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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Killer in the Code Solving the Black

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<v Speaker 1>Dahia and Zodiac cases. I'm Michael Connelly and this is

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<v Speaker 1>chapter four. Today we're going to sit down with the

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<v Speaker 1>professional codebreakers that were brought in to independently backcheck a

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<v Speaker 1>major breakthrough in these two infamous cases, but then proceeded

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<v Speaker 1>to come up with two major breakthroughs of their own,

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<v Speaker 1>and in the process found the digital evidence that may

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<v Speaker 1>solve another cold case. If I was writing this as

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<v Speaker 1>a novel, it would definitely be a page turner. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's sort of my task today to try to take

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<v Speaker 1>this highly technical story and turn it into everyday language

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<v Speaker 1>that any listener can follow and understand. I'll do my best.

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<v Speaker 1>This all began with cold case consultant Alex Baber cracking

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<v Speaker 1>the Holy Grail of Zodiac ciphers, the Z thirteen, so

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<v Speaker 1>named because it had only thirteen digits, making it previously

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<v Speaker 1>believed to be unbreakable. Z thirteen is also known as

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<v Speaker 1>the My Name Is cipher because the Zodiac boasted that

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<v Speaker 1>he had put his name into the code. Efforts to

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<v Speaker 1>break it were unsuccessful for fifty plus years until Baber

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<v Speaker 1>came along and used a combination of AI aided data

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<v Speaker 1>crunching and legwork to weed through seventy one million names

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<v Speaker 1>and narrow it down to one. Marvin Merrill, also known

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<v Speaker 1>as Marvin Margolis, one of the top suspects in the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen forty seven murder of Elizabeth Short, better known as

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<v Speaker 1>the Black Dahlia. Baber put together a team of investigators

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<v Speaker 1>to help him look for evidence that would support his

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<v Speaker 1>findings and lead to the solving of the cases that

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<v Speaker 1>have fascinated people for decades. When I was asked to

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<v Speaker 1>join the team, the first thing I did was look

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<v Speaker 1>for the kind of professional cryptographer that would independently confirm

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<v Speaker 1>or condemn Baber's work. If the entire investigation was going

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<v Speaker 1>to be built on Baber's claim to have broken Z thirteen,

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<v Speaker 1>I had to make sure that claim was legitimate. I

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<v Speaker 1>reached out to Ed Georgio, who spent thirty years with

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<v Speaker 1>the National Security Agency and is the only man in

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<v Speaker 1>the agency's history to hold both chief codebreaker and chief

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<v Speaker 1>code maker positions. Georgio, in turn, brought in two other

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<v Speaker 1>veteran cryptographers, Patrick Henry and Rich Rozanouski to conduct a

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<v Speaker 1>peer review of his work. Together, the three code breakers

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<v Speaker 1>have nearly one hundred years of experience, mostly working on

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<v Speaker 1>classified projects for the NSA or its British counterpart, the

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<v Speaker 1>Government Communications Headquarters. All three are still active in cybersecurity

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<v Speaker 1>and sleuthing. As reported in episode one of the podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>the Cryptography Team confirmed the work Baber did in arriving

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<v Speaker 1>at the name Marvin Merrill hidden in the Z thirteen code.

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<v Speaker 1>In the Los Angeles Times, Giorgio called Baber's work the

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<v Speaker 1>greatest sluice story ever told, and as he continues work

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<v Speaker 1>on the case, he is not backing down.

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<v Speaker 2>Believes that this was a monumental discovery.

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<v Speaker 1>The world of cryptology is a mystery in itself. It's

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<v Speaker 1>populated by mathematicians and cyber experts that speak their own language.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes what they say is as hard to decipher as

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<v Speaker 1>the codes they make or break. But the confirmation of

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<v Speaker 1>Baber's breaking of the Z thirteen is based on several

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<v Speaker 1>steps that identify the Zodiac's methodology and keywords that in

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<v Speaker 1>a way act like the passwords we use on our

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<v Speaker 1>computers and phones and websites in everyday life. Each step

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<v Speaker 1>successfully take and reduce the possibility of error in Baber's work,

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<v Speaker 1>and closed in on Marvin Merrill as the only name

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<v Speaker 1>that finally fit the cipher.

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<v Speaker 2>There are many people out there who correctly claim that

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<v Speaker 2>you could make this cipher decrypt to any name you like.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not quite true, but it's it's not strictly incorrect.

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<v Speaker 1>That was at Georgio again. I sat down with him

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<v Speaker 1>and a member of his team, Patrick Henry, to discuss

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<v Speaker 1>their work on the case. Let's start with the original

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<v Speaker 1>code maker. In this case, that would be the Zodiac.

