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Speaker 1: I love that that is nine miles high. The band

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is Howling Hawk, and uh, let's see who we have

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from the band on the line with us A via WhatsApp. Hello,

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welcome to the show.

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Speaker 2: Hi, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, So who is this? Who do we have on

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the line with us?

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Speaker 2: So? This is Jim. I'm the singer, the bassist, and

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I write the chunes outstanding.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad that you're a singing bassist because I am

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also a bass player. And uh, I don't feel that

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we get enough time out in front, you know.

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Speaker 2: So I know, I know we're dying breed lead guitarist

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at ten a penny, but a good bass player is

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worth his weight and goal exactly.

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Speaker 1: I completely agree. And I love that track nine miles High.

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And I'm really curious to ask you now, did you

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write the lyrics to that?

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Speaker 2: Of course? Of course, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, tell me about tell me about these lyrics because

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very very interesting and uh, I really want to dive

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into this. I'm excited to talk to you about the song.

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Speaker 2: A friend of mine went through a phase where he

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spent a little bit too much time enjoying medicinal herbs

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and listening to his Twitter feed. Oh, and he uh,

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he began because he was getting increasingly paranoid every time

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a helicopter went over here coming to look for him.

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mm hmm. So there's about having a friend who's going

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down that dangerous rabbit hole and trying to pull him

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back from the brink. Yeah, that's the vibe. I didn't

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know how much of that comes across, but that's what

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Speaker 1: Yeah. No, that's interesting because I think that that I

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don't know, I don't know what kind of feedback you've

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gotten on this, but to me, that seems highly relatable

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because I think, and I can tell you here in America,

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you know, there's there's a conspiracy theorism and all of

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that stuff is rampant, and there are a lot of

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don't need any any anything to uh to help from

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get there. They just somehow managed to get there on

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their own. And it's frightening.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of people over here who just been

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waiting for confirmation of a lot of what you're It's

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so difficult now reading the news every single day and

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having these little nudges that maybe the conspiracy theories were true.

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I got all excited about eighteen months ago when they

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are a bunch of Expressdents talking about aliens. That sounding

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kind of fun, but it's taking a bit of a

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dark turn. Sit then.

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Speaker 1: It has. It has, So I mean, what kind of

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feedback have you gotten on the song? Do you find

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that other people can also really kind of relate to this?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, people seem to like it. It's a lot of what

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we play is very deliberately like nineties focused, big choruses, britpop,

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and this is the one where we've gone a little bit,

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a little bit more X files. Yeah, and people seem

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to appreciate it, So maybe that will be a direction

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we've tried to do. We've got a release plan for

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this year. We've got to put a song out every month. Okay,

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so we've got our next single is out next Friday,

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which is a very different vibe. But I think for

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the next few after that we're going to go back

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to the back to the well for some weird stuff.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Oh cool? What is that kind of your So

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you're gonna be releasing a single every month? Is that?

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an album? You know, we we live in a time

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where there's so many different strategies for releasing music, so

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I'm curious or maybe these singles will eventually coalesce into

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an album or what one's kind of the long term strategy.

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Speaker 2: Well, probably every now and again, collect stuff together into

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a into a whatever feels best, So like collect them

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a CD with putting out next Friday, which is the

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most recent three songs that we've recorded. Not that we

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plan to do them like that, but they just they

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Speaker 2: We're doing one single a month because it's just so

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we since we started playing together that there's been just

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this explosion of AI created dross. So it's apparently Spotify.

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like you that help bands fight through the noise. So

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thank you for what you're doing.

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Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely, I appreciate that. Yeah, you know, we're doing

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what we can. But we actually did a segment on

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you want to delete all this AI generated stuff, that's good,

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maybe there's there's something in their music that flags gets

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the attention of the bot that is going through all this. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And there are only so many beats that you can play, right,

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I think that a solution might I'm sure your listeners

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know of a Noah band camp.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh I love band camp.

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Speaker 2: Which is which is a great idea. The trouble with

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band camp, I think, is that ninety percent of people

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use it a musician selling their own music. It hasn't

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really got like mainstream traction. If there was a way

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of pushing people towards that, or if Spotify could do

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a add a button to buy a song if you

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like it enough for whatever pennies you know, yeah, fifty whatever,

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that'd be a game changer. But until then, it's just

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a case of trying to get your music in front

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of people however you can. I'm so grateful if you're

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playing these songs to people would otherwise I'd have no

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way of reaching them. I'm so grateful.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, we're like I said, We're glad to do it.

