WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:03.000 I love for the people JJ and p D rocket 2 00:00:03.000 --> 00:00:03.480 every week. 3 00:00:03.680 --> 00:00:06.679 This was a terrible decision. I drank way too much tonight. 4 00:00:07.719 --> 00:00:09.720 And we can't let that happen. We just can't let 5 00:00:09.800 --> 00:00:13.160 that happen on this podcast because we are for the people. 6 00:00:15.279 --> 00:00:17.120 At the end of the day, the guy's a hell 7 00:00:17.120 --> 00:00:18.920 of a player beyond nails. 8 00:00:21.519 --> 00:00:23.800 That is the hardest part three of the PJ Tour. 9 00:00:23.879 --> 00:00:28.399 It's a hybrid three hired or four iron. Every day 10 00:00:29.399 --> 00:00:30.239 it's for the people. 11 00:00:30.519 --> 00:00:33.960 You're the last group off off a split tea horseshoe 12 00:00:33.960 --> 00:00:36.000 on number ten and you do a happy get more. 13 00:00:36.079 --> 00:00:36.920 What the hell's wrong with that? 14 00:00:39.679 --> 00:00:41.000 Well, here we are. 15 00:00:41.640 --> 00:00:45.479 Jared Dorfler is on Four of the People today. He's 16 00:00:45.520 --> 00:00:49.799 an expert at all things golf business, according to Colleen. 17 00:00:50.399 --> 00:00:53.799 So here we go. We're going to talk golf business today, 18 00:00:54.079 --> 00:00:57.640 golf business season on Four of the People. What are 19 00:00:57.640 --> 00:01:00.240 we going to talk about? Well, golf and business. Let's 20 00:01:00.280 --> 00:01:04.400 talk about right now. Probably the best time I can 21 00:01:04.439 --> 00:01:09.799 remember financially in the history of professional golfer. That goes 22 00:01:09.840 --> 00:01:15.280 without being said. Right now for golf companies, equipment companies, 23 00:01:15.959 --> 00:01:18.079 they got a big decision with the golf ball. They're 24 00:01:18.120 --> 00:01:19.599 going to spend a shitload of money if they have 25 00:01:19.599 --> 00:01:22.000 to make another one. What do we think about that? 26 00:01:22.319 --> 00:01:24.040 Jared probably knows more than you and I do, PD, 27 00:01:24.519 --> 00:01:26.480 he knows more than more than we do about it. 28 00:01:26.560 --> 00:01:29.319 So Jared, let's let's just start with the golf, with 29 00:01:29.400 --> 00:01:32.760 the freaking the USG's announcement which in like two years 30 00:01:32.799 --> 00:01:35.359 or whatever the hell they're doing. If they're thinking about 31 00:01:35.439 --> 00:01:38.519 rolling back the golf ball for high level amateur and 32 00:01:39.159 --> 00:01:42.280 professional professional golf, what are your thoughts on that? 33 00:01:42.519 --> 00:01:45.200 Yeah, evening boys get to chat with you. First of all, 34 00:01:45.280 --> 00:01:48.200 definitely not an expert, just while reading about and learning 35 00:01:48.239 --> 00:01:52.239 about golf business. Secondly, Yeah, I've kind of come full 36 00:01:52.280 --> 00:01:56.640 circle on this USGA announcement, Like I kind of thought 37 00:01:56.640 --> 00:02:00.200 about it today more and the AHAGA put out an 38 00:02:00.200 --> 00:02:03.159 announcement and essentially what they said is their players are 39 00:02:03.159 --> 00:02:06.439 going to play this new ball. So essentially what's going 40 00:02:06.480 --> 00:02:08.719 to happen is there's a new ball for everybody. It's 41 00:02:08.759 --> 00:02:11.759 not going to end up just being for the tour guys. 42 00:02:13.360 --> 00:02:16.039 Everyone's going to be playing this ball. The ten handicapper 43 00:02:16.120 --> 00:02:20.439 may want to play it whatever. So what the USGA 44 00:02:20.560 --> 00:02:23.879 just date is they just essentially said, we're in mandate 45 00:02:23.960 --> 00:02:26.840 from a third party about what the manufacturers can make. 46 00:02:27.759 --> 00:02:30.319 And I don't know a whole lot about R and 47 00:02:30.400 --> 00:02:32.479 D and do a golf ball. But what I do 48 00:02:32.599 --> 00:02:35.120 know is that titleist in Callaways spend well over fifty 49 00:02:35.120 --> 00:02:37.599 million dollars a year in R and D. And it's 50 00:02:37.599 --> 00:02:40.159 not like they can just open up their book to 51 00:02:40.280 --> 00:02:43.439 nineteen ninety with a Ballota recipe and just push a 52 00:02:43.439 --> 00:02:45.039 button and they're going to make a golf ball that 53 00:02:45.800 --> 00:02:49.240 is conforming in three years. So it's going to require 54 00:02:49.319 --> 00:02:51.000 R and D. It's going to require a lot of testing, 55 00:02:51.680 --> 00:02:55.960 dimple patterns, material sourcing, supply chain. It's not going to 56 00:02:56.000 --> 00:02:59.000 be easy. And then again, they do have three years, 57 00:02:59.199 --> 00:03:01.960 so they have plenty of time to figure it out. 58 00:03:01.719 --> 00:03:04.599 Didn't I didn't read that about the AGAGA. I mean, 59 00:03:04.639 --> 00:03:07.599 I guess that's cool. Those kids are trying to Those 60 00:03:07.680 --> 00:03:09.759 kids are trying to make it play there whatever. I mean, 61 00:03:09.800 --> 00:03:11.919 I guess they're they're when those kids are practicing at 62 00:03:11.919 --> 00:03:13.680 home and their parents are buying them golf balls because 63 00:03:13.680 --> 00:03:15.879 obviously they can't afford to pay for their own golf 64 00:03:15.919 --> 00:03:18.240 balls if they're twelve, thirteen, fourteen years old or whatever, 65 00:03:19.120 --> 00:03:21.719 that's what they practice with at home. What's what's weird 66 00:03:21.879 --> 00:03:25.639 is I mean, they'd almost have to say that we're 67 00:03:25.719 --> 00:03:28.199 using this ball or you can use both if you 68 00:03:28.240 --> 00:03:31.280 want to. But it's super unfair. I would guess if 69 00:03:31.800 --> 00:03:34.560 the Ajja kids or anybody else was using the newer 70 00:03:34.599 --> 00:03:36.560 ball that is, you know, doesn't go as far as 71 00:03:36.599 --> 00:03:38.680 spins more, whatever the heck it is, and then some 72 00:03:38.759 --> 00:03:41.120 kids using the other one, that's what's going to get weird. 73 00:03:41.439 --> 00:03:43.960 The other thing is And we kind of talked about 74 00:03:43.960 --> 00:03:46.360 it when we did like a Twitter spaces. But like 75 00:03:46.400 --> 00:03:49.400 when you're a high level golfer, not only driver that's 76 00:03:49.439 --> 00:03:51.560 the most important to like fit for a golf ball, 77 00:03:51.560 --> 00:03:54.960 but like irons, even wedges, I mean probably not butter, 78 00:03:55.159 --> 00:03:58.719 let's be honest, but that's like a whole set of 79 00:03:58.759 --> 00:04:02.039 clubs literally that you're that you're playing where you have 80 00:04:02.120 --> 00:04:06.400 to be fit specifically for a golf ball. So like 81 00:04:06.439 --> 00:04:09.360 the going the balancing back and forth would be difficult. 82 00:04:09.439 --> 00:04:12.039 So if they're just using that ball the whole entire time, 83 00:04:12.560 --> 00:04:14.599 I guess that makes the fitting or whatever it is 84 00:04:14.599 --> 00:04:17.240 a little different. But I haven't heard anyone. I haven't 85 00:04:17.240 --> 00:04:19.439 heard any modern players that are at the top of 86 00:04:19.480 --> 00:04:22.120 their game. Someone might might have said it a majority 87 00:04:22.160 --> 00:04:25.319 that I heard from here yesterday when they announced it, 88 00:04:26.120 --> 00:04:29.160 thought this shit was was dumb. But have you heard 89 00:04:29.160 --> 00:04:32.160 anything yet from like someone that's way way upper echelon 90 00:04:32.399 --> 00:04:36.639 top ten even twenty that's a proponent of it. I 91 00:04:36.680 --> 00:04:38.199 just haven't heard anything yet. 92 00:04:39.040 --> 00:04:43.720 No, I haven't heard anything or anyone that it's in 93 00:04:43.800 --> 00:04:47.360 favor of it that would fit that criteria what you mentioned. 