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<v Speaker 1>He wrote many catch me if you can letters to

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<v Speaker 1>the newspapers in the sixties and seventies. For these included

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<v Speaker 1>ciphers starting with the Z four oaid. Once again, the

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<v Speaker 1>numbers in these code names reflects the number of characters

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<v Speaker 1>in the cipher. It is standard knowledge in cryptography that

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<v Speaker 1>the longer a cipher is, the better chance there is

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<v Speaker 1>that it can and will be broken. The four OA

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<v Speaker 1>code was presented in a grid. It was sent in

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<v Speaker 1>three parts to three different newspapers. Most of it was

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<v Speaker 1>broken within a week by a pair of school teachers.

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<v Speaker 1>Not only was it long, but it was designed using

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<v Speaker 1>only a substitution methodology, meaning that letters were replaced by

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<v Speaker 1>numbers or symbols or other letters. By studying the frequency

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<v Speaker 1>of these characters and noting double letters and other anomalies,

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<v Speaker 1>a de encryption map could be arrived at that translated

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<v Speaker 1>each character in the cipher's grid to the correct letter

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<v Speaker 1>in the alphabet. There was an eighteen character tale to

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<v Speaker 1>the four to H eight cipher that was not broken,

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<v Speaker 1>but we will get to that later in the episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Possibly because his first cipher was so easily broken, the

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<v Speaker 1>Zodiac made a second cipher, the so called Z three forty,

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<v Speaker 1>much tougher. He used a substitution code with a permutation,

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<v Speaker 1>which means the characters were shuffled in some way after

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<v Speaker 1>the substitution process. Giorgio said it seems clear to him

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<v Speaker 1>that the Zodiac stepped up his game with Z three forty.

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<v Speaker 2>He probably thought it would be hard to break, if

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<v Speaker 2>not secure, but it was broken. That taught him a lesson.

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<v Speaker 2>The lesson it taught him was, I need a permutation,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm going to use the knights tour. And that's

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<v Speaker 2>what he did, and it went unsolved for fifty years,

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<v Speaker 2>and I worked on it myself fifty years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>The Z three forty was also a grid cipher. It

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<v Speaker 1>finally was broken just a few years ago by a

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<v Speaker 1>team of mathematicians and cryptology enthusiasts. They identified the use

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<v Speaker 1>of the knight's tour chess move as the permutation in

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<v Speaker 1>the cipher. This permutation required shuffling the characters and the

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<v Speaker 1>grid in the way a knight is moved on a

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<v Speaker 1>chess board that is two squares vertically or horizontally, followed

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<v Speaker 1>by one square to the right. In late nineteen sixty nine,

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<v Speaker 1>the president of the American Cryptogramociation publicly belittled the Zodiac's

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<v Speaker 1>code making skill and challenged him to put his name

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<v Speaker 1>in a cipher, expressing doubt that he ever would dare

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<v Speaker 1>to do it, but he was wrong. On April twentieth,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy, the Zodiac's third cipher, the Z thirteen, arrived

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<v Speaker 1>at the San Francisco Chronicle, with the Zodiac boldly claiming

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<v Speaker 1>that he put his name into the thirteen character string

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<v Speaker 1>of symbols and letters. By keeping it under fifteen characters.

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<v Speaker 1>The Zodiac most likely believed it was unbreakable. Most of

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<v Speaker 1>the manuals and literature on code of the day told

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<v Speaker 1>him so, but nevertheless, the Zodiac used two coding methodologies

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<v Speaker 1>to double down and make sure we will get into

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<v Speaker 1>the construction in a minute, but I just wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>mention that the Zodiac's last known cipher came in a

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<v Speaker 1>few months later, the Z thirty two cipher, which we

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<v Speaker 1>talked about in episode three. We'll also have more to

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<v Speaker 1>say about that later in the episode. When Ed Giorgio

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<v Speaker 1>and his team took up the task of backtracking the

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<v Speaker 1>work of Alex Baber, they were chiefly concerned with two things.

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<v Speaker 1>The first was to learn how Baber broke the code

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<v Speaker 1>and what methods he used to do it. The second

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<v Speaker 1>was to put themselves in the Zodiac's shoes and learn

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<v Speaker 1>what methods he had used to compose the cipher in

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<v Speaker 1>the first place. In a way, these were two separate

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<v Speaker 1>investigations that would wrap around each other like a double halix.

