Speaker 1: I love for the people JJ and p D rocket
Speaker 1: every week.
Speaker 2: This was a terrible decision. I drank way too much tonight.
Speaker 1: And we can't let that happen. We just can't let
Speaker 1: that happen on this podcast because we are for the people.
Speaker 3: At the end of the day, the guy's a hell
Speaker 3: of a player beyond nails.
Speaker 2: That is the hardest part three of the PJ Tour.
Speaker 1: It's a hybrid three hired or four iron. Every day
Speaker 1: it's for the people.
Speaker 4: You're the last group off off a split tea horseshoe
Speaker 4: on number ten and you do a happy get more.
Speaker 3: What the hell's wrong with that?
Speaker 2: Well, here we are.
Speaker 1: Jared Dorfler is on Four of the People today. He's
Speaker 1: an expert at all things golf business, according to Colleen.
Speaker 1: So here we go. We're going to talk golf business today,
Speaker 1: golf business season on Four of the People. What are
Speaker 1: we going to talk about? Well, golf and business. Let's
Speaker 1: talk about right now. Probably the best time I can
Speaker 1: remember financially in the history of professional golfer. That goes
Speaker 1: without being said. Right now for golf companies, equipment companies,
Speaker 1: they got a big decision with the golf ball. They're
Speaker 1: going to spend a shitload of money if they have
Speaker 1: to make another one. What do we think about that?
Speaker 4: Jared probably knows more than you and I do, PD,
Speaker 4: he knows more than more than we do about it.
Speaker 4: So Jared, let's let's just start with the golf, with
Speaker 4: the freaking the USG's announcement which in like two years
Speaker 4: or whatever the hell they're doing. If they're thinking about
Speaker 4: rolling back the golf ball for high level amateur and
Speaker 4: professional professional golf, what are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, evening boys get to chat with you. First of all,
Speaker 2: definitely not an expert, just while reading about and learning
Speaker 2: about golf business. Secondly, Yeah, I've kind of come full
Speaker 2: circle on this USGA announcement, Like I kind of thought
Speaker 2: about it today more and the AHAGA put out an
Speaker 2: announcement and essentially what they said is their players are
Speaker 2: going to play this new ball. So essentially what's going
Speaker 2: to happen is there's a new ball for everybody. It's
Speaker 2: not going to end up just being for the tour guys.
Speaker 2: Everyone's going to be playing this ball. The ten handicapper
Speaker 2: may want to play it whatever. So what the USGA
Speaker 2: just date is they just essentially said, we're in mandate
Speaker 2: from a third party about what the manufacturers can make.
Speaker 2: And I don't know a whole lot about R and
Speaker 2: D and do a golf ball. But what I do
Speaker 2: know is that titleist in Callaways spend well over fifty
Speaker 2: million dollars a year in R and D. And it's
Speaker 2: not like they can just open up their book to
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety with a Ballota recipe and just push a
Speaker 2: button and they're going to make a golf ball that
Speaker 2: is conforming in three years. So it's going to require
Speaker 2: R and D. It's going to require a lot of testing,
Speaker 2: dimple patterns, material sourcing, supply chain. It's not going to
Speaker 2: be easy. And then again, they do have three years,
Speaker 2: so they have plenty of time to figure it out.
Speaker 4: Didn't I didn't read that about the AGAGA. I mean,
Speaker 4: I guess that's cool. Those kids are trying to Those
Speaker 4: kids are trying to make it play there whatever. I mean,
Speaker 4: I guess they're they're when those kids are practicing at
Speaker 4: home and their parents are buying them golf balls because
Speaker 4: obviously they can't afford to pay for their own golf
Speaker 4: balls if they're twelve, thirteen, fourteen years old or whatever,
Speaker 4: that's what they practice with at home. What's what's weird
Speaker 4: is I mean, they'd almost have to say that we're
Speaker 4: using this ball or you can use both if you
Speaker 4: want to. But it's super unfair. I would guess if
Speaker 4: the Ajja kids or anybody else was using the newer
Speaker 4: ball that is, you know, doesn't go as far as
Speaker 4: spins more, whatever the heck it is, and then some
Speaker 4: kids using the other one, that's what's going to get weird.
Speaker 4: The other thing is And we kind of talked about
Speaker 4: it when we did like a Twitter spaces. But like
Speaker 4: when you're a high level golfer, not only driver that's
Speaker 4: the most important to like fit for a golf ball,
Speaker 4: but like irons, even wedges, I mean probably not butter,
Speaker 4: let's be honest, but that's like a whole set of
Speaker 4: clubs literally that you're that you're playing where you have
Speaker 4: to be fit specifically for a golf ball. So like
Speaker 4: the going the balancing back and forth would be difficult.
Speaker 4: So if they're just using that ball the whole entire time,
Speaker 4: I guess that makes the fitting or whatever it is
Speaker 4: a little different. But I haven't heard anyone. I haven't
Speaker 4: heard any modern players that are at the top of
Speaker 4: their game. Someone might might have said it a majority
Speaker 4: that I heard from here yesterday when they announced it,
Speaker 4: thought this shit was was dumb. But have you heard
Speaker 4: anything yet from like someone that's way way upper echelon
Speaker 4: top ten even twenty that's a proponent of it. I
Speaker 4: just haven't heard anything yet.
Speaker 2: No, I haven't heard anything or anyone that it's in
Speaker 2: favor of it that would fit that criteria what you mentioned.
Speaker 2: I just think it's to be really difficult to play
Speaker 2: two golf balls. I mean, I don't know. I don't
Speaker 2: see that being realistic. I don't know what the college
Speaker 2: kids do. I don't know what the you know, the
Speaker 2: junior kids do. It's gonna be really interesting to see
Speaker 2: how it plays out. Yeah, the proponents, what I've learned
Speaker 2: is architecture people right, they're gonna They're after it. They're
Speaker 2: they're for it. They want to see the architecture of
Speaker 2: golf courses preserved. Some older, older players are for it.
Speaker 2: Generally speaking, Tiger, I guess is for it. I haven't
Speaker 2: seen him say a statement, but people are paraphrasing what
Speaker 2: he said, so who knows. I mean what what I
Speaker 2: don't like JJ is I just golf is so good
Speaker 2: right now. It's like we're throwing We're just throwing a
Speaker 2: wrench in it. For I guess I shouldn't say no reason,
Speaker 2: but I don't like disruption. It's like, the momentum is
Speaker 2: so strong in every different way. Why do we have
Speaker 2: to disrupt the momentum?
Speaker 4: Well, dude, it's like if you whatever I like. I
Speaker 4: like using analogies that are stupid because that's what I am.
Speaker 4: But like if you own the you in the world's
Speaker 4: greatest pizza franchise and everybody goes there because you have
Speaker 4: the best like sauce in the world, and then all
Speaker 4: of a sudden, you're doing the best business business, your
Speaker 4: wives are making, you're making more money than you ever have.
Speaker 4: And then you say, you know what, I'm going to
Speaker 4: change my sauce. And it's going to be in two years.
Speaker 4: But we're going to change it. Even though it's the
Speaker 4: best in the world, we're gonna make it worse because
Speaker 4: we're going to go back to the whatever quality of
Speaker 4: the you know, brick Oven from Freaking Italy in seventeen
Speaker 4: twenty seven. I have no idea it Just like, from
Speaker 4: a business standpoint, if you need to make changes. If
Speaker 4: your business isn't going well, you need to pivot, you
Speaker 4: need to whatever it is right if you're running a business,
Speaker 4: but changing changing something when you're when it's better than
Speaker 4: it's ever been, that's crazy And Tigers ago, Like, I
Speaker 4: could never argue against anything he says, but I can
Speaker 4: probably one million percent guarantee you he'd be singing a
Speaker 4: different tune if it was two thousand and not twenty
Speaker 4: twenty three.
Speaker 2: You know, wasn't he the first person to play a
Speaker 2: three piece ball on tour?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean he's he's he's had his own he's
Speaker 4: had his own kind of personalized equipment, you know, all
Speaker 4: this stuff with Stamp Nike obviously it was it wasn't
Speaker 4: anything that anybody sold. His ball was way different. He
Speaker 4: had a ball. I think his ball might have spun
Speaker 4: more or whatever, but he had his stuff dialed like
Speaker 4: he was a super super tech mechanical guy. He wasn't
Speaker 4: a you know, grab it off the rack whatever. Like
Speaker 4: everything that he's had has been you know, pretty much calibrated.
Speaker 4: But yeah, it's very surprising. I mean I heard Jack Nicholas. Obviously,
Speaker 4: you know he's doesn't play anymore. Maybe he kicks it
Speaker 4: around every now and again recreationally. But I just haven't
Speaker 4: heard any of the modern players that are like at
Speaker 4: their peak, that think it's a uh I think it's
Speaker 4: a good idea. And that's when you know that it's
Speaker 4: a bad idea because thank God, like the PGA Tour,
Speaker 4: players are actually like running the tour now, I mean
Speaker 4: it's run by players, Like, let's be honest, they're they're
Speaker 4: doing all these special events for the top guys, making
Speaker 4: more money, all these things. Like the commissioner doesn't want
Speaker 4: to do any of these things, like doing it because
Speaker 4: the players are saying, hey, this is kind of how
Speaker 4: it has to go moving forward, and boom they're doing it.
Speaker 4: So it just seems weird, man.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, don't you think that it's going to be
Speaker 1: a different deal for college players? So college players can
Speaker 1: use an aluminum bat right now, then they turned pro
Speaker 1: and they have to use a wooden bat. But if
Speaker 1: you remember like the gorilla ball days of the nineties
Speaker 1: and two thousands, remember those bats. Those dudes are hitting it.
Speaker 1: So there's an East and I forget the actual brand,
Speaker 1: the model name of the Eastern bat, but a guy
Speaker 1: did a survey. He went he was a former college
Speaker 1: baseball player, still in good shape. He got today's baseball bat,
Speaker 1: these college players using Marucci, and then he got one
Speaker 1: from like the late nineties, early two thousands guerrilla ball
Speaker 1: before they changed the bat, and he got them on track.
Speaker 1: Man compared him side by side, and since the exit
Speaker 1: speeds on the track, Man like he had to spank
Speaker 1: one to get it to one hundred and ten exit speed.
Speaker 1: Uh with today's bat. But then he pulled the gorilla
Speaker 1: ball bat the easton from the I was like ninety
Speaker 1: nine or two thousand one two was his first exit
Speaker 1: speed on track man. So but they but they rolled
Speaker 1: the bat back and it ended up being like nothing.
Speaker 1: After five years, guys are still hitting home runs. It's
Speaker 1: still exciting for the fans. Shit. I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: know how many home runs Lushues hit through fifteen games
Speaker 1: this year, but it's at least won a game. So
Speaker 1: I think it's we're kind of in that that area
Speaker 1: right now with the golf ball, where it sounds like
Speaker 1: a terrible idea. Everybody hates it. That's in their prime, right,
Speaker 1: but then if you do it five years down the road,
Speaker 1: it's forgotten about it. Sound it feels like that's this
Speaker 1: is one of those things and I'm not for it.
