Speaker 1: Hey, guys, I hope you put your seat bel on
Speaker 1: for this one. We sit down with former occultist Jesse Dowwick.
Speaker 1: He gives his testimony of all his supernatural experiences and
Speaker 1: his experiences coming through witchcraft, the generational curses that it
Speaker 1: had on him and his family, and we even kind
Speaker 1: of delve into some of the Phariseic spirit of the church.
Speaker 1: This is a great conversation. This was the first time
Speaker 1: I had him on the show, and I'm here to
Speaker 1: tell you, guys, it's going to be the first of many.
Speaker 1: Sit back, relaxed and enjoyed the journey. Guys.
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Speaker 1: We're here for the conversations. We're here to spread the fire.
Speaker 1: And just call me the fire starter, baby, because I
Speaker 1: got a guy lined up for you. I've been in
Speaker 1: this guy's company for a few years now, seeing him
Speaker 1: in the podcast circuit, and we've kind of circled around
Speaker 1: each other and missed each other. So we finally hooked
Speaker 1: up through a commie talk as we like to call it,
Speaker 1: and saw I reached out and inviting him to come on.
Speaker 1: But I'd like to welcome to the show for the
Speaker 1: first time, hopefully the first time of many is Jesse
Speaker 1: doubt Man, thank you for coming to hang out with
Speaker 1: me today.
Speaker 3: It's so good to be here. I am so grateful
Speaker 3: to finally make land on this I really am. And man,
Speaker 3: let me just say you're smooth. You are a smooth talker.
Speaker 3: With that intron loved that. Some real Tennessee thought, yeah.
Speaker 1: What was it, brother wareth he was born with the
Speaker 1: gift of gab, weren't you. Yeah?
Speaker 3: But man, I am seriously very thankful and grateful to
Speaker 3: be here. And I love the podcast community. I especially
Speaker 3: love your content, and man, I am excited to give
Speaker 3: some good information, good conversation. Let's jump into this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, before we get too deep into the pool,
Speaker 1: let's set the mood a little bit. As my buddy
Speaker 1: Trebles Garcia likes to say, just introduce yourself to the audience.
Speaker 1: Just got to give a little background info. Who you are,
Speaker 1: what you do, specialties, likes, what is your sign? Do
Speaker 1: you like long walks on the beach or blanket under
Speaker 1: the stars kind of guy. Just give everybody a feel
Speaker 1: for who Jesse is.
Speaker 3: All right, So I am in December Capricorn. We don't
Speaker 3: believe in that. I was a former witch. I you know,
Speaker 3: dealt a lot with the zodiacs. I dealt a lot
Speaker 3: with divination, all that stuff. Dark magic, light magic, it's
Speaker 3: all magic. Anyways, I was saved by the grace of God,
Speaker 3: became a pastor for many years, served in every type
Speaker 3: of ministry you could do. My wife's an adrenaline junkie.
Speaker 3: If we don't jump out of planes, we drive NASCAR.
Speaker 3: If we don't drive Nascar, we go scuba diving. She
Speaker 3: finds the highest mountains to climb. Anything we can get going,
Speaker 3: she does. And we are very blessed to have an
Speaker 3: adopted son. And man, that's pretty much. I don't like
Speaker 3: long walks on the beach. Actually, for me, I hate
Speaker 3: the beach. I'm a mountain guy. I am straight mountains.
Speaker 3: We're out of the hills of Pennsylvania and there's not
Speaker 3: really hills here other than just driving roads. But with
Speaker 3: that being said, yeah, man, I really just enjoy doing life.
Speaker 3: And I'm a contractor by trade. We have a full
Speaker 3: time business and I'm on TikTok. You can find me
Speaker 3: under the tag handyman preacher. So you're all welcome to
Speaker 3: join there. But yeah, that's really it about me.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, see we were talking pre row, which we
Speaker 1: talked like an hour pre row and I'm here. At
Speaker 1: one point you were like, are we recording this? This
Speaker 1: is great content, right, and I was like, that's how
Speaker 1: it works. That's how it always works.
Speaker 3: Easy talking, man, easy talking.
Speaker 1: Well, I was talking to you pre ro when I
Speaker 1: was saying that I first mumped into you through Camp
Speaker 1: Ermont podcast, which Chris and Tory they're no longer doing
Speaker 1: that show anymore, but that's how I first got introduced
Speaker 1: to you. And you kind of gave your testimony and
Speaker 1: some of your supernatural experiences and you're coming to Christ.
Speaker 1: That was a pretty wild story, man.
Speaker 3: It's a wild story. And you know, I actually had
Speaker 3: someone message man like this stuff. You know, I have
Speaker 3: nothing to gain from telling my testimony. That's what it's
Speaker 3: supposed to be. Like, I tell that so it impacts
Speaker 3: those who hear it, and you know, the guys like
Speaker 3: it sounds a little bit Hollywood. I'm like, you could
Speaker 3: call whatever you want. I don't care. It's a personal experience.
Speaker 3: I didn't address this up. This is my journey and
Speaker 3: that's really what happened. And you know, anytime I deal
Speaker 3: with the dark, the dark recognizes you. Once you dabble
Speaker 3: with it, it knows you sort of by name, sort
Speaker 3: of like your distant friends that became frenemies, right, and
Speaker 3: it always invites you back. And you know, anytime I
Speaker 3: share this, it's usually in October, it gives me goosebumps.
Speaker 3: Still every time. The thing that comes to my mind
Speaker 3: is I am taking a risk by shouting back into
Speaker 3: that darkness and telling these stories. And for me, it's
Speaker 3: actually hindering more than it is freeing. So anyone that
Speaker 3: hears anything tonight, just know that this is all personal experience.
Speaker 3: This is stuff I went through. I have family, I
Speaker 3: have friends who have been around for all these things.
Speaker 3: And you could do those backchecks any day. I would
Speaker 3: love to have those people come on and tell the
Speaker 3: same story that I've told. You know, so it's not fake.
Speaker 3: This stuff is real as me and you sitting here talking.
Speaker 3: So I think that's so interesting. Whenever we're sitting down
Speaker 3: on podcasts and we're having those conversations, shout out to
Speaker 3: Chris and Tory. They were phenomenal and I miss those guys.
Speaker 1: They were pretty pretty dope. We started. I started the
Speaker 1: Big Bible podcast just maybe a month or two before
Speaker 1: they had started Doers, and Chris had reached out to
Speaker 1: me and we were exchanging ideas and encouragement stuff with
Speaker 1: each other, and I was fortunate enough to get invited
Speaker 1: to their first conference and it was kind of like
Speaker 1: just like a going away bang. We just didn't know
Speaker 1: it at the time, but he threw a conference and
Speaker 1: then like it was at the conference he told me
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, we're thinking about hanging up the hat.
Speaker 1: And I was like, well, man, you going out with
Speaker 1: the bang?
Speaker 3: Man, Hey, that's the way to go celebrate on the
Speaker 3: way out the door. That's the game. Should have did
Speaker 3: the Irish goodbye where you just leave, you know. But yeah, no,
Speaker 3: And I come from a very big Italian family, so listen,
Speaker 3: if you're Irish, I'm sorry, I'm not your cup of tea. No,
Speaker 3: but I think I think you know, they did a
Speaker 3: great job what they were doing there, So nothing, no qualms, man,
Speaker 3: they were there were great people. And I still keep
Speaker 3: in contact with Chris.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, well man, uh, if you don't care to
Speaker 1: delve into the dark man, just kind of give us
Speaker 1: a walk through and your testimony and kind of you
Speaker 1: know what you went through. Man, if you don't care.
Speaker 3: No, not at all. So my testimony really begins. You know,
Speaker 3: I was dabbling in witchcraft at a very early age.
Speaker 3: I was just always called to the dark. I always
Speaker 3: felt wizards, I always felt wizard try and I was
Speaker 3: sort of before right out Harry Potter. I didn't care
Speaker 3: for Harry Potter. I liked dungeons and dragons. I liked
Speaker 3: all the dark stuff, the stuff everybody said you shouldn't
Speaker 3: people dabbling with wigi boards, stuff like that, and you know,
Speaker 3: it just locked me in. Later down my line, I
Speaker 3: figured out every generation sort of in my family has
Speaker 3: witches or has the darkness reaching into them. And I
Speaker 3: think that's so interesting because even now I can see
Speaker 3: things chasing after my son. And you know, we'll get
Speaker 3: to that. But my testimony is this. I didn't go
Speaker 3: to church here and there, maybe for Christmas Easter. Like
Speaker 3: I said, we came from a Catholic family. If you
Speaker 3: come from a Catholic family, you just do this stuff
Speaker 3: in ritualism. You don't do it because it's a personal relationship.
Speaker 3: You just do it because that's what you do. So
Speaker 3: we went to what church a couple times, maybe, you know,
Speaker 3: for Christmas at the midnight service, that sort of thing.
Speaker 3: So I had really no background with any of that.
Speaker 3: But what really brought me to God was a dream.
Speaker 3: And this is what I've shared before, this is my testimony.
Speaker 3: So in this dream, I was walking outside of school
Speaker 3: with one of my friends and a beautiful car came
Speaker 3: screaming down the road and I looked at the car
Speaker 3: and the dream and this dreams is really as me
Speaker 3: and you here. And so when I see in that car,
Speaker 3: I looked at it and I went to turn back
Speaker 3: my friend to say, hey, check this out. And my
Speaker 3: friend was no longer my friend. It was a dark figure,
Speaker 3: massive dark figure, and it said, before you get the God,
Speaker 3: I'll tear you, your family and your friends apart. Woke up,
Speaker 3: woke up immediately, cold, sweat that whole thing, you know,
Speaker 3: just wide awake for the next couple of days. I
Speaker 3: was like, what was he talking, Like what was this
Speaker 3: thing referring to? Because I don't I don't believe in God.
Speaker 3: It made a declaration against my life. So what it
Speaker 3: kicked me into was the studying and researching and the
Speaker 3: finding out what could really prevent this thing from coming back,
Speaker 3: because it was real, man, you know, I hear some
Speaker 3: of the like near death experiences people talking about that,
Speaker 3: and it was as real as that was. Like I
Speaker 3: was just there in a different reality. And you know,
Speaker 3: if you've ever had that dream where you're about to
Speaker 3: bite into that hamburger and you wake up and you're like,
Speaker 3: where the heck's the hamburger? That was that dream. And
Speaker 3: so it kicked me into a full tilt research. I
Speaker 3: researched Buddha, I researched Krishna, I researched Muhammad. None of
Speaker 3: them told you how to deal with this stuff. Nothing
Speaker 3: told you how to deal with it. When I got
Speaker 3: to Jesus, I've read all the stories about him commanding
Speaker 3: demons into swine, casting out sicknesses, and I'm like, this
Speaker 3: man is the only one that had any power. What's
Speaker 3: the story here? And that got me into Christianity. It
Speaker 3: locked me in. I had some happenings happen to get
Speaker 3: me into the church that I went to, and man,
Speaker 3: the blood of Jesus saved my life. That thing chased
Speaker 3: me into its enemies camp. And I heard this said
Speaker 3: I think it was from Rich on a different podcast,
Speaker 3: and he said I had a friend and he said,
Speaker 3: you know, I had a buddy in high school who
Speaker 3: went to the old gods, the Norse gods, and he
Speaker 3: said he had this vision of Jesus embracing him, but
Speaker 3: these things just put their hands on his shoulder. And
Speaker 3: for me, that's exactly what happen. Happened in this moment,
Speaker 3: is this thing chased me into the enemy's camp and
Speaker 3: it was Jesus. Jesus saved me. I had encounters with
Speaker 3: the hat man, shadow people. I've encounters with my bed
Speaker 3: being shaken, dressers, shaken, doppel gangers, you name it. In
Speaker 3: the woods. I've had encounters. I have had countless amounts
Speaker 3: of encounters. God speaks to me pretty regularly. I hear
Speaker 3: the voice and then I hear the other voices that
Speaker 3: whisper back to me. And this is what I mean.