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<v Speaker 1>There were outside factors that had to be considered at

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<v Speaker 1>the start, namely, how did the Zodiac learn cryptology? Baber

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<v Speaker 1>believed that the Zodiac's code making had origins in military

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<v Speaker 1>code work. This was not a new concept, and the

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<v Speaker 1>Georgio team thought the same. We discussed this in chapter

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<v Speaker 1>three of the podcast. But here was cryptographer Patrick Henry

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<v Speaker 1>with a refresher on the materials that would have been

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<v Speaker 1>available to someone encrypting messages in the late nineteen sixties.

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<v Speaker 3>The book that I believe would have been the most

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<v Speaker 3>readily available was by Helen Gaines, and it's called Cryptanalysis,

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<v Speaker 3>A Study of Ciphers and a Solution. And you can

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<v Speaker 3>see on the cover a sort of grid based cipher

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<v Speaker 3>right there the Army Field Manual on Basic Cryptography, which

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<v Speaker 3>was actually published in nineteen fifty after the war. So

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<v Speaker 3>it's not clear that he would have had access to

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<v Speaker 3>that specifically, but other materials similar materials may have been

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<v Speaker 3>available to him.

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<v Speaker 1>Henry also mentioned a book originally published in nineteen sixteen

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<v Speaker 1>called Manual for the Solution of Military Ciphers by Parker

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<v Speaker 1>hit In his investigation, Alx Baber spent two years working

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<v Speaker 1>on Z thirteen and trying to identif the methodology used

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<v Speaker 1>in the encryption. It was obviously a substitution cipher, but

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<v Speaker 1>there was also a permutation that needed to be identified.

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<v Speaker 1>Though the cipher was presented by the Zodiac on one

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<v Speaker 1>line in the letter to the Chronicle, Baber noted that

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<v Speaker 1>the other three Zodiac codes were grid ciphers. He decided

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<v Speaker 1>to take Z thirteen and put it on a grid

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<v Speaker 1>that is Instead of keeping it on one line, he

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<v Speaker 1>broke it into two rows of seven characters with the

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<v Speaker 1>addition of a blank or a knull to make sure

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<v Speaker 1>there would be seven columns with two characters each. That

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<v Speaker 1>move by Baber eventually broke things open when he was

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<v Speaker 1>able to identify the methodology use. The seven columns were

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<v Speaker 1>shuffled first, and then each letter was replaced in the

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<v Speaker 1>substitution scheme. Baber then spent nine months using an AI

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<v Speaker 1>program to weed through all the names that fit with

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<v Speaker 1>the permutation until there was one name left, Marvin Merrill.

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<v Speaker 1>The Georgio team followed the same path and confirmed what

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<v Speaker 1>Baber had done. They found that the Z thirteen encryption

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<v Speaker 1>method was a variation on the methodology used in the

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<v Speaker 1>other zodiac ciphers.

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<v Speaker 2>I know it's a difficult concept, but the permutation that

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<v Speaker 2>Alex gave us we believe is correct in part because

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<v Speaker 2>the method of encryption is very consistent with his prior

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<v Speaker 2>methods of encryption, and what Patrick just said about the

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<v Speaker 2>games book that tells you this is the way to

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<v Speaker 2>do it.

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<v Speaker 1>If this was a movie, this is where the story

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<v Speaker 1>would suddenly pivot and pick up speed ed and Patrick

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<v Speaker 1>and Rich the x NSA. Guys didn't leave it there.

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<v Speaker 1>With the confirmation of Alex Baber's methodology and solution, they

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<v Speaker 1>went from code breaking to code making. They started thinking

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<v Speaker 1>like the zodiac and how you would have composed the

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<v Speaker 1>Z thirteen cipher. Every book in text and primer on

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<v Speaker 1>code making, including those mentioned, already tells you to start

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<v Speaker 1>with a keyword that can be used to compose as

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<v Speaker 1>well as unravel the cipher. A word with at least

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<v Speaker 1>six to eight letters that can be numbered in order

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<v Speaker 1>of their appearance in the alphabet. The resulting number becomes

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<v Speaker 1>the permutation key or the substitution key. For example, if

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<v Speaker 1>you have your message in a grid with say four columns,

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<v Speaker 1>you want a keyword that is at least four characters long.

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<v Speaker 1>So say you use the word flag as your keyword.

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<v Speaker 1>You start by placing F above the first column, L

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<v Speaker 1>above the fourth. Then you sort the columns to put

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<v Speaker 1>the word flag would be A, F, G, L. The

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<v Speaker 1>A originally started above the third column, but A comes

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<v Speaker 1>The first column F would be the next letter in

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<v Speaker 1>the keyword to come alphabetically, So the F column moves

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<v Speaker 1>Cryptographers then typically converts such a keyword into numbers. The

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<v Speaker 1>The permutation key, if it could be discovered, would reveal

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<v Speaker 1>the correct order of the seven shuffled columns, and that,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, would further confirm Baber's solution. Patrick believed that

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<v Speaker 1>the sophistication of the Zodiac ciphers indicated that demand behind

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<v Speaker 2>Patrick was convinced that the permutation wasn't random and spent

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<v Speaker 2>days reverse engineering it. And I said to myself, geez.

