Speaker 1: Thousands of people have mysteriously vanished in America's wilderness. Join
us as we dive into the deep end of the
unexplainable world and try to piece together what happened.
Speaker 2: And you are listening to Locations Unknown. O, what's up everybody?
And welcome back to another episode of Locations Unknown. I'm
your co host Joe Erat and with me is always
This is a guy who always knows where Tay is
gonna wander Next. Mike van Bogart.
Speaker 3: Oh, thank you, Joe, and thank you to all of
our amazing listeners for tuning in. Just a few updates
before we get going. First, I'd like to thank our
new patron supporters. We have Emily Happy and Cheryl Yankovic. So,
oh is she related to weird Al I don't know, maybe,
maybe not. It might be Cheryl Yankovic probably probably awesome.
Today's episode is gonna be a little bit unique where
we're just doing an interview with Taylor Hutchinson from Tay wanders.
That's obviously the call up for Mike. Yeah, no, it
was we Actually it's a really cool interview. She has
some incredible stories. She has been basically living on the
road and creating content and she's been selling a lot
of her content to brands and different places around the country,
and she's got tons of stories. She's traveling around with
us her six year old daughter, and we had a
really it was a really great interview. We're going to
try and do more of these once in a while,
interview creators and other people that are not specifically related
to missing people, but kind of wilderness, wilderness adjacent, absolutely
just wilderness story telling me. Yeah, because she is living
a life I wish I could just traveling around in
a truck, hiking in national parks. Yeah, that sounds amazing.
And for people who.
Speaker 2: Are already fans before, you get a little bit of
the inside baseball of the work that goes into being
a creator, how it happens, how does someone become that
it's very interesting, some funny stories of where she's been
spotted by fans, and we're recording this intro after and
she neglected to tell a pretty incredible story, So we're
actually going to have her back on and we're hoping
to maybe this will help push her when she's in
the field next Yes, we want to try and do
something live from the field and she's going to tell
a really incredible story of something that happened to her.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, it was an accident that it didn't come up,
and I guess you know, I'm kind of glad it
didn't because now we can talk to her again down
the road. That was the universe telling us not to
do it just yet. What else?
Speaker 2: I don't have my notes in front of me. So
the holidays just happened. If you're celebrating Christmas, that was yesterday.
So Merry Christmas and happy holidays to everybody. But please
tune in, pay attention and go ahead like and subscribe,
follow Tay Wanders on all the socials and he's really cool.
Speaker 3: She puts out great content she does. And then we'll
probably be back, I would say, maybe the second week
of January.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna we're gonna go on a little hiatus. Yeah,
I can take some time. I mean not really like
two weeks. It's actually the standard time. Yeah, it's pretty standard.
Speaker 3: We'll be back at some point in January, probably that
second week. Well, we'll talk to you next year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, everybody, here we go with our interview
with Tay Wanders. Today we are sitting down with Tay
a Southern girl turned road warrior, storyteller and adventurer who
approaches travel with confidence, intention and grounded, faith centered perspective.
She's a single mom, content creator and avid explorer who
creates storytelling, lead, outdoor and travel content designed to help
women step into adventure feeling prepared and empowered. Through destination inspiration,
practical safety guidance, and detailed itineraries, Tay helps make big,
beautiful places feel accessible instead of intimidating. What started is
traveling out of her truck during COVID quickly turned into
a full scale business. By working remotely, She's built a
lifestyle that allows her to stay present with her daughter
while giving her first hand experience of the world from
a young age. Tay's story is about taking calculated risks,
trusting yourself, and realizing that adventure doesn't have to wait
for someday. We're excited to dive into her journey and
how it all came together and what she's learned along
the way. Tay Welcome to locations unknown? Yeah, welcome? Is
that the first time someone's read your intro to you?
I can always tell by the face.
Speaker 4: I just went through a little rebrand, so I'm kind
of like, oh my gosh, it's so cool to.
Speaker 5: Hear it back.
Speaker 3: That's good. I'll send it to you afterwards you can
use it. Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 2: So why don't you just tell us a little bit
about yourself and we'll go into some questions and learn
about your adventures.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Well, I'm Tay.
Speaker 4: I'm Tay Wanders on YouTube, Instagram, and TikTok, which TikTok
is literally just my Instagram content, So if you just
prefer an app, it's the same content. I travel the
US right now, and well, I guess North America with
my daughter and my dog.
Speaker 5: Who is right here right now.
Speaker 4: You may hear her like crunching on her phone in
the background now, and we.
Speaker 5: Like to hike and just be outdoors.
Speaker 4: I try to go where people aren't and I want
to educate people on how to get to these places
safely because safety is like a big thing, which is
one of the things I also love about the locations
and on podcast because I'm like, yes, there's like true
education on how to access places and what you should
have with you, and it's it's actually changed a lot
of how I explore and here we are now. Yeah,
I'm in Texas currently and relocating to southern Utah or
like try, I guess long term traveling in southern Utah
here soon and super stoked.
Speaker 2: So you didn't set out to be a content creator, right,
You just kind of fell into it. To you tell
a little bit about how you've come along that journey
and how you kind of ended up here.
Speaker 5: Absolutely so.
Speaker 4: I actually in high school got into photography because all
my friends were into it and we just run around
doing like photo shoots, and that carried into college. I mean,
my best friend in college would go around and like
do photo shoots and that kind of stuff all the time.
And I wasn't really like into the hiking, seer traveling
scene at that point. We were just kind of like
staging things for fun. And then I ended up having
my daughter, she's now six, but at the time was
a little baby, and that's when I the COVID hit,
like very shortly after she was born. So I started
road tripping around in my truck. And because I had
a ten on my truck and lift and I was like, oh,
I can get places, and so we just go tripping
around the US in my truck and it kind of
worked From there, I started picking up that like, oh,
like brands and hotels like want these photos that I'm
already taking fun and it's snowballed from there and I
ended up getting my degree in digital marketing and now
I'm doing it full time, which is super fun.
Speaker 3: That's fantastic.
Speaker 2: I did visit your website and it's really well put together.
I really like how it said up. It kind of
feels like a comic book also, and it's like, really,
it's really neat how you have your videos. But so
did somebody like see your content and ask you to
do a brand deal or is this something you just
realize in your own like, oh, this might be something
that people will pay for a.
Speaker 5: Little bit of both.
Speaker 4: So I was like posting content consistently and then like
people would be like, oh, we want to give you
a discount on our clothing, and I was like, okay, brands,
like I guess like what I'm doing, but like, I
didn't really completely piece together that you can make money.
