say that because it's so hard to
Speaker 1: find video of any of these things, like the panels,
Speaker 1: because it wasn't part of the programming. It wasn't on
Speaker 1: Coliseum video, it wasn't. It would show you maybe a
Speaker 1: blip like, oh, there it is, there's like a still
Speaker 1: shot of it. But when you're hosting these these q
Speaker 1: and as, like when you're eating breakfast with a wrestleer,
Speaker 1: like what is actually happening? Are we all just eating
Speaker 1: in quiet? Or the fans are talking to the bushwhackers
Speaker 1: as they're shoving pancakes down their throat.
Speaker 2: No, mostly it would be they'd come in and they'd
Speaker 2: have so it was a breakfast for example, people would
Speaker 2: come in and they'd eat, and then you know, one
Speaker 2: of us would go out and we work the crowd.
Speaker 2: And then it's, you know, at the point where everybody
Speaker 2: was kind of done eating whatever, we march, you know,
Speaker 2: six or seven of the guys out and have you
Speaker 2: know the big tables set up with microphones like the
Speaker 2: press conference. Yeah, and you know, I go out and
Speaker 2: roam in the crowd with a microphone, which wasn't real
Speaker 2: easy because we didn't have the wireless mics really back. Oh,
Speaker 2: so you know it kind of you set up a
Speaker 2: little area over and they bring guys over, they stand
Speaker 2: in line, and then they could ask the question. But
Speaker 2: I just thought it was just so innovative. I you know, ahead,
Speaker 2: like I said, ahead of its time of what we're
Speaker 2: seeing now, which is you know, pretty much exactly that.
Speaker 2: But as I've mentioned many times before in events, one
Speaker 2: thing that was brilliant about him and the team is
Speaker 2: that they brought in people that really knew how to
Speaker 2: advertise and promote big admits they didn't depend on you know,
Speaker 2: wrestling acts that had been around forever, promoting events where
Speaker 2: you went and made flyers up and spread them around
Speaker 2: the town or something. You know. These guys were big
Speaker 2: time New York advertising agency experience people that came in
Speaker 2: and said, hey, what about this? And Vince was all
Speaker 2: over it. I mean he loved it.
Speaker 1: Really Yeah, no, he again, he gets a lot of
Speaker 1: credit for a lot of great things he did. And
Speaker 1: one of the things he's talking about roaming around. You
Speaker 1: get sent to the nosebleed section of the arena, You
Speaker 1: go all the way up and you interview these two guys.
Speaker 1: These two guys clearly have been drinking, because you're like,
Speaker 1: how's the show going? He said, Jake Check's the best. Jake,
Speaker 1: Jake's the best. And you said, oh, I guess we're
Speaker 1: not going to get muchut of that guy, and you
Speaker 1: just immediately get out of there. Again, how long does
Speaker 1: it take to get from the floor being licked by
Speaker 1: the butshwhackers all the way to the top of the arena.
Speaker 2: Well, it wasn't so much the transportation. I think, you know,
Speaker 2: it wasn't a real big arena. But when you mentioned
Speaker 2: about going to the nose bleed and I you know,
Speaker 2: I'd done stuff like that before and Vince loved it.
Speaker 2: And it's kind of like one of those things that
Speaker 2: you go, oh, you know, boy, that one damn it
Speaker 2: because you never knew what was going to happen in
Speaker 2: that situation where you know, like you mentioned that guy
Speaker 2: that was you know, you don't just go and just
Speaker 2: random some idiot, you know, like you talk before before,
Speaker 2: just kind of you know, to say, Okay, this guy
Speaker 2: will be good. You know, he could tell after you
Speaker 2: have a little bit of a conversation, you say, you
Speaker 2: want to say something, you want to come on, you know,
Speaker 2: and uh, and this guy was being very coherent. I thought, okay,
Speaker 2: he he's going to be good good And then and
Speaker 2: then I don't know if it was said you know
Speaker 2: right or you know, breeze or and that's the only
Speaker 2: thing he could come out of his mouth. But then
Speaker 2: you're like, I'm like, you know, thanks a lot. I mean,
Speaker 2: I had I thought you're going to do one thing,
Speaker 2: and then you went somewhere else not helping. But but
Speaker 2: the the idea that you're up there and you're around
Speaker 2: that crowd that they it doesn't it's not so much
Speaker 2: more people say, it's just people being brought in and
Speaker 2: felt like they're there, and then you're in there with
Speaker 2: them and getting that feel of what it's like to
Speaker 2: be sitting in those seats. That was my mission, and
Speaker 2: I think we always accomplished that. It didn't It was
Speaker 2: one of those things that really nothing could go wrong.
Speaker 2: I remember, you know a few other times where you
Speaker 2: know you'd be there, and this has always been true
Speaker 2: no matter what you're covering. But as soon as you
Speaker 2: know they have they keep the lights down, you know,
Speaker 2: until it's time to do the shot to the hit,
Speaker 2: and then the lights come up and it is it's
Speaker 2: like the mock the plane and people see it and
Speaker 2: they brought dross everybody's attention to it, and then they're
Speaker 2: you're hoping, and I remember they had a couple of
Speaker 2: security people up there where well because you don't know,
Speaker 2: you can't have people running in. You don't know who's
Speaker 2: around there. They could just jump into the shot or whatever.
Speaker 2: But you know, you don't stand chance when there's you've
Speaker 2: got fifty people that want to get in front of
Speaker 2: a camera. This two guys aren't going to stop them.
Speaker 2: And I remember There were a few times and it
Speaker 2: wasn't I'm not at this event where we did that
Speaker 2: and I would start doing it and then suddenly you
Speaker 2: just see me just kind of disappear, you know. You know.
Speaker 2: Uh So that was always that was always the variable
Speaker 2: out there. You didn't really know what was going to
Speaker 2: happen when it was live like that, but there was
Speaker 2: just an excitement to it that you know. I loved
Speaker 2: doing that. I loved being out there. I loved when
Speaker 2: they gave me a time to go interview a celebrity
Speaker 2: in the crowd or you know whatever it was, because
Speaker 2: it was it really did I felt brought people into
Speaker 2: it and gave them an idea of what it was
Speaker 2: like if you were actually there then that day, you know,
Speaker 2: while it was going on, and you know, I think
Speaker 2: it was a really great part of it. Other than
Speaker 2: just the backstage you know interviews.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I added a whole different element. But you know,
Speaker 1: you did mention that you are You're in the crowd
Speaker 1: right before Hogan and Savage and you're like, let's do
Speaker 1: a poll, Let's do a pole. That'sk a poll, and
Speaker 1: that's when a couple of dudes just jump in and
Speaker 1: you get handsy like you. You push those dudes right
Speaker 1: out of the way, and god damn it, Moody, that's right,
Speaker 1: get hit those assholes out of the way. You need
Speaker 1: to get your shit in.
Speaker 2: I loved it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you gotta do that? Security wasn't doing their jobs,
Speaker 1: but you did interview you know, uh, future President Donald
Speaker 1: Trump here and he I don't think he knows what
Speaker 1: to say when you're asking him questions, because when you
Speaker 1: start talking about him talking to him, he doesn't really
Speaker 1: know what to say. He just keeps saying, it's an
Speaker 1: amazing show. I'm glad people are here.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Oh the you ask about the castina out, He's saying,
Speaker 1: it's full. What was the atmosphere like for you? Are
Speaker 1: you prepped to ask him? Are you giving questions like, hey,
Speaker 1: make sure you mentioned the boardwalk, make sure you mentioned
Speaker 1: this what's going on before you talk to him?
Speaker 2: No? I never had didn't get a chance to talk
Speaker 2: to him at all before. It was just go go
Speaker 2: talk to him. You weren't going to get a chance
Speaker 2: to rehearse, you know. And I don't think Donald Trump's
Speaker 2: ever rehearsed anything in his life. He just does it.
Speaker 2: And uh, you know, it's like, oh, it's great event,
Speaker 2: the greatest thing, you know, uh and so but uh
Speaker 2: and I've I've mentioned this before. It still remains one
Speaker 2: of the worst live interviews I think I ever did.
Speaker 2: And probably somebody may argue, but it was the uh
Speaker 2: I was. I was a wreck. I mean, and I
Speaker 2: had to you know, the old ear piece thing, and
Speaker 2: it wasn't you know, now I have a fit in
Speaker 2: one that's not going to pop into my ear, but
Speaker 2: it was one of these things that they hand you
Speaker 2: and it had like the big hok on it that
Speaker 2: went over your ear and then it was huge it
Speaker 2: popped out, you know. Yeah, so I didn't really couldn't
Speaker 2: hear the queue and and I'm like flustered and I
Speaker 2: think I called I stumbled over his name and you know,
Speaker 2: just ah, yeah that that still remains. It's haunted me forever.
Speaker 2: And then the guy has to become president.
Speaker 1: You know, right, so then you pop up randomly constantly.
Speaker 2: Yeah. People said, if you haven't see the picture, there's
Speaker 2: the interview. And whenever I go to, uh, you know,
Speaker 2: do one of these signings, and and some of them
Speaker 2: it won't just be my head shot. They'll have they've
Speaker 2: got very creative over here is finding these images, so
Speaker 2: it'll be me, uh Marandy Savage and you know, all
Speaker 2: these different great shots and then me and Donald uh
Speaker 2: Trump and uh and so it's just that, yeah, that's
Speaker 2: that's the one. And and I've been I'm like, I said,
Speaker 2: oh my god, it's like, I can't believe you're telling
Speaker 2: you ask me this way, but it is. It's being
Speaker 2: an honest person. I have to say that was the
Speaker 2: worst that I ever did live. I got better. I
Speaker 2: definitely got better, but they have to have it happen
Speaker 2: with with Donald Trump. It was something to stay with
Speaker 2: me forever. And and the fact that the guy's all
Speaker 2: over the place and comes up, but it was it
Speaker 2: was definitely memorable, no question about it.