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And I do love that song. I'm curious about you know,

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you mentioned britt Pop and what that song to me?

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I job, what's up? Good job, thank you? Oh Morning

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Glory is one of my favorite albums ever. But or no,

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about what other you know because you're in where where

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are you exactly? I'm not sure your exact location.

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Speaker 2: I'm in London, sir.

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Speaker 1: You're in London was the.

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Speaker 2: Center of the universe musically until not so long ago. Yeah,

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you go back a few years and you couldn't walk

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I talking about Oasis. I bumped into an old Gallagher

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in a supermarket here. Oh no, Kaddy just ambushed him

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while he was trying to buy his butter. And he

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was a lovely man, lovely man and he's very that.

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brought me lunch breakfast with Black Sabbath. I've got photo

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evidence of a lot of that.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Now, it's just there's been such a what's the word,

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a fragmentation of that industry that it's just hard for

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any of those little ecosystems to sustain themselves. Sure, there

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there there are a couple of new bands getting through.

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are breaking through that sound pretty good like a traditional

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guitar band. Interesting, so in terms of like, we we

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love the britpop thing because we what we really love

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is choruses. Man, people bands now seem to be sort

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of embarrassed about writing choruses. You got to look so moody,

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like why do you? Guitar is meant to make you

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feel good. That's the point at the end, At the

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end of a if if you've got a bunch of

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people who have only seen you for the first time, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Feel exactly that's it, man, aim for aim for the

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jury exactly. No, I agree, I agree. Is there is

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there like a pressure coming from there in terms of,

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you know, being being a band from from London? Well,

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actually though, well interestingly, so you're in London, but not

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all the band members are correct.

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Speaker 2: Oh they're all in London now, oh they are? Yeah? Yeah,

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so were we all live?

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, so now we're a real like in person band.

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Speaker 1: Oh good?

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Speaker 2: And we yeah and we so. The guitarist one of them, Parlo,

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Speaker 1: Oh okay.

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Speaker 2: But we came together with the all we found each

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, So is there a pressure like being a

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trying to cut through the noise. There's that part, but

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know it used to be if it's not still or

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one of the centers of of the of the musical universe,

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to is there a certain expectation there or or a

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Speaker 2: Or I really can't. I mean, we're just so blessed

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a certain weight I think like this. The venue that

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we're playing next Saturday is called the Troubadour. Oh yes,

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really can find amazing people. The guy that the song

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called Paul Tipler, who was a lovely man and he

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runs a little studio in London. He charges next to

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nothing for it and he's put out. He's produced Doctor

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like he's there are just these people around, like there's

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a really nice I've never met anyone who wants to

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do anyone down in music. I haven't. Everyone's been lovely. Yeah,

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and I think that might be. I do love London,

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but there is something magic about it now.

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Speaker 1: Is it Unit thirteen? Is that where you recorded that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, great, great sound. You know obviously it came

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that you've released or are releasing? Are those all recorded

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Speaker 2: So we did a song called The Downside that came

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next the next song, Delilah, is that next Friday. I'll

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send it to you after after this chat to enjoy

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what what what song is it?

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Speaker 2: It's called Delilah?

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Speaker 1: Oh, Delilah? Okay, okay, and I do. Have you also

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sent us Ramona, which I'm going to play at the

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end of our conversation. That's a great song too. I

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really like that a lot.

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Speaker 2: And that was that was produced by a friend of

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Speaker 1: I guess it's amazing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there's there's a magic there, right, serendipity.

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Speaker 1: That's excellent. So in terms of writing, you know, obviously

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you mentioned Nine Miles High. You wrote the lyrics. I

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assume did you also write the music to that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I tend to come in with just really

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basic chords and a melody, and but my voice won't change.

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as much space as they as they want to develop.

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Speaker 1: It has been that way from the beginning with this project.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, who needs to feel that. I don't want

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it to be me and my session band. It has

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to be those guys expressing themselves. It's a nice Arctic

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Monkey's style riffing that the Powder came up with.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, you're right, No, that's yeah, that's cool. And

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then I assume, what what's the live situation like? Are

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you doing a lot of shows? You you know you

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did mention the show at the Troubadour coming up. If

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you've been playing a lot because I can imagine. I

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would assume that in London there's a lot of places

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to play, or maybe not.