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<v Speaker 4>He's probably going down a dead death, and he kept saying,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean no, there's got to be some way. He

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<v Speaker 4>out tried every combination.

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<v Speaker 2>So I had moved on I would I didn't do that.

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<v Speaker 2>So it just shows how what the value of a

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<v Speaker 1>The bottom line is Patrick found it. You turn a

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<v Speaker 1>that unlocked the door when Z thirteen was Elizabeth. And

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, you can only use a letter once

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<v Speaker 1>in a permutation key. So it became clear that the

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<v Speaker 3>After an AHA moment, definitely.

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<v Speaker 2>So Alex recovered the permutation and Patrick figured out how

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<v Speaker 2>it was generated in the first place. It was generated

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<v Speaker 2>by a standard scheme using the keyword Elizabeth.

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<v Speaker 3>That's something that really lends weight to this solution being correct.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not just an anagram of the ciphertext that you

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<v Speaker 3>then apply it septstitute to and get a random name.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a very structured reordering using the kinds of permutations

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<v Speaker 3>that were used in standard reference works. They all start with, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>here's how to make a substitution. Now here's how to

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<v Speaker 3>and then a discussion of okay, well we want to

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<v Speaker 3>combine these two in order to get a cipher that's

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<v Speaker 1>It was a stunning discovery Marvin Merrill. It used the

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<v Speaker 1>name of the black Dahlia as the keyword to a

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<v Speaker 1>zodiac cipher. It was another irrefutable connection between the cases.

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<v Speaker 1>All three parts of the crypto investigation came together, methodology, keyword,

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<v Speaker 2>So when people out there assert, hey, you can make

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<v Speaker 2>this decrypt to any name you want, they are correct.

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<v Speaker 2>But can you make it decrypt to something that has

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<v Speaker 2>all these other attributes, like we had prior knowledge that

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<v Speaker 2>this was a suspect, like we had prior knowledge of

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<v Speaker 2>the encryption system, like we had prior knowledge that this

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<v Speaker 2>was this person called Elizabeth.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't, You just can't.

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<v Speaker 5>Put all those three things together and come up with

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<v Speaker 5>the answer. Excuse me, come up with a believable answer.

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<v Speaker 5>You have to take all three as a package. The

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<v Speaker 5>first thing is the suspect's name. The second thing is what.

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<v Speaker 2>Actual encryption method was used? All right, not what the

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<v Speaker 2>answer was, what was the method. So we think that

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<v Speaker 2>his method looks very much like his prior methods. It

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<v Speaker 2>also the method is well informed by the gains text.

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<v Speaker 2>The third thing is, hey, a keyword actually generates the permutation,

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<v Speaker 2>and what is that keyword? That keyword is Elizabeth. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>my god. We've got great prior evidence in favor of that.

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<v Speaker 2>So what we see in the cipher text that crazy

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<v Speaker 2>thirteen long sequence is a precise mapping. From that, all

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<v Speaker 2>of those three assumptions have to be correct to.

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<v Speaker 3>Get at every stage in the way from the Z

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<v Speaker 3>thirteen to Marven Merrill. We have a believable, clausible method

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<v Speaker 3>to get from one to the other. And they all

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<v Speaker 3>kind of make sense, and they all hang together. And

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<v Speaker 3>generally that is not the kids Like if you have

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<v Speaker 3>a one of the other thousands of names that could

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<v Speaker 3>fit in terms of having the right number of repeats

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<v Speaker 3>in them, they won't necessarily match this permutation method with

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<v Speaker 3>any permutation, and if they do, the permutation keyword might

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<v Speaker 3>not be believable. And if they do, the name might

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<v Speaker 3>end up being something that isn't the name of a

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<v Speaker 3>real life person or a real dead person in this case.

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<v Speaker 3>And if they do, then you end up with a

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<v Speaker 3>substitution that has no known structure to it. But at

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<v Speaker 3>every stage in this we have structure. We have a

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<v Speaker 3>sort of a method of construction that is believable, matches

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<v Speaker 3>what was commonly described in texts and was and sort

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<v Speaker 3>of build in our confidence that this is the right solution.

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<v Speaker 1>I asked Georgia or Henry why they thought the Zodiac

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<v Speaker 1>would use a keyword that, if discovered, could connect him

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<v Speaker 1>to another case.

