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Speaker 1: Thousands of people have mysteriously vanished in America's wilderness. Join

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us as we dive into the deep end of the

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unexplainable world and try to piece together what happened.

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Speaker 2: And you are listening to Locations Unknown. O, what's up everybody?

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And welcome back to another episode of Locations Unknown. I'm

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your co host Joe Erat and with me is always

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This is a guy who always knows where Tay is

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gonna wander Next. Mike van Bogart.

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Speaker 3: Oh, thank you, Joe, and thank you to all of

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our amazing listeners for tuning in. Just a few updates

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before we get going. First, I'd like to thank our

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new patron supporters. We have Emily Happy and Cheryl Yankovic. So,

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oh is she related to weird Al I don't know, maybe,

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maybe not. It might be Cheryl Yankovic probably probably awesome.

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Today's episode is gonna be a little bit unique where

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we're just doing an interview with Taylor Hutchinson from Tay wanders.

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was we Actually it's a really cool interview. She has

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some incredible stories. She has been basically living on the

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road and creating content and she's been selling a lot

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of her content to brands and different places around the country,

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and she's got tons of stories. She's traveling around with

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us her six year old daughter, and we had a

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really it was a really great interview. We're going to

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try and do more of these once in a while,

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interview creators and other people that are not specifically related

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to missing people, but kind of wilderness, wilderness adjacent, absolutely

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just wilderness story telling me. Yeah, because she is living

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a life I wish I could just traveling around in

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a truck, hiking in national parks. Yeah, that sounds amazing.

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the inside baseball of the work that goes into being

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a creator, how it happens, how does someone become that

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it's very interesting, some funny stories of where she's been

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spotted by fans, and we're recording this intro after and

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she neglected to tell a pretty incredible story, So we're

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actually going to have her back on and we're hoping

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to maybe this will help push her when she's in

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the field next Yes, we want to try and do

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something live from the field and she's going to tell

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a really incredible story of something that happened to her.

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Speaker 3: So, yeah, it was an accident that it didn't come up,

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and I guess you know, I'm kind of glad it

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didn't because now we can talk to her again down

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the road. That was the universe telling us not to

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do it just yet. What else?

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Speaker 2: I don't have my notes in front of me. So

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the holidays just happened. If you're celebrating Christmas, that was yesterday.

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So Merry Christmas and happy holidays to everybody. But please

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tune in, pay attention and go ahead like and subscribe,

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follow Tay Wanders on all the socials and he's really cool.

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Speaker 3: She puts out great content she does. And then we'll

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probably be back, I would say, maybe the second week

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of January.

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two weeks. It's actually the standard time. Yeah, it's pretty standard.

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second week. Well, we'll talk to you next year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, everybody, here we go with our interview

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with Tay Wanders. Today we are sitting down with Tay

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a Southern girl turned road warrior, storyteller and adventurer who

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approaches travel with confidence, intention and grounded, faith centered perspective.

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She's a single mom, content creator and avid explorer who

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creates storytelling, lead, outdoor and travel content designed to help

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women step into adventure feeling prepared and empowered. Through destination inspiration,

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practical safety guidance, and detailed itineraries, Tay helps make big,

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beautiful places feel accessible instead of intimidating. What started is

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traveling out of her truck during COVID quickly turned into

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a full scale business. By working remotely, She's built a

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lifestyle that allows her to stay present with her daughter

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while giving her first hand experience of the world from

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a young age. Tay's story is about taking calculated risks,

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trusting yourself, and realizing that adventure doesn't have to wait

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for someday. We're excited to dive into her journey and

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how it all came together and what she's learned along

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the way. Tay Welcome to locations unknown? Yeah, welcome? Is

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that the first time someone's read your intro to you?

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about yourself and we'll go into some questions and learn

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Well, I'm Tay.

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prefer an app, it's the same content. I travel the

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US right now, and well, I guess North America with

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Speaker 5: Who is right here right now.

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Speaker 5: Like to hike and just be outdoors.

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to educate people on how to get to these places

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safely because safety is like a big thing, which is

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education on how to access places and what you should

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have with you, and it's it's actually changed a lot

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my friends were into it and we just run around

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road tripping around in my truck. And because I had

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Speaker 2: I did visit your website and it's really well put together.

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in your short vase it looks amazing and like it's

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to take where, which gives me a direction. But also

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they know where I'm at at all times, especially my dad,

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because he's like very good at technology maps and like

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being like, oh okay, if something goes wrong, he.

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Speaker 5: Knows how to get something done. I trust to find but.

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Speaker 4: No, It'll typically start with like I'll see like a

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picture of something of a place, and it'll so well

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from now there, I use like Pinterest a lot of time,

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which seems kind of I guess, I don't know, maybe

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counterinto it, but I feel like I find the best

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off the beaten path things through like Pinterests, and I'll

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just like type in the name of the location and

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then go through blog posts that way, and that's how

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or like random things that I may not have found

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by just typing it in like a Google search. In

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terms of like reparation, because I was doing a lot

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of like truck based stuff before then, so I would

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always clean out my truck. I wanted to clean slate.

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That way, I knew exactly where everything was. It was

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like a complete reorganization making sure I had a way

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to be connected if I was off grid. So I

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have a wee boost and I have a star length.

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Both are permanently mounted to my truck. I have a

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power grid system. I have solar for that, and I

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also have a way to charge it through my truck.

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I typically carry like extra gas case of water. I'll

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send water filters because a lot of the places I

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go are off grid or like kind of an excess

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where like.

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Speaker 5: It's not like, oh I'm out of water. I gonna

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run to the store, Like I kind of want to

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be prepared.

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Speaker 4: As much as I can. Yeah, so that's kind of

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like the planning process prep once I'm on a trip.

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I try to stick with my plan as much as possible,

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but also being flexible as a really big thing. And

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while to learn about. Like okay, like whether it's going

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to affect things, or car troubles are gonna affect things,

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or random things can happen and you just kind of

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have to will end up to go with it.

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Speaker 3: You just got to roll the punches exactly. Your your

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truck sounds pretty interesting. I I'll be honest, I follow

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some creators on YouTube that are not creators as far

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as like hiking type creators, but I they basically there's

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this one guy in Alaska who like retrofitted his truck

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with a living space on the back and he he

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basically h lived in the wilderness in Alaska for like

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a year from his truck and he just kind of

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films every day of life like on the road in

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his truck. And it's it's he's got all the amenities

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of like a full house in this truck and uh,

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it's yeah, it sounds like you could. You could almost

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have a second channel where you just like film your

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days on the road in this truck. And I think

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a lot of people would watch that too.

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Speaker 5: It's a very unique way of doing things.

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Speaker 4: The term is technically overlanding, but a lot of people

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like which referred to like car camping or car living.

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Speaker 5: It's like it's like van life, but it's I don't know, it's.

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Speaker 3: Kind of a little bit more hardcore.

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Speaker 5: A little bit. Yeah, that's all I was gonna say.

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Speaker 2: So, speaking of that, have you ever ran into major

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issues that while you're while you're way out there on backup?

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Speaker 5: I was gonna say, what kind of what kind of

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issues you're talking.

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Speaker 3: Like car trouble, car truck, I would say car trouble.

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Speaker 2: So if you're out in a in a very remote spot,

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like the type of area where you need your extra water,

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you need your extra gas, did anything ever happen where

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you were worried about maybe not being able to get

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back out your on your own.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, thankfully I haven't had in like a situation where

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I'm stranded overnight, and I'm grateful for that, but I

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feel like it's abound half in its own point. We

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definitely had incidents where like I'm writing with the group

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and someone breaks down and we're like a three hour

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trail takes twelve plus hours and we're driving off at midnight,

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and like that kind of stuff. I've definitely had cases

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where like I didn't stick to my own rules of camping,

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which like one of them is like arrived at my

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camp site in the daylight and I was chased through

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the desert in Utah and it was kind of terrifying. Yeah,

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I was like, oh my god, I'm going to die

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on podcast.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be not good. No, So I I

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have a question. So I always wonder people if they

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are so when we're hiking. We've always joked that sometimes

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we're more afraid of maybe some of the people we

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might interact without in the wilderness instead of the animals.

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And I was just wondering if if you feel the

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same way, or if you've come across some interesting characters

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while you've been out hiking. I know Joe and I

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have yes, and we've also come across grizzlies, and I

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gotta say I'm probably a little more uh, a little

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more scared of the people we've come across. So I

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don't know, what's what's your take on that.

