WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.760 --> 00:00:02.439 Hey, guys, I hope you put your seat bel on 2 00:00:02.600 --> 00:00:06.799 for this one. We sit down with former occultist Jesse Dowwick. 3 00:00:07.480 --> 00:00:11.359 He gives his testimony of all his supernatural experiences and 4 00:00:11.640 --> 00:00:15.320 his experiences coming through witchcraft, the generational curses that it 5 00:00:15.400 --> 00:00:18.039 had on him and his family, and we even kind 6 00:00:18.039 --> 00:00:21.280 of delve into some of the Phariseic spirit of the church. 7 00:00:21.640 --> 00:00:24.559 This is a great conversation. This was the first time 8 00:00:24.600 --> 00:00:26.480 I had him on the show, and I'm here to 9 00:00:26.480 --> 00:00:28.760 tell you, guys, it's going to be the first of many. 10 00:00:28.839 --> 00:00:31.719 Sit back, relaxed and enjoyed the journey. Guys. 11 00:00:32.520 --> 00:00:34.920 Disclaimer to the fair season Karen's out there. 12 00:00:35.000 --> 00:00:35.200 Oh. 13 00:00:36.159 --> 00:00:38.079 All guests on the show do not reflect the opinions 14 00:00:38.079 --> 00:00:41.520 of the hosting. The purpose of the show is to 15 00:00:41.520 --> 00:00:44.679 have interesting conversations, stretch our minds and grow not what 16 00:00:44.799 --> 00:00:47.439 we want. If you are looking for an echo chamber 17 00:00:47.840 --> 00:00:48.799 viewer and listener. 18 00:00:48.600 --> 00:01:04.920 Discretion, you talk about extreme what is happening and what 19 00:01:05.120 --> 00:01:08.159 is up? Hold out your glass because we're about to 20 00:01:08.159 --> 00:01:08.599 fill it. 21 00:01:08.640 --> 00:01:09.920 Up torches high. 22 00:01:10.159 --> 00:01:14.480 You know, look at it from a different perspective, different perspective. 23 00:01:14.120 --> 00:01:24.959 Different perfect Hey you guys, what is happening and what 24 00:01:25.280 --> 00:01:28.319 is up? Hold out that glass, baby, because you know 25 00:01:28.400 --> 00:01:31.920 what time it is. We about to fill it up. 26 00:01:32.159 --> 00:01:35.040 Welcome to the Prometheus Lens podcast, the place where the 27 00:01:35.079 --> 00:01:39.079 conversations are always in lighting. I am your host, Doc Brown, 28 00:01:39.079 --> 00:01:41.159 and here we like to use the allegory of the 29 00:01:41.159 --> 00:01:46.079 Prometheus Lens to take a second look at everything. Hey guys, 30 00:01:46.079 --> 00:01:49.480 if you're listening on apples Spotify, I know ads suck, 31 00:01:50.120 --> 00:01:52.799 but before bucks a month, you can get an AD 32 00:01:52.840 --> 00:01:55.799 free listening experience. Or you can join us on the 33 00:01:55.799 --> 00:01:58.959 Hero's Journey with the All Access Pass and get forty 34 00:01:59.000 --> 00:02:03.439 eight hour early at says to all episodes, members only episodes, 35 00:02:03.799 --> 00:02:07.680 and so much more. Okay, guys, all that out of 36 00:02:07.680 --> 00:02:09.439 the way. Man, let's get into the meat of the matter. 37 00:02:09.759 --> 00:02:12.680 We're here for the conversations. We're here to spread the fire. 38 00:02:12.840 --> 00:02:16.759 And just call me the fire starter, baby, because I 39 00:02:16.759 --> 00:02:18.479 got a guy lined up for you. I've been in 40 00:02:18.520 --> 00:02:21.039 this guy's company for a few years now, seeing him 41 00:02:21.080 --> 00:02:23.719 in the podcast circuit, and we've kind of circled around 42 00:02:23.759 --> 00:02:25.879 each other and missed each other. So we finally hooked 43 00:02:25.960 --> 00:02:28.960 up through a commie talk as we like to call it, 44 00:02:29.439 --> 00:02:31.360 and saw I reached out and inviting him to come on. 45 00:02:31.439 --> 00:02:33.159 But I'd like to welcome to the show for the 46 00:02:33.159 --> 00:02:35.919 first time, hopefully the first time of many is Jesse 47 00:02:36.120 --> 00:02:37.919 doubt Man, thank you for coming to hang out with 48 00:02:37.919 --> 00:02:38.319 me today. 49 00:02:38.919 --> 00:02:41.319 It's so good to be here. I am so grateful 50 00:02:41.360 --> 00:02:45.319 to finally make land on this I really am. And man, 51 00:02:45.479 --> 00:02:48.479 let me just say you're smooth. You are a smooth talker. 