94 00:04:49.160 --> 00:04:51.040 I just think it's to be really difficult to play 95 00:04:51.079 --> 00:04:55.160 two golf balls. I mean, I don't know. I don't 96 00:04:55.199 --> 00:04:57.279 see that being realistic. I don't know what the college 97 00:04:57.399 --> 00:05:00.879 kids do. I don't know what the you know, the 98 00:05:01.000 --> 00:05:04.040 junior kids do. It's gonna be really interesting to see 99 00:05:04.040 --> 00:05:08.519 how it plays out. Yeah, the proponents, what I've learned 100 00:05:08.639 --> 00:05:12.519 is architecture people right, they're gonna They're after it. They're 101 00:05:12.560 --> 00:05:15.000 they're for it. They want to see the architecture of 102 00:05:15.040 --> 00:05:19.480 golf courses preserved. Some older, older players are for it. 103 00:05:19.560 --> 00:05:23.160 Generally speaking, Tiger, I guess is for it. I haven't 104 00:05:23.319 --> 00:05:25.680 seen him say a statement, but people are paraphrasing what 105 00:05:25.680 --> 00:05:30.959 he said, so who knows. I mean what what I 106 00:05:31.000 --> 00:05:34.480 don't like JJ is I just golf is so good 107 00:05:34.560 --> 00:05:37.959 right now. It's like we're throwing We're just throwing a 108 00:05:37.959 --> 00:05:40.519 wrench in it. For I guess I shouldn't say no reason, 109 00:05:40.560 --> 00:05:43.360 but I don't like disruption. It's like, the momentum is 110 00:05:43.399 --> 00:05:46.120 so strong in every different way. Why do we have 111 00:05:46.199 --> 00:05:47.480 to disrupt the momentum? 112 00:05:47.759 --> 00:05:50.600 Well, dude, it's like if you whatever I like. I 113 00:05:50.680 --> 00:05:53.439 like using analogies that are stupid because that's what I am. 114 00:05:53.480 --> 00:05:55.839 But like if you own the you in the world's 115 00:05:55.879 --> 00:05:59.199 greatest pizza franchise and everybody goes there because you have 116 00:05:59.240 --> 00:06:01.800 the best like sauce in the world, and then all 117 00:06:01.800 --> 00:06:04.240 of a sudden, you're doing the best business business, your 118 00:06:04.279 --> 00:06:06.360 wives are making, you're making more money than you ever have. 119 00:06:06.439 --> 00:06:08.560 And then you say, you know what, I'm going to 120 00:06:08.639 --> 00:06:10.720 change my sauce. And it's going to be in two years. 121 00:06:10.759 --> 00:06:12.319 But we're going to change it. Even though it's the 122 00:06:12.360 --> 00:06:14.800 best in the world, we're gonna make it worse because 123 00:06:14.800 --> 00:06:17.879 we're going to go back to the whatever quality of 124 00:06:17.920 --> 00:06:21.240 the you know, brick Oven from Freaking Italy in seventeen 125 00:06:21.279 --> 00:06:24.319 twenty seven. I have no idea it Just like, from 126 00:06:24.319 --> 00:06:28.040 a business standpoint, if you need to make changes. If 127 00:06:28.040 --> 00:06:29.879 your business isn't going well, you need to pivot, you 128 00:06:29.920 --> 00:06:32.160 need to whatever it is right if you're running a business, 129 00:06:32.160 --> 00:06:36.720 but changing changing something when you're when it's better than 130 00:06:36.759 --> 00:06:39.639 it's ever been, that's crazy And Tigers ago, Like, I 131 00:06:39.680 --> 00:06:42.879 could never argue against anything he says, but I can 132 00:06:43.360 --> 00:06:47.279 probably one million percent guarantee you he'd be singing a 133 00:06:47.279 --> 00:06:50.680 different tune if it was two thousand and not twenty 134 00:06:50.720 --> 00:06:51.279 twenty three. 135 00:06:52.160 --> 00:06:54.680 You know, wasn't he the first person to play a 136 00:06:54.720 --> 00:06:56.560 three piece ball on tour? 137 00:06:57.160 --> 00:07:01.439 Yeah, I mean he's he's he's had his own he's 138 00:07:01.439 --> 00:07:04.120 had his own kind of personalized equipment, you know, all 139 00:07:04.160 --> 00:07:06.720 this stuff with Stamp Nike obviously it was it wasn't 140 00:07:06.800 --> 00:07:10.639 anything that anybody sold. His ball was way different. He 141 00:07:10.720 --> 00:07:12.680 had a ball. I think his ball might have spun 142 00:07:12.759 --> 00:07:14.680 more or whatever, but he had his stuff dialed like 143 00:07:14.720 --> 00:07:20.000 he was a super super tech mechanical guy. He wasn't 144 00:07:20.000 --> 00:07:22.000 a you know, grab it off the rack whatever. Like 145 00:07:22.079 --> 00:07:25.360 everything that he's had has been you know, pretty much calibrated. 