Speaker 1: Like I'm definitely not for it. I like, I need
Speaker 1: all the distance I can get. I'm a short, I'm
Speaker 1: a short piece of shit hitter anyway I need. I
Speaker 1: need the extra fifteen yards. But I'm not going to
Speaker 1: be playing it, obviously. I'm going to be playing the
Speaker 1: ball from Taylor May that they send me, and it's
Speaker 1: not going to be the tour ball I'm not. I
Speaker 1: don't give a shit. I don't want to hit it
Speaker 1: two sixty instead of two eighty.
Speaker 4: That's probably what they're going to send. Dude, they no joke,
Speaker 4: That's probably what the lind ub sending. So like Jared
Speaker 4: was saying, like the AJJA announced that all the kids
Speaker 4: in their tournaments would be playing the new spinny balls
Speaker 4: the AGA.
Speaker 1: What about college? So I brought that college analogy. I
Speaker 1: brought that college college.
Speaker 4: For sure is going to have to if AJGA is
Speaker 4: playing it, for sure, college guys are going to be
Speaker 4: playing it.
Speaker 1: Which is which is you think, Oh hell yes, I
Speaker 1: mean they can use rangebinders. They can use rangebinders in college.
Speaker 1: They can wear shorts, but they can as.
Speaker 4: A pro that's the highest level amateur golf in the
Speaker 4: world is D one college at the top, those guys
Speaker 4: are as good. I mean, the top five guys are
Speaker 4: pig I agree.
Speaker 1: But there's also a different set of rules right for
Speaker 1: college for college golf than there is for the PGA Tour. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just like there is college base.
Speaker 4: But if they're doing it in junior golf, if they're
Speaker 4: doing it in junior golf, they're going to do it
Speaker 4: in college golf.
Speaker 2: I bet, I bet you, Yeah you think so. Oh
Speaker 2: So here's what the a j g A said. They
Speaker 2: if they essentially walked it down the line. They said,
Speaker 2: our mission and purpose is to prepare our players for
Speaker 2: college golf. If it's adopt at the collegiate level, it
Speaker 2: would be an important part of that preparation for our
Speaker 2: players and college coaches who are recruiting them, which essentially
Speaker 2: means they're going to encourage their players to play that
Speaker 2: ball if it's adopted at the collegiate level. And and
Speaker 2: p D, I don't know how it's not adopted at
Speaker 2: the collegiate level. When you got guys like Texas tagu
Speaker 2: what's his name, JJ, he's playing a Yeah, you love
Speaker 2: but he's playing in its second tour event this week.
Speaker 2: What's he going to do next week when he goes
Speaker 2: out with Texas Tech and the switch balls? Yeah, and
Speaker 2: then come back. I just don't know how you do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, gues see that through. And that's like,
Speaker 1: are these things going to be on the shelf like
Speaker 1: they have to be if you're playing the AJGA, This
Speaker 1: like dumb down. You know, tour ball has to be
Speaker 1: on the shelf, and you have to have all your
Speaker 1: favorite brands. So every single brand of golf ball manufacturers
Speaker 1: is going to have to sack up, spend fifty million
Speaker 1: dollars and make their own version of this thing. Like
Speaker 1: I just it's fine, Like I don't know, I don't
Speaker 1: like it, but I can also see where we'll forget
Speaker 1: about it really quick, you know, in two or three years.
Speaker 1: I think that's right.
Speaker 2: And here's the thing that I've kind of come away with.
Speaker 2: I cannot believe like how divisive this was on golf
Speaker 2: Twitter and in the golf world. I mean it's like
Speaker 2: live two point up. It's like if you just tweet
Speaker 2: the year four against it, you're gonna get ratioed. I
Speaker 2: simply put a graph up of the R and d
Speaker 2: Expanse for Titleist and Calaway and literally got ratio and whatever,
Speaker 2: like some people probably have fair points in there, but
Speaker 2: I'm just like, holy shit, I had no idea that
Speaker 2: everyone was this fired up about it. I know you
Speaker 2: we're going to get excited, but my god, yeah yeah
Speaker 2: it doesn't.
Speaker 1: Really that goes without saying though it's Twitter, right, Twitter
Speaker 1: is not really for one for two for two, like
Speaker 1: I love. I love going on Twitter and just lighting
Speaker 1: a small fire, like just a real small fire with
Speaker 1: one tweet and then just reading the responses and just
Speaker 1: not responding to anyone. That's my favorite thing to do,
Speaker 1: is like not responding to anyone, but lighting a small
Speaker 1: fire at the top and just watching it just get
Speaker 1: bigger and bigger and bigger as it goes. That's the
Speaker 1: best thing about Twitter is that when you ignore people,
Speaker 1: it makes them more mad than if you actually like
Speaker 1: came back with something really really good.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: That's why the mute button is so powerful, Like I've
Speaker 1: got I've got a lot of people muted, Like a
Speaker 1: whole lot of people muted, and they don't know, they
Speaker 1: have no idea, Like that's that's the best, Like they're
Speaker 1: just yelling into into the black hole at that point.
Speaker 1: And I love that part about Twitter. But yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you pick aside at any time on
Speaker 1: Twitter people, whether you're wrong, you're what because it's Twitter's
Speaker 1: not real, it's just not But but the golf ball
Speaker 1: thing's gonna have to be. It's gonna have to be
Speaker 1: probably played on the PGA Tour. I would imagine. I
Speaker 1: would guess that live would follow. I would guess if
Speaker 1: the World Tour does it to everybody does at college golf,
Speaker 1: AJGA all the way down. But what I'm what I'm
Speaker 1: so confused about is is how are they going to
Speaker 1: get this thing to the regular guy? Like how there's
Speaker 1: gonna have to be millions of these things made. If
Speaker 1: they're going to be required in AJGA and high school golf,
Speaker 1: like they're just gonna be, they might as well just
Speaker 1: make it the regular ball and not not make a
Speaker 1: hyped up ball anymore.
Speaker 3: Yeah, make golf hard.
Speaker 4: It's easy of ship, right, That's why, that's why, that's
Speaker 4: why golfers can't break ninety.
Speaker 1: It's so dumb. Yeah, I'm not for it, but I
Speaker 1: do I do think we'll forget about it really quickly, dude.
Speaker 4: You know what, you know what be like a nails
Speaker 4: marketing deal for Live and they're like, fuck this man,
Speaker 4: we're gonna go anti spin, Like we're gonna anti spin
Speaker 4: Mafia anti with just pimples, you know, like they did.
Speaker 4: They pay the Saudi's pay Infinity money to design a
Speaker 4: ball that goes like forever, Like I'm talking forever. Like
Speaker 4: they're playing Greenbrier this year, like first hole Bryce and
Speaker 4: gets up there and like flies the green with driver.
Speaker 3: That would be must watch TV. I mean, are you
Speaker 3: freaking kidding me?
Speaker 4: Watching guys fly at four hundred in the air PGA
Speaker 4: Tour they fly it too, just as down eighteen yards,
Speaker 4: the Live Tour average driving distance REPD is three point
Speaker 4: thirty nine off the freaking team.
Speaker 1: Uh you pair that with some pure spin wedges and
Speaker 1: guys are just sucking sucking it back from you know,
Speaker 1: the back of the green all the way to the
Speaker 1: front of the green forty yards.
Speaker 4: I mean people are like a guy, I mean, you've
Speaker 4: played in the Masters, so like my really really I
Speaker 4: wish you would actually not light small fires. I wish
Speaker 4: you'd like pour gasoline on them on Twitter. But people
Speaker 4: are like Augusta Nashal's becoming you know, irrelevant. I was like,
Speaker 4: I mean, when I look at people that have a
Speaker 4: green jacket, I'm pretty sure like the Champions dinner, it's
Speaker 4: not a bunch of people that suck ass in the
Speaker 4: champ dinner on Tuesday, Like, I'm pretty sure that. I mean,
Speaker 4: they're acting like Bryson like was driving. They're acting They're
Speaker 4: acting like Bryson drove thirteen and Augusta. That's what like
Speaker 4: we were saying yesterday, some of these people are acting
Speaker 4: like Bryson just pulled up driver and drove thirteen to
Speaker 4: a foot and tapped in for double eagle.
Speaker 2: I'm I mean.
Speaker 4: It's like it's like, well, Augusta had to spend you know,
Speaker 4: seventy nine million to extend the tea back fifty yards,
Speaker 4: so guys would well now instead of three where they're
Speaker 4: hitting the driver, who cares, they're still eating pitching witch
Speaker 4: and their guys are stronger than they are too, I mean,
Speaker 4: p d dude, how much stronger are guys? Well, like,
Speaker 4: I'm older, but when I would like first started out
Speaker 4: on corn Ferry and then the guys that when I
Speaker 4: was like twenty three or whatever, twenty four and the
Speaker 4: guys were old, like the forty eight year old guys
Speaker 4: and I don't know, hopefully they're still alive when I
Speaker 4: was there, however, the old they are now, But like
Speaker 4: they were a different body style.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 4: They were like they were like Burrows, Like I mean,
Speaker 4: I'm wor up. Yeah well yeah yeah, well lump he's alive.
Speaker 4: But but like, dude, it is it different. I mean,
Speaker 4: we're talking guys, guys hanging on Yeah.
Speaker 3: He's hanging in there.
Speaker 4: We're talking to like guys that are ten years you know,
Speaker 4: past Champions Tour now. But it was a like guys
Speaker 4: are bigger now, they're stronger. I mean, I mean, I
Speaker 4: don't know, Bernard Longer has been on the Champions Store
Speaker 4: for a million years. But you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: some of those guys, well, the thing is they're going
Speaker 4: to catch up to it, like the ball is going
Speaker 4: to be dumbed down, and then ten years from now
Speaker 4: they're gonna have to do it again. It's like it's
Speaker 4: just backwards. You know, they're not going to ever raise
Speaker 4: the hoop in basketball. They're not going to do it.
Speaker 1: People want to see badass dunks and crazy layups. And
Speaker 1: stupid finishes to games when you have a bad inbound pass,
Speaker 1: like that's that's the beauty of it, you know, it's
Speaker 1: it's people. People evolve with the game.
Speaker 4: Bernard Longer is probably pissed, like he's been on there.
Speaker 4: He's like eighty six years old and he's winning on
Speaker 4: the Champions Tour and he's like, now you got Now I.
Speaker 1: Got to play a ball that goes shorter.
Speaker 3: He's like, are you freaking kidding?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 3: Now all that now, only fifty year olds are gonna
Speaker 3: win out there.
Speaker 1: Like think boring the Champions Tours. You have guys flying
Speaker 1: it when you're playing part three. Like I caddied in
Speaker 1: the US Senior Open last year for Buddy Mine. It
Speaker 1: was it was, It was a good time. But there's
Speaker 1: a par three out there. It's like two twenty, all right.