Speaker 1: There you go memorable. We'll say we'll keep it. We'll
Speaker 1: keep it at that. But yeah, when I watch it,
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, he got this giant like this was
Speaker 1: your earpiece, Like yep, so we are who I'm like,
Speaker 1: why it's so big.
Speaker 2: And it's like it's like hanging. It's like it's not
Speaker 2: even to day. It looks like it popped out and
Speaker 2: I don't know what I'm doing. And yeah, and it's chaos.
Speaker 2: You know that it's very loud, and you that thing
Speaker 2: was worthless. I couldn't hear what the hell was going on.
Speaker 2: I think that I don't even think that. It was
Speaker 2: like through my ear they told me to go. I
Speaker 2: think the camera guy, I like tell him to talk now,
Speaker 2: you know now. But it's part of it. That's you know,
Speaker 2: that's part of the excitement. You never, that's why we
Speaker 2: do it. It's crazy. We're massacrests, you know. But I've
Speaker 2: always been proud of the fact that on all the
Speaker 2: things I've done in my career, whenever I had to
Speaker 2: stand up in front of a camera and that light
Speaker 2: went on, as they say, I went, I've never you know,
Speaker 2: you know, I always found a way to dance and
Speaker 2: get through it. And that means always, you know, that's
Speaker 2: a true test you That's what I always say to
Speaker 2: people that you the answer the call. You know, when
Speaker 2: you get up there, you find a way. And I've
Speaker 2: spent my life and still to the day, doing live television.
Speaker 2: It's crazy.
Speaker 1: Well, I think the sardine smell from the bushwhackers messed
Speaker 1: with your brain, and that's what happened with you and
Speaker 1: Donald Trump. That's just The facts are facts, all right, folks.
Speaker 1: That's it's science, baby, it's science. Let's talk about the
Speaker 1: event though, because before this event, there's actually counter programming
Speaker 1: going on with Ted Turner on TBS. They're trying to
Speaker 1: compete because we are in a war, folks, we are
Speaker 1: in a war of counter programming with the Royal Rumble
Speaker 1: being invented to count of program other events and now
Speaker 1: here we are it's Rick Flayer versus Ricky Steinbo on
Speaker 1: the other channel, free on TBS. How angry do you
Speaker 1: think Vince McMahon is because he has pulled this on
Speaker 1: Jim Crockett. Now someone is pulling this on him.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure that Vince wasn't happy. But see that's
Speaker 2: what that's what juiced him. I mean, he loved the fight.
Speaker 2: And you know it wasn't just this rufflemania. This whole
Speaker 2: thing had God on only it was this big fight
Speaker 2: because Turner had a big sway when it came to
Speaker 2: cable and in the pay per view operators. He was
Speaker 2: he was a big player, so he did have some
Speaker 2: influence and I know Vince cut rates to undermine him,
Speaker 2: and it was this corporate war, and I think that
Speaker 2: Vince when it came down, he loved it. When you know,
Speaker 2: that's what made him get up every day, is to
Speaker 2: beat people and to come out on top. And so
Speaker 2: I don't know if it was he had the anger.
Speaker 2: I think it was all right, let's go, let's see
Speaker 2: what we can we can do to to to beat
Speaker 2: them in this, and it was it was all kinds
Speaker 2: of stuff going on. Remember they had, you know, the
Speaker 2: three hour special thing that vade them that we did
Speaker 2: face to face. I think it was with when they
Speaker 2: had all the guys there and Vince hosted this thing,
Speaker 2: and that was to counter their program building up to this.
Speaker 2: So there was a there was. It was. It wasn't
Speaker 2: just this one event. This was and I think they
Speaker 2: even they had a eight hundred number, which you remember
Speaker 2: back then that was a big thing that people would
Speaker 2: get on and and you know, mom and dadou get
Speaker 2: the bill like, what.
Speaker 1: The f who did you call?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Two hundred dollars? Yeah, but I think they ran
Speaker 2: that during the event to call call this eight hundred
Speaker 2: number and find out what's what the restaurant on any
Speaker 2: of results are, so, uh, you know, it was it
Speaker 2: was a It was a war. It really was that
Speaker 2: to see who had come out on top. And I
Speaker 2: think when it came right down to it, Vince loved it.
Speaker 2: He loved mixing it up and had you know. Sure,
Speaker 2: there were times, you know, when Turner might have got
Speaker 2: the best of them that day and he was angered,
Speaker 2: but all that did was drive the guy even harder.
Speaker 2: So I think in the end of it, I think
Speaker 2: he enjoyed it. I think he enjoyed the war. I
Speaker 2: really do.
Speaker 1: It's true because, yeah, the Royal Rumbles created Survivor series.
Speaker 1: He's created to counter program you know, Jim Crockett and
Speaker 1: counter program ted Turners. Eventually with time keep a Google
Speaker 1: going on. So yeah, I think Vince, you're right. I
Speaker 1: think he loves the war. Like when the Monday Night
Speaker 1: Wars ended, might have he might have been like, damn,
Speaker 1: well that was fun and who am I going to
Speaker 1: fight now? Just just I guess the world. But yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right about that. They the WWF paid to have
Speaker 1: a nine hundred number play during Clash of the Champions
Speaker 1: Rick Flayer versus Ricky Steamboat to make sure you could
Speaker 1: find out do you know who won the Dino Bravo
Speaker 1: match or do you know who Megapowers won that match
Speaker 1: like that is. I see it still today when you
Speaker 1: watch WE or aw C commercial pop up, you're like, damn, damn,
Speaker 1: I can't believe they're still doing this well.
Speaker 2: And it's and you know, it's just that, you know,
Speaker 2: not that it was going to make a huge difference,
Speaker 2: but it was just you know, another jab. You know
Speaker 2: that they did that, you know, purposely did that during
Speaker 2: their event, and the w CW did the same thing.
Speaker 2: They it was back and forth to see who you
Speaker 2: get the best of the other. You know, that's and
Speaker 2: look like you said, because of all that, that's all
Speaker 2: these other great vvents were created. And if that, if that,
Speaker 2: they wouldn't have had that, maybe wouldn't we wouldn't be
Speaker 2: seeing all that. If they wouldn't have had that, that
Speaker 2: competition wouldn't have taken professional wrestling to the heights that
Speaker 2: it eventually went to. So it was all really, I mean,
Speaker 2: when it came down to that, that competition, it was
Speaker 2: all for the benefit of professional wrestling, no doubt about it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then another big thing with this event is Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: Obviously it's Trump Plaza. We are at his location. Wrestlman
Speaker 1: A four was also here. Back to back arenas, which
Speaker 1: has never happened in the w F at least. But
Speaker 1: yet here we have this big argument about satellites because
Speaker 1: Vince he wants to cut the sidelllites out because he's
Speaker 1: afraid if you go to a bar, there's two hundred
Speaker 1: people in that bar. Okay, well now they get to
Speaker 1: watch the event without having to pay for it. Trump's like, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: we need these satellite companies because I want people to
Speaker 1: see how great this place is. Come come here, come
Speaker 1: to the casino. Isn't always a constant problem. I know
Speaker 1: the NFL has this issue where you have to buy
Speaker 1: a package to play games inside of a bar because again,
Speaker 1: you're losing viewers if you jam pack your place. What
Speaker 1: do you did you ever have this discussion with anyone
Speaker 1: about how you know pirrating is really just airing it
Speaker 1: for a bunch of people to watch.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know there are two arguments there. You
Speaker 2: just laid it out that, Yeah, sure, like Vince wanted
Speaker 2: it to be paid for in every single home and
Speaker 2: not give it away where you could have, you know,
Speaker 2: venues where you could put a lot of people in.
Speaker 2: But there's also the argument of you know, the more
Speaker 2: people who see it, the more your product the scene,
Speaker 2: and more people will want it. The guy next year,
Speaker 2: might you know or the next pay per view, it's
Speaker 2: going to say, hey, man, I'm going to have my
Speaker 2: own pay per view party at my house. So you know,
Speaker 2: if they don't see it, they don't know it, they
Speaker 2: don't know the product. So there's the two arguments there.
Speaker 2: I think that Vince wanting to cut out those satellites,
Speaker 2: and this is my opinion back then, I was my
Speaker 2: My feeling was, let get more and more people to
Speaker 2: see it, and then they're going to want to pay
Speaker 2: for it down the road. You know, it may not
Speaker 2: be an immediate what you want, but you're going to
Speaker 2: get more. You're going to have more people see it.
Speaker 2: Somebody may be in that bar and didn't go there
Speaker 2: to see Wrestledania, but they've got it on and you're
Speaker 2: they're like, man, this is freaking awesome. Man, I'm going
Speaker 2: to tell my friends how freaking awesome this is because
Speaker 2: I just, you know, just caught it. So that was
Speaker 2: my feeling. Get many people because we were still in
Speaker 2: the infancy of it, so why not give it away?
Speaker 2: That's that's kind of basic business of you know when
Speaker 2: you want to sell a product, well give it to
Speaker 2: them where it's that hard to reach in the pocket
Speaker 2: for it. And so I was I didn't understand the
Speaker 2: logic of you know, no, no, we got it already.
Speaker 2: They're cutting it off. They're cutting off other people who
Speaker 2: could see it, like get as many people as you
Speaker 2: possibly can. Yes, Yes, it's like two different arguments for that.
Speaker 2: I was on the other side of it.
Speaker 1: You know, years ago, I lived in Florida, and so
Speaker 1: I had to say, go, I didn't have pay per
Speaker 1: view in my college dorm, so I would go to
Speaker 1: Hooters and I would pay like twenty bucks just to
Speaker 1: get in to watch wrestling in twenty three, Like I
Speaker 1: remember that exactly, because again, they had a contract. They
Speaker 1: weren't just going to give this out. And so the
Speaker 1: ww obviously has cracked down over the years, but at
Speaker 1: least then they were Trump was like, hey man, let's
Speaker 1: let's get everyone to see this, because they'll see your product,
Speaker 1: they'll see my product. We're all making more money because
Speaker 1: more eyeballs on the product. So but you know, at
Speaker 1: one point seven million dollars at the gate beating Slomania three.