Speaker 5: And I actually follow this couple.
Speaker 4: They did full time or they did full time travel
content and now they're more like family based content. But
I loved what they were doing. All of a sudden,
They're like, oh, this brand sent does this.
Speaker 5: And I started kind of.
Speaker 4: Piecing together that you could do like paid partnerships, and
they were like doing this for a living, and I
was like, hold on a second, I get paid to travel.
Speaker 5: What am I doing? And that really sparked it.
Speaker 4: I will say I ended up winning a trip to
Alaska and the host of that trip was like a
creator coach.
Speaker 5: Her name is Maddie. I owe everything to her, but
she I'm meeting her and she's.
Speaker 4: Like, oh, yeah, I'm making like this much money on
this trip and I'm filming for like three brands. And
I was like and she's like, I don't post any
of it. She had like maybe six thousand followers on
Instagram and I was like, hold on, you can get
paid to do this without having have tons of followers.
And then that snowballed everything and that she is the
reason I'm doing this full time today.
Speaker 2: That's interesting. I never thought of that. So she didn't
have a huge following. Was it just she was selling
the content she was creating for them to take and use.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she was creating just UGC videos, just like organic
videos that brands will post as ads that like she
filmed on her phone and or like just took pictures
of on her phone and like brands could use them
and ads, and at the time it was like the
highest converting content form.
Speaker 5: And she taught it to me.
Speaker 4: And now I apply it and I'm doing like higher
quality stuff now.
Speaker 5: But I don't know. It's what got started.
Speaker 3: It's really cool. That is cool.
Speaker 2: So at what point would you say people really started
paying attention where you felt like maybe a tectonic shift
from Okay, this is an idea, this is cool. Maybe
I'm getting discounts and stuff too, I'm really starting to
make a living and maybe talk about the work. I
think people look at that, look at you, because even
in your short vase it looks amazing and like it's
fun all the time. I'm assuming it's not, and it's
it's a lot of work.
Speaker 5: Oh, it's so much work.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 5: There's a lot of trips that have been disastrous.
Speaker 4: I went to Utah a couple of weeks ago, and
that was the epitome of just like one of those
trips where literally nothing goes to plan and you have
to be willing to be like, Okay, we're really making
lemonade and we're stretching the limits really far right now.
Speaker 5: No, it's a lot of work.
Speaker 4: It's a lot of like waking up at five am,
going to bed at midnight sometimes, and like you're working
from the moment you wake up to the moment you
go to bed a lot of the times on these trips,
and you have to be willing to be like, oh, well,
I was going to do this hike, but it's pouring
rain and I can't, or ah, I was going to
do this and you know it's thunderstorming.
Speaker 5: Like you have to be willing to adapt to different things,
and so it's a lot of effort.
Speaker 3: I have a question, So, what is so like a
typical month in your life on the road? How much
I'm just thinking about the preparation we used to do
for some of our big backcountry hikes. We would start
planning months in advance. Maybe a little too ocd about it,
but it would just a lot of effort just for
like a one or two week trip. So you're you say,
you've got a month coming up where you're out on
the road, what kind of preparation are you doing? And
then kind of like once you're on the road, what's
your thought process of what areas to pick or how
are you know? What are you going to do? Like
do you think about the shot you want to get?
Or are you just thinking about this seems like the
funnest hike I could do in this park?
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Uh So Basically a lot of my trip inspirations actually
start from like things I'll see on social media. I'll
be like, like i'll see a reel or a photo.
I'll be like, oh, that looks like an interesting place,
and then I'll I'm very OCD like type when it
comes to trip planning, I'm very Type A. I have
a very detailed itinerary off and down to like the
hour of where I'm trying to be photos I'm trying
to take where, which gives me a direction. But also
I end up sending this to like my parents, so
they know where I'm at at all times, especially my dad,
because he's like very good at technology maps and like
being like, oh okay, if something goes wrong, he.
Speaker 5: Knows how to get something done. I trust to find but.
Speaker 4: No, It'll typically start with like I'll see like a
picture of something of a place, and it'll so well
from now there, I use like Pinterest a lot of time,
which seems kind of I guess, I don't know, maybe
counterinto it, but I feel like I find the best
off the beaten path things through like Pinterests, and I'll
just like type in the name of the location and
then go through blog posts that way, and that's how
I find a lot of these like super scenic hikes
or like random things that I may not have found
by just typing it in like a Google search. In
terms of like reparation, because I was doing a lot
of like truck based stuff before then, so I would
always clean out my truck. I wanted to clean slate.
That way, I knew exactly where everything was. It was
like a complete reorganization making sure I had a way
to be connected if I was off grid. So I
have a wee boost and I have a star length.
Both are permanently mounted to my truck. I have a
power grid system. I have solar for that, and I
also have a way to charge it through my truck.
I typically carry like extra gas case of water. I'll
send water filters because a lot of the places I
go are off grid or like kind of an excess
where like.
Speaker 5: It's not like, oh I'm out of water. I gonna
run to the store, Like I kind of want to
be prepared.
Speaker 4: As much as I can. Yeah, so that's kind of
like the planning process prep once I'm on a trip.
I try to stick with my plan as much as possible,
but also being flexible as a really big thing. And
I had that was something that took me a little
while to learn about. Like okay, like whether it's going
to affect things, or car troubles are gonna affect things,
or random things can happen and you just kind of
have to will end up to go with it.
Speaker 3: You just got to roll the punches exactly. Your your
truck sounds pretty interesting. I I'll be honest, I follow
some creators on YouTube that are not creators as far
as like hiking type creators, but I they basically there's
this one guy in Alaska who like retrofitted his truck
with a living space on the back and he he
basically h lived in the wilderness in Alaska for like
a year from his truck and he just kind of
films every day of life like on the road in
his truck. And it's it's he's got all the amenities
of like a full house in this truck and uh,
it's yeah, it sounds like you could. You could almost
have a second channel where you just like film your
days on the road in this truck. And I think
a lot of people would watch that too.
Speaker 5: It's a very unique way of doing things.
Speaker 4: The term is technically overlanding, but a lot of people
like which referred to like car camping or car living.
Speaker 5: It's like it's like van life, but it's I don't know, it's.
Speaker 3: Kind of a little bit more hardcore.
Speaker 5: A little bit. Yeah, that's all I was gonna say.