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<v Speaker 3>I think he would. He was trying to leave clues,

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<v Speaker 3>and he was trying to make it sort of tantalife

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<v Speaker 3>sing but hard, and so that when somebody did finally

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<v Speaker 3>come up with the solution, they would be able to

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<v Speaker 3>see how it was constructed and what the keyword was

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<v Speaker 3>and it wasn't just something made at random.

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<v Speaker 1>The keyword discovery galvanized the cryptography team because they now

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<v Speaker 1>understood that if the Zodiac used a keyword for the

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<v Speaker 1>Z thirteen codes permutation. Then he most likely used a

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<v Speaker 1>keyword for the substitution scheme as well. Once again they

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<v Speaker 1>were back in the zodiac shoes, figuring out what steps

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<v Speaker 1>he would have taken.

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<v Speaker 3>I think he would have started with the writing his

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<v Speaker 3>name in the grid and thinking what do I do next? Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>I do a permutation. So I'll come up with a keyword.

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<v Speaker 3>Use the keyword to make a permutation. All right, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>going to use Elizabeth. And so he used Elizabeth and

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<v Speaker 3>then reordered the letters. Now, just reordering the letter is

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<v Speaker 3>not going to be anywhere and it is secure enough.

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<v Speaker 3>So you have to have a substitution as well. And

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<v Speaker 3>how do you come up with the substitution. We don't

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<v Speaker 3>know how he came up with the substitutions, but his

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<v Speaker 3>earliest ciphers, we do believe that he used a keyword

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<v Speaker 3>for the substitution in Z thirteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Having brought in late to Patrick's belief that there was

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<v Speaker 1>a permutation keyword, ed dove headlong into the search for

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<v Speaker 1>a keyword to the substitution scheme in Z thirteen. He

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<v Speaker 1>worked at night and day, and on Thanksgiving morning, he

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<v Speaker 1>was once again back in front of the computer. Earlier,

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<v Speaker 1>he had identified the exact mapping of symbols to letters

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<v Speaker 1>in the code. He now had to find the keyword

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<v Speaker 1>that corresponded to it. An exhaustive search came up with

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen possibilities. Most of these words were nouns, verbs, and

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<v Speaker 1>adjectives ascending, freighter, and cherished. Only three of the nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>words were recognizable as names, Siegfried, Frederico, and Scherry Joe

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<v Speaker 1>with Sherry spelled unusually with a C, and Joe without

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<v Speaker 1>an E. The names and words meant nothing to Georgio.

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<v Speaker 1>He fed them into an AI program and asked if

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<v Speaker 1>any of the words on the list held any significance

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<v Speaker 1>in either the Zodiac or Black Dahia cases. The answer

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<v Speaker 1>was immediate. Cherry Joe Bates was murdered in Riverside, California,

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen sixty six and thought by many to be,

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<v Speaker 1>but never officially declared by police, to be a victim

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<v Speaker 1>of the Zodiac.

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<v Speaker 2>So this was kind of the second AHA moment.

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<v Speaker 1>Cherry Joe Bates was an eighteen year old college dudent

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<v Speaker 1>at Riverside Community College. She was murdered on the night

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<v Speaker 1>of October thirtieth, nineteen sixty six. Shortly after leaving the

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<v Speaker 1>school's library, her car had been disabled, and she walked

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<v Speaker 1>off with a man promising to give her help and

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<v Speaker 1>a ride home. She was slashed and stabbed during a struggle,

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<v Speaker 1>and her body was found the next morning. Police determined

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<v Speaker 1>that the distributor on her Volkswagen's engine had been disconnected,

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<v Speaker 1>which indicated her murder was premeditated. In the weeks that followed,

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<v Speaker 1>police and local newspapers received a variety of letters from

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<v Speaker 1>her alleged killer. Most were proven to be hoaxes, but

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<v Speaker 1>one so called confession letter was determined to be from

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<v Speaker 1>the actual killer because of the details it provided, including

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<v Speaker 1>that he had pulled the middle wire on the Volkswagen's distributor.

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<v Speaker 1>Police also recovered a wooden desk from the library with

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<v Speaker 1>references to Sherry Joe's murder written on it. This was

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<v Speaker 1>also determined to have been the work of the real killer.