Speaker 1: And I love the aesthetics of this event too, because
Speaker 1: you have these weird, like not Christmas lights, but there
Speaker 1: are these weird, droopy lights that hang everywhere in the
Speaker 1: arena and you don't really see that very often. I
Speaker 1: just thought it's a it's a weird look. And the security.
Speaker 1: Here's a big question for you, is I personally feel
Speaker 1: like when you have an entrance ramp that's like this small,
Speaker 1: the wrestler has to be in the middle and you
Speaker 1: have security all around them, it ruins I don't know
Speaker 1: the feeling of watching it because you're just seeing all
Speaker 1: these yellow shirts cover your wrestlers because fans are too
Speaker 1: close and they can grab you. Dude, do you think
Speaker 1: wrestlers enjoy I don't think being grabbed at, but they
Speaker 1: like the atmosphere of being closer or further away from fans.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a there's a thought on that too. It
Speaker 2: was and I know that I you know, looking at
Speaker 2: the wide shots of the arena and it just it
Speaker 2: looks small, and I think, yeah, because we've kind of
Speaker 2: gotten used to seeing these giant arena almost state you know,
Speaker 2: stadium like events, and so it seemed, you know, kind
Speaker 2: of like a small TV taping in some sense. But
Speaker 2: at the same time, when you've got that many people
Speaker 2: in a small area and they're just jammed and packed,
Speaker 2: it does create that feeling of, you know, everybody wants
Speaker 2: to see this. As far as the security goes, I
Speaker 2: liked that as far as because I think it kind
Speaker 2: of created like boxing, you know, when the heavyweights come
Speaker 2: out and then he's got the security team and people
Speaker 2: are on tom and it just shows, you know, like
Speaker 2: how big of an event this is. And I think
Speaker 2: that that had something to do with it too, the
Speaker 2: fact that Vince, you know, wanted a ton of security guys,
Speaker 2: and it really was it seemed like they just lined
Speaker 2: the whole way right and they're going along with you know,
Speaker 2: macho man when he comes in, and so I like that.
Speaker 2: I think it really kind of created this this excitement
Speaker 2: of a big fight, and I know that that's what
Speaker 2: they wanted to do there. And uh, you know, Trump
Speaker 2: had posted many events like that, so I think that
Speaker 2: some of that advice came from him, uh you know,
Speaker 2: telling this because I'm sure that that was a discussion of.
Speaker 3: Saying, you know, the damn railings, that's how close you know,
Speaker 3: maybe they said, you know, you know what, that's not
Speaker 3: such a bad thing because like it's like people they
Speaker 3: want to get them, you know, they they want to
Speaker 3: tear them apart, or they want to you know, they
Speaker 3: want to pat him on the back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think that that. I liked that part
Speaker 2: and I really did it created kind of this big
Speaker 2: fight feel. What was really interesting too, though, is why
Speaker 2: did Randy go to the ring first and then we're
Speaker 2: going to get into that main event? But uh, you know, Randy,
Speaker 2: it was the champion. In most big fights, you get
Speaker 2: the chader in there and then you have the champion
Speaker 2: come in, but the haulkster and to the entrance. So
Speaker 2: it didn't foretell what was the head. I don't know,
Speaker 2: but I I just think that, uh, when you're doing
Speaker 2: stuff like that, stick to the stick to the bank,
Speaker 2: you like, do it. There's going to be a big fight.
Speaker 2: Make it that big fight, make it that do it
Speaker 2: the right way. So interesting. I love that, you know,
Speaker 2: you love that when you love that idea that bulks
Speaker 2: of there. He's you know, waiting and waiting for the mato.
Speaker 2: He's like like the challenger.
Speaker 1: Yeah he's here, is the challenger? Yeah yeah, right, you
Speaker 1: should wait on him.
Speaker 2: But I diagre. We'll get into that, yes, But as
Speaker 2: far as the whole security team thing, I I was
Speaker 2: a big fan of it. I thought that was great.
Speaker 2: It created that that big you know, that big fight
Speaker 2: field for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I I love it. And the opening of
Speaker 1: this Restuman it comes with sexy saxophone music running and
Speaker 1: then you see the megapowers explode, and again I love
Speaker 1: I love it because so far all these restumans have
Speaker 1: had themes to you know, bigger, bad or better. You know,
Speaker 1: we have ultimate challenge later on stars and stripes, mega
Speaker 1: powers explode. To me, it's like watching a movie. We
Speaker 1: have a narrative, what are we here for? Are we here?
Speaker 1: Immediately to know the mega powers are going to explode?
Speaker 1: So I know I did like that part of it.
Speaker 1: But the starting of this is rock and Robin, who
Speaker 1: is the WWF Women's champion at the time, seeing the
Speaker 1: national anthem. So she's a champion, but she does not
Speaker 1: wrestle on the car. She sings because she's a rockin
Speaker 1: and Jesse Ventra berries her singing immediately and says, she
Speaker 1: bet us stick to her day job.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what argue with them on that one? No?
Speaker 1: But Jesse and throw up the commentary is hilarious, you know, and.
Speaker 2: I have to say, yeah, yes, and I think you know,
Speaker 2: gene oakerland version was better. He and he'd say that
Speaker 2: trips me, but that's another story because you know he
Speaker 2: was he was a lound singer at an album. We
Speaker 2: we we do the gen what we do with the
Speaker 2: Gama off to play? Yes? Uh anyway, Uh yeah, you
Speaker 2: think they could mean they should like to have her
Speaker 2: do a dark match, you know, I think it was
Speaker 2: a big diss. But of course back then female wrestling
Speaker 2: was not you know what it is today by any stretch.
Speaker 2: And but I did think I was like, am I
Speaker 2: just she's a champion? Really? I mean, we went that
Speaker 2: far to have a champion? Well, let her have a match,
Speaker 2: but no, just let her do the anthem. I hear
Speaker 2: she sings.
Speaker 1: And that's the shocking part too. Is supposed to it's
Speaker 1: it's supposed to be about celebrities. We've had Bob Buker,
Speaker 1: We've had so many different people of the years, Muhammad Ali, Lamarachi,
Speaker 1: mister t. We couldn't get someone to sing in the beginning.
Speaker 1: We got our own wrestler because we want to maybe
Speaker 1: pay someone else. Well, we have rocking Robin. She's a rocker, right, well, no,
Speaker 1: that's just her her gimmicks, sir, that's her gimmick. You know,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't send Jake to be a vet because he
Speaker 1: has a snake with him. But that's uh, that's how
Speaker 1: we start this event off. And you know some were
Speaker 1: talking about music. What were you saying?
Speaker 2: Frank was busy. Frank Sinactra was busy. That's the reason that.
Speaker 1: He was busy. Still running that five K run.
Speaker 2: I don't understand why.
Speaker 1: Another Want Want Want moment.
Speaker 2: Is mister I think, mister yeah, I think how great
Speaker 2: would it have been if mister Pogi saying national anthem?
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, it could have been better. Poor
Speaker 1: rocking Robin still still alive, Still alive, Jake to snak
Speaker 1: sister Sam Houston's sister. Yes she's still around. Though she's
Speaker 1: still around. Another Want Want Want music moment is on
Speaker 1: DMC coming out and seeing the WrestleMania rap. Bro I
Speaker 1: just did a vincerousso but bro, I watched that last
Speaker 1: night the first time forever. They should have not they
Speaker 1: should delete that, they should have never re aired that.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Like they've removed matches from Coliseum video releases.
Speaker 1: This should be removed from the archive. That's my personal opinion.
Speaker 1: And if you have them there, why don't you have
Speaker 1: them wrap the national anthem or something?
Speaker 2: Well, why not? You know, it was just just the
Speaker 2: wrong crowd. I think. I don't think. I think, you
Speaker 2: know hip indeed, Yeah, he was trying, you know, to
Speaker 2: be with it and to let people know, yeah, we're
Speaker 2: we're there, we're right when we know what's going on.
Speaker 2: Were finger on the pulse? But yeah, I didn't did
Speaker 2: not go over well, it was just say it's a
Speaker 2: part of church. I think it kind of was just
Speaker 2: like people were you know, it's weird because right and
Speaker 2: listeners like was It wasn't booze or anything's just like
Speaker 2: no reaction. It was just kind of people. We could
Speaker 2: hear people talking and yeah it was I don't think
Speaker 2: people were quite ready for that.
Speaker 1: No. No. And also another want want want moment here
Speaker 1: for me personally is brother love and personating Roddy Piper.
Speaker 1: Morton Downey Junior appears and him and Piper talk forever
Speaker 1: eventually at least to a fire extinguisher moment and ha
Speaker 1: ha ha ha and Robert excuse me not Robert Downey junior.
Speaker 1: Morton Downey Junior. He was, you know, the Jerry Springer
Speaker 1: at the time, having a talk show where he would
Speaker 1: say really crazy things. And that's why he's here because
Speaker 1: he's saying crazy things. And they have WF has the
Speaker 1: finger on the Pulse of America right now and he's
Speaker 1: part of it. What do you think of that segment
Speaker 1: because to me, it just felt like it went forever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, way too long. And Roddy was not not
Speaker 2: a fan guy. You know, when Roddy didn't like you
Speaker 2: and he didn't like work Downey Junior. I think he
Speaker 2: just thought he was, you know, a gripter and he
Speaker 2: gave it to him pretty good man, especially with that,
Speaker 2: you know, because Martin Downey Jr. The whole ship with
Speaker 2: him was he was this chain smoker. He was always
Speaker 2: had a cigarette in his mouth, and so the whole
Speaker 2: thing was yeah, and I think he flicks the cigarette
Speaker 2: or something into Roddy or and then Roddy pulls out
Speaker 2: the fire extinguisher and uh, you know, you watch that thing.
Speaker 2: He just really blasted him and then blasted him again
Speaker 2: and like in his face and between the legs and uh, yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: you want to do that and you, like you said,
Speaker 2: it was kind of like this timely thing. He was,
Speaker 2: you know, a big shock television guy. But come on,
Speaker 2: like it didn't have to be what was it the
Speaker 2: thirty five minutes long.