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Speaker 2: I'm assuming, but no, there are loads of venues, but

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the audiences for live bands aren't quite what they used

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to be. I'm from Camden, which is I mean, it

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was the musical hub, but so many of those venues

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are closed down now just because the constant tax and

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business rates keep keep going up, which pushes some good

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people out of business.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: But that said, that said, there are some growing scenes.

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There's some wonderful people here. There's Debbie from Cooper Concept

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who's built a fantastic little scene over in West London.

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There's a new friend of ours called Johnny. I only

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know him as Johnny Middleman. He's a bit secretive. He's

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he's putting on the gig at the Troubador as part

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of what he's trying to develop into a gig cooperative

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with the London with a London band, and there are

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three other bands from other major English cities. So they're

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going to come down and see us and then soon

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we'll go up and play their places. Because that's, as

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I say, being from London, we're so blessed that it's

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easy for us to get gigs in London.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we can just you know.

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Speaker 2: You get a bus there. It's not hard. But if

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you've got to come down from Manchester or Liverpool, that's

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that's a big investment.

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Speaker 1: Right right now. That's that's excellent. Are are you playing

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like pretty consistently or what's what's the what's the schedule?

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Speaker 2: As much as we can, we've got to we play

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a lot to each other. We've got to shared that

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we're always playing it. Yeah, but in terms of like

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we're trying to play one London gig a month and

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then get out of London to play other places.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm really curious what the name Howling Hawk means.

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I'm sure you get this question all the time, but uh,

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I like the name, but I'm curious what it means.

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Speaker 2: It's just Howling Wolf was taken, that's about.

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Speaker 1: It a long time ago. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think that the best, the best rock and roll

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band name ever is the Rolling Stones for me, Okay,

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And we were trying to come up with something in

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the same bluesy vein and just something about that. Howling stuck. Yeah,

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and we went through it to try and find you've

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got Arctic monkeys. We don't want it to be ridiculous

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like howling penguin. Certain edge to it.

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Speaker 1: No, I like it. I like it. Did you did

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the name come easily? Or did you have to go

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through some and to find one that you agree on?

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Speaker 2: God? No, I've had so many, so many terrible, terrible names.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I love I love hearing about rejected band names.

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Give me, give me what you got. I love this.

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Speaker 2: Lima was floated around for a while, really, as in

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the monkey, the little furry thing that be something exotic

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and cool?

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Speaker 1: Well, was it gonna be Howleen lemur or just uh see.

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Speaker 2: If we'd have had you? We we went through a

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phase of just adding colors, two different nouns as well. Okay,

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the red, the red seven, you know, the blue whatever,

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the blue. But yeah, harling Hawk has done quite well.

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It looks pretty good on a T shirt as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. No, it's a cool name.

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Although the red seven is kind of cool. I wonder,

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I wonder if anyone else has taken that. I do

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like that, but I think, excuse me, I think no,

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Howling Hawk is a great name. And when how long

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has this project existed? When when, when roughly did you

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start this?

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Speaker 2: Well, I met the guitarist Reese, the guitarist Gonzalo and

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Parlo about two years back, okay, and we've had a

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series of different drummers for different reasons too, wet. We

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met Reese in about the summer of last year, okay,

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so probably since then. This feels like the band at

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the moment.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is a relatively new project then in

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the grand scheme of things.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely so if everything's we're still learning how to

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do everything really.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. It's interesting too that you mentioned about drummers. It

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sounds like you've been through a few. I don't know

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if it's the same there, but I can tell you

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here every drummer I know is in just multiple projects

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because there's only you know, we we talked at the

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beginning about how bass players are, you know, harder to find.

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Drummers are like impossible.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I only played the bass because I

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couldn't find a bassist. Yeah, to guitarists and bass instead.

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But this this drummer, now, Reese, aside from being a

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talented drummer, he sings as well. Yeah, so we've been

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leaning into that to try and build up that Lenin

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and McCartney vocal vibe. Right, it's ridiculously arrogant, isn't it.

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How can you jump from hockey jumped to Lennon and McCartney. Yeah,

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far more, far more average than Lennon McCartney. But we're

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going to have multiple voices from now so that should

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be fun.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I think that's excellent. So so the show

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at the Troubadour is on the twenty eighth, so that's

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a big deal. Who do you want to mention? Who

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else is on that show with you? You guys are

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the headliners? Correct, Yeah, we are.