Speaker 1: The guy was cattying for a strong like bull Clay
Speaker 1: Wings and he was I think he's fifty or fifty one,
Speaker 1: so he's still young for the Champions Tour and he's
Speaker 1: sitting four and farther than I do anyway, But some
Speaker 1: of those dudes like two twenty, that's gonna be a
Speaker 1: full driver for some of those guys, and that's gonna
Speaker 1: be on TV like, oh, what's he got? What's what's
Speaker 1: the caddy saying? Like, what's what's the symbol for driver? Driver?
Speaker 1: On a par three? It's like a full knuckle, like
Speaker 1: you know, half of half a baby arm, Like what
Speaker 1: is it? You know? It's just like it. It's gonna
Speaker 1: suck on TV too. And guys are pulling three wood
Speaker 1: on the PGA Tour from two thirty.
Speaker 4: Well, dude, and and and I don't want to say,
Speaker 4: I don't want I mean people people know that you
Speaker 4: and I love LPGA. Danielle is like our girl, but
Speaker 4: like they don't hit it far an LPGA tour at all,
Speaker 4: and now they're going to hit it shorter too, And
Speaker 4: it's like, I mean, dude, I'm gonna go to a
Speaker 4: Champions Tour event and stand in the gallery and someone's
Speaker 4: going to hit a duck hook off the first tea
Speaker 4: and I'm not even gonna there, like did you see
Speaker 4: a ball? And it was probably hit me in the
Speaker 4: arm and I didn't even feel it because the thing
Speaker 4: is barely moving off the club face like I have
Speaker 4: no I have no idea what happened? Did y'all see
Speaker 4: a ball Like now we got speed bouncing them off
Speaker 4: people's foreheads every other hole back in the middle of
Speaker 4: the fairway.
Speaker 3: I don't know what's going to happen to the marshmallow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean who knows, who knows? Like
Speaker 1: it's gonna They're just gonna have to keep doing it.
Speaker 1: That's the stupid thing is because the clubs really can't
Speaker 1: get any better. I mean, how much better can you
Speaker 1: make a driver? Face? They've been the same for ten years.
Speaker 1: Remember the ping tias I, Oh, the ping taias I
Speaker 1: like started it for me. That thing was so good,
Speaker 1: so good. Couple that with a couple that with the
Speaker 1: pro Force Purple and gold chef man, that was the
Speaker 1: best driver made around. Then then you had the pro
Speaker 1: v and then the ball came came. But the driver,
Speaker 1: it's like the rebound effect, that tranplated effect hasn't changed much.
Speaker 1: Three woods have gotten better, three woods have gotten a
Speaker 1: lot better in the last you know, seven or eight years.
Speaker 1: They've gotten super hot because there's no cr limit on them.
Speaker 1: But drivers really haven't gotten that much better. So whatever
Speaker 1: we stop talking about, stop talking about the golf clubs
Speaker 1: and the gold Oh don't no.
Speaker 4: Dude, but I think or Jeri can chime in here.
Speaker 4: So have you heard any have any LPGA or professional
Speaker 4: golfers have you seen or heard their comments on it?
Speaker 2: It all? I haven't seen anything on it now.
Speaker 4: I mean they're like, listen, I think it's the same
Speaker 4: as the as the men's game. I think potentially the
Speaker 4: champions were the same thing. But like, I think the
Speaker 4: best players are still going to probably win tournaments. But
Speaker 4: do you wanna do you want to see like let's
Speaker 4: say the average drivingess is two forty and it goes
Speaker 4: to like or too sixty one and it goes to
Speaker 4: like two forty two or something like, and nobody want
Speaker 4: to see that shit like same with same with the
Speaker 4: same with the PGA Tour. I mean, it's just it's
Speaker 4: just something else that I don't know. It seems stupid
Speaker 4: to me. It seems dumb. The Champions Tour guys, the
Speaker 4: guys that don't really play that much anymore. Maybe they
Speaker 4: think it's cool or whatever, but I mean, maybe they
Speaker 4: just moved tease up. Maybe they play way the hell up.
Speaker 1: I have no idea.
Speaker 2: Have you either of you hit a driver on a
Speaker 2: par three in a competitive round, like college or.
Speaker 1: After Oh, great question. I've hit three woods, I've hit
Speaker 1: a bunch of I don't think i've ever hit a driver, though, yeah,
Speaker 1: I've hit I've hit a bunch of three woods. That's
Speaker 1: not true. I have hit a driver Marion Marion in
Speaker 1: the US Open. There was a par three at Marion.
Speaker 1: I hit driver Marrion at least twice on a part three.
Speaker 1: But that's that's the only time. Isn't the thirteen twenty thirteen?
Speaker 2: What's the yardage on it? What was the yardage? It's
Speaker 2: like to eighty five.
Speaker 1: I don't remember to eighty five. Yeah, me and I
Speaker 1: was playing with Mike Weir, Me and Mike Weir, and
Speaker 1: we both hit driver. I think I hit it short
Speaker 1: of the green. I don't know. See that's outrageous.
Speaker 2: I hit driver and a college tournament University of Missari
Speaker 2: Dumbest part three on her two sixty five into the
Speaker 2: fan and then coming back was a par four that
Speaker 2: I hit like four iron on the green. It was
Speaker 2: just didn't make any sent from an architectural standpoint. But
Speaker 2: that's the most emasculating thing I think you can do
Speaker 2: hitting and driver on uh part three.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're gonna start seeing a lot of it. Well,
Speaker 1: not a lot of it, but you'll start seeing more
Speaker 1: of it if they do this. Like there's guys on
Speaker 1: the PGA too, like like Brian Gay. Brian Gay still
Speaker 1: plays on tour. His ball speed's like one fifty.
Speaker 3: It's like negative, you know, it's like negative.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, that this curious drivers like two two sixty,
Speaker 1: two fifty five. I like Beach, I'll be in beg forever.
Speaker 1: But dude, if you tell him he's going to lose
Speaker 1: twenty yards in the air at two fifty five to sixty.
Speaker 2: Come on, not going to be thrilled.
Speaker 4: Yeah, dude, I mean some of these yeah, some of
Speaker 4: these majors have long I mean the thing is like
Speaker 4: two forty five par three eight if the wind's favorable, whatever,
Speaker 4: it's the guys are sliding four iron or whatever. But
Speaker 4: oakemand had a number eight at Oakmont was like three
Speaker 4: bills and they had a crossbunker there. But that the
Speaker 4: problem with the reason why guys don't hit drivers now,
Speaker 4: and it's not really like the number like two eighty
Speaker 4: five into the winter is probably driver, but it's just
Speaker 4: it's a little emasculating, like you said. But also like
Speaker 4: the spin is just weird, so even if it hits
Speaker 4: the deck, it's like tumbling, like it just doesn't work out,
Speaker 4: like it's got to be fluttering, or if it's a
Speaker 4: fair way. I mean usually Driver is the only club
Speaker 4: in the bag. We're like not trying to hit a
Speaker 4: distance just far, far and solid right, Like that's the
Speaker 4: goal every time with Driver, you hit it a little
Speaker 4: sandy hill, a little thing like every other club, where
Speaker 4: like if you're hitting a three wood off the tee,
Speaker 4: you're hitting a three wood because you're trying to hit
Speaker 4: it a specific distance right, not too far, there's ship
Speaker 4: on the left, right whatever. But I think, uh, the driver, yep, yeah,
Speaker 4: or you got drive yeah, driver, Driver, So you're just
Speaker 4: trying to You're you're just guidy guidy with goutti with
Speaker 4: the three wood.
Speaker 3: But dude, I think we could see.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 4: I was looking at I was looking at some of
Speaker 4: these I've I've played all this says that monkle I played.
Speaker 1: That's two seventy two that could be into.
Speaker 4: The wind Driver, But a lot of these are at elevation,
Speaker 4: so it's kind of fake news. I don't I don't
Speaker 4: know the US Open this year I think has a
Speaker 4: three hunch the USGA is.
Speaker 3: Going to do really and they have it, yeah, but
Speaker 3: then they have.
Speaker 1: Like a fifty year old or something.
Speaker 3: You could have one that plays eighty seven and they're
Speaker 3: gonna have a three hunch.
Speaker 1: Really.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I like the three hundred. I
Speaker 2: mean maybe like two forty and eighty seven, but whatever.
Speaker 4: Long part threes are probably the laziest golf architecture thing
Speaker 4: you can do. If you have a long part three,
Speaker 4: you need to have like a badass one of the
Speaker 4: template green styles like at Red Feather we have one,
Speaker 4: but we did punch bowl, we did reverse punch Bowl
Speaker 4: half one. But like at Red Feather we did two forty,
Speaker 4: we have two forty eight, one seventy one, fifty five
Speaker 4: and ninety nine. So like you have different long part
Speaker 4: threes are just lazy, Like you've got to have a
Speaker 4: green complex, badan whatever you want to call it, where
Speaker 4: like loops it in because then it's just like right,
Speaker 4: it's just.
Speaker 3: A waste of a hole.
Speaker 4: I think a lot of the time, I mean I
Speaker 4: think people would way rather play like a one fifty
Speaker 4: where you can maybe make a dub because the green's crazy.
Speaker 4: Maybe there's a hazard, maybe there's a wild bunker that
Speaker 4: you can dump it in. But a twenty handicap can
Speaker 4: make a birdie like a no twenty handicap making birdies
Speaker 4: on a two thirty five. I mean it could happen,
Speaker 4: but it's probably not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you played high level golf. I mean you
Speaker 1: played at Missouri? Were you there? When were When were
Speaker 1: you at Missouri?
Speaker 2: I played at Northern Iowa. So at the University of
Speaker 2: Missouri invite when they played there, I had that. Yeah, No,
Speaker 2: I'm not Northern Iowa. It's ben major golf. I mean
Speaker 2: I wasn't good enough to play with urry.
Speaker 1: I mean you still understand numbers, track man and all
Speaker 1: of the high level collegiate golf things that you know
Speaker 1: that collegiate golfers would understand. But so when you're how
Speaker 1: did you transition into business insider doing the business of golf?
Speaker 1: Now you're you're you're I just you know, looks you
Speaker 1: up for the last day and a half. But you've
Speaker 1: got you've got all kinds of stuff going on, dude,
Speaker 1: Like are you in with like equipment contract numbers and
Speaker 1: all that. You know what guys are making?
Speaker 2: Do you know any of that the specifics I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't know specifics on certain things. I mean Asians
Speaker 2: sometimes will float me something, but generally speaking, though, I mean,
Speaker 2: I've got a good idea one of the most interesting things.
Speaker 2: And I'd like to hear you guys take on this.
Speaker 2: You're talk about like equipment contracts, pete is like insurance contracts,
Speaker 2: like they become pretty popular right now. So sure, let's
Speaker 2: say you want to play again. How many starts do
Speaker 2: you have left on corn Faery five? Five? All right,
Speaker 2: so you want to go play again, right and let's
Speaker 2: say that you want to get hooked up with somebody.