Speaker 1: It's just I think you think I think you're right.
Speaker 1: I think it was along in the main event.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think it was much, but it
Speaker 2: seemed like it and it was just another one of
Speaker 2: those thumb gimmick things. So yeah, okay, get out, get
Speaker 2: out of the way. I always thought that stuff was
Speaker 2: so stupid, but yeah, I just think this WrestleMania show
Speaker 2: that we could get somebody like that to come in,
Speaker 2: but it was Yeah, the star power was not right
Speaker 2: for this one.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say that. Yeah, I was gonna say
Speaker 1: over the years, you've had so many people come in
Speaker 1: as celebrities for these WrestleManias and they hit it right
Speaker 1: out of the park. They were amazing. And then this
Speaker 1: group of people I feel like they were you said,
Speaker 1: finger on the pulse. All these people are Parker, Let's
Speaker 1: bring them in. Yeah, but well they fit to what
Speaker 1: we're doing. Do they know what we're doing? Oh no,
Speaker 1: they don't care. They just want to get paid and
Speaker 1: they're happy to come for money. Oh well, okay, then
Speaker 1: maybe the kids will like it.
Speaker 2: No, there's nothing more. And what the million dollar man
Speaker 2: says that everybody has has his price, and as we
Speaker 2: that was proven. It has been proven time and time
Speaker 2: again with the w w E that yeah, everybody does
Speaker 2: their price. Yes quick, this is true, and you are
Speaker 2: you crazy? I would never do how much? Oh when when?
Speaker 2: Let me get that on the calendar.
Speaker 1: Check but check clear.
Speaker 2: How dare you ask me to do such a how
Speaker 2: much money? Yeah?
Speaker 1: You want to flick cigarettes at Roddy Piper, I'll be there.
Speaker 2: Everybody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, this is very true. And you know the
Speaker 1: first matchup Hercules was King Haku. Really nothing there, just
Speaker 1: a hoss fight. We get to the Twin Towers versus
Speaker 1: the Rockers, and I actually really love this match because
Speaker 1: this is the way that each team looked. You have
Speaker 1: the high flyers, your powerhouses. According to rumors, Shawn Michaels
Speaker 1: was up till four in the morning the night before,
Speaker 1: drinking supt a few hours, use energy pills in coffee,
Speaker 1: and probably something else to perform in the ring. You
Speaker 1: know how common or is it for wrestlers to just
Speaker 1: stay up all night drinking, partying and then go out
Speaker 1: and have a great match.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, it was pretty damn common, especially back then.
Speaker 2: And we know we've talked about the Rockers before, and yeah,
Speaker 2: at that point in time, they were just they were
Speaker 2: brilliant in the ring and they didn't miss a party.
Speaker 2: They would, you know, hard driving night after night after night.
Speaker 2: And I've said also before that I can't even begin
Speaker 2: to tell you many times I was just amazed. And
Speaker 2: I wasn't at every TV taping or anything like that,
Speaker 2: but you could see. You would see these guys come
Speaker 2: in and Sean would have the sunglasses inside, you know,
Speaker 2: and just you could just tell, I mean, he was
Speaker 2: dragged and a lot of these guys, but I was
Speaker 2: always just amazed that you know that they found a
Speaker 2: way too. You know, they go out there and still
Speaker 2: have these brilliant matches. You know they might come back
Speaker 2: and collapse, but when they were in that ring, they
Speaker 2: knew what their job was. You know. You often think
Speaker 2: about with some of these people, and fortunately for Sewan,
Speaker 2: he survived it all and it's healthy today. But you
Speaker 2: have to think back of, well, what if you would
Speaker 2: have just taken care of yourself a little more, you know,
Speaker 2: without those nights and the drugs you put into your body.
Speaker 2: And but maybe on the other hand of it, that's
Speaker 2: what made them survive. That's how they got through it.
Speaker 2: You know, you kind of have you self medicate to
Speaker 2: to be able to do what you were doing, getting
Speaker 2: on planes every day and finding gyms and you know,
Speaker 2: getting something to eat and then doing getting the hell
Speaker 2: beat out of you, and then trying to find a
Speaker 2: way to get to sleep. You go and drink, and
Speaker 2: then you have to have something that's going to help
Speaker 2: you sleep too. Then they have got to get something
Speaker 2: to get you up. And so we can, you know,
Speaker 2: talk about it all day. We weren't there, We didn't
Speaker 2: live that life. And and they all found a way
Speaker 2: to do it. Some had more discipline, some recognized early
Speaker 2: what it would do to their bodies and stayed away
Speaker 2: from it, but many, many succumbed. And that is why
Speaker 2: the list of deceased wrestlers is so damn long. There
Speaker 2: was a big price to pay, so you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: the rumors of that I think were very true. I
Speaker 2: remember seeing Kim that day and it was just like
Speaker 2: another one of those like, oh boy, And I always
Speaker 2: thought when it was like, come on, this is this
Speaker 2: is the big this event of the year. You can't
Speaker 2: go to bed before midnight. Maybe right, that's you know,
Speaker 2: that's how they did it. And like I said, they
Speaker 2: go on the ring and they have these tremendous matches.
Speaker 2: And this was one of the veterans. As we've discussed
Speaker 2: the Rockers, they are one of the tag teams, and
Speaker 2: there are a few others that showed how well these
Speaker 2: streamlined tag teams that were built for speed and fantastic
Speaker 2: moves and high flying could actually step into a ring
Speaker 2: with two lumbering giants and have a really entertaining match. Uh.
Speaker 2: You know, sometimes you get tired of seeing when if
Speaker 2: you see two of these high flying kind of tag
Speaker 2: teams that go at it and it's like flip flip
Speaker 2: boom boom bama, hey flip blip blip, Like all right, yeah,
Speaker 2: I got it. But when you see like these guys
Speaker 2: get to match up, how there's no way to inspied.
Speaker 2: One of those guys gets a hold of him, he's
Speaker 2: gonna crush him like a grape. And you would see
Speaker 2: these things where they get him and they'd slip out,
Speaker 2: or they do this, or a movement. You're like, oh, wow,
Speaker 2: that was awesome. So that you know, those matches became
Speaker 2: very very popular just for that reason, because you'd see that,
Speaker 2: you know, that's not supposed to work in human science.
Speaker 2: When the big giant guy gets a hold of a
Speaker 2: little guy, guy's got no shot. He's gonna get him done.
Speaker 2: Now that that certainly wasn't the case with these guys,
Speaker 2: you know, even though they ended up on the losing
Speaker 2: end of this one. But you know, you got to
Speaker 2: watch out for that Air Africa. I think it was
Speaker 2: that moves that wrapped it up. Yeah, but it's gone
Speaker 2: down in history. Yes, you see it quite often. But
Speaker 2: the the that that's why I love those matches. And
Speaker 2: they were, as I said, one of those tag teams
Speaker 2: that put them in the ring with anybody and they're
Speaker 2: going to make it entertain Yeah.
Speaker 1: In the Twin Towers too. They for the past six
Speaker 1: months have been beating down Hulk Cogan and the macho
Speaker 1: man Rainey Savage. So and now getting a high profile
Speaker 1: match at Russmini against the Rockers shows me like, oh,
Speaker 1: the WWF really shows that they care about the Rockers,
Speaker 1: but they also care about the Twin Towers because without them,
Speaker 1: as I said before many podcasts. Without them, you wouldn't
Speaker 1: have this built up friction between Savage and Hogan because
Speaker 1: you needed two wrestlers to be able to be equal
Speaker 1: to Hogan and Savage to make it seem like they
Speaker 1: were ever in peril. So I always enjoy the Twin Towers,
Speaker 1: and you know, this is the down swell of them,
Speaker 1: but still they had an amazing past six months, so
Speaker 1: you know, good for them.
Speaker 2: But yeah, but you think about it too. And I
Speaker 2: mentioned how agile the Rockers were and everything, but you
Speaker 2: got to give credit to the Twin Towers huge. You know,
Speaker 2: boss Man and I came those two guys. Man, they
Speaker 2: could move for these giant guys and and you know,
Speaker 2: even you know a team, I don't think he gets
Speaker 2: credit for what he could do in there. Boss Man
Speaker 2: was really good. And uh so you've got to have
Speaker 2: as you just said, you've got to have two other
Speaker 2: guys that can do it. But they've got to be
Speaker 2: able to have that talent to do it. You can't
Speaker 2: just have you know, like Warlord Warlord and Barbarian that
Speaker 2: basically we're just going to be brutes. Uh. You know,
Speaker 2: these guys could move around they could do stuff. Like
Speaker 2: I said before that you know Bubba could, he could
Speaker 2: do the splits. That guy was so freaking flexible. So yeah,
Speaker 2: you've got to have that talent to match it, and
Speaker 2: they did.
Speaker 1: I love boss Man, so I'll always say, you know,
Speaker 1: I'll always give credit when you big boss Man deserves
Speaker 1: all the credit in the world. But Ted Debiassi versus
Speaker 1: Bruce Beefcakes up next next. The Million Dollar Championship is
Speaker 1: not on the line as it would be years later
Speaker 1: with Virgil and say Ted fighting each other. But I
Speaker 1: do like the nod of million Dollar Man walking up
Speaker 1: to Donald Trump and shaking his hand and both like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's good to see you again. Oh yeah, it's very
Speaker 1: good to see you as well. Like I just like
Speaker 1: that little added element of what's going on here. People
Speaker 1: say it's a controversial finish because it's a double count
Speaker 1: out finish, and you're here at WrestleMania you kind of
Speaker 1: want I don't know, you're paying money. You want to
Speaker 1: see an actual finish to certain matches, and you know,
Speaker 1: you decide what you want. But it's interesting that Beefcake
Speaker 1: now sliding into fighting Tdbase fighting Andre because he's Hogan's friend,
Speaker 1: is that. How do you think other wrestlers are feeling
Speaker 1: about this now where you're seeing Beefcake is getting more
Speaker 1: than he was before, now that Cogan has more power
Speaker 1: than he ever had before.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, I'm sure there was a lot of that,
Speaker 2: and that was something that Brutus endured his entire career
Speaker 2: there that wasn't going to be avoided. There was no
Speaker 2: no doubt about it that he did get favor because
Speaker 2: he was his close association with his pal the whole
Speaker 2: stert and he embraced it. Why not. You know that
Speaker 2: there's opportunities. But but also you know, Brutus was he
Speaker 2: was a good He was a good wrestler. I mean
Speaker 2: he was. He wasn't like some you know, lumbering idiot
Speaker 2: in there. I mean he had came up at the
Speaker 2: same time Harry did, and and worked his ass off,
Speaker 2: and he had some really good matches that he did it,
Speaker 2: paid his dues and went to Japan and did the
Speaker 2: whole thing and wrestled independently, and he could get it
Speaker 2: done in the ring. But there's no question that there
Speaker 2: were many many others that were certainly on his level
Speaker 2: that could have done the same. You know, taken advantage
Speaker 2: of the same opportunities that that Brutus got. They just
Speaker 2: didn't have to be best friends with Paul Kogan.