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Speaker 2: And they're there are only I think a few. It's

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like a handful of tickets left now, which is really

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eating because it's being filmed and recorded as well. Excellent

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to put out a live at the Troubadour EP later

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in the year.

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Speaker 1: Oh, very cool.

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Speaker 2: So the other bands we've got, uh, there's a Bank

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and the Mama's Boys.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's Fantastic's a band called black Manas okay.

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Speaker 2: Well, and they're they're really good. Some of their stuff

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sounds a bit like they're from Manchester. If you imagine

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LCD sound system but with a thick Manchester.

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Speaker 1: Accent okay, okay, interesting.

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Speaker 2: And there's another band called Brides who are really cool okay,

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and they'll be grateful for that shout out.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, no doubt, no doubt. That's great. And then

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so what's what's the next thing after that? Because I know, well, well, actually,

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let me ask it this way. When does the or

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maybe it's already started. You said, you know you guys

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are going to do one single a month, So is

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that is that cycle already begun? As far as I know,

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Nine Miles High is new right? When what does that

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come out this month or last month?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? So that came out. We're trying to put a

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somewher on the last day. I think enough that's been

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out for two three weeks now, and we've been it's

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it's been great. How how many how anna say? We've

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been stuck in a little London bubble for a while

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and so so we're really grateful for the people who

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are seeing us and hearing us. A lot of the

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time it's the same people. So to get the music

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out and heard in other strange and interesting places, it's

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really fun, Like you get messages from interesting places. So

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we're trying to get some airplay in places that we

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wouldn't normally go the next song. We've got a few

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conversations like this booked in with places in Italy and Chile,

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and then we'd like to get maybe go out abroad

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somewhere and play. Well.

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Speaker 1: That's kind of a that's kind of an interesting advantage too.

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Where where you've you've got in terms of the members

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of the band, there's some there in terms of where

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they're from originally, so it kind of gives you it

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kind of gives you an in, uh in some places

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that you wouldn't otherwise have. So that's pretty cool.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we've we've had some some radio play in with

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indie books in Brazil and Argentina, Okay, but we haven't

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had any interviews or any proper conversations yet. Yeah, so

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we'd like to build some relationships with that. That's a

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big part of what we do. This is just meeting

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people with the same interests. You like, the same things,

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you know, we want to make friends. Yeah, and sure

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there's those joyful womens.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely, that's how you build a fan base.

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So no, I think you're I think you're on a

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great trajectory. Like I said, I listened to UH. I

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listened to a bunch of the songs, you know, because

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we did mention band camp. So I was listening to UH.

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Obviously I love nine Miles High. I was listening to

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some of the other tracks on band camp. The great

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thing about band camp too, is and because I mentioned this,

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every opportunity I get, because a lot of people don't

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realize this, you get a higher quality file on band

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camp than you do if you're just say you're just

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streaming it on YouTube or something like that. So I'm

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a big I'm a big proponent of band camp. I

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think that's the best place to listen to that to

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listen to music personally.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I tried is it title?

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Speaker 1: I tried title?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was okay. And there's one I think called

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Coba's or quobas q ob u z. And it's really

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really noticeable that the leap in audio quality. I think

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there's a whole a whole generation of people now who

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have only ever used Spotify and YouTube, who have never

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had the chance to listen to Dark Side of the

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Moon or Sergeant Pepper on vinyl through nice speakers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they are, they are missing out. Nothing sounds

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better than vinyl. I love the warmth of vinyl. What

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so are are? Do you guys have any plans to

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release any physical media or is everything digital? Because I

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can tell you that here in the US, CDs not

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that they ever went away, but it seems like over

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the last five or six years have have sort of

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made a comeback in the sense that a lot of

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independent artists here really like to have physical media. But

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I've also noticed when I talked to artists from the UK,

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it seems a little different there. It seems like, uh

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like maybe you've all just kind of left that in

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the past. I don't know, though, I'm curious what your

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perspective is on that.

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Speaker 2: I think I think people are naturally inclined to want

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artifacts that commemorate the things that they love. Yes, like

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I've I've got you, and I have got access to

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YouTube for free. We could listen to any song that's

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ever been released without spending your penny. But they've still

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got that drive in me to buy the latest vital

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by my favorite band. Yes, if I reissues and I

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find that people want people buy CDs from us, then

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they'll they'll never play them. They'll listen to us. In

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other ways. Anyway, I want to have something that shows

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that they've they've built that connection. So yeah, absolutely, we're

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starting to move into physical media.