52 00:02:48.520 --> 00:02:53.479 With that intron loved that. Some real Tennessee thought, yeah. 53 00:02:53.240 --> 00:02:56.199 What was it, brother wareth he was born with the 54 00:02:56.240 --> 00:02:57.560 gift of gab, weren't you. Yeah? 55 00:03:00.400 --> 00:03:03.599 But man, I am seriously very thankful and grateful to 56 00:03:03.599 --> 00:03:07.479 be here. And I love the podcast community. I especially 57 00:03:07.520 --> 00:03:11.360 love your content, and man, I am excited to give 58 00:03:11.479 --> 00:03:15.439 some good information, good conversation. Let's jump into this. 59 00:03:16.039 --> 00:03:18.080 Yeah, man, before we get too deep into the pool, 60 00:03:18.319 --> 00:03:20.159 let's set the mood a little bit. As my buddy 61 00:03:20.199 --> 00:03:24.039 Trebles Garcia likes to say, just introduce yourself to the audience. 62 00:03:24.120 --> 00:03:26.199 Just got to give a little background info. Who you are, 63 00:03:26.240 --> 00:03:30.719 what you do, specialties, likes, what is your sign? Do 64 00:03:30.759 --> 00:03:34.360 you like long walks on the beach or blanket under 65 00:03:34.400 --> 00:03:36.439 the stars kind of guy. Just give everybody a feel 66 00:03:36.479 --> 00:03:37.599 for who Jesse is. 67 00:03:37.879 --> 00:03:42.680 All right, So I am in December Capricorn. We don't 68 00:03:42.680 --> 00:03:46.159 believe in that. I was a former witch. I you know, 69 00:03:46.520 --> 00:03:48.759 dealt a lot with the zodiacs. I dealt a lot 70 00:03:48.840 --> 00:03:53.199 with divination, all that stuff. Dark magic, light magic, it's 71 00:03:53.240 --> 00:03:56.719 all magic. Anyways, I was saved by the grace of God, 72 00:03:56.879 --> 00:04:00.360 became a pastor for many years, served in every type 73 00:04:00.400 --> 00:04:03.479 of ministry you could do. My wife's an adrenaline junkie. 74 00:04:03.719 --> 00:04:06.319 If we don't jump out of planes, we drive NASCAR. 75 00:04:06.360 --> 00:04:08.960 If we don't drive Nascar, we go scuba diving. She 76 00:04:09.000 --> 00:04:12.439 finds the highest mountains to climb. Anything we can get going, 77 00:04:12.599 --> 00:04:15.800 she does. And we are very blessed to have an 78 00:04:15.800 --> 00:04:19.720 adopted son. And man, that's pretty much. I don't like 79 00:04:19.800 --> 00:04:22.120 long walks on the beach. Actually, for me, I hate 80 00:04:22.160 --> 00:04:25.279 the beach. I'm a mountain guy. I am straight mountains. 81 00:04:25.360 --> 00:04:28.839 We're out of the hills of Pennsylvania and there's not 82 00:04:28.920 --> 00:04:31.959 really hills here other than just driving roads. But with 83 00:04:32.079 --> 00:04:36.600 that being said, yeah, man, I really just enjoy doing life. 84 00:04:36.720 --> 00:04:39.600 And I'm a contractor by trade. We have a full 85 00:04:39.639 --> 00:04:42.639 time business and I'm on TikTok. You can find me 86 00:04:42.720 --> 00:04:46.199 under the tag handyman preacher. So you're all welcome to 87 00:04:46.279 --> 00:04:49.160 join there. But yeah, that's really it about me. 88 00:04:50.639 --> 00:04:52.800 Yeah. Well, see we were talking pre row, which we 89 00:04:52.839 --> 00:04:55.759 talked like an hour pre row and I'm here. At 90 00:04:55.759 --> 00:04:58.240 one point you were like, are we recording this? This 91 00:04:58.360 --> 00:05:01.240 is great content, right, and I was like, that's how 92 00:05:01.240 --> 00:05:02.920 it works. That's how it always works. 93 00:05:04.040 --> 00:05:06.160 Easy talking, man, easy talking. 94 00:05:07.680 --> 00:05:09.480 Well, I was talking to you pre ro when I 95 00:05:09.560 --> 00:05:12.959 was saying that I first mumped into you through Camp 96 00:05:13.040 --> 00:05:16.720 Ermont podcast, which Chris and Tory they're no longer doing 97 00:05:16.759 --> 00:05:20.680 that show anymore, but that's how I first got introduced 98 00:05:20.680 --> 00:05:22.399 to you. And you kind of gave your testimony and 99 00:05:22.439 --> 00:05:26.959 some of your supernatural experiences and you're coming to Christ. 