Speaker 3: I was touched by the dark. I was practicing witchcraft.
Speaker 3: You know. I believe it led to a huge health
Speaker 3: issue with my mother at an early age. And I
Speaker 3: you know, all throughout my family's line, each of the
Speaker 3: kids of my brothers, stuff like that, have fallen into
Speaker 3: some sort of witchcraft or sorcery. And for me, when
Speaker 3: I was talking to God about my son who's adopted,
Speaker 3: he's not my blood, which is beautiful. I love this
Speaker 3: God grafted him in and I know this.
Speaker 1: That he hadiles, by the way.
Speaker 3: That's right, yes, amen. And I don't mean to just
Speaker 3: keep rambling. You tell me this stuff.
Speaker 1: Oh you keep going, man. I want to hear your story.
Speaker 1: I want them to hear your story.
Speaker 3: And this is crazy. You know. We were in the
Speaker 3: mall and we were by Spencer's or Fye when it
Speaker 3: was still open, and we walked in and I knew,
Speaker 3: I just you know, it's so surreal. When you deal
Speaker 3: with patterns and witchcraft, you recognize things that normal Christians
Speaker 3: just don't. They just don't see patterns because the whole
Speaker 3: thing in witchcraft is patterns. Anyways, with us being said,
Speaker 3: he walked into Fye and I watched him, and I
Speaker 3: seen Luigi Boards standing just right there, and I had
Speaker 3: like the scream face, ghost face, all these you know,
Speaker 3: the macob things, and I'm like, I'm just going to
Speaker 3: watch to see what I have. He walked around that
Speaker 3: whole store for about twenty minutes, didn't touch one single
Speaker 3: thing we're walking out of the store and he stops.
Speaker 3: He looks over and he grabs the Ouiji board out
Speaker 3: of nowhere, and I'm like, it's at him too. So
Speaker 3: we're walking down and we walked past Spencer's and one
Speaker 3: of the signs in the windows cuts off and collapses,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, whatever this is, it's sort of following.
Speaker 3: So you know, for me, you pick up on that
Speaker 3: type of stuff very regularly. And I remember praying to
Speaker 3: God saying, how are we going to deal with this?
Speaker 3: What am I going to do to keep my boy,
Speaker 3: who is not my blood, but he is my boy,
Speaker 3: he has my name? How am I going to keep
Speaker 3: this from reaching him and keep this out of his generation?
Speaker 3: And this is what God spoke to me in that moment.
Speaker 3: He said, We're going to let the enemy in the
Speaker 3: gate and close the gates behind him. For me, there
Speaker 3: wasn't a more powerful statement that could be made. Because
Speaker 3: we teach our kids, we teach everybody to stay away,
Speaker 3: stay away, stay away. But what God was speaking in
Speaker 3: this moment is teach them these things and teach them,
Speaker 3: you know, to stay away from it. Teach them why
Speaker 3: God is more powerful than these things. Teach them how
Speaker 3: to handle these things. Early. What you do there is
Speaker 3: you invite the enemy in and then you choke them out.
Speaker 3: And that was great advice.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: I was like, this is crazy stuff, and you know
Speaker 3: that's not a normal Christian way of thinking. We're taught
Speaker 3: to run from these things, and.
Speaker 1: That's farmer tactics, you know. I mean I grew up
Speaker 1: on a farm. I remember my papa. Every time we'd
Speaker 1: get a new animal, he would always hook it up
Speaker 1: and walk it around the borderlines of the fences, and
Speaker 1: he would take their nose and take them to each side,
Speaker 1: each corner and touch their nose that fence and pop them.
Speaker 3: Get out here.
Speaker 1: And as a kid, I was like, that's so cruel.
Speaker 3: Papa.
Speaker 1: He's like, oh, yes, you just showing them their boundaries.
Speaker 1: And what will happen if they tried to get out
Speaker 1: of those boundaries? He says to all the animals, I
Speaker 1: do this too. Never try to escape, he said. Even
Speaker 1: when I set the electric fence down to drive my
Speaker 1: truck in and out of here, he said, they will
Speaker 1: never get near the boundaries.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: So it's like, you know, even what's his name, Jordan
Speaker 1: Peterson and his book The Twelve Rules of life. You know,
Speaker 1: one of the rules I loved that kind of correlates
Speaker 1: to this was leave skateboarding children alone. So yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you might want to pad your kids up and helmets
Speaker 1: and elbow pads, knee pads, bubble wrap that way they
Speaker 1: don't get hurt because you love them. But they're never
Speaker 1: going to learn if they're not getting hurt, So you
Speaker 1: have to step back and let them fall, let them
Speaker 1: break some arms and some legs and get scraped up,
Speaker 1: because they learned to persevere, they learned to get up,
Speaker 1: they learned to avoid those type situations in the future.
Speaker 1: So yeah, in this whole spirituality thing, it's like you
Speaker 1: can love your kids to and spoil them rotten and
Speaker 1: shelter them so bad that when real life hits they
Speaker 1: don't know what to do, and the same thing goes
Speaker 1: with your spirituality.
Speaker 3: I believe one hundred percent that was beautiful. I never
Speaker 3: heard that before, never heard that. That's why this is
Speaker 3: what I love about podcasts, this is what I love,
Speaker 3: especially about dealing with new people on new platforms. I
Speaker 3: would have never known that. Why would God tell me
Speaker 3: to do that? And in my logical mind, I wanted
Speaker 3: to go let them in the gate. Yes, let him
Speaker 3: in the gate and allow him to come and allow
Speaker 3: those enemies to come in and close that gate behind them.
Speaker 3: I had no idea what that representation meant. I just
Speaker 3: figured the trojan horse. But I know it's a trojan horse.
Speaker 3: I know what it is. But the teacher boundaries, that's wild.
Speaker 3: That is a wild concept. Never in my years since
Speaker 3: that happened, have I ever thought of that or heard
Speaker 3: anyone talk about that.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's pretty crazy logic.
Speaker 3: What's that?
Speaker 1: He'll be logic, he'll belly logic.
Speaker 3: There we go. But you know what, that's pretty wild stuff. Man.
Speaker 3: I almost want to write that down because now I'm
Speaker 3: going to add that in because that's another layer. This
Speaker 3: is the beautiful point. But I think for many Christians,
Speaker 3: you know, even if you don't have a great, crazy
Speaker 3: testimony or something that's like that, you still have a
Speaker 3: testimony you can share the gospel with. And I encourage
Speaker 3: everybody listening. Know your testimony, man, and share it, share
Speaker 3: it regularly. I just happened to have a very dark one.
Speaker 3: I'm not proud of that testimony. It was something I
Speaker 3: didn't know any better. It was something that clung to
Speaker 3: my bloodline. And if you heard my genealogy, it would
Speaker 3: absolutely rattle you. I don't like sharing that because I
Speaker 3: have a lot of family members, and once they all disappear,
Speaker 3: I'll share it, but I don't want to throw anybody
Speaker 3: under those buses. But literally, the name, the maiden name
Speaker 3: is Blazing Witches. That's the name made a name of
Speaker 3: my mother's line, and so for me, you know, if
Speaker 3: you get to know them, you would see very quickly
Speaker 3: it could fit that representation. You know, big lines, so
Speaker 3: a tie in families, Cicily, that whole ord deal. We
Speaker 3: got a lot going on there.
Speaker 1: But you are now generational curses straight up. Because I
Speaker 1: remember when I heard your testing, if I remember correctly,
Speaker 1: you had to had an experience with your mother like
Speaker 1: your mother might have been. If I remember, I was
Speaker 1: dealing with, you know, dabbling this kind of stuff, and
Speaker 1: there was some kind of really scary like supernatural thing
Speaker 1: that happened in the home. Remember that correctly.
Speaker 3: So she wasn't dabbling herself. I was dabbling in all
Speaker 3: of this. I'm the one bringing this in. So the
Speaker 3: pattern that I picked up in my family is it's
Speaker 3: never and this is important in these stories. It was
Speaker 3: never the parents dabbling. It's always their children, and it
Speaker 3: affects directly the parents, and it throws everything in the chaos.
Speaker 3: And I've seen this happen in my family probably ten
Speaker 3: times now. I have a large family. And you know,
Speaker 3: as soon as I get wind that someone's playing with crystals,
Speaker 3: someone's doing tarot cards, someone's playing with weedgi boards, someone's whatever,
Speaker 3: I'm like, get that garbage out of your house now.
Speaker 3: Don't entertain demons. We don't throw pearls to swines, We
Speaker 3: don't bring in garbage to you know, a godly environment.
Speaker 3: Don't do it, don't let your kids do it, stay
Speaker 3: away from it. Do whatever you can to avoid having
Speaker 3: crystals around you. And I tell people this constantly because
Speaker 3: it creates chaos. I have endless stories of rose quartz
Speaker 3: creating chaos in people's lives, and it's usually brain injuries
Speaker 3: that happens from them. People have no idea that wear
Speaker 3: it around the wrist. Are you insane? This stuff is
Speaker 3: believed to be parts of the fallen. That's the belief
Speaker 3: of it now, and you know it's used for ritualistic basis.
Speaker 3: So yeah, with my mom, she was on her deathbed,
Speaker 3: she's seeing thirty three doctors up to that point. And
Speaker 3: you know, I'm practicing and doing all these things in
Speaker 3: the woods, and I'm like, and there's a triple thumb rule, right,
Speaker 3: So you're doing all this stuff, and when you perform
Speaker 3: stuff wrong, when you don't know what you're doing and
Speaker 3: you're not mentored, and you know that's why you know
Speaker 3: the skull of wizardry and all this stuff. You have
Speaker 3: got to be taught this properly. And I'm not encouraging
Speaker 3: anyone to learn it.
Speaker 1: I've never heard that.
Speaker 3: So the triple thumberle is if you misperform a spell,
Speaker 3: this demon, this entity, this deity, whatever you're dealing with,
Speaker 3: will come back at you threefold. And so if you're
Speaker 3: playing a game, you know this stuff isn't meant to
Speaker 3: be played with. There is cost involved. And my mom
Speaker 3: was straight up in a world of trouble. She was
Speaker 3: pretty much on her deathbed and she heard a name
Speaker 3: whispered of a local lady that was a nutritionist. So
Speaker 3: she heard that name whispered as she's laying literally on
Speaker 3: her deathbedd and she walks into that office, she makes
Speaker 3: contact with her, and she's a natural path walks into
Speaker 3: that office and the lady turns around, looks at her,
Speaker 3: and her name's Lois, and she looks at her and
Speaker 3: she says to her, God told me you were coming.
Speaker 3: And I believe it was her kidneys or liver. And
Speaker 3: you know, it's foggy a little bit because I wasn't
Speaker 3: personally there. My dad was. And she said, God told
Speaker 3: me you were on your way, and she goes, here's
Speaker 3: the problem. And within days, thirty three doctors thirty three.
Speaker 3: I keep saying that thirty three doctors going to nobody
Speaker 3: could figure out what was wrong. This lady said, we're
Speaker 3: going to pray over you and we're going to give
Speaker 3: you these supplements we're going to change, and it completely
Speaker 3: shifted her out of that. So there was that, and
Speaker 3: then my mom's been plagued by stuff pretty much her
Speaker 3: whole journey this last time. And what you may have
Speaker 3: heard was the car ride, right, Is that what it was?