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<v Speaker 1>Three years later, with the murder unsolved, Riverside detectives noted

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<v Speaker 1>the similarities to what was happening up in the Bay

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<v Speaker 1>area with the so called Zodiac killer. He too had

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<v Speaker 1>a pension for reaching out to newspapers and threw them

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<v Speaker 1>to the police. The Riverside detectives met privately with their

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<v Speaker 1>Bay Area counterparts to compare the cases, but the possible

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<v Speaker 1>connection between the cases was not exposed publicly until late

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy, when the San Francisco Chronicle reporter Paul Avery,

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<v Speaker 1>later to be portrayed by Robert Downey Junior in the

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<v Speaker 1>movie Zodiac, broke the story. There were several intriguing connections

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<v Speaker 1>between the cases, including the use of similar words and

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<v Speaker 1>duplicate misspellings in the letters from the Zodiac and the

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<v Speaker 1>Riverside Killer, For example, both used the word twitch in

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<v Speaker 1>their writing, both misspelling it the same way. In a

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<v Speaker 1>newspaper interview with Sherry Joe's father a year after the murder,

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<v Speaker 1>he spoke of their loneliness in his life since losing

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<v Speaker 1>her and could only refer to her killing as quote

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<v Speaker 1>this thing that happened. Two years later, but before the

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<v Speaker 1>possible connection between the cases were revealed publicly, the Zodiac

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<v Speaker 1>said in a letter to the San Francisco Chronicle, I

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<v Speaker 1>get awfully lonely when I am ignored, so lonely I

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<v Speaker 1>could do my thing. While there were many other similarities,

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<v Speaker 1>there were things that didn't quite fit the specific targeting

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<v Speaker 1>of Sherry Joe, as opposed to the seemingly randomness of

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<v Speaker 1>the Zodiac killings, the distance between Riverside and the Bay Area,

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that the Riverside confession letter was tight and

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<v Speaker 1>all the Zodiac communications were handwritten. Though in the years

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<v Speaker 1>that followed the FBI investigated the possible links between the cases,

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<v Speaker 1>the investigations were never fully and officially combined when the

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<v Speaker 1>different seemed to outweigh the similarities. The team investigating Marvin

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<v Speaker 1>Merrill believes they are now inextricably linked because the zodiaci's

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<v Speaker 1>Cherry Joe has a keyword in composing the Z thirteen cipher,

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<v Speaker 1>at least four months before the San Francisco Chronicle and

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<v Speaker 1>Paul Avery broke the story that the cases might be linked.

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<v Speaker 1>This is veteran homicide detective Rip Jackson.

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<v Speaker 6>That's a mind boggling fact that would rivet any detective

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<v Speaker 6>that was connected with an unsolved murderer. The unsolved murder

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<v Speaker 6>of Cherry Joe bates. What are the chances that that

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<v Speaker 6>kind of thing happens, That the killer or potential killer

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<v Speaker 6>includes her name and a cipher keyword when the cases

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<v Speaker 6>haven't even been seriously looked at or connected until months

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<v Speaker 6>later by an article in the San Francisco Chronicle. It's

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<v Speaker 6>off the charts that that kind of stuff just doesn't happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Missy Roberts, the former supervisor of the Los Angeles Police

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<v Speaker 1>departments Cold Case Unit, said the Cherry Joe keyword confirms

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<v Speaker 1>the connection to the Zodiac and says it offers valuable

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<v Speaker 1>insights into the killers evolving m What are.

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<v Speaker 7>The odds that those keywords would be the exact names

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<v Speaker 7>of two of the most famous unsolved gruesome murders similar murders,

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<v Speaker 7>by the way, gruesome murders in California history.

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<v Speaker 1>Cherry Joe bas was slashed and stabbed two years later,

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<v Speaker 1>the Zodiac began as murder spree using a handgun. Roberts

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<v Speaker 1>says that is not a reason to view the cases

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<v Speaker 1>as unconnected.

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<v Speaker 7>In every killer, you see that a lot the evolving

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<v Speaker 7>of an m O. Things that works, things that didn't work.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, there's a lot of risk with a murder

422
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<v Speaker 7>like Sharry Jel where you're murdering somebody in public. You know,

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<v Speaker 7>she was kind of secreted in between two buildings, but

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<v Speaker 7>it's in public, very bloody. You're you know, you're coming

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<v Speaker 7>out now into the street covered with I I would

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<v Speaker 7>imagine blood and evidence, and there's there was said to

427
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<v Speaker 7>be a huge struggle, which that is going to alert people,

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<v Speaker 7>alert law enforcement. And so these are things that would

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<v Speaker 7>have went wrong for the killer that he's going to

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<v Speaker 7>try and perfect. A serial killer is going to try

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<v Speaker 7>and perfect and get better because he doesn't want to

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<v Speaker 7>get caught. Even though he's taunting law enforcement and he's saying,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, catch me if you can. This is a

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<v Speaker 7>game to him and he wants to keep playing. And

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<v Speaker 7>so with the Zodiac, yeah, you know, he sneaks up,

436
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<v Speaker 7>very sneaky.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't even know.