100 00:05:27.000 --> 00:05:29.560 That was a pretty wild story, man. 101 00:05:29.959 --> 00:05:32.519 It's a wild story. And you know, I actually had 102 00:05:32.560 --> 00:05:36.240 someone message man like this stuff. You know, I have 103 00:05:36.399 --> 00:05:40.240 nothing to gain from telling my testimony. That's what it's 104 00:05:40.279 --> 00:05:43.120 supposed to be. Like, I tell that so it impacts 105 00:05:43.199 --> 00:05:46.240 those who hear it, and you know, the guys like 106 00:05:46.319 --> 00:05:48.480 it sounds a little bit Hollywood. I'm like, you could 107 00:05:48.519 --> 00:05:52.120 call whatever you want. I don't care. It's a personal experience. 108 00:05:52.279 --> 00:05:55.279 I didn't address this up. This is my journey and 109 00:05:55.600 --> 00:05:59.720 that's really what happened. And you know, anytime I deal 110 00:05:59.759 --> 00:06:03.439 with the dark, the dark recognizes you. Once you dabble 111 00:06:03.480 --> 00:06:07.519 with it, it knows you sort of by name, sort 112 00:06:07.560 --> 00:06:11.639 of like your distant friends that became frenemies, right, and 113 00:06:11.680 --> 00:06:15.160 it always invites you back. And you know, anytime I 114 00:06:15.199 --> 00:06:19.839 share this, it's usually in October, it gives me goosebumps. 115 00:06:19.879 --> 00:06:23.040 Still every time. The thing that comes to my mind 116 00:06:23.319 --> 00:06:27.040 is I am taking a risk by shouting back into 117 00:06:27.040 --> 00:06:30.800 that darkness and telling these stories. And for me, it's 118 00:06:30.839 --> 00:06:34.560 actually hindering more than it is freeing. So anyone that 119 00:06:34.639 --> 00:06:39.079 hears anything tonight, just know that this is all personal experience. 120 00:06:39.199 --> 00:06:42.000 This is stuff I went through. I have family, I 121 00:06:42.040 --> 00:06:44.839 have friends who have been around for all these things. 122 00:06:45.240 --> 00:06:48.120 And you could do those backchecks any day. I would 123 00:06:48.160 --> 00:06:50.600 love to have those people come on and tell the 124 00:06:50.639 --> 00:06:55.079 same story that I've told. You know, so it's not fake. 125 00:06:55.240 --> 00:06:58.360 This stuff is real as me and you sitting here talking. 126 00:06:58.879 --> 00:07:01.600 So I think that's so interesting. Whenever we're sitting down 127 00:07:01.639 --> 00:07:04.399 on podcasts and we're having those conversations, shout out to 128 00:07:04.480 --> 00:07:07.519 Chris and Tory. They were phenomenal and I miss those guys. 129 00:07:09.800 --> 00:07:13.399 They were pretty pretty dope. We started. I started the 130 00:07:13.399 --> 00:07:16.680 Big Bible podcast just maybe a month or two before 131 00:07:16.759 --> 00:07:19.000 they had started Doers, and Chris had reached out to 132 00:07:19.000 --> 00:07:22.839 me and we were exchanging ideas and encouragement stuff with 133 00:07:22.879 --> 00:07:25.600 each other, and I was fortunate enough to get invited 134 00:07:25.639 --> 00:07:29.399 to their first conference and it was kind of like 135 00:07:29.519 --> 00:07:32.000 just like a going away bang. We just didn't know 136 00:07:32.040 --> 00:07:34.480 it at the time, but he threw a conference and 137 00:07:34.519 --> 00:07:36.639 then like it was at the conference he told me 138 00:07:36.639 --> 00:07:38.319 He's like, yeah, we're thinking about hanging up the hat. 139 00:07:38.360 --> 00:07:40.160 And I was like, well, man, you going out with 140 00:07:40.199 --> 00:07:40.560 the bang? 141 00:07:40.639 --> 00:07:43.720 Man, Hey, that's the way to go celebrate on the 142 00:07:43.720 --> 00:07:46.600 way out the door. That's the game. Should have did 143 00:07:46.600 --> 00:07:51.920 the Irish goodbye where you just leave, you know. But yeah, no, 144 00:07:52.040 --> 00:07:56.439 And I come from a very big Italian family, so listen, 145 00:07:56.439 --> 00:07:59.199 if you're Irish, I'm sorry, I'm not your cup of tea. No, 146 00:08:01.560 --> 00:08:04.240 but I think I think you know, they did a 147 00:08:04.240 --> 00:08:08.680 great job what they were doing there, So nothing, no qualms, man, 148 00:08:08.680 --> 00:08:11.040 they were there were great people. And I still keep 149 00:08:11.040 --> 00:08:12.079 in contact with Chris. 