Speaker 1: I can't remember. I just remember it was something like supernatural,
Speaker 1: something wild, because it stood out in my head.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And so that's the very first encounter that's me
Speaker 3: as a young teen. That's when I'm dabbling doing everything
Speaker 3: later in my life. This is only a few years ago.
Speaker 3: And there was so much revelation happened, and God told
Speaker 3: me to write this all down in a book, and
Speaker 3: I call it the Book of Whispers, and I write
Speaker 3: everything down in it. He told me, I think it
Speaker 3: was I have it all marked down. I could go
Speaker 3: back through, but I think it was in twenty twenty
Speaker 3: two or something. He was like, Hey, start writing everything
Speaker 3: I'm doing down, so if I'm spoke, if something speaks
Speaker 3: to me, because I always get spoken to about death.
Speaker 3: I always get spoken to about, Hey, this may be
Speaker 3: the last time you see this person, this is their
Speaker 3: last Christmas. That stuff's always spoken to me, and I
Speaker 3: record that now like crazy, because time and date it's spoken.
Speaker 3: So with that, we were doing a deck, really stressful job,
Speaker 3: and I'll just give you the breakdown because I can't
Speaker 3: change all the names in this story. I haven't told
Speaker 3: it in so long, right, I don't want to call
Speaker 3: out any of my aunts per se. Anyway, So we
Speaker 3: were doing a deck. I was exhausted. I was not
Speaker 3: fasting purposely. I just didn't eat. We had a client
Speaker 3: that was being really a nightmare client. And long story short,
Speaker 3: the only thing I drank that morning was a monster
Speaker 3: that was it I think I just seen you pound one,
Speaker 3: right and I.
Speaker 1: Pound sugar crash coming.
Speaker 3: That's right, you gotta get it. I can't believe that.
Speaker 3: I can't believe you could drink one this late. That's
Speaker 3: pretty wild.
Speaker 1: You up all Wow, I'm drinking for the taste now, yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, yeah, I'm a coffee drinker. But h yeah,
Speaker 3: no with all that, you know, I drank a monster.
Speaker 3: That was it. So the day ends and it's coming
Speaker 3: to a close. I had to go get a junction
Speaker 3: box cover for electrical we were doing, and I was
Speaker 3: laying on the couch and I looked at my wife.
Speaker 3: I said, man, I am not feeling well. I'm not
Speaker 3: feeling good, but I gotta go get this because we
Speaker 3: got to get this done Tomorrow. They're on us. And
Speaker 3: this is like February. This January February, my uncle just
Speaker 3: passed away, randomly, very random, in his bed. He was young,
Speaker 3: early fifties. You know, that whole thing happened, and a
Speaker 3: lot of stuff happened at his funeral, a lot of
Speaker 3: stuff involving me and my brother breaking curses at that
Speaker 3: funeral because the older siblings of the brother that passed away,
Speaker 3: my aunts and uncles were always at war. You can
Speaker 3: never have a peaceful event. It was a kind It
Speaker 3: wasn't nice. It was just like a whole bunch of
Speaker 3: hyenas packed into a pen and a piece of meat
Speaker 3: was thrown, you know what I mean. It was one
Speaker 3: of those situations where like, no matter what, it was
Speaker 3: going to go to hell in a handbag. And that's
Speaker 3: my grandma's funeral. All of them, it was always the
Speaker 3: same story. So this was no different. But God, in
Speaker 3: the midst of all that pulled you know, I wasn't speaking.
Speaker 3: I'm not good at funerals and never been, even though
Speaker 3: I'm a minister. I got too much empathy. Man, I
Speaker 3: suffer with those who are suffering. So I get choked
Speaker 3: up real easy. And I know I look manly, but
Speaker 3: I'm not that manly. I cried to yeah, no, right,
Speaker 3: And so anyways, I was pulled up and I got
Speaker 3: to do a bit of a eulogy and a remembrance
Speaker 3: and sort of landed the plane on that funeral. And
Speaker 3: that was a curse broken. The one hand tried to
Speaker 3: start a lot of stuff. Those curses were broken. And anyway,
Speaker 3: so night comes, I'm driving the home depot I'm getting
Speaker 3: this box, and I'm just driving, drive and drive, and
Speaker 3: I come up to the section that I never take,
Speaker 3: and I take it and I realized later that there's
Speaker 3: three crossroads on this drive. I had no idea. So
Speaker 3: as I'm driving, I hear the leather seat beside me,
Speaker 3: because we had the leather vehicle was I think at
Speaker 3: Denali at the time. And you hear the crunch of
Speaker 3: something settle in, right, You hear that leather just like
Speaker 3: that seat settle in, and you know that's a very
Speaker 3: familiar sound, right, And I was like, you could fill
Speaker 3: the presence and car change got real cold, right, got
Speaker 3: sort of very People are like, does that really happen?
Speaker 3: Or is that just TV? No, that really happens.
Speaker 1: Oh, I've experienced that.
Speaker 3: It's a very unique. And the way I always tell
Speaker 3: Christians that never experienced anything supernatural is this. If you're
Speaker 3: in church and you're worshiping God, does the hemisphere stay
Speaker 3: the same as when you walk through those doors? Or
Speaker 3: does something shift? There's something that shifts, right, and someone
Speaker 3: gives a word of knowledge, or someone speaks in tongues.
Speaker 3: If you believe that sort of thing, something in the
Speaker 3: atmosphere shifts and that's what happened in the car. And
Speaker 3: in witchcraft, if you read the Lesser Keys of Solomon,
Speaker 3: if you read the Grimoires, they tell you what to
Speaker 3: look for. There may be this type of smell, there
Speaker 3: may be this if you encounter this being, and when
Speaker 3: he shows up, this will be you know, these sort
Speaker 3: of things. So I felt that coolness come into the car.
Speaker 3: I heard the leather crunch, and I specifically said to this,
Speaker 3: I don't rebuke it. In Jesus's name, I've done this
Speaker 3: one hundred times. So I've done this a thousand times
Speaker 3: with this thing because it's been on our family for
Speaker 3: so long. And I said, I don't know who you are.
Speaker 3: I don't know what you're doing. I said, but what
Speaker 3: I want you to do. And Jesus' name is return
Speaker 3: to the sender, and when you get there, you let
Speaker 3: me know. Is this the story you remember? I think,
Speaker 3: so this is the story. So the one aunt who
Speaker 3: has been really, really a hindrance to a lot of
Speaker 3: the family, a lot of mental issues, a lot of witchcraft,
Speaker 3: a lot of different things. She was talking to my
Speaker 3: one aunt that the husband just passed away. And you know,
Speaker 3: I have this all recorded. I could give you the
Speaker 3: time stamps. It was like fifteen minutes after I did that.
Speaker 3: The one aunt who's the witch, and we'll call her
Speaker 3: the witch, she calls the widow and she's talking to
Speaker 3: her and she, you know, asked her. She said, hey,
Speaker 3: did your mom die, meaning my mom? And the widow said, no,
Speaker 3: she's fine. So my one nephew is on a video game.
Speaker 3: He's got the headphones on and he goes. I don't
Speaker 3: know what happened, but I could hear the conversation and
Speaker 3: the widow's talking to my mom and she said, Hey,
Speaker 3: the witch asked if you died. And when I look
Speaker 3: back at those timestamps, I went back through because the
Speaker 3: next day my brother, my brother said, hey, mom completely
Speaker 3: recovered and she was suffering with depression and all this
Speaker 3: stuff for two or three years, two or three years.
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Speaker 3: Was going through this whole thing and nothing was helping,
Speaker 3: Nothing was helping, And he goes, you want to believe
Speaker 3: a mom leveled out. And this was the day after
Speaker 3: this encounter happened. And I told it to return to
Speaker 3: the cener and let me know when it returns there.
Speaker 3: And you know, all of it's broken, the generational curses
Speaker 3: it has on us, the ties it's up, and you know,
Speaker 3: whatever contracts it had, they're no longer valid. So that
Speaker 3: conversation happened, so that all happened within like fifteen minutes
Speaker 3: of each other, that it returned to the sender. The
Speaker 3: witch got it. She was talking to the widow. They
Speaker 3: had that conversation. Then she called my mom. The widow
Speaker 3: called my mom and said, hey, the witch asked this.
Speaker 3: In this moment, it was a spirit of death, and
Speaker 3: it did return to the witch because she got a
Speaker 3: strange feeling that my mom was dead. And you know,
Speaker 3: for me, that was validation. In those exact moments in succession,
Speaker 3: in timestamps like fifteen minutes apart that that happened, my
Speaker 3: mom completely normalized. Everything changed from that point forward. That
Speaker 3: generational curse that plagued my family, my mom, whatever this
Speaker 3: thing was, was broken, and my boy is a part
Speaker 3: of that. I fully believe that I wasn't able to
Speaker 3: have kids for years and I still am not. I
Speaker 3: cannot actually have kids. My blood cannot produce kids for
Speaker 3: whatever reason. And I try, I really try, but I
Speaker 3: cannot have children. But so with that, you know, when
Speaker 3: we got our boy, you know, I felt so strongly,
Speaker 3: even with his name, we did not name him and
Speaker 3: his middle name that we did not give him fits
Speaker 3: the story of our lives so beautifully, and it's Gabriel,
Speaker 3: and I mean, my whole life has been We talked
Speaker 3: about this before the Christmas story, and that all led
Speaker 3: to these moments of me understanding that there is a
Speaker 3: generational bloodline curse on my family and it's about to
Speaker 3: be broken. I could tell you story after story of
Speaker 3: whatever is guarding that kid, my boy encountering darkness and
Speaker 3: you can feel it to the point of where like
Speaker 3: me and my wife would get in the car and
Speaker 3: not say a word why this stuff was going on,
Speaker 3: and she goes, did you experience anything? I'd be like, yep,
Speaker 3: and we would have literally word for word the same
Speaker 3: experience of what we've seen spiritually happening. And you know,
Speaker 3: it was between like my mom and him when he
Speaker 3: was younger, and it felt like two cats hissing at
Speaker 3: each other where he wouldn't go over to her, but
Speaker 3: you could feel and see that in the spiritual and
Speaker 3: whatever was protecting and guarding him was looking at what
Speaker 3: was over her at those moments and saying, how about
Speaker 3: you just stay on your side and I'll stay on
Speaker 3: my side. And you could see that, and she word
Speaker 3: for word repeated that stuff. So this is a little
Speaker 3: bit of my life, just a tabbit, man. But God
Speaker 3: has been so good. There is no power in the
Speaker 3: darkness that Jesus has not conquered. The blood of Christ
Speaker 3: covers it all. And that's the beautiful part, the power
Speaker 3: and potency of people with generational curses, especially near Halloween,
Speaker 3: you can break these things now more than ever. The
Speaker 3: witching month is not the witching month. This is a
Speaker 3: month that belongs to living king and that's Jesus right,
Speaker 3: And so no matter what the witches do, no matter
Speaker 3: how many child sacrifices happen in the next two weeks,
Speaker 3: doesn't matter. The King is still the king. All those
Speaker 3: things are his servants. So anyways, that's my little plug.
Speaker 3: So I hope that gave you and made sense, because
Speaker 3: there's so much the unpackage here. I try to talk slow,
Speaker 3: but I usually ramble, so I try to get ready
Speaker 3: to the points.