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Speaker 5: I would definitely say I'll take I'll take the bear

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any day.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: No, I've encountered some scary people. I've I definitely go

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equipped to protect myself. I also have a big dog,

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like I'm Jepper and she's like super protection driven. I

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think that between those two things, I get a lot

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of confidence to like adventure solo. But I can't say

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without those I would be like.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, okay, Yeah, he came across where was that

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we were at where we It was Zion, No, it

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was Blm Lands in Utah and this guy came out

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of the wilderness.

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Speaker 2: Yeah okay. We were at Zion and this was a

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different hike. Yeah, yes, okay, and we were in the

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name Splinter Splinter, and he was I think he was crazy.

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He told us that Disney had stole a bunch of

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songs that he wrote, and all we were all kind

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of like we had our hands on our knives, like

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ready to defend ourselves. He literally, we're in the desert

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and we're the only ones out there, and he just

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came from the bushes, just wide at us.

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Speaker 3: It was like there hard, there was no sign that

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someone else was there. We were the only people for miles.

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He just was like there. He was there telling us

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about how Disney stole his ideas. Yeah. So yeah, we've

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we've come across some interesting people. I came across a

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nudist colony in the island of Kwai. When you're hiking,

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that sounds so scary in a different way. Yeah. These

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people just lived out in the jungle, off the grid,

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and they had their own little like town. They had

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a library and a farm, and they they they would

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get kicked out by the state every couple of years,

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and the state would come in there and tear everything down,

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and then as soon as they were gone, they were

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all back in there, like like within thirty minutes, they

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were back in there setting their town back up. So bizarre, Yeah,

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very weird. And they all drink this psychedelic mushroom soup,

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so they would drink it at night and just they

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would all be tripping out, like, sign me up, I'm in.

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Speaker 2: That sounds fantastic, sounds like an experience, yeah, exactly. So

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one thing, well along those lines, traveling by yourself, especially

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with maybe your own daughter. That takes a lot of confidence,

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a lot of I mean, i'd say, yeah, I mean

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the best word is confidence.

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Speaker 3: Did you always have that?

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Speaker 2: Were you just the type of person would go out

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and do that or is this something you had to

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really push yourself to do.

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Speaker 5: I've had to push myself.

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Speaker 4: I'm very like anxious and I like think, I think

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the world's just a very sketchy place sometimes. But I'm like, okay,

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I get one life, and I can either live in

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that fear, I can do it scared, and so like

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my big one of my mottos is just like it scared.

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It's not that deep. Realistically, the chance of something happening

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to pretty slim. Just be prepared as you can. And

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I'd rather live life than like know, I'm maximizing experiences

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than like sit where it's safe.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So that's that's maybe a good a good line. What's

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something that you would say you were maybe scared of

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early on that now is like second nature to you,

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that like doesn't bug you as much anymore when you

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look back at it.

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Speaker 4: In my tent alone, really, I it was like such

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a weird thing because I'm like way off the ground.

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I can I can walk myself in. I don't like

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how my tent system is on my truck. I can

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act that sit through the bed of the truck. There's

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like a hatch inside so I can lock the tailgate,

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I can lock the doors. Like there's no ladder outside.

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No one can just like easily climb up in my

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tent with me. But I saw the sphere that like

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there's something since someone was gonna come up while I

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was up there. And then I encountered a couple of

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weird people, and I encountered a really really big bear

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that kept coming to my campsite like multiple nights in

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a row.

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Speaker 5: And after that, I was like, Wow, this is the

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worst that could happen.

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Speaker 3: It's not.

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Speaker 5: Like it's okay, I'm locked up in my tent. I

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have my dog, Like it's really not that deep.

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Speaker 3: Yeah that's cool. That's cool.

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Speaker 2: So what do you think is like a thing that

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would I would say hold most women back from taking

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their first soul adventure.

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Speaker 4: I would say fear, like give a whole man versus

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baar thing. I think a lot of women are just

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afraid of what men can do.

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Speaker 5: I not something I super.

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Speaker 4: Talk about, but I've like been in a couple of

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relationships with very scary men, and it took me a

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little while to overcome that.

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Speaker 5: That's where I was always. That was where a lot

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of my fear came from.

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Speaker 4: Was I was like, Okay, I've been on the on

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the recipient end of like some terrifying people and terrified.

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Speaker 5: Of it happening again. But I don't know.

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Speaker 4: At some point, you just got to live your life

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and you can't let past experiences or potential experiences stop you.

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That's again where I just talk about being prepared. I

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always have bear spray, I always have knives. Like I said,

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I have my dog, which gives me a lot of assurance,

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and just being as prepared as you can be. Also

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having my starlink, who has given me a lot of

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like mental reassurance. I'm like, okay, I could call for

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help in the instance I needed to, and I could

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just turn it off if I wanted to be disconnected,

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which I don't like the idea that I can just

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make a phone call really easily if I needed to,

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But I don't know.

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Speaker 5: Just doing it.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, that's really inspirational. Have you talked a lot about

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that on your platform. I haven't watched all of your

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content obviously, but that just seems like something that would

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help potential people either honestly, maybe people that have been

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in a situation like yours to like try something rediscover

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their own life, to get out there and do something

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bold and fun and new that might help them.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I have some I was probably my older content,

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but I plan to make that more part of like

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the rebrand. So going forward into twenty twenty six, I'm

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planning to focus on like more adventure, confidence driven content,

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so talk that's where I'm gonna died really be more

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into safety gear preparation, knowing where you're gonna go, having

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like an itinerary recommendations for what's safe, because like, as

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someone who's again been on the wrong end of that,

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I feel like I could speak a lot into women

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who are like afraid of that happening or happening again.

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Speaker 2: That's really great and maybe this will serve as a

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little bit of that kickoff. What is half of our

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audience women?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's almost like over now over half majority women

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really in like I would say twenty to forty five.

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Speaker 2: Okay, there you go, So this could be the start

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of your twenty twenty six Confidence Kickoff for Traveling.

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Speaker 3: Joe and I were shocked when we once when early

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on we didn't have enough listeners to really have the

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00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:07,599
kind of data. But now that we've been doing this

479
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:11,559
for so long and we've gotten bigger, I was I

480
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:16,799
was kind of shocked our demographic. I didn't know. I

481
00:23:16,799 --> 00:23:19,519
guess we didn't think they'd relate to us. Yeah, not that,

482
00:23:19,599 --> 00:23:21,119
not that they relate to us.

483
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 2: It's that's why we brought on I'm blanking on their

484
00:23:24,279 --> 00:23:28,160
name now the podcast we have Crime Off the Grid,

485
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,400
Crime Off the Grand, Off the Off the Trails, Off

486
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:33,240
the Trails, that's what it is. We're like, we really

487
00:23:33,279 --> 00:23:37,039
should get some like women who are doing stuff to do,

488
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,119
like if we're gonna do this network to like cater

489
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,480
to their demographic. And yeah, surprisingly a lot of a

490
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,039
lot of women listen to our show.

491
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,319
Speaker 3: And I think, yeah, just I mean, I feel like

492
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,279
maybe there is some type kind of a stereotype that

493
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,359
maybe women don't do a lot of hiking. But I

494
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:57,480
can tell you from doing our show, I would say

495
00:23:57,599 --> 00:24:00,599
more women are out there hiking than guys, to tell

496
00:24:00,599 --> 00:24:02,799
you the truth. Oh yeah, and a lot of them

497
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,480
solo hike and O are you know are doing far

498
00:24:06,519 --> 00:24:08,640
more than you know a lot of the guys out there.

499
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:10,960
So I was that was something I did not expect

500
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:15,240
when we started the show. But it's, you know, blatantly obvious.

501
00:24:15,279 --> 00:24:17,920
Now this is maybe a good question for you, Tay.

502
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:20,680
So like one of the things I try and do.

503
00:24:20,799 --> 00:24:23,119
Speaker 2: But after doing our show and talking to people like you,

504
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,599
whenever I'm hiking, especially if I come across a solo

505
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:29,200
female hiker, I always like, this is gonna like sound

506
00:24:29,279 --> 00:24:31,359
like performative male stuff. My daughter makes fun of this

507
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,640
type of stuff. But like I always try and be

508
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,240
extra nized to be like, I'm not a threat. What

509
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,599
what's like the best thing you should do? So hey,

510
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:40,640
I don't look like an idiot or come off even

511
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:42,680
creepier because I'm trying not to maybe just say hi

512
00:24:42,759 --> 00:24:43,440
and keep walking.