150 00:08:12.639 --> 00:08:16.399 Yeah, yep, well man, uh, if you don't care to 151 00:08:16.879 --> 00:08:19.519 delve into the dark man, just kind of give us 152 00:08:19.519 --> 00:08:22.519 a walk through and your testimony and kind of you 153 00:08:22.519 --> 00:08:24.800 know what you went through. Man, if you don't care. 154 00:08:25.360 --> 00:08:29.639 No, not at all. So my testimony really begins. You know, 155 00:08:29.800 --> 00:08:33.720 I was dabbling in witchcraft at a very early age. 156 00:08:33.799 --> 00:08:36.720 I was just always called to the dark. I always 157 00:08:36.759 --> 00:08:40.240 felt wizards, I always felt wizard try and I was 158 00:08:40.320 --> 00:08:43.080 sort of before right out Harry Potter. I didn't care 159 00:08:43.159 --> 00:08:45.840 for Harry Potter. I liked dungeons and dragons. I liked 160 00:08:45.840 --> 00:08:49.320 all the dark stuff, the stuff everybody said you shouldn't 161 00:08:49.320 --> 00:08:53.320 people dabbling with wigi boards, stuff like that, and you know, 162 00:08:53.399 --> 00:08:57.360 it just locked me in. Later down my line, I 163 00:08:57.440 --> 00:09:00.960 figured out every generation sort of in my family has 164 00:09:01.039 --> 00:09:04.960 witches or has the darkness reaching into them. And I 165 00:09:05.000 --> 00:09:07.799 think that's so interesting because even now I can see 166 00:09:07.840 --> 00:09:11.759 things chasing after my son. And you know, we'll get 167 00:09:11.799 --> 00:09:15.399 to that. But my testimony is this. I didn't go 168 00:09:15.480 --> 00:09:19.399 to church here and there, maybe for Christmas Easter. Like 169 00:09:19.440 --> 00:09:21.840 I said, we came from a Catholic family. If you 170 00:09:21.879 --> 00:09:24.200 come from a Catholic family, you just do this stuff 171 00:09:24.200 --> 00:09:27.720 in ritualism. You don't do it because it's a personal relationship. 172 00:09:27.960 --> 00:09:29.960 You just do it because that's what you do. So 173 00:09:30.000 --> 00:09:33.600 we went to what church a couple times, maybe, you know, 174 00:09:33.679 --> 00:09:36.320 for Christmas at the midnight service, that sort of thing. 175 00:09:36.399 --> 00:09:38.679 So I had really no background with any of that. 176 00:09:39.679 --> 00:09:42.080 But what really brought me to God was a dream. 177 00:09:42.240 --> 00:09:45.840 And this is what I've shared before, this is my testimony. 178 00:09:45.960 --> 00:09:48.720 So in this dream, I was walking outside of school 179 00:09:48.720 --> 00:09:51.519 with one of my friends and a beautiful car came 180 00:09:51.600 --> 00:09:53.639 screaming down the road and I looked at the car 181 00:09:53.679 --> 00:09:55.559 and the dream and this dreams is really as me 182 00:09:55.600 --> 00:09:58.240 and you here. And so when I see in that car, 183 00:09:58.320 --> 00:09:59.919 I looked at it and I went to turn back 184 00:10:00.120 --> 00:10:02.480 my friend to say, hey, check this out. And my 185 00:10:02.639 --> 00:10:05.559 friend was no longer my friend. It was a dark figure, 186 00:10:06.039 --> 00:10:09.759 massive dark figure, and it said, before you get the God, 187 00:10:09.799 --> 00:10:14.080 I'll tear you, your family and your friends apart. Woke up, 188 00:10:14.440 --> 00:10:17.720 woke up immediately, cold, sweat that whole thing, you know, 189 00:10:17.879 --> 00:10:21.480 just wide awake for the next couple of days. I 190 00:10:21.519 --> 00:10:24.159 was like, what was he talking, Like what was this 191 00:10:24.240 --> 00:10:27.240 thing referring to? Because I don't I don't believe in God. 192 00:10:27.799 --> 00:10:31.519 It made a declaration against my life. So what it 193 00:10:31.600 --> 00:10:35.120 kicked me into was the studying and researching and the 194 00:10:35.200 --> 00:10:39.000 finding out what could really prevent this thing from coming back, 195 00:10:39.080 --> 00:10:42.120 because it was real, man, you know, I hear some 196 00:10:42.159 --> 00:10:45.120 of the like near death experiences people talking about that, 197 00:10:45.639 --> 00:10:47.720 and it was as real as that was. Like I 198 00:10:47.840 --> 00:10:51.759 was just there in a different reality. And you know, 199 00:10:51.919 --> 00:10:53.879 if you've ever had that dream where you're about to 200 00:10:53.879 --> 