Speaker 1: Of course, I'm next to the Bushwalkers Reversus Fabulus Rouge shows.
Speaker 1: People have voted this the worst match in WrestleMania. I
Speaker 1: don't know why if people hate the Bushwhackers so much.
Speaker 1: I like watching people being licked head butts. But you know,
Speaker 1: I don't have a problem. What's wrong with that? What's
Speaker 1: wrong with Bushwhacker matches? You know, exactly, come on down,
Speaker 1: bite my ass, punch me in the face, gave me
Speaker 1: a head butt like semi Hille happy. You know, why
Speaker 1: do you think people get so angry at the Bushwhackers
Speaker 1: in their matches? It doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 2: Well, because it was so comical. You know, it was
Speaker 2: comic relief really that, you know, like they had the
Speaker 2: battering ram that they would do. Yeah, it was just
Speaker 2: it was comic relief for those matches. It wasn't you
Speaker 2: weren't going to see tacticians in there. It was going
Speaker 2: to be goof fall stuff going on, you know, kind
Speaker 2: of three stooges kind of thing. You know, got that
Speaker 2: feeling from it but the crowd, you know, the crowd
Speaker 2: loved them, and that was mostly I think for you know,
Speaker 2: the kids. The kids love them, and it is it's
Speaker 2: funny to think about if you knew the history of
Speaker 2: the Bushwhackers, and they were the sheep herders, and they
Speaker 2: were these two badass heels. I mean they they were
Speaker 2: just nasty and uh and and people have often asked them,
Speaker 2: you know, like, well, boy, did you when you came
Speaker 2: to the WWF. I mean, god, was it an hopful
Speaker 2: that you know, Vince McMahon turns you into this laughing
Speaker 2: stock tag team and like yet up, no, why mate?
Speaker 2: You know, like you caton, it was the greatest thing
Speaker 2: you ever happened to us. I mean it really was
Speaker 2: that they forever. We've lost one of them, but you
Speaker 2: know there's still remembered. As you know, they could do
Speaker 2: appearances forever, and their merchandise they made I'm sure they
Speaker 2: made a ton of money off their merchant. So to them,
Speaker 2: it was the greatest thing that ever happened. And it
Speaker 2: was easy work. They ever had to have these big,
Speaker 2: you know, intense steel cage matches, barbed wire, you know, whatever.
Speaker 2: They they didn't have to do that anymore. So I
Speaker 2: think that, you know, the other the price for it,
Speaker 2: and they loved it, and they liked being adorned by
Speaker 2: fans and celebrated. So but yeah, it was it was
Speaker 2: always a gimmick match. It was just comic relief to
Speaker 2: give the crowd a break and bring them out and
Speaker 2: have some fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, fans, come on, people, come on. I don't understand
Speaker 1: the hate towards but they do rest like five times
Speaker 1: I think in the like three years. So that's a
Speaker 1: lot on pay per review when you only have four
Speaker 1: sometimes three. So I get I get the anger towards that.
Speaker 1: But also, guys, it's okay, it's okay, it's it's bushwhackers.
Speaker 1: We're not looking for no.
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, And you say yeah, but you say
Speaker 2: there's a lot of there was some heat on a
Speaker 2: lot of heat on them. Yeah, yeah, there was. But
Speaker 2: I'll tell you that the majority loved the Bushwackers. There
Speaker 2: was you know that the crowd would pop every time
Speaker 2: they came out. So yeah, I'm sure there were some
Speaker 2: purists and haters out there, but you know, come on,
Speaker 2: they knew what they were doing. They embraced it, and
Speaker 2: the fans loved it.
Speaker 1: Uh. Next up, mister Perfect rust the Blue Blazer. This
Speaker 1: is the debut of mister Perfect wearing his singlet that
Speaker 1: he would wear for the rest of his career. And
Speaker 1: I owe, I'm so happy because mister Perfect is one
Speaker 1: of the greatest characters of all time. I always will
Speaker 1: love Owen Hart and Jesse the body of Ventur, who
Speaker 1: is a heel on commentary says this is going to
Speaker 1: be the match that we should pay attention to. Like
Speaker 1: he immediately is like, oh, I'm excited to watch this,
Speaker 1: And to me, that's great because if you do watch it,
Speaker 1: it is probably one of the best matches of the night.
Speaker 1: And for me, what do you think of mister Perfect's look,
Speaker 1: because before this he's just wearing traditional random tights. Now
Speaker 1: has the thing that he has his actual look.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I thought it was great because you know
Speaker 2: it was more of that uh, you know, real amateur
Speaker 2: wrestler kind of look, and Kurt had that he had
Speaker 2: the body for it. You know, others would would use
Speaker 2: that as well. You know. It's like I think the
Speaker 2: Steiner brothers wore the same kind of uh singlets with
Speaker 2: the Dead because they were you know, amateur wrestlers and
Speaker 2: and so I think you know, Kurt was a great
Speaker 2: amateur wrestler, and uh, but I just thought it was
Speaker 2: a good look for him. I I you know, always
Speaker 2: you have the trunks, and he had a good body.
Speaker 2: You know, there was no he could certainly just wear
Speaker 2: the trunks, however, but it was it was his own
Speaker 2: unique look and you know, and and and you you'd
Speaker 2: see sometimes where he'd like peel it off, you know,
Speaker 2: and kind to push it through that take the strap
Speaker 2: and then it would be like that when he was
Speaker 2: like ready to really go at it. So yeah, it
Speaker 2: was a great look. And uh, this match was was
Speaker 2: great and Owen was was a chance because you know,
Speaker 2: in order for you to get over to look good
Speaker 2: out there, you got to have a partner that knows
Speaker 2: how to do it. And there was nobody that was
Speaker 2: better at that and selling than Kurt had it. There's
Speaker 2: you know, there's no question about it that you know,
Speaker 2: Kurt was great. So this was a really great opportunity
Speaker 2: for Owen. I'm sure he loved the fact that he would,
Speaker 2: you know, got to be at WrestleMania and in the
Speaker 2: ring with Kurt and uh, and they did not let
Speaker 2: us down. It was just and now I remember people
Speaker 2: watching it back because we hadn't seen a whole lot
Speaker 2: of Owen and so this was a big stage for him.
Speaker 2: And you've heard this before that you know the boys
Speaker 2: will say, you know, it's it's something if they're paying attention.
Speaker 2: And they would also, you know, they always had the
Speaker 2: monitors set up and back and they have chairs with
Speaker 2: boys watch and we had it's all over the place
Speaker 2: so that you know, people backstage can see what was
Speaker 2: going on and when they were supposed to be somewhere.
Speaker 2: And I just remember that, you know, everybody's kind of stopped.
Speaker 2: It's just you know, who could do it? And it's
Speaker 2: watching watching that match.
Speaker 1: Oh, it's it's unbelivable. But what's even crazier is when
Speaker 1: I'm watching this again, this is the fifth match. There's
Speaker 1: fourteen matches on this WrestleMania. I know it's WrestleMania. You
Speaker 1: want geting one on the card, but I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Not everyone needs to be here for a match. And
Speaker 1: to me, when you think about it, I'm like, why
Speaker 1: why why is you know, I love every one of
Speaker 1: these wrestlers, but like, why is Hercules fighting Haku in
Speaker 1: the beginning? Why is Batnew's brown fighting dug In. You know,
Speaker 1: why is mister Perfect fighting the Believablelazer Dino Bravus, Brownie Garfin?
Speaker 1: Why are some of these matches happening? Is it just, hey,
Speaker 1: you all got us here, You're all working hard on
Speaker 1: house shows, so we're going to give you this big
Speaker 1: wrestleman of Payday? Is that really what this is?
Speaker 2: No? I know, I really don't think so. I mean
Speaker 2: maybe that was some of it, but I think it
Speaker 2: was kind of this experimentation to see, you know, what
Speaker 2: do people want? You know, do they want uh, you know,
Speaker 2: five to seven you know, good solid long you know,
Speaker 2: twenty plus minute matches or do you want to see uh,
Speaker 2: you know a lot of a big display of talent
Speaker 2: with the matches that are not you know, very long.
Speaker 2: Some of them were three minutes, some were seven. You know,
Speaker 2: but it was it was clear early on it it
Speaker 2: was too much, and I'm sure that people voice their
Speaker 2: opinion about that even before this event happened. But you know,
Speaker 2: once that that train was on the track and all
Speaker 2: the cars where go on that train, that train was
Speaker 2: way too long, and you can feel it. You know,
Speaker 2: there's people like uh uh you know, overload and the
Speaker 2: matches weren't real great, so then you start losing it.