Speaker 2: Let's just say it's Taylor made whatever and your agent, guys,
Speaker 2: and Taylor may be like, hey, if if John Peterson,
Speaker 2: when's the corn fairy, that will give him one hundred
Speaker 2: thousand dollars, but he's gonna play for nothing. And then
Speaker 2: they go and they ensure that with an actual underwriter.
Speaker 2: And that's you know, Darren Clark was paid nothing to
Speaker 2: wear the Dumblop logo when he won the Open Championship,
Speaker 2: and I think he ended up making three and a
Speaker 2: half million dollars off the deal. But those are becoming
Speaker 2: more popular and they're interesting because no one really knows
Speaker 2: about him. I guess I should say no one. They're
Speaker 2: under the radar.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And the hard thing about those is you have
Speaker 1: to you have to work a percentage of So, say
Speaker 1: I have five events, right, I have never won in
Speaker 1: the corn Ferry Tour. Okay, I've finished second three times, third, twice, fifth, whatever,
Speaker 1: but I've never won, won the money list, but I've
Speaker 1: never won, So technically my odds are pretty shitty, right
Speaker 1: If I'm gonna win one of those five, so then
Speaker 1: you then you get into Okay, so he's played what
Speaker 1: I spent one full year on the cort Ferry Tour,
Speaker 1: so was thirty events? Call it thirty events, had three seconds,
Speaker 1: two thirds, fifth number one though, So if I'm only
Speaker 1: going to play five, and I'm old, decrepit, beat down,
Speaker 1: had surgeries for kids, slow, all this stuff, like, my
Speaker 1: odds are pretty I bet I bet they would take
Speaker 1: that for less than five thousand dollars, right, Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: on that insurance policy for one hundred thousand dollars payoff,
Speaker 1: You know, I think it'd be less than five I
Speaker 1: think they'd be crazy not to, But you're right, I
Speaker 1: think that's an interesting business perspective from golf. And I
Speaker 1: actually had a deal like that when I was playing
Speaker 1: five or six years ago, is when I was. It
Speaker 1: was when I was wrapping up, but it was it
Speaker 1: was exactly like that. I was on a medical and
Speaker 1: if I kept my car, titleist at the time was
Speaker 1: going to pay me big. If I didn't, they weren't,
Speaker 1: and I lost my card by point five eight FedEx
Speaker 1: Cup points at the Greenbrier, needed a two way tie
Speaker 1: for thirteenth, then finished in a three way TI thirteenth.
Speaker 1: So but yeah, those are I guess they are becoming
Speaker 1: more popular. And really those are more popular for the
Speaker 1: mid major guys, the guys in you know, the the
Speaker 1: eightieth to two hundred spots on the FedEx Cup because
Speaker 1: you're you know, you're your will z Alataurus isn't gonna
Speaker 1: take a deal like that. It's just not Sam Burn's
Speaker 1: ain't gonna take a deal like that unless it's huge.
Speaker 1: These guys they want they want to know what they're
Speaker 1: making so they can budget and how many times are
Speaker 1: they going to the same I'm going to fly straight
Speaker 1: into Rustin from Connecticut, you know, and shit like that
Speaker 1: they got to worry about. But what kind of what
Speaker 1: kind of deals have you worried about, Like who's doing
Speaker 1: those kind of deals.
Speaker 2: From like the sponsor stuff.
Speaker 1: So yeah, like who's doing the insurance stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I wrote a piece on it, and I
Speaker 2: talked to black Swan Sports. They're actually based in Ireland
Speaker 2: and they underwrite a lot of these deals and so yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, a lot of confidentiality agreements in place so
Speaker 2: we can share specific players, but they work with several
Speaker 2: So he said they indirectly work with thirty of the
Speaker 2: top one hundred world, top one hundred players in the world.
Speaker 2: But as you mentioned pdah, I mean will Saladturs he's
Speaker 2: gonna want to guarantee, right, But what they might underwrite
Speaker 2: is will Zalators to win the Masters and they'll give
Speaker 2: them a million dollar bonus one of his spawns. But
Speaker 2: UKG maybe they give a million dollar bonus. They literally
Speaker 2: go to the betting odds and they're like, okay, what
Speaker 2: are the odds that he wins? All right, I'm just
Speaker 2: hypothetically making up with say it's one point five percent.
Speaker 2: That costs the sponsor UKG fifteen grand to underwrite that
Speaker 2: with black Swan then, so from what I understand it's
Speaker 2: fairly I won't say it's fairly prominent, and it's it
Speaker 2: seems to be growing quite a bit, but it's a
Speaker 2: super interesting business. They underte like Ryder Cup, team outcomes,
Speaker 2: major outcomes, multiple winners per year, et cetera.
Speaker 1: So most of these numbers are performance based. They're not
Speaker 1: fare contract minimums, they're not plenty of it minimums, nothing
Speaker 1: like that. These these are performance based things. And I
Speaker 1: would imagine that there's a ton of them. So like
Speaker 1: maybe win one major X, win two majors X, win
Speaker 1: one PGA Tour of it X, make the Ryder Cup
Speaker 1: team X, you know, and all of those I guess
Speaker 1: what you're saying is are mostly insured. But when Colleen
Speaker 1: was on tour and I was on tour back then,
Speaker 1: if you got two hundred thousand dollars as your base,
Speaker 1: that's what you got. And what you're saying is that
Speaker 1: numbers coming from the company more than likely.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, And they're just trying to put more They're
Speaker 2: trying to put more money out there, right like it.
Speaker 2: Here's a good example, like a top player could expect
Speaker 2: like an eight bigger bonus. So, for example, Rory mcroyds
Speaker 2: if Rory wins the Masters, he's making a ton of
Speaker 2: money from a sponsor bonus somewhere. Who is it, don't
Speaker 2: really know, but is it Taylor Made, is it Nikes?
Speaker 2: Is it somebody else? I don't know, but it's likely
Speaker 2: if if Rory or Scottie or any any top player
Speaker 2: wins the Masters, that they'll receive an eight bigger sponsor
Speaker 2: bonus from somebody that's been underwritten on an insurance company
Speaker 2: contract like hit Decki's Masters win might be the greatest,
Speaker 2: one of the greatest wins from a money standpoint of
Speaker 2: all time. No one really talks about it. Like golf
Speaker 2: in Japan, it's so big. Stricks On and Lexus want
Speaker 2: to be all over him and he can basically name
Speaker 2: his number and he's I mean, from what I understand,
Speaker 2: it's probably why he turned down Lived because he can
Speaker 2: make that money with sponsors. Not I haven't confirmed that, right,
Speaker 2: but we can we can assume.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So the talk was, the talk was like he
Speaker 4: was going to go to Live. He was one of
Speaker 4: the hot names or whatever, and now these guys have equity,
Speaker 4: your own part of their team. But the talk was
Speaker 4: that these guys were going to get legitimate spot answers
Speaker 4: to own the teams like f one, like for you know,
Speaker 4: Ferrari for everything like that. Red Bull and tricks On
Speaker 4: obviously they're the candidates who owned the team for him.
Speaker 4: I'm going to guess that deal just like fell through
Speaker 4: because it probably if trickx On owned the team and
Speaker 4: he owned it like he's he's a good candidate for it,
Speaker 4: like he's still got plenty of game or whatever. But dude,
Speaker 4: p D, I don't know when the last tour event
Speaker 4: or whatever when you were there, but like he played
Speaker 4: or whatever in San Antonio a few years ago when
Speaker 4: I was there. But ain't nobody travel around with more
Speaker 4: people than Hadeki Matsiyama.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he's twenty guys.
Speaker 4: He has twenty people on the putting green, and seventeen
Speaker 4: of them can't break a thousand if you gave him
Speaker 4: a golf perfect set of clubs.
Speaker 1: Was the same way, you know when we're when real
Speaker 1: Real Real and me got our tour cards same year,
Speaker 1: fall of thirteen, and we played together a ton of
Speaker 1: times that first year. Same thing, dude, we could be
Speaker 1: the first people off seven to twenty tea time. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm half hung over from the night before, just chugged
Speaker 1: a cup of coffee, barely ate. Roll up to the
Speaker 1: tee and it's packed with Asians, and I'm like, Jesus,
Speaker 1: there's not an American in sight around here. None of
Speaker 1: them speak English. There's cameras all over the place, and
Speaker 1: I could barely open my eyes. But you better be
Speaker 1: ready if you're playing with one of those dudes, because
Speaker 1: they're going to bring They're gonna bring the cameras, They're
Speaker 1: gonna bring the media. And I guess I guess those
Speaker 1: guys like just stay over here for weeks months on end,
Speaker 1: because they sure as shit, we're at every event that
Speaker 1: Hitducky get real play.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're media Like, there's a lot of media, and
Speaker 4: I think, like, like real, like he learned English pretty
Speaker 4: quick Yducky like either doesn't even.
Speaker 1: Try or he pretends. He pretends.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's just like he gets like over it.
Speaker 4: Like if if someone asks him a question that he knows,
Speaker 4: like he'll answer you, but it's a question that feels
Speaker 4: uncomfortable with. He's like, yeah, I'm out like well interpreter
Speaker 4: of this ship right here, but he you know, haw
Speaker 4: DECKI knows enough by now he's been here for whatever,
Speaker 4: well over a decade now. But dude, Japan, you're right,
Speaker 4: they like the Asian golf market used to just be Japan.
Speaker 4: It's obviously not that way anymore. There's there's a lot
Speaker 4: of stuff in China, but Korea Korea's got like crazy
Speaker 4: big so like South specifically South Korea. The North Koreans
Speaker 4: aren't that great at golf, but South Korea, South Korea
Speaker 4: or whatever, Kim Juhn whatever had seventy five hole in once.
Speaker 4: I guess it's you know, one year.
Speaker 1: But an issue like eighteen.
Speaker 4: Killing f you say otherwise, but but but dude, you
Speaker 4: sed to just be South Korean women. There is no
Speaker 4: good South Korean men really until until you got like
Speaker 4: uh kJ and like why Yang made a huge obviously
Speaker 4: like beating Tiger in the PGA at Hazel team, but
Speaker 4: they you know, and they'd have to go to the
Speaker 4: army for two years ago. Now they're South Koreans and
Speaker 4: they're whatever, great personalities, young, they're youngest shit, and they're
Speaker 4: freaking the South Korean guys. There's almost just as many
Speaker 4: as the women, the South Korean women on the LPGA tour,
Speaker 4: So that's probably the mecca of Asian golf right now,
Speaker 4: but still Japan has tricks on Japan. You know, they're
Speaker 4: making all the they're making the equipment, they're making all
Speaker 4: all of these things, and dude, golf Asia is it's humongous.
Speaker 4: It's probably bigger than europe golf.
Speaker 1: I would say.