00:10:56.480 bite into that hamburger and you wake up and you're like, 201 00:10:56.519 --> 00:11:00.440 where the heck's the hamburger? That was that dream. And 202 00:11:00.879 --> 00:11:04.120 so it kicked me into a full tilt research. I 203 00:11:04.399 --> 00:11:09.759 researched Buddha, I researched Krishna, I researched Muhammad. None of 204 00:11:09.799 --> 00:11:12.679 them told you how to deal with this stuff. Nothing 205 00:11:12.759 --> 00:11:14.879 told you how to deal with it. When I got 206 00:11:14.919 --> 00:11:17.799 to Jesus, I've read all the stories about him commanding 207 00:11:17.879 --> 00:11:21.720 demons into swine, casting out sicknesses, and I'm like, this 208 00:11:21.840 --> 00:11:24.519 man is the only one that had any power. What's 209 00:11:24.600 --> 00:11:28.799 the story here? And that got me into Christianity. It 210 00:11:28.879 --> 00:11:31.519 locked me in. I had some happenings happen to get 211 00:11:31.519 --> 00:11:34.279 me into the church that I went to, and man, 212 00:11:34.360 --> 00:11:38.039 the blood of Jesus saved my life. That thing chased 213 00:11:38.039 --> 00:11:40.840 me into its enemies camp. And I heard this said 214 00:11:41.279 --> 00:11:43.440 I think it was from Rich on a different podcast, 215 00:11:43.480 --> 00:11:45.639 and he said I had a friend and he said, 216 00:11:45.799 --> 00:11:48.279 you know, I had a buddy in high school who 217 00:11:48.440 --> 00:11:51.360 went to the old gods, the Norse gods, and he 218 00:11:51.360 --> 00:11:55.039 said he had this vision of Jesus embracing him, but 219 00:11:55.120 --> 00:11:58.559 these things just put their hands on his shoulder. And 220 00:11:58.600 --> 00:12:01.200 for me, that's exactly what happen. Happened in this moment, 221 00:12:01.519 --> 00:12:05.200 is this thing chased me into the enemy's camp and 222 00:12:05.279 --> 00:12:08.799 it was Jesus. Jesus saved me. I had encounters with 223 00:12:09.159 --> 00:12:13.200 the hat man, shadow people. I've encounters with my bed 224 00:12:13.240 --> 00:12:18.399 being shaken, dressers, shaken, doppel gangers, you name it. In 225 00:12:18.440 --> 00:12:22.960 the woods. I've had encounters. I have had countless amounts 226 00:12:22.960 --> 00:12:25.840 of encounters. God speaks to me pretty regularly. I hear 227 00:12:25.919 --> 00:12:29.159 the voice and then I hear the other voices that 228 00:12:29.240 --> 00:12:31.720 whisper back to me. And this is what I mean. 229 00:12:31.840 --> 00:12:34.919 I was touched by the dark. I was practicing witchcraft. 230 00:12:35.159 --> 00:12:38.120 You know. I believe it led to a huge health 231 00:12:38.159 --> 00:12:41.320 issue with my mother at an early age. And I 232 00:12:41.399 --> 00:12:44.240 you know, all throughout my family's line, each of the 233 00:12:44.360 --> 00:12:47.360 kids of my brothers, stuff like that, have fallen into 234 00:12:47.399 --> 00:12:52.159 some sort of witchcraft or sorcery. And for me, when 235 00:12:52.159 --> 00:12:54.639 I was talking to God about my son who's adopted, 236 00:12:54.759 --> 00:12:57.200 he's not my blood, which is beautiful. I love this 237 00:12:57.360 --> 00:13:00.279 God grafted him in and I know this. 238 00:13:00.320 --> 00:13:03.039 That he hadiles, by the way. 239 00:13:03.159 --> 00:13:06.720 That's right, yes, amen. And I don't mean to just 240 00:13:06.840 --> 00:13:08.320 keep rambling. You tell me this stuff. 241 00:13:08.360 --> 00:13:09.960 Oh you keep going, man. I want to hear your story. 242 00:13:09.960 --> 00:13:11.080 I want them to hear your story. 243 00:13:11.480 --> 00:13:14.000 And this is crazy. You know. We were in the 244 00:13:14.080 --> 00:13:17.360 mall and we were by Spencer's or Fye when it 245 00:13:17.440 --> 00:13:20.600 was still open, and we walked in and I knew, 246 00:13:20.879 --> 00:13:23.159 I just you know, it's so surreal. When you deal 247 00:13:23.200 --> 00:13:26.879 with patterns and witchcraft, you recognize things that normal Christians 248 00:13:26.960 --> 00:13:30.320 just don't. They just don't see patterns because the whole 249 00:13:30.360 --> 00:13:33.120 thing in witchcraft is patterns. Anyways, with us being said, 250 00:13:33.120 --> 00:13:36.360 he walked into Fye and I watched him, and I 251 00:13:36.480 --> 00:13:40.200 seen Luigi Boards standing just right there, and I had 252 00:13:40.240 --> 00:13:42.759 like the scream face, ghost face, all these you know, 253 00:13:42.799 --> 00:13:46.440 the macob things, and I'm like, I'm just going to 254 00:13:46.480 --> 00:13:48.639 watch to see what I have. He walked around that 255 00:13:48.720 --> 00:13:52.399 whole store for about twenty minutes, didn't touch one single 256 00:13:52.519 --> 00:13:55.039 thing we're walking out of the store and he stops. 