513
00:24:43,559 --> 00:24:44,440
Speaker 3: I do that.

514
00:24:44,599 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 2: I do that by they engage in conversation. Here's one

515
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,359
thing I do. If they engage in conversation, because a

516
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,680
lot of people I run into our nice, the vast

517
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:53,720
majority of the people I run into our nice, I

518
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,920
immediately talk about my kids and my marriage, like to

519
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,759
like it's almost like I'm not saying I have people

520
00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:02,440
like and that I feel like that brings their their

521
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:04,000
like them into a.

522
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,039
Speaker 3: More calm state. I don't know, you don't really look

523
00:25:06,079 --> 00:25:10,680
like a threatening person. I don't know. I don't know,

524
00:25:10,759 --> 00:25:12,519
you know, if like face tattoos or.

525
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:20,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I feel like, I don't know.

526
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 4: I feel like that maybe every woman's answer might be different.

527
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,519
I feel like if I engage in conversation and find

528
00:25:26,519 --> 00:25:28,400
if they respond. But I feel like if a guy

529
00:25:29,279 --> 00:25:32,400
starts engaging in some type of extended conversation stops me

530
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,680
on the trail, that makes me feel a little nervous,

531
00:25:35,079 --> 00:25:36,720
just because I'm like, Okay, why are you trying to

532
00:25:36,759 --> 00:25:39,000
stop me? Like why are we still?

533
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,400
Speaker 5: But it's interesting because someone asking this earlier today. Actually,

534
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:43,920
I had a guy message me and he's like, you know,

535
00:25:44,039 --> 00:25:46,559
he's like, I don't be offensive, like as a man, like.

536
00:25:46,519 --> 00:25:48,799
Speaker 4: That's the best way to pass a woman on a

537
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:53,359
hiking trails, like listening appreciate that question, I would just say,

538
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:53,680
I don't know.

539
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:54,160
Speaker 5: I told him.

540
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,079
Speaker 4: I was like, I think, you know, like nodding, smiling

541
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,480
and just kind of keep moving is like typically safe

542
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,240
and the like if she engages in like a conversation,

543
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,759
it's a little different. But personally I'm like, okay, if

544
00:26:05,759 --> 00:26:07,920
someone's stopping me, in my brain's and so like going, okay,

545
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,559
why are you stopping me? Why are we in a conversation?

546
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,400
Why won't you let me like continue on my way?

547
00:26:13,519 --> 00:26:16,920
Like my question my mind and soils to like motives.

548
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:18,720
But I'm also like always on the work out.

549
00:26:19,599 --> 00:26:23,680
Speaker 3: Sure, I kind of have the mindset of when I

550
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,839
see other people male or female hiking on the trail,

551
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,599
I kind of just say hi and keep moving unless

552
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:33,279
I see a problem where like maybe they look distressed,

553
00:26:33,799 --> 00:26:36,200
I might stop and talk to them. But yeah, I

554
00:26:36,279 --> 00:26:39,880
try to. I'm kind of thinking like if someone stopped

555
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:43,160
me and started male or female and started talking for

556
00:26:43,279 --> 00:26:46,119
minutes at a time, I might start getting agitated just

557
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,160
because I want to keep hiking. So I kind of

558
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,279
try to think the same, Like, you know, these people

559
00:26:50,279 --> 00:26:52,440
probably don't want to talk to me. I'm just gonna

560
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,200
say hi and keep on moving. See. I love talking.

561
00:26:55,279 --> 00:26:57,519
I love talking to people. That's but that's why I

562
00:26:57,559 --> 00:26:59,960
hold back because I'm usually you know, if you're to

563
00:27:00,039 --> 00:27:02,759
campsite and there's other people camping, maybe I just like

564
00:27:02,799 --> 00:27:04,720
talking to people all the time. Now, park ranger, I

565
00:27:04,759 --> 00:27:06,559
might stop and talk to if I pass a park

566
00:27:06,599 --> 00:27:08,319
ranger on the trail, I kind of I love talking

567
00:27:08,319 --> 00:27:11,279
to park rangers because they all have crazy stories and

568
00:27:11,599 --> 00:27:13,680
oh yeah, they're all super friendly. They all want to

569
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:17,640
talk for the most part. For I have a question

570
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:22,799
for you, actually, how supportive has the park service been

571
00:27:22,839 --> 00:27:27,359
with your recording within the parks or has that even

572
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,960
been an issue for you. I know we've discussed various

573
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,440
projects in the past, and one of the biggest hurdles

574
00:27:33,559 --> 00:27:37,480
is park Service is usually not very friendly to people recording,

575
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,680
like for commercial purposes in the park. So I don't

576
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:45,400
know if you've come across that or if it's not

577
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:46,400
even been an issue.

578
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,599
Speaker 4: I haven't had a problem, but I like the way

579
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,640
I read it on their website is it's kind of

580
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:53,920
like if you're making.

581
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 5: Money off the content, then you can't do it. And

582
00:27:56,799 --> 00:27:59,759
I haven't monetized in the National Parks.

583
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,559
Speaker 4: Feel like, yeah, I'm misunderstanding it, but I'm like, Okay,

584
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:04,440
the great.

585
00:28:04,279 --> 00:28:08,559
Speaker 3: Area, yeah, And I think it maybe it relates to

586
00:28:08,599 --> 00:28:10,799
more of like if you bring a crew in, if

587
00:28:10,839 --> 00:28:13,119
you're just self recording, it's got to be a great area.

588
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 2: Because if you just film a video and you're on Instagram,

589
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,000
and you end up making money from it. It's not

590
00:28:18,039 --> 00:28:21,119
like you went out intentionally technically to do it. And

591
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,559
there's a lot of people that do that. Yes, so okay, exactly.

592
00:28:24,599 --> 00:28:26,680
I was curious, have you ever had a moment on

593
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,000
the road where your gut said nope and you just

594
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,000
abandoned some plan, like there was no reason why you

595
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:33,640
weren't going to go on the trail. But they're like

596
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,079
some feeling came across you, like you know what, not today.

597
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,759
Speaker 4: Absolutely, Actually this happened this summer. So I was going

598
00:28:40,759 --> 00:28:42,440
on like a three month road trip. I was going

599
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,039
to go across the western US and hit multiple states.

600
00:28:45,519 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 5: I got to.

601
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 4: Colorado and my next stop was supposed to be Yosemite,

602
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,359
and I was supposed to go backpacking through Yosemite for

603
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:52,880
like three nights, and I had a group with me.

604
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,759
It wasn't like I was going by myself, and it

605
00:28:55,799 --> 00:28:59,079
was people that I knew, And for some reason, once

606
00:28:59,079 --> 00:29:01,000
I got there, like I just the worst gut feeling

607
00:29:01,039 --> 00:29:02,920
about it, Like to the point I was almost nauseated

608
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,480
and I couldn't explain it. I ended up canceling, and

609
00:29:05,519 --> 00:29:07,200
I like which worked out better for a couple of

610
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:08,880
the other people in the group. But I was just like,

611
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:10,880
I cannot explain it, but I just have a really

612
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,079
terrible feeling about continuing. And I know the past, when

613
00:29:14,119 --> 00:29:16,559
I've like ignored those usually things don't go well.

614
00:29:16,839 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 5: So I don't know.

615
00:29:18,519 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I had that happen this summer, and that's

616
00:29:21,519 --> 00:29:23,640
a big I can just trust your gut. If you're

617
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:27,160
driving and you're going somewhere and something just feels absolutely off,

618
00:29:28,279 --> 00:29:30,839
there's nothing wrong with listening to that. There's a lot

619
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,359
wrong if don't and then something happens.

620
00:29:33,759 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, listen to our show enough. You can just tell

621
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,359
yourself one of those things would have happened. Yeah, I

622
00:29:38,359 --> 00:29:40,880
mean intuition, there is something to that.

623
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:45,319
Speaker 3: I mean I believe in it. Yeah, it's yeah, your

624
00:29:45,359 --> 00:29:48,039
body tells you more than people sometimes tune in for.

625
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,440
And I think it's a universe telling you something. Yes,

626
00:29:51,519 --> 00:29:54,279
all the energy not right, and yeah, you just gotta

627
00:29:54,319 --> 00:29:54,920
call it off.

628
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:56,759
Speaker 5: There's something too.

629
00:29:56,799 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 4: Gut feelings, like we survived as long as we have

630
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,559
because you know, more often than not, listen to those

631
00:30:02,559 --> 00:30:04,960
gut feelings. I'm a big advocate for, like, listen to

632
00:30:05,039 --> 00:30:07,119
your gut what is it telling you, because it's probably right.