Speaker 2: I mean, Japan alone is the second biggest market in
Speaker 2: the United States and golf in the world, So I
Speaker 2: mean it goes the United States, then it goes Japan,
Speaker 2: and I mean that's why you look back at some
Speaker 2: of the events if you wanted to kind of just
Speaker 2: circle back like Hadeki and Live, it's if Live would
Speaker 2: have gotten Hideki, it would have been absolutely massive. They
Speaker 2: would have probably gotten a pretty sizable TV contract for
Speaker 2: Japan and other parts of Asia, and they would have
Speaker 2: been huge. And the fact that they weren't able to
Speaker 2: close deal with them or whatever happened is I don't know.
Speaker 2: I would imagine Love Guy yourself talking about it.
Speaker 1: Who do you think goes next? Like I've thought this
Speaker 1: through for a month now and they've been pretty set
Speaker 1: in stone with who they have now, and it really
Speaker 1: hadn't moved much other than the Brendan Steele whatever, who
Speaker 1: the hell else went a month ago? I don't remember,
Speaker 1: But I just don't know if they're going to have
Speaker 1: a big name go this year at the rest of
Speaker 1: the year. Like, I just don't see any anyone that's
Speaker 1: playing on the PGA Tour right now that's playing in
Speaker 1: the big events at least getting into the elevated events.
Speaker 1: It's going to want to go and obviously that was
Speaker 1: their purpose for making those events, and it's working like
Speaker 1: four point five million bucks to Scheffler, all right, unless
Speaker 1: liv starts having like forty million dollars versus every week,
Speaker 1: I just don't see these guys that are playing in
Speaker 1: elevated events going anymore. Even with the cuts.
Speaker 2: Ted Scott's already made a million dollars this year, not
Speaker 2: even in April yet. Yeah, I mean a Caddy has
Speaker 2: made a million. The the payouts on the PGA Tour,
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously credit. I think there's two sides that
Speaker 2: I think the PGA Tour was going to get there,
Speaker 2: but they're gonna be unprofitable. Well, they're going to take
Speaker 2: a loss this year. Credit to them for speeding it up,
Speaker 2: but credit, I mean Live sped them up, so it
Speaker 2: wasn't for Live. We want to see this this year.
Speaker 1: Fuck No, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know why you would go to live right now.
Speaker 2: It doesn't make a lot of sense obviously if they're
Speaker 2: going to throw it in like a hundred million dollar guaranteed,
Speaker 2: that that's different. But dellaturist, I guess to turn down
Speaker 2: what one thirty five or something.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know if any I don't know if anyone
Speaker 2: goes man, I really don't.
Speaker 4: I mean, you have to be serious, serious cash, serious cash.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that that'd be the only reason, right, it's
Speaker 1: and it's fine. Like the guys that are young guys
Speaker 1: could go that went like more. The guys that are
Speaker 1: respect the most are the guys that went first, like
Speaker 1: Hudson Swafford. Dude, Hudson Swafford played in that first London event.
Speaker 1: I saw him the week before he left to go
Speaker 1: to it at the Sectional last year up in Columbus
Speaker 1: when he had announced that he was going, and it
Speaker 1: was it was such a weird vibe up there around
Speaker 1: the guys that were going, and there was only a
Speaker 1: couple of them, but was one of them. And I've
Speaker 1: known HUDs since we were kids playing golf. But I
Speaker 1: came up to him. I was like, dude, I'm so like,
Speaker 1: I'm proud of you for I'm just proud of you
Speaker 1: for doing this, Like you're gonna have the nuts to
Speaker 1: do this.
Speaker 2: I don't know what his number was.
Speaker 1: I would have to think it was north of ten
Speaker 1: million dollars to go there. But those guys that went first,
Speaker 1: like the sack on those guys massive. You know the
Speaker 1: guys that go now, it's like, all right, whatever. Oh,
Speaker 1: Danny Lee was one of them. Danny Lee went recently too.
Speaker 1: He's a great player. Danny's us sandwich camp. He's not
Speaker 1: putting cheeks in the seats. Not going to colonial to
Speaker 1: watch Danny Lee. Sorry, not going to watch Brendan Steele.
Speaker 1: I'd go to watch HB three. Like HB three is
Speaker 1: one of the most charismatic characters in all of golf,
Speaker 1: regardless of tour. Love the guy. One of the only
Speaker 1: black dudes in professional golf period around the world, you know,
Speaker 1: like regular, that's a black dude. That's HB three, that's
Speaker 1: my guy, you know. But there's just not many of them.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't see anyone going. I don't see
Speaker 1: anyone going the rest of the year, especially if they're
Speaker 1: in the elevator.
Speaker 4: Cam Smith was wild. Cam Smith was a wild one
Speaker 4: to go at number two in the world after winning
Speaker 4: a major with probably infinity money in endorsements coming his way,
Speaker 4: and he's young. Joaquin Neeman would have been in the
Speaker 4: same boat if he would have won a major instead
Speaker 4: of cam Smith. Those two are like, those are their
Speaker 4: two biggest guts. Phil Mickelson name brand recognition. I mean,
Speaker 4: DJ is probably their biggest game.
Speaker 3: Well DJ is, but like ca' DJ. Nothing against DJ.
Speaker 4: DJ's like phenomenal, freaking like and I think everybody everybody
Speaker 4: enjoys playing golf with DJ's fast, got a great game,
Speaker 4: all these things. But like cam Smith was like straight
Speaker 4: up in the absolute prime of his career, Like literally
Speaker 4: could not have been more of in the prime of
Speaker 4: his career than he was like two months after winning
Speaker 4: the British Open Prime. I don't even know if Jake
Speaker 4: Neim is old enough to drink yet, and he was
Speaker 4: like twelve in the world and he went so like
Speaker 4: those two are that's when that's that's when like the
Speaker 4: money thing would have to make sense. We're what they're
Speaker 4: gonna have to do to compete. Really, they're gonna have
Speaker 4: to snipe young dudes. And now that that, I think
Speaker 4: you can go to the PGA, Like Ludwig is playing
Speaker 4: the Vaalsbar again this week. Shit, he's playing a freaking
Speaker 4: full PGA tour schedule pretty much.
Speaker 3: Then he's still in college. So I mean, that's what
Speaker 3: they're gonna do.
Speaker 2: JJ. Yeah, they're gonna like screenshot at the end of
Speaker 2: the year the top twenty PGA too, are you ranking?
Speaker 2: They're gonna try to pick off like three or four
Speaker 2: of those guys are gonna offer him. Like from what
Speaker 2: I've been told James Piatt, like eight million dollars. That
Speaker 2: could be wrong, but last year darn.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I understand it. I understand it.
Speaker 2: Why whe do you go?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to what.
Speaker 2: You're twenty you're twenty two years old. Eight million dollars,
Speaker 2: you've never had status and a tourist. They can't, I mean,
Speaker 2: I can't really suspend you, although they're trying to. Now,
Speaker 2: eight million dollars is life changing money if you're smart
Speaker 2: with it, like you don't really have to work.
Speaker 3: Again, it's his background, usam usam champ.
Speaker 2: Why do that?
Speaker 1: But yeah, did he come from it? Probably didn't come from.
Speaker 1: Like that's that's what I like. That's what That's what
Speaker 1: I really like about the Live stories is some of
Speaker 1: these dudes that got paid grew up with not much,
Speaker 1: and HB three is one of them. Dude, Like HB
Speaker 1: three is like middle lower class raised and now he's
Speaker 1: now he's got a foundation that helps hundreds of kids
Speaker 1: literally hundreds, maybe thousands of children in Gastonia, North Carolina,
Speaker 1: where he's from. And maybe maybe Pat's the same, like
Speaker 1: you went to Michigan State USAMM. I don't know his background,
Speaker 1: but those are the guys that I really like seeing
Speaker 1: get the bag.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 4: I mean he didn't have status anywhere, so like that's easier.
Speaker 3: It's good.
Speaker 4: Dude, what's gonna hit Like Ludwig in whatever he's not
Speaker 4: going because but now that he can. I mean, they
Speaker 4: almost have to let the PGA tour you at least
Speaker 4: if you finish one, get in the elevated events the
Speaker 4: next year on the PGA tour. You know what I mean,
Speaker 4: you have to there's gotta be some incentive for guaranteed money.
Speaker 2: Absolutely have to. And JJ, I sorry to cut you off,
Speaker 2: but this hits me excited because no other sport like
Speaker 2: you could be the number one draft pick in the NFL.
Speaker 2: You're guaranteed money, tens of millions of dollars. You'd be
Speaker 2: the number one college golfer. You're guaranteed shit. You go
Speaker 2: to the Corn Ferry Tour the media earning his under
Speaker 2: sixty thousand dollars a year. Okay, great, congrats, you just
Speaker 2: lost money for being the best collegiate player out there.
Speaker 2: And that's why I'm passionate about it. Because the tour
Speaker 2: wants to continue to develop and be good that there
Speaker 2: is other option right now, it's go live, and so
Speaker 2: they're going to have to protect that pipeline of kids
Speaker 2: that come up because golf's never been good golfers are
Speaker 2: We're going to continue to have stars. So let's make
Speaker 2: sure that, I mean, if you're the tour, let's make
Speaker 2: sure they're coming to the tour not somewhere else.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like if I'm if I'm in whatever reason, Leviock,
Speaker 4: but I'll use someone else an example. They actually have
Speaker 4: another kid. I think they have like two kids in
Speaker 4: the top three rankings in the in the US right now.
Speaker 4: So credit to coach stands here. But yeah, if they're
Speaker 4: sitting here offering him infinity money, you know, and be like, hey,
Speaker 4: I might take that. But the PGA Tour is like, hey,
Speaker 4: you're in all of the elevated events next year with
Speaker 4: no cut, and you're a PGA Tour member, and if
Speaker 4: you have a train wreck dumpster fire of a year,
Speaker 4: guess why you feel it still a full PGA Tour
Speaker 4: status the next year. That's pretty good incentive right there.
Speaker 4: Like then then it's all of a sudden, it's like, well, shit,
Speaker 4: I want fifty million dollars if I'm going to go
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, or whatever it is. Because
Speaker 4: if you're guaranteed, if you're in the eight elevated events,
Speaker 4: guaranteed pretty much guaranteed to get into the FedEx Cup playoffs,
Speaker 4: if you finish last in all of them, almost they're
Speaker 4: probably going to be more points no cut, blah blah
Speaker 4: blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, that's crazy to think about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, PJ Tour like pd PJ Tour, you like,
Speaker 2: if you finished tenth, I don't know, was it two
Speaker 2: years ago? You went to PGA Tour Canada, right, yeap,
Speaker 2: which is great, Okay, you know what the median earning
Speaker 2: earnings are on PJ Tour Canada's ten grand. So you're
Speaker 2: like the tenth best player in college, You're gonna go
Speaker 2: make ten grand. Like And I get this golf some meritocracy,
Speaker 2: I get it, But there's got to be something that
Speaker 2: we can do that. I mean that the tour can
Speaker 2: do differently. And I think that they have addressed it
Speaker 2: to be to be fair to the tour, I think
Speaker 2: that they have made it better a PGA tour. You standpoint,
Speaker 2: but I think they all needed to shore it up
Speaker 2: a little bit if they want to keep having these
Speaker 2: good these good kids come out.