Speaker 2: So, speaking of that, have you ever ran into major
issues that while you're while you're way out there on backup?
Speaker 5: I was gonna say, what kind of what kind of
issues you're talking.
Speaker 3: Like car trouble, car truck, I would say car trouble.
Speaker 2: So if you're out in a in a very remote spot,
like the type of area where you need your extra water,
you need your extra gas, did anything ever happen where
you were worried about maybe not being able to get
back out your on your own.
Speaker 4: Yeah, thankfully I haven't had in like a situation where
I'm stranded overnight, and I'm grateful for that, but I
feel like it's abound half in its own point. We
definitely had incidents where like I'm writing with the group
and someone breaks down and we're like a three hour
trail takes twelve plus hours and we're driving off at midnight,
and like that kind of stuff. I've definitely had cases
where like I didn't stick to my own rules of camping,
which like one of them is like arrived at my
camp site in the daylight and I was chased through
the desert in Utah and it was kind of terrifying. Yeah,
I was like, oh my god, I'm going to die
on podcast.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be not good. No, So I I
have a question. So I always wonder people if they
are so when we're hiking. We've always joked that sometimes
we're more afraid of maybe some of the people we
might interact without in the wilderness instead of the animals.
And I was just wondering if if you feel the
same way, or if you've come across some interesting characters
while you've been out hiking. I know Joe and I
have yes, and we've also come across grizzlies, and I
gotta say I'm probably a little more uh, a little
more scared of the people we've come across. So I
don't know, what's what's your take on that.
Speaker 5: I would definitely say I'll take I'll take the bear
any day.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: No, I've encountered some scary people. I've I definitely go
equipped to protect myself. I also have a big dog,
like I'm Jepper and she's like super protection driven. I
think that between those two things, I get a lot
of confidence to like adventure solo. But I can't say
without those I would be like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, okay, Yeah, he came across where was that
we were at where we It was Zion, No, it
was Blm Lands in Utah and this guy came out
of the wilderness.
Speaker 2: Yeah okay. We were at Zion and this was a
different hike. Yeah, yes, okay, and we were in the
name Splinter Splinter, and he was I think he was crazy.
He told us that Disney had stole a bunch of
songs that he wrote, and all we were all kind
of like we had our hands on our knives, like
ready to defend ourselves. He literally, we're in the desert
and we're the only ones out there, and he just
came from the bushes, just wide at us.
Speaker 3: It was like there hard, there was no sign that
someone else was there. We were the only people for miles.
He just was like there. He was there telling us
about how Disney stole his ideas. Yeah. So yeah, we've
we've come across some interesting people. I came across a
nudist colony in the island of Kwai. When you're hiking,
that sounds so scary in a different way. Yeah. These
people just lived out in the jungle, off the grid,
and they had their own little like town. They had
a library and a farm, and they they they would
get kicked out by the state every couple of years,
and the state would come in there and tear everything down,
and then as soon as they were gone, they were
all back in there, like like within thirty minutes, they
were back in there setting their town back up. So bizarre, Yeah,
very weird. And they all drink this psychedelic mushroom soup,
so they would drink it at night and just they
would all be tripping out, like, sign me up, I'm in.
Speaker 2: That sounds fantastic, sounds like an experience, yeah, exactly. So
one thing, well along those lines, traveling by yourself, especially
with maybe your own daughter. That takes a lot of confidence,
a lot of I mean, i'd say, yeah, I mean
the best word is confidence.
Speaker 3: Did you always have that?
Speaker 2: Were you just the type of person would go out
and do that or is this something you had to
really push yourself to do.
Speaker 5: I've had to push myself.
Speaker 4: I'm very like anxious and I like think, I think
the world's just a very sketchy place sometimes. But I'm like, okay,
I get one life, and I can either live in
that fear, I can do it scared, and so like
my big one of my mottos is just like it scared.
It's not that deep. Realistically, the chance of something happening
to pretty slim. Just be prepared as you can. And
I'd rather live life than like know, I'm maximizing experiences
than like sit where it's safe.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So that's that's maybe a good a good line. What's
something that you would say you were maybe scared of
early on that now is like second nature to you,
that like doesn't bug you as much anymore when you
look back at it.
Speaker 4: In my tent alone, really, I it was like such
a weird thing because I'm like way off the ground.
I can I can walk myself in. I don't like
how my tent system is on my truck. I can
act that sit through the bed of the truck. There's
like a hatch inside so I can lock the tailgate,
I can lock the doors. Like there's no ladder outside.
No one can just like easily climb up in my
tent with me. But I saw the sphere that like
there's something since someone was gonna come up while I
was up there. And then I encountered a couple of
weird people, and I encountered a really really big bear
that kept coming to my campsite like multiple nights in
a row.
Speaker 5: And after that, I was like, Wow, this is the
worst that could happen.
Speaker 3: It's not.
Speaker 5: Like it's okay, I'm locked up in my tent. I
have my dog, Like it's really not that deep.
Speaker 3: Yeah that's cool. That's cool.
Speaker 2: So what do you think is like a thing that
would I would say hold most women back from taking
their first soul adventure.
Speaker 4: I would say fear, like give a whole man versus
baar thing. I think a lot of women are just
afraid of what men can do.
Speaker 5: I not something I super.
Speaker 4: Talk about, but I've like been in a couple of
relationships with very scary men, and it took me a
little while to overcome that.
Speaker 5: That's where I was always. That was where a lot
of my fear came from.
Speaker 4: Was I was like, Okay, I've been on the on
the recipient end of like some terrifying people and terrified.
Speaker 5: Of it happening again. But I don't know.
Speaker 4: At some point, you just got to live your life
and you can't let past experiences or potential experiences stop you.
That's again where I just talk about being prepared. I
always have bear spray, I always have knives. Like I said,
I have my dog, which gives me a lot of assurance,
and just being as prepared as you can be. Also
having my starlink, who has given me a lot of
like mental reassurance. I'm like, okay, I could call for
help in the instance I needed to, and I could
just turn it off if I wanted to be disconnected,
which I don't like the idea that I can just
make a phone call really easily if I needed to,
But I don't know.
Speaker 5: Just doing it.