257 00:13:55.080 --> 00:13:57.200 He looks over and he grabs the Ouiji board out 258 00:13:57.240 --> 00:14:01.399 of nowhere, and I'm like, it's at him too. So 259 00:14:01.440 --> 00:14:03.960 we're walking down and we walked past Spencer's and one 260 00:14:03.960 --> 00:14:06.879 of the signs in the windows cuts off and collapses, 261 00:14:07.320 --> 00:14:09.759 and I'm like, whatever this is, it's sort of following. 262 00:14:10.360 --> 00:14:12.840 So you know, for me, you pick up on that 263 00:14:12.879 --> 00:14:16.080 type of stuff very regularly. And I remember praying to 264 00:14:16.120 --> 00:14:18.279 God saying, how are we going to deal with this? 265 00:14:18.799 --> 00:14:21.120 What am I going to do to keep my boy, 266 00:14:21.240 --> 00:14:23.679 who is not my blood, but he is my boy, 267 00:14:24.519 --> 00:14:26.960 he has my name? How am I going to keep 268 00:14:27.000 --> 00:14:29.840 this from reaching him and keep this out of his generation? 269 00:14:29.960 --> 00:14:31.919 And this is what God spoke to me in that moment. 270 00:14:31.960 --> 00:14:34.240 He said, We're going to let the enemy in the 271 00:14:34.279 --> 00:14:37.960 gate and close the gates behind him. For me, there 272 00:14:38.039 --> 00:14:41.360 wasn't a more powerful statement that could be made. Because 273 00:14:41.399 --> 00:14:44.200 we teach our kids, we teach everybody to stay away, 274 00:14:44.240 --> 00:14:47.240 stay away, stay away. But what God was speaking in 275 00:14:47.279 --> 00:14:51.240 this moment is teach them these things and teach them, 276 00:14:51.600 --> 00:14:54.120 you know, to stay away from it. Teach them why 277 00:14:54.159 --> 00:14:57.559 God is more powerful than these things. Teach them how 278 00:14:57.600 --> 00:15:01.200 to handle these things. Early. What you do there is 279 00:15:01.240 --> 00:15:04.120 you invite the enemy in and then you choke them out. 280 00:15:04.320 --> 00:15:06.000 And that was great advice. 281 00:15:06.159 --> 00:15:06.399 Man. 282 00:15:06.519 --> 00:15:09.879 I was like, this is crazy stuff, and you know 283 00:15:10.039 --> 00:15:12.639 that's not a normal Christian way of thinking. We're taught 284 00:15:12.720 --> 00:15:14.279 to run from these things, and. 285 00:15:14.240 --> 00:15:16.039 That's farmer tactics, you know. I mean I grew up 286 00:15:16.080 --> 00:15:18.200 on a farm. I remember my papa. Every time we'd 287 00:15:18.200 --> 00:15:21.480 get a new animal, he would always hook it up 288 00:15:21.519 --> 00:15:24.679 and walk it around the borderlines of the fences, and 289 00:15:24.720 --> 00:15:26.759 he would take their nose and take them to each side, 290 00:15:26.799 --> 00:15:29.840 each corner and touch their nose that fence and pop them. 291 00:15:30.360 --> 00:15:31.240 Get out here. 292 00:15:31.600 --> 00:15:33.759 And as a kid, I was like, that's so cruel. 293 00:15:33.840 --> 00:15:34.159 Papa. 294 00:15:34.320 --> 00:15:37.159 He's like, oh, yes, you just showing them their boundaries. 295 00:15:37.240 --> 00:15:39.840 And what will happen if they tried to get out 296 00:15:39.840 --> 00:15:42.279 of those boundaries? He says to all the animals, I 297 00:15:42.320 --> 00:15:45.000 do this too. Never try to escape, he said. Even 298 00:15:45.000 --> 00:15:48.120 when I set the electric fence down to drive my 299 00:15:48.279 --> 00:15:49.960 truck in and out of here, he said, they will 300 00:15:50.120 --> 00:15:52.360 never get near the boundaries. 