633
00:30:07,799 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 3: Now, on a scale of say zero is no risk

634
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,400
in ten is super risky. When you're out on a

635
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:20,200
hike and you're looking for that perfect shot, what's your

636
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:24,400
scale of how risky you're willing to push it to

637
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:28,640
get that one shot or to get that clip or something.

638
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,079
Speaker 5: I don't I have a six year old at home.

639
00:30:32,279 --> 00:30:36,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm a I don't know. I personally play things

640
00:30:36,359 --> 00:30:38,319
probably safer than a lot of people would, but I

641
00:30:38,519 --> 00:30:41,240
just I'm like, Okay, if something happens to me, I'm

642
00:30:41,279 --> 00:30:41,920
all she has.

643
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:43,519
Speaker 5: And so that's always in my mind.

644
00:30:44,279 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 3: Yeah. I used to our group, we had different levels

645
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:52,400
of risk taking with the different guys, and I always try,

646
00:30:52,519 --> 00:30:54,480
you know, I always was the one that kind of

647
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:58,119
tried to bring some of the guys back from doing

648
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,440
the riskier things. But yeah, then that's interesting. And I've

649
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:05,240
noticed you as I've gotten older, I've my level of

650
00:31:05,359 --> 00:31:09,039
risk emily in take has gone down, dropping dramatically as

651
00:31:09,039 --> 00:31:10,839
you get more tired too.

652
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:13,799
Speaker 5: I'm too tired to be injured right now.

653
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, has anyone ever recognized you on the trail since

654
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:19,640
you've been blown up?

655
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,039
Speaker 3: Do you get spotted by people?

656
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,119
Speaker 4: So this is actually kind of funny, Okay, so yes,

657
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,519
it's happened a couple of times. I got recognized last

658
00:31:26,559 --> 00:31:29,400
year in the Teetons. I was like, my truck had

659
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,000
broken down in the tee Tons and it was in

660
00:31:33,039 --> 00:31:34,920
a shop getting repaired. To me and my daughter and

661
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,279
my dog all walked to this like park that was nearby,

662
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:39,640
and this guy is like running down the green lay

663
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:46,039
and also he goes, wait, you're tailor, And I was like, yes, so.

664
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:47,519
Speaker 3: That is that one of those things you don't do

665
00:31:47,599 --> 00:31:48,599
to you on the trail.

666
00:31:49,119 --> 00:31:54,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, well you on Instagram You're awesome. And I was like, okay,

667
00:31:54,519 --> 00:31:55,799
keep it up and kept going.

668
00:31:55,839 --> 00:31:58,519
Speaker 4: And then this summer this is why I'm laughing more so.

669
00:31:59,319 --> 00:32:02,119
I I ended up. I ended up staying in Colorado

670
00:32:02,119 --> 00:32:05,839
while summer instead of finishing my trip just for whatever reason,

671
00:32:06,079 --> 00:32:08,119
again the gut failing thing I just fell off. I

672
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,640
ended up saying Colorado, which was a phenomenal decision. And

673
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:15,359
I worked at a koa to like gap some bills

674
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,920
a little bit, and I was working as a housekeeper.

675
00:32:19,039 --> 00:32:22,240
So we went to the back back bathrooms one day

676
00:32:22,279 --> 00:32:24,799
to like clean the bathrooms and I'm like in one

677
00:32:24,799 --> 00:32:28,680
of the stalls scrubbing toilets because they're like individual And

678
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:30,720
this guy comes up to me and he's like, are

679
00:32:30,799 --> 00:32:31,319
you tailor?

680
00:32:32,559 --> 00:32:39,359
Speaker 5: And I'm like, in a koa yes, And he's like,

681
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,599
I follow you on Instagram. I recognize you from Georgia.

682
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,079
And I was like, this is a terrible time.

683
00:32:46,799 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 3: It is so awesome.

684
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,559
Speaker 2: That's really cool though, it's like the real side of

685
00:32:53,599 --> 00:32:56,200
content creation, Like and you're when you're up and coming,

686
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,279
guess what bills still have to get paid.

687
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just me housekeeping at the king.

688
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 3: That's so awesome. That's funny.

689
00:33:10,079 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 2: That's a great story for when you when you're like

690
00:33:12,079 --> 00:33:14,680
really huge, just you don't have to do that anymore.

691
00:33:15,079 --> 00:33:17,720
It's very humbling. You know, your roots are I think

692
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:19,119
are important to keep you real.

693
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 5: So I was working three jobs. Scrubby toilets is one

694
00:33:24,279 --> 00:33:25,839
of them.

695
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:30,519
Speaker 2: So along your road of content creation, what are some

696
00:33:30,599 --> 00:33:33,000
of the mistakes you made early on that you would

697
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,240
maybe like save me and Mike wanted to do this

698
00:33:35,559 --> 00:33:39,839
full time content creation that is, what are some of

699
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:41,759
the things you did early on that you look back

700
00:33:41,799 --> 00:33:44,200
and are like, you know, that was a bad move,

701
00:33:44,359 --> 00:33:45,920
it would have saved me a lot of time, or

702
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,640
that would just like a path that didn't really amount

703
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:49,119
to anything.

704
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess it's like, specifically for me, one of

705
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:58,200
them be not investing in like a mentor sooner because

706
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,960
I I just attempted to do stuff for about a

707
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:02,920
year and a half before I finally invested in like

708
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:04,680
a mentorship program and then I was like and that

709
00:34:04,759 --> 00:34:06,519
was like literally within a month that was making money

710
00:34:06,559 --> 00:34:06,839
and I.

711
00:34:06,799 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 5: Was like, oh, why did I do this sooner? So

712
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:11,840
like I think investing.

713
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:15,760
Speaker 4: In yourself like resources like books of course, mentor or whatever,

714
00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:18,880
it was a big game changer.

715
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:24,119
Speaker 5: Also, like I had another one. I can't think of

716
00:34:24,119 --> 00:34:25,960
what it was now.

717
00:34:26,159 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 2: Has there been moments where you've questions whether you keep

718
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,519
going down this path because of the hard work.

719
00:34:33,119 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 4: Often I had that moment this summer when I hit

720
00:34:36,519 --> 00:34:38,880
the brakes for a little bit. This summer with my business,

721
00:34:39,119 --> 00:34:41,360
when I was doing the KOI stuff, I just like

722
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,039
I hit burnout. I went through a really bad breakup,

723
00:34:44,159 --> 00:34:46,400
and it just like between those two things, I was

724
00:34:46,679 --> 00:34:50,599
very I needed to do nothing for a while, and

725
00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:52,840
I had some like family things going on, and it's

726
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:54,920
like the mix of everything was just a lot mentally,

727
00:34:56,079 --> 00:34:58,920
and I was really contemplating the summer I was like

728
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,440
I should just im maybe I shouldn't do this anymore.

729
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:07,800
And in August or into August early September, I hosted

730
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,000
a group trip to Yellowstone and with a co host, Goldie.

731
00:35:11,039 --> 00:35:13,719
She was awesome, but everyone who showed up there, who'd

732
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,280
been following me for years on Instagram, they were just like,

733
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:20,000
we're so grateful for what you do, Like it's inspiring,

734
00:35:20,039 --> 00:35:22,760
it's amazing, and they're like you're exactly like what we

735
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:24,960
thought you'd be met you in person, and I was

736
00:35:25,039 --> 00:35:29,039
just like, wow, that's like exactly what I needed to hear,

737
00:35:29,159 --> 00:35:32,639
like doing something right and like I'm not fake. I

738
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,400
always wanted to be authentic. That was like a big, big,

739
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,639
big thing for me personally, and I always want people

740
00:35:37,679 --> 00:35:39,880
to like like you know, you know you like them,

741
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,760
and they say, like, don't meet your heroes because they're

742
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:43,360
a different in person, and I was like, I don't

743
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:44,719
want to be that. I want someone to meet me

744
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,119
and like be exactly who they thought I was. And

745
00:35:47,159 --> 00:35:49,719
like hearing that out loud was just likeness.

746
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 5: That's something, right, That's good. Yeah, there's definite moments.

747
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,079
Speaker 4: There's definitely definitely moments from just like this would be

748
00:35:56,119 --> 00:35:57,840
easier if I just got a regular job.