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Speaker 1: Excellent.

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Speaker 2: There's been a weird push for old style cassettes, you know,

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like the old Walkman people. I think that just looks

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really cool when you put it on a shelf. Yeah,

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it might be that. I would love to get some

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vinyl going, but it's just it's just not realistic.

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Speaker 1: It's very expensive.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Have you heard of Third Man Records?

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Speaker 1: That sounds familiar to me. I'm not sure that.

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Speaker 2: So Jack White, the White Stripes Jack White, Yeah, really

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really cool. Guy is pushing for greater accessibility for vinyl. Oh, okay,

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and he's opened a he's got a store in Nashville,

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I know, but he's opened up another one in London,

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not far from where I'm sitting now. And at the

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back is a nineteen fifties straight to wax recording booth.

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Oh you can go in and record records straight onto vinyl.

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But it's broken. I go in there once a week

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to see if they've had it repaired. I'm praying that

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by the end of this year, I've.

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Speaker 1: Got something on vinyl that's interesting. Yeah, here in the US.

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It was either twenty two or twenty three was the

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first year, or maybe it was twenty four. It all

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becomes a blur, but the first year that vinyl actually

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outsold CDs, uh for the first time since CDs became

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the you know, the primary medium for music. So yeah,

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love love the sound of vinyl, and and people give

477
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me vinyl records sometimes. You know, some of the guests

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that we have on the show that are here in person,

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and you know, I don't I don't even have a

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record player at home. We do have one here in

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the station. I don't have one at home, but it's

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just cool to have it, you know, and it looks

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good on the wall, and you know, love vinyl.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mean someone it might have been

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Warren Zevon was talking about books. He said that we

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buy books not necessarily to buy them, but because we

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feel richer having them around. And I think having vinyls

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is the same thing. I love that vinyls have also

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brought back a new found love for art and for

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cover art. Yes, means people are displaying these things in

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their homes.

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Speaker 1: That's a great point. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, well, Jim in

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a moment we're gonna we'll hit that track, Ramona. This

494
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is another great song and I really like this a lot.

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But before we do that, and you know, we'll let

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you go in a moment when we do that. But

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where is the best place to go? Where should people

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go online to keep up with everything that Howling Hawk

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is doing.

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Speaker 2: We're we're most active on Instagram, but you can follow

501
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us wherever you like if you go to harling hawk

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dot com. Okay, you want to speak to me and

503
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say hello and maybe you'll send you a present, and

504
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just go to go to the Instagram.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's easy. Yeah, absolutely, Yeah. It seems like Instagram

506
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is really becoming in terms of social media, kind of

507
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the main hub now for a lot of artists, which

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is which is interesting.

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Speaker 3: It's amazing the people that you find on there. I

510
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was talking the other day to Gordon Raphael, you recorded

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the first two Strokes albums. Yes, chatting away on Instagram

512
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is it's what Twitter should have been?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I like how you said that is what

516
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Twitter should have in Yeah, that ship is sealed. Well,

517
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very good, very good. Well, Jim listen, thank you so

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much for joining us today, and we will definitely do

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this again in the future. I'd love to have you

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back because it sounds like you're gonna be. If you're

521
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gonna be releasing a new single every month, then that's easy.

522
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We will definitely have you back, and we're happy to

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also kind of be your your conduit into the American

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radio market here.

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Speaker 2: Because thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely, because we really love what you're doing. Anything

527
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we should know about this song, Ramona, I think you

528
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said in the email, this is one of your favorites.

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Speaker 2: It is. It's absolute nonsense. It's like John Lennon stall Doggrel.

530
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I read about how David Bowie wrote some of his

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songs by just writing. He collected up newspapers and cut

532
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the lines out and then rearrange them like a like

533
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a weird jigsaw, and it's just that.

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Speaker 1: So okay.

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Speaker 2: I like the idea that that sort of fate might

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lead it to a meaning for someone who's listening, but

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for us, it's just fun.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, No, I like that. So we'll share this

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with everybody, and I'm gonna hit that track, but Jim,

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we will let you go. Jim from of course Howling Hawk,

541
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thank you so much, and like I said, you know,

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bass players unite and uh and I really appreciate you

543
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joining us today and I look forward to the next

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time we get to speak.

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Speaker 2: Thanks man, great talking

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Speaker 1: Absolutely jam all right, thank you, take care,