Speaker 1: Yeah. First, so you said something really interesting a second ago.
Speaker 1: You said, the PGA Tour will lose money this year, right,
Speaker 1: this year and last year, yeah, and last year. And
Speaker 1: I know that they have they found billion, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know how many, maybe a billion, two billion
Speaker 1: dollars they just found under their couch cushions over the
Speaker 1: past six months to pay these guys. But so they've
Speaker 1: got a runway. I mean, they've they've got a few
Speaker 1: years of runway here, but they're going to have to
Speaker 1: figure it out quick because it's that money's going to
Speaker 1: go away if you're going to try to hang with
Speaker 1: Infinity money Saudi Arabia for a long time, right, So
Speaker 1: what do they do to stay with live like sponsorship
Speaker 1: wise or where do they find the extra money?
Speaker 2: Well, so here's the deal. They They obviously have a
Speaker 2: new media deal this year which was quite a bit
Speaker 2: more money, so that allow them to pay more money
Speaker 2: back into their players. And there's also a couple other
Speaker 2: things as well. One thing that I think no one
Speaker 2: has talked about that I have confirmed with the tour
Speaker 2: is the TGL. The PGA Tour has equity in the TGL.
Speaker 2: And so if the TGL is going to go and
Speaker 2: get a media deal, let's say the media deals I'm
Speaker 2: throughout hypothetical number. Let's just say the media deal is
Speaker 2: one hundred million dollars a year, which who knows, that's
Speaker 2: probably higher low. I don't have no idea. The tour,
Speaker 2: let's say owns twenty five percent, they're going to recognize
Speaker 2: twenty five million dollars of that. So they do expect
Speaker 2: to recognize revenue off the TGL because they do have
Speaker 2: equity in there. So the media deal, and I think
Speaker 2: partly the equity and the TGL is is where they're
Speaker 2: getting some of that money from.
Speaker 1: Okay, So for our followers don't know, our listeners here
Speaker 1: that don't know what the TGL is here, give us
Speaker 1: a breakdown of the PGA Tours deal with this TGL league.
Speaker 2: I don't even know what the TGL stands for. What
Speaker 2: does that stand for?
Speaker 1: Golf League Golf Limited.
Speaker 3: I'm just making it up.
Speaker 1: I don't know, no idea, we don't we don't do research.
Speaker 1: That's why I got here the TGL.
Speaker 3: Someone you to explain it to us basically is what.
Speaker 2: So the TJIL is coming out in January of twenty
Speaker 2: four or I don't know exactly how many events they'll have,
Speaker 2: but I believe it will be on Monday nights. I
Speaker 2: think somewhere like twelve to fifteen events per year. They're
Speaker 2: gonna be like two to three hours. I think they're
Speaker 2: gonna be in South Florida somewhere every Monday, and it's
Speaker 2: gonna be stadium golf with like entertainment. And so they've
Speaker 2: signed like Tiger, Ricky Justin, like Billy Orschel, like all
Speaker 2: these guys, Scottie, They've signed to this league Xander, and
Speaker 2: they're gonna they're gonna play on teams essentially every I
Speaker 2: should say every Monday, but so many Mondays per year,
Speaker 2: and they're gonna create, try to create it essentially a
Speaker 2: different golf league. It's like golf entertainment league, and they're
Speaker 2: gonna try to sell it as immediate package. And so
Speaker 2: Tiger and Rory started Tomorrow's Sports and the first order
Speaker 2: of business was rolling out the TGL. And I would
Speaker 2: imagine that the TGL is going to roll out different
Speaker 2: styles of league, whether it's like tennis or I don't
Speaker 2: know whatever, bigger all at different leagues. They're gonna try
Speaker 2: to make this like a massive company. I mean, there's
Speaker 2: just no other way around it. And so that's essentially
Speaker 2: what the TTL is in a nutshell, tech fused golf league,
Speaker 2: Tech golf League. There's a huge there's a massive gambling
Speaker 2: component to the whole thing too, though, right like, as
Speaker 2: isn't that part of the this deal? I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know that for certain, but I hope so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think it is. They go to a
Speaker 1: stadium and they hit balls from like the rafters down
Speaker 1: to greens on the field, and people pay to go
Speaker 1: drink beer and eat corn dogs and watch Tiger Woods
Speaker 1: hit a golf ball from the lights down to the
Speaker 1: field or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I believe they're they're building a stadium. I
Speaker 2: think it's going to be. I'm looking at the it's
Speaker 2: gonna be like it's gonna be at Palm Beach Gardens.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be at Palm Beach State College. It's like
Speaker 2: an indoor gambling deal, right right. Yeah, And I don't
Speaker 2: know exactly how it's gonna play out, so I want
Speaker 2: to misspeak. I don't know if they're gonna and the
Speaker 2: into they're gonna be like simulators and screens or and
Speaker 2: then they're gonna have real real green there.
Speaker 4: I don't know what the exact place, dude, you're on
Speaker 4: for the people. Just make a bunch of ship up.
Speaker 1: No one cares, you know, somebody will haven't true thing
Speaker 1: here yet.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, but he's as what's known as a reputable source.
Speaker 5: God dang it, that's not true. What were we getting
Speaker 5: ourselves into here? Yeah, so there's a huge gambling component
Speaker 5: to it.
Speaker 4: So gambling is part of our new golf culture, is
Speaker 4: what Tiger Wood said when they were talking about it.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, nervous and it's league base and team base.
Speaker 4: I don't know where we've heard this one before, but yeah,
Speaker 4: so the guys involved are going to make Infinity money.
Speaker 4: I'll tell you that they're.
Speaker 2: Gonna make a ton of money doing it right. And
Speaker 2: I asked the tour like what the arrangement was, and
Speaker 2: they will not confirm what that arrangement was with me. Essentially,
Speaker 2: did they have to pay to get equity or are
Speaker 2: they allowing their players to play in it to get equity?
Speaker 2: I don't know what they arrange minutes, but it really
Speaker 2: is a win win for everybody. I mean, the tour
Speaker 2: is allowing their guys to play, and then the guys
Speaker 2: are going to make more money.
Speaker 1: And you can watch them on Monday. Isn't that funny
Speaker 1: what you just said. The tour is going to allow
Speaker 1: their guys to play in it, like they have them.
Speaker 2: That's not what they said to me. That's that's my words.
Speaker 1: But yeah, like they have them handcuffed like it's just
Speaker 1: such a piece of shit. Well anymore though they don't anymore,
Speaker 1: They really don't. Yeah, but that that is it's it's
Speaker 1: kind of it's the right word. I mean, it's the
Speaker 1: right word because that's what you feel when you're a
Speaker 1: member of the PGA Tour. Look, I wanted to be
Speaker 1: on the PGA Tours. Does got there? Couldn't believe I
Speaker 1: got there? Sweet, I'm done with it. Cools a good time.
Speaker 1: But like nowadays, if I put myself in a Yako
Speaker 1: Nieman's shoes, and I'd probably do the same thing he did, dude, Like,
Speaker 1: I would probably do the same exact thing I just
Speaker 1: And if you put justin like if Justin Thomas goes
Speaker 1: back to twenty fourteen, Justin Thomas at twenty thirteen or
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, Justin Thomas before Justin Thomas became Justin Thomas,
Speaker 1: and Justin Thomas was offered one hundred million dollars to
Speaker 1: go join this new league, he'd probably do it too. Like.
Speaker 1: That's That's where I don't get the hypocrisy. It's it's
Speaker 1: the guys that have already made a ton of money
Speaker 1: or the guys that are talking against it, they don't
Speaker 1: understand perspective.
Speaker 2: Totally totally see that side of it. I think what
Speaker 2: the fair statement is is that everyone's situation is different
Speaker 2: and there's not one solution for everything exactly. And so
Speaker 2: I mean, I dance around the lib golf for a
Speaker 2: lot of reasons. Hey, I'm like middleman Dan, I just
Speaker 2: want to play it down the middle. I don't want
Speaker 2: to take a side because whatever side I take, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna get jumped, you know, my throat jumped down. And
Speaker 2: I just think we need people need to be really
Speaker 2: careful that that are hard against live from where the
Speaker 2: money is coming from, because the PITH is invested in
Speaker 2: virtually everything, and so they're an Uber and Facebook, And
Speaker 2: if you're not using either of those, Bank of America
Speaker 2: and Disney.
Speaker 1: Apple Apple, you have an Apple iPhone make them on.
Speaker 2: So I know it's different than the state sponsored So
Speaker 2: I understand that argument as well. But yeah, I'm not
Speaker 2: going to see her and say I want to take
Speaker 2: the money. I'm not going to sear it and say
Speaker 2: I would take the mics. I don't. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I had like a seventy seven scoring average my senior
Speaker 2: year at college. Like, I'm fifteen strokes away from taking
Speaker 2: an offer.
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Speaker 1: So we're talking about I'm kind of stick of talking about.
Speaker 1: To be honest with you, I'm kind of beating a
Speaker 1: dead horse. I really am. We've talked about it for
Speaker 1: a year now.
Speaker 3: I want them to drive greens.
Speaker 1: That's what I want. Yeah, So let's business of golf. Though,
Speaker 1: like club contracts have always injured, they've always intrigued me.
Speaker 1: We've talked about this on the podcast before, Like I
Speaker 1: passed up a pretty big offer from Galloway right out
Speaker 1: of school to sign for nothing with Titleists because of
Speaker 1: the loyalty I was showing them. Right, have club contracts
Speaker 1: gone insane like basis for guys in the last few years?
Speaker 1: That calmed down a little bit.
Speaker 2: That I don't know from what I understand reading through
Speaker 2: the lines and talking to an agent about this, is
Speaker 2: that companies aren't moving as much product by sponsoring players
Speaker 2: as they are now influencers. And I think we've seen that.
Speaker 2: Like everyone was sick of the tailor made deal two
Speaker 2: years ago, but they did it again. So what does
Speaker 2: that tell you? You guys are smart enough to understand what
Speaker 2: that means that that worked, so obviously there's something to it.
Speaker 1: Maybe we're not smart to understand.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I mean like, look if if a company
Speaker 2: like Taylor Maye thatsks private equity involved, which private equity
Speaker 2: people captain numbers like every penny if they're going to
Speaker 2: go out and do you know, I would imagine a
Speaker 2: seven figure marketing campaign with influencers that they're gonna do
Speaker 2: it because I worked the first time. So and I
Speaker 2: mean you see titleists with no laying up, You see
Speaker 2: h Taylor may before playing, and see Calawai with Good Good.
Speaker 2: I mean they're marrying themselves to media influencers right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I will say like ever since, ever since they
Speaker 1: got those big contracts, like for play Good Good. We're
Speaker 1: small time, very small time. But dude, I asked when
Speaker 1: I asked for a driver now and I used to
Speaker 1: feel bad about asking because I'm not playing anymore. I
Speaker 1: still feel kind of bad. But they'd be like, you're sure,
Speaker 1: what do you want? Like just put it on Instagram?