749
00:35:58,199 --> 00:36:02,039
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, being authentic is really I mean that

750
00:36:02,039 --> 00:36:04,400
that's the key because there's so much, so many people

751
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,440
out there that are really just fake, and people can

752
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:11,239
sense when you're truly authentic. It comes through your photos

753
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:15,320
and your videos, and it's probably why your audience, you know,

754
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,440
loves what you're doing. They are following you because you're

755
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,320
you're probably the exact same person in person with if

756
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,679
you were with them as they view you in the videos,

757
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,400
which is pretty rare in social media. So many people

758
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,880
are just you know, putting on a show and they

759
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,840
don't actually mean it, and they're you know, they're a

760
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:33,480
different person when the camera's off.

761
00:36:34,679 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 5: Yeah.

762
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:36,519
Speaker 4: I've met people who are like that, and then I've

763
00:36:36,519 --> 00:36:39,280
met people who are like exactly like what you'd think,

764
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,880
and I after like the comparisons, it was like, yep,

765
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,519
I want to be the same person online and offline,

766
00:36:44,679 --> 00:36:46,800
Like I don't want them to be questions or doubt.

767
00:36:47,199 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 3: So, do you do anything in any type of routine

768
00:36:49,079 --> 00:36:53,400
or on your trips that help you keep from burning out?

769
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:54,679
Speaker 5: Yes?

770
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 4: So I start my mornings every day, I read my

771
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:01,079
Bible journal, I read a book. I start my mornings

772
00:37:01,159 --> 00:37:03,960
like with quiet, and I always try to, like not

773
00:37:04,039 --> 00:37:06,599
as I always do this, but I always try to

774
00:37:06,639 --> 00:37:08,760
wake up before my daughter's up so I can have

775
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,199
like at least an hour and just like start my

776
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,320
day with like a little bit of silence because that

777
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:15,360
I'm actually an introvert.

778
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,159
Speaker 5: It's just kind of funny because I do a very extroverted.

779
00:37:17,679 --> 00:37:21,079
Speaker 4: Business, but I'm gonna be pretty introverted, and I like

780
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:22,239
just like my quiet time.

781
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 5: I think see that I eat very healthy as well,

782
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,719
which keeps me like kind of rooted.

783
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 4: And when I feel like I'm eating online and my

784
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,480
brain is better, I'm sleeping better. I'm I can be

785
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,800
a little anal about my sleep at times, like I mean,

786
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:39,800
there are some trips where you're literally getting five hours

787
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,960
sleep and then if the weather's crapping out then I'm like, okay,

788
00:37:43,039 --> 00:37:46,559
well we're prioritiz sleep so I can feel human and

789
00:37:46,599 --> 00:37:48,760
not be ban dating it.

790
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:49,079
Speaker 5: Yeah.

791
00:37:49,119 --> 00:37:51,599
Speaker 4: I just think like simple routines that like you home,

792
00:37:51,679 --> 00:37:54,119
even do it home, just help me to stay room

793
00:37:54,159 --> 00:37:56,440
did And when I neglect those, that's.

794
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:57,199
Speaker 5: When things don't come.

795
00:37:57,199 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 3: Well, No, that's good.

796
00:37:59,079 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 2: It sounds like you have like a really good routine

797
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:03,920
and schedule that you're keeping that kind of keeps you

798
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,920
on track, which is so important, whether like you said,

799
00:38:07,199 --> 00:38:10,440
at home running your business out in the middle of nowhere.

800
00:38:11,599 --> 00:38:13,880
That that's really good. How long have you been on

801
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,199
the road for in a given trip. I'm just curious,

802
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,239
like your longest stint.

803
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, like the longest stint in between, like coming home

804
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:24,920
to you know, wherever you were living at the time.

805
00:38:26,679 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 4: I guess, Oh, that's kind of okay, that's kind of complicated.

806
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,360
I've technically been in like long term travel since July

807
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:36,920
of this year. Okay, so, but I have been back

808
00:38:37,199 --> 00:38:41,360
home with my family and stuff a few times and

809
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,639
not period of time, so I guess currently in probably

810
00:38:44,679 --> 00:38:45,639
about five months.

811
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:52,199
Speaker 2: Okay, that's a it's a true nomad. Yeah, that's really cool.

812
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 3: Have you ever thought about upgrade? So, are you you're

813
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:55,840
still in your truck?

814
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:57,079
Speaker 1: No?

815
00:38:57,199 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 3: If you you've upgraded, are you do you have an

816
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:00,760
RV or a camper? Nice?

817
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,639
Speaker 4: I have a little twenty foot travel trailer and I

818
00:39:03,639 --> 00:39:06,280
have my own bathroom in the kitchen and there's separate beds,

819
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:10,280
so me and my daughter have space and that has

820
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,239
made the long term travel being.

821
00:39:12,159 --> 00:39:13,079
Speaker 5: So much better.

822
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 3: Your daughter is growing up, like the coolest childhood. That's awest.

823
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,440
I'm just thinking that, Like, man, I can you imagine

824
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,440
being a kid and just traveling around to every park

825
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,280
in the country and you just wake up and go

826
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,960
hiking every day. I mean, that sounds amazing.

827
00:39:28,119 --> 00:39:31,199
Speaker 2: What do you hope she absorbs from seeing you live

828
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:32,960
this way and living with you this way?

829
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 4: Ultimately, I hope she knows to pursue her dreams and

830
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,960
not to fall into like what other people tell her

831
00:39:39,079 --> 00:39:42,000
she should. Whether that I mean, like, I support whatever

832
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,000
that is. Even if her dream was literally to grow

833
00:39:44,039 --> 00:39:45,519
up and be a stay at home mom, If that

834
00:39:45,639 --> 00:39:47,440
is her dream, I want her to do that. Her

835
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,320
dream is to be a world traveler, I want her

836
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,119
to do that. Her dream was to be a doctor,

837
00:39:52,159 --> 00:39:53,599
I want her to do like I want to. I

838
00:39:53,639 --> 00:39:59,199
hope that she is watching me chase dreams relentlessly, and I.

839
00:39:59,159 --> 00:40:04,159
Speaker 5: Hope that she has same passion. I support whatever that is.

840
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 2: That's really cool. Yeah, that's that's really neat. It seems

841
00:40:07,039 --> 00:40:08,840
like you have a great relationship with her. I almost

842
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,079
don't want my kids to listen to this episode because

843
00:40:11,079 --> 00:40:12,639
they'll be like, what the hell I.

844
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 1: Have?

845
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:17,679
Speaker 2: It's like setting me off to school every day and

846
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:19,800
even normal job, and I could be out in the

847
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:20,440
mountains all.

848
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 3: The time, right, No, that I mean she's a badass hiker.

849
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,039
When she gets older doing all this, you know, at

850
00:40:28,039 --> 00:40:32,079
the age of six and younger, my six.

851
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 5: Year olds can be like, oh, we went to Canada

852
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:35,639
and a whale touched our boat.

853
00:40:36,599 --> 00:40:41,159
Speaker 3: Matter, I don't like, Yes, that's awesome, Yeah, that's what

854
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,400
even if you know that must drive you through the

855
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,440
hard days of when things aren't going right that at

856
00:40:46,519 --> 00:40:49,400
least she's experiencing. To her, this is like the coolest

857
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:49,920
life ever.

858
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,559
Speaker 5: She's like, I've been here. Remember we went to Yellowstone

859
00:40:55,599 --> 00:40:58,760
and we saw the bison, and here we saw this.

860
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,679
I'm just like, I love that. This is her childhood.

861
00:41:03,599 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 2: So of all the places you've been, do you prefer

862
00:41:06,599 --> 00:41:10,840
more flat desert or more mountainous areas?

863
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:12,599
Speaker 3: Mountains? So fast?

864
00:41:12,679 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 4: If you're about a favorite place, it's Alaska. I've been

865
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:18,559
three times. I cannot get enough of it. I have

866
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,559
a goal in life to like go live there for

867
00:41:21,599 --> 00:41:24,880
a full year and like experience all the seasons there

868
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:29,920
one day. But it's like it's so beautiful and like

869
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:31,639
I've been in every season at this point, and it's

870
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:35,199
just it's it's all immaculate and it's wild and like

871
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,400
you're out there, like you have to be really prepared.

872
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:38,840
They can't just be like, oh, I'm going to go

873
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,400
for a hike and like like there's a real risk

874
00:41:41,519 --> 00:41:45,760
something could go super wrong because it's very untouched and

875
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:47,599
it's it's so beautiful there.

876
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 3: That's fantastic.