Speaker 2: Anyway, that's really inspirational. Have you talked a lot about
that on your platform. I haven't watched all of your
content obviously, but that just seems like something that would
help potential people either honestly, maybe people that have been
in a situation like yours to like try something rediscover
their own life, to get out there and do something
bold and fun and new that might help them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I have some I was probably my older content,
but I plan to make that more part of like
the rebrand. So going forward into twenty twenty six, I'm
planning to focus on like more adventure, confidence driven content,
so talk that's where I'm gonna died really be more
into safety gear preparation, knowing where you're gonna go, having
like an itinerary recommendations for what's safe, because like, as
someone who's again been on the wrong end of that,
I feel like I could speak a lot into women
who are like afraid of that happening or happening again.
Speaker 2: That's really great and maybe this will serve as a
little bit of that kickoff. What is half of our
audience women?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's almost like over now over half majority women
really in like I would say twenty to forty five.
Speaker 2: Okay, there you go, So this could be the start
of your twenty twenty six Confidence Kickoff for Traveling.
Speaker 3: Joe and I were shocked when we once when early
on we didn't have enough listeners to really have the
kind of data. But now that we've been doing this
for so long and we've gotten bigger, I was I
was kind of shocked our demographic. I didn't know. I
guess we didn't think they'd relate to us. Yeah, not that,
not that they relate to us.
Speaker 2: It's that's why we brought on I'm blanking on their
name now the podcast we have Crime Off the Grid,
Crime Off the Grand, Off the Off the Trails, Off
the Trails, that's what it is. We're like, we really
should get some like women who are doing stuff to do,
like if we're gonna do this network to like cater
to their demographic. And yeah, surprisingly a lot of a
lot of women listen to our show.
Speaker 3: And I think, yeah, just I mean, I feel like
maybe there is some type kind of a stereotype that
maybe women don't do a lot of hiking. But I
can tell you from doing our show, I would say
more women are out there hiking than guys, to tell
you the truth. Oh yeah, and a lot of them
solo hike and O are you know are doing far
more than you know a lot of the guys out there.
So I was that was something I did not expect
when we started the show. But it's, you know, blatantly obvious.
Now this is maybe a good question for you, Tay.
So like one of the things I try and do.
Speaker 2: But after doing our show and talking to people like you,
whenever I'm hiking, especially if I come across a solo
female hiker, I always like, this is gonna like sound
like performative male stuff. My daughter makes fun of this
type of stuff. But like I always try and be
extra nized to be like, I'm not a threat. What
what's like the best thing you should do? So hey,
I don't look like an idiot or come off even
creepier because I'm trying not to maybe just say hi
and keep walking.
Speaker 3: I do that.
Speaker 2: I do that by they engage in conversation. Here's one
thing I do. If they engage in conversation, because a
lot of people I run into our nice, the vast
majority of the people I run into our nice, I
immediately talk about my kids and my marriage, like to
like it's almost like I'm not saying I have people
like and that I feel like that brings their their
like them into a.
Speaker 3: More calm state. I don't know, you don't really look
like a threatening person. I don't know. I don't know,
you know, if like face tattoos or.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I feel like, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I feel like that maybe every woman's answer might be different.
I feel like if I engage in conversation and find
if they respond. But I feel like if a guy
starts engaging in some type of extended conversation stops me
on the trail, that makes me feel a little nervous,
just because I'm like, Okay, why are you trying to
stop me? Like why are we still?
Speaker 5: But it's interesting because someone asking this earlier today. Actually,
I had a guy message me and he's like, you know,
he's like, I don't be offensive, like as a man, like.
Speaker 4: That's the best way to pass a woman on a
hiking trails, like listening appreciate that question, I would just say,
I don't know.
Speaker 5: I told him.
Speaker 4: I was like, I think, you know, like nodding, smiling
and just kind of keep moving is like typically safe
and the like if she engages in like a conversation,
it's a little different. But personally I'm like, okay, if
someone's stopping me, in my brain's and so like going, okay,
why are you stopping me? Why are we in a conversation?
Why won't you let me like continue on my way?
Like my question my mind and soils to like motives.
But I'm also like always on the work out.
Speaker 3: Sure, I kind of have the mindset of when I
see other people male or female hiking on the trail,
I kind of just say hi and keep moving unless
I see a problem where like maybe they look distressed,
I might stop and talk to them. But yeah, I
try to. I'm kind of thinking like if someone stopped
me and started male or female and started talking for
minutes at a time, I might start getting agitated just
because I want to keep hiking. So I kind of
try to think the same, Like, you know, these people
probably don't want to talk to me. I'm just gonna
say hi and keep on moving. See. I love talking.
I love talking to people. That's but that's why I
hold back because I'm usually you know, if you're to
campsite and there's other people camping, maybe I just like
talking to people all the time. Now, park ranger, I
might stop and talk to if I pass a park
ranger on the trail, I kind of I love talking
to park rangers because they all have crazy stories and
oh yeah, they're all super friendly. They all want to
talk for the most part. For I have a question
for you, actually, how supportive has the park service been
with your recording within the parks or has that even
been an issue for you. I know we've discussed various
projects in the past, and one of the biggest hurdles
is park Service is usually not very friendly to people recording,
like for commercial purposes in the park. So I don't
know if you've come across that or if it's not
even been an issue.
Speaker 4: I haven't had a problem, but I like the way
I read it on their website is it's kind of
like if you're making.
Speaker 5: Money off the content, then you can't do it. And
I haven't monetized in the National Parks.
Speaker 4: Feel like, yeah, I'm misunderstanding it, but I'm like, Okay,
the great.
Speaker 3: Area, yeah, And I think it maybe it relates to
more of like if you bring a crew in, if
you're just self recording, it's got to be a great area.
Speaker 2: Because if you just film a video and you're on Instagram,
and you end up making money from it. It's not
like you went out intentionally technically to do it. And
there's a lot of people that do that. Yes, so okay, exactly.
I was curious, have you ever had a moment on
the road where your gut said nope and you just
abandoned some plan, like there was no reason why you
weren't going to go on the trail. But they're like
some feeling came across you, like you know what, not today.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, Actually this happened this summer. So I was going
on like a three month road trip. I was going
to go across the western US and hit multiple states.
Speaker 5: I got to.
Speaker 4: Colorado and my next stop was supposed to be Yosemite,
and I was supposed to go backpacking through Yosemite for
like three nights, and I had a group with me.
It wasn't like I was going by myself, and it
was people that I knew, And for some reason, once
I got there, like I just the worst gut feeling
about it, Like to the point I was almost nauseated
and I couldn't explain it. I ended up canceling, and
I like which worked out better for a couple of
the other people in the group. But I was just like,
I cannot explain it, but I just have a really
terrible feeling about continuing. And I know the past, when
I've like ignored those usually things don't go well.