Speaker 1: Man. Now, one thing is that to me, was you
Speaker 1: said that there was hostility. You know, you had mentioned
Speaker 1: you know, hyenas and throwing in a pack of meat
Speaker 1: between a bunch of hyaenas. So do you think that
Speaker 1: that spirit of dread and depression and death was sent
Speaker 1: to your mother from your aunt er think that this
Speaker 1: was the spirit that was attached to her that just
Speaker 1: kind of bled onto your mother. Because when you said that,
Speaker 1: I was like, well, did she put that on her?
Speaker 1: Like was there a family feud? And she kind of
Speaker 1: xt your mother?
Speaker 3: So listen there in my family, you know, I got
Speaker 3: to block everybody listening to this. In my family, there's
Speaker 3: been a lot of feuds. I mean they're uncountable because
Speaker 3: each brother, each sister has issues with one another at
Speaker 3: one point in time. And you know, we had really
Speaker 3: really good uncles and really really good aunts and they're
Speaker 3: still good. But there were feuds for different reasons throughout
Speaker 3: that bloodline. Very dirty, very gritty. There's generational curses. You know,
Speaker 3: if you go back and I'm not trying to air
Speaker 3: out any dirty laundry, but if there's alcoholism, if there's abuse,
Speaker 3: there's generational curses there, and they passed down very regularly.
Speaker 3: You know, they have had this sort of thing. You
Speaker 3: can see my buddy back here. But yet, you know,
Speaker 3: for all that stuff, it's so hard to say if
Speaker 3: it was a hex, I won't even deal with that
Speaker 3: aunt anymore. That's just me. That's a personal decision. Bloodlines
Speaker 3: are very finicky, right, you know, the blood of Jesus
Speaker 3: you can forgive people, but you were not supposed to
Speaker 3: live in toxicity. You got to cut stuff free. And
Speaker 3: you know a lot of therapists want to come back
Speaker 3: around and say no, no, no, you should still deal
Speaker 3: with no. Absolutely not. Sometimes you've got to cut away
Speaker 3: the dead, and that's just what it. Let the dead,
Speaker 3: bury the dead and move yourself on. Share the gospel
Speaker 3: where you can and listen. You don't have to contact
Speaker 3: me for the gospel. You can reach anybody. There are
Speaker 3: three million Christians you could reach out to for prayer
Speaker 3: and different things. The toxicity that some people bring doesn't
Speaker 3: always fit right with your spirit, and that's okay. There's
Speaker 3: some people I've had to let go of churches, right
Speaker 3: like you don't belong here. So for me, the pack
Speaker 3: of hyenas, I think there was always a darkness over
Speaker 3: the family, but I think it was very selective. And
Speaker 3: this is what I've learned in my own experience. Like
Speaker 3: my two older brothers, they didn't dabble on a witchcraft,
Speaker 3: but I sure did you know why to choose me. Well,
Speaker 3: when I look at me, I'm very spiritual on that stuff.
Speaker 3: And I'm not saying I'm better than anybody, but I
Speaker 3: was very sort of open to it all. And you know,
Speaker 3: number three is very unique in the line, and the
Speaker 3: only childs in the family were chosen, you know, with witchcraft.
Speaker 3: So this stuff has like a taste for you. And
Speaker 3: it's so hard to say if it goes one way
Speaker 3: or another. I don't. Every time I meet with one
Speaker 3: of my uncles or aunts, I find something new wild,
Speaker 3: so it's always something more in depth. You know, my
Speaker 3: older uncle or my younger uncle that passed away, he
Speaker 3: had an experience with aliens over in a field where
Speaker 3: there's a very specific amount of trees, and then the
Speaker 3: black suits showed up him and his buddy when they
Speaker 3: were grown up, and the whole neighborhood knows about it.
Speaker 3: I've heard the story the same exact way twenty different people,
Speaker 3: twenty different times. So like you know, I do backchecks
Speaker 3: and cross checks as much as I can, and I
Speaker 3: you know, people don't forget that type of stuff, So
Speaker 3: the occult usually signals and I believe a lot of
Speaker 3: the aliens and all that I believe a lot of
Speaker 3: that's fallen nature and demonic. I don't think, you know,
Speaker 3: it's just magical creatures coming from a far away land
Speaker 3: that has good indication. I just don't that's my opinion.
Speaker 3: But you know, with all that, it's hard to say.
Speaker 3: I think anyone that was willing to open up a
Speaker 3: gateway brought in a lot of demonic activity. And you know,
Speaker 3: maybe the witch was the one who brought that on enough,
Speaker 3: and her dislikes were sort of the appetite of that
Speaker 3: demonic entity that gave it energy the create havoc. And
Speaker 3: you know, I was the minister in the family. There's
Speaker 3: no other minister in my family, and I currently don't
Speaker 3: hold a position in a brick and mortar. I do
Speaker 3: everything online. So I hope that did that answer that question.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, will I tried.
Speaker 3: I tried to go into depth there. You know, this
Speaker 3: stuff is so finicky. It's it's very fickle, is a
Speaker 3: good way to put it, because it's like you're trying
Speaker 3: to play pinitel on a donkey with an invisible being.
Speaker 3: How do you do that?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: And you just chase patterns. Literally, that's all I do
Speaker 3: is chase patterns. So you know, when I'm able to
Speaker 3: locate and something catches me off guard, I'm like, what's
Speaker 3: that mean? And usually God reveals that stuff, so I'm
Speaker 3: able to pray fast through those things.
Speaker 1: And that's how it works in the spirit realm. You know,
Speaker 1: a lot of people look for God in these big miracles,
Speaker 1: these big things. You know, it's usually the little minute things.
Speaker 1: It's like God is in the background, you know, just
Speaker 1: pushing things, you know, just gently. And I love that
Speaker 1: story of Elijah, you know, when he called down the
Speaker 1: fire and all the Jezabel wanted him killed, and he
Speaker 1: took off, you know, and went to that cave. And
Speaker 1: I remember that story. He said that he was praying,
Speaker 1: calling out to God, and he wasn't answering, but then
Speaker 1: suddenly a large earthquake happened and he run out. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, God, are you there? And he was not there.
Speaker 1: And then there was this loud cracking of thunder and
Speaker 1: this storm. He runs out, you know, God, are you there?
Speaker 1: And He's not there, And all these big things kept happening,
Speaker 1: and he kept running out thinking it was God, thinking
Speaker 1: it was God, and then he give up and just
Speaker 1: kind of sits down, it says, but then suddenly, in
Speaker 1: a whispering wind, he heard the voice of God. So
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, God's the U, the real big
Speaker 1: strong guy in the gym, the big strong guy. I
Speaker 1: don't have to go around strutting like a Banny rooster
Speaker 1: and hooping and hollering telling you how strong he is.
Speaker 1: He walks with confidence and goes and does his thing
Speaker 1: and gets out. He's tried to beg for your attention.
Speaker 1: So I think God's the same way.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: He does all these little things that's for the people
Speaker 1: with eyes to see and ears to hear. You see
Speaker 1: the little minute details, and just know that that is
Speaker 1: God sitting the chestboard.
Speaker 3: Listen, man, this is wild. This is just a wild conversation,
Speaker 3: every one of them. You're freaking me out a little bit.
Speaker 3: I've been seeing triples and numbers, and I've been seeing
Speaker 3: one one, one, two, two, two, four, four four in
Speaker 3: like succession, and I'm like, you know, anytime I see triples,
Speaker 3: I just think, okay, it's the Trinity. Because I don't
Speaker 3: go into angel numbers. I don't dive really deep into
Speaker 3: that because that gets a little freaky for me as
Speaker 3: far you know, and there's a lot of proof, but
Speaker 3: I believe God could speak through the small stillness. I
Speaker 3: was walking and I posted this on TikTok not too
Speaker 3: long ago. I was walking through the woods and you know,
Speaker 3: just taking a moment. Actually it was riding up an
Speaker 3: alpine coaster down in Tennessee, and as I'm riding up there,
Speaker 3: you hear the whispers, right, you just relax. And I've
Speaker 3: always encountered God in the woods, and I've talked about
Speaker 3: this on different podcasts. Whenever I was doing Witchcraft. You know,
Speaker 3: one of the mentors, he was like, whatever you do,
Speaker 3: you don't listen to the trees. And at the time
Speaker 3: I really didn't understand that. He's like, they whisper, and
Speaker 3: I'm like, what I don't This is freaking weird, you know,
Speaker 3: But now I'm understanding what that means. I believe everything
Speaker 3: has a connection to the Creator and if you're willing,
Speaker 3: if you're open, everything will have something for you. It
Speaker 3: reminds me of the Burning Bush with Moses. People are like, oh,
Speaker 3: this is weird, this is strange. The burning bush was
Speaker 3: literally God using bush to speak man. And for me,
Speaker 3: it's the small, minute things that's what makes it interpersonal
Speaker 3: and very like relationship based God. This doesn't happen with
Speaker 3: other of the lesser gods, right, This only happens with
Speaker 3: our God, Mohammad, and his God does not speak to
Speaker 3: people this way. Buddha, the Buddha just sits there as
Speaker 3: a statue and you're supposed to ascend. God reaches out
Speaker 3: to us, and to me, that's wild, It's just crazy, man.
Speaker 3: And so those encounters are always unique. I love that
Speaker 3: so much. You ever watched the guy on YouTube He
Speaker 3: dresses up as a janitor and then he grabs dumbbells
Speaker 3: at these massive guys and he just.
Speaker 1: Pays those mops that weigh like, you know, two hundred
Speaker 1: pounds and hands it off with one hand.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and these guys what bam to me? That's the
Speaker 3: God idea, Right, You're entertaining angels the whole time. God's
Speaker 3: been here forever, He'll be here until the end, and
Speaker 3: he's the beginning in the end. So the reality is
Speaker 3: we're frivolous. We're just racing around, nevertheless, not enjoying what
Speaker 3: we have always stressed, fell into a system of indoctrinations,
Speaker 3: and we're fighting against each other. And God's going I'm
Speaker 3: the janitor. You need to pick us weight up, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, He doesn't have to flat like
Speaker 3: you said. That's what they reminded me of. I love that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like he said too. You know when the Pharisees
Speaker 1: was demanding him and his disciples to stop preaching, rememberbody said,
Speaker 1: he said, even if we were to silence the rocks themselves,
Speaker 1: the rocks cry out.
Speaker 3: So everything has frequency base, everything has the voice, the
Speaker 3: breath of God. I love it. This is good stuff.
Speaker 3: And I haven't talked about this in a minute. Everything
Speaker 3: has frequency. And that was coming into Jerusalem on the donkey.
Speaker 3: They were telling them to knock it off, knock it off.
Speaker 3: He said, even if we shut up, the rocks would
Speaker 3: cry out. And that's beautiful. They hear that. Canaan Abel,
Speaker 3: the blood cried out to God.
Speaker 1: Yes, I talked about the book. Yeah, absolutely, the frequency
Speaker 1: of his blood was crying out. You know, even the
Speaker 1: martyrs under the altar and revelation, the blood, the blood
Speaker 1: science is calling out. You know when would you evangel Us?
Speaker 3: Yes, and he says, don't worry, vengeance is mine. And
Speaker 3: that's wild stuff, man, because I don't think people understand
Speaker 3: the radical understanding of what that truly means. I just
Speaker 3: want to ride back and defeat the Antichrist. I think
Speaker 3: it would be beautiful right, riding out on the horses
Speaker 3: with Jesus, like for all the generations of turmoil and
Speaker 3: pain and on arm againin But anyways, the frequency base
Speaker 3: such a big thing. I tell people all the time,
Speaker 3: be careful what music you listen to. You know we're
Speaker 3: coming into Halloween. You got to be really careful this
Speaker 3: time of year because everything there's a reason Halloween's on
Speaker 3: the day it is. It's thin veld. We know this,
Speaker 3: and it's very thin.