146 00:07:26.079 --> 00:07:30.199 But yeah, it's very surprising. I mean I heard Jack Nicholas. Obviously, 147 00:07:30.439 --> 00:07:35.079 you know he's doesn't play anymore. Maybe he kicks it 148 00:07:35.120 --> 00:07:38.240 around every now and again recreationally. But I just haven't 149 00:07:38.279 --> 00:07:40.199 heard any of the modern players that are like at 150 00:07:40.240 --> 00:07:42.680 their peak, that think it's a uh I think it's 151 00:07:42.680 --> 00:07:44.480 a good idea. And that's when you know that it's 152 00:07:44.480 --> 00:07:46.920 a bad idea because thank God, like the PGA Tour, 153 00:07:46.959 --> 00:07:49.720 players are actually like running the tour now, I mean 154 00:07:49.759 --> 00:07:52.319 it's run by players, Like, let's be honest, they're they're 155 00:07:52.319 --> 00:07:55.399 doing all these special events for the top guys, making 156 00:07:55.439 --> 00:07:58.959 more money, all these things. Like the commissioner doesn't want 157 00:07:59.000 --> 00:08:00.600 to do any of these things, like doing it because 158 00:08:00.639 --> 00:08:02.279 the players are saying, hey, this is kind of how 159 00:08:02.279 --> 00:08:04.519 it has to go moving forward, and boom they're doing it. 160 00:08:05.279 --> 00:08:07.120 So it just seems weird, man. 161 00:08:07.560 --> 00:08:11.360 Right, yeah, don't you think that it's going to be 162 00:08:11.439 --> 00:08:15.040 a different deal for college players? So college players can 163 00:08:15.160 --> 00:08:18.519 use an aluminum bat right now, then they turned pro 164 00:08:18.600 --> 00:08:20.800 and they have to use a wooden bat. But if 165 00:08:20.800 --> 00:08:24.079 you remember like the gorilla ball days of the nineties 166 00:08:24.160 --> 00:08:27.839 and two thousands, remember those bats. Those dudes are hitting it. 167 00:08:28.360 --> 00:08:32.799 So there's an East and I forget the actual brand, 168 00:08:33.399 --> 00:08:36.600 the model name of the Eastern bat, but a guy 169 00:08:36.639 --> 00:08:39.840 did a survey. He went he was a former college 170 00:08:39.840 --> 00:08:43.799 baseball player, still in good shape. He got today's baseball bat, 171 00:08:43.919 --> 00:08:46.840 these college players using Marucci, and then he got one 172 00:08:46.840 --> 00:08:49.720 from like the late nineties, early two thousands guerrilla ball 173 00:08:49.759 --> 00:08:52.000 before they changed the bat, and he got them on track. 174 00:08:52.080 --> 00:08:57.039 Man compared him side by side, and since the exit 175 00:08:57.080 --> 00:08:59.679 speeds on the track, Man like he had to spank 176 00:08:59.759 --> 00:09:03.600 one to get it to one hundred and ten exit speed. 177 00:09:04.039 --> 00:09:07.320 Uh with today's bat. But then he pulled the gorilla 178 00:09:07.360 --> 00:09:09.879 ball bat the easton from the I was like ninety 179 00:09:09.960 --> 00:09:13.960 nine or two thousand one two was his first exit 180 00:09:14.000 --> 00:09:17.360 speed on track man. So but they but they rolled 181 00:09:17.399 --> 00:09:21.240 the bat back and it ended up being like nothing. 182 00:09:21.519 --> 00:09:24.279 After five years, guys are still hitting home runs. It's 183 00:09:24.279 --> 00:09:26.559 still exciting for the fans. Shit. I mean, I don't 184 00:09:26.559 --> 00:09:29.960 know how many home runs Lushues hit through fifteen games 185 00:09:30.000 --> 00:09:32.840 this year, but it's at least won a game. So 186 00:09:34.039 --> 00:09:36.519 I think it's we're kind of in that that area 187 00:09:36.600 --> 00:09:39.399 right now with the golf ball, where it sounds like 188 00:09:39.440 --> 00:09:42.720 a terrible idea. Everybody hates it. That's in their prime, right, 189 00:09:43.159 --> 00:09:46.320 but then if you do it five years down the road, 190 00:09:46.480 --> 00:09:50.440 it's forgotten about it. Sound it feels like that's this 191 00:09:50.559 --> 00:09:52.480 is one of those things and I'm not for it. 192 00:09:52.559 --> 00:09:55.120 Like I'm definitely not for it. I like, I need 193 00:09:55.159 --> 00:09:57.200 all the distance I can get. I'm a short, I'm 194 00:09:57.200 --> 00:10:00.519 a short piece of shit hitter anyway I need. I 195 00:10:00.559 --> 00:10:03.559 need the extra fifteen yards. But I'm not going to 196 00:10:03.600 --> 00:10:06.480 be playing it, obviously. I'm going to be playing the 197 00:10:06.519 --> 00:10:09.399 ball from Taylor May that they send me, and it's 198 00:10:09.440 --> 00:10:10.919 not going to be the tour ball I'm not. I 199 00:10:10.960 --> 00:10:12.559 don't give a shit. I don't want to hit it 200 00:10:12.559 --> 00:10:13.919 two sixty instead of two eighty. 