301 00:15:53.080 --> 00:15:53.279 Wow. 302 00:15:53.320 --> 00:15:57.320 So it's like, you know, even what's his name, Jordan 303 00:15:57.320 --> 00:15:59.919 Peterson and his book The Twelve Rules of life. You know, 304 00:16:00.399 --> 00:16:02.399 one of the rules I loved that kind of correlates 305 00:16:02.440 --> 00:16:07.559 to this was leave skateboarding children alone. So yeah, yeah, 306 00:16:07.600 --> 00:16:10.600 you might want to pad your kids up and helmets 307 00:16:10.600 --> 00:16:12.919 and elbow pads, knee pads, bubble wrap that way they 308 00:16:12.919 --> 00:16:15.200 don't get hurt because you love them. But they're never 309 00:16:15.279 --> 00:16:17.919 going to learn if they're not getting hurt, So you 310 00:16:18.039 --> 00:16:21.559 have to step back and let them fall, let them 311 00:16:21.559 --> 00:16:24.080 break some arms and some legs and get scraped up, 312 00:16:24.159 --> 00:16:27.240 because they learned to persevere, they learned to get up, 313 00:16:27.320 --> 00:16:30.159 they learned to avoid those type situations in the future. 314 00:16:30.600 --> 00:16:34.919 So yeah, in this whole spirituality thing, it's like you 315 00:16:34.960 --> 00:16:37.600 can love your kids to and spoil them rotten and 316 00:16:37.720 --> 00:16:40.279 shelter them so bad that when real life hits they 317 00:16:40.279 --> 00:16:42.279 don't know what to do, and the same thing goes 318 00:16:42.320 --> 00:16:43.480 with your spirituality. 319 00:16:43.519 --> 00:16:48.080 I believe one hundred percent that was beautiful. I never 320 00:16:48.120 --> 00:16:51.440 heard that before, never heard that. That's why this is 321 00:16:51.480 --> 00:16:54.039 what I love about podcasts, this is what I love, 322 00:16:54.240 --> 00:16:58.159 especially about dealing with new people on new platforms. I 323 00:16:58.159 --> 00:17:00.759 would have never known that. Why would God tell me 324 00:17:01.080 --> 00:17:03.919 to do that? And in my logical mind, I wanted 325 00:17:03.919 --> 00:17:07.519 to go let them in the gate. Yes, let him 326 00:17:07.559 --> 00:17:10.799 in the gate and allow him to come and allow 327 00:17:10.880 --> 00:17:13.920 those enemies to come in and close that gate behind them. 328 00:17:14.200 --> 00:17:17.200 I had no idea what that representation meant. I just 329 00:17:17.240 --> 00:17:20.200 figured the trojan horse. But I know it's a trojan horse. 330 00:17:20.240 --> 00:17:24.960 I know what it is. But the teacher boundaries, that's wild. 331 00:17:25.319 --> 00:17:29.880 That is a wild concept. Never in my years since 332 00:17:29.960 --> 00:17:32.839 that happened, have I ever thought of that or heard 333 00:17:32.839 --> 00:17:34.000 anyone talk about that. 334 00:17:34.599 --> 00:17:37.200 Wow, that's pretty crazy logic. 335 00:17:38.160 --> 00:17:38.559 What's that? 336 00:17:39.119 --> 00:17:41.440 He'll be logic, he'll belly logic. 337 00:17:41.519 --> 00:17:46.319 There we go. But you know what, that's pretty wild stuff. Man. 338 00:17:47.319 --> 00:17:50.039 I almost want to write that down because now I'm 339 00:17:50.039 --> 00:17:53.119 going to add that in because that's another layer. This 340 00:17:53.160 --> 00:17:56.480 is the beautiful point. But I think for many Christians, 341 00:17:56.519 --> 00:17:59.359 you know, even if you don't have a great, crazy 342 00:17:59.440 --> 00:18:02.880 testimony or something that's like that, you still have a 343 00:18:02.960 --> 00:18:06.759 testimony you can share the gospel with. And I encourage 344 00:18:06.839 --> 00:18:10.599 everybody listening. Know your testimony, man, and share it, share 345 00:18:10.599 --> 00:18:13.759 it regularly. I just happened to have a very dark one. 346 00:18:14.559 --> 00:18:17.319 I'm not proud of that testimony. It was something I 347 00:18:17.319 --> 00:18:20.039 didn't know any better. It was something that clung to 348 00:18:20.119 --> 00:18:25.160 my bloodline. And if you heard my genealogy, it would 349 00:18:25.200 --> 00:18:28.480 absolutely rattle you. I don't like sharing that because I 350 00:18:28.519 --> 00:18:31.279 have a lot of family members, and once they all disappear, 351 00:18:31.400 --> 00:18:34.799 I'll share it, but I don't want to throw anybody 352 00:18:34.880 --> 00:18:39.519 under those buses. But literally, the name, the maiden name 353 00:18:39.640 --> 00:18:44.119 is Blazing Witches. That's the name made a name of 354 00:18:44.200 --> 00:18:48.240 my mother's line, and so for me, you know, if 355 00:18:48.279 --> 00:18:50.640 you get to know them, you would see very quickly 356 00:18:51.200 --> 00:18:55.839 it could fit that representation. You know, big lines, so 357 00:18:56.000 --> 00:18:59.279 a tie in families, Cicily, that whole ord deal. We 358 00:18:59.359 --> 00:19:00.559 got a lot going on there. 