Speaker 1: For all.
Speaker 3: I've been having terrible sleeps. How you been sleeping?
Speaker 1: I always sleep like a rock.
Speaker 3: Really good for you. I like you.
Speaker 1: I'm that forty year old man, but I'm in the
Speaker 1: sixty year old body. I'm usually in bed every night
Speaker 1: by ten o'clock, and I'm up at five am, no
Speaker 1: matter what if i'm working or not, five am, I'm up.
Speaker 3: You're you're that guy that was my program four am
Speaker 3: four thirty man. Yeah you probably, but yeah, no joke.
Speaker 3: He was always I'm bed at nine o'clock and then
Speaker 3: he was up at four thirty four am every day he'd.
Speaker 1: Make my ex wife so mad. She'd tell me many times,
Speaker 1: She's like, I love you, but when you come to bed,
Speaker 1: I just want to punch you in the face. I'm like, right, oh,
Speaker 1: She's like, she said, it takes me two three hours,
Speaker 1: she said, to get to sleep, and my mind's racing.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to unline and go to sleep, and my
Speaker 1: body's so tired and I just can't. She said, you're
Speaker 1: you mosey in here. You lay your head on the pill.
Speaker 1: You kissed me good night, she said, and within three minutes,
Speaker 1: you're snoring. She's keeping me away right right.
Speaker 3: My wife's the same. She's like, my mind's always pacing,
Speaker 3: can't fall asleep. So what I try to do is
Speaker 3: give her time up before me and I, you know,
Speaker 3: have just basic downtime before we go to bed man,
Speaker 3: because I get it. Women's minds are constantly running, and like,
Speaker 3: I wouldn't want that. I can shove mine off in
Speaker 3: a second. Even when people are talking to me, I'm.
Speaker 1: Like, do you have a nothing box?
Speaker 3: I have a nothing box. I'm content in that nothing box.
Speaker 3: I sit there and just there, and you know, I'll
Speaker 3: get some of these hey you there, I like not yet.
Speaker 3: I'm in my nothing box exactly.
Speaker 1: I use that all the time. And Rebecca thought that
Speaker 1: was just so funny. Yeah, what's cool is you know,
Speaker 1: we're divorced now, but we are still really close. We're
Speaker 1: really good friends. We talked on the phone at least
Speaker 1: once a week and do stuff with the kids together,
Speaker 1: you know, so we still get along great cordial. She
Speaker 1: used to could say, uh uh. She'd get up in
Speaker 1: the mornings and I'd be sitting there getting ready for work.
Speaker 1: She'd get up to make me a sandwich or something
Speaker 1: for work. I would just be like staring at the wall,
Speaker 1: you know, And she's like, you do this every morning.
Speaker 1: Why don't you just sleep in an extra hour instead
Speaker 1: of just sitting there? You know. I'm like, I'm in
Speaker 1: my nothing box. She's like, step Like, it's my nothing box.
Speaker 1: There's not a thought in my head. I just have
Speaker 1: to start the while for an hour and sip on
Speaker 1: my coffee and then I'm good, she said. And I've
Speaker 1: learned she's that that hour of the nothing box, no
Speaker 1: serious talk, no plans are to be made, that you
Speaker 1: need that hour of silence. I said, yes, I do.
Speaker 3: Ye, you have no idea and you know, women don't
Speaker 3: have boxes, right, that's a men thing. A lot of
Speaker 3: people don't. I think that's from what most men are from, Mars.
Speaker 3: Women are from.
Speaker 1: Whatever, Venus or something like that.
Speaker 3: When I was gonna say Jupiter, but that didn't sound right. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think it is Venus. And that's the whole concept
Speaker 3: that women have spag right, they have spaghetti brain, so
Speaker 3: everything links to another thought. That's just how their neuropathways work.
Speaker 3: Where men have like boxes. We are boxes. We open
Speaker 3: this box, we think, we play out of this one.
Speaker 3: We put it away. Then we get the next box,
Speaker 3: which is coffee and breakfast. We open that box. There's
Speaker 3: nothing else in that box. We put it away, and
Speaker 3: then we move on to the next item, to the
Speaker 3: next item. Women can't do that, though, And you know,
Speaker 3: if you have women and the listeners, I'm sure they
Speaker 3: can all attest that, all manly listeners. You never know.
Speaker 3: But no, yeah, I don't get it.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 3: I just lay shut my eyes and I'm out. That's
Speaker 3: because I don't war with people like women, do know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we put it in a nothing box and store
Speaker 1: it away for we'll deal with it the next day
Speaker 1: when we wake up. We'll unpack it the next day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, but it'll be there, don't worry. And if
Speaker 3: it's not, then I'm off in the better places. Goodbye.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it pays that the memory of a mouse sometimes.
Speaker 3: Right amen to that high cortisol. I'll take it all
Speaker 3: day long. Yeah, you know, but yeah, I mean as
Speaker 3: far as all that goes. You know, a clear conscience
Speaker 3: is another sign that you have no curses on you.
Speaker 3: And that's usually a good sign that you can just
Speaker 3: shut your eyes and go to bed. But every once
Speaker 3: in a while, I be laying in the dark, and
Speaker 3: you know, we shut out. I don't have TVs. I
Speaker 3: don't have mayors in my room. Do not have mayors
Speaker 3: or TVs in your room? I just don't. And they're
Speaker 3: black mirrors.
Speaker 1: Because TVs they called the black mirror anyway, the black marrors.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, your phone's exactly that. I mean, you're not
Speaker 3: going to get much closer to a true manifestation of
Speaker 3: witchcraft in your phone or the television. I mean, it's
Speaker 3: literally in the name. Everything's based around witchcraft on this
Speaker 3: this sort of language. So but yeah, the marrors in
Speaker 3: the understanding of what can come through and who's in there,
Speaker 3: and you know, there's an old ritual it was called
Speaker 3: the Twelve Kings. I was never really brave enough to
Speaker 3: do it. But you would stand all these marriage twelve
Speaker 3: mares around you, separate in the middle, and then you
Speaker 3: would just gaze and there was incantations that you would say,
Speaker 3: and you would wait for things to appear to you,
Speaker 3: and that you could request questions whatever it would be.
Speaker 3: And you know, that was one of the rituals that
Speaker 3: used mayors because when you do that, have you ever
Speaker 3: done a side by side mayor? It's wild, like peer
Speaker 3: through what it looks like? Now do that all around you?
Speaker 3: You ever go to marror mais a millia?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's sort of the same effect.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like you're looking around, you just see thousands
Speaker 3: of you know, and this sort of that's a realm opening.
Speaker 3: It's sort of a gateway. They used to do it
Speaker 3: a lot with water, and water was one of those things.
Speaker 3: You put mercury or different things in it than do
Speaker 3: incantations over crystal ball, same sort of divination. That's more
Speaker 3: divination stuff. But yeah, so laying there, every once in
Speaker 3: a while, I'll get that sense of a whisper of
Speaker 3: you know, not the voice of God and it's reaching
Speaker 3: back out, checking in, and I've had things try to
Speaker 3: cut deals with me laying in bed. You know, it's
Speaker 3: really weird stuff. You'll be laying there be like, hey,
Speaker 3: you know, do you want to be famous? And you
Speaker 3: just random I'm not thinking about We have a nothing box.
Speaker 3: That's where I'm at when I'm going to bed, and
Speaker 3: you just hear a question like I come out of nowhere.
Speaker 3: And people don't know how to filter their thoughts. You
Speaker 3: have an inner dialogue. Almost everybody on this planet has
Speaker 3: an inner dialogue, right, and you know, you've got to
Speaker 3: start recognizing voices that come into that nalgan of yours,
Speaker 3: and a lot of people can't do that. You don't
Speaker 3: even know what the voice of God sounds like because
Speaker 3: you're not even paying mine to it. And so like,
Speaker 3: I think it was Harry Potter. I was walking past
Speaker 3: the room the one day and it stop me cool
Speaker 3: to my tracks because on the TV I heard what
Speaker 3: I would generally hear, uh, you know, the whispering, and
Speaker 3: I think it's Harry Potter. You hear that type of crap,
Speaker 3: And I was like, holy cow, was that. In the
Speaker 3: next day, I realized it was on the TV. You know,
Speaker 3: it was just some random thing that happened. I was like,
Speaker 3: that's the voice that I usually hear in my head,
Speaker 3: and it was unwarranted, and I you know, I think
Speaker 3: is a Voldemart or something.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't even know what that stuff because.
Speaker 1: I hear those whispers and that latining scar.
Speaker 3: Head and there you go, maybe that's what it is.
Speaker 3: I have no idea. It's funny that there's a lightning
Speaker 3: bolt on his head and that's straight satanic for fallen
Speaker 3: or satan. Yep, there you go, it's all satanic stuff.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I don't know. Walt Disney, that
Speaker 3: whole realm. I always used to do a thing in
Speaker 3: October and the church is to try the show parents
Speaker 3: how demonic. Walt Disney, he was the man that brought
Speaker 3: witchcraft into your home. You know, we're going through all
Speaker 3: different rabbit trails here tonight, folks.
Speaker 1: We love it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love this stuff. And this is so easy
Speaker 3: for me to talk about. But that man, being a
Speaker 3: Mason thirty three degree, you can go look all that
Speaker 3: fun stuff up. He brought witchcraft right in on some
Speaker 3: of the first items Fantasia. I think it is. It's
Speaker 3: all wizard tree and that was his goal was to
Speaker 3: get witchcraft into your television, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Hollywood, you know the druids there. You know there's
Speaker 1: staffs and magic wands out of the holly tree and.
Speaker 3: Holly tree, the holly and the ivy which we sing
Speaker 3: when every December it's all silver and gold. I mean
Speaker 3: it goes on and on, and I always.
Speaker 1: They even dress Mickey Mouse is like a wizard for
Speaker 1: a long time on their intros of their movies he
Speaker 1: had that red wizard gown and the blue top hat
Speaker 1: and the wand spelling Disney airt.
Speaker 3: And you know what's always unique to me and nobody
Speaker 3: pinpoints is nobody pays. But what do you get when
Speaker 3: you're really famous in Hollywood? You get a what a star?
Speaker 3: They're known as fallen stars, right, That's what the fallen
Speaker 3: were known as. You get stars on.
Speaker 1: The stars going around her.
Speaker 3: Mom, right, And you could do the count on it.
Speaker 3: But even Mickey his wand has one on top a star.
Speaker 3: It's all Nephelum based and uh, you know, Babylonian based
Speaker 3: if you want to go that route. And we could
Speaker 3: go so deep into Christmas and Nimrod and you know
Speaker 3: his mother and you you wrote all about that, I'm
Speaker 3: sure in that book because you talk about Esaul. Right, yeah,
Speaker 3: he's in the Battle of Nimrod, and you know he
Speaker 3: got all of his magic garments and arguably was a
Speaker 3: big foot, right and he had right red hair. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 3: So I haven't read the book. I'm not a huge reader,
Speaker 3: but I need to. I need to.
Speaker 1: But I audiobooks supposed to be out any day.
Speaker 3: Now, are you reading it?
Speaker 1: Yes, sir?
Speaker 3: All right? I like it? All right.
Speaker 1: I had some of my listeners say I could listen
Speaker 1: to you read a phone book, like that's right, you can.
Speaker 1: Now you're without excuse if you haven't read the book.