201 00:10:14.279 --> 00:10:17.120 That's probably what they're going to send. Dude, they no joke, 202 00:10:17.360 --> 00:10:20.000 That's probably what the lind ub sending. So like Jared 203 00:10:20.159 --> 00:10:23.399 was saying, like the AJJA announced that all the kids 204 00:10:23.399 --> 00:10:26.120 in their tournaments would be playing the new spinny balls 205 00:10:27.200 --> 00:10:28.039 the AGA. 206 00:10:28.320 --> 00:10:31.440 What about college? So I brought that college analogy. I 207 00:10:31.440 --> 00:10:33.080 brought that college college. 208 00:10:32.759 --> 00:10:34.919 For sure is going to have to if AJGA is 209 00:10:34.960 --> 00:10:37.919 playing it, for sure, college guys are going to be 210 00:10:37.960 --> 00:10:38.399 playing it. 211 00:10:38.639 --> 00:10:42.000 Which is which is you think, Oh hell yes, I 212 00:10:42.000 --> 00:10:44.919 mean they can use rangebinders. They can use rangebinders in college. 213 00:10:44.919 --> 00:10:46.639 They can wear shorts, but they can as. 214 00:10:46.559 --> 00:10:48.879 A pro that's the highest level amateur golf in the 215 00:10:48.879 --> 00:10:51.399 world is D one college at the top, those guys 216 00:10:51.399 --> 00:10:54.200 are as good. I mean, the top five guys are 217 00:10:54.240 --> 00:10:55.039 pig I agree. 218 00:10:55.080 --> 00:10:57.320 But there's also a different set of rules right for 219 00:10:57.440 --> 00:11:00.240 college for college golf than there is for the PGA Tour. Yeah, 220 00:11:00.399 --> 00:11:01.440 just like there is college base. 221 00:11:01.519 --> 00:11:03.639 But if they're doing it in junior golf, if they're 222 00:11:03.679 --> 00:11:05.559 doing it in junior golf, they're going to do it 223 00:11:05.600 --> 00:11:06.440 in college golf. 224 00:11:06.600 --> 00:11:10.279 I bet, I bet you, Yeah you think so. Oh 225 00:11:10.320 --> 00:11:12.080 So here's what the a j g A said. They 226 00:11:12.120 --> 00:11:14.360 if they essentially walked it down the line. They said, 227 00:11:15.039 --> 00:11:17.799 our mission and purpose is to prepare our players for 228 00:11:17.879 --> 00:11:21.360 college golf. If it's adopt at the collegiate level, it 229 00:11:21.360 --> 00:11:23.600 would be an important part of that preparation for our 230 00:11:23.600 --> 00:11:26.639 players and college coaches who are recruiting them, which essentially 231 00:11:26.639 --> 00:11:28.759 means they're going to encourage their players to play that 232 00:11:28.840 --> 00:11:31.720 ball if it's adopted at the collegiate level. And and 233 00:11:31.799 --> 00:11:33.759 p D, I don't know how it's not adopted at 234 00:11:33.799 --> 00:11:38.360 the collegiate level. When you got guys like Texas tagu 235 00:11:38.679 --> 00:11:42.919 what's his name, JJ, he's playing a Yeah, you love 236 00:11:42.960 --> 00:11:44.919 but he's playing in its second tour event this week. 237 00:11:45.000 --> 00:11:46.600 What's he going to do next week when he goes 238 00:11:46.639 --> 00:11:49.639 out with Texas Tech and the switch balls? Yeah, and 239 00:11:49.679 --> 00:11:51.320 then come back. I just don't know how you do it. 240 00:11:51.399 --> 00:11:53.240 Yeah, I mean, gues see that through. And that's like, 241 00:11:53.279 --> 00:11:55.360 are these things going to be on the shelf like 242 00:11:55.879 --> 00:11:58.519 they have to be if you're playing the AJGA, This 243 00:11:58.840 --> 00:12:01.759 like dumb down. You know, tour ball has to be 244 00:12:01.840 --> 00:12:03.679 on the shelf, and you have to have all your 245 00:12:03.720 --> 00:12:06.840 favorite brands. So every single brand of golf ball manufacturers 246 00:12:07.080 --> 00:12:09.120 is going to have to sack up, spend fifty million 247 00:12:09.159 --> 00:12:11.639 dollars and make their own version of this thing. Like 248 00:12:11.759 --> 00:12:16.200 I just it's fine, Like I don't know, I don't 249 00:12:16.320 --> 00:12:19.720 like it, but I can also see where we'll forget 250 00:12:19.759 --> 00:12:23.320 about it really quick, you know, in two or three years. 