Speaker 5: So I don't know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I had that happen this summer, and that's
a big I can just trust your gut. If you're
driving and you're going somewhere and something just feels absolutely off,
there's nothing wrong with listening to that. There's a lot
wrong if don't and then something happens.
Speaker 2: Yeah, listen to our show enough. You can just tell
yourself one of those things would have happened. Yeah, I
mean intuition, there is something to that.
Speaker 3: I mean I believe in it. Yeah, it's yeah, your
body tells you more than people sometimes tune in for.
And I think it's a universe telling you something. Yes,
all the energy not right, and yeah, you just gotta
call it off.
Speaker 5: There's something too.
Speaker 4: Gut feelings, like we survived as long as we have
because you know, more often than not, listen to those
gut feelings. I'm a big advocate for, like, listen to
your gut what is it telling you, because it's probably right.
Speaker 3: Now, on a scale of say zero is no risk
in ten is super risky. When you're out on a
hike and you're looking for that perfect shot, what's your
scale of how risky you're willing to push it to
get that one shot or to get that clip or something.
Speaker 5: I don't I have a six year old at home.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm a I don't know. I personally play things
probably safer than a lot of people would, but I
just I'm like, Okay, if something happens to me, I'm
all she has.
Speaker 5: And so that's always in my mind.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I used to our group, we had different levels
of risk taking with the different guys, and I always try,
you know, I always was the one that kind of
tried to bring some of the guys back from doing
the riskier things. But yeah, then that's interesting. And I've
noticed you as I've gotten older, I've my level of
risk emily in take has gone down, dropping dramatically as
you get more tired too.
Speaker 5: I'm too tired to be injured right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, has anyone ever recognized you on the trail since
you've been blown up?
Speaker 3: Do you get spotted by people?
Speaker 4: So this is actually kind of funny, Okay, so yes,
it's happened a couple of times. I got recognized last
year in the Teetons. I was like, my truck had
broken down in the tee Tons and it was in
a shop getting repaired. To me and my daughter and
my dog all walked to this like park that was nearby,
and this guy is like running down the green lay
and also he goes, wait, you're tailor, And I was like, yes, so.
Speaker 3: That is that one of those things you don't do
to you on the trail.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well you on Instagram You're awesome. And I was like, okay,
keep it up and kept going.
Speaker 4: And then this summer this is why I'm laughing more so.
I I ended up. I ended up staying in Colorado
while summer instead of finishing my trip just for whatever reason,
again the gut failing thing I just fell off. I
ended up saying Colorado, which was a phenomenal decision. And
I worked at a koa to like gap some bills
a little bit, and I was working as a housekeeper.
So we went to the back back bathrooms one day
to like clean the bathrooms and I'm like in one
of the stalls scrubbing toilets because they're like individual And
this guy comes up to me and he's like, are
you tailor?
Speaker 5: And I'm like, in a koa yes, And he's like,
I follow you on Instagram. I recognize you from Georgia.
And I was like, this is a terrible time.
Speaker 3: It is so awesome.
Speaker 2: That's really cool though, it's like the real side of
content creation, Like and you're when you're up and coming,
guess what bills still have to get paid.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just me housekeeping at the king.
Speaker 3: That's so awesome. That's funny.
Speaker 2: That's a great story for when you when you're like
really huge, just you don't have to do that anymore.
It's very humbling. You know, your roots are I think
are important to keep you real.
Speaker 5: So I was working three jobs. Scrubby toilets is one
of them.
Speaker 2: So along your road of content creation, what are some
of the mistakes you made early on that you would
maybe like save me and Mike wanted to do this
full time content creation that is, what are some of
the things you did early on that you look back
and are like, you know, that was a bad move,
it would have saved me a lot of time, or
that would just like a path that didn't really amount
to anything.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess it's like, specifically for me, one of
them be not investing in like a mentor sooner because
I I just attempted to do stuff for about a
year and a half before I finally invested in like
a mentorship program and then I was like and that
was like literally within a month that was making money
and I.
Speaker 5: Was like, oh, why did I do this sooner? So
like I think investing.
Speaker 4: In yourself like resources like books of course, mentor or whatever,
it was a big game changer.
Speaker 5: Also, like I had another one. I can't think of
what it was now.
Speaker 2: Has there been moments where you've questions whether you keep
going down this path because of the hard work.
Speaker 4: Often I had that moment this summer when I hit
the brakes for a little bit. This summer with my business,
when I was doing the KOI stuff, I just like
I hit burnout. I went through a really bad breakup,
and it just like between those two things, I was
very I needed to do nothing for a while, and
I had some like family things going on, and it's
like the mix of everything was just a lot mentally,
and I was really contemplating the summer I was like
I should just im maybe I shouldn't do this anymore.
And in August or into August early September, I hosted
a group trip to Yellowstone and with a co host, Goldie.
She was awesome, but everyone who showed up there, who'd
been following me for years on Instagram, they were just like,
we're so grateful for what you do, Like it's inspiring,
it's amazing, and they're like you're exactly like what we
thought you'd be met you in person, and I was
just like, wow, that's like exactly what I needed to hear,
like doing something right and like I'm not fake. I
always wanted to be authentic. That was like a big, big,
big thing for me personally, and I always want people
to like like you know, you know you like them,
and they say, like, don't meet your heroes because they're
a different in person, and I was like, I don't
want to be that. I want someone to meet me
and like be exactly who they thought I was. And
like hearing that out loud was just likeness.
Speaker 5: That's something, right, That's good. Yeah, there's definite moments.
Speaker 4: There's definitely definitely moments from just like this would be
easier if I just got a regular job.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, being authentic is really I mean that
that's the key because there's so much, so many people
out there that are really just fake, and people can
sense when you're truly authentic. It comes through your photos
and your videos, and it's probably why your audience, you know,
loves what you're doing. They are following you because you're
you're probably the exact same person in person with if
you were with them as they view you in the videos,
which is pretty rare in social media. So many people
are just you know, putting on a show and they
don't actually mean it, and they're you know, they're a
different person when the camera's off.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I've met people who are like that, and then I've
met people who are like exactly like what you'd think,
and I after like the comparisons, it was like, yep,
I want to be the same person online and offline,
Like I don't want them to be questions or doubt.
Speaker 3: So, do you do anything in any type of routine
or on your trips that help you keep from burning out?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 4: So I start my mornings every day, I read my
Bible journal, I read a book. I start my mornings
like with quiet, and I always try to, like not
as I always do this, but I always try to
wake up before my daughter's up so I can have
like at least an hour and just like start my
day with like a little bit of silence because that
I'm actually an introvert.