Speaker 1: Like shit, really, can I get this? This? This? This,
Speaker 1: this this, They're like, yeah, like the money's there. If
Speaker 1: you've got ten thousand, fifteen, twenty thousand followers and all
Speaker 1: those people, you know, you tweet it out and those
Speaker 1: people see it, that's you're selling more golf clubs than
Speaker 1: Harris English walking down eighteen with a ping hat on.
Speaker 1: You know, you just are. And if you're doing something
Speaker 1: like stupid or funny, or you catch a tagline on
Speaker 1: Twitter like Colleen goes in his backyard and hits it
Speaker 1: to a damn net for an hour and then Chucks
Speaker 1: Miller live. But he's using callaway clubs like, oh man,
Speaker 1: this guy, I'm gonna buy a callaway club because Colleen
Speaker 1: can hit it through his fence into his neighbor's yard.
Speaker 2: I'm strong.
Speaker 4: I'm strong though, so I dude, I talked about before
Speaker 4: even social media influencing was even like a thing really,
Speaker 4: like you know whatever. Ten years ago I was talking
Speaker 4: to the guys and they're like, there are and it's
Speaker 4: the same today. Probably there are ten people professional golfers
Speaker 4: in the world that probably like sell clubs where boom,
Speaker 4: Rory mcilroly hits that driver. Holy shit, I got to
Speaker 4: have that driver because Rory hit it. Like Colin Moricawa
Speaker 4: is a hell of a golfer. He would beat me
Speaker 4: every single day as long as he woke up in
Speaker 4: the morning. They would more than likely beat me. Ain't
Speaker 4: nobody buying a driver because he's hitting it, he's marketable though,
Speaker 4: that's the other component, Like he's wearing the hat, he's marketable.
Speaker 4: Got the good smile, good looking kid, blah blah blah
Speaker 4: blah blah. But like DJ back in the day, Bubba
Speaker 4: with the pink cheft, there's like ten people that actually
Speaker 4: sell clubs and the rest is like, is this guy marketable?
Speaker 4: But now social media people are all marketable because you
Speaker 4: can you can it's easier to gauge their their worth,
Speaker 4: Like you can do a freaking code type in FTP whatever,
Speaker 4: and you can see are these guys work worth the shit?
Speaker 3: Are they marketable? It's like, oh yeah, look at what
Speaker 3: their sales are because of this code.
Speaker 4: So yeah, that's why the social media thing sells a bunch.
Speaker 4: I mean, Tiger I left him out obviously marketable and
Speaker 4: the best guy a Nobody want to buy a Nike
Speaker 4: driver ever, ever, ever, ever, but Tiger hit it, so
Speaker 4: that's the only reason they probably ever even sold one.
Speaker 3: How about the sasquash right.
Speaker 2: The possibly the worst driver that's been developed in a
Speaker 2: modern golf age. Tiger shows up to a gust that
Speaker 2: with a Nike driver sells a shot at him. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like those fly off the shelves.
Speaker 1: People played the Nike golf ball, which isn't even Tiger
Speaker 1: didn't even play a Nike golf ball because Tiger had
Speaker 1: a swish on his ball that was a bridge Stone ball.
Speaker 1: Tiger had a bridge Stone ball with a swish on
Speaker 1: it for fifteen years, and people bought a Nike ball,
Speaker 1: which was a piece of shit, a literal piece of
Speaker 1: shit golf ball. I remember I had a dozen of them.
Speaker 1: Remember when Nike did like the British Open Tiger won,
Speaker 1: and like they had the first round, second round, third round,
Speaker 1: fourth round, they had pictures to hitting. Do you remember those?
Speaker 1: I had all of them. I had all of them,
Speaker 1: like the collector Nike golf balls because oh my god,
Speaker 1: this is the ball Tiger he uses. Come to find out,
Speaker 1: like five years later, ten years later, I figure out
Speaker 1: that Tiger actually never used the Nike golf like the
Speaker 1: entire time. It just got scammed, like he scammed everyone.
Speaker 1: But it works because he used it. Right. But that's
Speaker 1: the same thing with social media. People want to they
Speaker 1: want to go buy what barstool Trent is using because
Speaker 1: they can relate with them. They're a twenty handicap. He's
Speaker 1: a twenty handicap. He uses this chef, this head. All right,
Speaker 1: I'm going to use that. That's more relatable than what
Speaker 1: Rory McElroy is hitting. You can't hit that club, I
Speaker 1: promise you. But you can hit with barstool Trant's hitting.
Speaker 2: So I get it.
Speaker 1: I totally get it. Like it makes one hundred percent
Speaker 1: sense that these guys that are entertaining that use these
Speaker 1: golf clubs, club companies are finally taking care of them
Speaker 1: because they're selling golf.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I say.
Speaker 4: It goes back to the golf ball. You nobody want
Speaker 4: to play a super spinny tour ball whatever it is,
Speaker 4: but they're going to look at their titlest had They're
Speaker 4: going to play a totally different ball. It's just marketing,
Speaker 4: marketing component of it. It's like boom there it is roasted.
Speaker 4: It's like Speed Speith is like one of the most
Speaker 4: marketable guys on tour. Hell of a nice guy, like
Speaker 4: obviously Pete and I know him. Like everybody wants to
Speaker 4: sponsor Speed, but like, are you buying? You can't buy
Speaker 4: the circle. You can't buy a double on nine circle tea.
Speaker 4: You probably can for ten grands and on the internet,
Speaker 4: but like are you buying the irons and wedges? No,
Speaker 4: but you're seeing the titleist logo like marketable wise, So
Speaker 4: I mean that's that component. And then you got guys,
Speaker 4: then you have there's always some guy that's ranked like
Speaker 4: fifteenth in the world and he's maybe we're looking he's
Speaker 4: not marketable, he plays whatever, and he's probably got like
Speaker 4: a contract that's like way shittier than's some guy ranked
Speaker 4: one hundredth you know that's got like a nice smile
Speaker 4: and all these other things happens all the time, like
Speaker 4: me infinity infinity dollars.
Speaker 2: I got a question for both of you because you
Speaker 2: guys both played very high level college golf. Piecu and
Speaker 2: lys I played at Northern Iowa, which is we had
Speaker 2: our budget was fifty thousand dollars. Here, we drove the
Speaker 2: tournaments and rented fifteen passenger vands, and it was a
Speaker 2: little bit different level, had a ton of sung We
Speaker 2: caught fire every now and then. But have you guys
Speaker 2: seen what's going on college golf lately? Like Alabama's building
Speaker 2: a new thirty eight million dollar facility. Bander built building
Speaker 2: like a thirteen million dollar facility Oklahoma's building an eight
Speaker 2: million dollars facility and these kids. I mean, I know,
Speaker 2: collegiate golf, we've been flying private for a while, but
Speaker 2: it seems like a lot a lot of people are
Speaker 2: flying private this spring, like this last week at Arizona State, Pepperdine,
Speaker 2: Oklahoma State fives private all the time.
Speaker 1: Whatever.
Speaker 2: What do you think is going on in college golf?
Speaker 2: Thirty eight million dollars for Alabama for a practice facility.
Speaker 2: I think it's awesome, but I'm biased.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I mean, I went to TCU and we're flying at
Speaker 4: a DFW and we have no practice facility, probably the
Speaker 4: only one in college golf.
Speaker 1: So who knows.
Speaker 4: But but I mean I think I think a lot
Speaker 4: of I mean, obviously there's like booster money things like that,
Speaker 4: but there's there's value. There's value to doing things like
Speaker 4: that with the lums. There really is. I mean, every school,
Speaker 4: every school that I can think of that has a
Speaker 4: I mean here at Tech, Texas Tech, where I live
Speaker 4: and love, it has the Rolls Course. It's the number
Speaker 4: two rant public course in the entire state team. The
Speaker 4: men's and women's team both have their own locker room.
Speaker 4: They have whatever, ping pong PlayStation. It's just a place
Speaker 4: to like hang out and chill, like a day like
Speaker 4: today when in Blue Infinity and like you'd rather freaking
Speaker 4: you just feel like you're on the face of Mars
Speaker 4: walking outside in Lubbock. They drive to the course and
Speaker 4: hang out and hit in the simulator and just chill.
Speaker 4: So like, there's just way, there's just a lot of value,
Speaker 4: I think. And then I think a lot of these
Speaker 4: kids end up donating money booster wise things like that.
Speaker 4: And PD, they had a they had a sweep. I
Speaker 4: don't know if it was new when PD was there
Speaker 4: or not. They have a good facility where he is.
Speaker 4: Tom's David Toms, I know, did a lot with it there,
Speaker 4: but most schools do. Man, that's value, I think.
Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, the thing, the thing that helps a tone
Speaker 1: with that is recruiting. Right, So if you if you're
Speaker 1: going to pull a kid, pc is a perfect example.
Speaker 1: PCU LSU perfect examples because they're completely different. So if
Speaker 1: you're going to pick a kid up as the coach
Speaker 1: at TCU and you go to Dallasport Worth International Airport,
Speaker 1: it's a big asset to have that airport thirty minutes
Speaker 1: away for one. But then you pick him up and
Speaker 1: he asked you, all right, where are we going. We're
Speaker 1: going to check out, and you, as the coach, say well,
Speaker 1: we're gonna go see Colonial Country Club. They have a
Speaker 1: PGA Tour event there. And the kid obviously watched the
Speaker 1: tour event. He knows colonials, like all right, awesome cool.
Speaker 1: And then then like you go to another golf course,
Speaker 1: go to maybe Shady Oaks down the road. This is
Speaker 1: where Ben Hogan was a member, this is where he played.
Speaker 1: That's awesome cool. Where's the facility? And you say, we
Speaker 1: don't have one.
Speaker 2: You've lost him.
Speaker 1: You have just lost him. He's gone. He doesn't care
Speaker 1: that the PGA Tour event's there. He doesn't care that
Speaker 1: Ben Hogan's club with Shady Oaks and you could play
Speaker 1: there too, Like when I was getting recruited in high school.
Speaker 1: That it's different now. I mean that was fifteen years ago,
Speaker 1: sixteen years ago, so things have changed. But LSU had
Speaker 1: a nice facility. They had two bays. They had back
Speaker 1: when V one remember V one shwing software. They had
Speaker 1: V one with the cameras everywhere back then, even in
Speaker 1: two thous thousand and six, two thousand and five. They
Speaker 1: had a nice facility. They were on the up and up.
Speaker 1: They were not good, but they were on the up
Speaker 1: and up. Oklahoma State is the same thing. Obviously, they
Speaker 1: were great. They straight up told me, straight up told me.
Speaker 1: He's like, hey, you're not going to play at all,
Speaker 1: you can come here on books like perfect. I appreciate
Speaker 1: your honesty. I'm not going to come here. But the
Speaker 1: recruiting thing is the biggest thing for the facility. Colleen's
Speaker 1: right when he says these kids need a place to
Speaker 1: hang out. That's really the value in it, right. They
Speaker 1: need a place to go where they feel like it's theirs.