877
00:41:48,559 --> 00:41:50,639
Speaker 2: So where in Alaska if you could pick, you know,

878
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:52,320
if you're going to go there tomorrow for a year,

879
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:53,079
where would you live.

880
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 5: That's so tough because there's like there's like different areas

881
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,880
that have like great features. So like Anchorage is like okay,

882
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:03,800
I wouldn't wants want to live in the city. I

883
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:05,679
don't want to be like outside of Anchorage because then

884
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:09,079
it's accessible to like Tanali, it's accessible to the coast.

885
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,559
But Seward, I think is probably one of the most

886
00:42:12,599 --> 00:42:15,239
beautiful little place has ever been to. It's like feels

887
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,079
like a small town. In the summer, there's a lot

888
00:42:17,079 --> 00:42:20,159
of like cruise ships that go through, but the rest

889
00:42:20,159 --> 00:42:22,280
of the year it's like very dead. It's right on

890
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:22,679
the coast.

891
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:27,639
Speaker 4: They still get snow, but it's it's so beautiful and

892
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:28,800
like I can't it.

893
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 5: It's so green. It rains a lot, but it's it's

894
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:32,719
really pretty.

895
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 3: That's awesome.

896
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds like I want to go there. I

897
00:42:35,199 --> 00:42:37,679
haven't been to alask yet. Yeah, I went. Yeah, I

898
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:39,920
went hiking in Tanali and I've been in the Seward.

899
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:42,800
She's exactly right. It's it's amazing.

900
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:47,159
Speaker 3: Denali, You're like, and that's not even the most remote

901
00:42:47,199 --> 00:42:49,199
park in the state. You could go to Gates of

902
00:42:49,199 --> 00:42:52,599
the Arctic, which is anywhere in the Alaskan trying that's yeah,

903
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:56,119
the Gates of the Arctic is way north of the Denali.

904
00:42:56,639 --> 00:42:59,079
That one is a I don't have you ever you've

905
00:42:59,199 --> 00:43:02,320
been to that park? Gates some Yeah, that one is

906
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,480
I think we I don't know if we've done a

907
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:05,920
case on that park. But it's like one of the

908
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,159
hardest parks to get to in the country, just because

909
00:43:08,199 --> 00:43:10,880
of the remoteness, right, Yeah, I don't even think there's

910
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:12,880
a car that can a road that can get you there.

911
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:16,320
That's terrifying. If you get hurt, you're just done. You're done.

912
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,880
Don't get hurt, Yeah, just you can't have anything go

913
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:23,280
wrong in Tonali. Tanali is remote compared to other I

914
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:27,079
remember driving up to Tanali and maybe you experienced this too,

915
00:43:27,119 --> 00:43:30,599
but the mountain as you, like, we were still really

916
00:43:30,639 --> 00:43:32,599
far away and it was just it looked like just

917
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,639
like a spaceship coming out of the ground, like as

918
00:43:35,679 --> 00:43:37,880
you were getting closer to it. It's wild.

919
00:43:39,079 --> 00:43:41,199
Speaker 5: Only tall, giant mountains.

920
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:42,760
Speaker 3: And it starts off kind of small, and yeah, it's

921
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,239
just like, holy cow, I feel loft out of this

922
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:50,039
club now, I'm so sad. Someday, someday I'll go.

923
00:43:50,039 --> 00:43:50,280
Speaker 1: You can.

924
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,599
Speaker 3: Honestly, I think you would need a year to really

925
00:43:52,639 --> 00:43:56,480
explore Alaska properly. It's that minimum. It's so big.

926
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's one place that surprised you in a good

927
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:04,639
way that you've been to, like that you didn't expect

928
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:06,519
much and then you got there, like, oh my gosh,

929
00:44:06,519 --> 00:44:09,119
this is like a hidden gem.

930
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:12,599
Speaker 4: Like I have two answers, so I'd either say to Fino, Canada,

931
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,239
which I got so much slack to this, but I

932
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,960
posted this reel on Instagram. It was like the sleepiest

933
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:21,960
town you haven't heard of because they averaged less than

934
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,039
a million visitors a year. It's like a very small

935
00:44:24,079 --> 00:44:25,760
little town on Vancouver Island.

936
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 5: People were like visitors a year, but it's like super cool.

937
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,079
Speaker 4: You can see them like Vancouver Island first of all,

938
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,599
Assive Island takes three hours to drive the lidth of it,

939
00:44:38,639 --> 00:44:40,960
like coast like you know, Sea Short Sea Line, the

940
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:43,880
Sea Short, Sea Short.

941
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 5: And it's in it's like near the northern.

942
00:44:48,199 --> 00:44:51,119
Speaker 4: Northern part of the island and you can see the

943
00:44:51,119 --> 00:44:53,480
mountains on one side and then you have the ocean

944
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,280
on the one side, and they have like coastal wolves

945
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,719
and brown bears and like tide pool and like all

946
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:00,639
this stuff. So like I feel like you can experience

947
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:05,400
all kinds of different adventures and you wouldn't expect it.

948
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,480
And if you go on YouTube, like a.

949
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:07,760
Speaker 5: Lot of.

950
00:45:10,119 --> 00:45:16,559
Speaker 3: You said yeah, okay, and like you like a lot.

951
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:18,800
Speaker 4: Of the videos I watched online were like here's a

952
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:23,760
little coastal town. Here's like here's like some boardwalk trails

953
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:25,559
you can go do, and the like Pacific I think

954
00:45:25,559 --> 00:45:28,280
it's Pacific Rim National Parks right there and like but

955
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,119
it's like very coastal, very beachy. And I left out

956
00:45:31,159 --> 00:45:33,679
the part where there's like hot springs and like folk

957
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:35,440
tours and you go to these islands and you see

958
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:39,119
all kinds of wildlife and I was just I was

959
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,320
so surprised. I was there for a week and I

960
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:43,519
was like, this is not enough time. I need more

961
00:45:43,559 --> 00:45:48,280
time here. And honestly, Alaska, like I kind of I had.

962
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,639
I had decent expectations for it, but I didn't expect

963
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:53,559
to like connect with it so much. And I think

964
00:45:53,559 --> 00:45:56,679
it became more personal my first trip there where I

965
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:59,360
won the trip, I experienced a lot of like personal

966
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,639
healing just through like being out in the wild, seeing

967
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:06,679
Gnali and like all the experiences, and every every time

968
00:46:06,679 --> 00:46:08,960
I've gone back, it's just been like like a literal

969
00:46:09,039 --> 00:46:12,559
life altering moment. But I don't know if that's just me,

970
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:14,480
but I just was like, why don't we more people

971
00:46:14,599 --> 00:46:15,280
visit Elasta?

972
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:16,280
Speaker 5: It's it's amazing.

973
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 3: That's good.

974
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've I've been to Vancouver Island. I've not gone

975
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,159
that far. I went just down into Victoria for like

976
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,519
a day and hiked some of the parks around there

977
00:46:25,679 --> 00:46:26,559
on my way south.

978
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:31,039
Speaker 4: But is also known as like a food hub. If

979
00:46:31,039 --> 00:46:33,880
you like good food, go with like a big budget

980
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:35,480
and just eat your way through.

981
00:46:37,079 --> 00:46:40,519
Speaker 3: No hiking, just eat. Yeah, are you being paid by Tafino?

982
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:49,199
You know, let's go. What is so okay? So that

983
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:51,920
was on the positives. I'm curious what was a place

984
00:46:52,079 --> 00:46:55,880
that there's got to be at least one place you've

985
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:57,960
hiked where you're like, I just don't want to go

986
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:03,719
back here again. Okay, No, it's okay. The t Tons

987
00:47:04,679 --> 00:47:05,800
I'm so underwhelmed.

988
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:07,800
Speaker 5: I've been there like three times and I'm just like,

989
00:47:09,039 --> 00:47:11,800
I don't I don't get the hike. I don't understand.

990
00:47:12,079 --> 00:47:14,119
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna agree with you on this. And I

991
00:47:14,159 --> 00:47:19,280
went there once. Yeah, and here's why beautiful. But of

992
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:23,719
all the other mountains I've seen, they're they're they're pretty average. Yeah,

993
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,480
and this is this. Yeah, this it feels dumb saying

994
00:47:26,519 --> 00:47:28,760
it because there's people haven't been there, but then there's

995
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,079
really nothing else to do outside of looking at them,

996
00:47:31,159 --> 00:47:35,159
kinda hiking them, hiking them. There's not great hikes. They're

997
00:47:35,159 --> 00:47:38,239
like okay. And then when we went, we ended up

998
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,000
like camping like a couple of nights and we went

999
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:43,400
into town and like that was the most fun. Yeah,

1000
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:44,960
in like the small town over there.