Speaker 5: It's just kind of funny because I do a very extroverted.
Speaker 4: Business, but I'm gonna be pretty introverted, and I like
just like my quiet time.
Speaker 5: I think see that I eat very healthy as well,
which keeps me like kind of rooted.
Speaker 4: And when I feel like I'm eating online and my
brain is better, I'm sleeping better. I'm I can be
a little anal about my sleep at times, like I mean,
there are some trips where you're literally getting five hours
sleep and then if the weather's crapping out then I'm like, okay,
well we're prioritiz sleep so I can feel human and
not be ban dating it.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I just think like simple routines that like you home,
even do it home, just help me to stay room
did And when I neglect those, that's.
Speaker 5: When things don't come.
Speaker 3: Well, No, that's good.
Speaker 2: It sounds like you have like a really good routine
and schedule that you're keeping that kind of keeps you
on track, which is so important, whether like you said,
at home running your business out in the middle of nowhere.
That that's really good. How long have you been on
the road for in a given trip. I'm just curious,
like your longest stint.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like the longest stint in between, like coming home
to you know, wherever you were living at the time.
Speaker 4: I guess, Oh, that's kind of okay, that's kind of complicated.
I've technically been in like long term travel since July
of this year. Okay, so, but I have been back
home with my family and stuff a few times and
not period of time, so I guess currently in probably
about five months.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's a it's a true nomad. Yeah, that's really cool.
Speaker 3: Have you ever thought about upgrade? So, are you you're
still in your truck?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: If you you've upgraded, are you do you have an
RV or a camper? Nice?
Speaker 4: I have a little twenty foot travel trailer and I
have my own bathroom in the kitchen and there's separate beds,
so me and my daughter have space and that has
made the long term travel being.
Speaker 5: So much better.
Speaker 3: Your daughter is growing up, like the coolest childhood. That's awest.
I'm just thinking that, Like, man, I can you imagine
being a kid and just traveling around to every park
in the country and you just wake up and go
hiking every day. I mean, that sounds amazing.
Speaker 2: What do you hope she absorbs from seeing you live
this way and living with you this way?
Speaker 4: Ultimately, I hope she knows to pursue her dreams and
not to fall into like what other people tell her
she should. Whether that I mean, like, I support whatever
that is. Even if her dream was literally to grow
up and be a stay at home mom, If that
is her dream, I want her to do that. Her
dream is to be a world traveler, I want her
to do that. Her dream was to be a doctor,
I want her to do like I want to. I
hope that she is watching me chase dreams relentlessly, and I.
Speaker 5: Hope that she has same passion. I support whatever that is.
Speaker 2: That's really cool. Yeah, that's that's really neat. It seems
like you have a great relationship with her. I almost
don't want my kids to listen to this episode because
they'll be like, what the hell I.
Speaker 1: Have?
Speaker 2: It's like setting me off to school every day and
even normal job, and I could be out in the
mountains all.
Speaker 3: The time, right, No, that I mean she's a badass hiker.
When she gets older doing all this, you know, at
the age of six and younger, my six.
Speaker 5: Year olds can be like, oh, we went to Canada
and a whale touched our boat.
Speaker 3: Matter, I don't like, Yes, that's awesome, Yeah, that's what
even if you know that must drive you through the
hard days of when things aren't going right that at
least she's experiencing. To her, this is like the coolest
life ever.
Speaker 5: She's like, I've been here. Remember we went to Yellowstone
and we saw the bison, and here we saw this.
I'm just like, I love that. This is her childhood.
Speaker 2: So of all the places you've been, do you prefer
more flat desert or more mountainous areas?
Speaker 3: Mountains? So fast?
Speaker 4: If you're about a favorite place, it's Alaska. I've been
three times. I cannot get enough of it. I have
a goal in life to like go live there for
a full year and like experience all the seasons there
one day. But it's like it's so beautiful and like
I've been in every season at this point, and it's
just it's it's all immaculate and it's wild and like
you're out there, like you have to be really prepared.
They can't just be like, oh, I'm going to go
for a hike and like like there's a real risk
something could go super wrong because it's very untouched and
it's it's so beautiful there.
Speaker 3: That's fantastic.
Speaker 2: So where in Alaska if you could pick, you know,
if you're going to go there tomorrow for a year,
where would you live.
Speaker 5: That's so tough because there's like there's like different areas
that have like great features. So like Anchorage is like okay,
I wouldn't wants want to live in the city. I
don't want to be like outside of Anchorage because then
it's accessible to like Tanali, it's accessible to the coast.
But Seward, I think is probably one of the most
beautiful little place has ever been to. It's like feels
like a small town. In the summer, there's a lot
of like cruise ships that go through, but the rest
of the year it's like very dead. It's right on
the coast.
Speaker 4: They still get snow, but it's it's so beautiful and
like I can't it.
Speaker 5: It's so green. It rains a lot, but it's it's
really pretty.
Speaker 3: That's awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds like I want to go there. I
haven't been to alask yet. Yeah, I went. Yeah, I
went hiking in Tanali and I've been in the Seward.
She's exactly right. It's it's amazing.
Speaker 3: Denali, You're like, and that's not even the most remote
park in the state. You could go to Gates of
the Arctic, which is anywhere in the Alaskan trying that's yeah,
the Gates of the Arctic is way north of the Denali.
That one is a I don't have you ever you've
been to that park? Gates some Yeah, that one is
I think we I don't know if we've done a
case on that park. But it's like one of the
hardest parks to get to in the country, just because
of the remoteness, right, Yeah, I don't even think there's
a car that can a road that can get you there.
That's terrifying. If you get hurt, you're just done. You're done.
Don't get hurt, Yeah, just you can't have anything go
wrong in Tonali. Tanali is remote compared to other I
remember driving up to Tanali and maybe you experienced this too,
but the mountain as you, like, we were still really
far away and it was just it looked like just
like a spaceship coming out of the ground, like as
you were getting closer to it. It's wild.
Speaker 5: Only tall, giant mountains.
Speaker 3: And it starts off kind of small, and yeah, it's
just like, holy cow, I feel loft out of this
club now, I'm so sad. Someday, someday I'll go.
Speaker 1: You can.