Speaker 2: You know, you get the feel that crowd as it
Speaker 2: goes through the night, and yeah, it was just like,
Speaker 2: come on, let's get to it. And it was way, way, way,
Speaker 2: way too many matches and even I don't know what
Speaker 2: they could have done it better with different talent. I
Speaker 2: mean they had. It was a talent that they had,
Speaker 2: and it just none of it was really strong. There
Speaker 2: just weren't, you know, like you said, there were a
Speaker 2: few matches there, you know, Curtin and Owen and you
Speaker 2: know boss Man and Team and you know, yeah there
Speaker 2: were good matches, yes, but the other stuff was filler,
Speaker 2: and it was just it was like, do you want
Speaker 2: to make this thing three hours long? When it just
Speaker 2: people just make it too you know, if it's make
Speaker 2: it good and two you know, so yeah, way way
Speaker 2: too much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know, I have no problem with it.
Speaker 1: I just think, why do you have so many matches?
Speaker 1: But we're going to plow through a few of these
Speaker 1: right now. Demolition to titles are his Powers of Pain
Speaker 1: and mister Fuji, who I gotta say, mister Fuji. He
Speaker 1: looked amazing and he runs a five k and a
Speaker 1: suit and a hat and a cane in his dress
Speaker 1: shoes and then he wrestles too. To me, I've heard
Speaker 1: terrible things about this man, but I got to say
Speaker 1: his physique beautiful. He looks better than me than I
Speaker 1: do now.
Speaker 2: So you know, yeah, in his day, mister Kozie could
Speaker 2: get it done. Man. It was. It was legendary that,
Speaker 2: you know, the kicks and stuff that he could do,
Speaker 2: and he's still even when he was older, he could
Speaker 2: do that. He could get that leg up into your chin,
Speaker 2: which was, you know, pretty amazing thing. So you can
Speaker 2: imagine when he was when he was younger and could
Speaker 2: really fly around that ring. It was legendary. But you know,
Speaker 2: as far as when he was older, he wasn't going
Speaker 2: to be able to do a whole lot. But they
Speaker 2: got him involved in this whole you know turn with Demolition,
Speaker 2: and you know, it worked. It was one of the
Speaker 2: one of the other matches that I really enjoyed, and
Speaker 2: of course, you know, I'm a big fan of demolition,
Speaker 2: but yeah, it was you know, at worked did that
Speaker 2: That whole match worked for me? And I just thought
Speaker 2: that that that the storyline, you know, it kind of
Speaker 2: came out of you know the turn was little yeah,
Speaker 2: really just all of a sudden, I don't know where
Speaker 2: and right right, But but I still think that that
Speaker 2: was one of the more entertaining matches of the evening.
Speaker 1: Agreed, Agreed, and again, mister Fuji looking good, Man looking good,
Speaker 1: you know, good for you. Up next, you know, brav
Speaker 1: versus Ronnie Garvin again, what are we doing here? Frenchie
Speaker 1: Martin gets stomped up by Ronnie Garvin in front row Trump.
Speaker 1: He's like, oh, yeah, I like this, yeah, stomp out,
Speaker 1: French guy out. Trump's having a time of his life.
Speaker 1: Oh when he watches Hogan. If you watch this back again,
Speaker 1: look at Trump the whole time during Hogan versus Savage.
Speaker 1: He's like, it's like a kid on Christmas seeing present
Speaker 1: come to life in front of him. Honestly, it's one
Speaker 1: of the funniest moments. But the Brain Busters versus the
Speaker 1: Strike Force is up next. This is where the Strike
Speaker 1: Force breaks up and Jesse Ventura clearly gives it away
Speaker 1: because he says, well, the Strike Force hasn't teamed up
Speaker 1: in a long time. Together, let's see how they do. Well.
Speaker 1: Rick Martel leaves Tito Santana by himself and Brainbusters win.
Speaker 1: Brain Buster is our former tag team champions. Strike Force
Speaker 1: is over and we go off an amazing model run
Speaker 1: for Rick Martel. This is the beginning of my love
Speaker 1: for Rick the Model Martel. Strikeforce to me was like
Speaker 1: the young Stallions, just like a bunch of two young guys,
Speaker 1: like we're gonna give one hundred and ten percent and
Speaker 1: now we're gonna get the model. Like to me, this
Speaker 1: is a great step forward for Rick the Model Martel.
Speaker 1: I know we did a podcast about it, but how
Speaker 1: do you feel about the model character versus the version
Speaker 1: you're seeing here?
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I thought it was great, and you know
Speaker 2: that I was a big fan of Rick, and he
Speaker 2: fought really hard. I mean we talked about it that
Speaker 2: you know, he wanted to be a heel. He felt
Speaker 2: that his run as a baby face was never going
Speaker 2: to get him anywhere, and he really had even contemplated,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm out, I'll quit the business, or I'll
Speaker 2: go and wrestle independently and as a heel. I'll prove
Speaker 2: to them that I can do this and walked away
Speaker 2: a couple of times where he just said, no, I'm
Speaker 2: serious about this, and then you know, they brought him back,
Speaker 2: said yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll do it. And then they didn't.
Speaker 2: You know, they've had we just got too much going on,
Speaker 2: but we're going to get to that. And you know, finally, yeah,
Speaker 2: finally he convinced them because he really was willing to
Speaker 2: walk away from it all and and and spot really
Speaker 2: really hard to make make it happen. And it was
Speaker 2: great to see finally, you know, just shows you the
Speaker 2: perseverance and his belief of what he could do and
Speaker 2: and not wavering, like willing to risk at all. And
Speaker 2: it really did pay off. As you said, he just
Speaker 2: this would kind of launch that that run that he
Speaker 2: would have as the model, and you know, proved everybody wrong.
Speaker 2: You know, all of those guys, you know, Pat and Vincent,
Speaker 2: you know, all those guys thought, you know, he just
Speaker 2: he's a baby face. There's nothing else you can do about.
Speaker 2: It's too good. Look, he's you know, got that swab
Speaker 2: kind of demeanor to him, and what the girls love him.
Speaker 2: You know, he's just a baby face. And he's like, no,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to make any money. You're never going
Speaker 2: to put me up there with any real serious run
Speaker 2: as a baby face. It's not going to happen, and
Speaker 2: he stuck to it and saw it through and wherever.
Speaker 2: I don't know exactly how long it lasts, but that
Speaker 2: that that, you know, put that mark on his career forever.
Speaker 2: That's how people remember him. He had a great career
Speaker 2: otherwise outside all of all that. But when you talk
Speaker 2: about Rick Martel, what you remember. You remember the model,
Speaker 2: you remember the spray thing, you remember the blinding jake,
Speaker 2: you know the whole thing, And that was all on him.
Speaker 2: He did it. He stuck to it and wouldn't go it,
Speaker 2: wouldn't wait, and you got it. I mean, tremendous respect
Speaker 2: for what he did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, agreed. They announced though the Hulk Cogan's going to
Speaker 1: start and nol Holds barred the movie coming out in
Speaker 1: the summer of nineteen eighty nine. They cut back to
Speaker 1: Gorilla and Jesse Ventura and jesse Ventura has a meltdown
Speaker 1: on camera. He is screaming, this is no longer like
Speaker 1: Jesse Ventura, the TV persona. This is Jesse Ventura, the
Speaker 1: person who's angry at Ulk Cogan for stopping at Union
Speaker 1: four years ago. And the he is pissed off. He's
Speaker 1: yelling about how you're gonna come into my territory, in
Speaker 1: my yard. If you want to come to Los Angeles,
Speaker 1: She'll be driving my limousine, not starring in movies. And
Speaker 1: Jesse like walks off the screen and Gorilla that's laughing
Speaker 1: a little bit, like I'm not sure what's happening here.
Speaker 1: Eventually Jesse does come back. But the real heat of
Speaker 1: this was there actually real heat with Jesse being upset
Speaker 1: that Hogan wanted to go do movies.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean, I think you know a lot
Speaker 2: of things. As we've a lot of these storylines, you know,
Speaker 2: that's what makes the best ones is when you can't
Speaker 2: really tell the difference is that a shoot or work?
Speaker 2: And uh, you know, as you mentioned there was no
Speaker 2: love lost between Hull, Coogan and and Jesse. Then that
Speaker 2: was for real and with good reason for as far
Speaker 2: as Jeff was concerned that you know that and hulp,
Speaker 2: you know, Terry fully admitted it. When I heard about
Speaker 2: that you and I went straight to Vince because it
Speaker 2: was a threat to what I was doing, very honest
Speaker 2: about that, and Jesse never forgave him for that that here,
Speaker 2: you know, Jesse, Uh, and you see this happened in
Speaker 2: professional sports all the time. Where you know, you're at
Speaker 2: one point. You know, if you're at the top and
Speaker 2: you really you kind of forget where you came from.
Speaker 2: You know, Jesse had witnessed had been that guy who
Speaker 2: you know, languished and didn't get real didn't get shots,
Speaker 2: and and was kind of at the mercy of these
Speaker 2: promoters and and what these guys went through. You know,
Speaker 2: early on, I, at least with the w w F,
Speaker 2: Fulkster was getting you know, first class treatment everywhere he went, blue,
Speaker 2: first class limousines, great hotels. He wasn't with the guys
Speaker 2: down at the bottom of the card who you know,
Speaker 2: were getting in rental cards, four of them, because that's
Speaker 2: they split the money they spend. They'd have three a room.
Speaker 2: Somebody was sleeping on the floor on a mattress. You know,
Speaker 2: stories of guys eating going into diners, ordering a cup
Speaker 2: of coffee and then eating crackers with ketchup on them.
Speaker 2: You know, I mean when you when you've lived that
Speaker 2: and done it for a long time, where every part
Speaker 2: of your meal is you know, every time you do something,
Speaker 2: you know it's expensive. Those guys weren't covered for that.
Speaker 2: The only thing that the the WWF covered was your flight.