359 00:19:01.039 --> 00:19:03.920 But you are now generational curses straight up. Because I 360 00:19:03.960 --> 00:19:06.480 remember when I heard your testing, if I remember correctly, 361 00:19:08.240 --> 00:19:10.799 you had to had an experience with your mother like 362 00:19:10.839 --> 00:19:13.279 your mother might have been. If I remember, I was 363 00:19:13.319 --> 00:19:15.440 dealing with, you know, dabbling this kind of stuff, and 364 00:19:15.480 --> 00:19:18.480 there was some kind of really scary like supernatural thing 365 00:19:18.559 --> 00:19:21.920 that happened in the home. Remember that correctly. 366 00:19:22.720 --> 00:19:26.240 So she wasn't dabbling herself. I was dabbling in all 367 00:19:26.279 --> 00:19:28.880 of this. I'm the one bringing this in. So the 368 00:19:28.880 --> 00:19:31.440 pattern that I picked up in my family is it's 369 00:19:31.519 --> 00:19:34.920 never and this is important in these stories. It was 370 00:19:35.000 --> 00:19:38.319 never the parents dabbling. It's always their children, and it 371 00:19:38.359 --> 00:19:43.920 affects directly the parents, and it throws everything in the chaos. 372 00:19:43.920 --> 00:19:46.559 And I've seen this happen in my family probably ten 373 00:19:46.640 --> 00:19:50.039 times now. I have a large family. And you know, 374 00:19:50.119 --> 00:19:52.720 as soon as I get wind that someone's playing with crystals, 375 00:19:52.720 --> 00:19:56.799 someone's doing tarot cards, someone's playing with weedgi boards, someone's whatever, 376 00:19:57.240 --> 00:20:00.559 I'm like, get that garbage out of your house now. 377 00:20:00.799 --> 00:20:04.839 Don't entertain demons. We don't throw pearls to swines, We 378 00:20:04.920 --> 00:20:08.359 don't bring in garbage to you know, a godly environment. 379 00:20:08.599 --> 00:20:11.160 Don't do it, don't let your kids do it, stay 380 00:20:11.160 --> 00:20:14.920 away from it. Do whatever you can to avoid having 381 00:20:14.960 --> 00:20:18.400 crystals around you. And I tell people this constantly because 382 00:20:18.440 --> 00:20:21.640 it creates chaos. I have endless stories of rose quartz 383 00:20:21.720 --> 00:20:24.880 creating chaos in people's lives, and it's usually brain injuries 384 00:20:24.880 --> 00:20:27.920 that happens from them. People have no idea that wear 385 00:20:27.920 --> 00:20:31.240 it around the wrist. Are you insane? This stuff is 386 00:20:31.279 --> 00:20:34.359 believed to be parts of the fallen. That's the belief 387 00:20:34.440 --> 00:20:38.200 of it now, and you know it's used for ritualistic basis. 388 00:20:38.200 --> 00:20:41.559 So yeah, with my mom, she was on her deathbed, 389 00:20:41.720 --> 00:20:44.839 she's seeing thirty three doctors up to that point. And 390 00:20:45.359 --> 00:20:48.119 you know, I'm practicing and doing all these things in 391 00:20:48.160 --> 00:20:51.119 the woods, and I'm like, and there's a triple thumb rule, right, 392 00:20:51.200 --> 00:20:54.920 So you're doing all this stuff, and when you perform 393 00:20:55.000 --> 00:20:57.559 stuff wrong, when you don't know what you're doing and 394 00:20:57.599 --> 00:20:59.759 you're not mentored, and you know that's why you know 395 00:20:59.839 --> 00:21:01.960 the skull of wizardry and all this stuff. You have 396 00:21:02.039 --> 00:21:05.480 got to be taught this properly. And I'm not encouraging 397 00:21:05.559 --> 00:21:07.319 anyone to learn it. 398 00:21:08.319 --> 00:21:09.119 I've never heard that. 399 00:21:09.440 --> 00:21:12.599 So the triple thumberle is if you misperform a spell, 400 00:21:13.240 --> 00:21:16.720 this demon, this entity, this deity, whatever you're dealing with, 401 00:21:16.839 --> 00:21:20.680