Speaker 3: Honestly, I think you would need a year to really
explore Alaska properly. It's that minimum. It's so big.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's one place that surprised you in a good
way that you've been to, like that you didn't expect
much and then you got there, like, oh my gosh,
this is like a hidden gem.
Speaker 4: Like I have two answers, so I'd either say to Fino, Canada,
which I got so much slack to this, but I
posted this reel on Instagram. It was like the sleepiest
town you haven't heard of because they averaged less than
a million visitors a year. It's like a very small
little town on Vancouver Island.
Speaker 5: People were like visitors a year, but it's like super cool.
Speaker 4: You can see them like Vancouver Island first of all,
Assive Island takes three hours to drive the lidth of it,
like coast like you know, Sea Short Sea Line, the
Sea Short, Sea Short.
Speaker 5: And it's in it's like near the northern.
Speaker 4: Northern part of the island and you can see the
mountains on one side and then you have the ocean
on the one side, and they have like coastal wolves
and brown bears and like tide pool and like all
this stuff. So like I feel like you can experience
all kinds of different adventures and you wouldn't expect it.
And if you go on YouTube, like a.
Speaker 5: Lot of.
Speaker 3: You said yeah, okay, and like you like a lot.
Speaker 4: Of the videos I watched online were like here's a
little coastal town. Here's like here's like some boardwalk trails
you can go do, and the like Pacific I think
it's Pacific Rim National Parks right there and like but
it's like very coastal, very beachy. And I left out
the part where there's like hot springs and like folk
tours and you go to these islands and you see
all kinds of wildlife and I was just I was
so surprised. I was there for a week and I
was like, this is not enough time. I need more
time here. And honestly, Alaska, like I kind of I had.
I had decent expectations for it, but I didn't expect
to like connect with it so much. And I think
it became more personal my first trip there where I
won the trip, I experienced a lot of like personal
healing just through like being out in the wild, seeing
Gnali and like all the experiences, and every every time
I've gone back, it's just been like like a literal
life altering moment. But I don't know if that's just me,
but I just was like, why don't we more people
visit Elasta?
Speaker 5: It's it's amazing.
Speaker 3: That's good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've I've been to Vancouver Island. I've not gone
that far. I went just down into Victoria for like
a day and hiked some of the parks around there
on my way south.
Speaker 4: But is also known as like a food hub. If
you like good food, go with like a big budget
and just eat your way through.
Speaker 3: No hiking, just eat. Yeah, are you being paid by Tafino?
You know, let's go. What is so okay? So that
was on the positives. I'm curious what was a place
that there's got to be at least one place you've
hiked where you're like, I just don't want to go
back here again. Okay, No, it's okay. The t Tons
I'm so underwhelmed.
Speaker 5: I've been there like three times and I'm just like,
I don't I don't get the hike. I don't understand.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna agree with you on this. And I
went there once. Yeah, and here's why beautiful. But of
all the other mountains I've seen, they're they're they're pretty average. Yeah,
and this is this. Yeah, this it feels dumb saying
it because there's people haven't been there, but then there's
really nothing else to do outside of looking at them,
kinda hiking them, hiking them. There's not great hikes. They're
like okay. And then when we went, we ended up
like camping like a couple of nights and we went
into town and like that was the most fun. Yeah,
in like the small town over there.
Speaker 3: I think it's one of those Yeah, it's one of
those parks where hike at once. Check it off the list.
Like when I think of parks I've been to, I've
been the te Tons it's not on my list of
a park I'm gonna waste time going back to. Like
I would go back to Zion again. I would go
back to Mount Rainier again, Canyon Lands again, maybe do
it and not almost die. Yeah, there's so many other
parks I would probably go back to over the tee Tons.
I enjoyed our trip there, but it's kind of I've
seen it. Yeah, yeah, sorry, it's kind of like if
you don't want to go Yellowstone because that's super packed,
to go to the Tetons because I remember Tee Tons
being a lot less crowded. Yeah, that's because because it
kind of sucks.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it kidding.
Speaker 4: Also Yellowstone is a little underwhelming too, But I go
back to like wildlife at this point, Like I'm just
like everything else is like okay, but I love going
there for like wildlike photography.
Speaker 3: I would say the most underwhelmed I've ever been in,
like a national park type place was Mount Rushmore.
Speaker 2: Mount Rushmore, not New River Gorge National Okay, yeah, that
was the worst one I've ever been to.
Speaker 3: No offense, if anyone lives.
Speaker 2: Mike and I we we did one of our trips
like it's the newest national park. We should go down
there for the show and like kind of close to
where we live, yeah, and we were gonna shoot content
there and I think we spent more time in the
towns yeah, than on trails, because we hiked like one
of the five trails they had. Yeah, and it was like,
come look at this bridge.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. It was a different kind of experience, yeah,
not like very remote. Yeah, I mean it it's another
one of those parks. I'm glad we visited. I don't
think i'd go back to hike, but packed them out Rushmore.
I'd only seen it in pictures and I thought the
carvings were huge, and when we went there, I was like, wow,
it's a lot smaller than I thought it would be.
Like you're looking, I'm like, it's still impressive. They carved
these faces on the mountain, but I'm like, it just
seems really small. I pictured in my head just huge. Yeah. Yeah,
and it was tiny when I saw it. So that's
my like underwhelming.
Speaker 4: My dad told me it was underwhelming, and I just
bypassed it and went to Custer. Custer was really cool, yeah, stop,
but I just was like, yeah, okay, I'll think you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Black Hills was kind of yeah, we went there.
I like how this is just turned into what are
the crappy players?
Speaker 5: Where do you go?
Speaker 3: Yeah? And one of the bad Lands. How often do
you hike in? Yeah? You like bad lands?
Speaker 2: So I didn't like we remember we when we had
we got kicked out of uh Montana for bear danger.
So supended earlier, not like forced out. No, they we're
we're at a campsite and they we were there for
two nights and like, what are you boys doing here?
They closed on all the campsites for bear danger, so
we had to spend the night with the rangers, thinking
we were gonna get mauled all night. So we had
to leave early. And we're like, oh, let's go camping
bad Lands. And we drove to bad Lands, did the loop,
and we're like, let's just go home. We didn't even stay.
We just didn't like, I think we just saw all
of it.
Speaker 3: We can leave now. Yeah, yeah, bad lands. But no,
I'm trying. What was I I lost my train of thought.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, No, it's okay. We're crapping on national parties. No, oh,
I know what I was asked. One of the things
we never really got into a lot. But after doing
our show, I've realized there's tons of amazing hikes in
national forests out west that we never even really considered
when we went hiking. Have you done a lot of
content creation in national forests just because there's less people?