Speaker 2: You were responsible for everything is that you did from
Speaker 2: that point on. You paid for your meals, you paid
Speaker 2: for your hotel, you paid for your transportation between the
Speaker 2: towns that you were going to. And Jesse felt that,
Speaker 2: you know, it wasn't fair. These guys needed to have
Speaker 2: some representation and the only way they were going to
Speaker 2: do that is they found together and blew that up
Speaker 2: right away. And he never forgave so kind of a
Speaker 2: tirade there, but that's to make you understand why. And
Speaker 2: there were other things, you know, the merchandise thing, you know,
Speaker 2: Jesse saw that that hoped getting the lion's share of
Speaker 2: all of it, and so yeah, that was that was
Speaker 2: real life heat. So I you know, I think that
Speaker 2: that was maybe more than a half shoot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, he was pissed after watching it, was like
Speaker 1: damn right, even Gorilla again, Gorilla just looks shocked like, okay,
Speaker 1: well I'm just gonna nervously smile here for a minute.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: That it didn't look very comfortable on camera there, but
Speaker 1: you know, moving on, Jake to Snaka Roberts versus the
Speaker 1: Andre The Giant matches up next with Big John Studd,
Speaker 1: who won the nineteen eighty nine Royal Rumble, but he
Speaker 1: doesn't wrestle here at WrestleMania. He's the special guest referee.
Speaker 1: Match ends in d Q. Jake wins. Why have Big
Speaker 1: John Studd win the Royal Rumble to not wrestle Andre
Speaker 1: at WrestleMania.
Speaker 2: Well, probably because Big John Studt was afraid of Andre's didn't.
Speaker 2: That's well documented that Andre. There's only one giant. There's
Speaker 2: only one giant, and it is me and anybody who
Speaker 2: tries to come in and you know, but they're put
Speaker 2: in there is it's not going to happen, mind speaker.
Speaker 2: And so there was no love loss there between them.
Speaker 2: And I think that you know, they were probably brewing
Speaker 2: something need to be serious of about it. That you know,
Speaker 2: you two giants is kind of a give and you
Speaker 2: want to see them go at it? But come on,
Speaker 2: what's juicy? Or here right the whole anng with with
Speaker 2: Jake and Andrea and the snake and come on, what
Speaker 2: do you want to see? I want to what do
Speaker 2: you want to see more two giants banging on each
Speaker 2: other or this this thing that you know, a snake
Speaker 2: that gave Andrea a heart attack? You know, and uh
Speaker 2: and and and That's another one of those things too,
Speaker 2: where you know you've got I mean, come on, look
Speaker 2: at Jake. Jake was not the greatest physical specimen. What
Speaker 2: chance does he have against Andre the Giant? And you
Speaker 2: know how cunning that Jake Roberts says, you know he's
Speaker 2: got something of the sleep. You know, he's going to
Speaker 2: do something. He's he's got he's not and he's so
Speaker 2: freaking you know, just arrogant about it. And he's still
Speaker 2: you know, like he's not there's no fear. So he's
Speaker 2: got he's got something, you know. Uh So that to me,
Speaker 2: that was what that was just yead I can't wait
Speaker 2: the throwing John Studd in there, just for the spectacle
Speaker 2: of it, the two giants is who could he possibly?
Speaker 2: You know, he's you know he's going to be against Andre.
Speaker 2: Andre's gonna get screwed this somehow.
Speaker 1: Hanicap match.
Speaker 2: You had a lot of elements working in that match. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but didn't have to be there to make that a
Speaker 2: marquee match, No, not really.
Speaker 1: No, no hard foundation versus my favorite tag team, Rhythm Blues,
Speaker 1: Honky tonk Man named Greg Valentine, uh super quick super
Speaker 1: quick match.
Speaker 2: Because Greg Valentine dye his hair.
Speaker 1: Of course, I'm sorry, folks, but Greg Valentine was boring
Speaker 1: to me, just like Ronning Garvin was boring to me.
Speaker 1: You know, they might have been great talents, and they
Speaker 1: might have been amazing in your favorite but they're not mine.
Speaker 1: And so I'm going to stop there and just say
Speaker 1: this match was filler and that was it. Interncondinal title
Speaker 1: on the line. Rick Rwe defeats Ultimate Warrior by Bobby
Speaker 1: Heenen holding on to Warrior's leg at the bottom. But
Speaker 1: after Warrior tex Heenan, Heenan says he actually was injured
Speaker 1: by the Ultimate Warrior here, hurting his already worse and
Speaker 1: neck because he had neck issues. We've heard so many
Speaker 1: stories about Ultimate Warrior hurting people, But when you're hurting wrestlers,
Speaker 1: I guess that's one thing. When you're hurting Bobby Heenan,
Speaker 1: the manager, that to me is a whole other level
Speaker 1: of you're not protecting your opponents at all.
Speaker 2: Well, come on, it was Bobby Heenan, so hopeful who
Speaker 2: was upset.
Speaker 1: Bobby was upset with Warrior.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, well it was you know, that was
Speaker 2: the thing that it was brilliant about Bobby that throw
Speaker 2: him into any situation and he made it work. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean this it was a great matchup anyway. I
Speaker 2: mean Rick ruthe man, that guy was I thought was
Speaker 2: great in the rig and and people realized just how
Speaker 2: freaking tough that guy was. Not not a really huge guy.
Speaker 2: I mean he was, he had a tremendous body, but
Speaker 2: it wasn't anywhere near the stature of Warrior. But who
Speaker 2: do you think is going to win that street fight
Speaker 2: and died by the way. They had a few altercations,
Speaker 2: But really this is a great matchup. Then throw Enan
Speaker 2: in there. It's a great mix.
Speaker 1: True, true. You know, people were interested in this because
Speaker 1: it's probably like the second biggest match on the car
Speaker 1: besides Hogan versus Macho Man because Warriors red hot, rickcruit amazing,
Speaker 1: heel body, Heenan's on fire as always. So I think
Speaker 1: it was a very shocking ending actually to see a
Speaker 1: babyface lose such a big, high profile match at RUSSEMANI
Speaker 1: at the time. Now it happens all the time, but
Speaker 1: when it did, you're like, wow, I didn't. I didn't.
Speaker 1: Vegas odds did not have this going this way, so
Speaker 1: lost a lot of money as a child. But yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I thought it was I thought it was a great match,
Speaker 1: and even Rick Rude winning the Intercontinental title Jesse Venturn commentary.
Speaker 1: He is so happy about this because now he's saying,
Speaker 1: I have all my champions. I got Rick Rud, got
Speaker 1: Macho Man as my champion, Like I'm feeling great. And
Speaker 1: even at the end of the night when Macho does lose,
Speaker 1: Jesse the last line he kind of says this, He's like, well, Gorilla,
Speaker 1: you got Hogan and I got Rick Rude. He's he's
Speaker 1: just all about having Rick ruit his icy champion, which
Speaker 1: is you know, I thought it was a great move
Speaker 1: to build towards US SummerSlam because they have a rematch
Speaker 1: where you know, Warrior picks up the win there. But
Speaker 1: still good stuff. But we do have more filler bad
Speaker 1: news Brown Rassus Hacksaw, Jim Duggan and.
Speaker 2: Look how look how yeah yeah, look how Rude won that? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Cheat did There had to be that guy that's the cheat. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so there you go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I did enjoy that. Though, again it helps
Speaker 1: Warrior look like he didn't actually lose because someone had
Speaker 1: to cheat to beat him. So that helps recruit as
Speaker 1: a Baby as a heel helps Warrior keep his steam going.
Speaker 1: But two more matches before the main event, Match number twelve,
Speaker 1: Bad News Brown versus Hacksaw Jim Dug Him God, we still.
Speaker 2: Have more matches. Stop already, there can't be that many.
Speaker 2: There cannot be that possibly ninety matches. They cannot. Please
Speaker 2: make it stop.
Speaker 1: Get in the time machine and tell yourself nineteen eighty
Speaker 1: nine to stop this then, because we have to see
Speaker 1: keep going. Red Rooster fights Bobby Heenan. Bobby Heenay got
Speaker 1: beat up by Warrior. Now he gets to get beat
Speaker 1: up by Red Rooster. Match last thirty one seconds. But
Speaker 1: we're moving on finally to the man event of the evening.
Speaker 1: It's Omega Powers exploding. It's Macho Man versus Hulk Cogan.
Speaker 1: You brought it up earlier. Why does Macho Man come
Speaker 1: out first? Is it a healed tactic where he wants
Speaker 1: to show the world that he is number one, so
Speaker 1: he wants to come out first, get out the glory
Speaker 1: as a heel, or is it Hulk Cogan wants to
Speaker 1: come out to get that pop not being stolen by Savage.
Speaker 2: Really, we need to have this discussion. To me, the
Speaker 2: better way to play it is that yeah, he is
Speaker 2: the champion now, so he you know here this you
Speaker 2: get the you get the entrance, you get the didn't
Speaker 2: do it, just couldn't do it, and so it it
Speaker 2: and I think I think it diminished it. And in
Speaker 2: many ways because of that, I think that that is uh,
Speaker 2: you know, kind of help or did I mean I
Speaker 2: should say health? But you know it started this the
Speaker 2: resentment of hult covid that you have to have everything.
Speaker 2: Can't you just you know, play it real, like take
Speaker 2: it seem like this and then you've got to You've
Speaker 2: got to earn this thing back to me. That would
Speaker 2: have been bigger, but it's like you already came in.
Speaker 2: So I was thinking, you know, they're already kind of
Speaker 2: laying the groundwork here that guess is going to win
Speaker 2: the match kind of like yeah, he's going to be
Speaker 2: back on top again. And it kind of ruined it
Speaker 2: for me to think that way, even though I know,
Speaker 2: but you know, I'm saying that I want you to
Speaker 2: create or this reality. There may be a different you know,
Speaker 2: the dimension, but create this so that I can go
Speaker 2: for that ride. I want to go for that ride.
Speaker 2: I want to feel like that you know, there was
Speaker 2: some doubts. There might have been a little doubt in
Speaker 2: Pulk COVID's mind that you know, and and all this
Speaker 2: what had come down to this. What was really great
Speaker 2: about is look how long they actue to build this story.
Speaker 2: I mean over a year. Really, it's really almost over
Speaker 2: a year where you started that they built this thing,
Speaker 2: and it was one of the greatest because you can't
Speaker 2: do that anymore. They don't do it anymore. It would
Speaker 2: be impossible to do it anymore because thing is just
Speaker 2: everything moves. You know, if you can get a month
Speaker 2: long storyline, wow, that's tremendous. But just look how long
Speaker 2: and and uh and I've heard Bruce talk about this too.