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<v Speaker 7>That he's there until he's right there in the window

439
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<v Speaker 7>of the cars.

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<v Speaker 2>More planning and just he's perfecting.

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<v Speaker 7>He's perfecting his game so he can continue to do it.

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<v Speaker 7>And anytime you use a gun, I think you know,

443
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<v Speaker 7>you have less it's quicker, it's less personal.

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<v Speaker 2>You can keep a distance from your victim.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, you have more time to just get away

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<v Speaker 7>without a bunch of evidence on yourself. As we start

447
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<v Speaker 7>to fill in those gaps and things start to fall

448
00:29:19.039 --> 00:29:23.480
<v Speaker 7>into place, we see the killer evolving and getting better.

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<v Speaker 1>At his craft.

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<v Speaker 7>And there's a reason why he wasn't caught because he

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<v Speaker 7>did evolve.

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<v Speaker 1>It should be noted that Marvin Merrill initially he checks

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<v Speaker 1>some of the boxes in relation to the Base murder,

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<v Speaker 1>namely proximity. At the time of the murder, he was

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<v Speaker 1>living an hour and fifteen minutes away in Vista, California.

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<v Speaker 1>He also was operating an auto repair business at the

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<v Speaker 1>time called Buck Savers, which would have likely given him

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<v Speaker 1>the knowledge of which wire to pull in a distributor

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<v Speaker 1>to disable Sherry Joe Basse's Volkswagen. Alex Babors team is

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<v Speaker 1>continuing the investigation of Merrill's connection to the Bates murder,

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<v Speaker 1>and we will have more on that in later episodes.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's go back now to our cryptographers. Their work on

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<v Speaker 1>this project certainly gives legitimacy to Alex Baber's work and

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<v Speaker 1>claimed that Marvin Merrill born Marvin Margolis is the killer

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<v Speaker 1>of Elizabeth Short as well as the victims of the

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<v Speaker 1>Zodiac Spree. Highest Baber about this.

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<v Speaker 8>I think that this alone that validates my initial discovery

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<v Speaker 8>and findings of Marvin Merrill as being the solution to

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<v Speaker 8>the z thirteen as well as I think it it

470
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<v Speaker 8>adds another layer of credibility because it was independently discovered.

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<v Speaker 8>It wasn't it wasn't in house to me and my team.

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<v Speaker 1>Another game changing confirmation came in last week from Stockholm, Sweden,

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<v Speaker 1>where a data analyst reported a startling new insight when

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<v Speaker 1>the Zodiac's first cipher, the Z four oh eight. This

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<v Speaker 1>was the cipher broken very quickly in NI eighteen sixty

476
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<v Speaker 1>nine by its school teachers Donald and Betty Harden, except

477
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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't completely broken. The last line of the cipher,

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen characters long, was not decoded and has remained so

479
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<v Speaker 1>ever since. Over the years, it was thought to be

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<v Speaker 1>gibberish or a line of meaningless symbols used to even

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<v Speaker 1>out the three grids that comprise the cipher. The last

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<v Speaker 1>line became known informally as the Z eighteen. Last week,

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas Hefner of Stockholm reported that he applied methodology employed

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<v Speaker 1>by Baber in breaking Z thirteen to the so called

485
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<v Speaker 1>Z eighteen and was able to decrypt it. He says

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<v Speaker 1>it contains a name Marvin Merrill. Hefner has no background

487
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<v Speaker 1>in cryptography, but works for a tech investment firm in

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<v Speaker 1>Stockholm and specializes in pattern recognition and hypothesis of validation.

489
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<v Speaker 1>Attended college in Los Angeles and was familiar with both

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<v Speaker 1>the Zodiac and Black Dalia cases because of movies he

491
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<v Speaker 1>saw that were based on each case. He saw news

492
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<v Speaker 1>stories on Alex Baber's discovery and look for pattern similarities

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<v Speaker 1>between Z thirteen and Z eighteen. He noticed that if

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<v Speaker 1>he discounted the five e's contained in Z eighteen and

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<v Speaker 1>applied Baber's methodology to the remaining thirteen characters, you got

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<v Speaker 1>the same result. Hefner told me he was excited by

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<v Speaker 1>the discovery, but also a little bit spooped.

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<v Speaker 9>Work itself was about seeing the patterns and trying to

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<v Speaker 9>understand the system itself behind it, and it sort of

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<v Speaker 9>puts you in the space where you are trying to

501
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<v Speaker 9>you start thinking. You feel at least like you're thinking

502
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<v Speaker 9>like the person who created these patterns on the system,

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<v Speaker 9>and it's you realize that you're suddenly getting in the

504
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<v Speaker 9>head of the killer, the serial killer.