Speaker 1: You can't read, or you don't have time to read,
Speaker 1: you're without an excuse.
Speaker 3: Now that's right. And you know what. I love audiobooks.
Speaker 3: I always tell people this, and I would tell parishioners
Speaker 3: that the churches faith comes by what hearing. Right, So
Speaker 3: read out loud. You got to read your stuff. Don't
Speaker 3: read it just in your head. Read out loud. You know.
Speaker 3: Anytime I have the inner thoughts, I always try to
Speaker 3: pronounce my words out, you know, over people. And if
Speaker 3: we pray or when we pray, I always try to
Speaker 3: be very proclamation spoken. So anything that I speak over somebody,
Speaker 3: I try to speak with purpose. And there's intention you
Speaker 3: have to lock into when you pray. Most Christians don't
Speaker 3: know this, which is do this. Whiches do this all
Speaker 3: the time. That's how they manifest They use manifestation, they
Speaker 3: use incantations and incantations and these different things. It's repetition.
Speaker 3: Everything's repetition, like the Rosary. Just on the opposite end,
Speaker 3: you pray this prayer over and over and over and over.
Speaker 3: Because you're sub conscious is really what you're tapping into.
Speaker 3: It becomes a whole different You work up the beads,
Speaker 3: the Rosary whatever it is, and U you know, Mother
Speaker 3: Mary all that stuff which whatever. But for me, yeah
Speaker 3: yeah right yeah, Queen of having interesting stuff. But yeah,
Speaker 3: whenever you go into like Santa Maria and these different beliefs,
Speaker 3: you understand syncopation becomes a huge, huge thing. And I
Speaker 3: hear people do this with songs where they repeat it
Speaker 3: one song all day every day. When you're doing that,
Speaker 3: if that song has a negative indication or you know,
Speaker 3: a negative what indication anyways, a negative overtone you know,
Speaker 3: I'm trying to let the bodies hit the floor, and
Speaker 3: you sing that literally all day. You are tuning yourself
Speaker 3: into something. You got to be really careful. So anytime
Speaker 3: I'm hearing songs, I'm like, if it catches me, I'm like,
Speaker 3: is this a good song to sing? Because you're speaking
Speaker 3: curses over yourself. Christians got to wake up for all
Speaker 3: that stuff. So I'm exposing a little bit of witchery
Speaker 3: that happens. Even in the church. You find really repetitive emotionalism.
Speaker 3: You know, God doesn't need us. We need God. So
Speaker 3: God doesn't need us to prepare an altar for him
Speaker 3: to show up. He is amongst us, and we're supposed
Speaker 3: to be within that every day, not just Sunday or
Speaker 3: Wednesday or Thursday of worship practice. Every day we are
Speaker 3: supposed to be there are God's way bigger than the
Speaker 3: lower case.
Speaker 1: God's right, God just one day a week? Is he?
Speaker 3: That's right? And you know, do you go to church regularly?
Speaker 1: Honestly no. Once I got divorced and I moved away,
Speaker 1: because I moved away, like almost an hour and a
Speaker 1: half away from whereas that kind of kind of uprooted me.
Speaker 1: I had to start over. So like these past few years,
Speaker 1: I've not I've not found a church. But it's honestly,
Speaker 1: if I'm being dead honest with you, I love the
Speaker 1: I love the people, and uh, but that was about
Speaker 1: all I really got out of church, you know. I
Speaker 1: mean because I had my personal relationship, you know, with God,
Speaker 1: and I love to deep dive, you know, the research
Speaker 1: and find all this kind of stuff in the Bible.
Speaker 1: And so I was already you know, feeding myself, you know,
Speaker 1: intellectually there. And I was already you know, getting spiritually
Speaker 1: fed anyway. So church, to me, honestly, it got to
Speaker 1: the point where it was a ritual. I went just
Speaker 1: to go to check it off the list. Say, I went,
Speaker 1: and I was a good little boy, you know, and
Speaker 1: to see the sea, my friends and people that I
Speaker 1: had developed relationships with. So I guess that's maybe why
Speaker 1: I haven't seeked it out since moving away, is because
Speaker 1: to me, it was more or less a ritual and
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Speaker 3: And you know the wild part is, I went to seminary,
Speaker 3: worked all taught the same. We're indoctrinated the same. Here's
Speaker 3: what you teach, Here's how you teach, here's the process.
Speaker 3: Try to grab this from Francis Chan, try to grab
Speaker 3: this from whomever. Make sure you use in Bethel for
Speaker 3: your worship, because that's the going right. And for me,
Speaker 3: the production of ministry was not it. God really radicalized
Speaker 3: me and pulled me out of that. The biggest thing
Speaker 3: that I really was taught is church is who we are.
Speaker 3: It isn't what we do. The Holy Spirit is amongst us.
Speaker 3: Jesus said, where two or three are gathered in my name,
Speaker 3: I'm with him. Constantine is the one that made this
Speaker 3: showy church, and he weaponized religion. When it comes down
Speaker 3: to it, if you're walking in the spirit of God,
Speaker 3: you're having church. We're having church right now. This is
Speaker 3: exposing the dark. This is teaching something. This is affirming belief.
Speaker 3: This has changed people and their perspectives. This is reaching
Speaker 3: the people that will never walk in a building. And
Speaker 3: I think that it is so important, so so far
Speaker 3: fetched to what we've been taught church was you better
Speaker 3: go give your ten percent, you know, to so the
Speaker 3: pastor can drive his bentley. The reality is take your
Speaker 3: ten percent and allow God to speak to you on
Speaker 3: who to bless for his glory. There's a whole different
Speaker 3: realm there, right. Jesus didn't come to do that. Jesus
Speaker 3: came the set the captives free right, the set the
Speaker 3: bloodline straight. He came to make away where there was
Speaker 3: no way. And you know, the country club Christians, I
Speaker 3: don't think we'll ever get that. They'll just always be
Speaker 3: locked into. Well, Sister Betty, see me the day, you know,
Speaker 3: I got my coffee at the church coffee cafe. I'm
Speaker 3: just over it. You know that that pastor up there
Speaker 3: looked really good and his smoke machines and skinny jeans.
Speaker 3: So for me, for me and I crack these jokes.
Speaker 3: For me coming out of the brick and mortar ministry
Speaker 3: and stepping into this God really spoke to me in
Speaker 3: these moments and because I felt the guilt, I felt
Speaker 3: the guilt like I need to not forsake the gathering.
Speaker 3: I need to not do this because we were taught
Speaker 3: in Hebrew, you know, do not forsake to gathering. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that wasn't a church meeting. That was what we're doing,
Speaker 3: and this is a true gathering. I mean, I get
Speaker 3: so much out of these podcasts. I'm getting so much
Speaker 3: out of you that, you know, even when we were
Speaker 3: talking before the show started, you're teaching me things I
Speaker 3: never heard. And that's what I love. It deepens and
Speaker 3: quickens you. It's really really cool. And that's sort of
Speaker 3: what we're doing on this whole thing here, is just
Speaker 3: showing that there is a darkness, and if there's a darkness,
Speaker 3: there's got to be something that keeps it in check.
Speaker 3: And that's the list.
Speaker 1: And I love these conversations too, and that's what I
Speaker 1: tell people. It's like I could easily say, you know,
Speaker 1: the stale frighteous things, say oh I do this in
Speaker 1: service to the Lord, you know. But I'm a realist
Speaker 1: because I know I can't lie to God. God, you know,
Speaker 1: and God knows me, and I ain't gonna try to
Speaker 1: fool you guys. And I said it many times. I
Speaker 1: could easily say, oh, I do this in service to
Speaker 1: the Lord, but no, I mean I do this because
Speaker 1: selfishly I enjoy it. I enjoyed it thoroughly. I love
Speaker 1: digging through. It's like a treasure hunt. To me, I'm
Speaker 1: dipping out vicariously as Indiana Jones. I'm running through the jungle,
Speaker 1: dodging he's rolling boulders and grabbing the golden head from
Speaker 1: the booby trap rock and yeah and so. But in
Speaker 1: the process of me doing that and having these conversations
Speaker 1: with you, and like you said, the quickening, that's what
Speaker 1: it is for me. It excites me. And God's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm going to give you something that you selfishly need,
Speaker 1: want and desire because there's other people that have that
Speaker 1: same need, want and desire. And I'm going to work
Speaker 1: through your selfishness because you know, no matter what, you're
Speaker 1: working for me. So I'm going to use with your
Speaker 1: selfishness to reach other people in their selfishness. And you
Speaker 1: know this is church for some people, absolutely, and it's God.
Speaker 1: It ain't me because I just told you my selfish desires, right,
Speaker 1: So it's like, yeah, there's me flavors, you know, and
Speaker 1: God wants to give everybody the flavor they want. And
Speaker 1: I was that guy that when I went to church
Speaker 1: the whole and this is me being brutally honest. Okay,
Speaker 1: gloves are off here. I was never that Kumbaya peace
Speaker 1: you know, God is love dancing through the pews. No,
Speaker 1: that was never me because my personality is Reggie the realist.
Speaker 1: I'm a believer and I have faith, but God has
Speaker 1: shown me many things that it doesn't have to be
Speaker 1: blind faith. You could see taste and and I know
Speaker 1: if I'm like that, other people are like that. And
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff kind of eked me out, you know,
Speaker 1: I was like, and then he may be questions like
Speaker 1: it's my faith true? Ww Come I'm not you know,
Speaker 1: dancing through the pews and stream and hollering acting like that.
Speaker 1: Am I that luke warm Christian or that cold Christian?
Speaker 1: That God's going to spit out? And then I come
Speaker 1: to realize it's like, no, everybody has a different flavor.
Speaker 1: And just as that kind of stuff eches you out
Speaker 1: a little bit, there's other people that's the same. So
Speaker 1: when I have this show and I do what I do,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about Christ, you know what I mean. I'm
Speaker 1: talking about relationship and love and forgiveness. But I'm also
Speaker 1: diving into ancient conspiracies and lost civilizations and cryptids, all
Speaker 1: the cool stuff, but I filter it through a biblical lens.
Speaker 1: So it's like it's not a ministry, but it works
Speaker 1: as a ministry, and it's not beating the Bible over
Speaker 1: people's heads and giving them that icky feel. And so
Speaker 1: it's like, I've had many people that listen to my
Speaker 1: show and email me that they tell me straight up,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not a Christian. I'm not a believer,
Speaker 1: but I really enjoy your show. That's awesome, man, And
Speaker 1: I can't remember how many emails I've gotten from people
Speaker 1: said I walked away from the faith and watching your show, man,
Speaker 1: I've rededicated my life to Christ. I had three people
Speaker 1: email me in the past month. Brother, that's amazing, the
Speaker 1: exact same thing through your show and what you're doing.
Speaker 1: I have rededicated my life to Christ. So, Bro, I'm
Speaker 1: following my selfish desires, but God's using it for his
Speaker 1: means and his glory.
Speaker 3: You know, amen and listen. I always had a Jonah
Speaker 3: calling like you know I wanted to run from anything
Speaker 3: I was called to. I'm charismatic, I can be very charismatic.
Speaker 3: I was the shouting type. You know up here in
Speaker 3: Pittsburgh doesn't work really well down there. I should have
Speaker 3: gone to the South. I should have faith an accent.
Speaker 3: I would have been goold in. But you know I
Speaker 3: didn't do then. And what God really taught me is
Speaker 3: through it was a missionary. He came in and I
Speaker 3: was playing real heavy because I played piano, I played guitar.