Speaker 2: You know behind the scenes that they they laid this,
Speaker 2: this whole scenario out, They knew where this was going
Speaker 2: to climax. And so when they did when we did
Speaker 2: the vignettes and all of a sudden, they you know,
Speaker 2: shot that went with this. They were already planning to
Speaker 2: be able to have these moments that they could go
Speaker 2: and look back up like when you see like when
Speaker 2: did all this really when did this start happening between
Speaker 2: these two? Why is there so much animosity? Why does
Speaker 2: Randy what why did there his relationship with Elizabeth just
Speaker 2: fracture so much, and it was all well, so well
Speaker 2: planned that they could go back because they would say,
Speaker 2: you know, a look, and they would make sure, uh,
Speaker 2: you know Randy with the uh you know, when he
Speaker 2: once I had the knight stick I think he took
Speaker 2: from the boss Man and and hul Cogan has turned
Speaker 2: his back to him and he's you know, doing his
Speaker 2: thing with the crowd, and you can see Randy's got
Speaker 2: the night stick and it's like it's ruined. You know,
Speaker 2: it's like wrap this thing across the back of that
Speaker 2: head of that big fricking yellow thing, and you know,
Speaker 2: and you could look back at those moments doubt those
Speaker 2: were all planned and that they could go back and say,
Speaker 2: let's go back, remember this, and so uh when you
Speaker 2: look back at it, as far as you know, doing
Speaker 2: storylines and professional wrestling, this is one of the greatest
Speaker 2: because it's the planning that went into it to build
Speaker 2: it to that crescendo and then have eventually, you know,
Speaker 2: I have it pay off was was brilliant. And so
Speaker 2: that was a misstep, I thought that and it's it's
Speaker 2: just simple details. Yeah, but I felt like it just
Speaker 2: you know, we we talked about with a big fight
Speaker 2: deal and uh, yet you stumbled on that because you
Speaker 2: wanted it to be that, you wanted that, really wanted
Speaker 2: it to happen, and when the payof comes, yeah, oh
Speaker 2: my god. You know. So really it is a is
Speaker 2: a masterclass as far as doing storyline, because I remember
Speaker 2: that how detailed it was and when we would do
Speaker 2: they shot you know, many of those vignettes at the
Speaker 2: studio and I remember Bruce and them talking, you know
Speaker 2: and Vince about this is what you're this is where
Speaker 2: you what you're going to convey, you know, this is
Speaker 2: what because this is where we are and storyline, and
Speaker 2: so it was really it was this is where they
Speaker 2: really started to plan. Like they didn't. It wasn't so
Speaker 2: much where they were scripting things because the guys was
Speaker 2: still doing their you know, train of thought when they
Speaker 2: were doing that character. But they really the the idea
Speaker 2: of these detailed, long, you know, storyline to get people
Speaker 2: where they were going to be, and some were shorter
Speaker 2: than others. But that's where that that really that storytelling,
Speaker 2: that method of doing it, what's happening, And that was
Speaker 2: one of the classic ones still lives way at the
Speaker 2: top of the mines.
Speaker 1: I agree. I agree with you a whole. It happened
Speaker 1: in October of nineteen eighty seven, when the megapower is formed,
Speaker 1: and then you roll into April second of nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 1: You have had over a year of story building between
Speaker 1: friends who were originally together. You know, Miss Elizabeth needed
Speaker 1: Hogan to save Savage from Honky Tonk Man and turning
Speaker 1: him babyface, and Hogan helped Savage win the world title
Speaker 1: at WrestleMania fourth Little beats at SummerSlam, where we had glances, hugs,
Speaker 1: holding hand touching, there's a lot of h Hogan. You
Speaker 1: get in a Hansy with some guy's girl, like maybe
Speaker 1: you shouldn't be holding her hand, maybe you shouldn't be
Speaker 1: picking her up or hugging her in front of his husband,
Speaker 1: of her husband. That is so the lot of whose
Speaker 1: side do you want heading into this?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: You on the side of the macho man who who
Speaker 1: is showing heal tendencies, but in reality he's a man
Speaker 1: who's pissed off that another man won't stop lusting after
Speaker 1: his wife, even calling him the luster instead of the holster.
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of there.
Speaker 2: It's a lot there, no question, and as I call
Speaker 2: him like eyebrow razors. You know, there were so many
Speaker 2: times you know you look back and that's what I said,
Speaker 2: as they would you know, some of it was subtle, right,
Speaker 2: it was just you know, uh Ulkster opening you know,
Speaker 2: pulling the rope up for miss Elizabeth, Like why is
Speaker 2: he doing that? You know because Randy you know, like
Speaker 2: wouldn't do that, you know or whatever, right, and it
Speaker 2: was like is he just being a really good guy?
Speaker 2: It's like is he the luster Jesse the Leicester? And
Speaker 2: it was it was kind of it was really well done.
Speaker 2: It really was that they had enough of those and
Speaker 2: there weren't planning. I mean, like you said, over a
Speaker 2: year where there was these subtle things that the Hulkster
Speaker 2: would do that would be you know you think like
Speaker 2: what if another man did that to my wife? I
Speaker 2: think I'd be a little annoyed and putting it lightly
Speaker 2: like what are you doing? It's like talking about for everybody,
Speaker 2: every woman that's you know, by opening the door for
Speaker 2: her or something like that, you know, like what do
Speaker 2: you do? What? Completely innocent? And there's some people going, yeah,
Speaker 2: he's just being there's other people like man, he wants it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's he's he wants that, he wants a piece of that,
Speaker 2: you know. So yeah, it was really well done. And
Speaker 2: as we learned some of that stuff that Brandy was
Speaker 2: thinking was actually true and like he was, you know,
Speaker 2: that's the way his mind was working that he felt
Speaker 2: that the Hulkster was undermining him in real life. So yeah,
Speaker 2: blurred that line, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, heavy psychology in this one. But it again, it's
Speaker 1: Macha Man comes out first, Miss Elizabeth comes out second
Speaker 1: to Macho Man's music, and then Hogan comes out next.
Speaker 1: And that's the whole point of this. Miss Elizabeth has
Speaker 1: said throughout the program she's not gonna be in Macho
Speaker 1: Man's corner. She's not gonna be in Hulk Cogan's corner.
Speaker 1: She's going to be in a neutral corner. It's about
Speaker 1: the match. We have little moments of her leaving her
Speaker 1: corner to go check on each man. Well, Savage doesn't
Speaker 1: like this and at one point grabs Miss Elizabeth by
Speaker 1: the chin with his hand and he kind of suggests
Speaker 1: like he might punch her in the face, and then
Speaker 1: Earl Hebner or Dave Abner depending on which one got
Speaker 1: the plastic surgery shows up and stops. That's yelling at
Speaker 1: Savage like hei, don't touch her, don't you touch her?
Speaker 1: Leave her alone, so that eventually you know you have
Speaker 1: hul Cogan, big boot leg drop. We got a winter.
Speaker 1: We have a new world champion, three time champion. Savage
Speaker 1: is pissed. He leaves, and Hogan must pose, and so
Speaker 1: he poses for an endless amount of time, and we
Speaker 1: go off the air with Gorilla saying you know, hey,
Speaker 1: well got a new champion. Savage looks angry, and Jesse
Speaker 1: just says goodbye, and that's the last thing you hear
Speaker 1: at rest many of five. All in all, I thought
Speaker 1: this is an interesting event. Mega Powers definitely is the
Speaker 1: marquis the rest possibly filler, and of course you being
Speaker 1: licked by the bushwalkers is my main event. So that's
Speaker 1: just me personal.
Speaker 2: Definitely my highlight of my life. I mean, the world
Speaker 2: can say that they were licked by a bushwhacker and
Speaker 2: I am part of that club. So yeah, it kind
Speaker 2: of uh. I tell you it was not one of
Speaker 2: my favorites. It stands out to me because of Misselmania,
Speaker 2: and I mentioned that, you know, I love being in
Speaker 2: the crowd. I thought I had a lot of fun
Speaker 2: at this event. It was nerve wracking. I mentioned Lady
Speaker 2: with Trump, but at the same time I loved being
Speaker 2: It was a great experience for me as far as
Speaker 2: getting better. I learned a lot from that, and so,
Speaker 2: you know, overall it was I can't say it wasn't
Speaker 2: a great event for me, but at the same time
Speaker 2: was it and history should have be looked at as
Speaker 2: one of the great WrestleManias. I can't really say that,
Speaker 2: but I thought, like I thought that the main event
Speaker 2: was great. I know the Intercontinental matchup was good. I
Speaker 2: loved the Andre and Jake Rockers and stuff. So there
Speaker 2: were some really good matches, just as we said, it
Speaker 2: was just who many of them. I think maybe it
Speaker 2: would have been it would have stood out to me
Speaker 2: overall as an event if there would have been, say,
Speaker 2: seven or eight matches. They didn't need fourteen. That's what
Speaker 2: kind of ruined it for me.
Speaker 1: It's just too much fourteen matches. Yeah, I agree, Megapower
Speaker 1: sticks out as one of the best storylines ever in
Speaker 1: the WWF and WWE history, so up there with the
Speaker 1: best top five storylines of all time. But yeah, the
Speaker 1: event fourteen matches uh, way too many my personal opinion.
Speaker 1: But I bet someone's gonna say this is their favorite
Speaker 1: or this is the first event they ever watched. So
Speaker 1: I just want to say thanks for watching us talk
Speaker 1: about your favorite event or the event you hate the
Speaker 1: most on here in the Golden Era with Sean Mooney.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go rewatch you getting licked by the bushwhackers
Speaker 1: right now, So I'm gonna go do that. But all
Speaker 1: in all, thanks again for everyone enjoying us talking about
Speaker 1: this amazing event. Heishell Mooney, I'm see fall, have a
Speaker 1: wonderful day and we'll see you next time. Bye bye.
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