There's really there's no entrance feed anything to get in.
You can just go and hike, and it's something we
kind of completely neglected, and some of them look really cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I would say I have.
Speaker 4: In Colorado, like more like the off road trails everywhere.
I've done a lot in Colorado and that was super
duper fun. I say I've done a lot, but like
I have stuff that's on my list, like you, when
I go to Idaho, I'm going to be spending a
ton of time in national forests.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: No, I would probably say just Colorado, but there's definitely
a lot of like hidden gems that I feel like
you're slept on because people are like, oh, let's go
to the national park, yeah, you know wherever, versus like
exploring stuff.
Speaker 5: That's outside of it.
Speaker 3: And I would almost recommend people because I know national
parks now are getting so crowded. A lot of the
popular ones that if you're finding the parks that are
too busy, Like check out the National forest right next door,
because a lot of times they'll be pretty pretty empty
and there's tons of miles and miles of hiking. There's
not really no amenities. It's like a national park has.
But if you like just open wilderness, a lot of
national forests could be a good route.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I agree.
Speaker 4: I mean when I'm in southern Utah here soon, I'm
planning to like hit a lot of like national forest stuff.
I've already been doing lots of research.
Speaker 2: Excited, all right, I have one more and then we
can let you go. So we're not taking all your
time up. But right now, I mean, you're you're I
view us your you're still coming up, You're you're kind
of catching your stride. This is just my opinion after
watching your content, what does success look like to you
now compared to what it.
Speaker 3: Used to be.
Speaker 4: I think when I started content, it looked like like
you know what people show on Instagram where it's like,
you know, like it's some one of those things where
like you have an idea of what it is and
over time it becomes personal. So I feel like I
had this idea of like, oh, it's like flashy trips
and like everything's a highlight reel, and now that I'm
working hard, I'm like, honestly, my idea of success is
like making enough to support me and my daughter doing
this alone, getting to work with like dream brands, getting.
Speaker 5: To meet people like I. I for an introvert.
Speaker 4: I'm extremely community minded, and like I have host group
trips in hopes of just like connecting people and bringing
them together in beautiful places, because as someone who was
nervous traveler, I would have appreciated having like group trips
that were accessible to me, not these like four thousand
dollars let's go to Iceland trips, like something that I
was realistic and felt obtainable.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Actually, my idea of success now is just to make
enough to support and ultimately to have these connections and
to create a community of people who are like minded
and that's who they don't feel alone either.
Speaker 3: That's great.
Speaker 2: And also there's a new term for people I'll say
like us, because I'm the same way and people are
always shocked.
Speaker 3: I'm very introverted.
Speaker 2: Like if you put me in a networking event, I'm
the guy that's hiding in the corner, like I have
to be around friends and then I explode.
Speaker 3: At a wedding.
Speaker 2: You're the guy in the corner not dancing unless I'm
around people I'm comfortable with, and I will. I'm an extrovert.
It's called ambivert, so you're it depends when you're comfortable.
You're more extroverted. When you're not, you're just completely in
inward think interesting.
Speaker 3: So that's uh. I've learned that. My daughter told me
that I've become more introverted as I've gotten older, as
you become grumpier. Yeah, as I get grumpier, No, Tay.
Speaker 2: I think that's great. I love your content. That's why
we reached out to have you on the show. I
hope that we can help you along that journey. Just
all of our listeners come and follow you, tell us,
tell everybody where they can find your stuff.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, it's not on Instagram and YouTube and TikTok if.
I am pay wanders across the board. Also, I host
group trips, so you can find details about that on Instagram.
I currently have one live. I thought the registration closed.
Speaker 4: Apparently it's eight hundred dollars. We can go to Iceland
in March for eight hundred US dollars and it's not
a hoax. It's a really great trip.
Speaker 5: Actually.
Speaker 3: So is that like, is that you just got to
fly there but the whole trip is eight hundred bucks?
Or is that that include flights?
Speaker 4: Oh? No, it does not include flights, Okay, Like once
you get there, it includes like the guide service, transportation,
all activities, and where we'd stay, which is like a hostel,
but like where we stayed was like super clean.
Speaker 5: It was a really nice fossil.
Speaker 2: That sounds like, yeah, that is actually awesome. Yes, So
go check out Taywanders. Go subscribe to all of her things,
sign up to all the stuff, go on all the
trip the trip.
Speaker 3: Yes, go on all the trip. If you're one of
those people that dreams about hiking, but you don't think
you can do the planning, sign up for a trip
like that. Yes, all you have to do is buy
the air ticket, airfare, and show up and they'll take
care of everything else. Yes, it's it's actually quite perfect. Yeah,
that's I mean, one of the barriers for hiking I
hear from people is the planning that goes into it.
They're getting scared that they're gonna plan something wrong or
miss something. So like a trip like that is like
a perfect way for someone who's getting new into the
you know, hiking and backpacking to get their feet wet
without kind of the exposure and risk of planning it themselves.
Speaker 5: It's just totally fair.
Speaker 4: It can be very terrifying, especially when you're like, oh,
I'm gonna go to ice Lend and like you start
trying to plan a trip and like everything's in some
of the language. You're like, well, it's like this trip
the great way to like dip my toes in. Like
I could now confidently plan a trip, but I wouldn't
have been able to plan the trip there, like prior
to this group trip, Like personally, I was like, this
is very overwhelming.
Speaker 3: That that is so awesome.
Speaker 2: I can't wait to see in our future we can
cross paths and all do a trip together something as
a group.
Speaker 3: That'd be a lot of fun. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, as we become more and more popular of a podcast,
maybe we'll get paid full time to do this, and
you're getting paid full time, we'll like go, I'll do
a huge combined group trip.
Speaker 3: We'll partner with the host from National Parak after Derek,
they do like seven trips a year. Yes, so yes,
I love.
Speaker 4: That's one of my other favorite podcasts. Guys and m
Pad and Park Prenters like three favorites.
Speaker 3: Perfect, We'll do some sort of major group thing for
like one hundred people. Sounds yeah awesome.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you very much for taking the time today.
It was awesome hearing your story. I hope it inspires
people that listen, and I hope we can give you
a huge bump and followers and help you along your
journey of being just doing this as your career so
you never have to clean toilets at a koa ever again.
Speaker 5: That's the goal. Yeah, thank you, thanks for having me.
This has been great. I'm glad it worked out all right.