1001
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 3: I think it's one of those Yeah, it's one of

1002
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,920
those parks where hike at once. Check it off the list.

1003
00:47:52,639 --> 00:47:55,280
Like when I think of parks I've been to, I've

1004
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,480
been the te Tons it's not on my list of

1005
00:47:57,519 --> 00:48:00,599
a park I'm gonna waste time going back to. Like

1006
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,960
I would go back to Zion again. I would go

1007
00:48:05,039 --> 00:48:09,079
back to Mount Rainier again, Canyon Lands again, maybe do

1008
00:48:09,159 --> 00:48:14,960
it and not almost die. Yeah, there's so many other

1009
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:18,079
parks I would probably go back to over the tee Tons.

1010
00:48:18,559 --> 00:48:21,800
I enjoyed our trip there, but it's kind of I've

1011
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:27,559
seen it. Yeah, yeah, sorry, it's kind of like if

1012
00:48:27,559 --> 00:48:29,639
you don't want to go Yellowstone because that's super packed,

1013
00:48:29,639 --> 00:48:32,440
to go to the Tetons because I remember Tee Tons

1014
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:35,239
being a lot less crowded. Yeah, that's because because it

1015
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:35,800
kind of sucks.

1016
00:48:36,039 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, it kidding.

1017
00:48:39,519 --> 00:48:42,519
Speaker 4: Also Yellowstone is a little underwhelming too, But I go

1018
00:48:42,599 --> 00:48:44,639
back to like wildlife at this point, Like I'm just

1019
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:48,119
like everything else is like okay, but I love going

1020
00:48:48,119 --> 00:48:49,480
there for like wildlike photography.

1021
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 3: I would say the most underwhelmed I've ever been in,

1022
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:54,440
like a national park type place was Mount Rushmore.

1023
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 2: Mount Rushmore, not New River Gorge National Okay, yeah, that

1024
00:48:59,119 --> 00:49:00,920
was the worst one I've ever been to.

1025
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 3: No offense, if anyone lives.

1026
00:49:03,119 --> 00:49:05,280
Speaker 2: Mike and I we we did one of our trips

1027
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:07,760
like it's the newest national park. We should go down

1028
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:09,280
there for the show and like kind of close to

1029
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:11,679
where we live, yeah, and we were gonna shoot content

1030
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,440
there and I think we spent more time in the

1031
00:49:14,519 --> 00:49:17,519
towns yeah, than on trails, because we hiked like one

1032
00:49:17,559 --> 00:49:20,119
of the five trails they had. Yeah, and it was like,

1033
00:49:20,159 --> 00:49:21,280
come look at this bridge.

1034
00:49:22,039 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. It was a different kind of experience, yeah,

1035
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:29,239
not like very remote. Yeah, I mean it it's another

1036
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,960
one of those parks. I'm glad we visited. I don't

1037
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:34,079
think i'd go back to hike, but packed them out Rushmore.

1038
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:36,960
I'd only seen it in pictures and I thought the

1039
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:42,440
carvings were huge, and when we went there, I was like, wow,

1040
00:49:43,079 --> 00:49:45,199
it's a lot smaller than I thought it would be.

1041
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:47,960
Like you're looking, I'm like, it's still impressive. They carved

1042
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,079
these faces on the mountain, but I'm like, it just

1043
00:49:50,079 --> 00:49:55,119
seems really small. I pictured in my head just huge. Yeah. Yeah,

1044
00:49:55,159 --> 00:49:57,480
and it was tiny when I saw it. So that's

1045
00:49:57,559 --> 00:49:58,760
my like underwhelming.

1046
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 4: My dad told me it was underwhelming, and I just

1047
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:08,599
bypassed it and went to Custer. Custer was really cool, yeah, stop,

1048
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:10,840
but I just was like, yeah, okay, I'll think you.

1049
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:16,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, Black Hills was kind of yeah, we went there.

1050
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:18,599
I like how this is just turned into what are

1051
00:50:18,639 --> 00:50:19,400
the crappy players?

1052
00:50:21,079 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 5: Where do you go?

1053
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:25,800
Speaker 3: Yeah? And one of the bad Lands. How often do

1054
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,320
you hike in? Yeah? You like bad lands?

1055
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 2: So I didn't like we remember we when we had

1056
00:50:32,119 --> 00:50:35,760
we got kicked out of uh Montana for bear danger.

1057
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,800
So supended earlier, not like forced out. No, they we're

1058
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:42,079
we're at a campsite and they we were there for

1059
00:50:42,159 --> 00:50:43,800
two nights and like, what are you boys doing here?

1060
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,239
They closed on all the campsites for bear danger, so

1061
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,119
we had to spend the night with the rangers, thinking

1062
00:50:48,159 --> 00:50:50,280
we were gonna get mauled all night. So we had

1063
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:52,440
to leave early. And we're like, oh, let's go camping

1064
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,079
bad Lands. And we drove to bad Lands, did the loop,

1065
00:50:55,199 --> 00:50:59,960
and we're like, let's just go home. We didn't even stay.

1066
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:02,039
We just didn't like, I think we just saw all

1067
00:51:02,119 --> 00:51:02,239
of it.

1068
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 3: We can leave now. Yeah, yeah, bad lands. But no,

1069
00:51:08,599 --> 00:51:11,000
I'm trying. What was I I lost my train of thought.

1070
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:11,280
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1071
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:15,840
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, No, it's okay. We're crapping on national parties. No, oh,

1072
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:17,599
I know what I was asked. One of the things

1073
00:51:17,679 --> 00:51:21,760
we never really got into a lot. But after doing

1074
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:25,280
our show, I've realized there's tons of amazing hikes in

1075
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:29,920
national forests out west that we never even really considered

1076
00:51:30,159 --> 00:51:33,159
when we went hiking. Have you done a lot of

1077
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:37,079
content creation in national forests just because there's less people?

1078
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:40,119
There's really there's no entrance feed anything to get in.

1079
00:51:40,199 --> 00:51:44,039
You can just go and hike, and it's something we

1080
00:51:44,199 --> 00:51:47,400
kind of completely neglected, and some of them look really cool.

1081
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:48,599
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1082
00:51:49,159 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 5: I would say I have.

1083
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 4: In Colorado, like more like the off road trails everywhere.

1084
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:03,400
I've done a lot in Colorado and that was super

1085
00:52:03,519 --> 00:52:05,559
duper fun. I say I've done a lot, but like

1086
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:07,519
I have stuff that's on my list, like you, when

1087
00:52:07,519 --> 00:52:08,920
I go to Idaho, I'm going to be spending a

1088
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:10,440
ton of time in national forests.

1089
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1090
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,559
Speaker 4: No, I would probably say just Colorado, but there's definitely

1091
00:52:15,559 --> 00:52:17,239
a lot of like hidden gems that I feel like

1092
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:18,880
you're slept on because people are like, oh, let's go

1093
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,880
to the national park, yeah, you know wherever, versus like

1094
00:52:22,119 --> 00:52:23,079
exploring stuff.

1095
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:23,559
Speaker 5: That's outside of it.

1096
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:26,679
Speaker 3: And I would almost recommend people because I know national

1097
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:29,079
parks now are getting so crowded. A lot of the

1098
00:52:29,159 --> 00:52:32,679
popular ones that if you're finding the parks that are

1099
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:36,000
too busy, Like check out the National forest right next door,

1100
00:52:36,039 --> 00:52:38,440
because a lot of times they'll be pretty pretty empty

1101
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:41,239
and there's tons of miles and miles of hiking. There's

1102
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:44,519
not really no amenities. It's like a national park has.

1103
00:52:44,599 --> 00:52:47,920
But if you like just open wilderness, a lot of

1104
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:49,880
national forests could be a good route.

1105
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:52,039
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I agree.

1106
00:52:52,079 --> 00:52:54,039
Speaker 4: I mean when I'm in southern Utah here soon, I'm

1107
00:52:54,039 --> 00:52:56,280
planning to like hit a lot of like national forest stuff.

1108
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:58,039
I've already been doing lots of research.