Speaker 3: I love worship. And he was like, listen, pull that
Speaker 3: all back. He goes, just stop and I was like,
Speaker 3: oh this is different. He goes, it sounds beautiful, nothing
Speaker 3: wrong with it. He goes just stop. He goes, We're
Speaker 3: going to ask God to just show up here. No theatrics,
Speaker 3: no craziness, We're just going to call God.
Speaker 1: And he's Jerry Lee Lewis of the Church.
Speaker 3: Pretty much right on my brain. There we go. We
Speaker 3: can go right into that. Now, great bells of fire,
Speaker 3: lighted on fire? Oh man, jeez, who would ever do that?
Speaker 3: In one of his quotes, nobody follows a killer like
Speaker 3: that quote from him, but.
Speaker 1: Jeck Barry in that movie Jeck Barry was fighting if
Speaker 1: who was going to be the final closing act and
Speaker 1: he was like, I got the number one record in
Speaker 1: the world and he's like, well, no, we signed a contract.
Speaker 1: Chuck Berry's going last. He said, all right, good luck
Speaker 1: following the Killer. And that's where you set that piano home.
Speaker 3: Nothing wrong, I mean, that stuff's wild, but like you
Speaker 3: just learned through all that that it's not about the
Speaker 3: glitz and the glam. That's all ego based. It's just
Speaker 3: about you being you. And you said of this asn't
Speaker 3: a ministry, but it is. It is a clear clean
Speaker 3: cup ministry because there are people who are hurting who
Speaker 3: need God and God's like, there's no other way They're
Speaker 3: going to come through. But understanding that the darkness is
Speaker 3: a real thing. They need that logical understanding that the
Speaker 3: cryptids do exist. People have had those encounters and you know,
Speaker 3: not just then, but the Shadow people, a Poltergeist and
Speaker 3: Da Lorraine Warren And when you understand, his whole thing
Speaker 3: was to prove the Devil existed so people would say, yes,
Speaker 3: God does exist, because you can't have one without the other.
Speaker 3: Got to coexist, you know. And that's just the story.
Speaker 3: Because he's a part of the Kingdom of God that
Speaker 3: he chose to separate himself from. So it just points
Speaker 3: to the king and you know, you don't have to
Speaker 3: Bible bash people. That's the beautiful part about this stuff
Speaker 3: is we're talking about the dark and the macabre and
Speaker 3: the fringe and the things offbeat that nobody's talking about
Speaker 3: on a Sunday morning because they would lose their whole
Speaker 3: paycheck in that church. You know. So as soon as
Speaker 3: I started getting paid as a pastor, I realized very
Speaker 3: fast that bureaucracy, the things that you can and can't say,
Speaker 3: God was speaking to me, and I would speak them
Speaker 3: in the polpit. I would have board members coming up
Speaker 3: to me and like, you can't be saying that, and
Speaker 3: I would say, whoe to you, brother, You got to
Speaker 3: watch yourself because that's directly what God spoke to me
Speaker 3: up there. I said, you need to watch your steps.
Speaker 3: And that stuff didn't happen once or twice. That happened
Speaker 3: many of times. And so you learn roll fast if
Speaker 3: you want to follow God. Don't get paid to do
Speaker 3: God's way work, Just do God's work. I don't think
Speaker 3: Moses thought he was doing anything spectacular. He was just
Speaker 3: answering the call, you know, and here you are leading
Speaker 3: people out of their deserts. There's some power there, man.
Speaker 3: So you're doing a great job. You have great call.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it, but I always put up that defensive while.
Speaker 1: And I've said this on many episodes of my listeners
Speaker 1: that's been with me for a while. I've heard this
Speaker 1: before and they're probably tired of hearing it. But hey,
Speaker 1: there might be somebody new. Okay, just let me roll,
Speaker 1: let me roll. I'm a peacock baby, let me Fly.
Speaker 1: I love that movie too. Yeah, but I tell people
Speaker 1: I'm like I always said that, you know this is
Speaker 1: not a ministry. You know that I am a content
Speaker 1: creator who happens to be a Christian and filters all
Speaker 1: this cool stuff through my biblical lens. But honestly that
Speaker 1: once again, I've done that selfishly because like you said,
Speaker 1: I love how you said that, because you give me
Speaker 1: a revelation. Brother, just now, I said, you were a Jonah,
Speaker 1: You're always running. He's running my entire life. Man. I
Speaker 1: was the third child too. I was the spiritual one.
Speaker 1: Interesting and my grandmother, my mother, everybody in my family
Speaker 1: said Justin's going to be the preacher of the family.
Speaker 3: Interesting, and I was like nope, and.
Speaker 1: I rebelled hard. I mean hard. So now it's like
Speaker 1: my mother. You know, my grandmother didn't live to see
Speaker 1: me doing this podcasting stuff, but my mom brings it
Speaker 1: up all the time. She's like, we told you, we
Speaker 1: told you, And I was like, no, no, and because
Speaker 1: I'd done that, because I didn't want those unreal expectations
Speaker 1: put on me, because I know how screwed up I am.
Speaker 1: I know how I just I'm the lowest of the
Speaker 1: low I see all the time. I don't want nobody
Speaker 1: to idolize me, to put me on a pedestal, or
Speaker 1: think that since I'm talking about God, that I have
Speaker 1: to do X, Y Z and fit into this little
Speaker 1: perfect box that a pass or a person that ministry
Speaker 1: has to do and be. Because I know I can
Speaker 1: never fit that. So I put up those defensive walls.
Speaker 1: I was like, this is not a ministry, so therefore,
Speaker 1: don't put your preacher expectations on me, because I'm gonna
Speaker 1: let you down.
Speaker 3: But that's you know, I'm telling you, man, Listen. I
Speaker 3: remember Jonah being my very favorite story of a teach
Speaker 3: on that and God said, you like this story so
Speaker 3: much because that's who you are. And I'm like, come on, man,
Speaker 3: that's an insult. He said, it's not an insult. He goes.
Speaker 3: Jonah eventually listened. He came around. And how did he
Speaker 3: come around? He came through by a game of chance.
Speaker 3: They drew straws and that's when he realized, yep, it's me.
Speaker 3: Throw me overboard and they did. And you know, the
Speaker 3: beautiful part is the realization. In that whole story nobody
Speaker 3: talks about, he came to his senses. He said, yeah,
Speaker 3: I may not be like the prophet Elijah. I may
Speaker 3: not be like the prophet over here. I may not
Speaker 3: be this person, but God still calling me in regardless,
Speaker 3: I'll answer. That's the beautiful part. You don't have to
Speaker 3: have those expectations met. Guess what. I don't have blonde hair,
Speaker 3: I don't have blue eyes, I don't have perfect teeth,
Speaker 3: I don't have any of that stuff. I surely can't
Speaker 3: fit into the skinny jeans and my style is not studio.
Speaker 3: So when it comes down to it, I love being
Speaker 3: an imperfect Tornado when it comes to ministry because I
Speaker 3: love this man. I'm telling you, bro, it gives the
Speaker 3: people that listen and the people that understand that they're
Speaker 3: not perfect. It's like the geeky kids in high school going,
Speaker 3: I'm making millions of dollars in my thirties and look
Speaker 3: at the jocks. They're all fat and losers now, But
Speaker 3: in high school they were looking at them like they
Speaker 3: had everything, everything they wanted. The girls, they had the popularity.
Speaker 3: And it's so weird how things flip and they just do.
Speaker 1: And guards always made me more relatable. It does a
Speaker 1: quick quick story. I had you go for really big
Speaker 1: no ministry something, and it's a ministry that I looked
Speaker 1: up to big time man, listened to a lot of
Speaker 1: the people, read a lot of their books, and really
Speaker 1: looked up to the man. No, no, smart people can
Speaker 1: put two and two together. But this person I met
Speaker 1: them at a conference finally and we exchange numbers. And
Speaker 1: this person started watching my channel and listening to my
Speaker 1: show and stuff, followed me on social media, and they
Speaker 1: started really breathing life into me. Man. It was kind
Speaker 1: of like I pince yourself, you know, is this real?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: But he would text me and be like, man, you're
Speaker 1: doing great. I love what you're doing. Keep doing what
Speaker 1: you're doing. It's gonna be no time. You know, you're
Speaker 1: gonna be reaching lots of people, dude, And I got
Speaker 1: faith in you. I love what you're doing in the book.
Speaker 1: I wrote the book. I love the book, and you're
Speaker 1: doing so great. And so I was like, man, I
Speaker 1: need what if I reached out and maybe went on
Speaker 1: their platform and talked about my book because obviously they
Speaker 1: got a lot, a lot larger reach than me. And
Speaker 1: he keeps telling me how much he likes what I'm doing.
Speaker 1: I just need to swing at the ball. So I
Speaker 1: messaged him and I was like, hey, I said, I
Speaker 1: just released my book. You know, I'll fly out, you know,
Speaker 1: on my own dime, come to your studio and stuff,
Speaker 1: and I'd love to talk about my book and stuff
Speaker 1: to your listeners and viewers. And he told me, he said,
Speaker 1: now justin, I love you death, and I'm going to
Speaker 1: shoot you straight. That's because I'm gonna shoot you straight
Speaker 1: because I love you, he said. You know, I think
Speaker 1: what you're doing is great, he said, But if I
Speaker 1: brought you on my program, he said, I would receive
Speaker 1: nothing but backlash, he said, from our paying donors and supporters.
Speaker 1: He said, But no, he said, you'll show up, he said.
Speaker 1: He said, you got that big, big beard. He said,
Speaker 1: you're covered in tattoos. He said, there's videos of you
Speaker 1: on YouTube with a cigarette in your hand.
Speaker 3: Dangerous, he said.
Speaker 1: I ain't got a problem with it, he said, But
Speaker 1: the people that the bills and keeps this network afloat,
Speaker 1: this is the problem. It would be a big deal,
Speaker 1: he said, And they would probably pull funding, he said,
Speaker 1: And we can't afford to do it. It would hurt me.
Speaker 1: So I can't do it, and I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1: It aggravated me, made me mad, and I even told
Speaker 1: that guy. You know, I said. Everybody has their audience
Speaker 1: they need to reach. I said, but the audience you're
Speaker 1: reaching is the suit and tie already saved Christians. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to reach through the average jos that maybe you
Speaker 1: don't know christ that's never wore a suit in their
Speaker 1: life or step foot in a church. And yeah, to
Speaker 1: those people, I might be repulsive with my beard and
Speaker 1: tattoos and cigarette in my hand, I said, But I'm
Speaker 1: going to reach those people. You're not going to reach,
Speaker 1: I said, because to them I am more relatable. Because
Speaker 1: a lot of those people look at people, you know,
Speaker 1: the suit and tie, squeaky clean, no tattoos, never say
Speaker 1: a curse word. They said Jimmy cricket when they smash
Speaker 1: their fingers instead of custom. And they're gonna be like,
Speaker 1: if that's Christianity, I don't want I could never be that,
Speaker 1: So therefore why would I even try. I don't want
Speaker 1: to be like that. But if they see somebody like us, beards, tattoos,
Speaker 1: got a crazy backstory, They're gonna be like, you know what,
Speaker 1: that guy's relatable and he's a Christian, I could be that.
Speaker 1: Let's see, let's see how this Christianity thing works.
Speaker 3: Absolutely. And you know, when I look at the story
Speaker 3: of Jesus in this Pharisees, I see that. I see
Speaker 3: that they want to go into the dirty places, they
Speaker 3: want to be near. They just wanted to look pretty.