Speaker 1: They have some ownership over it. The flying private like
Speaker 1: that stuff, that's great. It doesn't really matter a ton
Speaker 1: recruiting wise, I mean, especially here out a DFW. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sure the guys from TCU fly private once in
Speaker 1: a while. But if they had a facility where these
Speaker 1: kids could come and hang out, play ping pong, do
Speaker 1: their homework, hit balls, eat, work out, shower and go home.
Speaker 1: What they do is they go to class, they pick
Speaker 1: up lunch, they'll go to the facility, hit balls, practice,
Speaker 1: watch sports center, go back out, putt, do some homework,
Speaker 1: and then leave. They're there for seven hours, so it
Speaker 1: doesn't really matter if it's twenty minutes away or forty
Speaker 1: minutes away. You're gonna be there most of the day,
Speaker 1: so it's not like you're going back and forth. Facility
Speaker 1: is everything and the fine private thing. Like we were
Speaker 1: the same way at LSU. We rode in a Paters
Speaker 1: van with a ladder on the side of it. For
Speaker 1: my freshman year we literally did it have a ladder
Speaker 1: strapped to the side piece of shit ban. But then
Speaker 1: we got good and coach was like, all right, playing better,
Speaker 1: we're able to spend more money. Donors started giving more money,
Speaker 1: and that's a snowball effect. By the time we rolled
Speaker 1: around our senior year, we flew to Stillwater, Oklahoma on
Speaker 1: a King Air from Baton Rouge to play the National Championship.
Speaker 1: So that's how that's the natural progression of that though,
Speaker 1: right is you have to recruit the best players and
Speaker 1: then once you get them, they have to perform. But
Speaker 1: they won't come to you at all unless you have
Speaker 1: top bunch facilities. That's why Alabama is building thirty.
Speaker 4: Pop pop pop. That's a lot. How was that it's
Speaker 4: pretty good? I think that that was a pretty good answer. Really,
Speaker 4: it was only.
Speaker 1: Like ten minutes, so I'd probably keep going.
Speaker 2: So we when I was in college, I graduated in
Speaker 2: twenty eleven. We we built our own indoor and I
Speaker 2: and I got up on the roof was throwing shingles down.
Speaker 3: I mean, like our whole team was. So it was
Speaker 3: quite the situation.
Speaker 2: If you want to say, a for the people facility,
Speaker 2: you go to you go to Cedar Falls, Iowa, and
Speaker 2: you pulled the Pheasant Ridge golf course and you look
Speaker 2: at the facility and that's a for the People Division
Speaker 2: one facility right there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But that's the thing, like I'm sure that they
Speaker 1: even had a facility. Got you there, you know, like
Speaker 1: they just had one, and you're like, I'm done here.
Speaker 2: And it actually it's not bad. I mean, Iowa Stayed
Speaker 2: spent over two million dollars on theirs, and I was
Speaker 2: spent over two million dollars on they and these are
Speaker 2: I mean these are northern schools, right, I mean they
Speaker 2: have I was historically has been pretty pretty good lately,
Speaker 2: but I would stay, and I mean they're on the customer,
Speaker 2: you know, they don't really make it to nationals. So
Speaker 2: I mean they're spending a ton of money.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: No, it's the vibe too, Like Illinois, like Mike Small, dude,
Speaker 4: I mean, how what has he done there? I mean,
Speaker 4: nobody want to go to Illinois to play golf if
Speaker 4: you're just like doing a temperature gauge or you know,
Speaker 4: where do you want to go play golf? But when
Speaker 4: you see what the facility is, what he is, what
Speaker 4: kind of golfers they turn out like, then it's like boom,
Speaker 4: Illinois is a hotbed for freaking college golf.
Speaker 2: Crazy Thomas Peters right, I mean Scott Langley, Langley gup three,
Speaker 2: Mike claim to fame. I did beat Guphrie my senior
Speaker 2: year at college. I mean, like we played Illinois, Like, dude,
Speaker 2: those guys were so good. I mean college golf at
Speaker 2: different levels and just like any sport, but holy shit,
Speaker 2: I mean those guys were really good, really good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a good coach. I mean, Mike Small's a legend,
Speaker 1: Small as good. But like Luke, Guthrie looks just like
Speaker 1: Mark Wahlberg. He's Mark Wahlberg. He's the same person.
Speaker 2: I don't think Luke still planning. I know Scott retired,
Speaker 2: but as Luke still planning, and it was God.
Speaker 3: I played with him one time. God dang, he was
Speaker 3: freaking good.
Speaker 2: He's really he was a prodigy. He came from Quincy, Illinois,
Speaker 2: just a prodigy and junior golf too.
Speaker 1: I want to say he won twice on the corn
Speaker 1: Ferry Tour in like a month in his first year
Speaker 1: as a pro. Him and Ben Coles did it. Ben
Speaker 1: Coles did it like the year after him, but Luke
Speaker 1: Guthrie did it, and maybe twenty twelve or twenty thirteen,
Speaker 1: Luke Guthrie won twice in a month and almost got
Speaker 1: the Battlefield PGA Tour, and then Ben Coles did it
Speaker 1: the next year out of Uva. It was either Ben
Speaker 1: did it first or looked at it. I don't remember.
Speaker 1: But anyway, yeah, yeah they do, and it's it's crazy
Speaker 1: that Illinois turns out players like.
Speaker 4: Nick Cardyn Cardy too, n card Nick Cardy, Yeah, he's
Speaker 4: freaking yeah.
Speaker 2: Did Thomas Detrick go there too? Well?
Speaker 4: The og is Steve Stricker, but that was before they
Speaker 4: were even good. I'm sure da points back in the day.
Speaker 4: But but yeah, god, god dang, bro Yeah, I mean
Speaker 4: Hardy's there. Yeah, Thomas Peters, I don't know if he
Speaker 4: was like the full Matt Fitzpatrick situation where he was
Speaker 4: like there and gone, you know, before he even had
Speaker 4: a chance to fail his first midterm. But I don't
Speaker 4: I don't quite know what what went.
Speaker 2: Down, but I'm pretty I'm almost positive Peters was playing
Speaker 2: when I was there. Thomas Detrie also played there. I mean,
Speaker 2: Illinois just turns and burns, man, I mean, you want
Speaker 2: to talk about a program. And Mike Small is a
Speaker 2: hell of a player and hell of a coach, that dude.
Speaker 2: We remember one time we were warming up at a
Speaker 2: tournament typical college golf. College golf is the worst golf
Speaker 2: to play, by the way you know you play. You
Speaker 2: play thirty six in one day. It's like thirty five degrees.
Speaker 2: You have to walk it, if you guys on this.
Speaker 2: But we were warming out.
Speaker 1: We we did.
Speaker 3: We didn't cut to northern Iowa.
Speaker 1: We don't quite know that one.
Speaker 3: But you can tell us.
Speaker 1: How cold it was.
Speaker 2: Went to Hawaii.
Speaker 1: Kaleid went to Corpus Christi, Mexico. Kleena had a good
Speaker 1: he was he was in Palm Springs.
Speaker 3: That's what we were vas. One time the cold front
Speaker 3: went through.
Speaker 1: It was bullshit.
Speaker 2: So we're really love it now to make up for it.
Speaker 2: There you go. We were playing at Illinois States, like
Speaker 2: late October, middle of dolinoint thirty five degrees and they
Speaker 2: don't have a range at their course, and we're hitting
Speaker 2: like fake balls like what the tour wants to do
Speaker 2: or what the USGA wants to do. They go like
Speaker 2: twenty yards and and Mike Small came out and came
Speaker 2: over to his team and he's like embraced the sock
Speaker 2: and he was so fired up about how shitty it was,
Speaker 2: and it was just it just like resonated with me,
Speaker 2: like this dude, that's why they were so good. It
Speaker 2: is because he just finds a way to connect and
Speaker 2: really terrible moment character building moments. Put it like that,
Speaker 2: and I was like, wow, I'll never forget that moment.
Speaker 2: That was I don't know, thirteen fourteen years ago. But
Speaker 2: embrace the sock, I mean, embrace the grind. I mean
Speaker 2: it's going to be a grind to you. Embrace it.
Speaker 2: So anyway, right, it's a coach man.
Speaker 1: You can't, yeah, I mean you can't. You can't play
Speaker 1: good if you fight it. But that's the hardest thing
Speaker 1: about coaching college kids today is you just can't coach
Speaker 1: them like when we were growing up. You know the
Speaker 1: kids are you can't talk to them like you used to.
Speaker 1: Like I was motivated by threats, like literally literal threats
Speaker 1: like threaten me. I'm motivated, Like you can't threaten me.
Speaker 3: You probably can do you really can't.
Speaker 1: I mean you should see I remember, Yeah, Like I
Speaker 1: didn't go to we had to do mandatory study hall
Speaker 1: my freshman year at LSU. We had to do like
Speaker 1: three hours of mandatory study hall for every freshman. You
Speaker 1: just had to do it. And I thought I was
Speaker 1: being smart and handed my ID that you scanned to
Speaker 1: my roommate. I was like, just scan it, they'll never
Speaker 1: know that I'm not there. He did it. Like two
Speaker 1: or three weeks go by and they finally caught me.
Speaker 1: Didn't say anything. I go to practice one day and
Speaker 1: the assistant coach is standing there. He's like start running,
Speaker 1: like what are you talking about? It's like, I know
Speaker 1: you've been skipping study hall. Okay, what do you want
Speaker 1: me to run? It's raining outside and I'm in foot
Speaker 1: Joy Classics. It's probably fifty and my bag's in my back.
Speaker 1: He's like, set your back down, you're running in your
Speaker 1: classics in the rain around the practice holes. It was
Speaker 1: five holes of It's like, what I mean average for
Speaker 1: it's two thousand, two thousand yards. I don't what's a mile.
Speaker 1: I don't even remember what a mile is.
Speaker 2: Eighty feet?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm running like a mile and a half
Speaker 1: in the rain and foot joy classics for time, like
Speaker 1: I couldn't. I couldn't, couldn't just walk it just like that,
Speaker 1: that stuff. You can't do that anymore, kids, because someone
Speaker 1: will pull their phone out while you're running like a
Speaker 1: psychopath through the neighborhood in the in the gulf of course.
Speaker 1: Like look what the LSU coaches making as players do,
Speaker 1: Like they're running in four hundred dollars leather shoes in
Speaker 1: the rain for time. Like it's just it's a different day,
Speaker 1: and I understand it. Like the kids are just different.
Speaker 1: It's just different. It's not better or worse. But Mike
Speaker 1: Small has somehow figured out a way to evolve with
Speaker 1: all of that and and be a great coach through all. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Right, oh god, oh God, all right, p D, I
Speaker 4: got some hibachi. D let's freaking end this. Jared is
Speaker 4: probably over us, send me, for God's sakes.
Speaker 1: Jared, thanks for coming on Four of the People. I'll
Speaker 1: appreciate your insight, Thanks for the business knowledge. Definitely the
Speaker 1: smartest person on Four of the People this week.