1109
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 2: Excited, all right, I have one more and then we

1110
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:03,800
can let you go. So we're not taking all your

1111
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:07,679
time up. But right now, I mean, you're you're I

1112
00:53:08,119 --> 00:53:10,440
view us your you're still coming up, You're you're kind

1113
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:12,599
of catching your stride. This is just my opinion after

1114
00:53:12,679 --> 00:53:15,760
watching your content, what does success look like to you

1115
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:17,159
now compared to what it.

1116
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:17,559
Speaker 3: Used to be.

1117
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 4: I think when I started content, it looked like like

1118
00:53:24,079 --> 00:53:26,519
you know what people show on Instagram where it's like,

1119
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:28,639
you know, like it's some one of those things where

1120
00:53:28,679 --> 00:53:30,000
like you have an idea of what it is and

1121
00:53:30,079 --> 00:53:32,159
over time it becomes personal. So I feel like I

1122
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:34,679
had this idea of like, oh, it's like flashy trips

1123
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:36,800
and like everything's a highlight reel, and now that I'm

1124
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:40,360
working hard, I'm like, honestly, my idea of success is

1125
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:44,000
like making enough to support me and my daughter doing

1126
00:53:44,039 --> 00:53:47,000
this alone, getting to work with like dream brands, getting.

1127
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:50,119
Speaker 5: To meet people like I. I for an introvert.

1128
00:53:50,119 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 4: I'm extremely community minded, and like I have host group

1129
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:56,559
trips in hopes of just like connecting people and bringing

1130
00:53:56,599 --> 00:53:59,880
them together in beautiful places, because as someone who was

1131
00:54:00,079 --> 00:54:04,559
nervous traveler, I would have appreciated having like group trips

1132
00:54:04,559 --> 00:54:08,079
that were accessible to me, not these like four thousand

1133
00:54:08,119 --> 00:54:10,159
dollars let's go to Iceland trips, like something that I

1134
00:54:10,559 --> 00:54:12,119
was realistic and felt obtainable.

1135
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:14,760
Speaker 5: I don't know.

1136
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 4: Actually, my idea of success now is just to make

1137
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:21,719
enough to support and ultimately to have these connections and

1138
00:54:22,639 --> 00:54:25,920
to create a community of people who are like minded

1139
00:54:26,079 --> 00:54:28,280
and that's who they don't feel alone either.

1140
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:29,519
Speaker 3: That's great.

1141
00:54:29,679 --> 00:54:32,119
Speaker 2: And also there's a new term for people I'll say

1142
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:34,199
like us, because I'm the same way and people are

1143
00:54:34,199 --> 00:54:34,760
always shocked.

1144
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 3: I'm very introverted.

1145
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:38,280
Speaker 2: Like if you put me in a networking event, I'm

1146
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:40,599
the guy that's hiding in the corner, like I have

1147
00:54:40,679 --> 00:54:43,440
to be around friends and then I explode.

1148
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 3: At a wedding.

1149
00:54:43,559 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 2: You're the guy in the corner not dancing unless I'm

1150
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,199
around people I'm comfortable with, and I will. I'm an extrovert.

1151
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:52,840
It's called ambivert, so you're it depends when you're comfortable.

1152
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:55,199
You're more extroverted. When you're not, you're just completely in

1153
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:56,760
inward think interesting.

1154
00:54:57,039 --> 00:54:59,280
Speaker 3: So that's uh. I've learned that. My daughter told me

1155
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:02,519
that I've become more introverted as I've gotten older, as

1156
00:55:02,519 --> 00:55:07,840
you become grumpier. Yeah, as I get grumpier, No, Tay.

1157
00:55:08,559 --> 00:55:11,679
Speaker 2: I think that's great. I love your content. That's why

1158
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:13,320
we reached out to have you on the show. I

1159
00:55:13,519 --> 00:55:16,000
hope that we can help you along that journey. Just

1160
00:55:16,559 --> 00:55:19,360
all of our listeners come and follow you, tell us,

1161
00:55:19,519 --> 00:55:21,559
tell everybody where they can find your stuff.

1162
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 5: Absolutely, it's not on Instagram and YouTube and TikTok if.

1163
00:55:25,519 --> 00:55:29,360
I am pay wanders across the board. Also, I host

1164
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:32,159
group trips, so you can find details about that on Instagram.

1165
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:34,960
I currently have one live. I thought the registration closed.

1166
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:38,360
Speaker 4: Apparently it's eight hundred dollars. We can go to Iceland

1167
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:41,079
in March for eight hundred US dollars and it's not

1168
00:55:41,199 --> 00:55:43,039
a hoax. It's a really great trip.

1169
00:55:43,119 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 5: Actually.

1170
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:46,159
Speaker 3: So is that like, is that you just got to

1171
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:48,400
fly there but the whole trip is eight hundred bucks?

1172
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:49,559
Or is that that include flights?

1173
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:52,119
Speaker 4: Oh? No, it does not include flights, Okay, Like once

1174
00:55:52,199 --> 00:55:54,960
you get there, it includes like the guide service, transportation,

1175
00:55:55,199 --> 00:55:58,000
all activities, and where we'd stay, which is like a hostel,

1176
00:55:58,119 --> 00:56:01,000
but like where we stayed was like super clean.

1177
00:56:01,679 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 5: It was a really nice fossil.

1178
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 2: That sounds like, yeah, that is actually awesome. Yes, So

1179
00:56:09,599 --> 00:56:13,920
go check out Taywanders. Go subscribe to all of her things,

1180
00:56:14,079 --> 00:56:15,639
sign up to all the stuff, go on all the

1181
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:16,360
trip the trip.

1182
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Speaker 3: Yes, go on all the trip. If you're one of

1183
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those people that dreams about hiking, but you don't think

1184
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:23,159
you can do the planning, sign up for a trip

1185
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:25,239
like that. Yes, all you have to do is buy

1186
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:29,239
the air ticket, airfare, and show up and they'll take

1187
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care of everything else. Yes, it's it's actually quite perfect. Yeah,

1188
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that's I mean, one of the barriers for hiking I

1189
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hear from people is the planning that goes into it.

1190
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They're getting scared that they're gonna plan something wrong or

1191
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miss something. So like a trip like that is like

1192
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a perfect way for someone who's getting new into the

1193
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:49,840
you know, hiking and backpacking to get their feet wet

1194
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without kind of the exposure and risk of planning it themselves.

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Speaker 5: It's just totally fair.

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Speaker 4: It can be very terrifying, especially when you're like, oh,

1197
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I'm gonna go to ice Lend and like you start

1198
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:03,079
trying to plan a trip and like everything's in some

1199
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of the language. You're like, well, it's like this trip

1200
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:07,400
the great way to like dip my toes in. Like

1201
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:10,400
I could now confidently plan a trip, but I wouldn't

1202
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:12,519
have been able to plan the trip there, like prior

1203
00:57:12,639 --> 00:57:15,280
to this group trip, Like personally, I was like, this

1204
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:16,280
is very overwhelming.

1205
00:57:18,519 --> 00:57:19,679
Speaker 3: That that is so awesome.

1206
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Speaker 2: I can't wait to see in our future we can

1207
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cross paths and all do a trip together something as

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a group.

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Speaker 3: That'd be a lot of fun. Yeah.

1210
00:57:26,679 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, as we become more and more popular of a podcast,

1211
00:57:29,519 --> 00:57:31,039
maybe we'll get paid full time to do this, and

1212
00:57:31,119 --> 00:57:33,559
you're getting paid full time, we'll like go, I'll do

1213
00:57:33,679 --> 00:57:35,079
a huge combined group trip.

1214
00:57:35,119 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 3: We'll partner with the host from National Parak after Derek,

1215
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:41,440
they do like seven trips a year. Yes, so yes,

1216
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:42,639
I love.

1217
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Speaker 4: That's one of my other favorite podcasts. Guys and m

1218
00:57:45,199 --> 00:57:47,559
Pad and Park Prenters like three favorites.

1219
00:57:47,719 --> 00:57:50,519
Speaker 3: Perfect, We'll do some sort of major group thing for

1220
00:57:50,679 --> 00:57:57,119
like one hundred people. Sounds yeah awesome.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you very much for taking the time today.

1222
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It was awesome hearing your story. I hope it inspires

1223
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people that listen, and I hope we can give you

1224
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a huge bump and followers and help you along your

1225
00:58:07,039 --> 00:58:09,880
journey of being just doing this as your career so

1226
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:12,679
you never have to clean toilets at a koa ever again.

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Speaker 5: That's the goal. Yeah, thank you, thanks for having me.

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This has been great. I'm glad it worked out all right.