Speaker 3: They wanted to be, you know, profound. They wanted to
Speaker 3: be God's chosen. And then when Jesus came, he was
Speaker 3: touching lepers, he was allowing women to come up and
Speaker 3: touch his garment, he was healing people on the Sabbath,
Speaker 3: he was doing the dirty. He was doing this stuff,
Speaker 3: and nobody in that time wouldever accept And I only
Speaker 3: took him three years until those those people with those
Speaker 3: donors and those pretty coins and pretty robes said we
Speaker 3: need to get rid of him, and they did their
Speaker 3: father's will. And who was their father? Jesus said it
Speaker 3: very clearly, your father is the devil, very very clear.
Speaker 3: So and I'm not calling that man the devil that
Speaker 3: told you not to come on. But the reality is
Speaker 3: there is a clear, clean cup problem with Christianity today.
Speaker 3: And that's the problem. Donors don't control the board, doesn't control.
Speaker 3: God is who is supposed to control. Now orders a
Speaker 3: great thing. But when God has a direct connection to
Speaker 3: a person and it's actually using that person, who are
Speaker 3: we to step in the way of that? That's a
Speaker 3: dangerous game. And I don't want to answer for that,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: That's what I'll tell you. That guy, you know, I'll
Speaker 1: tell you. I said, I ain't mad, you know, I said,
Speaker 1: I am frustrated a little bit and kind of disheartened.
Speaker 1: I said, well, I'm not mad. I don't you know,
Speaker 1: I have no ill will against yes, But nah, I said,
Speaker 1: but your crowd, your your road for that type of
Speaker 1: people is well covered. There's so many platforms and networks
Speaker 1: going to your group, that group of people, I said,
Speaker 1: the crowd that I'm trying to reach. I said, there
Speaker 1: is no platform.
Speaker 3: Nope, there's no wills.
Speaker 1: I said, I feel God's called me to this, and
Speaker 1: that's fine. I don't need, you know, any external help
Speaker 1: that's done in God's will. I will carve my own
Speaker 1: path and I will make my own platform for the
Speaker 1: normal nine to five working class jos like us. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we need, we need, we need a seat at the table.
Speaker 3: You know. The beautiful part too. And I love that
Speaker 3: we're talking about this. This is a great subject.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm talking about Holy Spirit Field. I mean,
Speaker 1: everybody's man, this is all over the place, babe. Man,
Speaker 1: we go where God tells us to go.
Speaker 3: That's right, man. It's fun that we're here because I
Speaker 3: I've these are whole things that I've been really pressed
Speaker 3: on my spirit in the past couple of weeks. And
Speaker 3: one of the things I always say this, I was
Speaker 3: twenty six years old, and when I realized that you know,
Speaker 3: I wasn't a boy anymore, I was coming into manhood.
Speaker 3: Was the realization that nobody was coming to save me,
Speaker 3: that I would succeed and fill by my own hand.
Speaker 3: And when I stopped looking for the cavalry in the
Speaker 3: background that was never coming, that I never had that
Speaker 3: I thought would be there. Because we were in church,
Speaker 3: as we did everything, we were in crisis. We needed help.
Speaker 3: The gay community showed up for us. And I still
Speaker 3: can't believe that none of us are gay, and I
Speaker 3: don't support that community, but they showed up in our
Speaker 3: family and they supported where we needed to support. And
Speaker 3: I'm going I am a pastor, I am a minister.
Speaker 3: I have people backing me, I have all. Nobody showed
Speaker 3: up when we weren't our times of desperation. Instead we
Speaker 3: received judgment, you'll be fine, we'll pray for you, that
Speaker 3: type of stuff. And when I realized that, that's when
Speaker 3: I became a man, and that's when we opened our business.
Speaker 3: I got out of work in a nine to five.
Speaker 3: We switched our whole life around because we realized nobody
Speaker 3: earth he was coming to save us. So I relied
Speaker 3: on myself and the will of God and listening and
Speaker 3: tuning into what God had for me. And there is
Speaker 3: so much power in what you're doing, especially chasing after
Speaker 3: the unreachable, the ones who think that they're desolate, that
Speaker 3: they have no shot because the Sadducees and the Pharisees
Speaker 3: will not get off their showtime on Sunday morning to
Speaker 3: go out to giant eggle where they know all the
Speaker 3: lost star, which is the grocery store where I live.
Speaker 3: They know where a lost star. Yeah, and preach the gospel.
Speaker 3: They're too busy collecting the ties. And a lot of
Speaker 3: people have a lot of problem with this type of talk.
Speaker 3: But the reality is is God wants the lost. He
Speaker 3: wants the one out of the ninety nine. He wants
Speaker 3: you to chase the lost. That's the goal, man, and
Speaker 3: whatever that looks like. I don't care that you got tattoos.
Speaker 3: I don't care that you have a cigarette. They're finding
Speaker 3: out now nicotine's really a very high Those of nicotine
Speaker 3: can cure a lot of things. People have no idea,
Speaker 3: and their governments trying to band it now, but the
Speaker 3: studies have been done. Anyways, With all that being said,
Speaker 3: we can go into that conspiracy. I just think that
Speaker 3: the church needs the reform itself. We're done with the
Speaker 3: glitz and glam. I'm over it. I want this. I
Speaker 3: want men on men here. Not that sounds weird, you know,
Speaker 3: I want dude, come on, bro, you got to cut
Speaker 3: that all out. I want manly men leading the church.
Speaker 3: I don't want the feminist garbage anymore. I'm done with it.
Speaker 3: I'm done with emotionalism. I'm done with the show. I'm
Speaker 3: done with the theatrics. I want real people leading the show.
Speaker 3: People like Christ, people like the Disciples, willing to lay
Speaker 3: it down because they know it's true. Man. Sadducees and
Speaker 3: Pharisees couldn't lay it away. But the fishermen, the tax collectors,
Speaker 3: the prostitutes, they could because they were real people. They
Speaker 3: had nothing to.
Speaker 1: Show to them because they were like them.
Speaker 3: They were like them.
Speaker 1: If they can do it, I can do it, amen.
Speaker 3: That's why he was a carpenter for the majority of
Speaker 3: his life. He only did ministry for like three years.
Speaker 3: And they're like, we gotta kill this man. It's not
Speaker 3: hard to see when you start seeing it through that pattern.
Speaker 3: He was amongst his people. He was there to save
Speaker 3: and we should be too. And I you know, it's
Speaker 3: beautiful to talk about it that way. But yeah, man,
Speaker 3: we covered witchcraft, we covered churchyanity, we covered all these things.
Speaker 1: Amen. See, and this was a good warm up conversation.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I meant it in the beginning. You know,
Speaker 1: hopefully this is the first of many conversations. So everybody
Speaker 1: got a good feel for you and who you are.
Speaker 1: And people don't know this yet, but they're gonna find
Speaker 1: out on the next time you come home. But you
Speaker 1: are also a really good deep dive researcher, and I've
Speaker 1: heard you pick a few topics and really tear apart
Speaker 1: some rabbit holes. So I hope that you will grace
Speaker 1: me with some of that great research material in the future.
Speaker 3: Sure, I appreciate that, man, And listen, you know, I
Speaker 3: don't hear too much feedback, so that feedback is pretty incredible.
Speaker 3: I appreciate that. And I try to do my research.
Speaker 3: I really cross reference, and God's given me the ability
Speaker 3: to see the patterns. Once you can do that, you
Speaker 3: can change everything. You can break curses, you can set
Speaker 3: new things in your life, you can change everything in
Speaker 3: anything about your trajectory in this world.
Speaker 1: Amen. Well, rather before we leave man websites, social media
Speaker 1: is anything that you want to plug. I know you
Speaker 1: talked about your Handyman Preacher account on TikTok. If anything,
Speaker 1: you want to direct the listeners to let them know
Speaker 1: where they can find you.
Speaker 3: My goodness, TikTok's probably the easiest right now. We do
Speaker 3: tool reviews, I do a lot of ministry preaching. I'll
Speaker 3: do some lives and we do product reviews. And I
Speaker 3: sold a lot of products too. But that's the handyman preacher.
Speaker 3: You can go find me right on TikTok. I greatly
Speaker 3: appreciate you. You give me a follow, and I always try
Speaker 3: to follow back. I'm almost at my max though, ten
Speaker 3: thousands at max, and we're close. I always try to
Speaker 3: return the favor any way I can. You can find
Speaker 3: Soulful Sunday. That's on Facebook. I don't do that too
Speaker 3: often anymore, but I will pop on there when God
Speaker 3: really lays something on me. And that's also on YouTube
Speaker 3: as well. I would suggest to go to the Facebook
Speaker 3: one if you could. Soulful Sunday in the shop. And
Speaker 3: that's really where I'm at. And man, it has been
Speaker 3: such a blessing to be on here. I love this.
Speaker 3: This was a phenomenal conversation and you are really a
Speaker 3: good guy. I enjoy talking to you.
Speaker 1: You're all right for a white boy too. Man. I
Speaker 1: don't care what Chris says about you. You're all right.
Speaker 1: In my book.
Speaker 3: Brother, you know, hey, you know what can I say?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that broken clock is right twice a day. But
Speaker 1: Chris was totally wrong with you.
Speaker 3: I just kidding, Chris.
Speaker 1: Chris didn't say nothing.
Speaker 3: I promise, I'm just gonna I mean, listen, man.
Speaker 1: Don't start no drama. I don't want to make you
Speaker 1: to Hyena. And maybe he's some meat starting.
Speaker 3: Right amen to that. No, Chris is phenomenal guy. He
Speaker 3: would say.
Speaker 1: Well, brother, man, I definitely appreciate it, and I meant
Speaker 1: what I said. Let's reconnect. Let's pick a topic that
Speaker 1: you want to talk about or you've maybe done some
Speaker 1: research on, and we'll go down. I've heard you talk
Speaker 1: about the Nimrod, the Tower of Bible, and a couple
Speaker 1: other things in the past, and those were really good.
Speaker 1: I enjoyed those thoroughly, so definitely want you back and
Speaker 1: we will dive into those objects or maybe some new
Speaker 1: rabbit trails.
Speaker 3: Man, perfect, I'm all for it. Man, this was a
Speaker 3: great dig podcast. I love it so definitely.
Speaker 1: Well, guys, I hope you enjoyed that, and I hope
Speaker 1: we didn't go off on too many rabbit trails and
Speaker 1: tangents and you just lost interest. But if so, hey,
Speaker 1: I'll fix it next time. Okay, Okay, nobody bats one hundreds. Okay,
Speaker 1: check out his stuff, Man, contribute to this brother's work
Speaker 1: and check him out. Man, I know he had much
Speaker 1: appreciate sheiate it. And just remember, guys, the difference between
Speaker 1: the known and the unknown is the journey. So good journey, guys. Man, guys,
Speaker 1: I hope you really enjoyed that, because I sure did.
Speaker 1: I know. It was a little bit, you know, kind
Speaker 1: of all over the place. We touched on a lot
Speaker 1: of different topics, but man, it was just a great conversation.
Speaker 1: And that's the reason why I got into this, because
Speaker 1: I love the conversations, getting to know other people and
Speaker 1: their stories and just kind of people's positions on things.
Speaker 1: So this was the first time we had him on,
Speaker 1: and I've done invited him to come back and share
Speaker 1: some of his research with us. But man, just what
Speaker 1: a testimony. What a great guy. I mean, you could
Speaker 1: not sit down with Jesse and not like this dude.
Speaker 1: So I had a really great impression on me. I
Speaker 1: hope he had a great impression on you. And get ready, guys,
Speaker 1: we'll had this guy back for round two soon. Torch
Speaker 1: is high.
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