251 00:12:23.360 --> 00:12:24.039 I think that's right. 252 00:12:24.799 --> 00:12:27.159 And here's the thing that I've kind of come away with. 253 00:12:28.080 --> 00:12:32.039 I cannot believe like how divisive this was on golf 254 00:12:32.080 --> 00:12:35.720 Twitter and in the golf world. I mean it's like 255 00:12:35.840 --> 00:12:39.039 live two point up. It's like if you just tweet 256 00:12:39.080 --> 00:12:42.120 the year four against it, you're gonna get ratioed. I 257 00:12:42.200 --> 00:12:45.600 simply put a graph up of the R and d 258 00:12:46.080 --> 00:12:51.000 Expanse for Titleist and Calaway and literally got ratio and whatever, 259 00:12:51.320 --> 00:12:53.360 like some people probably have fair points in there, but 260 00:12:54.159 --> 00:12:56.279 I'm just like, holy shit, I had no idea that 261 00:12:56.320 --> 00:12:58.200 everyone was this fired up about it. I know you 262 00:12:58.320 --> 00:13:02.639 we're going to get excited, but my god, yeah yeah 263 00:13:02.679 --> 00:13:03.360 it doesn't. 264 00:13:03.399 --> 00:13:06.679 Really that goes without saying though it's Twitter, right, Twitter 265 00:13:06.759 --> 00:13:10.799 is not really for one for two for two, like 266 00:13:11.519 --> 00:13:14.440 I love. I love going on Twitter and just lighting 267 00:13:14.480 --> 00:13:17.080 a small fire, like just a real small fire with 268 00:13:17.120 --> 00:13:20.200 one tweet and then just reading the responses and just 269 00:13:20.240 --> 00:13:23.279 not responding to anyone. That's my favorite thing to do, 270 00:13:23.440 --> 00:13:26.200 is like not responding to anyone, but lighting a small 271 00:13:26.240 --> 00:13:28.279 fire at the top and just watching it just get 272 00:13:28.320 --> 00:13:31.080 bigger and bigger and bigger as it goes. That's the 273 00:13:31.080 --> 00:13:33.679 best thing about Twitter is that when you ignore people, 274 00:13:33.759 --> 00:13:35.960 it makes them more mad than if you actually like 275 00:13:36.039 --> 00:13:38.320 came back with something really really good. 276 00:13:38.399 --> 00:13:38.559 You know. 277 00:13:38.600 --> 00:13:41.159 That's why the mute button is so powerful, Like I've 278 00:13:41.200 --> 00:13:43.120 got I've got a lot of people muted, Like a 279 00:13:43.159 --> 00:13:45.600 whole lot of people muted, and they don't know, they 280 00:13:45.600 --> 00:13:48.519 have no idea, Like that's that's the best, Like they're 281 00:13:48.559 --> 00:13:51.440 just yelling into into the black hole at that point. 282 00:13:51.519 --> 00:13:54.440 And I love that part about Twitter. But yeah, you're right. 283 00:13:54.480 --> 00:13:56.919 I mean, if you pick aside at any time on 284 00:13:56.960 --> 00:14:01.080 Twitter people, whether you're wrong, you're what because it's Twitter's 285 00:14:01.080 --> 00:14:03.600 not real, it's just not But but the golf ball 286 00:14:03.639 --> 00:14:06.240 thing's gonna have to be. It's gonna have to be 287 00:14:06.519 --> 00:14:09.279 probably played on the PGA Tour. I would imagine. I 288 00:14:09.279 --> 00:14:11.639 would guess that live would follow. I would guess if 289 00:14:11.639 --> 00:14:14.080 the World Tour does it to everybody does at college golf, 290 00:14:14.120 --> 00:14:16.840 AJGA all the way down. But what I'm what I'm 291 00:14:16.840 --> 00:14:19.200 so confused about is is how are they going to 292 00:14:19.399 --> 00:14:23.480 get this thing to the regular guy? Like how there's 293 00:14:23.519 --> 00:14:25.679 gonna have to be millions of these things made. If 294 00:14:25.720 --> 00:14:28.679 they're going to be required in AJGA and high school golf, 295 00:14:28.919 --> 00:14:31.159 like they're just gonna be, they might as well just 296 00:14:32.159 --> 00:14:34.960 make it the regular ball and not not make a 297 00:14:35.039 --> 00:14:35.960 hyped up ball anymore. 298 00:14:36.039 --> 00:14:36.879 Yeah, make golf hard. 299 00:14:36.879 --> 00:14:40.159 It's easy of ship, right, That's why, that's why, that's 300 00:14:40.200 --> 00:14:42.919 why golfers can't break ninety. 