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<v Speaker 2>It's quite it's an airy feeling.

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<v Speaker 1>Sner's work has been confirmed by Baber. It's solid.

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<v Speaker 8>It's rock solid. I tested it first twice to make

508
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<v Speaker 8>sure it was accurate. It was. I therefore shared it with.

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<v Speaker 1>Ed Georgia and Henry are still reviewing the construction of

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<v Speaker 1>Hefner's solution to Z eighteen, but told me that their

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<v Speaker 1>initial review of it founded to be plausible. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to finish up here with Ada and Patrick. I asked

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<v Speaker 1>them to review Baber's work on the Z thirty two side,

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<v Speaker 1>for which was part of the discussion in chapter three

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<v Speaker 1>of the podcast. I asked for a no holds barred review.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Patrick Henry.

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<v Speaker 3>The Z thirty two has a similar property that you

518
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<v Speaker 3>can have lots and lots of solutions, so it's really

519
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<v Speaker 3>hard to build confidence in the correctness of any given

520
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<v Speaker 3>solution because in a sense, almost all solutions are valt

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<v Speaker 3>I think Alex has really convincing evidence outside of the

522
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<v Speaker 3>cipher where you take that large circle cross, he's got

523
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<v Speaker 3>a very heavily inked in zero and you line that

524
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<v Speaker 3>up with the map and put the center on Mount Diabler,

525
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<v Speaker 3>and you end up with the burial location of Elizabeth Short.

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<v Speaker 3>And yeah, we verified that with the map. That certainly

527
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<v Speaker 3>lines up. That all seems very plausible. The question of

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<v Speaker 3>how would you get from the given plaintext to that ciphertext, Well,

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<v Speaker 3>it doesn't have we don't have any sort of convincing

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<v Speaker 3>argument that this solution is structurally any better than any

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<v Speaker 3>other solution. The evidence that Alex points out that is

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<v Speaker 3>outside of the cipher has some weight to it.

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<v Speaker 1>We said that because the Z thirty two cipher was

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<v Speaker 1>a simple substitution code, there are no keywords that can

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<v Speaker 1>be found to confirm a solution.

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<v Speaker 3>That was the way that we kind of build confidence

537
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<v Speaker 3>on the Z thirteen solution is looking at how would

538
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<v Speaker 3>you construct this, and when we found out, okay, this

539
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<v Speaker 3>is how you constructed and you end up with these

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<v Speaker 3>keywords that the highly relevant to the case being the

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<v Speaker 3>keys that really sort of cemented it for us, but

542
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<v Speaker 3>we don't have that full Z thirty two.

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<v Speaker 1>Before signing off with the cryptographic team, I had to

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<v Speaker 1>ask at Georgio why he pitched in and build a

545
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<v Speaker 1>team to help confirm Alex babors solution to the Zodiac code.

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<v Speaker 2>We believe that you know this was a monumental discovery.

547
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<v Speaker 2>We were asked by you to verify the result. So

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<v Speaker 2>this is the normal experimental science thing that cryptanalysts do

549
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<v Speaker 2>every day. This is my passion. It's enormously fun. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not getting paid, and I have very important other work

551
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<v Speaker 2>to do that. We're Patrick and I and Rich of

552
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<v Speaker 2>finding the Bad Guys on the Internet. Now that's a

553
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<v Speaker 2>research and development program because it's a work in progress,

554
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<v Speaker 2>but I have a strong connection to the history of

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<v Speaker 2>Coote breaking a story like this. I'm sailing a little

556
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<v Speaker 2>close to the wind because we're showing cryptanalytic techniques that

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<v Speaker 2>would have been considered classified in the day they were used.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of them are still considered classified today, but we're

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<v Speaker 2>in it to solve important problems. We think this is important,

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<v Speaker 2>but we also think it's terribly exciting.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll be back with a new episode of the podcast

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<v Speaker 1>on the anniversary of Elizabeth Short's death, when the investigators

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<v Speaker 1>take it to the street in search of the place

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<v Speaker 1>where the Black Dahlia may have been murdered. I'm Michael Connelly,

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<v Speaker 1>and you've been listening to Killer in the Code solving

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<v Speaker 1>the Black Dahia and Zodiac cases. This episode was written

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<v Speaker 1>and produced by Michael Connolly. It was edited by Terall

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<v Speaker 1>Lee Langford, with sound designed by Michael Odemark and music

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<v Speaker 1>by Mark Henry Phillips. Subscribe to the podcast so you'll

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