301 00:14:43.200 --> 00:14:46.399 It's so dumb. Yeah, I'm not for it, but I 302 00:14:46.440 --> 00:14:49.960 do I do think we'll forget about it really quickly, dude. 303 00:14:49.960 --> 00:14:51.480 You know what, you know what be like a nails 304 00:14:51.519 --> 00:14:54.519 marketing deal for Live and they're like, fuck this man, 305 00:14:54.519 --> 00:14:58.720 we're gonna go anti spin, Like we're gonna anti spin 306 00:14:58.879 --> 00:15:01.960 Mafia anti with just pimples, you know, like they did. 307 00:15:02.080 --> 00:15:05.320 They pay the Saudi's pay Infinity money to design a 308 00:15:05.360 --> 00:15:09.759 ball that goes like forever, Like I'm talking forever. Like 309 00:15:10.200 --> 00:15:12.759 they're playing Greenbrier this year, like first hole Bryce and 310 00:15:12.799 --> 00:15:15.000 gets up there and like flies the green with driver. 311 00:15:16.000 --> 00:15:18.159 That would be must watch TV. I mean, are you 312 00:15:18.200 --> 00:15:18.960 freaking kidding me? 313 00:15:19.080 --> 00:15:21.600 Watching guys fly at four hundred in the air PGA 314 00:15:21.679 --> 00:15:24.559 Tour they fly it too, just as down eighteen yards, 315 00:15:24.600 --> 00:15:27.720 the Live Tour average driving distance REPD is three point 316 00:15:27.720 --> 00:15:29.679 thirty nine off the freaking team. 317 00:15:31.440 --> 00:15:34.120 Uh you pair that with some pure spin wedges and 318 00:15:34.159 --> 00:15:36.799 guys are just sucking sucking it back from you know, 319 00:15:37.080 --> 00:15:38.360 the back of the green all the way to the 320 00:15:38.360 --> 00:15:39.440 front of the green forty yards. 321 00:15:39.480 --> 00:15:41.200 I mean people are like a guy, I mean, you've 322 00:15:41.200 --> 00:15:44.279 played in the Masters, so like my really really I 323 00:15:44.320 --> 00:15:46.759 wish you would actually not light small fires. I wish 324 00:15:46.799 --> 00:15:48.799 you'd like pour gasoline on them on Twitter. But people 325 00:15:48.799 --> 00:15:52.240 are like Augusta Nashal's becoming you know, irrelevant. I was like, 326 00:15:52.759 --> 00:15:54.679 I mean, when I look at people that have a 327 00:15:54.679 --> 00:15:57.039 green jacket, I'm pretty sure like the Champions dinner, it's 328 00:15:57.039 --> 00:15:59.600 not a bunch of people that suck ass in the 329 00:15:59.720 --> 00:16:03.679 champ dinner on Tuesday, Like, I'm pretty sure that. I mean, 330 00:16:03.679 --> 00:16:06.759 they're acting like Bryson like was driving. They're acting They're 331 00:16:06.799 --> 00:16:09.480 acting like Bryson drove thirteen and Augusta. That's what like 332 00:16:09.559 --> 00:16:11.799 we were saying yesterday, some of these people are acting 333 00:16:11.840 --> 00:16:14.200 like Bryson just pulled up driver and drove thirteen to 334 00:16:14.240 --> 00:16:15.799 a foot and tapped in for double eagle. 335 00:16:16.519 --> 00:16:18.279 I'm I mean. 336 00:16:18.200 --> 00:16:20.360 It's like it's like, well, Augusta had to spend you know, 337 00:16:20.519 --> 00:16:23.279 seventy nine million to extend the tea back fifty yards, 338 00:16:23.279 --> 00:16:25.759 so guys would well now instead of three where they're 339 00:16:25.799 --> 00:16:28.000 hitting the driver, who cares, they're still eating pitching witch 340 00:16:28.320 --> 00:16:30.600 and their guys are stronger than they are too, I mean, 341 00:16:30.639 --> 00:16:34.039 p d dude, how much stronger are guys? Well, like, 342 00:16:34.120 --> 00:16:36.720 I'm older, but when I would like first started out 343 00:16:36.720 --> 00:16:38.480 on corn Ferry and then the guys that when I 344 00:16:38.519 --> 00:16:41.519 was like twenty three or whatever, twenty four and the 345 00:16:41.559 --> 00:16:44.759 guys were old, like the forty eight year old guys 346 00:16:44.840 --> 00:16:47.120 and I don't know, hopefully they're still alive when I 347 00:16:47.200 --> 00:16:49.399 was there, however, the old they are now, But like 348 00:16:49.639 --> 00:16:51.159 they were a different body style. 349 00:16:51.240 --> 00:16:51.440 Bro. 350 00:16:51.639 --> 00:16:54.960 They were like they were like Burrows, Like I mean, 351 00:16:55.000 --> 00:16:58.440 I'm wor up. Yeah well yeah yeah, well lump he's alive. 352 00:16:58.559 --> 00:17:01.200 But but like, dude, it is it different. I mean, 353 00:17:01.240 --> 00:17:03.799 we're talking guys, guys hanging on Yeah. 354 00:17:03.559 --> 00:17:04.480 He's hanging in there. 355 00:17:04.519 --> 00:17:08.880 We're talking to like guys that are ten years you know, 356 00:17:09.079 --> 00:17:11.880 past Champions Tour now. But it was a like guys 357 00:17:11.880 --> 00:17:14.039 are bigger now, they're stronger. I mean, I mean, I 358 00:17:14.039 --> 00:17:16.119 don't know, Bernard Longer has been on the Champions Store 359 00:17:16.160 --> 00:17:18.960 for a million years. But you know what I'm saying, 360 00:17:19.039 --> 00:17:21.440 some of those guys, well, the thing is they're going 361 00:17:21.519 --> 00:17:23.440 to catch up to it, like the ball is going 362 00:17:23.519 --> 00:17:25.640 to be dumbed down, and then ten years from now 363 00:17:25.920 --> 00:17:28.160 they're gonna have to do it again. It's like it's 364 00:17:28.200 --> 00:17:30.839 just backwards. You know, they're not going to ever raise 365 00:17:30.880 --> 00:17:32.839 the hoop in basketball. They're not going to do it. 366 00:17:32.920 --> 00:17:37.680 People want to see badass dunks and crazy layups. And 367 00:17:38.160 --> 00:17:41.400 stupid finishes to games when you have a bad inbound pass, 368 00:17:41.480 --> 00:17:43.400 like that's that's the beauty of it, you know, it's 369 00:17:43.440 --> 00:17:45.839 it's people. People evolve with the game. 370 00:17:46.480 --> 00:17:49.039 Bernard Longer is probably pissed, like he's been on there. 371 00:17:49.160 --> 00:17:51.119 He's like eighty six years old and he's winning on 372 00:17:51.160 --> 00:17:52.920 the Champions Tour and he's like, now you got Now I. 373 00:17:52.880 --> 00:17:54.279 Got to play a ball that goes shorter. 374 00:17:54.759 --> 00:17:56.119 He's like, are you freaking kidding? 375 00:17:56.359 --> 00:17:56.559 Man? 376 00:17:56.880 --> 00:17:58.799 Now all that now, only fifty year olds are gonna 377 00:17:58.799 --> 00:17:59.519 win out there. 378 00:17:59.480 --> 00:18:02.960 Like think boring the Champions Tours. You have guys flying 379 00:18:02.960 --> 00:18:05.759 it when you're playing part three. Like I caddied in 380 00:18:05.799 --> 00:18:07.920 the US Senior Open last year for Buddy Mine. It 381 00:18:07.960 --> 00:18:10.039 was it was, It was a good time. But there's 382 00:18:10.039 --> 00:18:12.680 a par three out there. It's like two twenty, all right. 383 00:18:12.960 --> 00:18:15.319 The guy was cattying for a strong like bull Clay 384 00:18:15.319 --> 00:18:18.359 Wings and he was I think he's fifty or fifty one, 385 00:18:18.440 --> 00:18:22.640 so he's still young for the Champions Tour and he's 386 00:18:22.680 --> 00:18:24.839 sitting four and farther than I do anyway, But some 387 00:18:24.880 --> 00:18:27.720 of those dudes like two twenty, that's gonna be a 388 00:18:27.720 --> 00:18:30.680 full driver for some of those guys, and that's gonna 389 00:18:30.680 --> 00:18:33.400 be on TV like, oh, what's he got? What's what's 390 00:18:33.400 --> 00:18:36.759 the caddy saying? Like, what's what's the symbol for driver? Driver? 391 00:18:36.880 --> 00:18:38.839 On a par three? It's like a full knuckle, like 392 00:18:39.119 --> 00:18:41.599 you know, half of half a baby arm, Like what 393 00:18:42.160 --> 00:18:44.799 is it? You know? It's just like it. It's gonna 394 00:18:44.839 --> 00:18:46.960 suck on TV too. And guys are pulling three wood 395 00:18:47.039 --> 00:18:49.039 on the PGA Tour from two thirty. 396 00:18:49.160 --> 00:18:51.480 Well, dude, and and and I don't want to say, 397 00:18:51.519 --> 00:18:53.960 I don't want I mean people people know that you 398 00:18:54.000 --> 00:18:56.720 and I love LPGA. Danielle is like our girl, but 399 00:18:56.839 --> 00:18:59.400 like they don't hit it far an LPGA tour at all, 400 00:19:00.519 --> 00:19:03.559 and now they're going to hit it shorter too, And 401 00:19:03.599 --> 00:19:05.960